From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 01:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14123BEFC; Mon, 1 May 2006 01:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:18:58 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Translator vs. ReCycle Re: aiff to REX? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44556202.5030101@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: <4Ze2eD.A.2kC.LIWVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:19:07 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT rdwiv wrote: >It's not free but www.chickensys.com "Translator" will convert them >http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/specialfeatures/slicefiles.html > I have a client that wants material in REX format and I considered Translator, but when researching was scared off by Translator's note that "Recycle 1 files can be written, but they cannot be stereo (although two Recycle 1 files can be written like this)" and the problem that it cannot deal properly (ie save all the properties of) with REX2 files. A friend who uses Translator on both PC and Mac told me that the Mac version doesn't work as well as the PC version. I considered the above and in the end I had to spring for ReCycle itself. Nothing against Translator for translating other things, but it didn't inspire confidence in me re: converting to Rex and REX2. Andrew > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mark sottilaro" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: aiff to REX? > > > > >>Mac OS 9 or 10 >> >>--- Andrew Duke wrote: >> >> >> >>>mark sottilaro wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have a ton of drum loop samples I've purchased >>>> >>>> >>>over >>> >>> >>>>the years and now I'm finding with Stylus RMX it >>>> >>>> >>>will >>> >>> >>>>accept REX files made in Recycle. It seems kind of >>>>silly to get the entire program when all I actually >>>>want is to convert a few cds of loops over. Anyone >>>>know of another app that will do the conversion? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Mark: >>>Are you using Windows or Mac OS? >>>Andrew >>> >>>-- >>>Andrew Duke >>>scoring/sound design/source >>>http://andrew-duke.com >>>http://myspace.com/andrewduke >>>Cognition Audioworks label >>>[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] >>>http://cognitionaudioworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT rdwiv wrote:
It's not free but www.chickensys.com "Translator" will convert them
http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/specialfeatures/slicefiles.html
I have a client that wants material in REX format and I considered Translator, but when researching was scared off by Translator's note that "Recycle 1 files can be written, but they cannot be stereo (although two Recycle 1 files can be written like this)" and the problem that it cannot deal properly (ie save all the properties of) with REX2 files.   A friend who uses Translator on both PC and Mac told me that the Mac version doesn't work as well as the PC version.  
I considered the above and in the end I had to spring for ReCycle itself. Nothing against Translator for translating other things, but it didn't inspire confidence in me re: converting to Rex and REX2.

Andrew


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: aiff to REX?


  
Mac OS 9 or 10

--- Andrew Duke <andrew@andrew-duke.com> wrote:

    
mark sottilaro wrote:

      
I have a ton of drum loop samples I've purchased
        
over
      
the years and now I'm finding with Stylus RMX it
        
will
      
accept REX files made in Recycle.  It seems kind of
silly to get the entire program when all I actually
want is to convert a few cds of loops over.  Anyone
know of another app that will do the conversion?

Mark

        
Mark:
Are you using Windows or Mac OS?
Andrew

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--Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 06:57:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168583BEDE; Mon, 1 May 2006 06:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents Arms Full of Sound Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 02:57:34 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c66cec$86470200$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 06:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Just wanted to start with a quick note to say that it was great to see so many of you come out to experience Robert Rich's wonderful performance this past weekend at the Church of the Holy Trinity and to report that the show was a huge sonic success. The PiNG wants to thank all those who pulled together and worked very hard over the past few weeks to make this event happen, thanks also go to Robert for including us in his tour and for treating us to such a great evening of sound and visuals and of course thanks to all of you who came out . . . you're encouraging us to do more things of this nature. Also wanted to note that school's almost out which means that our old friend Luna Tek will be back out on occasion reviewing PiNG happenings. In fact, Luna was spotted this past weekend and you can read her impressions of the Robert Rich show here: http://www.obliquepoetries.blogspot.com/ and now back to the weekly PiNG news . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday May 2nd . Arms Full of Sound Journey to Ambientia 2: Seasons . II . S P R I N G Set one - Arrival . Set two - The Synthitone Journey to Ambientia 2: Seasons, is the year long project from Arms Full of Sound that will take you back to that special place, deep within the ambient mind. This past February we started to return to the powerful place called Ambientia in search of the Traveler who is trapped in this timeless world of music. The seasons change one into another and back again. Our journey continues from where it was left. All must end where it began. Arms Full of Sound is an Ambient-Electronic music performance formed 4 years ago by Paul Needler. Using a large compliment of analog, digital and software synthesizers, Arms Full of Sound produces live blends of ambient music, usually all improvisational. http://www.armsfullofsound.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . dac crowell / kurt doles by Dac Crowell and Kurt Doles This week's we give a taste of some of the recorded works of Rankin IL electronic artist Dac Crowell who will be coming up in a few week's for his first visit to the PiNG. This ambient CD from the now defunct Suilven Recordings label features some of Dac's recordings (both solo and with Kurt Doles) from 1994 -1997 which fills the sonic space whilst allowing the listener to focus on other activities. Don't miss Dac on May 23rd when he brings his modular and other electronic toys up to plug into the PiNG. http://www.magnatune.com/artists/dac_crowell Between Sets CD . Passage by dreamSTATE Tonight we feature the second CD release by dreamSTATE. As with their first CD "Between Realities", this recording is also from a multi media installation, but whereas the first CD was a live recording of the "waveforms" a mounted installation, this one features the original studio recordings used for the Moon Sea Crossing installation. A minor bit of trivia, there are actually two different versions of the Passage CD. The first version was a limited edition of 50 copies which were produced specifically for the installation when it was mounted at the historic Gaol in Goderich and is representative of how the music was mounted in the space. The second version was released after the installation and is a slight reworking which has a reprise of "Watershed" to make the entire CD a more rewarding and complete listening experience. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.dreamstate.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday May 9th . RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 A special presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art featuring Debashis Sinha with Ben Grossman and Kathy Kennedy As part of the 5th annual Deep Wireless festival, a month long celebration of radio art presented by New Adventures in Sound Art, this installment of RADiO iN AMBiENCE begins with Indian percussionist and sound artist Debashis Sinha with world musician Ben Grossman in a set that uses the radio as a sound source and mixed with various percussion instruments to create ambient music. Also, Deep Wireless artist in residence Kathy Kennedy will perform a solo set of electroacoustic vocal compositions. New Adventures in Sound Art: http://www.naisa.ca Deep Wireless: http://www.naisa.ca/deepwireless Debashis Sinha: http://www.debsinha.com Ben Grossman: http://www.macrophone.org Kathy Kennedy: http://www.kathykennedy.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews dreamSTATE . "Passage" Fans of Toronto electronic artists dreamSTATE will no doubt be thrilled by the release of "Passage", a series of soundscapes specially created for an installation held in Goderich, Ontario. Inspired by the poetry of Lynn Harrigan from her collection Moon Sea Crossing, "Passage" tells the story of Aina, an Irish immigrant who settles in Huron District during the 1840s. Her life during this time is filled with hardship and turmoil, ultimately resulting in a mental breakdown which leads to her being confined in the Huron District Gaol where her mental state further declines. Through a masterful creation of sound and environment, dreamSTATE is able to draw the listener into Aina's plight and brings her story to life in a powerful and haunting manner. Meant to capture Aina's journey across the sea from Ireland to Canada, "Crossing" begins the album with slowly evolving oblique movement, environments and atmospheres coming into shape as tones become more pronounced and defined. As the track progresses, movement becomes displacement as calm and tranquil passages give way to darker and more foreboding tones. When listening to this track one can't help but feel a passing from the safety of the known into the darkness of unsurety as Aina faces a new land and a new life. Track two, "Clearing", uses more easily defined melodies and structure to tell its tale. The feeling of industry and hard labor as Aina and her family work to create a home for themselves is captured in the repeated phrases of the track, played counter to field recordings taken from the site of Aina and Thomas' farm. A sense of form gives a sense of safety here, a sense of connection to the earth, to the land, but an underlying dark drone suggests there are issues already at hand which will culminate in Aina's decline. "Watershed" represents a turning point in the story, bringing to life a moment that ultimately leads to Aina's descent into darkness. Beginning with a calm and tranquil flow of pads and tones, the track moves from a peaceful security into a darker and more ominous tone, leading into track four, "Fall", which continues the sense of descent, sounds capturing the change of seasons, the slow loss of warmth and safety that leads into the winter months. Tones roil around each other, spinning and colliding through the sound field, as if to suggest the confusion of thought and the battling emotions that have come with her breakdown. As the piece progresses, deeper drones open up, at first only subtly but slowly gaining strength, suggesting the abyss into which Aina is staring. "Captive" captures the cold and hopeless feeling of Aina's stay in gaol, where the demons that haunt her mind are made physical through the horrible conditions she is made to bear. Bleak and desperate drones pass throughout the track, metallic sounds rising and falling, ebbing and flowing, slowly circling to match her descent. "Captive" manages to convey the sense of desperation and hopelessness Aina feels at this point, giving frightful sound to her torment. Track six, "Stone and Sky" brings some sense of hope and light to Aina's plight. Inspired by the courtyard of the gaol in which she finds herself, the track captures the freedom and light that Aina's heart aspires to. Unfortunately this hope is short-lived as it leads into "Gyre", a haunting piece where strangled tones and constrained notes struggle to be heard above a metallic drone slowly snaking from ear to ear of the listener. Bleak and without hope, this track captures the darkness that has washed over Aina's mind. And then it is done. "Watershed Reprise" finds Aina's return to her home, utilizing a return to the same calm and tranquil pads and tones to suggest a reunion with her family and the safety of clear thought. The clouds have lifted and she finds herself free once again, in body and in spirit. As brilliant as it is emotional, "Passage" is a beautiful work by one of Toronto's premier electronic acts. Many lesser talents would find themselves lost in such a dark subject matter, but dreamSTATE are able to convey the scene, the situation and the emotions felt in a succinct and powerful way. A testimony to their sophistication and artistry, "Passage" is sure to become a classic of the genre. rik - ping things "Passage" is available now at ping things! Visit http://www.pingthings.com/DSpassage.htm to hear mp3 samples and to buy a copy! And don't forget to tune in to ping things radio Sunday and Wednesdays between 9pm and 12am at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment This week we'll have tracks from Passage along with material from Robert Rich and this week's PiNG performer Arms Full of Sound, not to mention tons of other great stuff from the ping things catalogue! http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday May 3rd . Deep Wireless presents YOUR EAR CABARET @ the Drake Underground Actors, poets, musicians and DJs bring a feast for the ears: Anna Friz, John Oswald, Sook-Yin Lee, Christine Duncan, Paul Dutton + The Bat by Impatient Theatre, Tell by Soraya Peerbaye & Sprawl by Threshold Theatre. In Your Ear will be recorded for later broadcast for CBC radio and will also be broadcast live-to-air from the Drake on CKLN 88.1-FM. the Drake Underground . 1150 Queen Street West, doors open 7:30pm . show starts at 8:00pm . $15/$12 * Wednesday May 3rd . Shoplifting, Genders, Nervous Sleepers & Sounds of North AMerican Adult Bookstores 9pm . Sneeky Dee's . $7 * Thursday, May 4th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East * Friday, May 5th . Earshot #18: Kafka Fragmente A presentation of Hungarian master Gyorgy Kurtag's beautiful and intimate composition based on of the writings of Franz Kafka. Performed by soprano Kristin Mueller-Heaslip and violinist Christian Robinson. In German with English titles. 8:00 . Gallery 1313, 1313 Queen St. W. $15 / $10 (seniors/members/artsworkers) / $5 (students) * Sunday, May 7th . ISAACS SEEN AND HEARD "The Liberties" (Travels I) of Susan Howe Introduction and parts 1 & 2 of the pOemPERA of Udo Kasemets, visuals: Pierre Tremblay, Susan Layard, singer/speaker, Udo Kasemets, pianist, Paul Dutton, speaker. 3 p.m . at Victoria University, Emmanuel College 75 Queens Park . Free admission * Sunday, May 7th . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 4:00- Skinny Vinny-(from Boston) Josh Jefferson- Sax & Toy Flute Andrew Eisenberg- Percussion 5:00- Mike and Mike(from hell) Mike hansen-turntables Michael Keith-acoustic guitar 6:00- Mike and Mike and Vinny - a collision of the first 2 groups 4-7PM . The NOW Lounge - 189 Church St. . $6 * Sunday, May 7th . Soundstreams Canada presents CABARET + featuring two world premieres by Brian Current (Canada) and the sensational Frankenstein!! by HK Gruber (Austria) 8 PM . Glenn Gould Studio . $25 adult / $20 senior/ $5 student * May 1st - 31st . New Adventures In Sound Art Presents: Deep Wireless Festival. a month-long celebration of radio and transmission art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can experience performances, sound installations, new commissions, special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Conference Pass $150/130 (+$20 discount - early bird registration) Early bird registration deadline is April 14th, day rates available. May 1st - 31st . The Drake Hotel (1150 Queen St W) & Ryerson University Student Campus Centre (55 Gould St) more info at http://www.deepwireless.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 08:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05DC83BEE1; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SPT4zmHViO5wSe9EDmSTFKLXxnpHVhqO7j1DG+Gxi0XVrff/UhaOUkFpPz5otiksVcrksLPPYKKUEgJ0bzAg1UDQTVhvYQi7+QrvqMKA+WOk65KTaKrNiAFo6s/UI+AQUudnnUBGUj3mFz42eN8iAGmLYLyUVHCIqA/R9CgsPqY= In-Reply-To: <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: aiff to REX? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:08:48 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2006, at 02.02, rdwiv wrote: > It's not free but www.chickensys.com "Translator" will convert them > http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/ > specialfeatures/slicefiles.html It seems Translator will work for Mark's RMX needs, at least for mono loops. RMX does indeed support REX1 files, as the Spectrasonics Sage Convertor ReadMe file says: "The following types of Propellerheads ReCycle files are supported: REX1/REX2/.RCY". But personally I'm not convinced about Translator from reading that page, because I noticed they had some facts wrong regarding Ableton Live and who knows about the accuracy of rest of the text? I guess anyone can find out by visiting some of the links given on the page http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 08:48:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF07C3BED2; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4455CB6A.2050401@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:48:42 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: aiff to REX? References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > But personally I'm not convinced about Translator from reading that > page, because I noticed they had some facts wrong regarding Ableton Live -unless of course they can make a rex file from a wavefile and .asd? that would be awesome. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 09:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6783BEEC; Mon, 1 May 2006 09:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hXzhcbjH1LyHv9VQdon4dcOA3lbujGU9sZqRcPR8U8IZqNPJkpdikLWOm1QeAbCeJIORhYXxUAUq6DfAbXkz96cexNTBhI/ZIYAzaHpvkLPYG4yxtDJkbrQJIEdHn8ZiS016ap388ZYP77dRAEZFO2yJlPz6DtYww53AqPqxe2E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4455CB6A.2050401@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> <4455CB6A.2050401@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <88F729C2-AE38-4B19-BDB1-885E4F1504A7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: aiff to REX? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:42:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:42:43 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> But personally I'm not convinced about Translator from reading >> that page, because I noticed they had some facts wrong regarding >> Ableton Live On 1 maj 2006, at 10.48, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > -unless of course they can make a rex file from a wavefile > and .asd? that would be awesome. Yes, indeed! Maybe Translator does read Live's .asd file and chops up the wave file accordingly to create a REX file? This also makes sense with what Andrew Duke has heard: that Translator works better if used in the Windows version. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 13:24:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7A93BEF1; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.42.247.193] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:24:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 13:24:12.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[897FAF40:01C66D22] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:24:14 +0000 (UTC)

Are you using the epd footcontroller?  If so, I found that the switches do go over time and stop working.  I recently replaced all of mine and it solved the issues I had that were similar to yours.

 

Dave

From:  David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  EDP "Mute" button issues
Date:  Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:57:29 -0700


I took my EDP out into the world today to play a gig, and it worked fine for the most part.  But a couple of times during the performance, I hit the MUTE button and the music didn't stop.

Any theories as to why this would have happened?

Is there any programmable condition in which that button stops doing what it's intended to do?




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David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://playback.trufun.com

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 15:58:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D4323BED2; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:50:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) At 9:24 AM -0400 5/1/06, Dave Lauzon wrote: >Are you using the epd footcontroller? If so, I found that the >switches do go over time and stop working. I recently replaced all >of mine and it solved the issues I had that were similar to yours. My unit is very new, and the controller has had only a couple hundred strokes on all the buttons combines. But I suppose a button could go intermittent on me. Where doe sone go to get those switches replaced? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:15:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4B03BEF8; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.42.247.193] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:15:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 16:15:37.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BD3D9D0:01C66D3A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC)

If you had the switches, you could probably do it yourself.  If you open up the footcontroller you'll notice that there is not a lot going on in there.  That is strange that it went right away, is it still under warranty?  If you bought it locally I'm sure the place you bought it would be able to fix you up on the spot.

I forgot to ask, does the mute button on the front panel work?  If so, I'm sure its a switch.

 

Dave

From:  David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  RE: EDP "Mute" button issues
Date:  Mon, 1 May 2006 08:50:35 -0700
At 9:24 AM -0400 5/1/06, Dave Lauzon wrote:
>Are you using the epd footcontroller?  If so, I found that the
>switches do go over time and stop working.  I recently replaced all
>of mine and it solved the issues I had that were similar to yours.

My unit is very new, and the controller has had only a couple hundred strokes on all the buttons combines.  But I suppose a button could go intermittent on me.

Where doe sone go to get those switches replaced?



--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://playback.trufun.com

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0169B3BF04; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:27:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZtOoQxybMNt2zOS1qTnoT4AWOkwgAAJf4A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060501162735.FLNU27919.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Well, there's this: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200402/msg00317.html Text follows: . From: Travis Hartnett . Subject: Re: EDP foot controller: touch buttons . Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:37:30 -0800 I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of compressed air once you get home. The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. TravisH I'm Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA2C3BF0C; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:27:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4joXTC.A.G2B.DdjVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:28:51 +0000 (UTC) At 12:15 PM -0400 5/1/06, Dave Lauzon wrote: >If you had the switches, you could probably do it yourself. If you >open up the footcontroller you'll notice that there is not a lot >going on in there. That is strange that it went right away, is it >still under warranty? If you bought it locally I'm sure the place >you bought it would be able to fix you up on the spot. Good point. I'll check with my dealer. >I forgot to ask, does the mute button on the front panel work? If >so, I'm sure its a switch. I'll have to try that. Thanks! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:33:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0CF73BF13; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060501162735.FLNU27919.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060501162735.FLNU27919.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:32:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4aCZuD.A.TCC.rhjVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) At 9:27 AM -0700 5/1/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such >as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If >after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black >particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean >everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be >standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you >may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of >compressed air once you get home. This unit hasn't been anywhere near any dirt - yet. >The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, >such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force >required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. Uh-oh. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 17:06:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703BA3BEF7; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Mouser switch replacements (was RE: EDP "Mute" button issue) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:06:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZtPQt/NT3ZKN5iTzm7Omj2Hi/JVgABEDvg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060501170621.CXBM24290.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <_hQ2DB.A.D5D.PAkVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC) http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=echople x%3Bmouser&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineo nly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifi elds=case I think . . . G -----Original Message----- From: David Gans [mailto:david@trufun.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues At 9:27 AM -0700 5/1/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such >as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If >after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black >particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean >everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be >standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you >may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of >compressed air once you get home. This unit hasn't been anywhere near any dirt - yet. >The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, >such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force >required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. Uh-oh. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 17:08:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF7E3BEFC; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZtPQt/NT3ZKN5iTzm7Omj2Hi/JVgABMSig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060501170844.COBC25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=2184 17&e_categoryid=142&e_pcodeid=01016 I feel like Richard Zvonar. Enjoy G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 17:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29CDA3BF06; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060501170844.COBC25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060501170844.COBC25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:29:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:33:50 +0000 (UTC) At 10:08 AM -0700 5/1/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=218417&e_categoryid=142&e_pcodeid=01016 Thanks again! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 18:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E71803BEFC; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445657D2.8090906@knology.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:47:46 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FA: I'm selling my 'Rang. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8HctKB.A.Z5.1hlVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) It's in excellent condition. ebay #7411458696 http://cgi.ebay.com/Boomerang-V2-Phase-Sampler-Excellent-Deal_W0QQitemZ7411458696QQcategoryZ101974QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem fyi. -- dm www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor -------------------- www.getcoffeecup.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 21:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D513BEDA; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Looperlative LP1 testers Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:14:32 +0200 Message-ID: <002901c66d64$41019de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) I've been unsubscribed for some time due to mailbox overflow, but I've = been following the discussion through the archive. There are two topics (second topic in a separate post): I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of = the most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or = musical gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined? Thanks Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 21:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123633BEDE; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: KLF The Manual Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:33:09 +0200 Message-ID: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5iYFd.A.ZhF.e6nVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:33:19 +0000 (UTC) I've searched the LD archive and couldn't find a reference to the book by the KLF (Bill Drummond, Jimmy Cauty) "The Manual" (HOW TO HAVE A NUMBER ONE THE EASY WAY). There's an online version of it: http://www.klf.de/online/books/bytheklf/manual.htm Now I don't know if any looper is interested in placing a number one in the UK charts. Some things are specific to the late 80s, some of the people involved have since deceased (Scott Piering, John Peel), nevertheless it's an interesting read. Some quotes: > Michael Jackson [...] CAN come up with the bass lines. > "Billy Jean" was the turning point in Jackson's > career. That song, on his own admission, took him into the mega > stratospheres where his myth now reigns. The fact is, "Billy Jean" > would be nothing without that lynx-on-the-prowl bass line; but he > wasn't the first to use it. It had been featured in numerous dance > tracks by various artists before him. Jackson and Quincy must have > been hanging out around the pool table in their air conditioned dimmed > light atmosphere, L.A. studio one evening wondering: "What next?" when > one of them came up with the idea of using the old lynx- on-the-prowl > standby. This one motivated my posting about it to LD: > Serious groove merchants hate it when a song has a dynamite bass line > for the verse and then when the chorus comes the chords change, > dragging the bass away from its "bad self" into having to follow > those limp wristed chords. For them the whole movement of the > song is destroyed for the sake of some nursery rhyme element > they would rather see dumped. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 02:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 284953BEC5; Tue, 2 May 2006 02:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> References: <000601c665ce$afe24db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: CODA -- TO A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:36:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! That's a great quote, by the way. I really like it, and may try to=20 incorporate it into something sometime. Do you know for sure it is "original" with Hellmut=20= Hattler? If I quote him I would want to make sure I was correctly attributing it. As for me, my fingers healed **enough** to play adequately (I think). I=20= had to perform with plastic bandages on my fingertips on Friday (and still tore open a=20= blister or two). I performed again on Saturday and did so with bare fingers. For a=20 variety of reasons I did not feel my Friday duo performance with trumpeter Jeff Kaiser was=20= "up to snuff" (although Jeff played extra-wonderfully to cover for me) but I think=20 the Saturday trio spot with Jeff and master percussionist/showman/creative-whacko Rick=20 Walker went quite well -- and seemed to be positively received too. I was happy=20 with it at least. Krispen Hartung MUST be commended for putting on a fabulous and=20 extremely well organized show. He also gave a Saturday afternoon performance which was=20= superb. Highlights (for me at least) were Jeff Rice and Ted Apel's set of=20 capturing and processing signals from cosmic rays. Rick Walker's solo set. Lumper Splitter, and=20= (of course) Krispen's own set with drummer Jared Hallock. It was a fun time and the venue and=20= staff were all terrific. It was great to hear and perform with Jeff again. He=20 always kicks my behind. Anywho, I am back from Boise, Idaho, safe and sound to my wife, kids=20 and little home in Medford, Oregon . . . all in one piece. Next weekend I travel to=20 Ventura, California to play in the annual Ventura New Music Festival (VNMF) that is organized=20= (again) by none other than Jeff Kaiser. It's always a pleasure to play in my old home=20 town (I lived there, and in nearby Santa Barbara) for several years. I still consider that=20 area "home." A lot of great musicians will be playing there and it will be my first=20= chance to see Nels Cline play in nearly a decade. I'm looking forward to it. I get to=20= share a spot on the schedule callled "First Meetings" where I perform with a musician named=20= Bill Harrington, whom I've never even met before. It should be interesting. I love doing=20= this sort of thing. BTW, I send out a big thanks to everyone on the list for all of the=20 positive **energy** they were sending my way with their e-mails and kind well wishes. I was=20 "touched" and very grateful for every single one of those e-mails. Thanks, tEd =AE KiLLiAn On Apr 28, 2006, at 12:38 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, > > I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players=20= > Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... > > Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. > > It translates to: > Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). > > In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included=20 > within the same words. > > Too bad I can't be in Boise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 02:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75FA93BED8; Tue, 2 May 2006 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442F4AAE.60903@midsouth.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:53:18 -0600 From: Tardy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: TC 0144 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Going to try one more time with a lower price this time: I'm letting go of my TC 0144 foot-controller for the 2290 delay. Anyone who has any questions about what this unit is or what it does, feel free to email me. However I think most here are familiar with it. This unit was purchased from a gigging musician about 6 years ago, and has lived in my home ever since. It has seen some road use from its previous owner, and as a result has quite a few chips and scratches. However, it is in perfect working order. All LED's, jacks, and foot-switches function perfectly. You can view a small pic here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tardy/0144.jpg However, I have a really large, high-resolution version of the same pic that I can email. Just email me and I can send it to you. I'm asking $150 with shipping included. I can ship anywhere within the continental U.S. Feel free to ask me any questions. Thanks for any interest. Tardy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 02:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9F1C3BEDE; Tue, 2 May 2006 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442F4AFA.4080408@midsouth.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:54:34 -0600 From: Tardy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Yamaha UD Stomp for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm lowering the price of my Yamaha UD-Stomp delay unit. This unit was purchased new two years ago, and is in perfect, mint condition. It is literally in the exact same condition it was the day it came out of the box. There is not so much as a fleck of dust on it, and I have never had an issue with it. It has never been gigged with, and it has never left my home. I have used it maybe 10-12 times at the most in the entire time I have owned it. It has seen VERY little use. The manual, patch-list, and AC-adapter are of course included. And I'll throw in a two-foot patch cable as well for expression pedal connection. You can view a couple of small pics here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tardy/UDStomp1.jpg and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tardy/UDStomp2.jpg I have super high-resolution versions of the same pics that I can email as well. Just email me and I'll send them to you. I'm asking $350, which will include shipping. U.S. only please. I can ship to any state within the continental U.S. Feel free to ask me any questions, and thanks for any interest. Tardy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 04:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDE833BED8; Tue, 2 May 2006 04:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,170,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="196244284:sNHT25430020" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 00:00:10 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 05.13.06 119 Gallery, Lowell, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 04:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations on May 13, at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA. I'll be performing with my regular Immersions Ensemble (Dean Stiglitz, Electro Flute, Ramona Herboldsheimer, Hammered Dulcimer and other musicians tba, and also with Tim Casey's Ambient Improv band ChillGroove. The performances will be at Walter Wright and Mary Ann Kearns splendid 119 Gallery space in Lowell, starting at 8PM. 119 Gallery 119 Chelmsford Street, Lowell. Admission is $5.00 From Boston: Take I93 north to I495, Take I495 south to exit 35C and get on the Lowell Connector, Or Take Rte 2 west to I95, Take I95 north to Rte 3, Take Rte 3 north to exit 30A and get on the Lowell Connector, Then Get off the Connector at exit 4 and turn left on Plain St, Take Plain St to the lights and turn right on Chelmsford St, Stay on Chelmsford St for 2/3 mile. From the T: From North Station take the Lowell line to the end, Exit the terminal and walk to the stop light, Turn left onto Thorndike Street, Walk to the top of the rotary, Turn left onto Chelmsford Street, Cross Chelmsford Street at the 7-11, Continue on Chelmsford Street past the Muffler Shop, Used Car Lot, and Asian strip mall 119 Gallery is the next white building on your right. From Manchester: Take I93 south to I495, Take I495 south to exit 35C and get on the Lowell Connector, Or Take the Daniel Webster Highway south to Rte 3, Take Rte 3 south to exit 30A and get on the Lowell Connector, Then Get off the Connector at exit 4 and turn left on Plain St, Take Plain St to the lights and turn right on Chelmsford St, Stay on Chelmsford St for 2/3 mile. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 06:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76203BED0; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dJfbu9OaRGiXSsoBb8piegVQz5Wt8jskSDYM6XtiKGHIvr+NJqRjayMvJY5n7h/h3xbUXytFX7cD4GZZ9e7jB6/WYOMWQ6jhleVRp/Ks/oVoXO9EDg56VpL6Mlo/C4qeUAE7PB5lbS5FVcNrcnENN9A5mkOhjHk3jYA+ZnEmpVI= In-Reply-To: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B020C33-E23C-470A-8DE8-1494081B229B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: KLF The Manual Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:30:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 06:30:16 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2006, at 23.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > There's an online version of it: > http://www.klf.de/online/books/bytheklf/manual.htm Now that's great! I have had it as a huge unformatted word file and that's not easy to read. A much better way was to save this html version as PDF (OSX: "print / as PDF") and get a nice e-book of 57 pages. Thanks for the tip, Bernhard! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 11:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619163BED0; Tue, 2 May 2006 11:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1146569028!41803352!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9172@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jayrope: Old but New -> Jamman outdoors: help on schematics Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C66DDA.E162BB40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:23:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66DDA.E162BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on first examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V dc regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would keep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon? what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'm going to replace some of the process..... will let you know the minute I do this. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66DDA.E162BB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Jayrope: Old but New -> Jamman outdoors: help on schematics</= TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once o= r twice, but I haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd= think, on first examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifie= r & then a 5V dc regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough = current at 5V would keep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonde= r if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon?</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's i= ssue- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply = only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need= to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman)= if I'm going to replace some of the process..... </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>will let you know the minute I do this.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT> </P> <CODE><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> <BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<BR> <BR> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user<BR> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also<BR> be privileged. 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I wonder if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon? > >what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I >want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply >only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so >I need to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets >into the jamman) if I'm going to replace some of the process..... > >will let you know the minute I do this. > >duncan. > -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1065535663==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>RE: Jayrope: Old but New -> Jamman outdoors: help on schem

I believe that the jamman uses a voltage doubler and bumps up the 9Vac which is then rectified and regulated down to +/- 12vdc and +5v for the logic circuits...

I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on first examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V dc regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would keep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon?
what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'm going to replace some of the process.....
will let you know the minute I do this.
duncan.

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--============_-1065535663==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 17:29:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5691C3BED2; Tue, 2 May 2006 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c66e0d$f8650cc0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <002901c66d64$41019de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 testers Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:29:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) BV I've been unsubscribed for some time due to mailbox overflow, but I've been following the discussion through the archive. There are two topics (second topic in a separate post): I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of the most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or musical gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined? hey Bernhard what a strange question ? is LP1 buggy ? is LP1 unstructured? there seems to be enough ideas thrown at Bob Amstadt to keep him occupied for a long time (theres a part time job for a c. programmer at looperlative.com btw) having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a little bothered with the "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a software. Wich, may lead to a lot of frustration, not deserved at all criticism and bitterness because of too much public "communication" between the developper, the users, the eventual buyer if..., the nerdy dreamers, etc... all that, finally leading to a general feeling that the direction of developement is confuse because of too much diverse inputs. and the soft not going in "my" direction, yet. me for myself keeping my 3 edp's for some more time...:=), but keeping an interested eye at LP1 and a _very_ interested at moebius devellopement. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 18:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ACFF3BEDA; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:05:56 +0200 Subject: Jamman battery powered, was: Jamman Schematics From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9172@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229445157_76064" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229445157_76064 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > hey duncan (hey charles), >=20 > well I think our issue is similar. meanwhile we got to built a 12-14v lea= d > battery powered dc-to-ac converter in the works, which will eb anyways us= eful, > not just for the jamman, because many better devices, like a real nice > compressor for instamce work with AC 9v power supplies. >=20 > I=B9ll keep you updated. A schematics for the converter we (me and my rooma= te) > now just build ourselves will follow the next days aswell as a test sheet= for > y=B9all. >=20 > will be awesome. that way I can play in parks and such (must do that for = the > exoperience of doing it.) > my roommate has already builtme a lead battery powered X-Hi-Z input amp w= ith > built in insert and bigg muff EQ... I=B9ll send pictures along with the tes= t > report in a few... >=20 > or you go to myspace.com/jayrope and look at the ductamp image... >=20 > tooot >=20 > thanx very much, this is a very helpful list right now. >=20 > jayrope >=20 >=20 > I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I > haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on fi= rst > examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V d= c > regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would kee= p it > happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought to dr= op a > line to mr sellon? >=20 > what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I want to = find > a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only smaller) to ru= n the > jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to figure out what's > happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'm going to rep= lace > some of the process..... >=20 > will let you know the minute I do this. >=20 > duncan.=20 --B_3229445157_76064 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jamman battery powered, was: Jamman Schematics
hey duncan (hey charles),
well I think our issue is similar. meanwhile we got to built a 12-14v lead = battery powered dc-to-ac converter in the works, which will eb anyways usefu= l, not just for the jamman, because many better devices, like a real nice co= mpressor for instamce work with AC 9v power supplies.

I’ll keep you updated. A schematics for the converter we (me and my r= oomate) now just build ourselves will follow the next days aswell as a test = sheet for y’all.

will be awesome. that way I can play in parks and such (must do that for th= e exoperience of doing it.)
my roommate has already builtme a lead battery powered X-Hi-Z input amp wit= h built in insert and bigg muff EQ... I’ll send pictures along with th= e test report in a few...

or you go to myspace.com/jayrope and look at the ductamp image...

tooot

thanx very much, this is a very helpful list right now.

jayrope


I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I hav= en't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on first ex= amination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V dc= regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would k= eep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought t= o drop a line to mr sellon?

what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issu= e- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only= smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to f= igure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'= m going to replace some of the process.....

will let you know the minute I do this.

duncan.
--B_3229445157_76064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 18:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB3AE3BEDB; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GOtX2xonoY9Hbdn5Ml0E4MCIM4zvfcHfMKPSn7nogcIq+aQbRLwyO+DZ5lofVIM/1urCUJC3BkJJequRcMC8lPLwUCQny0ekBhLEk3DKd/v2B0JjPpENR80E8MGxEGyfl/FNarOgkGmLG0cpO8FtDb1wnwmpEDnLpxETTqinXBk= ; Message-ID: <20060502183549.64042.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c66e0d$f8650cc0$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) --- Claude Voit wrote: > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a > little bothered with the > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > software. Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a great idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self absorbed jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by this point. I can't wait for the "let's change the logo thread!" ;) I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due to his design by customer input, that I bought a beta product. The manual is poor (many features are barely mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for Steve Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned the LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in any way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many have already been found and fixed) Was a night of my life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels as 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another gone because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the clock... Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished form I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak away from being my dream looper. (there's curently no way to use the midi tracks as separate loops when synced to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP or the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging from what I read on the forum you could operate it that way. If this was a product from a company like Roland or Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly when those companies release a product it is what it is. I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate like I want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product that *may* change into what I want. This is kind of odd, as rather than digging into if for what it is (a very cool multi track looper), I can't help but think of what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in several requests but never got a "oh that's slated in the next release" or "no, that's not doable at this time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to multiple tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, we will need to spend more time defining how you want the software to work. The software is still young and I'd be happy to make changes to make operate in a useable fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I don't develop hardware/software loopers so I have no idea what it takes in terms of time to implement features. Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one of few that even care about this. As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I couldn't know that based on prerelease information* It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm ranting (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank acount on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I wait? How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but part of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in initial conception before it was released. If I knew that this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a long time, I would have passed. I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a great looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're not a midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. If you don't care about cuing a new loop to start recording at the end of the current loop AND then going back and finding the first loop still perfectly synced to your drum machine, this may be your looper. If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or not) loops that don't all have to be the same length, this may be your looper. Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably going to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like the Looperlative. I could not have done anything like this at all. I have much respect for your hard work and effort. Your ability to implement all our crazy feature requests in a short time has been amazing. I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In a sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be done with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that I just can't scratch. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 18:45:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E553BEDA; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1146595554!47914997!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9182@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman battery powered, was: Jamman Schematics Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C66E18.A4029160" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:45:58 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66E18.A4029160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" well, armed with what charles has confirmed (without the schemos, I found it difficult to work out what was going on, but suspected there'd be the usual 12s & 5s in there somewhere) I can probably get mine to run off a small laptop supply, which is what I wanted all along. if I can find a really small laptop supply, I might be able to fit it in the jamman's own case...... by the same token, sort of, maybe jay would be able to figure out what laptops do to their 15V battery supply to run the +/- 12V & +5V they almost certainly need.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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well, armed with what charles has confirmed (without the schemos, I found it difficult to work out what was going on, but suspected there'd be the usual 12s & 5s in there somewhere) I can probably get mine to run off a small laptop supply, which is what I wanted all along.
 
if I can find a really small laptop supply, I might be able to fit it in the jamman's own case......
 
by the same token, sort of, maybe jay would be able to figure out what laptops do to their 15V battery supply to run the +/- 12V & +5V they almost certainly need....
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66E18.A4029160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 19:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6E273BEE4; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:17:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: gig in Leeds, UK this saturday Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4457BE5E.19240.773797@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <442F4AAE.60903@midsouth.rr.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:17:41 +0000 (UTC) I have a rare gig this weekend in Leeds - details here; http://www.ambientlive.com/awakenings/leeds.htm The organisation are to be praised - they present regular gigs of electronic music despite maing no money at all. They give UK loopers and similar animals a rare chance to play in front of a sympathic audience! The CD I made with Canadian improv Chris Meloche (alias Outward Sound Ensemble) has had a good review in "Wire" - more detauls here http://www.kathodik.it/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2465. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 19:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0813BED0; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4457B8F2.5070806@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:54:26 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CODA -- TO A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE References: <000601c665ce$afe24db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Thanks! > > That's a great quote, by the way. I really like it, and may try to > incorporate it into something sometime. Do you know for sure it is > "original" with Hellmut Hattler? If I quote him I would want to make > sure I was correctly attributing it. I found it on a fan site about the group Kraan: http://www.spacelook.de/kraan/kraan.htm The complete Quote is: Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. Je nachdem, aus welchem Holz er geschnitzt ist, bleibt entsprechend viel Asche übrig. The second part translate to: dependend on the wood he is made of, more or less ashes will remain. The word "Asche" could also be understood as synonym for money... Don't know if the quote was made with this double meaning in mind or not. If you want to prove the authenticity, I'd ask Klaus Unland, the guy who runs the site. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 19:58:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922ED3BEE6; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:03:52 +0200 Subject: Re: CODA -- TO A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4457B8F2.5070806@addcom.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Interesting translation... I thought this would be about erm loops hahahaha > tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Thanks! >>=20 >> That's a great quote, by the way. I really like it, and may try to >> incorporate it into something sometime. Do you know for sure it is >> "original" with Hellmut Hattler? If I quote him I would want to make >> sure I was correctly attributing it. > The complete Quote is: > Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. Je > nachdem, aus welchem Holz er geschnitzt ist, bleibt entsprechend viel --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). > Asche =FCbrig. >=20 > The second part translate to: dependend on the wood he is made of, more > or less ashes will remain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801CF3BEEE; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: KLF The Manual Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:05:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) On May 1, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Now I don't know if any looper is interested in placing a number one > in the > UK charts. Some things are specific to the late 80s, some of the people > involved have since deceased (Scott Piering, John Peel), nevertheless > it's > an interesting read. The Manual is the most important book about music ever written. here's another good quote: "Even if you want it to sound like a real bass guitar, a sampled sound of a bass guitar will be used, then programmed. It's easier than getting some thumb-slapping dickhead in." --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37013BEE2; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:14:44 +0200 Subject: Re: KLF The Manual From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:09:06 +0000 (UTC) I disagree. Music itself is the most important thign about music ever written, everythign else is just words. J Kliklak.net > > The Manual is the most important book about music ever written. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158663BEE9; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kLHZolY1wJ0uYpBojUr3vGbQY0YNQSGYtDUebHw13VA8XcF5MbJhslLDTsSKLHzu3sbwUL3Di10TKAr4kz02ytM0awdzsQw/TJuD368sza1DE30uhgrVp/v+HGQIVb05NykNL/IW/lr8uoLCdnuAHTeQpBtcSib6EBfQyL2eIKU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02FDC3C6-EF34-4BD4-9B9F-D6A3D46D15BE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: KLF The Manual Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:30:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:30:49 +0000 (UTC) On 2 maj 2006, at 22.05, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > here's another good quote: > > "Even if you want it to sound like a real bass guitar, a sampled > sound of a bass guitar will be used, then programmed. It's easier > than getting some thumb-slapping dickhead in." Ha, ha.. that's funny. A project I was working with back in the nineties had a single mixed by the two KLF engineers. They were extremely skilled and I would definitely trust them for tweaking a sampler instead of "getting some thumb-slapping dickhead in" ;-)) Looking back I can now see that the this particular KLF quote probably addressed these two engineering guys - LOL!!! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2083BEDF; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3D68B4DC-5760-4A10-A4EB-FFEAA48CAF35@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: re: Looperlative testers Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:55:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:55:31 +0000 (UTC) >>>I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of the most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or musical gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined?<<< Probably because Bob doesn't know Andy at all. I've known Bob for years, and was, I think, part of his introduction to the world of live looping. He also met Rick Walker many years ago at a gig that Rick and I did with Michael Manring at the San Jose Museum of Art, that Rick organised. Bob was pretty clear about where he wanted the looperlative to go, and knew that Rick and I would have ideas that fed into that. He didn't really need any more beta testers than that. There are a heck of a lot of people on this list who would be well placed to offer advice and ideas on what a loop box could be. Bob just sent his prototypes to two of his friends, simple as that. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 21:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E4CC3BEDB; Tue, 2 May 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QN9k3w5vr9+6gUT6pJ2z9DNtJdpMhs8yHwYmDHtUuENM2kYDmWM5cJ3kDHp9kpD4XBawaM/I/aMuKENrskyLora/FLTyrFUDuJCzwVAhJ2AXB3cB0Q+vqZGZPjhLnM6ghmzjPPCJ0fyC3Y9osHuu5cH4rkaWONelUCw1ICZy6tY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:29:14 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) In-Reply-To: <20060502183549.64042.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003a01c66e0d$f8650cc0$0400000a@mini> <20060502183549.64042.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (UTC) If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a > > little bothered with the > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > > software. > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a great > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self absorbed > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by this > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the logo > thread!" ;) > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due to > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta > product. The manual is poor (many features are barely > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for Steve > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned the > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in any > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of my > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels as > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another gone > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the > clock... > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished form > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak away > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no way > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when synced > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP or > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging from > what I read on the forum you could operate it that > way. > > If this was a product from a company like Roland or > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly when > those companies release a product it is what it is. > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate like I > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product that > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of odd, > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a very > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think of > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated in > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at this > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to multiple > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, we > will need to spend more time defining how you want the > software to work. The software is still young and I'd > be happy to make changes to make operate in a useable > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I don't > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no idea > what it takes in terms of time to implement features. > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one of > few that even care about this. > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I > couldn't know that based on prerelease information* > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm ranting > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank acount > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I wait? > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but part > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in initial > conception before it was released. If I knew that > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a long > time, I would have passed. > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a great > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're not a > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. If > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start > recording at the end of the current loop AND then > going back and finding the first loop still perfectly > synced to your drum machine, this may be your looper. > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or not) > loops that don't all have to be the same length, this > may be your looper. > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably going > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like the > Looperlative. I could not have done anything like > this at all. I have much respect for your hard work > and effort. Your ability to implement all our crazy > feature requests in a short time has been amazing. > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In a > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be done > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that I > just can't scratch. > > Mark > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 21:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EAE3BEE2; Tue, 2 May 2006 21:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4053.128.193.37.212.1146606132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cranky From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Whooshman: "Len, I don't know you too well, so correct me if I'm wrong...but you seem kind of cranky." Lenny: "I'm not cranky. Babies are cranky. Old men are cranky. I'm tormented." ... Wally: "He gets like that when he's cranky." -- "The Cowboy Wally Show" by Kyle Baker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 21:51:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B055A3BEDF; Tue, 2 May 2006 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V7Bh5zh6W37xzZrKn1xQI5dJ1JiZ9igwJ+qZe4Dx2HJLKYi7kX8EO0aqCmsu22vZsNsfhJQgkG3WJavOfyGFj4c0fjPgtX53Z3te9zKuor/I+8jJRf8cWQ3RNDSTtiRnFiZ4aMHVKbiNgnbTWIN+FTlEO1E+vQg0ShDlyPLhTLY= ; Message-ID: <20060502215139.76153.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: re: Looperlative testers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D68B4DC-5760-4A10-A4EB-FFEAA48CAF35@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) --- Steve Lawson wrote: >He didn't really need any more beta testers than that. ... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues of the LP-1. I know Rick's not a big loop sync guy and I don't think you are either, and Bob's mentioned that he isn't either. If you're going to add such functionality to a device and market it as such, wouldn't you think it a good idea to have someone who's well versed in such things to help test and develop it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 01:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED5363BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 01:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:22:13 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20LP1=20Rant=20warning!=20(was=20Re:=20Looper?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lative=20LP1=A0=20testers)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 01:22:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/2/06 2:39:31 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes: > Like it is it's an itch in my brain that I > just can't scratch. > > Mark > "i have no mouth and i must scream!"......send me your looperlative!.....well written review, thanks mark.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/2/06 2:39:31 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes:


Like it is it's an it= ch in my brain that I
just can't scratch.

Mark


"i have no mouth and i must scream!"......send me your looperlative!.....= well written review, thanks mark.....:)m



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 --part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 02:47:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242DA3BED3; Wed, 3 May 2006 02:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 02:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pinky in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played the show without a hitch..sore as heck now... tons of fun... no.. really... ~peace~ Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > DANG, DANG, DANG, DAGNBBIT! > > I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, > > I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players > Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... > > Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. > > It translates to: > Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). > > In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included within > the same words. > > Too bad I can't be in Boise > > If you couldn't play I'd put your cries into my loops... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 03:27:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF67A3BEC5; Wed, 3 May 2006 03:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,81,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="272991329:sNHT40075712" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-816015367 Message-Id: <0845d87a51f060970d6cf0b3efb5213a@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:28:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 03:27:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-816015367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed OUCH! On May 2, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left > pinky > in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and > smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played > the > show without a hitch..sore as heck now... --Apple-Mail-12-816015367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII FFFF,0000,0000OUCH! On May 2, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pinky in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played the show without a hitch..sore as heck now... --Apple-Mail-12-816015367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 03:46:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2BD3BEB6; Wed, 3 May 2006 03:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:46:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 548, in=287359, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 03:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of jazz curation: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 04:15:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DD503BEC5; Wed, 3 May 2006 04:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RWYkmXgkX30Cw3VYHSj9tv2UFWNx1ANrgmP98wW/4hzYN5tpJanbDXVf7Je6qw6Tfa/p91lymVTmOnPSVCQuEPLznAY83JniXzVLlefplU+8cMkwNEu7pJ4OuSrqtoKKWzHm00CZN/Ipz7x7hsq06y6xS1FH1AscuswDcctSSRM= Message-ID: <913728d60605022115s7ccd078bw648129e5da34e070@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:15:54 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g In-Reply-To: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:15:56 +0000 (UTC) wow... that guy is amazing... and he's only 21...i've got one year to go and a lot of bass practice to catch up :) Charlie On 5/2/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of jazz > curation: > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=3D0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 06:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 514A13BED2; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=THgZWKVXtP1HcsUmXHqB4V3YcZXokcsd2RXCiXSb4Dvc/yKMWYy/mDZH6zzuwD+BPIL7eJc/FQFuxUTiOoO3umd56itNoptJd5xnh/EfIcOB4e/hdAxgzSk4hWKjEyzb9oEdafLYNUOj+6VTAp+GeTqF4ZeFC/xkprUkpFdZCRg= ; Message-ID: <20060503060519.25693.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605022115s7ccd078bw648129e5da34e070@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:05:23 +0000 (UTC) They remind me of the "Barcarole trio" from Baviera my bother introduced me to Dieter Holesch the speedy guitarrist i went to check them out and they are amazing as well! i went partying after the show with them but man those boys drink beer as much as they like playing guitar! http://www.dieterholesch.de/ Luis --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > wow... > > that guy is amazing... > and he's only 21...i've got one year to go and a lot > of bass practice > to catch up :) > > > Charlie > > On 5/2/06, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in > the context of jazz > > curation: > > > > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:06:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3630C3BED0; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6299F67D-2DE5-4ECB-9F39-1F59BA2960BA@ideastudioweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bk Subject: EDP simm question Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:06:32 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:06:41 +0000 (UTC) dear Ls, I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back-up. It's a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I bought from Steve Lawson. These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over Europe. It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software obviously there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems painful. At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. Finding the 4m memories seems very hard. On the manual it's written that every 30 pin simm with at last 120ns of speed would be fine. On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a different info: there its' said that "It can use any type. Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, any speed." Who should I believe to? And since I could probably find only used simms that have no indication of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find out if they're 1, 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, what happens if I mount on it a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a damage to the EDP? Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't find a proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano Bruno Klein From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:27:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED52F3BEC5; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c66e93$d47fc8f0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <6299F67D-2DE5-4ECB-9F39-1F59BA2960BA@ideastudioweb.com> Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:27:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm.... When I was looking to buy my EDP+ I checked out the availability of the correct SIMMs on Ebay (I'm in the UK) and found loads, and cheap enough that I could buy a few from different sellers to cover myself. As it happens I didn't have to do this as mine came fully loaded (thanks Kelly), but it didn't look like a big problem. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "bk" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: EDP simm question > dear Ls, > > > I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back-up. It's > a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I bought from Steve > Lawson. > These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over Europe. > > It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software obviously > there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems painful. > > At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. Finding the 4m > memories seems very hard. On the manual it's written that every 30 pin > simm with at last 120ns of speed would be fine. > On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a different info: > there its' said that "It can use any type. Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, > 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, any speed." > Who should I believe to? > > And since I could probably find only used simms that have no indication > of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find out if they're 1, > 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, what happens if I mount on it > a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a damage to the EDP? > > Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't find a > proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. > > > all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano > > Bruno Klein > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:32:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60C033BEDB; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=INDUmsF0THk1LrdJis46dOsmR7RyeLM+0P1VKvB3QSiwTPzUej8Hth5XuvYa1i4kJTFuNOvL8gQFuIrqxxKaU6A/o3bYwJJwdgdx7+a/rhs+XFdLvTzl6m3vKOX2XH6tM/Yc3z1qW41Ik1hg1qQQklmA8F5jCR1lF76FIP9oa3Q= In-Reply-To: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <799ADD0B-0D60-4A3E-83CA-338B70CA4AB4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:32:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:32:37 +0000 (UTC) On 3 maj 2006, at 05.46, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of > jazz curation: > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A > +NgOsglburzIh74g > > Kris Funny music! Every year around christmas time I use to visit a long and wet dinner with guitar players only. One year a guy brought his collection of Django videos. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:42:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E98F3BEDD; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Mark's rant... Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:42:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:42:33 +0000 (UTC) >>>... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues of the LP-1. I know Rick's not a big loop sync guy and I don't think you are either, and Bob's mentioned that he isn't either. If you're going to add such functionality to a device and market it as such, wouldn't you think it a good idea to have someone who's well versed in such things to help test and develop it?<<< I've used midi sync of various kinds with loopers, with varying degrees of success. But no, I wasn't brought on board to sort those issues. Anyway, Bob's not here at the moment, as you know from the LP forum. I'm sure when he gets back today or tomorrow, he'll answer your questions. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701793BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:55:49 +0200 Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Jo the guy defintateky deosn't have any SYNC issues aswell as need no power nor looping. Great stuff, thanx much for posting this. Lovely. jrp > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of jazz > curation: > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g > > Kris --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 11:26:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC6E3BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 11:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1146655549!23734363!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC918E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: KLF The Manual Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:25:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C66EA4.53CC55F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:26:34 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66EA4.53CC55F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" at great risk of appearing pedantic &/or pointing out the obvious, he does say "book" & "written", which- used together in this context- prevents one from interpreting his claim as applying to anything other than "just words". I'd agree with whoever it was that said "writing about music is like dancing about architecture" (sorry I can't correctly attribute this quote at the moment), except that in this instance the "manual" isn't about music (as a creative, artistic, expressive endeavour) per se, but about how to succeed in the music industry. this is not the same thing at all, & that's the point you should be hauling him up on, not the semantics. it's a fitting testament to the book, it's writers, musicians & the music industry itself that even though the book still "works" (individuals who have followed it to the letter are known to have been "successful"), musicians are generally speaking still wide-eyed innocents when it comes to dealing with major labels, lawyers & agents. in short, it hasn't changed anything even though it's all true. words are like that sometimes. :-) d. -----Original Message----- From: jayrope [mailto:jrploopers@kliklak.net] Sent: 02 May 2006 21:15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KLF The Manual I disagree. Music itself is the most important thign about music ever written, everythign else is just words. J Kliklak.net > > The Manual is the most important book about music ever written. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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at great risk of appearing pedantic &/or pointing out= the obvious, he does say "book" & "written", which= - used together in this context- prevents one from interpreting his claim a= s applying to anything other than "just words".

I'd agree with whoever it was that said "writing abo= ut music is like dancing about architecture" (sorry I can't correctly = attribute this quote at the moment), except that in this instance the "= ;manual" isn't about music (as a creative, artistic, expressive endeav= our) per se, but about how to succeed in the music industry.

this is not the same thing at all, & that's the point= you should be hauling him up on, not the semantics.

it's a fitting testament to the book, it's writers, music= ians & the music industry itself that even though the book still "= works" (individuals who have followed it to the letter are known to ha= ve been "successful"), musicians are generally speaking still wid= e-eyed innocents when it comes to dealing with major labels, lawyers & = agents. in short, it hasn't changed anything even though it's all true. wor= ds are like that sometimes. :-)

d.

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I disagree. Music itself is the most important thign abou= t music ever
written, everythign else is just words.

J
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> The Manual is the most important book about music e= ver written.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C66EA4.53CC55F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 13:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1513BEDC; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:36:26 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Joscho Stephan (was RE: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g) In-reply-to: <799ADD0B-0D60-4A3E-83CA-338B70CA4AB4@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c66eb6$93df3560$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Ridiculously good. This is the kind of guitar playing that makes my inner jazz guy go absolutely green with envy. He's not one of those Django wannabes that just makes you pine for the real thing (tho of course I've never seen Django live) - this guy has the fire. What I really like is that when the "kid" pulls off something amazing, at least he lets it look like it's as difficult as it is, and he gets this kind of goofy "I made it" expression at the end when he kind of bounces back into his seat, and the audience goes nuts (as it should). Thanks for the pointer, Kris Best wishes, Warren Sirota > > On 3 maj 2006, at 05.46, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of > > jazz curation: > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A > > +NgOsglburzIh74g > > > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF783BED8; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.95.32.222] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <000001c66eb6$93df3560$0202a8c0@Lightning> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Joscho Stephan (was RE: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:19:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 15:19:28.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[F85BA9C0:01C66EC4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:34 +0000 (UTC) What really blows my mind is that the hardcore Djangophiles diss this kid EVERY chance they get - for his "soulless pyrotechnics", or some such BS. As if any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as well, Django's always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - everybody knows you've got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a room practicing for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Joscho Stephan (was RE: >http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g) >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:36:26 -0400 > >Ridiculously good. This is the kind of guitar playing that makes my inner >jazz guy go absolutely green with envy. He's not one of those Django >wannabes that just makes you pine for the real thing (tho of course I've >never seen Django live) - this guy has the fire. What I really like is that >when the "kid" pulls off something amazing, at least he lets it look like >it's as difficult as it is, and he gets this kind of goofy "I made it" >expression at the end when he kind of bounces back into his seat, and the >audience goes nuts (as it should). Thanks for the pointer, Kris > >Best wishes, >Warren Sirota > > > > > > > On 3 maj 2006, at 05.46, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of > > > jazz curation: > > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A > > > +NgOsglburzIh74g > > > > > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7063BEDC; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mCjpA+D/c7wHH6ceop48ll9mtDNw9x+AE8M9vyHjI7XrsjLawYWYpgOuP4WEmKv7; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10459948.1146670692208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:38:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403b94370ef6d86b071198129116428190350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Resent-Message-ID: <-lcUQD.A.pnB.k5MWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) ZOIKS!=20 Best wishes for speedy healing. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Plishka >Sent: May 2, 2006 10:47 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE > >Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pink= y >in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and >smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played the >show without a hitch..sore as heck now... > >tons of fun... > >no.. >really... > >~peace~ > >Michael > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:39 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE >> >> >> tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> > DANG, DANG, DANG, DAGNBBIT! >> >> I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, >> >> I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players >> Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... >> >> Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. >> >> It translates to: >> Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). >> >> In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included within >> the same words. >> >> Too bad I can't be in Boise >> >> If you couldn't play I'd put your cries into my loops... >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> >> [][] [][][] [][] [][][] >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> Stefan Tiedje >> Klanggestalter >> Electronic Composition >> & >> Improvisation >> >> /~~~~~\ >> \\\ /|() ()|\ >> ))))) )| | |( \\\ >> /// \ \_/)/ ))))) >> \___/ /// >> >> -------------------------x---- >> --_____-----------|----------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- >> -- _|_)----|-----()----------- >> ----------()------------x----- >> >> 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, >> 94320 Thiais, France >> Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884613BEE4; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001401c66ec8$7eef14b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8iKWl.A.n3B.69MWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as well, > Django's always > been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made Selmer clone > (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - everybody > knows you've > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > room practicing > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd you pay for it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25BB63BEEC; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060503114721.w151tego3r7k8888@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:47:21 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE References: <10459948.1146670692208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10459948.1146670692208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Tim and others... The throbbing has stopped, and it's not looking too bad considering. ~peace~ Michael Quoting mungenast@earthlink.net: > ZOIKS! > Best wishes for speedy healing. > ~Tim > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Plishka >> Sent: May 2, 2006 10:47 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE >> >> Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pi= nky >> in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and >> smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played th= e >> show without a hitch..sore as heck now... >> >> tons of fun... >> >> no.. >> really... >> >> ~peace~ >> >> Michael >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] >>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:39 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE >>> >>> >>> tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >>> > DANG, DANG, DANG, DAGNBBIT! >>> >>> I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, >>> >>> I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players >>> Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... >>> >>> Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. >>> >>> It translates to: >>> Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). >>> >>> In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included within >>> the same words. >>> >>> Too bad I can't be in Boise >>> >>> If you couldn't play I'd put your cries into my loops... >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> -- >>> >>> [][] [][][] [][] [][][] >>> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>> >>> Stefan Tiedje >>> Klanggestalter >>> Electronic Composition >>> & >>> Improvisation >>> >>> /~~~~~\ >>> \\\ /|() ()|\ >>> ))))) )| | |( \\\ >>> /// \ \_/)/ ))))) >>> \___/ /// >>> >>> -------------------------x---- >>> --_____-----------|----------- >>> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- >>> -- _|_)----|-----()----------- >>> ----------()------------x----- >>> >>> 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, >>> 94320 Thiais, France >>> Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 18:25:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 399593BEDD; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=uCfXdrYAj18oBiw1hgN9aV/QaxC1lEiDg6Mt5n+FDNkg1G86p3XuQ8TW1lNtSETWILmeQhNVuzgsxAeH5xp4sGw1mNRdXfj+5YQQb6LobXMat0lIsqDROY7E76sW24SA+onD8ZhCRnhlX68qiCVtQ7P/3XsaXMmQj4KcgY5Zz5c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:25:09 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <5D7AsD.A.utD.OWPWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and speak at a conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid well). I had 20 minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the laptop directly into the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx box and then into the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was touring with a huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre amp, a digital reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack... Ouch, so heavy! Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 19:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79A53BED2; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:57:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same=20= way, laptop life-style rocks! Rick Walker? Are you listening....? :-) Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and speak at a=20= > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics=20 > fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer,=20= > grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid=20= > well). I had 20 minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the=20= > laptop directly into the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into=20= > the fx box and then into the laptop running Mobius. I remember three=20= > years ago I was touring with a huge Gator rack case holding an=20 > Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre amp, a digital reverb device and a=20 > Behringer mixer on top of the rack... Ouch, so heavy! Light Laptop=20 > style totally rocks ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05393BEDB; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:07:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 20:07:43.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CC27800:01C66EED] Resent-Message-ID: <2JJTOC.A.DJD.Q2QWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a > tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and Per - I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely there are plugins that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for the interface is it - I can only guess that you're trying to free up processor for other things. Isn't it painful that it always must be wired pre-loop or post-loop, or do you have some sort of programmable insert point on your audio interface? curious, Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:09:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2363BEE6; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:09:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 552, in=300911, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you running it as a standalone or inside a VST host? After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the festival, I am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. I'm almost there anyway. I only use the Looperlative and the VF1 in a two space rack, then my computer for all my tone mangling effects. In fact, I can already run 100% laptop now, by using my two notebooks, one dedicated to just Mobius. I'm just trying to get everything on one notebook....I'm almost convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to Jeff, but getting the stability I require with both Mobius and all my intense VST effects on the same machine, inside the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, is still dubious. It's not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming ThinkPad wiht the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a systematic issue between different software systems, yet MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in which you can write your own looping plugin to work seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. I was amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the program was. I don't know what is holding me back from making the leap...fear....holding tenaciously onto the security of hardware effects and looping, who knows.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same way, laptop life-style rocks! Rick Walker? Are you listening....? :-) Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and speak at a > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a tenor > sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid well). I had 20 > minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the laptop directly into > the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx box and then into > the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was touring with a > huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre amp, a digital > reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack... Ouch, so heavy! > Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C286E3BEF3; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c66eed$c973ecc0$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:11:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 552, in=300915, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0e3zEB.A.5cD.95QWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Per...make the leap to VST effects (ditching that hardware), and I'll make to total leap to a software looper. :) We'll meet in between. I'm sure you can get what you want out of the plethera of VST effects out there. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "jondrums" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >> conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, >> FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a >> tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and > > Per - > I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be your > only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely there are > plugins that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for the interface > is it - I can only guess that you're trying to free up processor for other > things. Isn't it painful that it always must be wired pre-loop or > post-loop, or do you have some sort of programmable insert point on your > audio interface? > > > curious, > Jon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:18:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED09A3BEF6; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:18:21 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c66eee$b9b7f370$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZu7T3Qy+ZOjLPDRRO10dw6TwsWrwAATmdA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:27 +0000 (UTC) As a matter of fact, the FireworX doesn't always need to be wired = pre-loop or post-loop. You can program the insert port of the FireworX to sit at = any place in your effects chain, so you could go Source -> FireworX In FireworX Out -> Mains FireworX Insert Send -> Computer -> FireworX Insert Return=20 Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jondrums [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 22:08 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >=20 > > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics =20 > > fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI=20 > hand mixer, =20 > > grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and >=20 > Per - > I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems=20 > to be your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why=20 > that is, surely there are plugins=20 > that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for the=20 > interface is it - I=20 > can only guess that you're trying to free up processor for=20 > other things.=20 > Isn't it painful that it always must be wired pre-loop or=20 > post-loop, or do you have some sort of programmable insert=20 > point on your audio interface? >=20 >=20 > curious, > Jon >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AF43BEFF; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:19:29 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZu7Y5HDurTAc6pS/OsgnwFkwEg3wAAN5+g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:19:34 +0000 (UTC) You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as = you don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another = Ninjam Wasabi for MIDI sync ;)=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 22:10 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >=20 > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you=20 > running it as a standalone or inside a VST host? >=20 > After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the=20 > festival, I am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. I'm=20 > almost there anyway. I only use the Looperlative and the VF1=20 > in a two space rack, then my computer for all my tone=20 > mangling effects. In fact, I can already run 100% laptop now,=20 > by using my two notebooks, one dedicated to just Mobius. I'm=20 > just trying to get everything on one notebook....I'm almost=20 > convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to=20 > Jeff, but getting the stability I require with both Mobius=20 > and all my intense VST effects on the same machine, inside=20 > the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, is still dubious. It's=20 > not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming ThinkPad wiht=20 > the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a=20 > systematic issue between different software systems, yet=20 > MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in=20 > which you can write your own looping plugin to work=20 > seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. I was=20 > amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the program was. >=20 > I don't know what is holding me back from making the=20 > leap...fear....holding tenaciously onto the security of=20 > hardware effects and looping, who knows.... >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >=20 >=20 > Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same > way, laptop life-style rocks! >=20 > Rick Walker? Are you listening....? >=20 > :-) >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >=20 >=20 > On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and=20 > speak at a=20 > > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc=20 > electronics fireworX,=20 > > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer,=20 > grabbed a tenor=20 > > sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid=20 > well). I had 20=20 > > minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the=20 > laptop directly into=20 > > the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx=20 > box and then into=20 > > the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was=20 > touring with a=20 > > huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre=20 > amp, a digital=20 > > reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack...=20 > Ouch, so heavy!=20 > > Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0963BEF8; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c66eef$b0ed2b10$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:25:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 551, in=292028, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9llAbB.A.cpE.wGRWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Hah hah...that's right! Speaking of which, I"ll get to responding to your Kybermusik summary here shortly... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as you don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another Ninjam Wasabi for MIDI sync ;) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 22:10 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you > running it as a standalone or inside a VST host? > > After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the > festival, I am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. I'm > almost there anyway. I only use the Looperlative and the VF1 > in a two space rack, then my computer for all my tone > mangling effects. In fact, I can already run 100% laptop now, > by using my two notebooks, one dedicated to just Mobius. I'm > just trying to get everything on one notebook....I'm almost > convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to > Jeff, but getting the stability I require with both Mobius > and all my intense VST effects on the same machine, inside > the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, is still dubious. It's > not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming ThinkPad wiht > the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a > systematic issue between different software systems, yet > MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in > which you can write your own looping plugin to work > seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. I was > amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the program was. > > I don't know what is holding me back from making the > leap...fear....holding tenaciously onto the security of > hardware effects and looping, who knows.... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > > > Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same > way, laptop life-style rocks! > > Rick Walker? Are you listening....? > > :-) > > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > > > On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and > speak at a > > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc > electronics fireworX, > > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, > grabbed a tenor > > sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid > well). I had 20 > > minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the > laptop directly into > > the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx > box and then into > > the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was > touring with a > > huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre > amp, a digital > > reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack... > Ouch, so heavy! > > Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:33:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6A43BEF8; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459137F.1000500@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:33:03 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as you > don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another Ninjam > Wasabi for MIDI sync ;) Would one of youze guys mind doing a technical write-up on this? I've done a few ninjams myself, but i'd love to hear how you rigged everything for recording and web-streaming. (By the way, those programs weren't all that cpu intensive, as far as I remember?) andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:36:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A26A3BED6; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:36:37 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you running it as > a standalone or inside a VST host? > > After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the festival, I > am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. ... > I'm almost convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to Jeff, but > getting the stability I require with both Mobius and all my intense VST > effects on the same machine, inside the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, > is still dubious. It's not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming > ThinkPad wiht the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a > systematic issue between different software systems, yet MAX/MSP seems > like a very stable and holistic system, in which you can write your own > looping plugin to work seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST > effects. I was amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the > program was. I am also going in that direction, although I've been soft-looping for a while going to a maxMSP system is intimidating! Maybe a consolidated effort is required to make one end-all-be-all max looping rig? Join forces - Loopers Delight against the world! Personally I am so fascinated by the way max interacts with its surroundings - playing solos on a wacom board within a week of starting the max tutorials is very gratifying :-D a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:58:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108043BEF1; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c66ef4$642d16f0$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4459137F.1000500@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:58:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 549, in=288243, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:58:58 +0000 (UTC) I'll defer to Rainer on that...I believe he's working on something. After about 1 page of fine text, my eyes start to glaze over. We have successfully used the program several times, however, more recently with a live performance with me and Rick Walker here in the US, and Rainer at a club in Germany. It was rather fun. I could hear the chatter of the crowd in the club through Rainer's mic, and heard Rainer speak for the first time...albeit in German, so I had no clue what he was saying. :) The only problem for me right now, with Ninjam, is the latency....not the time delay between locations, but some latency that Ninjam is forcing on my system, which doesn not occur when I'm not using Ninjam. For example, I experience no latency on my sound card when I use Shoutcast. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as >> you >> don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another Ninjam >> Wasabi for MIDI sync ;) > > Would one of youze guys mind doing a technical write-up on this? I've done > a few ninjams myself, but i'd love to hear how you rigged everything for > recording and web-streaming. (By the way, those programs weren't all that > cpu intensive, as far as I remember?) > > andreas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5173BEF5; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cyBvhhLh/DUacccUa5yAlqeeKtvzGSQiSgJKMFr+kbD7LWGow0iSfWCYbG5lE4DoJ5KyMsemdZh9xJjoTzi7YnHtaSpmA2LrO6EceN3oIwBht2olfwJJ3BKkna8BxDO8BgdvRz2DN/nj7DmftMiVUajSInmwKbDDuDCeLqB9EMM= In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14EBFB8F-6E71-4E3B-8F36-BA4AC65747A0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:03:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:03:24 +0000 (UTC) On 3 maj 2006, at 22.07, jondrums wrote: > Per - > I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be > your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely > there are plugins that can do all that right? or not? Not ;-) I managed to program some stuff I like in that box. So why not play with it? On 3 maj 2006, at 22.09, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you running > it as a standalone or inside a VST host? Standalone. In the past I used it as VST but I changed my mind. The pitch transformation stuff I was using the host (Live) for can be done with scripting inside Mobius, so I don't need a host any more. On 3 maj 2006, at 22.18, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > As a matter of fact, the FireworX doesn't always need to be wired > pre-loop > or post-loop. You can program the insert port of the FireworX to > sit at any > place in your effects chain, so you could go That's what I thought too after reading the manual. But when setting up such an external send loop from the FireworX I found the latency way too big, when using analog ports. I also like to record the processed sound into the loops, as part of the instrument I play. I think that it's much more exciting than looping raw sound and then applying effects in a sort of "re-mix" attitude. I believe that the smaller set-up you are using the stronger grows the statement you make. And that's what I think music is about. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6F93BEF4; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.214.76] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <001401c66ec8$7eef14b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:06:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 21:06:21.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E157260:01C66EF5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey Warren, I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with a Gitane (Saga) 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small oval hole. Cost me around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast attack, quick decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta use those light silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent dunlop pick, but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like Wegens (at 15 bucks a pop! I've only got one!!). The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier than an electric 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. Warmer tone (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a real chunky selmeroid neck- highly recommended. Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole slew of GJ guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - plus he's got a guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right out the box (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious about this style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale (Deii'Arte, maybe?) from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded just as good as any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a Hofner!?! if memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. Hope this helps! david >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as well, > > Django's always > > been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made Selmer clone > > (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - everybody > > knows you've > > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > > room practicing > > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > > > > >Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd you pay for it, >how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BDD83BEEE; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) At 1:07 PM -0700 5/3/06, jondrums wrote: >>conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics >>fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand >>mixer, grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went >>well (and > >Per - >I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be >your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely >there are plugins that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for >the interface is it - I can only guess that you're trying to free up >processor for other things. Isn't it painful that it always must be >wired pre-loop or post-loop, or do you have some sort of >programmable insert point on your audio interface? Well, I'm not going to put words in Per's mouth, but the architecture of one of my rigs is pretty close to what he's doing here. In fact, owing in great part to Per's always helpful and informative posts, I've... erm, "borrowed" quite a few hints at making my own rig run better (BTW, thanks Per! :). Again, speaking of my own setup here, I'm using primarily a laptop to loop and process external input (Augustus and Live), but I also use a small rack of hardware effects to augment the setup. In regard to routing, Ableton Live is remarkably flexible in the ways it lets you convolute the signal path. Assuming you've extra I/O on your soundcard, you can place your external effect loop(s) anywhere in the signal path you like -- just like your software VST/AU effects. You can also save this routing within each individual Live Set, and bring a different one up at will. To address the "why" aspect, there are three reasons that I do it this way. First, I use my TC Powercore to take load off the CPU for frequently-used or mundane effects. This provides fantastic reverbs, chorus, and basic delay with a minimal hit to my processor. Second, there are really very few plug-ins for some effects (like reverb) which can match the quality of mid- to higher-end dedicated hardware without eating your processor alive (Altiverb, for instance). Also, there are some effects that I just don't like the sound of in the currently available plug-in software, such as many distortions. Plug-ins are great for bit/sample-reduction type effects and harsh audio mangling, for instance. But I haven't found anything plug-based that I like as well as a coupla stompboxes (aside: oh yeah, there's another reason "why" -- stompboxes!) for traditional creamy guitar-type distortion. I use a Keeley Blues Driver in combination with a Yamaha Magic Stomp (MS is also great for delays, and it's verb isn't half-bad either). Although, strangely enough, MDA's freebie Combo plug-in will do one of the best speaker emulations I've come across. I think a lot of things are just hit-or-miss at the moment. Third, and finally, there are currently some outboard effects that just haven't yet been emulated. Find me a plug-in that will let me put my Lexicon Vortex out to pasture, and I'll happily do so. ;) --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E1E3BEE4; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:47:24 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I often debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop and using the proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? One or two other guitars, to be sure. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > Hey Warren, > > I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with > a Gitane (Saga) > 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small > oval hole. Cost me > around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast > attack, quick > decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta > use those light > silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping > w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent > dunlop pick, > but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like > Wegens (at 15 bucks > a pop! I've only got one!!). > > The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier > than an electric > 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John > Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. > Warmer tone > (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a > real chunky > selmeroid neck- highly recommended. > > Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole > slew of GJ > guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - > plus he's got a > guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right > out the box > (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). > > I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I > wouldn't hesitate to > buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious > about this > style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale > (Deii'Arte, maybe?) > from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo > DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded > just as good as > any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a > Hofner!?! if > memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. > > > Hope this helps! > > david > > >From: Warren Sirota > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > > any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > > > > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as > well, Django's > > > always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made > > > Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - > > > everybody knows you've > > > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > > > room practicing > > > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > > > > > > > > >Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd > you pay for > >it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 22:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21D5E3BEE4; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.214.76] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:12:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 22:13:01.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE42DF80:01C66EFE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Warren, don't sell the vintage archtop, unless it's to feed your kids.. I've got a 'student grade' gibson plywood archtop w/a P90 that hums so loud I can only play it acoustically, BUT it is superb for all the olde-timey styles - as I'm sure yours is too.. these selmer clones are popping up everywhere now (you might recall the same thing happpening w/resophonic guitars a few years ago) so you'll probably be able to pick one up used for real cheap... BTW, what's your vintage archtop? Love those vibey old guitars.. >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:47:24 -0400 > >Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I often >debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop and using the >proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? One or two >other >guitars, to be sure. > >Best wishes, >Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > > > > Hey Warren, > > > > I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with > > a Gitane (Saga) > > 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small > > oval hole. Cost me > > around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast > > attack, quick > > decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta > > use those light > > silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping > > w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent > > dunlop pick, > > but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like > > Wegens (at 15 bucks > > a pop! I've only got one!!). > > > > The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier > > than an electric > > 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John > > Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. > > Warmer tone > > (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a > > real chunky > > selmeroid neck- highly recommended. > > > > Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole > > slew of GJ > > guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - > > plus he's got a > > guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right > > out the box > > (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). > > > > I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I > > wouldn't hesitate to > > buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious > > about this > > style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale > > (Deii'Arte, maybe?) > > from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo > > DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded > > just as good as > > any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a > > Hofner!?! if > > memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > david > > > > >From: Warren Sirota > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > > > any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > > > > > > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as > > well, Django's > > > > always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made > > > > Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - > > > > everybody knows you've > > > > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > > > > room practicing > > > > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd > > you pay for > > >it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 23:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6504F3BEDC; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2f0c1046da890941d569705ab7b62700@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:17:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Warren; Just curious - what kind of vintage archtop are you playing? I'm an Epi player/ recovering collector :). - Paul On May 3, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I > often > debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop and using > the > proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? One or two > other > guitars, to be sure. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >> >> >> Hey Warren, >> >> I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with >> a Gitane (Saga) >> 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small >> oval hole. Cost me >> around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast >> attack, quick >> decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta >> use those light >> silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping >> w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent >> dunlop pick, >> but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like >> Wegens (at 15 bucks >> a pop! I've only got one!!). >> >> The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier >> than an electric >> 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John >> Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. >> Warmer tone >> (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a >> real chunky >> selmeroid neck- highly recommended. >> >> Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole >> slew of GJ >> guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - >> plus he's got a >> guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right >> out the box >> (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). >> >> I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I >> wouldn't hesitate to >> buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious >> about this >> style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale >> (Deii'Arte, maybe?) >> from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo >> DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded >> just as good as >> any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a >> Hofner!?! if >> memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. >> >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> david >> >>> From: Warren Sirota >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >>> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] >>> any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. >>>> >>>> I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as >> well, Django's >>>> always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made >>>> Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - >>>> everybody knows you've >>>> got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a >>>> room practicing >>>> for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd >> you pay for >>> it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 23:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2663BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pdT5mMVTp69i5EMLkO6z+9D61Iwkp3M/Fo5kKMED8hLqMJUL3TFgMpWSA2HGpQLPmtovRVWXLmO5Ejb0p1h/3ZrLtfBT3JqtTPaFqqY9q2VyKwdNB7xUJj+Pw6wflE+O7eHdHpMLAImPpG45PwL+NyuOAIW/uEtwQlhESvjquJU= ; Message-ID: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-i2E-C.A.V-B.j_TWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, I'm at your Apple Podcast site and I'm loving your tunes. (as usual) I don't know how much of that is looped with Mobius, but I'm going to assume that "Mobius Flute Solo" is. As with the other tracks, I hear sequenced stuff as well as your live looping. When you play live, as in the gig today, do you include that aspect? If so, what hardware or software are you using? Is it coming from the same laptop that's running Mobius? How do it go? HOW DO IT GO?! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 00:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9557C3BEDD; Thu, 4 May 2006 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Bruno K Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:42:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. Try to figure how *disappointing* would be buying something (with overseas shipping costs) and finding out it's not right (if working...). The other question is: does anybody knows what happens if I mount a Simm over 4 Mb (8 or 16) in case I find some second hand pieces with no indication and I need to mount them for testing purpose? Could the simm be damaged? Would the EDP disappear? thanks again to you all for any significant clue Bruno > Hmmm.... > When I was looking to buy my EDP+ I checked out the availability of > the correct SIMMs on Ebay (I'm in the UK) and found loads, and > cheap enough that I could buy a few from different sellers to cover > myself. As it happens I didn't have to do this as mine came fully > loaded (thanks Kelly), but it didn't look like a big problem. > > Nik > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "bk" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:06 AM > Subject: EDP simm question > > > >> dear Ls, >> >> >> I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back- >> up. It's a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I >> bought from Steve Lawson. >> These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over >> Europe. >> >> It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software >> obviously there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems >> painful. >> >> At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. >> Finding the 4m memories seems very hard. On the manual it's >> written that every 30 pin simm with at last 120ns of speed would >> be fine. >> On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a >> different info: there its' said that "It can use any type. >> Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, >> any speed." >> Who should I believe to? >> >> And since I could probably find only used simms that have no >> indication of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find >> out if they're 1, 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, >> what happens if I mount on it a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a >> damage to the EDP? >> >> Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't >> find a proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. >> >> >> all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano >> >> Bruno Klein > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 00:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79BD63BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,85,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="197541989:sNHT34775884" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060503174838.011486c8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:49:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EDP simm question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) The original manual says 120ns or better. So 60 or 70 will be just fine. sean At 2006.05.03 05:42 PM, Bruno K wrote: >Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could >buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. > >Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or >even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: >especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. > >The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed >is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary >condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few >Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 00:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BAE93BEF3; Thu, 4 May 2006 00:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZMDF3BX1hjDLJmpxxJF+YNGsYbQy+RkO2gPWViO2y7Hgw0rLb7HCOg1YF/I1ro5tN5HkRKua5Y9CfP4g/JfQdDE8vI9QSvezOeqjbkD9VapKZBs7Wdo3igaiKJabZTSTtgJKvRbrgp377knaAcug9Fdxpzsjb7lepdkKK+OoriE= Message-ID: <8390c9ac0605031750qd5bca08ud88c0b9d6f60a04e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:50:28 +0800 From: Alwyn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP simm question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:50:29 +0000 (UTC) 60ns and 70ns ram modules are faster than 120ns, so that won't be an issue. Cheers, Alwyn On 5/4/06, Bruno K wrote: > Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could > buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. > > Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or > even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: > especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. > > The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed > is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary > condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few > Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. > > Try to figure how *disappointing* would be buying something (with > overseas shipping costs) and finding out it's not right (if working...). > > The other question is: does anybody knows what happens if I mount a > Simm over 4 Mb (8 or 16) in case I find some second hand pieces with > no indication and I need to mount them for testing purpose? Could the > simm be damaged? Would the EDP disappear? > > thanks again to you all for any significant clue > > Bruno > > > > > Hmmm.... > > When I was looking to buy my EDP+ I checked out the availability of > > the correct SIMMs on Ebay (I'm in the UK) and found loads, and > > cheap enough that I could buy a few from different sellers to cover > > myself. As it happens I didn't have to do this as mine came fully > > loaded (thanks Kelly), but it didn't look like a big problem. > > > > Nik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "bk" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:06 AM > > Subject: EDP simm question > > > > > > > >> dear Ls, > >> > >> > >> I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back- > >> up. It's a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I > >> bought from Steve Lawson. > >> These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over > >> Europe. > >> > >> It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software > >> obviously there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems > >> painful. > >> > >> At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. > >> Finding the 4m memories seems very hard. On the manual it's > >> written that every 30 pin simm with at last 120ns of speed would > >> be fine. > >> On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a > >> different info: there its' said that "It can use any type. > >> Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, > >> any speed." > >> Who should I believe to? > >> > >> And since I could probably find only used simms that have no > >> indication of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find > >> out if they're 1, 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, > >> what happens if I mount on it a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a > >> damage to the EDP? > >> > >> Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't > >> find a proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. > >> > >> > >> all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano > >> > >> Bruno Klein > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 02:08:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6023BEE8; Thu, 4 May 2006 02:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:08:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:08:13 +0000 (UTC) this is a great idea and has been discussed between andrew pask and=20 myself.......we just haven't sat down to do it yet...I'm going to get=20 together with rick walker later this summer and will keep you all=20 posted. BTW, andreas...aren't you on the max list as well?....how many lists do=20= you belong to? :-) (I just lurk there....those guys intimidate me...i'm no programmer) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 3, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > to make one end-all-be-all max looping rig? Join forces - Loopers=20 > Delight against the world!= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 02:51:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8AAD3BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 02:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d901c66f25$aa0c8c60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Digitech EX-7 Expression pedal for sale Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <73mCE.A.tAH.5wWWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:51:37 +0000 (UTC) I just purchased a Digitech EX-7 expression pedal (they just came out) and realize that it does not do precisely what my old Digitech Red Whammy Pedal did so I'm going to put it on e-bay unless someone is interested in buying it here and re purchase my Digitech which died. The EX-7 is pretty amazing: in the footprint of a typical wah wah or volume pedal it incorporates: two different kinds of wah (Clyde McCoy and a Dunlop Crybaby) a volume pedal 7 distortion models and seven different cabinet simulations. the digitech Whammy pedal pitch shifter the digitech Space Station 'Synth Swell' the ADA flanger ( a very hip analogue flanger) a leslie speaker digital modelling replete with sweeping leslie speeds a Unichord Uni-Vibe chorus It's a hell of a lot of bang for the buck and e-bay is advertising several at a buy it now price of $199 (not including shipping). I'll sell mine for $190 including shipping. It's in perfect condition with all packaging and a power supply. It's still on warranty as I just bought it. I have a paypal account if you are interested. I don't think you can beat that price anywhere and I'd just as soon sell it to a family member as a stranger at E-Strange. email me off list at rickwalker(at sign)looppool(dot sign)info if you would like it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 03:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3870F3BEDE; Thu, 4 May 2006 03:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44596F08.6070804@hushmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:03:36 -0400 From: Jim Shepherd Reply-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP simm question References: <8390c9ac0605031750qd5bca08ud88c0b9d6f60a04e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8390c9ac0605031750qd5bca08ud88c0b9d6f60a04e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6q3jN.A.mhH.P8WWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 03:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Just to echo... er, repeat... um... add to... yeah... what everyone else is saying: I've got two Oberheim white face EDP's, purchased over 10 years ago, maxed out with 60ns 4mb simms, they work just fine. Alwyn wrote: > 60ns and 70ns ram modules are faster than 120ns, so that won't be an > issue. > > Cheers, > Alwyn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 04:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F8D13BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <36432.67.175.52.76.1146717520.squirrel@mail.bagend.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:38:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Chicago jam sesh w/ Seven Leaegue Boots tonight From: "Henry Heine" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 04:38:44 +0000 (UTC) I sent this earlier today, but it never made it to the list. Is it taboo to attach a jpg? I know, RTFFaq. --------------------------------------------- Hi y'all My band Seven League Boots will play a set and then host the evening's jams at the Muse Cafe, 817 N. Milwaukee Ave, Chicago. 8pm - midnight. There is no cover charge, and it's OK if you are under 21 years old! The Muse cafe is holding these "workshops" on the first Thursday of each month. We have hosted this event before, and it was really fun to meet so many like-minded musicians, right here in little old Chicago. A spontaneous live workshop of Junglebop, IDM, Freejazz, & Experimental styles with both electronic & acoustic instrumentation. Bring your instruments & devices. Guitar & bass amps, drum set, & keyboard provided. http://musecafechicago.com Seven League Boots is a band that plays electronica / drum'n'bass / live looping. We play songs and we improvise. Ed Shannon - guitar, animal sounds, drum machine Pete Machine - guitar and knob turning Jose Sandoval - keyboard Brian Abraham - hits things with sticks Henry Heine - low sounds and live loops http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/shows.html LISTEN TO 7 LEAGUE BOOTS HERE: http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/listen.html Please forward this to everyone you know who loves good music! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 04:56:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09923BEDD; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c66f37$29f45280$8ab95545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <026a01c66adb$98e16c10$c4c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <031901c66ba1$95138930$c4c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Gear 4 sale... Digitech PMC-10 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:56:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) After about 5 years of not using any midi controller, I'm going to let go of one of my two PMC-10 floor controllers. It's seen plenty of use, but I've turned it on and tested the switches and they all seem just like I left them years back. It has awesome functionality, as discussed here on LD, and is extremely programmable. There's a free PC editor, Raymond, authored by list member Sean Echevarria, which can be downloaded from his site...and the depth and detail found there is very complete regarding the manual, bugs, hand programmer maintenance (and avoidance!), etc. http://creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/ As I scrolled through the patches I fondly remembered just why it's the king of controllers with it's patch toggle mode that jumps from one patch to the other... the ability to send numerous cc/note/pgm changes to multiple channels both on the footswitch downstroke (command chain a), and/or release (command chain b)... all switches can be programmed both as toggle or momentary modes as well as a 'performance' mode which scrolls though more than 10 patches in a search or direct mode in a method that's easier to see on unlit stages. It's a bitchin' box... Anway... I'm in a major money crunch and this is the beginning of another involuntary equipment purge... (I'll be posting a Roland SRV 3030 digital reverb in another post shortly... feel free to ask about it if interested!) I'm asking $250 total for the controller, programming puck, manual and power supply, shipping included. The unit sits atop a pedal board, with a riser behind the controller, with two EV-5 expression pedals velcroed on as well as the power supply, and you can shove the programming puck below the riser. There's also a Midi Solutions Quadra Thru box under the riser which splits the midi signal into four outputs, so you can send things every which way. I'd throw all that in for another $150... or feel free to make offers on separate components. Of course, this all comes at rent time, along with a little note from the IRS that I owe them a bit more money than I gave them. (We'll see about that, but in the meantime... 8-)) I can be reached at my cell 831.588.8162 or biffoz(at)arczip(dot)com Danke Schoen, Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 05:31:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D3C3BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:35:53 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Steve Lawson , Loop List Subject: Re: Mark's rant... Message-ID: <9C00E5A73D272A38F43191B0@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:31:13 +0000 (UTC) I just wanted to step in and say a few quick words. The roll-out of the LP1 didn't go as smooth as I hoped. There is nothing wrong that hasn't been corrected or can't be corrected within the next few months. I'm not hiding anything. Current users have been posting freely to the Looperlative message board which is open for anybody to see. If you would like to know all of what is happening with Looperlative, you are welcome to visit the web site and read any or all of it. I am actively working to correct all known problems and working to add new features. The LP1 is a very different product. It is not manufactured by a large corporation and it is my plan to continue to offer software updates for the device on a fairly regular basis. Rather than years between upgrades, I would like to have new software upgrades available on a monthly basis. I realize that what I am doing is not conventional. I didn't go into this project looking for a way to become rich. In fact, unless I suddenly can start producing and selling LP1s in the thousands, I can't even quit my day job. I have produced the LP1 as a labor of love. I use an LP1 personally and hope that it will also suit the needs of others. Thank you for taking the time to read this, Bob Amstadt (415) 992-LOOP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 06:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BF6B3BECF; Thu, 4 May 2006 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 7:51:36 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: EDP simm question X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.200.106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060504065138.DF66633CAF7@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <7XPZuC.A.cpE.jXaWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) 60nS or 70nS is much quicker than 120nS and so will do fine. I found at least four sources of 4mb simms on Ebay.co.uk when I looked early this year. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: 04/05/06 00:42 Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. Try to figure how *disappointing* would be buying something (with overseas shipping costs) and finding out it's not right (if working...). The other question is: does anybody knows what happens if I mount a Simm over 4 Mb (8 or 16) in case I find some second hand pieces with no indication and I need to mount them for testing purpose? Could the simm be damaged? Would the EDP disappear? thanks again to you all for any significant clue Bruno ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 07:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3D603BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 07:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:21:56 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff! Jeff Kaiser wrote: > this is a great idea and has been discussed between andrew pask and > myself.......we just haven't sat down to do it yet...I'm going to get > together with rick walker later this summer and will keep you all posted. Cool. I guess as in all software the trickiest part is the specification - what do we want? "More!" - when do we want it? "Later this summer!" I would love to help out, perhaps draw up some suggestions, and I would certainly be interested in any development I could do - Macro recorder, anyone? :) If we do it right I know a few people who would be very interested, I think - hello Kid Beyond! :) > BTW, andreas...aren't you on the max list as well?....how many lists do > you belong to? :-) I'm "only" semi-active on three: LD, MusicBar on ampfea.org and the MaxList now - I think the activity I'm showing there reflects that I kind of *need* to interact with those guys in order to not get into bad habits this early in my max-programming life. Anyway, I try to help out whenever I can. > (I just lurk there....those guys intimidate me...i'm no programmer) Hehe, to those that don't know the max-list here is a little excerpt from a currently running discussion (Which I, fyi, didn't get at all...): Andreas ----------------------------------------- [+ 1.] is float addition, but [+ #1.] is int addition if 1st argument of abstraction is int. Too bad, isn't it? Would that be a reasonable feature request? ----------------------------------------- Two possible workarounds: loadbang -> '#1' -> [+ 0.](right inlet) loadbang -> [float #1] -> [+ 0.](right inlet) ----------------------------------------- make the argument to #1 "1." or "2." as long as it has the '.' it will become a float add. I just tested it, it works. ------------------------------------------ Thanks, I was wondering is there would be a way to avoid that. Or the more compact [loadmess #1] ... -------------------------------------------- etc... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 08:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8D43BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 08:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cZncxEg+n2NWm5Qp7mj/yjBNW+T0KT+hk7WA0I9a7gENzD4AqyJY+qauVvYzX4E317lv0zP4Apuj0OK09+riHbFqRu5e7KGLY20b34Qnw9qPliENEnyrb+KDvrawhIsIukme2tK8+71ni907ZMeyNZos/p9y84ICBzf1NeWK7WA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:04:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:04:56 +0000 (UTC) On 4 maj 2006, at 01.42, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm at your Apple Podcast site and I'm loving your > tunes. (as usual) I don't know how much of that is > looped with Mobius, but I'm going to assume that > "Mobius Flute Solo" is. Yes, that flute solo was just a "mobius first take". Mobius has this key command that lets you push "start recording" and then you go ahead and play something. When you're finished you press the key for "stop recording" and the key for "save recording". Then you will find your gig as a nice stereo 32 bit wav file inside the Mobius folder. With this piece I put that live looping file on a track in Ableton Live and then I added a drum loop to it. So the drum loop wasn't there when I played the flute and did the loop mangling. "Move Italia" is also a strict Mobius standalone looping performance (telecaster through fireworx --> looper laptop). "Journey" is strictly EDP (50w tube top + 1 12" closed cabinet miced into the EDP - it may sound "sequenced" because I was using a cello bow for playing the stratocaster at some part). "Saxing Out" is no looping at all, just some stuff programmed in Logic and a sax solo overdubbed. > As with the other tracks, I > hear sequenced stuff as well as your live looping. > When you play live, as in the gig today, do you > include that aspect? No. Plain "instrument ---> effects ---> looping". > If so, what hardware or software > are you using? Is it coming from the same laptop > that's running Mobius? How do it go? HOW DO IT GO?! I don't use additional sounds live. When producing recorded music I may refine a recorded looping performance by chopping up parts, moving them around, filtering, side- chaining dynamic effects or whatever. All that done in Logic. Recently I produced a recording of "live looping" without doing any looping at all. I set up a good mic and used a flute to play a big number of layers in a linear way, no looping - just recording. Of course I had imagined all layers and loops, so I knew how to play each layer without the need to hear them looped back "in orchesrtation". Then I made a big bowl of coffee and started chopping up the sound file in Logic and move my phrases into positions on parallel tracks to form the envisioned loop layers. Just the same old cheap way out that movie directors use when the do not shot everything in the order it will be presented in the movie, but rather in the order that is most convenient according to whether, geographic location etc. If you know the details you can simply fabricate them and glue them together later into the finished form. Also, things get less boring if you do them differently each time ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 08:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A513BED0; Thu, 4 May 2006 08:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ryan Raphael Subject: Beginner - what should I buy? Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:10:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <3Coz_D.A.jcB.bcbWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:11:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm a beginner looper... well, not even beginner, complete ignorant =20 novice! I guess I'm a songwriter, and I was interested on creating loops =20 live, not necessarily recording them ahead of time and then playing them live. Mainly, I want to know: -If I make one loop, can I create another one and have them play over =20= each other? -Is there a delay in the loops replay by a couple seconds? -Which is better, the Boomerang or Jamman. It seems the Boomerang has =20= more options for live looping than the Jamman. What I really care about it accuracy in its looping. I guess, but remember =96 I'm totally new to this. I haven't even =20 bought one yet. Thanks to anyone who can help. -rar414= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 09:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983273BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:04:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:04:51 +0000 (UTC) hey Andreas, Andrew and I had another interesting discussion tonight about this.=20 We've both been on and off this list over a period of time and note a=20 few things (generalized here) :-) 1) There is a new piece of looping hardware 2) Then come the feature requests..... 3) Then come the flame wars for what is missing.... 1) Then comes the next piece of hardware.... 2) Then come the feature requests..... 3) Then come the flame wars for what is missing.... ad infinitum....so far, anyway... I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of=20 Max/MSP. Maybe, rather than building a specifically featured looper (which would=20= have the same problems as the hardware...it would never have EVERY=20 feature everyone wanted), a specific toolkit/tutorial could be created=20= that would allow users to more easily focus on this aspect of Max: live=20= looping. I know there are experienced Max people on this list that will=20= say it is all in the tutorials/reference (which it is) but it is spread=20= out all over the place...unless there is something I have not seen,=20 which is totally possible. What is cool about this idea is that if the tutorial/toolkit could be=20 set up in modular sections, so people could build their own looper=20 easily and add what they needed, tutorials would teach how to modify it=20= to their specific needs...and the person could ignore that which they=20 didn't....Sample patches in the tutorials would get rid of the need to=20= do a lot of the "programming." for example, my looper was first made by=20= andrew, but then I got in it, saw how it worked, and modified the=20 interface to fit my needs...the modularity and modifiability would give=20= us all what we want: more! As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach=20 him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Well, maybe the same goes for a looper.... Anyway, this is all just in the idea stage right now. Regarding those odd posts on the max list....man, I just hit delete, I=20= have no idea what they are talking about....but I do grab some cool=20 ideas for my own patches off of that list..... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 4, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Hi Jeff! > > Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> this is a great idea and has been discussed between andrew pask and=20= >> myself.......we just haven't sat down to do it yet...I'm going to get=20= >> together with rick walker later this summer and will keep you all=20 >> posted. > > Cool. I guess as in all software the trickiest part is the=20 > specification - what do we want? "More!" - when do we want it? "Later=20= > this summer!" I would love to help out, perhaps draw up some=20 > suggestions, and I would certainly be interested in any development I=20= > could do - Macro recorder, anyone? :) If we do it right I know a few=20= > people who would be very interested, I think - hello Kid Beyond! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 09:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85ACF3BEE7; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Bruno K Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:26:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <2_FZmB.A.wjF.sjcWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Sorry guys, for some misterious reason, my brain looks much slower. I just didn't realised that we were talking about time so I just assumed that a major value results in a faster performance... thanks again to everybody for the patience and help bruno (256kb, 130ns) > 60ns and 70ns ram modules are faster than 120ns, so that won't be an > issue. > > Cheers, > Alwyn > >> The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain >> speed is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a >> necessary condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. >> The very few Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web >> are all 60 or 70 ns. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 09:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C8CD3BEE4; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wlBgjn3Xgko/Iw/MVh0B+k5BFIrP3swqMiFATAfiBNiZQz9hkyAZkwc93JhzHtVFEIQnj82xEx5zV3RihfVCg5YydWVrqBwCPgGFHb7gpM7TqPvJ9JmyS8NmCO+nfgDWbFD8oigq//3CM7dDsRPIQGNYeVCwKBxgXMuElWtj6Tc= ; Message-ID: <20060504093210.62835.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: BassLab hiring in production To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2069380846-1146735130=:51539" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:32:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-2069380846-1146735130=:51539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all... 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Hey all...
Just wanted to post a note that BassLab, a manufacturer of electric guitars and
basses, in Kassel, Germany - is looking for 2 reliable production workers. Many job openings also to come in a few months when we will be beginning a huge long-term project with a leading music tech company sponsoring a popular market line.
Good pay, will train - of course any previous luthier's or manufacturing experience
a plus. If you are looking for long term work or just income to fund your own summer
Euro-hedonism send email to Heiko Hopfinger at:
chefchen@basslab.de Serious inquiries only - and please no requests about
receiving free demo gear. Thanks!
Monica
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Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-2069380846-1146735130=:51539-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 10:25:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04DF3BEDF; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ec9VeIIGptCYJ5NFy4txt7dBGAG6B4HAhS0tilUXphVNI4WbsIsu7QOPiuSQwVWEXxqdqbsCX5fWfFzxunLUi1Y/R0TzxEaKeLVok5D6w9E+SBjC0ep4xO70TP3AQZ1b8Vpqlzl5JoDMc2inXTuJr83xbipWOkkNcqdJiSbN5R4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:25:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_SkmBC.A.gT.OadWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC) On 4 maj 2006, at 11.04, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > What is cool about this idea is that if the tutorial/toolkit could > be set up in modular sections, so people could build their own > looper easily and add what they needed, tutorials would teach how > to modify it to their specific needs...and the person could ignore > that which they didn't....Sample patches in the tutorials would get > rid of the need to do a lot of the "programming." for example, my > looper was first made by andrew, but then I got in it, saw how it > worked, and modified the interface to fit my needs...the modularity > and modifiability would give us all what we want: more! > > Anyway, this is all just in the idea stage right now. A great idea! I've been holding off from buying MAX for years now, but maybe I won't stand without it much longer... ;-) One issue always was the time needed to cook up a good live looping patch, but with a community interest it may be a quicker process. All the MAX users I've known in the past seemed more interested in Max than in music ;-) but maybe that's just my own false perception based on minimal Max experience? Max is also rather expensive; do you think a good price can be achieved if enough people join up for a "group buy"? > I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility > of Max/MSP. Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting with Mobius and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. Things that looks interesting with Max, besides its long tradition of being the main controlling interface for multi media, is the new ReWire compatibility. I also own and love the Pluggo suite, which is know for being developed in Max. I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans for supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about that? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 10:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ED013BEDD; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:36:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4459D942.40908@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 11:25:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA183BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:25:23 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > hey Andreas, > > Andrew and I had another interesting discussion tonight about this. > We've both been on and off this list over a period of time and note a >... > I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of > Max/MSP. > > Maybe, rather than building a specifically featured looper (which would > have the same problems as the hardware...it would never have EVERY > feature everyone wanted), a specific toolkit/tutorial could be created > that would allow users to more easily focus on this aspect of Max: live > looping. Yes, of course. I wouldn't be interested in some standalone-y app. anyway - I want to tinker. People have had good results doing objects that allow the user to use maxMSP as a higher-level modular; free object libraries such as www.jamoma.org are the way to go, I would say - to make one that's totally centered around looping/recording/retriggering would be a swell thing to do as a community. I know there are experienced Max people on this list that will > say it is all in the tutorials/reference (which it is) but it is spread > out all over the place...unless there is something I have not seen, > which is totally possible. I'm installing jamoma tonight, to see what the fuss is about, but yes, going to www.maxobjects.com and searching for "looping" isn't really what's cool. > Sample patches in the tutorials would get rid of the need to > do a lot of the "programming." for example, my looper was first made by > andrew, but then I got in it, saw how it worked, and modified the > interface to fit my needs... Exactly. Tuts. And lots of them, with examples. > > As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach > him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Yes indeed, and I'm a firm believer in that, but to be honest, a lot of the max-ochists take it too far - Heaven only knows how many loop-recorders have been designed from scratch over the years, reinventing the wheel is such a bore. If I had a solid platform to start with I wouldn't have to spend countless hours building basic functionality in there. sigh. A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 11:32:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9C43BED8; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:32:03 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1C8-FD.A.MlD.3YeWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: do you think a good price can > be achieved if enough people join up for a "group buy"? They already have a quantity discount system in place, so that shouldn't be a problem: MaxMSP: 1-4 copies: $495.00 each 5-14 copies: $297.00 each 15-24 copies: $257.40 each 25-49 copies: $198.00 each 50-99 copies: $128.70 each 100+ copies: $79.20 each Also, they have student pricing which is 250$, as far as I remember. >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of >> Max/MSP. > > Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting with Mobius > and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. Hehe, you better believe it ;) You could even load Mobius inside Max as well, and use max objects to control it - fractal loopin' for instance. Or serialist looping - now there's an oxymoron, hehe. > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans for > supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about that? Apparently it's not that far off now. I'm shooting for a major release this summer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 12:24:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54A33BECF; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5171059.1146745451004.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 5:24:10 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Digitech EX-7 Expression pedal for sale Cc: "loop.pool" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Yes. I purchased one recently for $199.99 from AMS and I really like the pedal. A lot of folks on Harmony-Central were bitchin' because one can't save ones patches - and that's true - but it still rocks (literally!). -- Paul Richards ---- "loop.pool" wrote: > I just purchased a Digitech EX-7 expression pedal > (they just came out) and realize that it does not do precisely what > my old Digitech Red Whammy Pedal did so I'm going to put it > on e-bay unless someone is interested in buying it here and re purchase my > Digitech which died. > > The EX-7 is pretty amazing: in the footprint of a typical wah wah or volume > pedal it incorporates: > > two different kinds of wah (Clyde McCoy and a Dunlop Crybaby) > a volume pedal > 7 distortion models and seven different cabinet simulations. > the digitech Whammy pedal pitch shifter > the digitech Space Station 'Synth Swell' > the ADA flanger ( a very hip analogue flanger) > a leslie speaker digital modelling replete with sweeping leslie speeds > a Unichord Uni-Vibe chorus > > It's a hell of a lot of bang for the buck and e-bay is advertising several > at a buy it now price of $199 (not including shipping). > > I'll sell mine for $190 including shipping. It's in perfect condition with > all packaging and a power supply. > > It's still on warranty as I just bought it. > I have a paypal account if you are interested. > > I don't think you can beat that price anywhere and I'd just as soon sell it > to a family member as a stranger > at E-Strange. > > email me off list at rickwalker(at sign)looppool(dot sign)info if you > would like it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 13:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB323BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:59:00 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: <2f0c1046da890941d569705ab7b62700@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ce01c66f82$e5680930$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for asking about the guitar. It's not "super"-vintage, but it's a 1978 tobacco sunburst Guild Artist Award that I picked up about 10 years ago - gorgeous guitar, carved top, etc. If I have my history right, it's a "pre-Fender Guild", for whatever that's worth. Someone told me they thought it might be a "New Hampshire Guild", which apparently is some special thing that I can't seem to track down, but I don't know. I didn't include a picture here because of the chronic bandwidth complaints, but there's one on the home page at www.warrensirota.com. That's me playing it when I still had (some) hair. It's a great guitar, but, when I'm totally unsentimental about it, I'm not convinced that you couldn't get a plywood-top guitar that sounds just as good amplified (acoustic is another story) for half the price. OTOH, plywood-top archtops seem to be rather overpriced themselves these days (I had a Gibson ES 175 that I got used in '76 or so for $600 and sold in about 1988 or 90 to a music store for about the same amt - I can't believe what those decent-but-hardly-stellar guitars are going for now. Mine only had one pickup and hardly any "bite", so I'm sure the 2-pickup models have a better sound and are worth more. Still.... over $3K new? Seems over the top to me). Every time I mentally try on the idea of selling the Guild, something inside rebels (especially since I'm doing regular jazz gigs once again). But, I could probably pick up a good used plywood-top archtop (like maybe a Gretsch Bryan Setzer?) *and* a Selmer clone, *and* a Tele and still have money left over from what this guitar would fetch, so I think about that possibility. And, actually, I would like to get a better soldbody MIDI controller than my current one (an excellent guitar made from Warmouth and other parts, but not a great controller). Of course, getting all these guitars doesn't do anything for the real issue, which is having the time to master the styles that they're made for and a context in which to use them! There's just so much money that I can keep in equipment stock at any time - sometimes tough choices must be made. (Although, vintage guitars are a better investment vehicle than many others, so maybe I should just try and persuade my wife that guitars are important retirement investments, and we should put as much money as we can into the best instruments possible. Yeah, that's the ticket...) Right now, since I'm gigging, I'll probably just put some gig money into giving the Guild a top-notch fret job (it's ready), and then maybe I'll start saving for the next instrument. Given where I'm going with looping right now, that instrument will probably be a solidbody MIDI controller to complement my nylon-string controller. I'm predisposed toward getting one of the Godins, since I really like my nylon-string, but I'm going to have to research Tele-style MIDI controllers too (don't think I've seen one yet, but I'm sure they must be available. Maybe even from Fender). Given the gig rate at present, it'll probably be close to the end of the year before I actually spring for one, unless an unforseen windfall occurs. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > Warren; > Just curious - what kind of vintage archtop are you playing? I'm an > Epi player/ recovering collector :). - Paul > On May 3, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I > > often > > debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop > and using > > the > > proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? > One or two > > other > > guitars, to be sure. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > >> > >> > >> Hey Warren, > >> > >> I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started > with a Gitane > >> (Saga) 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small > >> oval hole. Cost me > >> around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast > >> attack, quick > >> decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta > >> use those light > >> silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping > >> w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent > >> dunlop pick, > >> but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like > >> Wegens (at 15 bucks > >> a pop! I've only got one!!). > >> > >> The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier than an > >> electric 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I > traded up > >> for a John Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a > >> grand. Warmer tone > >> (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a > >> real chunky > >> selmeroid neck- highly recommended. > >> > >> Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a > whole slew of > >> GJ guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - > >> plus he's got a > >> guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right > >> out the box > >> (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). > >> > >> I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I wouldn't > >> hesitate to buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really > >> serious about this > >> style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale > >> (Deii'Arte, maybe?) > >> from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine > guitar.. Angelo > >> DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded > >> just as good as > >> any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a > >> Hofner!?! if > >> memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. > >> > >> > >> Hope this helps! > >> > >> david > >> > >>> From: Warren Sirota > >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > >>> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > >>> any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > >>>> > >>>> I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as > >> well, Django's > >>>> always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made > >>>> Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - > >>>> everybody knows you've got to have a $2500 guitar to > play Django) > >>>> but if I sat in a room practicing > >>>> for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd > >> you pay for > >>> it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22FBB3BEDB; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:09:40 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Digitech EX-7 Expression pedal for sale X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M" Message-Id: <20060504.071005.26277.877347@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1089137189 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5EgQVTaiQLV+LzLUcAgnolh4gH70UmrJyg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.146|webmail06.nyc.untd.com|webmail06.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Hi Paul, I too recently purchased one of these and like it. Works great with = the roland dd-20 and a loop station! = Weg ----__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Hi Paul,

   I too recently purchased one of these and like it. = Works great with the roland dd-20 and a loop station!

 

Weg

----__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9283BEE4; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=wVkdAeQub20XpWcDk7W0tne8jN8DrD8JfN/DSQZvODgTRPVddMhoaAFK6IgYs9rDTqE93q8CJzs00dIo/7ba53bV53aWCKo8ckTI4zrZGQ/vBEUffODy0Wp+kk2UCBCbzobMsUOAMQmgvbeblyk6QI6EvHIFN2rE5klopg8HqVs= ; Message-ID: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:11:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:36 +0000 (UTC) From: "Per": > (...). Also, things get less boring if you do them differently each time > ;-) Yes, that's something I'm after for my listening experience. I'm trying some generative experiments now, it's so boring to have to listen to the same record over and over. Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) fragments of audio in random order? I tried to burn a lot of wav file on a CD and use the random function of my CD player but: 1- the delay between 2 tracks is huge (even if there is a lot of silence in some minimalist tracks) 2- the noise made by the player when changing tracks is disturbing. One solution is 2 use several players but then the piece would better be in the ambient area, otherwise I would find it too experimental ;-) And anyway ,there would still be problem number 2. I didn't tried a mp3 player yet but I guess problem N°1 is still there. Software ways? Except Koan which seems quite Creative labs oriented (soundfonts), are there other alternatives? Should we ask manufacturers for a "loop" player: a kind of LP-1 with random functions and sync between tracks so everytime you hear a track it's slightly different? We just have to "prepare" some alternative layers and the player will remix/re-arrange on the fly. Just dreaming, Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F93A3BED8; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:24:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) At 4:11 PM +0200 5/4/06, Ben wrote: > >Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) >fragments of audio in random order? Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI notes in a random order? That still depends on a computer to stochastically generate the MIDI notes, but you could probably just dump some long sequences to a hardware sequencer, then play/manipulate them back at random. Just a thought... --m. -- _______ "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:40:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498A93BEE1; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445A125B.8020501@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:40:27 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > At 4:11 PM +0200 5/4/06, Ben wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) >> fragments of audio in random order? > > Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each > key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI > notes in a random order? > > That still depends on a computer to stochastically generate the MIDI > notes, but you could probably just dump some long sequences to a > hardware sequencer, then play/manipulate them back at random. > > Just a thought... > > --m. The software media-player Foobar2000 does quite seamless shuffle playback. Free. Easy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:42:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 969333BEEA; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01ce01c66f82$e5680930$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <01ce01c66f82$e5680930$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2d216a77ca9ad15668c44c0a32d30348@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:42:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Warren; That is one great guitar. I love Guilds - they have an Epiphone play/ feel. Guild started in NY ('52/'53) and the workforce included many of Epiphones finest craftsman who didn't want to relocate when Epiphone moved operations to Phila.(?). The body shapes/ designs and neck profile matches those of the Epi's from the same period. The guitar you have is their top of the line archtop and is from their New Hampshire production period - small operation = more care/ hands on construction. Vintage "market price" on your guitar is around $5000, probably more. I would advise not selling it unless, of course, you just don't like it - it would be one of those "kick yourself in the butt" memories you'd look back on. You are correct on the plywood guitar observation. (I'd highly recommend the Epiphone Elitist series Broadway if you're looking for a professional quality gigging electric archtop that is every bit comparable to a Gibson L5 but for 1/4 the price - I AB'd them.) If interested: I've got a couple pics of some of my guitars at << http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/PhotoAlbum12.html >> The '30's Epiphone Emperor (gibson/epi reissue - 1992) is my main gigging guitar for solo/ small ensemble gigs. (I did put an Armstrong floating pickup on the pickguard since the photo was taken.) Thanks for chatting. Take care. - Paul On May 4, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Thanks for asking about the guitar. > > It's not "super"-vintage, but it's a 1978 tobacco sunburst Guild Artist > Award that I picked up about 10 years ago - gorgeous guitar, carved > top, > etc. If I have my history right, it's a "pre-Fender Guild", for > whatever > that's worth. Someone told me they thought it might be a "New Hampshire > Guild", which apparently is some special thing that I can't seem to > track > down, but I don't know. I didn't include a picture here because of the > chronic bandwidth complaints, but there's one on the home page at > www.warrensirota.com. That's me playing it when I still had (some) > hair. > > > It's a great guitar, but, when I'm totally unsentimental about it, I'm > not > convinced that you couldn't get a plywood-top guitar that sounds just > as > good amplified (acoustic is another story) for half the price. OTOH, > plywood-top archtops seem to be rather overpriced themselves these > days (I > had a Gibson ES 175 that I got used in '76 or so for $600 and sold in > about > 1988 or 90 to a music store for about the same amt - I can't believe > what > those decent-but-hardly-stellar guitars are going for now. Mine only > had one > pickup and hardly any "bite", so I'm sure the 2-pickup models have a > better > sound and are worth more. Still.... over $3K new? Seems over the top > to me). > > > Every time I mentally try on the idea of selling the Guild, something > inside > rebels (especially since I'm doing regular jazz gigs once again). But, > I > could probably pick up a good used plywood-top archtop (like maybe a > Gretsch > Bryan Setzer?) *and* a Selmer clone, *and* a Tele and still have money > left > over from what this guitar would fetch, so I think about that > possibility. > And, actually, I would like to get a better soldbody MIDI controller > than my > current one (an excellent guitar made from Warmouth and other parts, > but not > a great controller). > > Of course, getting all these guitars doesn't do anything for the real > issue, > which is having the time to master the styles that they're made for > and a > context in which to use them! > > There's just so much money that I can keep in equipment stock at any > time - > sometimes tough choices must be made. (Although, vintage guitars are a > better investment vehicle than many others, so maybe I should just try > and > persuade my wife that guitars are important retirement investments, > and we > should put as much money as we can into the best instruments possible. > Yeah, > that's the ticket...) > > Right now, since I'm gigging, I'll probably just put some gig money > into > giving the Guild a top-notch fret job (it's ready), and then maybe I'll > start saving for the next instrument. Given where I'm going with > looping > right now, that instrument will probably be a solidbody MIDI > controller to > complement my nylon-string controller. I'm predisposed toward getting > one of > the Godins, since I really like my nylon-string, but I'm going to have > to > research Tele-style MIDI controllers too (don't think I've seen one > yet, but > I'm sure they must be available. Maybe even from Fender). Given the > gig rate > at present, it'll probably be close to the end of the year before I > actually > spring for one, unless an unforseen windfall occurs. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:01:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74BC73BEDB; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xq9Dqo0Q2IbECOOHhj3rwnDgpiZm/sETPdPLCjhoIaT12J1/9uGE8/VJ35gXTS5pD+aIAs6btTw9cLffJ2Gz4qOJF+HM1Ei8mPbwKDoD0oV9+GGFXIq4pKH1pj8Hfv7TuPN2M/WNEccq88LEyY3iIur9xnqt9a+Ymycl0OXgtvA= In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:00:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Per": >> (...). Also, things get less boring if you do them differently >> each time ;-) > On 4 maj 2006, at 16.11, Ben wrote: > Yes, that's something I'm after for my listening experience. > I'm trying some generative experiments now, it's so boring to have > to listen to the same record over and over. > Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) > fragments of audio in random order? Ableton Live. You can set the probability for two actions to occur. Actions are which audio fragment to play next, and "play random fragment" is one of the options. If you want to check it out with Live this function is to be found inside the (clip) Launch Box and it's called "Follow Actions". Nord Lead G2 has some useful synth/filter random functionality for generative music. > I tried to burn a lot of wav file on a CD and use the random > function of my CD player but: > 1- the delay between 2 tracks is huge (even if there is a lot of > silence in some minimalist tracks) > 2- the noise made by the player when changing tracks is disturbing. Once I saw/heard an installation similar to that when visiting an Audio Art Exhibition. Someone had put seven CD players in a room with CD's of different sinus tones; each CD track = a new note pitch. Then all seven machines were set to random play. Sounded very cool. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8676A3BEE7; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: <2d216a77ca9ad15668c44c0a32d30348@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fd01c66f8c$15a83e90$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I feel like one of those people on "Antiques Roadshow". Cool! Thanks for the info, Paul. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was > RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > Warren; > That is one great guitar. I love Guilds - they have an > Epiphone play/ > feel. Guild started in NY ('52/'53) and the workforce > included many of > Epiphones finest craftsman who didn't want to relocate when Epiphone > moved operations to Phila.(?). The body shapes/ designs and neck > profile matches those of the Epi's from the same period. The guitar > you have is their top of the line archtop and is from their New > Hampshire production period - small operation = more care/ hands on > construction. Vintage "market price" on your guitar is around $5000, > probably more. I would advise not selling it unless, of course, you > just don't like it - it would be one of those "kick yourself in the > butt" memories you'd look back on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17963BEF0; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) In-reply-to: <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fe01c66f8c$160ec890$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) I hesitate to promote my vaporware, but, with my apologies for that... I've got this multitrack sw looper written in Max/MSP. Believe me, even though the very basics of recording into a buffer are easy, turning this into a functional, bulletproof application is a big job (unless I'm *lots* lamer as a programmer than I believe to be true). But one idea I've been toying with for the release strategy for this product was to open it up for extension by MAX/MSP programmers. Most of the functionality is controlled by MAX messages which could easily be sent/received in auxiliary modules. I'm sure that if I officially "open it up" I will have to add more control points and adapt some code, but MAX is a pretty ideal environment for this kind of extensibility. I could set up a forum on my Web site to handle development issues. Am I correct to infer from this discussion is that there might be interest in such a thing? Would there be interest in participating in developing addins for a product that was a commercial product (I have way too much time invested in this project to make the core looper free, but it will be quite affordable)? You would own your own addins, and could do with them what you please (the web site would host links to free and commercial addins, and who knows what other creative combinations could be made). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig > today :-) > > > Per Boysen wrote: > do you think a good price can > > be achieved if enough people join up for a "group buy"? > > They already have a quantity discount system in place, so > that shouldn't > be a problem: > MaxMSP: > 1-4 copies: $495.00 each > 5-14 copies: $297.00 each > 15-24 copies: $257.40 each > 25-49 copies: $198.00 each > 50-99 copies: $128.70 each > 100+ copies: $79.20 each > > Also, they have student pricing which is 250$, as far as I remember. > > >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the > flexibility of > >> Max/MSP. > > > > Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting > with Mobius > > and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. > Hehe, you better believe it ;) You could even load Mobius > inside Max as > well, and use max objects to control it - fractal loopin' for > instance. > Or serialist looping - now there's an oxymoron, hehe. > > > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on > their plans > > for > > supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know > about that? > > Apparently it's not that far off now. I'm shooting for a > major release > this summer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B32F3BEFA; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K6JNdZpAE7tm9xfsy+ilAV8JblC7D2BOzcXXgKbahdjRx28vfbmxYv5WH5/lFW0nGF1BG78V6+JnwPHOG0aCUZfisfFQNgIbX9MDumTM6IvU/MT0Ift6rZADVNH/+wUmfW8/VvAPAKD8BfYkN4IfOCmOwwaOKQfD4PaG1ophlzQ= In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ABCB4FF-723D-4BEE-9FEA-8B8D80C38DE1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:03:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:24 +0000 (UTC) On 4 maj 2006, at 16.11, Ben wrote: > Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) > fragments of audio in random order? oopsss... I forgot to tell that Logic can also do this. IN the MIDI domain though, but if you drive a sampler with those randomly generated notes I guess you will be quite close to your goal. Look for an environment object named "Transformer" in Logic and set it to "random note numbers". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:03:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF3193BF05; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:09:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Hello ryan, I have only worked with a lexicon jamman aswell as an electrix repeater. Both units are out of sale, the repeater stores up to 24 minutes of loops on a special 128 mb compact flash card whereas the jamman doesn't store anything. As long as you can count the jamman is the better device for live looping in my experience, it works much faster than the repeater, though uit has a severe shortage on ram/looping time: with maximum ram you got only 32 seconds of loop time to be split into up to 8 loops. I hop ethat helps. I am using the jamman still, although out of production since like 12 years. It is a very fast and well sounding (though 12 bit) tool. The repeater, especially on higher PA volume settings shows a harsher sound, bad converters I guess, although it samples in 16bit and offers all kinds of stuff like pitch changing and timestretching. I guess you'd get th emost advice from the "tools of the trade" section on loopers-deligth.com then Hope that helps jrp --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope Next live: - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18DC83BEF1; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MgjB0oy0UT8wRQMja4XiFjgcqQHIgjDdTlpNWA+a1AHtSet8nBSUsLacnHug4vrytyXmtPhvIoy7GHiyvCO4vVWg04JpRmszJNCalnH6K4WlGOfJmrTIBUEhw8nwEf1qPhe8zU077UhiqU+IgvHsVOFzLVdx7+6e/EAkC9y7rIA= Message-ID: <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:15:52 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:15:52 +0000 (UTC) for a cheap alternative there is always the Boss RC-20XL or the Digitech jamman...the digitech jamman has the ability to take your loops and store them on the computer...i'd say for a beginner, that'd be as good a looper as anything...I'd give that one a try... Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:35:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9432E3BEE6; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:37:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: <2d216a77ca9ad15668c44c0a32d30348@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022101c66f90$b21963e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0lsxHB.A.gb.V9hWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Nice graphics at your site, btw. And that Elitist Broadway does indeed look like a fine guitar for the money. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > them.) If interested: I've got a couple pics of some of my > guitars at << > http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/PhotoAlbum12.html >> > The '30's Epiphone Emperor (gibson/epi reissue - 1992) is my main > gigging guitar for solo/ small ensemble gigs. (I did put an > Armstrong From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 139EF3BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=w5QasSqFOqb29CcLs9z+yZ6V4ASxsjKZfD5qYdIcST7QmIB0xrR4fUHzUJ+guJ43le5/ol3uFgL87mPIy87Q1wf4bGhT7BtJ9HLONoVIvsD5nTNmDLUSYYtPWDTlLQgKDRvwe/IiwuEZe7vg1noIwBjr056KZePeXQA9NwuscZg= ; Message-ID: <030401c66f91$667c96e0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, a sampler or Ableton live or ... is a solution FOR me. I was perhaps not clear in my intention (my english is so-so) but the idea is also to distribute the music in this generative form. Same idea as Eno with his "generative music 1" album. You can't ask every listener to have the same sampler or SW that you've got. It was the reason why general midi was invented, to give a common listening experience. Here I would like to go a step further so that the sounds are the same, not depending of the hardware (crappy soundcard vs $$$ synth). I guess with the technology we have, DVD, 5.1 and so on it should be possible to give a new dimension to the listening. CD is aging. I think a lot of videogames use this concept. So the idea is to create the "pieces" of the puzzle and a player recompose the song on the fly. Single notes or small sequences. But perhaps am I just the only one that feel bored after having listened 5x to the sames record? (I just had an idea: a mp3 player connected to a delay pedal: this should fill the "gaps" between tracks.) Thanks to all of you for you answers. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > At 4:11 PM +0200 5/4/06, Ben wrote: >> >>Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) fragments of >>audio in random order? > > Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each > key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI > notes in a random order? > > That still depends on a computer to stochastically generate the MIDI > notes, but you could probably just dump some long sequences to a hardware > sequencer, then play/manipulate them back at random. > > Just a thought... > > --m. > -- > _______ > "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." > ___________________________________________________________________________ Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C5A43BEDF; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:48:10 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Douglas Baldwin Message-id: <029f01c66f9a$b2bcc440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-MKzQC.A.yDD.pAjWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to listen to other musicians. "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. Click on or paste into your web window: www.thecoyote.org Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. Best wishes to all, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:55:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C80C3BEF1; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c66f9b$7e938950$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:54:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) > Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each > key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI > notes in a random order? Has anybody here played with FMusic - fractal/cellular automata generator. It's fun and while not random, it does generate some interesting sequences. http://www.fractal-vibes.com/fm/ Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5638D3BEFB; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:55:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) On May 4, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > One issue always was the time needed to cook up a good live looping > patch, but with a community interest it may be a quicker process. yup. > All the MAX users I've known in the past seemed more interested in Max > than in music ;-) but maybe that's just my own false perception based > on minimal Max experience? I think there is probably a division of people, but yeah, there are certainly people like that....having played with so many "laptop" players that don't know how to make music breath...laptopitis: from the time they get on stage they never look up and never stop making sound...drives me nuts....what good is a new "sound" if it is not used in a creative way....compositionally, texturally, dynamically.... > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans > for supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about > that? Cycling74 seems to be a very responsive company, actually, pretty amazing at responding to needs of users, so should be soon, from the chatter I hear on the max list..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5741C3BEF5; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:59:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:59:41 +0000 (UTC) > Heaven only knows how many loop-recorders have been designed from > scratch over the years, reinventing the wheel is such a bore. If I had > a solid platform to start with I wouldn't have to spend countless > hours building basic functionality in there. sigh. It is, isn't it? (A bore!) Somebody always saying, "look at helpfile for buffer~," "look at groove~"......it gets OLD fast.....that is why this needs to, and will, be done...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:14:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB753BECC; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lFJZO5mPmL7B3DFcQaxcfQMVmFmzW4YwVMFDI36n2q12mQy2sjUl4X2b5Eq1OtL69G0WsBjNGlb92kYTrZo+JZ7hPgT1nUItnWX8CCuVNVrFF2HiePnIwjCTB+FqUqxGF4R6ZeuEkv5RruMSaTEZzYLtFS0HPokad18KADJjXUQ= ; Message-ID: <20060504181433.21401.qmail@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029f01c66f9a$b2bcc440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Hey Douglas, Congrats again! I actually ordered your book from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. Got a notice a day or two ago that it had shipped, so I'm expecting it to show up soon. Should be fun, perhaps someday I'll finish this house addition and actually have time to LOOK at the book! Greg --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- > > I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." > Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover > book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and > indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands > of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative > to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By > Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing > insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to > listen to other musicians. > > "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can > order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order > the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. > Click on or paste into your web window: > www.thecoyote.org > Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few > boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. > > Best wishes to all, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:21:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EEB13BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <45ba977cc76143a2ada4b9b5a2a65711@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Ventura New Music Festival Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:21:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:21:05 +0000 (UTC) This Saturday, May 6.....12pm-10pm.... Featuring some people from this list and more.......Jeff Kaiser and=20 Andrew Pask (playing without their loopers in their sick Choir Boys=20 "rock" band" with Brad Dutz, Jim Connolly, Tom McNalley), Ted Killian,=20= Steuart Liebig and the Mentones, Wayne Peet Trio (including Nels=20 Cline)...and many more.... A nice article in a local paper about it http://tinyurl.com/nn3xp For the full schedule and list of participants: http://www.vnmf.com/ Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AB6B3BEDF; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1146767188.445a4754c41fd@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:26:28 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: <2AnJYD.A.7j.VdkWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Do musicians want to be programmers? > As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach > him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." or "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he spends all his time tying flies in the basement and neglecting his personal hygeine", Jimmy James, News Radio hehe peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:34:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E3A3BEE2; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YhnPvoP90qAQN54772H+Kukfc0zXxoelOCTI+cAFFW0IOcXomQinTmc4SnSZBYhsxH1Qyp0ISWoFyPoxtp3+Wm7vFMtpC3AJTGns6nPY9oI1m+HEmcKEl+Z/aZB/nyvLqBE7HvP0v1hpvCOuAhRme2DmuJsE7HYcil5YwVVkGGY= Message-ID: <2665e0c50605041134m133e874wa527747fd720f3c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:34:13 -0500 From: "Ben M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? In-Reply-To: <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250" References: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:34:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I love my Repeater more than I think is entirely necessary or legal! I used a boomerang (nightmare for me!) before that and also the Boss RC-20. I guess yours is always kind of a hard question to answer, because the type of looper(s) you should buy really depends on what kind of performing you'r= e wanting to do, and that's something you can never really know until you get one and start fooling around with it. The good news is that the trade on e-bay for looping boxes is pretty high, so the worst case scenario is that you buy one, you hate it, sell it for a little less than what you bought it for, and move on :-) In the three that I've used, I've found that the Repeater has the "truest" (I don't know what word to use here hahaha) sound. There are some hum/clicking issues with the Repeater from time to time, and it is a tempermental box to be sure. But, unlike the 'Rang and the Boss RC-20, there is less of a tendency to compress or distort the quality of tracks th= e more you overdub (layer new tracks on top of existing tracks). Then again, for some people (like violinist Andrew Bird), the particular sound of the RC-20 really fits right in with his whole musical aesthetic. If you are a beginner, then I don't think there's a need to go plunk $1500 on a Looperlative. Find something to get your feet wet, see what kind of sounds come out of you, and go from there. I hope this poorly worded e-mail and my dead brain's inability to find the right jargon have been helpful! Good luck! Best wishes, Ben ------=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I love my Repeater more than I think is entirely necessary or legal!
 
I used a boomerang (nightmare for me!) before that and also the Boss R= C-20.  I guess yours is always kind of a hard question to answer, beca= use the type of looper(s) you should buy really depends on what kind of per= forming you're wanting to do, and that's something you can never really kno= w until you get one and start fooling around with it. =20
 
The good news is that the trade on e-bay for looping boxes is pretty h= igh, so the worst case scenario is that you buy one, you hate it, sell it f= or a little less than what you bought it for, and move on :-)
 
In the three that I've used, I've found that the Repeater has the &quo= t;truest" (I don't know what word to use here hahaha) sound.  The= re are some hum/clicking issues with the Repeater from time to time, and it= is a tempermental box to be sure.  But, unlike the 'Rang and the Boss= RC-20, there is less of a tendency to compress or distort the qu= ality of tracks the more you overdub (layer new tracks on top of = existing tracks).  Then again, for some people (like violinist Andrew = Bird), the particular sound of the RC-20 really fits right in with his whol= e musical aesthetic.
 
If you are a beginner, then I don't think there's a need to go plunk $= 1500 on a Looperlative.  Find something to get your feet wet, see what= kind of sounds come out of you, and go from there.
 
I hope this poorly worded e-mail and my dead brain's inability to find= the right jargon have been helpful!  Good luck! 
 
Best wishes,
Ben
------=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 19:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790BE3BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XAqSFHaNqdLWvGZpQKnV+TftiziPRgQOqqQP7+dFIRcN8mmwivS12ADQxiN7m4yJS3L/sV7sVblQD2jLRb7+TY+4SXvTsYMPLQSFpVJITJQgZvzkilDK7qmtkKRB39yMfnOva64sZHwNR8uXGxsrDFU4VP13/oxxrRcrnuVk+is= ; Message-ID: <20060504193513.40275.qmail@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029f01c66f9a$b2bcc440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Woo hoo! My wife just called and said there was a box from Amazon waiting for me at the house. That should contain your book (amonst other things). Greg --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- > > I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." > Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover > book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and > indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands > of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative > to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By > Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing > insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to > listen to other musicians. > > "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can > order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order > the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. > Click on or paste into your web window: > www.thecoyote.org > Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few > boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. > > Best wishes to all, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 19:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D66C23BED8; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:36:06 -0700 Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1146767188.445a4754c41fd@webmail.musetrap.com> Message-Id: <3B081490-DBA5-11DA-B786-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:08 +0000 (UTC) On Thursday, May 4, 2006, at 11:26 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Do musicians want to be programmers? > >> As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach >> him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." > > or > > "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, > and he > spends all his time tying flies in the basement and neglecting his > personal > hygeine", Jimmy James, News Radio > > hehe > > Or my favorite, courtesy Fletcher from the TapeOp messageboard: "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll shut the f@ck up and go fishing." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 19:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36143BEF0; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e3Z9gfCCyR8JfHhtBDbjvFEOCEYekNZ2gfa2lu8Yaj99DVh527XC/1keqlCm/9QbvwUpZcS0aRIBax17WkDAYL/7Rw405mxFhZ7s3pr96x12ZKU/ynK6Mx8zQhkkpxxSb1aIkUSCQVP3pCuNQSWBKfNKoVHl9jgwEjnNggo9xE8= ; Message-ID: <20060504193630.4337.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060504181433.21401.qmail@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Q97O.A.QmD._elWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Apologies to the list, I intended this message (and my followup...) to go only to Douglas. Greg --- Greg House wrote: > Hey Douglas, > > Congrats again! I actually ordered your book from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. > Got a notice a day or two ago that it had shipped, so I'm expecting it to show > up > soon. Should be fun, perhaps someday I'll finish this house addition and > actually > have time to LOOK at the book! > > Greg > > --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- > > > > I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." > > Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover > > book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and > > indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands > > of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative > > to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By > > Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing > > insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to > > listen to other musicians. > > > > "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can > > order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order > > the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. > > Click on or paste into your web window: > > www.thecoyote.org > > Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few > > boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. > > > > Best wishes to all, > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 20:35:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C42833BED3; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: another word about the number one hit howto Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:35:41 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001c01c66fba$504d6f10$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZvuk+wO7KpMGSDTFu0FUBfZeYLPA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) what I liked best in the manual (which is, to remind you, from the late Eighties) is: "It's obvious that in a very short space of time the Japanese will have delivered the technology and then brought the price of it down so that you can do the whole thing at home. Then you will be able to sod off all that crap about going into studios." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 21:24:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADD8F3BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yQLC4O16qER3ppF1YaDN1mHAu1gMdfJ1iQumTsKT0tS1mVQXSkPt5p2MW1z6zdXDC9YgVwz0ypNjOQ1t13VGWdZa1t5uaeWee0+PHZk+4eLmUcdGXSrjb0cCLYE5m4L4tstpGLWkgclehlzbuIIylykO217C5Psj4XuE3TzEedQ= ; Message-ID: <20060504212449.44045.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2665e0c50605041134m133e874wa527747fd720f3c6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gOUeC.A.PuH.kEnWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) I don't think loop accuracy is something you need to be thinking about, I think all modern loopers will make a loop fairly precicely based on your input. That does take practice. I'm not awear of any loopers that do mulitpal loops that make you pause in between loops either. Really, you probably want to start thinking about *how* you're going to use it and then go from there. What's your budget? Maybe a used JamMan (the original lexicon) may be for you. It's a pretty good place to start. My friend Andy came over last week with one and he made damn good use of it. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 22:38:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9C43BED3; Thu, 4 May 2006 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tgAfKdjNxGIt4ou7l3dE+U8AeOXnne4Wr3jE330y//8p6OL/txfFFX9HxZq1LQQrA7BJzLg4aB286fqlqFg412TmR/HQXD6GJGmZyu/HMlR6LO/n6coXezSWLKe/KTt6JjnXU2wqQUv/aChWH+27Q9CksgvQZm0QHf139GaGHS8= ; Message-ID: <20060504223759.87068.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060504212449.44045.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm wondering how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 002693BECC; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fc01c66fdf$e4aed110$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: "Visual Arts League" , , "T ." , , "Krispen Hartung" , "Jeff Abrams" , "David Foster" , "Aaron Davis" , "Anneliessa Balk Stimpert" , "Samuel F Stimpert" , "TED KILLIAN" , "Ted Apel" , "RICK WALKER" , "nbweber" , "Nate Paradis" , "lucio menegon" , "JOE RUT - Lumper/Splitter" , "Jeremy Jensen" , "Jeff Rice" , "Jeff Kaiser" , "Jared Hallock" , "Gretchen Jude" , "George McLean" , "elijah jensen" , "Bonefish Sam" , "AlejAndro Anastasio" , "Art Hodge" , "Thad Povey" , "nico luminous" , "Michael Peters" , , Subject: First Batch of MP3s & Photos from Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:04:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.boisemusicians.com) (http://www.boisemusic) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 550, in=289492, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:05:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - The first night's recordings of the Boise Experimental Music Festival = (BEMF) are now posted on the BEMF website. I have also posted many = photos and a few videos. http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental (click "Sound & Video" or = "Images") I will be posting the Saturday recordings and more photos early next = week to complete this "virtual festival". Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all -
 
The first night's recordings of = the=20 Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF) are now = posted on=20 the BEMF website. I have also posted many photos and a few = videos.
 
http://www.boisemusic= ians.com/experimental (click=20 "Sound & Video" or "Images")
 
I will be posting the Saturday = recordings and more=20 photos early next week to complete this "virtual festival".
 
Cheers,
 
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Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:07:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A320A3BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.27.164):SA:0(-0.7/5.0):. Processed in 3.326846 secs Process 31418) Message-ID: <445AA55B.3000205@swyatt.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 02:07:39 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? References: <20060504223759.87068.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060504223759.87068.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0618-2, 05/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled > Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm wondering > how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on > it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run? I'd hold off on getting a MacBook pro for a bit if I were you. There are a lot of recent reports of problems with them overheating, due to too much thermal grease on the processor... ... the result is the real temperature of the processor is not picked up by the thermal sensors (due to too much grease insulating the sensors), thus the system overheats and dies. Rectifying this problem is simple, but if you remove some of the grease yourself, you invalidate the warranty. Getting Apple to do it for you might cost you $$'s I've just been reading about this off of the SomethingAwful forums (who Apple have already ridiculously threatened to sue, after a member posted a page containing a link to the engineers manual, showing how to fix the problem).... *sigh* - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:11:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446D13BEE2; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YcPE8416IZVIJNbgMdiJr8gNmo8fKYpXFng6rgWCSCXnIVbph/m7E4bA8oy6o1OH6WiDOc5X3gfYC6/+fveW/yWMBhMefp7cIVhOS1MQ3VDwQzGliYBKqZ6VtwiYenvEObNNd+i8k1y88FwvcP/me+ObHWw3ch96dTPne2f6WAg= In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:11:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:11:52 +0000 (UTC) On May 4, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Ben wrote: > Software ways? Except Koan which seems quite Creative labs oriented > (soundfonts), are there other alternatives? > Should we ask manufacturers for a "loop" player: a kind of LP-1 > with random functions and sync between tracks so everytime you hear > a track it's slightly different? We just have to "prepare" some > alternative layers and the player will remix/re-arrange on the fly. There are several small loop/clip based programs with interesting user controls at: http://www.ixi-software.net/content/software.html Both windows and mac legacy in some cases, I recently came across this for mac: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/gleetch[lab].html Looks like it leans towards noise design but might be flexible and seems to have a couple of randomizing elements. regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:32:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81A13BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c66fe3$d7811c60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: BOISE EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL: a special thanks Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for everything and to everybody who participated in the Boise Experimental Music Festival last weekend. I can't believe that it will be a week away from it. I'm still reeling! This was one of the most memorable festivals I"ve ever participated in and the communal vibe and plethora of creativity you all had going in Boise was really impressive to me. I came home feeling so unbelievably creative and inspired by what I saw there. I think I am going to use the old adage of Picasso........."Good artists borrow..............great artists steal" and go out and get some contact mics. This is when music gets good: when you just have to create because of what you've seen and been stimulated by. >From the Lumper Splitter found object set to Jeff Kaiser's amazing gargling Max/MSP solo during Ted Killian's and my set to the beautiful Alvin Lucier piece to the really fun (and scary) Boise Naval Base theatre performance to the wonderful videos to the amazing and thought provoking Cosmic Rays piece (and those amazing metallic speaker experiments) to Gretchen Jude's really cool vocal Max/MSP piece ................to the beautiful Visual Arts Collective and it's truly wonderful and generous owners (which has a beautiful new art show put up the next day if you are in Boise reading this)............it was just an amazing festival! I felt so privileged to be asked to perform. I look forward to coming and performing again in Boise if you'll have me back. Thanks Krispen. You did nothing short of an inspirational job much love, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 03:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C5373BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 03:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d001c66ff0$359e7890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: excellent WIRE review of the CHOIR BOYS, Jeff Kaiser's project Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:01:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 03:01:31 +0000 (UTC) I don't know if this got posted yet, or not but one of our own just got about as good a review as one could get from the WIRE magazine just the other day. I've had the pleasure of hearing Jeff play and this past weekend playing with him and he is a wonderful musician, deserving of such high accolades. Buy this CD, you'll be so glad you did. ********* ********* from THE WIRE, MAY 2006 The Choir Boys The Choir Boys with Strings Pfmentum CD Recorded live in two large suites at Ventura College Theatre by the quartet of Andrew Pask clarinet, bass clarinet, alto and bass penny whistle, Jeff Kaiser on trumpet and a version of Don Ellis's quarter tone instrument and GE Stinson and Steuart Liebig on guitar and bass guitar respectively, The Choir Boys With Strings serves to show how slow someone like Anthony Braxton has been to wake up to the potential of electronics in improvised music. One can imagine someone like George Lewis taking part in something like this, though the language is closer to the saxophonist's. Everyone's plugged into something and the result is an urgent, witty and often moving collage of acoustic and electronic sound which doesn't draw attention to itself, but lets some genuinely powerful music come through. Brian Morton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 04:22:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1DE13BED6; Fri, 5 May 2006 04:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yqZoKMbImOczN9ARvugACNxMuVjdwU/Eh3y6F6ksZvmaGZcCwe6DqijRY3WMRY83d8EqunXVl+nG+V9M8efgqQEz1fNEJyQVFUpE5ssetO6YlZnQgNYmojONZMvJ7PwhP/iEPtw0Kgfs0lRnRAmkasxHj20aJpCAT00BEHgjAAc= ; Message-ID: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <445AA55B.3000205@swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 04:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, it turns out I have a friend of a friend who works for apple who says, "wait a bit." I guess pretty soon v2 of the mbp will hit the streets. I'm in no rush, I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth an extra $500 or so to get an Apple... oddly it's probably near what I could sell my Powerbook for. I'm still very curious as to how this whole thing could play out. So far the world of Windows has been mostly cut off to me. It would be nice to have a foot in both worlds. M --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: > > Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled > > Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm > wondering > > how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does > well) on > > it in XP mode and more specifically, how does > Mobius run? > > I'd hold off on getting a MacBook pro for a bit if I > were you. There are > a lot of recent reports of problems with them > overheating, due to too > much thermal grease on the processor... > > ... the result is the real temperature of the > processor is not picked up > by the thermal sensors (due to too much grease > insulating the sensors), > thus the system overheats and dies. Rectifying this > problem is simple, > but if you remove some of the grease yourself, you > invalidate the > warranty. Getting Apple to do it for you might cost > you $$'s > > I've just been reading about this off of the > SomethingAwful forums (who > Apple have already ridiculously threatened to sue, > after a member posted > a page containing a link to the engineers manual, > showing how to fix the > problem).... *sigh* > > > - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 04:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2D83BEDD; Fri, 5 May 2006 04:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP simm question Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 00:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007901c66ffd$49c082c0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060504065138.DF66633CAF7@smtp.nildram.co.uk> thread-index: AcZv9lNeJO50My4yRRKFTWq71KJDIgABhSwQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 04:35:05 +0000 (UTC) What kind of SIMMS are needed - speed, size, and pin count? I have a bunch of simms (1 and 4 meg I believe) that I'd be more than happy to part with for a more than reasonable rate... like shipping. They are doing me no good at all. I just took a quick look and found 3 72 pin modules. I know I have more somewhere. I'm guessing these are 4 meg chips, but they don't have any decent identifying markings, so, it's a crap shoot. If anybody knows a good site for looking up SIMM info, let me know and I'll try to give a better accounting for what I have. Lemme know Tony -----Original Message----- From: Fluke [mailto:fluke@gotadsl.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP simm question 60nS or 70nS is much quicker than 120nS and so will do fine. I found at least four sources of 4mb simms on Ebay.co.uk when I looked early this year. Nik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 05:53:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF913BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 05:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:53:02 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: NOIZE CREATOR / X&TRICK Japan Tour in Kobe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 05:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, sorry for the spam.. but it someone interest.. [ NOIZE CREATOR / X&TRICK Japan Tour in Kobe ] 5th May '06 Live at Kobe Big Apple NOIZE CREATOR (from Germany / laptop,electronics) http://suburbantrash.c8.com/ X&TRICK (from Belgium / laptop,electronics) http://www.bugklinik.com/ Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live5) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Kazuya Ishigami (Max/Msp) http://www.neus318.com/ Open 18:30 Start 19:30 Adv.1800 yen Door 2000 yen details: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/flyer/2006/0505/ contacts: Big Apple http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple big-apple@i.bekkoame.ne.jp TEL$B!u(BFAX 078(251)7049 ================ 7th May '06 Live at club OTOYA NOIZE CREATOR (from Germany / laptop,electronics) X&TRICK (from Belgium / laptop,electronics) Cindytalk ( from UK /laptop,electronics) http://www.cindytalk.org/ Sunao Inami (laptop,electronics) DJ an0n ( from UK) and more.. 18:00 OPEN / 2000yen w1d contacts: club OTOYA http://otoya.gonna.jp otoya@lh.gonna.jp TEL&FAX 078-393-2758 ================ Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.electr-ohm.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 08:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 998FF3BED8; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:42:28 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > yet MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in which > you can write your own looping plugin to work seamlessly inside > MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. If you fly me in for the next festival, i'll give you a solid introduction to Max and a of course all of my looping patches...(you can have them anyway... ;-) In the end you will skip all the plugs and do all processing with your homebrewn patches... The advantage of learning to DIY instead of learning someone elses software/hardware has always been obvious for me. Sure, it takes more time to learn Max, than to learn a readymade looper/sequencer/whatever. But all you learn is related to what you do and focus on, no waiste at all. Those who make a readymade program do have their own personal focus. It could be close to yours, but it will never match exactly, it will drive you to adapt your focus to the focus of the creator(s) of that program (if its commercial, the focus is most likely a flattened out common denominator of the addressed client base)... Max rulez... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 10:13:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58113BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:13:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <445B3359.30279.23C7CA@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <_ZsKGD.A.R6H.ZVyWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:13:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm a lone voice in the wilderness, but for a beginner, I'd get a Zoom G2 - it has 5 seconds of (tap length) loop which you can fade/replace at any time, with further echo and reverb options on top. Plus shed loads of other fx, which you can tweak whilst the loop is held. And a drum machine! Best of all, it's dirt cheap! If you can't have hours of fun with that, the more expensive items may not seem good value for money. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 11:32:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0462A3BECF; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1146828715!32830074!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91B8@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Macbook Pro users? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C67037.7E8A41A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:31:59 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67037.7E8A41A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm wondering how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run?<< I have a macbook pro coming next week. I am hoping to avoid getting any micro$oft anywhere near the thing. :-) that would be like running a ferrari on paraffin. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled
Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it?  I'm wondering
how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on
it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run?<<

I have a macbook pro coming next week. I am hoping to avoid getting any micro$oft anywhere near the thing. :-)
that would be like running a ferrari on paraffin.

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67037.7E8A41A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 12:04:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8833BEC7; Fri, 5 May 2006 12:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.27.164):SA:0(-0.7/5.0):. Processed in 2.084637 secs Process 24132) Message-ID: <445B3F40.40601@swyatt.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:04:16 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? References: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0618-2, 05/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <_xcXHD.A.hFF.G9zWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:04:23 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm still very curious as to how this whole thing > could play out. So far the world of Windows has been > mostly cut off to me. It would be nice to have a foot > in both worlds. One thing I have read is that OSX x86 cannot be run off of a partition of a drive - it needs a full sepeate hard disk. I did read this on a site though where someone was setting up OSX x86 on an IBM centrino machine, so I'm not sure if this is also valid for true macbook pro's. What this would mean is that you could not have WinXP and OSX on the same machine, unless you connect an external HD or fit a second internal one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4902C3BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAH/zWkSFT4MlLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505144318.0195e978@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:04:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP1 testers In-Reply-To: <20060502183552.7B62D3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060502183552.7B62D3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) At 19:35 02/05/2006, you wrote: >BV > >I've been unsubscribed for some time due to mailbox overflow, but I've been >following the discussion through the archive. > >There are two topics (second topic in a separate post): >I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why >wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of the >most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or musical >gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined? thanks Bernhard for your kind words >hey Bernhard > >what a strange question ? >is LP1 buggy ? hey Claude, I can find bugs in a toaster :-) >is LP1 unstructured? i don't think Bernhard was saying that LP1 is unstructured, rather he means that the way I test is structured. >there seems to be enough ideas thrown at Bob Amstadt to keep him occupied >for a long time my role with the EDP was far more as a tester than a "features demander", In any case, not all suggestions are from a wish list. Sometimes it's possible to make small changes to the user interface which improve the usability without causing a lot of work. >(theres a part time job for a c. programmer at looperlative.com btw) hmm..........interesting >having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a little bothered with the >"throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a software. hopefully Bob has a vision to implement a set of features that work well together. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEDA3BEDD; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAIb6WkSIdCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505151715.019f10a8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:17:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers In-Reply-To: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2NsUhD.A.QqE.Q61WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:17:53 +0000 (UTC) At 04:27 03/05/2006, you wrote: >--- Steve Lawson wrote: > > >He didn't really need any more beta testers than >that. > > >... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a >lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues >of the LP-1. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E34D3BEE2; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAIb6WkSIdCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505151807.019a8330@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:18:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers In-Reply-To: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <96QM2C.A.z0E.R71WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) At 04:27 03/05/2006, you wrote: >--- Steve Lawson wrote: > > >He didn't really need any more beta testers than >that. > > >... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a >lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues >of the LP-1. ..if only they'd got Claude Voit on the case :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 367203BECF; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:24:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 553, in=293654, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, this is great. Now all of you (starting with Jeff) have me all hot and bothered over MAX/MSP, yet I can't can't seem to find that $500 in pocket change under my couch cushions to get it...soon, I'll have it. Although, I just setup my two laptops, one with my VST effect system, the other with Mobius...running great. I sort of like the idea of having two notebooks. Each notebook can actually run a scaled down, self-contained system with Mobius and a subset of my VST effects. That way, if I'm on a gig and one computer has issues, I have a backup. Plus, by running just my VSTs on one machine, I can really load it up and run a lot of stuff at the same time. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> yet MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in which >> you can write your own looping plugin to work seamlessly inside >> MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. > > If you fly me in for the next festival, i'll give you a solid > introduction to Max and a of course all of my looping patches...(you can > have them anyway... ;-) > In the end you will skip all the plugs and do all processing with your > homebrewn patches... > > The advantage of learning to DIY instead of learning someone elses > software/hardware has always been obvious for me. Sure, it takes more time > to learn Max, than to learn a readymade looper/sequencer/whatever. But all > you learn is related to what you do and focus on, no waiste at all. Those > who make a readymade program do have their own personal focus. It could be > close to yours, but it will never match exactly, it will drive you to > adapt your focus to the focus of the creator(s) of that program (if its > commercial, the focus is most likely a flattened out common denominator of > the addressed client base)... > > Max rulez... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:40:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C6AF3BEE9; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ecoIAOzpGhdXbuj5V8eCJC2ah07EztBiS8QS/sLkCrftNfPtYhx8ytIz8Hg8crJD7EcpFkj/U7Uh8FTn5DAWn9ufNuQTDS5IFuKbTzHGPCJskAMILMKIubpKrJXFcQCQQxGHjfU9f8WdaIs+KOHnX5KO0Pj0ep9oapMmxyqgFMw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <445B3F40.40601@swyatt.com> References: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <445B3F40.40601@swyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:40:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) On 5 maj 2006, at 14.04, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > One thing I have read is that OSX x86 cannot be run off of a > partition of a drive - it needs a full sepeate hard disk. I did > read this on a site though where someone was setting up OSX x86 on > an IBM centrino machine, so I'm not sure if this is also valid for > true macbook pro's. > What this would mean is that you could not have WinXP and OSX on > the same machine, unless you connect an external HD or fit a second > internal one. I doubt that's relevant. Running x86 (a OSX hack) on a machine with hardware normally suitable for Windows is not the same as running Windows XP on a machine from Apple normally suited for OS X (like the Macbook Pro). This is the way to go: http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592013BEE8; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=p1Vu3pgBb6bA3jbuMqg6X62Aoz5cD3x8k61ORBTu/Igpwrjw+TgumB6NsBGniISTxzWsVtIVqOgMEuep1CTSQTTIFjYDTFZW/Xd/qLlnl0/Ul6eA9svejeN/2nF1UsVNTShxokq16Rk2IK1sFqm2Cs8aez79wxp33kcF3FunAko= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:43:35 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: ffb054bbbf581afe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) > mark sottilaro wrote: > > One thing I have read is that OSX x86 cannot be run off of a partition > of a drive - it needs a full sepeate hard disk. I have a MBP and I run OS X off a partition. Works fine. I did have the screen whine issue though - however Apple accepted it for repair and now it's fine. Kinda warm though - but no idea whether it's warmer than it's supposed to b= e. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:45:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D891D3BEFC; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,93,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="1090954641:sNHT595122538" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445B3359.30279.23C7CA@nick.12testing.net> References: <445B3359.30279.23C7CA@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:47:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) I was a Electro Harmonix 16-second delay user until the early '90s and then switched to Lexicon JamMan, then to Echoplex Digital Pro (what I've mostly used since). But I've always had a few "loop-capable" pedals of some sort around for quickie light traveling gigs in my small stage set-up. I've been on this list for 10 years now. I really, really, really recomend the Boss DD-20. See the Looper's Delight archives (tools of the trade) and especially Doug Baldwin's thorough review of the thing at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20_review1.html You can pick 'em up used for well under $200 these days. I've owned up to three of them (symultaneously) and their internal delay clock accuracy is pretty darn spot on. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:45:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F663BF0C; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nbT+qWPW3VKYUXeM5Yg6i9Bq+jCKGJJNY34KXyTDf01qkrtbuHaLGwzv9OJgoDyxgT+R9/hqmetB4LlD1pep6cf2SoH1a3dPgmLQpMFhpx8SW9aETVb2XXO/QB1YVsfaIfQql9KQ2tjBbnxMDk0CtJjRHD2fIXKR1LkzySHy21o= In-Reply-To: <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D0BE855-4894-4D5A-B25B-56D9F6D86909@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:45:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:56 +0000 (UTC) On 5 maj 2006, at 16.24, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Although, I just setup my two laptops, one with my VST effect > system, the other with Mobius...running great. Do you play though one into the other, daisy chained? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7543BF08; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAIwBW0SFT4MlLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:48:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: MaxMSP looping - In-Reply-To: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0sx-qC.A.p7G.sW2WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) > >I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of Max/MSP. hi Jeff a Max/MSP question how good is it for rhythmically based music? I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet heard any rhythmic co-ordination going on, at least not in the time signature sense. Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that at all, I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD993BF08; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024301c67053$63eb9da0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7D0BE855-4894-4D5A-B25B-56D9F6D86909@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:51:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 551, in=289760, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9TzwxC.A.WHH.zZ2WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:51:32 +0000 (UTC) That's correct. I plug directly into one (my new ThinkPad Intel duo with the Indigo card), out of that and into my Compaq Presario. That's it...no hardware gear...just the FCB to control Mobius. I'd like to run Mobius as a standalone, but I need to run reverb after Mobius and not before, otherwise it cuts off my decay. Hence, I run Mobius in EnergyXT as a VST, and add a reverb plugin after it. It's working very well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > On 5 maj 2006, at 16.24, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Although, I just setup my two laptops, one with my VST effect system, >> the other with Mobius...running great. > > Do you play though one into the other, daisy chained? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5907A3BED8; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Qo5i+PgpABKh3zP+AUsnV2blJJ3I6ZBCH1pPUFak12ym5vyC8T+SDKCexUZqRP/gPEkmU3WDsB2s1o9mh9/G3VVVf/n9hRYcjXi5YUqj6AmwZuufvH6U6iFCkZtmwHYN0yHrkKX/V1Rjbol53HQ6X3WS2FAlLlC+UTHSBjyAMuc= In-Reply-To: <024301c67053$63eb9da0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7D0BE855-4894-4D5A-B25B-56D9F6D86909@gmail.com> <024301c67053$63eb9da0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <894D3AD6-072D-4C2E-9F31-B5F75DBA9646@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Two laptops (Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:02:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <9vzoHC.A.99H.tj2WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) On 5 maj 2006, at 16.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's correct. I plug directly into one (my new ThinkPad Intel duo > with the Indigo card), out of that and into my Compaq Presario. > That's it...no hardware gear...just the FCB to control Mobius. I'd > like to run Mobius as a standalone, but I need to run reverb after > Mobius and not before, otherwise it cuts off my decay. Hence, I > run Mobius in EnergyXT as a VST, and add a reverb plugin after it. > It's working very well. Thanks, interesting to hear about that setup in detail. I have a strategy for using a second laptop as "drum machine" but so far I have not received any gig requesting that. For reverb I'm fine so far with adding it pre looping. The trick is to remember that you have to end "record" with overdub whenever you lay down a loop layer through a reverb sound. I like the option to lay down a huge reverb layer and then overdub with a more close-up reverb. And I also like being able to cut the reverb on purpose... and reverse a recorded reverb of a single hit sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 394E73BF0A; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:52:32 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Fw: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00da01c67055$8577f480$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:04:21 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Douglas Baldwin" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published > Just a quick shout out - I hope y'all didn't take my book announcement as > too spam-heavy. Loop content: If you go to my web page, you can order my > looping CD ("The Coyote Loops! Dress Rehearsal April 2005") AND the Loopers > Delight Compilation Vol. III CD. > Best, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D618E3BF14; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c67055$b6a75af0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505151807.019a8330@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:08:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) they would be 1 1/2 year late !!! :-) thanks for the compliment Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers > At 04:27 03/05/2006, you wrote: >>--- Steve Lawson wrote: >> >> >He didn't really need any more beta testers than >>that. >> >> >>... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a >>lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues >>of the LP-1. > > ..if only they'd got Claude Voit on the case :-) > > andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:15:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72C143BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g1oi8svFEwfSMrBptZ54wycls6MhcbRGV3HV4z91Ui0nbuj/p3rjPLeYEgBQDmPB7JtGbTHuLqjZqMhVomIU3pivOKQ70Or+WVxmKJcMeDoZ9BD583vfQXubPIkNTWBmMQqQ6ZLQ223B/+uaF5efvlJxlQkzQAgiPqyVkbJqaoI= ; Message-ID: <20060505151524.19210.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: getting started/what to buy/ loop things/ budgets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060505142445.A4C9C3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-958007634-1146842124=:12932" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-958007634-1146842124=:12932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit dear getting started- i have mostly experience w/ the low end stuff. i started w/ a digitech rp100, it has 2 sec of delay, i really experiemented a lot w/ it. then added a dod d-12, it has 12 sec of delay or 4 banks of 6 sec samples. i used those 2 in conjunction forever, still use them actually. i have added between those a zoom g2 (5 sec, can't manipulate delay, but effects options are very good for price) and i also have a digitech xdelay (4 sec of delay-which gives me more options).... i have also used a boss dd20, i didn't love it, but if you are preforming live, it would be a very good option w/ the foot options....and it has many delay options and sound on sound..... if you are looking to perform live singer songwriter stuff w/ looping, the things i've seen: 1. howie day on carson dailey used a line 6 delay modeler (14 sec of loop time), i have not used one, much discussion on L-D about it.....many big wigs use it as well, howie day did some cool stuff at the end of the song he performed that fit w/ the song. he used it to good effect.....i doubt ave viewer knew what he was doing.....the tv did show a clip of his foot working pedal board, and i think he had 2 of them..... 2.i saw a pic of kaki king in my last guitar player and she had a boss loop station at her feet in her pedal board (don't know if it was ver. 1 or the xl version)..... the main thing i stress, if you are playing live, you want feet control manipulation....for most of my loop experiments i'm sitting, and i like to twiddle, so its lots of hand manipulation for me (i'm not much of a stomper)..... s--- ps-i think you should also check the "TOOLS" section, most of the choices have reviews done by a L-D folk, most give the goods/bads, which all devices have, you just have to find what works for you, experiment...name of the game here.....happy looping... --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. 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dear getting started-
i have mostly experience w/ the low end stuff. i started w/ a digitech rp100, it has 2 sec of delay, i really experiemented a lot w/ it. then added a dod d-12, it has 12 sec of delay or 4 banks of 6 sec samples. i used those 2 in conjunction forever, still use them actually. i have added between those a zoom g2 (5 sec, can't manipulate delay, but effects options are very good for price) and i also have a digitech xdelay (4 sec of delay-which gives me more options)....
 
i have also used a boss dd20, i didn't love it, but if you are preforming live, it would be a very good option w/ the foot options....and it has many delay options and sound on sound.....
 
if you are looking to perform live singer songwriter stuff w/ looping, the things i've seen:
1. howie day on carson dailey used a line 6 delay modeler (14 sec of loop time), i have not used one, much discussion on L-D about it.....many big wigs use it as well, howie day did some cool stuff at the end of the song he performed that fit w/ the song. he used it to good effect.....i doubt ave viewer knew what he was doing.....the tv did show a clip of his foot working pedal board, and i think he had 2 of them.....
2.i saw a pic of kaki king in my last guitar player and she had a boss loop station at her feet in her pedal board (don't know if it was ver. 1 or the xl version).....
 
the main thing i stress, if you are playing live, you want feet control manipulation....for most of my loop experiments i'm sitting, and i like to twiddle, so its lots of hand manipulation for me (i'm not much of a stomper).....
s---
ps-i think you should also check the "TOOLS" section, most of the choices have reviews done by a L-D folk, most give the goods/bads, which all devices have, you just have to find what works for you, experiment...name of the game here.....happy looping...

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-958007634-1146842124=:12932-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:39:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 951973BEF8; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RlHQ+W4j0hWN+D8e2E4cygoym3MMGX91NbqETBcT+9BB0CVVppQ029mF4jEWLrErokk0TRqIHjl43LS5e9RPE4elPePmCn7SZ1lmoAyCwim7BRUtoOZslVNq6hqpwdD7ldP0UDDGOKHCcCv5SuhMalZCCok0CeI5sC6smsnPqe4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:39:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC) > On 4 maj 2006, at 13.32, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >>> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility >>> of Max/MSP. > Per Boysen wrote: >> Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting with >> Mobius and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. > Hehe, you better believe it ;) You could even load Mobius inside > Max as well, and use max objects to control it - fractal loopin' > for instance. Or serialist looping - now there's an oxymoron, hehe. "Serialist Looping" and "Oxymoronean Looping" could go parts of what I do. Fact is everything I need is already inside Mobius. I now have most macro tools (scripts) finished for 4/4 based music. But I need to rework all my script for 7/8 based, 5/4 or other time based music. It is possible, I know how to do it, but oh so boring and time consuming. Before Mobius I used a system in Ableton Live where MIDI events, organized into relevant series, were trigged by pedals to dynamically alter the ongoing looping process. That system was quick and smart because the same serial sequences could be used as triggers for any kind of action - I just had to convert them once. With Mobius I have to write new scripts and that's a bit time consuming. So this is my interest in MAX; if that way of applying of serial sequences can be somehow generalized for a quicker application? I use serial sequences for parameters like "overdub", "pitch transpose", "speed", "feedback", "Subtstitute Insert", "retrigger", "reallign". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:41:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74D53BEF8; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:41:17 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: excellent WIRE review of the CHOIR BOYS, Jeff Kaiser's project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <445B721D.7020506@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <00d001c66ff0$359e7890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:41:37 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > I don't know if this got posted yet, or not but one of our own just > got about as good a review > as one could get from the WIRE magazine just the other day. > > I've had the pleasure of hearing Jeff play and this past weekend > playing with him and he is > a wonderful musician, deserving of such high accolades. > > Buy this CD, you'll be so glad you did. > > ********* > ********* > > from THE WIRE, MAY 2006 > > The Choir Boys > The Choir Boys with Strings > > Pfmentum CD > > Recorded live in two large suites at Ventura College Theatre by the > quartet of Andrew Pask clarinet, bass clarinet, alto and bass penny > whistle, Jeff Kaiser on trumpet and a version of Don Ellis's quarter > tone instrument and GE Stinson and Steuart Liebig on guitar and bass > guitar respectively, The Choir Boys With Strings serves to show how > slow someone like Anthony Braxton has been to wake up to the potential > of electronics in improvised music. One can imagine someone like George > Lewis taking part in something like this, though the language is closer > to the saxophonist's. Everyone's plugged into something and the result > is an urgent, witty and often moving collage of acoustic and electronic > sound which doesn't draw attention to itself, but lets some genuinely > powerful music come through. > > Brian Morton Congrats to The Choir Boys! Jeff sent me a promo a few months back and it is indeed great stuff. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9FE13BEF3; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <874d5409db6fa7d429664a0acf7052ea@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:55:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:55:09 +0000 (UTC) > > > Max rulez... > > Stefan hell YEAH! :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:01:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF11C3BEF3; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:01:49 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: <7pNO-B.A.kLE.ub3WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:01:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm not a current Max user, but when I was working for Opcode I spent some time exploring it, and even wandering thru the source code a bit.. :) in anycase, it's a 'visual programming environment', and is capable of many things... what it is used for is entirely up to the programmer, so one could assume that the people who programmed the Max patches for the pieces you have heard did not concern themselves with the rhythmic/time signature based issues... One of the things that is great about these type of environments is that it's so easy to start experimenting... which, I believe, lends itself to more 'sound/data mangling', much like tweaking parameters on fx, than 'time based/syncronized' work... as well, I believe time-based stuff can require more of a 'programming' mindset, where fx based work is more about just plugging objects together... It's been said here before, but writing time-critical software is not a simple task... tools like Max make the easy parts far easier, but the hard parts are still hard... peace -cpr Quoting a k butler : > > > > >I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of > Max/MSP. > > hi Jeff > a Max/MSP question > > how good is it for rhythmically based music? > > I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet heard > any rhythmic co-ordination > going on, at least not in the time signature sense. > Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that at all, > I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX > > > andy butler > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:03:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E6A3BEFA; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:03:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I've never used it for sync'd up music. but at the sparks festival in=20 feb many guys had made their own dj type apps in max and were doing=20 rhythmically coordinated stuff, also more avant-garde rhythmic=20 stuff..so it is there. Stefan is a "power user" max guy, maybe he can chime in on this...I see=20= his posts daily on the max list. I know with loops, you can definitely sync them up, I just choose to=20 use them un-synced Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 7:48 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of=20= >> Max/MSP. > > hi Jeff > a Max/MSP question > > how good is it for rhythmically based music? > > I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet heard=20= > any rhythmic co-ordination > going on, at least not in the time signature sense. > Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that at=20= > all, > I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX > > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:04:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D50E3BF02; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:04:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5VX2DC.A.OdE.ge3WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Rhythmic stuff is very possible in Max/MSP. I have a nice little patch for extracting the length of a sample, extracting the time sig and bar count that i put in the filename and auto calculating the length of a bar and of a beat. However I have built the same live performance system in Max/MSP and Reaktor. My personal preference with an A/B comparison was to use Reaktor. check this mini-tour of one of my live rigs - http://the0verclock.com/warper4overclock.mov Sorry, the footage is all 4/4. : ) At the time I was using Reaktor as a 6 channel plug for all looping, filtering, mixing. And ableton for organizing a huge bank of tv theme songs and pre-programmed drum parts. In previous versions of this rig, the pre-fab samples were loaded either inside of Reaktor or Max/ MSP. These days I have moved back to using Reaktor only. Ableton however is great for locking down old tv theme songs to a solid tempo before loading into Reaktor. And Max/MSP is still my go to App for quick midi fixes. Sorry for my lack of activity on this list, but you guys are tough to keep up with! Y'all send a metric ton of email! - b On May 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility >> of Max/MSP. > > hi Jeff > a Max/MSP question > > how good is it for rhythmically based music? > > I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet > heard any rhythmic co-ordination > going on, at least not in the time signature sense. > Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that > at all, > I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX > > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:56:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4C73BEF6; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:56:16 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:56:27 +0000 (UTC) First of all I'd like to say that this is the best loopers-delight thread in a while :-D Let's try to keep up the momentum! >> Max rulez... >> > >Stefan > > >hell YEAH! > >:-) indeed. cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > One of the things that is great about these type of environments is that it's > so easy to start experimenting... which, I believe, lends itself to more > 'sound/data mangling', much like tweaking parameters on fx, than 'time > based/syncronized' work... as well, I believe time-based stuff can require more > of a 'programming' mindset, where fx based work is more about just plugging > objects together... weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2 weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient gui. The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there are so many of them! Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more, before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FA413BEF8; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v94Ck9VuVmxssaUlU4bCnh7kdvsEu/LseajCoRiRaBSAl6uxufamHV5hCSXMxbDzPZWC60ctldmszxICMqNOlsMmxUvWtTKYaWC4N3TL8CkGpC/k2SU+OcsLjBw6E6xO0t35cENcUN9TDfds/vY3ranf/G3PqK5hVXsH9pPBD9Y= ; Message-ID: <20060505170443.7173.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91B8@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:04:44 +0000 (UTC) I know, I know, I agree with you (please, no os wars) but I can't get past the fact that some tools just are not made for my platform of choice. In this case, Mobius. Trust me, I'd love nothing more than a version of Mobius (or similar app) to be released for the Mac OS but it just doesn't look like that's in the cards. I have to be a realist. Too many people are crowing about this little software looper to ingore it's importance and there for, the importance of XP by association. Mark --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled > Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm > wondering > how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) > on > it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius > run?<< > > I have a macbook pro coming next week. I am hoping > to avoid getting any > micro$oft anywhere near the thing. :-) > that would be like running a ferrari on paraffin. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7674B3BEEA; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060505170443.7173.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060505170443.7173.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:43:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4tqStB.A.PiC.T74WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi All - I have a MacBook Pro that I've been testing for work. Unfortunately, I can't speak to much in regards to audio software yet, but in general I love the machine. I have been using Reason 3.0 and that has been working great. I plan to load Live on it this next week, and will eventually upgrade to the Universal Binary 5.2 version. I haven't done the dual boot install, but have been using the Parallels virtualization software (www.parallels.com) - still in beta but *way* faster than the Virtual PC emulation software. That is not yet ready for prime time regarding audio apps, though. WHen there is better audio support, I definitely want to test it out and (time permitting) will test the dual boot solution so that I can start tinkering with Mobius. So much software, so little time! Which brings up an interesting idea - perhaps I could load up ninjam on both OSes and jam with myself :-) Cheers, Craig BTW - the biggest drawback so far hasn't been software related but hardware related - these 1st generation MBPs have a 4x DVD drive which feels a bit like a throwback in time! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FED03BEF7; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=JAcbFJdGl1BBXiui/qJKLV/g3E7HamOJctpr4I7Z1PBfzg4V+eIp2zHXkmKnZuMqEw6wZl+4XByk9yDRnFIwp+kzGnO3VMylhXt+YHtgZFT81bXfE8ghZf3RzfX9j37RJGbhqbZp2ptkihjQwj/ATQXpD3iT5lhFYZ2RJ15PYlM= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RC50 date pushed back Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZtkP++e22TJ+o6SMOjGwoZ1dWK8QC2jhwg In-Reply-To: <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> Message-Id: <20060505174422.0AFE23BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:44:23 +0000 (UTC) just got a note from Musicians Friend the original backorder date of 5/13 is now 6/30. argh. m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:54:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013933BEFB; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:54:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:54:33 +0000 (UTC) I think many people are focusing on this as a "programming" language,=20 which it really "sort of is, can be, but sort of is not, and doesn't=20 have to be"....one of the many beautiful things about max is that it=20 goes as deep as you want it to.....which doesn't have to be deep. I use it as a virtual pedal board/rack that I can change the order of=20 the effects instantly. I do write my own patches now, but at first, I=20 used mostly VST with max's venerable vst object. Very easy to host VSTs=20= (MOBIUS users might like that) with that, but more customizable than=20 plain hosts. Then one day last november I just started writing=20 patches....and boom, now I'm addicted. It really is fun and not that=20 hard on the level I'm at. Admittedly, I'm not writing hipno type=20 effects.....(which, by the way, I presume you all know that pluggo and=20= hipno were created with maxMSP (and jitter for hipno)....which shows=20 how deep you can go). So now: when I want to add a new timbre....instead of dropping the big=20= bucks for a new box, I sit down over a pot of tea and write one....or=20 do a tutorial (they are great) and get an idea from them. There is also a recent study that says Max/MSP lowers your cholesterol,=20= triglycerides and prevents Alzheimers's Disease.... wait. I made that part up. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2=20 > weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a=20= > working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch=20= > on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be=20= > used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more=20= > "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. > > Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes=20= > - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and=20= > OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the=20 > solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient=20= > gui. > > The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there=20= > are so many of them! > > Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more,=20 > before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) > > a. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 18:00:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980A23BEF9; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1146852033.445b92c1542de@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:00:33 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) I didn't mean to focus on that aspect, I only wanted to point out that the more complex ideas require more of an understanding at that level... that's why I pointed out the simplistic route as well... because of that, the exact dynamic you describe happens.. :) at a basic level, it's just like plugging cables between fx boxes, and tweaking the parameters... peace -cpr Quoting Jeff Kaiser : > I think many people are focusing on this as a "programming" language, > which it really "sort of is, can be, but sort of is not, and doesn't > have to be"....one of the many beautiful things about max is that it > goes as deep as you want it to.....which doesn't have to be deep. > > I use it as a virtual pedal board/rack that I can change the order of > the effects instantly. I do write my own patches now, but at first, I > used mostly VST with max's venerable vst object. Very easy to host VSTs > (MOBIUS users might like that) with that, but more customizable than > plain hosts. Then one day last november I just started writing > patches....and boom, now I'm addicted. It really is fun and not that > hard on the level I'm at. Admittedly, I'm not writing hipno type > effects.....(which, by the way, I presume you all know that pluggo and > hipno were created with maxMSP (and jitter for hipno)....which shows > how deep you can go). > > So now: when I want to add a new timbre....instead of dropping the big > bucks for a new box, I sit down over a pot of tea and write one....or > do a tutorial (they are great) and get an idea from them. > > There is also a recent study that says Max/MSP lowers your cholesterol, > triglycerides and prevents Alzheimers's Disease.... > > wait. I made that part up. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On May 5, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > > > weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2 > > weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a > > working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch > > on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be > > used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more > > "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. > > > > Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes > > - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and > > OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the > > solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient > > gui. > > > > The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there > > are so many of them! > > > > Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more, > > before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) > > > > a. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 18:20:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C98B3BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1146852033.445b92c1542de@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> <1146852033.445b92c1542de@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:20:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah, absolutely understood. Just reinforcing. The idea of it as a programming language kept me from jumping to max=20 for years, since it came out. I was intimidated by that, and it turns=20 out mistakenly so. Then I got very tired of carrying around 140+ pounds=20= of gear and cables. the train in london last august was the final=20 straw. So I guess I have the currently avowedly non-laptop performer=20 Steve Lawson to thank for moving me to laptop. (He does stuff with=20 laptop at his house, though, I think.)....down to 43 pounds for the=20 festival in Boise, and 20 of that is the case. My goal is to get it=20 down to a laptop case and trumpet case.... Jeff (sitting down right now with a pot of tea and max....) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 11:00 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > I didn't mean to focus on that aspect, I only wanted to point out that=20= > the more > complex ideas require more of an understanding at that level... that's=20= > why I > pointed out the simplistic route as well... because of that, the exact=20= > dynamic > you describe happens.. :) at a basic level, it's just like plugging=20 > cables > between fx boxes, and tweaking the parameters... > > peace= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 18:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B96A3BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01fe01c66f8c$160ec890$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <01fe01c66f8c$160ec890$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0d1a892b978dfcc33b47be317e1fb4da@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:38:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 66.248.87.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Warren, I would be interested. Of course, I don't currently use/use Max/MSP, but I'll make the plunge eventually. Matt On May 4, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Am I correct to infer from this discussion is that there might be > interest > in such a thing? Would there be interest in participating in developing > addins for a product that was a commercial product (I have way too > much time > invested in this project to make the core looper free, but it will be > quite > affordable)? You would own your own addins, and could do with them > what you > please (the web site would host links to free and commercial addins, > and who > knows what other creative combinations could be made). > --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 19:06:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FA63BEDF; Fri, 5 May 2006 19:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=US/voOs9aJoKKAuGjZ8AAOHys1wdygNQZg+rjGNNO5ilvROJ5hy4GW0Mdm/KUtq/u4ZgAYDrEnmUEXYXj9WSrRg2J+M6xZTJ8lQZlkVvlMuTTVjECajArZryhyxQw8+Q39DWkHPSbxEBAg/Wv7q8NuRt/M1fD6V2qtF5nUOxAds= ; Message-ID: <20060505190623.34049.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:06:25 +0000 (UTC) --- Craig McCollough wrote: > Parallels virtualization software > (www.parallels.com) - still in beta > but *way* faster than the Virtual PC emulation > software. That is not > yet ready for prime time regarding audio apps, > though. WHen there is > better audio support, I definitely want to test it > out I think any program run in emulation is going to have problems doing real time audio stuff. and (time > permitting) will test the dual boot solution so that > I can start tinkering with Mobius. So much software, so little time! Yeah, I think the fact that the Macbook is actually running XP makes it a lot more likely. > > Which brings up an interesting idea - perhaps I > could load up ninjam > on both OSes and jam with myself :-) Isn't that what this whole list is about? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 20:40:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65E353BEDD; Fri, 5 May 2006 20:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:40:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZwcJl3AhWDDbYIR+umgfIvgDoygAAEt/DA Message-Id: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:40:43 +0000 (UTC) I've been admiring max from a distance. I'm glad you pointed out the usefulness of max in a purely graphical sense (building apps in the graphical environment). I have a question. Is max practical for developing a looper app that has midi sync capability? That is, locking or generating to midi clock and establishing loop times that stay in sync with external percussion devices. On a similar note, what do you see for performance and latency of the apps you write. Any success with low latency and performance when using the max vst wrappers? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Oh yeah, absolutely understood. Just reinforcing. The idea of it as a programming language kept me from jumping to max for years, since it came out. I was intimidated by that, and it turns out mistakenly so. Then I got very tired of carrying around 140+ pounds of gear and cables. the train in london last august was the final straw. So I guess I have the currently avowedly non-laptop performer Steve Lawson to thank for moving me to laptop. (He does stuff with laptop at his house, though, I think.)....down to 43 pounds for the festival in Boise, and 20 of that is the case. My goal is to get it down to a laptop case and trumpet case.... Jeff (sitting down right now with a pot of tea and max....) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 11:00 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > I didn't mean to focus on that aspect, I only wanted to point out that > the more > complex ideas require more of an understanding at that level... that's > why I > pointed out the simplistic route as well... because of that, the exact > dynamic > you describe happens.. :) at a basic level, it's just like plugging > cables > between fx boxes, and tweaking the parameters... > > peace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 21:22:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C96D3BED9; Fri, 5 May 2006 21:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <559da9d574cb9b8e438f80b4e4fbaded@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:22:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <7aE0JD.A.idH.WI8WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:22:31 +0000 (UTC) On May 5, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > > > I have a question. Is max practical for developing a looper app that=20= > has > midi sync capability? That is, locking or generating to midi clock and > establishing loop times that stay in sync with external percussion=20 > devices. I've never done it, but I've seen people do real amazing synced up=20 stuff with midi and acoustic instruments. There are also other ways to=20= sync inside max besides midi. some very cool stuff. So the answer seems=20= to be yes, but I've never messed with it....I hope stefan will chime in=20= here tonight. > > On a similar note, what do you see for performance and latency of the=20= > apps > you write. Any success with low latency and performance when using the=20= > max > vst wrappers? So much of that is dependent on your machine, plugs used and your=20 interface. I've got to admit, when I left the m-audio for the MOTU=20 ultralite I found out that the m-audio seemed to be adding latency,=20 less with the MOTU, but I'm not a scientist so I don't know how much.=20 With the MOTU, I barely notice latency, but it is there. (And the=20 converters sound way better, too.) I'm running a g4 1.5 ghz powerbook=20 and the vst~ object seems very efficient, I've got about ten VSTs going=20= inside my rig and then my own patches and looper. Somebody commented after a gig last week that I had WAY LARGE LATENCY=20 at one point and wanted to know if I was having trouble with my rig. But I didn't! I was running a stereo delay with no dry mixed in....I=20 thought that was funny that they would hear that and call it=20 latency.....it was ART, man! well..... jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 21:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C61063BEE0; Fri, 5 May 2006 21:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:30:04 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [show] Trashed: An Unnecessary Packaging Hall of Shame, Raleigh Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Tonight, Raleigh NC. Contact mics, junked computer parts, effects, loopers (I'll be using the following loopers: Akai Headrush, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, E-H 16sec delay reissue, Logitech Jamman, Boss RC-20(non-XL). Date / Time: Friday 5 May 2006, 6pm-10pm, perhaps midnight. (My set 9pm+.) Venue: Designbox Gallery Cover charge: None. As part of the Trashed art show at Designbox Gallery this First Friday of May, I am performing an improvisational looping electronic set primarily using contact mic'd CPU heat sinks and other recycled pieces of electronic and other equipment. Four speakers are giving short (30min) talks on various recycling-related topics starting at 7pm. I will be starting my set close to 9pm, depending on when the last speaker finishes, and continuing until someone in authority tells me to stop. Links: http://www.designbox.us/ http://www.newsobserver.com/320/story/429714.html http://pics.livejournal.com/badger/pic/0001e7f0/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 21:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF2A63BEEA; Fri, 5 May 2006 21:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:44:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:44:06 +0000 (UTC) I think most of us would agree that hardware clocks are more stable than soft ones. It is possible to generate clock from Max, but depending on your use, it maybe better to sync Max to a hard clock. The VST object is stable in my experience, but it does take some interesting messages to make it work properly (midievent 144 sound familiar?). I have found that while there will always be hardware latency you can optimize max/msp pretty well for sync purposes and if you avoid gratuitous use of GUI objects and superfluous messages it can be quite fast and responsive. One of the big CPU hogs, that I try to avoid is the Sig~ object. While being very useful, it is not cost effective in my own CPU / Latency budget. It's not sig's fault, it's his job that is difficult (sort of like control to audio signal conversion). And still I find that I prefer the tone that comes out of Reaktor, even when comparing something that SHOULD be identical between the 2 platforms. But that's just me and my ears. I do wish that reaktor had the option to make nice angled cables like Max though, because i hate the way reaktor cables get all sloppy. - b On May 5, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > I've been admiring max from a distance. I'm glad you pointed out the > usefulness of max in a purely graphical sense (building apps in the > graphical environment). > > I have a question. Is max practical for developing a looper app > that has > midi sync capability? That is, locking or generating to midi clock and > establishing loop times that stay in sync with external percussion > devices. > > On a similar note, what do you see for performance and latency of > the apps > you write. Any success with low latency and performance when using > the max > vst wrappers? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - > > Oh yeah, absolutely understood. Just reinforcing. > > The idea of it as a programming language kept me from jumping to max > for years, since it came out. I was intimidated by that, and it turns > out mistakenly so. Then I got very tired of carrying around 140+ > pounds > of gear and cables. the train in london last august was the final > straw. So I guess I have the currently avowedly non-laptop performer > Steve Lawson to thank for moving me to laptop. (He does stuff with > laptop at his house, though, I think.)....down to 43 pounds for the > festival in Boise, and 20 of that is the case. My goal is to get it > down to a laptop case and trumpet case.... > > Jeff > > (sitting down right now with a pot of tea and max....) > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > > > On May 5, 2006, at 11:00 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > >> I didn't mean to focus on that aspect, I only wanted to point out >> that >> the more >> complex ideas require more of an understanding at that level... >> that's >> why I >> pointed out the simplistic route as well... because of that, the >> exact >> dynamic >> you describe happens.. :) at a basic level, it's just like plugging >> cables >> between fx boxes, and tweaking the parameters... >> >> peace > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 21:52:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6CB73BED8; Fri, 5 May 2006 21:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PhUgoeLPNDFDyFprTS5jEKNfY/AiVY5nclNRi9T9EK4SrxWkQSpvYvKYZBr2CT6SgQ1fmXZej2cj6wS7ySMemlzQXqhIi3M/07gOvfQMol1m5L++PET+R0AsbMOHgXPQ1HjPZrB3LrW7IVR/MuDakC/dKF2tbybOGpLLD+y7n/Q= ; Message-ID: <20060505215234.85260.qmail@web51813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Steck Subject: Jamman Help!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-301826526-1146865954=:85248" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:52:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-301826526-1146865954=:85248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 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My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen?
 
thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Mike

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-301826526-1146865954=:85248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 21:58:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5A393BED9; Fri, 5 May 2006 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060505190623.34049.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060505190623.34049.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <020606C0-E5D2-46E3-A66E-56165C784342@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: [OT] Virtualization vs. Emulation (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:57:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Mark, The parallels workstation is actually a virtualization process rather than emulation - so it gets direct access to hardware rather than having to be emulated through the host OS. They do plan to have full implementation that should handle real-time audio. Cheers, Craig On May 5, 2006, at 12:06 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I think any program run in emulation is going to have > problems doing real time audio stuff. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:05:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5B53BEEE; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mp80dSPv9YUGoDvL7MMHvb5vYoBZ6FKkEoIMiqp1Hnbp+udc7EXyC/C6yMAGJ22hOLGg2vbjCjSM49h8PfKaGAl59PCQI576AUGzxOvSTtw8v/nUV4azkWvaX6tQx+w9QeQUW4WIyu3O9w7td00CASDwKGd/2HznKD4pObaLH68= Message-ID: <913728d60605051505w1d49f0bbu61757b169046dc13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:05:42 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jamman Help!!! In-Reply-To: <20060505215234.85260.qmail@web51813.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060505215234.85260.qmail@web51813.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:05:43 +0000 (UTC) do you know what happened, or did it just shut off of there is no sign of anything that might have gone wrong? Charlie On 5/5/06, Mike Steck wrote: > > My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for > repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where > repairs can happen? > > thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Mike > > > ________________________________ > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rate= s > starting at 1=A2/min. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:10:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7DDE3BEEC; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1146867026!38757049!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:10:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C67090.B5A77550" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:10:28 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67090.B5A77550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" anyone investigated this effort at all? http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_overview.php duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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anyone investigated this effort at all?

http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_overview.php

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C67090.B5A77550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:16:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983033BEEE; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1146867398!12912780!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91CA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman Help!!! Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:16:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C67091.939B5FC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67091.939B5FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? << mike- your best bet is to try to find a decent local tech & put him in touch with bob sellon somehow. I'd be inclined to suggest that if it's not lighting up at all, ever, then the problem will be with this (internal) power supply mechanism we've just been speculating about.... but can you get a voltmeter onto the external psu & see if it's still kicking out the 9V ac? sometimes these wallwarts fail where the thin wire goes into the transformer or the connector..... otherwise, it may be this voltage doubler or the main 5V regulator. if you've got a line6 power supply anywhere close (maybe someone you know?) then try that on the jamman- they also run 9V ac. I have used them many times in the past on our two jammans. I aim to have mine in bits soon to dig a little deeper into replacing the wallwart, but this won't happen for a couple of weeks. good luck! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67091.939B5FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
 >> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? <<
 
mike- your best bet is to try to find a decent local tech & put him in touch with bob sellon somehow. I'd be inclined to suggest that if it's not lighting up at all, ever, then the problem will be with this (internal) power supply mechanism we've just been speculating about....
 
but can you get a voltmeter onto the external psu & see if it's still kicking out the 9V ac? sometimes these wallwarts fail where the thin wire goes into the transformer or the connector..... otherwise, it may be this voltage doubler or the main 5V regulator.
 
if you've got a line6 power supply anywhere close (maybe someone you know?) then try that on the jamman- they also run 9V ac. I have used them many times in the past on our two jammans.
 
I aim to have mine in bits soon to dig a little deeper into replacing the wallwart, but this won't happen for a couple of weeks.
 
good luck!
 
duncan. 


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67091.939B5FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:19:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A9553BEEA; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Jamman Help!!! Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:19:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C67070.6E7D6EC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91CA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZwkZZA7YW3wzLXR3q76iblFDP5ZwAADtpA Message-Id: <20060505221919.4CE643BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:19:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C67070.6E7D6EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob has replacements for the wallwarts on his website. It's at www.jamman.org . _____ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman Help!!! >> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? << mike- your best bet is to try to find a decent local tech & put him in touch with bob sellon somehow. I'd be inclined to suggest that if it's not lighting up at all, ever, then the problem will be with this (internal) power supply mechanism we've just been speculating about.... but can you get a voltmeter onto the external psu & see if it's still kicking out the 9V ac? sometimes these wallwarts fail where the thin wire goes into the transformer or the connector..... otherwise, it may be this voltage doubler or the main 5V regulator. if you've got a line6 power supply anywhere close (maybe someone you know?) then try that on the jamman- they also run 9V ac. I have used them many times in the past on our two jammans. I aim to have mine in bits soon to dig a little deeper into replacing the wallwart, but this won't happen for a couple of weeks. good luck! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C67070.6E7D6EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob has replacements for the = wallwarts on his website. It’s at www.jamman.org.

 

 

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 >> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? <<

 

mike- your best bet is to try to find a decent local tech & put him in = touch with bob sellon somehow. I'd be inclined to suggest that if it's not lighting = up at all, ever, then the problem will be with this (internal) power supply = mechanism we've just been speculating about....

 

but can you get a voltmeter onto the external psu & see if it's still = kicking out the 9V ac? sometimes these wallwarts fail where the thin wire goes = into the transformer or the connector..... otherwise, it may be this voltage = doubler or the main 5V regulator.

 

if you've got a line6 power supply anywhere close (maybe someone you know?) = then try that on the jamman- they also run 9V ac. I have used them many times = in the past on our two jammans.

 

I aim to have mine in bits soon to dig a little deeper into replacing the wallwart, but this won't happen for a couple of = weeks.

 

good luck!

 

duncan. 



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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C67070.6E7D6EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7014E3BEF0; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445BD5C3.2080609@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 00:46:27 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Bill Edmondson wrote: > I have a question. Is max practical for developing a looper app that has > midi sync capability? That is, locking or generating to midi clock and > establishing loop times that stay in sync with external percussion devices. Very much so. In fact, I would stipulate that getting sync up and running between a host and, say, an audio buffer in maxMSP is easier than in Reaktor - which is relatively easy. I am in this for synced looping. Only (and this is a given!) I want to be able to mess with the clock... this gives you access to rev. but also to breaking effects and stutters. And retriggering.. And resequencing. and this leads to being able to sequence a looping buffer with another inputs transients, and such. > On a similar note, what do you see for performance and latency of the apps > you write. Any success with low latency and performance when using the max > vst wrappers? Which do you mean - the Pluggo system or the "load a vst in MaxMSP"system? The system appears extremely lean to me. That's really appealing, imo. andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:46:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A2963BEFA; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:51:29 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Bernhard Wagner LD , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 testers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c66d64$41019de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002901c66d64$41019de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:46:54 +0000 (UTC) --On Monday, May 01, 2006 11:14 PM +0200 Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. This was a very difficult issue for me. There were a great many people that I would have loved to have had on the beta testing team. However, Looperlative is me alone and funded completely by me. Unfortunately, these units are not inexpensive to build. My cost on the prototype units was quite sizeable and I simply could not afford to give away any more than I did. There are a great many wonderful musicians on this list and I fully recognize their value. After I dig myself out of debt, I'll have more freedom to offer endorsements. That said, I do want to thank the efforts of Steve Lawson, Rick Walker, and Bill Walker. They have all been a huge help in the process of bringing the LP1 to life. I'm proud to be able to call them friends. I rely very heavily on their opinions and appreciate every comment and criticism that they have to offer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 22:49:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01AE3BEF9; Fri, 5 May 2006 22:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445BD690.3080506@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 00:49:52 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> In-Reply-To: <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Brian Cass wrote: > I do wish that reaktor had > the option to make nice angled cables like Max though, because i hate > the way reaktor cables get all sloppy. > BUT the ui (only visible items, and they can be rearranged without messing with the structure) is very nice. Oh, and regarding the cables: The max ones snap to the inputs a lot easier. Doesn't sound all that important, but it sooo is. A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 23:00:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5BDC3BEF9; Fri, 5 May 2006 23:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o5DKgOTb1CaLShIr/XfzSkUMDNcLuQR0t46a5CMzk1ZYkcHEQIPtGE+5elVcOFvdYATQ53Hq/QWiF1Q3IKMaTb8yv2akmawbIcWM2a+8dcjqGLQEZULAobapKcrx6x5jFuXBsBLIoEXmnxLAE4SuGB4tBXVGRDIZSm0+mbluTno= ; Message-ID: <20060505230040.96956.qmail@web51807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Steck Subject: Re: Jamman Help!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605051505w1d49f0bbu61757b169046dc13@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1018078843-1146870040=:96841" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:00:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-1018078843-1146870040=:96841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit not sure...it always works. I realized it was not on...checked the connection...replugged back in and everytime I do this I can see the red display flash for a moment..then it goes dark.....acts like it wants to fire up then goes dark.... Charlie Milkey wrote: do you know what happened, or did it just shut off of there is no sign of anything that might have gone wrong? Charlie On 5/5/06, Mike Steck wrote: > > My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for > repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where > repairs can happen? > > thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Mike > > > ________________________________ > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates > starting at 1¢/min. > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-1018078843-1146870040=:96841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit not sure...it always works. I realized it was not on...checked the connection...replugged back in and everytime I do this I can see the red display flash for a moment..then it goes dark.....acts like it wants to fire up then goes dark....

Charlie Milkey <pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:
do you know what happened, or did it just shut off of there is no sign
of anything that might have gone wrong?


Charlie

On 5/5/06, Mike Steck wrote:
>
> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for
> repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where
> repairs can happen?
>
> thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Mike
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PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-1018078843-1146870040=:96841-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 23:02:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D59B3BF04; Fri, 5 May 2006 23:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 01:08:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Jamman help From: jayrope To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:02:56 +0000 (UTC) If you are in bristol, then tom bugs might be able to help you. He's not a repair guy officially, but a brilliant technician & circuit bender - and he uses a jamman with expert selfmods himself. Take a look at http://bugbrand.co.uk and just write him a mail from there. Oh and: check out his selfbuilt instrumenst there, the stuff sounds awesome. --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 23:03:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323E43BF06; Fri, 5 May 2006 23:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Isrbc/sgEJqc58NHtCCWpxQM8NJJPckRSF2xbrAVBJTQuraxpFz1aDNdoEs9cNwizjC2v/gEFV9rFhgMd27RHujHJZ+aQujdBqBXvM2qR/EKC4HlbQ7mj8oN9eAZ7Clh//sS0ppYInKv7cCxAtaYgUypgaELy/YdObe+YKxhCXg= ; Message-ID: <20060505230302.85052.qmail@web51802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Steck Subject: RE: Jamman Help!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91CA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1118084326-1146870182=:84040" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:03:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1118084326-1146870182=:84040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks for the direction....I tried another wallwart and it does the same thing....the red display flashes for a moment...all the led's light for that same second..then it goes dark....and stays that way.. so its not power up to the unit....and power reaches some of the internals to light it briefly.... do chips just simply give up over time....? goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? << mike- your best bet is to try to find a decent local tech & put him in touch with bob sellon somehow. I'd be inclined to suggest that if it's not lighting up at all, ever, then the problem will be with this (internal) power supply mechanism we've just been speculating about.... but can you get a voltmeter onto the external psu & see if it's still kicking out the 9V ac? sometimes these wallwarts fail where the thin wire goes into the transformer or the connector..... otherwise, it may be this voltage doubler or the main 5V regulator. if you've got a line6 power supply anywhere close (maybe someone you know?) then try that on the jamman- they also run 9V ac. I have used them many times in the past on our two jammans. 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thanks for the direction....I tried another wallwart and it does the same thing....the red display flashes for a moment...all the led's light for that same second..then it goes dark....and stays that way..
so its not power up to the unit....and power reaches some of the internals to light it briefly....
 
do chips just simply give up over time....?

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
 >> My wonderful Jamman has gone dark. I can find no support anywhere for repair..called Lexicon and they laughed at me.....does anyone know where repairs can happen? <<
 
mike- your best bet is to try to find a decent local tech & put him in touch with bob sellon somehow. I'd be inclined to suggest that if it's not lighting up at all, ever, then the problem will be with this (internal) power supply mechanism we've just been speculating about....
 
but can you get a voltmeter onto the external psu & see if it's still kicking out the 9V ac? sometimes these wallwarts fail where the thin wire goes into the transformer or the connector..... otherwise, it may be this voltage doubler or the main 5V regulator.
 
if you've got a line6 power supply anywhere close (maybe someone you know?) then try that on the jamman- they also run 9V ac. I have used them many times in the past on our two jammans.
 
I aim to have mine in bits soon to dig a little deeper into replacing the wallwart, but this won't happen for a couple of weeks.
 
good luck!
 
duncan. 


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Messenger with Voice. --0-1118084326-1146870182=:84040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 23:42:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAE773BEDE; Fri, 5 May 2006 23:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445BD5C3.2080609@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <445BD5C3.2080609@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <31a67a3ddbfc7787559b32fecea211b1@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:42:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:42:58 +0000 (UTC) > I am in this for synced looping. Only (and this is a given!) I want to=20= > be able to mess with the clock... this gives you access to rev. but=20 > also to breaking effects and stutters. And retriggering.. And=20 > resequencing. and this leads to being able to sequence a looping=20 > buffer with another inputs transients, and such. One of the many cool things about max: being able to control things in=20= many different ways...I use random (the drunk object) to modulate=20 everything from pitch to speed, and then I control the speed and the=20 amount of the randomness with two ev-5 pedals...then you can use all=20 these things on loops, effects...anything....just by dragging=20 cables.... > The system appears extremely lean to me. That's really appealing, imo. my experience as well. Also: regarding midi. I'm no fan of it for my uses. so I choose not to=20= use it with max,(except for an oxy8 that I use as a big on/off switch).=20= check this out: this is so easy in max....for my pedals I run a sine=20 wave out to an ev-5 pedal, run it back in, then have a simple object=20 measure the peak amplitude changes that any pedal motion brings. [sine=20= wave]-->[pedal]-->[peakamp]...that is it, done by dragging a few cables=20= and three boxes. The output of peakamp becomes my controller data.=20 Really easy....and now my resolution is in the many thousands of steps=20= for the controller.....setting this up was easier than setting up midi=20= functions from those little screens on little black boxes..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Bill Edmondson wrote: > >> I have a question. Is max practical for developing a looper app that=20= >> has >> midi sync capability? That is, locking or generating to midi clock = and >> establishing loop times that stay in sync with external percussion=20 >> devices. > > Very much so. In fact, I would stipulate that getting sync up and=20 > running between a host and, say, an audio buffer in maxMSP is easier=20= > than in Reaktor - which is relatively easy. > > I am in this for synced looping. Only (and this is a given!) I want to=20= > be able to mess with the clock... this gives you access to rev. but=20 > also to breaking effects and stutters. And retriggering.. And=20 > resequencing. and this leads to being able to sequence a looping=20 > buffer with another inputs transients, and such. > >> On a similar note, what do you see for performance and latency of the=20= >> apps >> you write. Any success with low latency and performance when using=20 >> the max >> vst wrappers? > Which do you mean - the Pluggo system or the "load a vst in=20 > MaxMSP"system? > > The system appears extremely lean to me. That's really appealing, imo. > > andreas > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 00:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3AF3BECF; Sat, 6 May 2006 00:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <445BD690.3080506@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> <445BD690.3080506@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21BC41E7-BB9D-4000-B3CB-8B3D1261CABB@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:18:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 00:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Yes, good points, both of them,. There is however the annoying 'stack- all-new-elements-on-top-of-each-other' feature in reaktor. While we're at it. I have been using the Nord G2 a lot lately and I have to say that environment has the benefit of hiding different classes of cables. ie - hide control but still show audio. Awesome. AFAIK, Max is the only one of these 3 that has the feature I REALLY appreciate - alias modules. almost everything i do involves having multiple versions of whatever looper/filter/gadget i have created. basically bc i am dealing with multitrack looping. It is very handy in Max to make one structural change and have all the other copies change with it. I wish the Nord and Reaktor had this ability. - b On May 5, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Brian Cass wrote: >> I do wish that reaktor had the option to make nice angled cables >> like Max though, because i hate the way reaktor cables get all >> sloppy. > BUT the ui (only visible items, and they can be rearranged without > messing with the structure) is very nice. > > Oh, and regarding the cables: The max ones snap to the inputs a lot > easier. Doesn't sound all that important, but it sooo is. > > A. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 02:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C2E13BEDD; Sat, 6 May 2006 02:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03c401c670b6$1f8b27d0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: More BEMF MP3s and Videos Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:38:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 551, in=290426, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 02:38:19 +0000 (UTC) I've added a bunch more videos to the Boise Experimental Music Festival website on the sound and video page. Rick Walker sent me a bunch of silent mini videos that will go well with the sound clips. http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental Also, here is the clip of me and Jared Hallock on drums - http://www.box.net/public/r5upv26i16 More to come this weekend.....I have all the recordings from Saturday now. ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 12:19:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC613BEB6; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 date pushed back Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:19:12 +0000 Message-Id: <050620061219.13770.445C9440000E943F000035CA2200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Now if only they delayed it to add feedback. . . -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "murkie" > just got a note from Musicians Friend the original backorder date of 5/13 is > now 6/30. > > argh. > > m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 13:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9DAF3BEDB; Sat, 6 May 2006 13:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445CA49A.3050009@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 15:28:58 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 date pushed back References: <050620061219.13770.445C9440000E943F000035CA2200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <050620061219.13770.445C9440000E943F000035CA2200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 13:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Christophe wrote: > Now if only they delayed it to add feedback. . . > it's probably just a loop-nudge feature ;=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 14:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECCB23BEDB; Sat, 6 May 2006 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:20:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) At 11:10 PM +0100 5/5/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >anyone investigated this effort at all? > >http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_overview.php Well, I've toyed with the idea of getting one for a long time. I just never had a real compelling reason to push me over the edge. And I remember somebody on list was selling theirs about six months ago. But now that I think about it: has anybody ever tried running Mobius on one of these things?!? Bloody hell, Duncan, you may just have an excellent point there! --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 14:54:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465D33BED8; Sat, 6 May 2006 14:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Ninjam tech writeup (very basic) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 16:54:10 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c6711c$ef39e690$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4459137F.1000500@post.cybercity.dk> Thread-Index: AcZu8MthcdooXWaRT1iV8Ge7DpECjACJaIEw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:54:18 +0000 (UTC) > Would one of youze guys mind doing a technical write-up on > this? I've done a few ninjams myself, but i'd love to hear > how you rigged everything for recording and web-streaming. > (By the way, those programs weren't all that cpu intensive, > as far as I remember?) Ok, I'll do s basic description of a setup you need for ninjamming and streaming the result to audiences. There won't be everything covered in this writeup, if you got questions: ask. Do also understand that I use a Windows platform, but the things described will also work on Lunix or Macs. NINJAM: Ninjam is a client/server structure, so there are two types of programs: 1. The Server. This one uses a minimum amount of CPU. it runs in text mode and is configured with a config-file - rather old-school ;) 2. The client. This is what every participating musician needs. There are two variants, the normal client (which I'll call Ninjam client or short "Ninjam") and the Wasabi client (which I'll call "Wasabi"). There are two main differences. a) Wasabi doesn't support ASIO. b) Ninjam doesn't output MIDI clock. Ninjam and Wasabi puts a mediocre load on your system but is very allergic to short CPU load spikes. So be sure to keep the average CPU load on the machine that runs the client below 50%. What's more of a problem is that you (or at least I) can't run both Ninjam and Wasabi on the same machine. So if you need to use the ASIO driver (which will most probably be the case) and need MIDI clock coming from the server (which you will need if you have drum machines etc. running), then you'll need two computers. Be aware that the two clients will have a different deltaT with regard to the server clock. That means that your drum machine (or other MIDI gear) will run at exactly the same speed as your Ninjam, but with a fixed delay in relation to Ninjam's metronome. This would be a problem if you play with other people who listen to Ninjam's metronome. Ninjam will (in its default setting) take your input and mix it with the playing of the other participants, then output the whole thing to your audio output. That means you can't multitrack-record the different musicians with another software or outboard gear. Ninjam, Wasabi and the server allow for multitrack recording in both ogg and wav formats. Bandwidth requirements: The server sends a copy of each channel from other musicians to each client. The bandwidth requirement per (mono) channel is 60kbps. This puts a serious load on the outbound bandwidth of the server for anything with more than two participants. A simple formula for , where: n number of participants m number of participants on the same network as the server* l number of channels per participant k bandwith requirement per channel (=60kbps) B the total outbound bandwidth requirement of the server B = k * ((n-1)*l)*(n-m) = J * (n-1)*(n-m) = J * (n^2 - nm - n + m) which increases with a power of two function. Two simple examples: You sit at home where your server is running. You play with one guy, and you both send stereo streams to each other. You get n=2, m=1, l=2 and B = 60kbps * 1*2*1 = 120kbps, which you can handle with a normal low-bandwidth DSL link. For three participants (also with stereo channels) and the server at another place, you'd get n=3, m=0 and l=2 and thus B = 60kbps * 2 * 2 * 3 = 720kbps, which is more than even a bigger home-use DSL can handle. So the trick here: a) use mono channels where possible b) put as many musicians as possible on the same network with the server c) keep the number of musicians low If you got a professional link, lets say a 6Mbps with configurable setup of in/out bandwidths (and the required inbound bandwidth of (n-m)*l), you could set it to 5Mbps outbound/1Mbps inbound and accomodate a maximum of seven participants. STREAMING TO THE AUDIENCE: This is done by a streaming client like oddcast or shoutcast and a server like icecast or shoutcast. Kris has rented a server with 30 listener slots, which we used. The clients use a fair amount of system load (if you keep in mind to keep your total load below 50% if you run it on the same machine as the Ninjam), but nothing that can be handled. Outbound bandwidth depends on the rate you configure in your streaming client and can be anything from 20kbps to 256kbps (also depending on what your server can handle). If running everything on one computer, you only need a way to get Ninjam's output to the streaming client's input, which will be either a software audio patchbay or a connector from your audio interface's digital out to its digital in. Keep in mind that lots of programs (including the ones mentioned here) tend to keep a firm hold on both a interface's outputs and input, even if only one direction is used. So either get an interface with multi-client driver structure or get many (at least two) interfaces (or computers). RECORDING: Several possible ways: a) use Ninjam's/Wasabi's recording feature b) use the Ninjam server's recording feature c) use the streaming client's recording feature d) use another software application e) use outboard gear For our concert, I used a combination of d) and c). With d), I recorded on separate tracks my input, the output of Ninjam (which I configured not to include my own playing) and the signal sent to the streaming client, thus getting both separate tracks for the performers and a recording of the 2bus. c) was for safety reasons. DISTRIBUTING LOAD: As I mentioned before, because of the Ninjam/Wasabi problem I was forced to use two laptops for the Ninjam thing alone. And everything else got evenly distributed among these two. This gave me: Laptop #2: Ninjam, Ninjam server, Kristal (multitrack audio recording) and a browser to chat on our fan chat addon hardware: RME digiface Laptop #3: Wasabi, Shoutcast client, Webcam software to record and a browser to watch the Shoutcast server Terratec Phase26 (this sucks ass, as it doesn't have symmetrical outputs), Logitec Sphere webcam (You might ask about Laptop #1. This was the laptop that was used for actually making the music. I'll write about the crazy setup some other time). ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT: * Ninjam vs. Wasabi: It would greatly simplify the system if there was a Ninjam client that did both ASIO and MIDI. These clients are open-source - any of you wanting to give it a try? ;) * Premastering the output signal: heavy lossy audio compression affects non-mastered signals more than those with great quality. This is something that could be done easily - I'd just have to hook up my finalizer. * Better second audio interface: the Phase26 is after all a consumer-style device, and has no good outputs. I'm already looking (for other reasons) at a RME Fireface 400... * Using webcams for transmitting images to the audience, getting my own server with huge amounts of bandwidth, become chief executive officer for god...;-) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 15:50:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA913BEDB; Sat, 6 May 2006 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:50:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 15:50:26 +0000 (UTC) > On May 6, 2006, at 9:20 AM, mech wrote: > But now that I think about it: has anybody ever tried running Mobius > on one of these things?!? Mobius will not run on the Receptor. The receptor OS is Linux, it can only run "pure" VSTs that make no assumptions about the OS. For several reasons Mobius has to access some Windows services directly which means that even though it is a VST, it can only run on Windows. It should run fine on an Intel Mac running XP with Bootcamp. To my knowledge no one has ever verified this, but the fact that Ableton Live runs on Mac/XP is a good sign. But Bootcamp is a relatively new thing (still in beta I think) so there may be some kinks that will be discovered and fixed over the next few months. This page has a list of some of the known issues. None of these seem to be related to audio applications, but you should review them before you buy. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303572 One thing I noticed is that Mac/XP does not support the Apple bluetooth keyboard and mouse so if you were planning on buying a Mini to use with your existing bluetooth devices, you will have to buy new wired devices. I'm planning to buy an Intel Mac in the next few months and will do what I can to make Mobius run on it. But I can't say for certain it will work right now. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 16:00:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C76C3BEDB; Sat, 6 May 2006 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Mobius memory management Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:00:08 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c67126$261f4fc0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZxJM0TSc7tgxpNRsilTeTEd7XC1wAAKjtw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Dear Jeff, as I see you're still online here and listening to Mobius users' questions, let me put forward this one: Is there any way one can get Mobius' memory management to work in a way more close to the EDP - say, by assigning a total of 128MB to Mobius and a maximum of 32MB to each stereo track. And while we're at it - can one setup tracks to be mono (so to save memory)? I recently had this Mobius encounter where I accidentally left a track in Overdub (I think that was the reason), and a long time later, the computer ceased to function as intended because Mobius' (I think) memory claims went over the edge... And while I'm asking questions: could anybody put me to the right place how to save (and restore) my track settings (like sync mode, Loop/Delay/Expert mode etc). I believe there is a way - but simply storing the project didn't work for me. Thanks, Rainer ps: Mobius is motherfucking great!!! Just so you know...;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 16:01:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739243BEE0; Sat, 6 May 2006 16:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445CC848.1070108@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:01:12 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KLF The Manual References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC918E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC918E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 16:01:12 +0000 (UTC) goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > individuals who have followed it to the letter are known to have been > "successful" I read the whole book, its very well written and fun to read. Then I downloaded their quoted Number One Hit - obviously these guys are brilliant writers, not so much musicians... Really astonishing that it made it, not astonishing that it was for just a week. They explained it all, the success has nothing to do with the "music". It explains also why so much crap is in the charts... What I would like to find out, how some of the better pieces made it into the charts though the music is good (rarely enough). Did those acts also needed to buy it? (with or without loan). I am probably too naive by still believing there are some other paths to success as well... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 16:48:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F953BEDF; Sat, 6 May 2006 16:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <000001c67126$261f4fc0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c67126$261f4fc0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1EC99844-730F-41F0-9F33-433191093347@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Mobius memory management Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:48:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 16:48:41 +0000 (UTC) On May 6, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > as I see you're still online here and listening to Mobius users' questions, > let me put forward this one: I'm happy to answer questions on LD, but since these often turn into lengthy discussions I prefer they be posted to groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius so we don't bore non-Mobius users here :-) > Is there any way one can get Mobius' memory management to work in a way more > close to the EDP - say, by assigning a total of 128MB to Mobius and a > maximum of 32MB to each stereo track. And while we're at it - can one setup > tracks to be mono (so to save memory)? It isn't exactly like the EDP, but you can set the preset parameter "Max Undo Layers" to restrict the number of layers we keep around for undo. So if you set this to 10, and left overdub on forever, we would only keep the most recent 10 layers in memory and start to recycle the older ones. A feature I hope to add soon is the ability to "checkpoint" layers, so you can mark only the important ones you want to keep for undo, and we can automatically recycle the ones in between. > I recently had this Mobius encounter where I accidentally left a track in > Overdub (I think that was the reason), and a long time later, the computer > ceased to function as intended because Mobius' (I think) memory claims went > over the edge... That's possible, did you notice that the "layer list" of little vertical rectangles across the top growing to fill the screen? Mobius will try to avoid creating another layer if the level of the overdub did not exceed a certain threshold. If you left overdub on but weren't actually playing anything and saw layers being added, try raising the global parameter named "Noise Floor". > And while I'm asking questions: could anybody put me to the right place how > to save (and restore) my track settings (like sync mode, Loop/ Delay/Expert > mode etc). I believe there is a way - but simply storing the project didn't > work for me. Sync Mode and Interface Mode are stored in the preset, so first you have to make a permanent change to one of the presets by bringing up the Preset window. If you're making changes in the "instant parameter" list in the main window, these are temporary and will not be saved in the project and will be lost the next time you select a different preset. Once you have the preset saved, the project should save and restore the preset used by each track. The project will also save the current levels of the input, output, feedback, secondary feedback and pan controls for each track. If you use the File->Save Project dialog to save the project, you have to use the File->Open Project dialog to load it the next time, Mobius will not automatically load the last project you were using. If you have a track configuration you want to use frequently, you can use the Save->Save Default Project menu item. The default project is loaded automatically when Mobius starts. A good enhancement might be to popup a dialog asking to automatically restore the last project you were using when Mobius is started rather than always starting with the default project. If this doesn't seem to be working for you, post a message to the Yahoo group and we can explore it further. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 17:00:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468043BEE0; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445CD62F.9020300@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 19:00:31 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <559da9d574cb9b8e438f80b4e4fbaded@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <559da9d574cb9b8e438f80b4e4fbaded@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I've never done it, but I've seen people do real amazing synced up > stuff with midi and acoustic instruments. There are also other ways > to sync inside max besides midi. some very cool stuff. So the answer > seems to be yes, but I've never messed with it....I hope stefan will > chime in here tonight. Here I am, luckily keeping track of my lists, seem I have to skip the others, skip the Jitter part of the Maxlist, hopfully don't skip patching... ;-) In general the two views at Max are both important. Its a tool like Reaktor or Live or Mobius if you have a readymade patch for this kind of stuff: there is Radial from Cycling, or lloopp from Klaus Filip... But its also a programming language in its basic sense, that means you can do anything with it. This will allow you to adjust existing patches to your needs, as has been pointed out. Yes you do need to learn, if you want to do it yourself, but simple things are simple. Moving a knob from left to right on the user interface could anybody do immediatly without the need of understanding the inerds (though this is helpfull...). The power is in the fact, that you can precisely concentrate on what you want to know and control and you can leave the rest to more knowledgable people, and there are a lot, the community is great and the best resource. Its likely you do not read so many technical questions regarding Max on the loopers-delight list because the Max community will most likely cover anything you need. Just by reading this list, I imagine that the Live, Logic, DP, stompbox lists are only partially helpfull regarding our looping topic.... >> On a similar note, what do you see for performance and latency of >> the apps you write. Any success with low latency and performance >> when using the max vst wrappers? I just have a client in the studio who wants to incorporate as many VST's as possible and was wondering why I don't have a big collection of them. Well I made a patch to quickly switch VST's on the fly, and it works out quite nice... I just downloaded a bunch of the free available plugs for OS X (I am glad I don't have a PC elsewise I might have waisted even more time...) Funnily I am not that much interested in using all these plugs myself, though some of them are great, they are much more an inspiration to do it myself in the way I would want to do it. In Max I'd have much more control. Personally I never have problems with latency, but that might be an aesthetical option as well. To get the timing right is definitely possible in an Max/MSP environment, to get it very tight, might need some specific ways to control it, if you do it in the audio domain, it will even satisfy techno nerds who are able to hear microsecond jitter. (I am not...;-) But this might be expensive in terms of processing power. To optimize a patch certainly needs more skills than just puting the functionality together. I'll be happy to get anybody going with Max, but be aware its really addicting... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 17:02:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ABE33BEDC; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:02:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:02:49 +0000 (UTC) At 10:50 AM -0500 5/6/06, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > On May 6, 2006, at 9:20 AM, mech wrote: > >> But now that I think about it: has anybody ever tried running Mobius >> on one of these things?!? > >Mobius will not run on the Receptor. The receptor OS is Linux, it >can only run "pure" VSTs that make no assumptions about the OS. For >several reasons Mobius has to access some Windows services directly >which means that even though it is a VST, it can only run on Windows. Ah drat! Well, that was a good idea for about 15 minutes... ;) >I'm planning to buy an Intel Mac in the next few months and will do what I >can to make Mobius run on it. But I can't say for certain it will >work right now. Jeff, is your aim with this to possibly work out a port to OSX overall, or a port that would only run directly under bootcamp. Just curious whether there's a possibility for Mobius to work on legacy Macs. Tanx! --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 17:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B5F53BEE1; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445CD62F.9020300@addcom.de> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <559da9d574cb9b8e438f80b4e4fbaded@pfmentum.com> <445CD62F.9020300@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:11:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) boy, is it ever addicting...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 6, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I'll be happy to get anybody going with Max, but be aware its really=20= > addicting...= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 17:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7263BEDF; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BD1A1A3-5478-4DB5-A987-734BABBA810B@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:22:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:22:16 +0000 (UTC) On May 6, 2006, at 12:02 PM, mech wrote: > Jeff, is your aim with this to possibly work out a port to OSX > overall, or a port that would only run directly under bootcamp. Only bootcamp. I've looked at doing an OSX port, and it may happen someday, but it would be a lot of work, and I'd rather expend the energy on refining the features and user interface right now. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 17:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171243BECF; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7BD1A1A3-5478-4DB5-A987-734BABBA810B@zonemobius.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > <7BD1A1A3-5478-4DB5-A987-734BABBA810B@zonemobius.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:36:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:36:34 +0000 (UTC) At 12:22 PM -0500 5/6/06, Jeffrey Larson wrote: >On May 6, 2006, at 12:02 PM, mech wrote: > >> Jeff, is your aim with this to possibly work out a port to OSX >> overall, or a port that would only run directly under bootcamp. > >Only bootcamp. I've looked at doing an OSX port, and it may happen >someday, but it would be a lot of work, and I'd rather expend >the energy on refining the features and user interface right now. No problem, that makes sense. And you've been up-front about that previously; it just sounded for a second like you had reconsidered. :) --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 17:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 926783BEDF; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c67134$413d1cc0$c6b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: More stuff for sale... Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:41:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Besides my Digitech PMC-10 midi controller ($250) I'm posting these here first... gotta pay the rent! I have three Boss pedals that have got to go. All are in excellent condition, with velcro strips on the bottom to facillitate pedal board mounting. All pedals are in their original boxes. Shipping USPS Priority mail is included in all the prices. Boss AW-3 Dynamic Wah--This is the famous auto wah, that has both up and down modes as well as the 'humanizer' vocal vowell mode, for ill voice-like sounds. It also has a bass input optimized for bass guitar for those funky and synth-like tones. Very versatile and the usual Boss quality. $65 Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer--Efficient tonal control and shaping for fine tuning your tone into the amp. Great for solo boosts and/or tone tweaks in one stomp. $50 Boss LS-2 Line Selector--You don't see these much, but this baby has a variety of routing and level setting uses. It's great for having two different fx chains, each with a separate active gain control. It's capable of switch between A chain, B chain, or BOTH. Super versatile... it can split your signal off to two amps. $65 I'd love to keep all these boxes, but it's rent crunch time, and I need the bucks. I can be contacted at biffoz@arczip.com, or 831.588.8162 Thanks, Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 18:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745073BEDD; Sat, 6 May 2006 18:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445CE6D1.9070109@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:11:29 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <559da9d574cb9b8e438f80b4e4fbaded@pfmentum.com> <445CD62F.9020300@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > boy, is it ever addicting...... > Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • > AngryVegan.com > > > On May 6, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> I'll be happy to get anybody going with Max, but be aware its >> really addicting... Okay. I just got my maxMSP+Jitter serials - I AM addicted! Stefan also wrote: > "I just have a client in the studio who wants to incorporate as many > VST's as possible and was wondering why I don't have a big collection > of them." Stefan, I really do hear you with regard to the vst plugins - I run Live, Reaktor and MaxMSP now, no other vsts, and I will "port" my favourite reaktor setups directly to max - this is really easy to do, and my favourite looping delay right now is just a simple delay-line with a cool feedback path, and this can be done just fine in max. > LLoopp Wow. I didn't know they had an XP beta for this :) I'll run have a look right now! Anything that'll provide some good basic fun for starting my patches is cool. a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 18:53:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999693BEE0; Sat, 6 May 2006 18:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445CF0A3.6060402@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:53:23 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans > for supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about that? The next release 4.6 will be a universal binary... They are working hard on it and its making progress as far as I know... Obviously its not as easy as Steve wants to make us believe... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 18:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E016B3BEE9; Sat, 6 May 2006 18:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445CF0C3.5080708@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:53:55 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > For example, my looper was first made by andrew, but then I got in > it, saw how it worked, and modified the interface to fit my > needs...the modularity and modifiability would give us all what we > want: more! One point is that the needs of each individual are very different. Andrew made the patch for you, and now you got the ideal starting point. I have every three weeks a new composer in the studio, each time I create an instrument. Each instrument is very different, but fits the needs of the piece we are working on and I try to fit it to the style and interests of the composer, that he would be able to go on on his personal path. On the other hand, to create a simple looper can be very easy. The other day I visited a composer in Paris to install the patch we made on his computer, then his children showed up, wondering what we are doing, I just opened a blank page and within half a minute the first delay was going, some seconds later I've added a feedback, and the kids couldn't stop to shout into the loop and listen to themself, constantly adapting the patch to what was flowing by... To start out I can imagine to make a little tutorial "how to a looper like (put in your favorite hardware looper)". Maybe we start with something like a DD-20. I haven't touched a hardware looper for a long time, I'd need some explanation/manual to get it going. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 19:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A933BED2; Sat, 6 May 2006 19:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445CF322.6050803@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:04:02 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 19:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > So this is my interest in MAX; if that way of applying of serial > sequences can be somehow generalized for a quicker application? Thats exactly where Max would shine, instead of writing scripts, which you can do in Max as well of course, you can define a rule, and Max would do the calculation and either create a script based on that or more likely do the control directly. But be aware, that you do need to learn that way of thinking, and to build a looper like mobius will take its time. But if you got there your extending your tool way faster than any natural progress of a commercial product could be. You leave out what you don't need, and put in what you need... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 19:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95E803BEDE; Sat, 6 May 2006 19:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <445CF0A3.6060402@addcom.de> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> <445CF0A3.6060402@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:09:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 19:09:43 +0000 (UTC) At 8:53 PM +0200 5/6/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >Obviously its not as easy as Steve wants to make us believe... It's exactly as easy, _IF_ you are in the subset of people already building applications in XCode with the proper interfaces. CodeWarrior generates better code and the complie/link cycle is much faster, so a lot of people stuck with that environment. Unfortunately for Max/MSP fans (and Cycling74), converting from CodeWarrior can take a while, and the code may need some optimization to run well again. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 19:16:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B373BEE4; Sat, 6 May 2006 19:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445CF5FF.5020601@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:16:15 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <445CF0C3.5080708@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <445CF0C3.5080708@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 19:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, your input in this thread is much appreciated! Stefan Tiedje wrote: > To start out I can imagine to make a little tutorial "how to a looper > like (put in your favorite hardware looper)". Maybe we start with > something like a DD-20. I haven't touched a hardware looper for a long > time, I'd need some explanation/manual to get it going. The idea is awesome, provided that the framework established in this can be expanded easily - it might be a good idea to stay away from simple delay objects, for instance? I don't know... hell, if I can play, record and overdub into a synced loop in MaxMSP this side of august I'll be a happy camper. Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 19:21:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B32F3BEE9; Sat, 6 May 2006 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TW5fPpJtCUu+fUGva+sWtxmQPgu7D4Ta6y8D513tD+i1U3l8o36OHVJzySPMke0s81vpfA2sYnJhI9vdgRXh+rT0Exg8zlE2o9BCaSjdQRHnl0X+8Nn2DQmEgXxqTY1a8Q78fs4DzCY/CqANJUoA0WMVZyVvey6ZyRtwEv1fnLU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <7BD1A1A3-5478-4DB5-A987-734BABBA810B@zonemobius.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91C9@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > <7BD1A1A3-5478-4DB5-A987-734BABBA810B@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: [OT] receptor (was Re: Macbook Pro users?) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:21:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <2mKGdB.A.XyC.0cPXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) > On May 6, 2006, at 12:02 PM, mech wrote: > > > Jeff, is your aim with this to possibly work out a port to OSX > > overall, or a port that would only run directly under bootcamp. > On 6 maj 2006, at 19.22, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Only bootcamp. That's fine with me, since the bootcamp, now in beta, seems to be targeted as a bundled functionality of Leopard. And Max is both OSX and XP these days. In one of my visions of the future I can see myself using Max to make a kick-ass control environment for Mobius :-) But then the vision kind of freaks out and I'm not I do believe in seeing myself jumping on a bunch of X-Y vector control carpets through a three dimensional control grid of laser beams... ;- D)))) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 21:33:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2D9E3BEDE; Sat, 6 May 2006 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445D1641.9060306@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 23:33:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> In-Reply-To: <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Brian Cass wrote: > midievent 144 sound familiar? an example for how to streamline some akward messages in Max: use another little box to translate it, you have to do it only once, and in that case it exists already: there is an object called midiformat, which would do it for you, and then you can build your own VST object abstraction including this translation and you can forget about it, it will remain simple for the rest of your life... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 21:39:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6BB3BEE1; Sat, 6 May 2006 21:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445D1774.2080900@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 23:39:00 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> <445BD690.3080506@post.cybercity.dk> <21BC41E7-BB9D-4000-B3CB-8B3D1261CABB@the0verclock.com> In-Reply-To: <21BC41E7-BB9D-4000-B3CB-8B3D1261CABB@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Brian Cass wrote: > AFAIK, Max is the only one of these 3 that has the feature I REALLY > appreciate - alias modules. almost everything i do involves having > multiple versions of whatever looper/filter/gadget i have created. > basically bc i am dealing with multitrack looping. It is very handy in > Max to make one structural change and have all the other copies change > with it. I wish the Nord and Reaktor had this ability. That actually makes Max into a programming language (Reaktor is not, its a modular synth). The ability of encapsultion is crucial. Keeps your head free once you found a solution for a problem. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 21:45:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5573BEE4; Sat, 6 May 2006 21:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <445D1641.9060306@addcom.de> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> <445D1641.9060306@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19210B2D-26CF-444E-B453-48F319F69780@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:45:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8rOBnC.A.8uC.tjRXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:45:17 +0000 (UTC) quite true and a very good point. in no way did i aim to scare anyone =20= away from max and his many joys. just meant it as a warning for anyone that plugs a midiin to a vst~ =20 and scratches their head for awhile. another HUGE plus for max that hasn't been mentioned (at least in the =20= past day) - the help files really tell you a lot, and if you really =20 need more the ref manual is pretty deep. the help files (even the =20 preference windows) are also max patches so you can open them up and =20 copy stuff out to your own patches, just be careul not to save the =20 help files if you butcher them. and yet another maxism for anyone diving in this week - the tips =20 window is an incredibly helpful place to look for really useful =20 things. my favorite - =95 to see a menu of all the messages an object accepts, control-option-=20= click on the object for whatever reason i was using max for quite a while before i read =20 that one. - b On May 6, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Brian Cass wrote: >> midievent 144 sound familiar? > > an example for how to streamline some akward messages in Max: use =20 > another little box to translate it, you have to do it only once, =20 > and in that case it exists already: there is an object called =20 > midiformat, which would do it for you, and then you can build your =20 > own VST object abstraction including this translation and you can =20 > forget about it, it will remain simple for the rest of your life... > > Stefan > > --=20 > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 21:52:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466473BEE9; Sat, 6 May 2006 21:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <445D1774.2080900@addcom.de> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> <445BD690.3080506@post.cybercity.dk> <21BC41E7-BB9D-4000-B3CB-8B3D1261CABB@the0verclock.com> <445D1774.2080900@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:52:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:52:54 +0000 (UTC) On May 6, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > That actually makes Max into a programming language (Reaktor is > not, its a modular synth). I can agree with that, for the purposes of this conversation. : ) But I still think it would NOT be a stretch for Reaktor or the Nord to have this option. Another example would be Logic, I can make a musical loop, copy it all over the place as an alias and then only change the one original. I only bring this up because the Logic arrangement window is in no way a programming language or a modular synth, yet it has this ability. I have been pushing this idea up the Reaktor food chain for about 2 years and I have thoroughly proven to myself that I have zero input on the subject : ) wow i used 2 smiley faces in one email. i promise i am not 10 years old. just act that way on saturdays. - b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 22:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A723BEDB; Sat, 6 May 2006 22:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <21BC41E7-BB9D-4000-B3CB-8B3D1261CABB@the0verclock.com> References: <20060505204042.C962A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6AE27467-E586-47EB-93F4-45F10BF2C9B2@the0verclock.com> <445BD690.3080506@post.cybercity.dk> <21BC41E7-BB9D-4000-B3CB-8B3D1261CABB@the0verclock.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 15:23:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 22:23:34 +0000 (UTC) At 8:18 PM -0400 5/5/06, Brian Cass wrote: >AFAIK, Max is the only one of these 3 that has the feature I REALLY appreciate - alias modules. almost everything i do involves having multiple versions of whatever looper/filter/gadget i have created. basically bc i am dealing with multitrack looping. It is very handy in Max to make one structural change and have all the other copies change with it. I wish the Nord and Reaktor had this ability. Yes, although I don't think of them as Alias Modules, but rather as Abstractions, Subroutines, Functions, or Methods (depending on my current programming language mindset). The Max community mostly calls them Abstractions. I can tell you probably already know this, but for general pedagogic reasons, I'll continue. The use of instance variables makes all the difference. Lets say I have a patcher named Vibrato. I could have an argument to Vibrato that would change the type of vibrato that was applied. For example, "Vibrato Guitar" could have positive going vibrato, while "Vibrato Violin" would apply vibrato that went positive and negative. This allows each instance of an abstraction to behave differently depending on what instance arguments it has. It's also worth pointing out that patchers can be nested however deeply you need them to be. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 6 23:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC4AA3BEE0; Sat, 6 May 2006 23:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 01:47:51 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: to those using multiple racks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi dears, I just thought to inform you I put what I called "rack bridge" on ebay here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7411635901&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 just in case someone finds it suitable for their needs. my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 04:06:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C2213BED8; Sun, 7 May 2006 04:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 00:06:32 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c6718b$a02f11f0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6716A.191D71F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <20060506214518.1FF123BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcZxVmFJ7P2LpG+NQ2u0GPrCPUflSQAM56cw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 04:06:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6716A.191D71F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's not doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise! Drone-y loops and great sustain. Nice. Thanks, Tony ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6716A.191D71F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just got an E-Bow after lusting = after one for a few decades.  I tried using it with my Brian Moore = iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it’s not doing quite what I = expect.  It’ll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR = doesn’t seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same = note.  If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.  Does anybody have any wisdom to impart?  Do I need to = set the sensitivity on the GR lower?  Do I just have to learn to pick = behind the E-Bow with my right hand?

 

I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 = and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise!  Drone-y loops and = great sustain.  Nice.

 

Thanks,

=

Tony

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6716A.191D71F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 07:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617293BEDD; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 8:37:50 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: E-bow question X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 195.112.9.83 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060507073753.2B3D7336F1E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Does your GR50 respond to string bends? Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: E-bow question Date: 07/05/06 04:06 I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it’s not doing quite what I expect. It’ll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn’t seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise! Drone-y loops and great sustain. Nice. Thanks, Tony ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 08:38:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361013BEDD; Sun, 7 May 2006 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ir5CV120UEmbMTOeFF7obhIOc337hLmevVwmqo0AKs5hsChY1ZfsySQ3E0WJmEYOhBG+KewccUI6S8Sp2aqEFaqXz5k67HdDKGjJIaYVuXBxzMcxrssgn6wOSFlkWdhmuvvzr751E3pf153QWOlzkKF1UEeE2LwgEXNDUYGBIwo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <004c01c6718b$a02f11f0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> References: <004c01c6718b$a02f11f0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C793335-7DD5-4943-9A7B-E13B69B5DD57@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:38:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <54px_C.A.mXF.CIbXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC) On 7 maj 2006, at 06.06, Tony K wrote: > I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I =20 > tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 =20 > and it=92s not doing quite what I expect. It=92ll sustain forever, = but =20 > if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn=92t seem to pick =20= > up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick =20= > behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new =20 > note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set =20 > the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick =20 > behind the E-Bow with my right hand? Wow, what a cool discovery! You should develop a technique to play =20 with the guitar sound in harmonies over the synth sound (that stays =20 on the original note while you e-bow your heart out) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 11:11:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E87B53BEDF; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <445DCFC5.6080809@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:45:25 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks References: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:11:55 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to mention that a creative credit for this tool has to be given to Mr. Claude Voit, who enlightned me about the "two separate racks" idea. Hi Claude, wait for you here ;-) best, luca www.unguitar.com Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dears, > I just thought to inform you I put what I called "rack bridge" on ebay > here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7411635901&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > > just in case someone finds it suitable for their needs. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 12:50:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C3B23BEE4; Sun, 7 May 2006 12:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bow question Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 12:50:54 +0000 Message-Id: <050720061250.1857.445DED2E0008C328000007412206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:50:56 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they don't work well with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not much of an attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The techniques you mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow down and letting it lightly hit the string will do it and give some weird harmonics at the same time. Not appropriate in all circumstances, though! Have fun with your new toy! :-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" > I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried > using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's not > doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just slide down > to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the synth > keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on > really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to > impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have > to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 04:06:35 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just got an E-Bow after lusting = after one for a few decades.  I tried using it with my Brian Moore = iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it’s not doing quite what I = expect.  It’ll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR = doesn’t seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same = note.  If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.  Does anybody have any wisdom to impart?  Do I need to = set the sensitivity on the GR lower?  Do I just have to learn to pick = behind the E-Bow with my right hand?

 

I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 = and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise!  Drone-y loops and = great sustain.  Nice.

 

Thanks,

=

Tony

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1857_1147006254_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 14:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687BA3BEDE; Sun, 7 May 2006 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <050720061250.1857.445DED2E0008C328000007412206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> References: <050720061250.1857.445DED2E0008C328000007412206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--946872680 Message-Id: <5e3f858ee46b31686af6084651722b21@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:18:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--946872680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly=20= play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with=20 distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is=20= clean sounds? Cheers, Nico Am 07.05.2006 um 14:50 schrieb Christophe: > I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they don't work well=20= > with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not much of=20= > an attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The=20 > techniques you mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow=20= > down and letting it lightly hit the string will do it and give some=20 > weird harmonics at the same time. Not appropriate in all=20 > circumstances, though! > > Have fun with your new toy! :-) > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Tony K" >> I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I=20 >> tried >> using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's=20= >> not >> doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just=20 >> slide down >> to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the=20 >> synth >> keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer = on >> really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom = to >> impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just=20= >> have >> to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? > > > Von: "Tony K" > Datum: 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: E-bow question > > > I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades.=A0 I=20 > tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and=20= > it=92s not doing quite what I expect.=A0 It=92ll sustain forever, but = if I=20 > just slide down to another note, the GR doesn=92t seem to pick up the=20= > change and the synth keeps playing the same note.=A0 If I pick behind=20= > the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.=A0 Does=20= > anybody have any wisdom to impart?=A0 Do I need to set the sensitivity=20= > on the GR lower?=A0 Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow=20= > with my right hand? > =A0 > I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make=20 > some cool noise!=A0 Drone-y loops and great sustain.=A0 Nice. > =A0 > Thanks, > Tony --Apple-Mail-1--946872680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is clean sounds? Cheers, Nico Am 07.05.2006 um 14:50 schrieb Christophe: I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they don't work well with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not much of an attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The techniques you mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow down and letting it lightly hit the string will do it and give some weird harmonics at the same time. Not appropriate in all circumstances, though! Have fun with your new toy! :-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" < I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's not doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? 0000,0000,0000 Von: "Tony K" < 0000,0000,0000Datum: 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00 0000,0000,0000An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Betreff: E-bow question = Arial0000,0000,8080I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades.=A0 I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it=92s not doing quite what I expect.=A0 It=92ll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn=92t seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note.=A0 If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.=A0 Does anybody have any wisdom to impart?=A0 Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower?=A0 Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise!=A0 Drone-y loops and great sustain.=A0 = Nice. = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080Thanks, = Arial0000,0000,8080Tony = --Apple-Mail-1--946872680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 14:19:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A586C3BEE4; Sun, 7 May 2006 14:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01ff01c671e1$451b86d0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0200_01C671BF.BE09E6D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5e3f858ee46b31686af6084651722b21@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZx4OqmK2SZDU0+TLiKvZhLgRg9ggAAAxVQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:19:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C671BF.BE09E6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolutely...it also works on acoustic. I use an older one; apparently it takes a little longer for the strings to kick in on these old ones (also no on/off switch), but I love it. I do use it with guitar synth too, but never triggering the synth by itself, always in the background of the guitar. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is clean sounds? Cheers, Nico Am 07.05.2006 um 14:50 schrieb Christophe: I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they don't work well with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not much of an attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The techniques you mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow down and letting it lightly hit the string will do it and give some weird harmonics at the same time. Not appropriate in all circumstances, though! Have fun with your new toy! :-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's not doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? Von: "Tony K" Datum: 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: E-bow question I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's not doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise! Drone-y loops and great sustain. Nice. Thanks, Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C671BF.BE09E6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Absolutely...it also works on acoustic. I use an older one; = apparently it=20 takes a little longer for the strings to kick in on these old ones (also = no=20 on/off switch), but I love it. I do use it with guitar synth too, but = never=20 triggering the synth by itself, always in the background of the=20 guitar.

Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices
http://www.hazardfactor.com


Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, = too. I=20 mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it = with=20 distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that = is clean=20 sounds?

Cheers,

Nico




Am 07.05.2006 um = 14:50=20 schrieb Christophe:

I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they = don't work=20 well with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not = much of an=20 attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The = techniques you=20 mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow down and = letting it=20 lightly hit the string will do it and give some weird harmonics at = the same=20 time. Not appropriate in all circumstances, though!

Have fun = with=20 your new toy! :-)

-------------- Original message=20 ----------------------
From: "Tony K" = <bigtony@softhome.net>
I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few = decades.=20 I tried
using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland = GR50 and=20 it's not
doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but = if I=20 just slide down
to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up = the=20 change and the synth
keeps playing the same note. If I pick = behind the=20 E-Bow, or hammer on
really hard, then I get the new note. Does = anybody=20 have any wisdom to
impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on = the GR=20 lower? Do I just have
to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my = right=20 hand?


Von: "Tony K" = <bigtony@softhome.net>
Datum: = 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00
An:=20 = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 E-bow question


I=20 just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades.  I = tried=20 using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and = it’s not=20 doing quite what I expect.  It’ll sustain forever, but if = I just slide=20 down to another note, the GR doesn’t seem to pick up the = change and the=20 synth keeps playing the same note.  If I pick behind the E-Bow, = or=20 hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.  Does anybody = have any=20 wisdom to impart?  Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR=20 lower?  Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with = my right=20 hand?
 
I=20 played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make = some cool=20 noise!  Drone-y loops and great sustain.  = Nice.
 
Thanks,
Tony=
------=_NextPart_000_0200_01C671BF.BE09E6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 15:15:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FD73BEDE; Sun, 7 May 2006 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0E4D4F65-22B1-4C68-9772-8DE362A5C85D@arcor.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Ebow distortion Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:15:24 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <3CyYeD.A.QI.Q8gXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is clean sounds? Nico, that sound IS the clean sound, it doesn't get any less distorted due to the nature of Ebow tone production. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 15:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 975D63BED9; Sun, 7 May 2006 15:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bv9Vmjrrww9XQTXEVS2q7KKF3qdaX7j5L/ja4Tig4zIVFH888DMtXb7isY6RnSPLVVV9fchImwJRcGG27JCV+RrCHmhaChGHAU80prjIJOCSmodLVagp2q2HaEhbjj//qbKNVJT1rwyoX5JqJJaZ+Hoqyl7UugJCbdYE2u+qrwU= ; Message-ID: <20060507154353.97577.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Ebow distortion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0E4D4F65-22B1-4C68-9772-8DE362A5C85D@arcor.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5D17dD.A.z-.7WhXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the Ebow is a lot more responsive with your distortion pedal turned off, but the nature of its sustain is similar to clipping. Experimentation with different gain settings will get different tones out of it, but the 'typical' harmonic-laden ebow sound is much like the tone Robert Fripp got on his first albums with Eno by using a lot of amp gain right on the verge of feedback (NOT an ebow, but it sounds like it). Try rolling your guitar's volume knob way back; with less pickup gain, the subtleties of the ebow's tones are more pronounced, although the characteristic sustain is always going to be pretty much associated with square-wavish distortion. They're fun on acoustic, too; if you follow the link in my sig file to my 'Mesh' CD, you can hear a clip of my tune 'Gauss' which is ebowed/looped acoustic... -t- --- Andreas Willers wrote: > Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting > one, too. I > mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and > heard people use it > with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well > with non-distorted, > that is clean sounds? > > > > Nico, > that sound IS the clean sound, it doesn't get any > less distorted due > to the nature of Ebow tone production. > > Andreas > > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 16:25:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 235CB3BEE0; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5e3f858ee46b31686af6084651722b21@gmx.net> References: <050720061250.1857.445DED2E0008C328000007412206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> <5e3f858ee46b31686af6084651722b21@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: E-bow question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:25:48 +0000 (UTC) At 4:18 PM +0200 5/7/06, nico spahni wrote: >Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I >mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use >it with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with >non-distorted, that is clean sounds? As others have mentioned, yes, you can get clear, ringing (almost sine-like) tones. One frequently-used E-Bow technique, though, is to move the little bugger directly over the top of the pickup. This will force the magnetic field into the pickup itself, and cause the that pickup to overdrive. So, you can start with a clean tone by placing the E-Bow way up the neck, for instance, then "fade up" the distortion by gradually moving it closer and closer until you're over the pickups themselves. It's a really seductive technique, since your guitar feels alive in your hands anyway. That's probably a portion of why you say that you've only heard people use it with distorted sounds. --m. -- _______ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 16:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 193A33BEE4; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KQk1GHBpwlyqMGZyGezApU5cYetLoAAud2lTqc72WCt7sS1Az+yauDlR3VQbsM9Q1of7/cgjjObswvl6WtxM4ffo5nEtDG6tN/Vbt8vnpCU8vFNhRk2ijA4ikXfajjuyjJJtdwirbtfqB+rvKkxWonjKW9/llnZI0/MebOIxM3w= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 12:43:45 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 Midi Channel HELP! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Just picked one of these up. I have managed to program bank 0 for my EDP. The manual is a little confusing, let me get this straight, it takes a whole bank to be able to use all 10 buttons with the EDP correct? Like a preset is just one button so you got to set up all 10 presets in a bank each sending a single MIDI note message to utilize this thing 10 buttons with the EDP right? Anyway I got bank 0 setup with the EDP. I want to make bank 1 only send messages on MIDI channel 2 because I am using it to control Logic and dont want any confusion with the EDP or Logic recieving messages from there non designated bank. Any ideas on how to globally change MIDI channel for an entire bank? I did not find this info in the manual in a matter I could understand. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 16:55:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7509A3BEE2; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7ccda8552cbf9668788e733569ef16e2@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: FCB1010 Midi Channel HELP! Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:57:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, Unfortunately, it isn't possible to assign midi channels to individual banks, only to PCs, CCs and Notes as a whole (see 2.2.2 in the manual - provided you have the same manual). For example: PC1 = ch 4; PC2 = ch 6; CC1 = ch 9 etc. Cheers, Nico Am 07.05.2006 um 18:43 schrieb mark t: > Just picked one of these up. I have managed to program bank 0 for my > EDP. The manual is a little confusing, let me get this straight, it > takes a whole bank to be able to use all 10 buttons with the EDP > correct? Like a preset is just one button so you got to set up all 10 > presets in a bank each sending a single MIDI note message to utilize > this thing 10 buttons with the EDP right? > > Anyway I got bank 0 setup with the EDP. I want to make bank 1 only > send messages on MIDI channel 2 because I am using it to control Logic > and dont want any confusion with the EDP or Logic recieving messages > from there non designated bank. Any ideas on how to globally change > MIDI channel for an entire bank? I did not find this info in the > manual in a matter I could understand. Thanks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 17:05:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F191C3BEE0; Sun, 7 May 2006 17:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bow question Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:05:51 +0000 Message-Id: <050720061705.18533.445E28EF00090503000048652207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:05:54 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It does. It produces a very strong signal and you really have to back off the volume control on the guitar. Regards, Chris > Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly > play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with > distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is > clean sounds? > > Cheers, > > Nico --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: nico spahni To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:17:06 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is clean sounds? Cheers, Nico Am 07.05.2006 um 14:50 schrieb Christophe: I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they don't work well with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not much of an attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The techniques you mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow down and letting it lightly hit the string will do it and give some weird harmonics at the same time. Not appropriate in all circumstances, though! Have fun with your new toy! :-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" < I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's not doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? 0000,0000,0000 Von: "Tony K" < 0000,0000,0000Datum: 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00 0000,0000,0000An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Betreff: E-bow question = Arial0000,0000,8080I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades.=A0 I tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it=92s not doing quite what I expect.=A0 It=92ll sustain forever, but if I just slide down to another note, the GR doesn=92t seem to pick up the change and the synth keeps playing the same note.=A0 If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.=A0 Does anybody have any wisdom to impart?=A0 Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower?=A0 Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make some cool noise!=A0 Drone-y loops and great sustain.=A0 = Nice. = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 = Arial0000,0000,8080Thanks, = Arial0000,0000,8080Tony = --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18533_1147021551_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 17:44:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280A43BEE4; Sun, 7 May 2006 17:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TRvB51tImr2F4RPu2ux7v7ji0Um2rl+8Ghxf8GY+HM8gxC3psiKdXovPJ4pb89OjjQwAdKEaUMaz8WtywWNknrPtLyhzV4G4OMiPDqo184s3CBtBcg14k9iBYt4sid7xAU9Xam7NkeFi4b7r7eQAR+96KKsEMtMtGJenBmcizvk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:44:44 -0700 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bow question In-Reply-To: <5e3f858ee46b31686af6084651722b21@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <050720061250.1857.445DED2E0008C328000007412206824693CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <5e3f858ee46b31686af6084651722b21@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Check out the demo on the site or call the number. http://www.ebow.com/ebow/demoline.htm On 5/7/06, nico spahni wrote: > Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly > play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with > distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is > clean sounds? > > Cheers, > > Nico > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 17:48:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CFA3BEE1; Sun, 7 May 2006 17:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0E4D4F65-22B1-4C68-9772-8DE362A5C85D@arcor.de> References: <0E4D4F65-22B1-4C68-9772-8DE362A5C85D@arcor.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--942740228 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Ebow distortion Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 08:27:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <3tGydC.A._PF.EMjXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:48:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--942740228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Used one on the record I'm doing with my daughter for Universal and EVERYONE loves it. Young folks say, "Pink Floyd". Fogeys say, "Ah! What IS that sound? The Ebow! I love it!" I think I used it on a Strat through my little Panaramic (Magnatone) amp (no stomp boxes etc) and it screams. Mic'd with TLM 103 - front/Sennheiser 421-back on the amp. Works on acoustic really well too... but you have to fiddle with the location on the string. Different guitars want different placement of the ebow. Some like it right up by the neck. Some take a while to get resonating. And it is OUTRAGEOUS with slide. On a resonator guitar you can get harmonics that are totally offworld. On the new ones there are two settings - one for cleaner and one for harmonics. I almost always use the harmonic setting. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-May-06, at 8:15 AM, Andreas Willers wrote: > Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly > play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with > distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that > is clean sounds? > > > > Nico, > that sound IS the clean sound, it doesn't get any less distorted due > to the nature of Ebow tone production. > > Andreas > --Apple-Mail-4--942740228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Used one on the record I'm doing with my daughter for Universal and EVERYONE loves it. Young folks say, "Pink Floyd". Fogeys say, "Ah! What IS that sound? The Ebow! I love it!" I think I used it on a Strat through my little Panaramic (Magnatone) amp (no stomp boxes etc) and it screams. Mic'd with TLM 103 - front/Sennheiser 421-back on the amp. Works on acoustic really well too... but you have to fiddle with the location on the string. Different guitars want different placement of the ebow. Some like it right up by the neck. Some take a while to get resonating. And it is OUTRAGEOUS with slide. On a resonator guitar you can get harmonics that are totally offworld. On the new ones there are two settings - one for cleaner and one for harmonics. I almost always use the harmonic setting. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 7-May-06, at 8:15 AM, Andreas Willers wrote: Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is clean sounds? Nico, that sound IS the clean sound, it doesn't get any less distorted due to the nature of Ebow tone production. Andreas --Apple-Mail-4--942740228-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 18:52:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F54D3BEE1; Sun, 7 May 2006 18:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0E4D4F65-22B1-4C68-9772-8DE362A5C85D@arcor.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--930492352 Message-Id: <51CE76F7-DE89-42AF-BEFF-991CDBA4866E@the0verclock.com> From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: Ebow distortion Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 14:51:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:52:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--930492352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On May 7, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > And it is OUTRAGEOUS with slide. Yes. Or fretless. http://www.unfretted.com/pages/classes/mp3/ebow_taksim.mp3 - b --Apple-Mail-1--930492352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On May 7, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Richard Sales wrote:
And it is OUTRAGEOUS with slide.


Yes. Or fretless.


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--Apple-Mail-1--930492352-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 18:57:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B188B3BEE0; Sun, 7 May 2006 18:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Ebow distortion Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:57:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C671CD.5E0E55F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3a5au.A.R8.DMkXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:57:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C671CD.5E0E55F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah the e-bow, or as I like to call it. Kim's Lil' Friend....... One thing I found missing from this thread (and maybe I just haven't read everyone's post completely, and I'm sure the archive's have extensive posts) , is how important the tone control is in shaping the Ebow's sonic signature. I rarely if ever use the Ebow with my tone control wide open, simply because I prefer a mellower cello -like sound from my ebow, not so much the extreme fuzz personality it exhibits. Often I roll all of the highs off to achieve an almost flute-like quality. Also fanning the e-bow across the strings particularly with a delay set to tempo, yields wonderful sounds. Ebow on slide or lap steel as mentioned is particularly effective for creating middle eastern and Hindustani influenced sounds, Gareth Whitock has a great technique he uses on his custom grafted lap/ electric double neck guitar hybrid, with an ebow, his finger nails, and an infinity for North African music. Another reason I still love ebows. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C671CD.5E0E55F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah the=20 e-bow, or as I like to call it. Kim's Lil' = Friend.......
 One thing I found missing from this thread (and maybe I = just=20 haven't read everyone's post  completely, and I'm sure the = archive's have=20 extensive posts) , is how important the tone control is in shaping = the=20 Ebow's sonic signature. I rarely if ever use the Ebow with my tone = control wide=20 open, simply because I prefer a mellower cello -like sound from my ebow, = not so=20 much the extreme fuzz personality it exhibits.  Often I roll = all of=20 the highs off to achieve an almost flute-like quality.  Also = fanning the=20 e-bow across the strings particularly with a delay set to tempo, yields=20 wonderful sounds. Ebow on slide or lap steel as mentioned is = particularly=20 effective for creating middle eastern and Hindustani influenced sounds, = Gareth=20 Whitock has a great technique he uses on his custom grafted lap/ = electric double=20 neck guitar hybrid, with an ebow, his finger nails, and an infinity for = North=20 African music.  Another reason I still love = ebows.
Bill
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C671CD.5E0E55F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 19:58:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A7913BEE1; Sun, 7 May 2006 19:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <445E5268.2090704@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 22:02:48 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Routing on MaxMSP/Reaktor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Given that both Rme and Motu understimate their interfaces potential as splitter/routers/mixer while giving them no chance for real time midi control ( and don't tell me Mackie emulation protocol is a solution), I am about to choose an application between the following to use as a real time ( means that all faders/sends/volumes have to be midi controlled and that routing can be morphed or saved as a different patch): Max Msp, Reaktor, Bidule, etc. Once the control I need is there, the other important thing to make the right choice is how ram/cpu eager they are. Thank a lot for your time. best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 20:21:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA773BEDF; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,99,1146456000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="2130037080:sNHT71211240" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <445E5268.2090704@unguitar.com> References: <445E5268.2090704@unguitar.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--925099495 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Routing on MaxMSP/Reaktor Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:21:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:21:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--925099495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Keep an eye on Phrazor: http://www.sonicbytes.com/, unless you're on a Mac:( On May 7, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > means that all faders/sends/volumes have to be midi controlled and > that routing can be morphed or saved as a different patch --Apple-Mail-1--925099495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Keep an eye on Phrazor:=A0http://www.sonicbytes.com/, = unless you're on a Mac:(


On May 7, = 2006, at 1:02 PM, Luca Formentini wrote:

means that all = faders/sends/volumes have to be midi controlled and that routing can be = morphed or saved as a different patch

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= --Apple-Mail-1--925099495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 20:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114243BEDE; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 Midi Channel HELP! Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:41:05 -0400 Message-ID: <022e01c67216$903383e0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZx9WkMF3vpkruKR7C1blRSIaoufQAIMx/Q X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Certainly no way to do this, but I do recommend joining the FCB Yahoo group- lots of people who have unraveled that crypic manual and assembled detailed FAQs. Also, there are 'unofficial' firmwares out there- none that give you what you want, but there might be other functions that are useful. There are also PC editors available, which make it *much easier* to program this thing. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Just picked one of these up. I have managed to program bank > 0 for my EDP. The manual is a little confusing, let me get > this straight, it takes a whole bank to be able to use all > 10 buttons with the EDP correct? Like a preset is just one > button so you got to set up all 10 presets in a bank each > sending a single MIDI note message to utilize this thing 10 > buttons with the EDP right? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 20:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C04763BECC; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qZd3yqfEq+AGXLgAuv21NE5lXP+/FsdJyCyCy1CzVGF5oRJV+65Px0eDI0aH1KTe/xmhCTxMgZj3wUa+XoJhmBKjrym0/FOGDHTXnyo8ti+25FZiDSi7bHmJ66DH7g7n/bG9yOT5rPtaWtQONQz2kZcRb4Mbib+iNCeTFE0yE1c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <445E5268.2090704@unguitar.com> References: <445E5268.2090704@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Routing on MaxMSP/Reaktor Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 22:46:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <7cItM.A.zZE.BzlXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:46:57 +0000 (UTC) On 7 maj 2006, at 22.02, Luca Formentini wrote: > I am about to choose an application between the following to use > as a real time ( means that all faders/sends/volumes have to be > midi controlled and that routing can be morphed or saved as a > different patch): Max Msp, Reaktor, Bidule, etc. My guess is that both Max and Reaktor is way overkill for a "programmable patch bay" functionality. So this leaves Bidule. That is if you don't want to use Ableton Live for this - I know exactly how to do what you want i Live but I would guess it can be done just as easy in Bidule. Maybe Live would be a bit overkill too. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 22:48:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D93843BED8; Sun, 7 May 2006 22:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,99,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="100140273:sNHT17009920" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> References: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <126d75455b34997fb31b0922cdebb5d2@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:49:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 22:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Luca, Where was this thing all my life. Too late. I am stuck with a single 16-space shock-mout rack now. Ouch! You should market this thing. Ted On May 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dears, > I just thought to inform you I put what I called "rack bridge" on ebay > here: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=7411635901&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > just in case someone finds it suitable for their needs. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 7 23:09:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22B1A3BED8; Sun, 7 May 2006 23:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hxdHbg60hDwTEQMUUVk/4zw/daNbdLo6Fz0gFFLnmEMQMwsU6vUCIqxliJNJ2A8U; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <20481784.1147043345956.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:09:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd488c2a8def90fdbfe17b2af0c54f3e5b3bac30c6e5e32ee181350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: <3BBVDB.A.K5B.S4nXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:09:07 +0000 (UTC) just fer info's sake ted-wots in that 16 spaces of rack if ya care to list = it-privately or on this site... inquirin minds etc. also, glad you recovered enuff to gig. howzit goin, recovery-wise? s -----Original Message----- >From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn >Sent: May 7, 2006 3:49 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks > >Luca, > >Where was this thing all my life. Too late. I am stuck with a single =20 >16-space shock-mout rack now. Ouch! > >You should market this thing. > >Ted > >On May 6, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Luca Formentini wrote: > >> Hi dears, >> I just thought to inform you I put what I called "rack bridge" on ebay = =20 >> here: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?=20 >> ViewItem&item=3D7411635901&rd=3D1&sspagename=3DSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=3D1 >> >> just in case someone finds it suitable for their needs. >> >> my best, >> luca >> www.unguitar.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 01:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 725DE3BECC; Mon, 8 May 2006 01:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=c8VRYwIZFgecXpg3MJhNhn7ypK4qzxdsLPvu6+cn3iHFtLDNO/hHARiUcOXxK0j/; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220065181826630@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bow question Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:08:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94055390c2b15e29b6c59b1ca39ce83a7d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.58 Resent-Message-ID: <5uxn4D.A.fUG.8mpXEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 01:07:08 +0000 (UTC) I recorded with an E-Bow while using a clean sound. ("He Is Radio" from my "Un-Stableboy" disc.) It worked great! (Granted, what starts out as a clean sound can saturate a bit due to the phenomenal signal an E-bow can kick out.) E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some avant cat in Signal to Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs. ~Tim Mungenast www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: nico spahni > To: > Date: 5/7/2006 10:17:04 AM > Subject: Re: E-bow question > > Speaking of which, I've been thinking about getting one, too. I mostly > play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard people use it with > distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with non-distorted, that is > clean sounds? > > Cheers, > > Nico > > > > > Am 07.05.2006 um 14:50 schrieb Christophe: > > > I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found that they don't work well > > with any kind of triggered device. The fact that there's not much of > > an attack for the trigger to detect is the factor, I assume. The > > techniques you mentioned are the way to go. Also, pressing the E-bow > > down and letting it lightly hit the string will do it and give some > > weird harmonics at the same time. Not appropriate in all > > circumstances, though! > > > > Have fun with your new toy! :-) > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Tony K" > >> I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades. I > >> tried > >> using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and it's > >> not > >> doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain forever, but if I just > >> slide down > >> to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up the change and the > >> synth > >> keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind the E-Bow, or hammer on > >> really hard, then I get the new note. Does anybody have any wisdom to > >> impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on the GR lower? Do I just > >> have > >> to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right hand? > > > > > > Von: "Tony K" > > Datum: 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: E-bow question > > > > > > I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for a few decades.  I > > tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a Roland GR50 and > > it’s not doing quite what I expect.  It’ll sustain forever, but if I > > just slide down to another note, the GR doesn’t seem to pick up the > > change and the synth keeps playing the same note.  If I pick behind > > the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get the new note.  Does > > anybody have any wisdom to impart?  Do I need to set the sensitivity > > on the GR lower?  Do I just have to learn to pick behind the E-Bow > > with my right hand? > >   > > I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and boy does that make > > some cool noise!  Drone-y loops and great sustain.  Nice. > >   > > Thanks, > > Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 01:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E100D3BEDB; Mon, 8 May 2006 01:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more ambient tuba Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 01:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Two sets from today's session of my as-yet-unnamed duo using tuba live looping and processing (I'm doing the looping and sampling and processing, not the tuba playing - that's my partner): http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_7may2006_1.mp3 (16min12sec) http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/tuba_7may2006_2.mp3 (12min25sec) The first is a minimalist ambient soundscape, the second is more... energetic? I could try to describe it, but I don't want to skew peoples' perceptions overly much. All live improv playing, looping and processing of tuba, no extraneous additives or previously prepared samples. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 04:27:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BF173BED9; Mon, 8 May 2006 04:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:27:46 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm started Internet radio for iTunes and Real One Player. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 04:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi, sorry for off topic.. electr-ohm started Internet radio for iTunes and Real One Player. please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Thanks Sunao http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.electr-ohm.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 05:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0EB93BECA; Mon, 8 May 2006 05:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Pt 1 - Debashis Sinha w Ben Grossman + Kathy Kennedy Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 01:48:22 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c67263$04232a20$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 05:46:56 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday May 9th . RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 A special presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art featuring Debashis Sinha with Ben Grossman and Kathy Kennedy As part of the 5th annual Deep Wireless festival, a month long celebration of radio art presented by New Adventures in Sound Art, this installment of RADiO iN AMBiENCE begins with Indian percussionist and sound artist Debashis Sinha with world musician Ben Grossman in a set that uses the radio as a sound source and mixed with various percussion instruments to create ambient music. Also, Deep Wireless artist in residence Kathy Kennedy will perform a solo set of electroacoustic vocal compositions. New Adventures in Sound Art: http://www.naisa.ca Deep Wireless: http://www.naisa.ca/deepwireless Debashis Sinha: http://www.debsinha.com Ben Grossman: http://www.macrophone.org Kathy Kennedy: http://www.kathykennedy.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . Everlasting Moment by The Ministry of Inside Things As a prelude to their return to the PiNG on June 6th, we'll be spinning this double CD released in 2003 of The Ministry of Inside Things performing their unique brand of spacemusic live at a number of venues in 2002. This week we'll cue up EM1 and follow with EM2 next week to get us ready for this third visit by the Philadelphia based MOIT. http://www.synkronosmusic.com/moit.html Between Sets CD . The Cerulean Suite by Nunc Stans The source of Nunc Stans is the arctic air of northern Canada where, every year, the passage of time becomes barely discernable and the landscape develops into something unchanging ... something endless. The music of Nunc Stans, however, has a warmth, a magic, and an introspective depth especially reminiscent of artists like Oophoi, Greinke, Biosphere, and Lammergeyer. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.databloem.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday May 16th . RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 A special presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art featuring NOiNO (Jim Bailey, Matthew Poulakakis & Jamie Todd) For part 2 of RADiO iN AMBiENCE, we dial up the third ever performance of NOiNO as Jim Bailey (Odradek and Six Heads), Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats, salvagesound and Solipsystem) and Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, SADU, Sylken and URM) plug in to appropriate the airwaves. Tune in as NOiNO hunts and gathers radio frequencies plucked from the atmosphere to be coalesced with archival broadcast samples and melded into a evolving repurposed sound construct as it passes through the NOiNO transistors. http://www.pingthings.com/AFmolasses.htm http://www.pingthings.com/SALVAGESOUND.htm http://www.pingthings.com/DSpassage.htm http://www.pingthings.com/URM1.htm http://www.pingthings.com/URM2.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Nunc Stans . "The Cerulean Suite" Nunc Stans is a recent addition to the dataObscura label and in keeping with labelmates The Circular Ruins and Lammergeyer, their first offering "The Cerulean Suite" is a beautiful disc of slowly building organic ambience, a fine example of minimalism sure to delight fans of the label's other releases. Opening with "Endless in Itself", the disc begins with drifting and building pads that flow around the soundscape like waves. Slowly they give way to light melodic accompaniment, the track taking shape and form, gaining substance. It's a lovely track, a wonderful way to begin the disc. "A Logic of Dissolution" follows, a liquid track with deep analog sounds blending in with more textural pads. Tones grow and build in intensity, weaving throughout the track to create a beautiful latticework of sound. Track three, "It Passes Before You" follows a similar path, droning tones passing over top a steaming, gaseous mass of sound. It's a haunting piece, something that evokes images of fog and wet side streets and the sounds of footsteps in the distance. A brilliant piece that inspires a tremendous amount of imagery. "Plane of Similitude" closes the disc, starting with very sparse and simple drones gaining in strength while distorted voices pass through the soundfield eventually being paired with a looping synth line. Very nice material that encapsulates a sense of wonder, mystery and possibility all at once. Certainly dataObscura has been known for high quality releases that capture the ambient ideal. With the release of Nunc Stans' "The Cerulean Suite", the label has found yet another artist to continue this tradition. An excellent release well worth further investigation. rik - ping things "The Cerulean Suite" is available now at ping things! Visit http://www.pingthings.com/NUNCSTANS.htm to hear mp3 samples. And be sure to turn into ping things radio on Sundays and Wednesdays from 9pm to 12 midnight EST at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment This week will feature tracks from Nunc Stans as well as music from other artists in the ping things catalogue! http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday May 10th . Neil Innes & Friends Composer/singer/songwriter Neil Innes, of Monty Python's Flying Circus, the Rutles and Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band plays Toronto! Join Neil Innes and Friends for a rare evening of music & comedy. 8 pm . Jane Mallett Theatre at StLC . $32 * Wed. & Thurs. May 10th & 11th . MusicaNoir/Ensemble Noir presents The World Premiere of Orange Clouds - a video-cantata for 3 singers, chamber ensemble, projector and a butterfly net! Orange Clouds infiltrates the genre of the cantata to explore the concept of precedence: why do we care who was the "first" to do this, the "first" to do that? Libretto: John Greyson, Video: Geoff Pugen, Music: Bongani Ndodana-Breen Chantelle Grant (soprano), Vanya Abrahams (tenor), Ray McKenna (baritone) and the MusicaNoir Chamber Players conducted by Ndodana-Breen. 7.30PM . Innis Town Hall . 2 Sussex Ave. . $25 * Thursday, May 11th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East * Friday, May 12th . Synchro presents DJ DALIA with resident DJs DENISE BENSON & ANDREW ALLSGOOD Andy Poolhall, 489 College St., Toronto no cover before midnight - $5 after - 19+ * Saturday May 13rd . Deep Wireless presents Power Up by Kathy Kennedy Kathy Kennedy will apply her skills in sonic choreography and public guerilla sound art to the Toronto urban soundscape with transmission arts performances in parks, street corners, and other sites of dense concentration of Torontonians. 7pm . Music Gallery and moving out to surrounding environs St. George the Martyr . 197 John St. . FREE * Saturday May 13rd . Deep Wireless presents Trevor Wishart in concert performing Red Bird, Two Women and The Division of Labour: 15 variations on a theme of Adam Smith Deep wireless artist in residence Wishart is a composer and performer specializing in sound metamorphosis and constructing the software tools to make it possible (Sound Loom/CDP) 8pm . Music Gallery . St. George the Martyr . 197 John St. $15 regular + door/$12 student + advance * Sunday May 14th . Michael Keith A solo concert of improvised guitar 4pm . Argonaut Rowing Club . 1225 Lakeshore Blvd. W. . $5 * Sunday May 14th . Madawaska String Quartet . State of the Art Collaboration with composers Mike Kane, Dustin Peters, David Occhipinti and Sundar Subramanian 8PM . Music Gallery . St. George the Martyr . 197 John St. $20 regular/$15 member + senior/$5 student * May 1st - 31st . New Adventures In Sound Art Presents: Deep Wireless Festival. a month-long celebration of radio and transmission art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can experience performances, sound installations, new commissions, special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Conference Pass $150/130 (+$20 discount - early bird registration) Early bird registration deadline is April 14th, day rates available. May 1st - 31st . The Drake Hotel (1150 Queen St W) & Ryerson University Student Campus Centre (55 Gould St) more info at http://www.deepwireless.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 06:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A7F3BEDC; Mon, 8 May 2006 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.68.131.154] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: nu zoom Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi all the gearheads out there! Just browsing in my local music shop the other day when i came across this little beauty http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g92tt/ - some of you will no doubt laugh up your respective sleeves at its paltry 5 secs of sampling time. Scoff not I say for it cradles within its steely carapace a brace of valves, (tubes to our american friends) I am about to go in and try one out................. I may be some time.................. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 07:12:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C4273BEC2; Mon, 8 May 2006 07:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mech Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:12:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: E-bow Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <445EFD59.27669.C53B3@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:12:23 +0000 (UTC) On 7 May 2006 at 11:25, mech wrote: > One frequently-used E-Bow technique, though, is to move > the little bugger directly over the top of the pickup. One I use a lot is to roll all the treble off the pickup - you get a fair impression of a flute, if you give some thought to finger vibrato. Using a foot volume pedal allows you to bring in the volume to a sensible level - it's tricky to get this right first time wihtout one - either you're too quiet or (more often) too loud and adjusting the volume knob whilst holding the e-bow is a tad tricky ;) All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 12:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A573E3BED9; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAN/LXkSIcyw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060508125322.01afb170@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:04:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <20060507195816.1BC4B3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060507195816.1BC4B3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:05:00 +0000 (UTC) > One thing I found missing from this thread (and maybe I just > haven't read everyone's post completely, and I'm sure the > archive's have extensive posts) , is how important the tone control > is in shaping the Ebow's sonic signature. I rarely if ever use the > Ebow with my tone control wide open, simply because I prefer a > mellower cello -like sound from my ebow, not so much the extreme > fuzz personality it exhibits. Often I roll all of the highs off to > achieve an almost flute-like quality. another way to a more mellow tone is to gently touch the palm of the hand on the bridge, slightly dampenning the strings. this also allows you to get low notes on the bass strings, where usually you get harmonics. ( bassoon) Perhaps it's worth saying that the ebow works by putting out an oscillating magnetic field. This can be picked up by a a magnetic guitar pickup, and always sounds distorted. As the ebow gets near the pickup, the volume of the note increases quite dramatically, and this can be quite hard to control. It's easier to run the guitar through a distortion (or just an overdriven amp) in order to help out this problem, but then you don't have the same control. With an acoustic instrument, or one with piezo pickups, you just get the string sound. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84AB3BEDF; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2524612.1147093479160.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 6:04:39 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: E-mails re: Stock Recommendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone else getting e-mails regarding some hot stock purchases? I've been getting these very frequently sof rht epast few days. I'm wondering what the source of the e-mails is. They have different subject lines. Regards, -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:17:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597393BEEE; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=05UAc9DqnGP+1HfQVWO/tbmGBxIPoF6Ws1d4I19ISrj6WBrAPMY5SiuWOmbq/SfUxm/TENOMa1Z7RdY5ojyuahLPNn0jImAF7rKiSJ7NbRHLitybDSDRqBjP5jFflGq7GurcoAIXRyIkgFbbaF8kSVdMtkRoA/P8TTFMm04vE7w= ; Message-ID: <20060508131712.66468.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 06:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: OT: E-mails re: Stock Recommendations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2524612.1147093479160.JavaMail.root@web21> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1115777805-1147094232=:65794" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:17:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1115777805-1147094232=:65794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just got a few at this email but have been getting quite a few at another email for quite a while...*sigh* ted harms. paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: Is anyone else getting e-mails regarding some hot stock purchases? I've been getting these very frequently sof rht epast few days. I'm wondering what the source of the e-mails is. They have different subject lines. Regards, -- Paul Richards --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1115777805-1147094232=:65794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just got a few at this email but have been getting quite a few at another email for quite a while...*sigh*
 
 
ted harms.

paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote:
Is anyone else getting e-mails regarding some hot stock purchases? I've been getting these very frequently sof rht epast few days. I'm wondering what the source of the e-mails is. They have different subject lines.

Regards,
--
Paul Richards


Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1115777805-1147094232=:65794-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:19:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EBB3BEEE; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hfjIqUxZQOH5RBO0Hg0u70/AdM2k2/LLo+wSWiZs6fpBdhGfeOTa80t2i0BqDjrWSo4tOXqtemw4YL9MNnq8+yKpQjUs000LD4yllmA4YwHV8/eQuPAzzU7qCFbsNrmh42LypiMbKsv6kvAYOZClm382/BHmx1e0Lpc7J+WaQaU= ; Message-ID: <20060508131913.14978.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 06:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re:Re Ebow question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060508125322.01afb170@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1201204055-1147094353=:14294" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:19:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1201204055-1147094353=:14294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit a k butler wrote: With an acoustic instrument, or one with piezo pickups, you just get the string sound. Has anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you know, the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)? ted harms --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1201204055-1147094353=:14294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

With an acoustic instrument, or one with piezo pickups, you just get
the string sound.
Has anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you know, the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)?
 
 
ted harms

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1201204055-1147094353=:14294-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:20:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4173BF00; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5092128.1147094398816.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 6:19:58 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 Availability Date MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:20:00 +0000 (UTC) I checked AMS and observed that they're still posting 5-15 as the in-stock date. Sweetwater's site appeared to have them in stock. Wonder when they will start rolling into (and out of) AMS & MF? -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF3C3BF08; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445F45E6.3040000@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:21:42 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: E-mails re: Stock Recommendations References: <20060508131712.66468.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060508131712.66468.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2KVKI.A.XYF.vX0XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:21:51 +0000 (UTC) yes, I get at least 5 a day. Annoys the crap out of me. The worst part is that some actually slip through the Thunderbird spam filter! ;) a. ditch wrestler wrote: > Just got a few at this email but have been getting quite a few at > another email for quite a while...*sigh* > > > ted harms. > > */paulrichard10@adelphia.net/* wrote: > > Is anyone else getting e-mails regarding some hot stock purchases? > I've been getting these very frequently sof rht epast few days. I'm > wondering what the source of the e-mails is. They have different > subject lines. > > Regards, > -- > Paul Richards > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls > > to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15A973BF0D; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14400670.1147094584828.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 6:23:04 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3-ax4B.A.vfF.5Y0XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:23:06 +0000 (UTC) I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording purposes (and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add bass to my compositions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should purchase a 5 string just to try out. Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string? THX! -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:32:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B69B3BEE0; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c672a3$d2729c40$6701a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <5092128.1147094398816.JavaMail.root@web21> Subject: Re: RC-50 Availability Date Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 05:32:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:32:19 +0000 (UTC) I have one on order with Sweetwater and they emailed me last week and said that the updated arrival date for the RC50 in their warehouse was June 16th. here is the Email: Thanks for your order with Sweetwater, my name is Pamela and I am Robert's assistant. I wanted to remind you that the RC50 that was currently out of stock at the time you placed your order, has been on order for you and it will arrive in our warehouse on June 16th. You will get an e-mail with invoice details when it ships out. Please feel free to call in if you have any questions or comments, once again thank you for choosing Sweetwater. Thank you, Pamela Barnhart Administrative Assistant to Robert Williams @1371 800-222-4700 Ext. 1240 pamela_barnhart@sweetwater.com I'm getting impatient because I really need to work with this thing to integrate it into the live act... Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 5:19 AM Subject: RC-50 Availability Date > I checked AMS and observed that they're still posting 5-15 as the in-stock date. > > Sweetwater's site appeared to have them in stock. Wonder when they will start rolling into (and out of) AMS & MF? > > -- > Paul Richards > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E043BED9; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <20060508131913.14978.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060508131913.14978.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 8 May 2006, ditch wrestler wrote: > Has anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you > know, the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)? Not on an acoustic upright bass, but I have some experience with E-Bow on electric upright bass which is hopefully at least tangentially interesting to your question. I use (on occasion) an E-Bow with an electric upright bass (Zeta Crossover), and have tested out an E-Bow on a NS Design full-size electric double bass. It works ok, for given values of ok: 1) given the string spacing is not a guitar, holding the E-Bow in air can be interesting. I have the same problem w/E-Bow on Chapman Stick, and my solution is usually to use the thumb as a pivot hinge to "clamp" the E-Bow. 2) Given the high amplitude of a long, heavy bass string, the string easily exceeds the "sweet spot" of the E-Bow field. So holding the E-Bow closer to the headstock, where the swing of the string is less, helps. However, that exacerbates the third issue: 3) The E-Bow is designed to work with the weight of a guitar string. Bass strings tend to be much thicker, weigh much more, and therefore take more time to get up to speed. For example, on my Zeta Crossover, it can take more than 30 seconds for the E-Bow to vibrate the E string enough to get an audible note. (As a workaround, the E-Bow site has advice on how to speed up a note's appearance, even with guitar strings, including a quiet "tap" of the E-Bow on the string, picking or tapping the string above your fretting hand, anything to help overcome the string's inertia.) I've considered building a magnum e-bow with more power, and perhaps a larger channel, for my use with bass. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:56:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DD2D3BEFA; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K8sJGZSbUhYLmYQF2YPLbMvgxGWbAYwqKYUWZeJqpv4RCWm9raJ3ZqgG4X05eXLIZNSDNPtxAsInsftkCYJbU+h2kgwcFpP3ZOpgyWMkFahc2YeimExh4jZ6AuOznnjMw8YhsC6q4CbLUWfDnk4fhhcxM8C0TxfsFUR01o/Qrso= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:56:46 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass In-Reply-To: <14400670.1147094584828.JavaMail.root@web21> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <14400670.1147094584828.JavaMail.root@web21> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Compelling? Lower notes! I personally got a 4.....but I am a minimalist by nature. If you want the really low tones got with 5 string.....depends on the music and such. 5 strings are a little harder to play. My suggestion go to a music store and play a 5 string than play a 4 string....see what you like better and if you really need that low B. I was debating between 5 and 4 for awhile and went with 4. However if you are considering a bass for looping 5 might be nice to have a little wider tonal range. I use my bass for strictly recording and jamming....looping is all about the guitar for me.=20 later. On 5/8/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording purpos= es (and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add bass to my com= positions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should purchase a 5 string j= ust to try out. Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string? THX! > > -- > Paul Richards > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 13:59:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D4A93BEFF; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [151.198.85.20] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:59:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2006 13:59:52.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADEBE260:01C672A7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely!! Low notes are great and closer to what other keyboards are capable of producing. Be aware that many instruments with five strings have a real lethargic low 'B' string. You can usually get around this with a lighter gage string or a higher grade instrument. Good luck and happy recording! David Grego The Tuba Electric ------------------------------- I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording purposes (and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add bass to my compositions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should purchase a 5 string just to try out. Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string? THX! -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:05:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ADBF3BF13; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [151.198.85.20] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EPD w/loop4 -duh! Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:05:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2006 14:05:40.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D338B40:01C672A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Am I missing something here or what? I have an EPD with newly added Loop 4 software. I can't seem to get any loop to be more than 13 seconds. I used to get 192 seconds with the old software. What am I over looking? David Grego The Tuba Electric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:13:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E6AB3BF12; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c672a9$888784a0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: EPD w/loop4 -duh! Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:13:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:13:03 +0000 (UTC) reopen reseat the 4 simms boards boot or maybe you set it to moreloops:15 Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grego" To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: RE: EPD w/loop4 -duh! > Am I missing something here or what? I have an EPD with newly added Loop > 4 software. I can't seem to get any loop to be more than 13 seconds. I > used to get 192 seconds with the old software. What am I over looking? > > David Grego > The Tuba Electric > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:13:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196A43BF21; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [151.198.85.20] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:13:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2006 14:13:39.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A936BF0:01C672A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:13:41 +0000 (UTC) I concur with all below. I also added my own channels on the e-bow made of plastic and velcro for the strings guide to make life simpler. I can now use a bass with any string spacing. David Grego The Tuba Electric ================================= On Mon, 8 May 2006, ditch wrestler wrote: > Has anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you know, >the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)? Not on an acoustic upright bass, but I have some experience with E-Bow on electric upright bass which is hopefully at least tangentially interesting to your question. I use (on occasion) an E-Bow with an electric upright bass (Zeta Crossover), and have tested out an E-Bow on a NS Design full-size electric double bass. It works ok, for given values of ok: 1) given the string spacing is not a guitar, holding the E-Bow in air can be interesting. I have the same problem w/E-Bow on Chapman Stick, and my solution is usually to use the thumb as a pivot hinge to "clamp" the E-Bow. 2) Given the high amplitude of a long, heavy bass string, the string easily exceeds the "sweet spot" of the E-Bow field. So holding the E-Bow closer to the headstock, where the swing of the string is less, helps. However, that exacerbates the third issue: 3) The E-Bow is designed to work with the weight of a guitar string. Bass strings tend to be much thicker, weigh much more, and therefore take more time to get up to speed. For example, on my Zeta Crossover, it can take more than 30 seconds for the E-Bow to vibrate the E string enough to get an audible note. (As a workaround, the E-Bow site has advice on how to speed up a note's appearance, even with guitar strings, including a quiet "tap" of the E-Bow on the string, picking or tapping the string above your fretting hand, anything to help overcome the string's inertia.) I've considered building a magnum e-bow with more power, and perhaps a larger channel, for my use with bass. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:20:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 133563BF08; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fKoGbjFM3+UffqWi6+Jpm2l4OpZwrEAMfC8jIHVGCTOPw02WRlrNTrHGpoocML5KWX8/U7kr/LARwoNvv8mDbKH0I5IXa9oFCBeI+/lP7ZDHXPpztwFz1Dd+XVCgy4uqRzBkJTXUDN7vqR3EOpaXdNRs0UzB/8Mn1nAb4kPglBs= Message-ID: <913728d60605080720ycc2e593n22fb208c4a45ad1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:20:08 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:12 +0000 (UTC) along with the lower notes, one thing that a lot of people seem to consider is that with a 5 string bass you've got more range in one position...i don't know what kind of bass playing you do, but I know for me I personally like 6 string basses because I have a whole lotta notes and i don't have to move around so much on the fretboard...very much worth it. Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:31:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460E53BF0B; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LJ8m35C4lpmOTcXe94PRsxZ3oqPDTsNGWfVQWisCNBbWCQlY8u/5Udmr0+hP+usvepIALmzzHWpfGCeu+26sOhlTG3Umg3WQFEjNBLbB+OnQ5J8OwVpOddDICoww6PFxrfY2asI6YLLY3kEkJv67ommD/XyPtSyzzCnzwEnDpds= Message-ID: <613c528b0605080731j7d5bce91nfbd0e20a07c00e90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:31:47 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Availability Date MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:31:48 +0000 (UTC) I received this from Musician's Friend late last week: Thanks again for your order XXXXXXXX. We've just heard from our supplier that the backordered item(s) shown below are now due to arrive at our warehouse at a later date. Backordered Items: Item: 151044 03 BOSS RC-50 LOOP STATION KC Previous Date: 20060504 New Date:20060630 We realize this is different than you were originally quoted and sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We know that waiting can be frustrating but please know that we are working to get your complete order to you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBAFE3BF0F; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tPGzASz12JsCtFhjz2iVgkqv4/kJv+qcFtUjnfN/TGHF01C3Ei5WHoCqjlsOEblP; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <18251071.1147099911441.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: E-mails re: Stock Recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405cc43b5ac51b96869bca21c011617b6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, about 3 or 4 "hot stcok" spams per day get past earthlink's pathetic spam filter. They take place along ads for bogus pharmacies, Afro-Bank scams, and those f***ing Euro Lottery schemes, as well as junk wristwatches, etc etc. It's all global organized crime, the lowest form of sh*t. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net >Sent: May 8, 2006 9:04 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: E-mails re: Stock Recommendations > >Is anyone else getting e-mails regarding some hot stock purchases? I've been getting these very frequently sof rht epast few days. I'm wondering what the source of the e-mails is. They have different subject lines. > >Regards, >-- >Paul Richards > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 14:58:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C703BF0A; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UZWq3+4hrmgt1YXaGUwpf17UaPjWtsKIawm1Zd2Bkhjs8JpLw3Y/X57mp6n5MdCfWnqJzyOl6GKRruRlLREVEL7MK/1a8ZdV/jmm9UG5PvYCxZ7IAPhAUmE/D1u+Uo6S2sGao81V203WMSecuV1hw0mRshiGG4WWvIS4SYV6FF8= ; Message-ID: <20060508144626.38614.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: E-bow question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-220065181826630@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9q6HlC.A.6TB.Vy1XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:58:29 +0000 (UTC) I haven't had it for a while, but I remember getting decent results with an ebow and a gk equipped steinberger. However, I found I got even better results if I used a sustain pedal since I wasn't really getting anything but sustain with the ebow/guitar synth combo. Then, I found I could even get better control when I took my gk2 off my guitar, sold it on ebay and used a keyboard to get synth sounds. Amazing. The note keeps going as long as you hold down the key! --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I recorded with an E-Bow while using a clean sound. > ("He Is Radio" from my > "Un-Stableboy" disc.) > It worked great! > (Granted, what starts out as a clean sound can > saturate a bit due to the > phenomenal signal an E-bow can kick out.) > E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some > avant cat in Signal to > Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs. > > ~Tim Mungenast > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > www.mungenast.com > > > > [Original Message] > > From: nico spahni > > To: > > Date: 5/7/2006 10:17:04 AM > > Subject: Re: E-bow question > > > > Speaking of which, I've been thinking about > getting one, too. I mostly > > play clean, though, and I've only seen and heard > people use it with > > distorted sounds. Does it work equally well with > non-distorted, that is > > clean sounds? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > > > Am 07.05.2006 um 14:50 schrieb Christophe: > > > > > I've used one for ages. Overall, I've found > that they don't work well > > > with any kind of triggered device. The fact > that there's not much of > > > an attack for the trigger to detect is the > factor, I assume. The > > > techniques you mentioned are the way to go. > Also, pressing the E-bow > > > down and letting it lightly hit the string will > do it and give some > > > weird harmonics at the same time. Not > appropriate in all > > > circumstances, though! > > > > > > Have fun with your new toy! :-) > > > > > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > > > From: "Tony K" > > >> I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for > a few decades. I > > >> tried > > >> using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar through a > Roland GR50 and it's > > >> not > > >> doing quite what I expect. It'll sustain > forever, but if I just > > >> slide down > > >> to another note, the GR doesn't seem to pick up > the change and the > > >> synth > > >> keeps playing the same note. If I pick behind > the E-Bow, or hammer on > > >> really hard, then I get the new note. Does > anybody have any wisdom to > > >> impart? Do I need to set the sensitivity on > the GR lower? Do I just > > >> have > > >> to learn to pick behind the E-Bow with my right > hand? > > > > > > > > > Von: "Tony K" > > > Datum: 7. Mai 2006 06:06:35 GMT+02:00 > > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Betreff: E-bow question > > > > > > > > > I just got an E-Bow after lusting after one for > a few decades.  I > > > tried using it with my Brian Moore iGuitar > through a Roland GR50 and > > > it’s not doing quite what I expect.  It’ll > sustain forever, but if I > > > just slide down to another note, the GR doesn’t > seem to pick up the > > > change and the synth keeps playing the same > note.  If I pick behind > > > the E-Bow, or hammer on really hard, then I get > the new note.  Does > > > anybody have any wisdom to impart?  Do I need to > set the sensitivity > > > on the GR lower?  Do I just have to learn to > pick behind the E-Bow > > > with my right hand? > > >   > > > I played with the E-Bow and my DL4 and DD20 and > boy does that make > > > some cool noise!  Drone-y loops and great > sustain.  Nice. > > >   > > > Thanks, > > > Tony > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 15:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81EF73BEFF; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:01:24 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060508150129.B386735CE8E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:01:43 +0000 (UTC) When I finaly get around to buying a bass, I am determioned to get a four-string, but have it strung and tuned to the bottom four of a regular five-string. I have no need of the higher notes, but would like to get the depth without it getting to complicated. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: 08/05/06 13:23 I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording purposes (and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add bass to my compositions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should purchase a 5 string just to try out. Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string? THX! -- Paul Richards ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 15:57:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3F73BEE7; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3DVgZ+Qb7HWYWsvxnNt6dV/YnfxBX+Ei/P5Hf/WXuAqtPJ3PCsmuZd0ulQCLvWQUJjhrQDKQKO45+EzacY1opLMgys3vPxPWXdKNQhHvA0gec5vtZ9V1NWKo9bOh5e4xHqhVTJro6PN1iGLGFk8+RKTVC2+CgyhgOXo4qQpkPgw= ; Message-ID: <20060508155736.47637.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060508150129.B386735CE8E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-794102294-1147103856=:47124" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:57:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-794102294-1147103856=:47124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tony Levin (King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, solo) had a custom-made 3-string MusicMan: it just had the low three - E, A, and D. It went up in flames when Tony's studio barn burned down. Then you've got Steve Swallow whose five string is E, A, D, G, and B and he plays with a pick. There's no easy/clear/simple answer to the 4 vs. 5 (or 6) string dilemma - lots of factors like string spacing, cost etc. are all factors that should be considered in terms of overall tone and comfort level. Try a bunch in your LMS and see which one works for you. If you want to pole a group of bassists, check out The Bottom Line list-serv or search the archives - http://www.bass-list.com/ Ted Harms. --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: 08/05/06 13:23 I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording purposes (and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add bass to my compositions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should purchase a 5 string just to try out. Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string? THX! -- Paul Richards ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-794102294-1147103856=:47124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Tony Levin (King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, solo) had a custom-made 3-string MusicMan: it just had the low three - E, A, and D.  It went up in flames when Tony's studio barn burned down.
 
Then you've got Steve Swallow whose five string is E, A, D, G, and B and he plays with a pick.
 
There's no easy/clear/simple answer to the 4 vs. 5 (or 6) string dilemma - lots of factors like string spacing, cost etc. are all factors that should be considered in terms of overall tone and comfort level.  Try a bunch in your LMS and see which one works for you.  If you want to pole a group of bassists, check out The Bottom Line list-serv or search the archives - http://www.bass-list.com/
 
 
Ted Harms. 

--------- Original Message --------
From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"

Subject: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass
Date: 08/05/06 13:23


I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording purposes
(and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add bass to my
compositions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should purchase a 5 string
just to try out. Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string? THX!

--
Paul Richards

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Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-794102294-1147103856=:47124-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 16:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98DB23BEE1; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C672BC.033C2050" Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:25:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071461@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Thread-Index: AcZyuCJHYkDvIgcKQuiQgPc+XY7OJwAA0CDQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:25:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C672BC.033C2050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com]=20 > > If you want to pole a group of bassists > =20 The images this conjures up are going to distract me all morning... =20 Jeff =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C672BC.033C2050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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> If you want to pole a = group of=20 bassists
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The images this = conjures up are going=20 to distract me all morning...
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C672BC.033C2050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 16:42:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2873BECC; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [151.198.85.20] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605080720ycc2e593n22fb208c4a45ad1e@mail.gmail.com> From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:42:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2006 16:42:55.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[74E168C0:01C672BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Right on Charlie!! Me too!! David Grego The Tuba Electric ============================= along with the lower notes, one thing that a lot of people seem to consider is that with a 5 string bass you've got more range in one position...i don't know what kind of bass playing you do, but I know for me I personally like 6 string basses because I have a whole lotta notes and i don't have to move around so much on the fretboard...very much worth it. Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 16:53:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF86C3BEB6; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:53:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7dqru.A.G2E.ge3XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:53:52 +0000 (UTC) >>Then you've got Steve Swallow whose five string is E, A, D, G, and B and he plays with a pick.<< I'm pretty certain it's a high C on Steve's bass - still tuned in fourths. Of course, you could always get a 6 string bass - then you get the Low B and the High C, and have a great range for looping... Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 16:56:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3FBF3BEDF; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CqwBpB/QzEhrKLEv+NfImHLrc2MC9ytJ4llTzujtdnpPKlmeAiry8U36ECceDcMNjnkt4x9OXLyLer8kGZI3Pp0lfl9Y5AjlO5bqcizcFWYrcPs7OYEul4cXYCtfOdX2ilkpPHsY6gHfgPaypJ77f5i5V9or9tFpRwWAa0Svl+c= ; Message-ID: <20060508165258.48056.qmail@web33814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: RE: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071461@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1903238541-1147107178=:46901" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:56:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1903238541-1147107178=:46901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Slight embarassment on that one - but didn't that really happen during the Spanish Inquisition? ;-) Ted Harms. jeff larson wrote: From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] > > If you want to pole a group of bassists > The images this conjures up are going to distract me all morning... 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Slight embarassment on that one - but didn't that really happen during the Spanish Inquisition? ;-)
 
 
Ted Harms.


jeff larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com]
>
> If you want to pole a group of bassists
>
 
The images this conjures up are going to distract me all morning...
 
Jeff
 
 

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Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1903238541-1147107178=:46901-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 17:09:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433B63BEAB; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11559ab853a1b9aec01a.20060508100949.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> In-Reply-To: <20060508131913.14978.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060508131913.14978.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re:Re Ebow question From: "Daren Burns" To: "ditch wrestler" Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: daren@darenburns.com User-Agent: DSL Extreme Webmail (www.dslextreme.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ditch, I've used one with an old Kay upright bass, not extensively, just experimentally. I was surprised to find that it worked. -- Daren Burns bassist/composer/teacher/good guy http://www.darenburns.com http://www.darknumbers.com "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." - John Cage ditch wrestler > --0-1201204055-1147094353=:14294 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > a k butler wrote: > With an acoustic instrument, or one with piezo pickups, you just get > the string sound. > Has anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you know, > the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)? > > > ted harms > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 17:46:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8941A3BECC; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dTDuaGj/0CZ2cunrMhGD3T6f56JytKm7Gp+xVItnGbLEYNmFFkjtwYXztnGW8ZislwVgRMIlLZy06gryiejlV5LOMKuhFdI+BXb/laH1qi262swhKAVeNjs0VzWqG9aUyWcCAq+bng6cUPcRt352UaKDk+U4ISdo9RSIELsl6hY= ; Message-ID: <20060508174438.87846.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and ditching the Looperlative. Bob's offered to take it back but I imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price. I'm not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to retreive my full purchase amount. $1320 gets it shipped to your door if you're in the USA. M --- mark t wrote: > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! > > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a > > > little bothered with the > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > > > software. > > > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a > great > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. > > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self > absorbed > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by > this > > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the > logo > > thread!" ;) > > > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due > to > > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta > > product. The manual is poor (many features are > barely > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for > Steve > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned > the > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in > any > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of > my > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels > as > > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi > > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another > gone > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the > > clock... > > > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished > form > > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak > away > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no > way > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when > synced > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP > or > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging > from > > what I read on the forum you could operate it that > > way. > > > > If this was a product from a company like Roland > or > > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly > when > > those companies release a product it is what it > is. > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate > like I > > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product > that > > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of > odd, > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a > very > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think > of > > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! > > > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in > > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated > in > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at > this > > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to > multiple > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, > we > > will need to spend more time defining how you want > the > > software to work. The software is still young and > I'd > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a > useable > > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I > don't > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no > idea > > what it takes in terms of time to implement > features. > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one > of > > few that even care about this. > > > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I > > couldn't know that based on prerelease > information* > > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm > ranting > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank > acount > > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I > wait? > > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but > part > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in > initial > > conception before it was released. If I knew that > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a > long > > time, I would have passed. > > > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a > great > > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're > not a > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. > If > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start > > recording at the end of the current loop AND then > > going back and finding the first loop still > perfectly > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your > looper. > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or > not) > > loops that don't all have to be the same length, > this > > may be your looper. > > > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably > going > > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like > the > > Looperlative. I could not have done anything like > > this at all. I have much respect for your hard > work > > and effort. Your ability to implement all our > crazy > > feature requests in a short time has been amazing. > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In > a > > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be > done > > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that > I > > just can't scratch. > > > > Mark > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 18:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 257353BEC1; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qxJvvfPyZcVIzuqd4PVfZf2vwGBofUqUCSX+Ps2lppo79MRUrq50kOER00b1j2/gDd50SkiujcM5eISOaS6MoGO85bmNrb1IXuBjCX7gRle44dDevoOP8DCw0p6wd2SrfqOJmi09QJMN8oRdnE2asTQ8Tcy7eZpnwT6H/CGVWlw= Message-ID: <913728d60605081122l40aafa19r9d1fe132f3cc3a2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:22:57 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) I tune my 6 string bass EADGCF...now that is a range...throw on an octaver effect pedal, and you've got an incredible range! :) Charlie On 5/8/06, Steve Lawson wrote: > >>Then you've got Steve Swallow whose five string is E, A, D, G, and > B and he plays with a pick.<< > > I'm pretty certain it's a high C on Steve's bass - still tuned in > fourths. > > Of course, you could always get a 6 string bass - then you get the > Low B and the High C, and have a great range for looping... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 18:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1573BED8; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445F8DAA.2070102@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:27:54 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass References: <913728d60605081122l40aafa19r9d1fe132f3cc3a2b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <913728d60605081122l40aafa19r9d1fe132f3cc3a2b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Charlie, I currently use my regularly tuned 6-string, and I'm quite clueless to these weird tunings- are the F strings readily available? hell, is it just a guitar-string? ;) Also, I'd need to have alterations made in a shop, right? Andreas Charlie Milkey wrote: > I tune my 6 string bass EADGCF...now that is a range...throw on an > octaver effect pedal, and you've got an incredible range! :) > > Charlie > > > On 5/8/06, Steve Lawson wrote: >> >>Then you've got Steve Swallow whose five string is E, A, D, G, and >> B and he plays with a pick.<< >> >> I'm pretty certain it's a high C on Steve's bass - still tuned in >> fourths. >> >> Of course, you could always get a 6 string bass - then you get the >> Low B and the High C, and have a great range for looping... >> >> Steve >> www.stevelawson.net - site >> www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop >> http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog >> www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson >> >> >> >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 18:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 063BF3BEC2; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=stjiGF7eqPi8/w68SE1MAVYF+A4tzHDAQo8gzYwymss2tJ4W3DPnpsU3sjcpvXiRA9ssPXTkduQC64D4BFfuUQUe1EGG7xumMVIfDX5YVZuVWDkxmWxBeE8cQnnqB9rPEFLPU/C4Ad0Z6dA9+yOrdujXOCOA/JDHFubDHDYepGk= Message-ID: <913728d60605081147u6a54b2c7o3d342f77aa76de7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:47:09 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass In-Reply-To: <445F8DAA.2070102@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60605081122l40aafa19r9d1fe132f3cc3a2b@mail.gmail.com> <445F8DAA.2070102@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: <_sXPxC.A.qz.uI5XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:47:10 +0000 (UTC) at this point you no longer look for an "F" strings, as much as you just start asking the guitar store emplyee for a .017 guage string...TI Strings makes single strings up to around there, and i used to get mine at juststrings.com, but i don't believe i can find them there any more...what you probably can do though is maybe drop a line to juststrings or TI themselves and see if they can scare up a .017 gauge string (btw, it is a bass string)...i believe conklin makes his own strings, and he might be able to help too :) alterations? i didn't have to change up my brice 6'er, and brice is a cheaper 6 string bass, so i doubt any alterations are in order... Good Luck Charlie On 5/8/06, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Charlie, I currently use my regularly tuned 6-string, and I'm quite > clueless to these weird tunings- are the F strings readily available? > hell, is it just a guitar-string? ;) Also, I'd need to have alterations > made in a shop, right? > > Andreas > > > > Charlie Milkey wrote: > > I tune my 6 string bass EADGCF...now that is a range...throw on an > > octaver effect pedal, and you've got an incredible range! :) > > > > Charlie > > > > > > On 5/8/06, Steve Lawson wrote: > >> >>Then you've got Steve Swallow whose five string is E, A, D, G, and > >> B and he plays with a pick.<< > >> > >> I'm pretty certain it's a high C on Steve's bass - still tuned in > >> fourths. > >> > >> Of course, you could always get a 6 string bass - then you get the > >> Low B and the High C, and have a great range for looping... > >> > >> Steve > >> www.stevelawson.net - site > >> www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > >> http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > >> www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > . > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 18:48:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D42A3BED2; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:53:38 +0200 Subject: SPAM REPORT: Job Title: Shipping-receiving position From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1Fd9N8-0005VU-5U@adsl-220-173-223.mob.bellsouth.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229966418_339545" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-uEzEB.A.z6.mJ5XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:48:06 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. 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...... (and so on... jrp) --B_3229966418_339545-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 18:51:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF5A3BEE4; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lJiz+MnUjcCjAbD0qrY4LPBAfg+2mrtyV1iSgEXNV8E76W05risdyGzSTMHGkrK5FeROWz9Zo/7rl9Vt81nW7G1dMFQ5GmxDFQU6m/EjVe+EhmqUszXzqAPd6a+0pmvjIavxxj71qfOrkWQc79f8nM91rtN7lM97MUNVZ406viM= ; Message-ID: <20060508183533.13301.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060508174438.87846.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Oops, disregard. It was meant to go to Mark T... --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and > ditching > the Looperlative. Bob's offered to take it back but > I > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price. I'm > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to > retreive my full purchase amount. $1320 gets it > shipped to your door if you're in the USA. > > M > > --- mark t wrote: > > > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! > > > > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro > > wrote: > > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > > > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm > a > > > > little bothered with the > > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping > a > > > > software. > > > > > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a > > great > > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set > in. > > > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self > > absorbed > > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by > > this > > > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the > > logo > > > thread!" ;) > > > > > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe > due > > to > > > his design by customer input, that I bought a > beta > > > product. The manual is poor (many features are > > barely > > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for > > Steve > > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have > returned > > the > > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented > in > > any > > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. > (many > > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night > of > > my > > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi > channels > > as > > > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the > midi > > > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. > Another > > gone > > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to > the > > > clock... > > > > > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished > > form > > > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a > tweak > > away > > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no > > way > > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when > > synced > > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the > EDP > > or > > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging > > from > > > what I read on the forum you could operate it > that > > > way. > > > > > > If this was a product from a company like Roland > > or > > > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly > > when > > > those companies release a product it is what it > > is. > > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate > > like I > > > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product > > that > > > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of > > odd, > > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a > > very > > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think > > of > > > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! > > > > > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in > > > several requests but never got a "oh that's > slated > > in > > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at > > this > > > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to > > multiple > > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, > > we > > > will need to spend more time defining how you > want > > the > > > software to work. The software is still young > and > > I'd > > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a > > useable > > > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I > > don't > > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no > > idea > > > what it takes in terms of time to implement > > features. > > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm > one > > of > > > few that even care about this. > > > > > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but > I > > > couldn't know that based on prerelease > > information* > > > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm > > ranting > > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank > > acount > > > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I > > wait? > > > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but > > part > > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in > > initial > > > conception before it was released. If I knew > that > > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a > > long > > > time, I would have passed. > > > > > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a > > great > > > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're > > not a > > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. > > If > > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start > > > recording at the end of the current loop AND > then > > > going back and finding the first loop still > > perfectly > > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your > > looper. > > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or > > not) > > > loops that don't all have to be the same length, > > this > > > may be your looper. > > > > > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably > > going > > > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like > > the > > > Looperlative. I could not have done anything > like > > > this at all. I have much respect for your hard > > work > > > and effort. Your ability to implement all our > > crazy > > > feature requests in a short time has been > amazing. > > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. > In > > a > > > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is > the > > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be > > done > > > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain > that > > I > > > just can't scratch. > > > > > > Mark > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 19:25:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 848EC3BEC1; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rT527hypaD3CyGOfPzySKkpER4xPZktT8+ylZQGF/IU1VabFBoG75UQQf62jcEemmfQjmmnAGQphPmCe8QUIDlzaUDnO2Js+NujrRm7L4zZzIZNdMFj/mj2urJlR9Ftgoc0VJYpYiN96OCgeaKVvKVHBCLmQtiIkticzcLye430= ; Message-ID: <20060508192423.11899.qmail@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <445F8DAA.2070102@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1028889106-1147116262=:11469" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:25:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1028889106-1147116262=:11469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There might be several things that would need to be adjusted when going for string tuning or guages that the bass wasn't set-up for. The main two are - truss rod as different tunings will put the neck under different tension - the slots in the nut may need to be widened or narrowed depending on the diameter of the strings ted harms. Andreas Wetterberg wrote: Charlie, I currently use my regularly tuned 6-string, and I'm quite clueless to these weird tunings- are the F strings readily available? hell, is it just a guitar-string? ;) Also, I'd need to have alterations made in a shop, right? Andreas --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1028889106-1147116262=:11469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
There might be several things that would need to be adjusted when going for string tuning or guages that the bass wasn't set-up for.  The main two are
 
- truss rod as different tunings will put the neck under different tension
- the slots in the nut may need to be widened or narrowed depending on the diameter of the strings
 
 
ted harms.


Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> wrote:
Charlie, I currently use my regularly tuned 6-string, and I'm quite
clueless to these weird tunings- are the F strings readily available?
hell, is it just a guitar-string? ;) Also, I'd need to have alterations
made in a shop, right?

Andreas


Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1028889106-1147116262=:11469-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 19:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 244E03BEDD; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Re Ebow question Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060508125322.01afb170@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:28:53 +0000 (UTC) "another way to a more mellow tone is to gently touch the palm of the hand on the bridge, slightly dampening the strings. this also allows you to get low notes on the bass strings, where usually you get harmonics. ( bassoon) Cool Tip, and something I've never tried as long as I've had an ebow, and of course a compressor would allow you to tame a bit of the volume surge when bringing the bow nearer to the pickups.. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 19:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB7E83BEE9; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: bass tunings Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:28:48 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c672d5$a1a47cf0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <445F8DAA.2070102@post.cybercity.dk> Thread-Index: AcZyzSFZkQSpvLYvSDOugvSVJBw1wAAB7CNg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:28:54 +0000 (UTC) [Discussion by Charlie and Andreas about weird tunings] Ok, now here's for another weird tuning. I call mine "inverted lute tuning", and it's similair to a guitar tuning, only from top to bottom. In other words: I start at 'A (the one below a 5-string B) and it goes 'A E B f# d' a' (the a' being the one below a guitar B). The tonal range? Five octaves. But yeah, sometimes I even use an octaver (up, mind you). As for getting the strings: As Charlie mentioned, there are some speciality companies who sell these specific string sizes. When I had decided I wanted this tuning, I didn't want to search for strings, I wanted it now, so I went to a shop and got a) a set of medium heavy six-string strings, b) a set of baritone guitar strings. Now the ball ends of those would slip through the bridge of my (non-alterated) bass, so I used some aluminium washers. Apart from that, no changes to the bass (apart from setting it up differently). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 19:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B7753BEDC; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:44:10 +0200 Subject: Ouch: Ditching lp1 was re: LP1 Rant warning! From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060508192855.172993BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229969450_521913" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229969450_521913 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > mark. >=20 > I personall ycan=B9t afford an lp1, but if I had the money I would certainl= y > trust the offers of a one man company-developper such as bob/looperlative= . >=20 > it shows, really, when you fail to send such a messagr to the loopers lis= t. > basically it says, that you should you shouldn=B9t buy off visionary develo= pers > next time really. >=20 > I am =AD really disappointed of such an attitude. > and I personally support a developper such as bob, even if I can=B9t afford= such > a machine myself. >=20 > think about it. >=20 > j >=20 > From: mark sottilaro > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) >=20 > Oops, disregard. It was meant to go to Mark T... >=20 > --- mark sottilaro wrote: >=20 >> > Hey, >> >=20 >> > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and >> > ditching >> > the Looperlative. Bob's offered to take it back but >> > I >> > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price. I'm >> > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to >> > retreive my full purchase amount. $1320 gets it >> > shipped to your door if you're in the USA. >> >=20 >> > M >> >=20 >> > --- mark t wrote: >> >=20 >>> > > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! >>> > >=20 >>> > > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro >>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > --- Claude Voit wrote: >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm >> > a >>>>> > > > > little bothered with the >>>>> > > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping >> > a >>>>> > > > > software. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a >>> > > great >>>> > > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set >> > in. >>>> > > > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self >>> > > absorbed >>>> > > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by >>> > > this >>>> > > > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the >>> > > logo >>>> > > > thread!" ;) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe >> > due >>> > > to >>>> > > > his design by customer input, that I bought a >> > beta >>>> > > > product. The manual is poor (many features are >>> > > barely >>>> > > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for >>> > > Steve >>>> > > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have >> > returned >>> > > the >>>> > > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented >> > in >>> > > any >>>> > > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. >> > (many >>>> > > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night >> > of >>> > > my >>>> > > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi >> > channels >>> > > as >>>> > > > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the >> > midi >>>> > > > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. >> > Another >>> > > gone >>>> > > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to >> > the >>>> > > > clock... >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished >>> > > form >>>> > > > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a >> > tweak >>> > > away >>>> > > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no >>> > > way >>>> > > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when >>> > > synced >>>> > > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the >> > EDP >>> > > or >>>> > > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging >>> > > from >>>> > > > what I read on the forum you could operate it >> > that >>>> > > > way. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > If this was a product from a company like Roland >>> > > or >>>> > > > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly >>> > > when >>>> > > > those companies release a product it is what it >>> > > is. >>>> > > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate >>> > > like I >>>> > > > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product >>> > > that >>>> > > > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of >>> > > odd, >>>> > > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a >>> > > very >>>> > > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think >>> > > of >>>> > > > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in >>>> > > > several requests but never got a "oh that's >> > slated >>> > > in >>>> > > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at >>> > > this >>>> > > > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to >>> > > multiple >>>> > > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, >>> > > we >>>> > > > will need to spend more time defining how you >> > want >>> > > the >>>> > > > software to work. The software is still young >> > and >>> > > I'd >>>> > > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a >>> > > useable >>>> > > > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I >>> > > don't >>>> > > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no >>> > > idea >>>> > > > what it takes in terms of time to implement >>> > > features. >>>> > > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm >> > one >>> > > of >>>> > > > few that even care about this. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but >> > I >>>> > > > couldn't know that based on prerelease >>> > > information* >>>> > > > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm >>> > > ranting >>>> > > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank >>> > > acount >>>> > > > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I >>> > > wait? >>>> > > > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but >>> > > part >>>> > > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in >>> > > initial >>>> > > > conception before it was released. If I knew >> > that >>>> > > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a >>> > > long >>>> > > > time, I would have passed. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a >>> > > great >>>> > > > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're >>> > > not a >>>> > > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. >>> > > If >>>> > > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start >>>> > > > recording at the end of the current loop AND >> > then >>>> > > > going back and finding the first loop still >>> > > perfectly >>>> > > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your >>> > > looper. >>>> > > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or >>> > > not) >>>> > > > loops that don't all have to be the same length, >>> > > this >>>> > > > may be your looper. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably >>> > > going >>>> > > > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like >>> > > the >>>> > > > Looperlative. I could not have done anything >> > like >>>> > > > this at all. I have much respect for your hard >>> > > work >>>> > > > and effort. Your ability to implement all our >>> > > crazy >>>> > > > feature requests in a short time has been >> > amazing. >>>> > > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. >> > In >>> > > a >>>> > > > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is >> > the >>>> > > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be >>> > > done >>>> > > > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain >> > that >>> > > I >>>> > > > just can't scratch. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Mark >> >=20 > =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D >=20 --B_3229969450_521913 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ouch: Ditching lp1  was re: LP1 Rant warning!
mark.

I personall ycan’t afford an lp1, but if I had the money I would cert= ainly trust the offers of a one man company-developper such as bob/looperlat= ive.

it shows, really, when you fail to send such a messagr to the loopers list.=
basically it says, that you should you shouldn’t buy off visionary de= velopers next time really.

I am – really disappointed of such an attitude.
and I personally support a developper such as bob, even if I can’t af= ford such a machine myself.

think about it.

j

From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yaho= o.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 = testers)

Oops, disregard. It was meant to go to Mark = T...

--- mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com<= /U>> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and
> ditching
> the Looperlative.  Bob's offered to take it back but
> I
> imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price.  I'm
> not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to
> retreive my full purchase amount.  $1320 gets it
> shipped to your door if you're in the USA.
>
> M
>
> --- mark t <aleatoric12@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it!
> >
> > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro
> > <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > --- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
> > >
> > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm
> a
> > > > little bothered with the
> > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of devellopin= g
> a
> > > > software.
> > >
> > > Boy howdy, Claude!!  At first I thought, "what a > > great
> > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set
> in.
> > > People are self absorbed jerks!  I'm a self
> > absorbed
> > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by
> > this
> > > point.  I can't wait for the "let's change the
> > logo
> > > thread!" ;)
> > >
> > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe
> due
> > to
> > > his design by customer input, that I bought a
> beta
> > > product.  The manual is poor (many features are
> > barely
> > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for
> > Steve
> > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have
> returned
> > the
> > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented
> in
> > any
> > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs.
> (many
> > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night
> of
> > my
> > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi
> channels
> > as
> > > 0-15?  Yes it was.  Another gone because the
> midi
> > > clock sync didn't work?  Yeah, that too.
> Another
> > gone
> > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to
> the
> > > clock...
> > >
> > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished
> > form
> > > I'm one of those frustrated owners.  It's a
> tweak
> > away
> > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no
> > way
> > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when
> > synced
> > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the
> EDP
> > or
> > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging
> > from
> > > what I read on the forum you could operate it
> that
> > > way.
> > >
> > > If this was a product from a company like Roland
> > or
> > > Digitech, it would have been returned.  Mostly
> > when
> > > those companies release a product it is what it
> > is.
> > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate
> > like I
> > > want it to.  Bye bye."  But now I have a prod= uct
> > that
> > > *may* change into what I want.  This is kind of
> > odd,
> > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a
> > very
> > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think
> > of
> > > what it isn't and might be.  LOOP TEASE!
> > >
> > > Will my tweak come?  I don't know.  I've put in > > > several requests but never got a "oh that's
> slated
> > in
> > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at
> > this
> > > time" reply.  The reply was "When it comes to=
> > multiple
> > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync,
> > we
> > > will need to spend more time defining how you
> want
> > the
> > > software to work. The software is still young
> and
> > I'd
> > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a
> > useable
> > > fashion."  How much time?  Do I be patient? &= nbsp;I
> > don't
> > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no
> > idea
> > > what it takes in terms of time to implement
> > features.
> > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm
> one
> > of
> > > few that even care about this.
> > >
> > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but
> I
> > > couldn't know that based on prerelease
> > information*
> > > It's not even in my signal chain.  I know I'm
> > ranting
> > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank
> > acount
> > > on something that's sitting on a shelf.  Do I
> > wait?
> > > How long?  Bob has been amazing and patient, but
> > part
> > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in
> > initial
> > > conception before it was released.  If I knew
> that
> > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a
> > long
> > > time, I would have passed.
> > >
> > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT.  It is a
> > great
> > > looper.  In some ways it's the best.  If you're > > not a
> > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box.
> > If
> > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start
> > > recording at the end of the current loop AND
> then
> > > going back and finding the first loop still
> > perfectly
> > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your
> > looper.
> > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or
> > not)
> > > loops that don't all have to be the same length,
> > this
> > > may be your looper.
> > >
> > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably
> > going
> > > to read this.  Hi Bob!  Bob, I like you.  I l= ike
> > the
> > > Looperlative.  I could not have done anything
> like
> > > this at all.  I have much respect for your hard
> > work
> > > and effort.  Your ability to implement all our
> > crazy
> > > feature requests in a short time has been
> amazing.
> > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago.
> In
> > a
> > > sense I wish you would.  Then I could say, "is
> the
> > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be
> > done
> > > with it.  Like it is it's an itch in my brain
> that
> > I
> > > just can't scratch.
> > >
> > > Mark
>
=3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D

 --B_3229969450_521913-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 19:46:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760423BEF0; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:51:44 +0200 Subject: Ditching lopperlative version 2 From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060508192855.172993BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229969904_549202" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:46:10 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229969904_549202 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > I am afraid I didn=B9t read further before, sorry for dissing you here mar= k. >=20 > I do undertand your reasons now. >=20 > still I believe, that the looperlative will be a very cool machine =AD in t= he > end =AD and the more imprtant questions is, if there=B9s any way of finding b= ob > co-developpers to help him and expand the idea of this great thing >=20 > so > jayrope - berlin >=20 > From: mark sottilaro > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) >=20 > Hey, >=20 > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and ditching > the Looperlative. Bob's offered to take it back but I > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price. I'm > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to > retreive my full purchase amount. $1320 gets it > shipped to your door if you're in the USA. >=20 > M >=20 > --- mark t wrote: >=20 >> > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! >> >=20 >> > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro >> > wrote: >>> > > --- Claude Voit wrote: >>> > > >>>> > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a >>>> > > > little bothered with the >>>> > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a >>>> > > > software. >>> > > >>> > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a >> > great >>> > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. >>> > > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self >> > absorbed >>> > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by >> > this >>> > > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the >> > logo >>> > > thread!" ;) >>> > > >>> > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due >> > to >>> > > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta >>> > > product. The manual is poor (many features are >> > barely >>> > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for >> > Steve >>> > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned >> > the >>> > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in >> > any >>> > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many >>> > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of >> > my >>> > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels >> > as >>> > > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi >>> > > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another >> > gone >>> > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the >>> > > clock... >>> > > >>> > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished >> > form >>> > > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak >> > away >>> > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no >> > way >>> > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when >> > synced >>> > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP >> > or >>> > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging >> > from >>> > > what I read on the forum you could operate it that >>> > > way. >>> > > >>> > > If this was a product from a company like Roland >> > or >>> > > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly >> > when >>> > > those companies release a product it is what it >> > is. >>> > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate >> > like I >>> > > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product >> > that >>> > > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of >> > odd, >>> > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a >> > very >>> > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think >> > of >>> > > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! >>> > > >>> > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in >>> > > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated >> > in >>> > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at >> > this >>> > > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to >> > multiple >>> > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, >> > we >>> > > will need to spend more time defining how you want >> > the >>> > > software to work. The software is still young and >> > I'd >>> > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a >> > useable >>> > > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I >> > don't >>> > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no >> > idea >>> > > what it takes in terms of time to implement >> > features. >>> > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one >> > of >>> > > few that even care about this. >>> > > >>> > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I >>> > > couldn't know that based on prerelease >> > information* >>> > > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm >> > ranting >>> > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank >> > acount >>> > > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I >> > wait? >>> > > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but >> > part >>> > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in >> > initial >>> > > conception before it was released. If I knew that >>> > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a >> > long >>> > > time, I would have passed. >>> > > >>> > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a >> > great >>> > > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're >> > not a >>> > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. >> > If >>> > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start >>> > > recording at the end of the current loop AND then >>> > > going back and finding the first loop still >> > perfectly >>> > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your >> > looper. >>> > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or >> > not) >>> > > loops that don't all have to be the same length, >> > this >>> > > may be your looper. >>> > > >>> > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably >> > going >>> > > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like >> > the >>> > > Looperlative. I could not have done anything like >>> > > this at all. I have much respect for your hard >> > work >>> > > and effort. Your ability to implement all our >> > crazy >>> > > feature requests in a short time has been amazing. >>> > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In >> > a >>> > > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the >>> > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be >> > done >>> > > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that >> > I >>> > > just can't scratch. >>> > > >>> > > Mark >=20 --B_3229969904_549202 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ditching lopperlative version 2
I am afraid I didn’t read furthe= r before, sorry for dissing you here mark.

I do undertand your reasons now.

still I believe, that the looperlative will be a very cool machine – = in the end – and the more imprtant questions is, if there’s any = way of finding bob co-developpers to help him and expand the idea of this gr= eat thing

so
jayrope -  berlin

From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yaho= o.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 = testers)

Hey,

I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and ditching
the Looperlative.  Bob's offered to take it back but I
imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price.  I'm
not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to
retreive my full purchase amount.  $1320 gets it
shipped to your door if you're in the USA.

M

--- mark t <aleatoric12@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

> If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it!
>
> On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro
> <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>= wrote:
> > --- Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a
> > > little bothered with the
> > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > > > software.
> >
> > Boy howdy, Claude!!  At first I thought, "what a
> great
> > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in.
> > People are self absorbed jerks!  I'm a self
> absorbed
> > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by
> this
> > point.  I can't wait for the "let's change the
> logo
> > thread!" ;)
> >
> > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due
> to
> > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta
> > product.  The manual is poor (many features are
> barely
> > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for
> Steve
> > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned
> the
> > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in
> any
> > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many
> > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of
> my
> > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels
> as
> > 0-15?  Yes it was.  Another gone because the midi
> > clock sync didn't work?  Yeah, that too.  Another
> gone
> > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the
> > clock...
> >
> > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished
> form
> > I'm one of those frustrated owners.  It's a tweak
> away
> > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no
> way
> > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when
> synced
> > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP
> or
> > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging
> from
> > what I read on the forum you could operate it that
> > way.
> >
> > If this was a product from a company like Roland
> or
> > Digitech, it would have been returned.  Mostly
> when
> > those companies release a product it is what it
> is.
> > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate
> like I
> > want it to.  Bye bye."  But now I have a product > that
> > *may* change into what I want.  This is kind of
> odd,
> > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a
> very
> > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think
> of
> > what it isn't and might be.  LOOP TEASE!
> >
> > Will my tweak come?  I don't know.  I've put in
> > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated
> in
> > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at
> this
> > time" reply.  The reply was "When it comes to
> multiple
> > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync,
> we
> > will need to spend more time defining how you want
> the
> > software to work. The software is still young and
> I'd
> > be happy to make changes to make operate in a
> useable
> > fashion."  How much time?  Do I be patient?  = I
> don't
> > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no
> idea
> > what it takes in terms of time to implement
> features.
> > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one
> of
> > few that even care about this.
> >
> > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I
> > couldn't know that based on prerelease
> information*
> > It's not even in my signal chain.  I know I'm
> ranting
> > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank
> acount
> > on something that's sitting on a shelf.  Do I
> wait?
> > How long?  Bob has been amazing and patient, but
> part
> > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in
> initial
> > conception before it was released.  If I knew that
> > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a
> long
> > time, I would have passed.
> >
> > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT.  It is a
> great
> > looper.  In some ways it's the best.  If you're
> not a
> > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box.
> If
> > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start
> > recording at the end of the current loop AND then
> > going back and finding the first loop still
> perfectly
> > synced to your drum machine, this may be your
> looper.
> > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or
> not)
> > loops that don't all have to be the same length,
> this
> > may be your looper.
> >
> > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably
> going
> > to read this.  Hi Bob!  Bob, I like you.  I like > the
> > Looperlative.  I could not have done anything like
> > this at all.  I have much respect for your hard
> work
> > and effort.  Your ability to implement all our
> crazy
> > feature requests in a short time has been amazing.
> > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago.  In
> a
> > sense I wish you would.  Then I could say, "is the
> > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be
> done
> > with it.  Like it is it's an itch in my brain that
> I
> > just can't scratch.
> >
> > Mark

 --B_3229969904_549202-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 19:57:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9C2D3BEE8; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28310009.1147118223128.JavaMail.root@web29> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:57:03 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 Cc: jayrope MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:57:04 +0000 (UTC) I just have one question? When's the price of the Looperlative going to dro= p to, say, $599.99?=20 Hopefuly, after the folks with deep pockets buy them. -- Paul Richards ---- jayrope wrote:=20 > > I am afraid I didn=C2=B9t read further before, sorry for dissing you h= ere mark. > >=20 > > I do undertand your reasons now. > >=20 > > still I believe, that the looperlative will be a very cool machine =C2= =AD in the > > end =C2=AD and the more imprtant questions is, if there=C2=B9s any way = of finding bob > > co-developpers to help him and expand the idea of this great thing > >=20 > > so > > jayrope - berlin > >=20 > > From: mark sottilaro > > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) > >=20 > > Hey, > >=20 > > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and ditching > > the Looperlative. Bob's offered to take it back but I > > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price. I'm > > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to > > retreive my full purchase amount. $1320 gets it > > shipped to your door if you're in the USA. > >=20 > > M > >=20 > > --- mark t wrote: > >=20 > >> > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! > >> >=20 > >> > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro > >> > wrote: > >>> > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > >>> > > > >>>> > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a > >>>> > > > little bothered with the > >>>> > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > >>>> > > > software. > >>> > > > >>> > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a > >> > great > >>> > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. > >>> > > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self > >> > absorbed > >>> > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by > >> > this > >>> > > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the > >> > logo > >>> > > thread!" ;) > >>> > > > >>> > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due > >> > to > >>> > > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta > >>> > > product. The manual is poor (many features are > >> > barely > >>> > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for > >> > Steve > >>> > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned > >> > the > >>> > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in > >> > any > >>> > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many > >>> > > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of > >> > my > >>> > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels > >> > as > >>> > > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi > >>> > > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another > >> > gone > >>> > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the > >>> > > clock... > >>> > > > >>> > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished > >> > form > >>> > > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak > >> > away > >>> > > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no > >> > way > >>> > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when > >> > synced > >>> > > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP > >> > or > >>> > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging > >> > from > >>> > > what I read on the forum you could operate it that > >>> > > way. > >>> > > > >>> > > If this was a product from a company like Roland > >> > or > >>> > > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly > >> > when > >>> > > those companies release a product it is what it > >> > is. > >>> > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate > >> > like I > >>> > > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product > >> > that > >>> > > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of > >> > odd, > >>> > > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a > >> > very > >>> > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think > >> > of > >>> > > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! > >>> > > > >>> > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in > >>> > > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated > >> > in > >>> > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at > >> > this > >>> > > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to > >> > multiple > >>> > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, > >> > we > >>> > > will need to spend more time defining how you want > >> > the > >>> > > software to work. The software is still young and > >> > I'd > >>> > > be happy to make changes to make operate in a > >> > useable > >>> > > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I > >> > don't > >>> > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no > >> > idea > >>> > > what it takes in terms of time to implement > >> > features. > >>> > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one > >> > of > >>> > > few that even care about this. > >>> > > > >>> > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I > >>> > > couldn't know that based on prerelease > >> > information* > >>> > > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm > >> > ranting > >>> > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank > >> > acount > >>> > > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I > >> > wait? > >>> > > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but > >> > part > >>> > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in > >> > initial > >>> > > conception before it was released. If I knew that > >>> > > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a > >> > long > >>> > > time, I would have passed. > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a > >> > great > >>> > > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're > >> > not a > >>> > > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. > >> > If > >>> > > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start > >>> > > recording at the end of the current loop AND then > >>> > > going back and finding the first loop still > >> > perfectly > >>> > > synced to your drum machine, this may be your > >> > looper. > >>> > > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or > >> > not) > >>> > > loops that don't all have to be the same length, > >> > this > >>> > > may be your looper. > >>> > > > >>> > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably > >> > going > >>> > > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like > >> > the > >>> > > Looperlative. I could not have done anything like > >>> > > this at all. I have much respect for your hard > >> > work > >>> > > and effort. Your ability to implement all our > >> > crazy > >>> > > feature requests in a short time has been amazing. > >>> > > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In > >> > a > >>> > > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the > >>> > > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be > >> > done > >>> > > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that > >> > I > >>> > > just can't scratch. > >>> > > > >>> > > Mark > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 038D03BEE8; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ofZQwtg/kFk6SijSi6An9EpkvutW0FfnKX5YH5rOo2EpDFdmssu4udynReOs4P8vbfQO0Ytq2RN2oFuOit53lvuncM7muP4TCxYdiMLGGza88OCVyX9NYU0G+zGQhe0XlXferx2TKGHqa+unVzTPH3TrO0QZ9lXoTyC92xbqU4I= ; Message-ID: <20060508200445.58921.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:07:51 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree. It's not a judgement call, it's just more a matter of personal choice. Bob's been great and so had the Looperlative. I'm just rethinking of how I want to work with a looper in my world. You mention that you couldn't afford to buy one. It was pretty hard for me too which is why I'm rethinking this. Do I really need a second hardware looper when I have a perfectly servicable Repeater? --- jayrope wrote: > > I am afraid I didn¹t read further before, sorry > for dissing you here mark. > > > > I do undertand your reasons now. > > > > still I believe, that the looperlative will be a > very cool machine ­ in the > > end ­ and the more imprtant questions is, if > there¹s any way of finding bob > > co-developpers to help him and expand the idea of > this great thing > > > > so > > jayrope - berlin > > > > From: mark sottilaro > > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:44:38 -0700 (PDT) > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: > Looperlative LP1 testers) > > > > Hey, > > > > I'm thinking of staying with my Repeater and > ditching > > the Looperlative. Bob's offered to take it back > but I > > imagine he'll just sell it for his $1500 price. > I'm > > not looking to make money on this, but I'd like to > > retreive my full purchase amount. $1320 gets it > > shipped to your door if you're in the USA. > > > > M > > > > --- mark t wrote: > > > >> > If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! > >> > > >> > On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro > >> > wrote: > >>> > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > >>> > > > >>>> > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a > while, I'm a > >>>> > > > little bothered with the > >>>> > > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of > develloping a > >>>> > > > software. > >>> > > > >>> > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, > "what a > >> > great > >>> > > idea, go to the people!" and then reality > set in. > >>> > > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self > >> > absorbed > >>> > > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy > by > >> > this > >>> > > point. I can't wait for the "let's change > the > >> > logo > >>> > > thread!" ;) > >>> > > > >>> > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, > maybe due > >> > to > >>> > > his design by customer input, that I bought > a beta > >>> > > product. The manual is poor (many features > are > >> > barely > >>> > > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't > for > >> > Steve > >>> > > Lawson on the forum I probably would have > returned > >> > the > >>> > > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't > implemented in > >> > any > >>> > > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. > (many > >>> > > have already been found and fixed) Was a > night of > >> > my > >>> > > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi > channels > >> > as > >>> > > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the > midi > >>> > > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. > Another > >> > gone > >>> > > because stopped tracks don't restart synced > to the > >>> > > clock... > >>> > > > >>> > > Also, because of it's very open yet > unfinished > >> > form > >>> > > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a > tweak > >> > away > >>> > > from being my dream looper. (there's > curently no > >> > way > >>> > > to use the midi tracks as separate loops > when > >> > synced > >>> > > to a midi clock and have them operate like > the EDP > >> > or > >>> > > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) > Judging > >> > from > >>> > > what I read on the forum you could operate > it that > >>> > > way. > >>> > > > >>> > > If this was a product from a company like > Roland > >> > or > >>> > > Digitech, it would have been returned. > Mostly > >> > when > >>> > > those companies release a product it is what > it > >> > is. > >>> > > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't > operate > >> > like I > >>> > > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a > product > >> > that > >>> > > *may* change into what I want. This is kind > of > >> > odd, > >>> > > as rather than digging into if for what it > is (a > >> > very > >>> > > cool multi track looper), I can't help but > think > >> > of > >>> > > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! > >>> > > > >>> > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put > in > >>> > > several requests but never got a "oh that's > slated > >> > in > >>> > > the next release" or "no, that's not doable > at > >> > this > >>> > > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes > to > >> > multiple > >>> > > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI > sync, > >> > we > >>> > > will need to spend more time defining how > you want > >> > the > >>> > > software to work. The software is still > young and > >> > I'd > >>> > > be happy to make changes to make operate in > a > >> > useable > >>> > > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? > I > >> > don't > >>> > > develop hardware/software loopers so I have > no > >> > idea > >>> > > what it takes in terms of time to implement > >> > features. > >>> > > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as > I'm one > >> > of > >>> > > few that even care about this. > >>> > > > >>> > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me > *but I > >>> > > couldn't know that based on prerelease > >> > information* > >>> > > It's not even in my signal chain. I know > I'm > >> > ranting > >>> > > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my > bank > >> > acount > >>> > > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do > I > >> > wait? > >>> > > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, > but > >> > part > >>> > > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent > in > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:11:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81A8D3BEEC; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.27.164):SA:0(-0.7/5.0):. Processed in 2.635089 secs Process 8106) Message-ID: <445FA5D1.80401@swyatt.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:10:57 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt Reply-To: loopersdelight@swyatt.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0619-0, 05/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:11:12 +0000 (UTC) jayrope wrote: > still I believe, that the looperlative will be a very cool machine – > in the end – I think most sane people on this list would agree with this statement... but I totally understand the frustration that Mark was feeling. (I had similar feelings when I opted for the Repeater... I imagined it to work one way, yet it worked the opposite. Whereas the Repeater is ideal for some styles of looping, it totally worked against mine.) Marks rant was purely just that, a rant. He needed to air it somewhere, and what better place than LD? :) I did the same with my Repeater rants back in the day.... He needed the LP1 to do what he wanted do. It couldnt do it. Mark had every right to vent his frustrations. The LP1 is in a very early version of the OS. It already has many users salivating from various orifices, yet the OS can only get better. Just look at the progression from Loop1 to LoopIV, or the progression of Mobius and SooperLooper. It can only get better. The developer seems to listen to people, and from what I have experienced and heard, he is a jolly nice guy to boot! Considering Bob is a one-man band (no pun intended), I am totally amazed that he has managed to get the unit into production. As the early adopter units sell (and I believe are selling well), he can reinvest the money back into the company... hire developers... hire other staff... be able to work on it himself full time. It can only get better. The LP1 has the potential to be the ultimate hardware looper for most people. It just needs time to mature. I for one will be watching its progress with great interest. Good luck Bob! - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98D53BEF0; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LIKnl1IDnf4lKW29fXIrwyVFTu3dfWDMb4uXQGwFlJWZOZOISp8kLanchkVjIl2G+hjofBPnStr54nw3Y5pegWnQq+Y+OHoZMQhKPKhiTJhwFgdod2p4kgJ1Z6T0mvDwFW5pUyCwsqVCdm4Gw2EIVGtYkDkKQ4B7KDnUNWVEW0s= ; Message-ID: <20060508200910.17255.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: jayrope In-Reply-To: <28310009.1147118223128.JavaMail.root@web29> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:10 +0000 (UTC) My guess is never. The looperlative isn't a product made by a huge corporation, it's a labor of love by a single developer. The only way you could make a box like this for that money would be if you did the manufacturing overseas and ended the personal support and upgrades that Bob supplies. I think the looperlative is worth what it costs. I'm just not sure if it's worth that *to me* based on how I make my music. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:20:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D413BEFC; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:24:32 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: paulrichard10@adelphia.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: jayrope Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28310009.1147118223128.JavaMail.root@web29> References: <28310009.1147118223128.JavaMail.root@web29> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:20:08 +0000 (UTC) --On Monday, May 08, 2006 12:57 PM -0700 paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > I just have one question? When's the price of the Looperlative going to > drop to, say, $599.99? That can only happen if I start building them in the thousands at a time. Offering an LP1 at that price would be a loss for me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28C433BF01; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0B4BA4FC-6FEF-484C-98F4-077E13ECE1FF@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:24:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) >>>I just have one question? When's the price of the Looperlative going to drop to, say, $599.99? Hopefuly, after the folks with deep pockets buy them.<<<< In your dreams... The cost price on the LP1 is more than that...! I'm sure if someone were to order 10,000 of them, Bob could afford to build a streamlined production facility and drop the price a bit, but why make something as fully-featured as the LP1 and then sell it as though it's a beginner product? For the money with the LP1, you get free software updates for life in what for my money is the best hardware architecture there is... I think that's a pretty major value- added feature... If you want 'cheap' looping, get a laptop and stick Mobius or SooperLooper on it. I tried them and couldn't deal with the hassle of the latency and the faff of using something as fragile as a laptop... cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86DEC3BF0B; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1RJ3jT9RILWMtKnXLopL5KgRuPYTxH0F8moDwv6vCA3aZjMP0X1vMo9UPgkDv513Vy6G5OMxs1AvMgYZueZw3ZAxd4LugS1o9zY4hhzHG/6Qa2fUj99pOlPTNUPTfVXcnD44br4Ohr9zkMt0mEdwYr35LZN6ZwuWxi05tcXZrbY= ; Message-ID: <20060508202739.78382.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 To: loopersdelight@swyatt.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <445FA5D1.80401@swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Stuart. I couldn't have said it better. The interesting thing is that I read every one of Stuart's Repeater rants back in the day. While what he was saying about it was true, it didn't hold true for me and I became a supporter of the Repeater (and still am) But his rants helped me as I hope my rants would help others. I try to present balanced information and preface everything with "this has been my experience because I am trying to do..." Maybe you are trying to do something else. I hope you are! This is a great time for loopers. Lots of products available. Bob sold out his first run and I'm sure he'll continue to sell out. I've heard great music coming from people using the Looperlative. I've heard equally good music coming from people using the EDP and the Repeater. Hell, I've seen great sets by guys using old boss delay pedals for looping. As it is I *have* a looper. I was looking for something that worked in a specific way to do something else. I thought the LP-1 was going to come to me that way. It didn't. Is that bad? Nope. It just is what it is. Perhaps it will one day work like I'd expect it to. I'm just not sure if I'm in the mood to wait. I'm kind of an impatient mother fucker. Once the money's left my account I want to learn the new box and get on with making music. I'll fully admit to my personality flaw. On that note, my soon-to-be-wife asked me, "well what would you do if this was something made by a big company that you bought at the Guitar Center?" Fair question. First off, if this was a Boss or Lexicon product there would have been a more complete (and probably horribily translated!) manual posted for me to read before I even touched the device. Second, a trip to my local shop would have let me try it out to see if it worked as I thought it would. Had it not, I would have just left. Had I taken it home I could have made a quick trip back for a refund. I only wrote Mark T back because he specifically ased for a chance to get it. I imagine because he's eager to get one before the next production run. I thought it would be nice to give him that chance. --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > jayrope wrote: > > > still I believe, that the looperlative will be > a very cool machine – > > in the end – > > I think most sane people on this list would agree > with this statement... > but I totally understand the frustration that Mark > was feeling. (I had > similar feelings when I opted for the Repeater... I > imagined it to work > one way, yet it worked the opposite. Whereas the > Repeater is ideal for > some styles of looping, it totally worked against > mine.) > > Marks rant was purely just that, a rant. He needed > to air it somewhere, > and what better place than LD? :) I did the same > with my Repeater rants > back in the day.... He needed the LP1 to do what he > wanted do. It > couldnt do it. Mark had every right to vent his > frustrations. > > The LP1 is in a very early version of the OS. It > already has many users > salivating from various orifices, yet the OS can > only get better. Just > look at the progression from Loop1 to LoopIV, or the > progression of > Mobius and SooperLooper. It can only get better. > > The developer seems to listen to people, and from > what I have > experienced and heard, he is a jolly nice guy to > boot! Considering Bob > is a one-man band (no pun intended), I am totally > amazed that he has > managed to get the unit into production. As the > early adopter units sell > (and I believe are selling well), he can reinvest > the money back into > the company... hire developers... hire other > staff... be able to work on > it himself full time. > > It can only get better. The LP1 has the potential to > be the ultimate > hardware looper for most people. It just needs time > to mature. > > I for one will be watching its progress with great > interest. > > Good luck Bob! > > - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:28:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279B23BF14; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <26154253.1147120128995.JavaMail.root@web29> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:28:48 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Cc: Steve Lawson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Well, not to diss the LP1, but wasn't the price of the EDP around that a while back? The EDP isn't all THAT far from an LP-1 class unit. I seem to remember buying one from Alto Music for around $600.00. -- Paul Richards ---- Steve Lawson wrote: > >>>I just have one question? When's the price of the Looperlative > going to drop to, say, $599.99? > > Hopefuly, after the folks with deep pockets buy them.<<<< > > In your dreams... The cost price on the LP1 is more than that...! > > I'm sure if someone were to order 10,000 of them, Bob could afford to > build a streamlined production facility and drop the price a bit, but > why make something as fully-featured as the LP1 and then sell it as > though it's a beginner product? For the money with the LP1, you get > free software updates for life in what for my money is the best > hardware architecture there is... I think that's a pretty major value- > added feature... If you want 'cheap' looping, get a laptop and stick > Mobius or SooperLooper on it. I tried them and couldn't deal with the > hassle of the latency and the faff of using something as fragile as a > laptop... > > cheers, > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BEC73BF18; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0oVwruMz7hMELqjncTuquXkzOFX+zahwBeeRS6SPAajJ0/jnMmoX76Smhvl9SEYReafiOc6GP7pT53RUCvXjMRn7InYLeEZmkV/3uvSZZVV6UZgdjuoJg/T64+zhBRdKBVfmX3E57qddU0cxI0HDLdzubbB4Pe2ntOxeFChtzFo= ; Message-ID: <20060508203514.56993.qmail@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:35:14 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: guitarsound from the norwegian moutains To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1588632992-1147120514=:55922" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:35:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-1588632992-1147120514=:55922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! 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--0-1588632992-1147120514=:55922-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:36:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41F6E3BF19; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:42:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 From: jayrope To: mark sottilaro , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060508200910.17255.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Quality just has its price, that=B9s what I think. Aswell as certain features have thei rprice aswell. I think that's totally okay like that, otehrwise people would approach boss in masses to get rid of the dr50 before its out and instead focus on finalizing the lp1 J Maybe thats a good idea? I'd be into helping bob to make the right connections From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1DB53BF21; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <26154253.1147120128995.JavaMail.root@web29> References: <26154253.1147120128995.JavaMail.root@web29> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--837615928 Message-Id: <8687E8FB-CFCC-4C7F-BC63-10020AF8678E@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:39:52 +0100 To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:39:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--837615928 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 8 May 2006, at 21:28, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Well, not to diss the LP1, but wasn't the price of the EDP around > that a while back? The EDP isn't all THAT far from an LP-1 class unit. > > I seem to remember buying one from Alto Music for around $600.00. Yeah, and the Echoplex was made in much larger numbers with pretty old technology, and without the option to have the software upgraded without buying the new version when it comes out every few years. The Looperlative is made with brand new technology, and is freely upgradeable when Bob can get the upgrades out in response to user requests. I'd say that's a whole other notion. With the Echoplex, you get years and years of development that has formed the software to the place it is now at (with a pretty incredible set of features, I think). With the LP1 you're buying into a start-up, one with on-going support and development. Different products for different needs. If you'd only be prepared to buy one for $599, that's your choice, but I think you're going to have a very long wait.... Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson --Apple-Mail-2--837615928 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 8 May 2006, at = 21:28, paulrichard10@adelphia.net = wrote:

Well, not = to diss the LP1, but wasn't the price of the EDP around that a while = back? The EDP isn't all THAT far from an LP-1 class unit.


I seem to remember buying one from Alto Music for around = $600.00.


Yeah, and the Echoplex was = made in much larger numbers with pretty old technology, and without the = option to have the software upgraded without buying the new version when = it comes out every few years.=A0

The Looperlative is made = with brand new technology, and is freely upgradeable when Bob can get = the upgrades out in response to user requests. I'd say that's a whole = other notion.=A0

With the Echoplex, you get = years and years of development that has formed the software to the place = it is now at (with a pretty incredible set of features, I think). With = the LP1=A0
you're buying into a start-up, one with on-going support = and development. Different products for different needs. If you'd only = be prepared to buy one for $599,=A0 that's your choice, but I think = you're going to have a very long wait....=A0

Steve
www.stevelaws= on.net - site
www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop
www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson


 =

= --Apple-Mail-2--837615928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:46:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3E983BF1D; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:51:48 +0200 Subject: The perfectly servicing repater was re: loperlative ditching v2 From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060508200830.16BFF3BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229973508_765982" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:46:19 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229973508_765982 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > mark one half sentence you said was: >=20 > when > I have a perfectly servicable Repeater? >=20 > uhm why is mine not? > it=B9s not at all perfectly serviceable over here. > it sounds bad on higehr volumes, noise floor reduction is a specialists > treatment I can=B9t do myself, plus it doesn=B9t supply instant looping like = a lex > jamman. my jamman on 12 bit sounds much better on high volumes aswell! af= ter > three years all these faders and knobs crackle. the display=B9s displaying = funny > vaslues or nothing everyonce in a while. that means, that probably some = of > the faders just put out random values due to dust. > maybe so.=20 >=20 > the repeater is a cheap device, cheap in every component. it promises a l= ot, > but the most simple things don=B9t work, like the instant looping or just a= n > overall good sound (so electrix saved to spend on converter quality) - >=20 > I personally trust ino devices made with love, obsession fvro the eprfect= , > even if they don=B9t work in the first place. if I had the money to afford > supporting bob I would do so, especially because brilliant ideas always n= eed > initial fundin, may ti seem to be overprioxed in the first place. >=20 > of courses no one really has to see it that way, but such attitude is the > force of invention I belive. >=20 > j >=20 >=20 --B_3229973508_765982 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The perfectly servicing repater was re: loperlative ditching v2</TIT= LE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco"><TT>mark one half sentence you said was:<BR= > <BR> when<BR> I have a perfectly servicable Repeater?<BR> <BR> uhm why is mine not?<BR> it’s not at all perfectly serviceable over here.<BR> it sounds bad on higehr volumes, noise floor reduction is a specialists tre= atment I can’t do myself, plus it doesn’t supply instant looping= like a lex jamman. my jamman on 12 bit sounds much better on high volumes a= swell! after three years all these faders and knobs crackle. the displayR= 17;s displaying funny vaslues or nothing everyonce in a  while. that me= ans, that probably some of the faders just put out random values due to dust= .<BR> maybe so. <BR> <BR> the repeater is a cheap device, cheap in every component. it promises a lot= , but the most simple things don’t work, like the instant looping or j= ust an overall good sound (so electrix saved to spend on converter quality) = - <BR> <BR> I personally trust ino devices made with love, obsession fvro the eprfect, = even if they don’t work in the first place. if I had the money to affo= rd supporting bob I would do so, especially because brilliant ideas always n= eed initial fundin, may ti seem to be overprioxed in the first place. <BR> <BR> of courses no one really has to see it that way, but such attitude is the f= orce of invention I belive.<BR> <BR> j<BR> <BR> </TT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3229973508_765982-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:46:25 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF1403BF1E; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:46:24 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Cc: Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <lp5OEB.A.41G.h46XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:46:25 +0000 (UTC) The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for maybe a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so we can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. -- Paul Richards ---- Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> wrote: > > On 8 May 2006, at 21:28, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > > Well, not to diss the LP1, but wasn't the price of the EDP around > > that a while back? The EDP isn't all THAT far from an LP-1 class unit. > > > > I seem to remember buying one from Alto Music for around $600.00. > > Yeah, and the Echoplex was made in much larger numbers with pretty > old technology, and without the option to have the software upgraded > without buying the new version when it comes out every few years. > > The Looperlative is made with brand new technology, and is freely > upgradeable when Bob can get the upgrades out in response to user > requests. I'd say that's a whole other notion. > > With the Echoplex, you get years and years of development that has > formed the software to the place it is now at (with a pretty > incredible set of features, I think). With the LP1 > you're buying into a start-up, one with on-going support and > development. Different products for different needs. If you'd only be > prepared to buy one for $599, that's your choice, but I think you're > going to have a very long wait.... > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:53:10 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708033BF26; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445FAFB0.5080107@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:53:04 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass References: <20060508192423.11899.qmail@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060508192423.11899.qmail@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <__dUfD.A.sGH.2-6XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Exactly, that's pretty much what I meant - I *might* be able to adjust the truss-rod myself ( I think it's truss-rod*S* on this bass, though), but narrowing the nut-slots usually means getting a new one put in, glued and filed, if I recall correctly. That means taking the bass to the shop-> a lot more expensive. andreas. ditch wrestler wrote: > There might be several things that would need to be adjusted when going > for string tuning or guages that the bass wasn't set-up for. The main > two are > > - truss rod as different tunings will put the neck under different tension > - the slots in the nut may need to be widened or narrowed depending on > the diameter of the strings > > > ted harms. > > > */Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk>/* wrote: > > Charlie, I currently use my regularly tuned 6-string, and I'm quite > clueless to these weird tunings- are the F strings readily available? > hell, is it just a guitar-string? ;) Also, I'd need to have alterations > made in a shop, right? > > Andreas > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://messenger.yahoo.com> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 20:59:48 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2BC53BF0E; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> References: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <AECAFCD8-F1A6-4B66-B08A-F2B6E47A1C11@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:59:41 +0100 To: Loop List <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <HNBwWD.A.OdH.DF7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) On 8 May 2006, at 21:46, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for > maybe a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass > produce them so we can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. Except Zoom wouldn't pay a million for something like the LP1, and there's no way on earth that they were provide the kind of ongoing support and development that makes the LP1 so attractive to those of us that are using it. When did Zoom last turn round a request for a product feature into a downloadable software upgrade, for free, in less than a week? I'm guessing that it's never happened, and never will. And anyway, Zoom are free to make their own high-spec looper if they think it'll sell in the kind of quantities needed to warrant the kind of development needed to get a box like that to work. Ask Kim or Matthias about the time and effort they put into getting the various version of the EDP software together. Months and Months of effort, and decades of knowledge. No-one's recouping millions from that investment. Sadly. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:00:41 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9594C3BF10; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <mech@m3ch.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <p06230905c0856170d544@[10.0.1.7]> In-Reply-To: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> References: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:00:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech <mech@m3ch.net> Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <pdulVC.A.BpH.5F7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:00:41 +0000 (UTC) At 1:46 PM -0700 5/8/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > ...mass produce them so we can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. Ummmm, clarify please? --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:08:12 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE45F3BF0F; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <luca@unguitar.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <445FB23B.5080306@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:03:55 +0200 From: Luca Formentini <luca@unguitar.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks References: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> <445DCFC5.6080809@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <445DCFC5.6080809@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <LYjyE.A.zF.8M7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Ok, reserve price was set a little high, so I relisted it with a lower price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7413514301&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Please someone use it, I worked a lot for it and can't accept to see it standing here unplugged ;-) my best, luca. www.unguitar.com Luca Formentini wrote: > I forgot to mention that a creative credit for this tool has to be > given to Mr. Claude Voit, who enlightned me about the "two separate > racks" idea. > Hi Claude, wait for you here ;-) > best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > Luca Formentini wrote: > >> Hi dears, >> I just thought to inform you I put what I called "rack bridge" on >> ebay here: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7411635901&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 >> >> >> just in case someone finds it suitable for their needs. >> >> my best, >> luca >> www.unguitar.com >> >> >> . >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:14:06 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAB1A3BF1F; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <cazwicky@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <p06230904c0856521b9bc@[24.215.167.230]> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:14:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <PbVuf.A.KZ.eS7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) There are a lot of amazing things that the LP-1 can do that make me want one, too. In particular the asynchronus looping capability.. ! At the moment I use the Bob Sellon modded Jamman, the EH 16 second delay, the Electrix Repeater, the Line 6 DL-4 and the Expert Sleepers Augustus Loop. The real question for me is whether the LP-1 is worth the price of SIX line 6 DL-4, or a laptop running a software looper? If the LP-1 was $599 Bob would easily sell twice as many, but this may not be feasable under his current manufacturing model. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:16:45 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8983BF20; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <KHL2005@topic.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <p06230901c0855ae37a5f@[192.168.0.101]> In-Reply-To: <445FA5D1.80401@swyatt.com> References: <C0856DEF.682%jrploopers@kliklak.net> <445FA5D1.80401@swyatt.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:16:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ken.H" <KHL2005@topic.net> Subject: Re: Ditching lopperlative version 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: <VxvhO.A.Al.8U7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Not to harp on anyone... but I just wanted to say that I'm happy with my Looperlative. I'm happy with the whole experience. I think most of us who bought into the 'newest looper on the block' realized that we were getting into a work in progress, and most of us were even a bit gleeful to have a chance to communicate directly with the developer. See my comments interleaved below if you want to know more about my view of the Looperlative in context... FWIW, I used to use a DL-4, then got an EDP, then bought another EDP for stereo. Then I sold an EDP to help pay for the Looperlative. Now I'm _happy_! Stuart Wyatt quoted jayrope, who was quoting Mark S >jayrope wrote: > >> still I believe, that the looperlative will be a very cool machine - >> in the end - > >I think most sane people on this list would agree with this >statement... but I totally understand the frustration that Mark was >feeling. (I had similar feelings when I opted for the Repeater... I >imagined it to work one way, yet it worked the opposite. Whereas the >Repeater is ideal for some styles of looping, it totally worked >against mine.) Hear hear! And the EDP didn't work for me, as I wanted to record _multiple & independent_ stereo loops which I could capture, leave silent for a while, and bring certain ones back in/out in different ways. The Repeater might have. Too bad I couldn't buy a Repeater for the year-plus that I was on the pre-order list. >Mark's rant was purely just that, a rant. He needed to air it >somewhere, and what better place than LD? :) I did the same with my >Repeater rants back in the day.... He needed the LP1 to do what he >wanted do. It couldnt do it. Mark had every right to vent his >frustrations. Well, it's possible that the Looperlative Forums would have been a better/more productive place for the rant (at least as a start). Or at least more respectful. >The LP1 is in a very early version of the OS. It already has many >users salivating from various orifices, yet the OS can only get >better. Just look at the progression from Loop1 to LoopIV, or the >progression of Mobius and SooperLooper. It can only get better. Agreed. Much more to come. Simply wait if it doesn't do what you want today. Mark was justified in being frustrated that MIDI-sync didn't do quite what he wanted, but he could have tried a bit harder to be understood about his need for MIDI-synced tracks, and exactly how it was not working as he expected. THEN, with no real response, he would be more justified in his public rant. My opinion. >The developer seems to listen to people, and from what I have >experienced and heard, he is a jolly nice guy to boot! Considering >Bob is a one-man band (no pun intended), I am totally amazed that he >has managed to get the unit into production. As the early adopter >units sell (and I believe are selling well), he can reinvest the >money back into the company... hire developers... hire other >staff... be able to work on it himself full time. I don't think Bob is trying to build a looping empire. Which is just fine with me. He couldn't afford to take the time to listen to all of us on the Looperlative Forum if he had hundreds going out the door. >It can only get better. The LP1 has the potential to be the ultimate >hardware looper for most people. It just needs time to mature. That doesn't sound quite right to me. It's a pretty mature product already. Are a certain amount of bugs inherent in any new complex hardware/software product? Obviously. I received one of the first units, and there have not been too many upgrades _necessary_. Pretty reasonable rollout. That, in itself, is pretty impressive. Does the Looperlative claim to replace all other loopers? No. Is it immature until it can do everything an EDP/Repeater can do? No. Should we rate it on it's own merits, just like we do when we compare loopers like DL-4/JamMan/EDP/Repeaters/Eventides/etc.? Yes. And, for ME, it does a great job. It's gravy that it will have new features added over time, and it isn't trying to be the Holy Grail of loopers (yet). I'm very glad that Stuart closed with an encouraging statement: >I for one will be watching its progress with great interest. > >Good luck Bob! > >- Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com And Mark absolutely pegged it when he said: At 1:04 PM -0700 5/8/06, mark s wrote: > >I totally agree. It's not a judgement call, it's just >more a matter of personal choice. Bob's been great >and so had the Looperlative. I'm just rethinking of >how I want to work with a looper in my world. and... At 1:09 PM -0700 5/8/06, mark s wrote: >The looperlative isn't a product >made by a huge corporation, it's a labor of love by a >single developer. > Oh, so true. It's good to catch people doing a good job, once in a while. Thanks, Bob! Ken H. P.S. Just before hitting send on this, I saw the "looper elites" comment. Don't know what that meant. I'm certainly not any sort of elite, and not all that amazing of a looper. But I am an engineer, and I know quality when I see it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:16:48 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FC7B3BF2E; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <jrploopers@kliklak.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:22:13 +0200 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #406 From: jayrope <jrploopers@kliklak.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: <C0858325.68F%jrploopers@kliklak.net> In-Reply-To: <20060508205948.73A9B3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229975333_875761" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <RP3xGC.A.to.AV7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/60902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:16:48 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229975333_875761 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > paul richards said: > > sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so we can get the looper elites > to shut the hell up. > > > I say yeah: but keep guys like bob as developpers. > > toot > > j --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). --B_3229975333_875761 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #406
paul richards said:

sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so we can get the looper elit= es to shut the hell up.


I say yeah: but keep guys like bob as developpers.

toot

j
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best greets from berlin!

Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin

http://www.kliklak.net
random love songs:
http://myspace.com/jrpsolo
all the trash:
http://myspace.com/jayrope
...
my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) = (im)permanent internet connection(breakup).


 --B_3229975333_875761-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7A93BF26; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: hoarding... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:17:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Server-Quench: 2122cf9f-ded8-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:18:05 +0000 (UTC) ...the LP1 isn't totally working for me yet but i'm willing to wait until it is... and.. call me crazy but i will hoard any midi controllable looping machines i can get my hands on, whether they work for me right now or not!! p.s. i saw an amazing looper at coachella. Jamie Lidell. i abused my vip pass to get a look at his gear backstage, but the crew was too speedy packing up. definately a mac involved and a sampler of some kind. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:20:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4393BF2C; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <445FB52B.20507@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:16:27 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hoarding... References: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_YJP9C.A.FBB.mY7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Kyma ? Zoe Keating wrote: > ...the LP1 isn't totally working for me yet but i'm willing to wait > until it is... > > and.. > > call me crazy but i will hoard any midi controllable looping machines > i can get my hands on, whether they work for me right now or not!! > > p.s. i saw an amazing looper at coachella. Jamie Lidell. i abused my > vip pass to get a look at his gear backstage, but the crew was too > speedy packing up. definately a mac involved and a sampler of some kind. > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:22:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 830A83BF2F; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SyeqxnMLuQWp3cNl3YzuS5kO2se/Mjb4hcwt9Tp3+sfD+dfHulenLO1BulXIqFU2wsOKRL0xF8ZEfFUSWIeMKupZtSv8aCHTfydK5rPh5Y1X+rKseNNqScNULJglI0XXvyRRs9wg6+bG4Xm47EGFSKq0B1Hq0U6uItstISgQxZ4= Message-ID: <913728d60605081422w1883ae98u17d5e180fef0a7e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:22:33 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4/5 string bass In-Reply-To: <445FAFB0.5080107@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060508192423.11899.qmail@web33812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <445FAFB0.5080107@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:22:34 +0000 (UTC) with my 6'er i didn't have to change the nut, but don't remember if i needed to reset the trussrod...i actually got it from a local friend (who is also on LD) and he said he didn't get a new nut (and i agree'd it didn't need it) but i don't recall what he said about the trussrod...either way, its not hard to do yourself, all you need is an allen wrench and the self-confidence to believe that you won't snap the neck! :) anyways no more than a quarter turn per day is what i was told was the rule of thumb, and it worked well for me :) thoeretically this whole project should only cost you the price of a new string (and an allen wrench if you don't have one) Charlie On 5/8/06, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Exactly, that's pretty much what I meant - I *might* be able to adjust > the truss-rod myself ( I think it's truss-rod*S* on this bass, though), > but narrowing the nut-slots usually means getting a new one put in, > glued and filed, if I recall correctly. That means taking the bass to > the shop-> a lot more expensive. > > andreas. > > ditch wrestler wrote: > > There might be several things that would need to be adjusted when going > > for string tuning or guages that the bass wasn't set-up for. The main > > two are > > > > - truss rod as different tunings will put the neck under different tens= ion > > - the slots in the nut may need to be widened or narrowed depending on > > the diameter of the strings > > > > > > ted harms. > > > > > > */Andreas Wetterberg /* wrote: > > > > Charlie, I currently use my regularly tuned 6-string, and I'm quite > > clueless to these weird tunings- are the F strings readily availabl= e? > > hell, is it just a guitar-string? ;) Also, I'd need to have alterat= ions > > made in a shop, right? > > > > Andreas > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > > rates starting at 1=A2/min. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05B3F3BF3A; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jGIi4IDnh9vVmZ39oHozdzxv2xeaklJrh2H0GHFWwKArJMteuvLeRhZ5pBuOBnAVT8oJiJNhucowuszLJiuiKHC6WRON2rEj9EaRcO0NaDbf7YT14A14NYBVWBOfAQlIAcEWOZXvb2qlhxSsfJPACW5NKqoIN3h7ezEl1qeMsFc= Message-ID: <913728d60605081431h4667ad0elf147253cf70acbef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:31:09 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass tunings In-Reply-To: <000601c672d5$a1a47cf0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <445F8DAA.2070102@post.cybercity.dk> <000601c672d5$a1a47cf0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <7W1ZeD.A.BiB.ei7XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:31:10 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to hear some songs where you use that tuning...that is really low! The weirdest bass tuning i've ever encountered (other than any of Michael Manrings crazy 100 different tunings per song tunings) was in fifths, like a standard bass only upside down (like a violin right?) and that was pretty wild...Another cool tuning i like is the one that a cool bass player named Jauqo III-X uses and that is C#, F#, B, and E, from low to high...and yes, that E is equal to the low E that bass players are used to :) if anyone ever finds the brown sound, it'll be Jauqo :) Charlie On 5/8/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > [Discussion by Charlie and Andreas about weird tunings] > > Ok, now here's for another weird tuning. I call mine "inverted lute tunin= g", > and it's similair to a guitar tuning, only from top to bottom. In other > words: I start at 'A (the one below a 5-string B) and it goes 'A E B f# d= ' > a' (the a' being the one below a guitar B). The tonal range? Five octaves= . > But yeah, sometimes I even use an octaver (up, mind you). > > As for getting the strings: As Charlie mentioned, there are some speciali= ty > companies who sell these specific string sizes. When I had decided I want= ed > this tuning, I didn't want to search for strings, I wanted it now, so I w= ent > to a shop and got a) a set of medium heavy six-string strings, b) a set o= f > baritone guitar strings. Now the ball ends of those would slip through th= e > bridge of my (non-alterated) bass, so I used some aluminium washers. > > Apart from that, no changes to the bass (apart from setting it up > differently). > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:38:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F7D83BF38; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> References: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: hoarding... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:37:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:38:10 +0000 (UTC) I hear he is using max MSP...... > call me crazy but i will hoard any midi controllable looping machines > i can get my hands on, whether they work for me right now or not!! > > p.s. i saw an amazing looper at coachella. Jamie Lidell. i abused my > vip pass to get a look at his gear backstage, but the crew was too > speedy packing up. definately a mac involved and a sampler of some > kind. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 21:47:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342AE3BF3F; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kcWtM+D1nd6Gdbv6Jf8Wt3YKThqItxwmy2cOr5X0wcNAAeuzpVocMgMzYPy0ohyYZiJSRIkLKA3+l+cBjEClBPxEdHcfH5+aEiS7Cr5UG9mxnGuaDVyYHJep5YWLZooaIBKRn1dMPA8R/egBToZKEpenQDM3pFR0xY9Q1559Ps4= ; Message-ID: <20060508213255.36419.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: cheap looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Steve Lawson In-Reply-To: <26154253.1147120128995.JavaMail.root@web29> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:47:55 +0000 (UTC) > ---- Steve Lawson wrote: > > added feature... If you want 'cheap' looping, get > a laptop and stick Mobius or SooperLooper on it. I tried them and > couldn't deal with the hassle of the latency and the faff of using > something as fragile as a laptop... Cheap looping from a laptop? I must counter you there. I'm looking at building a laptop rig based on Per's posts and there's nothing cheap about it. By the time you buy a decent laptop ($1200) and an audio interface ($200-700) you've spent as much as you'd spend on a pair of EDPs or a Looperlative and you don't even have one lick of software on that box. It might as well be a 6 lb brick. Throw something like Reaktor on it and you're well above the cost of any hardware looper currently in production. What you do gain from a laptop is flexability and portability. As Steve mentioned, what you loose is latency and stability. What's important to you is up to you. Steve makes great music on his Looperlative, Per makes great music on his latpop. You definitally don't end up spending less money by going to a laptop. You spend more. Again I will jump up and down yelling, "it's not that one is better than another, it's just a matter of finding the tool that works for you." Don't mix up "cost" and "value." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 22:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C33E3BF1B; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=sW6v0JiQD/g3wJmm6Jqkg2O2TEL5I+Szx16HUD9oUbzuPxCd8waDuB7VetDKtrcv; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <357316.1147125964479.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: b p t Reply-To: b p t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hoarding... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0cfb0214424eea999649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac4507c8f95214c510f6de3a6a5376a26a99b8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Liddel is def. using MAX/MSP. I have a fellow MAX/MSP-looping friend in common. There are severeal variations of essentially the same multi-channel looping patch floating around out there; each user basically customizes the features. AFAIR loops can be synced to internal clock, offset shifted, loop windows opened, pitch adjusted, etc. There are some popular MAX objects which have contributed to the spreading of these capabilities. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 22:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B81A63BF1E; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3IeKtMk9sc4wPjkRamIbOQeNQ9ORCUzQnjE0kfQNdM9jWTw842VfF8FOG7A2WpFQcYZN/sylQ1DR9LCW1HgH/gCLD3jcTV0FA8UfAUZWF3rCY4WIAr3+PRgXgUIr6EVDvNILUcfP/33ULUL1tV+ojQUMb2bR+mvX/EHdxmBANTE= ; Message-ID: <20060508220802.277.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:08:02 -0700 (PDT) From: murkie Reply-To: murkie Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <445D35A7.5000604@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:08:03 +0000 (UTC) wow. i've dreamt of something like that! as i can't bid, anyone know where i can get parts for something like this in the u.s.? m ----- Original Message ---- From: Luca Formentini To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:47:51 PM Subject: to those using multiple racks Hi dears, I just thought to inform you I put what I called "rack bridge" on ebay here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7411635901&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 just in case someone finds it suitable for their needs. my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 22:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C843BF27; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0B4BA4FC-6FEF-484C-98F4-077E13ECE1FF@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <0B4BA4FC-6FEF-484C-98F4-077E13ECE1FF@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ca5f015d3caeec732c69e853a23164b@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looperlative price... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:48:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, "cheap"....? You trying to get me to bite? :-) Great to see you, Steve! RE: laptops: Absolutely fully customizable looper...no wait for looper updates if=20 you use Max/MSP....you make them yourselves....want a new feature? add=20= it....! (give a man a looper, he loops for a day. teach him to make a=20 looper....my new mantra) still loving it, and latency not bothering me at all. Particularly=20 since leaving the m-audio interface behind..... I just want too keep the options straight....laptop is is a totally=20 VIABLE option....but I wouldn't say "cheap" in any sense of the=20 word.... For the price, the Looperlative sounds great! and has excellent=20 features! **************** Also: don't think I've forgotten about our project....just WAY behind=20 on life....touring too much....would rather be in London with you=20 sipping peppermint tea at Ray's Jazz talking about life and art and=20 life and music and theology and politics......or resting in the=20 pfMENTUM WORLD HEADQUARTERS and mixing..... much love to you! Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 8, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > If you want 'cheap' looping, get a laptop and stick Mobius or=20 > SooperLooper on it. I tried them and couldn't deal with the hassle of=20= > the latency and the faff of using something as fragile as a laptop...= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 22:33:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7BA3BF20; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060508220802.277.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060508220802.277.qmail@web54006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: to those using multiple racks Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:33:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:33:57 +0000 (UTC) On May 8, 2006, at 5:08 PM, murkie wrote: > as i can't bid, anyone know where i can get parts for something like > this in the u.s.? http://mouser.com order a catalogue. browse. you should find all that stuff there. --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 22:45:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B06F3BF16; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <357316.1147125964479.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <357316.1147125964479.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <545553CA-AA93-48BB-94D6-19ABB9ADDC69@zoekeating.com> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: hoarding... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:00 -0700 To: b p t X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Server-Quench: 4b997d11-dee4-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:45:09 +0000 (UTC) wow. it was pretty impressive. punchy, quick cut. there was no way he was using a mouse though. On May 8, 2006, at 3:06 PM, b p t wrote: > Liddel is def. using MAX/MSP. I have a fellow MAX/MSP-looping > friend in common. There are severeal variations of essentially the > same multi-channel looping patch floating around out there; each > user basically customizes the features. AFAIR loops can be synced > to internal clock, offset shifted, loop windows opened, pitch > adjusted, etc. There are some popular MAX objects which have > contributed to the spreading of these capabilities. > > B. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 23:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFC2F3BF18; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445FD471.2050309@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 01:29:53 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hoarding... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:29:58 +0000 (UTC) b p t wrote: > Liddel is def. using MAX/MSP. Yes, he's a self-confessed MaxMSP user. He apparently took a few months off to write his own patch. How "from scratch" it was is a bit hard to tell, though. > There are severeal variations of essentially the same multi-channel looping patch floating around out there; each user basically customizes the features. AFAIR loops can be synced to internal clock, offset shifted, loop windows opened, pitch adjusted, etc. There are some popular MAX objects which have contributed to the spreading of these capabilities. Yes. The main problem is that any real "loopers building blocks" system isn't in place. Instead people are working with relatively low-level systems, creating their own sync sources, etc. - which keeps it out reach for many. Even very established rigs like "lloopp" for Max are EXTREMELY obscure to me. I guess most max-users don't go for K.I.S.S. ;) a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 23:47:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C766D3BF18; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=E1pw7E+IiT+/O4Cp34UBujAmnVv5jeqihIBNTLcEsVOEqiqMlo0gzRgotpOdr4ub; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <207916.1147132058073.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:47:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: b p t Reply-To: b p t To: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: hoarding... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0cfb0214424eea999649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac4507f567f8372d23aa2bc5678dc98ea216fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: <5t7PhC.A.OUG.bi9XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:47:39 +0000 (UTC) A lot of seasoned laptop guys like Liddell may have some backing loops running in tandem with, and synced to, the buffer they are using to loop with. you could pretty easily use a foot switch to open and close the buffer or even have it automated and synced to the patch-wide clock. And voila -- no mouse clicks! B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 23:52:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3793BF29; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M3Eq+1bPcNmmWxgUZwlKC54lwW+zXM1X9cbeeiDp+BqTvKyUPFopAxHTeG22g2s25Z/9LY99VgI2TTRA/x2Br1CKVo4ErDL/19VuwOJ48biXfkxWDG8RQ9eEBYO/8b2GOUJ6hOpvkInyeMCphGnx5uzRX/byBWpNA+yydH8O8O8= ; Message-ID: <20060508235253.72249.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Looperlative Observations (and 1st post) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've been lurking here for a while. Since I am one of the first 30 or so people w/ a looperlative and some, uh, controversy has sprung up regarding it, I felt I should post. My way of looking at this is that you're buying a chance to be on the ground floor of a product's development. Kinda like buying a modular from some guy named Moog back in the 60's. It's a chance to help shape something, rather than just getting a product off a shelf. OTOH you're buying an unfinished product. I am OK with that, because it already has enough functionality to be worth it for me. I also know from experience that software engineering is never fast enough or bug-free enough. That's the price you pay for being on the cutting edge. Sometimes you bleed. If you bought it to do something it doesn't do yet, based on Bob's rather vague pronouncements, and you need it to do that RIGHT NOW, you will probably be dissapointed. I am not faulting Bob here at all. He has to be vague; that's just the nature of the beast. Stick with him and I think it will do everything he has sort of promised it will do. It will just take time. As for when you can get one for 599, probably never, unless Bob gets sick of all this and sells out. Which I hope he never does. (If you do get sick of it all Bob, just open-source the code. You can still build the boxes...just spitballing here). My Two Cents, "Some Dude" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 8 23:53:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 579773BF2E; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=eL9LW7Wxcg/CK7zWj7/79oX0K/u++5zxL9k3niQhiC/5rbctI36dmIdcpCXug4Di; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31599713.1147132414686.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:53:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: b p t Reply-To: b p t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hoarding... Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0cfb0214424eea999649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac45076456a138e0edfe7267fbbcb87861ee19350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:53:35 +0000 (UTC) It might be worth it to suggest that RadiaL is the culmination or aggregate of all the various Max/MSP looping objects into one application -- though it's directly from Cycling'74, rather than patched together by users. May not be to everyone's taste, but it is a unique program. Like many software loopers, you probably won't find a one-to-one comparison with many, or any, or the hardware loopers available. You would have to approach it on its own terms, like. b. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 00:18:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 089503BF25; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025801c672fe$04e62890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Looperlative pricing Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:17:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Paul Richards wrote: "The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for maybe a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so we can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. Dear Paul, with all due respect, you seem to be uninformed about the economics of the looping world. Zoom would never in a million years, by a product like the Looperlative for a million bucks. They would lose there asses in such a deal because not that many people even buy looping devices. At one point I made impassioned pleas to the people at Line 6 to put some changes into their cheap floor model , the DL-4. They said, "We sorry to tell you this, but we sell very few units of the DL-4 to people who are specifically using it for looping. Our market is for guitarists who use the delay modelling and the looping is thrown in as an added bonus. We don't sell enough to loopers to make it worthwhile adding, say MIDI syncing capabilities." It was an eye opener to me. Matthias Grob (inventor of the echoplex) and his partner Kim Flint can tell you about the lack of huge profit in selling a highly sophisticated looper. Bob Amstadt can tell you the same thing. He's risked a lot of his family's finances in an attempt to make this product and is the most non-elitist guy I could ever introduce you to. ****************** You know something, if you take any serious musician................after a while, they realize they want to buy a better axe to go along with all their hard work getting better on an instrument. If you are serious about electric guitars, you are going to have spend over a thousand dollars, by and large, to get a really good instrument. Shit, if you are cellist or an acoustic bassist we are talking $5,000 to $10,000 for a really good instrument. The looperlative is now, by far and away, the highest fidelity hardware based live looper on the planet right now. If you are serious about looping in your artistry, then you have to at least consider it as an option in what you invest in. Anyone can buy one at list price for a year of payments of $120-125/month. Try to buy the best drumset in the world for that price....................they'll laugh you out of the music store. The same goes for an excellent acoustic guitar or electric. The fact of the matter is that there are inexpensive instruments (line 6 DL-4, boss RC-20) and there are more sophisticated and more expensive instruments (the Echoplex and the Looperlative). You can buy software loopers that are fantastic for much cheaper, but you have to have a $1500 laptop computer to run them on. This is just life. To derisively tell the so called looper elites to shut the hell up is not only highly disrespectful but it also shows a woeful lack of knowledge on your part. Please consider your remarks before you blast people on this list. This community is heavily populated by those same people.........some of whom happen to be world class artists without an elitist bone in their bodies. And please get your facts straight. signed, a person who makes very little money, living off his artistry and also plays the cheapest and most expensive loopers on the market, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 00:32:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 722BC3BF37; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Laptops and Latency... Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:32:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:32:52 +0000 (UTC) The lovely Jeff said about working with MAX/MSP on a laptop - >>still loving it, and latency not bothering me at all. Particularly since leaving the m-audio interface behind.....<< one of the major differences between your music and mine is that your sound source is acoustic - so your relationship with latency is going to be very different in that you're already dealing with two separate sounds - the acoustic one and the processed one. A 7-10 millisecond latency on that is going to be pretty hard to pick up, I'd have thought... For me as a bassist, especially when playing percussively, I find the disconnect that I feel when presented with that kind of latency is just nasty. I could deal with it if I was using the direct monitoring thing through the soundcard, but that would then mean that I'd need an external processor as well, and would defeat the point of using a laptop. :o) We're talking about tiny tiny latency margins here, and loads of people are going to find that they don't notice them at all. For those peoples, a laptop is a cool way to go, if they don't mind having a laptop on stage etc. Gimme hardware any day of the week. Now if there was a hardware box that'd run Max/MSP with the kind of undetectable latency that the Looperlative is running (I think Bob said something silly like 0.3 of a millisecond - and someone else said it was less than the time it takes for an acoustic guitar signal to reach the ear of the player... Don't quote me on that though... ;o) cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 00:38:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AD773BF36; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c67300$d3ce3a60$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <025801c672fe$04e62890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Looperlative pricing Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:38:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:38:03 +0000 (UTC) With all due respect, it was a joke. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Looperlative pricing > Paul Richards wrote: > "The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for maybe > a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so we > can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. > > > Dear Paul, with all due respect, you seem to be uninformed about the > economics of the looping world. > > Zoom would never in a million years, by a product like the Looperlative > for a million bucks. They would lose there asses > in such a deal because not that many people even buy looping devices. > > At one point I made impassioned pleas to the people at Line 6 to put some > changes into their cheap floor model , the DL-4. > They said, "We sorry to tell you this, but we sell very few units of the > DL-4 to people who are specifically using it for looping. > Our market is for guitarists who use the delay modelling and the looping > is thrown in as an added bonus. We don't sell enough > to loopers to make it worthwhile adding, say MIDI syncing capabilities." > > It was an eye opener to me. Matthias Grob (inventor of the echoplex) > and his partner Kim Flint can tell you about the lack > of huge profit in selling a highly sophisticated looper. Bob Amstadt can > tell you the same thing. He's risked a lot of his family's finances > in an attempt to make this product and is the most non-elitist guy I could > ever introduce you to. > > ****************** > > You know something, if you take any serious musician................after > a while, they realize they want to buy a better axe to go along > with all their hard work getting better on an instrument. > > If you are serious about electric guitars, you are going to have spend > over a thousand dollars, by and large, to get a really good instrument. > Shit, if you are cellist or an acoustic bassist we are talking $5,000 to > $10,000 for a really good instrument. > > The looperlative is now, by far and away, the highest fidelity hardware > based live looper on the planet right now. > If you are serious about looping in your artistry, then you have to at > least consider it as an option in what you invest in. > > Anyone can buy one at list price for a year of payments of $120-125/month. > > Try to buy the best drumset in the world for that > price....................they'll laugh you out of the music store. > The same goes for an excellent acoustic guitar or electric. > > The fact of the matter is that there are inexpensive instruments (line 6 > DL-4, boss RC-20) and there are more sophisticated > and more expensive instruments (the Echoplex and the Looperlative). You > can buy software loopers that are fantastic > for much cheaper, but you have to have a $1500 laptop computer to run them > on. > This is just life. > > To derisively tell the so called looper elites to shut the hell up is not > only highly disrespectful but it also shows a woeful lack of knowledge on > your part. > > Please consider your remarks before you blast people on this list. This > community is heavily populated by those same people.........some of whom > happen to be world class artists without an elitist bone in their bodies. > > And please get your facts straight. > > signed, > > a person who makes very little money, living off his artistry and also > plays the cheapest and most expensive loopers on the market, > > Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 00:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A943C3BF36; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <545553CA-AA93-48BB-94D6-19ABB9ADDC69@zoekeating.com> References: <357316.1147125964479.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <545553CA-AA93-48BB-94D6-19ABB9ADDC69@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: hoarding... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:18:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:44:06 +0000 (UTC) I use a oxy8 keyboard and different pedals as virtually instantaneous=20 triggers (as fast as anything else out there)....playing the trumpet, I=20= have a hand free which is nice, but andrew (playing saxophone) has no=20 free hands so he just routes one of those rolls midi pedal boards in=20 for his switches...neither of us tough a mouse during a=20 performance....from that video of his, I'd say liddel doing the same. to quote stefan: "Max rulez!".... Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 8, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Zoe Keating wrote: > wow. it was pretty impressive. punchy, quick cut. there was no way he=20= > was using a mouse though. > > On May 8, 2006, at 3:06 PM, b p t wrote: > >> Liddel is def. using MAX/MSP. I have a fellow MAX/MSP-looping friend=20= >> in common. There are severeal variations of essentially the same=20 >> multi-channel looping patch floating around out there; each user=20 >> basically customizes the features. AFAIR loops can be synced to=20 >> internal clock, offset shifted, loop windows opened, pitch adjusted,=20= >> etc. There are some popular MAX objects which have contributed to=20 >> the spreading of these capabilities. >> >> B. >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 00:52:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4964E3BF41; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c67302$c89fc300$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <025801c672fe$04e62890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Looperlative pricing Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:52:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:52:03 +0000 (UTC) \To derisively tell the so called looper elites to shut the hell up is not only highly disrespectful but it also shows a woeful lack of knowledge on your part.\ You have to admit, there are a LOT of pompous folks on this board. And, they like to shut one up and can be disrespectful as well. You know this is true. Many people have posted on this board - and left the community. I remember seeing many messages of that flavor. In fact, you're doing the exact same thing. You made comments about I don't know anything about looping. I've been doing it for a fairly long time and have owned every looper at one time or another that's been manufactured for quite a while. I'm sure there's not a large market for expensive loopers. But, Boss is building mid-range priced units, aren't they? As is Digitech. And Electro-harmonix. Surely, they wouldn't make the same assertions as Line 6 made as these devices are made for looping almost exclusively. I respect the efforts made by the Looperlative developer. I'm sure he'll sell enough units to those that desire that quality and can afford the price. Like those that own high-end Lexicon stuff, etc. But, fairly decent functionality is becoming available at a much lower price point. The RC-50 is on such device. Or, look at the original Repeater. How much was that when originally released? I had one and can't remember the exact price but I thought it was around $500. Who knows what's going to come down the pike in a couple years at a $500.00 price point? Regards, Paul Richards ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:17 PM Subject: Looperlative pricing > Paul Richards wrote: > "The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for maybe > a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce them so we > can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. > > > Dear Paul, with all due respect, you seem to be uninformed about the > economics of the looping world. > > Zoom would never in a million years, by a product like the Looperlative > for a million bucks. They would lose there asses > in such a deal because not that many people even buy looping devices. > > At one point I made impassioned pleas to the people at Line 6 to put some > changes into their cheap floor model , the DL-4. > They said, "We sorry to tell you this, but we sell very few units of the > DL-4 to people who are specifically using it for looping. > Our market is for guitarists who use the delay modelling and the looping > is thrown in as an added bonus. We don't sell enough > to loopers to make it worthwhile adding, say MIDI syncing capabilities." > > It was an eye opener to me. Matthias Grob (inventor of the echoplex) > and his partner Kim Flint can tell you about the lack > of huge profit in selling a highly sophisticated looper. Bob Amstadt can > tell you the same thing. He's risked a lot of his family's finances > in an attempt to make this product and is the most non-elitist guy I could > ever introduce you to. > > ****************** > > You know something, if you take any serious musician................after > a while, they realize they want to buy a better axe to go along > with all their hard work getting better on an instrument. > > If you are serious about electric guitars, you are going to have spend > over a thousand dollars, by and large, to get a really good instrument. > Shit, if you are cellist or an acoustic bassist we are talking $5,000 to > $10,000 for a really good instrument. > > The looperlative is now, by far and away, the highest fidelity hardware > based live looper on the planet right now. > If you are serious about looping in your artistry, then you have to at > least consider it as an option in what you invest in. > > Anyone can buy one at list price for a year of payments of $120-125/month. > > Try to buy the best drumset in the world for that > price....................they'll laugh you out of the music store. > The same goes for an excellent acoustic guitar or electric. > > The fact of the matter is that there are inexpensive instruments (line 6 > DL-4, boss RC-20) and there are more sophisticated > and more expensive instruments (the Echoplex and the Looperlative). You > can buy software loopers that are fantastic > for much cheaper, but you have to have a $1500 laptop computer to run them > on. > This is just life. > > To derisively tell the so called looper elites to shut the hell up is not > only highly disrespectful but it also shows a woeful lack of knowledge on > your part. > > Please consider your remarks before you blast people on this list. This > community is heavily populated by those same people.........some of whom > happen to be world class artists without an elitist bone in their bodies. > > And please get your facts straight. > > signed, > > a person who makes very little money, living off his artistry and also > plays the cheapest and most expensive loopers on the market, > > Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 01:11:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C8E3BF35; Tue, 9 May 2006 01:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eYVEfzh6z4uCu43jzpwTsuCThBA7OenFEZVCp+E0cQFoQd2X7+zgi2hNKJSKEAPqKad4PVqiPVr+8aveRKEpXdqO03lJWXsroupy9z/YH35gLZ8toit2gSkjjO3AL5DxixcNZEivdwVRqxNwoEauBUJSgIl2cKITT+Fze+/DIM0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:11:24 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2250_1822942.1147137084774" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:11:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2250_1822942.1147137084774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline All the Max discussion is really getting my interest. I'm curious if anyone here has observations on the three branches on the "Max tree." I'm an old-time Max user, but I'm still balking at the price for the current Max/MSP release. There are two free Max variants: Pd is Miller's Puckett's (UCSD) max variant: http://puredata.info/ And then there's jMax from Ircam http://freesoftware.ircam.fr/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=3D14 I've played with both, and they both "work" on my windows machine, but I haven't done any real work with them. I'd love to hear from anyone who has experimented with the three and has an opinion. (and Bidule and EnergyXT, a= s well) -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_2250_1822942.1147137084774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline All the Max discussion is really getting my interest. I'm curious if anyone here has observations on the three branches on the "Max tree.&q= uot; I'm an old-time Max user, but I'm still balking at the price for the current Max/MSP release. There are two free Max variants: Pd is Miller's Puckett's (UCSD) max variant:
http://puredata.info/
And then there's jMax from Ircam
htt= p://freesoftware.ircam.fr/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=3D14

I've played with both, and they both "work" on my windows machine= , but I haven't done any real work with them. I'd love to hear from anyone who has experimented with the three and has an opinion. (and Bidule and EnergyXT, as well)
--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art= .simon.tripod.com
http:/= /www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_2250_1822942.1147137084774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 01:58:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D00713BF3F; Tue, 9 May 2006 01:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:58:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8b1t7D.A.EwC.Yd_XEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 01:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Latency is a very serious issue with both laptops and hardware loopers. I had to modify my Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay re-issue so that the "Dry" signal path was only passing through the analog circuitry, the latency was just maddening... The Electrix Repeater has a tremendous amount of latency in the "Dry Path", so I built a little mixer to pass the input signal and every time I power up the Repeater, I need to remember to press the key combination which mutes the dry signal path. I know that there are a number of interfaces which allow direct monitoring for zero latency, such as the Tascam 122, but if you expect to use anything in the computer to process the 'dry' signal, you will experience latency... >The lovely Jeff said about working with MAX/MSP on a laptop - >>>still loving it, and latency not bothering me at all. Particularly >>>since leaving the m-audio interface behind.....<< > >one of the major differences between your music and mine is that >your sound source is acoustic - so your relationship with latency is >going to be very different in that you're already dealing with two >separate sounds - the acoustic one and the processed one. A 7-10 >millisecond latency on that is going to be pretty hard to pick up, >I'd have thought... > >For me as a bassist, especially when playing percussively, I find >the disconnect that I feel when presented with that kind of latency >is just nasty. I could deal with it if I was using the direct >monitoring thing through the soundcard, but that would then mean >that I'd need an external processor as well, and would defeat the >point of using a laptop. :o) > >We're talking about tiny tiny latency margins here, and loads of >people are going to find that they don't notice them at all. For >those peoples, a laptop is a cool way to go, if they don't mind >having a laptop on stage etc. > >Gimme hardware any day of the week. Now if there was a hardware box >that'd run Max/MSP with the kind of undetectable latency that the >Looperlative is running (I think Bob said something silly like 0.3 >of a millisecond - and someone else said it was less than the time >it takes for an acoustic guitar signal to reach the ear of the >player... Don't quote me on that though... ;o) > >cheers! > >Steve >www.stevelawson.net - site >www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop >http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog >www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 02:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875D43BF3A; Tue, 9 May 2006 02:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.85.3.66] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative Observations Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 02:54:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 02:54:24.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0F4A4A0:01C67313] Resent-Message-ID: <_bThnC.A.b4E.hRAYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 02:54:25 +0000 (UTC) I believe everyone should eat a lot less sugar, treat yourself well and take a hot bath, go to bed early this evening. Imagine peace and safety all about you before you 'pull the plug". In the morning, write down your dreams when you get up. There could be some good material for some future musical endeavor. David Grego The Tuba Electric From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 03:08:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1B53BF47; Tue, 9 May 2006 03:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jb2dvPfDS6PJV0tH1RWOhIvMlfA7ulocRM8teGOpLCc00P+2WEo4NrX4dvuWeYXGMmsLIC9oXhWgikdYTYCqSBhqPsMuDNeHwTuy6XcEv7KzYMz7QywwuO8Q3PA7GB6zzlOp0PQdfNyR8x0131sat+wXsh/UtSMjUW6MMO0hSYg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:08:26 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Observations (and 1st post) In-Reply-To: <20060508235253.72249.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060508235253.72249.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3TRqlC.A.GYF.reAYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 03:08:27 +0000 (UTC) I would not mind hearing some more first impressions/opions and or audio clips from other on list LP1 users. On 5/8/06, rabbirabbifive wrote: > Hi all, I've been lurking here for a while. Since I am one of the > first 30 or so people w/ a looperlative and some, uh, controversy has > sprung up regarding it, I felt I should post. > > My way of looking at this is that you're buying a chance to be on the > ground floor of a product's development. Kinda like buying a modular > from some guy named Moog back in the 60's. It's a chance to help shape > something, rather than just getting a product off a shelf. OTOH you're > buying an unfinished product. I am OK with that, because it already > has enough functionality to be worth it for me. I also know from > experience that software engineering is never fast enough or bug-free > enough. That's the price you pay for being on the cutting edge. > Sometimes you bleed. If you bought it to do something it doesn't do > yet, based on Bob's rather vague pronouncements, and you need it to do > that RIGHT NOW, you will probably be dissapointed. I am not faulting > Bob here at all. He has to be vague; that's just the nature of the > beast. Stick with him and I think it will do everything he has sort of > promised it will do. It will just take time. As for when you can get > one for 599, probably never, unless Bob gets sick of all this and sells > out. Which I hope he never does. > > (If you do get sick of it all Bob, just open-source the code. You can > still build the boxes...just spitballing here). > > My Two Cents, > "Some Dude" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 04:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5BC3BF3E; Tue, 9 May 2006 04:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <420b68aa4b2c30da7a7309eff6c331a8@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:10:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 04:10:56 +0000 (UTC) On May 8, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > one of the major differences between your music and mine is that your=20= > sound source is acoustic - so your relationship with latency is going=20= > to be very different in that you're already dealing with two separate=20= > sounds - the acoustic one and the processed one. A 7-10 millisecond=20 > latency on that is going to be pretty hard to pick up, I'd have=20 > thought... All digital processing adds latency to a signal, some more than others,=20= better units add less....It is true that back-in-the-day (last year)=20 there was not tolerable latency, but firewire interfaces and fast=20 processors can bring total latencies down to a couple of milliseconds=20 depending on what you are running....again, with a good interface and=20 tightening up your buffers et al....I think the difference between .3=20 milliseconds (is that a hemi-semi-demi-second?) and 2 milliseconds, is,=20= as you say....very tiny.....2 milliseconds might be hard for even a=20 bass player to pick up.....let alone a trumpet player! But, you have to=20= pay for the machine....which is certainly more than a=20 Looperlative...but can you check your email on a looperlative...? :-) > We're talking about tiny tiny latency margins here, and loads of=20 > people are going to find that they don't notice them at all. For those=20= > peoples, a laptop is a cool way to go, if they don't mind having a=20 > laptop on stage etc. Well, yup, there are many (thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe=20 millions! Well maybe not that many) performing musicians on stage every=20= night with copies of Guitar Rig and big synth patches running on=20 laptops....all enjoying the light load-in and breeze of a set-up.... > Gimme hardware any day of the week. I say, "Vive la Difference!" (Anybody reading this: look for the duo recording of steve [bass,=20 looperlative] and me [quartertone tpt and max] coming soon to a website=20= near you....) best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 04:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362B13BF3E; Tue, 9 May 2006 04:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060508211110.01e6e818@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:12:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Jamie Lidell's Gear (Was: hoarding...) In-Reply-To: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> References: <1EA228E8-1C67-455D-838C-303D21B36A64@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 04:12:17 +0000 (UTC) At 02:17 PM 5/8/2006, Zoe wrote: >p.s. i saw an amazing looper at coachella. Jamie Lidell. i abused my >vip pass to get a look at his gear backstage, but the crew was too >speedy packing up. definately a mac involved and a sampler of some kind. For photos of Lidell's gear see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sanches/48316925/ Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 04:31:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1C43BF47; Tue, 9 May 2006 04:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060508212950.01f04b28@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:31:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: SPAM REPORT: Job Title: Shipping-receiving position In-Reply-To: References: <1Fd9N8-0005VU-5U@adsl-220-173-223.mob.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 04:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Well, they're definitely harvesting addresses from the archives. My spam has increased by a factor of four since I joined the list. Kim, could you obfuscate the email addresses a little bit in the archives? Spammers can harvest them right off the archives. Thanks, Kevin At 11:53 AM 5/8/2006, you wrote: >I spare myself from posting the complete message > >But is it common sense, that the loopers delight mailing list has >been underminded by spammers? > >Please let me know, > >Thanx much > >Jrp >P.s. I just had set up a new email adress only for this list.... And >I instantly got spam again. > > >------ Forwarded Message >From: "Monster" >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:18:14 -0500 >To: >Subject: Job Title: Shipping-receiving position > >Dear Monster.com member: > >We have a promotional job offer for you!! > >Job ID: 343392196 Job Title: Shipping-receiving position view >details <#about> > > >Quick Links: >About company <#about> Job Description <#description> Requirements ><#REQUIREMENTS> Other <#other> > > > ABOUT COMPANY >About us: >www.uhmcargo.net >UHM Cargo is the 6th largest shipper according to the number of >packages and shipments operated in 2003. Such spectacular growth has >been achieved internally through organic growth rather than through >acquisition or merger. >We believe in the importance of operating as independent carriers, >responding quickly to your needs with prompt, effective and global >solutions. With us you deal with a single, global and highly >specialized company which is able to provide the necessary answers >to all your particular transportation requirements. >We provide the best service on the market, always trying to combine >it with the minimal cost possible. >...... (and so on... jrp) > >__________ NOD32 1.1524 (20060508) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 06:17:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF8373BF44; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008401c67330$3d2ea790$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060508235253.72249.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative Observations (and 1st post) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:17:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 556, in=296401, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 06:17:28 +0000 (UTC) All the guitar work on these was done with the Looperlative, April 27 and April 29: http://www.box.net/public/r5upv26i16 http://www.box.net/public/vul7qrq18o Despite the fact that I just got a standalone laptop looping system up and runnnig, I'm still completely infactuated with the LP1, for the type of music I do. And I have total faith that Bob will continue to add new features that will make using it more and more excisting. At one performance, I had recorded layers of loops on 5 out of 8 of the LP1 tracks, and then I sat back and realized what an amazingly veratile musical tapestry it could turn into with some tweaking of the tracks and loops. I could have set my instrument down and played for hours, popping tracks in and out, reversing them, half speed, fading some out, etc. And I can't even begin to say how elated I am to have a single space stereo looping unit. I would have bought the LP1 just for that and half the features. ...I better go hook my LP1 up to the ethernet and get the latest software upates. I'm behind. Kris ----- Original Message ----- I would not mind hearing some more first impressions/opions and or audio clips from other on list LP1 users. On 5/8/06, rabbirabbifive wrote: > Hi all, I've been lurking here for a while. Since I am one of the > first 30 or so people w/ a looperlative and some, uh, controversy has > sprung up regarding it, I felt I should post. > > My way of looking at this is that you're buying a chance to be on the > ground floor of a product's development. Kinda like buying a modular > from some guy named Moog back in the 60's. It's a chance to help shape > something, rather than just getting a product off a shelf. OTOH you're > buying an unfinished product. I am OK with that, because it already > has enough functionality to be worth it for me. I also know from > experience that software engineering is never fast enough or bug-free > enough. That's the price you pay for being on the cutting edge. > Sometimes you bleed. If you bought it to do something it doesn't do > yet, based on Bob's rather vague pronouncements, and you need it to do > that RIGHT NOW, you will probably be dissapointed. I am not faulting > Bob here at all. He has to be vague; that's just the nature of the > beast. Stick with him and I think it will do everything he has sort of > promised it will do. It will just take time. As for when you can get > one for 599, probably never, unless Bob gets sick of all this and sells > out. Which I hope he never does. > > (If you do get sick of it all Bob, just open-source the code. You can > still build the boxes...just spitballing here). > > My Two Cents, > "Some Dude" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 06:37:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBB953BED2; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4460389F.5000808@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:37:19 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative price... References: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> In-Reply-To: <28377998.1147121184497.JavaMail.root@web29> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 06:37:20 +0000 (UTC) paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > The solution, then, is to turn the technology over to, uh, ZOOM for > maybe a cool million bucks, sell them for $599.99 then, mass produce > them so we can get the looper elites to shut the hell up. There is a contradiction you will never be able to come along with mass production: individual needs. When I compare the Max instruments I pull out for different musicians, I am always astonished how different they are. The reactions on the LP1 are as different as that. It does fit some of our pro's needs but not the need of every looper... A mass product has to fit the need of the mass...absolutely no space for individual adjustments (which would put the box back in the pricier range) my needs are different, they only partially are the same of other loopers, and the amount of people which actually could use such a beast as a LP1 is about the size of this list. Unless looping itself will become a mass musicians trend, no chance... The only thing I could imagine is a physical part of these boxes (a computer with converters) will turn into a mass product, and you would have access to it for example by programming plug-ins yourself. The receptor (http://www.museresearch.com/) and plugzilla (http://www.plugzilla.com/) aren't mass products yet, and more expensive than a LP1. But as far as I know there are rumors that the receptor runs pluggo plug-ins, which means I could turn a receptor into a looping machine with Max. But its too expensive... Needs to get down to below $ 600, don't forget you need to program it on top of it which translates to some sort of extra cost (There ain't no such thing as a free lunch ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 07:58:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE3F53BED8; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMLmX0SIdCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060509085602.01ad89a8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:58:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <20060508164257.B93C53BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060508164257.B93C53BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:58:46 +0000 (UTC) >I've considered building a magnum e-bow with more power, and perhaps >a larger channel, for my use with bass. >best, >Steve B Rhodri Davies (harp player) modded his ebow to take 2 batteries. He said that gave him more power. I wouldn't try it, because I'd be afraid the extra voltage would damage the circuitry, but his seemed to survive ok. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 08:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7C83BEA6; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMLmX0SIdCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060509085949.01b55710@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:10:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass In-Reply-To: <20060508164257.B93C53BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060508164257.B93C53BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) >>I was considering getting a bass guitar (again) for home recording >>purposes (and looping). I had a 4 string before that I used to add >>bass to my compositions. I was wondering if, for grins, if I should >>purchase a 5 string just to try out. Is there any compelling reason >>to get a 5 string? The extra low string only sounds good on those low notes. Really it's pushing the limits of string thickness for getting a good tone, ...and can sound a bit flabby if you try to use it higher up the neck. ...but there's always the option to put on a high C string instead. That extends the playability rather nicely, especially if you're looping, as it can help a melodic line to stand out over the loop. Have to admit though, when I played my 6 stringer with a band last I don't think I touched the 2 extra strings at all. andy butler ( who was a bass player before being a guitar looper) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 09:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 249A33BEC1; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4460623D.7010505@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:34:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hoarding... References: <357316.1147125964479.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <545553CA-AA93-48BB-94D6-19ABB9ADDC69@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <545553CA-AA93-48BB-94D6-19ABB9ADDC69@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > wow. it was pretty impressive. punchy, quick cut. there was no way he > was using a mouse though. All my interface design in Max patches is about getting rid of the mouse, its good if you don't ever even think of using the mouse live... My main input device was an ancient MixTAB from Fostex, now its a Pocket Fader and a Pocket Dial from Doepfer. Other gear is a little (very transportable) Yamaha CBX-K1 mini keyboard and the cheap Yamaha DD-11 drumpads (never used the sounds, found it on a flea market). As I remember from the video of Lidell, he was using heavy video processing as well, you can even use a video camera as a controller, if you'd play with an orange glove for example, it would be very easy to track your hand movement. I guess its even possible without a glove. There is software out which will track your mouth movement, it will be able to distinguish an "o" from a closed mouth or from an "a". Though for timecritical controls there is nothing which can beat a simple footswitch. A video at a framerate of 25 or 30 images per second is way too slow... And regarding Lidell's show, you don't know if there are more musicians behind the curtains which do some extra control... And regarding your original "hoarding" post, I happily add my "Delaysequencer" Max patch to your collection, though I doubt that its of any use for you (as it needs to be played with faders and knobs and has no documentation at all), but it would certainly be fun to let you play through it while I control it... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 12:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95BE83BECA; Tue, 9 May 2006 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:36:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists #474 and 475 for April 27 and May 4, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44608CD4.8020108@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:37:07 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060427.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060504.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #474 April 27, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Sequences electronic music magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the CD that came with issue #31. The Vinyl Starter was "Deluxe" by Harmonia on Brain Records and released in 1975. Sequences - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#apr PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Harmonia Gollum Deluxe (Brain) Binar Out of Skinner's Box Spindragons (Ricochet Dream) Steve Jolliffe Meadow Run Poland (Ricochet Dream) VA [Pure Gamma] Between Dreams The Gatherings (CIMA of PA) VA [Pure Gamma] Crystal Window The Gatherings (CIMA of PA) Thomas Fanger Vanilla Crush Parlz-vous electronique? (Manikin) VA [Indra] True Heart Sequences No. 31 (emma) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [Masami Asahina] Sky Begins Sequences No. 31 (emma) VA [Alpha Wave The Prophets Temple Sequences No. 31 (emma) Movement] VA ['ramp] Ozone Sequences No. 31 (emma) VA [Stephen Parsick] Der Barde Sequences No. 31 (emma) VA [Volt] Photonic Sequences No. 31 (emma) VA [Kelvin Smith] Time Stands Still Sequences No. 31 (emma) VA [Ian Boddy] The Helicon VI Sequences No. 31 (emma) VA [Synthetik] Virtual Faces * Sequences No. 31 (emma) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist ===== Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #475 May 4, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Bruno Sanfilippo. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Visualia" on Neuronium Records. The Vinyl Starter was "Silk Road" by Kitaro on Kuckuck Records and released in 1981. Bruno Sanfilippo - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Kitaro Heavenly Father Silk Road (Kuckuck) Rainbow Serpent Mindmachine The 8th Nerve (Manikin) Steve Jolliffe Komarno * Poland (Ricochet Dream) Brian McBride Stringer To Light Feed When the Detail Lost Its Freedom Frenzy (Kranky) Saul Stokes Gliders Vast (The Foundry) Thought Guild Elliptical Orbit Continuum (HRR) Shalmaneser Power Everything Feature Wars (Doubtful Palace) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia I Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia II Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia III Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia IV Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia V Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia VI Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia VII Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia VIII Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia IX Visualia (Neuronium) Bruno Sanfilippo Visualia X Visualia (Neuronium) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Bruno Sanfilippo. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Solemnis" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the sountrack LP "The Jupiter Menace" by Synergy on Passport Records and released in 1982. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 13:05:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448F43BED2; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M8QQ7JGIVfxMT6M5t90XfGzN2wIKKYq/E/e6TJ9UkdzqM5EcbD4IjRZl/rkfNqZBYqPo7cjGt/OK8bUZ7YrNmkxUXgTod+HP2IqLOWp4ruVmH7jTXo5incjFGQblmHOmJjewxkUla4yOH7/J9l2phUggffzgl/dBRMnGKy7LFGc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060508213255.36419.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060508213255.36419.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <63E6AF37-D10D-485D-A0FC-9B1A7AF37F7D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: cheap looping? Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:05:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <3UqXvD.A.jVH.YOJYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:05:28 +0000 (UTC) On 8 maj 2006, at 23.32, mark sottilaro wrote: > What you do gain from a laptop is flexability and > portability. ...and a (usually) faster development of the looping software, compared to the upgrade speed of dedicated hardware looping systems. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 13:19:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8DFF3BEC5; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TR5lel7S0oirCwGGB/fDZVtHiNaqm6S+piBnA98YwFiMowOX6ndrXeNShzOQFjj8GLJ2HsO5Wsa4SsJb3bSqu3T9rMleUd1qLFTbbI41agLVL+khZDRMBEAEalwRU13TfDpHG7wOHJBkh9escJ+dlp+egh3aU8wZMuyrde8odRU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98ADD088-7597-40BE-BBC9-16BEAEDA4600@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:19:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:19:24 +0000 (UTC) On 9 maj 2006, at 02.32, Steve Lawson wrote: > The lovely Jeff said about working with MAX/MSP on a laptop - > >>still loving it, and latency not bothering me at all. > Particularly since leaving the m-audio interface behind.....<< > > one of the major differences between your music and mine is that > your sound source is acoustic - so your relationship with latency > is going to be very different in that you're already dealing with > two separate sounds - the acoustic one and the processed one. A > 7-10 millisecond latency on that is going to be pretty hard to pick > up, I'd have thought... > > For me as a bassist, especially when playing percussively, I find > the disconnect that I feel when presented with that kind of latency > is just nasty. I could deal with it if I was using the direct > monitoring thing through the soundcard, but that would then mean > that I'd need an external processor as well, and would defeat the > point of using a laptop. :o) I agree with Steve here that latency is a universal no-no. I can deal with latency if I'm playing with a drummer on a big stage, but only if I have the drums are taken out of the stage monitoring system OR turned up so loud that I don't hear the drums acoustically. That kind of musical latency I can adjust to because it is the same all the time. But I can not adapt to the latency of computer software monitoring. My way of dealing with this when using a laptop for looping is simple: I never play my instrument through the laptop. I bypass it and play directly out through the PA, while splitting the signal and sending one part into the software looper. With Mobius this is easy because you can turn off the "audio through-put", so the only sound that is coming out of the laptop is what I have looped - and Mobius does correct the loops for the latency so it will loop back exactly as I played it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 13:30:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83DDC3BED9; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ff01c6736c$c2a89c50$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> <98ADD088-7597-40BE-BBC9-16BEAEDA4600@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:30:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 557, in=296488, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3es2AD.A.cS.CmJYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:30:42 +0000 (UTC) There is another method of dealing with the latency - I've done it on my notebook systems before, though with my Indigo IO and Creative Labs Audigy systems, I don't have any latency that annoys me - which is that on some soundcards you can open up a direct through signal that is sort of like going from your input directly to the output. It's like a dry signal on a board or signal processor, bi-passing the sound driver. Then you can add your Mobius or VST effect signal to that. Not all systems have this capability, but it's worth checking out. The other reason why I don't do this now, aside from not having any latency issues, is that some of my VST effects need no dry signal mixed into their output...they need to be completely wet for me to get what I want from them. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... > On 9 maj 2006, at 02.32, Steve Lawson wrote: > >> The lovely Jeff said about working with MAX/MSP on a laptop - >> >>still loving it, and latency not bothering me at all. >> Particularly since leaving the m-audio interface behind.....<< >> >> one of the major differences between your music and mine is that your >> sound source is acoustic - so your relationship with latency is going to >> be very different in that you're already dealing with two separate >> sounds - the acoustic one and the processed one. A 7-10 millisecond >> latency on that is going to be pretty hard to pick up, I'd have >> thought... >> >> For me as a bassist, especially when playing percussively, I find the >> disconnect that I feel when presented with that kind of latency is just >> nasty. I could deal with it if I was using the direct monitoring thing >> through the soundcard, but that would then mean that I'd need an >> external processor as well, and would defeat the point of using a >> laptop. :o) > > > I agree with Steve here that latency is a universal no-no. I can deal > with latency if I'm playing with a drummer on a big stage, but only if I > have the drums are taken out of the stage monitoring system OR turned up > so loud that I don't hear the drums acoustically. That kind of musical > latency I can adjust to because it is the same all the time. But I can > not adapt to the latency of computer software monitoring. > > My way of dealing with this when using a laptop for looping is simple: I > never play my instrument through the laptop. I bypass it and play > directly out through the PA, while splitting the signal and sending one > part into the software looper. With Mobius this is easy because you can > turn off the "audio through-put", so the only sound that is coming out of > the laptop is what I have looped - and Mobius does correct the loops for > the latency so it will loop back exactly as I played it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 13:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D2E3BEB6; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060509085602.01ad89a8@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20060508164257.B93C53BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060509085602.01ad89a8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 9 May 2006, a k butler wrote: > Steve B wrote: >> I've considered building a magnum e-bow with more power, and perhaps a >> larger channel, for my use with bass. > > Rhodri Davies (harp player) modded his ebow to take 2 batteries. > He said that gave him more power. > > I wouldn't try it, because I'd be afraid the extra voltage would damage the > circuitry, but his seemed to survive ok. Thanks for the report that that seemed to make a difference - I have a spare E-Bow and might try that sometime, that'd be easy to do. Thanks! Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.susbscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 13:57:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083123BECD; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <79E1CBF5-6BD8-44E2-A063-083D41CA4E5C@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: 4/5/6 string bass Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:57:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:57:42 +0000 (UTC) >>The extra low string only sounds good on those low notes. Really it's pushing the limits of string thickness for getting a good tone, ...and can sound a bit flabby if you try to use it higher up the neck.<< ...unless you get a good one, but as we all know now, spending more than $599 on any piece of gear turns you into an elitist. ;o) I've got two Modulus six string basses, where all the strings are useable across the whole range... If your strings sound crap, try a lighter guage on the bottom and a slightly heavier one on the top... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 14:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331BA3BEC1; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4460A3BC.80100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:14:20 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... References: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> <98ADD088-7597-40BE-BBC9-16BEAEDA4600@gmail.com> <00ff01c6736c$c2a89c50$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00ff01c6736c$c2a89c50$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > There is another method of dealing with the latency - I've done it on > my notebook systems before, though with my Indigo IO and Creative Labs > Audigy systems, I don't have any latency that annoys me - which is that > on some soundcards you can open up a direct through signal that is sort > of like going from your input directly to the output. It's like a dry > signal on a board or signal processor, bi-passing the sound driver. Then > you can add your Mobius or VST effect signal to that. Not all systems > have this capability All systems that use a mixer, surely? andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 14:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66EC23BEDC; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012601c67373$89434bc0$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <3BE335A3-ECAE-46F4-812B-202FE25A7DFF@steve-lawson.co.uk> <98ADD088-7597-40BE-BBC9-16BEAEDA4600@gmail.com> <00ff01c6736c$c2a89c50$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4460A3BC.80100@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Laptops and Latency... Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:19:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 555, in=292368, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes, true...I was referring to computer systems. K- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> There is another method of dealing with the latency - I've done it on my >> notebook systems before, though with my Indigo IO and Creative Labs >> Audigy systems, I don't have any latency that annoys me - which is that >> on some soundcards you can open up a direct through signal that is sort >> of like going from your input directly to the output. It's like a dry >> signal on a board or signal processor, bi-passing the sound driver. Then >> you can add your Mobius or VST effect signal to that. Not all systems >> have this capability > All systems that use a mixer, surely? > > andreas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 16:58:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6AFF3BECA; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DPaCb/gfh+bQaNwT8I6WlLH9tSGKWf4ZNoAtIY6MAVxcb8+owPeMsZhNtA+4fUJ4; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <15294084.1147193894150.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:58:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: something to hold the rack onstage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402e7eca38a67f25751ce03820c220ce7c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Hey Gang! I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good cost-effective stand that could hold my 4-up rack roughly chest-high (I'm 6'). I did not see anything online and the Tools of the Trade page understandably does not cover it. Thanks, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 19:35:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44B1B3BECD; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1329.212.205.234.68.1147203310.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:35:10 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 19:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone! The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper was delivered to me recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a small review for anyone interested in this new looper. The 2880 is well designed and well build, with quality knobs, pots and faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected and this is a plus, at least for me. This is a user friendly machine - especially those who are familiar with any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel at home right away. It is great to have faders and pan pots for each track/loop and control these parameters in real time. The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, no hiss, no artifacts, no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom before clipping and they sound good with various sources. The converter sounds nice - no cheap digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and clear and the faders have that nice feel you expect when you need to do smooth fade ins/outs, small changes or big moves. Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple mono or stereo loops can be recorded of four different tracks and you are free to mix everything down to a stereo track to have the other ones available for additional work. You can move the faders and pan pots during mixdown and everything will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you hear it. You can also record onto the mixdown track as many times as you like and keep the previous stuff there, too. Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the octave button and you are also free to do bends up and down with the tempo slider. The reverse feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can be active at the same time. Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very simple steps to follow. If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, there are no problems at all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, the 2880 becomes an instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated looper machine out there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I suggest you spend the additional money to get the foot controller too, because it really makes live work easier and more fluid. You can't do everything on the fly without the controller, except if both of your hands are free. Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync succesfully to a sequencer or a drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, simple and effective. A metronome with its own level knob is also included. It sounds like the clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake plastic snare here. This click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to assist the performer, but it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The metronome is output through the headphones jack, allowing for further dub style processing. ;-) The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will appreciate this. You can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact flash card is displayed as an external hard drive. The files are the standard .wav and can be easily moved, for backup or further process. Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the control and the power to do things as fluidly as possible. Feel free to ask questions. :-) Greetings from Athens Costas http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 20:13:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8350A3BEC5; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: bass tunings Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:13:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c673a5$126cb4f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZy5rmv0POBAe4ITYuwZTpvP1pltAAvXwIw In-Reply-To: <913728d60605081431h4667ad0elf147253cf70acbef@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:13:49 +0000 (UTC) If you go to moinlabs.de, and then follow Moinlabs->MoinSound->MoinSound Archives->rtbs solo, you'll find some tunes under the "SAUBER!" and "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" header, where all string instruments (and = in the latter case, some of the stuff which sounds like a synth) is that = very bass, although on the SAUBER! album, it was still tuned one step higher = if I remember correctly. > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Montag, 8. Mai 2006 23:31 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: bass tunings >=20 > I'd like to hear some songs where you use that tuning...that=20 > is really low! The weirdest bass tuning i've ever encountered=20 > (other than any of Michael Manrings crazy 100 different=20 > tunings per song tunings) was in fifths, like a standard bass=20 > only upside down (like a violin right?) and that was pretty=20 > wild...Another cool tuning i like is the one that a cool bass=20 > player named Jauqo III-X uses and that is C#, F#, B, and E,=20 > from low to high...and yes, that E is equal to the low E that=20 > bass players are used to :) if anyone ever finds the brown=20 > sound, it'll be Jauqo :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 20:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A693BECC; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:27:46 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for April, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4460FB42.10303@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/top20apr.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for April, 2006. Shows #471 to #474; 2-April-2006 to 30-April-2006 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Binar - Spindragons - Ricochet Dream Brannan Lane - Answer the Sky - Ambient Circle Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder - Live @ Dorfkirche Relepen - Manikin Create - Reflections from the Inner Light - Groove Detlef Keller - Harmonic Steps - Manikin Jonathan Badger - Metasonic - High Horse Klaus Schulze - Moondawn - Revisited Palancar - Diminishing Light - Blue Water Palancar - Precis - Blue Water Paul Ellis - Silent Conversations - Groove Robert Rich - Bestiary - Release Robert Rich - Electric Ladder - Soundscape Saul Stokes - Vast - Foundry Steve Jolliffe - Poland - Ricochet Dream Thomas Fanger - Parlz-vous electronique? - Manikin Various Artists - Sequences No. 28 - emma Various Artists - Sequences No. 29 - emma Various Artists - Sequences No. 30 - emma Various Artists - Sequences No. 31 - emma Various Artists - The Gatherings - CIMA of PA Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 21:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83703BECA; Tue, 9 May 2006 21:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dxZsfCfr3qk7zpEv2sflv/uwg4Ef8e48nFbqgWMamKonA3tJdaRVmD+2+BcupNqf6Bi55vAnezcL8wOXN0sFbFUj6c2r9Wr8eCk7varUGQ6ikhgomiVIPdEYWu0RceK9ySLfZHQH6Gu0hFeEIZG4D+Q57e4f4QPltoF3VhBFyQo= ; Message-ID: <20060509213514.94388.qmail@web60315.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Looperlative 1st report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:35:15 +0000 (UTC) I started with a MoFx (delay capture), than an EDP. Great box. But I wanted to be able to take layers out of the middle of the stack of sounds, w/o disturbing the more recent layers. Kinda impossible on the EDP without buying a whole rack full of them. So, I tried Mobius on a laptop. Ugh. Latency, weird little crackles in the audio (not Mobius's fault there), the hassle of setting up a fragile laptop + Pcmcia card + dangling cables + interface box + booting up and mouseing around + latency issues + audio routing issues...vs. a dedicated rackspace box, no contest. So I waited a few months and spent money I didn't really have on the Looperlative. It solved a problem. If I was just looking at it and thinking, what will this thing do for me that X doesn't, I probably would have waited until I could try it out and until most of the bugs were killed. Expensive? Yes. Worth it? Absolutely...if you know why you're buying it. Other observations- There are no "momentary" (only happens while the switch is held down) actions on the Looperlative. Everything is two actions, one to switch on, one to switch off. A Record w/o overdub is 3 actions- On, Off (goes into overdub) and Off again (to turn off overdub). This makes me think that Bob and the early testers were not trying to push the box to its fullest extent. A quick browse through Steve Lawson's sound samples with the box confirms this notion for me- all his stuff is polite, with discrete loops played at deliberate tempos. Not much stress on the Looperlative. I'm not knocking his playing, but I wonder how many weird bugs are going to pop up when people really start exploiting the box. Will it stand up to hardcore slice and dice manuvers ala David Torn or Andre La Fosse? (And why the hell don't they have one?) Stay tuned... My Two Cents, "Some Dude" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 21:39:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1063BEC5; Tue, 9 May 2006 21:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44610C1B.5010105@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:39:39 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax References: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > I'd love to hear from anyone who has experimented with the three and > has an opinion. Well, the most advanced is Max, and the developement is rapid. Pd is heading quit fast as well, both communities are strong and will give you any help you need (its very important). I don't know what version of Max you got, I'd say its worth the upgrade price. If its a pretty old version, Pd might be close to that now. Main difference is UI objects, which are way more advanced in Max. In general you can do anything with both. Certainly looping software. jMax died recently and the better parts of it have been put into FTM which is a library for Max, and since shortly also for Pd. Though jMax is open source, I don't think anybody is developing it any further... If you can't afford Max, get into Pd... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 22:47:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20A003BED5; Tue, 9 May 2006 22:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dtNUEE0T3JdUzdbfCe2BuS9Z7QM34jRNF6mHxYCsQly4EeJ7A5qDDNOYIiXjkbuhAZShz2EsQlzuDxn8kKF0xmr+uLTMk9Nu5A2gZEn1xMplOCwdTHJTzLfq0w4wV5iic72+FAoKOeZ4OA2bZmjQR9hbBfobI/plPRCgLdM9//M= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:47:37 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax In-Reply-To: <44610C1B.5010105@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> <44610C1B.5010105@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <8dHSGB.A.gZC.MwRYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:47:46 +0000 (UTC) If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to study or modify into your own thing? thanks. On 5/9/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Art Simon wrote: > > I'd love to hear from anyone who has experimented with the three and > > has an opinion. > > Well, the most advanced is Max, and the developement is rapid. Pd is > heading quit fast as well, both communities are strong and will give you > any help you need (its very important). I don't know what version of Max > you got, I'd say its worth the upgrade price. If its a pretty old > version, Pd might be close to that now. Main difference is UI objects, > which are way more advanced in Max. In general you can do anything with > both. Certainly looping software. > > jMax died recently and the better parts of it have been put into FTM > which is a library for Max, and since shortly also for Pd. Though jMax > is open source, I don't think anybody is developing it any further... > > If you can't afford Max, get into Pd... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 23:38:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9F493BED2; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fqJ2w2LysHuopN0iz4gFuYxfOFdVOOGPbkRyCnDx7Gn7l/LAib/7KpYioDU3H0lqjp6Jdlozx7i1UdmdXAmCJTae6AC9wBD2McqMJdQmdTgzDZSvOy5p956oCTtBZDnLbemV1rv3FM6BiDoKc+fJdehFE0n9Vh9/OObDtX07s1M= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605091638i67ed4b5fm22a26ce1fb5791e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:38:37 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> <44610C1B.5010105@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Stefan for the informed reply--I appreciate it. I haven't used Max since V. 2 or 2.5, so it's been a long time. On 5/9/06, mark t wrote: > If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to > study or modify into your own thing? thanks. Sounds like PD. I messed with AudioMulch for awhile, but I didn't like the limited midi processing (maybe I missed something). Bidule lets you go to a pretty low level, but I haven't spent much time with it. Another idea I've had is writing your own custom VST loopers in SynthEdit. Elottronix shows it is at least possible. Of all the possibilities, it seems only PD is free. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 9 23:57:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAAA13BEE1; Tue, 9 May 2006 23:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rpIZ3cArhbI2HPbrU6nBirwoxCqKkVFQZC8ei9CvpjsEdOZLZHKOYkgfGUzhExXfRqUWT+kplzjkYVdGCN4ysG9GsL2v/aGa98qP3qOkejZSk8GEu3wbcDnjdRSu07DkAl+Bl3LRdRYfJB2gmgFdixcjsxTZLDUjBcAIplzCz0E= ; Message-ID: <20060509235719.20191.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060509213514.94388.qmail@web60315.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:57:20 +0000 (UTC) --- rabbirabbifive wrote: >I'm > not knocking his > playing, but I wonder how many weird bugs are going > to pop up when > people really start exploiting the box. I think it's not even a matter of "bugs" (though they do exist in almost all software driven boxes) but more a matter of an unfinished feature set. The Looperlative's brilliance is that it *was made* for Steve Lawson, Bob Amstadt and Rick Walker. If you're looping like one of them it's a perfect machine. Perhaps it's perfect for you too. I know I'm the odd man out here as I think there are only a few of us who are angry at the way it functions in regard to switching tracks while synced. I'm only considering abandoning the Looperlative because I honestly don't think enough of us want this functionality that it is worth Bob's time to add it. Silly to change your design for a tiny group of users. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 00:49:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B793BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060509235719.20191.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060509235719.20191.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:49:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ken.H" Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1064900299==_ma============" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: <9qYEPC.A.siG.2iTYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:49:59 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1064900299==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Mark, Bob has the following on his Forum topic for improvements to the Looperlative: >Top items on my software task list: > > * Multitrack synchronization issues including multitrack MIDI >sync issues. Specifically, > this would address start/stop problems. > * Add software support for auxilliary outputs. > * Ability to reprogram LP1 software memory via MIDI if an >upgrade fails to install correctly. > * Support for per track feedback and volume knobs or sliders. > * Single level undo or cancel. >_________________ >Bob Amstadt >Looperlative Audio Products So, it sounds like he's working on the MIDI sync issues. Just make sure that he understands what you're trying to do, and he'll probably at least _try_ to make sure your concerns are addressed. Even if you move on from using the Looperlative it will help those who follow. Like me! I plan to use Logic and my trusty E-mu PX-7 with the Looperlative, and then I'll be the squeaky wheel. So you're not alone in wanting MIDI sync (as you've described) to work well. Not at all. Mark said: > > >I'm only considering abandoning the Looperlative >because I honestly don't think enough of us want this >functionality that it is worth Bob's time to add it. >Silly to change your design for a tiny group of users. > >Mark But Mark, that's the beauty of the situation. We're in on the ground floor, where your voice carries extra weight. Now is the time to work with Bob to get what you want. Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are worthwhile? If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% of the installed user base! (until the June batch ships, then we'll be about 8%). Ken --============_-1064900299==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Looperlative 1st report

Hi Mark,

Bob has the following on his Forum topic for improvements to the Looperlative:

Top items on my software task list:

    * Multitrack synchronization issues including multitrack MIDI sync issues. Specifically,
         this would address start/stop problems.
    * Add software support for auxilliary outputs.
    * Ability to reprogram LP1 software memory via MIDI if an upgrade fails to install correctly.
    * Support for per track feedback and volume knobs or sliders.
    * Single level undo or cancel.
_________________
Bob Amstadt
Looperlative Audio Products

So, it sounds like he's working on the MIDI sync issues.  Just make sure that he understands what you're trying to do, and he'll probably at least _try_ to make sure your concerns are addressed.  Even if you move on from using the Looperlative it will help those who follow.  Like me!  I plan to use Logic and my trusty E-mu PX-7 with the Looperlative, and then I'll be the squeaky wheel.  So you're not alone in wanting MIDI sync (as you've described) to work well.  Not at all.

Mark said:

<trimmed>
I'm only considering abandoning the Looperlative
because I honestly don't think enough of us want this
functionality that it is worth Bob's time to add it.
Silly to change your design for a tiny group of users.

Mark

But Mark, that's the beauty of the situation.  We're in on the ground floor, where your voice carries extra weight.  Now is the time to work with Bob to get what you want.

Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are worthwhile?  If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% of the installed user base!  (until the June batch ships, then we'll be about 8%).

Ken

--============_-1064900299==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 02:45:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A11A33BEC5; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nmSttIwso+bZwag/oKL28t8BVI0G00zKOudtZNM3BjTLq6IMnAbY5tUg8RMu7SyuGtcDCDSY6v8/D6vshT/tDvHC4BM7UGI9BFLOcOmD8ljyTrXUpEjU0AeGwYJqsBzjN0VZwVUI5D0810TI46wGAOphRJ+VWYqfKHP9dXQhtyk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:45:36 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GI-20 and 13 pin noise! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:45:37 +0000 (UTC) What the hell! When I plug the into my GI-20 I am now noticing a large amount of noise introduced into my guitar signal! What is up!=20 I just got the guitar (Godin LGXT) and GI-20 last week! What gives.=20 I dont get it cause midi is data should be no noise. Anyone got any ideas??? I think it might be the cable. Is this possible. I just dont know what else is up. If I plug the guitar into my amp all is fine....if I plus the GK cable into my guitar all is fine....if I than plug the other end of that cable into the GI-20 all this noise appears! What is going on!!!!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 03:03:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6887A3BEB3; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mov5/ddAdmUTiBp8ICiRcQDoY3oBe0fnNHh/ztWlifOAYcFntmUedJKXnwd6lguY; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31601478.1147230179369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:02:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: GI-20 and 13 pin noise! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9406585fc3a3b443161fd273a388e8b9aab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Try having the 13 pin cable already plugged into the GI-20 and having it connected to the rest of the rig as previously described. Then, plug the 13 pin cable into the Godin LGXT and try playing. I know this doesn't sound like much of a change in the order of things. But I play the same guitar through a GR-33 and I've always done it this way and never had a noise problem. There's been a slight compression problem when taking the signal from the GR-33 into the amp. But that might be another kettle of fish. Also, try checking the 13 pin connection at the guitar and making sure that it is "locking" in securely. One of my LGXT's has had this problem from day one. Tell us how it works. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: mark t >Sent: May 9, 2006 10:45 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: GI-20 and 13 pin noise! > >What the hell! When I plug the into my GI-20 I am now noticing a >large amount of noise introduced into my guitar signal! What is up! >I just got the guitar (Godin LGXT) and GI-20 last week! What gives. >I dont get it cause midi is data should be no noise. Anyone got any >ideas??? I think it might be the cable. Is this possible. I just >dont know what else is up. If I plug the guitar into my amp all is >fine....if I plus the GK cable into my guitar all is fine....if I than >plug the other end of that cable into the GI-20 all this noise >appears! What is going on!!!!!!!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 03:35:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C0953BECD; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: <005101c673e2$b9145b40$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZz3myLnP4M60AKSmexd04y2JYqHQAArVQw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:35:01 +0000 (UTC) What about Synthedit? http://www.synthedit.com/ It's basically a VST effect/instrument creation tool. But, you can write your own C modules to do whatever you want. There's a decent SE community, but unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of egos and childish behavior on the lists. But, there are some great people who help and Jeff (the creator) is always willing to answer questions. The Crystal synth http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html and Elogoxa's Elotronix looper http://www.elogoxa.net/ were done with SE. Tony -----Original Message----- From: mark t [mailto:aleatoric12@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to study or modify into your own thing? thanks. On 5/9/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Art Simon wrote: > > I'd love to hear from anyone who has experimented with the three and > > has an opinion. > > Well, the most advanced is Max, and the developement is rapid. Pd is > heading quit fast as well, both communities are strong and will give you > any help you need (its very important). I don't know what version of Max > you got, I'd say its worth the upgrade price. If its a pretty old > version, Pd might be close to that now. Main difference is UI objects, > which are way more advanced in Max. In general you can do anything with > both. Certainly looping software. > > jMax died recently and the better parts of it have been put into FTM > which is a library for Max, and since shortly also for Pd. Though jMax > is open source, I don't think anybody is developing it any further... > > If you can't afford Max, get into Pd... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 03:40:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA6A3BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:44:23 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: E-bow question In-Reply-To: <410-220065181826630@earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <410-220065181826630@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 7 May 2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some avant cat in Signal to > Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs. Tim, thanks for mentioning this: inspired by the above, I took a Remo spring drum http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002GFS3G/ held it suspended by the end of the spring, then applied the E-Bow just below my hand, bending the spring across the channel of the E-Bow with very little pressure: just enough for the bottom end of the E-Bow channel to act as a bridge for the spring. The result was a minimal-attack moan as the vibrating spring shook the spring drum head, reminiscent of the wind sounds in the planet landing sequence of Ridley Scott's _Alien_. Very cool, thanks. Oh, and Andy: best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 03:45:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791D13BED9; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060509085602.01ad89a8@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20060508164257.B93C53BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060509085602.01ad89a8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <0KFb7C.A.PRF.rHWYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:45:48 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 9 May 2006, a k butler wrote: > Rhodri Davies (harp player) modded his ebow to take 2 batteries. > He said that gave him more power. > > I wouldn't try it, because I'd be afraid the extra voltage would damage the > circuitry, > but his seemed to survive ok. Andy, I gave this a try tonight: took a spare 9v cap and daisy-chained a 2nd 9v onto the first pickup. I think the second battery gave a larger "sweet spot" of usage, indicating a larger field, and a faster attack on even electric upright bass strings (could be a result of a larger area field not requiring as finicky positioning, stronger effect, or both), but I didn't run any quantitative A-B tests to measure precisely. But it seemed to work well, at least for the few minutes I tried it, and the E-Bow apparently suffered no ill effects. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 03:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2A273BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bLEqkKZejy59IpyJ2DbCelXl8qNtMAk2uKoDZbSetIxPdJHam246R7L7BQKKdfqGnG1dgwoLFnX+CtyeUy6sD7udFk6u+zKyDiVjzNHtdkbKsc29CWskr8WzwBf5RUfpsDlviVtvTZdHGTd4tvCzj3Z4tJQDephct5eFS1Z7LP8= ; Message-ID: <20060510035554.14206.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 05:55:53 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: E-bow sound To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1353290256-1147233353=:13448" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:55:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-1353290256-1147233353=:13448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.runefagereng.com/the_bow.mp3 Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1353290256-1147233353=:13448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1353290256-1147233353=:13448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 03:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DC673BED3; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <034c01c673e5$eda61f30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: looperlative pricing Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:57:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Dear Paul, you just wrote: "You have to admit, there are a LOT of pompous folks on this board. And, they like to shut one up and can be disrespectful as well............In fact, you're doing the exact same thing........You made comments about I don't know anything about looping." Again, with all due respect (and I'm not saying that with an ounce of sarcasm), If you are going to take me to task for my criticism of your letter, the please be accurate in your your quoting of me. I never once said that you don't know anything about looping, nor would I ever. I don't even know you and would never criticize someone's knowledge of something without something to back it up. In fact I would never criticize you for any aspect of your looping. Ask around. It's not in my character. I said this specifically about your letter: "Dear Paul, with all due respect, you seem to be uninformed about the economics of the looping world." I even was careful to use the word 'seem' so as not to make an assumption about your experience. Your comments still make me think that you may not understand the economics of the live looping hardware business, which of course, has nothing to do with what equipment you've owned, how much experience you have as a musician or a live looper. I'd actually love to hear what you are doing in your own looping work and furthermore, would like to invite you to come play this year's Y2K6 Festival in Santa Cruz in October if that's something that you can swing (and also something that sounds fun to you). What I did intend to convey is that I think it is important in a small community like ours to try to take the high road and try to show the respect that we wish to recieve from other people. To be openly disdainful of people on this list in public and not even to mention them specifically is just not productive and worse, can be hurtful, in my opinion. I know the people you were criticizing very well (and I assume, more intimately than you do) and I know that they are not pompous and arrogant elitists. I felt like you were making assumptions about both the economics of the live looping business and the attitudes of the people you were criticizing that I believe to be false. We can talk about it if we dont' agree and we don't have to get personal about it at all. There's room for all kinds of opinions in this community..................afterall we are high tech loopers, low tech loopers, wealthy loopers and poor loopers playing every concievable style of music so we're going to have a lot of disagreements. I meant no disrespect to you at all and I look forward to your reactions to this continuing discussion. yours, in friendship and in the spirit of looping, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 04:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB923BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 04:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> <44610C1B.5010105@addcom.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--723199190 Message-Id: From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:26:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:26:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--723199190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On May 9, 2006, at 6:47 PM, mark t wrote: > If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to > study or modify into your own thing? thanks. check out klaus filips "lloopp" - it's a beautifully flexible and well supported live performance environment built with max, and free to boot. you might even be able to run it in the max runtime app and not have to spring for full on max, but i'm not sure about that. go to: http://lloopp.klingt.org/start.html cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-10--723199190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On May 9, 2006, at = 6:47 PM, mark t wrote:

If you can afford max are = there any looping enviorments out there to

study or modify into your own = thing?=A0 = thanks.


check out klaus filips = "lloopp" - it's a beautifully flexible and well
supported live = performance environment built with max, and
free to boot. you = might even be able to run it in the max runtime
app and not = have to spring for full on max, but i'm not sure about
cheers
bruce

bruce tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Reality is whatever refuses = to go away when I stop believing in it.."

Philip K. Dick

=

= --Apple-Mail-10--723199190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 04:34:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B373BECD; Wed, 10 May 2006 04:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L9GoUfgyGHS3kFEDa+0t08bYo5/nncfQ2YD8V0oYLLtd2OHTEuGUx4gsOrwYR+pzm59UO8a7ATo02GP5bapqLQ4x1MJ7VmKMc+7QPr7l33bm9gQeyN1tmiW9ScSwk7uq27IGgFpWcSjO7UMhGnydjpsgk9o2pXfhA4PZeSYdqiU= ; Message-ID: <20060510043420.56555.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: recomended CD Grafic software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, i am gathering info on good software to start making my own CD covers,ive used nero CD and similar bundles but they all seem a bit mediocre,the lack the side labels etc.anybody doing grafic design for their own cds on this list? thanx Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 04:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 558F13BEDC; Wed, 10 May 2006 04:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002901c673eb$379d43c0$5bb95545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060509235719.20191.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:35:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3ACteB.A.lNH.E2WYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Re: Looperlative 1st report> Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are worthwhile? If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% of the installed user base! (until the June batch ships, then we'll be about 8%). Of course this is just *my* opinion... A box of this caliber *should* address midi sync and control issues until everything--sync, triggering of various loops in both continuous and start modes, and all parameter toggling is smooth and seamless. It sounds like Bob is very much aware of all critique and input put forth here, and I applaud his active involvement in trying to bring us what we dream of. If there are snags in the development, I'm sure someone here will catch it and post. Keep the beta coming everyone... and try to keep it positive so there won't be any defensive volleys among the proles, and the development can continue! Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 04:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4510E3BEDB; Wed, 10 May 2006 04:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j9V2J3mhnMwlK1+3v/HrPecVIg/l8fZIXOSLyZHVyIJepkyLVnLrkHeAXdOCVVtPfpwax219YkhKm48bueamMaQZcxf3Qcv0qPFL+U0rB+BDQ9S847vqqxfU+kRFQq5CNt0zeqOE9qr3r4fdDjihe9zxKm5tJoazaj6VIeqDWL8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:37:12 -0400 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recomended CD Grafic software In-Reply-To: <20060510043420.56555.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060510043420.56555.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 04:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Adobe Illustrator and/or Photoshop should be enough. On 5/10/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > i am gathering info on good software to start making > my own CD covers,ive used nero CD and similar bundles > but they all seem a bit mediocre,the lack the side > labels etc.anybody doing grafic design for their own > cds on this list? > thanx > Luis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 05:15:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15B313BED8; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IF6i8bsm5FPm4ZMHyWfw5V+IJEGm2OJQg8S232YJPfFVq3Z7clNRL/JpVu/tq0PLjskM7DcGpNTrR2tFTEj1mXXW/1gR8oOInIzpRXcg9i0w8C/gwTDvRpN2eH8jsGX9426Xug9LdOmwjNg2vOfEqQd+NnurClORwdGF37wa0/k= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:15:33 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Buying a laptop for Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <6wt-z.A.Dp.2bXYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 05:15:35 +0000 (UTC) I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius.=20 thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 05:40:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F243BED3; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YUSHPnj6/kyet/L9Otxp5bNnYjgM4EvSKL8AfUiN0jhm6jcwqXY01hmq6HAtAA6ubyuXqj6UI0EPutCDRrrRQ6IR2j4Nt1K/NSh4IbegWrD0S4xYX5MCt2F/6spONo7+UfY8sLjS0SwPr+su2Vm3Brtg+wy1D/xKD93YIvD6kgQ= ; Message-ID: <20060510054050.87105.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1329.212.205.234.68.1147203310.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-ikOXD.A.EkB.kzXYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 05:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Wow, sounds cool. What I don't get is why "Once you begin recording a New Loop, all of the files for the previous loop will be overwritten and you cannot retrieve them." Put in non volatile memory and then make it so that you can't ever get back to your previous loops? So what's the point? --- Costas Andreou wrote: > Hello everyone! > The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper > was delivered to me > recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a > small review for anyone > interested in this new looper. > > The 2880 is well designed and well build, with > quality knobs, pots and > faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected > and this is a plus, at > least for me. > > This is a user friendly machine - especially those > who are familiar with > any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel > at home right away. It > is great to have faders and pan pots for each > track/loop and control these > parameters in real time. > > The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, > no hiss, no artifacts, > no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom > before clipping and > they sound good with various sources. The converter > sounds nice - no cheap > digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and > clear and the faders > have that nice feel you expect when you need to do > smooth fade ins/outs, > small changes or big moves. > > Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple > mono or stereo loops can > be recorded of four different tracks and you are > free to mix everything > down to a stereo track to have the other ones > available for additional > work. You can move the faders and pan pots during > mixdown and everything > will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you > hear it. You can also > record onto the mixdown track as many times as you > like and keep the > previous stuff there, too. > > Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the > octave button and you are > also free to do bends up and down with the tempo > slider. The reverse > feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can > be active at the same > time. > > Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very > simple steps to follow. > If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, > there are no problems at > all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, > the 2880 becomes an > instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated > looper machine out > there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I > suggest you spend the > additional money to get the foot controller too, > because it really makes > live work easier and more fluid. You can't do > everything on the fly > without the controller, except if both of your hands > are free. > > Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync > succesfully to a sequencer or a > drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, > simple and effective. > > A metronome with its own level knob is also > included. It sounds like the > clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake > plastic snare here. This > click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to > assist the performer, but > it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The > metronome is output > through the headphones jack, allowing for further > dub style processing. > ;-) > > The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will > appreciate this. You > can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact > flash card is > displayed as an external hard drive. The files are > the standard .wav and > can be easily moved, for backup or further process. > > Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the > control and the power > to do things as fluidly as possible. > > Feel free to ask questions. > :-) > > Greetings from Athens > Costas > > http://www.costasandreou.com > contact@costasandreou.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 05:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603343BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <62fc8c1635708678d78d1af5a2d0d17d@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:55:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 05:55:34 +0000 (UTC) What about a new mac laptop, and when you want to run mobius, bootup=20 windows in bootcamp....? Just an idea, I've never done it, has anybody out there? Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 9, 2006, at 10:15 PM, mark t wrote: > I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am > "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you > seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know > the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably > without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So > help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. = thanks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 07:46:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2DD13BECD; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4F8769FD-6751-4E08-8DC1-40A95A40F91B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:46:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:46:23 +0000 (UTC) >>>This makes me think that Bob and the early testers were not trying to push the box to its fullest extent. A quick browse through Steve Lawson's sound samples with the box confirms this notion for me- all his stuff is polite, with discrete loops played at deliberate tempos. Not much stress on the Looperlative.<<< Just for the record, the only 'sound sample' that's ever been posted by me is the original demo at NAMM, done with a prototype box and version 0.5 of the software - the main things that I wast trying to get across with that was that it was stereo, and that the layers could be manipulated independently with reverse and feedback etc. Beyond that, the other tracks that I've posted on my myspace page that feature the Looperlative are from my new album, which is no more designed to test the limitations of the Looperlative than Bob Dylan writes songs to test the limits of the acoustic guitar. I can't even begin to imagine why someone would write music to do that, if it's not just a product demo. The things that I am doing on both the new tracks on my MySpace page would have been impossible with my old two EDP set up, and obviously all the reverbs etc are now in stereo - that's always been the biggest selling point to me... As for why Andre's not using an LP1 - I can't speak for him, but if I'd spent the amount of time working on my EDP skills that he has, I wouldn't be in any hurry to switch. It's like asking why Yo Yo Ma doesn't play 5 string electric cello. The Echoplex, as has been stated many times, does its own bag of tricks, a feature set that took a decade to come to maturity, and works phenomenally well. For someone like Andre, it would seem mad to sacrifice all those EDP- specific elements for a different box at this stage. I'm sure if and when the LP1 feature set offers something he can't do with the EDP that he wants to do, he'd get one... As for Torn, I know he's been on the LP forum, and is in touch with Bob. >>> I know I'm the odd man out here as I think there are only a few of us who are angry at the way it functions in regard to switching tracks while synced. I'm only considering abandoning the Looperlative because I honestly don't think enough of us want this functionality that it is worth Bob's time to add it. Silly to change your design for a tiny group of users.<<< Not at all - MIDI Sync has all along been one of Bob's top priorities, it's just much harder to develop than relatively simple internal processes like feedback, reverse and multiply. As Bob has posted on the forum, it's at the very top of his programming priority list, and it just depends on whether you can be bothered to stick around long enough to see it come to fruition. If not, someone else gets to jump the queue for a LP1, if you do, maybe you'll find that the LP1 is the answer to your looping prayers after all... ;o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 07:50:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86AFB3BEE4; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKE2YUSBS4cqLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510084234.01b782b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:50:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: 4/5/6 string bass In-Reply-To: <20060510030300.E8C393BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510030300.E8C393BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:50:45 +0000 (UTC) At 04:03 10/05/2006, you wrote: >I've got two Modulus six string basses, where all the strings are >useable across the whole range... If your strings sound crap, try a >lighter guage on the bottom and a slightly heavier one on the top... > >cheers is that "guitar top" or "everybody else" top? (personally, I really don't like light strings on the low notes and always go for the thickest possible ) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 08:06:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D96C43BEF0; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CANY6YUSBS4cpLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510090325.01aaf5e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:06:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative 1st report In-Reply-To: <20060510030300.E8C393BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510030300.E8C393BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:06:17 +0000 (UTC) >Looperlative's brilliance is that it *was made* for >Steve Lawson, Bob Amstadt and Rick Walker. If you're >looping like one of them it's a perfect machine. >Perhaps it's perfect for you too. I know I'm the odd >man out here as I think there are only a few of us who >are angry at the way it functions in regard to >switching tracks while synced. hi Mark, Is it not possible to achieve the effect you want by muting tracks rather than stopping them. Surely the track can stay in sync by keeping running silently. Or is it some other problem you have? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 08:09:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65B113BF00; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MHdxt1lfXRlSsBcbbWkL2DPgdQQQtsQyeaK5PHiJJfGClnqm6Iz5NIXBdHf1gNiOcbzfH+d3alR+6qAKA5L5xxbioHc0hw22TfUe/mgEDTC2auA05z0N3oK6E/w4J6s2YLqYgLq5n7Pn/PQjZBY/Dll+idSXiMJJ2TruhdgKofQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:09:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:09:49 +0000 (UTC) On 10 maj 2006, at 07.15, mark t wrote: > I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am > "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you > seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know > the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably > without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So > help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. > thanks. I have a PC laptop based on the centrino concept and it's fine for Mobius. The CPU is a Pentium M 755, 2 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. I'm using an Indigo Echo stereo (two in/outputs) sound card or a RME Multiface when I need eight physical in/output + digital. Both are PCMCIS cardbus based. MIDI is handled by a USB MIDI link (on MIDI in + one MIDI out). That's totally glitch free and runs eight stereo tracks of as many loops I need. I have no other software installed on the pc except for Mobius and some other music application, just the plain XP service pack 2. No anti virus and I never bring it onto the internet. Like you I do most of my work in OS X on Macs (I also have a g4 pbook and a dual G5) and I think that if I should have gotten into Mobius today I wold have been looking for one of the new intel based Macs instead. It's just so boring to travel with the PC laptop and don't have access to my other fav tools like Logic, Metasynth, Numerology or Augustus Loop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 08:39:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4F0D3BF10; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4461A6A1.9090307@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:38:57 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP vs. PD vs. jMax References: <588ce11d0605081811j1bf47d53y59cbad290b2e6e01@mail.gmail.com> <44610C1B.5010105@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:39:05 +0000 (UTC) bruce tovsky wrote: > > On May 9, 2006, at 6:47 PM, mark t wrote: > >> If you can afford max are there any looping enviorments out there to >> >> study or modify into your own thing? thanks. >> > > check out klaus filips "lloopp" - it's a beautifully flexible and well > supported live performance environment built with max, and > free to boot. you might even be able to run it in the max runtime > app and not have to spring for full on max, but i'm not sure about > that. go to: http://lloopp.klingt.org/start.html > cheers > bruce > and a slightly easier environment can be found here: http://www.iamthemightyjungulator.com/jungulate.html the patch is called iamthemightyjungulator, and it's under "Downloads" a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 09:41:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B193BEC5; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012c01c67415$ebb1a160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: bass and strum stick tunings Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:41:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:41:36 +0000 (UTC) I"m completely enamored of the simple Sus 2 tuning D A D E What I love dearly about this tuning is that all the bar harmonics up and down the neck are in Lydian. It's a really beautiful and very simple tuning to play in (for a drummer like myself). Another one I"ve been using on a strum stick I purchased at NAMM is a Flat 7 tuning D A D C It makes for some really beautiful triadic suspended modal chords. I'm using these on a bass but I'm just loving playing StrumStick and Dulcimer lately. The timbre of the Strumstick (which just has three highly strung thin strings) is really beautiful. It's like a cross between a mandolin and a banjo with very chimey harmonics. It's tuned diatonically (with a flat 7 and a natural 7) so when you put it into a non 1-5-1 tuning it produces some beautiful parallel modal chords and melodies. MARTIN SIMPSON's approach to altered tunings If you are interested in altered tunings please check out Martin Simpsons' book "The Acoustic Guitar of Martin Simpson" There's a cool section at the front of that book on his approach. I was really privileged to tour and record with him for a couple of years and he has a fascinating and very simple paradigm for the use of altered tunings. He changes the tunings of his acoustic guitar between every tune on stage and does so while telling really wonderful and sometimes thought provoking or humorous stories. It's amazing to watch and I can't more highly recommend seeing him live or listening to his records if you get the chance. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 10:09:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2693BEDF; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4461BBC1.5010303@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:09:05 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recomended CD Grafic software References: <20060510043420.56555.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6iDpSB.A.b8C.LvbYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:09:16 +0000 (UTC) yes, and a quick-quick google provided these templates for inlays and such: http://www.copy-cd.biz/dtp-area/templates.jsp Joey wrote: > Adobe Illustrator and/or Photoshop should be enough. > > > On 5/10/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> Hi gang, >> i am gathering info on good software to start making >> my own CD covers,ive used nero CD and similar bundles >> but they all seem a bit mediocre,the lack the side >> labels etc.anybody doing grafic design for their own >> cds on this list? >> thanx >> Luis >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 10:11:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B7E3BF00; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WRW+1Fd80wBPpTDumoVF6Uhehho4hRUyVR/5v4fppP9ZOAyyW1yD5ZOTgYrYSUpNCDTto8oRSVoeRT18JraU8pwmFM5fwp30Do553do8+v8gCvuJx6OELO+RzDJnUTmvQKcUnN4rLowQGTb+C2I+HITM00OatY97q6KcjOzh5MU= In-Reply-To: <012c01c67415$ebb1a160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <012c01c67415$ebb1a160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7471D3EC-8648-42DC-A8CD-574DB79775BE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: bass and strum stick tunings Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:11:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) On 10 maj 2006, at 11.41, loop.pool wrote: > I"m completely enamored of the simple > Sus 2 tuning D A D E That's almost the tuning a like most for harmonizer playing with monophonic instruments. I use the D Sus 4 which is D G A D. But if I use it with a different tonal center (root key), one fifth up, it equals Rick's except for the chord voicing. Maybe a bit OT, but related and interesting IMHO. An interesting aspect of harmonizer playing is when you set up a patch with a feedback loop and the chord voicing grows for each feedback repeat. Different chords grow differently and I like the D G A D for this particular reason. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 10:32:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06B913BEDB; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAMFZYUSBS4cqLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510111831.01b2f338@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:33:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:recomended CD Grafic software In-Reply-To: <20060510080949.E4A063BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510080949.E4A063BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:32:50 +0000 (UTC) >Hi gang, >i am gathering info on good software to start making >my own CD covers,ive used nero CD and similar bundles >but they all seem a bit mediocre,the lack the side >labels etc.anybody doing grafic design for their own >cds on this list? >thanx >Luis hi Luis. For professional results get some templates to use in the graphic editor that you use. If you're getting the cds pressed, then the company should have templates for download. If you're doing home burning, then any template should be close enough. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 10:41:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDC193BEE4; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAMFZYUSBS4UFgiUs Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510113627.01b3ade8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:41:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Looperlative 1st report In-Reply-To: <20060510080949.E4A063BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510080949.E4A063BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2oV9vB.A.oBE.rNcYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:41:47 +0000 (UTC) steve writ >no more >designed to test the limitations of the Looperlative than Bob Dylan >writes songs to test the limits of the acoustic guitar. I can't even >begin to imagine why someone would write music to do that, if it's >not just a product demo. for some of us it just happens that our music pushes the hardware to the limit, I guess we want to create music that couldn't have happened before. andy butler www.andybutler.com mp3s etc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 10:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F09F3BEDE; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0D17B6FB-3FB3-4C00-9A92-5C6AA26766EC@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: re: 4/5/6 string bass Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:43:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:43:21 +0000 (UTC) >>>is that "guitar top" or "everybody else" top? (personally, I really don't like light strings on the low notes and always go for the thickest possible )<<< top meaning high notes. If thicker lower strings work for you, go for it, but my own experience is that you get exactly the effect you're talking about - a loss of clarity and intonation above the 5th fret. With a lighter B and E string, I get a lot more clarity and better balance across the strings. YMMV. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 13:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9746E3BEB6; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:01:31 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J13a2.07ceS.4723M" Message-Id: <20060510.060220.11185.923268@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:692601873 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5F627ap8nLAPq8H+Un2zwE+Vo60Pd0Mwew== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.166|webmail26.nyc.untd.com|webmail26.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:02:54 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J13a2.07ceS.4723M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are worthwhile? = If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% of the installed = user base! (until the June batch ships, then we'll be about 8%). Ken Hi all, I think MIDI sync is very important in this box. I belie= ve it will help sell more LP1's but I purchased mine (next batch) not on= ly to get in on the ground floor of the development and to help a buddin= g new developer but also for exactly what this box is currently doing. = I have two EDP's which I love and will not part with. I also have a Rep= eater, an EH16 reissue, a RC-20, a RC-20xl, a new Jamman, 2 DD-20's, an = old TEAC Reel, old cassettes that I used in the 80's along with an old B= oss Rackmount Delay which I could set for near infinite delay. I starte= d looping before I ever heard the term and became enamoured with the sou= nds. I now feel that looping for me is an extension of instrument and s= elf and I find it hard to play without it when working on small pieces. = It helps me develop faster and smarter so to get back to the MIDI sync = issue yes it is important but it is a bonus as this box is it's own inst= rument like the others and it's personality will grow over time just lik= e the EDP or any other of these loopers I listed as it is still the indi= vidual who gives live and use to the tool. Where's my tea! thanks for = listening. Weg ----__JWM__J13a2.07ceS.4723M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html
Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are wo= rthwhile?  If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% o= f the installed user base!  (until the June batch ships, then we'll= be about 8%).

Ken
 
Hi all,
    I think MIDI sync is very important in this box.=   I believe it will help sell more LP1's but I purchased mine (next= batch) not only to get in on the ground floor of the development and to= help a budding new developer but also for exactly what this box is curr= ently doing.  I have two EDP's which I love and will not part with.=   I also have a Repeater, an EH16 reissue, a RC-20, a RC-20xl, a ne= w Jamman, 2 DD-20's, an old TEAC Reel, old cassettes that I used in the = 80's along with an old Boss Rackmount Delay which I could set for near i= nfinite delay.  I started looping before I ever heard the term and = became enamoured with the sounds.  I now feel that looping for me i= s an extension of instrument and self and I find it hard to play without= it when working on small pieces.  It helps me develop faster and s= marter so to get back to the MIDI sync issue yes it is important but it = is a bonus as this box is it's own instrument like the others and it's p= ersonality will grow over time just like the EDP or any other of these l= oopers I listed as it is still the individual who gives live and use to = the tool.  Where's my tea!  thanks for listening.
 
 
Weg
----__JWM__J13a2.07ceS.4723M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40BDC3BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative 1st report Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:22:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6741B.9EE38E10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20060510.060220.11185.923268@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ0Mg4TU5luxUkOREW+ZYJwr8v7sgACvaJQ Message-Id: <20060510142220.4B0EE3BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6741B.9EE38E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm midi sync user of lp1. what about potential lp1 customers? Is midi sync important to you? _____ From: Weg [mailto:theweg@netzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are worthwhile? If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% of the installed user base! (until the June batch ships, then we'll be about 8%). Ken Hi all, I think MIDI sync is very important in this box. I believe it will help sell more LP1's but I purchased mine (next batch) not only to get in on the ground floor of the development and to help a budding new developer but also for exactly what this box is currently doing. I have two EDP's which I love and will not part with. I also have a Repeater, an EH16 reissue, a RC-20, a RC-20xl, a new Jamman, 2 DD-20's, an old TEAC Reel, old cassettes that I used in the 80's along with an old Boss Rackmount Delay which I could set for near infinite delay. I started looping before I ever heard the term and became enamoured with the sounds. I now feel that looping for me is an extension of instrument and self and I find it hard to play without it when working on small pieces. It helps me develop faster and smarter so to get back to the MIDI sync issue yes it is important but it is a bonus as this box is it's own instrument like the others and it's personality will grow over time just like the EDP or any other of these loopers I listed as it is still the individual who gives live and use to the tool. Where's my tea! thanks for listening. Weg ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6741B.9EE38E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m midi sync user of lp1. = what about potential lp1 customers? Is midi sync important to = you?

 

From: Weg [mailto:theweg@netzero.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, = 2006 9:02 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looperlative = 1st report

 

Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are worthwhile?  If even 5 of us say it's = important, that's roughly 20% of the installed user base!  (until the June = batch ships, then we'll be about 8%).

 

Ken

 

Hi all,

    I think MIDI sync is very important in this box.  I believe it will help sell more = LP1's but I purchased mine (next batch) not only to get in on the ground floor of = the development and to help a budding new developer but also for exactly = what this box is currently doing.  I have two EDP's which I love and will not = part with.  I also have a Repeater, an EH16 reissue, a RC-20, a RC-20xl, = a new Jamman, 2 DD-20's, an old TEAC Reel, old cassettes that I used in the = 80's along with an old Boss Rackmount Delay which I could set for near = infinite delay.  I started looping before I ever heard the term and became enamoured with the sounds.  I now feel that looping for me is an = extension of instrument and self and I find it hard to play without it when = working on small pieces.  It helps me develop faster and smarter so to get = back to the MIDI sync issue yes it is important but it is a bonus as this box is = it's own instrument like the others and it's personality will grow over time = just like the EDP or any other of these loopers I listed as it is still the individual who gives live and use to the tool.  Where's my = tea!  thanks for listening.

 

 

Weg

------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6741B.9EE38E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:37:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78583BECD; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PBgK7Mdz1fL4Gu8SoncZfgdcQjRDBHu150gUnEeToyW7qEvZsPvIhrWnkndC+6VmW/+LKMXUtE85/HTVlf10+GweYOF71kkZhqM/YQFwqZnLfoMmTSoZGXkcU6GtZoXWxhURHrk+yc6F6LbkLAHWuQQEndz0e0+WQHTjADYfcTc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:37:21 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3f88c69a323b9d42 Resent-Message-ID: <7AhhkD.A.X6E.iqfYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:37:23 +0000 (UTC) On 5/10/06, mark t wrote: > I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am > "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you > seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know > the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably > without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So > help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. > thanks. Another option is to talk Jeff Larson into porting Mobius to OS X.=20 Would be cheaper for everyone except him. Unless he opened the source to let someone else do it for him, of course ;) Mark T, I assume you've tried SooperLooper and found it unsuitable for your needs? I'd be interested in hearing about them. The more complaining I hear, the better chance I have of getting something accomplished on it in my increasingly diminishing free time. And yes Per, proper latency compensation is almost there. Life keeps interrupting. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:37:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 998AA3BEE4; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JYhR6n5eRgk4cl8IdSUWknWAMe2eTAj5TBc54r4teYpD6tOtsy5U9mKVq1b9Tsc8mTZ2HEdBjEDj6DUwymA9XdZaOHgKdG+m9wgJ7Jrw9Qr5dBLCF9whsO4sBU3RxzWgJkSghUJ8WZfd8zd6BlA2NhGhqjJFX90sIkCzrEDuGGk= Message-ID: <64b81a780605100737l98cd2ado1744455ef3f0e646@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:37:24 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass and strum stick tunings In-Reply-To: <7471D3EC-8648-42DC-A8CD-574DB79775BE@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <012c01c67415$ebb1a160$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <7471D3EC-8648-42DC-A8CD-574DB79775BE@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <71XN2C.A.B-E.lqfYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Likewise, that's almost my favorite 6-string acoustic stell-string tuning: C G C G C D. Note that the top four strings are just a step lower. Of course, I can't take credit for this one as it's the tuning Jimmy Page used for the Rain Song and aparently now for most of his guitar playing. The beauty of this one is in the drones. Simple two-three finger chord shapes can be slid up and down the neck and wonderful harmonies against the drones can be found all over the place. Todd On 5/10/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 10 maj 2006, at 11.41, loop.pool wrote: > > > I"m completely enamored of the simple > > Sus 2 tuning D A D E > > > That's almost the tuning a like most for harmonizer playing with > monophonic instruments. I use the D Sus 4 which is D G A D. But if I > use it with a different tonal center (root key), one fifth up, it > equals Rick's except for the chord voicing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:41:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4633BEDB; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060510054050.87105.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060510054050.87105.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:22:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4JXLZ.A.LMF.8tfYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:41:00 +0000 (UTC) The designer at EH explained to me that they couldn't sort out a way to create a file structure on the card to allow multiple loops to be stored and recalled using the simple interface design of the 2880. (rule number one: no multifunction buttons!). The thing that I love about the 16 second delay reissue is that the loops can be pitched -with a physical knob-!! The 2880 has this feature and also allows you to record your manipulations to the 'mixdown track'... I thinkl that the 2880 could be quite an inspiring instrument. >Wow, sounds cool. What I don't get is why "Once you >begin recording a New Loop, all of the files for the >previous loop will be overwritten and you cannot >retrieve them." > >Put in non volatile memory and then make it so that >you can't ever get back to your previous loops? So >what's the point? > >--- Costas Andreou wrote: > >> Hello everyone! >> The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper >> was delivered to me >> recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a >> small review for anyone >> interested in this new looper. >> >> The 2880 is well designed and well build, with >> quality knobs, pots and >> faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected >> and this is a plus, at >> least for me. >> >> This is a user friendly machine - especially those >> who are familiar with >> any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel >> at home right away. It >> is great to have faders and pan pots for each >> track/loop and control these >> parameters in real time. >> >> The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, >> no hiss, no artifacts, >> no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom >> before clipping and >> they sound good with various sources. The converter >> sounds nice - no cheap >> digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and >> clear and the faders >> have that nice feel you expect when you need to do >> smooth fade ins/outs, >> small changes or big moves. >> >> Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple >> mono or stereo loops can >> be recorded of four different tracks and you are >> free to mix everything >> down to a stereo track to have the other ones >> available for additional >> work. You can move the faders and pan pots during >> mixdown and everything >> will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you >> hear it. You can also >> record onto the mixdown track as many times as you >> like and keep the >> previous stuff there, too. >> >> Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the >> octave button and you are >> also free to do bends up and down with the tempo >> slider. The reverse >> feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can >> be active at the same >> time. >> >> Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very >> simple steps to follow. >> If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, >> there are no problems at >> all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, >> the 2880 becomes an >> instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated >> looper machine out >> there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I >> suggest you spend the >> additional money to get the foot controller too, >> because it really makes >> live work easier and more fluid. You can't do >> everything on the fly >> without the controller, except if both of your hands >> are free. >> >> Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync >> succesfully to a sequencer or a >> drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, >> simple and effective. >> >> A metronome with its own level knob is also >> included. It sounds like the >> clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake >> plastic snare here. This >> click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to >> assist the performer, but >> it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The >> metronome is output >> through the headphones jack, allowing for further >> dub style processing. >> ;-) >> >> The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will >> appreciate this. You >> can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact > > flash card is >> displayed as an external hard drive. The files are >> the standard .wav and >> can be easily moved, for backup or further process. >> >> Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the >> control and the power >> to do things as fluidly as possible. >> >> Feel free to ask questions. >> :-) >> >> Greetings from Athens >> Costas >> >> http://www.costasandreou.com >> contact@costasandreou.com >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:41:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 153CA3BEF8; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F8769FD-6751-4E08-8DC1-40A95A40F91B@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <4F8769FD-6751-4E08-8DC1-40A95A40F91B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:26:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1064850425==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:41:01 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1064850425==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Attention Steve Lawson: > >Beyond that, the other tracks that I've posted on my myspace page >that feature the Looperlative are from my new album, http://www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson Invalid Friend ID. 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--============_-1064850425==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:43:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9989F3BEF0; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:43:54 -0400 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C842574BA85C3C-1ED0-6A10@FWM-R19.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: electric bird noise on myspace Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.147 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:43:57 +0000 (UTC) a fellow loopers page up at: http://myspace.com/electricbirdnoise re-release of "unleashing the inner robot" and soundtrack from the motion picture "the pace" out june 2nd on no more stars records! nomorestarsrecords.com (official launch june 2nd) http://myspace.com/nomorestarsrecords From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 14:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF7E3BEF0; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5CE78117-6D53-41F9-8D12-A9B3D0C2BFF1@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: pushing limits Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:53:54 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:54:00 +0000 (UTC) >>>for some of us it just happens that our music pushes the hardware to the limit, I guess we want to create music that couldn't have happened before.<<< that's great. I'm very interested in finding out what's possible with a particular set up, exploring possibilities etc. It's just that when it comes to actually playing for an audience, or recording music that provides the soundtrack to my life, the cleverness of the looping comes in a very poor 10th behind 9 levels of musical considerations. That's not to say that clever looping tricks and musicality don't overlap - they clearly do sometimes! - but for me it's a matter of priorities. I've heard clever looping that works as music and I've heard clever looping that sounds like crap (to me). It's the same with every musical sub-set I guess. I dislike most of it. Fortunately, there's so much music out there that I could buy a new CD every day for the rest of my life and not run out of world class music to listen to. :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:00:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B266D3BEC2; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c67442$708adc90$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:00:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 556, in=293534, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Get a ThinkPad. They have some affordable models. You can call IBM/Lenovo directly to discuss options and configure your system. ..sheesh, I can't believe I just said this. I'm an HP guy! :) Or buy an HP notebook and I could help you pick a model...that's my plug. Or get one of the new MACs with the Intel processors...screamin fast, with that same ol' simple minded MAC user interface. ;) I had to add the jab, sorry. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark t" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Buying a laptop for Mobius I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793C53BED9; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> Subject: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:05:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 556, in=293543, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Per, offshoot question...or anyone using a PC based notebook. These days PCs load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up resources and cache memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is critical or not. Anyone have any recommendations on what one can remove from the startup menu of a brand new notebook? Or how does one find out what all those programs do, which are cryptically named and shown when you open your Task Manager and look in the Processes tab? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius > On 10 maj 2006, at 07.15, mark t wrote: > >> I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am >> "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you >> seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know >> the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably >> without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So >> help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. thanks. > > > I have a PC laptop based on the centrino concept and it's fine for > Mobius. The CPU is a Pentium M 755, 2 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. I'm using an > Indigo Echo stereo (two in/outputs) sound card or a RME Multiface when I > need eight physical in/output + digital. Both are PCMCIS cardbus based. > MIDI is handled by a USB MIDI link (on MIDI in + one MIDI out). That's > totally glitch free and runs eight stereo tracks of as many loops I need. > I have no other software installed on the pc except for Mobius and some > other music application, just the plain XP service pack 2. No anti virus > and I never bring it onto the internet. > > Like you I do most of my work in OS X on Macs (I also have a g4 pbook and > a dual G5) and I think that if I should have gotten into Mobius today I > wold have been looking for one of the new intel based Macs instead. It's > just so boring to travel with the PC laptop and don't have access to my > other fav tools like Logic, Metasynth, Numerology or Augustus Loop. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:18:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775113BEDC; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c67445$03f9b620$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <4F8769FD-6751-4E08-8DC1-40A95A40F91B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:18:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 558, in=298139, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:18:42 +0000 (UTC) I just upgraded my LP1 and noticed a new replace feature...sort of like the EDP substitute function, right? I see two options for it, Replace and Replace (with original, or something to that effect). Nice. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:46 AM Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report > >>>This makes me think that Bob and the early testers were not > trying to push the box to its fullest extent. A quick browse through > Steve Lawson's sound samples with the box confirms this notion for me- > all his stuff is polite, with discrete loops played at deliberate > tempos. Not much stress on the Looperlative.<<< > > Just for the record, the only 'sound sample' that's ever been posted by > me is the original demo at NAMM, done with a prototype box and version > 0.5 of the software - the main things that I wast trying to get across > with that was that it was stereo, and that the layers could be > manipulated independently with reverse and feedback etc. > > Beyond that, the other tracks that I've posted on my myspace page that > feature the Looperlative are from my new album, which is no more designed > to test the limitations of the Looperlative than Bob Dylan writes songs > to test the limits of the acoustic guitar. I can't even begin to imagine > why someone would write music to do that, if it's not just a product > demo. The things that I am doing on both the new tracks on my MySpace > page would have been impossible with my old two EDP set up, and obviously > all the reverbs etc are now in stereo - that's always been the biggest > selling point to me... > > As for why Andre's not using an LP1 - I can't speak for him, but if I'd > spent the amount of time working on my EDP skills that he has, I wouldn't > be in any hurry to switch. It's like asking why Yo Yo Ma doesn't play 5 > string electric cello. The Echoplex, as has been stated many times, does > its own bag of tricks, a feature set that took a decade to come to > maturity, and works phenomenally well. For someone like Andre, it would > seem mad to sacrifice all those EDP- specific elements for a different box > at this stage. I'm sure if and when the LP1 feature set offers something > he can't do with the EDP that he wants to do, he'd get one... > > As for Torn, I know he's been on the LP forum, and is in touch with Bob. > > >>> I know I'm the odd > man out here as I think there are only a few of us who > are angry at the way it functions in regard to > switching tracks while synced. I'm only considering > abandoning the Looperlative because I honestly don't > think enough of us want this functionality that it is > worth Bob's time to add it. Silly to change your > design for a tiny group of users.<<< > > Not at all - MIDI Sync has all along been one of Bob's top priorities, > it's just much harder to develop than relatively simple internal > processes like feedback, reverse and multiply. As Bob has posted on the > forum, it's at the very top of his programming priority list, and it just > depends on whether you can be bothered to stick around long enough to see > it come to fruition. If not, someone else gets to jump the queue for a > LP1, if you do, maybe you'll find that the LP1 is the answer to your > looping prayers after all... ;o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:23:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B9403BEE1; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAL+gYUSBS4crLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510155040.01c27040@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:21:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: re: 4/5/6 string bass OT In-Reply-To: <20060510144100.01AD03BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510144100.01AD03BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:23:22 +0000 (UTC) At 15:41 10/05/2006, you wrote: > >>>is that "guitar top" or "everybody else" top? > >(personally, I really don't like light strings on the low notes and >always go for >the thickest possible )<<< > >top meaning high notes. > >If thicker lower strings work for you, go for it, but my own >experience is that you get exactly the effect you're talking about - >a loss of clarity and intonation above the 5th fret. With a lighter B >and E string, I get a lot more clarity and better balance across the >strings. YMMV. > >cheers > >Steve hi Steve, no...i'll never change :-) .105 >>> .045 nickel wound for the 4 standard strings. ......it's set in stone .......the other 2 have to match My calculations for even tension say .140 for a low E so quite likely my dissatisfaction is down to the fact that I'm using .130 there at the moment. (intonation is fine) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:31:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B631A3BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HWtK6NLKUSRd/4EnIOKQSQ5ARjyrg0MpIUiLyvbEnyKhMFzKb/BxzXRFmu1ZT0kE; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6730788.1147275103598.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:31:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: E-bow question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401523bbb1043b06e99d35aa9d963e99c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: <9Tm2E.A.FIB.gdgYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:31:44 +0000 (UTC) I am very glad you got some inspiration from my passing along someone else's idea! ;-) BTW, I think the Signal to Noise issue was the one with Bruce Hampton on the cover (headline sez "Sacred, Scared, Scarred," or something like that), wherein he waxes rhapsodic about Jacqueline Bissett: "I would swim through a sea of shark-infested babysh*t to get to her." You go, Captain! E-bows rock. I have to get off my arse and buy one of these useful devices as soon as I can sell some more gear to pay for it. FOR INSTANCE: Anyone want a DiMarzio Double Whammy pickup? Midrange for days... makes Gibbons harmonics almost too easy. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: burnett@pobox.com >Sent: May 9, 2006 11:44 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re: E-bow question > >On Sun, 7 May 2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >> E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some avant cat in Signal to >> Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs. > >Tim, thanks for mentioning this: inspired by the above, I took a Remo >spring drum > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002GFS3G/ > >held it suspended by the end of the spring, then applied the E-Bow just >below my hand, bending the spring across the channel of the E-Bow with >very little pressure: just enough for the bottom end of the E-Bow channel >to act as a bridge for the spring. The result was a minimal-attack moan as >the vibrating spring shook the spring drum head, reminiscent of the wind >sounds in the planet landing sequence of Ridley Scott's _Alien_. Very >cool, thanks. > >Oh, and Andy: > >best, >Steve B >Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:40:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF1203BEE0; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:40:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Thread-Index: AcZ0Qy0qctuZI4KYTBmHPmSmvlrryQAA4oZA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 15:40:53.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F45C010:01C67448] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Kris, see http://www.musicxp.net/. It looks like it has at least some of the compendium of advice about tuning an XP-based machine for audio that I found 4 years ago when I set up my Vaio. I was looking into how to turn off the power management features in XP, I think related to bypassing automatic IRQ assignments. I have a printout of that compendium, from Tweakers' Asylum, but looking today it was anything but obvious how to navigate to that now. I've since seen other similar instructions, but in my opinion they were not as comprehensive. Anyway it looks like the link I pasted in above will take you to a pretty comprehensive discussion of services and other issues related to maximizing the audio performance of an XP machine. You may not wish to do as much as I did, which eliminated any power saving, alerts about battery power and the like, and "disconnected" all means of going online. If this site doesn't satisfy you, take a look at what a search on "XP audio tweak" or something similar gets you. Howl Din -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Per, offshoot question...or anyone using a PC based notebook. These days PCs=20 load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up resources and cache=20 memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is critical or not. Anyone have any=20 recommendations on what one can remove from the startup menu of a brand new=20 notebook? Or how does one find out what all those programs do, which are cryptically named and shown when you open your Task Manager and look in the=20 Processes tab? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius > On 10 maj 2006, at 07.15, mark t wrote: > >> I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am=20 >> "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you=20 >> seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know >> the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably >> without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So=20 >> help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. =20 >> thanks. > > > I have a PC laptop based on the centrino concept and it's fine for > Mobius. The CPU is a Pentium M 755, 2 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. I'm using an=20 > Indigo Echo stereo (two in/outputs) sound card or a RME Multiface when I=20 > need eight physical in/output + digital. Both are PCMCIS cardbus based.=20 > MIDI is handled by a USB MIDI link (on MIDI in + one MIDI out). That's=20 > totally glitch free and runs eight stereo tracks of as many loops I need.=20 > I have no other software installed on the pc except for Mobius and some=20 > other music application, just the plain XP service pack 2. No anti virus=20 > and I never bring it onto the internet. > > Like you I do most of my work in OS X on Macs (I also have a g4 pbook > and > a dual G5) and I think that if I should have gotten into Mobius today I=20 > wold have been looking for one of the new intel based Macs instead. It's=20 > just so boring to travel with the PC laptop and don't have access to my=20 > other fav tools like Logic, Metasynth, Numerology or Augustus Loop. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 15:50:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7FD3BEDD; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rx9HaSgYuq7DTWC/G5nnY8YRA/k7o2mY7ktLozxtOcb8ComecYDig7B7UCu+hNwuZ/PBesXfbFRl0Euz3if+jBV0NYRMnRRmw/yTBGxWL6mcDEtZA6lbNyb78P2t9ZDsa6v3MXNP6SfwIqk1e0AAlXwqOGx40M9R+yeKAj4lt0Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B1E7265-6A23-47AC-ABF5-FE0DCCFEA40A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: SooperLooper AU ( was: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:50:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:50:28 +0000 (UTC) On 10 maj 2006, at 16.37, Jesse Chappell wrote: > And yes Per, proper latency compensation is almost there. Life keeps > interrupting. That's very cool! These days my G4 powerbook feels a bit for many "in- the-box" applications, but I can always loop with my stationary G5 :-) Any plans for optimizing the SooperLooper AU version for Intel Macs? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32F1A3BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:02:45 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07153E@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Thread-Index: AcZ0Qy0qctuZI4KYTBmHPmSmvlrryQAA4oZAAAEGIRA= From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Besides musicxp which is great, I also find these sites occasionally useful to find out what processes seen in Task Manager do: http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm http://www.tasklist.org/ You usually don't want to terminate things randomly, but it may identify applications you were't aware of running in the background. This is also a good tool to determine what gets run every time you boot. =20 http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/autoruns.html If you see something listed that doesn't identify a manufacturer,=20 it may be a piece of spyware. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:05:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C513BED8; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nMSsSW1x3qFhVG1nOmzn2JVnp8bfPXl9XSA8V8KWFF458mOu3gAh7Ak+FjrPxklo61ez5hJM34JeK0q1P3fS1xAFOiWyriw2BtI+1Vf7C0gh5X0JiuId7x56sTm5q6oz/plDE6m7MdVBOsW3j2mfjzPoWjs2hWK11rmMH6PakSE= In-Reply-To: <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:05:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <-F65DB.A.t4C.28gYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:05:11 +0000 (UTC) On 10 maj 2006, at 17.05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, offshoot question...or anyone using a PC based notebook. These > days PCs load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up > resources and cache memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is > critical or not. Anyone have any recommendations on what one can > remove from the startup menu of a brand new notebook? Or how does > one find out what all those programs do, which are cryptically > named and shown when you open your Task Manager and look in the > Processes tab? I must have had at least ten PC's but I never remember that. Each time I google up some "trim your audio PC walk-through". But with this last centrino lappy I just did not install stuff in the first place and I don't have any stability problems due to the background programs seen at the task bar. I have MacDrive installed so I can share Firewire drives with the Macs but it doesn't seem to interfere at all with Windows XP audio software. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:05:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849A23BEDA; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RcRqONvibitjznTAEl0c0lluuKQMb1rqXfhkEZFvKmmyJSWleASLKSE4minkBEMq3fi5GQ5EFEg25or6KwPgR0g3Ws+rT5MZ6a50mFtD77KaYokkkElh4t6nhsIrdvRXVRtSEjL/jPF0mqkBKVMvrcv5f8BuzBtx6hDCYyMYGDM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <5CE78117-6D53-41F9-8D12-A9B3D0C2BFF1@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <5CE78117-6D53-41F9-8D12-A9B3D0C2BFF1@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <22BDDE8F-2612-4606-9FEC-CE7113EC1CAB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pushing limits Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:59:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <25KucC.A.0_C.l9gYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:05:57 +0000 (UTC) On 10 maj 2006, at 16.53, Steve Lawson wrote: > That's not to say that clever looping tricks and musicality don't > overlap - they clearly do sometimes! - but for me it's a matter of > priorities. I've heard clever looping that works as music and I've > heard clever looping that sounds like crap (to me). Very well said! For the record, I own one of Steves albums and the reason I like it so much is because it does put the musical expression into focus and looping techniques is just one color of his palette. But I agree with Andy that it's great fun to push the limits when playing for my own pleasure without anyone else listening. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:11:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789023BEE0; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:11:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ0P8HPDRA2N2tZQgeWFRART92ImQADJQqg Message-Id: <20060510161132.73B2D3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Who was the designer? Was it Joe Waltz by any chance? > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:23 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review > > The designer at EH explained to me that they couldn't sort out a way > to create a file structure on the card to allow multiple loops to be > stored and recalled using the simple interface design of the 2880. > (rule number one: no multifunction buttons!). The thing that I love > about the 16 second delay reissue is that the loops can be pitched > -with a physical knob-!! The 2880 has this feature and also allows > you to record your manipulations to the 'mixdown track'... I thinkl > that the 2880 could be quite an inspiring instrument. > > > >Wow, sounds cool. What I don't get is why "Once you > >begin recording a New Loop, all of the files for the > >previous loop will be overwritten and you cannot > >retrieve them." > > > >Put in non volatile memory and then make it so that > >you can't ever get back to your previous loops? So > >what's the point? > > > >--- Costas Andreou wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone! > >> The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper > >> was delivered to me > >> recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a > >> small review for anyone > >> interested in this new looper. > >> > >> The 2880 is well designed and well build, with > >> quality knobs, pots and > >> faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected > >> and this is a plus, at > >> least for me. > >> > >> This is a user friendly machine - especially those > >> who are familiar with > >> any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel > >> at home right away. It > >> is great to have faders and pan pots for each > >> track/loop and control these > >> parameters in real time. > >> > >> The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, > >> no hiss, no artifacts, > >> no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom > >> before clipping and > >> they sound good with various sources. The converter > >> sounds nice - no cheap > >> digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and > >> clear and the faders > >> have that nice feel you expect when you need to do > >> smooth fade ins/outs, > >> small changes or big moves. > >> > >> Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple > >> mono or stereo loops can > >> be recorded of four different tracks and you are > >> free to mix everything > >> down to a stereo track to have the other ones > >> available for additional > >> work. You can move the faders and pan pots during > >> mixdown and everything > >> will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you > >> hear it. You can also > >> record onto the mixdown track as many times as you > >> like and keep the > >> previous stuff there, too. > >> > >> Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the > >> octave button and you are > >> also free to do bends up and down with the tempo > >> slider. The reverse > >> feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can > >> be active at the same > >> time. > >> > >> Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very > >> simple steps to follow. > >> If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, > >> there are no problems at > >> all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, > >> the 2880 becomes an > >> instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated > >> looper machine out > >> there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I > >> suggest you spend the > >> additional money to get the foot controller too, > >> because it really makes > >> live work easier and more fluid. You can't do > >> everything on the fly > >> without the controller, except if both of your hands > >> are free. > >> > >> Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync > >> succesfully to a sequencer or a > >> drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, > >> simple and effective. > >> > >> A metronome with its own level knob is also > >> included. It sounds like the > >> clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake > >> plastic snare here. This > >> click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to > >> assist the performer, but > >> it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The > >> metronome is output > >> through the headphones jack, allowing for further > >> dub style processing. > >> ;-) > >> > >> The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will > >> appreciate this. You > >> can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact > > > flash card is > >> displayed as an external hard drive. The files are > >> the standard .wav and > >> can be easily moved, for backup or further process. > >> > >> Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the > >> control and the power > >> to do things as fluidly as possible. > >> > >> Feel free to ask questions. > >> :-) > >> > >> Greetings from Athens > >> Costas > >> > >> http://www.costasandreou.com > >> contact@costasandreou.com > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:13:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32CE53BEE7; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3A4896DD-C2D0-4B46-8A1A-F42A591F099B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: MySpace address... Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:13:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <_-pDAC.A.BaD.REhYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:13:05 +0000 (UTC) oops, I missed out an s on my myspace address... doh! http://www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson try that Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1294A3BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=joB/m3Fu4kVPrEW0dns0y3bXTxpa3TtVtv85Fnb9qZDZCjZWakoNYSGrc/IkRUNGINK0ieGgj/+LiNcPTV2ZBppVGA50/r+IaslVSi/gFE2QoP8xtWiv//6CKqmR7EOg3kqAm0qQViSo3yDrYxS6Tkq02FZAVUbP2lhRoiE5m34= ; Message-ID: <20060510165143.33965.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060510161132.73B2D3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:51:46 +0000 (UTC) I can understand the interface thing, but with a thing that has midi in they could have easily made it something that could be called up via a midi message. I still think it's a huge oversite on what otherwise seems to be an amazing product. --- Bill Edmondson wrote: > Who was the designer? Was it Joe Waltz by any > chance? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles Zwicky > [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:23 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review > > > > The designer at EH explained to me that they > couldn't sort out a way > > to create a file structure on the card to allow > multiple loops to be > > stored and recalled using the simple interface > design of the 2880. > > (rule number one: no multifunction buttons!). The > thing that I love > > about the 16 second delay reissue is that the > loops can be pitched > > -with a physical knob-!! The 2880 has this feature > and also allows > > you to record your manipulations to the 'mixdown > track'... I thinkl > > that the 2880 could be quite an inspiring > instrument. > > > > > > >Wow, sounds cool. What I don't get is why "Once > you > > >begin recording a New Loop, all of the files for > the > > >previous loop will be overwritten and you cannot > > >retrieve them." > > > > > >Put in non volatile memory and then make it so > that > > >you can't ever get back to your previous loops? > So > > >what's the point? > > > > > >--- Costas Andreou > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello everyone! > > >> The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track > Looper > > >> was delivered to me > > >> recently. I am very happy with it, so here is > a > > >> small review for anyone > > >> interested in this new looper. > > >> > > >> The 2880 is well designed and well build, with > > >> quality knobs, pots and > > >> faders. It is smaller and lighter than I > expected > > >> and this is a plus, at > > >> least for me. > > >> > > >> This is a user friendly machine - especially > those > > >> who are familiar with > > >> any multitrack recorder or mixing console will > feel > > >> at home right away. It > > >> is great to have faders and pan pots for each > > >> track/loop and control these > > >> parameters in real time. > > >> > > >> The audio fidelity is great, no nasty > compression, > > >> no hiss, no artifacts, > > >> no degradation. The two inputs have lots of > headroom > > >> before clipping and > > >> they sound good with various sources. The > converter > > >> sounds nice - no cheap > > >> digital nastyness here. The panning is > accurate and > > >> clear and the faders > > >> have that nice feel you expect when you need > to do > > >> smooth fade ins/outs, > > >> small changes or big moves. > > >> > > >> Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. > Multiple > > >> mono or stereo loops can > > >> be recorded of four different tracks and you > are > > >> free to mix everything > > >> down to a stereo track to have the other ones > > >> available for additional > > >> work. You can move the faders and pan pots > during > > >> mixdown and everything > > >> will be recorded onto the mixdown track just > as you > > >> hear it. You can also > > >> record onto the mixdown track as many times as > you > > >> like and keep the > > >> previous stuff there, too. > > >> > > >> Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with > the > > >> octave button and you are > > >> also free to do bends up and down with the > tempo > > >> slider. The reverse > > >> feature is also great. Pitch change and > reverse can > > >> be active at the same > > >> time. > > >> > > >> Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with > very > > >> simple steps to follow. > > >> If you are experienced with overdub an punch > in, > > >> there are no problems at > > >> all. From the time you memorize the foot > controller, > > >> the 2880 becomes an > > >> instrument of its own - as with any other > dedicated > > >> looper machine out > > >> there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, > I > > >> suggest you spend the > > >> additional money to get the foot controller > too, > > >> because it really makes > > >> live work easier and more fluid. You can't do > > >> everything on the fly > > >> without the controller, except if both of your > hands > > >> are free. > > >> > > >> Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync > > >> succesfully to a sequencer or a > > >> drum machine. If you need this feature, it is > there, > > >> simple and effective. > > >> > > >> A metronome with its own level knob is also > > >> included. It sounds like the > > >> clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No > fake > > >> plastic snare here. This > > >> click sound can blend smoothly into the loops > to > > >> assist the performer, but > > >> it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. > The > > >> metronome is output > > >> through the headphones jack, allowing for > further > > >> dub style processing. > > >> ;-) > > >> > > >> The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone > will > > >> appreciate this. You > > >> can move audio files to/from a computer. The > compact > > > > flash card is > > >> displayed as an external hard drive. The files > are > > >> the standard .wav and > > >> can be easily moved, for backup or further > process. > > >> > > >> Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the > musician the > > >> control and the power > > >> to do things as fluidly as possible. > > >> > > >> Feel free to ask questions. > > >> :-) > > >> > > >> Greetings from Athens > > >> Costas > > >> > > >> http://www.costasandreou.com > > >> contact@costasandreou.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:53:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A666E3BEDB; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACu1YUSBS4crLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510175316.01bb6948@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Lawson myspace In-Reply-To: <20060510160557.E5A6D3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510160557.E5A6D3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:53:59 +0000 (UTC) At 17:05 10/05/2006, you wrote: >http://www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson > >Invalid Friend ID. >This user has either cancelled their membership, or their account >has been deleted. ?? Steve's still there, and still sounding good. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:56:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6303BEF1; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:56:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <-M4d2B.A.9PF.SthYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:56:51 +0000 (UTC) On May 10, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > These days PCs load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up=20= > resources and cache memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is=20 > critical or not. Gee, Kris, this isn't a problem with my Mac..... :-) Couldn't resist giving some love back.... cheers! Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 16:56:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62DEE3BEFA; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Pe6dWmEOohFf8b/U4ydAD5h1S3WM0AZuQHnnvA+GwCh5Kp8burqW8NncoIbh3+eneRswxtMM3YHt36TfHixcWXholRHNRdzHm31auu71n6xmJ1XBv24jBiaY+JK/DIyYasSV56rHNL+DMIKyxku9z6hfWNcnDavWOE4AVnoHTh4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:56:56 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper AU ( was: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius) In-Reply-To: <5B1E7265-6A23-47AC-ABF5-FE0DCCFEA40A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5B1E7265-6A23-47AC-ABF5-FE0DCCFEA40A@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e59dba2f72c3cdab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:56:57 +0000 (UTC) On 5/10/06, Per Boysen wrote: > That's very cool! These days my G4 powerbook feels a bit for many "in- > the-box" applications, but I can always loop with my stationary > G5 :-) Any plans for optimizing the SooperLooper AU version for > Intel Macs? Yes, the next release will definitely be universal. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 17:18:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53E93BEB6; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADi8YUSBS4crLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510175631.01be2a10@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:18:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: pushing limits In-Reply-To: <20060510160557.E5A6D3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510160557.E5A6D3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:18:44 +0000 (UTC) > >>>for some of us it just happens that our music pushes the hardware >to the limit, > >I guess we want to create music that couldn't have happened before.<<< > >that's great. I'm very interested in finding out what's possible with >a particular set up, exploring possibilities etc. It's just that when >it comes to actually playing for an audience, or recording music that >provides the soundtrack to my life, the cleverness of the looping >comes in a very poor 10th behind 9 levels of musical considerations. It hasn't really got anything to do with "clever looping", not for me anyway, I've been interested in musical structure long before I was into looping. When I was arranging for a band I put in all the daft jump cut changes you'd hear on my looping work. What I like to hear in a band is interaction. If there's a soloist, I want the supporting musicians to respond to it. So that's why the poor EDP gets pushed so hard. (and yes, the band were a bit traumatised too :-) andy butler www.andybutler.com mp3 www.myspace.com/livelooper ....has a track from my old band From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 17:45:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9175D3BEC2; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:48:36 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Krispen Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Message-ID: <71C55E366F6399A59DE80B0E@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: <004401c67445$03f9b620$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <004401c67445$03f9b620$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:45:40 +0000 (UTC) --On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:18 AM -0600 Krispen Hartung wrote: > I just upgraded my LP1 and noticed a new replace feature...sort of like > the EDP substitute function, right? I see two options for it, Replace and > Replace (with original, or something to that effect). Nice. Upgrades are always detailed on the Looperlative forum. So, the details are there. In short, the two replace functions allow you to replace either with or without the original being played one last time during the replace operation. The replace can also be assigned to note on and off MIDI messages to allow for momentary switch operation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 17:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B8483BEB6; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lX+jXhvzO9zUExRRlFy4iTG3JdhmcV09VXLrytYv1R2nTS7Ydo4OxUFlDkygEt0gqe0uwiuuARvQtUYpKLxkCVOCnKheZN2RXn/xwTZlYrvR6aTmJxGlnqhnaR/CjZ+2A5MgYwkgqZOknYJE9tpOdjg87DzwhffhscWVxymb0LI= ; Message-ID: <20060510175553.89436.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: pushing limits To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <22BDDE8F-2612-4606-9FEC-CE7113EC1CAB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:55:56 +0000 (UTC) I couldn't agree with you more Per. Honestly, I think the cool thing about the Looperlative is it's very elegent somewhat simple feature set, but large amount of capability. It's not in what it does, it's more about how you decide to control it. More importantly, what you put in the loop can be the focus of looping, even though I think we loopgeeks tend to gravitate towards inovative looping technique. Of all his albums, I like Andre LaFosse's first one best because the focus really was pure music and less about the manipulation of the EDP. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 10 maj 2006, at 16.53, Steve Lawson wrote: > > > That's not to say that clever looping tricks and > musicality don't > > overlap - they clearly do sometimes! - but for me > it's a matter of > > priorities. I've heard clever looping that works > as music and I've > > heard clever looping that sounds like crap (to > me). > > Very well said! For the record, I own one of Steves > albums and the > reason I like it so much is because it does put the > musical > expression into focus and looping techniques is just > one color of his > palette. > > But I agree with Andy that it's great fun to push > the limits when > playing for my own pleasure without anyone else > listening. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 17:59:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4104E3BEDF; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Tgcc00gaPS7VI8ia6M+kK66UOLBiYcxKiHjhwR8pj6xG964cLNtehyUZatsjg30myr+awCR5boWunrCnPnz7XKSJqrr3ZH8bgWUTWIkoHgo/UZ47AAmnx0gBodRjKqfA8DFpwoQTvQxnl6z4FcJBQghrwf4BLz9YggaBi+AXnos= ; Message-ID: <20060510175917.98960.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: SooperLooper AU ( was: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Can it also work without extra software too? Is swear I spent an evening trying to make it work with Digital Performer 4.6 as a host and I just couldn't seem to make it happen. --- Jesse Chappell wrote: > > G5 :-) Any plans for optimizing the > SooperLooper AU version for > > Intel Macs? > > Yes, the next release will definitely be universal. > > jlc > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:02:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24ECA3BEE4; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NpqKs+XRXoAMupqT+Zk1PeWdqCColehMZNC9dXfT15jOXUgdWT/G2pTdQzzX4a/+ECfbNH0KGeA9LytOBaiObeVolVx1647HJKYrqnkHeDmcKaFeb2YC6xETGWIN/Kmf1QRn5yekX+AFfbwL/PDtTqrZFq18c+OCvCAQQi3zvrY= Message-ID: <64b81a780605101102v6d673f17kc378679d6edd7a0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:02:00 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Actually, Jeff, same thing goes for OSX. Check out for a short list of the most common background processes. (By no means is this a complete list.) Being a Linux man myself, we too have a lot of stuff running that is unnecessary and possibly detrimental from an audio standpoint. The bottom line is that a modern computer, in order to deliver the experience most users desire (conciously or not), simply has to be doing very many things at the same time. Tuning a PC or Mac for a single function, audio or otherwise, is simply a matter of figuring out what functionality can you do without. Things like disk indexing, system restore checkpoints, task scheduling, or graphics eye candy are present in all modern operating systems in one form or another and for the most part are unnecessary for the task at hand. Having said that, I will say that OSX and Linux do seem to do a much better job allocating resources than XP so that those background processes don't do as much damage to percieved application performance. Todd On 5/10/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > On May 10, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > These days PCs load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up > > resources and cache memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is > > critical or not. > > > Gee, Kris, this isn't a problem with my Mac..... > > :-) > > Couldn't resist giving some love back.... > > cheers! > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:15:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023B83BEE8; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F7AyhO1BrgTWmwHz48iBKE6c/SOxBa7IZ9HHuzCHHj2iT8cfuEdGypzf+5Xra5Vzs1O55PGUcHINywGvAu6RidOaic0MI7M0znG2i0Eb4nn/u/VYxij5LWFS5ndSyuKwNJzVfshBah9ZUqxzi4gVNC7Kqtc93aphlBXzwTxv1ZI= ; Message-ID: <20060510181527.18681.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Looperlative 1st report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060510142220.4B0EE3BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Hell yes. I personally feel that in today's computer based music market, where soft synths/samplers and plug-in effects continue to push out dedicated hardware solutions, MIDI sync is KEY. If you record music on a computer, you probably need it. You may not even know you do, but you do. I think it's important for all the new loop tools to play well with computers and part of that will be things like MIDI sync and the ability to exchange loop audio data with your computer. Another reason is for the jamming potential. Sure, I can make cool music on my own with a non synced looper, but put another looper in the room and you have to either go arhythmic or loose the loopers unless they're midi synced (or you both have EDPs and can brother sync) When I last saw LOOP!STATION play I thought to myself, "gee, I wonder where this could go if they had loopers that would sync to each other?" I think it would really add a major facet to their music. --- Bill Edmondson wrote: > I'm midi sync user of lp1. what about potential lp1 > customers? Is midi sync > important to you? > > > > _____ > > From: Weg [mailto:theweg@netzero.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:02 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report > > > > Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync > improvements are worthwhile? If > even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% > of the installed user > base! (until the June batch ships, then we'll be > about 8%). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E14113BED6; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NuZe6hxGjSwV9FcEN0EdwHzqFRNBJewTEKGnBVpHDp8E525Pd/8hrMHkDtjgghINDelp6QAiWu4z0myMSd4bLglPU57ZTLhlftukXZMDtQFdYRptwGcoSA145ganeBBsXqmMJSOHR2MGXBshzM5xixGQW4Bo4S13h2LFDPDLPyw= ; Message-ID: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510113627.01b3ade8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Hey, this is just me reasking a question that someone else asked. The name of the thread was off, so I figured I'd repost it. So, is MIDI sync important to you? Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and keeping both loopers in sync? M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 823003BED8; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780605101102v6d673f17kc378679d6edd7a0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780605101102v6d673f17kc378679d6edd7a0e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:38:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Todd.....just having a little fun with Kris....I really think=20 that all platforms have their strengths, and really just depend on=20 taste anymore.... On May 10, 2006, at 11:02 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > > Having said that, I will say that OSX and Linux do seem to do a much > better job allocating resources than XP so that those background > processes don't do as much damage to percieved application > performance. Although that is good to know! best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:40:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7B943BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=isLrb3odGIJT/zoGESJTJdWMx+pBhNkpVgH7O4KM8zvfV//FyGJLfUXAwDls9ternGJRu8SJas+GWq0YDUeMPwcKUL5zL9ImdA9STiZK0mhkbWD9Q7M4RUzn8ug/2tSEbrLU2jJB8UvPf67ZDd+yJD1gdF01JZr0LSnnl3vuQFc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:40:51 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper AU ( was: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius) In-Reply-To: <20060510175917.98960.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060510175917.98960.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 14455cdbc46b6844 Resent-Message-ID: <42rsNC.A.efC.1OjYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:40:53 +0000 (UTC) On 5/10/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Can it also work without extra software too? Is swear > I spent an evening trying to make it work with Digital > Performer 4.6 as a host and I just couldn't seem to > make it happen. The standalone application uses JACK ( http://jackosx.com ), which can also be quite useful in its own right. No software host is necessary. However, you will need the Midi Patchbay application to connect any controllers to SL. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:49:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CB3D3BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014501c67462$665fa8c0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780605101102v6d673f17kc378679d6edd7a0e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:48:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 558, in=298535, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4dxn7.A.PRD.fWjYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:49:04 +0000 (UTC) ah hah...see Jeff? :) hah hah Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Actually, Jeff, same thing goes for OSX. Check out for a short list of the most common background processes. (By no means is this a complete list.) Being a Linux man myself, we too have a lot of stuff running that is unnecessary and possibly detrimental from an audio standpoint. The bottom line is that a modern computer, in order to deliver the experience most users desire (conciously or not), simply has to be doing very many things at the same time. Tuning a PC or Mac for a single function, audio or otherwise, is simply a matter of figuring out what functionality can you do without. Things like disk indexing, system restore checkpoints, task scheduling, or graphics eye candy are present in all modern operating systems in one form or another and for the most part are unnecessary for the task at hand. Having said that, I will say that OSX and Linux do seem to do a much better job allocating resources than XP so that those background processes don't do as much damage to percieved application performance. Todd On 5/10/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > On May 10, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > These days PCs load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up > > resources and cache memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is > > critical or not. > > > Gee, Kris, this isn't a problem with my Mac..... > > :-) > > Couldn't resist giving some love back.... > > cheers! > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:52:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58E63BED6; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015401c67462$d7ba84e0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:52:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 559, in=306993, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:52:13 +0000 (UTC) > So, is MIDI sync important to you? No. > Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? No. > Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and keeping both loopers > in sync? No....[yawn]....I like the all "naturale" approach....no training wheels. :) Are you compiling this data? Hey, we should be using a web tool for these polls. I actually love to see poll results for questions like this. It is useful usability data. Can you find one? The same for that thread we had on web vs. text/email based discussion groups. I love this type of data. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8566C3BEC2; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060510184904.ACE0E3BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510184904.ACE0E3BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: daviD Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:54:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <_alG6D.A.L0D.abjYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:54:19 +0000 (UTC) > De: mark sottilaro > Date: 10 mai 2006 20:30:51 GMT+02:00 > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? > > So, is MIDI sync important to you? Yup, it is. > Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? Indeed, it does :) > Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and > keeping both loopers in sync? Why not, but the first goal would be to be able to sync to another midi=20= clock (drum machine, sequencer, etc.) or to sync something else (drum=20 machine, gameboy, etc.) to the looper. "Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 18:56:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D02F3BEE7; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c67463$708b00a0$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <004401c67445$03f9b620$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <71C55E366F6399A59DE80B0E@[192.168.1.149]> Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:56:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:56:31 +0000 (UTC) the replace and substitute function in the EDP loopIV Claude > --On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:18 AM -0600 Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >> I just upgraded my LP1 and noticed a new replace feature...sort of like >> the EDP substitute function, right? I see two options for it, Replace and >> Replace (with original, or something to that effect). Nice. > > Upgrades are always detailed on the Looperlative forum. So, the details > are there. In short, the two replace functions allow you to replace > either with or without the original being played one last time during the > replace operation. The replace can also be assigned to note on and off > MIDI messages to allow for momentary switch operation. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 19:04:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 444B53BEE8; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018c01c67464$8e907020$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 556, in=293916, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:04:29 +0000 (UTC) This is great. I'll check out Jeff's sites too. Not that I need it, as my T60 is kicking butt, but the idea of stuff running in the background that I don't need, just bugs me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean, Hal " To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: RE: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Kris, see http://www.musicxp.net/. It looks like it has at least some of the compendium of advice about tuning an XP-based machine for audio that I found 4 years ago when I set up my Vaio. I was looking into how to turn off the power management features in XP, I think related to bypassing automatic IRQ assignments. I have a printout of that compendium, from Tweakers' Asylum, but looking today it was anything but obvious how to navigate to that now. I've since seen other similar instructions, but in my opinion they were not as comprehensive. Anyway it looks like the link I pasted in above will take you to a pretty comprehensive discussion of services and other issues related to maximizing the audio performance of an XP machine. You may not wish to do as much as I did, which eliminated any power saving, alerts about battery power and the like, and "disconnected" all means of going online. If this site doesn't satisfy you, take a look at what a search on "XP audio tweak" or something similar gets you. Howl Din -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu Per, offshoot question...or anyone using a PC based notebook. These days PCs load a lot of crap in the startup menu, which takes up resources and cache memory. Yet is is hard to determine what is critical or not. Anyone have any recommendations on what one can remove from the startup menu of a brand new notebook? Or how does one find out what all those programs do, which are cryptically named and shown when you open your Task Manager and look in the Processes tab? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius > On 10 maj 2006, at 07.15, mark t wrote: > >> I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am >> "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you >> seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know >> the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably >> without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So >> help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. >> thanks. > > > I have a PC laptop based on the centrino concept and it's fine for > Mobius. The CPU is a Pentium M 755, 2 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. I'm using an > Indigo Echo stereo (two in/outputs) sound card or a RME Multiface when I > need eight physical in/output + digital. Both are PCMCIS cardbus based. > MIDI is handled by a USB MIDI link (on MIDI in + one MIDI out). That's > totally glitch free and runs eight stereo tracks of as many loops I need. > I have no other software installed on the pc except for Mobius and some > other music application, just the plain XP service pack 2. No anti virus > and I never bring it onto the internet. > > Like you I do most of my work in OS X on Macs (I also have a g4 pbook > and > a dual G5) and I think that if I should have gotten into Mobius today I > wold have been looking for one of the new intel based Macs instead. It's > just so boring to travel with the PC laptop and don't have access to my > other fav tools like Logic, Metasynth, Numerology or Augustus Loop. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 19:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19B643BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:17:09 +0200 Subject: Re:Lawson myspace NP From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060510184904.ACE0E3BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <39sJC.A.A6E.rrjYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:11:40 +0000 (UTC) > Re:Lawson myspace http://www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson Works here From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 19:53:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F723BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008401c6746b$57a85490$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4461BBC1.5010303@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: recomended CD Grafic software Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:51:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:53:03 +0000 (UTC) you can grab my PSD files for CDs http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/PhotoshopCDCovers.rar Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: Re: recomended CD Grafic software > yes, and a quick-quick google provided these templates for inlays and > such: > http://www.copy-cd.biz/dtp-area/templates.jsp > > Joey wrote: >> Adobe Illustrator and/or Photoshop should be enough. >> >> >> On 5/10/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: >>> Hi gang, >>> i am gathering info on good software to start making >>> my own CD covers,ive used nero CD and similar bundles >>> but they all seem a bit mediocre,the lack the side >>> labels etc.anybody doing grafic design for their own >>> cds on this list? >>> thanx >>> Luis >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> >> >> . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 20:16:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456963BEC5; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060510.060220.11185.923268@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> References: <20060510.060220.11185.923268@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:16:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:16:23 +0000 (UTC) At 1:01 PM +0000 5/10/06, Weg wrote: >Quick survey: anyone else think MIDI sync improvements are >worthwhile? If even 5 of us say it's important, that's roughly 20% >of the installed user base! (until the June batch ships, then we'll >be about 8%). I'm keeping my eye on it, but the specifics with which I'm interested aren't probably the same as everybody else. Whereas most people, I think, are interested in slaving the Looperlative to MIDI clock, I'm interested in the LP-1's ability to act as a MIDI sync *master*. I'd like to be able to preset the number of bars (and time signature) I'm about to be playing into the Master Loop, then have the LP-1 begin generating MIDI clock as soon as I close that first loop. If that were implemented, I could record my first loop as an "intro", then have a drum machine (or any other MIDI-synced device) come in immediately [sic] synced-up to the proper tempo -- just as that first phrase begins to loop. Don't know whether that'll ever happen, but one can hope... --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 20:57:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1653BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446253CD.8080900@knology.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:57:49 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? References: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080802060609010603010801" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:57:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080802060609010603010801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mark sottilaro wrote: > So, is MIDI sync important to you? > > Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? > > Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and > keeping both loopers in sync? > I experiment a lot without MIDI sync, but to the majority of my public stuff, it is critical. It will influence future acquisitions. I'd love to experiment with other loopers in sync. As a note, in researching a band that uses Prop head's Reason, they say multiple members of the group use laptops on-stage with reason, but they opt to /not/ sync. Their experience is that if the laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go. Don't know what that's about or why it happens (other then 'musician' does not always equal 'technician'), but it has given me pause. dm -- www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery (no loop material; coming soon ... I hope) --------------080802060609010603010801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
mark sottilaro wrote:
So, is MIDI sync important to you?

Would it influence you to purchase your next looper?

Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and
keeping both loopers in sync?
  

I experiment a lot without MIDI sync, but to the majority of my public stuff, it is critical.  It will influence future acquisitions.  I'd love to experiment with other loopers in sync.

As a note, in researching a band that uses Prop head's Reason, they say multiple members of the group use laptops on-stage with reason, but they opt to not sync.  Their experience is that if the laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go.  Don't know what that's about or why it happens (other then 'musician' does not always equal 'technician'), but it has given me pause.
dm
--

www.myspace.com/precentor
www.music.download.com/danmontgomery
(no loop material; coming soon ... I hope)
--------------080802060609010603010801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:02:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F863BECD; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LKO4HrYvh/Mfz4Dclh57O9AzIMVkVzABJHq0LGXcSOcW3+tg9Z0cGlGHpBcnmsmwWYYktXm+YH0C0+n/wwrnajnTsZHCF3888pFY6HoIB9YtcPVBpzgll78IhdnrI16HQIrHMBGeVVqslu+jvc+U1UnD+XpS+LvmxFAdqpZQyyI= ; Message-ID: <20060510210241.66024.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Midi synch survey on Surveymonkey.com! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:02:42 +0000 (UTC) http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=617332130237 Have at it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:09:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFD713BEC2; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c501c67475$fc927490$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060510210241.66024.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Midi synch survey on Surveymonkey.com! Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:09:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 556, in=294133, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Nice! How about that web vs. email discussion group question. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: Midi synch survey on Surveymonkey.com! > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=617332130237 > > Have at it! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719AD3BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4lNGzuGOBIU5OZfrd+Hhot+QMSnta/7DE8ydmg1Gln69q/Om/msIsi0ZnrqVeSqsFQ9mZRgY2XQjNwXEgK8d27/71OXdtOmWP8alV7RMkQVuTzqCo9PxIXZDCRDGTe3taHKti4xBDP3BB5tBp7hUSYC34v1C2fvUFTTOfVtmql8= ; Message-ID: <20060510211117.80067.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: SooperLooper AU ( was: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah... that's where it all went kerflewy. I installed some Jack server software... spent an hour or so trying to make it happen and then finally gave up. I'd surely pay for looping software that was simple and easy to use but I won't lose more than a few hours trying to make a piece of freeware work. Is Jeff reading this too? Port Mobius to the Mac and I'd pay for it. It's amazing you can make software and give it away but if you ported it to the Mac and spruced it up a little (not that it doesn't already seem damn good if I can get the sync issue sorted out) and I'm entering my credit card. What you guys do is VALUEABLE. I love my friend Noah's saying about LINUX, (I don't know if he's quoting) "Those who say LINUX is free do not value their time." As a spoiled Mac user I need something that I can more or less double click on install and be up and running without a hitch. Mark --- Jesse Chappell wrote: > On 5/10/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Can it also work without extra software too? Is > swear > > I spent an evening trying to make it work with > Digital > > Performer 4.6 as a host and I just couldn't seem > to > > make it happen. > > The standalone application uses JACK ( > http://jackosx.com ), which can > also be quite useful in its own right. No software > host is necessary. > However, you will need the Midi Patchbay > application to connect any > controllers to SL. > > jlc > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:12:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAFB13BEDD; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013301c67476$726b85d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: bass and strum stick tunings Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:12:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:12:33 +0000 (UTC) oooooh, ooooooh, oooooh, ooooooh thank you for this post, Todd. I love Page's acoustic playing (especially on the entire Led Zepellin 3 record) and always wondered how he tuned (but never got off my ass to actually research it). I got an incredible deal on a 12 string guitar recently (It's a very nice hummingbird copy) and it's really sweet. I'm going right this minute to put it into that tuning. I just love drones, having played a lot of 3rd world ethnic music in my career for a very long time. Moving chords over static bass lines moving harmony by moving the bass line under static chords to create harmony is really beautiful to me. thanks, thanks, thanks!!!!! todd wrote: "Likewise, that's almost my favorite 6-string acoustic stell-string tuning: C G C G C D. Note that the top four strings are just a step lower. Of course, I can't take credit for this one as it's the tuning Jimmy Page used for the Rain Song and aparently now for most of his guitar playing.The beauty of this one is in the drones. Simple two-three finger chord shapes can be slid up and down the neck and wonderful harmonies against the drones can be found all over the place." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:15:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66B2C3BED8; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mSkaQZtb93WLbrmDg0Vy8HSekyxyytyOo37hW5l29i3umMQu6YXbfRyAIewwA9JgW2qHxOFUyl6wqDeCyyXX187x822G3/RN9GaiZ5YEakNMqeyZFSX78RWq1eJSAAEYg4TuWeEveKw+oijSHumuwbmuPvtvFVSEBcClQKrifto= ; Message-ID: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <446253CD.8080900@knology.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:15:26 +0000 (UTC) --- Dan Montgomery wrote: > As a note, in researching a band that uses Prop > head's Reason, they say multiple members of the > group use laptops on-stage with reason, but they opt > to /not/ sync. Their experience is that if the > laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go. That sounds silly to me. Two laptops synced via midi aren't awear of each other's presence in any way that could cause a sympathy crash. If one is slaved to the other and the leader crashes it could/would cause your software to stop. I've had Digital Performer crash and send out a wacky tempo message as it goes down causing my Repeater to go crazy. It ended up being a really weird beautiful moment. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 624943BEDD; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018501c67477$5197a220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MIDI sync survey Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:18:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Mark asked: "MIDI sync survey: is it important to you?" Yes, quite frankly, if the DL-4 Line 6 pro had midi syncrhonization I probably would not have acquired an Echoplex and a Repeater (although, I'm really glad now that I did.......and super stoked I got a Looperlative). I also own the whole Electrix line of syncable effects and basically just haven't been able to tour with them because they take up so much room and I can 't travel with two rack cases and a suitcase, but my fantasy is to have a completely synced looping setup. If had the budget, though, I'd do that in a heartbeat. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D66CD3BEDB; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:20:31 +0000 Message-Id: <051020062120.19198.4462591F000C7F6700004AFE2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) I seem to recall that at one time they made an actual bass E-Bow. Anybody else remember this or am I imagining it? Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 21:34:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3DA3BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gHnzu7/DU7kcmInXAGzGWDmdrY9yownhd5M7ftx6d0FbjnvvQtYGdskyVBOhFy5KCBaoWmygNGRfaS7C+Nu+jK4TdHwl71OYdMSv4D42E0P74HWaZZi0/JF5MoGj1y1KK+ObLLsW8JWIR54qYxuepXdeCd+1U1jzEllo0Pce8gA= ; Message-ID: <20060510213410.87796.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative 1st report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510090325.01aaf5e0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:34:12 +0000 (UTC) --- a k butler wrote: > hi Mark, > Is it not possible to achieve the effect you want by > muting > tracks rather than stopping them. > Surely the track can stay in sync by keeping running > silently. > > Or is it some other problem you have? Andy.. is there a question mark missing from that first sentence? I'm not sure what you mean. I think a "quantized mute" function would work perfectly. I don't care if the loop is actually stopped. I've gotten it to kind of do what I want so I know it's possible. I did it by sending a message to make the track's volume 0. Here's the issue, I want that message to be somehow cued to the loop point so I can say, "OK, at the end of this loop, mute it and start recording a new loop" and another message that "I'm done with this loop, mute it and switch to my first one." Word on the street is that Bob is working on this functionality as we type and it should be implemented soon. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 22:12:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD33F3BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iNGBRdJKUdSlifSleld2kx/OuyP2WhzhY+8gRckJSfv6cCC6MLofvW44LzZkyvnA+1VGd8Aq+ClQp4ydDE4VmUSDVD3Q62EfbrPRrNSqw6SDh5dDJO52c1Z/D7pRDV9hI/TxULTyGyayR197Cslv7o4F6+uKlENgZ3XHZIkB37g= Message-ID: <64b81a780605101512y263b3620o6199817a8afd356c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:15 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass and strum stick tunings In-Reply-To: <013301c67476$726b85d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <013301c67476$726b85d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:12:16 +0000 (UTC) :) You're welcome! There's another similar tuning I'll have to look up when I get home. It's used on almost the entirety of the Page & Plant "Unledded" album. (Which is to me damn close to musical nirvana...all the acoustic playing + Egyptian orchestra =3D out-of-this-Fing-world.) I'll get back to the list tonight with the tuning. Todd On 5/10/06, loop.pool wrote: > oooooh, ooooooh, oooooh, ooooooh > > thank you for this post, Todd. > > I love Page's acoustic playing (especially on the entire Led Zepellin 3 > record) > and always wondered how he tuned (but never got off my ass to actually > research it). > > I got an incredible deal on a 12 string guitar recently (It's a very nice > hummingbird copy) > and it's really sweet. > > I'm going right this minute to put it into that tuning. > > I just love drones, having played a lot of 3rd world ethnic music in my > career for a very long time. > Moving chords over static bass lines > > moving harmony by moving the bass line under static chords to create harm= ony > is really beautiful to me. > > thanks, thanks, thanks!!!!! > > > todd wrote: > "Likewise, that's almost my favorite 6-string acoustic stell-string > tuning: C G C G C D. Note that the top four strings are just a step > lower. Of course, I can't take credit for this one as it's the tuning > Jimmy Page used for the Rain Song and aparently now for most of his > guitar playing.The beauty of this one is in the drones. Simple two-three > finger > chord shapes can be slid up and down the neck and wonderful harmonies > against the drones can be found all over the place." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 22:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE1743BECD; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1940a5b04745070d9f43fa1638143fcc@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:28:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:28:52 +0000 (UTC) _yes_ midi sync is important to me. On May 10, 2006, at 4:15 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Dan Montgomery wrote: >> As a note, in researching a band that uses Prop >> head's Reason, they say multiple members of the >> group use laptops on-stage with reason, but they opt >> to /not/ sync. Their experience is that if the >> laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go. > That sounds silly to me. Two laptops synced via midi > aren't awear of each other's presence in any way that > could cause a sympathy crash. If one is slaved to the yeah. i've noticed alot of unsyncronised EM device abuse at trucker hat emo shows lately. quite a disturbing phenomenon. --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 22:31:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302FF3BED8; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o5o46zVA0HENfQTeSmnXrqHvh0H2jY+a0EEc5ZCcozjX8/TCqVUHXvGnk58cxgEpFAasUtFNxF1xybYUl0YW/IFGPoomLk93Iz7J2LqNwBhQA9M98Vf0sA28EkHmgJtXUeF/M2McWZuRrlOlZlT7mCJbLcYzq2O6vFFEX3dj5tQ= Message-ID: <913728d60605101531q1421170do84764bdac85018cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:31:57 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass tunings In-Reply-To: <000501c673a5$126cb4f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60605081431h4667ad0elf147253cf70acbef@mail.gmail.com> <000501c673a5$126cb4f0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:31:59 +0000 (UTC) very interesting... on a cool sidenote, as far as gear goes, you are my hero! I love every piece of gear you own! Charlie On 5/9/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > If you go to moinlabs.de, and then follow Moinlabs->MoinSound->MoinSound > Archives->rtbs solo, you'll find some tunes under the "SAUBER!" and > "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" header, where all string instruments (and = in > the latter case, some of the stuff which sounds like a synth) is that ver= y > bass, although on the SAUBER! album, it was still tuned one step higher i= f I > remember correctly. > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > > Gesendet: Montag, 8. Mai 2006 23:31 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: bass tunings > > > > I'd like to hear some songs where you use that tuning...that > > is really low! The weirdest bass tuning i've ever encountered > > (other than any of Michael Manrings crazy 100 different > > tunings per song tunings) was in fifths, like a standard bass > > only upside down (like a violin right?) and that was pretty > > wild...Another cool tuning i like is the one that a cool bass > > player named Jauqo III-X uses and that is C#, F#, B, and E, > > from low to high...and yes, that E is equal to the low E that > > bass players are used to :) if anyone ever finds the brown > > sound, it'll be Jauqo :) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 22:37:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99AA3BEDD; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZWJsDML80rt9+KQW4Z1g0E0s42p/otwKgFoybrzcyg1mA8cxw3TMsvmgf0LkCu04GGlf+USHhXYtwh7JGemoiEPtYC2BsfeVY6BtRN3b8NqIarmlbiNoGyos3SyTP00RIyMTMBDi7cCRg9hjplkhzQtbRlfSNrwcuSi+IPMR/Io= Message-ID: <913728d60605101537o30fcc038mfbadd5f33410bbb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:37:25 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? In-Reply-To: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510113627.01b3ade8@tiscali.co.uk> <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) > So, is MIDI sync important to you? no, but if i ever play with other people, it wouldn't hurt to have :) > Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? it would depend on all the other features...if it was something just plain amazing (like the echoplex or looperlative) (They are amazing to me) but it didn't have midi and the price (most important to me) was right, it wouldn't bother me > Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and > keeping both loopers in sync? yes, and to the second part it would have to depend on the music...if its something ambient, it wouldn't be a problem, if it was something structured, yes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 22:41:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 426073BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:46:43 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: mech , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Message-ID: <9D22C2F56F48B5A45358DD36@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:41:57 +0000 (UTC) --On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:16 PM -0500 mech wrote: > Whereas most people, I think, are interested in slaving the Looperlative > to MIDI clock, I'm interested in the LP-1's ability to act as a MIDI sync > *master*. That will happen, I simply didn't know how people wanted that to work. Your description is fairly complete and quite easy to implement. So, I will probably use it as the model that I will start with. I suspect that other people might prefer to tap a tempo and use that as a basis for recording. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:13:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9708E3BEB2; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <051020062120.19198.4462591F000C7F6700004AFE2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <051020062120.19198.4462591F000C7F6700004AFE2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:13:17 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 10 May 2006, Christophe wrote: > I seem to recall that at one time they made an actual bass E-Bow. > Anybody else remember this or am I imagining it? To the best of my knowledge, no, E-Bow has never been made for bass. The E-Bow website FAQ says the E-Bow works on bass, if you hold it correctly, but the spacing on the channel is designed for guitar. http://www.ebow.com/ebow/faq.htm#0020 The Gizmotron (invented by Godley and Creme, as in the group 10cc) came in guitar and bass versions though. Perhaps you're thinking of that. http://www.led-zeppelin.org/reference/index.php?m=gear (look at "Gizmotron", last in the Effects Units list http://www.beitec.com/articles/vintage/vintage4.html best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90FF33BECC; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r8Ty5OB5+DiHAx7D6WWAq29pzvEo8SmB5jlrhT4DSmLlu+2e2kvgWEhHl1mK72+TTg1KF7JKhUcyH7okrMxHqgA4iD79l9mw4dZnniWXXKrV90dJs6HKhm4jFk518mfu56bCBnQfKI6NDP4Vv4lUdgoOL5Ei8Lpw/dJ4C0CbYGs= ; Message-ID: <20060510231614.20881.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <62fc8c1635708678d78d1af5a2d0d17d@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <65dNCD.A.caC.ARnYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:16:16 +0000 (UTC) --- Jeff Kaiser wrote: > What about a new mac laptop, and when you want to > run mobius, bootup > windows in bootcamp....? > > Just an idea, I've never done it, has anybody out > there? There's a rumor going round that people have had success using XP on a Macbook with Ableton's Live but no one seems to have tried it yet on Mobius. Sounds promising though. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On May 9, 2006, at 10:15 PM, mark t wrote: > > > I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 > powerbook and a g5. I am > > "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use > Mobius. Any of you > > seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and > affordable. You know > > the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 > stereo loops comfortably > > without gliches and crashes and to much stress on > the machine. So > > help me out whats a good solid machine to use for > soley Mobius. thanks. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 658F13BECA; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9D22C2F56F48B5A45358DD36@[192.168.1.149]> References: <9D22C2F56F48B5A45358DD36@[192.168.1.149]> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:22:18 -0500 To: Bob Amstadt , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:22:22 +0000 (UTC) At 3:46 PM -0700 5/10/06, Bob Amstadt wrote: >--On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:16 PM -0500 mech wrote: > >>Whereas most people, I think, are interested in slaving the Looperlative >>to MIDI clock, I'm interested in the LP-1's ability to act as a MIDI sync >>*master*. > >That will happen, I simply didn't know how people wanted that to >work. Your description is fairly complete and quite easy to >implement. So, I will probably use it as the model that I will >start with. I suspect that other people might prefer to tap a tempo >and use that as a basis for recording. Gods, I love this box! Bob, you rock!!!! ;) I was thinking about this a little more this afternoon, and was wondering about a tweak to my original post that would, I think, make things more simple for you -- programming-wise -- and more flexible in use. I had mentioned entering a number of bars and a time signature for the MIDI sync. This is, obviously, necessary for calculation of the MIDI Clock tempo. What if, instead, you simply entered a number of "beats". Four measures of 4/4 would be 16 beats; likewise for eight measures of 2/4. Four measures of 3/4 would be 12 beats, but you get the picture: pretty elementary. This would fit in more cohesively with tap tempo, too. Not only would this be simpler and more flexible to implement but (and you know I always start to go "farther" with these things) you could get some really cool effects if the Clock would recalculate the tempo when you enter new values -- the synced gear would follow the new tempo, while the recorded loops remain at the same length/tempo at which they were originally recorded (more polyrhythms!). Also, there's the possibility for some really interesting tweaks involving how recorded tracks may or may not lock to the new value (re-trigger loop at boundary?). Okay, I'm off in Gear-LaLa-Land again. But I, like so many others, really appreciate the time and flexibility you're putting into your product, Bob. Thanks again!!! :) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:22:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB373BED3; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yvIOXF60H/rtJKvGn7KotqZgdDJxzWFKmxKzlFF93eebszZbJxiVwOR72I3jAaRoOeHrm1pTmSKnXwGfNgJMFLZifTMFm2XPdUsTMM1tdljwCSB/1016XWfaWhE3zniy1a+2ouBAWPtFs0bREHLqB2cbMPsKzQ2YgsWOeqgyOlE= ; Message-ID: <20060510232238.24178.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:22:39 +0000 (UTC) >From a forum on Mac-tel computers and music... "Installed XP on our office test iMac yesterday. Was up and running on our wireless network pretty painlessly. Then installed drivers for TranzPort, installed Sonar 5, and the US-122. Bottom line: everything worked. It’s a test/development machine and I’m not using it to create music so I can’t tell you if all of the plugins worked or how performance is. I experimented with another usb device (alpha hardware/software) and managed to crash windows a couple of times, so there might still be a few kinks to work out. Overall it’s pretty impressive." here's the original story: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/04/05/dual-boot-windows-on-apple-hardware-run-music-apps/#more-1272 --- mark t wrote: > I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook > and a g5. I am > "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use > Mobius. Any of you > seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and > affordable. You know > the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo > loops comfortably > without gliches and crashes and to much stress on > the machine. So > help me out whats a good solid machine to use for > soley Mobius. > thanks. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:27:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1586A3BEC2; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <9D22C2F56F48B5A45358DD36@[192.168.1.149]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A30D3D0-0DB6-4C25-BE3C-93660444BD8C@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: Looperlative 1st report Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:26:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:27:03 +0000 (UTC) this is exactly how my reaktor looping is done. and i tap tempo. the one thing i hate about it is when going for 7/8 or 15/16 anything like that, i still tap quarter notes. not that i want to tap 16ths but sometimes i'd like to tap 8ths. Maybe i can make it a little smarter and have it decipher based on the tap speed and signature. we'll see. - b On May 10, 2006, at 7:22 PM, mech wrote: > What if, instead, you simply entered a number of "beats". Four > measures of 4/4 would be 16 beats; likewise for eight measures of > 2/4. Four measures of 3/4 would be 12 beats, but you get the > picture: pretty elementary. This would fit in more cohesively with > tap tempo, too. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E353BED0; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oSa8EmvXXVxTPjautitbUxBZD8Acy2nlWe+VxHLhOI+u3V45N2YtoY14Y1l8b7Khc4XB2qowv9JAcLohyR9pQepiJdlp94DQFPclU1PQDhMTs5P6Hjxxgo7WSgmML1k6NfiyNRUfYVPIcBXU/ww8BgFcC4nXSlDlhhPeOpsNm2Q= Message-ID: <913728d60605101639g4fee0de2q189b66b5a85ad7b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:39:27 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <051020062120.19198.4462591F000C7F6700004AFE2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <051020062120.19198.4462591F000C7F6700004AFE2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Well, according the Michael Manring, the bass ebow guru said that there was never a mass production of bass ebows, however, there was a prototype, but from what i have heard, the testers didn't like it because they were already used to the guitar version, so the bass version wasn't very worthwhile...i agree, because i can still use my ebow on my electric bass, i kinda want to mod it for 18V as well, but it's not that big of a deal for me :) Charlie On 5/10/06, Christophe wrote: > I seem to recall that at one time they made an actual bass E-Bow. Anybod= y else remember this or am I imagining it? > > Chris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 10 23:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3803BEB8; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=AbLbJ6GJewDuHIoDWkq/lrd7NVDlCmtcMDU4mg0C8xM9kdvcQmEr3LMP3fY7mcLzw34Yl5gsJCpn7+Sg9tj3G7xZCvsqEWrw3HRttmqGPyi/dbfxLMhxwgHGW/0XqdpKdlrQqjYWcCOssvOejsP+P3luSh1818pe5+wYsNPomAY= Message-ID: <913728d60605101646g7462a43ar5a8ded142ced7a76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:46:32 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cool cello multitracking video MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Hello fellow loopers! I don't know if this counts as looping or multitracking, but i've seen some cool videos like this being sent around LD, so here is a guy playing a 37 part cello piece by himself :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgsavk0FX3Ro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 00:34:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40C773BED3; Thu, 11 May 2006 00:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <42a.979375.3193e074@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:33:56 EDT Subject: Re: nu zoom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42a.979375.3193e074_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:34:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_42a.979375.3193e074_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/8/06 2:14:37 AM, gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk= =20 writes: > http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g92tt/=A0 >=20 gareth.....please keep us posted!.....thnax.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_42a.979375.3193e074_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 --part1_42a.979375.3193e074_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 00:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2BE33BEC5; Thu, 11 May 2006 00:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446288F0.1000304@knology.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:44:32 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? References: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040306000009090205000701" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:44:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040306000009090205000701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Dan Montgomery wrote: > >> Their experience is that if the >> laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go. >> > That sounds silly to me. Two laptops synced via midi > aren't awear of each other's presence in any way that > could cause a sympathy crash. If one is slaved to the > other and the leader crashes it could/would cause your > software to stop. I've had Digital Performer crash > and send out a wacky tempo message as it goes down > causing my Repeater to go crazy. It ended up being a > really weird beautiful moment. > That was was my first reaction. In fact, I cannot fathom how 5 people with various instrument and three different laptops doing structure music could spontaneously engage and disengage rhythmic loops, mostly percussive, within a performance without being synced somehow. But, this was their reported interview. Just thought I'd throw it out for general discussion. dm www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery --------------040306000009090205000701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
mark sottilaro wrote: 
--- Dan Montgomery <dmont@knology.net> wrote:
  
Their experience is that if the
laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go. 
    
That sounds silly to me.  Two laptops synced via midi
aren't awear of each other's presence in any way that
could cause a sympathy crash.  If one is slaved to the
other and the leader crashes it could/would cause your
software to stop.  I've had Digital Performer crash
and send out a wacky tempo message as it goes down
causing my Repeater to go crazy.  It ended up being a
really weird beautiful moment.
That was was my first reaction.  In fact, I cannot fathom how 5 people with various instrument and three different laptops doing structure music could spontaneously engage and disengage rhythmic loops, mostly percussive, within a performance without being synced somehow.  But, this was their reported interview.

Just thought I'd throw it out for general discussion.


dm 
www.myspace.com/precentor
www.music.download.com/danmontgomery
--------------040306000009090205000701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 07:18:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59E833BEC2; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CABGBYkSBS4cqLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060511081242.01bddad0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:18:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Re: Looperlative 1st report In-Reply-To: <20060510223159.A22893BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060510223159.A22893BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:18:16 +0000 (UTC) At 23:31 10/05/2006, you wrote: > > hi Mark, > > Is it not possible to achieve the effect you want by > > muting > > tracks rather than stopping them. > > Surely the track can stay in sync by keeping running > > silently. > > > > Or is it some other problem you have? > >Andy.. is there a question mark missing from that >first sentence? indeed, at least it's correctly capitalised for a change > I'm not sure what you mean. I think >a "quantized mute" function would work perfectly. I >don't care if the loop is actually stopped. I've >gotten it to kind of do what I want so I know it's >possible. I did it by sending a message to make the >track's volume 0. > >Here's the issue, I want that message to be somehow >cued to the loop point so I can say, "OK, at the end >of this loop, mute it and start recording a new loop" >and another message that "I'm done with this loop, >mute it and switch to my first one." right, so it's possible to achieve the musical effect effect you want. ...but you'd have to hit the button at the right time. er...........? >Word on the street is that Bob is working on this >functionality as we type and it should be implemented >soon. ?you keeping it then >Mark andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 07:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36E83BEC1; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4462E656.4050803@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:23:02 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? References: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060510211525.71734.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:23:14 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Dan Montgomery wrote: > >> As a note, in researching a band that uses Prop >> head's Reason, they say multiple members of the >> group use laptops on-stage with reason, but they opt >> to /not/ sync. Their experience is that if the >> laptops are linked and one crashes, they all go. > > That sounds silly to me. Two laptops synced via midi > aren't awear of each other's presence in any way that > could cause a sympathy crash. If one is slaved to the > other and the leader crashes it could/would cause your > software to stop. and in a live situation you definitely don't want that. Which is why many smart people use an external drum machine to control all connected slaves. Andreas / sync-whore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 07:47:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E466C3BED0; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re:Re: Re:e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:47:40 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <5471y.A.yWE.gwuYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:47:44 +0000 (UTC) I kind of remember that bass model as well, but it isn't mentioned on their site..... Also I know people are using the Ebow on grand piano and always thought that the standard size model would be kind of small for that (mainly the spacing). Has anyone tried that yet? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 09:12:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A308F3BED3; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:12:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <4462E656.4050803@post.cybercity.dk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-ZOBjC.A.pG.7_vYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:12:27 +0000 (UTC) " Which is why many smart people use an external drum machine to control all connected slaves" Wow, I must be smart, my little Roland drum machine seems to be the most stable clock device of any of my midi devices (RPTR,EDP,LP-1). It seems to drive everything better than any of the afore mentioned loopers. To be honest I haven't tried much syncing of the LP-1, having too much fun with the independent loop capability of the LP-1, and also still getting the hang of the EDP which I'm also very new to. Thrilling stuff. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 10:31:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36B163BEB8; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:30:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44631250.9070200@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <7hMb9C.A.5cC.EKxYEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:31:33 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 13 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 15:43:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45463BEB8; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038701c67511$a8cae1c0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Looking for my next Ninjam partner Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:43:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 559, in=307810, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:43:36 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for my next Ninjam partner...I have access to a new server that supports the software, plus I can stream to the group from my Shoutcast server. Anyone interested? I want to start getting serious about virtual performance with folks on this group and recording them. I don't have the time or resources to travel all over the world with a day job and twins at home, but I can sure do it this way! Send me a note if you are interested. I plan to do one jam a month, potentially two. This will be all free improv stuff...I can talk more about approach later. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 15:47:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17323BECD; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IvpixFLv9DG6DxvJMN6+1c7RUH/8M2hTrFZpkrVO9GpdZVvhBt9ztXoyn14NTKIo2weJ+WLcNRR55LI8CR+N6gICL2uFkCZ5KCuVqFiQSjMHpoChS25jo1jYCxw8m0D/rb5q8FJKUdHYDsqDVsjxEyxVWt2SBHLCuuyKnjQRVxA= ; Message-ID: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060510223159.A76FF3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:47:50 +0000 (UTC) > So, is MIDI sync important to you? Currently, no > Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? Currently, no > Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and keeping both loopers in sync? Currently, no. What I don't get (my naivite is showing here) is why MIDI sync is valuable. I should state here that I don't ever play with drum machines or prerecorded beats or even sequencers. I do live improv stuff. Also, like Rick Walker, I have the entire line of Electrix boxes and I use them all the time. How would MIDI sync be useful to me in having these boxes MIDI-interact with each other? I guess I know that I can have MIDI sync delays running at different timings yet still synced up. That effect has yet to do much for me except as an intellectual curiousity. Same thing goes for MIDI syncing my Repeater up to incoming signals. Musically, I'm much more drawn to things that are NOT synced up. One of the things that interests me about the Looperlative is that you can have 8 non-synced loops going at once, and the interaction between them will never sound the same way twice. Even with two non-synced loops. So this is kinda like that mailing-list vs. message board debate that seemed to go nowhere last month. Before debating the "this is better than that", how about a thorough discussion of what MIDI sync can offer. Even the most MIDI seasoned among us might learn a thang or two... So is MIDI sync important to me? Not at all... at this time. I don't have a clue what I would do with it. Perhaps I'm just not seeing the potential? Enlighten me please. How many different ways do YOU find MIDI sync useful? Respectfully, Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 15:56:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EA83BED8; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039c01c67513$7d48a8a0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:56:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 559, in=299407, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Basically, as I see it, MIDI sync makes it easy to play with other human beings or machines and all be synced up to the same meter framework. That way, you could be playing a drum machine and looping along with it, without experiencing sync drift...and the same with playing with humans, though I personally think this is cheating. :) Like you, I prefer the free approach with no fixed meter constraints....although I suppose if I were looping with someone else, and we both wanted to contribute metered loops to the mix, we would need to sync via MIDI, otherwise....drift. However, I have some friends here in Boise who loop together with the Boss looping units, no syncing, and they don't mind the minor drifting...they like it, in fact. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? > >> So, is MIDI sync important to you? > > Currently, no > >> Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? > > Currently, no > >> Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and keeping both >> loopers in sync? > > Currently, no. > > What I don't get (my naivite is showing here) is why MIDI sync is > valuable. I should state > here that I don't ever play with drum machines or prerecorded beats or > even sequencers. I do live > improv stuff. Also, like Rick Walker, I have the entire line of Electrix > boxes and I use them all > the time. How would MIDI sync be useful to me in having these boxes > MIDI-interact with each > other? I guess I know that I can have MIDI sync delays running at > different timings yet still > synced up. That effect has yet to do much for me except as an > intellectual curiousity. Same > thing goes for MIDI syncing my Repeater up to incoming signals. > Musically, I'm much more drawn to > things that are NOT synced up. One of the things that interests me about > the Looperlative is that > you can have 8 non-synced loops going at once, and the interaction between > them will never sound > the same way twice. Even with two non-synced loops. > > So this is kinda like that mailing-list vs. message board debate that > seemed to go nowhere > last month. Before debating the "this is better than that", how about a > thorough discussion of > what MIDI sync can offer. Even the most MIDI seasoned among us might > learn a thang or two... > > So is MIDI sync important to me? Not at all... at this time. I don't > have a clue what I > would do with it. Perhaps I'm just not seeing the potential? Enlighten > me please. How many > different ways do YOU find MIDI sync useful? > > Respectfully, > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 16:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 500663BECD; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <913728d60605101646g7462a43ar5a8ded142ced7a76@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: cool cello multitracking video Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 16:42:39.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA2BA980:01C67519] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:42:41 +0000 (UTC) pretty cool! I like how he's wearing different shirts for each loop. Hans Lindauer, paging Hans Lindauer... Jon >some cool videos like this being sent around LD, so here is a guy >playing a 37 part cello piece by himself :) >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsavk0FX3Ro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 16:49:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9565B3BEB8; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BnlHldU35ulJQyFYkcRKR0LFtvwpFHAXcQ1yMEgLh8nJxyPx8Bh1jcvwhTpIsnvKycQJ2DHiv4rjQQM1wGuJ3ZH8vr7uv6sr002r5GMW8YlJnm9rTzKE0mFi5hcVddv3sOHxMMsCnKsN1dZizs9fSO0OUMnugHwn16IsdZ5TFPg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D8E0B75-2212-4CC5-95B5-E5F9EF2C78F4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:49:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:49:31 +0000 (UTC) On 11 maj 2006, at 17.47, S V G wrote: > How many > different ways do YOU find MIDI sync useful? There are different kinds of MIDI sync. The one I like to use for live looping is MIDI Clock. MTC (Midi Time Code) is too "advanced" for my taste, since I like to chop stuff up on-the-fly and not depend on where the downbeat used to be some moments earlier. I don't always run loops synced, but I like to have the option at hand. I really like to play in a free flowing meter and to bring it all in and out of a steady beat. MIDI Clock provides the underlying grid that makes it possible to morph between chaos and rhythm. This also applies for jamming with other musicians. But the looping style all depends on the function of the EDP and Mobius to immediately redefine the tempo by chopping a loop after the tempo you play in - instead of having to adapt your playing to a tempo. During the last years I have constantly minimized my looping rig and now it's only an external TC Electronics FireworX effect processor and a laptop running the eight track Mobius looper. Mobius does generate a MIDI Clock signal for the tempo of my first created loop (like the EDP also does). The sync signal is fed into the FireworX so I can use dynamic effects that relates to the tempo I'm playing in. This does not mean that "effect's is stuttering in a static way", since I have taken care to program expression pedals to "sweep" the tempo relation (effect vs main tempo, manipulating the tempo relation coefficient while busy playing). The idea is to extend the music instrument with an effect system that can create poly rhythmic movement so the musician can play two lines in one go: the source line and the effect line. Just like the piano player concept, where you do two pars simultaneously; one line with each hand. But here I use the MIDI expression pedal for the complementary part. This would not work without MIDI Clock. On the next level this mangled sound goes into the looper and well inside Mobius I have many scripts (assigned to pedal buttons) that do similar stuff to either the live input signal, the recorded loop or both in combination. Another use for MIDI Clock is to synchronize different software applications. One example is when looping in Augustus Loop using Ableton Live as the host application (the looper opened as an AU plug- in). Then I may want to set the tempo from my playing (as opposed to playing to the tempo) and the way to do this is to let Augustus Loop generate a MIDI Clock signal, according to the tempo indicated by the loop length, and have the host application sync to this MIDI Clock signal (done all inside OS X). The same goes for running Mobius as a VST plug-in and having it follow the tempo you play in (then you have to use MIDI Yoke, since Windows XP doesn't support system MIDI streaming). When using an EDP to set the tempo for other loopers, MIDI Clock is also essential. As you see MIDI Clock is the technology that makes it possible to free your playing from rigid tempo definitions and still keep the option to create a tempo grid from your playing. I do not understand the argument that "sync calls for pre-recorded stuff". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 17:09:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2617B3BED3; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N47d9unsG+tIzD1M7tAXLKBUMMGiO0qRDsw+dGmoADhB0bVww1dGugPsBRXfx5DtJG31+eCSOZH728X5miOXOGp0kxWdfGatbEswwGJyK4cCsCPIPTyXrP5b+6tivnASfcx4I8YXJR2ttlycq3LOTM7yTCMVQHAHDMBNmIOIeUU= Message-ID: <64b81a780605111009ndf741ads4d08910f48eeb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:09:20 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass and strum stick tunings In-Reply-To: <64b81a780605101512y263b3620o6199817a8afd356c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15602_8601809.1147367360446" References: <013301c67476$726b85d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <64b81a780605101512y263b3620o6199817a8afd356c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15602_8601809.1147367360446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Okay, the tuning I was thinking of is D A D G A D. I call this the Kashmir tuning as that's how I first learned it. I believe this is also the tuning for White Summer/Black Mountain side and a host of other songs. On the No Quarter/Unledded album, I'm able to play about half the songs in this tunin= g including the deliciously slow and slinky version of Nobody's Fault But Min= e that opens it up. This is another tuning with great drone potential, though the fingerings ar= e a bit spidery thanks to that G string. On occasion I've just tuned that right up to A, in unison with the 2nd string. It gives the fingers a break= , but you obviously lose that Sus4 underlying resonance. Another one that I haven't played with much is the Friends tuning, C G C G = C E. I just found it on a quick look-up and I'm surprised how close it is to the Rain Song. I'll have to play with that one tonight. :) Drone on, Todd On 5/10/06, Todd Pafford wrote: > > :) You're welcome! There's another similar tuning I'll have to look > up when I get home. It's used on almost the entirety of the Page & > Plant "Unledded" album. (Which is to me damn close to musical > nirvana...all the acoustic playing + Egyptian orchestra =3D > out-of-this-Fing-world.) I'll get back to the list tonight with the > tuning. > > Todd > > > On 5/10/06, loop.pool wrote: > > oooooh, ooooooh, oooooh, ooooooh > > > > thank you for this post, Todd. > > > > I love Page's acoustic playing (especially on the entire Led Zepellin 3 > > record) > > and always wondered how he tuned (but never got off my ass to actually > > research it). > ------=_Part_15602_8601809.1147367360446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Okay, the tuning I was thinking of is D A D G A D.  I call this the Ka= shmir tuning as that's how I first learned it.  I believe this is also= the tuning for White Summer/Black Mountain side and a host of other songs.=   On the No Quarter/Unledded album, I'm able to play about half the so= ngs in this tuning including the deliciously slow and slinky version of Nob= ody's Fault But Mine that opens it up.

This is another tuning with great drone potential, though the finge= rings are a bit spidery thanks to that G string.  On occasion I've jus= t tuned that right up to A, in unison with the 2nd string.  It gives t= he fingers a break, but you obviously lose that Sus4 underlying resonance.

Another one that I haven't played with much is the Friends tuning, = C G C G C E.  I just found it on a quick look-up and I'm surprised how= close it is to the Rain Song.  I'll have to play with that one tonigh= t. :)

Drone on,
Todd


On 5/10/0= 6, Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
:)  You're welcome!  There's another similar tuning I'l= l have to look
up when I get home.  It's used on almost the en= tirety of the Page &
Plant "Unledded" album.  (W= hich is to me damn close to musical
nirvana...all the acoustic playing + Egyptian orchestra =3D
out-of-this-= Fing-world.)  I'll get back to the list tonight with the
tunin= g.

Todd


On 5/10/06, loop.pool < looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> oooooh, ooooooh, oooooh, ooooooh=
>
> thank you for this post, Todd.
>
> I love Page= 's acoustic playing (especially on the entire Led Zepellin 3
> record= )
> and always wondered how he tuned (but never got off my ass to actu= ally
> research it).

------=_Part_15602_8601809.1147367360446-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 17:13:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C424D3BEDB; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6751E.30FB0CB7" Subject: RE: bass and strum stick tunings Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bass and strum stick tunings Thread-Index: AcZ1HadYMuypKbemS7iLyVVnnJWLrgAABoSg From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 17:13:16.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[313A70A0:01C6751E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:13:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6751E.30FB0CB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DADGAD was invented by British guitarist Davey Graham and is used by many of the great guitarists from the British folk scene, including Bert Jansch... whom Page has acknowledged as a huge influence. =20 Graham's recordings are a mixed bag but the best of his stuff is really great, an EXTREMELY early sort of fusion. =20 Howl Din -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass and strum stick tunings =09 =09 Okay, the tuning I was thinking of is D A D G A D. I call this the Kashmir tuning as that's how I first learned it. I believe this is also the tuning for White Summer/Black Mountain side and a host of other songs. On the No Quarter/Unledded album, I'm able to play about half the songs in this tuning including the deliciously slow and slinky version of Nobody's Fault But Mine that opens it up.=20 =09 This is another tuning with great drone potential, though the fingerings are a bit spidery thanks to that G string. On occasion I've just tuned that right up to A, in unison with the 2nd string. It gives the fingers a break, but you obviously lose that Sus4 underlying resonance.=20 =09 Another one that I haven't played with much is the Friends tuning, C G C G C E. I just found it on a quick look-up and I'm surprised how close it is to the Rain Song. I'll have to play with that one tonight. :) =09 Drone on, Todd =09 =09 =09 On 5/10/06, Todd Pafford wrote:=20 :) You're welcome! There's another similar tuning I'll have to look up when I get home. It's used on almost the entirety of the Page & Plant "Unledded" album. (Which is to me damn close to musical nirvana...all the acoustic playing + Egyptian orchestra =3D out-of-this-Fing-world.) I'll get back to the list tonight with the tuning. =09 Todd =09 =09 On 5/10/06, loop.pool < looppool@cruzio.com > wrote: > oooooh, ooooooh, oooooh, ooooooh > > thank you for this post, Todd. > > I love Page's acoustic playing (especially on the entire Led Zepellin 3 > record)=20 > and always wondered how he tuned (but never got off my ass to actually > research it). =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6751E.30FB0CB7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
DADGAD was invented by British guitarist Davey Graham = and is used=20 by many of the great guitarists from the British folk scene, including = Bert=20 Jansch... whom Page has acknowledged as a huge = influence.
 
Graham's recordings are a mixed bag but the best of his = stuff is=20 really great, an EXTREMELY early sort of = fusion.
 
Howl Din
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd = Pafford=20 [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 = 1:09=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 bass and strum stick tunings

Okay, the tuning I = was=20 thinking of is D A D G A D.  I call this the Kashmir tuning as = that's how=20 I first learned it.  I believe this is also the tuning for White=20 Summer/Black Mountain side and a host of other songs.  On the No=20 Quarter/Unledded album, I'm able to play about half the songs in this = tuning=20 including the deliciously slow and slinky version of Nobody's Fault = But Mine=20 that opens it up.

This is another tuning with great drone = potential,=20 though the fingerings are a bit spidery thanks to that G string.  = On=20 occasion I've just tuned that right up to A, in unison with the 2nd=20 string.  It gives the fingers a break, but you obviously lose = that Sus4=20 underlying resonance.

Another one that I haven't played with = much is=20 the Friends tuning, C G C G C E.  I just found it on a quick = look-up and=20 I'm surprised how close it is to the Rain Song.  I'll have to = play with=20 that one tonight. :)

Drone on,
Todd


On 5/10/06, Todd=20 Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
:)  You're=20 welcome!  There's another similar tuning I'll have to = look
up=20 when I get home.  It's used on almost the entirety of the = Page=20 &
Plant "Unledded" album.  (Which is to me damn = close to=20 musical
nirvana...all the acoustic playing + Egyptian orchestra=20 =3D
out-of-this-Fing-world.)  I'll get back to the list = tonight=20 with the
tuning.

Todd


On 5/10/06, loop.pool = < looppool@cruzio.com>=20 wrote:
> oooooh, ooooooh, oooooh, ooooooh
>
> = thank you=20 for this post, Todd.
>
> I love Page's acoustic playing=20 (especially on the entire Led Zepellin 3
> record)
> = and always=20 wondered how he tuned (but never got off my ass to actually
> = research=20 it).

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6751E.30FB0CB7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 17:14:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1471E3BEE1; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h4pd5dXpM2AP0Z9OOalGijwmuJ+kgM9dWuLQkiD/YuCBil79GReznCcVMiqUaLLO1WHGyGHsxDGO0Im9hVXzJeiEjwEk7ES3ma0YJTkNeAzaGb7tpXQ3tWIq5zK4dtwd5cNGgapFL0uEmNCA/e0FmjJZXVYAdAfHvbt1cZOvtIY= ; Message-ID: <20060511171454.31136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7D8E0B75-2212-4CC5-95B5-E5F9EF2C78F4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:14:56 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: >I do not > understand the argument that "sync calls for > pre-recorded stuff". Yeah, I don't get that either. One of the best things I like about MIDI clock is to be able to do simple things like have an effect sync up to a tempo yu provide. Sure, you could tap it but if you're trying to do that with more than one device it becomes a nightmare. This would work for any setting, not even a looper situation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 17:25:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782A63BED6; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I9Lm1MT8z4x73slFcGi19XgfkkgDRgNgCr0gS/AElGtNnh+0s+ziMFvFmacOW+z0wqs6nDx/lbf8h9BnF5P6GA/tOn56KyXEt3dhFGGdWMzMc3JYCink+FiWC9bx36+VjDNfAq80+zyLTQT1FyeaP8nRKEIlVy/mF+VDVTvFuvU= ; Message-ID: <20060511172551.71813.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9-nap.A.g9B.fO3YEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:25:52 +0000 (UTC) --- S V G wrote: > So is MIDI sync important to me? Not at all... > at this time. I don't have a clue what I > would do with it. Perhaps I'm just not seeing the > potential? Enlighten me please. How many > different ways do YOU find MIDI sync useful? I didn't start this with any intention of initiating a "value" perameter to to using MIDI sync. (pun intended) I'm not saying it's better or worse, just a different way of working. Hell, some of my most fun loops are me a guitar and a Boss Gigadelay. There's nothing "enlightening" about it. It's just it. As a child of the 80s I grew up listening to a lot of music that used drum machines. I love that machine sound. I think it was Rick Walker that said, "When I use a drum machine I want it to sound like a machine... an appliance like a washing machine" I'm paraphrasing and I'm not even sure if it was Rick, but I totally dig that idea. When I found that I could incorporate live performance with a drum machine I really dug it... the feel of something organic juxtaposed with something very much not, yet locked to it. I still used unsynced loops all the time, but like Per, I want a foundation there I can reference. The play that happens between the synced and the unsynced can be beautiful if done purposely. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 17:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6A093BEEA; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7829349.1147368394457.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:26:34 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Little Fretty & Fat Finger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:26:39 +0000 (UTC) All that talk a week ago or so motivated me to get a "Fat Finger" which I picked up on eBay for $5.50. Not bad. I have to admit, I noticed a very nice improvement in my guitar as regards tonality. It seemed to ring out more and the bottom string range was improved. I also picked up a "Little Fretty" from an eBay vendor for $23.00. An interesting practicing/hand exercising tool. I really like the feel of the material from which it is manufactured. It has a nice texture - a plastic-y material with a little give - almost like Turkish taffy without the stickiness. I could notice a difference in my finger dexterity in a relatively short amount of time. Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 17:27:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3A3D3BEEC; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKkNY0SBS4crLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060511182426.01b4ae30@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:27:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? In-Reply-To: <20060511154751.14D543BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060511154751.14D543BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:27:41 +0000 (UTC) At 16:47 11/05/2006, you wrote: >That was was my first reaction. In fact, I cannot fathom how 5 >people with various instrument and three different laptops doing >structure music could spontaneously engage and disengage rhythmic >loops, mostly percussive, within a performance without being synced >somehow. But, this was their reported interview. > >Just thought I'd throw it out for general discussion. very easily if they used canned loops to prearranged tempo, as long as they start at the right point. or perhaps all the rhythmic stuff was being played off just one laptop. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 18:18:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 797053BECD; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044701c67527$3aec8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: , , Subject: My Direct CD links on Apple iTunes Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:17:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 560, in=308049, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, CD Baby just send me direct links to 4 out of 5 of my CDs. Interstellar Dilirium isn't there yet, but for anyone interested in listening to the tunes, here are the URLs: Krispen Hartung: Places http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=14870487 Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse: Live at the Kulture Klatsch http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=78584432 Krispen Hartung: Descent to Self http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=81983936 Krispen Hartung & Friends: Xperimentus http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=128652807 ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 18:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA5A83BECD; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LK7WI7mjc4FDPRJRTL7yc0DmzsokbW+ANRAqQJEVhRJYdPnuQ16OJUGAhuvQz0VoI0NVKrNBBE14tlJ6pVzqvYk025bPI1CphswsM0WzgNt1EREu0OhKZoPCkAfdSTJjMicl5S1wqv7OaPRJs+4XxeFPXv8sSG0UY33qcrFRKH4= In-Reply-To: <044701c67527$3aec8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <044701c67527$3aec8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My Direct CD links on Apple iTunes Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:58:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:58:24 +0000 (UTC) On 11 maj 2006, at 20.17, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > CD Baby just send me direct links Right now I was also sent direct links for the stuff I had CD Baby put there for me. But I noticed CD Baby's link is not the same as usually use for my iTunes page. Here's what CD Baby sent: Per Boysen / David Cowley: Organisational Culture Loops http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? playListId=45130133 And my usual link: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? id=45130133&s=143456 Weird. I wonder what difference it makes? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 20:38:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D0F03BED0; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:37:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Server-Quench: 096e03dd-e12e-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:38:02 +0000 (UTC) > So, is MIDI sync important to you? Extremely. > Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? YES > Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and > keeping both loopers in sync? YES, more than interested. Do it every day! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 20:44:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D673BEDC; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B258406-E208-450E-86A9-4C241D5BC3C8@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:44:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Server-Quench: e645163a-e12e-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <9L7K2D.A.k2E.bI6YEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:44:11 +0000 (UTC) > More explanation: I often work with musicians who are sending sync from a computer. My loops have to be locked to their tempo, or phrase, or whatever is required. Then for my own music - I've got multiple machines that need to be in sync with each other when I need them to be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 20:45:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24EF03BED9; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: <20060511172551.71813.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060511172551.71813.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <365D212E-BA7C-42BC-8E95-100BE9C98C81@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:45:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Server-Quench: 1d441d6e-e12f-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <_A_X9C.A.-HF.3J6YEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:45:44 +0000 (UTC) pretty interesting thread by the way...i'm enjoying reading everyone's responses From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 21:13:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764193BED2; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011301c6753f$c253f770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re:bass tunings Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:13:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Charlie or Rainer wrote: "> > I'd like to hear some songs where you use that tuning...that > > is really low! " I have an old hollow body Gretsch bass from the sixties that will allow me tune the lowest string to an A below the typical E I then tune the second string to the octave A and play pinky slide on it as I drone with the super deep note (I guess that's not so low for a five string but I've only found this one bass that will allow me to play that low and still maintain the tuning). It's so primal.........I don't even use the other strings with this tuning. I do admit, also that I was highly influenced by the leader of Morphine who played two string slide bass with that amazing band. If you don't know them, buy there first CD (he, unfortunately died very early of complications from drug use). The band is scored for two string slide bass, baritone saxaphone and drums (my really good friend , the fabulous Boston area drummer who also plays with the Either/Orchestra, Jerome Deupree is the drummer on that original fantastic record). Mark, the singer, also sings in a very low voice and there material is soooooooo down and dirty and so fucking funky. Check it out if you don't know it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 22:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D457F3BED0; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative LP1 testers Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:01:24 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c67546$7545b160$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505144318.0195e978@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Many thanks to all who responded to my question about Looperlative LP1 = Beta testers. I would like to explain where I come from asking this question, because = I've received private responses (including some of spurious origin), too. My background in software engineering gives me a specific perspective = onto the subject of testing. I have been watching pretty closely and occasionally contributing to LD = for a period of roughly three years (starting 2003). I have also been raking = in the archives on a regular basis. As with any group, promoters are the most visible from the outside. But LD is a treasure chest brimming with talents and hard earned = abilities of all kinds of subjects in technical, artistic, and other domains. My specific view on testing and what I observed dwelling in LD leads to a certain choice of people as potential beta testers (see e.g. Per = Boysen's last post about MIDI sync http://tinyurl.com/gvhga) However, Steve's response helped to put things in perspective: http://tinyurl.com/gjecd In any case, Bob Amstad has all my respect and sympathies for devoting himself to the development of a loop machine = (http://www.looperlative.com/) which has already become the dream of many loop musicians. It's even = better to learn he's a user of this machine himself. http://tinyurl.com/ep8ed Thanks Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 22:45:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C8C53BEE2; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4463BE65.9030604@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:44:53 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass tunings References: <011301c6753f$c253f770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <011301c6753f$c253f770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:45:00 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > It's so primal.........I don't even use the other strings with this tuning. > I do admit, also that I was highly influenced by the leader of Morphine > who played two string slide bass with that amazing band. Aaah, great to hear of Morphine on this list! Awesome band. And awesome bass as well. > The band is scored for two string slide bass, baritone saxaphone and drums Wasn't it dual saxophones played by one guy? Andy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 23:12:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5D383BEC5; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nWKiSw/VLXM7DCwBC6DBItkoO27EC3gurv/0k5rV0YOQhyn2G2XATKG7yMZ7OyC2xTtgqhGxehbowypbXgcWLecUnwSFCUZXXAmOa3NwHHC/17NKaefqMYzVGpERiF4MV5l+g8wzzylrO3HZ7x80VSniEGHOb+ApT6migTuiGn8= ; Message-ID: <20060511231210.28214.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: Re: Looperlative 1st report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060511081242.01bddad0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1K2zU.A.FbH.MT8YEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:12:12 +0000 (UTC) --- a k butler wrote: > right, so it's possible to achieve the musical > effect effect you want. > ...but you'd have to hit the button at the right > time. > > er...........? The way I've been trying to do it is start playing a phrase over loop A (not recording) and cue up a track to record. I'm still playing that phrase but now recording it on a new track. This actually works perfectly but I still hear my first track while recording my new track. I think the problem is that once I start a new track all my commands are for *tha*t track. I'd have to record my new phrase on track 2 and then go back and mute track 1. I just want track one to drop away when track 2 starts recording. I think Bob also mentioned that he's working on functionality that allows you to control each track regardless of the current track selected so you could use it with a midi fader box like a mixer, but it's not supported by the current software. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 11 23:48:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3D903BEDD; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=g+IiRhDOyLg/nv4RoLabcOeOg51Kx7sch6t/XojFmUI8AAzmb6F9vPn+ZPOc33PHzD0+27jmVhkSLPf3ugg8wFppFpJrSmc4EFD49VTAGF8VuqPenz09yyjx6/0lp1y5hbPYEB1NXli59lvayO2rW9d7zMXxAqoqAGJQHFRYBrU= Message-ID: <46fea78d0605111648p4657528fjcf8999e0e5afa899@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:48:28 -0700 From: "D rH" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re Ebow question In-Reply-To: <11559ab853a1b9aec01a.20060508100949.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17437_2951291.1147391308636" References: <20060508131913.14978.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <11559ab853a1b9aec01a.20060508100949.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:48:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17437_2951291.1147391308636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I used my ebow on a friend's concert harp once... it took a while to get th= e strings moving, but I learned it worked best when placed in exactly the center. Eventually, the whole room was shaking! Maybe tomorrow I'll try it out on a grand piano... David On 5/8/06, Daren Burns wrote: > > Hey Ditch, > > I've used one with an old Kay upright bass, not extensively, just > experimentally. I was surprised to find that it worked. > > > -- > Daren Burns > bassist/composer/teacher/good guy > http://www.darenburns.com > http://www.darknumbers.com > "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightene= d > of the old ones." > - John Cage > > > > > ditch wrestler > > --0-1201204055-1147094353=3D:14294 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > a k butler wrote: > > With an acoustic instrument, or one with piezo pickups, you just get > > the string sound. > > Has anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you > know, > > the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)? > > > > > > ted harms > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_17437_2951291.1147391308636 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I used my ebow on a friend's concert harp once... it took a while to g= et the strings moving, but I learned it worked best when placed in exactly = the center. Eventually, the whole room was shaking!
 
Maybe tomorrow I'll try it out on a grand piano...
David

 
On 5/8/06, D= aren Burns <daren@darenburns= .com> wrote:
Hey Ditch,

I've used one = with an old Kay upright bass, not extensively, just
experimentally. I wa= s surprised to find that it worked.


--
Daren Burns
bassist/composer/teacher/good guy
http://www.darenburns.com
http://www.darknumbers.com
"I c= an't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened
of the old ones."
- John Cage




ditch wrestler=
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> a k butler <akbutler@tisc= ali.co.uk> wrote:
> With an acoustic instrument, or one with p= iezo pickups, you just get
> the string sound.
>   Ha= s anybody ever seen soembody use an e-bow on a double bass (you know,
> the big upright ones, not the acoustic bass guitars)?
>
&= gt;
>   ted harms
>
>
>


------=_Part_17437_2951291.1147391308636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 00:04:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BDD93BECA; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: field recording - Edirol R-09 shipping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:04:00 +0000 (UTC) I remember we were recently discussing field recording, and someone mentioned they were waiting for the Edirol R-09. Noticed an announcement on Harmony Central that it's shipping. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2006/Edirol-R-09-Ships.html I was pleasantly surprised to see the R-09 has an external mic input, as I thought it was mentioned that it had only a built-in mic. Several places online (Sweetwater, Sam Ash, etc.) in a fast Google search, list it at $399 US. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 00:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB413BED2; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <233.a36bfb7.31952dc0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: Re Ebow question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_233.a36bfb7.31952dc0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:16:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_233.a36bfb7.31952dc0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/11/06 7:48:40 PM, the.31st@gmail.com writes: > Maybe tomorrow I'll try it out on a grand piano... > yum! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_233.a36bfb7.31952dc0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/11/06 7:48:40 PM, the.31st@gmail.com writes:


Maybe tomorrow I'll t= ry it out on a grand piano...


yum!



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 --part1_233.a36bfb7.31952dc0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 10:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB7403BECD; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=h3iBg+I8ssYE28HOremdU6RBD9DA/8075Nv5YrEy3B3Fv4E7vhWY6Q+YnJhoFnJlxOuaQ4Z4fllqa47/h5l4VVlfzIApm5nSoNJpMRj+ULlwssix6C/exhWJ1jMDEE3KoAnpEp6g4yuiHeyR2QwuRp+fObbx3Gd3xOGWvq5jKWw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <702CAC91-6A07-4259-BCE0-C491798E8921@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:51:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <7Tb8kD.A.1AG.wiGZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just received a cell phone call from a friend traveling through Barcelona, in Spain, only to tell me that "There is a loop festival going on here right now". He couldn't find out any details, but does anyone here happen to know what that might be? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 11:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631DC3BEB6; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:05:56 +0200 Message-ID: <004c01c675b4$0b7248c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <702CAC91-6A07-4259-BCE0-C491798E8921@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:05 +0000 (UTC) http://www.loop-barcelona.com/LOOP06/ENGLISH/Home.htm LOOP FAIR May 19 through 21, 2006 First fair in the world exclusively dedicated to Video Art. OFF LOOP May 10 through 21, 2006 A festival that focuses on creating a platform to exhibit world premieres, new talents and innovative works of video art. If he's talking about this (OFF LOOP), it's more about video than music... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Freitag, 12. Mai 2006 12:51 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now > > Hi, > > I just received a cell phone call from a friend traveling through > Barcelona, in Spain, only to tell me that "There is a loop festival > going on here right now". He couldn't find out any details, but does > anyone here happen to know what that might be? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 11:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33283BEC7; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:31:56 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Speaking of festivals In-reply-to: <004c01c675b4$0b7248c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c675b7$acda4b10$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:29:44 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to start performing at looping, electronic music and new music festivals, and at colleges especially in the NE US. Does anyone have suggestions for the best way to get this kind of thing going, and pointers to lists of festivals and other new music venues? Thanks, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 11:52:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CAA13BECF; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FsHtf4o2YecoCLMoDNtJ+FnGZZ+mwI1HCT60RNkxH9XLgvCllqNIDP5MMygGTBQi89+JXgQ/VfPfqA17V0iL6alD2f95MsRl2Q6Rdjf7VUjUHkbBJAdux3MXJvboA3rJ6JwYfqnWkol8kNqNdiap2Pl7QnKmr7bV1ihI5ZGAXh4= In-Reply-To: <000001c675b7$acda4b10$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <000001c675b7$acda4b10$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Speaking of festivals Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:52:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:52:52 +0000 (UTC) On 12 maj 2006, at 13.31, Warren Sirota wrote: > I'd like to start performing at looping, electronic music and new > music > festivals, and at colleges especially in the NE US. Does anyone have > suggestions for the best way to get this kind of thing going, and > pointers > to lists of festivals and other new music venues? You may find a lot valuable information at the CD Baby site. Artist pages, I think. Since I'm not in the US I never read up on that in detail. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 12:50:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B61163BEC7; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NIRX3993g6PR+ZJlLnicL9nZtYGK6zSIrezmd3Au9watnuBUKsvV0X5sLbX9twG3coq+lCEX85UjAUZb1Jf+wmOtK2pdMbYs2Iu+8G+SDW6oLUlyAZy3G9torUnUCoEF7wFt2a4EkcfoGKdKrqhiqa83SzAhjYboMCPb6CjlTIs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:50:10 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) SooperLooper is cool. I could not get loops to synch together. also jack sucks....i got a nasty feedback loop from it and unistalled everything. perhaps sooperlooper would be more powerful without jack and midipatchbay. On 5/10/06, Jesse Chappell wrote: > On 5/10/06, mark t wrote: > > I have always been a mac guy. I got a g4 powerbook and a g5. I am > > "considering" getting a pc laptop to soley use Mobius. Any of you > > seasoned PC guys recomend me something good and affordable. You know > > the deal....I would like to be able to run 8 stereo loops comfortably > > without gliches and crashes and to much stress on the machine. So > > help me out whats a good solid machine to use for soley Mobius. > > thanks. > > Another option is to talk Jeff Larson into porting Mobius to OS X. > Would be cheaper for everyone except him. Unless he opened the source > to let someone else do it for him, of course ;) > > Mark T, I assume you've tried SooperLooper and found it unsuitable for > your needs? I'd be interested in hearing about them. The more > complaining I hear, the better chance I have of getting something > accomplished on it in my increasingly diminishing free time. > > And yes Per, proper latency compensation is almost there. Life keeps > interrupting. > > jlc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 13:26:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA11E3BEC7; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CQJnf04mya4XYVFqHVRULMF0qfrU8PaODYBzT3epxCI7D2WimRQBaDSPql4hd1UAwaFLYlYrBLfXGJsheRRekWzxa8Bd+R9ZUD9RbbLlOvi7Id0wUkNgaZTuRBfnTBwuRIEd1iUgQtnOvVa6NOJu6JGm/T2geGYb4Gz0b2ry3i8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:26:15 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: f60a2e208ceea262 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:26:16 +0000 (UTC) On 5/12/06, mark t wrote: > SooperLooper is cool. I could not get loops to synch together. also > jack sucks....i got a nasty feedback loop from it and unistalled > everything. perhaps sooperlooper would be more powerful without jack > and midipatchbay. Yeah, the sync logic is currently a bit confusing. SL wouldn't be more powerful without JACK, but it might be more user friend= ly. If it allowed you to make the connections (both audio and midi) directly from the SL gui, that would help the most. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 13:34:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61CEB3BECD; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1147440851!39484956!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9209@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:34:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675C8.BEBFFD00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:34:21 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. 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>>Is there any compelling reason to get a 5 string?= <<

I have several four-string basses tuned BEAD. well, I fig= ure that a bass player has no business going above middle C anyway.... :-)<= /FONT>

I have a five-string too (a rickenbacker) but seldom use = it. it looks nice though. but the scale length is absolutely crucial to the= quality of rendition of the lower notes &, while my precisions & m= usicians can manage this fairly well, the rickenbacker is a mere 1/2" = shorter & the B just flaps about.

also, they used the same neck as the regular 4003, so the= strings are a bit close together.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C675C8.BEBFFD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 13:41:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACC083BECF; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1147441271!36857273!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC920A@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: to those using multiple racks Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:41:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675C9.B9F51200" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:41:13 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675C9.B9F51200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" now I've had chance to take a proper look, this could be the very thing for me...... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675C9.B9F51200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" RE: to those using multiple racks

now I've had chance to take a proper look, this could be the very thing for me......

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675C9.B9F51200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 13:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4303BED9; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1147441697!49053362!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC920B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: E-bow question Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.B4478F30" Resent-Message-ID: <2roiE.A.wAG.kIJZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.B4478F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" hey, I wonder if that would work with the thunder-tube I've got..... same sort of thing, I think..... d. -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] Sent: 10 May 2006 04:44 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: E-bow question On Sun, 7 May 2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some avant cat in Signal to > Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs. Tim, thanks for mentioning this: inspired by the above, I took a Remo spring drum http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002GFS3G/ held it suspended by the end of the spring, then applied the E-Bow just below my hand, bending the spring across the channel of the E-Bow with very little pressure: just enough for the bottom end of the E-Bow channel to act as a bridge for the spring. The result was a minimal-attack moan as the vibrating spring shook the spring drum head, reminiscent of the wind sounds in the planet landing sequence of Ridley Scott's _Alien_. Very cool, thanks. Oh, and Andy: best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.B4478F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Re: E-bow question

hey, I wonder if that would work with the thunder-tube I'= ve got..... same sort of thing, I think.....

d.

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On Sun, 7 May 2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote:

> E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some av= ant cat in Signal to
> Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs.

Tim, thanks for mentioning this: inspired by the above, I= took a Remo
spring drum

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/= -/B0002GFS3G/

held it suspended by the end of the spring, then applied = the E-Bow just
below my hand, bending the spring across the channel of = the E-Bow with
very little pressure: just enough for the bottom end of = the E-Bow channel
to act as a bridge for the spring. The result was a mini= mal-attack moan as
the vibrating spring shook the spring drum head, reminis= cent of the wind
sounds in the planet landing sequence of Ridley Scott's = _Alien_. Very
cool, thanks.

Oh, and Andy:

best,
Steve B
Subscape Annex   http://www.subscapeannex.com/



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.B4478F30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 13:50:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4C83BEE0; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1147441798!12796636!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC920C@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:49:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.F31DD520" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:50:01 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.F31DD520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I also want to know (basically because I've been too lazy to hook up my new 2880 to the outside world yet...) what happens to the pitch of the loops when you alter the incoming midi clock. but I guess I'll find out later anyway. d. -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: 10 May 2006 06:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Wow, sounds cool. What I don't get is why "Once you begin recording a New Loop, all of the files for the previous loop will be overwritten and you cannot retrieve them." Put in non volatile memory and then make it so that you can't ever get back to your previous loops? So what's the point? --- Costas Andreou wrote: > Hello everyone! > The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper > was delivered to me > recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a > small review for anyone > interested in this new looper. > > The 2880 is well designed and well build, with > quality knobs, pots and > faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected > and this is a plus, at > least for me. > > This is a user friendly machine - especially those > who are familiar with > any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel > at home right away. It > is great to have faders and pan pots for each > track/loop and control these > parameters in real time. > > The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, > no hiss, no artifacts, > no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom > before clipping and > they sound good with various sources. The converter > sounds nice - no cheap > digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and > clear and the faders > have that nice feel you expect when you need to do > smooth fade ins/outs, > small changes or big moves. > > Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple > mono or stereo loops can > be recorded of four different tracks and you are > free to mix everything > down to a stereo track to have the other ones > available for additional > work. You can move the faders and pan pots during > mixdown and everything > will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you > hear it. You can also > record onto the mixdown track as many times as you > like and keep the > previous stuff there, too. > > Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the > octave button and you are > also free to do bends up and down with the tempo > slider. The reverse > feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can > be active at the same > time. > > Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very > simple steps to follow. > If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, > there are no problems at > all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, > the 2880 becomes an > instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated > looper machine out > there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I > suggest you spend the > additional money to get the foot controller too, > because it really makes > live work easier and more fluid. You can't do > everything on the fly > without the controller, except if both of your hands > are free. > > Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync > succesfully to a sequencer or a > drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, > simple and effective. > > A metronome with its own level knob is also > included. It sounds like the > clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake > plastic snare here. This > click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to > assist the performer, but > it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The > metronome is output > through the headphones jack, allowing for further > dub style processing. > ;-) > > The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will > appreciate this. You > can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact > flash card is > displayed as an external hard drive. The files are > the standard .wav and > can be easily moved, for backup or further process. > > Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the > control and the power > to do things as fluidly as possible. > > Feel free to ask questions. > :-) > > Greetings from Athens > Costas > > http://www.costasandreou.com > contact@costasandreou.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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I also want to know (basically because I've been too lazy= to hook up my new 2880 to the outside world yet...) what happens to the pi= tch of the loops when you alter the incoming midi clock. but I guess I'll f= ind out later anyway.

d.

-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: 10 May 2006 06:41
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review


Wow, sounds cool.  What I don't get is why "Onc= e you
begin recording a New Loop, all of the files for the
previous loop will be overwritten and you cannot
retrieve them."

Put in non volatile memory and then make it so that
you can't ever get back to your previous loops?  So=
what's the point?

--- Costas Andreou <contact@costasandreou.com> wrot= e:

> Hello everyone!
> The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper<= /FONT>
> was delivered to me
> recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a
> small review for anyone
> interested in this new looper.
>
> The 2880 is well designed and well build, with
> quality knobs, pots and
> faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected
> and this is a plus, at
> least for me.
>
> This is a user friendly machine - especially those<= /FONT>
> who are familiar with
> any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel=
> at home right away. It
> is great to have faders and pan pots for each
> track/loop and control these
> parameters in real time.
>
> The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression,<= /FONT>
> no hiss, no artifacts,
> no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroo= m
> before clipping and
> they sound good with various sources. The converter=
> sounds nice - no cheap
> digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and=
> clear and the faders
> have that nice feel you expect when you need to do<= /FONT>
> smooth fade ins/outs,
> small changes or big moves.
>
> Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple
> mono or stereo loops can
> be recorded of four different tracks and you are
> free to mix everything
> down to a stereo track to have the other ones
> available for additional
> work. You can move the faders and pan pots during
> mixdown and everything
> will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you=
> hear it. You can also
> record onto the mixdown track as many times as you<= /FONT>
> like and keep the
> previous stuff there, too.
>
> Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the
> octave button and you are
> also free to do bends up and down with the tempo
> slider. The reverse
> feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can=
> be active at the same
> time.
>
> Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very
> simple steps to follow.
> If you are experienced with overdub an punch in,
> there are no problems at
> all. From the time you memorize the foot controller= ,
> the 2880 becomes an
> instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated=
> looper machine out
> there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I
> suggest you spend the
> additional money to get the foot controller too,
> because it really makes
> live work easier and more fluid. You can't do
> everything on the fly
> without the controller, except if both of your hand= s
> are free.
>
> Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync
> succesfully to a sequencer or a
> drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there= ,
> simple and effective.
>
> A metronome with its own level knob is also
> included. It sounds like the
> clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake
> plastic snare here. This
> click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to
> assist the performer, but
> it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The<= /FONT>
> metronome is output
> through the headphones jack, allowing for further
> dub style processing.
> ;-)
>
> The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will=
> appreciate this. You
> can move audio files to/from a computer. The compac= t
> flash card is
> displayed as an external hard drive. The files are<= /FONT>
> the standard .wav and
> can be easily moved, for backup or further process.=
>
> Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the=
> control and the power
> to do things as fluidly as possible.
>
> Feel free to ask questions.
> :-)
>
> Greetings from Athens
> Costas
>
> http://www.costasandreou.com
> contact@costasandreou.com
>
>


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CA.F31DD520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 13:55:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 797293BEE7; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:00:43 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: E-bow question In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC920B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Message-ID: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC920B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:55:58 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 12 May 2006, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > hey, I wonder if that would work with the thunder-tube I've got..... same > sort of thing, I think..... Almost certainly it would, I think. One issue I had was that the spring flops about hugely, so using the E-Bow without touching the spring was not doable by me, at least in the time I spent with it. So the "use the E-Bow channel as a bridge saddle" trick was the only way I could find to get a sound out of the spring drum. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com] > > On Sun, 7 May 2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >> E-bows also work on acoustic instruments and some avant cat in Signal to >> Noise mag even used on a snare drum's springs. > > Tim, thanks for mentioning this: inspired by the above, I took a Remo > spring drum > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002GFS3G/ > > held it suspended by the end of the spring, then applied the E-Bow just > below my hand, bending the spring across the channel of the E-Bow with > very little pressure: just enough for the bottom end of the E-Bow channel > to act as a bridge for the spring. The result was a minimal-attack moan as > the vibrating spring shook the spring drum head, reminiscent of the wind > sounds in the planet landing sequence of Ridley Scott's _Alien_. Very > cool, thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 14:06:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344BD3BEF7; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1147442764!41989472!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC920D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675CD.2F6D5E40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:06:07 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CD.2F6D5E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>So, is MIDI sync important to you? Would it influence you to purchase your next looper? Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and keeping both loopers in sync?<< to the first question- yes. & no. sometimes. to the second- it has been a factor, yes. but it didn't stop us buying DL4's & using them "unlocked". the "old" jamman can be a nuisance when there's a midi tempo change. the repeater just rolls with it. I don't yet know what the 2880 will do.... to the third- there's three of us in my band, all using analogue sequencers & looping devices, & there are midi-clocked-delay effects units too. but lately the drummer/other-kybd-player has been using our EH 16sdd reissue to record his "toys" & voice into. this is completely unlocked from all the midi stuff, & it's been quite refreshing. back in 1994, we started to record a piece that revolved around a repeated guitar phrase. the phrase meshed quite nicely with some sequenced synth lines, but since we weren't multi-tracking anything then (purist ethic/particular school-of-improv), the guitarist couldn't let loose with a corresponding lead line or solo. so I set up a delay on our powertran mcs-1 that matched the length of this phrase & gave him a footswitch to "unfreeze" this delay. as the frozen delay drifted out of sync with the sequencers, he would hit the footswitch & re-enter the phrase. this not only got the parts back in sync but, since he had to do this every thirty seconds or so, it prevented him noodling for the entire piece. we thought to ourselves afterwards "there must be a box you can buy that lets you do this more easily".... & a few months later we had a jamman. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CD.2F6D5E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you?

>>So, is MIDI sync important to you?

Would it influence you to purchase your next looper?

Are you interested in jamming with other loopers and
keeping both loopers in sync?<<

to the first question- yes. & no. sometimes.

to the second- it has been a factor, yes. but it didn't s= top us buying DL4's & using them "unlocked". the "old&qu= ot; jamman can be a nuisance when there's a midi tempo change. the repeater= just rolls with it. I don't yet know what the 2880 will do....

to the third- there's three of us in my band, all using a= nalogue sequencers & looping devices, & there are midi-clocked-dela= y effects units too.

but lately the drummer/other-kybd-player has been using o= ur EH 16sdd reissue to record his "toys" & voice into. this i= s completely unlocked from all the midi stuff, & it's been quite refres= hing.

back in 1994, we started to record a piece that revolved = around a repeated guitar phrase. the phrase meshed quite nicely with some s= equenced synth lines, but since we weren't multi-tracking anything then (pu= rist ethic/particular school-of-improv), the guitarist couldn't let loose w= ith a corresponding lead line or solo. so I set up a delay on our powertran= mcs-1 that matched the length of this phrase & gave him a footswitch t= o "unfreeze" this delay. as the frozen delay drifted out of sync = with the sequencers, he would hit the footswitch & re-enter the phrase.= this not only got the parts back in sync but, since he had to do this ever= y thirty seconds or so, it prevented him noodling for the entire piece.

we thought to ourselves afterwards "there must be a = box you can buy that lets you do this more easily".... & a few mon= ths later we had a jamman.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CD.2F6D5E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 14:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445B83BED2; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GsViubhgwnz7hEHxb684gPrvTkq0rp53num46dkfIN0jiPncCxagdzsNm57aNJC5RlY5iA8sCoJRHiCg7QsqL1nJQY9vnl474gD/9SOv9L9sB14+j3VQS6+4/RogOsM/2YRZVyyKzILc17l+4cR8Gc8N6qFM4nCy/diAxUYrpOk= ; Message-ID: <20060512141532.9938.qmail@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: 4,5,6,strings.why stop there? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0bPgoB.A.bUH.FiJZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:15:34 +0000 (UTC) the most versatile bass ive played was a 12 string,grouped in four sets of three...i would love to see a bass configured in six sets of three...my favorite number# ive got my eye on a veillette 12 string baritone guitar,who needs a bass when you have a tool like that in your arsenal....of course it is no harp guitar,but ive not seen a 12 string baritone harp guitar...yet! to the future, scary visionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 14:25:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98B563BEDD; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1147443929!24385752!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9210@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: morphine (was: bass tunings) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:25:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675CF.E4A95320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:25:37 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CF.E4A95320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" "have a lucky day". I missed seeing sandman & co by about a week. still got the ticket somewhere. he died on stage, or near one, in germany. I heard it was a heart attack, don't know the (drugs? really?) background to it. the music is seductive, slinky, funky, dirty, happy. a good place to start is the live set from detroit, called "bootleg" something-or-other. duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: 11 May 2006 23:45 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass tunings loop.pool wrote: > It's so primal.........I don't even use the other strings with this tuning. > I do admit, also that I was highly influenced by the leader of Morphine > who played two string slide bass with that amazing band. Aaah, great to hear of Morphine on this list! Awesome band. And awesome bass as well. > The band is scored for two string slide bass, baritone saxaphone and drums Wasn't it dual saxophones played by one guy? Andy. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CF.E4A95320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: morphine (was: bass tunings)

"have a lucky day".

I missed seeing sandman & co by about a week. still g= ot the ticket somewhere. he died on stage, or near one, in germany. I heard= it was a heart attack, don't know the (drugs? really?) background to it. t= he music is seductive, slinky, funky, dirty, happy.

a good place to start is the live set from detroit, calle= d "bootleg" something-or-other.

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]
Sent: 11 May 2006 23:45
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: bass tunings


loop.pool wrote:
> It's so primal.........I don't even use the other s= trings with this tuning.
> I do admit, also that I was highly influenced by th= e leader of Morphine
> who played two string slide bass with that amazing = band.

Aaah, great to hear of Morphine on this list! Awesome ban= d. And awesome
bass as well.

> The band is scored for two string slide bass, barito= ne saxaphone and drums

Wasn't it dual saxophones played by one guy?

Andy.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C675CF.E4A95320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 14:33:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F14E3BEDA; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c675d1$07542ed0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9209@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:16:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:33:45 +0000 (UTC) That's what I'm after. What string guages do you use? Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: RE: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass > > I have several four-string basses tuned BEAD. well, I figure that a bass > player has no business going above middle C anyway.... :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 14:37:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF643BEDD; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GyVIkhZC84WzHfAG9geSYlI0tPGnDknwYPo0yrsrm34+4hz9u5fLYQwonKyb/Vh8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <3504655.1147444648598.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gut-string bass guitar Re: 4,5,6,strings.why stop there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940efa358a651c9c828f50d54fe29cc0a2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.35 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:37:30 +0000 (UTC) As long as we're discussing unusual low-frequency axes, I figured I'd mention my mid-sixties Japanese classical, which I use as a fretless octave-down instrument. (Yes, I just yanked out those frets by the roots, I did I did!) Nylon string guitars sound amazingly like an upright when detuned, and the process is aided by the terrible quarter-inch action at the nut. (This was before Japan learned how to make good guitars, though the soundhole rosette is improbably gorgeous. I swear, the factory must have put all their money and attention into that one detail ;-) I simply found a high-tension classical set, discarded the high E, used the low E for an A, etc etc etc... the tension is just right---enough tension to intonate, not enough to ruin my feeble joints. Now I need a cello string for the low E. Anyway, it sounds great, even though I am too cheap to have someone plane the painted-on fretboard. There is also some joy in knowing that there are probably only 100 other such mutant instruments extant. ~Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- >From: daniel stevenson >Sent: May 12, 2006 10:15 AM >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: 4,5,6,strings.why stop there? > >the most versatile bass ive played was a 12 >string,grouped in four sets of three...i would love to >see a bass configured in six sets of three...my >favorite number# > ive got my eye on a veillette 12 string baritone >guitar,who needs a bass when you have a tool like that >in your arsenal....of course it is no harp guitar,but >ive not seen a 12 string baritone harp guitar...yet! > to the future, > scary visionary. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 15:22:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 380203BEC2; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4464A825.6070002@knology.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:22:13 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Indigo i/o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7gFJFD.A.POC.xgKZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:22:26 +0000 (UTC) "I've just acquired an Indigo i/o. Output is strong and clear. Input is very weak (< -12dB with source wide open) , but what I can hear is clear. I've tried several sources, mic and line values. I've checked the console (all at max.), the system audio settings (in and out to Indigo i/o) and drivers. Initial install was with provided drivers. When the problem occurred, I checked the Echo Audio site, downloaded and installed version 6.11. Still very low input. I noticed that both driver sets still showed as installed, so I directly uninstalled the earlier version, with no difference. Then, I uninstalled all Indigo drivers, re-downloaded them from echoaudio.com, reset the computer and reinstalled. This changed nothing." I contacted Echo with this message and Marcel wrote back: "- Right, your Indigo IO input is line level. You need a micpreamp or small mixer...." I could've sworn I heard a "..., ya' dope!" added when I first read it, but that prob. just me. ;-) All of the work so far has been via line sources and/or mixers with proper gain structure set. If I push everything in the mixer 10-15dB above unity, I can get a reasonable signal, but that really seems like pushing it. No other system I've connected to has required that kind of mixer amplification for level input and I don't like using a mixer as an amp anyway. The question is for those who have used the Echo Indigo's. I'm trying to determine if I have a defective card. Do you have to push your inputs like this? -- Dan Montgomery -- www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 15:29:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBA43BED6; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Indigo i/o Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Indigo i/o Thread-Index: AcZ11+Fv0wOxfJh6TZumFQ7n5kH0WAAAC/WA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2006 15:29:17.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[D51DBF00:01C675D8] Resent-Message-ID: <-jcECB.A.tmC.OnKZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Dan- I've had no such issues with my Indigo, USING A MIXER, but not reasonable levels, not at 10-15 abv. unity. I should add I don't use it too often, but I did a session with vocals and slide guitar, mixed out of a little Behringer mixer, about 2 months ago, and the sound was great. I've found Echo very responsive, and I wouldn't hesitate to say "I think something is wrong"... once you're sure that it is. Kris H is probably going to give you a well-informed answer.=20 Howl Din -----Original Message----- From: Dan Montgomery [mailto:dmont@knology.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Indigo i/o "I've just acquired an Indigo i/o. Output is strong and clear. Input=20 is very weak (< -12dB with source wide open) , but what I can hear is=20 clear. I've tried several sources, mic and line values. I've checked=20 the console (all at max.), the system audio settings (in and out to=20 Indigo i/o) and drivers. Initial install was with provided drivers. When the problem occurred, I checked the Echo Audio site, downloaded and installed version 6.11. =20 Still very low input. I noticed that both driver sets still showed as=20 installed, so I directly uninstalled the earlier version, with no=20 difference. Then, I uninstalled all Indigo drivers, re-downloaded them=20 from echoaudio.com, reset the computer and reinstalled. This changed=20 nothing." I contacted Echo with this message and Marcel wrote back: "- Right, your Indigo IO input is line level. You need a micpreamp=20 or small mixer...." I could've sworn I heard a "..., ya' dope!" added when I first read it, but that prob. just me. ;-) All of the work so far has been via line sources and/or mixers with=20 proper gain structure set. If I push everything in the mixer 10-15dB=20 above unity, I can get a reasonable signal, but that really seems like=20 pushing it. No other system I've connected to has required that kind of mixer amplification for level input and I don't like using a mixer as an amp anyway. The question is for those who have used the Echo Indigo's. I'm trying=20 to determine if I have a defective card. Do you have to push your inputs like this? --=20 Dan Montgomery -- www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 15:32:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699D33BEDE; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:31:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Speaking of festivals In-reply-to: <000001c675b7$acda4b10$0302a8c0@Lightning> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4464AA5C.5030404@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <000001c675b7$acda4b10$0302a8c0@Lightning> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > I'd like to start performing at looping, electronic music and new music > festivals, and at colleges especially in the NE US. Does anyone have > suggestions for the best way to get this kind of thing going, and pointers > to lists of festivals and other new music venues? > Thanks, > Warren Sirota http://event.electro-music.com http://thegatherings.org http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Philly_Ambient Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 15:52:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B04A3BED9; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iM9lwlumTGddV2nyPiVUS/EUIx5YCX/DVVHSUvy6YZUC3mga8zeKOhLKaV9dMgUiFy6TfjqNl6YqTiWmB2v3XLeI/JiM5vW5jUHlt859O8o6cu3LFBJqZ77MlhbWUZVvivvmvR811gzi2QoHqTRAeQxRdq+np2IuUleF0nJerRg= ; Message-ID: <20060512155245.57347.qmail@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: RE: morphine (was: bass tunings) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9210@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1878395819-1147449165=:56652" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:52:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1878395819-1147449165=:56652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Very small point: Mark died on stage in Italy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sandman From a Morphine fan (favourite song: Thursday), Ted Harms. goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: "have a lucky day". I missed seeing sandman & co by about a week. still got the ticket somewhere. he died on stage, or near one, in germany. I heard it was a heart attack, don't know the (drugs? really?) background to it. the music is seductive, slinky, funky, dirty, happy. a good place to start is the live set from detroit, called "bootleg" something-or-other. duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: 11 May 2006 23:45 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bass tunings loop.pool wrote: > It's so primal.........I don't even use the other strings with this tuning. > I do admit, also that I was highly influenced by the leader of Morphine > who played two string slide bass with that amazing band. Aaah, great to hear of Morphine on this list! Awesome band. And awesome bass as well. > The band is scored for two string slide bass, baritone saxaphone and drums Wasn't it dual saxophones played by one guy? 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Very small point: Mark died on stage in Italy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sandman
 
 
From a Morphine fan (favourite song: Thursday),
 
Ted Harms.


goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
"have a lucky day".
I missed seeing sandman & co by about a week. still got the ticket somewhere. he died on stage, or near one, in germany. I heard it was a heart attack, don't know the (drugs? really?) background to it. the music is seductive, slinky, funky, dirty, happy.
a good place to start is the live set from detroit, called "bootleg" something-or-other.
duncan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]
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loop.pool wrote:
> It's so primal.........I don't even use the other strings with this tuning.
> I do admit, also that I was highly influenced by the leader of Morphine
> who played two string slide bass with that amazing band.
Aaah, great to hear of Morphine on this list! Awesome band. And awesome
bass as well.
> The band is scored for two string slide bass, baritone saxaphone and drums
Wasn't it dual saxophones played by one guy?
Andy.


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FareChase --0-1878395819-1147449165=:56652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 16:13:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE5B93BED3; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <070501c675df$0971d650$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Indigo i/o Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:13:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 560, in=300839, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, this may not be well-informed, but I'll give it a shot. My input level by plugging my guitar directly into the IO input and playing loud and hard is -18db. I doesn't not pose an issue for me, as I just adjust my output levels to be as close to the red as possible. I don't appear to have any noise either, despite the low input level. When I go into my Boss VF1 before my laptop, then of course I can get a better input level, as the Boss has an adjustable output. However, occasionally, I will start my system and my guitar will be barely audible, even when the Analog in inside the ECHO control panel is all the way up. What I find is that in my normal sound card audio control panel (the one you can get to by clicking on the tiny speaker in the system tray), the Line Out fader is completely at 0. Granted, this does not boost your input level but it does get your output to a decent level. I push it back to the top and everything sounds great. This doesn't really solve your problem, but I think the ECHO tech reflected the issue correctly. This is one advantage I see with the Creative Labs Audigy 2 card, as it has both mic and input level settings. When I use my old laptop and plug my guitar directly into the card, I switch to Mic level. When I run from my Boss VF1 to the card, I switch to line level. I suppose if you can't live with the line level only of the ECHO you could return it and get the Audigy 2, for a lot cheaper by the way (down to $90 now). And I have no complaints with the quality of the Audigy...it is just as clear as the ECHO, and I even like the input/outputs on the card better. I don't like how the input and output on the IO is from front to back. I like the Audigy positioning of the jacks better so that my cords come out of the side of the computer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean, Hal " To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Indigo i/o Dan- I've had no such issues with my Indigo, USING A MIXER, but not reasonable levels, not at 10-15 abv. unity. I should add I don't use it too often, but I did a session with vocals and slide guitar, mixed out of a little Behringer mixer, about 2 months ago, and the sound was great. I've found Echo very responsive, and I wouldn't hesitate to say "I think something is wrong"... once you're sure that it is. Kris H is probably going to give you a well-informed answer. Howl Din -----Original Message----- From: Dan Montgomery [mailto:dmont@knology.net] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Indigo i/o "I've just acquired an Indigo i/o. Output is strong and clear. Input is very weak (< -12dB with source wide open) , but what I can hear is clear. I've tried several sources, mic and line values. I've checked the console (all at max.), the system audio settings (in and out to Indigo i/o) and drivers. Initial install was with provided drivers. When the problem occurred, I checked the Echo Audio site, downloaded and installed version 6.11. Still very low input. I noticed that both driver sets still showed as installed, so I directly uninstalled the earlier version, with no difference. Then, I uninstalled all Indigo drivers, re-downloaded them from echoaudio.com, reset the computer and reinstalled. This changed nothing." I contacted Echo with this message and Marcel wrote back: "- Right, your Indigo IO input is line level. You need a micpreamp or small mixer...." I could've sworn I heard a "..., ya' dope!" added when I first read it, but that prob. just me. ;-) All of the work so far has been via line sources and/or mixers with proper gain structure set. If I push everything in the mixer 10-15dB above unity, I can get a reasonable signal, but that really seems like pushing it. No other system I've connected to has required that kind of mixer amplification for level input and I don't like using a mixer as an amp anyway. The question is for those who have used the Echo Indigo's. I'm trying to determine if I have a defective card. Do you have to push your inputs like this? -- Dan Montgomery -- www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 16:29:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7F33BEE8; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4464AA5C.5030404@soundscapes.us> References: <000001c675b7$acda4b10$0302a8c0@Lightning> <4464AA5C.5030404@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Speaking of festivals Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:29:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:29:22 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing at this one in Philadelphia if anyone is around and=20 wants to hang out and talk shop. > http://event.electro-music.com Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 16:44:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1403E3BED9; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <071b01c675e3$51f8be80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <004c01c675b4$0b7248c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:44:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 558, in=296364, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:44:24 +0000 (UTC) This brings up another interesting topic and idea for me. The day after the Boise Experimental Music Festival, Rick, Rainer, and I had a virtual performance with me and Rick here at Boise and Rainer at a club in Germany. Then I started thinking that at next year's festival, I would like to feature some virtual performances at the event. I would stream international performers over the internet and pipe their performance into the PA. And I would also have them use a webcam to project on a large screen. And then it would be really fun for a local performer to join the fun. Has anyone else done this at their festival, or seen it done at a festival? The internet streaming part is easy for me...it's the video. I can currently use something like AIM instant messenger to stream video from a webcam...that works alright, so that might be my last resort. I definitely plan on doing this, maybe even before the next festival, at a mini festival of some sort this summer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:05 AM Subject: RE: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now > http://www.loop-barcelona.com/LOOP06/ENGLISH/Home.htm > > LOOP FAIR > May 19 through 21, 2006 > First fair in the world exclusively dedicated to Video Art. > > OFF LOOP > May 10 through 21, 2006 > A festival that focuses on creating a platform to exhibit world premieres, > new talents and innovative works of video art. > > If he's talking about this (OFF LOOP), it's more about video than music... > Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] >> Sent: Freitag, 12. Mai 2006 12:51 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now >> >> Hi, >> >> I just received a cell phone call from a friend traveling through >> Barcelona, in Spain, only to tell me that "There is a loop festival >> going on here right now". He couldn't find out any details, but does >> anyone here happen to know what that might be? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 17:07:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C4713BEDE; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1147453676!26458216!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9217@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 4 String Bass or 5 String Bass Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:07:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C675E6.9C888B80" Resent-Message-ID: <1mMzQ.A.jXH.uDMZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:07:59 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C675E6.9C888B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>That's what I'm after. What string guages do you use? Nik<< bottom four of a five string set, so 130/105/85/65 sort of thing. the thicker the better in terms of preserving the tone, but there are some trade-offs. I've done all this stuff to a fender p, a fender p with a jazz neck, an ibanez musician & a tokai fretless jazz. these are some of the major issues: actual playability, pickup-pull (wolf-notes, the guitar tech books call this- it sounds like mild ring modulation. in any case, you'll have to back the pickups away from the fat string because the extra mass makes it louder), the bend-angle over the bridge saddle (especially since this latter has to be pulled right back to correct the intonation of the fat string, often as far as it can go. this may lead you to shimming the neck, if it's a bolt-on, to reduce the problem of the bridge height.... you'll need a shim at the front-edge of the neck pocket so that the neck is angled slightly away from you as you play. this enables the bridge saddles to be set lower overall for the same action, & thus reduces the break-angle of the strings over the saddles), the string height at the nut (you may have to open up the slot a bit- think long & hard about this on any "vintage" instrument), the truss rod adjustment (if you go for a heavier string for the B to preserve the tone, take the others up a notch too or you'll risk twisting the neck whatever you do with the truss rod. go 5 heavier across the board. I may be worrying unneccesarily on this point, but I don't like to take chances with 40 year old timber!), the overall tension on the neck won't be much greater, but you may need to relax the truss rod to let the string "breathe" across the fingerboard as it vibrates.... the string excursions, as leo described them, are that bit greater. so, more neck relief than usual is required. the wrap around the tuning post. 'pon this latter- I've always felt that "regular" long-scale strings, designed for 33-34" scale basses, are too long. there's too much of the wound part & not enough of the end bit with the silk round it. especially on fenders & especially on the low E, I find that I'm wrapping the fat part of the string round the peg & the silky bit has all but disappeared. steve lawson has a great deal more experience than I do in terms of "playing out" with these low tunings, & some of his findings or opinions may fly in the face of the "pure physics" take on this. a lighter string certainly seems to work better as you use less & less of it (i.e. as you play higher up the neck). but for recording purposes, I tend to have worked out a part that stays below the E on the B string, & thus I prefer a heavier string so that I get a nice fat tone. ideally, one would have fender's custom shop make a nice b-width precision neck with 35" scale. it would still just about fit in a normal case, but it would carry the lower string/tuning that little bit more convincingly. as usual, with all the above, ymmv. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>That's what I'm after. What string guages do you = use?

Nik<<

bottom four of a five string set, so 130/105/85/65 sort o= f thing. the thicker the better in terms of preserving the tone, but there = are some trade-offs.

I've done all this stuff to a fender p, a fender p with a= jazz neck, an ibanez musician & a tokai fretless jazz. these are some = of the major issues:

 
actual playability,

pickup-pull
(wolf-notes, the guitar tech books call this- it sounds = like mild ring modulation. in any case, you'll have to back the pickups awa= y from the fat string  because the extra mass makes it louder),

the bend-angle over the bridge saddle (especially since t= his latter has to be pulled right back to correct the intonation of the fat= string, often as far as it can go. this may lead you to shimming the neck,= if it's a bolt-on, to reduce the problem of the bridge height.... you'll n= eed a shim at the front-edge of the neck pocket so that the neck is angled = slightly away from you as you play. this enables the bridge saddles to be s= et lower overall for the same action, & thus reduces the break-angle of= the strings over the saddles),

the string height at the nut
(you may have to open up the slot a bit- think long &= ; hard about this on any "vintage" instrument),

the truss rod adjustment
(if you go for a heavier string for the B to preserve th= e tone, take the others up a notch too or you'll risk twisting the neck wha= tever you do with the truss rod. go 5 heavier across the board. I may be wo= rrying unneccesarily on this point, but I don't like to take chances with 4= 0 year old timber!),

the overall tension on the neck won't be much greater, bu= t you may need to relax the truss rod to let the string "breathe"= across the fingerboard as it vibrates.... the string excursions, as leo de= scribed them, are that bit greater. so, more neck relief than usual is requ= ired.

the wrap around the tuning post.

'pon this latter- I've always felt that "regular&quo= t; long-scale strings, designed for 33-34" scale basses, are too long.= there's too much of the wound part & not enough of the end bit with th= e silk round it. especially on fenders & especially on the low E, I fin= d that I'm wrapping the fat part of the string round the peg & the silk= y bit has all but disappeared.

steve lawson has a great deal more experience than I do i= n terms of "playing out" with these low tunings, & some of hi= s findings or opinions may fly in the face of the "pure physics" = take on this.

a lighter string certainly seems to work better as you us= e less & less of it (i.e. as you play higher up the neck). but for reco= rding purposes, I tend to have worked out a part that stays below the E on = the B string, & thus I prefer a heavier string so that I get a nice fat= tone.

ideally, one would have fender's custom shop make a nice = b-width precision neck with 35" scale. it would still just about fit i= n a normal case, but it would carry the lower string/tuning that little bit= more convincingly.

as usual, with all the above, ymmv.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C675E6.9C888B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 17:36:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71A8A3BEC5; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3L3FqQbspic9NzuaNRtmVhcRsfSG41PtiHIf04su3KZnWHzBx0R7cVgNLGxvyoCF6+lreqrpsvxAbhTNr05+5enOkiIj5JIERlpt9gdzZnvRJD0dOiSsW7rpMM4o0PBt3jSdP+A72v599AOo0+9Q6T/NabCEpIAriGzAMkDWDXg= ; Message-ID: <20060512173623.84961.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Sooperlooper and Jack (was: Re: Buying a laptop for Mobius) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Last night I finally got Sooperlooper working on my Mac G4. First with Jack. Seemed to work fine, no feedback loop. Mark, are you sure you don't have something hooked up oddly? I got it working perfectly but I didn't try getting the MIDI router thing running. Then I attempted (again) to use it with Digital Performer 4.6. VERY frustrating! No matter how I set Jack up it seemed that Sooperlooper wouldn't see any audio at all... Then, in a weird fit of exasperation, I disconnected Jack... and then it worked! Perfectly. Got audio and sync straight from Digital Performer just like you'd think it would work if you hadn't been reading instructions! So. I was able to get two synced loops running nicly from within Digital Performer. Really I was on my way to bed so I didn't spend a lot of time trying to break it, but it seemed to hold sync for as long as it takes me to brush my teeth and floss. Damn my human body and it's biological need for sleep! I guess it's time to visit Jesse's Donate link and paypal him some cash. Seems worth it for sure. --- Jesse Chappell wrote: > On 5/12/06, mark t wrote: > > SooperLooper is cool. I could not get loops to > synch together. also > > jack sucks....i got a nasty feedback loop from it > and unistalled > > everything. perhaps sooperlooper would be more > powerful without jack > > and midipatchbay. > > Yeah, the sync logic is currently a bit confusing. > SL wouldn't be more powerful without JACK, but it > might be more user friendly. > If it allowed you to make the connections (both > audio and midi) > directly from the SL gui, that would help the most. > > jlc > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 18:28:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF8D63BED8; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: E-bows vs Vibrators From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:28:17 +0000 (UTC) So... Thinking of E-bows. Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect with a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 18:44:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9B263BED9; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EPHHTJRRFUNCMiFo+PtMvQB/T0w8g1IjZfeJIAaKoY0EGcfvcfPA1qOjtParXqnEoN4hEnwav2qehii4DbuvusAo+9HiGwD84rLgFpdQaEQPAi2fUJLHt+6lNu7a6nD7gSETSOAwrz8dYRlOSdXynXPPv9xkB6X+76XFtaZ8my4= Message-ID: <913728d60605121144s32fdf003h12e9cc8040cbb1e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:44:38 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators In-Reply-To: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:44:39 +0000 (UTC) actually i hear that the guitar player for the band Tool has done that, and i think Dave Navarro has ddone it, but i can't verify that :) Charlie On 5/12/06, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > So... > > Thinking of E-bows. > > Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. > > Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) > > Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect w= ith > a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 19:22:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1B53BEE2; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:24:59 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Speaking of festivals In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5F5FTD.A.m0E.LCOZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Dang... I should have been paying more attention. I have obligations I can't ditch that weekend. Looks like a terrific festival, though. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Speaking of festivals > > > I'll be playing at this one in Philadelphia if anyone is around and > wants to hang out and talk shop. > > > > http://event.electro-music.com > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36FBF3BECF; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NJpQD55K1mTZaU9u9cuNxbUqd1gFcIVCVU0n5fDGVhG7ayif8s4IBt6wUTsKY8iSXI51jAiNtuJZd+B07bJ6IeFLaZBrygKBjRZ5BCu4mTHKv6QSArRXX1dY4/TqyOppHK4dI44494mthVAIfR0j9yyWSC+Ten9kjiKxjiHud94= ; Message-ID: <20060512200530.56072.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Please take the Surveymonkey MIDI survey even if you posted! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3_amD.A.OpG.fqOZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=617332130237 Even if you posted to the list, take a second to do the surveymonkey version so I can track it and make a graph! PERHAPS EVEN A PIE CHART! That's the link. I got 29 responses so far and the results are very interesting. I'll post them next week. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:06:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6545D3BED2; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QiqjGPFaRVjpe1nfCokp0aulb+FJKe4yCigYTwCzcmqhJHCa9IqNb0dcZ91EEs26XGlUI7Sz4N64HXOxcc8FQ4HwWd666akUPAXBJurE4PKEzShu1cskeACZ8+G7X+zdWfdlWaq0O0fXTo7Z8azTUZqTzOhNtQAVcv7IXjGBjG4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605121306t42e1a614u44dfbf0e56810712@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:06:39 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: Random band name generator MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:06:40 +0000 (UTC) http://www.elsewhere.org/bandname This kept me amused for longer than I'd like to admit. My favorite so far is "angstfinger" --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:22:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A9393BED3; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:21:46 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.170.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060512202152.615DD3344F5@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:22:41 +0000 (UTC) I'll have to ask my good lady Wife. I wonder if you can get the same effect as a vibrator with an E-bow. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: E-bows vs Vibrators Date: 12/05/06 18:28 So... Thinking of E-bows. Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect with a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? Cheers, Kevin ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:27:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DBB63BEDE; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hlc3G2GZJ2OD5pIpqVkjiHbnnd2zbQ2YKQT0RSsC8ygDFdxFLOfLrXuRQGst5htXqqnPlQ3XtDLHT5EZC41HuUV84IWVRaoOKVnvndMMfIUMNg6opnRrfa029HMWQb/GolJrfCL8nRUpFBEfhy1WRpWVY++/KixxnH59OijtBw4= Message-ID: <913728d60605121327y13e4768cs14df124263bbce86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:27:11 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please take the Surveymonkey MIDI survey even if you posted! In-Reply-To: <20060512200530.56072.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> <20060512200530.56072.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:27:12 +0000 (UTC) thats cool :) when do we get to see the results? Charlie On 5/12/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=3D617332130237 > > Even if you posted to the list, take a second to do > the surveymonkey version so I can track it and make a > graph! PERHAPS EVEN A PIE CHART! > > That's the link. I got 29 responses so far and the > results are very interesting. I'll post them next > week. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:30:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF86C3BEE6; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m/oe+isA7yRoSNsE9l4It2n1kXGGik02FTJSx9rbXzmL+R6k/Xl5v/16nmQ5Ck5aV7dFERQenCId+VKzZQ3LdSirjGQQ+l7TZA7wZRymxDRt3UqwETFGMMBrGdVKn6TDNXpruiWpKiJA2Sw6sHPE7SXr0excf8hWWVMRY/SID+4= ; Message-ID: <20060512203002.84213.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: Random band name generator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605121306t42e1a614u44dfbf0e56810712@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-765214784-1147465802=:83248" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2sAQBD.A.C6H.OBPZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:30:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-765214784-1147465802=:83248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stack of Ducks Smokable Hammer The Movable Dog Conspiracy The Caustic Goat Sound Two Guns and a Synth The Famous Puppy Fondlers Art Simon wrote: http://www.elsewhere.org/bandname This kept me amused for longer than I'd like to admit. My favorite so far is "angstfinger" -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-765214784-1147465802=:83248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.elsewhere.org/bandname
This kept me amused for longer than I'd like to admit. My favorite so
far is "angstfinger"
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Art Simon
simart@null.net
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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-765214784-1147465802=:83248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81293BED2; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bGMPmdRYPJO/JthwsaPD1EoLl9pDjNrUyMf1chR92ZfAFNj5kjYmeneyqoJCUoiHevcMSUxYJ0jPWA+dS1cuHatHzK77HYS9ckeq1zsHecEOHZY4/sEaO4CVs5Xa1tnjAJdOm/sQ8TtttvltLEBm+UoBAK5YdT45rsneaolvJro= ; Message-ID: <20060512203458.49872.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Random band name generator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605121306t42e1a614u44dfbf0e56810712@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8LsG-C.A.WP.zFPZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Heh, when I saw that it said it occasionally generates real bands' names, I thought I'd see which one would come up first. Had a couple close but no cigars of variations on Box of Frogs (mid 80's former Yardbirds project), but then Motorhead popped up. -t- --- Art Simon wrote: > http://www.elsewhere.org/bandname > This kept me amused for longer than I'd like to > admit. My favorite so > far is "angstfinger" > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:36:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177723BEE6; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Please take the Surveymonkey MIDI survey even if you posted! Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:36:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <913728d60605121327y13e4768cs14df124263bbce86@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: AcZ2AnRPwo3RcefdSnGk+00DRmEGnAAAS8XA Message-Id: <20060512203625.B779B3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:36:26 +0000 (UTC) I just filled out the survey. We want results! We want results! ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Please take the Surveymonkey MIDI survey even if you posted! > > thats cool :) > when do we get to see the results? > > > Charlie > > On 5/12/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=617332130237 > > > > Even if you posted to the list, take a second to do > > the surveymonkey version so I can track it and make a > > graph! PERHAPS EVEN A PIE CHART! > > > > That's the link. I got 29 responses so far and the > > results are very interesting. I'll post them next > > week. > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4F2F3BEF6; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oGHvb6tVdcLM1JoOK2lQsxabtDfSOHZU5j8VuJM9sZapzYB61Z9qSb8umuo9TYG5vmI4hteRez9N349SwdncTl6Niv9lBYUH+Pvw/m4RRpoIDFpWu6XM3ZbolNcZMy7fI3YinAk18IfkwTV7mcWERRGXihHS09IUShUGbycfLiU= Message-ID: <913728d60605121336u15c17117qb2bf2bacc8514299@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:36:26 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for my next Ninjam partner In-Reply-To: <038701c67511$a8cae1c0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <038701c67511$a8cae1c0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:36:27 +0000 (UTC) i'd be glad to play with you on ninjam, but it'd have to be at least next week...things are kinda busy this week... Charlie On 5/11/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm looking for my next Ninjam partner...I have access to a new server th= at > supports the software, plus I can stream to the group from my Shoutcast > server. Anyone interested? I want to start getting serious about virtual > performance with folks on this group and recording them. I don't have th= e > time or resources to travel all over the world with a day job and twins a= t > home, but I can sure do it this way! > > Send me a note if you are interested. I plan to do one jam a month, > potentially two. This will be all free improv stuff...I can talk more ab= out > approach later. > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Looper's Delight Playlist - > http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3B53BEF0; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4464F2F7.4020909@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:41:27 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators References: <20060512192252.B89693BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060512192252.B89693BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Soon as I saw the title of this email, I laughed and said the words, "Reeves Gabrels". :-) Have some great video footage of Tin Machine playing an outside set at an airport (LAX???) with RG using his "alternate EBow device"...thanks for triggering a cool memory... Dennis >So... > >Thinking of E-bows. > >Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. > >Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) > >Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect with >a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? > >Cheers, >Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 20:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47EC23BEF4; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S6f09TnGHOQ3Ce02sr9yEOXIVXfkb9iK1mEZ6H9w0brsgr9HHcgor1XoFRIb38cx1pBb5gnOaosYpnS849ZUV/87uYCB5JgFkmluMu+pN/G/BDqgf9ISQZwYRFxOy14RW0l7gltxNrd/N8AgK81nCb8OTTo3IQE3SgdYeeXNyzg= ; Message-ID: <20060512204832.50636.qmail@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:48:32 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Truly, the sprit of Steve Hillage is upon thee ! He's been exciting the strings on his instrument with "neck massagers" for years. He has different types, and reckons he gets different tones from the various models. There are probably Google-able interviews with him about this. Whatever turns you on, I suppose. Wonder if he can write them off as tax deductable ? - Tony --- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: [ about things ex-hippies use to get their guitars going ] ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 21:03:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC3A3BEDE; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Morphine and two saxes? Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:03:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Andy asked if it was two saxes played by one guy and in the three shows I saw them play early and mid career it was only one bari.. ......man did it sound good, though....................so LOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!! inspired the hell out of me. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 21:20:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C043BED6; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <1b9609ed7ca698e03afcc1628a5f1487@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Speaking of festivals Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:20:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:20:24 +0000 (UTC) It should be interesting. I know hardly any of the musicians. But I=20 know Tom McNalley and I planning on a fiery set...in celebration of =20 our new CD "Zugzwang".....which should be out next week. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 12, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Dang... I should have been paying more attention. I have obligations I=20= > can't > ditch that weekend. Looks like a terrific festival, though. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:29 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Speaking of festivals >> >> >> I'll be playing at this one in Philadelphia if anyone is around and >> wants to hang out and talk shop. >> >> >>> http://event.electro-music.com >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 21:45:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5C93BED0; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xy6Gli1nJHM+YiSEs6psoZiuM4DA+xEF1ut3tX4MzSluAWdwaJbZcSpGxGmVmtH1OhuIrZoGLmr8rpf7ujCoo9v3aioH0WWx3ljiHuYjgUChtXjPR+FEBbLcsz/CIxrmIZlUHZDHCXWT/Dyt+sGvX6i+u6O8vDhxZcc6XPFEqs0= ; Message-ID: <20060512214539.70883.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Morphine and two saxes? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, Dana Colley often did the Roland Kirk two-sax thing. I think the remaining two Morphiners are playing in a 3 piece with former Face To Face singer/guitarist Laurie Sargent called The Twinemen, living here in New Hampshire. I never met them, but Morphine recorded at Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA at the same time my old band Heavens to Murgatroid did (1992). They didn't have a name yet; I remember the big dry-erase board where we were blocking out mixdown time and competing for available slots with "The Mark Sandman Project". (RIP) Thinking back, it's possible that they *recorded* elsewhere (Q-Division?) but were mixing at the Fort... -t- --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Andy asked if it was two saxes played by one guy > and in the three shows I saw them play early and > mid career it was only one bari.. 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 22:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6EA13BEB6; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hYJJVb7i6xO3LdDogWoM/qh1A8+zicsXBgs3MNyEL7iqLDqATG8oNTw5GIxI03gzpg1aCczSuSiwQAogcFdcQI6bkI9B1ADsnFvH3PgD+vAdRvxzT4L12gcftfeTHHFPHjEzg8w8/s+t8U1VldwgoMY3p+iuiYgsBNQMRgT+EJI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:47:50 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: "Todd Howell" Subject: Re: GI-20 and 13 pin noise! Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <31601478.1147230179369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31716_21166300.1147474070472" References: <31601478.1147230179369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:47:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31716_21166300.1147474070472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Interesting...I just got a Godin XTSA and am using it with a Roland GR-1. I have found that I DO get noise from the PIEZOS when plugging in if I haven'= t turned the pre-amp down first. Have you considered that? Otherwise, I love this guitar. I run the piezo line through a Lexicon Vorte= x and then through a Lexicon 110 set up to give an octave and reverb. The electric signal goes through two Vortexes and a Lexicon 200 set up with reverse delays on both channels. Both lines then go out through their own Boss GigaDelays to the mix and the amp...12-string goodness, sweet electric= s when I use the Ebow with it. I'm a happy camper these days. Just need to find more time to play it! Dennis Moser http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com On 5/9/06, Todd Howell wrote: > > Mark, > > Try having the 13 pin cable already plugged into the GI-20 and having it > connected to the rest of the rig as previously described. Then, plug the = 13 > pin cable into the Godin LGXT and try playing. I know this doesn't sound > like much of a change in the order of things. But I play the same guitar > through a GR-33 and I've always done it this way and never had a noise > problem. There's been a slight compression problem when taking the signal > from the GR-33 into the amp. But that might be another kettle of fish. Al= so, > try checking the 13 pin connection at the guitar and making sure that it = is > "locking" in securely. One of my LGXT's has had this problem from day one= . > > Tell us how it works. > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- > >From: mark t > >Sent: May 9, 2006 10:45 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: GI-20 and 13 pin noise! > > > >What the hell! When I plug the into my GI-20 I am now noticing a > >large amount of noise introduced into my guitar signal! What is up! > >I just got the guitar (Godin LGXT) and GI-20 last week! What gives. > >I dont get it cause midi is data should be no noise. Anyone got any > >ideas??? I think it might be the cable. Is this possible. I just > >dont know what else is up. If I plug the guitar into my amp all is > >fine....if I plus the GK cable into my guitar all is fine....if I than > >plug the other end of that cable into the GI-20 all this noise > >appears! What is going on!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ------=_Part_31716_21166300.1147474070472 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Interesting...I just got a Godin XTSA and am using it with a Roland GR-1. I= have found that I DO get noise from the PIEZOS when plugging in if I haven= 't turned the pre-amp down first.

Have you considered that?

Otherwise, I love this guitar. I run the piezo line through a Lexicon Vorte= x and then through a Lexicon 110 set up to give an octave and reverb. The e= lectric signal goes through two Vortexes and a Lexicon 200 set up with reve= rse delays on both channels. Both lines then go out through their own Boss = GigaDelays to the mix and the amp...12-string goodness, sweet electrics whe= n I use the Ebow with it. I'm a happy camper these days. Just need to find = more time to play it!

Dennis Moser
http://u= srslashsbin.angrek.com

On 5/9/0= 6, Todd Howell < ransacker@earthlink.net> wrote:
Mark,

Try having the 13 pin cable alread= y plugged into the GI-20 and having it connected to the rest of the rig as = previously described. Then, plug the 13 pin cable into the Godin LGXT and t= ry playing. I know this doesn't sound like much of a change in the order of= things. But I play the same guitar through a GR-33 and I've always done it= this way and never had a noise problem. There's been a slight compression = problem when taking the signal from the GR-33 into the amp. But that might = be another kettle of fish. Also, try checking the 13 pin connection at the = guitar and making sure that it is "locking" in securely. One of m= y LGXT's has had this problem from day one.

Tell us how it works.

Todd

-----Original Message-----=
>From: mark t <aleatoric= 12@gmail.com>
>Sent: May 9, 2006 10:45 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: GI-20 and 13 pin no= ise!
>
>What the hell!  When I plug the into my GI-20= I am now noticing a
>large amount of noise introduced into my guitar= signal!  What is up!
>I just got the guitar (Godin LGXT) and GI-20 last week!  = What gives.
>I dont get it cause midi is data should be no noise.&nbs= p; Anyone got any
>ideas???  I think it might be the c= able.  Is this possible.  I just
>dont know what else is up.  If I plug the guitar into my = amp all is
>fine....if I plus the GK cable into my guitar all is fine= ....if I than
>plug the other end of that cable into the GI-20 all th= is noise
>appears!  What is going on!!!!!!!!!!
>


------=_Part_31716_21166300.1147474070472-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 23:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F2C3BED6; Fri, 12 May 2006 23:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=soOnkT8rDegyJ1fB2bQ1tnFsxtQOZpGzzgs8srwCO/EecwMwccpOwIqcKr2Bg4XlX+0YDNplPexi1KbPyomMLckklVS41xWNBpg6EkNgkdIg9dicslIGrG3OsOdz5RFQFs2xhfAxaeWAVlieDlH5gQ7s4k3Pzn7s6OfUP7oW4Gg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:00:40 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: mungenast@earthlink.net Subject: Re: something to hold the rack onstage Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <15294084.1147193894150.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31856_8140665.1147474840734" References: <15294084.1147193894150.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3baQdD.A.s7G.aORZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:00:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31856_8140665.1147474840734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Tim, I set my 4-U Gator rack bag on a keyboard stand...not quite chest-high (I'm 6'3"), but at a height that I can reach the lowest unit while standing and yet low enough that I can reach the top unit while playing seated. It's one of those X-cross folding type that you can usually find at GC for not too much. I took a piece of plywood that is about four inches deeper than the Gator bag and put that on top, so it's a little more stable. On 5/9/06, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > > Hey Gang! > > I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good cost-effective stand that > could hold my 4-up rack roughly chest-high (I'm 6'). I did not see anythi= ng > online and the Tools of the Trade page understandably does not cover it. > > Thanks, > Tim > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > ------=_Part_31856_8140665.1147474840734 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Tim,

I set my 4-U Gator rack bag on a keyboard stand...not quite che= st-high (I'm 6'3"), but at a height that I can reach the lowest unit w= hile standing and yet low enough that I can reach the top unit while playin= g seated.

It's one of those X-cross folding type that you can usually find at= GC for not too much. I took a piece of plywood that is about four inches d= eeper than the Gator bag and put that on top, so it's a little more stable.

On 5/9/06, mungenast@earthlink.net <mungenast@earthlink.n= et > wrote:
Hey Gang!

I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good cost-effect= ive stand that could hold my 4-up rack roughly chest-high (I'm 6'). I did n= ot see anything online and the Tools of the Trade page understandably does = not cover it.

Thanks,
Tim
w= ww.myspace.com/timmungenast


------=_Part_31856_8140665.1147474840734-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 12 23:20:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A4F3BED3; Fri, 12 May 2006 23:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Pfr54aFUWiyhGTbyRJu79riTvhrQ0CO96BTLu+bG8tpLLh7sv5qEiSgJTdHmQFYVT2hX8gCMLRT0kBcC5Hx7osEI6SgE/bYhmXAKdoNIGQpfIp86vMEwifcPh5oV2nEPA+KoT6TjaPViUZcs9g30Y4xbGa2rXUqgSHNzwFHxOwo= ; Message-ID: <20060512231959.33419.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Please take the Surveymonkey MIDI survey even if you posted! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605121327y13e4768cs14df124263bbce86@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:20:01 +0000 (UTC) I donno.. maybe let it go until next friday? --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > thats cool :) > when do we get to see the results? > > > Charlie > > On 5/12/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=617332130237 > > > > Even if you posted to the list, take a second to > do > > the surveymonkey version so I can track it and > make a > > graph! PERHAPS EVEN A PIE CHART! > > > > That's the link. I got 29 responses so far and > the > > results are very interesting. I'll post them next > > week. > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 00:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BE1D3BEB3; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07fd01c67625$81f76720$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Freeware Software Mixer? Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:38:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 561, in=309809, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that sophisticated. I just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, mix, and then export to wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, but I was hoping for an interface that looked more mixer like. I'd use my existing ProTools, but it's the version that won't run without mBox hooked up to it....#@!*%!?# Thanks, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 00:54:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10CB23BED2; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: Freeware Software Mixer? Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:53:52 -0700 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <07fd01c67625$81f76720$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> thread-index: AcZ2JYJi935/XjK1QAmclB5Pb2bAzwAAeuLw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Check out WavePad: http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/masters.html. Steve Mark LooperToolsT www.LooperTools.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freeware Software Mixer? Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that sophisticated. I just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, mix, and then export to wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, but I was hoping for an interface that looked more mixer like. I'd use my existing ProTools, but it's the version that won't run without mBox hooked up to it....#@!*%!?# Thanks, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 01:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD543BED9; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bfgZcEtn88T4UOand/6htqajRM/bDSCv0u8u5AyRVe6zoq/Hf7MtCbzT02YJmgHiEOV3mAetyeMJzYisQAljq7vtc4he+idadCFIMg3hgT0XIz1rGcnscVKp5NHOmS7q1oOICcc/MX9GoZCF7NkwJJjoC7gefavhPlkGrdZ72YI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:18:45 -0700 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <07fd01c67625$81f76720$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:18:47 +0000 (UTC) http://www.goldwave.com/ On 5/12/06, Steve Mark wrote: > Check out WavePad: http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/masters.html. > > Steve Mark > LooperToolsT > www.LooperTools.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Freeware Software Mixer? > > Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? > Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that sophisticated. I > just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, mix, and then export to > wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, but I was hoping for an > interface that looked more mixer like. > > I'd use my existing ProTools, but it's the version that won't run without > mBox hooked up to it....#@!*%!?# > > Thanks, > > Kris > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 02:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B903BEEA; Sat, 13 May 2006 02:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bBPcYQhFlRX7v9McJcZfX/8Ww/7VOd+K6PCfOL/MCj0MvtKus3lwW5b4PIS4w5xtAokgw4j7S5FcKJPdNNAAXjKZrfwu1Hl0pbh+j/yuwKWGXUC5nfx8nvUfaTQ55hICRZyUErWzrDCA+H2JKMlu1VWldwFsUSpSsOL1aZ3bih4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605121914xadd6bb9o200b81e0c746a27e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:03 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <07fd01c67625$81f76720$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:14:07 +0000 (UTC) On 5/12/06, Joey wrote: > http://www.goldwave.com/ I use goldwave all the time, but I don't think it's free. Cheap though, like $20 or something. --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA94E3BEDA; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=CDm9W23POiO5OfSWP0ea/fUYqlN2v3dN/WTxzu7t+0ugct/R7mNgqXArM3Zl30qB/ETagAUHo7y7r1BIzIQApP0CajWLUDXS8sBVoAX+HXLi3iB32ETelsxF9OVX37emU76/qf/REY4PEn1VvZMNAg65K7vXwa1wY59QmcJJG/Y= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: myspace Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:11:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZzoIKeUFQlnPczR7eAZwSVhFBP1gCmajUg In-Reply-To: <1329.212.205.234.68.1147203310.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060513031107.6456C3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1_-YQ.A.U-D.M5UZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:11:08 +0000 (UTC) okay, i feel like a lemming, but... i've got a page up on myspace (free shameless self-promotion). http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple it has links to my real webpage as well as the myspace page for one of my (non-looping) bands, The John Tower Group. fans of noodley meanderings should check 'em out. m 8^{|} ================================== http://www.twistedapplerecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:13:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0A953BEE6; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pyQGOvpAz+DwdKr3bJhy42Mk3sJVf788JPc0redHX17obGuAxtrg9NRABQ9c371hbtcCuRD0vBidz5IC9WIf3P01QMUWGpXSji6PO+lwGjZsU4+sODtZ7v8Cege5xhHaDYarNxAI7t5Rkvwdst3/SsR2NMwH/VjB/SrjdL4aRXE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:13:12 -0400 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605121914xadd6bb9o200b81e0c746a27e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <07fd01c67625$81f76720$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> <588ce11d0605121914xadd6bb9o200b81e0c746a27e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Yeah It's pretty cheap although the demo never really expires. On 5/12/06, Art Simon wrote: > On 5/12/06, Joey wrote: > > http://www.goldwave.com/ > I use goldwave all the time, but I don't think it's free. Cheap > though, like $20 or something. > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:14:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D40433BEF3; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Freeware Software Mixer? Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> Resent-Message-ID: <2EqAaB.A.-XE.K8UZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Does the "Region" stuff they talk about only exist in the bought version? (It's still pretty reasonable-cheap actually). I assume by regions it means if you want to take a specific area and tweak it you can only do that in the master version/ is this correct? Goldwave looks pretty cool. By the way, N-track does a cool job as well. www.n-track.com ~peace~ Michael Music from the Infinite Horizon... www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freeware Software Mixer? Check out WavePad: http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/masters.html. Steve Mark LooperToolsT www.LooperTools.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freeware Software Mixer? Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that sophisticated. I just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, mix, and then export to wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, but I was hoping for an interface that looked more mixer like. I'd use my existing ProTools, but it's the version that won't run without mBox hooked up to it....#@!*%!?# Thanks, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:26:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1C573BEE6; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XrM6sLOq1sAAH0M/eVBG/O66JCJ7Q2jBui489WnAfU7IMp0Swa8UL9hgNzayAxThyU2fKSZoIux/N90Om9yAGzsimNKh78Xd1aJpS2BpGjX0VorIRGO7Tdxkmjn29LwFz5hK2ZAbjtMkl6aCP9baZRXy/tNd2VvyHUiLe7SkLzY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:26:26 -0400 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:26:29 +0000 (UTC) The evaluation has all the functions as the registered version and I just checked and noticed that the price has gone up to $50 .. I still think it is well worth the price though. If you want to edit just one section of a file you can select that section by clicking and dragging your mouse over it and running your edits on the section alone. If you want completely free you can give Audacity a try. This is multi platform (MAC, WIN, Linux) and does everything that Goldwave can do. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ On 5/12/06, Michael Plishka wrote: > Does the "Region" stuff they talk about only exist in the bought version? > (It's still pretty reasonable-cheap actually). I assume by regions it mea= ns > if you want to take a specific area and tweak it you can only do that in = the > master version/ is this correct? Goldwave looks pretty cool. > > By the way, N-track does a cool job as well. www.n-track.com > > ~peace~ > > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:26:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16BD63BEFE; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c801c6763d$4582f210$8f28050a@raem50> From: "Reid Ertsgaard" To: References: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: request for advice Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:44:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:26:57 +0000 (UTC) I want to add a Firewire audio (with or without MIDI since I already have a midi) interface to my rig to connect my instruments and mic to my laptop for recording and possible performance interface. The local Guitar Center recommended the PreSonus "Firebox" but they have several others that are all around the $299.00 pricepoint. What do people use/recommend and why? Thanks! Reid Think Pay attention The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open. - Gunter Grass From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0343BEFF; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c901c6763d$45b9e090$8f28050a@raem50> From: "Reid Ertsgaard" To: References: <913728d60605101646g7462a43ar5a8ded142ced7a76@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: cool cello multitracking video Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:38:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Cool, yes. Beautiful, yes. Looping? No. Reid Think Pay attention The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open. - Gunter Grass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: cool cello multitracking video Hello fellow loopers! I don't know if this counts as looping or multitracking, but i've seen some cool videos like this being sent around LD, so here is a guy playing a 37 part cello piece by himself :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsavk0FX3Ro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:28:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4FCA3BF02; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kXRy40oRwu3LvkAEZakBYxsR2r3JO7McskBGuvmjMIXdWZfAfXuW4eSLb1ItLCQPuOsPkzKhd/HVal9li1k1wQfzHGigYOpUHBJ75A+Z8ht9wrKqmCUkOECPPfz7w1W1k7C9GPIykobXxKWj6H+y3xIaa7Cfyo60+KkNrHEGNi8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:28:08 -0400 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <009b01c67627$b49d5610$650fa8c0@maui> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:28:09 +0000 (UTC) I should say it does almost everything that Goldwave can do. On 5/12/06, Joey wrote: > If you want completely free you can give Audacity a try. This is multi > platform (MAC, WIN, Linux) and does everything that Goldwave can do. > > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 03:35:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBE213BF04; Sat, 13 May 2006 03:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UwL6Wkt/xhScURrBW89rZcXQJpt9vrWbJ8mwh8uAAWHbC1+yZDAEnJNSRYEBK6pWx0ERWnji3pMWjVRe7uZ7xxJI+cPTJMA/VCvAtIZFrJG3a8Mm2haB0YGNp32bhnrvduC7EY4syFljjmtzvSR19ghbUkj23c7qYHFUzuW6+QQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:35:48 -0400 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: request for advice In-Reply-To: <00c801c6763d$4582f210$8f28050a@raem50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> <00c801c6763d$4582f210$8f28050a@raem50> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:35:49 +0000 (UTC) I'm using the Firebox because I wanted a firewire device for recording and I wanted something really small that wouldn't get in the way that would allow me to take it on the road and hook up to a laptop. I've been using it for about 4 months now and I am really happy with it. I am pretty pleased with the sound of the preamps in the front which means I don't need to add a preamp to my setup any time soon. If you pick up a firebox in May you can get a bunch of free plugins. Check out the presonus site for the list. http://www.presonus.com/may06rebate.html On 5/12/06, Reid Ertsgaard wrote: > I want to add a Firewire audio (with or without MIDI since I already have= a midi) interface to my rig to connect my instruments and > mic to my laptop for recording and possible performance interface. > > The local Guitar Center recommended the PreSonus "Firebox" but they have = several others that are all around the $299.00 pricepoint. > > What do people use/recommend and why? > > Thanks! > > Reid > Think > Pay attention > > The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open. - Gunter Grass > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 04:27:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87A73BEDD; Sat, 13 May 2006 04:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Freeware Software Mixer? Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001c67645$834906e0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <07fd01c67625$81f76720$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ2OsXtRBzL6bndTdik7a8OhgmzOgACqy0Q Resent-Message-ID: <3nUmkC.A.gpH.gAWZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 04:27:12 +0000 (UTC) http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ Tony -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Freeware Software Mixer? Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that sophisticated. I just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, mix, and then export to wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, but I was hoping for an interface that looked more mixer like. I'd use my existing ProTools, but it's the version that won't run without mBox hooked up to it....#@!*%!?# Thanks, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 07:59:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ED2E3BEEC; Sat, 13 May 2006 07:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dlvZKY9SfHhzFMTos3m4NHnzcZGsWQzN0T/qdOyfprpo28iJ67ahZdlYNzA8EWpv3Flk+TQIUGPqSkzaSKjrwXElDEnAYKoWRj2UbwlvomGQJvy5lwlsUNCBUf/9831FFfTjpdfOFasW1F/Ic8ENqU4rusgHzux7TTO84tLVOK0= In-Reply-To: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Morphine and two saxes? Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:59:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:59:59 +0000 (UTC) On 12 maj 2006, at 23.03, loop.pool wrote: > Andy asked if it was two saxes played by one guy and in the three > shows I saw them play early and mid career it was only one bari.. I once played baritone in a soul band that also had a second baritone sax player. Those Wilson Picket riffs came out very heavy as we always played in unisone with a third guy on trumpet doubling one or two octaves up. Bari is a cool instrument but way too heavy to carry hanging from your neck. I sold it very long ago but it stills comes back in my dreams, now looking like a four meter long vacuum cleaner that I blow into to make huge snarling sounds ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 08:10:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7230A3BEF6; Sat, 13 May 2006 08:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 04:09:27 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44659437.3090004@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:10:08 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 13 at 6:00 am EST / GMT-4. That's less than two hours from NOW!! I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 08:16:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A873BEFC; Sat, 13 May 2006 08:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAB8yZUSBS4c0LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060513091221.01a8cd60@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:16:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: <20060513011847.805C93BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060513011847.805C93BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:16:52 +0000 (UTC) At 02:18 13/05/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? >Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that >sophisticated. I just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, >mix, and then export to wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, >but I was hoping for an interface that looked more mixer like. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Audacity is free, I guess it would do the job. ( haven't actually tried it, being an Audition user) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 09:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9653BEF6; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6bgEhSFloIEI59kTmA8ZuvuUCauVJIAziUT/CvdWMn7vBEio6ojdLQg0jtbG/HEKLU1fZ2syOO6uXqgs3PaECTBKL3btCHqL/7lE9Yx0+3ty7mr1d/fmifVc3cHdG8s5dNzb7kktKMIrvcY+OpkD54nGM0ZMNFRRJ5VyjGXaflo= ; Message-ID: <20060513091306.65294.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: request for advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c801c6763d$4582f210$8f28050a@raem50> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:13:08 +0000 (UTC) i just ordered an RME fireface800 that i am trading for my RME multiface,because of its reliability i am upgrading. cheers Luis --- Reid Ertsgaard wrote: > I want to add a Firewire audio (with or without MIDI > since I already have a midi) interface to my rig to > connect my instruments and > mic to my laptop for recording and possible > performance interface. > > The local Guitar Center recommended the PreSonus > "Firebox" but they have several others that are all > around the $299.00 pricepoint. > > What do people use/recommend and why? > > Thanks! > > Reid > Think > Pay attention > > The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open. - > Gunter Grass > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 09:47:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CB733BEC5; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <3fb.238cdfb.3197053b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 05:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1147513659" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <8qu_EB.A.OeG.CtaZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:47:46 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1147513659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audacity would certainly do the job. _http://www.geocities.com/sarge_art_ (http://www.geocities.com/sarge_art) http://marksargeant.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------1147513659 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Audacity would certainly do the job.
 
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 -------------------------------1147513659-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 09:49:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73F73BEDA; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4465AB97.5020706@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:49:11 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? References: <20060513011847.805C93BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060513091221.01a8cd60@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060513091221.01a8cd60@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:49:20 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > At 02:18 13/05/2006, you wrote: >> Does anyone know of a freeware mixer I can use for mixing wav files? >> Something like ProTools, but it doesn't need to be that sophisticated. >> I just need to be able to import wav or MP3 files, mix, and then >> export to wav. I guess I could use Acid, if I had too, but I was >> hoping for an interface that looked more mixer like. > > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > > Audacity is free, > I guess it would do the job. Audacity is awesome. a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 12:24:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 526AE3BEC7; Sat, 13 May 2006 12:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Ninjamming Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:24:00 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c67688$1da94460$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67698.E1321460" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ2iB0OJsGqfAECSyWCrJ5JmdblPA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:24:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67698.E1321460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear loopers (and other guys as well), I'll also put out the call for people interested in doing internet-based jams. Looping not required, but cool. Brass/wind instruments and trapset players preferred, but not required. Contact me offlist, pls. Rainer ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67698.E1321460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear = loopers (and=20 other guys as well),
 
I'll = also put out=20 the call for people interested in doing internet-based jams. Looping not = required, but cool. Brass/wind instruments and trapset players = preferred, but=20 not required. Contact me offlist, pls.
 
    Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67698.E1321460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 12:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 840233BECD; Sat, 13 May 2006 12:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yn65q7sdiW1LmXeJUm1vj2zSHRQXJNDBAX8Ty5l3eroUdaIYkXOVUL9pxF9OrkVT2NH49SJ+tPNdofWOQ2fYrcn1eJdaY0TSP0+fnpEijsaJQ/lmQ8IBO7tuPFBV+BjjW2W9F0u1bZ0Q8q9MVutFHkr+mVPtrbm5ydVnYaORgBU= ; Message-ID: <20060513125926.84938.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 05:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8B258406-E208-450E-86A9-4C241D5BC3C8@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:59:27 +0000 (UTC) funny that the subject ive been curious about has come up,until now ive been syncing my loops to drum machines and samplers but i always had the feeling that not a lot of people on this list were too interested about it.No other looper works better than the EDP if u use it as the master.Since i got the MPC1000 ive been using the mpc as the master which also works ok, except the ocasional drifts when i use the EDPs in stereo.But aside from not finding much motivation with midi sync in this list or even recordings(note that i am aiming this more to guitarrists) ive also become discourage doing this live, since people tend to misinterpret live synced-looping for pre-sequenced programmed stuff... Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 14:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538B13BECD; Sat, 13 May 2006 14:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.25.123.47] X-Originating-Email: [ecleverdon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ecleverdon@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1329.212.205.234.68.1147203310.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> From: "edwin cleverdon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:19:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2006 14:19:47.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A04E860:01C67698] Resent-Message-ID: <0iQWdD.A.97C.FseZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Music123.com has reduced the price to about $410. The EH HOG price has also dropped. >From: "Costas Andreou" >Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:35:10 +0300 (EEST) > >Hello everyone! >The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper was delivered to me >recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a small review for anyone >interested in this new looper. > >The 2880 is well designed and well build, with quality knobs, pots and >faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected and this is a plus, at >least for me. > >This is a user friendly machine - especially those who are familiar with >any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel at home right away. It >is great to have faders and pan pots for each track/loop and control these >parameters in real time. > >The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, no hiss, no artifacts, >no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom before clipping and >they sound good with various sources. The converter sounds nice - no cheap >digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and clear and the faders >have that nice feel you expect when you need to do smooth fade ins/outs, >small changes or big moves. > >Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple mono or stereo loops can >be recorded of four different tracks and you are free to mix everything >down to a stereo track to have the other ones available for additional >work. You can move the faders and pan pots during mixdown and everything >will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you hear it. You can also >record onto the mixdown track as many times as you like and keep the >previous stuff there, too. > >Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the octave button and you are >also free to do bends up and down with the tempo slider. The reverse >feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can be active at the same >time. > >Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very simple steps to follow. >If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, there are no problems at >all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, the 2880 becomes an >instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated looper machine out >there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I suggest you spend the >additional money to get the foot controller too, because it really makes >live work easier and more fluid. You can't do everything on the fly >without the controller, except if both of your hands are free. > >Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync succesfully to a sequencer or a >drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, simple and effective. > >A metronome with its own level knob is also included. It sounds like the >clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake plastic snare here. This >click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to assist the performer, but >it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The metronome is output >through the headphones jack, allowing for further dub style processing. >;-) > >The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will appreciate this. You >can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact flash card is >displayed as an external hard drive. The files are the standard .wav and >can be easily moved, for backup or further process. > >Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the control and the power >to do things as fluidly as possible. > >Feel free to ask questions. >:-) > >Greetings from Athens >Costas > >http://www.costasandreou.com >contact@costasandreou.com > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 15:25:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E79443BEB8; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <087e01c676a1$64e06e80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060513011847.805C93BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060513091221.01a8cd60@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Freeware Software Mixer? Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:24:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 561, in=301569, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Wow, thanks for all the recommendations. I'll be downloading these soon to try them out. I particularly like the multitrack mixers. I have been using wavlab for some time now for single wav editing, which I love. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 18:13:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18A4D3BED8; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446621B5.5010306@knology.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:13:09 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmont@knology.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Indigo i/o References: <4464A825.6070002@knology.net> In-Reply-To: <4464A825.6070002@knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Well, then it seems I'm pretty much par here. To answer Per, I input directly from a minidisc recorder's outputs, a cassette deck (both maxed at -12Db) and a stereo mic. I didn't expect much from the direct mic, but the results from line level inputs threw a flag. Running them all through a Mackie 1202, I could pump it up to reasonable. It seems that to incorporate this into a performance rig, I'm gonna need a mixer on either side unless I want to run everything through the laptop all the time. I suppose I could get a mixer with subs capabilities (1604 or the like) and do some creative patching. 90% of the time in performance, I'll just run Live5, with do direct input in the laptop. I was looking forward to experimenting with Mobius in a live setting. But, I don't want to have to repatch everything mid-set. still scheming; dm -- www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery -------------------- www.getcoffeecup.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 18:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38F8C3BEDC; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <446621B5.5010306@knology.net> References: <4464A825.6070002@knology.net> <446621B5.5010306@knology.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:28:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, dmont@knology.net From: David Gans Subject: new loop piece; two loops! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Recorded yesterday: a new studio performance of "Quarter to Five." http://www.trufun.com/audio/Quarter-to-Five_v1.mp3 I recently bought some new gear, and now I am able to run two independent loops. My first application of this facility is to create what I call "lenticular clouds": using an overdrive to create a rich, sustained tone, and a volume pedal, and working with a loop of arbitrary duration, I create multiple layers of notes that fade in and out, overlapping at random times and in random combinations of harmonious and dissonant intervals. Having created a cloud layer, I switched to the other looper and started a piece called "Quarter to Five" and developed two or three distinct sections, using different guitar tones and effects. I recorded the entire mess into the Microtrack and then loaded it into the Sonic Solutions digital editing system, where I was able to edit out the boring/sloppy/distorted parts and then build the final composition by crossfading between the two main sections of "Quarter to Five" (one simpler, with more discernable "acoustic" guitar and the other fuller, with several layers of legato guitar melody). I also made multiple copies of the cloud bed and arranged them on four tracks, out of sync, creating new areas of dissonance and complexity. Now I'm trying to decide if I'm going to schlep all this gear over to the Larkspur Cafe for tonight's show - which has to do with whether I feel I'm ready to use it in public after only one day of rehearsal at home. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 18:53:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AD6C3BEE8; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44662B21.3020508@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:53:21 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: e-bow the double bass, was Re: Re:Re Ebow question References: <051020062120.19198.4462591F000C7F6700004AFE2200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <913728d60605101639g4fee0de2q189b66b5a85ad7b3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <913728d60605101639g4fee0de2q189b66b5a85ad7b3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <01RDE.A.bTG.fsiZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Charlie Milkey wrote: > ...i agree, because i can still use my ebow on my electric bass, i > kinda want to mod it for 18V as well, but it's not that big of a deal > for me :) I know that Kasper Toeplitz is using an e-bow on his electric bass which he modfied to the correct spacing himself. Seems to work... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 20:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6ED93BEE8; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: DOD stompbox part question... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:16:43 +0000 (UTC) I recently picked up an older DOD FX25 envelope filter. It was filthy but works after some cleaning with the excpetion the foot switch contact is worn out. As it is now it's always on so at least i can use it for stuiod stuff but I'd like to fix the contact. I toook it apart and I assume most of the DOD series work the same way. There is the black plastic stomp piece on the outside and this pushes against a small contact which is on a PCB flush against the center of the black plastic. I've determined the contact is the issue as after cleaning everything I was able to get it to be intermittent if I pressed on it with my hands but even then it was erratic and only worked once every few dozen presses. Does anyone know what the part# for the contact is? Better yet is there a different name for this or a description that might work if I were to call DOD and ask for the part? I put a pic of it up here: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/pix/fx25part.jpg It's a bit blurry but I took the front and back . the part is the black disk on the left side, the pcb back of that small board is on the right. another shot of just the part with the pedal casing is at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/pix/fx25.jpg Any help greatly appreciated. I have quite a few filters and autowahs but this one is very unigue and sounds great IMO. There is the newer FX25B out now (well it has been out for a long time but it's newer that the model I have. Can anyone comment or compare the blue 25b to the sound of the original dark green 25? Thanks for any/all help!! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 21:44:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5413A3BEE0; Sat, 13 May 2006 21:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060513143517.0ca76008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:44:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators In-Reply-To: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:44:47 +0000 (UTC) At 11:28 AM 5/12/2006, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >So... > >Thinking of E-bows. > >Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. > >Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) > >Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect with >a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? Not the same effect. What you get is the electro-magnetic fields of the electric motor in the vibrator interacting with magnetic pickup of the guitar. In other words, you hear the sound of the motor. It doesn't vibrate the string like an ebow. The pitch will be the speed of the motor. Therefore, you will likely find a variable speed vibrator is a good option. I don't know if the size matters. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 22:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D971B3BEEC; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:10:28 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Morphine and two saxes? References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I once played baritone in a soul band that also had a second baritone > sax player. Those Wilson Picket riffs came out very heavy as we always > played in unisone with a third guy on trumpet doubling one or two > octaves up. I know what you mean. Fantasizing about holding down the bari chair in Tower of Power is pretty high up on my guilty pleasures list. I was in a band like that once, and we had separate PAs for the horn section and the vocals. During one gig, the vocal PA died, so we had to sacrifice ours for The Greater Good, and play unamplified. The only way I could be heard was to trim the reed till it had the compliance of armor plate, blow so hard I could feel my aorta leaking, and breathe into a paper bag between songs to keep from passing out. > Bari is a cool instrument but way too heavy to carry > hanging from your neck. I sold it very long ago but it stills comes > back in my dreams, now looking like a four meter long vacuum cleaner > that I blow into to make huge snarling sounds ;-) These days, I've found that an EWI driving Absynth or Sculpture can make huge snarling sounds that are even more annoying than a bari. Even better, the Looperlative just keeps snarling right back at you. :-) Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 13 22:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D333BEFB; Sat, 13 May 2006 22:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IIAcoWLxD1Ph8B6NMN2D+PLYLlQFSqKy3wKaMGeFRDO+aX1Z9eajkBdYA+wWUdMvti7OAtnjIXSArT8RbLawd9NoThdFqrP8Z9c6Ry/1KfDn6M+mYd84vxnrQFJCLyhmK8Xkx3itLxBDlAJ2orldGYNNrpi0JnzXY/Uwgz2/dfU= ; Message-ID: <20060513222829.2045.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060513125926.84938.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:28:32 +0000 (UTC) BOY HOWDY. I get, "how much of that is backing tracks..." all time yet it seem the cult of the DJ is alive and well. Easier to make your music at home and post it on a site like myspace. If I can get a tiny rig like Per's laptop/Mobius rig together I just may start again, but I'm never schlepping a car full of gear out again. Mark --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > ive also become discourage doing this > live, since people tend to misinterpret live > synced-looping for pre-sequenced programmed stuff... > Luis > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 00:12:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20C263BEF9; Sun, 14 May 2006 00:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators In-Reply-To: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-ID: References: <2287.128.193.37.212.1147458494.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <-yH7W.A.-_C.9XnZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:12:46 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 12 May 2006, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect with > a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? As Kim just explained, you'd be getting the motor EM field interacting with the pickup. It'll work, but not sound like an E-Bow. Adrian Belew's done this before, I believe with a vibrator. He used an electric drill on Tori Amos' cover of "I'm Not In Love" on her _Strange Little Girls_ album - check the credits and he's listed as playing "drill guitar" on that track. Now John, if you're not discussing the EM field of the vibrator (or drill, or stick blender, or whatever), and you're instead contemplating applying the physical movement of the vibrator (drill, Dremel, whatever) to the string and not interacting with the EM field of the pickup, then you're describing something closer to the physical behavior of the Gizmotron I linked to earlier, which used rubber wheels pressed down on the string to "bow" the string. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 01:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BF993BEFA; Sun, 14 May 2006 01:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Osc2gwPvqCk1r5TtJ3zROxnwbNTBWfurXD7antYYPNVNlvaIqmy0Yk81SngAx50j; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:19:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Seth Elgart Subject: Digitech Time Machine replacement questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: ee12615d604f70d6d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcf3367ec3ce6c1d7cfcf09cf2d8d84d48350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.128.176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 01:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Dear Loopers, I'm new to the list, but not new to loopers. I had an Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay way back many years ago, but lost it to a flood in my guitarist's basement (I play synthesizers mostly, by the way, but I like to loop with a guitar, a slide and an e-bow). I replaced the EH with a Digitech Time Machine 7.6 (and I have a 1.9 as well). Those are still both working fine and now that I got them back from my guitarist's closet (same guitarist, but now it's 15 or 20 years later) I'm having great fun with them again. However, there are lots of new devices out there that have much longer delays and that are much smaller. I'd love to get a small stomp box that I can throw in a backpack, something you just can't do with the Digitech rack mount delays. There's one problem however. The Digitech had an infinite repeat button, which to me is simply a must-have, but I can't seem to find the right combination of repeats and fades in a pedal. I was looking at the Boss DD-20 in a store the other day, but it didn't look like you could step on a pedal and have the loops repeat indefinitely. I also looked at the Boss RC-20 Loop Station. With the Loop Station, you can have it repeat forever, but you can't then step on the pedal and have the loops fade out like you could on a digital delay. I'm considering the new EH box, but I really like the DD-20's delay time/beat count display, something the EH doesn't have. Basically, the DD-20 looks like it's perfect, except that it can't hold the loop forever. The Line6 might do what I want, but from the reviews it's not 100% clear. It seems that you can choose from infinite repeat or fade out repeat, but that you have to "reboot" to choose which type you have (I'm basing this on the review on the Loopers Delight site). One completely awesome thing about the Line6 is that when you're looping, you have a pre-loop delay as well as the looping, meaning you don't have to have another delay if you want to avoid "dry" looping. Is there a box out there that does all the things I want? (Or, am I wrong about the DD-20 not being having a "hold" setting?) I've been reading reviews and archives for days, but I haven't been able to find a clearcut answer to what I'm looking for. Thanks, Seth http://web.mac.com/selgart (no looping, mostly synth stuff) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 02:04:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2434B3BF05; Sun, 14 May 2006 02:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015d01c676fa$ac643df0$6401a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:04:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 02:04:03 +0000 (UTC) The foot controller unit isn't on the EH site....How much is that? Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "edwin cleverdon" To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: RE: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review > Music123.com has reduced the price to about $410. The EH HOG price has also > dropped. > > > >From: "Costas Andreou" > >Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review > >Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:35:10 +0300 (EEST) > > > >Hello everyone! > >The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper was delivered to me > >recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a small review for anyone > >interested in this new looper. > > > >The 2880 is well designed and well build, with quality knobs, pots and > >faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected and this is a plus, at > >least for me. > > > >This is a user friendly machine - especially those who are familiar with > >any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel at home right away. It > >is great to have faders and pan pots for each track/loop and control these > >parameters in real time. > > > >The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, no hiss, no artifacts, > >no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom before clipping and > >they sound good with various sources. The converter sounds nice - no cheap > >digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and clear and the faders > >have that nice feel you expect when you need to do smooth fade ins/outs, > >small changes or big moves. > > > >Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple mono or stereo loops can > >be recorded of four different tracks and you are free to mix everything > >down to a stereo track to have the other ones available for additional > >work. You can move the faders and pan pots during mixdown and everything > >will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you hear it. You can also > >record onto the mixdown track as many times as you like and keep the > >previous stuff there, too. > > > >Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the octave button and you are > >also free to do bends up and down with the tempo slider. The reverse > >feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can be active at the same > >time. > > > >Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very simple steps to follow. > >If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, there are no problems at > >all. From the time you memorize the foot controller, the 2880 becomes an > >instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated looper machine out > >there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I suggest you spend the > >additional money to get the foot controller too, because it really makes > >live work easier and more fluid. You can't do everything on the fly > >without the controller, except if both of your hands are free. > > > >Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync succesfully to a sequencer or a > >drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, simple and effective. > > > >A metronome with its own level knob is also included. It sounds like the > >clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake plastic snare here. This > >click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to assist the performer, but > >it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The metronome is output > >through the headphones jack, allowing for further dub style processing. > >;-) > > > >The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will appreciate this. You > >can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact flash card is > >displayed as an external hard drive. The files are the standard .wav and > >can be easily moved, for backup or further process. > > > >Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the control and the power > >to do things as fluidly as possible. > > > >Feel free to ask questions. > >:-) > > > >Greetings from Athens > >Costas > > > >http://www.costasandreou.com > >contact@costasandreou.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 08:00:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABF193BF08; Sun, 14 May 2006 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mVXcalbN2/9b/SYoNlC2I2JULSAN7Llqe10rlBSgzcSCbO64XuitWGU3RvssDGCba4kxYWDD3hq8MJYdKhmF+WLKwPU4WufaFaLGALQUYN1E/fcR+V4mioqWGWxerBxXVUBqde8VyoV4gvPqfrdcx8F+5EF3WNzxZeSleLmbsXs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EWI (was: OT: Morphine and two saxes?) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:00:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 08:00:54 +0000 (UTC) On 14 maj 2006, at 00.10, Brian Good wrote: > EWI driving Absynth or Sculpture Yes, Sculpture is one of my favorite synths, the way you can morph the sound while playing. Do you have the new EWI4000s? http://ewi- evi.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 11:36:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 383A53BF0E; Sun, 14 May 2006 11:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <87e958e36fc03e814a6dbcc53189cdb4@virgin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:36:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Great little review, can u use a midi foot controller with the 2880? Does the punch in parameter work like the insert parameter on an EDP? Curious geoff On 13 May 2006, at 15:19, edwin cleverdon wrote: > Music123.com has reduced the price to about $410. The EH HOG price has=20= > also dropped. > > >> From: "Costas Andreou" >> Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Electro Harmonix 2880 Looper review >> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:35:10 +0300 (EEST) >> >> Hello everyone! >> The Electro Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper was delivered to = me >> recently. I am very happy with it, so here is a small review for=20 >> anyone >> interested in this new looper. >> >> The 2880 is well designed and well build, with quality knobs, pots = and >> faders. It is smaller and lighter than I expected and this is a plus,=20= >> at >> least for me. >> >> This is a user friendly machine - especially those who are familiar=20= >> with >> any multitrack recorder or mixing console will feel at home right=20 >> away. It >> is great to have faders and pan pots for each track/loop and control=20= >> these >> parameters in real time. >> >> The audio fidelity is great, no nasty compression, no hiss, no=20 >> artifacts, >> no degradation. The two inputs have lots of headroom before clipping=20= >> and >> they sound good with various sources. The converter sounds nice - no=20= >> cheap >> digital nastyness here. The panning is accurate and clear and the=20 >> faders >> have that nice feel you expect when you need to do smooth fade=20 >> ins/outs, >> small changes or big moves. >> >> Electro Harmonix made a powerful looper. Multiple mono or stereo=20 >> loops can >> be recorded of four different tracks and you are free to mix=20 >> everything >> down to a stereo track to have the other ones available for = additional >> work. You can move the faders and pan pots during mixdown and=20 >> everything >> will be recorded onto the mixdown track just as you hear it. You can=20= >> also >> record onto the mixdown track as many times as you like and keep the >> previous stuff there, too. >> >> Loops can be pitch shifted at any time with the octave button and you=20= >> are >> also free to do bends up and down with the tempo slider. The reverse >> feature is also great. Pitch change and reverse can be active at the=20= >> same >> time. >> >> Overdub and punch in actions are easy, with very simple steps to=20 >> follow. >> If you are experienced with overdub an punch in, there are no=20 >> problems at >> all. =46rom the time you memorize the foot controller, the 2880 = becomes=20 >> an >> instrument of its own - as with any other dedicated looper machine = out >> there. If you are thinking of buying the 2880, I suggest you spend = the >> additional money to get the foot controller too, because it really=20 >> makes >> live work easier and more fluid. You can't do everything on the fly >> without the controller, except if both of your hands are free. >> >> Midi works just fine and the 2880 can sync succesfully to a sequencer=20= >> or a >> drum machine. If you need this feature, it is there, simple and=20 >> effective. >> >> A metronome with its own level knob is also included. It sounds like=20= >> the >> clear sharp sound of a turntable needle. No fake plastic snare here.=20= >> This >> click sound can blend smoothly into the loops to assist the=20 >> performer, but >> it doesn't ruin the feel or the moment at all. The metronome is = output >> through the headphones jack, allowing for further dub style=20 >> processing. >> ;-) >> >> The usb port is very welcome. I think everyone will appreciate this.=20= >> You >> can move audio files to/from a computer. The compact flash card is >> displayed as an external hard drive. The files are the standard .wav=20= >> and >> can be easily moved, for backup or further process. >> >> Generally speaking, the 2880 gives the musician the control and the=20= >> power >> to do things as fluidly as possible. >> >> Feel free to ask questions. >> :-) >> >> Greetings from Athens >> Costas >> >> http://www.costasandreou.com >> contact@costasandreou.com >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from=20 > McAfee=AE Security.=20 > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 14:20:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 132333BEEE; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kjPApY8o19shy7Sa+BiN9Pc9vSuw810SAgJZoCIZTIDwWUPzYIe7s6wKvjk70PpYj3UYSlXY0m8pz9Jybij9XYGtmjMXoLYAefXPjitZgWYclsyE9nO+xR8i+EL/j/bJ2zgzNylMx7OZlPmNAuwgIIbpIFd2kPtd/0p1/AoB9eA= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:20:06 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Freeware Software Mixer? In-Reply-To: <087e01c676a1$64e06e80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060513011847.805C93BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060513091221.01a8cd60@tiscali.co.uk> <087e01c676a1$64e06e80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d6fa1730f144dfcf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) On 5/13/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wow, thanks for all the recommendations. I'll be downloading these soon t= o > try them out. I particularly like the multitrack mixers. I have been usin= g > wavlab for some time now for single wav editing, which I love. I believe you are a windows user, but for those of you on Macs or Linux, the app you want is Ardour. http://ardour.org It is possible that after this summer, a basic windows port will be done. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 14:54:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94C653BEF5; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:54:41 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 14 maj 2006, at 00.10, Brian Good wrote: > >> EWI driving Absynth or Sculpture > > > Yes, Sculpture is one of my favorite synths, the way you can morph the > sound while playing. Do you have the new EWI4000s? http://ewi- evi.com/ Yes. I've played a 3000/3000m for many years, but the 4000s seems significantly better. Do you play a wind synth of some kind? Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 14:56:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1753BEFA; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G2CcjsaMoVIUyaKa35agrgmiKn/Hl3N17coCV5r2SIUu1nrMD6DU7oZIIUMUmifhboZByKHL01ihOVe826IGpq2YyDH6Gu7pZ4171rKmqaCE0L7wJi5WlwMXNKYCWEwRtWeokjcvKa3/kKnpJ6JRxtwwEVZJ6gZEUJm3zYo6ru4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <20060513011847.805C93BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060513091221.01a8cd60@tiscali.co.uk> <087e01c676a1$64e06e80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Freeware Software Mixer? Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:56:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:56:36 +0000 (UTC) > On 5/13/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Wow, thanks for all the recommendations. I'll be downloading these >> soon to >> try them out. I particularly like the multitrack mixers. I have >> been using >> wavlab for some time now for single wav editing, which I love. > On 14 maj 2006, at 16.20, Jesse Chappell wrote: > I believe you are a windows user, but for those of you on Macs or > Linux, the app you want is > Ardour. http://ardour.org If we're peaking Mac now, Apples' AU-Lab is also free. It's on the Tiger DVD, under "Developer/Applications". A Scalable mixer with busses and effect sends. Can host AU plug-ins, or VST if you use an adapter (FXpansion is the best). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 15:00:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8705B3BEFE; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=X8DC/jRk30pawBlRYWHHrxtAgCAwtR/5nxsnSUk2Irt9cj2HmcWzPqh6gI1zZRLx7a9wUfak2tMHpyTp4JcXi6050Sun1BTF1IF0FyXJRvG8W4UuKUgFKE1+VnpW6EnXJXkOXLS6dACm+yqgtlhk7g8TdsL0N1HxtlN4/8sseCU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EWI Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:00:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) >> On 14 maj 2006, at 00.10, Brian Good wrote: >>> EWI driving Absynth or Sculpture Per Boysen wrote: >> Yes, Sculpture is one of my favorite synths, the way you can >> morph the sound while playing. Do you have the new EWI4000s? >> http://ewi- evi.com/ > On 14 maj 2006, at 16.54, Brian Good wrote: > Yes. I've played a 3000/3000m for many years, but the 4000s seems > significantly better. Do you play a wind synth of some kind? > > Brian Not yet. But if I had the money I would get the 4000s right away (will do a.s.a.p). How do you like the built in sounds? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 16:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72153BF01; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7D8E0B75-2212-4CC5-95B5-E5F9EF2C78F4@gmail.com> References: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D8E0B75-2212-4CC5-95B5-E5F9EF2C78F4@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:30:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ken.H" Subject: MIDI sync for tempo-related effects... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: <--Dja.A.7iB.ds1ZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Could you explain the following a bit more...? (it was from your post on 5/11/06 at 6:49 PM) >This does not mean that "effect's is stuttering in a static way", >since I have taken care to program expression pedals to "sweep" the >tempo relation (effect vs main tempo, manipulating the tempo >relation coefficient while busy playing). I'm really curious about the "pedals to sweep the tempo relation" part of this. Also, it seems like different effects units respond to changing external MIDI clock rates in different ways (and sometimes not too gracefully). Any thoughts on that, especially with the FireworX? Thanks! Ken H. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 18:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93C303BEFE; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:02:09 GMT X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: EWI X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--3eaf070c56f68f72155" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----3eaf070c56f68f72155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit undefined ----3eaf070c56f68f72155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a YAmaha WX7 player, but got a chance to check out the EWI4000s at the NAMM show in January. I didn't get to actually blow on it, but I held it and tried out the keys. Very cool roller octave keys! Those are nicer than on any of the Yamahas. I still find it hard to get used to the other non-moving touch keys. People who play EWIs all say that after you get used to them they are faster than regular keys, but I dunno. Maybe I'll get a 4000s at some point, but I would mostly use it to drive my Reaktor sounds and probably wouldn't use the internal synth at all.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

----3eaf070c56f68f72155-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 18:54:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF463BF01; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: E-bows vs. Vibrators Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:54:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060513143517.0ca76008@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) it also should be noted that the motor from a vibrator, or power drill can potentially de-gauss and weaken the magnets of a pickup, probably not as critical with a vibrator as those motors tend to be weaker than high speed drills. For some reason the ebow doesn't harm pickups in the same way. Now if one were to use a vibrator, wear a rubber mask with a zipper mouth, and attach alligator clips to ones nipples, it wouldn't necessarily hurt you pickups, but it might hurt your reputation, or improve it, depending on the company you keep. ;-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators At 11:28 AM 5/12/2006, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >So... > >Thinking of E-bows. > >Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. > >Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) > >Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same effect with >a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? Not the same effect. What you get is the electro-magnetic fields of the electric motor in the vibrator interacting with magnetic pickup of the guitar. In other words, you hear the sound of the motor. It doesn't vibrate the string like an ebow. The pitch will be the speed of the motor. Therefore, you will likely find a variable speed vibrator is a good option. I don't know if the size matters. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 19:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E4FB3BED3; Sun, 14 May 2006 19:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dkmcMU0Z3+6vjvWwzWSe2/ciTuUiNhlWQcy/2/WYuxzPHWDRRkaHaqKauDd+7A5zf+IjVg9po7cfHIfrlKl+i7BysH3lI3J+zJ8pYofCqmr8PPvWlMuNsQwRw2gACSKiAJNS54+6ryxgAk8fjhtSVka1jpeBoh4R3nq3TyFCAak= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7D8E0B75-2212-4CC5-95B5-E5F9EF2C78F4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MIDI sync for tempo-related effects... Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:13:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:13:08 +0000 (UTC) > Hi Per, > > Could you explain the following a bit more...? (it was from your > post on 5/11/06 at 6:49 PM) > >> This does not mean that "effect's is stuttering in a static way", >> since I have taken care to program expression pedals to "sweep" >> the tempo relation (effect vs main tempo, manipulating the tempo >> relation coefficient while busy playing). > On 14 maj 2006, at 18.30, Ken.H wrote: >> > I'm really curious about the "pedals to sweep the tempo relation" > part of this. > > Thanks! > > Ken H. Imagine I'm playing through an FX patch that chains a lot of effects on a row. Now, one of those effects is a filter. The filters cut-off parameter is being manipulated by a LFO, oscillating by a wave shaped curve. If the LFO speed is set to 8th notes it will "stutter in a static way". To be able to "sweep the tempo relation" I can set up a binding to the LFO Speed from my MIDI cc expression pedal. The more I press it at one direction, the faster the filter will go and the more I move my foot at the other direction the slower the filter will oscillate. I especially like to use musical values to "quantize" the relation between tempo and the LFO speed (filter speed change) so you can easily use the pedal to find an interesting counter rhythm. Typically the filter bubbling of this example will sweep from 1/32T down through 1/32-1/32.-1/16T-1/16-1/16.-1/8T-1/8-1/8.-1/4T-1/4-1/4.- etc etc until it may land at a 2 whole notes frequency. In Mobius you can not do this (above) by scripting, but I'm doing it with the FireworX (and other devices). A music sequencer application that sort of specializes on this type of musical real-time tempo based tweaks is the modular MIDI step sequencer system Numerology. Any MIDI fader can be set to work the relation between any two (or more) parameters (Max is also good at that, eventually resulting in note sequences typically heard in music by Autechre etc). The FireworX has a very well designed system for binding controllers to manipulate parameters, in this regard. I use to think about the FireworX as a kind of "hardware effect Numerology" ;-) > Also, it seems like different effects units respond to changing > external MIDI clock rates in different ways (and sometimes not too > gracefully). Any thoughts on that, especially with the FireworX? It depends on which fx patch you are running. I there is reverb or delay in the patch a change of tempo may result in crackling noise from the FireworX. One patch I set up was particularly vulnerable. I had created a send line going back and returning into the effect chain at an earlier point - before a harmonizer and a delay - so the sound was looping and returning at a different pitch for each turn. I could not use this patch with the MIDI clock signal sent out by Ableton Live, when Live itself was following the MIDI Clock signal sent out by Mobius. So Jeff was kind to put a second virtual MIDI output into Mobius and then I could use this FireworX patch - syncing to the same MIDI clock that Live as well was syncing to (Mobius sending out two identical "clone" streams of the same MIDI Clock frequency one into Live and one into the FireworX. Another practical example of what MIDI Clock may be good for). But to round it off, most synced FireworX effect patches don't sound bad when the tempo changes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 20:06:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619153BED9; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44678DCA.5000707@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:06:34 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060510113627.01b3ade8@tiscali.co.uk> <20060510183051.24861.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60605101537o30fcc038mfbadd5f33410bbb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <913728d60605101537o30fcc038mfbadd5f33410bbb0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Charlie Milkey wrote: > ...if its something ambient, it wouldn't be a problem, if it was > something structured, yes I love structured ambient somthings... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 20:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D9C3BED0; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44678FE8.7060002@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:15:36 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI sync survey: is it important to you? References: <20060511154749.79686.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8B258406-E208-450E-86A9-4C241D5BC3C8@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <8B258406-E208-450E-86A9-4C241D5BC3C8@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > Then for my own music - I've got multiple machines that need to be in > sync with each other when I need them to be. I didn't answer in my last post the original questions... I think if there are midi sync capabilities, then there are just more options if several musicians play together (yes would be nice), on the other hand I would prefer that the machines syncs to the musicians, and musicians sync to other musicians. For this Midi sync would be a contradiction. I would want loops which adapt themself based on what they hear, as musicians do... (just dreamin', but I am sure if I had enough time I would patch it together) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 20:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D78823BED9; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44679107.8070407@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:20:23 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi synch survey on Surveymonkey.com! References: <20060510210241.66024.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060510210241.66024.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:20:20 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=617332130237 > > Have at it! Wow, thats fast. One question could be added, the weight of the answers will depend on that: Q: Do you use a hardware looper, a software looper or both. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 14 22:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0CD3BED8; Sun, 14 May 2006 22:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: E-bows vs Vibrators Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060513143517.0ca76008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7969ea45b9225d869c6a780e301f420c2d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:34:35 +0000 (UTC) I can also tell you that the E-bow didn't do much for my wife. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: E-bows vs Vibrators > > > At 11:28 AM 5/12/2006, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > >So... > > > >Thinking of E-bows. > > > >Thinking of Reeves Gabrels. > > > >Thinking of Rick Walker. (Hi Rick! Great set at BEMF!) > > > >Ebows are expensive. Vibrators are cheap. Can you get the same > effect with > >a...ah...NECK massager that you can with an E-bow? > > Not the same effect. What you get is the electro-magnetic fields of the > electric motor in the vibrator interacting with magnetic pickup of the > guitar. In other words, you hear the sound of the motor. It > doesn't vibrate > the string like an ebow. The pitch will be the speed of the motor. > Therefore, you will likely find a variable speed vibrator is a > good option. > > I don't know if the size matters. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 01:07:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBDA03BECD; Mon, 15 May 2006 01:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:07:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 563, in=310311, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4k50gD.A.2mG.cR9ZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 01:07:40 +0000 (UTC) While I'm lucking out with such great suggestions from the group, can anyone direct me to a free and decent tube preamp VST plugin? I run my electric guitar directly into my laptop and want something to give it a bit of a warm tube preamp feel. I don't need anything complicated that eats up a lot of processing, emulates tons of amps, distortions, speakers, etc. I'm basically searching for something that will give me a nice clean jazz amp feel....a bit spongy, not boxy, sterile, or distorted, just warm and clean. Too bad ProCo doesn't make a Ratt vst. Or better yet, can someone write me a Mesa Boogie Triaxis VST plugin? :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 02:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778F93BEC5; Mon, 15 May 2006 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AvjDyYg0InYpey9T4oGVJKtoR/myBmefIdL3rkKFtv/TGZhuRjSqtgqTlV3jNNGX; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21316279.1147659751415.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4857fc76f5aa99c3611b59b629d1d4d0a83d063210bc784f5e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) this quest makes me smile good luck Krispen s -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: May 14, 2006 9:07 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: tube preamp VST plugin? > >While I'm lucking out with such great suggestions from the group, can anyone >direct me to a free and decent tube preamp VST plugin? I run my electric >guitar directly into my laptop and want something to give it a bit of a warm >tube preamp feel. I don't need anything complicated that eats up a lot of >processing, emulates tons of amps, distortions, speakers, etc. I'm basically >searching for something that will give me a nice clean jazz amp feel....a >bit spongy, not boxy, sterile, or distorted, just warm and clean. > >Too bad ProCo doesn't make a Ratt vst. Or better yet, can someone write me a >Mesa Boogie Triaxis VST plugin? :) > >Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 02:27:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFCDB3BECF; Mon, 15 May 2006 02:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8713f6e4a23ce633a8a6116d8a32c0d3@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 19:27:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <3mAWX.A.BsB.4b-ZEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 02:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Pay the dough for vintage warmer, I think it is worth it. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 14, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > While I'm lucking out with such great suggestions from the group, can=20= > anyone direct me to a free and decent tube preamp VST plugin? I run my=20= > electric guitar directly into my laptop and want something to give it=20= > a bit of a warm tube preamp feel. I don't need anything complicated=20 > that eats up a lot of processing, emulates tons of amps, distortions,=20= > speakers, etc. I'm basically searching for something that will give me=20= > a nice clean jazz amp feel....a bit spongy, not boxy, sterile, or=20 > distorted, just warm and clean. > > Too bad ProCo doesn't make a Ratt vst. Or better yet, can someone=20 > write me a Mesa Boogie Triaxis VST plugin? :) > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 04:39:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90FC13BEC5; Mon, 15 May 2006 04:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a2301c677d9$91cba9d0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8713f6e4a23ce633a8a6116d8a32c0d3@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:39:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 563, in=310378, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0D0T5.A.ieG.MYAaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 04:39:40 +0000 (UTC) For crying out loud...it's made by the same folks who make my PSP 84 and PSP 42, both of which kick ass. It must be good. It's $149. http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/vintage.html Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Pay the dough for vintage warmer, I think it is worth it. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On May 14, 2006, at 6:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > While I'm lucking out with such great suggestions from the group, can > anyone direct me to a free and decent tube preamp VST plugin? I run my > electric guitar directly into my laptop and want something to give it a > bit of a warm tube preamp feel. I don't need anything complicated that > eats up a lot of processing, emulates tons of amps, distortions, speakers, > etc. I'm basically searching for something that will give me a nice clean > jazz amp feel....a bit spongy, not boxy, sterile, or distorted, just warm > and clean. > > Too bad ProCo doesn't make a Ratt vst. Or better yet, can someone write me > a Mesa Boogie Triaxis VST plugin? :) > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 04:55:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A82C3BEB8; Mon, 15 May 2006 04:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2 with NOiNO Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 00:55:48 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c677db$d62f3900$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 04:55:49 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS =20 @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday May 16th . RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 2=20 A special presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration=20 with New Adventures in Sound Art featuring NOiNO=20 (Jim Bailey, Matthew Poulakakis & Jamie Todd) For part 2 of RADiO iN AMBiENCE, we dial up the third ever=20 performance of NOiNO as Jim Bailey (Odradek and Six Heads),=20 Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats, salvagesound and=20 Solipsystem) and Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, SADU, Sylken=20 and URM) plug in to appropriate the airwaves. Tune in as=20 NOiNO hunts and gathers radio frequencies plucked from the=20 atmosphere to be coalesced with archival broadcast samples=20 and melded into a evolving repurposed sound construct=20 as it passes through the NOiNO transistors.=20 http://www.pingthings.com/AFmolasses.htm http://www.pingthings.com/SALVAGESOUND.htm http://www.pingthings.com/DSpassage.htm http://www.pingthings.com/URM1.htm http://www.pingthings.com/URM2.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Everlasting Moment by=20 The Ministry of Inside Things As a prelude to their return to the PiNG on June 6th, we'll be spinning the second disc from their 2003 release. http://www.synkronosmusic.com/moit.html Between Sets CD . The Secret Doctrine by=20 Building Castles Out of Matchsticks Visit http://www.pingthings.com/BUILDINGsecret.htm=20 to find out more about this week's between set CD and tune in to=20 ping things radio every Sun & Wed from 9pm to 12 midnight EST=20 at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment to hear music from this and other discs in the ping things catalogue. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG Tuesday May 23rd . DAC Crowell (Rankin, IL) Join us next week as we welcome electro acoustic artist=20 DAC Crowell who will be bringing up his modular synth gear=20 to immerse and envelope the PiNG in slowly evolving sounds=20 and drones. It's rather fitting that DAC joins us as we are celebrating=20 the Deep Wireless Festival of Radio Art as DAC has a fondness=20 for utilizing shortwave radio signals as musical instruments. I'm sure=20 DAC will get in the spirit of the event and wire up some radio to=20 the modular for some synthetic shortwave too. Tune in and=20 don't miss this rare Canadian performance by DAC. You can read more on DAC's Fave Musical Instrument here: http://www.creativesynth.com/BESTOF/RadioMusic/BO_RM1.html Hear some DAC here: http://www.magnatune.com/artists/dac_crowell and here: http://www.myspace.com/daccrowell=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday May 17th . Esprit Orchestra presents New Wave Composers Festival 8:00 pm & 9:00 pm - Two Concert Sets - curated and conducted=20 by Brian Current & Scott Good - compositions and=20 improvisations by various festival composers and performers.=20 10:30 pm - Late-Night Band Sets with Kanaka blending elements=20 of jazz, free improvisation, pop and world music. DeLeon White Gallery, 1096 Queen St West . Free =20 * Wednesday May 17th . Matt Welch with Alex Lukashevsky,=20 Nick Fraser, and Josh Thorpe. New York bagpiper and Tzadik recording artist Matt Welch=20 comes to town to play at a special Window Series concert at the=20 Tranzac. One solo set, including traditional piobaireachd music=20 and work by Lucier and Braxton; and one group set with=20 Josh Thorpe on guitar, Alex Lukashevsky on bass, and=20 Nick Fraser on drums. 10pm . Tranzac main hall, 291 Brunswick St. . $8 =20 * Thursday May 18th . Esprit Orchestra presents New Wave Composers Festival Festival Finale, conducted by Alex Pauk, features specially=20 commissioned works by two young Canadian composers: Erik=20 Ross=92s Concerto for Marimba and Orchestra and Scott Good=92s=20 Babbitt (for saxophone(s) and orchestra), as well as works by=20 two Quebec composers: Andr=E9 Ristic=92s Sublimations and=20 Jos=E9 Evangelista=92s Violinissimo. 8:00 pm . Jane Mallett Theatre 27 Front St East=20 single - $32, seniors - $16, students - $10 * Thursday, May 18th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians=20 who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players=20 of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East =20 =20 * Friday, May 19th . The Ryan Driver Quartet Ryan Driver: piano/human voice Martin Arnold: guitar (vox invader) Rob Clutton: bass, Jake Oelrichs: drums 10:00 pm . TRANZAC Pay what you wish * Friday, May 19th . Eric Stach presents THE SCREAM =20 a festival of New Music, Noise/Sound IMPROVISATION a 10 week Friday Night Series May 5th to July 7th Musicians are welcome to drop by and play Place: 105 Clarence Street, London, Ontario, between Hill and South, west of Wellington.=20 9:30pm -1:00 am Every FRIDAY NIGHT no cover byob * Friday, May 19th . Synchro presents ROBERT STRAUSS w resident DJs DENISE BENSON & ANDREW ALLSGOOD Andy Poolhall, 489 College St., Toronto=20 no cover before midnight - $5 after - 19+ =20 * Sunday May 21st . Power Up by Kathy Kennedy As part of the Deep Wireless Festival Kathy Kennedy will apply=20 her skills in sonic choreography and public guerilla sound art=20 to the Toronto urban soundscape with transmission arts=20 performances in parks, street corners, and other sites=20 of dense concentration of Torontonians.=20 1 PM . Drake Hotel and moving out to surrounding environs . free=20 =20 * Sunday, May 21st . AIMT and the Now Lounge=20 present the Now Series 4pm - ProjectFore: Bass Guitar- Dave Iwanenko Guitar - Greg Markham, Vocals - Bryan Paccagnella Drums - Max Trefler =20 5pm - Paul Dutton/ Thomas Charmetant: The duo of Canadian=20 soundsinger Paul Dutton and French cellist Thomas Charmetant have played festivals in Paris and Flanders. =20 6pm - Chris Cawthray(drums)/ Rob Pr ice (guitar): New York guitarist Rob Price, formerly of Dim Sum Clip Job,=20 has recently recorded with Ellery Eskelin, Trevor Dunn=20 and Joey Baron. The NOW Lounge . 189 Church St. . cover is $6.00 * Monday, May 22nd . SUNN O))))=20 8 PM . The Music Gallery at St. George the Martyr Church,=20 197 John St., Toronto . $18 advance=20 =20 * May 1st - 31st . New Adventures In Sound Art Presents:=20 Deep Wireless Festival. a month-long celebration of radio and=20 transmission art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can=20 experience performances, sound installations, new commissions,=20 special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Conference Pass $150/130 (+$20 discount - early bird registration) Early bird registration deadline is April 14th, day rates available. May 1st - 31st . The Drake Hotel (1150 Queen St W) & Ryerson=20 University Student Campus Centre (55 Gould St) more info at http://www.deepwireless.ca =20 * May 29th - June 4th . The Toronto Fanfare Project Presented by Soundstreams Canada as part of the SoundaXis=20 Festival of music & architecture, The Toronto Fanfare Project=20 presents an eclectic series of formal and informal brass ensemble=20 concerts over five days in some of the great architectural and=20 acoustical masterpieces in the core of Toronto. More info here: http://www.soundstreams.ca =20 * June 1st - 11th . soundaXis Architecture . Music . Acoustics New Music Arts Projects presents soundaXis, a city-wide festival=20 celebrating architecture, music and acoustics that will transform=20 Toronto into a playground of sound and space exploration. For=20 two weeks, the city will be alive with concerts, interdisciplinary=20 installations, symposia, screenings and site-specific musical events. More info here: http://www.soundaxis.ca =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 05:19:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3B9D3BEC5; Mon, 15 May 2006 05:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 05:19:04 +0000 (UTC) I'd suggest the vox tonelab, the desk top model because its the least expensive, can fit on a rack tray, is about the size of a lap top, and can run with or without a foot pedal. Its got an honest to god tube in it and is the best sounding and feeling of the current modeling crop in my humble opinion, good variety of fender black face and tweed models, excellent vox and early Marshall models as well. Will it give me the visceral thrill that my vibrloux will, never ever. I saw a large part of the Crossroads music fest with John McLaughlin with Trilok and Dennis Chambers. His lap top tone sucked pretty bad, though the music was great. also, I wouldn't waist hard drive space on an amp plug in, save it for record memory. if you are on a budget, I have had good luck with a sans amp classic lately, when all I'm interested in is a clean fenderish jazz tone and all I'm bringing in the way of outboard gear is my Dtar preamp, a looper and a reverb. The Dtar is really designed for acoustic instruments, and I find the sans amp helps to warm up the signal and boost the passive pickups. The bass setting on the sans amp works best for this purpose. i picked one up used for under $100. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tube preamp VST plugin? While I'm lucking out with such great suggestions from the group, can anyone direct me to a free and decent tube preamp VST plugin? I run my electric guitar directly into my laptop and want something to give it a bit of a warm tube preamp feel. I don't need anything complicated that eats up a lot of processing, emulates tons of amps, distortions, speakers, etc. I'm basically searching for something that will give me a nice clean jazz amp feel....a bit spongy, not boxy, sterile, or distorted, just warm and clean. Too bad ProCo doesn't make a Ratt vst. Or better yet, can someone write me a Mesa Boogie Triaxis VST plugin? :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 05:32:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7433BEC7; Mon, 15 May 2006 05:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4468125C.9060906@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:32:12 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PC Notebooks and Cleaning up the startup menu References: <0B01A7DD-7B1F-4EA0-9106-BE118F47715E@gmail.com> <002101c67443$2857a060$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780605101102v6d673f17kc378679d6edd7a0e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780605101102v6d673f17kc378679d6edd7a0e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 05:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Todd Pafford wrote: > Actually, Jeff, same thing goes for OSX. Check out > for > a short list of the most common background processes. (By no means is > this a complete list.) And since OS X 10.4. these processes are only started if you called them the first time. Not only faster startup, also more efficient for Live. Just reboot before the concert... I love it, not to be forced to know technical details about my OS. (The main lack of Linux which I do love of various other reasons) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 06:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40C03BEC7; Mon, 15 May 2006 06:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446820C8.2040708@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:33:44 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool cello multitracking video References: <913728d60605101646g7462a43ar5a8ded142ced7a76@mail.gmail.com> <00c901c6763d$45b9e090$8f28050a@raem50> In-Reply-To: <00c901c6763d$45b9e090$8f28050a@raem50> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Reid Ertsgaard wrote: > Cool, yes. Beautiful, yes. Looping? No. Looping? definitely yes. Just no realtime looping. As long there is a ||: x x x :|| and instead of playing it again some technology is used, its a loop. I love some of Bobby McFerrins performances when he mimiks a delay. (He is also using them for sure) Another site I came across was http://www.humanbeatbox.com/. It seems they require a registration since this weekend, but its worth it. Look at the competition. A lot of these guys use looping, but not all. And skiller is the king, he is looping without gear and the most virtuos voice acrobat I've ever heard... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 06:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0763BEC5; Mon, 15 May 2006 06:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:38:33 +0800 From: "fhmmfgth jhbezb" To: , , , Subject: Forward-Thinking Investors [SUBSCRIPTION ALERT NEW PICK MONDAY it is] fertilizing dependability drug brunch Content-return: allowed X-Mailer: lowboyMail 8.817 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IP: 219.142.252.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. 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OVer all this comapany has great potential, Get in now don't regret later canning dogmas armchairs Atwood imposing dogmas PVC encase marines Williamson closers canons contestant confessions Harley microsecond's bounty's Formica comparator bewhiskered blackbody Dadaism cachalot dipped experts dipped launderer club's custard blackbody expertly closers inconvertible determines crowing homicide becloud crowing From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 07:00:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31FCF3BECC; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Oe/7G1HaFRhs4lXYH6x+N4Q4B2LCIRNt6lzPBc2DFzLoLpOBdIYEg2EhhMDSh/v8+lrWL57P1Ger6TTOugPKd2ozbWDIIyIWhgYv5O10eTi8GXQnjzl8iU/goKaG7Qw3+lBT9zNyrrnXyA5yjjooKDExrtA8RQD3QOifmsGj5nc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <8713f6e4a23ce633a8a6116d8a32c0d3@pfmentum.com> References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8713f6e4a23ce633a8a6116d8a32c0d3@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:00:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:00:49 +0000 (UTC) On 15 maj 2006, at 04.27, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Pay the dough for vintage warmer, I think it is worth it. Yes. It's very good. But not a good idea to play live through, because it adds up a lot to the through-put latency. But for adjusting something already recorded it's excellent! For playing through a computer and get a good guitar sound I think Guitar Combos by Native Instruments is very good. My own taste goes with the Vox emulation and I should only bother to buy that one, as separate, If I needed an in-laptop guitar amp emulator. The Guitar Amp Pro that is part of Logic is as good and so is of course the Guitar Rig from NI - although it has about 95 percent too much of most anything so your instrument may easily get lost inside the thing... if it doesn't make your computer crash first (just a personal opinion to round it off, don't take for facts ;-) I think there is a free demo of Guitar Combos to check it out before you buy. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 07:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F813BECD; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8713f6e4a23ce633a8a6116d8a32c0d3@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <38efa44cac768443afcf2f008742e4a2@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 00:18:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:18:04 +0000 (UTC) With my machine the latency of the VW is not bothersome. I A/B'd it=20 after the last time you mentioned this Per, and it sure does seem fine,=20= didn't even notice it. No scientific measurements, just playing with it=20= on, then off, back and forth in the studio. But then again, I'm playing=20= a trumpet...not guitar. Try out the demo, kris, with your fast machine and your interface it=20 might be fine.... Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 15, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 maj 2006, at 04.27, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> Pay the dough for vintage warmer, I think it is worth it. > > > Yes. It's very good. But not a good idea to play live through, because=20= > it adds up a lot to the through-put latency. But for adjusting=20 > something already recorded it's excellent! > > For playing through a computer and get a good guitar sound I think=20 > Guitar Combos by Native Instruments is very good. My own taste goes=20 > with the Vox emulation and I should only bother to buy that one, as=20 > separate, If I needed an in-laptop guitar amp emulator. The Guitar Amp=20= > Pro that is part of Logic is as good and so is of course the Guitar=20 > Rig from NI - although it has about 95 percent too much of most=20 > anything so your instrument may easily get lost inside the thing... if=20= > it doesn't make your computer crash first (just a personal opinion to=20= > round it off, don't take for facts ;-) > > I think there is a free demo of Guitar Combos to check it out before=20= > you buy. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 08:17:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54133BECC; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FABjVZ0SBS4c8LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:17:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? In-Reply-To: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:17:11 +0000 (UTC) >I'd suggest the vox tonelab, the desk top model because its the least >expensive, can fit on a rack tray, is about the size of a lap top, and can >run with or without a foot pedal. Its got an honest to god tube in it and is >the best sounding and feeling of the current modeling crop in my humble >opinion, good variety of fender black face and tweed models, excellent vox >and early Marshall models as well. hi Kris, Surely you need some form of decent pre-amp for your guitar? In which case Bill's suggestion would seem ideal. Analog processing is perfect for diistortion, while in the digital domain it's just about impossible to eliminate digital artifacts. For fun though, I thought these boss simulators were pretty good:- http://www.kvraudio.com/get/465.html andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 08:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C703C3BEB9; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060515081947978.EEE9170000A2@mwinf1712.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <446839A7.4050603@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:19:51 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Festival in Barcelona right now References: <004c01c675b4$0b7248c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <071b01c675e3$51f8be80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <071b01c675e3$51f8be80$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Has anyone else done this at their festival, or seen it done at a > festival? The internet streaming part is easy for me...it's the video. > I can currently use something like AIM instant messenger to stream video > from a webcam...that works alright, so that might be my last resort. > > I definitely plan on doing this, maybe even before the next festival, at > a mini festival of some sort this summer. I have seen it at the computer music conference, they streamed a performance with an interactive table between Barcelona and some place in Austria. Don't know about the technology though. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 08:20:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 313EF3BED5; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060515082013561.0DAC77000093@mwinf1712.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <446839C1.6000106@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:20:17 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Random band name generator References: <20060512203458.49872.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060512203458.49872.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Tim Nelson wrote: > but then Motorhead popped up. You need to put some umlauts in to be unique again... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 08:20:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5DE3BEDC; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060515082027671.A3D3A7000096@mwinf1712.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <446839CF.2080308@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:20:31 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: request for advice References: <005601c675f9$c2431300$0302a8c0@Lightning> <00c801c6763d$4582f210$8f28050a@raem50> In-Reply-To: <00c801c6763d$4582f210$8f28050a@raem50> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Reid Ertsgaard wrote: > What do people use/recommend and why? Pretty much like the firebox is the ESI Quatafire 610. Advantage: it comes with 2 Midiports, and 8 outputs. Disadvantage: conncetions are non-symetric exept for the Mic inputs. Worked fine and reliably for me. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 14:09:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3513A3BEC2; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NCJaeVYp3TIrPRb8C3mD9mN04IPOgGWAZ9CqeSccoWh0XA6eQBZGpsqm1WlMkQOcFLkF3iKadBsk6sBJG45lCilQwJaQg5J5m1K8cSHod8eV2m5BVhMcG9balLT7aw6lLFznjDPPpb81k1AdeiuiL4hUSWALpNHech0NSF6BTn0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605150709q4bb4eb79qb512b5d32b6ece34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:09:52 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? In-Reply-To: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:09:54 +0000 (UTC) There are a lot of VST amp simulators out there. I'm very happy with Green Machine (but it's not free) http://www.greenmachine.pwuq.net/html/greenmachineamp.html and the free guitar suite has a great Marshall sim: http://www.simulanalog.org/guitarsuite.htm Here's an interesting thread with some audio samples of different VST guitar amp sims: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D94147&highlight=3Dguitar+am= p+sims --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 14:28:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E8353BEB0; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cd01c6782b$d54d5620$6401a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: Subject: Fw: RC50 delayed Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:28:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3mUGRD.A.woH.SAJaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:28:34 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Williams" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: RC50 delayed Sean - Thanks again for your order and patience sorry for the continued delay on the Roland RC50. It is now expected around the 16th of June. We'll be in touch to keep you updated. Best regards, Robert Robert Williams Sales Engineer Sweetwater Sound 800 222 4700 x1371 robert_williams@sweetwater.com I'm starting to get really pissed....Thank GOD I just picked up a DL4 to play with... Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 14:31:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 534053BED5; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d601c6782c$4f08d1b0$6401a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: Subject: Looping with Backing Tracks??? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 06:31:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C677E9.3B4C4FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:31:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C677E9.3B4C4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's my Dilema...I'm getting pretty stale playing solo acoustic and I = have my feelers out for bandmembers. I'm starting to do the looping = thing I like the idea of the spontineity of it and the fact that the = song will take on a unique life every time I play it...I just wish there = was a way to integrate the looping in with some backing drums and bass = as well but I can' t think of how to make it work with the looping other = then cutting each part of and making loops out of them for every song, = then triggering those specific parts...like section A, B, Chorus, = Bridge, etc etc...Lay it out in Ableton Live with each section of the = song in your set having their own unique loops. Then you'd have to hit a = MIDI Pedal telling Ableton to loop the section you're on While The MIDI = Also arms your EDP or My RC-50 Looper and starts it recording....Or you = tell LIVE you want a section to loop at the beginning of it so as to = give you time to get ready to trigger your looper manually....Or, just = do it all within Abelton Live like KID Beyond and lots of folks are = doing it......It's a lot to ponder for certain but I would love to do = this for certain shows...If anyone is doing anything similar, I'd love = to know your method. I think I need some advice on how to go about = setting this up...Thanks. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C677E9.3B4C4FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C677E9.3B4C4FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 15:25:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3413BED0; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=olaGE7n6KkjRowoaWYmTTPUCijWOuWgPS70vlv7dc4LVEzJdhDQris8g51q2l2QVqiaSOdy+hN4Gnvh6ezh263lYbMhXee5cAadkYH9VawxEnpSvRLKcAK4U23HMGVgjfsbZUKZKd1Q+lcdOj8nLPgKI+Gzvo6TXXiNbjw86TF8= Message-ID: <64b81a780605150825s76978c31l516af9f146649931@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:25:12 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66468_10530694.1147706712772" References: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:25:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_66468_10530694.1147706712772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I'd agree with the tube preamp opinion. A thirty second search through musicians friend turned up the following. All of them run the signal through warm glowing tubes and are less than $200. The Behringers are as low as $40-$50 and recieve good reviews both at MF and Harmony Central. Hope this helps, Todd < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 80632 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 80643 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 82482 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 82491 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D4= 84020 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 80610 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 84132 > < http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Live/Sound/Signal/Processors?sku=3D1= 84125 > On 5/15/06, a k butler wrote: > > > >I'd suggest the vox tonelab, the desk top model because its the least > >expensive, can fit on a rack tray, is about the size of a lap top, and > can > >run with or without a foot pedal. Its got an honest to god tube in it an= d > is > >the best sounding and feeling of the current modeling crop in my humble > >opinion, good variety of fender black face and tweed models, excellent > vox > >and early Marshall models as well. > > hi Kris, > Surely you need some form of decent pre-amp for your guitar? > In which case Bill's suggestion would seem ideal. > Analog processing is perfect for diistortion, while in the digital domain > it's > just about impossible to eliminate digital artifacts. > > For fun though, I thought these boss simulators were pretty good:- > > http://www.kvraudio.com/get/465.html > > andy butler > > ------=_Part_66468_10530694.1147706712772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I'd agree with the tube preamp opinion.  A thirty second search through musicians friend turned up the following.  All of them run the signal through warm glowing tubes and are less than $200.  The Behringers are as low as $40-$50 and recieve good reviews both at MF and Harmony Central.

Hope this helps,
Todd

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On 5/15/06, a k butler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>I'd suggest the vox tonelab, the desk top model because its the lea= st
>expensive, can fit on a rack tray, is about the size of a lap top= , and can
>run with or without a foot pedal. Its got an honest to god= tube in it and is
>the best sounding and feeling of the current modeling crop in my hu= mble
>opinion, good variety of fender black face and tweed models, ex= cellent vox
>and early Marshall models as well.

hi Kris,
Surely you need some form of decent pre-amp for your guitar?
In which ca= se Bill's suggestion would seem ideal.
Analog processing is perfect for = diistortion, while in the digital domain it's
just about impossible to e= liminate digital artifacts.

For fun though, I thought these boss simulators were pretty good:-<= br>
http://www.kvraudio= .com/get/465.html

andy butler


------=_Part_66468_10530694.1147706712772-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 15:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 599EE3BEC7; Mon, 15 May 2006 15:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MuDWkpucmL+8YWW8o9iyfszUJWS8TtrZBW0reg+uSLg9uPBRFzst240ia6DSynCvEjx99SPUrjv6KUO+w9ULwYdNQVtxzdhdt8ss4RKd8Xqh4x6wNYhEIoCgPqXSCnsk/On820xRmPV5CCvd/VE9XEdCcyedB9XIxcqLeLo2Kxo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605150846k434b166dtbd816f362752aeef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:46:20 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? In-Reply-To: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:46:22 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if Camelphat might add the right amount of warmth: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/537.html Haven't tried these, but its labeled as a VST preamp: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1720.html --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 16:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3A063BECF; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:36:31 GMT X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <00d601c6782c$4f08d1b0$6401a8c0@DELL> References: <00d601c6782c$4f08d1b0$6401a8c0@DELL> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--69a5e63c58fd770d56f6" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:36:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----69a5e63c58fd770d56f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sean. I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to do this kind of stuff in Ableton so I can enhance my solo jazz act. I've got a certain amount of it working by using a session of Reaktor running inside Ableton to automate Ableton's functions in response to a single pedal. There is a Reaktor sequencer where you set the order of steps you want, something like: 1. Record into Track 3 Slot 1. 2. Play back Track 3 Slot 1 while recording into Track 4 Slot 1. 3. Play back Track 4 slot 1 while Track 3 Slot 1 continues playing. etc. The Reaktor sequencer sends MIDI commands out of Ableton into a MIDI Yoke and back into Ableton's remote control channel. The slots in Ableton have been set up with controller messages so that they can be activated by external MIDI. Anyway, that's how I did the "Funk Loops" example on this page: http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html One pedal was used to advance to the next step. You hit the pedal a little ahead and as usual Ableton starts recording right on beat 1 of the next bar. The same method could be used to play back pre-stored loops in Ableton, or whatever you want to do. I plan to incorporate Hammond organ sounds and my Reaktor big band synth... http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html ...into this using this method, but I haven't gotten all the details worked out. For a lot of songs I will probably have a pre-recorded ending and/or intro. But you need Reaktor (or some other program that is highly configurable and sends MIDI) to do this. Hope this helps. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ----69a5e63c58fd770d56f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Sean.
I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to do this kind of stuff in Ableton so I can enhance my solo jazz act. I've got a certain amount of it working by using a session of Reaktor running inside Ableton to automate Ableton's functions in response to a single pedal. There is a Reaktor sequencer where you set the order of steps you want, something like:
 
1. Record into Track 3 Slot 1.
2. Play back Track 3 Slot 1 while recording into Track 4 Slot 1.
3. Play back Track 4 slot 1 while Track 3 Slot 1 continues playing.
 
etc.
 
The Reaktor sequencer sends MIDI commands out of Ableton into a MIDI Yoke and back into Ableton's remote control channel. The slots in Ableton have been set up with controller messages so that they can be activated by external MIDI.
 
Anyway, that's how I did the "Funk Loops" example on this page:
 
 
One pedal was used to advance to the next step. You hit the pedal a little ahead and as usual Ableton starts recording right on beat 1 of the next bar.
 
The same method could be used to play back pre-stored loops in Ableton, or whatever you want to do. I plan to incorporate Hammond organ sounds and my Reaktor big band synth...
 
 
...into this using this method, but I haven't gotten all the details worked out. For a lot of songs I will probably have a pre-recorded ending and/or intro. But you need Reaktor (or some other program that is highly configurable and sends MIDI) to do this. Hope this helps.
 
Mark Smart

 
----69a5e63c58fd770d56f6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 16:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDFEB3BED6; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <64b81a780605150825s76978c31l516af9f146649931@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780605150825s76978c31l516af9f146649931@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:39:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) At 11:25 AM -0400 5/15/06, Todd Pafford wrote: >Yeah, I'd agree with the tube preamp opinion. A thirty second >search through musicians friend turned up the following. All of >them run the signal through warm glowing tubes and are less than >$200. The Behringers are as low as $40-$50 and recieve good reviews >both at MF and Harmony Central. I just bought a Valvulator. Haven't used it onstage yet, but it sounds pretty good at home. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 17:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8466F3BED2; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0aa701c67846$26e84d40$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780605150825s76978c31l516af9f146649931@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:36:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 564, in=310880, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_o2p0.A.Lu.2wLaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I'll try all the recommends you all sent me, except for the hardware...no hardware. I'm done with it. It's me, my guitar, and my laptop. My guitar already sounds pretty damn good through my laptop (ask Jeff, as he played with me here in Boise). It is a Paul Reed Smith hollow body and the tone is specacular just by itself direct through a PA, as is expected for a decent jazz guitar. A solid body would be a different story, and likely sound horrendous. I just want a bit more warmth and tube like tone, but if I don't get it, it's not a show stopper. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 17:45:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25DE13BED3; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ae201c67847$6a64f450$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:45:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 564, in=310896, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9SyDaB.A.xJB.V5LaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:45:58 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" > hi Kris, > Surely you need some form of decent pre-amp for your guitar? Oddly enough no. I've been going without one for some time when playing through my notebook. It sound surprisingly good, as I indicated in my other resonse...but then again, the guitar is completely hollow and sound wondeful by itself running direct into a PA or a solid state clean jazz amp (like a Roland JC120, etc). With any other guitar, like my solid PRS, I'd be using a pre-amp. I think I have enough toys to try out now for this minor problem. I'll let everyone know what wins for getting me a good jazz guitar tone!!! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 18:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB8443BECC; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Ways to get more power in laptop setups Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:15:48 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c6784b$97ebef60$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ4S5dZQEc9rSkZRV2mhK+ofTyOLQ== Resent-Message-ID: <2wk7.A.yYD.ZVMaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:15:53 +0000 (UTC) As I have gone laptop recently, and I'm somewhat notorious for using huge amounts of different instruments and effects, the computer performance is an issue for me. I have thought about TC Electronic's powercore firewire, which would allow me to take at least the "normal" effects (like EQs, compressors, filters, reverb etc.) off the main CPU. But then again, the price of this thing is about the same as a 3+ GHz Turion or 1.7GHz Centrino DualCore, together with 1GB of RAM and 17'' screen and whatnot... So the question is: if I had that kind of money, would it be invested better into a powercore firewire or into another computer (not necessarily laptop), or into a completely different solution. Keep replies offlist, please; I'll post a summary to the list if wanted. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 18:21:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 397CA3BEE1; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sBslmECIP/Xes8kmAdj2tKMDv3qo1evwwOq2T11Pct3Oij5b5p6RlpbGimIOT3l+U0Asvg2ThWQ+T+l+W9NDm0v6tYLPyxY0IbpObFcKORqdCvBD0Ak/xlmk3LMtZafyT0VT8j/qS3tP880GjyKbMKkLoWOTrSj8Mm5GBtH6UR0= ; Message-ID: <20060515182115.88221.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Ways to get more power in laptop setups To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c6784b$97ebef60$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) WANTED. Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > As I have gone laptop recently, and I'm somewhat > notorious for using huge > amounts of different instruments and effects, the > computer performance is an > issue for me. > > I have thought about TC Electronic's powercore > firewire, which would allow > me to take at least the "normal" effects (like EQs, > compressors, filters, > reverb etc.) off the main CPU. But then again, the > price of this thing is > about the same as a 3+ GHz Turion or 1.7GHz Centrino > DualCore, together with > 1GB of RAM and 17'' screen and whatnot... > > So the question is: if I had that kind of money, > would it be invested better > into a powercore firewire or into another computer > (not necessarily laptop), > or into a completely different solution. > > Keep replies offlist, please; I'll post a summary to > the list if wanted. > > Rainer > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 18:28:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBB63BEE6; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fq+di918LgGbZM0nAYMJjHfj2/AMMzDY+r3kq4pw0br2m6jQzmBv5ynVA1MI/fiBjIDWz8Gj2njG4lc10X+Sj7Kgx4uAROCkvVDwE9if53DSuHAjpW9r7VU3E0sD6/Iqjv65zBD9W/jd1a86T68zE8kK13CXGoy3zt6EBh0SUB4= ; Message-ID: <20060515182806.78179.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0aa701c67846$26e84d40$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9eQLaD.A.c9E.3gMaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:28:07 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Okay, I'll try all the recommends you all sent me, > except for the > hardware...no hardware. I'm done with it. It's me, > my guitar, and my laptop. I see your point and I feel your pain, trust me, but by going all software don't you tend to increase latency to a point where it starts getting noticable? My latest experiements with computer generated effects have all been with the laptop being in an effects loop so my direct sound is still only being processed by a dedicated hardware preamp. I'm sure it has it's own degree of latency, but nothing I notice. I guess I'm just curious as to how well totally abandoning dedicated hardware actually works in the real world. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 18:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717F23BEE4; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,130,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="36542829:sNHT2349345348" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Expression pedals: linear taper Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:19:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Expression pedals: linear taper thread-index: AcZ4SrHZ3uNWbveZQZ+tKw0gq483wA== From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2006 18:19:34.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E026980:01C6784C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, For expression pedals (attached to a midi foot controller) , do folks find it more preferrable to have a linear taper, or log taper , other? Thanks -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 18:42:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B443BEE0; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C8veRf39qL/Oqg4A8cCkNXnrv+fSCaPAmVChbCAQg4U2qbNlckLiwAOEDZkn3r9/AxY3rCk9Mok/lZtd/uEtUqSjnlzRECjJ2V8XlsdxLn613hAA69LIDwJ31Qw2kBx7EneunUyJLlRe1ejF8Ec+8s7YDCs5htOE/veSdhH+EQ0= ; Message-ID: <20060515184158.14918.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d601c6782c$4f08d1b0$6401a8c0@DELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:42:00 +0000 (UTC) I've experimented a bit with this and here's what I found works nicely. Get a software sequencer. Almost any will do probably but I use Digital Performer 4.6. Why? I don't know. Works though and runs off a laptop easily. For drums I use a combonation of BATTERY2 and Stylus RMX. Both are pretty processor friendly if you don't add a lot of effects. Then I make a track that's a command track for my Repeater. Tells it when to go into record, when to stop the record, etc. I really like having this totally automated so I can just play and not have to worry about pedals. Using this method I can create verse/chorus/bridge structures very easily and toggle between them. Works really well if you're doing a structured song as long as you do a bit of planning. Of course, you could do the same thing with an EDP as well or any hardware looper that'll sync to a midi clock and do multiple loops. Repeater's just my tool of choice at the moment. Could possibily do it in software too, but I haven't figured that out quite yet. Seems promising. Mark --- Sean Mormelo wrote: > Here's my Dilema...I'm getting pretty stale playing > solo acoustic and I have my feelers out for > bandmembers. I'm starting to do the looping thing I > like the idea of the spontineity of it and the fact > that the song will take on a unique life every time > I play it...I just wish there was a way to integrate > the looping in with some backing drums and bass as > well but I can' t think of how to make it work with > the looping other then cutting each part of and > making loops out of them for every song, then > triggering those specific parts...like section A, B, > Chorus, Bridge, etc etc...Lay it out in Ableton Live > with each section of the song in your set having > their own unique loops. Then you'd have to hit a > MIDI Pedal telling Ableton to loop the section > you're on While The MIDI Also arms your EDP or My > RC-50 Looper and starts it recording....Or you tell > LIVE you want a section to loop at the beginning of > it so as to give you time to get ready to trigger > your looper manually....Or, just do it all within > Abelton Live like KID Beyond and lots of folks are > doing it......It's a lot to ponder for certain but I > would love to do this for certain shows...If anyone > is doing anything similar, I'd love to know your > method. I think I need some advice on how to go > about setting this up...Thanks. > > Sean Mormelo > www.seanmormelo.com > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 18:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F0103BED8; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8d2be14969267ac883feab61832307bb@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Expression pedals: linear taper Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:50:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:50:54 +0000 (UTC) I prefer the taper of the ev-5, which seems pretty linear....one of the=20= cool things about Max MSP, is I can change the taper in the patch for=20 different effects.....which I do.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 15, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: > Hi, > For expression pedals (attached to a midi foot controller) , do folks > find it more preferrable to have a linear taper, or log taper , = other? > > > Thanks > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 19:15:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 139C83BEDA; Mon, 15 May 2006 19:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4468D353.2070501@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:15:31 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ways to get more power in laptop setups References: <001501c6784b$97ebef60$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001501c6784b$97ebef60$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > As I have gone laptop recently, and I'm somewhat notorious for using huge > amounts of different instruments and effects, the computer performance is an > issue for me. > > I have thought about TC Electronic's powercore firewire, which would allow > me to take at least the "normal" effects (like EQs, compressors, filters, > reverb etc.) off the main CPU. But then again, the price of this thing is > about the same as a 3+ GHz Turion or 1.7GHz Centrino DualCore, together with > 1GB of RAM and 17'' screen and whatnot... > > So the question is: if I had that kind of money, would it be invested better > into a powercore firewire or into another computer (not necessarily laptop), > or into a completely different solution. > > Keep replies offlist, please; I'll post a summary to the list if wanted. > > Rainer > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 19:18:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D52C3BED9; Mon, 15 May 2006 19:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer:sender; b=nrHzTFmcDmFfoPiEavMvNDzBZWGZt4SWUD4r0q1ZYPtwywianeysjmDx8mTApEUP0fAZnKoRuSoRPKfvV1QeISHFGN2JhhR9PiRTNHxVq5VZGT4qh7MYlHIeC39RD9fvmdMpYMoJ/sqNLcbt6R/euB4M8a3WaaW3LG1ED2PH29E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: new ambient/looping podcast Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:18:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Sender: Andrew Ostler Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:18:37 +0000 (UTC) See http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html Launching with a 10 minute guitar/laptop improvisation, using Ableton Live and Augustus Loop. Feedback most welcome! cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 19:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D11623BEF6; Mon, 15 May 2006 19:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4468D413.5050503@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:18:43 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ways to get more power in laptop setups References: <001501c6784b$97ebef60$0101a8c0@succubus> <4468D353.2070501@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <4468D353.2070501@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Ahem, sorry about that. I was trying to be careful *not* to send to the whole list. Ahem. A. Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > > ................ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 19:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62ABF3BEA9; Mon, 15 May 2006 19:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4468DB6F.2000708@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:50:07 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? References: <20060515184158.14918.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060515184158.14918.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:50:13 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I've experimented a bit with this and here's what I > found works nicely. > > Get a software sequencer. .... > > Then I make a track that's a command track for my > Repeater. Tells it when to go into record, when to > stop the record, etc. I really like having this > totally automated so I can just play and not have to > worry about pedals. Yeah man. I do this all the time with Live and Reaktor. Actually, it's one of the main reasons to use this rig: I can do live looping of midi events as well - bang out a good combo of "record, stutter, loop at 3/8ths, fade to delay" in realtime, and have that loop throughout your performance, switch to new recording patterns, have one that is a simple sequence of the overdub button, so you're spitting cool rhythmic sequences of your performance into the loop. That's where it's at! Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 19:58:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49BF3BED9; Mon, 15 May 2006 19:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4468DD79.7000807@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:58:49 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Expression pedals: linear taper References: <8d2be14969267ac883feab61832307bb@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <8d2be14969267ac883feab61832307bb@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2XEJJB.A.1MD.81NaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Well, for pedals going into an ADC to be converted to midi they actually *have* to be linear, IIRC. a. Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I prefer the taper of the ev-5, which seems pretty linear....one of the > cool things about Max MSP, is I can change the taper in the patch for > different effects.....which I do.... > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On May 15, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: > >> Hi, >> For expression pedals (attached to a midi foot controller) , do folks >> find it more preferrable to have a linear taper, or log taper , other? >> >> >> Thanks >> -Qua >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 20:11:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8D3F3BEF0; Mon, 15 May 2006 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UYIfHeSjI7zq8QfFzg5Ba2hbFtpKKaNFlxVXxDfJ++IrBklh1Om5AAOIcWZu4ItMqTqJs1W7Sqv+BlGHMj9xRYe+gnZrDOOgi2CcBkYNfYzJIJVUB193hiiOAFQHyXlJLTxvPEi1fv/HLaliZ4jNarPQvjVG0UatcTK724JFsbU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F7D61EA-A7A7-47AC-AC2D-F99CB5C60BAA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new ambient/looping podcast Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:11:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) On 15 maj 2006, at 21.18, Os wrote: > See > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html > Launching with a 10 minute guitar/laptop improvisation, using > Ableton Live and Augustus Loop. > Feedback most welcome! How wonderful that a new loopers podcast is born! I have just enjoyed "calling card 3" and of course subscribed. It's soo cool to subscribe and get new interesting music right into you computer and eventual iPod. I think that's so much more "art friendly" than traditional download sites or web shops. What I like in podcasting is to put my trust in an artist. I want this artist to amaze - or disgust me - me with whatever he/she decides to put out. I don't want to express my own taste by calculated consumer decisions on what to download and what to skip over. In that regard podcasting is similar to going to a concert; you take the risk exposing yourself to someone's outlet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 21:01:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBC13BEE0; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4468DD79.7000807@post.cybercity.dk> References: <8d2be14969267ac883feab61832307bb@pfmentum.com> <4468DD79.7000807@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <450d5a9ba526b89e4ffa042849aa0b28@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Expression pedals: linear taper Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:01:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:01:52 +0000 (UTC) the way I use pedals is a bit different....so I've noticed that other=20 pedals I've tried are not linear, but make slower changes in the heel=20 range, and faster changes in the toe range....such as the dunlop volume=20= pedals..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 15, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Well, for pedals going into an ADC to be converted to midi they=20 > actually *have* to be linear, IIRC. > > a. > > Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> I prefer the taper of the ev-5, which seems pretty linear....one of=20= >> the cool things about Max MSP, is I can change the taper in the patch=20= >> for different effects.....which I do.... >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >> On May 15, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: >>> Hi, >>> For expression pedals (attached to a midi foot controller) , do = folks >>> find it more preferrable to have a linear taper, or log taper ,=20 >>> other? >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Qua >>> >> . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 21:05:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC713BEE7; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <450d5a9ba526b89e4ffa042849aa0b28@pfmentum.com> References: <8d2be14969267ac883feab61832307bb@pfmentum.com> <4468DD79.7000807@post.cybercity.dk> <450d5a9ba526b89e4ffa042849aa0b28@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4f6ee887ced6ca5c94d04bf272ff9fa8@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Expression pedals: linear taper Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:05:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:05:49 +0000 (UTC) anyway....I shouldn't try to confuse things....just my nature..... :-) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 15, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > the way I use pedals is a bit different....so I've noticed that other=20= > pedals I've tried are not linear, but make slower changes in the heel=20= > range, and faster changes in the toe range....such as the dunlop=20 > volume pedals.....= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 22:39:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EBEA3BEE9; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5MLPyRqnGW5OnwaazHjDVEWRbPgoaIgI5rG6W0e+hSsIKmaL1SP8QmFeS8Gwuhl6I0e5667H3W6Xq4YoZKLTRm4ieLwxW023ZeAHXkoqKzP2VHgwOF8N/pdlvP/QE4UTpVju+9CkkewYVvm1TzwHZTzB32UThk0rAs4er4zS3bw= ; Message-ID: <20060515223951.44899.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: recomended CD Grafic software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008401c6746b$57a85490$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7x2Vj.A.bHD.3MQaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:39:52 +0000 (UTC) thanx tony! cheers Luis --- Tony K wrote: > you can grab my PSD files for CDs > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/PhotoshopCDCovers.rar > > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andreas Wetterberg" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:09 AM > Subject: Re: recomended CD Grafic software > > > > yes, and a quick-quick google provided these > templates for inlays and > > such: > > http://www.copy-cd.biz/dtp-area/templates.jsp > > > > Joey wrote: > >> Adobe Illustrator and/or Photoshop should be > enough. > >> > >> > >> On 5/10/06, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > >>> Hi gang, > >>> i am gathering info on good software to start > making > >>> my own CD covers,ive used nero CD and similar > bundles > >>> but they all seem a bit mediocre,the lack the > side > >>> labels etc.anybody doing grafic design for their > own > >>> cds on this list? > >>> thanx > >>> Luis > >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> . > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 22:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4BF3BEDA; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013f01c67873$02891bf0$6401a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <20060515184158.14918.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:57:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:58:00 +0000 (UTC) So Mark, you have your drums and backing tracks in DP while the program controls your hardware looper. So what you are saying if i'm getting this correctly is that you create all the music exept your drums by live looping each section of the song which you lay out ahead of time and toggle between? I'm assuming your drums are MIDI but I guess this would work if you were toggle between loop clips as well. I would want to do it manually instead because I want the option of skipping to different sections and doing weird loop stuff on the fly..In other words, I don't want to have a strict arrangement for every song. Hmm..sounds doable.. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? > I've experimented a bit with this and here's what I > found works nicely. > > Get a software sequencer. Almost any will do probably > but I use Digital Performer 4.6. Why? I don't know. > Works though and runs off a laptop easily. For drums > I use a combonation of BATTERY2 and Stylus RMX. Both > are pretty processor friendly if you don't add a lot > of effects. > > Then I make a track that's a command track for my > Repeater. Tells it when to go into record, when to > stop the record, etc. I really like having this > totally automated so I can just play and not have to > worry about pedals. Using this method I can create > verse/chorus/bridge structures very easily and toggle > between them. Works really well if you're doing a > structured song as long as you do a bit of planning. > > Of course, you could do the same thing with an EDP as > well or any hardware looper that'll sync to a midi > clock and do multiple loops. Repeater's just my tool > of choice at the moment. Could possibily do it in > software too, but I haven't figured that out quite > yet. Seems promising. > > Mark > > > > --- Sean Mormelo wrote: > > > Here's my Dilema...I'm getting pretty stale playing > > solo acoustic and I have my feelers out for > > bandmembers. I'm starting to do the looping thing I > > like the idea of the spontineity of it and the fact > > that the song will take on a unique life every time > > I play it...I just wish there was a way to integrate > > the looping in with some backing drums and bass as > > well but I can' t think of how to make it work with > > the looping other then cutting each part of and > > making loops out of them for every song, then > > triggering those specific parts...like section A, B, > > Chorus, Bridge, etc etc...Lay it out in Ableton Live > > with each section of the song in your set having > > their own unique loops. Then you'd have to hit a > > MIDI Pedal telling Ableton to loop the section > > you're on While The MIDI Also arms your EDP or My > > RC-50 Looper and starts it recording....Or you tell > > LIVE you want a section to loop at the beginning of > > it so as to give you time to get ready to trigger > > your looper manually....Or, just do it all within > > Abelton Live like KID Beyond and lots of folks are > > doing it......It's a lot to ponder for certain but I > > would love to do this for certain shows...If anyone > > is doing anything similar, I'd love to know your > > method. I think I need some advice on how to go > > about setting this up...Thanks. > > > > Sean Mormelo > > www.seanmormelo.com > > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 15 23:48:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F8523BED6; Mon, 15 May 2006 23:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b2e01c6787a$0e6ac7a0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060515182806.78179.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:48:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 561, in=298507, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:48:28 +0000 (UTC) I have no latency issues, and I'm loaded to the gills with VST effects! :) Between the Intel duo processor, 2 gig of RAM, the Indigo IO soundcard, etc...my system appears to be performing to my satisfaction. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Okay, I'll try all the recommends you all sent me, >> except for the >> hardware...no hardware. I'm done with it. It's me, >> my guitar, and my laptop. > > I see your point and I feel your pain, trust me, but > by going all software don't you tend to increase > latency to a point where it starts getting noticable? > My latest experiements with computer generated effects > have all been with the laptop being in an effects loop > so my direct sound is still only being processed by a > dedicated hardware preamp. I'm sure it has it's own > degree of latency, but nothing I notice. I guess I'm > just curious as to how well totally abandoning > dedicated hardware actually works in the real world. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 00:23:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE603BECD; Tue, 16 May 2006 00:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:32:18 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: OT: Morphine and two saxes? To: Message-id: <002901c67880$306043c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060512214539.70883.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:23:54 +0000 (UTC) I know that Morphine definitely had settled on a name by 1990 - as I'd see them play regularly back then at The Middle East Restaurant, in Cambridge MA. Their first record -- GOOD -- references "Billy Conway replaces Jerome Dupree all live gigs 1991..." As I played with Jerry Dupree in a band a few years later, I can attest to the fact that Mark Sandman and Jerry Dupree came at life from *very* different visions. Zooming forward many summers later... a friend of mine delivered the news of Mark's death to his girlfriend while on holiday. Bad, sad scene. When Sandman died, he took with him a bit of the soul that had existed in the Cambridge / Boston music scene. Good, the first Morphine album, is a bit on the dry side but well worth picking up. At the time, they nothing sounded like else. When King Crimson and Morphine were both playing the HORDE festival tour, I remember Trey Gunn making a comment that he was looking forward to seeing Morphine play "..to see how they do it.." or words to that effect. Have a lucky day David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Re: OT: Morphine and two saxes? > Yeah, Dana Colley often did the Roland Kirk two-sax > thing. I think the remaining two Morphiners are > playing in a 3 piece with former Face To Face > singer/guitarist Laurie Sargent called The Twinemen, > living here in New Hampshire. > > I never met them, but Morphine recorded at Fort Apache > in Cambridge, MA at the same time my old band Heavens > to Murgatroid did (1992). They didn't have a name yet; > I remember the big dry-erase board where we were > blocking out mixdown time and competing for available > slots with "The Mark Sandman Project". (RIP) > > Thinking back, it's possible that they *recorded* > elsewhere (Q-Division?) but were mixing at the Fort... > > -t- > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > > Andy asked if it was two saxes played by one guy > > and in the three shows I saw them play early and > > mid career it was only one bari.. > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 01:25:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 232783BED6; Tue, 16 May 2006 01:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xUk9ZvkPYEEK6DUNaxkmH5KCOx6pqDDb/vOZCS3boA0m7Zb/4CxaylNZ9NBOY42iKv9uYrYt6w+WLHvOp6kVbrQpxFASKnW9lAjJHCNNFMSl8qo0MabVepUdQLtFYXCtZO/GrSX0I1Vq1aibu/Ne70MNC+HpqwuGpCyGuIM6gzA= ; Message-ID: <20060516012506.12615.qmail@web37904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 01:25:12 +0000 (UTC) --- daniel stevenson wrote: > has anybody seen how Keller Williams uses his > mixer > and a looper to bring in bass lines,beat > boxin,multiple guitar loops, his vocals,and his lil > triangle all into the mix,all in real time?i dont > like > the ideal of having anything pre recorded for using > as > backing trax-its just not cool.of course some of the > audience may think your playing over recordings or > pre > sequenced patches regardless of how you approach > things. > about feeling stale with the path your music is > taking,i like the mind altering vision quest where > you > find insight into your psyche...like the movie > altered > states without the isolation tank.i find these quest > very help-full as long as i dont abuse the sacred > ritual by looking for insight to often. > to the future, > scary visionary. > > > --- Sean Mormelo wrote: > > > So Mark, you have your drums and backing tracks in > > DP while the program > > controls your hardware looper. So what you are > > saying if i'm getting this > > correctly is that you create all the music exept > > your drums by live looping > > each section of the song which you lay out ahead > of > > time and toggle between? > > I'm assuming your drums are MIDI but I guess this > > would work if you were > > toggle between loop clips as well. I would want to > > do it manually instead > > because I want the option of skipping to different > > sections and doing weird > > loop stuff on the fly..In other words, I don't > want > > to have a strict > > arrangement for every song. Hmm..sounds doable.. > > > > > > Sean Mormelo > > www.seanmormelo.com > > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark sottilaro" > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:41 AM > > Subject: Re: Looping with Backing Tracks??? > > > > > > > I've experimented a bit with this and here's > what > > I > > > found works nicely. > > > > > > Get a software sequencer. Almost any will do > > probably > > > but I use Digital Performer 4.6. Why? I don't > > know. > > > Works though and runs off a laptop easily. For > > drums > > > I use a combonation of BATTERY2 and Stylus RMX. > > Both > > > are pretty processor friendly if you don't add a > > lot > > > of effects. > > > > > > Then I make a track that's a command track for > my > > > Repeater. Tells it when to go into record, when > > to > > > stop the record, etc. I really like having this > > > totally automated so I can just play and not > have > > to > > > worry about pedals. Using this method I can > > create > > > verse/chorus/bridge structures very easily and > > toggle > > > between them. Works really well if you're doing > a > > > structured song as long as you do a bit of > > planning. > > > > > > Of course, you could do the same thing with an > EDP > > as > > > well or any hardware looper that'll sync to a > midi > > > clock and do multiple loops. Repeater's just my > > tool > > > of choice at the moment. Could possibily do it > in > > > software too, but I haven't figured that out > quite > > > yet. Seems promising. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sean Mormelo wrote: > > > > > > > Here's my Dilema...I'm getting pretty stale > > playing > > > > solo acoustic and I have my feelers out for > > > > bandmembers. I'm starting to do the looping > > thing I > > > > like the idea of the spontineity of it and the > > fact > > > > that the song will take on a unique life every > > time > > > > I play it...I just wish there was a way to > > integrate > > > > the looping in with some backing drums and > bass > > as > > > > well but I can' t think of how to make it work > > with > > > > the looping other then cutting each part of > and > > > > making loops out of them for every song, then > > > > triggering those specific parts...like section > > A, B, > > > > Chorus, Bridge, etc etc...Lay it out in > Ableton > > Live > > > > with each section of the song in your set > having > > > > their own unique loops. Then you'd have to hit > a > > > > MIDI Pedal telling Ableton to loop the section > > > > you're on While The MIDI Also arms your EDP or > > My > > > > RC-50 Looper and starts it recording....Or you > > tell > > > > LIVE you want a section to loop at the > beginning > > of > > > > it so as to give you time to get ready to > > trigger > > > > your looper manually....Or, just do it all > > within > > > > Abelton Live like KID Beyond and lots of folks > > are > > > > doing it......It's a lot to ponder for certain > > but I > > > > would love to do this for certain shows...If > > anyone > > > > is doing anything similar, I'd love to know > your > > > > method. I think I need some advice on how to > go > > > > about setting this up...Thanks. > > > > > > > > Sean Mormelo > > > > www.seanmormelo.com > > > > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > > > > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > > > > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 01:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE5593BED3; Tue, 16 May 2006 01:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8878a903809620af011e07a1c684a967@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:50:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 01:50:49 +0000 (UTC) On May 14, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm basically searching for something that will give me a nice clean > jazz amp feel. Kris, there's an excellent jazz guitar preamp plugin that ships with Digital Performer called "Trim". it sounds _just_ like a Polytone. possibly there's something like it in VST. --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 02:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ACEF3BED8; Tue, 16 May 2006 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446934DC.6000108@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:11:40 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: >>> On 14 maj 2006, at 00.10, Brian Good wrote: >>> >>>> EWI driving Absynth or Sculpture > > Per Boysen wrote: > >>> Yes, Sculpture is one of my favorite synths, the way you can morph >>> the sound while playing. Do you have the new EWI4000s? >>> http://ewi- evi.com/ >> >> > On 14 maj 2006, at 16.54, Brian Good wrote: > >> Yes. I've played a 3000/3000m for many years, but the 4000s seems >> significantly better. Do you play a wind synth of some kind? >> >> Brian > > > > Not yet. But if I had the money I would get the 4000s right away (will > do a.s.a.p). How do you like the built in sounds? I'm not that impressed with the onboard analog modeling synth, but I haven't had a chance to do any programming yet, so I don't know how good it can sound. There are some bugs in the firmware yet (there's an upgrade expected soon), and I'm trying to track down a stuck-notes problem when driving certain softsynths. But having said that, it plays more smoothly than the 3000, and has more MIDI mapping options. Assuming the bugs get fixed, I'm thinking of using it with a wireless MIDI setup, so I'll no longer be tied down. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 02:20:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC94C3BED3; Tue, 16 May 2006 02:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44693707.6040509@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:20:55 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EWI References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 02:20:56 +0000 (UTC) mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > I am a YAmaha WX7 player, but got a chance to check out the EWI4000s at > the NAMM show in January. I didn't get to actually blow on it, but I > held it and tried out the keys. Very cool roller octave keys! Those are > nicer than on any of the Yamahas. I still find it hard to get used to > the other non-moving touch keys. People who play EWIs all say that after > you get used to them they are faster than regular keys, but I dunno. Unlikely. The WX's keys are so small and light that they don't slow you down in any meaningful way. But you can eventually get used to the touch sensors on the EWIs. I think it's easier for those of us trained on open-holed instruments like clarinet, where you can't rest your fingers on the keys. You can't do that with an EWI. > Maybe I'll get a 4000s at some point, but I would mostly use it to drive > my Reaktor sounds and probably wouldn't use the internal synth at all. If the WX is working for you, I wouldn't bother, unless there's some specific feature of the 4000 that you want. What kind of Reaktor stuff do you do with it? Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 03:08:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A95E33BED2; Tue, 16 May 2006 03:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 03:07:57 GMT X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: EWI X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <44693707.6040509@adelphia.net> References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> <44693707.6040509@adelphia.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--8e14befe618253455a9c" Resent-Message-ID: <-vShfB.A.0Y.SIUaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 03:08:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----8e14befe618253455a9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit undefined ----8e14befe618253455a9c Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Go
Date: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: EWI
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

> If the WX is working for you, I wouldn't bother, unless there's
> some
> specific feature of the 4000 that you want.
>
> What kind of Reaktor stuff do you do with it?
>
> Brian

I've been working on this big band synthesizer for a long time:

http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html

I think it sounds really good. I finally have a computer I can use live (Open labs NeKo), and am working out how to use it with my guitar looping stuff...

http://www.marksmart.net/bands/jazzlooping/jazzlooping.html

...which I currently use a pedalboard setup for...

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V2

I thought I would be able to do the whole pedalboard in software, but I'm somewhat disappointed that I can't get the latency down to where I can't feel it. So I think I'm going to use some combination of the right pedalboard (without the Loop Stations) and the NeKo. I also have Native Instruments B4 on the NeKo, so I will be able to add nice Hammond sounds, too. Should be really cool once I get all the complexities worked out.

Another advantage of still using the pedalboard is that I will have a backup in case the NeKo crashes! So far it has never done this, even when I beat on it pretty hard for four days at the NAMM show. But I'm still paranoid that it will...

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

 ----8e14befe618253455a9c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 04:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D4663BECF; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:53:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 564, in=311629, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-yhshB.A.N7E.xqVaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 04:53:06 +0000 (UTC) I love this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99dSr-H978&search=delia%20derbyshire Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique. Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 05:00:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 057513BED0; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c4e01c678a5$ac5fe320$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <0a0201c677bb$f41f27b0$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8878a903809620af011e07a1c684a967@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:00:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 561, in=298678, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 05:00:41 +0000 (UTC) That would be a dream come true, given my affinity with Polytones. Can you send me a link? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: tube preamp VST plugin? > On May 14, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I'm basically searching for something that will give me a nice clean >> jazz amp feel. > > Kris, > > there's an excellent jazz guitar preamp plugin that ships with Digital > Performer called "Trim". it sounds _just_ like a Polytone. > > possibly there's something like it in VST. > --- > Suit & Tie Guy > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 07:28:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAE63BEB5; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAIUYaUSBS4c9LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060516081011.01b61918@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:28:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Expression pedals: linear taper In-Reply-To: <20060516002354.DF4E83BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060516002354.DF4E83BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:28:21 +0000 (UTC) >Hi, >For expression pedals (attached to a midi foot controller) , do folks >find it more preferrable to have a linear taper, or log taper , other? > > >Thanks >-Qua Depends on the how the hardware is designed, ideally the pedal motion would be converted linearly to MIDI CC, and then the way that CC effects the sound would be programmed to respond as log, linear or whatever. There's no standard as to what pot is used to achieve this, and some manufacurers would like you to buy their own brand pedal, so aren't too revealing about what works with their gear. Matthias tells me that "log" pots are mostly a combination of a couple of linear sections anyway. There's only 128 steps in midi control, so it's not very accurate. There's going to be either zipper noise, or a delay in the response (for smoothing). So you asked a good question, but the only answer I have is to try what's available and find what works. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 08:07:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7E03BED0; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44698826.10708@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:07:02 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique References: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:07:11 +0000 (UTC) That whole program (The Alchemists of Sound) is well worth tracking down. Very exciting, and there's a full reconstruction of the Dr.Who theme in there and a spooky guy in the background of all the contemporary interviews... top notch! A. Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love this... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99dSr-H978&search=delia%20derbyshire > > Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her > sampling/recording technique. > > Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. :) > > Kris > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 08:35:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFBA23BEC2; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yr4XE0Ux2dG9NJPC8Hb4nY0Wpmz+VjP9uCv3vOOy3/C1GGcT5h2IIUe0Ooor2/h7Mg/69038abyIfj0bNMjv8G/YSvn4GE5KpxK3uoZ8Oxm46kNsHlP8bU81WHPS8vsxeKy7FVe9D7ercwZx6oyGmnHggzUv6NUH7RPLekBSt3U= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 01:35:31 -0700 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique In-Reply-To: <44698826.10708@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44698826.10708@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:35:33 +0000 (UTC) http://fatbaron.com/ On 5/16/06, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > That whole program (The Alchemists of Sound) is well worth tracking > down. Very exciting, and there's a full reconstruction of the Dr.Who > theme in there and a spooky guy in the background of all the > contemporary interviews... top notch! > > A. > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I love this... > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dr99dSr-H978&search=3Ddelia%20derbyshir= e > > > > Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her > > sampling/recording technique. > > > > Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. :) > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > . > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 09:07:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EF3E3BEC2; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44699657.6000109@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:07:35 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique References: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44698826.10708@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I didn't know there was a full-res version there! Cool - time to replace my old version. A. Joey wrote: > http://fatbaron.com/ > > > On 5/16/06, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >> That whole program (The Alchemists of Sound) is well worth tracking >> down. Very exciting, and there's a full reconstruction of the Dr.Who >> theme in there and a spooky guy in the background of all the >> contemporary interviews... top notch! >> >> A. >> >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > I love this... >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99dSr-H978&search=delia%20derbyshire >> > >> > Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her >> > sampling/recording technique. >> > >> > Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. :) >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > >> > >> > . >> > >> >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 13:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08EDA3BEC1; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:39:21 GMT X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: EWI X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: References: <006001c67607$80b4a990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <2FCBB971-72A3-4D3C-908A-7740BFDCBB72@gmail.com> <44665954.4000006@adelphia.net> <446744B1.1030606@adelphia.net> <7327457C-D2F0-4DD2-9CFB-43A3283B1796@gmail.com> <44693707.6040509@adelphia.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--9b05913d5a2824401863" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:39:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----9b05913d5a2824401863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit undefined ----9b05913d5a2824401863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang, sorry about all the repetition in that last post. I spaced out and forgot that I had written almost the same thing on the "Backing Tracks" thread.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
----9b05913d5a2824401863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 17:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 816FF3BEC1; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Mobius on an Intel Mac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:46:37 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0716D6@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius on an Intel Mac Thread-Index: AcZ5EK4pHeuqXU1+SYO1gj4btHIzGA== From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <9zrilC.A.EPF.8_gaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for the spam, but some of you that are not on=20 my Yahoo group have expressed interest in this... I've just verified that Mobius will run on an Intel MacBook running windows XP under "bootcamp". Note that this is *not* a Mac port, you have to carve out a partition on=20 your hard drive and install Windows XP. But it is more convenient than lugging two machines around if you have Mac applications you also want to use. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 17:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35D1F3BEC1; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j0yokJ5vtpFrVEt4HZMxqkOp4HLqgMw0LT8YpPPX8dqLdgv626Mf6eVS0Qm1YvvWiDuh6LNW5+VlkQMf1v1BDBH1GTb55S8YuNLvFr/4cyxY81i4baFRtJMtrIYBNAZGuK7GE4OxU4B5qzindIwMSHFafU266QE+50pmC9DVdAw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0716D6@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0716D6@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D62BEC2-75D6-40D6-B327-52F838D2D477@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:53:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:53:29 +0000 (UTC) On 16 maj 2006, at 19.46, jeff larson wrote: > Sorry for the spam, but some of you that are not on > my Yahoo group have expressed interest in this... > > I've just verified that Mobius will run on an Intel MacBook > running windows XP under "bootcamp". Note that this > is *not* a Mac port, you have to carve out a partition on > your hard drive and install Windows XP. But it is more > convenient than lugging two machines around if you have > Mac applications you also want to use. > > Regards, > Jeff Wow - what a blast! I will probably be the last person on the planet to get my hands on a Macbook, since I already own two macs and one great XP lappy.... and absolutely no money. And my dream is to save up for an EWI 4000s before anything else. They go for just a little less dough than the macbooks. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 18:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 658CD3BEC1; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1147804398.446a1aee11d47@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:33:18 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [off topic] looking for software job MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 24.7.114.95 Resent-Message-ID: <-XVA3B.A.xkH.urhaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:33:19 +0000 (UTC) hey fellow loopers, Well, yesterday I was laid off from Euphonix. Yet again the reminder that the field of high end mixing consoles is a small market, and too many people have only a small piece of the pie (SSL anyone?)... anyways, change is good.. :) I thought I would throw my resume out to the list, in case anyone has any opportunities in thier office, or know of any. The highlevel overview is, I am a software engineer of 20+ years, I've spent the last 10 mostly working for music/media related companies (Opcode, Digidesign, Emu, Apple, and Euphonix). I have developed code for Windows, Mac, vxWorks, as well as embedded systems. My background includes alot of low-level and performance critical development, but also middleware and application level work. I live, and am looking for work, in the general silicon valley area. For the details, please check out my resume. I am continuing to work on the details from Euphonix, as I was there 4+ years, but everything else is up to date.. thanks for any help.. :) http://www.musetrap.com/cpr/resume peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 19:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CBF73BEB5; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=orMHWH3PiuPOUYEZpgs11Qz9l3cN6G7/ajG9knmkzneOl9JPpV22gtlCAbygYzCwMbLOaU9nboE3+XuohxaC6IpPrt7qqs7+vNwph6TlvjLwK36flMgu3ETvs/E8+/L7ydhPZQ1viwIGTf7uYi4flboTbUgde0fuzYiOeid2mKQ= ; Message-ID: <20060516191554.7479.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2D62BEC2-75D6-40D6-B327-52F838D2D477@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Ah very very interesting. THE LINES BLUR. I'm still toying with the idea of going laptop... It's hard as I wasn't able to get Mobius running well on my fiancee's laptop. Not sure why but I didn't want to screw with the settings too much. It's a Thinkpad Centrino 1.6 ghz but only has 512 of ram. Maybe it was the M-Audio Audiophile USB audio/MIDI interface. I've kind of put that on hold as I had a good experience with Sooperlooper on my G4 desktop. I've borrowed a 1.25 gighz Powerbook and an M-Audio 410 firewire interface to see what that's like. I'm still unsure if gigging with a laptop is for me but that might just be my old skool sensabilities. Werd. But ultimatly, as much as I love my Macs... when I factor in the price of a new Macbook with the cost of XP... it's still more than a similar Vaio or Toshiba or even Thinkpad considering they come with XP. I guess I'm asking for advice. I have a very competent G4 desktop that runs flawlessly. Spring for a Macbook or mix it up and just get an XP laptop? Mostly I hope to run a sequencer/looper and maybe a softsynth like Reaktor 5. Thanks a lot, Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 16 maj 2006, at 19.46, jeff larson wrote: > > > Sorry for the spam, but some of you that are not > on > > my Yahoo group have expressed interest in this... > > > > I've just verified that Mobius will run on an > Intel MacBook > > running windows XP under "bootcamp". Note that > this > > is *not* a Mac port, you have to carve out a > partition on > > your hard drive and install Windows XP. But it is > more > > convenient than lugging two machines around if you > have > > Mac applications you also want to use. > > > > Regards, > > Jeff > > > Wow - what a blast! I will probably be the last > person on the planet > to get my hands on a Macbook, since I already own > two macs and one > great XP lappy.... and absolutely no money. And my > dream is to save > up for an EWI 4000s before anything else. They go > for just a little > less dough than the macbooks. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 19:41:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A62963BEC5; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Kx8dGs+sX37piUH8Sq7BVC99kQmkoA6k90eltSVPzh3N52prOhztv19ags/rGZfoXR659/mF7uBWmHIQmGwJrgztANj4tMtXziYFCXeLI0qdiac3V0GpJY1Q5ktHiDieWh3wpMzndCKQ3OUbI5vj0L72ePLyXPHJd2zWW2eTt00= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060516191554.7479.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060516191554.7479.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:41:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <7z5Ym.A.TzC.0riaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:41:40 +0000 (UTC) On 16 maj 2006, at 21.15, mark sottilaro wrote: > I've borrowed a 1.25 gighz Powerbook That's the model I have! :-)) It's very slow compared to my 2 GHz =20 centrino laptop or my 2x2 G5 tower. But this old powerbook is good =20 enough for looping out. I used it at the Z=FCrich Loopfest last year, =20= running two instances of Augustus Loop (hosted by Ableton Live) =20 together with my EDP. Mixing the two software loopers with the EDP in =20= Live's mixer, adding some reverb and Pluggo effects. I have 2 GB RAM =20 and I guess that's why it's so stable and never crashes. What happens =20= when I load up too much for the G4 CPU is that the audio starts =20 sounding a bit crackled, or simply stops. I found that powerbook a =20 bit slow for SooperLooper too, because I wanted to run at least three =20= instances of the AU version (under Live). > But ultimatly, as much as I love my Macs... when I > factor in the price of a new Macbook with the cost of > XP... it's still more than a similar Vaio I checked the Vaio prices and here they are almost double up compared =20= to the Macbook. You have to compare equal machines, regarding =20 processing power as well as other internal parts! I doubt many =20 laptops can stand up to the Macbook if you look at how sturdy it's =20 built and how well equipped it is. If you are able to hold back for a =20= month to study early adopter reports on the Macbook you will be =20 better off to make the best decision. It's also a question of which software you plan to use with the =20 macbook. I mean, when will it be available as binary? (Intel =20 optimized) You mentioned REaktor 5, which is known to be a CPU hog of =20= big dimensions. Do you know when NI will offer the MacIntel version? =20 Or will you get the software after sitting waiting for half a year =20 with a macbook that is now "last years model"... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 16 23:05:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1998F3BEC7; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pjKYx8mi/w41t5cc4LpwN7SRucJTTMJAzz1mQGwLI6MZqrAE+WnSsQwEqWUi8/eTTQbZqIy790qUlVDxpLpoo0DvUw4IjhvPiTFHy8QkSKotIThoJ9UXkeK+LpNSaQwFRuvw2sz/rKDX+QeqprOTwW/IUeIEkLcQV2sl0uwRihM= ; Message-ID: <20060516230534.30972.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:05:38 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > I checked the Vaio prices and here they are almost > double up compared to the Macbook. Right, but then you add XP... In the US I'm seeing that most of the major brands are a bit cheaper than the Macbook Pros, but the Macbook seems to be closer in price. They're not as well built though. >You mentioned REaktor 5, which is known > to be a CPU hog of > big dimensions. Do you know when NI will offer the > MacIntel version? According to their site, very soon. > Or will you get the software after sitting waiting > for half a year with a macbook that is now "last years model"... Not really as there's still my dual gighz G4 that should run anything fine. The laptop will be a supplement to the Desktop and something I take out for "light" gig from time to time. Thanks again Per, once again you're a wealth of information! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 00:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 375F83BEC5; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007301c67946$61b102e0$e6b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: Subject: Max/Msp as a compositional tool.... Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:10:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <1Kg_oC.A.vjB.tnmaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:10:22 +0000 (UTC) This posting from ba newmuse, posted by Bob Boster, describes the group, TrioMetrik's use of max/msp programming to guide their compositions, and seems like a great illustration of just how deeply one can get in the program. The posting is a call for works, if anyone's interested, but goes on to outline TrioMetrik's methodology in their bio below. -miko >The BEAM Foundation is commisioning 2-4 new works for TrioMetrik. >Composers should submit a CV and work examples by June 15, 2006. Scope of >the piece and fee structure will be tailored to each applicant based upon >experience and proclivities. Selections will be announced July 7. Pieces >due end of August. > >Compatibility with TrioMetrik's tools and esthetics is a must. To this end >two Colloquia are scheduled to familiarize composers with these requirements: > >May 23rd 7 PM at BEAM Studios in Berkeley. (mail for directions) >May 24th 5 PM at CCRMA - Stanford Campus > >Examples of previous musical works from a recent performance and >descriptions of the techolgies employed are available at >www.beamfoundation.org . Abstract of talk >follows: > >MACIAS -a new software application that intelligently couples advanced >instruments."urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >Based on the concept of enhanced instruments coupled through an >intelligent network, MACIAS is the sophisticated integration of live >instruments that are extended beyond their original function with an >advanced music program and interface system. MACIAS is a specialized >network that receives, interprets, and operates on the sounds, notes, >gestures, and intentions of the musicians. The result is an interactive >musical esthetic for the 21st century (named "NuRoque") that encourages >complex structures and sonic adventure. NuRoque takes its inspiration from >the Baroque (Fr. for bizarre) revolution that new instruments and >esthetics caused in Europe in the 1600s. TrioMetrik (Ashley Adams, >Marielle Jakobsons, and Keith McMillen) is the live performing group using >these technologies. Paul Dresher has called TrioMetrik "the modern >composer's dream come true." Samples can be heard at >www.triometrik.org . > >Keith McMillen describes MACIAS as a system in which "knowledge and >control is distributed among the musicians and guided by the >composition. Direction to the performers is conveyed through an array of >graphic windows on a display that replaces the traditional score and music >stand. The musician's gestures, the score, audio processing, and other >structures are permitted to interact with each other in ways that lead to >modifications in performance. The result is a system designed to augment >and control the compositional structure beyond notes and transitions. >While these concepts have been explored individually, MACIAS represents >the first time a refined and integrated approach has been evenly and fully >applied across all of the components that comprise a musical entity." It >has taken the last 25 years for Keith to build the enhanced instruments >and refine MACIAS. > >The instruments and external devices are tied to a computer running the >program, a tuned assembly of over 200 individual screens and patches >written in Max/MSP. When instantiated, MACIAS occupies more than 125MB of >program memory not including audio buffers or data. All the components of >a piece are contained within a score that sets and continuously updates >thousands of parameters during performance. MACIAS executes the score and >defines the timbres, harmonic and rhythmic structures, interaction trees, >video selection and manipulation, etc. It determines the capture of audio >and musicians' gestures and prompts the musicians to play at the correct >times and either suggests politely a motif or demands and enforces a >rhythmic harmonicity and a specific timbre. > >Composer Jay Cloidt, who has written for TrioMetrik, has remarked that the >MACIAS system is "a tremendously flexible composer's and performer's >toolkit. Orson Welles once said, that a movie studio was '.the biggest >electric train set a boy ever had.' I think MACIAS just may be the modern >composer's electric train set." > >Description and live demonstrations will illustrate the system's >capabilities and lay a basic understanding of how one composes in this >style. The BEAM Foundation (the non-profit organization behind TrioMetrik, >MACIAS and NuRoque www.beamfoundation.org >) is actively commissioning pieces for the Trio. These sessions will be an >excellent introduction for interested composers. > > >Keith McMillen >Executive Director >BEAM Foundation >www.beamfoundation.org >510.502.5310 _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic@music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 01:51:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 903123BEC1; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:51:00 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) References: <20060516191554.7479.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 16 maj 2006, at 21.15, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> I've borrowed a 1.25 gighz Powerbook > > > That's the model I have! :-)) It's very slow compared to my 2 GHz > centrino laptop or my 2x2 G5 tower. But this old powerbook is good > enough for looping out. I used it at the Zürich Loopfest last year, > running two instances of Augustus Loop (hosted by Ableton Live) > together with my EDP. Mixing the two software loopers with the EDP in > Live's mixer, adding some reverb and Pluggo effects. I have 2 GB RAM > and I guess that's why it's so stable and never crashes. What happens > when I load up too much for the G4 CPU is that the audio starts > sounding a bit crackled, or simply stops. I found that powerbook a bit > slow for SooperLooper too, because I wanted to run at least three > instances of the AU version (under Live). Per, how stable has Live been as an AU host? I'm building up a Macbook-based performance rig, and would like to use Logic to have access to Sculpture. Unfortunately, I don't find Logic stable enough for live performance, at least on my studio G5. If Live is stable with AU instruments and Augustus Loop, it might be an option. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 02:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA4B3BEAF; Wed, 17 May 2006 02:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Video Loops Uploaded Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:42:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 02:42:16 +0000 (UTC) I'm experimenting with lo fi video loops with my terrible obsolete Radio Shack digital camera. I've uploaded three videos with the music I wrote for them at youtube. http://www.youtube.com/my_videos I hope you enjoy them. They are for tracks I've been writing for my next CD of Abstract Electronica (no live looping on this one except where I use live loops as a source material which I do occasionally) called ORANGE. I'm hoping to have this released by midsummer. rick walker aka Purple Hand (that's my abstract electronica moniker) aka |()()p.p()()| (that's my live looping moniker) aka nO thiN-g (that's my dark noise/ambient/industrial project) ps I'm going to start a new project called Rick Walker which means I'll have to sign on as Rick Walker aka Rick Walker (that's my extreme narcissism project) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 04:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5AE3BEC1; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XTUMO+TRQOabwNJtObFW2D5ikOoyus+lr0ky6Sr4pcVqbHCPmIIzfVvD8W/bChNLjvej8ozhNIiYpWJfXGT8cHomGxTXm49t5cnmojDPIzOC10+qHKuigPFpnLs+oyE73xs/9TswNx0U7xa8i+1qp4RuGjUDN0pJGgxUbrAC7v4= Message-ID: <913728d60605162128y125b035foa72f846ba81d450b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:28:13 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Loops Uploaded In-Reply-To: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 04:28:29 +0000 (UTC) i tried the link and got taken to my videos, which are not your videos, but i found yours at http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=3Dlooppool very cool! Charlie On 5/16/06, loop.pool wrote: > I'm experimenting with lo fi video loops with my terrible obsolete Radio > Shack digital camera. > > I've uploaded three videos with the music I wrote for them at youtube. > > http://www.youtube.com/my_videos > > I hope you enjoy them. > > They are for tracks I've been writing for my next CD of Abstract Electron= ica > (no live looping on this > one except where I use live loops as a source material which I do > occasionally) > called ORANGE. I'm hoping to have this released by midsummer. > > rick walker > aka Purple Hand (that's my abstract electronica moniker) > aka |()()p.p()()| (that's my live looping moniker) > aka nO thiN-g (that's my dark noise/ambient/industrial project) > > > ps I'm going to start a new project called Rick Walker > which means I'll have to sign on as > > Rick Walker > aka Rick Walker (that's my extreme narcissism project) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 06:19:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A363BEA7; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.71.11.48] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:19:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9_LXf.A.58C.jBsaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Superb! I'll be playing this to my students as soon as... Thanks Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique >I love this... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99dSr-H978&search=delia%20derbyshire > > Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording > technique. > > Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. :) > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 07:15:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FE263BEB9; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KQE0/Qrh7hwfGLv55mJzQevwKhAf00WOSV2v4njG26TApkxFuns+E9+3MXXARSCVYB2HMQiKRKtjNl7r9Y8ZZtGLXDpF/EGIjOO22NPkHqDuHY3bOsCVPUlJIOcoioV7QYBcGStoKfoo5GUqQfoykfqhlMJMsd+lSAfPh8Qiv9k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> References: <20060516191554.7479.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:15:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:15:22 +0000 (UTC) On 17 maj 2006, at 03.51, Brian Good wrote: > Per, how stable has Live been as an AU host? I'm building up a > Macbook-based performance rig, and would like to use Logic to have > access to Sculpture. Unfortunately, I don't find Logic stable > enough for live performance, at least on my studio G5. If Live is > stable with AU instruments and Augustus Loop, it might be an option. Hi Brian, I've been using Logic since 1994 for producing of recorded music in the safe studio environment. Compared to Cubase, that I used before, Logic was the thing for putting the pieces together. But I don't find it stable enough to use on stage as a performance application, although I really love some of it's effects (ring modulator, auto- filter, Evoc vocoder, Tape Delay, Guitar Amp Pro). In my use Live is much more stable and I have been using it a lot on stage to host AU's. There is also this USB copy protection dongle that you have to use with Logic and that is exactly the thing that some people jump on stage to steal when the lights go out. You can get the Logic Express version that doesn't use a dongle, but this version miss out on some of the plug-ins I like in Logic. And finally, when I tried to do live looping with Logic's tape delay or Augustus Loop it seems as these processes crash Logic in twenty minutes time. Live with Augustus Loop has been totally stable with me, and is also a very creative set-up. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 12:29:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2293BEB9; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y2rK2H45U19HwSRYR83rW6QO2X+guO8Kw4B4mvZyd88+0j1rrstZUecUSu3O5xDvOiDRHGsgp6ZbAFeNI30XQ5xPMgRuFHXbgPI+gS2FYII7KsmMx+2Jmo8JyVlSUCBlJvgJjQK7YpISypA36oEqpGr5Lh8V/24Vom/s6/6uFbE= ; Message-ID: <20060517122924.84889.qmail@web37904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: [off topic] looking for software job To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1147804398.446a1aee11d47@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:29:26 +0000 (UTC) do you have a green thumb?can you lug 50 gallons of water to clandestine outdoor laboratories?are you a member of any law enforcement community?do you hate paying taxes?do you like playing music?are you a people person?can you handle and maintain semi-automatic weapons?do you feel safe around a pack of watch dogs?we here at the mid ohio overgrow corp.can always use software developers to create computer programs to integrate horticulture and science. lol just kidding but theres always that line of work to fall back on.good luck with finding something you like to do for a living. to the future, scary visionary. --- cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > hey fellow loopers, > > Well, yesterday I was laid off from Euphonix. Yet > again the reminder that the > field of high end mixing consoles is a small market, > and too many people have > only a small piece of the pie (SSL anyone?)... > anyways, change is good.. :) > > I thought I would throw my resume out to the list, > in case anyone has any > opportunities in thier office, or know of any. > > The highlevel overview is, I am a software engineer > of 20+ years, I've spent > the last 10 mostly working for music/media related > companies (Opcode, > Digidesign, Emu, Apple, and Euphonix). I have > developed code for Windows, Mac, > vxWorks, as well as embedded systems. My background > includes alot of low-level > and performance critical development, but also > middleware and application level > work. I live, and am looking for work, in the > general silicon valley area. > For the details, please check out my resume. I am > continuing to work on the > details from Euphonix, as I was there 4+ years, but > everything else is up to > date.. thanks for any help.. :) > > http://www.musetrap.com/cpr/resume > > peace > -cpr > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet > Messaging Program. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 12:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05CE93BEB9; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:48:08 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Max/Msp as a compositional tool.... In-reply-to: <007301c67946$61b102e0$e6b85545@Biffoz> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001c01c679b0$25dd8f80$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:45:55 +0000 (UTC) If you're in the SF Bay Area and interested in MAX at all, you should check out Keith's presentation. Keith is a brilliant (and super nice) guy, and MACIAS is a system he's been working on (part time) more-or-less since I met him in the mid-1980s. At the risk of misrepresenting... Each member of TrioMetrik has a screen in front of them, and all their audio and MIDI is processed "together"; i.e., things that one musician does affect what others do. MACIAS is designed to faciliate both notated and improvised music. And the members of TrioMetrik are all quite excellent musicians (the basic instrumentation, I believe) is guitar, violin and 'cello). Keith, by the way, was the founder of Zeta Musical Instruments, makers of one of the top MIDI guitar controllers and very successful in the electric violin field as well, and he was also the founder of Octiv, whose multiband compression objects are included in MAX (and in a number of embedded applications). If the presentation wasn't 3000 miles away, I would surely be there. Oh, and by the way, I believe MACIAS includes extensive looping capabilities in both the audio and MIDI domains. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Miko Biffle [mailto:biffoz@arczip.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Max/Msp as a compositional tool.... > > > This posting from ba newmuse, posted by Bob Boster, describes > the group, TrioMetrik's use of max/msp programming to guide > their compositions, and seems like a great illustration of > just how deeply one can get in the program. The posting is a > call for works, if anyone's interested, but goes on to > outline TrioMetrik's methodology in their bio below. -miko > > >The BEAM Foundation is commisioning 2-4 new works for TrioMetrik. > >Composers should submit a CV and work examples by June 15, > 2006. Scope > >of the piece and fee structure will be tailored to each > applicant based > >upon experience and proclivities. Selections will be > announced July 7. > >Pieces due end of August. > > > >Compatibility with TrioMetrik's tools and esthetics is a > must. To this > >end two Colloquia are scheduled to familiarize composers with these > requirements: > > > >May 23rd 7 PM at BEAM Studios in Berkeley. (mail for directions) May > >24th 5 PM at CCRMA - Stanford Campus > > > >Examples of previous musical works from a recent performance and > >descriptions of the techolgies employed are available at > >www.beamfoundation.org . Abstract of > >talk > >follows: > > > >MACIAS -a new software application that intelligently > couples advanced > >instruments. >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > > > >Based on the concept of enhanced instruments coupled through an > >intelligent network, MACIAS is the sophisticated integration of live > >instruments that are extended beyond their original function with an > >advanced music program and interface system. MACIAS is a specialized > >network that receives, interprets, and operates on the > sounds, notes, > >gestures, and intentions of the musicians. The result is an > >interactive musical esthetic for the 21st century (named "NuRoque") > >that encourages complex structures and sonic adventure. > NuRoque takes > >its inspiration from the Baroque (Fr. for bizarre) > revolution that new > >instruments and esthetics caused in Europe in the 1600s. TrioMetrik > >(Ashley Adams, Marielle Jakobsons, and Keith McMillen) is the live > >performing group using these technologies. Paul Dresher has > called TrioMetrik "the modern > >composer's dream come true." Samples can be heard at > >www.triometrik.org . > > > >Keith McMillen describes MACIAS as a system in which "knowledge and > >control is distributed among the musicians and guided by the > >composition. Direction to the performers is conveyed > through an array > >of graphic windows on a display that replaces the > traditional score and > >music stand. The musician's gestures, the score, audio > processing, and > >other structures are permitted to interact with each other > in ways that > >lead to modifications in performance. The result is a > system designed > >to augment and control the compositional structure beyond notes and > >transitions. While these concepts have been explored individually, > >MACIAS represents the first time a refined and integrated > approach has > >been evenly and fully applied across all of the components that > >comprise a musical entity." It has taken the last 25 years > for Keith to > >build the enhanced instruments and refine MACIAS. > > > >The instruments and external devices are tied to a computer > running the > >program, a tuned assembly of over 200 individual screens and patches > >written in Max/MSP. When instantiated, MACIAS occupies more > than 125MB > >of program memory not including audio buffers or data. All the > >components of a piece are contained within a score that sets and > >continuously updates thousands of parameters during > performance. MACIAS > >executes the score and defines the timbres, harmonic and rhythmic > >structures, interaction trees, video selection and > manipulation, etc. > >It determines the capture of audio and musicians' gestures > and prompts > >the musicians to play at the correct times and either > suggests politely > >a motif or demands and enforces a rhythmic harmonicity and a > specific > >timbre. > > > >Composer Jay Cloidt, who has written for TrioMetrik, has > remarked that > >the MACIAS system is "a tremendously flexible composer's and > >performer's toolkit. Orson Welles once said, that a movie studio was > >'.the biggest electric train set a boy ever had.' I think > MACIAS just > >may be the modern composer's electric train set." > > > >Description and live demonstrations will illustrate the system's > >capabilities and lay a basic understanding of how one > composes in this > >style. The BEAM Foundation (the non-profit organization behind > >TrioMetrik, MACIAS and NuRoque > >www.beamfoundation.org > >) is actively commissioning pieces for the Trio. These > sessions will be an > >excellent introduction for interested composers. > > > > > >Keith McMillen > >Executive Director > >BEAM Foundation > >www.beamfoundation.org > >510.502.5310 > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic@music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 12:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5A293BEC1; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5KIYIGGXZTsKi2B71wnCo9YJ8ZRP5DdX31keDU3casUj1y/7Kv+NSzJTlOaxX2yOZt02d7CuBoyjXYc+5CMCJ0UJF5s6jf9Pj5Nng9XcYijzSepOwMUvHMY1bZcDtIvWTdZbvL8ht+L2wCldVB9uw3MrgjtEux7BrZlkcZ8ogH4= ; Message-ID: <20060517124820.84216.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Video Loops Uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605162128y125b035foa72f846ba81d450b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:48:21 +0000 (UTC) cool stuff rick purple pool thiN-g,but i had to use charlies link(thanks charlie)had to bust into my own purple stuff and watch the vids(damn shame) keep up the good work, scary Mcvisionary --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > i tried the link and got taken to my videos, which > are not your > videos, but i found yours at > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=looppool > > very cool! > > Charlie > > On 5/16/06, loop.pool wrote: > > I'm experimenting with lo fi video loops with my > terrible obsolete Radio > > Shack digital camera. > > > > I've uploaded three videos with the music I wrote > for them at youtube. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/my_videos > > > > I hope you enjoy them. > > > > They are for tracks I've been writing for my next > CD of Abstract Electronica > > (no live looping on this > > one except where I use live loops as a source > material which I do > > occasionally) > > called ORANGE. I'm hoping to have this released > by midsummer. > > > > rick walker > > aka Purple Hand (that's my abstract electronica > moniker) > > aka |()()p.p()()| (that's my live looping > moniker) > > aka nO thiN-g (that's my dark > noise/ambient/industrial project) > > > > > > ps I'm going to start a new project called Rick > Walker > > which means I'll have to sign on as > > > > Rick Walker > > aka Rick Walker (that's my extreme narcissism > project) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 12:59:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 239063BEA2; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gQnOm/iRPwmWQqXUCV6XyIr4bq9lHFRiJ9urRBqGQdiKaPWIhXuijBepGnLpqnEdONluBQt+4ieQ0wLZpD4XV0Gb4ZQ/2FvjYe9y4dmOJ79LPHxR5s04ULW7P1A9FiBUojEcgWuYkmVXBEfQsBCP3fbGiQSjxHhTPBL8MXM+tsc= ; Message-ID: <20060517125956.8425.qmail@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Max/Msp as a compositional tool.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007301c67946$61b102e0$e6b85545@Biffoz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:59:58 +0000 (UTC) wow...that is out of this world...beam me up! --- Miko Biffle wrote: > This posting from ba newmuse, posted by Bob Boster, > describes the group, > TrioMetrik's use of max/msp programming to guide > their compositions, and > seems like a great illustration of just how deeply > one can get in the > program. The posting is a call for works, if > anyone's interested, but goes > on to outline TrioMetrik's methodology in their bio > below. -miko > > >The BEAM Foundation is commisioning 2-4 new works > for TrioMetrik. > >Composers should submit a CV and work examples by > June 15, 2006. Scope of > >the piece and fee structure will be tailored to > each applicant based upon > >experience and proclivities. Selections will be > announced July 7. Pieces > >due end of August. > > > >Compatibility with TrioMetrik's tools and esthetics > is a must. To this end > >two Colloquia are scheduled to familiarize > composers with these > requirements: > > > >May 23rd 7 PM at BEAM Studios in Berkeley. (mail > for directions) > >May 24th 5 PM at CCRMA - Stanford Campus > > > >Examples of previous musical works from a recent > performance and > >descriptions of the techolgies employed are > available at > >www.beamfoundation.org > . Abstract of talk > >follows: > > > >MACIAS -a new software application that > intelligently couples advanced > >instruments. >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > > > >Based on the concept of enhanced instruments > coupled through an > >intelligent network, MACIAS is the sophisticated > integration of live > >instruments that are extended beyond their original > function with an > >advanced music program and interface system. MACIAS > is a specialized > >network that receives, interprets, and operates on > the sounds, notes, > >gestures, and intentions of the musicians. The > result is an interactive > >musical esthetic for the 21st century (named > "NuRoque") that encourages > >complex structures and sonic adventure. NuRoque > takes its inspiration from > >the Baroque (Fr. for bizarre) revolution that new > instruments and > >esthetics caused in Europe in the 1600s. > TrioMetrik (Ashley Adams, > >Marielle Jakobsons, and Keith McMillen) is the live > performing group using > >these technologies. Paul Dresher has called > TrioMetrik "the modern > >composer's dream come true." Samples can be heard > at > >www.triometrik.org . > > > >Keith McMillen describes MACIAS as a system in > which "knowledge and > >control is distributed among the musicians and > guided by the > >composition. Direction to the performers is > conveyed through an array of > >graphic windows on a display that replaces the > traditional score and music > >stand. The musician's gestures, the score, audio > processing, and other > >structures are permitted to interact with each > other in ways that lead to > >modifications in performance. The result is a > system designed to augment > >and control the compositional structure beyond > notes and transitions. > >While these concepts have been explored > individually, MACIAS represents > >the first time a refined and integrated approach > has been evenly and fully > >applied across all of the components that comprise > a musical entity." It > >has taken the last 25 years for Keith to build the > enhanced instruments > >and refine MACIAS. > > > >The instruments and external devices are tied to a > computer running the > >program, a tuned assembly of over 200 individual > screens and patches > >written in Max/MSP. When instantiated, MACIAS > occupies more than 125MB of > >program memory not including audio buffers or data. > All the components of > >a piece are contained within a score that sets and > continuously updates > >thousands of parameters during performance. MACIAS > executes the score and > >defines the timbres, harmonic and rhythmic > structures, interaction trees, > >video selection and manipulation, etc. It > determines the capture of audio > >and musicians' gestures and prompts the musicians > to play at the correct > >times and either suggests politely a motif or > demands and enforces a > >rhythmic harmonicity and a specific timbre. > > > >Composer Jay Cloidt, who has written for > TrioMetrik, has remarked that the > >MACIAS system is "a tremendously flexible > composer's and performer's > >toolkit. Orson Welles once said, that a movie > studio was '.the biggest > >electric train set a boy ever had.' I think MACIAS > just may be the modern > >composer's electric train set." > > > >Description and live demonstrations will illustrate > the system's > >capabilities and lay a basic understanding of how > one composes in this > >style. The BEAM Foundation (the non-profit > organization behind TrioMetrik, > >MACIAS and NuRoque > www.beamfoundation.org > >) is actively commissioning pieces for the Trio. > These sessions will be an > >excellent introduction for interested composers. > > > > > >Keith McMillen > >Executive Director > >BEAM Foundation > >www.beamfoundation.org > >510.502.5310 > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic@music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 13:06:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA42C3BEB5; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1147870944!4787684!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC922A@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampli ng/recording technique Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:02:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C679B2.22B4C650" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:06:36 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C679B2.22B4C650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" anybody else want a dvd of the bbc3 documentary about the workshop? I had a few takers last year...... duncan. -----Original Message----- From: gareth whittock [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 17 May 2006 07:19 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique Superb! I'll be playing this to my students as soon as... 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anybody else want a dvd of the bbc3 documentary about the= workshop? I had a few takers last year......
duncan.

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Superb!
I'll be playing this to my students as soon as...

Thanks Kris

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>I love this...
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> Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. &nb= sp; :)
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> Kris
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C679B2.22B4C650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 14:40:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24EDA3BEC1; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.71.11.48] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC922A@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:39:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C679C8.09427C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <57JYjB.A.BQC.2XzaEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:40:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C679C8.09427C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her = sampling/recording techniquePlease! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: RE: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her = sampling/recording technique anybody else want a dvd of the bbc3 documentary about the workshop? I = had a few takers last year......=20 duncan.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: gareth whittock [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk]=20 Sent: 17 May 2006 07:19=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her=20 sampling/recording technique=20 Superb!=20 I'll be playing this to my students as soon as...=20 Thanks Kris=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Krispen Hartung" =20 To: =20 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:53 AM=20 Subject: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her=20 sampling/recording technique=20 >I love this...=20 >=20 > = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dr99dSr-H978&search=3Ddelia%20derbyshire = >=20 > Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her = sampling/recording=20 > technique.=20 >=20 > Totallly looping....absolutely delightful. :)=20 >=20 > Kris=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C679C8.09427C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) = explains her sampling/recording technique
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anybody else want a dvd of the bbc3 documentary = about the=20 workshop? I had a few takers last year......
duncan.

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Superb!
I'll be playing = this to my=20 students as soon as...

Thanks Kris

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>I love this...
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 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C679C8.09427C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 15:20:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3FC3BEC2; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 17 May 2006 17:20:24 +0200 Message-ID: <43082.62.2.75.66.1147879224.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner" Reply-To: loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Max/Msp as a compositional tool.... User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) > If you're in the SF Bay Area and interested in MAX at all, you should > check out Keith's presentation. Keith is a brilliant (and super nice) guy, Keith McMillen also happens to be the guy who discovered Matthias Grob who was presenting the predecessor of the EDP (paradis LOOP delay) at the Frankfurter Musik Messe '93 which eventually led to the EDP. http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/loopdev.htm http://matthias.grob.org/pMusEng/Museng.htm http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/LoopDelay/paradis.html Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 16:03:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF2883BEB8; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 17 May 2006 18:03:46 +0200 Message-ID: <43505.62.2.75.66.1147881826.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner" Reply-To: loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Max/Msp as a compositional tool.... User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <43082.62.2.75.66.1147879224.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <000e01c679c7$382ec5c0$0302a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <000e01c679c7$382ec5c0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:03:51 +0000 (UTC) > Warren Sirota who happens to be the author of the first EDP manual! http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/Echoplex_Manual.pdf But if you have LoopIV installed you should use the new one (which mentions Warren as co-author along with Kim Flint): http://www.gibson.com/files/amps/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 16:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C273BEB2; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0eac01c679ce$66d3ac90$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Re: DESERT ISLAND VSTs: the 5 Gnarliest Sound Manglers in your Arsenal Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:24:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 563, in=300250, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Rick W. posted this on the Audio Plugin Junkies tribe. I thought I'd share my response.... You should join this tribe: http://tinyurl.com/r9zd3 Kris Re: DESERT ISLAND VSTs: the 5 Gnarliest Sound Manglers in your Arsenal Today, 9:19 AM I love this question!!! Here's my list. I can pretty much play any avant-gard or experimental show with these. - PSP 84 (amazing...great presets, powerful, etc) - Antares Filter (again, amazing...very deep...I haven't even explored all the possibilities yet) - Pluggo Feedback Network (I love this....can really do some wild things) - ArcDev Cyclotron - Crazy Ivan Others that I would consider are Pluggo Squirell Parade, PSP 42, Pluggo Weat/Rye, and MadShifta I buy Cycling 74 Hipno in a few days, so that could change my whole outlook on the above. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 16:29:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700FA3BEAC; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ebf01c679cf$06587750$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060515053210.E7F673BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060515091044.00f50630@tiscali.co.uk> <64b81a780605150825s76978c31l516af9f146649931@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RE: tube preamp VST plugin? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:29:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 565, in=304904, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) So far out of all the recommendations, I'm really loving Ruby Tube! Great tone, simple, doesn't take a lot of processing, etc. FreeAmp SE was alright, but I don't like the speaker configurations. They all sound too boxy or tubby, like a typical rocker 4X12 cab. The Gsuite of distoration pedals like the Tube Screamer, Boss pedals, etc...are cool, but very thin and frail in tone. It's like they degrade my initial signal rather than warming and beefing it up. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 16:48:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 998D93BEC1; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ctbQPWw0ncCSs5/EUlmGta5P8RtpoOWsaAHwSoZXH5Qaxctr1HBz8kj5cftEHLOPwWL1ZOgaQUT1OZmohI3XZfIzktz7lD/KWMHXZ9wjPfM34gtk4zn1wfxrAgNITaoI6rAQM99fC/j//0u6/OrVTSEWUFFzyI6kf4WhL7K0b1E= ; Message-ID: <20060517164821.5668.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:48:24 +0000 (UTC) --- Brian Good wrote: > Per, how stable has Live been as an AU host? I'm > building up a Macbook-based performance rig, and would like to use > Logic to have access to Sculpture. Unfortunately, I don't find > Logic stable enough for live performance, at least on my studio G5. If I can't speak for v5, but Digital Performer 4.6 seems pretty damn stable running Augustus loop and I've had good luck with Sooperlooper AU too. Maybe there's a demo on MOTU's site you could try. The new version comes bundled with a bunch of cool looking virtual instruments. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 18:40:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6EAE3BEB0; Wed, 17 May 2006 18:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=alxZ5/R8FXXMe4Vyeaa5lZshJy+Vw7HtTqGidGFxvTms5JzuhkQGJbNtZR/GZUpJLOwGp+u/Ti/Z0nWJARXi/r4j1wtp0FhwuIk5U78xu43RwUCiAc+6Gmo6N+X0PsQXGosqHc9WIgXffDrzKprt8rLAKEZNn6zSyyBDDs9pOSk= ; Message-ID: <20060517184015.75315.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Laptop looping... sync sank sunk... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <31Q8UB.A.B2.R42aEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi kids! Welcome to the trials of laptop looping show! Most of this was also posted on the sooperlooper list, so if you read it there you can stop now. I'm reposting it here because the problem I'm having seems dual platform with two of the most popular software loopers. OK, I tried this set up last night. Rather than try and tax my desktop G4, I ran Sooperlooper on the G4 1.25er I'm barrowing. 1 gig of ram and a pretty clean hard drive. M-Audio 410 firewire interface and a MOTU Fastlane MIDI USB converter. MIDI Passed through a FCB1010 to merge it with PC info. Couldn't get a loop to sync to the clock at all. What do you think is the problem? I had this exact same problem with trying to get Mobius to run on my girlfriend's Thinkpad. Now I had good luck running it from within Digital Performer but I didn't try to control it via MIDI. Perhaps I'll try it this weekend. Ultimately this is how I'd like to use it, but I'm at a loss at figuring out why it won't respond to my clock correctly. I've had no issues getting it to sync with a Repeater, an EDP and some basic sync with the Looperlative. Could it be that those devices are more tolerant of bad clock? I could try another merge box for the MIDI too. Has anyone else tried a similar setup and had this problem? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 18:45:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065523BEB8; Wed, 17 May 2006 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qxedz2xc9S6vQKx5UptMTtMdoDvjKCpkcpKb2jXomnQIBk78IQ4DK1CO8zqyKXj7agD+t9TgMwk4JoSZFMBlk2NciE/Y9unsjZG6i6llzy+WUnH0q1chGK+BoeVSYRQwvVN90AnbKDFvBcKc+GQT9vbFqfdA/+ny0ESx3oWxRFQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780605171145q721d0607ha2a97d01507533ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:45:01 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop looping... sync sank sunk... In-Reply-To: <20060517184015.75315.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_120731_4408724.1147891501567" References: <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> <20060517184015.75315.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_120731_4408724.1147891501567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline One problem may be the FCB1010 MIDI merge. It's notoriously flakey and it'= s recommended to not use it at all. Using a seperate MIDI merge box may solv= e your problem. Todd On 5/17/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > Hi kids! Welcome to the trials of laptop looping > show! Most of this was also posted on the > sooperlooper list, so if you read it there you can > stop now. I'm reposting it here because the problem > I'm having seems dual platform with two of the most > popular software loopers. > > OK, I tried this set up last night. > > Rather than try and tax my desktop G4, I ran > Sooperlooper on the G4 1.25er I'm barrowing. 1 gig of > ram and a pretty clean hard drive. M-Audio 410 > firewire interface and a MOTU Fastlane MIDI USB > converter. MIDI Passed through a FCB1010 to merge it > with PC info. > > Couldn't get a loop to sync to the clock at all. What > do you think is the problem? I had this exact same > problem with trying to get Mobius to run on my > girlfriend's Thinkpad. > > Now I had good luck running it from within Digital > Performer but I didn't try to control it via MIDI. > Perhaps I'll try it this weekend. Ultimately this is > how I'd like to use it, but I'm at a loss at figuring > out why it won't respond to my clock correctly. I've > had no issues getting it to sync with a Repeater, an > EDP and some basic sync with the Looperlative. Could > it be that those devices are more tolerant of bad > clock? I could try another merge box for the MIDI > too. Has anyone else tried a similar setup and had > this problem? > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------=_Part_120731_4408724.1147891501567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline One problem may be the FCB1010 MIDI merge.  It's notoriously flakey an= d it's recommended to not use it at all.  Using a seperate MIDI merge = box may solve your problem.

Todd


On 5/17/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrot= e:
Hi kids!  Welcome to the trials of laptop looping
show! &= nbsp;Most of this was also posted on the
sooperlooper list, so if you re= ad it there you can
stop now.  I'm reposting it here because t= he problem
I'm having seems dual platform with two of the most
popular software loopers.

OK, I tried this set up last night.
Rather than try and tax my desktop G4, I ran
Sooperlooper on the G4= 1.25er I'm barrowing.  1 gig of
ram and a pretty clean hard d= rive. M-Audio 410
firewire interface and a MOTU Fastlane MIDI USB
converter. MIDI Pass= ed through a FCB1010 to merge it
with PC info.

Couldn't get a loo= p to sync to the clock at all.  What
do you think is the probl= em?  I had this exact same
problem with trying to get Mobius to run on my
girlfriend's Thinkpad= .

Now I had good luck running it from within Digital
Performer bu= t I didn't try to control it via MIDI.
Perhaps I'll try it this weekend.=   Ultimately this is
how I'd like to use it, but I'm at a loss at figuring
out why it won= 't respond to my clock correctly.  I've
had no issues getting = it to sync with a Repeater, an
EDP and some basic sync with the Looperla= tive.  Could
it be that those devices are more tolerant of bad
clock?  = I could try another merge box for the MIDI
too.  Has anyone el= se tried a similar setup and had
this problem?

Mark

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------=_Part_120731_4408724.1147891501567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 19:10:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6E33BEC1; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Laptop looping... sync sank sunk... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071728@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060517184015.75315.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Laptop looping... sync sank sunk... Thread-Index: AcZ54Vkhr6ZBrEeUSze2rPoU2pWLOAAARQGQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:10:38 +0000 (UTC) > From: mark sottilaro=20 > > Couldn't get a loop to sync to the clock at all. What do you=20 > think is the problem? I had this exact same problem with=20 > trying to get Mobius to run on my girlfriend's Thinkpad. The hardware looks fine, with the possible exception of running the clock through the FCB. Try sending the clock directly to the looper or using a different merge device. Mobius will try to smooth the clock but if it is wildly erratic, it may start retriggering excessively in an attempt to stay in sync. What is generating the clock? If it is sending out Start, Stop or Continue events in addition to clocks this may cause the looper to reset where it thinks the start of the loop should be and make an unexpected correction. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 19:56:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 870B53BEB9; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GUdVriNJMLxhgy2LE7Qb2KpiZ+oSJIWkEAeWiPbfUvdxUIdWrz+ZmKEhGLFTawPIvns7jvTWgOfg+y41owPnuVKVLrFdNGNgQ9VIcfM0zPaz0NwQXytV5mmB8C6PX8CCXpKPCczjnz+89yl747rJdUwSaRr7LeUaATX6d93FNFI= ; Message-ID: <20060517195624.59554.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Laptop looping... sync sank sunk... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071728@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:56:26 +0000 (UTC) --- jeff larson wrote: > What is generating the clock? If it is sending out > Start, Stop or Continue events in addition to clocks this may > cause the looper to reset where it thinks the start of the > loop should be and make an unexpected correction. That's a good point. Digital Performer 4.6 is generating the clock. It does send "start stop and continue" information, but the sequence was long and what I was trying to do was happening well after any of those events happened. I will try it again sans FCB1010 which may be the culpret. Thanks a lot to everyone for the help. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 20:39:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37FF53BEAF; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CpQlTyzvmNVNmZSsplKT97EAQEnGSWQ4efumy4EQnet7rSHP2LID3kW/5fvpiACpCv31aC9H7Y42RqhdXQKwcz51Mt/80iuIPAWABwhkOutH3RrJz0NQ6vJdnxF5mMMPMSSmvrqfUfulSC1u6nfM9XDZP88/5nNOO1/tihM8bpI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780605171145q721d0607ha2a97d01507533ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <446A8184.2060506@adelphia.net> <20060517184015.75315.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780605171145q721d0607ha2a97d01507533ec@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <491837DA-0F49-4BC0-9121-E4C34EF5F1B3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop looping... sync sank sunk... Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:39:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:39:46 +0000 (UTC) On 17 maj 2006, at 20.45, Todd Pafford wrote: > One problem may be the FCB1010 MIDI merge. It's notoriously flakey > and it's recommended to not use it at all. Using a seperate MIDI > merge box may solve your problem. > > Todd Hmm.. good point, Todd. I recently had some sync problems with Logic. I will examine the FCB's role closer by doing the same sync project with a MIDI merge box instead of the FCB. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 20:41:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9D43BECC; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KNIXqxduUAxc1h4emLVdhS4B46PBC4i9v9bX/CavZvSsRPV8Jcu73g00mDtSFMChidSAXtMbnMvRzI2/K3kI4Ux7Ii3VPyBhmcE+hYHSnfaRKRxL5b5Fi/Yw8OS/Aa/laOAEdsAaHbQPn2/2xwz1gtuhoqaeySe4UcIhWFjtsM4= ; Message-ID: <20060517204148.17316.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: pedalboard pedophiles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <491837DA-0F49-4BC0-9121-E4C34EF5F1B3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8sToR.A.xzG.Nq4aEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:41:50 +0000 (UTC) wow anybody using one of this: http://www.trailertrashpedalboards.com/gallery.htm cheers Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 20:45:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A249E3BEC2; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KwAo/3mNN5pq2lEFk+eOM5+4kFK+9fibvlKND8HkoRSFT5a0u9EJdeW46YgZm9822bJeXKPbRbxlluZUH5NLQL+7DCh+l+e61ml0vHPKUwC6WDiZVsd7w235gCvaVXvxwn+DPliWjI6CRs5PyTqUuBqJe9m0gx7WU7t6xJZPRD4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060517204148.17316.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060517204148.17316.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pedalboard pedophiles Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:45:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <5jkKa.A.ZDH.4t4aEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:45:44 +0000 (UTC) On 17 maj 2006, at 22.41, L.A. Angulo wrote: > wow anybody using one of this: > http://www.trailertrashpedalboards.com/gallery.htm noop. laptop. per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 17 21:35:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECFB23BECA; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WolQFZoqn1TFJFJ1liGSP/kVA55z5kdhfry7h3kD2If+LRUBXib09iQNwy6ckzmAQEzIt2a0PA6SOYSmy+OGXLC7anG9Nn9WqlsdinG6tj0iJeZTPmaFmMexwHPZ0fvo/6mbDEQMQP6yQJhEACi9Mw38u1XmtYieo+aODG313b0= Message-ID: <913728d60605171434t90ec9dfi4d943e2bef4ba709@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:34:54 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedalboard pedophiles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060517204148.17316.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2ybm-C.A.mJD.Vc5aEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:35:17 +0000 (UTC) That backlit pedalboard looks cool, but i wonder how it'd work on a dark stage...to me, i think of photography where if the light behind the subject is too bright, then you won't see the subject very well...granted most people probably memorize the placement of their pedalboard, so its a moot point, but the colors are cool :) Charlie On 5/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 17 maj 2006, at 22.41, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > wow anybody using one of this: > > http://www.trailertrashpedalboards.com/gallery.htm > > noop. laptop. > > per ;-) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 01:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3FAB3BEA9; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446BC9C6.6010707@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:11:34 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions) References: <20060517164821.5668.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060517164821.5668.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4IdFVB.A.FnE.Mn8aEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 01:11:40 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Brian Good wrote: > > >>Per, how stable has Live been as an AU host? I'm >>building up a Macbook-based performance rig, and > > would like to use > >>Logic to have access to Sculpture. Unfortunately, I > > don't find > >>Logic stable enough for live performance, at least > > on my studio G5. If > > I can't speak for v5, but Digital Performer 4.6 seems > pretty damn stable running Augustus loop and I've had > good luck with Sooperlooper AU too. Maybe there's a > demo on MOTU's site you could try. The new version > comes bundled with a bunch of cool looking virtual > instruments. > > Mark Thanks for the info, Mark. I have DP as well as Logic, but the rig is going to be Macbook-based, and DP hasn't been Intelified yet. I'll certainly try that when it's available, and my situation isn't super urgent. I don't really need it all working until Different Skies in September. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 05:15:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04F53BEC7; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S/P1jSRaOGaFMwfqU+s1QQCyVmH/JoDElubSYNm5jiMiT19x0uHchqWrw53Zf9bDcUVj2spxiOfLCjqCqWcjQE16cGA4uVo6gn1EOGKR+DUhcy0adc/fog2dQpy1FV2GjWheqAW9rOLfOBNPY52Wb6vD+R+cidVVZppKNSLZjNg= ; Message-ID: <20060518051532.48099.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: pedalboard pedophiles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605171434t90ec9dfi4d943e2bef4ba709@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 05:15:33 +0000 (UTC) yes,pretty cool only the thing is more expensive that probably your vintage boutique pedals! --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > That backlit pedalboard looks cool, but i wonder how > it'd work on a > dark stage...to me, i think of photography where if > the light behind > the subject is too bright, then you won't see the > subject very > well...granted most people probably memorize the > placement of their > pedalboard, so its a moot point, but the colors are > cool :) > > > Charlie > > On 5/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 17 maj 2006, at 22.41, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > > wow anybody using one of this: > > > > http://www.trailertrashpedalboards.com/gallery.htm > > > > noop. laptop. > > > > per ;-) > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 13:32:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9603BEB9; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:32:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Maneco??? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1064163347==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:32:17 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1064163347==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Have they moved their website, or are they defunct? http://manecolooper.tripod.com/maneco/ -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1064163347==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Maneco???
Have they moved their website, or are they defunct?

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--============_-1064163347==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 13:40:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68CB23BECC; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:40:10 GMT X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Delia (BBC Radiophonic Workshop - 1960's) explains her sampling/recording technique X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: References: <0c1b01c678a4$9cfa8030$acb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--47ec8e8d1db1655b7c0a" Resent-Message-ID: <28_4CD.A.doD.7kHbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:40:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----47ec8e8d1db1655b7c0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit undefined ----47ec8e8d1db1655b7c0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh-oh. It looks like they took Delia away.

Mark Smart
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 ----47ec8e8d1db1655b7c0a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 13:54:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4E03BEC1; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c67a82$a1e870e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: new ambient/looping podcast Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:54:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2006 13:52:52.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B637660:01C67A82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:54:58 +0000 (UTC) I like the way you make music. I think that your music is very good for film. Congrats ! ....And I'm agree with Per about how interesting is the podcast. I think i'll work with a podcast of mine. All the best Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: new ambient/looping podcast > See > > http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html > > Launching with a 10 minute guitar/laptop improvisation, using Ableton > Live and Augustus Loop. > > Feedback most welcome! > > > cheers, > os. > > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 14:38:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7D563BEC7; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,142,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="1141287711:sNHT30468990" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <003c01c67a82$a1e870e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <003c01c67a82$a1e870e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23-4791548 Message-Id: <14accf523d06c279d81f2d393920dfa7@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: new ambient/looping podcast Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:39:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:38:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-23-4791548 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'll second that. Very nice morning listening -- and the first =20 "podcast" that I've ever actually listened to. pax tEd =AE kiLLiAn On May 18, 2006, at 6:54 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > I like the way you make music. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:18 PM > Subject: new ambient/looping podcast > >> See >> http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html >> Launching with a 10 minute guitar/laptop improvisation, using Ableton = =20 >> Live and Augustus Loop. >> Feedback most welcome! >> cheers, >> os. >> os@collective.co.uk >> http://www.collective.co.uk/ "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-23-4791548 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll second that. Very nice morning listening -- and the first "podcast" that I've ever actually listened to. pax=20 tEd =AE kiLLiAn On May 18, 2006, at 6:54 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: I like the way you make music. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" < To: < Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: new ambient/looping podcast See http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom/podcast.html Launching with a 10 minute guitar/laptop improvisation, using Ableton=20 Live and Augustus Loop. Feedback most welcome! cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-23-4791548-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 14:48:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5178E3BED6; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LQZ1LVdP66FPLDLHdLHBpKTdXXG9HfP9qpuGDaAERNorH299Ru9gXC572SeOPLfdBDhTB409sASVaumXJQSvYk2rzFhT1uje56ifU/cKJz0i+Ss6KhboK4jgZv03oFP7vHEPR3FM4hJ9Ju+d8qI752X78eoLwyFR0r4dCbrv2dk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <14accf523d06c279d81f2d393920dfa7@charter.net> References: <003c01c67a82$a1e870e0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <14accf523d06c279d81f2d393920dfa7@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <43FB6278-5D08-4558-859D-4004A9D852A9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new ambient/looping podcast Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:48:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <5O-2dD.A.ed.YlIbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:48:57 +0000 (UTC) On 18 maj 2006, at 16.39, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > and the first "podcast" that I've ever actually listened to One of my favorites is the podcast at http://www.spacemusic.nl/. =20 Especially the episodes labeled "Lucid dreams..." something, are =20 excellent IMHO. And I also like Pat Matheney's podcast because he is =20 also speaking about his band and the music through the years. Another =20= fav is "Ugly Music For Beautiful People". I'm sorry I can't give any =20 URL links right now because my FW drive with the iTunes library is =20 down. I have files backed up on the iPod and some DVD's but not the =20 ever changing podcast subscription index. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 15:03:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36D603BECF; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ScFt1+rAlpiWfef464aNAk+ZSC89EwQl3viBawuhp3R0RRyP29sQ52pychWt1chDNAHcBJHOGju0nPXFQ885+wwKmRH/9cppd5ZSjJm8kHuwcWCoMJYOkr8FN2zFkvY+sumgrgoohgplsghd63iT3KZk5wYdBCFDFFy3/Hz+k2s= ; Message-ID: <20060518150303.47263.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: mixer board suggestions To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1562233909-1147964583=:44232" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0WEbLB.A.4pB.uyIbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:03:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-1562233909-1147964583=:44232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for suggestions or opinions on a 6 channel mixer. In light of recent discussions, I'll state that I'm looking for a "real" one - I ain't got no laptop. Because the intended use for this is for one (or several) instruments to have their signal split into multiple channels (and then effected/mangled etc) , I'm looking for a mixer that doesn't double-up on inputs. (Never having owned a mixer, this is an assumption; if I can run two separate channels into a doubled-up channel and able to control them individually, let me know.) My other concerns keeping it small, keeping it cheap, and something that can drive a PA. Because they're cheap, I've looked at Berhringer. But since I'm looking for 6 separate, non-doubled inputs, I'd need to get their Eurorack with 12 channels. This is the front-runner so far as it's less than 12"X12" in size and is listed at $120 Canuck-bucks but having 12 tracks does seem to a bit of over-kill. (But then again, so does paying more than $120 for fewer channels...) ted harms. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1562233909-1147964583=:44232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm looking for suggestions or opinions on a 6 channel mixer.  In light of recent discussions, I'll state that I'm looking for a "real" one - I ain't got no laptop.
 
Because the intended use for this is for one (or several) instruments to have their signal split into multiple channels (and then effected/mangled etc) , I'm looking for a mixer that doesn't double-up on inputs.
 
(Never having owned a mixer, this is an assumption; if I can run two separate channels into a doubled-up channel and able to control them individually, let me know.)
 
My other concerns keeping it small, keeping it cheap, and something that can drive a PA.
 
Because they're cheap, I've looked at Berhringer.  But since I'm looking for 6 separate, non-doubled inputs, I'd need to get their Eurorack with 12 channels.  This is the front-runner so far as it's less than 12"X12" in size and is listed at $120 Canuck-bucks but having 12 tracks does seem to a bit of over-kill.  (But then again, so does paying more than $120 for fewer channels...)
 
 
ted harms.

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1562233909-1147964583=:44232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 15:12:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719A03BED3; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060518111222.fwn34o5i6sgkss4o@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:12:22 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maneco??? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) I've given up with them. Their product REALLY looked like something I wanted but after a barrage of attempts and never getting a response I figured forget it. ~peace~ Michael Quoting Charles Zwicky : > Have they moved their website, or are they defunct? > > http://manecolooper.tripod.com/maneco/ > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 15:27:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BDF93BECA; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060518111222.fwn34o5i6sgkss4o@www.michaelplishka.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EHX 2290 pricing Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:27:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2006 15:27:37.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[97DE0620:01C67A8F] Resent-Message-ID: <_AYbeC.A.hpC.qJJbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Just was curious what folks have been paying for the 2280.... I've been seeing $500 but music123.com had one for 100 less. Maybe a typo? Cheers Lou >From: mike@michaelplishka.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Maneco??? >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:12:22 -0400 > >I've given up with them. Their product REALLY looked like something I >wanted >but after a barrage of attempts and never getting a response I figured >forget >it. > >~peace~ > >Michael > >Quoting Charles Zwicky : > >>Have they moved their website, or are they defunct? >> >>http://manecolooper.tripod.com/maneco/ >> >> >>-- >>... >>http://www.zmix.net > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 15:32:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFBC73BEDB; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o1Y57cl/pJsx4OcCYlLTtfaOqs+WbbkM6kvkAkVRfUlKz+4rGGr18WZ9aqaL83S0wKKdMyILEDDBiK2yexgf9xYoeu60u1nDOW50gS/ankOGQ4FrcsFY5ePSVdrWlognKnLRoUTQsptPUf3LZKFzBDq5pKopfMZksFxaFO1rhss= Message-ID: <613c528b0605180832m232cb84eud4030ee9d92f31fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:32:21 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 2290 pricing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060518111222.fwn34o5i6sgkss4o@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2FfQtC.A.R5C.HOJbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Probably just competing with the to-be-released-any-time-now RC-50... On 5/18/06, Louis Rossi wrote: > Just was curious what folks have been paying for the 2280.... I've been > seeing $500 but music123.com had one for 100 less. Maybe a typo? > > Cheers > Lou From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 15:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDCBA3BED8; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=COp0zSEhgc+AoHIK9GJTDI+kCxWBjqosekTqavQEy5gOTFHRv8Ih5yyGgipJDs/ahbCTxu8Jg+bA+RQ1Lx8oLUYZs5fhEz6ltSqQISYyVRPBAVg8VdFGW7PySHYYS9U6hDYXsiUtCMaZXME+MXNCbOBJ5onT2QSBswNkHOTCZHU= ; Message-ID: <20060518154439.28947.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:44:39 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: The unanswered questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-623677379-1147967079=:28896" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-623677379-1147967079=:28896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jon Hassell askes -what are your answers. best regards of Rune F http://www.runefagereng.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3 www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-623677379-1147967079=:28896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Jon Hassell askes -what are your answers.
 
best regards of Rune F 
 


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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-623677379-1147967079=:28896-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 16:12:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3141D3BECD; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001701c67a95$d472ffe0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060518150303.47263.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:12:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) I've not had a problem with my Mackie 1202-VLZ for over six years now, but it has 4-single and 4-double inputs. The 1402-VLZ Pro will do what you want input wise, at least. http://www.mackie.com/products/1402vlzpro/ HTH. ----- Original Message ----- From: ditch wrestler To: Loopers Delight Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2006 16:03 PM Subject: mixer board suggestions I'm looking for suggestions or opinions on a 6 channel mixer. In light of recent discussions, I'll state that I'm looking for a "real" one - I ain't got no laptop. Because the intended use for this is for one (or several) instruments to have their signal split into multiple channels (and then effected/mangled etc) , I'm looking for a mixer that doesn't double-up on inputs. (Never having owned a mixer, this is an assumption; if I can run two separate channels into a doubled-up channel and able to control them individually, let me know.) My other concerns keeping it small, keeping it cheap, and something that can drive a PA. Because they're cheap, I've looked at Berhringer. But since I'm looking for 6 separate, non-doubled inputs, I'd need to get their Eurorack with 12 channels. This is the front-runner so far as it's less than 12"X12" in size and is listed at $120 Canuck-bucks but having 12 tracks does seem to a bit of over-kill. (But then again, so does paying more than $120 for fewer channels...) ted harms. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 16:45:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E01DA3BEB8; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AwGnDYs4chs8sEZ6F5vTAaqIn0WxYt0CrdVnqhrKuIFUT5t0ViJ9ieXfKj9Cqs6u0gy52mqvFDtEsL3qH9hQ/y9tclbeik3xbgQkAELdHclR6RtqjkBeB2k9L2+UhYTWTmgogaJS8mO/cYmDx76M1mmmxUUOvKZtc3SgJFKqkoM= ; Message-ID: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <446BC9C6.6010707@adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6GSTJ.A.gXG.bSKbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Here's yet another question... Windows XP Home, Media Center or Pro? There's quite a bit of price difference but I wonder if it will effect me in any way. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 16:58:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9403BEC1; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcJ1AClBbESBSodHAQEdDQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060518175427.01afedf0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:58:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060518154443.671843BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060518154443.671843BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) >I'm looking for suggestions or opinions on a 6 channel mixer. In >light of recent discussions, I'll state that I'm looking for a >"real" one - I ain't got no laptop. > >Because the intended use for this is for one (or several) >instruments to have their signal split into multiple channels (and >then effected/mangled etc) , I'm looking for a mixer that doesn't >double-up on inputs. Behringer Ultralink MX882 6 mono Ch ...& one stereo mixes to stereo XLR I rack space no tone controls andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C5A3BEC7; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:03:24 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c67a9c$f982e5f0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 72.24.12.101 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:03:34 +0000 (UTC) I'd go with XP Pro. It's a bit more stable in my opinion. I have Pro on my new notebook, and Home on my older notebook. Kris -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Here's yet another question... Windows XP Home, Media Center or Pro? There's quite a bit of price difference but I wonder if it will effect me in any way. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:09:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06AC13BED5; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3405.128.193.37.212.1147972151.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060518175427.01afedf0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060518154443.671843BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060518175427.01afedf0@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <3iQwQB.A.oL.5oKbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote: > Behringer Ultralink > MX882 > > 6 mono Ch > ...& one stereo > > mixes to stereo XLR > > I rack space > > no tone controls All the inputs and outputs on the Ultralink are fully balanced (XLR or TRS jacks). How do you run a guitar signal into it? Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B85D33BED0; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UXsKeg4bG9h9VnrcY91HxurtoXyn2oOWeRoDE9b3IWMyDaP8vy74vt4OlWc6eA67GfPCE1oRpT7PnFwoWJr673lXplPv4HJlrBu1TGRnKFUpPqhc3t6IfGSxQawBXQ4o+uodm2TaShQr9O9w7B2t05EwwJDkBEe0yL6fKz2tf40= Message-ID: <64b81a780605181025o65db8e80tb71bc1f6d2fef65a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:25:04 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) In-Reply-To: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_141441_2828597.1147973104075" References: <446BC9C6.6010707@adelphia.net> <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7oN2tC.A.NEB.x3KbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:25:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_141441_2828597.1147973104075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Google is your friend. Check out these discussions comparing XP Home & Pro. I wouldn't bother with Media Center since as far as I can tell, it just adds apps to use the machine as a music/movie jukebox. Home vs. Pro: After looking at those, it should be clear whether you need Pro or not. Basically, if you've got a multi-processor machine you need Pro. If you want to run with encrypted file systems, you need Pro. If you need remote administration of the box, then you'll need Pro. As an audio box, I'd guess you don't need any features that are in XP Pro except maybe the multi-processor support. (It looks like the Intel Core Du= o Macs don't count as two processors even though there's technically two core= s in the chip. They don't require SMP support and will therefore work with X= P Home.) And, of course, with any Windows install, first order of business must be t= o download & install the service packs. Finally, here are some excellent tips for tuning XP for music apps: Hope this helps, Todd On 5/18/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > Here's yet another question... > > Windows XP Home, Media Center or Pro? There's quite a > bit of price difference but I wonder if it will effect > me in any way. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------=_Part_141441_2828597.1147973104075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Google is your friend.  Check out these discussions comparing XP Home = & Pro.  I wouldn't bother with Media Center since as far as I can = tell, it just adds apps to use the machine as a music/movie jukebox.
Home vs. Pro:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx&= gt;
< http://arstechnica.com/tweak/win2k/xp-versions-1.html>
<http://ww= w.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp>
< http://www.awprofessional.com/articles/article.asp?p=3D24963&rl=3D1= >

After looking at those, it should be clear whether you need Pro= or not.  Basically, if you've got a multi-processor machine you need = Pro.  If you want to run with encrypted file systems, you need Pro.&nb= sp; If you need remote administration of the box, then you'll need Pro.

As an audio box, I'd guess you don't need any features that are in = XP Pro except maybe the multi-processor support.  (It looks like the I= ntel Core Duo Macs don't count as two processors even though there's techni= cally two cores in the chip.  They don't require SMP support and will = therefore work with XP Home.)

And, of course, with any Windows install, first order of business m= ust be to download & install the service packs.

Finally, here ar= e some excellent tips for tuning XP for music apps:
< http://www.musicxp.net/index.php>

Hope this helps,
Todd


On 5/18/06, mark sottilaro < zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here's yet another question...

Window= s XP Home, Media Center or Pro?  There's quite a
bit of price difference but I wonder if it will effect
me in any way= .

Mark

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------=_Part_141441_2828597.1147973104075-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:29:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C0273BECD; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446CAED1.3060800@knology.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:28:49 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) References: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) From what I've learned, the big difference between Pro and Home is in the networking facilities. Almost every single resource I've found says that for a system specifically tasked to music, Home is more then sufficient. And, I have yet to talk with anyone in the tech side of the computer business who likes Media. Waaaaay too unstable. Still working on this myself. I'm about to make a decision on a laptop, already decided on software. I'm leaning toward an Alienware Area 51 m5500 Pent M 2.0g / 2g DDR2 / 100g HD at 7200rpm. I'm definitely going for Ableton Live 5 and Steinberg's Studio Case II package. I'll stick with the Indigo i/o initially, then upgrade to an E-mu 1616m. I fought with the Mac/PC question for a long time and am still a bit torn. But, the info from Ableton's speed test last year (thanks, Per) tipped the scales. dm -- www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery -------------------- www.getcoffeecup.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3C0B3BED2; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B5PwaaPN53YurDivo6G36mN2/H1WziohX0hg1fKu1MIYJiZ8vi8Nr91t5FCs87dEtyswaU7pXpdaAWq5MGynGGRgXpO3gKfOyP9prRxPFYZWjJOIGNdFz4amWV5vpY4PBH1kvxEBk0+NgIdQi7pTLGyJXLLQPvdREzZBClOpGh0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605181030j52dee966nf86c18ecb949b777@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:30:15 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) In-Reply-To: <001f01c67a9c$f982e5f0$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001f01c67a9c$f982e5f0$6a01a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:30:21 +0000 (UTC) I can't see any reason to get XP pro unless you want to join your computer to a domain. Both home and pro are based on the NT windows family. I've got a lab full of machines with xp pro and 2000 pro, and xp is superior in almost every way, but I don't notice any more stability in xp pro vs. xp home, I've got a couple machines running home at, erm, home. --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6613BED2; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:48:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071768@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Thread-Index: AcZ6mnE/hhSGmCXlTACg/g+Cf5noPwACKNpw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:48:10 +0000 (UTC) I agree with the previous posters that you don't need Pro for a single user laptop that won't be on a corporate network. Media Center basically adds software that can overlay the normal user interface with a simpler one designed for navigaion and selection of audio files, video files, and DVD playing from a distance using a remote control. It also has rudimentary DVR capabilities (recording shows off cable). It is similar to "Front Row" on the Mac. It's kind of cool, but unless you want the PC in your living room as an "entertainment hub" you may not find it that useful. This site has an overview: =20 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/evaluation/hardware.mspx Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 17:54:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895183BEDE; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Amp Simulator VSTs Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:54:37 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c67aa4$24abc560$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C67A71.DA115560" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <14accf523d06c279d81f2d393920dfa7@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.12.101 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:54:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C67A71.DA115560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I zipped up all the amp or distortion pedal VSTs I found and put them here: http://www.box.net/public/cyv9xr3x38 Includes: FreeAmp SE RubyTube TubeBaby Voxengo Tube Amp Boss DS-1 Boss SD-1 Guru (Preamp, Unmatched, etc) Helian CP75 and FS12 Cortex G-Amp series (Lite, Phat, Classic) JCM900 OldCab PS-1 Renef Twin Tube Screamer Sube_S_01 Univibe Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C67A71.DA115560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C67A71.DA115560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 18:20:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D97B3BEB8; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1087.128.193.37.212.1147976425.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <3405.128.193.37.212.1147972151.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <20060518154443.671843BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060518175427.01afedf0@tiscali.co.uk> <3405.128.193.37.212.1147972151.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:20:28 +0000 (UTC) > Andy wrote: >> Behringer Ultralink >> MX882 > > All the inputs and outputs on the Ultralink are fully balanced (XLR or TRS > jacks). How do you run a guitar signal into it? ...without using a DI, I mean. If you have to use a DI then does the Ultralink have phantom power? Would you have to run a DI for each unbalanced signal? Thanks, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 18:24:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9295C3BED6; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=paKNlqQhkS5/0fAFBJKB/ZvQvMkd4KlQLzyp+UEqptC7MXxHCRdvGhjAIYwy3p/kwvujZmn2MwQKIddXIlnQzcwfYubCWzDXfeJovwboSq4gGmPfArikXp1UhCiyCST1bD45vVtKJlLY1t9KqrTYYgTQZhkpuKmx0l21aOkSIUQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605181124q6fa28f64jba03cebffdbe168d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:24:37 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: khartung@cableone.net Subject: Re: Amp Simulator VSTs Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002201c67aa4$24abc560$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <14accf523d06c279d81f2d393920dfa7@charter.net> <002201c67aa4$24abc560$6a01a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Very cool--Thanks! --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 18:25:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02733BEE2; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3405.128.193.37.212.1147972151.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <20060518154443.671843BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060518175427.01afedf0@tiscali.co.uk> <3405.128.193.37.212.1147972151.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-18284042 Message-Id: <8dc1f2c260f75dab8633fdcf1cf1be3c@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions D8B Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:24:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3Z4At.A.7tF._vLbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:25:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-18284042 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed A friend (in Florida) is selling his Mackie D8B. They're wonderful mixers... . and they digitize (convert) your material. All automated, nice sounding compression and EQ and effects built in. I recently finished my daughter's CD using one (only outboard for mixing was a Lexicon 200 and Roland Dimension D!) and I've gotten great reviews from folks who've heard it all. Some 'knowledgable" folks say the AD/DA converters ain't so hot. Well, "It's the best sounding unmastered CD I've ever heard!" My daughter's manager said that... and he has worked with very big name artists and hears dozens of demos and finished CDs a day. "Very rich sound" A&R folks, Universal Music. We did use a Lavry 4496 AD for the output... which was kind of cheating. But the sound had to be there in the first place for the Lavry to capture! I don't know what Irwin is asking for his but they can be had for pretty cheap considering what they do. I saw one on ebay where the seller was trying to get $1500 U.S. bucks and got NO bidders. Blows my mind. Metallica STILL uses one for their monitor mixes live. They say it's so they can go from stadium to stadium and never have to worry about their monitor mix - it's ALWAYS there. When new they cost around $10,000 USD. The only bomb is they don't do 88.2, 96, 192 etc. 12 mic in/phantom 24 line in (all converted to 44.1 or 48 digital) 24 digital returns 24 internal effects returns more stuff I'm forgetting Very hard to beat. But it's kind of BIG! If you're interested I'll give you Irwin's email address. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-May-06, at 10:09 AM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Andy wrote: >> Behringer Ultralink >> MX882 >> >> 6 mono Ch >> ...& one stereo >> >> mixes to stereo XLR >> >> I rack space >> >> no tone controls > > All the inputs and outputs on the Ultralink are fully balanced (XLR or > TRS > jacks). How do you run a guitar signal into it? > > Cheers, > Kevin > --Apple-Mail-2-18284042 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII GadgetA friend (in Florida) is selling his Mackie D8B. They're wonderful mixers... . and they digitize (convert) your material. All automated, nice sounding compression and EQ and effects built in. I recently finished my daughter's CD using one (only outboard for mixing was a Lexicon 200 and Roland Dimension D!) and I've gotten great reviews from folks who've heard it all. Some 'knowledgable" folks say the AD/DA converters ain't so hot. Well, "It's the best sounding unmastered CD I've ever heard!" My daughter's manager said that... and he has worked with very big name artists and hears dozens of demos and finished CDs a day. "Very rich sound" A&R folks, Universal Music. We did use a Lavry 4496 AD for the output... which was kind of cheating. But the sound had to be there in the first place for the Lavry to capture! I don't know what Irwin is asking for his but they can be had for pretty cheap considering what they do. I saw one on ebay where the seller was trying to get $1500 U.S. bucks and got NO bidders. Blows my mind. Metallica STILL uses one for their monitor mixes live. They say it's so they can go from stadium to stadium and never have to worry about their monitor mix - it's ALWAYS there. When new they cost around $10,000 USD. The only bomb is they don't do 88.2, 96, 192 etc. 12 mic in/phantom 24 line in (all converted to 44.1 or 48 digital) 24 digital returns 24 internal effects returns more stuff I'm forgetting Very hard to beat. But it's kind of BIG! If you're interested I'll give you Irwin's email address. richard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-May-06, at 10:09 AM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: Andy wrote: Behringer Ultralink MX882 6 mono Ch ...& one stereo mixes to stereo XLR I rack space no tone controls All the inputs and outputs on the Ultralink are fully balanced (XLR or TRS jacks). How do you run a guitar signal into it? Cheers, Kevin --Apple-Mail-2-18284042-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 18:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 803503BEE0; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012c01c67aa8$c717fbd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060518164514.72142.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:27:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:28:00 +0000 (UTC) I'd use XP Pro, bub. Media Center is what you'd put on a machine that was part of your home entertainment system, and thus recording or playing media files, feeds, or discs on what I suspect is mostly a consumer level. We're using XP Pro here and haven't really had too much trouble, even less since upgrading the machines we use here: AMD Athlon XP 2700+ (with a 1MB L2 cache) 2GB DDR400 RAM Western Digital WD2500 SATAII (250GB) MSI K8N Diamond mobo, with as-yet-undelivered Bluetooth module Sapphire Radeon X800 GTO FireBlade (PCI-E 256MB) graphics card CoolerMaster Centurion 534 case CoolerMaster 'Real Power' 450W power supply Cooling is done relatively quietly with a combination of fans: the PS has its own low-noise fan, there are two in the front lower bay of the case, the graphics card has a nice fan that sends it out the back of the machine, the chipset has its own fan, and I put a Gigabyte 3D Cooler module on top of the CPU. I'm surprised it's as quiet as it is but the highest temperature that occurs anywhere in the box is 47C/124F. The MSI motherboard has Creative's 24-bit SBLive onboard, and its operation so far has been flawless. And there are two LiteOn DVD-RW drives, one with the LightScribe stuff (an interesting perk). I initially got a pair of Mitsumi multi-media/floppy drives but they were faulty... and so I'm now searching for an external USB device to serve this purpose. And of course right after I'd finished the machines and wanted to plug in all my equipment and wham away, I proceeded to crush the end of my left middle finger between a pair of heavy flagstones, which of course split it open like a crushed grape. Luckily I escaped a direct-center impact, which would have eliminated the end of my main guitar finger, Jerry Garcia style - but it's going to be another couple of weeks before I dare to play again. As a result I don't think I've been so on fire to play since the brief period at college without my guitar...! I've decided this is a good thing, kind of. But I digress. XP Pro! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2006 17:45 PM Subject: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) > Here's yet another question... > > Windows XP Home, Media Center or Pro? There's quite a > bit of price difference but I wonder if it will effect > me in any way. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 18:30:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C233BEE0; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:30:00 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c67aa9$15786030$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C67A76.CADDF030" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <64b81a780605181053m27fc2907o5085ff5379d3a3f2@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: *******: 7.500000 Content: cid=42(2.5) =2.5,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Aspam=3.0 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -combination +intel -focusing -expert -vote +roaming -curious -dramatically -omaha X-Aspam: URLS scored 3.0 wininformant.com winsupersite.com winnetmag.com requests. X-Aspam: Best match was sample d:\bad\1174219046.tmp X-Aspam: Total 3.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.winsupersite.com) (http) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.12.101 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:30:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C67A76.CADDF030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are a fair amount of differences between Pro and Home....enough for many users to justify going with Pro. See http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp Pro features that aren't in Home Edition The following features are not present in Windows XP Home Edition. Power user * Remote Desktop - All versions of Windows XP--including Home Edition--support Remote Assistance, which is an assisted support technology that allows a help desk or system administrator to remotely connect to a client desktop for troubleshooting purposes. But Only Pro supports the new Remote Desktop feature, which is a single-session version of Terminal Services with two obvious uses: Mobile professionals who need to remotely access their corporate desktop, and remote administration of clients on a network. You can access a Windows XP Remote Desktop from any OS that supports a Terminal Services client (such as Windows 98 and, interestingly XP Home). XP Home can act as the client in a Remote Desktop session; only Pro can be the server . * Multi-processor support - Windows XP Pro supports up to two microprocessors, while Home Edition supports only one. * Automated System Recovery (ASR) - In a somewhat controversial move, Microsoft has removed the Backup utility from the default Windows XP Home Edition, though it is available as an optional installation if you can find it on the CD-ROM (hint: it's in the /valueadd folder). The reason for this the integration of Microsoft's new Automated System Recovery (ASR) tool into Backup. In Pro, ASR will help recover a system from a catastrophic error, such as one that renders the system unbootable. ASR-enabled backups are triggerable from XP Setup, allowing you to return your system to its previous state, even if the hard drive dies and has to be replaced. Unlike consumer-oriented features such as System Restore, ASR is not automatic: It must manually be enabled from within the Backup utility in Windows XP Pro. In any event, while there is a Backup utility available for Home Edition, you cannot use ASR, even though mentions of this feature still exist in the UI. Confusing? Yes. But it's better than no Backup at all, which was the original plan. * Dynamic Disk Support - Windows XP Professional (like its Windows 2000 equivalent) supports dynamic disks, but Home Edition does not (instead, HE supports only the standard Simple Disk type). Dynamic disks are not usable with any OS other than Windows 2000 or Windows XP Pro, and they cannot be used on portable computers. Likewise, Home Edition does not include the Logical Disk Manager. * Fax - Home Edition has no integrated fax functionality out of the box, though it is an option you can install from the XP Home CD. * Internet Information Services/Personal Web Server - Home Edition does not include the IIS Web server 5.1 software found in Pro. Security * Encrypting File System - Windows XP Professional supports the Encrypting File System (EFS), which allows you encrypt individual files or folders for local security (EFS is not enabled over a network). EFS-protected files and folders allows users to protect sensitive documents from other users. * File-level access control - Any user with Administrator privileges can limit access to certain network resources, such as servers, directories, and files, using access control lists. Only Windows XP Professional supports file-level access control, mostly because this feature is typically implemented through Group Policy Objects, which are also not available in Home Edition. * "C2" certification - Microsoft will attempt to have Windows XP Professional certified with the "C2" security designation, a largely irrelevant status, but one which will not be afforded to Home Edition. Management * Domain membership - Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active Directory domain. For obvious reasons, the Domain Wizard is also missing in Home Edition. * Group Policy - Since Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an Active Directory domain, Group Policy--whereby applications, network resources, and operating systems are administered for domain users--is not supported either. * IntelliMirror - Microsoft lumps a wide range of semi-related change and configuration management technologies under the IntelliMirror umbrella, and none of these features are supported in the consumer oriented Home Edition. IntelliMirror capabilities include user data management ; centrally-managed software installation, repair, updating, and removal; user settings management; and Remote Installation Services (RIS), which allows administrators to remotely install the OS on client systems. * Roaming profiles - This feature allows users to logon to any computer in an Active Directory network and automatically receive their customized settings. It is not available in Home Edition, which cannot logon to an Active Directory domain. Corporate deployment * Multi-language support - Only Windows XP Professional will ship in a Multi-Language version or support multiple languages in a single install. * Sysprep support - Windows XP Pro will support the System Preparation (Sysprep) utility, while Home Edition will not. * RIS support - See the IntelliMirror heading in the previous section; Home Edition does not support RIS deployments. 64-bit Edition * Microsoft is shipping a 64-bit version of Windows XP for Intel Itanium systems that mirrors the Professional Edition feature-set. Networking features The following networking features are not included in Home Edition: * The user interface for IPSecurity (IPSec) * SNMP * Simple TCP/IP services * SAP Agent * Client Service for NetWare * Network Monitor * Multiple Roaming feature User interface features Windows XP Home Edition has some different default settings that affect the user interface. For example, Guest logon is on by default in Home, but off in Pro. The Address bar in Explorer windows is on in Pro by default, but off in Home. During the beta period, Microsoft had intended to use a business-oriented shell theme ("Professional") by default in Pro and the "Luna" consumer theme in Home Edition. But feedback from corporate users suggested that everyone liked the consumer-oriented Luna theme better, and development of the Professional theme was cancelled. Other user interface features that are present in Pro but not Home include: * Client-side caching * Administrative Tools option on the Start menu (a subset of the Admin tools are still present in Home, however). It's also worth mentioning that Home Edition will support upgrades from Windows 98, 98 SE, and Millennium Edition (Me), but not from Windows 95, NT 4.0 Workstation, or Windows 2000 Professional. You can upgrade from Windows 98, 98 SE, Millennium Edition (Me), Windows NT 4.0 Workstation, or Windows 2000 Professional to Windows XP Professional. See my article on What to Expect from Windows XP for more information. Deciding which edition to buy is simple: Peruse the above list and decide whether you can live without any of these features. If you can't, then you're going to want to get Professional. Otherwise, save $100 and get Home Edition. 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The following features are not present in Windows XP Home = Edition.=20

    Power user =
  • Remote Desktop - All versions of Windows = XP--including Home=20 Edition--support Remote Assistance, which is an assisted support = technology=20 that allows a help desk or system administrator to remotely connect to = a=20 client desktop for troubleshooting purposes. But Only Pro supports the = new=20 Remote Desktop feature, which is a single-session version of Terminal = Services=20 with two obvious uses: Mobile professionals who need to remotely = access their=20 corporate desktop, and remote administration of clients on a network. = You can=20 access a Windows XP Remote Desktop from any OS that supports a = Terminal=20 Services client (such as Windows 98 and, interestingly XP Home). XP = Home can=20 act as the client in a Remote Desktop session; only Pro can be the server.=20
  • Multi-processor support - Windows XP Pro supports up to two=20 microprocessors, while Home Edition supports only one.=20
  • Automated System Recovery (ASR) - In a somewhat controversial = move,=20 Microsoft has removed the Backup utility from the default Windows XP = Home=20 Edition, though it is available as an optional installation if you can = find it=20 on the CD-ROM (hint: it's in the /valueadd folder). The reason for = this the=20 integration of Microsoft's new Automated System Recovery (ASR) tool = into=20 Backup. In Pro, ASR will help recover a system from a catastrophic = error, such=20 as one that renders the system unbootable. ASR-enabled backups are = triggerable=20 from XP Setup, allowing you to return your system to its previous = state, even=20 if the hard drive dies and has to be replaced. Unlike = consumer-oriented=20 features such as System Restore, ASR is not automatic: It must = manually be=20 enabled from within the Backup utility in Windows XP Pro. In any = event, while=20 there is a Backup utility available for Home Edition, you cannot use = ASR, even=20 though mentions of this feature still exist in the UI. Confusing? Yes. = But=20 it's better than no Backup at all, which was the original plan.=20
  • Dynamic Disk Support - Windows XP Professional (like its Windows = 2000=20 equivalent) supports dynamic disks, but Home Edition does not = (instead, HE=20 supports only the standard Simple Disk type). Dynamic disks are not = usable=20 with any OS other than Windows 2000 or Windows XP Pro, and they cannot = be used=20 on portable computers. Likewise, Home Edition does not include the = Logical=20 Disk Manager.=20
  • Fax - Home Edition has no integrated fax functionality out of the = box,=20 though it is an option you can install from the XP Home CD.=20
  • Internet Information Services/Personal Web Server - Home Edition = does not=20 include the IIS Web server 5.1 software found in Pro. =
    Security=20
  • Encrypting File System - Windows XP Professional supports the = Encrypting=20 File System (EFS), which allows you encrypt individual files or = folders for=20 local security (EFS is not enabled over a network). EFS-protected = files and=20 folders allows users to protect sensitive documents from other users.=20
  • File-level access control - Any user with Administrator privileges = can=20 limit access to certain network resources, such as servers, = directories, and=20 files, using access control lists. Only Windows XP Professional = supports=20 file-level access control, mostly because this feature is typically=20 implemented through Group Policy Objects, which are also not available = in Home=20 Edition.=20
  • "C2" certification - Microsoft will attempt to have Windows XP=20 Professional certified with the "C2" security designation, a largely=20 irrelevant status, but one which will not be afforded to Home Edition. =
    Management =
  • Domain membership - Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an = Active=20 Directory domain. For obvious reasons, the Domain Wizard is also = missing in=20 Home Edition.=20
  • Group Policy - Since Home Edition cannot be used to logon to an = Active=20 Directory domain, Group Policy--whereby applications, network = resources, and=20 operating systems are administered for domain users--is not supported = either.=20
  • IntelliMirror - Microsoft lumps a wide range of semi-related = change and=20 configuration management technologies under the IntelliMirror = umbrella, and=20 none of these features are supported in the consumer oriented Home = Edition.=20 IntelliMirror capabilities include user data management; centrally-managed software = installation,=20 repair, updating, and removal; user settings management; and Remote=20 Installation Services (RIS), which allows administrators to remotely = install=20 the OS on client systems.=20
  • Roaming profiles - This feature allows users to logon to any = computer in=20 an Active Directory network and automatically receive their customized = settings. It is not available in Home Edition, which cannot logon to = an Active=20 Directory domain.
    Corporate = deployment=20
  • Multi-language support - Only Windows XP Professional will ship in = a=20 Multi-Language version or support multiple languages in a single = install.=20
  • Sysprep support - Windows XP Pro will support the System = Preparation=20 (Sysprep) utility, while Home Edition will not.=20
  • RIS support - See the IntelliMirror heading in the previous = section; Home=20 Edition does not support RIS deployments.
    64-bit = Edition=20
  • Microsoft is shipping a 64-bit version of Windows XP for Intel Itanium systems that mirrors the Professional = Edition=20 feature-set.
    Networking = features=20
    The=20 following networking features are not included in Home Edition:=20
  • The user interface for IPSecurity (IPSec)=20
  • SNMP=20
  • Simple TCP/IP services=20
  • SAP Agent=20
  • Client Service for NetWare=20
  • Network Monitor=20
  • Multiple Roaming feature
    User = interface=20 features
    Windows XP Home Edition has some different default = settings that=20 affect the user interface. For example, Guest logon is on by default = in Home,=20 but off in Pro. The Address bar in Explorer windows is on in Pro by = default,=20 but off in Home. During the beta period, Microsoft had intended to use = a=20 business-oriented shell theme ("Professional") by default in Pro and = the=20 "Luna" consumer theme in Home Edition. But feedback from corporate = users=20 suggested that everyone liked the consumer-oriented Luna theme better, = and=20 development of the Professional theme was cancelled. Other user = interface=20 features that are present in Pro but not Home include:=20
  • Client-side caching=20
  • Administrative Tools option on the Start menu (a subset of the = Admin tools=20 are still present in Home, however).
It's also worth mentioning that Home Edition will support upgrades = from=20 Windows 98, 98 SE, and Millennium Edition (Me), but not from Windows 95, = NT 4.0=20 Workstation, or Windows 2000 Professional. You can upgrade from Windows = 98, 98=20 SE, Millennium Edition (Me), Windows NT 4.0 Workstation, or Windows 2000 = Professional to Windows XP Professional. See my article on What to = Expect=20 from Windows XP for more information.=20

Deciding which edition to buy is simple: Peruse the above list and = decide=20 whether you can live without any of these features. If you can't, then = you're=20 going to want to get Professional. Otherwise, save $100 and get Home = Edition.=20 Note that Microsoft is offering a less-expensive Professional "Step-Up" = upgrade=20 for Home users that wish to move to XP=20 Pro.

 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C67A76.CADDF030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 19:39:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B1F3BEB8; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071775@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <012c01c67aa8$c717fbd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Thread-Index: AcZ6qMusBpKv+IQFS+2lClQ77MuieAABdToQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC) > From: Stephen Goodman > > XP Pro! Why? Can you name the features of XP Pro that you use? I personally use XP Pro but only because I have to connect my machine to various corporate networks and I occasionally need to develop using IIS (Microsoft's web server). Otherwise there is nothing about XP Pro that I need. For a PC intended primarily for music performance with=20 occasional web surfing through a consumer broadband service, you don't need Pro. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 19:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A2A43BEC1; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,142,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="38476380:sNHT1146805723" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: mixer board suggestions Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:42:47 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mixer board suggestions thread-index: AcZ6sz2CiUYOzGIaThyy3YsI68jkwQ== From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2006 19:42:48.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E0EF4A0:01C67AB3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Also, consider the mackie 1402 VLZ Pro - it has real faders, not much larger than 1202 You can probably find one at a good price point on ebay -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 20:18:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983813BED2; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcJ1AFpybESBS4dHAQEdDQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060518211204.01ac7080@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:18:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) In-Reply-To: <20060518183015.B902B3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060518183015.B902B3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4C1D2.A.GQD.paNbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:18:49 +0000 (UTC) >Here's yet another question... > >Windows XP Home, Media Center or Pro? There's quite a >bit of price difference but I wonder if it will effect >me in any way. > >Mark I just researched this, and ended up with "Home". The difference is quoted as being to do with extra features. ( so I can't see that one will run better than another) Pro is for business use. Media Center is presumably to allow you to watch DVDs without having to learn what a Folder is :-) ... ;-) and you can pick up "home" even cheaper from Amazon, sometimes a machine with bundled XP is either chucked out, or used to run 98, in which case someone gets to sell a version of XP andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 20:21:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79EB3BEC7; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcJ1AFpybESBS4dHAQEdDQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060518212053.01ac3008@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:21:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: mixer board suggestions In-Reply-To: <20060518183015.B902B3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060518183015.B902B3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:21:40 +0000 (UTC) At 19:30 18/05/2006, you wrote: > > Andy wrote: > >> Behringer Ultralink > >> MX882 > > > > All the inputs and outputs on the Ultralink are fully balanced (XLR or TRS > > jacks). How do you run a guitar signal into it? > >...without using a DI, I mean. If you have to use a DI then does the >Ultralink have phantom power? Would you have to run a DI for each unbalanced >signal? > >Thanks, >Kevin sorry, it's a line level only device :-( andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 21:03:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30A233BECC; Thu, 18 May 2006 21:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <446CE122.8020808@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 23:03:30 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071775@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071775@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:03:36 +0000 (UTC) jeff larson wrote: >> From: Stephen Goodman >> >> XP Pro! > > Why? Can you name the features of XP Pro that you use? > For anyone getting a DuoCore or other multi-processor machine (that would be all the smart people!) then they need pro - home doesn't support multiple processors, afaik. The intel Duos are pretty insane, and I can't imagine what it must be like to only be able to use half the processing power! Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 21:13:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C663B3BED0; Thu, 18 May 2006 21:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07177A@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <446CE122.8020808@post.cybercity.dk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Thread-Index: AcZ6vohdT2S1JVkJRcC8x0BCWjyIAwAADTHg From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:13:03 +0000 (UTC) > > Why? Can you name the features of XP Pro that you use? > >=20 > For anyone getting a DuoCore or other multi-processor machine=20 > (that would be all the smart people!) then they need pro -=20 > home doesn't support multiple processors, afaik. My understanding is that Dual Cores are not considered to be "multiple processors" from the OS's perspective. There are a lot of Dual Core machines being sold right now bundled with XP Home or Media Center. http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_entdt_e510?c=3Dus&= c s=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs I really doubt they would even offer this configuration if you could only use one core. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 21:17:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 966E93BECD; Thu, 18 May 2006 21:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,142,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="206571448:sNHT27697738" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060518141507.011e38b8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:17:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07177A@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <446CE122.8020808@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:17:42 +0000 (UTC) That is interesting. I have an older HT enabled CPU and is reported as 2 CPUs in my XP sys info. I heard (somewhere) that Dual Core with HT would result in the OS reporting 4 CPUs. At 2006.05.18 02:13 PM, jeff larson wrote: > > For anyone getting a DuoCore or other multi-processor machine > > (that would be all the smart people!) then they need pro - > > home doesn't support multiple processors, afaik. > >My understanding is that Dual Cores are not considered to >be "multiple processors" from the OS's perspective. There are >a lot of Dual Core machines being sold right now bundled >with XP Home or Media Center. > >http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_entdt_e510?c=us&c >s=19&l=en&s=dhs > >I really doubt they would even offer this configuration >if you could only use one core. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 21:23:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 547853BED3; Thu, 18 May 2006 21:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,142,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="206574944:sNHT24376490" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060518142116.011e3768@wheresmymailserver.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:23:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Depends on who you believe... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042012944 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.intel/browse_thread/thread/d4d7effc305e94e7/654461755d2df9b9%23654461755d2df9b9 The second link makes the distinction between physical processors and cores with the upshot being that XP home will make use of both cores. At 2006.05.18 02:13 PM, jeff larson wrote: > > For anyone getting a DuoCore or other multi-processor machine > > (that would be all the smart people!) then they need pro - > > home doesn't support multiple processors, afaik. > >My understanding is that Dual Cores are not considered to >be "multiple processors" from the OS's perspective. There are >a lot of Dual Core machines being sold right now bundled >with XP Home or Media Center. > >http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_entdt_e510?c=us&c >s=19&l=en&s=dhs > >I really doubt they would even offer this configuration >if you could only use one core. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 21:38:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A963BEC2; Thu, 18 May 2006 21:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:38:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071785@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060518142116.011e3768@wheresmymailserver.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OS? Home, Media or Pro? Thread-Index: AcZ6wVdzl4RyLYs8SiCzvBMlbRXMogAAb7vQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:38:34 +0000 (UTC) > From: Sean Echevarria > > The second link makes the distinction between physical=20 > processors and cores with the upshot being that XP home will=20 > make use of both cores. Right, the issue for XP Pro is that it supports "Symmetric Multiprocessors" (SMPs). This is not the same thing as multiple-cores, though the OS may display them the same way in the administration tools. =20 SMPs have been around a long time and are basically special motherboards that accept more than one processor chip and sometimes duplicate supporting components like cache, memory, and disk controllers. Multiple cores (in home machines) are relatively recent,=20 they effectively duplicate the CPU but share the same cache, memory, and other components. =20 SMPs have typically been available only in "server" class machines, I have never seen one in a laptop. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 22:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5483BECA; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Dry Signal Passing Through VST Effects and Host Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:06:55 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c67ac7$63972c10$6a01a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C67A95.18FCBC10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <14accf523d06c279d81f2d393920dfa7@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.12.101 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <51oL-D.A.TI.OAPbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:07:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C67A95.18FCBC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm experiencing some weird issue with my VST effects and host (Chainer), and I wanted to see if anyone had experienced the same. Basically, on some effects (not all), there is this dry signal that is passing through to my soundcard output. It is totally bi-passing my other VST effects downstream in the host, like reverb, chorus, etc. I tested this by lowering both my dry and wet mix in Chainer, for that particular effect, and the dry signal is present. The thing is it is not limited to a specific suite of VST effects, manufacturer, etc. For instance, some Pluggo effects don't have the problem, others do. PSP 42 and 84 don't exhibit the problem. If it did it with all my effects, I'd suspect that I had my sound card setup to monitor my dry input in the final mix, but that is not the case. Any ideas? It is ver annoying with I want a totally effected signal. I'll test this with EnergyXT to see if it is Chainer that is the culprit. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C67A95.18FCBC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I'm=20 experiencing some weird issue with my VST effects and host (Chainer), = and I=20 wanted to see if anyone had experienced the same. Basically, on some = effects=20 (not all), there is this dry signal that is passing through to my = soundcard=20 output. It is totally bi-passing my other VST effects downstream in the = host,=20 like reverb, chorus, etc. I tested this by lowering both my dry and wet = mix in=20 Chainer, for that particular effect, and the dry signal is present. The = thing is=20 it is not limited to a specific suite of VST effects, manufacturer, etc. = For=20 instance, some Pluggo effects don't have the problem, others do.  = PSP 42=20 and 84 don't exhibit the problem.  If it did it with all my = effects, I'd=20 suspect that I had my sound card setup to monitor my dry input in the = final mix,=20 but that is not the case. 
 
Any ideas? It is ver annoying with I want a = totally=20 effected signal.
 
I'll test this with EnergyXT to see if it is = Chainer=20 that is the culprit.
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C67A95.18FCBC10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 18 22:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6F663BEC1; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <446CF30E.9080804@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:19:58 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071785@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071785@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Meh. XP Pro came with my laptop, what do I care? ;-) Best, Andreas jeff larson wrote: >> From: Sean Echevarria >> >> The second link makes the distinction between physical >> processors and cores with the upshot being that XP home will >> make use of both cores. > > Right, the issue for XP Pro is that it supports "Symmetric > Multiprocessors" > (SMPs). This is not the same thing as multiple-cores, though the > OS may display them the same way in the administration tools. > > SMPs have been around a long time and are basically special > motherboards that accept more than one processor chip and sometimes > duplicate supporting components like cache, memory, and disk > controllers. Multiple cores (in home machines) are relatively recent, > they effectively duplicate the CPU but share the same cache, memory, > and other components. > > SMPs have typically been available only in "server" class machines, > I have never seen one in a laptop. > > Jeff > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 01:08:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BE13BEB9; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sTXylZyr+TYl17dxKJ9a/5KAV+P49zNNkX+YecpfwyIDxvEvL/axB1AJK4hWpMOAZuXvcadwUzwySPvUIw7tZoXwx5dc2m/tMoq/L/RgUKDuo0BB/8tXzOjPCejFrs8tEVtPCwFxzHKo/iGxF3Rxz2cQf6O1pBD3HSvU/p8lPg4= Message-ID: <64b81a780605181808l15162458j665f3e9aecc4ffab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:08:31 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060518141507.011e38b8@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_148415_7210715.1148000911197" References: <446CE122.8020808@post.cybercity.dk> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07177A@keel.sailpoint.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060518141507.011e38b8@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:08:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_148415_7210715.1148000911197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline According to Apple's docs for boot camp, either XP Home or XP Pro will work. Though I was unable to find a difinitive "Yes, you can use XP Home o= n an Intel Core Duo Mac" statement, I have to imagine there'd be a warning in there somewhere if you couldn't. On 5/18/06, Sean Echevarria wrote: > > That is interesting. I have an older HT enabled CPU and is reported as 2 > CPUs in my XP sys info. I heard (somewhere) that Dual Core with HT would > result in the OS reporting 4 CPUs. > > > At 2006.05.18 02:13 PM, jeff larson wrote: > > > For anyone getting a DuoCore or other multi-processor machine > > > (that would be all the smart people!) then they need pro - > > > home doesn't support multiple processors, afaik. > > > >My understanding is that Dual Cores are not considered to > >be "multiple processors" from the OS's perspective. There are > >a lot of Dual Core machines being sold right now bundled > >with XP Home or Media Center. > > > >http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_entdt_e510?c=3Dus= &c > >s=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs > > > >I really doubt they would even offer this configuration > >if you could only use one core. > > ------=_Part_148415_7210715.1148000911197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline According to Apple's docs for boot camp, either XP Home or XP Pro will work= .  Though I was unable to find a difinitive "Yes, you can use XP = Home on an Intel Core Duo Mac" statement, I have to imagine there'd be= a warning in there somewhere if you couldn't.



On 5/18/06, Sean Echevarria <sean.loop@creepingfog.com> wrote:
That is interesting.  I have an older HT enabled CPU and is repor= ted as 2
CPUs in my XP sys info.  I heard (somewhere) that Dua= l Core with HT would
result in the OS reporting 4 CPUs.


At 20= 06.05.18 02:13 PM, jeff larson wrote:
> > For anyone getting a DuoCore or other multi-processor machine=
> > (that would be all the smart people!) then they need pro -> > home doesn't support multiple processors, afaik.
>
>My understanding is that Dual Cores are not considered to
>be &qu= ot;multiple processors" from the OS's perspective.  There ar= e
>a lot of Dual Core machines being sold right now bundled
>wi= th XP Home or Media Center.
>
>http://www.dell.com/content/products/featur= es.aspx/cto_entdt_e510?c=3Dus&c
>s=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddh= s
>
>I really doubt they would even offer this configuration
>if y= ou could only use one core.


------=_Part_148415_7210715.1148000911197-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 01:13:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCEDF3BEB8; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:11:45 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 13, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <446D1B51.1010907@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:13:48 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060513.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2373BEC5; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002e01c67ae9$10c62eb0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071775@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 03:08:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 02:08:17 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff larson" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 May, 2006 20:39 PM Subject: RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) >> From: Stephen Goodman >> >> XP Pro! > > Why? Can you name the features of XP Pro that you use? I tend to have to anticipate any possible use of PCs by a client, but in my purchase of XP Pro had initially understood that there are less features in home regarding networking, and had gotten spolt with this under Windows 2000 Pro. I hadn't heard about the Novell support and was relieved to find it when I had a client's server box here for some setup. Win 2000's still quite a fine OS but not as stable while capturing or recording large files (>200MB). Conversely I haven't had one crash while manipulating or recording the same material under XP. Also I like having a free Backup utility, amongst other things. Krispin's reference is a good one to start from. But my needs have to do with anticipation of as much as possible. Thus, "Top End of Current OS" usually applies. I'm slavering to get Vista, which I hear is elegant without being too clunky and chunky. OT, but this inability to either draw (pen broken) or play (middle finger, I'm going to get a copy of the x-ray, very rock n roll), the new system accepts input from my MD player, and so I'll get some work done on remastering the somewhat noisy recording of a live performance on Good Friday 2001, at a thing called "Critical Mass". S. > I personally use XP Pro but only because I have to connect my machine > to various corporate networks and I occasionally need to develop using > IIS (Microsoft's web server). Otherwise there is nothing about XP Pro > that I need. > > For a PC intended primarily for music performance with > occasional web surfing through a consumer broadband service, you don't > need Pro. > > Jeff > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 02:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E823BEC1; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lrAfxY3ckSppQttYngIQjJ6ilP98+k6dOSV5zptRynblVl9T/3ZUlsrhwZO5ClYDqxRHjISDTxSihMJCF6V5gS4VyKjBxhP3GxVwauPs5tZMlpcSbpzwAkat5EcfVzF48VTt5LUXgdOvoqT+26Iij8VFe+8kEKYICZE+699St9A= ; Message-ID: <20060519022423.53708.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: OS? Home or Pro? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060518220711.61ED93BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 02:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Another slant on Home vs Pro: Living here in Seattle, I have many many friends who work for Microsoft. One of them saw Steve Ballmer address a large group of MS employees and say: "I would rather see all your friends and relatives own a copy of XP that you got for them via your employee discount rather than see them obtain an illegal copy." Basically encouraging very inexpensive versions of the OS to circulate legally among friends and relatives of the company. MS employees purchase software "at cost" which is around $30 for XP (home or pro) due to the expensive packaging that they dress it all up in. Also, a little known fact about the lifespan of the MS OS registration files: Microsoft keeps the registration for a total of 4 months. This means that you can sell it 4 months after you buy it and it will be a clean and new version. What they are trying to accomplish here is to keep the unscrupulous PC reseller from installing XP on 300 different computers and selling them for more money than they would otherwise get. Even with that being said, you can buy a copy of XP and install it on 2 or 3 of your computers at home within a week of purchasing it and you still most likely won't raise any red flags at Microsoft when you register your copy. I haven't actually tried that out, I'm just going on what my MS friends tell me on that point. This of course makes the whole Home vs. Pro debate rather inconsequential. I installed Pro about 9 months ago, just because I could not because I needed it. I have had far fewer system freezes than ever before. I also beefed up my RAM from 512 to 1 gig so that probably weighs into the stability as well. As far as stability is concerned, I am as happy as a clam with my uses of Windows XP Pro on my HP desktop computer. Some of my friends are running beta versions of Vista right now as well. The word on the street is that they would not purchase a copy of Vista when it first comes out, preferring to let it sit on the market for half a year or more until the bugs get more and more ironed out. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 02:33:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CACD3BEB0; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yTY0unvnol69eZmq1RsOrO/+GxUIlxdZUjjSxeEqz/pceJCaTzCIv5OYKq5J9rMKxRG/FuZr7CxQ6pEh3tOxoR2io9DAMb5dIOAtkQX+05jHDxjsCLVdbn1xLFgUyI5ocHsWhF0u8my4qPza7m1HBq2lJyBG08v7+NIiVQHjZmg= ; Message-ID: <20060519023337.96732.qmail@web39215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Thomas Subject: A musical problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1230894082-1148006017=:95680" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 02:33:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1230894082-1148006017=:95680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I am having a problem with my looping. Namely, I cannot easily "change tack" and speed up or do other rapid changes. I was wondering what you guys do to affect dramatic changes in a looping performance w/o it sounding clunky or having to go back to "square one". Thanks, one_three_eye. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-1230894082-1148006017=:95680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I am having a problem with my looping.  Namely, I cannot easily "change tack" and speed up or do other rapid changes.  I was wondering what you guys do to affect dramatic changes in a looping performance w/o it sounding clunky or having to go back to "square one". 

Thanks, one_three_eye.

Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-1230894082-1148006017=:95680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 04:27:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E92B3BEC5; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060519022423.53708.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060519022423.53708.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: OS? Home or Pro? Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 23:27:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:27:42 +0000 (UTC) > This of course makes the whole Home vs. Pro debate rather inconsequential. It is inconsequential only if you have ready access to a pirated or 2nd hand copy of XP Pro, or the skills necessary to find one on the web. There is really no debate here. If you need one of the Pro features, get it. If you don't then save your money. Those of us in the computer industry have a tendency to want the biggest and best thing. That's fine, but not necessarily relevant for those looking for a low cost platform to run audio applications. For most people it boils down to this: if you need to connect the computer to a network run by a university or business, then get XP Pro. If you don't then the chances are good you will never notice the difference. Read the various feature comparison lists and decide. But don't be afraid that Home is less stable than Pro, it isn't. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 04:31:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048253BEC5; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bf01c67afd$0d49e920$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Compressor/Limiter VST Collection - BUZZROOM Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:31:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 566, in=307040, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9h6o0C.A.elH.QoUbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 04:31:13 +0000 (UTC) While I was downloading a bunch of VST plugins yesterday, I found an outstanding collection of free compressor VSTs. I normally use Classic Compressor as my first VST in Chainer, to keep my direct guitar signal under control, but these new compressors are sweet! I like the way they look...easy to use, etc. It's the buzzroom free series: http://www.x-buz.com/BuzCompFree.html I like the BuzComp GeneComp, Generic Digital Linear Compressor. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 06:09:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49493BEC2; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.68.148.55] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <20060519023337.96732.qmail@web39215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: A musical problem Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:09:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C67B13.2F5AE940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <5BbzOC.A.0dC.hEWbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:09:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C67B13.2F5AE940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you have a number of loops going at once, (I like 2 either the same = length or multiples, then occasionally unsynchronised) reducethe feedback on one to take it out. Change key Undo - on sophisticated loopers only 1/2 or double speed mash to a pulp with some other processing. Stop briefly - then bang it all back in again. Scream at the top of your voice while you build another texture with the = volume down. build another texture with the volume down without screaming while the = old one carries on - then ring modulate one with the other. I have to go to work now...... G ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Thomas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: A musical problem Hi all, I am having a problem with my looping. Namely, I cannot = easily "change tack" and speed up or do other rapid changes. I was = wondering what you guys do to affect dramatic changes in a looping = performance w/o it sounding clunky or having to go back to "square one". = =20 Thanks, one_three_eye. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Blab-away for as little as 1=A2/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using = Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C67B13.2F5AE940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you have a number of loops going at = once, (I=20 like 2 either the same length or multiples, then occasionally=20 unsynchronised)
reducethe feedback on one to take it=20 out.
Change key
Undo - on sophisticated loopers = only
1/2 or double speed
mash to a pulp with some other=20 processing.
Stop briefly  - then bang it all = back in=20 again.
Scream at the top of your voice while = you build=20 another texture with the volume down.
build another texture with the volume = down without=20 screaming while the old one carries on - then ring modulate one with the = other.
I have to go to work = now......
 
G
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave=20 Thomas
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:33 = AM
Subject: A musical = problem

Hi all, I am having a problem with my looping.  = Namely, I=20 cannot easily "change tack" and speed up or do other rapid = changes.  I=20 was wondering what you guys do to affect dramatic changes in a looping = performance w/o it sounding clunky or having to go back to "square = one". =20

Thanks, one_three_eye.

Blab-away for as little as 1=A2/min. Make PC-to-Phone=20 Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with = Voice. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C67B13.2F5AE940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 06:35:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3FB3BEC2; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS RC-50 RELEASED IN JAPAN Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:35:43 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2006 06:35:43.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[742A36C0:01C67B0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:35:44 +0000 (UTC) hello all - it's my pleasure to inform you that the BOSS RC-50 has arrived at music shops in Japan, or at least at ishibashi in osaka. i saw an unfamiliar number on my phone after emerging from the shower today and it turned out to be ishibashi informing me that the long awaited day had finally arived. of course i rushed directly there to claim my prize. unfortunately i have to go to work in about an hour, but i'll be sure to post an update with thoughts and impressions after i've had some time to experiemnet with it a bit! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 07:10:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFD423BEB0; Fri, 19 May 2006 07:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H67BVIWilHIKDB/RTCWfQj89CHWAwSk9uDX2Y+JztGSUL+E7R5pPzDgf30KAXSVIlKXhg95Xbgvngo5/NnWOfonhfbflh3G0dVnX2snBTH8XIt03sE+67QQFopSedofsnCXe91URUb1BzcLEvz5V08JC1mzLI6fA4T484dEWeMo= ; Message-ID: <20060519071043.16897.qmail@web60418.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: Random band name generator To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605121306t42e1a614u44dfbf0e56810712@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1457415008-1148022643=:11628" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7XV9ZB.A.0tE.09WbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:10:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-1457415008-1148022643=:11628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's another great source for band names.. Your bulk mail - spam folder! Nolan Fuentes Tyson Ouellette Royal Hendrix Speedy Approval Final Notice #20495 Fun Gift Unit Rusty Flood Prof. Charles Soludo Rusty Flood and the Fun Gift Unit playing their big hit - " Final Notice #20495 ". Art Simon wrote: http://www.elsewhere.org/bandname This kept me amused for longer than I'd like to admit. My favorite so far is "angstfinger" -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-1457415008-1148022643=:11628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Here's another great source for band names..
Your bulk mail - spam folder!
 
Nolan Fuentes
Tyson Ouellette
Royal Hendrix
Speedy Approval
Final Notice #20495
Fun Gift Unit
Rusty Flood
Prof. Charles Soludo
 
 
Rusty Flood and the Fun Gift Unit
playing their big hit - " Final Notice #20495 ".


Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.elsewhere.org/bandname
This kept me amused for longer than I'd like to admit. My favorite so
far is "angstfinger"
--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://www.myspace.com/artsimon


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Messenger with Voice. --0-1457415008-1148022643=:11628-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 08:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EF8B3BEC5; Fri, 19 May 2006 08:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sfXFdftD79DeEd2IYpH9iRDO8KpyXB2FdsOacdCXrNQDz+SaOmbaR10ez/4KYtbpyR0XrgoxoRqH/OTpckNPdw/N8uWDml9UHUPF28ZeCkYrXMa+jsWfKFULzidTnid46IAXhooR1BSEtC2QcENcraBGawbR9Lqi71WAcZaiGvI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060519023337.96732.qmail@web39215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060519023337.96732.qmail@web39215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <462B79AA-A010-456D-9832-164C06C44097@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: A musical problem Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:19:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 08:19:32 +0000 (UTC) On 19 maj 2006, at 04.33, Dave Thomas wrote: > Hi all, I am having a problem with my looping. Namely, I cannot > easily "change tack" and speed up or do other rapid changes. I was > wondering what you guys do to affect dramatic changes in a looping > performance w/o it sounding clunky or having to go back to "square > one". Very interesting thread! I agree with Gareth that setting up multiple loops to jump between is a good way. On the EDP (I don't know which loopers you are using) each loop will also remember a different tempo. I won't repeat all Gareths good advice but just add pitch shifting. On a Repeater and in Mobius (still with some artifacts, though) pitch shifting is an easy way to create multiple chords or a key change. Generally there is two concepts for coming up with dramatic changes in live looping. One is to create many loops to jump between and the other concept is to use one loop (with lots of layered parts) that will of course lend it self for manipulation with more drama. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 09:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1033BECC; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c67b24$3f634fb0$6501a8c0@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 RELEASED IN JAPAN Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:11:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Oh good!! Then there's a good chance I'll get mine in a few weeks as Sweetwater has stated. :) Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: BOSS RC-50 RELEASED IN JAPAN > hello all - > > it's my pleasure to inform you that the BOSS RC-50 has arrived at music > shops in Japan, or at least at ishibashi in osaka. > i saw an unfamiliar number on my phone after emerging from the shower today > and it turned out to be ishibashi informing me that the long awaited day had > finally arived. > of course i rushed directly there to claim my prize. > unfortunately i have to go to work in about an hour, but i'll be sure to > post an update with thoughts and impressions after i've had some time to > experiemnet with it a bit! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 10:40:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 805B03BEC2; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAJI3bUSBS4dHLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060519113723.01b503f0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:40:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) In-Reply-To: <20060518220711.6D8AB3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060518220711.6D8AB3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Kris says >There are a fair amount of differences between Pro and >Home....enough for many users to justify going with Pro. See >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp > So would you concur that the main difference from the looper standpoint is the dual processor support? (assuming that looping software will be able to make use of this in the future, if not now) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 10:49:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D11B63BEB8; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAEk+bUSBS4QWgzEs Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060519114607.01b578c8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:49:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: OS? Home or Pro? In-Reply-To: <20060519071045.7F17D3BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060519071045.7F17D3BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:49:35 +0000 (UTC) At 08:10 19/05/2006, you wrote: >Even with that being said, you can buy a copy of XP and >install it on 2 or 3 of your computers at home within a week of >purchasing it and you still most >likely won't raise any red flags at Microsoft when you register your >copy. I haven't actually >tried that out, I'm just going on what my MS friends tell me on that point. The online activation will fail if you try this. You'll have to use phone activation and tell a guy that you're only installing it onto one machine. ( my pc died just after installing xp last week, so i know this is so ) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 13:26:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AC703BEB8; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011401c67b47$d2ff9ee0$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060518220711.6D8AB3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060519113723.01b503f0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:26:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 567, in=315248, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:26:31 +0000 (UTC) That, and there are some subtle differences in the usability/look and feel between the two. It's nothing major. I've been using both Pro and Home since they came out...I sort of have a multiple personality having my work computer with Pro, my old notebook with Home, and now my new ThinkPad with Pro. It's mostly anecdotal, I admit, but I just like Pro better for reasons I can't articulate right now. So I guess I'll have to rely on my subjective response at this point, without actually testing my memor and getting the two systems side by side. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re:RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? (was Re: Mobius on an Intel Mac (and more questions)) > Kris says >>There are a fair amount of differences between Pro and Home....enough for >>many users to justify going with Pro. See >>http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp > > So would you concur that the main difference from the looper standpoint is > the dual processor support? > (assuming that looping software will be able to make use of this in the > future, if not now) > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 13:34:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FAE53BEB8; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011c01c67b48$fb61cbf0$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Dry Signal Passing Through VST Effects and Host Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:34:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 565, in=302276, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:34:44 +0000 (UTC) If I could make an embarassed face with text only, I'd do it! Basically, I solved my problem...user error...Chainer has wet and dry level control for each effect, and for each "stack" (row of effects, there are 8 of them in the host)....I had turned up the dry levels on each stack to maximize volume, which was passing dry signal through, even though I had the dry signal to 0 on each individual efffect. But I learned something that is the inverse of my problem, which is sort of interesting. It's not that some effects were passing dry signal through even when the dry mix on them was off, rather it was that some effects were sending no dry signal at all. It was the other way around....so even though I had the stack dry mix up to 100, the effect wasn't passing any dry signal to it. Odd, but easy to work with. Anyway, works like a charm now, and wow does everything sound different! Even Ruby Tube has totally changed its character and is better than before...not uneffected signal mixed with it now. And Hipno effects sound awesome! I had to change my settings on a lot of things to get my levels up, but all is good now. Now I need to start experimenting with some of the Pluggo routing VSTs so that I can insert tone mangling effects after Mobius in the Chainer sequence of VSTs....try some of the randomizing VSTs, etc....get my web cam up and running to control Hipno and the virutal Theremin, get Toy Bear's Monster Bag of tone mangling effects, etc....the list goes on....not enough time in the day. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 14:38:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A4F3BEC7; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bk+ZDDaC9hYMDXqzr6MxOUx6h2Laix9nxTt+TBfo4AU+c3OHSlk9uH++hbc+LN/09FRunqEslSGKrDmI6AQXOW4IyL303ajsRnCrnANjGU7TukwrRP6kwQ4bQsbH/oFEOuwQR4qlw1iNU4osdBUQJmAjLc/GHzz5k1UIZG+6F5c= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605190738k6edbdaa9u2efdd330b76423b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:38:54 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: More Guitar Amp/Distortion VSTs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:38:57 +0000 (UTC) I went through my collection of Guitar amp sims and distortion VST plugins, and I posted the free ones that weren't in Krispen's Collection, for anyone who is interested. http://www.box.net/public/evgxievr8t --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 14:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96D43BEC7; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J3JdzHTrZn5hxYhS0rHTlKQ6SgjXpDIjzB9VZAdSGJ2zSJgsYjeCBh2rhQwU4pi7naYwU/YepSoF2p9LNZJfz+nNjkpS9ERzxXSQ16170UZQhG3EcE/TmvG4Fw8wVRL44jsAsOcmjuKzsk/H7OCjkLuJn2DMtV/8AtVwTkb7Ui4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605190744s2345c3d4x65a0d9c0195947fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 07:44:41 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: More Guitar Amp/Distortion VSTs In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605190738k6edbdaa9u2efdd330b76423b0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605190738k6edbdaa9u2efdd330b76423b0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Maybe I should list the plug-ins: Voxengo Boogex Buz OctBuz Chimp ChimpDual GreaseTube Rokman TubeBooster TubeDriver Tubester Xamp Extremist Saro Multibandbitcrusher On 5/19/06, Art Simon wrote: > I went through my collection of Guitar amp sims and distortion VST > plugins, and I posted the free ones that weren't in Krispen's > Collection, for anyone who is interested. > http://www.box.net/public/evgxievr8t > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 15:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB5913BECD; Fri, 19 May 2006 15:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014501c67b58$666b62d0$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0605190738k6edbdaa9u2efdd330b76423b0@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0605190744s2345c3d4x65a0d9c0195947fb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: More Guitar Amp/Distortion VSTs Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:25:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 567, in=315413, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Thanks. More tricks in my bag. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: More Guitar Amp/Distortion VSTs Maybe I should list the plug-ins: Voxengo Boogex Buz OctBuz Chimp ChimpDual GreaseTube Rokman TubeBooster TubeDriver Tubester Xamp Extremist Saro Multibandbitcrusher On 5/19/06, Art Simon wrote: > I went through my collection of Guitar amp sims and distortion VST > plugins, and I posted the free ones that weren't in Krispen's > Collection, for anyone who is interested. > http://www.box.net/public/evgxievr8t > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 17:08:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AE23BEB5; Fri, 19 May 2006 17:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ipXUpyeUGe4nH2uC+94+75yD4mOxkEzyj6hasaqvjmY+K/IkW4vQUmlActAX7uN5xqrtk67LpxMn++VxCGo1ROO3Oz8s4CLsqjESOticf9bwCyXJotAE9ef625vur4B7yLlPBwypcyAFls+u7nAYGBjYA7+c+TA1WuP1aMUYUIA= ; Message-ID: <20060519170835.22799.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OS? Home or Pro? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Xtm9D.A.7DH.VufbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Thanks kids! This is exactly the information I was seeking. My networking needs are few and probably very basic. If it can see my LAN to access the web wirelessly, that's about all I care about and frankly even that's not all that important. Now if someone could tell me why this old Sony VAIO can't see my wireless network I'd be in heaven! --- Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > > This of course makes the whole Home vs. Pro > debate rather > inconsequential. > > It is inconsequential only if you have ready access > to a pirated or > 2nd hand copy of XP Pro, or the skills necessary to > find one on the > web. > > There is really no debate here. If you need one of > the Pro > features, get it. If you don't then save your > money. > > Those of us in the computer industry have a tendency > to want the biggest > and best thing. That's fine, but not necessarily > relevant for > those looking for a low cost platform to run audio > applications. > > For most people it boils down to this: if you need > to connect the > computer to a network run by a university or > business, then get XP > Pro. If you don't then the chances are good you > will never notice > the difference. Read the various feature comparison > lists and decide. > But don't be afraid that Home is less stable than > Pro, it isn't. > > Jeff > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 17:22:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1DA03BED0; Fri, 19 May 2006 17:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dt05KO3ufnN8ttofyRH2Hxc+u0bt7tXt32mG/xfmetLGTgYdaJ1EdkSWeO1RuWyw7y39NKaEX9lU11pgTT9yvJU0BAKrGfuYHcCHjhvOt+3c0nwTGSKE1J+1wwrKbJxDOC9/82S/mspdelKDrOs8qAZIR8fjRjVIcqO/ccXb1FE= ; Message-ID: <20060519172205.87937.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: A musical problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:22:08 +0000 (UTC) You, my friend, need a Repeater. It was made for such things. I don't believe another looper lets you change speed while keeping your pitch the same and visa versa. Easily controlled via the front panel or midi. -> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Thomas > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: A musical problem > > > Hi all, I am having a problem with my looping. > Namely, I cannot easily "change tack" and speed up > or do other rapid changes. I was wondering what you > guys do to affect dramatic changes in a looping > performance w/o it sounding clunky or having to go > back to "square one". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 17:47:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937DF3BECF; Fri, 19 May 2006 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UdwODz/OXIGw/tM7XieD2wm5uBqL1Kq9IBO3ePbolf31+0OMxfOIdK86IJMhQTW/uhBPDkMO7SCXDRzp18U8q5FPIysueQMMJcDZg6SPRocX+r4awHbf71TwSPRajzSJxaL6UGcRKp+ZiZvfw7JvRLYv7vwR8ImfKbnPVaFeWhQ= ; Message-ID: <20060519174729.21078.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:RE: OS? Home, Media or Pro? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060519113723.01b503f0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC) --- a k butler wrote: > So would you concur that the main difference from > the looper standpoint is the dual processor support? Yes, I would. However, considering that I'm buying a laptop that may not even have a dual core processor (I've found enough of these shipping with Home or Media to infer that those OSs can run on it and use the dual core as a single processor) I sure am finding a lot of contradictory information on the web as to the question of Home using both cores of a dual core. My friend said it best, "as long as the feature is a bullet point that makes you want to buy the PC, they don't care if you can actually use it." Silly. Maybe I should just buy a nice little Mac and say "screw you" to the world of Windows. This G4 1.25 I'm barrowing is such a sweet little machine I want to hug it and kiss it and name it George. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 18:28:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F8F3BECF; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:30:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex trivia X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen Reply-To: iep@mail.dk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:28:12 +0000 (UTC) There are several credits for 'Echoplex guitar' on the new Scott Walker album 'The Drift'. Lots of droney [sic] repetetive noises going on though, so it's not easy to tell how much actual 'looping' is going on. Excellent album. Don't listen to it in the dark if you're of a nervous disposition, though! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 19:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49E8A3BEB9; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bf01c67afd$0d49e920$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00bf01c67afd$0d49e920$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:11:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: 2880 with Foot Controller on Craigslist for $500!!! 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--============_-1064056592==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 19 19:38:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 312813BED3; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <446E1ED1.3010100@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:38:57 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions References: <20060518150303.47263.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060518150303.47263.qmail@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:38:55 +0000 (UTC) ditch wrestler wrote: > (Never having owned a mixer, this is an assumption; if I can run two > separate channels into a doubled-up channel and able to control them > individually, let me know.) I use a Peavey 6 Channel/ 10 input mixer (RQ 200), it is pretty small, The first two channels are just Mic/line inputs, all others are Mic/Stereo line inputs, Mic and line have seperate gains, so you can control them individually, though they share the same fader. each of the six channels has an effect and a monitor send as well as a simple filter. > Because they're cheap, I've looked at Berhringer. But since I'm looking > for 6 separate, non-doubled inputs, I'd need to get their Eurorack with > 12 channels. This is the front-runner so far as it's less than 12"X12" > in size and is listed at $120 Canuck-bucks but having 12 tracks does > seem to a bit of over-kill. (But then again, so does paying more than > $120 for fewer channels...) I have seen an almost exact copy of that mixer by Behringer, it might be cheaper, but... I also have a Mackie 1202, but I prefer the Peavey, smaller, more inputs and faders. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 06:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F703BEC7; Sat, 20 May 2006 06:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: Looping CD Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:29:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 06:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopers, I finally got my act together and am about to put out my first looping CD (admittedly self-burned as I'm not expecting to sell large quantities...) It features 45 minutes of improvised ambient guitar stuff. Here are some excerpts: http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/2725_1_(gradual_nirvana).mp3 http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/656_2_(bypassing_the_void).mp3 http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/1325_1_(ontogenesis).mp3 -> as heard and seen (accompanying video) at Boise Experimental Music Festival http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/656_4_(pendulum).mp3 http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/3_115_1_(tentative_frictions).mp3 Any feedback is appreciated. Should anyone want to swap CDs (I send you mine, you send me yours), please contact me off-list. Cheers, Nico www.recpro.ch nico@recpro.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 08:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 836843BEC7; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HWmstfbiKbdWyrBGuIda/Hb4dKdEA6uNJOgj1BvZ3LMtcaB5tg/FDTwSVU6GF5RF7NMsHTUw1/aubrB/ZQgLTwQ6Ag5+kmsl4+y30I73O1QPPGqUUF6bVzhFVR75ZVXaNXySpPYa2bwqKRN3IDtOs9LQCXbJY3n0vkNEBK5pqFo= ; Message-ID: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 01:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Various Digitech pedals on sale at Musician's Friend...... To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:28:52 +0000 (UTC) including the JamMan, DigiDelay, & other X series pedals. http://recp.rm05.net/servlet/MailView?ms=MjEyNDAxS0&r=NjM5NjQ5MTM1S0&j=NjE1ODgxNzAS1&mt=1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 10:39:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D63B13BEC5; Sat, 20 May 2006 10:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c67bf9$955bc390$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060519170835.22799.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OS? Home or Pro? Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:38:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <6-sVE.A.pUB.EHvbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:39:00 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, 19 May, 2006 18:08 PM Subject: Re: OS? Home or Pro? > Thanks kids! > > This is exactly the information I was seeking. My > networking needs are few and probably very basic. If > it can see my LAN to access the web wirelessly, that's > about all I care about and frankly even that's not all > that important. > > Now if someone could tell me why this old Sony VAIO > can't see my wireless network I'd be in heaven! I've had two clients who couldn't get their desktop VAIO (vintage 2003?) to work with their Buffalo wireless routers. I was never able to get the Buffalos to be recognized by the machines unless I plugged into them, and diags wouldn't work - and the clients both gave up on wireless for the meantime, eventually replacing their machines. It left me with the impression that something in the BIOS needed to be tweaked, but I wasn't interested in making them wait too long for what seemed to them to be a simple solution... and so it was, after they replaced the VAIOs and both called me to happily say that there wasn't a problem anymore. I'd say at this point that it's either the BIOS not supporting wireless in some way (conflicting module? software revision in need of update?), or the wireless module onboard. Try to flash the BIOS - don't forget to Load Optimized Defaults for a single boot afterwards, before going in and setting the BIOS up again - and then if this brings no joy, try replacing the LAN/wireless card in the machine. HTH. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > --- Jeffrey Larson wrote: > >> >> > This of course makes the whole Home vs. Pro >> debate rather >> inconsequential. >> >> It is inconsequential only if you have ready access >> to a pirated or >> 2nd hand copy of XP Pro, or the skills necessary to >> find one on the >> web. >> >> There is really no debate here. If you need one of >> the Pro >> features, get it. If you don't then save your >> money. >> >> Those of us in the computer industry have a tendency >> to want the biggest >> and best thing. That's fine, but not necessarily >> relevant for >> those looking for a low cost platform to run audio >> applications. >> >> For most people it boils down to this: if you need >> to connect the >> computer to a network run by a university or >> business, then get XP >> Pro. If you don't then the chances are good you >> will never notice >> the difference. Read the various feature comparison >> lists and decide. >> But don't be afraid that Home is less stable than >> Pro, it isn't. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 13:45:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A413BEC1; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c67c13$a64413a0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RC-50 Manual - where is it? Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4lhpkD.A.aP.61xbEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC) When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info re: the RC-50- specifically, the manual? I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 14:24:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 800B33BEAF; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mIeDutueIkrnCcboRMhHYLJFnUf5koxWmnKkhMpSQptmG4HY31815Nty8J3aCOpbz9QtasnEIVCSxJDBi6m+EAKaNLwTb5FQ0t9FXzw2LF2xN3OuBlz+dw55KaiuUFuJUjk7fMvPzPxZ6Dq0gE1QkjB1CrnHwphY8UNvxt/EO4Y= Message-ID: <613c528b0605200724u26fe3498o52e8978831be763c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:24:33 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? In-Reply-To: <001101c67c13$a64413a0$d2e14744@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001101c67c13$a64413a0$d2e14744@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:24:35 +0000 (UTC) It's right here: http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List Alex On 5/20/06, Paul wrote: > When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info re: > the RC-50- specifically, the manual? > > I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. > > Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 14:57:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D1F53BEB3; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004d01c67c1d$b443b5f0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001101c67c13$a64413a0$d2e14744@BlackDell> <613c528b0605200724u26fe3498o52e8978831be763c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:57:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. The link to it on the RC-50 location where the FAQs, brochures, etc. was not active. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Law" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? > It's right here: > > http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List > > Alex > > On 5/20/06, Paul wrote: >> When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info >> re: >> the RC-50- specifically, the manual? >> >> I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. >> >> Paul >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 15:21:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F3843BECF; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Na8r3k912tpjbbNe8pKYBvjhyhSeqc07r3G0Y1KkEpqBtD1o8RFJlku2ErzCJMRW5fXIBefNPOAJlUV8rXxuZJO0Yg7WOiV9EJixB2ahYYU/089M/oFEYiPKRaJGoWzR2KoYgqq0ZTdtg4puaVO5dwBI1C+ThbQWF308G41Er1A= ; Message-ID: <20060520152151.4298.qmail@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c67c1d$b443b5f0$d2e14744@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1810589439-1148138511=:4013" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:21:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1810589439-1148138511=:4013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the link didn't work for me, either. I got some kind of "i/o error" message and then a empty and blank pdf file. ted h. Paul wrote: Thanks. The link to it on the RC-50 location where the FAQs, brochures, etc. was not active. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Law" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? > It's right here: > > http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List > > Alex > > On 5/20/06, Paul wrote: >> When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info >> re: >> the RC-50- specifically, the manual? >> >> I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. >> >> Paul >> >> > --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-1810589439-1148138511=:4013 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
the link didn't work for me, either.  I got some kind of "i/o error" message and then a empty and blank pdf file.
 
 
ted h.


Paul <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
Thanks. The link to it on the RC-50 location where the FAQs, brochures,
etc. was not active.

Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Law"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it?


> It's right here:
>
> http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/20/06, Paul wrote:
>> When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info
>> re:
>> the RC-50- specifically, the manual?
>>
>> I guess they haven't translated it into English yet.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>


Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --0-1810589439-1148138511=:4013-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 16:19:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102AB3BEC2; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nlLW7H00B30gjXLiDCgENMEjUQbGB4f1UaqvNXWgPZpgkXDS+vvqfKWVyrooJoZKxpWhgB/PoEcTUxi5vE+krK46Fz5FT/LV0mffwsSVNBAa39zlNQEyAp8fWwyiKLPmZU/kmqYs2qTcbYpOFFmpjrE61jzW5tuHpuhk9cnNaM4= Message-ID: <613c528b0605200919m1d189702v288a7319eff02755@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:19:26 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? In-Reply-To: <20060520152151.4298.qmail@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004d01c67c1d$b443b5f0$d2e14744@BlackDell> <20060520152151.4298.qmail@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:19:29 +0000 (UTC) The link I sent didn't work for you? It's still working for me - it's been there for at least two weeks, by the way... Alex On 5/20/06, ditch wrestler wrote: > > the link didn't work for me, either. I got some kind of "i/o error" message > and then a empty and blank pdf file. > > > ted h. > > > > Paul wrote: > > Thanks. The link to it on the RC-50 location where the FAQs, brochures, > etc. was not active. > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Law" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? > > > > It's right here: > > > > > http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List > > > > Alex > > > > On 5/20/06, Paul wrote: > >> When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info > >> re: > >> the RC-50- specifically, the manual? > >> > >> I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with > Voice. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 16:38:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B648C3BECD; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c67c2b$ccc469e0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <004d01c67c1d$b443b5f0$d2e14744@BlackDell> <20060520152151.4298.qmail@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <613c528b0605200919m1d189702v288a7319eff02755@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:38:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:38:18 +0000 (UTC) No, it worked fine. I was referring to the 'future' links set up on Rolands website for the RC-50 that are not active. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Law" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? > The link I sent didn't work for you? It's still working for me - it's > been there for at least two weeks, by the way... > > Alex > > On 5/20/06, ditch wrestler wrote: >> >> the link didn't work for me, either. I got some kind of "i/o error" >> message >> and then a empty and blank pdf file. >> >> >> ted h. >> >> >> >> Paul wrote: >> >> Thanks. The link to it on the RC-50 location where the FAQs, brochures, >> etc. was not active. >> >> Paul >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alex Law" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:24 AM >> Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? >> >> >> > It's right here: >> > >> > >> http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List >> > >> > Alex >> > >> > On 5/20/06, Paul wrote: >> >> When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete >> >> info >> >> re: >> >> the RC-50- specifically, the manual? >> >> >> >> I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with >> Voice. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 17:32:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B163B3BECC; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060519113723.01b503f0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060518220711.6D8AB3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060519113723.01b503f0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-187924363 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: moogfest Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:32:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 17:32:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-187924363 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed thought some of you might want to enter this: Moog Music is holding a contest to send two winners to Moogfest in New York City. Entries will be taken online until May 31st, 2006 with a random drawing identifying a winner to follow. The prize includes round trip airfare for two from anywhere in the continental U.S., hotel accommodations near the venue, as well as two tickets to the show at B.B. King's Blues Club on June 22nd. To enter, visit Moog Music's Web site. More information about Moogfest is available at Moogfest.net. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-May-06, at 3:40 AM, a k butler wrote: --Apple-Mail-1-187924363 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII thought some of you might want to enter this: Arial Moog Music is holding a contest to send two winners to Moogfest in New York City. Entries will be taken online until May 31st, 2006 with a random drawing identifying a winner to follow. The prize includes round trip airfare for two from anywhere in the continental U.S., hotel accommodations near the venue, as well as two tickets to the show at B.B. King's Blues Club on June 22nd. To enter, visit 0000,3333,6666Moog Music's Web site. More information about Moogfest is available at 0000,3333,6666Moogfest.net. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-May-06, at 3:40 AM, a k butler wrote: --Apple-Mail-1-187924363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 19:19:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8C663BECA; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5PEL/wAuH2IY91Aa8FAzlc2lzMaAy6q0/JoSMU9q220DhIuvLzxbA6o3qsmHz3Qh6HSDbW0/b0eOG+ajY77l7neItrOyrPhETeXXSiVRvZBvrp59VOWJB+qpFGzJFV3Bi+S4+arG7Bnx0rWqBjWFyefNrIJCAZX0JYa4S9t2uKw= ; Message-ID: <20060520191924.44746.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Various Digitech pedals on sale at Musician's Friend...... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0EmT1B.A.4dF._u2bEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:19:27 +0000 (UTC) "Loop decay and fade controls" listed on the MF site... is this true? Does this actually have a feedback control or is it just a fade? Mark --- John Tidwell wrote: > including the JamMan, DigiDelay, & other X series > pedals. > > http://recp.rm05.net/servlet/MailView?ms=MjEyNDAxS0&r=NjM5NjQ5MTM1S0&j=NjE1ODgxNzAS1&mt=1 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 19:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7B663BEC5; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 04:33:16 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2006 19:33:17.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E843570:01C67C44] Resent-Message-ID: <7B5JxB.A.WWG.A82bEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:33:20 +0000 (UTC) just wanted to follow up with good news for anybody with their eye on the boss rc-50. i've been experimenting with this one for about 2 days now and i'm very happy with the expanded capabilities for perfectly synched, rich, deep loops it allows. it's very user friendly, with everything laid out logically and well labelled on the unit itself, although i did find the manual downloaded from roland.com to be useful for working out some of the finer points. the only technical anomoly i would note is the fact that it seems to interpret tempo data received from external sources a little strangely, although it doens't affect the actual functioning at all. for example, i'm running a 120bpm tempo out of ableton live and according to the rc-50 this is actually a tempo of 119.9. otherwise seems very solid, definately the best i've ever worked with, a very intuitive and musical tool. leaves me feeling extremely excited to explore the future. cheers to boss for pushing the envelope of looping technology! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 19:45:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC853BED0; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 english manual Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 04:45:36 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2006 19:45:40.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[F96D5F00:01C67C45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:45:42 +0000 (UTC) roland has posted the manual for the RC-50 on their website. if you search for it at this page you will find it: http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/ enjoy! - nathan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 20:02:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E90F03BEC7; Sat, 20 May 2006 20:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iyz4i0jNojfbk6cBQZE1lGwtMrJo6fHAFaglEnfDi/1sfPoYzakOdQYmX/BXhDz+fVD9J6/YPsyV16rFmDoJkm55eKgnagzjOldzxIv6IgUjk1Szy7NIclMqmsg19WrVV1FYmy6NjtTweSRjoIIldnY25v8ZumuIlR/2YJD/DLo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:02:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:02:23 +0000 (UTC) On 20 maj 2006, at 21.33, Nathan Stueve wrote: > the only technical anomoly i would note is the fact that it seems > to interpret tempo data received from external sources a little > strangely, although it doens't affect the actual functioning at > all. for example, i'm running a 120bpm tempo out of ableton live > and according to the rc-50 this is actually a tempo of 119.9. I take that as proof that 119.9 BPM Roland time equals 120 BPM Ableton time ;-) I have many devices and computers here and they all tend to show different tempi although syncing perfectly by MIDI clock. Thanks for the PDF manual hint, I have downloaded it now and look forward for some interesting reading time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 22:35:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00DCB3BEDA; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.228.178.74] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <20060520191924.44746.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Various Digitech pedals on sale at Musician's Friend...... Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:35:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2006 22:35:20.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD1BC980:01C67C5D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Nope - I've got one and it definitely doesn't do this. I even checked with tech. support at DigiTech - that info @ MF's not correct, unfortunately.. >From: mark sottilaro >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Various Digitech pedals on sale at Musician's Friend...... >Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) > >"Loop decay and fade controls" listed on the MF >site... is this true? Does this actually have a >feedback control or is it just a fade? > >Mark > >--- John Tidwell wrote: > > > including the JamMan, DigiDelay, & other X series > > pedals. > > > > >http://recp.rm05.net/servlet/MailView?ms=MjEyNDAxS0&r=NjM5NjQ5MTM1S0&j=NjE1ODgxNzAS1&mt=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 20 22:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C1D3BEDD; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Problems (and solutions) from the world of loop: metronome bleed Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:50:13 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c67c5f$c204a720$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZ8X8GCFdo1bbleSVeVZC/Rg5qMzw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Dear fellow loopers, just thought I'd share a problem I encountered with my laptop-based = looping setup and the solution to it. A quick rundown of the setup: laptop running Mobius within Ableton = Live!, a Presonus Firebox fed by both a headset microphone (into Ch2) = and a guitar or bass (into Ch1), the main outs either via 1/4'' TRS (on = the Firebox' 1/2 output pair) or coax S/PDIF (output 7/8). A pair of = headphones (Sony earplugs) routed from output 3/4 within the Firebox, = which in turn is fed by Live's cue channel. The problem: when I played guitar or bass and looped it while listening = to Live's metronome, the metronome was clearly audible in the loop. When = it appeared for the first time and I found it when listening back to the = recording, I thought I accidently left the mic channel open and routed = to Mobius, but it happened a second time (and I hereby want to say sorry = both to Krispen and Rick, who were part of these performances). After careful research of the problem, it presented itself like this: = the headphones' cable was obviously bleeding into the guitar cable. Now = the guitar cable wasn't a really cheap one (but not one of those well = above $100 ones, either), which can't be said about the headphone cables = (very thin). Solution: I took my Behringer DI20 active DI (which I bought once "just = in case" and left it in one of my "small pieces of gear" drawers since = then - they go for below =E2=82=AC30 and according to the relevant = forums (gearslutz, recording.org) are a great bang for the buck), = connected it with an XLR cable to the firebox' ch1 and the DI in turn to = the guitar's output with a short patch cable. No more mic bleeding; = problem solved. The guitar sound: seems to be at least as good as = before. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 00:16:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB63B3BECA; Sun, 21 May 2006 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <063B1ED1-FBD5-481F-911B-8E6A7E1DD081@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brian Cass Subject: Roland GI-20 for sale/trade in NYC Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:16:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Not really interested in ebay or shipping these days. Anyone in NYC area want to buy or trade for my Roland GI-20? It looks like new, works fine and has the power supply. email me, off-list. - b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 14:09:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AA353BEDA; Sun, 21 May 2006 14:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:08:01 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #477 for May 18, 2006 To: beyond_em Yahoogroups List , ASMID Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List , ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , tangerinedream Yahhogroups List , Electronic Music 2000 Yahoogroups List , Jeff Kowal , Daniel Pipitone , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Philly Ambient Yahoogroups Mailing List Message-id: <44707441.4010508@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:09:56 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060518.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #477 May 18, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Bruno Sanfilippo. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Indalo" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Space Art" by Space Art on IF Records and released in 1977. Bruno Sanfilippo - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Space Art Aquarella Space Art (IF) Jeffrey Koepper Byzantine Machine Momentum (Air Space) Klaus Schulze Silent Survivor Angst (Revisited) Broekhuis, Keller, and The Diminished Song Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen (Manikin) Dino Pacifici Epilogue The Float Zone (Scorpio Rising) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Bruno Sanfilippo and Indalo Indalo (ad21) Max Corbacho Sanfilippo & Corbacho The Agave Emerges on Indalo (ad21) the Dry Earth Sanfilippo & Corbacho Lava Atmospherics Indalo (ad21) Sanfilippo & Corbacho Cabo de Gata Indalo (ad21) Sanfilippo & Corbacho A Lucid Dream of Strange Indalo (ad21) Landscapes Sanfilippo & Corbacho Petrified Wisdom Indalo (ad21) Sanfilippo & Corbacho Signs of Former Indalo (ad21) Experiences 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Bruno Sanfilippo. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "ad libitum" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Electronical Dreams" by various artists on Brain Records and released in 1975. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 17:08:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 423BD3BED9; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 02:08:28 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2006 17:08:32.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[305A19F0:01C67CF9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC) that's right, it's still synchs precisely despite the different tempo values. after a bit more use, i feel even more impressed and comfortable with the rc-50. customizable pedal functions + simple interface = the device itself almost ceases to exist between you and the sound you are creating. i put a little mixing board in front and it really feels like the sky's the limit, unfolding in real time. nice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 17:25:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DF9E3BEDB; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c67cfb$89ca9b70$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001101c67c13$a64413a0$d2e14744@BlackDell> <613c528b0605200724u26fe3498o52e8978831be763c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:25:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Hooray. I finally found what I was looking for. In 'Single mode' (whatever that means), the 'phrases' appear to operate like regular loops in the EDP (for example). Hence, one can use the 3 phrases like 3 loops in the EDP more or less. One can switch between them and control whether the loop ends and switches to the next or immediately switches. Only 3 loops in that mode, but that can work for a lot of stuff I'm interested in doing. Thanks for the link. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Law" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? > It's right here: > > http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index.cfm?SEARCHBY=PrNm&SPRNM=RC%2D50#List > > Alex > > On 5/20/06, Paul wrote: >> When the heck is Roland going to update their website with concrete info >> re: >> the RC-50- specifically, the manual? >> >> I guess they haven't translated it into English yet. >> >> Paul >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 19:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076C43BED2; Sun, 21 May 2006 19:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f/nCDp6Q/pBSQkyxzVC+aOKMABYkheQiiUhekBW3b9SHjq+NfTviqJJ+5+caB5pELNl+HSaxntNAhug7SU/gF3rSkRbzrnGkCbWu/ln6YMLhrD3X51v0BxpaNJGnHbCjR1bZji72QuEpBl36XFgUD1dX9pkYi1LsZWbF9eLTcdo= Message-ID: <613c528b0605211214m54085009h61e9eb8d6d6f7b0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:14:19 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Manual - where is it? In-Reply-To: <001401c67cfb$89ca9b70$d2e14744@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060520082850.45004.qmail@web34809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001101c67c13$a64413a0$d2e14744@BlackDell> <613c528b0605200724u26fe3498o52e8978831be763c@mail.gmail.com> <001401c67cfb$89ca9b70$d2e14744@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:14:21 +0000 (UTC) > Only 3 loops in that mode, but that can work for a lot of stuff I'm > interested in doing. > > Thanks for the link. Welcome! You know what though, it's only three phrases *per patch*, and given that single mode doesn't let you play more than one loop at a time, I read that to mean 3 times 99 really... Further, it seems that you can specify that you switch to the next *patch* at the end of a phrase rather than immediately, not just the next *phrase*... I tell ya, the suspense is killing me... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 19:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EF1A3BED6; Sun, 21 May 2006 19:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <063B1ED1-FBD5-481F-911B-8E6A7E1DD081@the0verclock.com> References: <063B1ED1-FBD5-481F-911B-8E6A7E1DD081@the0verclock.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:55:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:55:52 +0000 (UTC) I recently bought some Compact Flash Cards rated at 100X speed for use in my Electrix Repeater (OS 1.1) because my 80X cards were unable to record in reverse without generating the CFC TOO SLOW error... My new 100X cards cannot even record a single track ( in the normal directiion) without the same error... WTF? Any and all of these cards work perfectly in my EH2880... running 6 tracks forward or reverse... Anyone have any information about this? -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 20:23:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E62D3BED8; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:23:14 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001201c67d14$63d0e410$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZ9EJDdB0Guna5ERHyiTsTx+MWv9wAA2ANw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:23:20 +0000 (UTC) The way I understood this, the important feature of the cards is their chipset. If they have a Hitachi chipset AND the correct speed rating (or higher), they work, if not, they do not, now matter how fast they are=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Mai 2006 21:56 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? >=20 > I recently bought some Compact Flash Cards rated at 100X=20 > speed for use in my Electrix Repeater (OS 1.1) because my=20 > 80X cards were unable to record in reverse without generating=20 > the CFC TOO SLOW error... My new 100X cards cannot even=20 > record a single track ( in the normal directiion) without=20 > the same error... WTF? Any and all of these cards work=20 > perfectly in my EH2880... running 6 tracks forward or reverse... >=20 > Anyone have any information about this? > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 20:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C533BED9; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001201c67d14$63d0e410$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <001201c67d14$63d0e410$0101a8c0@succubus> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:26:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: AW: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Is this a hardware problem with the repeater? The=20 EH 2880 is fine with ALL of my cards... >The way I understood this, the important feature of the cards is their >chipset. If they have a Hitachi chipset AND the correct speed rating (or >higher), they work, if not, they do not, now matter how fast they are > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Mai 2006 21:56 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? >> >> I recently bought some Compact Flash Cards rated at 100X >> speed for use in my Electrix Repeater (OS 1.1) because my >> 80X cards were unable to record in reverse without generating >> the CFC TOO SLOW error... My new 100X cards cannot even >> record a single track ( in the normal directiion) without >> the same error... WTF? Any and all of these cards work >> perfectly in my EH2880... running 6 tracks forward or reverse... >> >> Anyone have any information about this? >> -- >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 20:36:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B86783BEE1; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.188.43.217] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <001201c67d14$63d0e410$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: AW: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:35:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2006 20:36:00.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BF35E40:01C67D16] Resent-Message-ID: <2Ap6.A.LoB.y8McEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:36:03 +0000 (UTC) It is not a speed issue. The repeater uses the card to emulate an IDE interface, which is different then just about all other devices that uses compact flash cards. You have to find one with the hitachi chipset. These aren't made any more, which sucks, but your timing is good because you can still get them from a company called pretec. For more information get onto the repeater users yahoo group, there are specific part numbers there of verified cards. Jon >Is this a hardware problem with the repeater? The EH 2880 is fine with ALL >of my cards... >The way I understood this, the important feature of the cards is their >chipset. If they have a Hitachi chipset AND the correct speed rating (or >higher), they work, if not, they do not, now matter how fast they are > >> I recently bought some Compact Flash Cards rated at 100X >> speed for use in my Electrix Repeater (OS 1.1) because my >> 80X cards were unable to record in reverse without generating >> the CFC TOO SLOW error... My new 100X cards cannot even >> record a single track ( in the normal directiion) without >> the same error... WTF? Any and all of these cards work >> perfectly in my EH2880... running 6 tracks forward or reverse... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 21:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CE4E3BECC; Sun, 21 May 2006 21:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.188.43.217] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <001201c67d14$63d0e410$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: AW: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 14:58:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2006 21:58:21.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACF92640:01C67D21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 21:58:24 +0000 (UTC) >From a discussion on the repeater user's list: *********************************** Nope. Here's the info. The ones I got use the old school Hitachi controller that's been recommended as the one that works. Apparently that controller is being discontinued. Here's the info from Helen at Pretec. Somebody is trying the Cheetah, but I just went and found the cards people have been saying work. It makes me wonder what they might change in the Repeater II if it ever makes it to work with more modern cards, because one of the huge issues has been difficulty in finding these cards. This is the only place I've heard of for a long time that has them and they don't even advertise their availability any more. Mike "I do have several customers looking for this type of card for the Electrix Repeater. One of my customer told me that he already start the testing for different types of card at this moment. He has purchased 1 silver solution CF card, Rensase controller, and 1 Cheetah Pro solution, which is using Samsung controller inside, for his testing process. This Hitachi SAH05 controller card is going to be discontinue in several months, I believe it's around June of this year. We are still providing this card at this moment until it's completely phase out. You can still order this card through us at this moment. " Here's the information you have requested for the SAH05: Part Number: CFH256-CR Quote: $ 70.00 / ea. Availability: We currently DO NOT have this card in-stock. The L/T will be around 2 - 3 weeks. Part Number: CFH512-CR Quote: $158.00 / ea. Availability: We currently DO NOT have this card in-stock. The L/T will be around 2 - 3 weeks. The prices for this type of card is higher that the others due to the shortage of the controller. And for the 512MB is harder to make; therefore, the price for this particular size is higher. Do you have a forecast for us? Do you know how many pieces will you be buying? If you have a forecast for me, maybe I can talk to my manager to get a better pricing for you. Once again, thank you for your interest in Pretec's product. Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly at (510) 580 - 8332 or helenh@pretec.com. I look forward to hear from you soon. Best Regards, Helen Hui Industrial Account Executive 1-510-580-8332 Pretec Electronics Corp. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 21 23:57:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E8043BED2; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <045d01c67d32$4ee8e340$6400a8c0@kallaiegbert> From: "Stephen Kallai" To: Subject: FS: Oberheim EDP Loop 3 w/EFC-7 footswitch Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:57:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_045A_01C67CF7.A2252EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:57:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_045A_01C67CF7.A2252EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi List This is the old cream-colored one. I've had this for a couple of years = and just don't have the time to learn it. Condition is excellent - = hardly a scratch on it, even the footswitch. Original manual included. = Easily upgradeable to Loop4. I paid $550 for it and would like to get = that if possible. Email me off list at: stephen at gelrest dot com ------=_NextPart_000_045A_01C67CF7.A2252EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi List
 
This is the old cream-colored = one.  I've had=20 this for a couple of years and just don't have the time to learn = it. =20 Condition is excellent - hardly a scratch on it, even the = footswitch. =20 Original manual included.  Easily upgradeable to Loop4.  I = paid $550=20 for it and would like to get that if possible.
 
Email me off list at: stephen at = gelrest dot=20 com
------=_NextPart_000_045A_01C67CF7.A2252EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 04:17:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B05093BECC; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vbJm5fqVTfPeqgJ/rEnECp/VQeindD/AYpRbBNzHcsYpv3gz8TjRcy5XKpXvNBJhrn5kFKpJFm5UNx28DNyQEmTJWtHq8VbToRs4rslZpIq1YFQJOMdv780/NyAMcOey3oaSQTEi+NhfqFSPHNxTndcpA3JPjnO2X7pWYgGPbYE= ; Message-ID: <20060522041730.73893.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 21:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Are you seriously saying that when you loop with the RC-50 it's like reality is unfolding IN REAL TIME? It does sound like a cute little looper, but without some sort of feedback control it can't help but fall into a catagory under units like the LP-1, Repeater and EDP. Mark --- Nathan Stueve wrote: > i put a little mixing board in front and it really > feels like the sky's the > limit, unfolding in real time. > nice. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 04:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C735F3BEC5; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents DAC Crowell (Rankin, IL) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 00:39:25 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c67d59$b487d540$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 04:38:28 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS =20 @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday May 23rd . DAC Crowell (Rankin, IL) Join us as we welcome electro acoustic artist DAC Crowell=20 who will be bringing up his modular synth gear to immerse and=20 envelope the PiNG in slowly evolving sounds and drones.=20 It's rather fitting that DAC joins us as we are celebrating=20 the Deep Wireless Festival of Radio Art as DAC has a fondness=20 for utilizing shortwave radio signals as musical instruments. Although=20 DAC won't be utilizing shortwave this time out, his sets will be=20 complete with loads of analog sound, modular use, and a surprise=20 contribution in place of shortwave via a Nintendo DS. Tune in=20 and don't miss this rare Canadian performance by DAC. You can read more on DAC's Fave Musical Instrument here http://www.creativesynth.com/BESTOF/RadioMusic/BO_RM1.html Hear some DAC here: http://www.magnatune.com/artists/dac_crowell and here: http://www.myspace.com/daccrowell=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Music From The Galaxies by Dr. Fiorella Terenzi Check out http://www.fiorella.com for more on this 1991 release of=20 Acoustic Astronomy by the good doctor. Between Sets CD . Deep Blue by Wally Jericho Visit http://www.pingthings.com/WJdeep.htm to find out more about this week's between set CD and tune in to=20 ping things radio every Sun & Wed from 9pm to 12 midnight EST=20 at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment to hear music from this and other discs in the ping things catalogue. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG Tuesday May 30th . Gnostic Rocket (Steve Barber)=20 and Morgan Doctor Gnostic Rocket is an experiment in rhythm, repetition and controlled chaos. It is built on a foundation of dub and experimental music, utilising Theremin (channeled through a Korg X911 guitar synth), Yamaha CS-01 analog synth with breath controller, Korg ER1 drum machine, self-generated samples and the Springboard Dub, a custom designed delay/effects/sound-generating unit by Arius Blaze (www.audible-ism.com). No laptops here. Intensive delay and unpredictable analog sound generators with unusual control features allow a unique improvisation between man and machine, each=20 feeding into and leading the other. An attempt to dethrone the=20 tyranny of the mind and reify the body, Gnostic Rocket is a=20 one-man project of Toronto-based Steve Barber, who has=20 performed with a diverse roster of artists including: Keyop,=20 The Weights, Syntonics, Bodega, Alvy, and Evil Doers. http://www.gnosticrocket.com Morgan Doctor will play a stripped down drum kit / loops /=20 samples / percussion (including tablas and a Swiss instrument called=20 a Hang) and keys and will be joined by Chris Gartner on bass / guitar /=20 effects. They will be performing songs from Morgan's album=20 "Is This Home" as well as new material, which is beat=20 driven down tempo music. http://www.morgandoctor.com http://www.myspace.com/modoctor http://www.aporia-records.com/morgandoctor.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday May 22nd . SUNN O))))=20 8 PM . The Music Gallery at St. George the Martyr Church,=20 197 John St., Toronto . $18 advance=20 * Wednesday May 24th . C3R/Sister Ray Presents KEIJI HAINO STORMS INTO THE DRAKE KEIJI HAINO w/KNURL + Chris Worden Keiji Haino is a legend, both in his native Japan and around=20 the world. Now, for the first time in a career spanning more than=20 three decades, he will bring his utterly inimitable and sublimely=20 powerful music to Toronto. An improviser, Haino is proficient on=20 more than 80 instruments, but is best known for his incredibly=20 violent guitar playing, and screaming vocalisations. =20 A duo performance by KNURL (Alan Bloor) and Chris Worden=20 will open the show. 9:00pm . Drake Hotel Underground $25 =20 * May 24th & May 25th . Gary Topp presents THE WARSAW VILLAGE BAND Lula Lounge, 1585 Dundas St. W. . $20 advance * Thursday May 25th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians=20 who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players=20 of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East =20 =20 * Friday May 26th . RICHIE HAWTIN with MAGDA,=20 TROY PIERCE & MARC HOULE This Is London, 364 Richmond St. W. =20 * Friday May 26th . Synchro presents PRIVATE DANCERS w resident DJs DENISE BENSON & ANDREW ALLSGOOD Andy Poolhall, 489 College St., Toronto=20 no cover before midnight - $5 after - 19+ =20 =20 * Friday May 26th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT 9:00 allemano/ fraser/ walker [lina allemano (trumpet) nick fraser (drums) nancy walker (piano)] =20 10:00 colin anthony solo piano =20 11:00 aldcroft/ fisher/ fraser/ sorbara/ wilson [ken aldcroft (guitar) colin fisher (tenor saxophone)=20 nick fraser (drums) joe sorbara (drums) john wilson (guitar)] =20 60 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 218 . $10/6 =20 * Friday May 26th . Eric Stach presents THE SCREAM =20 a festival of New Music, Noise/Sound IMPROVISATION a 10 week Friday Night Series May 5th to July 7th Musicians are welcome to drop by and play Place: 105 Clarence Street, London, Ontario, between Hill and South, west of Wellington.=20 9:30pm -1:00 am Every FRIDAY NIGHT no cover byob =20 * Friday May 26th . Deep Wireless presents Radio Theatre 1 Radio Theatre is a Deep Wireless creation whereby an eclectic=20 group of multi-talented radio artists are assembled together in=20 order to perform live radiophonic pieces for the stage. This=20 year's ensemble consisting of sound artists Anna Friz and=20 Richard Windeyer, sound designer & actor Richard Lee, and=20 vocalist Christine Duncan will perform a two-part (one part on=20 each night) radio work by US radio and performance artist=20 Gregory Whitehead. Also included will be radio works=20 commissioned for CBC radio's Outfront by Christian Nicolay,=20 Micheline Roi, Debashis Sinha, and Damiano Pietropaulo.=20 The Radio theatre will be followed by a solo voice=20 performance by Kathy Kennedy 8pm . Drake Hotel + live internet broadcast on free103point9 $15 door / $12 students & advance=20 * Saturday May 27th . Deep Wireless presents Radio Theatre 2 Radio Theatre is a Deep Wireless creation whereby an eclectic=20 group of multi-talented radio artists are assembled together in=20 order to perform live radiophonic pieces for the stage. This=20 year's ensemble consisting of sound artists Anna Friz and=20 Richard Windeyer, sound designer & actor Richard Lee, and=20 vocalist Christine Duncan will perform a two-part (one part on=20 each night) radio work by US radio and performance artist=20 Gregory Whitehead. Also included will be radio works=20 commissioned for CBC radio's Outfront by Christian Nicolay,=20 Micheline Roi, Debashis Sinha, and Damiano Pietropaulo.=20 The Radio theatre will be followed by a show featuring=20 San Francisco plunderphonic pioneers=20 The Evolution Control Committee 8pm . Ryerson University Student Campus Centre, 55 Gould St. =20 $15 door / $12 students & advance=20 * Saturday May 27th . Mercer Union presents: Music in Alternative=20 Spaces #6 . Lions play music by Colin Clark and others Lions will play verbal, graphic, and indeterminate scores by=20 John Cage, Colin Clark, Christopher May, Michael Parsons,=20 and Christian Wolff in their own idiosyncratic way. This concert=20 includes the premiere of Staggering Numbers by Colin Clark.=20 The Lions band is: Eric Chenaux: guitar & lap steel Colin Clark: ukulele, harmonica, banjo Aim=E9e Dawn Robinson: casio, vocals Alex Geddie: banjo Janet Macpherson: synth, harmonicas, vocals =20 The programme will include:=20 Instrumentalist(s)/Singer(s), Christian Wolff Instrumental #1 from Scratch Music, Michael Parsons Looking North, Christian Wolff #1 from Scratch Music, Christopher May Five, John Cage Staggering Numbers, Colin Clark 9pm . Mercer Union . 37 Lisgar Street (west of Dovercourt,=20 south of Queen) Free! * Saturday May 27th . New Music Concerts Carter Double Portrait ELLIOTT CARTER @ 97 - A Double Portrait Elliott Carter, who last came to Toronto in his 90th year, is still=20 going strong and actively composing. New Music Concerts is=20 delighted to welcome the pre-eminent American composer again=20 for two concerts of recent works and a biographical film. Virgil Blackwell (bass clarinet), Robert Aitken (flute), Fujiko Imajishi (violin), David Hetherington (cello) and Max Christie=20 (clarinet) are featured in some of Carter=92s most challenging solo=20 works: Scrivo In Vento (flute); Riconoscenza and Rhapsodic=20 Musings (violin); Gra (clarinet, written as a tribute to Carter=92s = dear=20 friend, Witold Lutoslawski); Figment No. 1 and No. 2=20 (Remembering Mr. Ives) (cello); Steep Steps (bass clarinet); and=20 Enchanted Preludes (cello and flute). The evening also includes the=20 screening of A Labyrinth of Time (2004) =96 a portrait of this=20 striking musician by filmmaker Frank Scheffer, beginning at=20 7:15PM followed by the concert of solo works at 8:45PM. The Music Gallery at Saint George the Martyr Box Office: 416 205-5555 $25 regular | $15 seniors |$5 students (Cheapseats) =20 * Sunday May 28th . Deep Wireless presents=20 All Request Redirect Band with John Oswald &=20 The Evolution Control Committee For this live-to-air closing night show of the Deep Wireless=20 festival, John Oswald and Mark Gunderson will bring together=20 a "band" of Toronto celebrities from all walks of life (politics,=20 food, literature, music, you name it..) to take audience requests=20 for their musical favourites and throw these into a sound mix=20 rich in discussion and debate. 6 PM . Ryerson University Student Campus and broadcast live=20 on CKLN-FM . $10 door / $8 advance & students=20 =20 * Sunday May 28th . New Music Concerts Carter Double Portrait Elliott Carter with Robert Aitken NMC continues its tribute to Carter with a concert featuring=20 Erica Goodman (harp), David Swan (piano) with the New Music=20 Concerts Ensemble, under the direction of Robert Aitken. The=20 all-Carter program consists of two of his most recent works: =20 Dialogues (2004), for solo piano and eighteen instruments, and=20 Mosaic (2005), for solo harp and seven instruments =96 both=20 Canadian premieres. Elliott Carter, in conversation with Robert=20 Aitken from the stage of Glenn Gould Studio, enlightens the=20 evening, sharing his thoughts, memories and ideas with the=20 audience between performances. =20 Glenn Gould Studio (CBC Broadcast Centre): 250 Front St. W. Box Office: 416 205-5555 $25 regular | $15 seniors |$5 students (Cheapseats) * Sunday May 28th . AIMT and the Now Lounge=20 present the Now Series 2:00- Workshop- Joe Sorbara- open rehearsal with=20 Other Foot First =20 4:00- John Russon / Mike Milligan / Chris Gale w/ John Russon- guitar, Mike Milligan- bass,=20 Chris Gale- tenor sax =20 5:00- Ken Aldcroft w/ Ken Aldcroft- guitar =20 6:00- Joe Sorbara's Other Foot First=20 w/ Joe Sorbara- drums/percussion, Evan Shaw- alto sax,=20 Scott Thomson- trombone, Ronda Rindone- clarinet /=20 bass clarinet, Eric Chenaux- guitar, Ken Aldcroft- guitar The NOW Lounge . 189 Church St. . $6.00 =20 * May 1st - 31st . New Adventures In Sound Art Presents:=20 Deep Wireless Festival. a month-long celebration of radio and=20 transmission art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can=20 experience performances, sound installations, new commissions,=20 special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Conference Pass $150/130 (+$20 discount - early bird registration) Early bird registration deadline is April 14th, day rates available. May 1st - 31st . The Drake Hotel (1150 Queen St W) & Ryerson=20 University Student Campus Centre (55 Gould St) more info at http://www.deepwireless.ca =20 * May 29th - June 4th . The Toronto Fanfare Project Presented by Soundstreams Canada as part of the SoundaXis=20 Festival of music & architecture, The Toronto Fanfare Project=20 presents an eclectic series of formal and informal brass ensemble=20 concerts over five days in some of the great architectural and=20 acoustical masterpieces in the core of Toronto. More info here: http://www.soundstreams.ca =20 * June 1st - 11th . soundaXis Architecture . Music . Acoustics New Music Arts Projects presents soundaXis, a city-wide festival=20 celebrating architecture, music and acoustics that will transform=20 Toronto into a playground of sound and space exploration. For=20 two weeks, the city will be alive with concerts, interdisciplinary=20 installations, symposia, screenings and site-specific musical events. More info here: http://www.soundaxis.ca =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 07:22:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D62A3BED6; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060522041730.73893.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:22:03 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2006 07:22:06.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E65C3D0:01C67D70] Resent-Message-ID: <5ZvVf.A.zFH.haWcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:22:10 +0000 (UTC) m a r k - perhaps we have different concept of what it means to create loop based music in "real time". all i'm expressing is that this device allows me to construct precisely synched sets of loops by playing instruments on the spot during a performance, rather than relying on pre-recorded bits or staring boringly into a laptop screen. feedback control is not particularly important for me, and it's very easy to remove and add loops from the set while the other two are still going, not to mention the possibilities for complex layering and further manipulation and that arise when sequencing software is woven in. maybe you're some kind of evolving ambiance artist or something which is fine, but i can't really understand why you would attempt to deride my comments with a condescending tone. in any case, i hope somebody makes the perfect looper for you so you'll be happy. - n a t h a n From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 10:33:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74D43BEC5; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAMArcUSBS4dQLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060522104712.01b89c20@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:32:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: RC-50 Manual Comments In-Reply-To: <20060521202618.605193BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060521202618.605193BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:33:31 +0000 (UTC) RC-50 This looks interesting 1) It's possible to go direct into Overdub after record 2) They say it's possible to create an arrangement with loops of different lengths which are still in time with each other, though it's not clear how this would work. (page 59) 3) It's possible to move from one patch of 3 loops to another during performance. 4) A "Replace" Mode can be used to Record onto a loop while listening to the old loop (EDP Replace) and there's a momentary punch in. "Replace" can function as a long delay (0% feedback), so by using a mixer it would be possible to create a repeating delay with feedback control. 5) The 3 loops can each either be stereo or Mono 6) There isn't a feedback control, just a fade-in/fade-out ( but see point 4) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 10:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31C6C3BEDD; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c67d8c$c8ba8c00$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Reply-To: "rc_firth" From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:45:02 +0100 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C67D95.299D1F80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:42:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C67D95.299D1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like Boss are never going to appreciate the need for feedback on a = looping device. However, after reading the manual for the RC-50, I am = encouraged by the provision of a timed fade (page 49). Looks like you = can alter the fade out time over a parameter range of 0-100. Now all I = need is for some kind soul to tell me what the maximum parameter setting = of 100 equates to in seconds?=20 I need at least a minute of fade time (preferably more) so I might well = have to wait for the new 'Rang that was hinted at some time ago on the = list. Ralph ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C67D95.299D1F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like Boss are never going to = appreciate the=20 need for feedback on a looping device. However, after reading the manual = for the=20 RC-50, I am encouraged by the provision of a timed fade (page 49). Looks = like=20 you can alter the fade out time over a parameter range of 0-100. Now all = I need=20 is for some kind soul to tell me what the maximum parameter setting of = 100=20 equates to in seconds?
 
I need at least a minute of fade time = (preferably=20 more) so I might well have to wait for the new 'Rang that was hinted at = some=20 time ago on the list.
 
Ralph
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C67D95.299D1F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 15:17:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E59553BEDB; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:17:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 568, in=303878, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-d5sLB.A.pQE.4XdcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:17:12 +0000 (UTC) It's these sort of problems, despite my love of new laptop technology, that make me want to sell all my computers, audio programs, and find a new day job like planting trees in the mountains. As you know, I got everything setup nicely on my ThinkPad T60. I had all my cool VST plugins, including newly purchased Cycling 74 Hipno, with Mobius, and all running in the Chainer VST host. It was a beautiful thing. Oh, was it nice... ...but, as with a lot of you, I like to tinker. After our thread last week on the fact that Indigo IO only has line level input, whereas the Creative Labs Audigy 2 has line and mic, I thought I might try installing the Audigy 2 on my new notebook. So, I uninstalled the IO and installed the Audigy. Long story short, something wasn't working right, so I uninstalled Audigy and re-installed IO. But I wasn't in Kansas any longer. Now, when I run my VST host, Chainer or EnergyXT, I am getting some snapping and popping when I activate many of my VSTs, especially the Hipno plugins. I tried all sorts of things to resolve the problem....changing my buffer settings, frequency response, etc....no change. This has me baffled. IO was working perfectly, but it seems Audigy has hosed something up. Any thoughts on what may have happened. I was thinking of calling tech support, but I'm not sure who to call, as the source of the problem is not clear to me. Jeff.....I'm really wanting to try Max now. I may load the demo up today and see if I have the same problem. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 15:31:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6222F3BEDA; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GuxkmQxI0psWpbE2/nquhmqGvTzof8f6MhOGEV1JHtiebMRS8OqVJrb76JqpKcWAOPk66gUDUukXvxcT0Cdc44xk7FpX7DMU0pXwoki31rG15+1CGRQkgsapUylQKQazC6ClBb+cHBVoCBRbUVVESCyDSPDxJaMK8NVqxiMBDPI= ; Message-ID: <20060522153107.57582.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: late to game: myspace.com/scotthansen site (shameless plug) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060522151713.8B9B73BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1873733021-1148311866=:56813" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:31:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1873733021-1148311866=:56813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sorry for the shameless plug. i finally got a few songs on my myspace site: http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen 3 looping tracks from my "interior space" cd that i traded w/ a few folks back in feb. the shorter songs (i hope they are there). waiting for myspace to let me get song #4 uploaded-a live looping track from a newer cd project of recordings.... i also put some bad pics on there, & a brief bit about the songs... knowing my luck just as w/ my mp3 site from a few yrs ago, i get songs uploaded finally, and probably in a week the site will be sold/go bust, blow up or something.... enjoy....s---- --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-1873733021-1148311866=:56813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sorry for the shameless plug.
i finally got a few songs on my myspace site:
 
 
3 looping tracks from my "interior space" cd that i traded w/ a few folks back in feb.
the shorter songs (i hope they are there).
waiting for myspace to  let me get song #4 uploaded-a live looping track from a newer
cd project of recordings....
 
i also put some bad pics on there, & a brief bit about the songs...
 
knowing my luck just as w/ my mp3 site from a few yrs ago, i get songs uploaded finally, and probably in a week the site will be sold/go bust, blow up or something....
enjoy....s----

New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-1873733021-1148311866=:56813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 16:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C60CC3BED0; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060522153107.57582.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060522153107.57582.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-356382906 Message-Id: <388b73a8a0e6a3af6b82d59a1c65ab40@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: late to game: myspace.com/scotthansen site (shameless plug) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:19:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-356382906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 22-May-06, at 8:31 AM, scott hansen wrote: > =A0 > knowing my luck just as w/ my mp3 site from a few yrs ago, i get songs=20= > uploaded finally, and probably in a week the site will be sold/go=20 > bust, blow up or something.... > enjoy....s---- Luck can change. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and=20= > save big.= --Apple-Mail-1-356382906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 22-May-06, at 8:31 AM, scott hansen wrote: =A0 knowing my luck just as w/ my mp3 site from a few yrs ago, i get songs uploaded finally, and probably in a week the site will be sold/go bust, blow up or something.... enjoy....s---- Luck can change. Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 0000,0000,EEEECall regular phones from your PC and save big.= --Apple-Mail-1-356382906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 18:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A63A3BED5; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <419.1db027c.31a35afa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:20:42 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_419.1db027c.31a35afa_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:20:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_419.1db027c.31a35afa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nathan, i've missed something here - where did you get the boss rc-50? i have been told by several online stores that they will not arrive until june. my apologies if you've mentioned this already. thanks, john --part1_419.1db027c.31a35afa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nathan,

i've missed something here - where did you get the boss rc-50?  i have= been told by several online stores that they will not arrive until june.&nb= sp; my apologies if you've mentioned this already.

thanks,
john --part1_419.1db027c.31a35afa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 18:34:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D1493BEE0; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A5vW+NoHWmeprHH4tY8bjsbWW3g/xlRF2ebTUc/IXoV8yvimzRG5SOoOdvN9fZdMecRM5Ug7WA4V45YOqvsgA2NwotBBcwfIamC28jKhR9xuLP2jgdEgpMf6p3uxBvs6aBm5GRIYpMXkZ6GF0uHY5OCwXdqRle2spVL+BCXAav8= ; Message-ID: <20060522183404.181.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: snap crackle... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Could it have something to do with bit depth? Perhaps you're dealing with a higher bit depth of audio now and maxing out your processor? I don't know windows but there are mac apps that measure processor usage and that might give you a clue as to the cause at least. I know apps like Reaktor have this built in. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 18:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A173BEDD; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=frXRzp8NvsdLezlzhSwDF7ZsVCSJh8500th/5la66xlN71FWGii2VxmIMn8AhTY6cdh2ozYdD5ZNk+j6eexRMkArG+IJwaxV2D7S2CkoFiQxFH6A/qiQ7fcSZRbRl8C8MDnh5lqSTA5VuMLkWCUBAi4D6CI+LH/rq/J1RWTOJxs= ; Message-ID: <20060522184101.16481.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c67d8c$c8ba8c00$6845fea9@w5f0n1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Is fade the same as feedback though? I guess if you have enough tracks you can fake it by setting one to fade while you start building another. Hell, if that works I'd buy this thing. --- rc_firth wrote: > Looks like Boss are never going to appreciate the > need for feedback on a looping device. However, > after reading the manual for the RC-50, I am > encouraged by the provision of a timed fade (page > 49). Looks like you can alter the fade out time over > a parameter range of 0-100. Now all I need is for > some kind soul to tell me what the maximum parameter > setting of 100 equates to in seconds? > > I need at least a minute of fade time (preferably > more) so I might well have to wait for the new 'Rang > that was hinted at some time ago on the list. > > Ralph > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 18:45:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FEFC3BEE2; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YrPLLn23KFxZoOmqRueIANVJUSMsV82gnZWClkXA5WQ9thGrD2d5Rln1w8AsgL+ght3RUofVvCFr1repe4Y2/kpOLA8WUwwasXcORonEDpkPd+7EZjVxVMJxi3lR1lefjpR26s90q5YQpmYSnEopg/d+clcTABATOMR5vcJsyT8= Message-ID: <613c528b0605221145v17749979u78866e97776c2640@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:45:33 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions In-Reply-To: <20060522184101.16481.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c67d8c$c8ba8c00$6845fea9@w5f0n1> <20060522184101.16481.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure there are also numerous tricks involving an expression pedal. Not the same as feedback, but certainly an exp. pedal can be used to put a phrase in the background while building another... I picked up an FV-500 and an FS-6 in anticipation of this beast. They're looking quite lonely right now, but I think they're a fine play for optimizing the RC-50. On 5/22/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Is fade the same as feedback though? I guess if you > have enough tracks you can fake it by setting one to > fade while you start building another. Hell, if that > works I'd buy this thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 18:57:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3E13BEDC; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ux8blfmI9gwlouAMkpF4wHwK4WVKH7Vod5B6G1kN1ZEQIKE17v2kf0avLl5r3+tu3Ry7++QrrPlLlkXPKnHrNBYOpcuiEj2HshXVrexhewlhXoY3+IKAFZPxzSpunM9PLoZC5K2l5oGz8eUhKgCXIYXCxHFNeidCEj72PmsUaXA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060518154439.28947.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060518154439.28947.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0573E061-1138-4EE6-8965-950064085EEC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Swedish household gear manually looped ;-) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:57:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:57:49 +0000 (UTC) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six +drummers Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 19:54:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43D8F3BED2; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <447216B9.9030804@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:53:29 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a defragment is in order? What is your cpu usage at right now when the crackles start? Andreas Krispen Hartung wrote: > ...but, as with a lot of you, I like to tinker. [...]So, I uninstalled the IO and > installed the Audigy. Long story short, something wasn't working right, > so I uninstalled Audigy and re-installed IO. But I wasn't in Kansas any > longer. Now, when I run my VST host, Chainer or EnergyXT, I am getting > some snapping and popping when I activate many of my VSTs, especially > the Hipno plugins. I tried all sorts of things to resolve the > problem....changing my buffer settings, frequency response, etc....no > change. This has me baffled. IO was working perfectly, but it seems > Audigy has hosed something up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 19:56:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354983BEC5; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C67DD9.C7B3A22E" Subject: Re: Andy's comments on RC-50 Feedback Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:56:13 -0500 Message-ID: <7A35811FD08CE141BF576C0AD946D49B4D6DB3@a0116-xpo0113-s.swdc.ad.allstate.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Andy's comments on RC-50 Feedback Thread-Index: AcZ92cePd2BEP8AmRUq9xFVwFl4KDA== From: "Cathcart, Robert" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2006 19:56:15.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[C89CC3D0:01C67DD9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67DD9.C7B3A22E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, could you elaborate on the feedback for the RC-50 that you mentioned. Are we talking about setting zero repeats, feeding the output to a couple mixer channels that go to the mains as well as the bus that feeds the RC-50 and setting the volume to the bus at different levels to control the "feedback"? Thanks!! Rob Cathcart ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67DD9.C7B3A22E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Andy's comments on RC-50 Feedback

Andy, could you elaborate on the = feedback for the RC-50 that you mentioned.  Are we talking about = setting zero repeats, feeding the output to a couple mixer channels that = go to the mains as well as the bus that feeds the RC-50 and setting the = volume to the bus at different levels to control the = "feedback"?

Thanks!!

Rob Cathcart


------_=_NextPart_001_01C67DD9.C7B3A22E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 20:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F36F3BECA; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013e01c67dda$f78970c0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060522183404.181.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: snap crackle... Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 568, in=304350, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Nope...bit depth is the same. It's the same card I had in before where everything ran perfect, with loads of VSTs stacked up and still less than 50% processor utilization. It's got me baffled, actually fumed. I'm doing some more tests now. I'm going to load just one VST effect in my host and see what happens. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: snap crackle... > Hey, > > Could it have something to do with bit depth? Perhaps > you're dealing with a higher bit depth of audio now > and maxing out your processor? I don't know windows > but there are mac apps that measure processor usage > and that might give you a clue as to the cause at > least. I know apps like Reaktor have this built in. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 20:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45A193BEDB; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OQ6kxTs51kcfY3IBRwfVsHO3I5LGpCWQBKoRb2ri0Jk4bnM4AVC5N8MB5JX7B8XjBNUzmMOIvPm8ZDmU+nGwlWGHgHTpI/ke/Ckmy18dib7HIlJgjmkmDIGDLK6qvKgGvT6KasL00NDTKzqZ/YfKBsC/GGrofz/XY4wb1DdRpCE= ; Message-ID: <20060522201832.59352.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Swedish household gear manually looped ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0573E061-1138-4EE6-8965-950064085EEC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Finally a way for me and my girlfriend to combine our hobbies! I wonder what key her food processor is in... --- Per Boysen wrote: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six > > +drummers > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 20:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54C253BEDE; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: snap crackle... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:36:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071837@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <013e01c67dda$f78970c0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: snap crackle... Thread-Index: AcZ92v1G1n84BUXlTtWUhqq9J5UDWwAAn/wg From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:36:49 +0000 (UTC) > From: Krispen Hartung >=20 > Nope...bit depth is the same. It's the same card I had in=20 > before where everything ran perfect My first guess would be to check levels, if the sound card supports both +4dBu and -10dBV, sometimes this gets reset to the other value and screws up gain staging. The next guess would be that it's some kind of driver conflict. I would have expected that uninstalling the Audigy drivers would clear that up, but who knows. Go to Control Panel/System/Hardware/Device Manager and check to see what audio drivers are installed. If you still see the Audigy drivers uninstall or disable them. For the IO driver check the Resources tab and see if there are any conflicts. Even though you can usually share interrupts these days, audio devices are still touchy and like to have exclusive use of the interrupt. As a last resort before you set it on fire, you could reinstall the OS and the IO drivers just to make sure you're starting from a clean slate. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 20:37:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2803BEDD; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d1KOHEmt4RoAtCPuCIQqNb449C5fV3kwc0YbsELWjXA28ZFx25UgMD2dfaeAXWbJXE4vEusLCkYfIgF1AwIixMkpM8TmV+TEc177NqEru5aY9Exp/jQmABt9Asvl+N6qcVMAFLrdH8bONQXFTZN4DwEUZvZ3trYt2MRqzfGTHMk= ; Message-ID: <20060522203749.99968.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Nathan, Tone is something that doesn't translate over email. I was just making a little joke, not meant to be condesending at all. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I was more poking fun at how we all use the term "real time" as if there's anything else. I totally know what you were really talking about and if you'd read some of my other emails you'd see that I too am eager to find that "zen" state where interface fades to zero and it's just you in the moment making music. I actually really liked the prose like nature of that comment! If it means anything, you've made me interested in the RC-50 enough to look into it and see what it does. My comment also caused a comment about it's "fade" function which when used with a phrase may be able to give me the ability to fake a feedback "morph." I guess this remains to be seen, but I'm interested to hear reports from the early adopters. I have friends who love their RC-20s and I've seen performances where it's used to great effect. If there was any negitivity implied in my email, it was toward Roland who seems to be developing some pretty cool little loopers, yet seem to be ignoring what a lot of us consider a very important "deal breaker" feature: the feedback control. I don't know if you actually care, but yes, I am into doing things that are evolving and ambient, but I also love the traditional verse/chorus style of pop music that can be done with loopers. My hope is to find a single device that allows the combination of these two styles of looping. Speaking of condecending, I've also seen amazing shows that have envolved the manipulation of prerecorded loops and the use of laptops for audio (I use neither) so perhaps you may look to yourself when you make what could possibily be considered condesending remarks about how people make music. Mark --- Nathan Stueve wrote: > m a r k - > > perhaps we have different concept of what it means > to create loop based > music in "real time". > all i'm expressing is that this device allows me to > construct precisely > synched sets of loops by playing instruments on the > spot during a > performance, rather than relying on pre-recorded > bits or staring boringly > into a laptop screen. > feedback control is not particularly important for > me, and it's very easy to > remove and add loops from the set while the other > two are still going, not > to mention the possibilities for complex layering > and further manipulation > and that arise when sequencing software is woven in. > maybe you're some kind of evolving ambiance artist > or something which is > fine, but i can't really understand why you would > attempt to deride my > comments with a condescending tone. > in any case, i hope somebody makes the perfect > looper for you so you'll be > happy. > > - n a t h a n > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 20:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99B43BEDD; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UoTc3mIeT+1OuGVwZDlWWQZ7Sm48FfBGc7NE8gl0h5uPFpTkRcMvk6TTHX7+BZTwad/Xi+iuKOFIxpiZ7qertwClH8hRbmXHXGKt8nxLvFR62PW+UTCToh3uwgPl+fs2Xae6+hUAbUt07shPuLockiUY3AnKeZtrPH88h11wpog= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:01 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", but reinstalling Windows should solve the problem. Sounds drastic, but at work, I often find it less time consuming to reformat the hard-drive and reinstall the software than troubleshoot. Probably not the answer you were looking for. . . --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 21:01:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 825F23BEDC; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12661751.1148331707849.JavaMail.root@web16> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:01:47 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-4i2HC.A.VRB.CbicEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (so perhaps you may look to yourself when you make what could possibily be considered condesending remarks about how people make music) Boo. Hiss. A 'dig' at the end of an olive branch. -- Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > Nathan, > > Tone is something that doesn't translate over email. > I was just making a little joke, not meant to be > condesending at all. I'm sorry if it came off that > way. I was more poking fun at how we all use the term > "real time" as if there's anything else. I totally > know what you were really talking about and if you'd > read some of my other emails you'd see that I too am > eager to find that "zen" state where interface fades > to zero and it's just you in the moment making music. > I actually really liked the prose like nature of that > comment! > > If it means anything, you've made me interested in the > RC-50 enough to look into it and see what it does. My > comment also caused a comment about it's "fade" > function which when used with a phrase may be able to > give me the ability to fake a feedback "morph." I > guess this remains to be seen, but I'm interested to > hear reports from the early adopters. I have friends > who love their RC-20s and I've seen performances where > it's used to great effect. > > If there was any negitivity implied in my email, it > was toward Roland who seems to be developing some > pretty cool little loopers, yet seem to be ignoring > what a lot of us consider a very important "deal > breaker" feature: the feedback control. I don't know > if you actually care, but yes, I am into doing things > that are evolving and ambient, but I also love the > traditional verse/chorus style of pop music that can > be done with loopers. My hope is to find a single > device that allows the combination of these two styles > of looping. > > Speaking of condecending, I've also seen amazing shows > that have envolved the manipulation of prerecorded > loops and the use of laptops for audio (I use neither) > so perhaps you may look to yourself when you make what > could possibily be considered condesending remarks > about how people make music. > > Mark > > > > --- Nathan Stueve wrote: > > > m a r k - > > > > perhaps we have different concept of what it means > > to create loop based > > music in "real time". > > all i'm expressing is that this device allows me to > > construct precisely > > synched sets of loops by playing instruments on the > > spot during a > > performance, rather than relying on pre-recorded > > bits or staring boringly > > into a laptop screen. > > feedback control is not particularly important for > > me, and it's very easy to > > remove and add loops from the set while the other > > two are still going, not > > to mention the possibilities for complex layering > > and further manipulation > > and that arise when sequencing software is woven in. > > maybe you're some kind of evolving ambiance artist > > or something which is > > fine, but i can't really understand why you would > > attempt to deride my > > comments with a condescending tone. > > in any case, i hope somebody makes the perfect > > looper for you so you'll be > > happy. > > > > - n a t h a n > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 21:11:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2BFE3BEDA; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:10:46 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c67de4$3531a7e0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4lxAs.A.NnB.mjicEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) ... and once you have a running configuration make an image of your system drive using e.g. Norton Ghost (http://tinyurl.com/l8nnn) or the windows xp "system restore" feature. http://tinyurl.com/pbde7 (http://www.kratronic.com/recorder/Windows_System_Restore.htm.) Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] > Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 22:42 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", but > reinstalling Windows should solve the problem. Sounds drastic, but at > work, I often find it less time consuming to reformat the hard-drive > and reinstall the software than troubleshoot. Probably not the answer > you were looking for. . . > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 21:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F5763BEE1; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vfVBFHEjiMldKZqnnYuPs1/9JNPibocS0T4w841cEfJHG3NNZQRLb/aogkrpqexhgsE4shK0iuS/92NCk/eZPwvif2IYKi20pTgfIYejbqrKGejPJqhpASJ0ZBdDJee3YLOcL1e8rKBw0t359fVZ5eV5BEhCL54+qA/49kp99/Q= ; Message-ID: <20060522211200.69024.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3epqq.A.pvB.hkicEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, our IT dept where I work regularly just "burns" employee's computers from a disk image when ever there's a problem. Simpler and faster than trying to lock down a problem. Probably a good idea for me to do as well as who knows how many hours I've spent tracking down a problem when I could have just restored from an earlier disk image. I hope I can remember my own advise, as my new Thinkpad will soon be on it's way! I managed to find one that will give me the performance I need and leave cash left over for some software too. Time to shit and get off the pot as my mom would say. Wish me luck in the world of computer based synthesis. 5 hours of playing with a demo of Reaktor in conjunction with a P5 data glove was more than enough to convince me it's worth it. Mark --- Art Simon wrote: > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes > to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the > registry", but > reinstalling Windows should solve the problem. > Sounds drastic, but at > work, I often find it less time consuming to > reformat the hard-drive > and reinstall the software than troubleshoot. > Probably not the answer > you were looking for. . . > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 21:18:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B433BEDF; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:18:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <91Igl.A.bBC.ZqicEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:18:18 +0000 (UTC) At 1:42 PM -0700 5/22/06, Art Simon wrote: >Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows >registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", but >reinstalling Windows should solve the problem. Sounds drastic, but at >work, I often find it less time consuming to reformat the hard-drive >and reinstall the software than troubleshoot. Probably not the answer >you were looking for. . . When I used Windoze (up until this past year), I used to "hack the registry" all the time. You'd be amazed at how crappily uninstall programs actually clean up after themselves. If I had a nickel for every registry entry that was leftover after a clean uninstall, I'd be able to pay for another WIntel lappy. Most likely, you got a pointer misplaced. Either the win configuration is still pointing to the Audigy driver, and it's incompatible with the Echo. Or possibly it's pointing to the Audigy driver and that driver's been erased, so it's defaulting to the crappy Windows multimedia driver. Or they're all installed and something else takes up the IRQ before the Echo driver can load. Or something similar. Before you wipe the system and start again (and I'm not saying that that's not what you'll ultimately have to do), go to the 'Run' item in your 'Start' menu. Type "regedit" to bring up the registry edit tool. Use the "Find" feature to look for anything that possibly might contain keywords related to your Audigy card. Try "emu", "e-mu", "audigy"... you're intelligent; you get the point. Delete (or rename) any keys you find associated with the whacked out drivers, as well as any files you find as pointers. You can also look through the entries for the sound drivers (there's a section of the file tree on the left that is associated with hardware, and a section within that dedicated to the soundcard) and make sure that they're pointing to the proper place. You can also try searching for the Echo drivers, and make certain they're properly installed. Good luck. Last year, I had to waste a work day going through this duck hunt on my Win2k box, when a piece of spyware installed a new IP stack so it could wiretap and track all my Internet connections. Unfortunately, the "new" driver was incompatible with my computer and hosed all my networking -- turning it into an unconnected lump. You may still have to wipe and reconfig, but maybe this will work first. --m. -- _______ "Snakes, as the great philosophers used to say, on a motherfucking plane...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 21:48:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F73D3BEDA; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <447231E2.7030100@Hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:49:22 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Swedish household gear manually looped ;-) References: <20060522201832.59352.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060522201832.59352.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Anyone see The Steven Banks Show episode (few years ago) where the house cleaner and Steven got into some percussion-jammin'? Nice. No books, hair spray or toilet-cleaning, though! mark sottilaro wrote: >Finally a way for me and my girlfriend to combine our >hobbies! I wonder what key her food processor is >in... > >--- Per Boysen wrote: > > > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six > > >>+drummers >> >>Greetings from Sweden >> >>Per Boysen >>www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>www.looproom.com (international) >>http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- "Neither a lofty degree of intelligence nor imagination nor both together go to the making of genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius." -Mozart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 22:00:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BE713BEDE; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: FW: I want to sell your CD through our stores Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:00:01 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Check the forwarded message below "Original Message" Sounds great, doesn't it? Now check this: http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html http://dark-valley-records.com/vendorpro/index.html http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3378 Cheers Bernhard http://nosuch.biz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Adams [mailto:Mark@VendorPro.com] Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28 To: soundz@nosuch.biz Subject: I want to sell your CD through our stores I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and I think your CD "The Fourth Night" is perfect for our stores. We work hand in hand with the largest stores in the country, plus the thousands of small to medium sized specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the opportunity to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes & Noble, Tower Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ... plus the other 10337 music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ... check us out at http://www.VendorPro.com Sincerely, Mark Adams VendorPro.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 22:36:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79DE73BEDD; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c67df0$85367700$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Reply-To: "rc_firth" From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:38:59 +0100 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C67DF8.E5FF19E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:36:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C67DF8.E5FF19E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fade-out would not be the same as feedback. With feedback the audio = decays over the course of time and is ultimately lost; a fade out should = leave the recorded audio intact, and still in memory. The plus point on = the RC-50, is that this gives you the opportunity of fading the audio = back in, which is something I don't think is possible on most, or any of = the loopers with feedback control? We still need to know if Boss has = given us a useful parameter range for the fade; they quote 0-100 in the = manual, and this is for fade-outs and fade-ins. But if for example 0-100 = equates to 0-10 secs, then it would be virtually useless - give me 0-100 = seconds and I might bite; more would be a definite bonus. mark sottilaro wrote: Is fade the same as feedback though? I guess if you have enough tracks you can fake it by setting one to fade while you start building another. Hell, if that works I'd buy this thing. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C67DF8.E5FF19E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fade-out would not be the same as = feedback. With=20 feedback the audio decays over the course of time and is ultimately = lost; a fade=20 out should leave the recorded audio intact, and still in memory. The = plus point=20 on the RC-50, is that this gives you the opportunity of fading the audio = back=20 in, which is something I don't think is possible on most, or any of the = loopers=20 with feedback control? We still need to know if Boss has given us a = useful=20 parameter range for the fade; they quote 0-100 in the manual, and this = is for=20 fade-outs and fade-ins. But if for example 0-100 equates to 0-10 secs, = then it=20 would be virtually useless - give me 0-100 seconds and I might bite; = more would=20 be a definite bonus.
 
 
mark sottilaro wrote:
 
    Is fade the same as = feedback=20 though?  I guess if you
    have enough tracks = you can=20 fake it by setting one to
    fade while you start = building=20 another.  Hell, if that
    works I'd buy this=20 thing.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C67DF8.E5FF19E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 22:40:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6B0B3BEE0; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=phZncwdcG4a0uvYeJA0KdBLBEbQeZmSg7uXXcMZqr0yhcuqCvULYgf9ZDxzdptWuZwnhOtjCpJTBP8I2U/CzenIbsOWClaoBeBkBgGb6n3MuFUe5WzaqpxiUh7Hz84NNiy4MMGro6cOBVc3LaqiibA99Qg1Yuwdzija+a2ytqOE= Message-ID: <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:40:32 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: I want to sell your CD through our stores In-Reply-To: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:40:34 +0000 (UTC) if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is :) it sounds like a great deal though Charlie On 5/22/06, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Check the forwarded message below "Original Message" > Sounds great, doesn't it? > > Now check this: > http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html > http://dark-valley-records.com/vendorpro/index.html > http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D3378 > > Cheers > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Adams [mailto:Mark@VendorPro.com] > Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28 > To: soundz@nosuch.biz > Subject: I want to sell your CD through our stores > > I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and I think your CD > "The Fourth Night" is perfect for our stores. We work hand in hand with t= he > largest stores in the country, plus the thousands of small to medium size= d > specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the opportuni= ty > to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes & Noble, Tower > Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ... plus the other 10337 > music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ... > check us out at http://www.VendorPro.com > > Sincerely, > Mark Adams > VendorPro.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 22:59:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B3873BED9; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,157,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="208696374:sNHT28060136" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060522154327.0114cc30@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:59:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <001101c67de4$3531a7e0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Might want to try "system restore" before doing anything else. If the problem is driver related, you should be able to go back to a checkpoint unless you specifically disabled system restore. At 2006.05.22 02:10 PM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >... and once you have a running configuration make an image of your system >drive using e.g. Norton Ghost (http://tinyurl.com/l8nnn) or the windows xp >"system restore" feature. http://tinyurl.com/pbde7 >(http://www.kratronic.com/recorder/Windows_System_Restore.htm.) > >Bernhard >http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 23:24:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF4BE3BECC; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uN+8H7qnquSQsgADy6DAKyY6nkhOZA/FP0Wtd7th6xMWfl7KPlMauD0UxnFox+v2yt1Ne6YUGt663BRUK5HI3Q9lpU+9o/d8wrgu0V3P8xDp3jKKlA6KE5pq8zHQZoPzprb5sPLEd8FswzvPAgVEz190tlQYECvBimlBVky60LQ= ; Message-ID: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060522154327.0114cc30@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9QrIwB.A.8kG.2gkcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:24:38 +0000 (UTC) I think a while back someone on this list was talking about a sequencer program that lets you jump from part to part via midi pc message. I kind of ignored it as it was a Windows app, but I've got a Thinkpad on it's way and I'm wondering about a decent sequencer for it. Nothing fancy but I'd like to be able to create a part and then send a pc message telling it to go to a different part. Not crucial but could be good. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 22 23:49:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 510133BEDA; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nAT/F7CqJ4MRDRK3VBPoe8vcNkMghTSVUXi822emIV5cxpNo/g0qaivP2E4LFLx1zWB6INOoD9U19rOWmKAvRS2p/V0boQ5DJvuaTVCZRM+Z0k5iGYTg1NtRZteyGWbO5Jt3xAHaf3XmMUm5rKRo4qQzkLUmdG09Laun2w4ExMA= ; Message-ID: <20060522234920.34650.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c67df0$85367700$6845fea9@w5f0n1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2xN4wC.A.COH.D4kcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:49:23 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree, in a sense fade would be better than feedback considering how feedback works on most loopers with old loop material getting a % softer with each pass of the loop instead of a gradual decrease like a timed fade could be. Here's the question, how does the RC-50 behave in terms of going from patch to patch while synced to a MIDI clock? Is it somewhat seamless? Can you cue up another patch to start at the endpoint of your current patch? If it did it would make this machine quite the mf'er. --- rc_firth wrote: > Fade-out would not be the same as feedback. With > feedback the audio decays over the course of time > and is ultimately lost; a fade out should leave the > recorded audio intact, and still in memory. The plus > point on the RC-50, is that this gives you the > opportunity of fading the audio back in, which is > something I don't think is possible on most, or any > of the loopers with feedback control? We still need > to know if Boss has given us a useful parameter > range for the fade; they quote 0-100 in the manual, > and this is for fade-outs and fade-ins. But if for > example 0-100 equates to 0-10 secs, then it would be > virtually useless - give me 0-100 seconds and I > might bite; more would be a definite bonus. > > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > Is fade the same as feedback though? I guess if > you > have enough tracks you can fake it by setting > one to > fade while you start building another. Hell, if > that > works I'd buy this thing. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 01:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B343BED9; Tue, 23 May 2006 01:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44726AB9.8040002@knology.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:51:53 -0400 From: D Montgomery User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? References: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1s0XJC.A.j3E.ZsmcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:53:29 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I think a while back someone on this list was talking > about a sequencer program that lets you jump from part > to part via midi pc message. > Mark; If I understand, I've been doing this with a Kurzweil K2000 keyboard. The key is the arrangement function. I am setting up a laptop system to run Live 5, since it can do it a least as well, if not better. dm www.myspace.com/precentor music.download.com/danmontgomery From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 05:56:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7ADE3BED8; Tue, 23 May 2006 05:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c67e2d$9827a180$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FW: I want to sell your CD through our stores Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:56:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 05:56:13 +0000 (UTC) 340 $ a year must sell a lot of looping cds.... he is doing the big business not you Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:40 AM Subject: Re: FW: I want to sell your CD through our stores if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is :) it sounds like a great deal though Charlie On 5/22/06, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Check the forwarded message below "Original Message" > Sounds great, doesn't it? > > Now check this: > http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html > http://dark-valley-records.com/vendorpro/index.html > http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3378 > > Cheers > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Adams [mailto:Mark@VendorPro.com] > Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28 > To: soundz@nosuch.biz > Subject: I want to sell your CD through our stores > > I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and I think your CD > "The Fourth Night" is perfect for our stores. We work hand in hand with > the > largest stores in the country, plus the thousands of small to medium sized > specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the > opportunity > to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes & Noble, Tower > Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ... plus the other 10337 > music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ... > check us out at http://www.VendorPro.com > > Sincerely, > Mark Adams > VendorPro.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 06:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34D343BEDB; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=V7NoCEupHLyFsFj8aC363T+MgOtfpR9ROetXf+HFRyMqYf7D9SG4ZrfXfWT/kq9cmQIXk0m3+jWik6zuYI10wkJFSOpU0AX0m0E+SByyvdPmFhEzlwsaPSUslN1Q3Ojflht//ggertagOPg2S3CFkRTnbw4URr6M4wdAxJ9xOxg= Message-ID: <64b81a780605222302p573f03baw54a683f4f79cb1bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 02:02:03 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FW: I want to sell your CD through our stores In-Reply-To: <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_203620_5280681.1148364123775" References: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:02:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_203620_5280681.1148364123775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, my GF recently started her own business and put up a web site. Withi= n hours, she had a handful of "great" marketting offers. They were all to good to be true. Vendor Pro was, of course, among the offenders. In doing a little research, checking our web logs, the vendor pro bot found her site grabbed a couple pages and within seconds sent off it's email offering thei= r services. Like everything else, the same old con games have gotten tech savvy and moved on to the web. Of course, if they weren't making money, they'd move on to another scam. Makes you wonder just how many suckers are out there feeding these goons. Todd On 5/22/06, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is :) > it sounds like a great deal though > > > Charlie > > On 5/22/06, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > Check the forwarded message below "Original Message" > > Sounds great, doesn't it? > > > > Now check this: > > http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html > > http://dark-valley-records.com/vendorpro/index.html > > http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D3378 > > > > Cheers > > Bernhard > > http://nosuch.biz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Adams [mailto:Mark@VendorPro.com] > > Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28 > > To: soundz@nosuch.biz > > Subject: I want to sell your CD through our stores > > > > I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and I think your > CD > > "The Fourth Night" is perfect for our stores. We work hand in hand with > the > > largest stores in the country, plus the thousands of small to medium > sized > > specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the > opportunity > > to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes & Noble, Tower > > Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ... plus the other 10337 > > music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ... > > check us out at http://www.VendorPro.com > > > > Sincerely, > > Mark Adams > > VendorPro.com > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_203620_5280681.1148364123775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, my GF recently started her own business and put up a web site.  Within hours, she had a handful of "great" marketting offers.  They were all to good to be true.  Vendor Pro was, of course, among the offenders.  In doing a little research, checking our web logs, the vendor pro bot found her site grabbed a couple pages and within seconds sent off it's email offering their services. 

Like everything else, the same old con games have gotten tech savvy and moved on to the web.  Of course, if they weren't making money, they'd move on to another scam.  Makes you wonder just how many suckers are out there feeding these goons.

Todd


On 5/22/06, Charlie Milkey <pilotcp@gma= il.com> wrote:
if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is :)
it sounds like a = great deal though


Charlie

On 5/22/06, Bernhard Wagner LD = <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz > wrote:
> Check the forwarded message below "Original Me= ssage"
> Sounds great, doesn't it?
>
> Now check thi= s:
> http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html
> http://dark-valley= -records.com/vendorpro/index.html
> http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D3378
>
> = Cheers
> Bernhard
> http://nosuch= .biz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Adam= s [mailto: Mark@VendorPro.com]
> Sent:= Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28
> To: soundz@nosuch.biz
> Subject: I want to sell your CD through our= stores
>
> I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and = I think your CD
> "The Fourth Night" is perfect for our sto= res. We work hand in hand with the
> largest stores in the country, p= lus the thousands of small to medium sized
> specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the op= portunity
> to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes &a= mp; Noble, Tower
> Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ...= plus the other 10337
> music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalog= s ...
> check us out at http://w= ww.VendorPro.com
>
> Sincerely,
> Mark Adams
>= =20 VendorPro.com
>
>
>


------=_Part_203620_5280681.1148364123775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 07:37:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0F8E3BED6; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Dx6yVqQ0Wuotrg1mDzEQ+jpOYAU/BFmLDTrD93bn0UNQ2OvahhgE6J3Av6sO+YacSo5Q6UYXI1iI+0AtsU46gUJMbxSvLQe3vHKFH7TOngXrH/0f5GBe3roNDEcchdCXMarM/GgFc32M827EXVeZ4P8xw1TXyfTY3/eoJKohoBY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> References: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: I want to sell your CD through our stores Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:37:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <3FFiWC.A.3NH.WvrcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:37:58 +0000 (UTC) On 23 maj 2006, at 00.40, Charlie Milkey wrote: > if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is :) > it sounds like a great deal though Not talking about Vendpro in specific, but many of the new internet based CD sale shops seem to miss out on the fundamental factor that has to be there in the first place: a market. What does it help to put products on display if there are no people out there looking for this product? My understanding of this concept is a certain way of degrading the value of the product. This all happens because of the general character of the internet, the infrastructure that makes spam a viable business idea only because you can send out billions of "offers" knowing that if only 0,00001 percent of the population is stupid enough to buy into it the cost- benefit analysis will work out. While some enterprises are typically looking for actors that want to put out CD's for sale traditional record labels are looking for artist that motivate people to buy CD's. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 07:44:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54FEB3BED0; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qRfqY7ZAelV2Bf2WkKgCvQ+pxgtUHLNs2rOi48jPGtQVskbWCAkxX/3GCNM1jHPTyEbylrYMxq0pFClxDzvTfu+bamkPAgCp0T7fHR62yeJ/SwQrrroas9GR9+bsGyY5b8NHw81rXnznd41spIhxNL9JDRx+/wmV6wSa0Vw4IDw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <44726AB9.8040002@knology.net> References: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44726AB9.8040002@knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <27EC4318-BA5A-4D23-8837-19BCA035F213@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:43:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:44:02 +0000 (UTC) > mark sottilaro wrote: >> I think a while back someone on this list was talking >> about a sequencer program that lets you jump from part >> to part via midi pc message. Numerology does that. Any combination of sequencers, plug-ins and their settings can be saved as "a preset". This "preset" can then be assigned to any MIDI event, including midi pc message. http://www.five12.com/ (a modular sequencing and audio plugin environment for Mac OS X.) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 08:22:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC2EA3BEE0; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACJhckSBS4dVLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060523091857.01a8c3c8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:22:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Andy's comments on RC-50 Feedback Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #438 In-Reply-To: <20060522211202.100143BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060522211202.100143BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0n-WU.A.88.aZscEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:22:50 +0000 (UTC) > >Andy, could you elaborate on the feedback for the RC-50 that you >mentioned. Are we talking about setting zero repeats, feeding the >output to a couple mixer channels that go to the mains as well as >the bus that feeds the RC-50 and setting the volume to the bus at >different levels to control the "feedback"? yep, and keep in mind that the RC-50 has an 2 stereo outputs, and that any loop can be sent to either. So it would be possible to play other loops at the same time as working the feedback trick >Thanks!! andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 10:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A39A3BEDF; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060522203749.99968.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:17:00 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2006 10:17:01.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[08623630:01C67E52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:17:04 +0000 (UTC) m a r k - fair enough, sorry to have negatively misinterpreted the object of your comments. i wasn't trying to dis on laptop performers either (i myself am one), but it's hard to deny that performances carried out soley by mouse click are not very exciting visually (unless you get some video projections involved!). so far as the "fade" feature, it appears that a linear fade lasting about 21 seconds is the maximum possibility, regardless of tempo. however by connecting a volume style foot pedal controller you can regulate the volume of individual phrases as you see fit. or you could assign phrase volume to a midi cc and automate it through software. not perfect replacements for real feedback control by any means, but perhaps workable. maybe they'll incorporate feedback control in future editions of the rc-50, at which point i'll no doubt sell mine on ebay and buy a fresh one! until then, i still feel this is a fantastic tool for people who don't fancy carrying rack effects around with them, and a fairly versatile one. - n a t h a n From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 14:23:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C181D3BEDC; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c67e74$9625bec0$fcb85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: I want to sell your CD through our stores Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:24:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:23:38 +0000 (UTC) > > if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is :) > > it sounds like a great deal though > > This all happens because of the general character of the internet, the > infrastructure that makes spam a viable business idea only because > you can send out billions of "offers" knowing that if only 0,00001 > percent of the population is stupid enough to buy into it the cost- > benefit analysis will work out. This saturation marks the beginning of a steep decline in the ability of honest consumers to actually view the mass of information. At this point, I've nearly given up on trying to keep up with it all. After years of excitedly watching the information revolution, and internet growth, I'm becoming weary with all the viruses, os glitches, self-installing disasters from various honest vendors. It's a bit much... -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 14:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8D83BEE7; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <063B1ED1-FBD5-481F-911B-8E6A7E1DD081@the0verclock.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:47:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Can someone provide or at least help me find the definitive list for repeater cards? -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 15:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1753BEC2; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,161,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="209478812:sNHT27228360" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060523083118.010c3bf0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:36:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: I want to sell your CD through our stores In-Reply-To: References: <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> <913728d60605221540j2051f47chd058d2ebbac69567@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:40 +0000 (UTC) You might find this article tangentially interesting: http://www.thelongtail.com/the_long_tail/faq/index.html It's a positive spin on the character of internet sales/distribution (not about spam but about availability of titles, etc). But as you point out, marketing is different than sales. At 2006.05.23 12:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >Not talking about Vendpro in specific, but many of the new internet >based CD sale shops seem to miss out on the fundamental factor that >has to be there in the first place: a market. > >What does it help to put products on display if there are no people >out there looking for this product? My understanding of this concept >is a certain way of degrading the value of the product. This all >happens because of the general character of the internet, the >infrastructure that makes spam a viable business idea only because >you can send out billions of "offers" knowing that if only 0,00001 >percent of the population is stupid enough to buy into it the cost- >benefit analysis will work out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 15:43:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27B113BEDE; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GojRj0H8cziMG63BmmZhK1O23PUl5FDIZg5Hy7nBftyvlE/kwXbyhDGzpWBD7AxUdxitSUkJKN6zQu3rDX1vQJbpAogEGlkBGM+CxAFrGhzP8Hynxr/1l9LiIFpdxIFTltrOFfUJWgXdpFDr/+YXHBpUoLvIn0XWUBgMMKe/IhI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605230843t10415080w115ea18c232ae204@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:43:19 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <063B1ED1-FBD5-481F-911B-8E6A7E1DD081@the0verclock.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:43:23 +0000 (UTC) On 5/23/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Can someone provide or at least help me find the definitive list for > repeater cards? I think there is only one available choice: Pretec cards with the Hitachi Controller It is my understanding (from when I had my repeater and actively read the yahoo repeater group) that no other fully compatible cards are available. --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 15:47:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5AF3BEF5; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605230843t10415080w115ea18c232ae204@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:47:16 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 05/23/2006 11:48:15 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:47:40 +0000 (UTC) http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9691&page=0&fpart=all >From the Electrix forum, dated 4/16/06 *********************************************************************************************************************************************** You can buy 256MB and 512MB tested, proven and guaranteed Repeater and Repeater MK2 CF cards at the links below. 256MB Electrix Repeater & Repeater MK2 CF Card 512MB Electrix Repeater & Repeater MK2 CF Card "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 05/23/2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? Please respond to Loopers-Delight On 5/23/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Can someone provide or at least help me find the definitive list for > repeater cards? I think there is only one available choice: Pretec cards with the Hitachi Controller It is my understanding (from when I had my repeater and actively read the yahoo repeater group) that no other fully compatible cards are available. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 15:57:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BEC43BEF0; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <447330ED.8050808@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:57:33 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? References: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:57:38 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I think a while back someone on this list was talking > about a sequencer program that lets you jump from part > to part via midi pc message. Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) By the way, does it have to be program change? andr'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 16:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FD4D3BEEC; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gonFJgDV3QXd/eYCUIm3zRfJxNfXYH4NkRuNJy77uGH4YQ1YVg1214hqEO6OwTNUlI7rIjAxiUro6QYFiAULgN5m7z+n4CpL7n9IdZIi+uGBZQwFgxmPPhyYdobipzr5Y50VO0hlMJO+tMdCKh+ezk5kddu0Tdp0jMyncJ/Pe74= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605230915i34a9f9faj78b04d391bb06dbf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:15:20 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Compact Flash cards for Repeater?? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605230843t10415080w115ea18c232ae204@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:15:23 +0000 (UTC) It appears from the pictures that the link takes you to a site selling the Pretec cards with Hitachi Controllers. On 5/23/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=3D0&Board=3D9&Numb= er=3D9691&page=3D0&fpart=3Dall > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 16:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F873BEFA; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:26:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <447330ED.8050808@post.cybercity.dk> Thread-Index: AcZ+gZ5lxXpKxGZoSVeDJQ2Qr6aXtQABAahw Message-Id: <20060523162646.051093BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Also, I 'think' the recent version of ableton live has that capability. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:58 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc > message? > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > I think a while back someone on this list was talking > > about a sequencer program that lets you jump from part > > to part via midi pc message. > Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) > > By the way, does it have to be program change? > > andr'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 16:33:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F31F3BEEE; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:33:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060523162646.051093BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcZ+gZ5lxXpKxGZoSVeDJQ2Qr6aXtQABAahwAAA8HPA= Message-Id: <20060523163330.1D0033BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:33:30 +0000 (UTC) This was the ableton 5 feature I was referring to ... Launchable Arrangement Locators offer arrangement/song-position markers with MIDI mapping and quantized recall. Using the mouse, computer keys or MIDI messages, you can drop locators on the fly during playback or recording. Each locator can be named and assigned to a computer key or MIDI message. Jumping to a locator is subject to real-time quantization, just like launching Session View clips and scenes. Previous/Next buttons allow you to jump from locator to locator. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc > message? > > Also, I 'think' the recent version of ableton live has that capability. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:58 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc > > message? > > > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I think a while back someone on this list was talking > > > about a sequencer program that lets you jump from part > > > to part via midi pc message. > > Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) > > > > By the way, does it have to be program change? > > > > andr'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 16:48:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9B553BEF8; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uE2ffnAMaIlQPWh+a0ehbrEzP9YFASSwYtILSeyX9mjR6zw6FC5d4sLw6nDgR51otSfhdBmLrPRuVoO1SAzALyBoeOq345bmI25e+wRfwA2TKMULtOD8aRLcUr5q/6LliS41X5t00mE0+VTmjR8MqR1/H4/jap/nIj3jNQbvxtU= ; Message-ID: <20060523164810.36621.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <27EC4318-BA5A-4D23-8837-19BCA035F213@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0CA8J.A.mCH.MzzcEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Per=da'man. Much thanks. --- Per Boysen wrote: > > mark sottilaro wrote: > >> I think a while back someone on this list was > talking > >> about a sequencer program that lets you jump from > part > >> to part via midi pc message. > > > Numerology does that. Any combination of sequencers, > plug-ins and > their settings can be saved as "a preset". > This "preset" can then be assigned to any MIDI > event, including midi > pc message. > > http://www.five12.com/ > (a modular sequencing and audio plugin environment > for Mac OS X.) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 17:04:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 159383BEF3; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VAhZVLpYqa30LmowPCIO/n5f3dSVKa46CK6JfDwETO4U/Q3liN2cNWOTl9HAIYF/hoXz9FYDR3BweL+Zf0FkDYvQdurKrEdxa2nd/hMqeTNpA3KUzAFi9xXADAn/AyMYH3BSB4Lmmc+xBaILXRxm3M3UoLGpE/aET5pC88S+Aa0= ; Message-ID: <20060523170406.93476.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:04:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:04:08 +0000 (UTC) --- Nathan Stueve wrote: > i wasn't trying to dis on laptop performers either > (i myself am one), but it's hard to deny that performances carried out soley by mouse click are not > very exciting visually (unless you get some video > projections involved!). ...and even sometimes with. My rule of thumb is, if I think you might be checking your email while playing a cd of your music, I'm out of there. > > so far as the "fade" feature, it appears that a > linear fade lasting about 21 > seconds is the maximum possibility, regardless of > tempo. Hm. Hard to imagine what that would feel like in a performance but it seems kind of short... > > however by connecting a volume style foot pedal > controller you can regulate > the volume of individual phrases as you see fit. or > you could assign phrase > volume to a midi cc and automate it through > software. not perfect > replacements for real feedback control by any means, > but perhaps workable. I guess doing the midi cc might be a decent work around, but I find that I like to be in control of that in a way that having it part of a sequence isn't. Per did mention that Numerology has the ability to do presets... I can't help but thinking that one of the cool things about the RC-50 is it's portability. Grab it and my Vox Tonelab and a drum machine and I've got a nice looping rig that fits in a dufflebag, is pretty powerful and sets up in 15 minutes... and won't crash. > maybe they'll incorporate feedback control in future > editions of the rc-50, Yeah, that would be sweet but I wouldn't hold my breath for that. I'm no programmer but it seems like doing sync and feedback is very hard. Even the EDP looses it's sync when in overdub with a feedback of <100, right? I'm not sure about the looperlative, seems good so far aside from the stop /play issues. I think the only looper that really locks on, no matter what, is the Repeater. Anyway, I think there's a better chance that we might be able to petition Boss to increase the fade time to something more generous like 100 seconds or more. > at which point i'll no doubt sell mine on ebay and > buy a fresh one! viva la ebay! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Take care, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 17:11:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB76E3BEE2; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gn0P7ybVqnDPa8qlrtZ8sLYrMukw2fElDNFrZ9HkAQWbL8TWsRDTLlK2FwZCNVG7orkRAKatzp9EpEGR5bjF9uqJlgdlEecAj8URuybokCx+Gmm/WdIEfYQHTsK9bDNA0xA5zUQuyFWD6kRZW6x+A2bjcZ6zXWM8/2Ymi3sCVwg= ; Message-ID: <20060523171059.71549.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <447330ED.8050808@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Nope, could be anything that the FCB1010 sends. (pc, cc and note) BTW, that's all for the tips. I've got Live Lite that came with my M-Audio 410 and that could be a reason to upgrade to the real deal. Mark --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: > > I think a while back someone on this list was > talking > > about a sequencer program that lets you jump from > part > > to part via midi pc message. > Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) > > By the way, does it have to be program change? > > andr'. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 17:21:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEEEF3BEDF; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:21:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060523171059.71549.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcZ+i94xAlbBK3HISjydk4Rsd5VmlAAAVrVw Message-Id: <20060523172120.388143BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Please download the demo before taking my word for it. event though I own live 5, I've never tested the feature. > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:11 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc > message? > > Nope, could be anything that the FCB1010 sends. (pc, > cc and note) > > BTW, that's all for the tips. I've got Live Lite that > came with my M-Audio 410 and that could be a reason to > upgrade to the real deal. > > Mark > > --- Andreas Wetterberg > wrote: > > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I think a while back someone on this list was > > talking > > > about a sequencer program that lets you jump from > > part > > > to part via midi pc message. > > Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) > > > > By the way, does it have to be program change? > > > > andr'. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 17:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B553BEE4; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <447330ED.8050808@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060522232436.25229.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <447330ED.8050808@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <6e68d52d4336ba491e43444b541b22c8@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: gigs in albuquerque and Santa Fe.... Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:40:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone.....If anyone is interested, I'm in New Mexico doing some=20= playing......was in Taos last night...beautiful here.... Tues. May 23, 2006 8:00-10:00pm The Blue Dragon 1517 Girard Blvd NE Albuquerque, NM info 505-268-5159 ($5 at the door) ALL AGES Jeff Kaiser Quartet Weds. May 24, 2006 8:00pm Benildus Hall, College of Santa Fe (Enter campus from St. Michael's Drive, turning left as you go around=20 the circle; proceed to the second stop sign, then turn right; turn=20 right again at the next stop sign, and that will lead you into the=20 parking lot outside Benildus Hall.) 1600 St.Michael's Drive Santa Fe, NM ($5 at the door) ALL AGES Jeff Kaiser Quartet Featuring Tom McNalley on electric guitar, mark weaver on tuba, dave=20 wayne on percussion......improvised music with a lot of looping.... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 17:42:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8E03BEFB; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4473499C.9090404@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:42:52 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? References: <20060523172120.388143BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060523172120.388143BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Well I have, and it works great, both in session view (which is the Looper's Choice!) and in arrangement view - but not for program changes, hence my question about the pc messages. Andreas Bill Edmondson wrote: > Please download the demo before taking my word for it. event though I own > live 5, I've never tested the feature. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:11 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc >> message? >> >> Nope, could be anything that the FCB1010 sends. (pc, >> cc and note) >> >> BTW, that's all for the tips. I've got Live Lite that >> came with my M-Audio 410 and that could be a reason to >> upgrade to the real deal. >> >> Mark >> >> --- Andreas Wetterberg >> wrote: >> >>> mark sottilaro wrote: >>>> I think a while back someone on this list was >>> talking >>>> about a sequencer program that lets you jump from >>> part >>>> to part via midi pc message. >>> Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) >>> >>> By the way, does it have to be program change? >>> >>> andr'. >>> >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 17:52:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C9653BF02; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y2CJgY2Hicxe//QOgQSFFh/4yZpvtBSn+ji8g+ybPN3ETLOkQI2meONlTJZwG5Ea2O0aesKQvFR+XCwDhalipftWip5TfpmE20EkfXHdfOnQ8eTpMHd9zT5jJyiOhoypvbnKyviX1tyZAMei09A57gCzsVoyDG1dGrF3nx3myDc= ; Message-ID: <20060523175211.14600.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Noises from Electrix about the MK2? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6e68d52d4336ba491e43444b541b22c8@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:52:14 +0000 (UTC) http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9691&page=0&fpart=all Hm. Make of it what you will, but that's the closest thing resembling information out of Electrix in a long time. I feel like a battered spouse. Part of me is still pretty damn angry for being lied to and abandoned, but I still can't help loving Electrix and thinking, "Maybe they'll change this time." Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:23:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 517B43BEDC; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: BOSS RC-50 impressions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060523170406.93476.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: BOSS RC-50 impressions Thread-Index: AcZ+iug6Q8ra0wrURL+KWVQ/2fIGJwACi49A From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:23:31 +0000 (UTC) > I'm no programmer but it seems like doing sync and=20 > feedback is very hard. Even the EDP looses it's sync when in=20 > overdub with a feedback of <100, right? =20 It's a slow day and I haven't bored the list in awhile, so here goes... The general problem is synchronizing while doing any type of recording. For those old enough to remember tape decks, think of it this way. You have a drummer and a tape recorder. The tape contains a pre-recorded song at 120 BPM. You tell the drummer to start playing at 120 BPM and at exactly the same time start the tape, only the drummer can't hear the tape. Eventually the tape machine and the drummer will drift out of sync because they are both following their own internal "clocks". Your job as a recording engineer is to keep the song playing on the tape machine in sync with the drummer. The drummer speeds up slightly, now it sounds like the tape is lagging. You have two choices. Through some technology miracle that was never invented you can stop the tape machine, fast forward it slightly so that it catches up to where the drummer is, then restart it, all in about a millisecond so the listener can't hear the adjustment. Or if you have variable speed control on the tape machine you can speed it up very slightly until you've caught up with the drummer, then return it to normal speed. Call the first technique "instant skip" and the second "variable speed". Now let's say that this was a multi-track tape deck and you also had an accordion recording on another track while the first track is playing with the drummer. The engineer decides to make a sync adjustment. Using the instant skip method, what will happen is that a short gap of silence will be inserted into the accordion track. =20 This will cause an unpleasant artifact when you play it back, which was already unpleasant enough because of the accordion. The variable speed method is better. Here, the tape keeps rolling, it just speeds up slightly so the accordion performance will be recorded seamlessly. If you listen very closely on playback, you may notice that the accordion sounds very slightly flat during this adjustment period. This is because the tape is being played back at constant speed while it was recorded at a higher speed in spots. If you had some fancy outboard pitch shifting gear and inhuman precision you could apply a bit of upward pitch shift to the accordion during those times where the tape is playing faster to compensate. Now warp into the modern era of digital loopers. The EDP and most other loopers that I'm aware of that can synchronize with an external clock use the instant skip method. If you were overdubbing when the skip happens, it would produce an audible "bump" when the next loop plays. Some loopers that use the instant skip method therefore disable synchronization while recording is enabled, the thought being that it is more important to capture the overdub accurately than stay in sync. I've never used a Repeater but from what I've read it appears to use the variable speed method. I don't know if it does a corresponding inverse pitch shift to compensate for the speed change, but I would expect it does. =20 So, going back to the original question: is sync with feedback hard? It depends on how they've implemented feedback. If feedback is continuously applied as on the EDP then you can "play" feedback by twisting the knob in a musical way. Let's say you were sweeping feedback up to create a swell. If we did a sync jump forward in the middle of this sweep, there could be a brief plateau in the feedback curve that didn't match what you played. I haven't explored how loopers handle this but I'm guessing most ignore it and do not disable sync while feedback is being manipulated. This is arguably fine because the distortion you may get is far less noticeable than what you would have when overdubbing. Anyone still awake? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:28:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2CD3BEDE; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rDY6ASGUGouUzWUJS47Egki/YiS2QHiOKCXRfKFG0fQjCeA4sC9Q7hHV9DVc5mJ8h0GQKggWBc2wH10Z9EtBIolJobjPpZtz5RZSfoMdTTn2nETscckWfCAKZ4j/1El01CW3Cez9BQAaGqin/yvRnrmb+1i9v0BrQmnPL7bTr0A= ; Message-ID: <20060523182827.9188.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:28:29 +0000 (UTC) --- jeff larson wrote: > Anyone still awake? Yeah, that was great! -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72E9A3BEDD; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: 4th International Linux Audio Conference proceedings Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:33:52 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01c67e97$73f8bb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <1Mw4gD.A._3G.dW1cEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:34:05 +0000 (UTC) May be of interest to some: http://lac.zkm.de/2006/proceedings.shtml Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D9E43BEDC; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <476.12ce518.31a4b0d5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:39:17 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_476.12ce518.31a4b0d5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_476.12ce518.31a4b0d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/06 6:42:35 AM, rc_firth@ntlworld.com writes: > so I might well have to wait for the new 'Rang that was hinted at some time > ago on the list. > granted, feedback is important but nathan's review has me droolin'.....so do all the meds i'm taken for my knee (or lack there of).....:) wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!.....now back to the rest of the 280 e-mails.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_476.12ce518.31a4b0d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/22/06 6:42:35 AM, rc_firth@ntlworld.com writes:


so I might well have=20= to wait for the new 'Rang that was hinted at some time ago on the list.


granted, feedback is important but nathan's review has me droolin'.....so do= all the meds i'm taken for my knee (or lack there of).....:) wheeeeeeeeeeee= eeeeeeeee!.....now back to the rest of the 280 e-mails.....:)m



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 --part1_476.12ce518.31a4b0d5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:43:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 572D13BEDF; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:43:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <4473499C.9090404@post.cybercity.dk> Thread-Index: AcZ+kFOfBUBVPk+nSVyRDfpEQ6RIrAABuewg Message-Id: <20060523184351.04CE33BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Kid beyond mentioned a utility to map program changes to pc keyboard events that he used along with ableton live. That may do it if program changes were the only option. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc > message? > > Well I have, and it works great, both in session view (which is the > Looper's Choice!) and in arrangement view - but not for program changes, > hence my question about the pc messages. > > Andreas > > Bill Edmondson wrote: > > Please download the demo before taking my word for it. event though I > own > > live 5, I've never tested the feature. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:11 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi > pc > >> message? > >> > >> Nope, could be anything that the FCB1010 sends. (pc, > >> cc and note) > >> > >> BTW, that's all for the tips. I've got Live Lite that > >> came with my M-Audio 410 and that could be a reason to > >> upgrade to the real deal. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> --- Andreas Wetterberg > >> wrote: > >> > >>> mark sottilaro wrote: > >>>> I think a while back someone on this list was > >>> talking > >>>> about a sequencer program that lets you jump from > >>> part > >>>> to part via midi pc message. > >>> Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) > >>> > >>> By the way, does it have to be program change? > >>> > >>> andr'. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > . > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:45:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5213BEDA; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c67e99$399fae20$dbb85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060523170406.93476.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:46:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:45:53 +0000 (UTC) > > so far as the "fade" feature, it appears that a linear fade lasting about 21 seconds is the maximum possibility, regardless of tempo. > Hm. Hard to imagine what that would feel like in a performance but it seems kind of short... I'd venture that a 21 second limit just might be long enough to still seem subtle, yet be a nice prod to keep things moving along compositionally. More below... > > however by connecting a volume style foot pedal controller you can regulate the volume of individual phrases as you see fit. or you could assign phrase volume to a midi cc and automate it through software. not perfect replacements for real feedback control by any means, but perhaps workable. Rather than automate it with s/w, just assigning the volume parameter to the patch you want to fade in/out would allow you to control it manually with your foot. My Boss GT-5 has supremely flexible cc control... deeper than most midi controllers, except keyboards. Great ability to control multiple params and scale the ranges, as well as control when they start and finish during the pedal throw. After comparison to numerous other guitar floor processors, I've found it's really one of the best implementations with the Vox Tonelab being a close second. As for sound, we all know how awesome the Tonelab is, so no contest there. What I'm hoping is that the RC-50 also has this sort of flexibility... who knows... maybe feedback really isn't that important if you can solve the problem some other way. New paradigm for similar sounding results. fingers x-ed! Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 18:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F5053BED5; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44735B7C.10401@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:59:08 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? References: <20060523184351.04CE33BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060523184351.04CE33BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:59:16 +0000 (UTC) yeah, many pieces of software do this. But since the controller in question is an fcb1010 there's generally no need for it. a. Bill Edmondson wrote: > Kid beyond mentioned a utility to map program changes to pc keyboard events > that he used along with ableton live. That may do it if program changes were > the only option. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:43 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc >> message? >> >> Well I have, and it works great, both in session view (which is the >> Looper's Choice!) and in arrangement view - but not for program changes, >> hence my question about the pc messages. >> >> Andreas >> >> Bill Edmondson wrote: >>> Please download the demo before taking my word for it. event though I >> own >>> live 5, I've never tested the feature. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:11 PM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi >> pc >>>> message? >>>> >>>> Nope, could be anything that the FCB1010 sends. (pc, >>>> cc and note) >>>> >>>> BTW, that's all for the tips. I've got Live Lite that >>>> came with my M-Audio 410 and that could be a reason to >>>> upgrade to the real deal. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> --- Andreas Wetterberg >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> mark sottilaro wrote: >>>>>> I think a while back someone on this list was >>>>> talking >>>>>> about a sequencer program that lets you jump from >>>>> part >>>>>> to part via midi pc message. >>>>> Jump on the max/MSP wave, my friend ;) >>>>> >>>>> By the way, does it have to be program change? >>>>> >>>>> andr'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> . >>> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 19:35:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8820C3BEDC; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b101c67ea0$0d09a1c0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: OT: Holy Flaming Tubas Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:31:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Ok, who's the tuba guy here... can you do this? http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.jsp?msgid=1147715534923 ;) Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 19:48:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 219C83BED0; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wgZ4Ug3YJNTmbjVtGhCDQBd81EABd9hs19668DOLBw/GDG1uHoAlCW6PzUmR7dIkRSF7hZ4jo1ciQSRa//ojxEanYk8QWX9yl+fnX0arCtgh7JRunNaTJjSP2Nl1O5HhRW8rUnjQPFW7cAli45TkvYAaDlMo3cpIt3SsI+WNgNQ= ; Message-ID: <20060523194147.97927.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-dW6M.A.cYC.dc2cEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Awake? I was rivited the whole email! Thanks for the explanation, I'd always assumed it was more or less something along those lines. Judging by what you said I'd say the Repeater's sync seems to work exactly like you mentioned. It's manipulating speed while inversely changing pitch. Seems to work fine unless you have a big speed change... and then it still kind of works but you can only get so far before you start hearing audio artifacts. Kind of cool though if you're into that digi-grunge sound. Mark --- jeff larson wrote: erdubbing. > > Anyone still awake? > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 19:58:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42A5B3BEE7; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44736960.5050803@biink.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:58:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Holy Flaming Sousaphones (was Re: OT: Holy Flaming Tubas) References: <01b101c67ea0$0d09a1c0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> In-Reply-To: <01b101c67ea0$0d09a1c0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > Ok, who's the tuba guy here... can you do this? That's not a Tuba, that's a Sousaphone. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 20:29:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382CD3BECC; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=stvXcMhQVvMq0liStpqjdcnT3oFhuI6qKpzZ4buR6dFG37SSmc+b2zzIN5jQYlNZvyysLxddvi1Zmuv1SVFd6W0KtoE5mHcgV25uZVvMepN1DLxv9Ytvxs86ljBWt9hrRz+9hT3QjdpUOsWfZfaNWYxcHtJhCT0MabJCUwkwzNM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:29:55 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_166727_16986900.1148416195781" References: <20060523170406.93476.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_166727_16986900.1148416195781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, Jeff, I'm STILL awake...I thought this was a veyr good explanation, bu= t then I'm the guy with three Lexicon Vortexes who got rid of his Digitech Jamman and bought to Boss DD-20 GigaDelays. I use the feedback control on the two DD-20s to create "inifinite" loops...with the knob cranked full stop, I get repeats for as long as the thing is on... So you're explanation in the context of this discussion has actually given me a couple of new ideas to try out. Thanks! Dennis Moser http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio On 5/23/06, jeff larson wrote: > > > I'm no programmer but it seems like doing sync and > > feedback is very hard. Even the EDP looses it's sync when in > > overdub with a feedback of <100, right? > > It's a slow day and I haven't bored the list in awhile, so here goes... > > The general problem is synchronizing while doing any type of > recording. For those old enough to remember tape decks, think of it > this way. You have a drummer and a tape recorder. The tape contains > a pre-recorded song at 120 BPM. You tell the drummer to start playing > at 120 BPM and at exactly the same time start the tape, only the > drummer can't hear the tape. Eventually the tape machine and the > drummer will drift out of sync because they are both following their > own internal "clocks". Your job as a recording engineer is to keep > the song playing on the tape machine in sync with the drummer. > > The drummer speeds up slightly, now it sounds like the tape is > lagging. You have two choices. Through some technology miracle that > was never invented you can stop the tape machine, fast forward it > slightly so that it catches up to where the drummer is, then restart > it, all in about a millisecond so the listener can't hear the > adjustment. Or if you have variable speed control on the tape machine > you can speed it up very slightly until you've caught up with the > drummer, then return it to normal speed. > > Call the first technique "instant skip" and the second "variable speed". > > Now let's say that this was a multi-track tape deck and you also had > an accordion recording on another track while the first track is > playing with the drummer. The engineer decides to make a sync > adjustment. Using the instant skip method, what will happen is that a > short gap of silence will be inserted into the accordion track. > This will cause an unpleasant artifact when you play it back, which was > already unpleasant enough because of the accordion. > > The variable speed method is better. Here, the tape keeps rolling, it > just speeds up slightly so the accordion performance will be recorded > seamlessly. If you listen very closely on playback, you may notice > that the accordion sounds very slightly flat during this adjustment > period. This is because the tape is being played back at constant > speed while it was recorded at a higher speed in spots. If you had > some fancy outboard pitch shifting gear and inhuman precision you > could apply a bit of upward pitch shift to the accordion during > those times where the tape is playing faster to compensate. > > Now warp into the modern era of digital loopers. The EDP and most > other loopers that I'm aware of that can synchronize with an external > clock use the instant skip method. If you were overdubbing when the > skip happens, it would produce an audible "bump" when the next loop > plays. Some loopers that use the instant skip method therefore > disable synchronization while recording is enabled, the thought being > that it is more important to capture the overdub accurately than stay > in sync. > > I've never used a Repeater but from what I've read it appears to use > the variable speed method. I don't know if it does a corresponding > inverse pitch shift to compensate for the speed change, but I would > expect it does. > > So, going back to the original question: is sync with feedback hard? > > It depends on how they've implemented feedback. If feedback is > continuously applied as on the EDP then you can "play" feedback by > twisting the knob in a musical way. Let's say you were sweeping > feedback up to create a swell. If we did a sync jump forward in the > middle of this sweep, there could be a brief plateau in the feedback > curve that didn't match what you played. I haven't explored how > loopers handle this but I'm guessing most ignore it and do not disable > sync while feedback is being manipulated. This is arguably fine > because the distortion you may get is far less noticeable than what > you would have when overdubbing. > > Anyone still awake? > Jeff > > ------=_Part_166727_16986900.1148416195781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, Jeff, I'm STILL awake...I thought this was a veyr good explanation, bu= t then I'm the guy with three Lexicon Vortexes who got rid of his Digitech = Jamman and bought to Boss DD-20 GigaDelays.

I use the feedback contr= ol on the two DD-20s to create "inifinite" loops...with the knob = cranked full stop, I get repeats for as long as the thing is on...

So you're explanation in the context of this discussion has actuall= y given me a couple of new ideas to try out.

Thanks!

Dennis M= oser
http://usrslashsbi= n.angrek.com/audio


On 5/23/06, jeff larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
> I'm no programmer but it seems like doing sync and
> feedback is= very hard.  Even the EDP looses it's sync when in
> overdu= b with a feedback of <100, right?

It's a slow day and I haven't b= ored the list in awhile, so here goes...

The general problem is synchronizing while doing any type of
rec= ording.  For those old enough to remember tape decks, think of it=
this way.  You have a drummer and a tape recorder.  = ;The tape contains
a pre-recorded song at 120 BPM.  You tell t= he drummer to start playing
at 120 BPM and at exactly the same time start the tape, only the
dru= mmer can't hear the tape.  Eventually the tape machine and thedrummer will drift out of sync because they are both following their
ow= n internal "clocks".  Your job as a recording engineer = is to keep
the song playing on the tape machine in sync with the drummer.

T= he drummer speeds up slightly, now it sounds like the tape is
lagging.&n= bsp; You have two choices.  Through some technology miracle = that
was never invented you can stop the tape machine, fast forward it
slightly so that it catches up to where the drummer is, then restartit, all in about a millisecond so the listener can't hear the
adjustmen= t.  Or if you have variable speed control on the tape machine
= you can speed it up very slightly until you've caught up with the
drummer, then return it to normal speed.

Call the first techniqu= e "instant skip" and the second "variable speed".
Now let's say that this was a multi-track tape deck and you also had
an accordion recording on another track while the first track is
playing= with the drummer.  The engineer decides to make a sync
adjust= ment.  Using the instant skip method, what will happen is that a<= br>short gap of silence will be inserted into the accordion track.
This will cause an unpleasant artifact when you play it back, which was=
already unpleasant enough because of the accordion.

The variable= speed method is better.  Here, the tape keeps rolling, it
jus= t speeds up slightly so the accordion performance will be recorded
seamlessly.  If you listen very closely on playback, you may = notice
that the accordion sounds very slightly flat during this adjustme= nt
period.  This is because the tape is being played back at c= onstant
speed while it was recorded at a higher speed in spots. &nb= sp;If you had
some fancy outboard pitch shifting gear and inhuman precision you
co= uld apply a bit of upward pitch shift to the accordion during
those time= s where the tape is playing faster to compensate.

Now warp into the = modern era of digital loopers.  The EDP and most
other loopers that I'm aware of that can synchronize with an externalclock use the instant skip method.  If you were overdubbing whe= n the
skip happens, it would produce an audible "bump" when th= e next loop
plays.  Some loopers that use the instant skip method therefo= re
disable synchronization while recording is enabled, the thought being=
that it is more important to capture the overdub accurately than stayin sync.

I've never used a Repeater but from what I've read it appears to us= e
the variable speed method.  I don't know if it does a corres= ponding
inverse pitch shift to compensate for the speed change, but I wo= uld
expect it does.

So, going back to the original question: is sync wit= h feedback hard?

It depends on how they've implemented feedback.&nbs= p; If feedback is
continuously applied as on the EDP then you can &= quot;play" feedback by
twisting the knob in a musical way.  Let's say you were sweep= ing
feedback up to create a swell.  If we did a sync jump forw= ard in the
middle of this sweep, there could be a brief plateau in the f= eedback
curve that didn't match what you played.  I haven't ex= plored how
loopers handle this but I'm guessing most ignore it and do not disable<= br>sync while feedback is being manipulated.  This is arguably fi= ne
because the distortion you may get is far less noticeable than whatyou would have when overdubbing.

Anyone still awake?
Jeff


------=_Part_166727_16986900.1148416195781-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 20:58:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E27A73BEEA; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Holy Flaming Sousaphones (was Re: OT: Holy Flaming Tubas) In-Reply-To: <44736960.5050803@biink.com> Message-ID: References: <01b101c67ea0$0d09a1c0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <44736960.5050803@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:58:27 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 23 May 2006, David Beardsley wrote: > That's not a Tuba, that's a Sousaphone. "Whose sousaphone is that?" Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 21:03:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A3633BECF; Tue, 23 May 2006 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mYf0XLpbdO5ABLCXMV/ERf3Xcg103oBC5/KkWTk5ITFaSA9ZDclbjQiF5A5ZK+YBuvvGS7L07Y1Vu/zcnJEXwJUUgxI865ltHsUkc0NmlvnTS/qESh1/7dz97AGCJrwuIhGCBseDOf1SCUwb3pJixnJn1oGjHXDx4sWxFLInIBA= Message-ID: <64b81a780605231403t75acda31q75278412f090e49a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:03:53 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 4th International Linux Audio Conference proceedings In-Reply-To: <002e01c67e97$73f8bb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_219394_12847176.1148418233955" References: <002e01c67e97$73f8bb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_219394_12847176.1148418233955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, Bernhard. That is indeed interesting. I look forward to picking through the topics covered. Todd On 5/23/06, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > May be of interest to some: > http://lac.zkm.de/2006/proceedings.shtml > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > > ------=_Part_219394_12847176.1148418233955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks, Bernhard.  That is indeed interesting.  I look forward to= picking through the topics covered.

Todd

On 5/23/06, Bernhard Wagner LD<= /b> < loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz> wrote:
May be of interest to some:
http://lac.zkm.de/2006/proceedings.shtml

Bernhard
http://nosuch.biz



------=_Part_219394_12847176.1148418233955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 23 23:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8498C3BEB5; Tue, 23 May 2006 23:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EBNXWrUXU9uPErNLmR+zh3/nvk6JcBihIhZGFqsst+kYWoq87IVNyIx8fqRMPqIcbbXRfZFbfmh3+rCQBSmyUlZFUEFlcrl6dgplziBUMznhQtzqYgO4A3YyLMysCmgxEHw0AiXB/tYYMzmJPJSF875jZ+seUv8aPeucyCMS/aI= ; Message-ID: <20060523235017.85896.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: BOSS RC-50 impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > The drummer speeds up slightly, now it sounds like > the tape is > lagging. You have two choices. Through some > technology miracle that > was never invented you can stop the tape machine, > fast forward it > slightly so that it catches up to where the drummer > is, then restart > it, all in about a millisecond so the listener can't > hear the > adjustment. Or if you have variable speed control > on the tape machine > you can speed it up very slightly until you've > caught up with the > drummer, then return it to normal speed. > > Call the first technique "instant skip" and the > second "variable speed". sounds like Syd Barret solo records;-) cheers Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 00:04:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53883BED6; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pCdnicNuESW33ZKQ+5DgxNdNeF/KZtH3fni0ifgN8d4VWfx0kynIFZJyybThHz22k4feKm6eaHsg48GXKRbIjNzWkkQ+CLoSUT1EXbqHje64h/NBSctVpMWV113ML3Q40mkn5nqDykmgp37EGy2y9FnwM8OyR+9C9QMZ2EGxR/A= ; Message-ID: <20060524000430.73855.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Swedish household gear manually looped ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <447231E2.7030100@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:04:31 +0000 (UTC) I saw this wonderful flick here in germany a while back and always wanted to see it again thanx a lot! Luis --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > Anyone see The Steven Banks Show episode (few years > ago) where the house > cleaner and Steven got into some percussion-jammin'? > Nice. No books, > hair spray or toilet-cleaning, though! > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > >Finally a way for me and my girlfriend to combine > our > >hobbies! I wonder what key her food processor is > >in... > > > >--- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > > > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six > > > > > >>+drummers > >> > >>Greetings from Sweden > >> > >>Per Boysen > >>www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >>www.looproom.com (international) > >>http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Neither a lofty degree of intelligence > nor imagination nor both together > go to the making of genius. > Love, love, love, > that is the soul of genius." > -Mozart > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 00:35:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9743BED8; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4473AA48.4030502@knology.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:35:20 -0400 From: D Montgomery User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencer that let's you jump from part to part via midi pc message? References: <20060523172120.388143BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060523172120.388143BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_G-JbC.A.A_.Lp6cEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Bill Edmondson wrote: > Please download the demo before taking my word for it. event though I own > live 5, I've never tested the feature. > I have. It was one of the deal makers for me. dm www.myspace.com/precentor www.music.download.com/danmontgomery -------------------- www.getcoffeecup.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 01:58:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 237053BED9; Wed, 24 May 2006 01:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4473BDF0.3090106@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:59:12 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Swedish household gear manually looped ;-) References: <20060524000430.73855.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060524000430.73855.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:58:05 +0000 (UTC) regarding found objects drummed: L.A. Angulo wrote: >I saw this wonderful flick here in germany a while >back and always wanted to see it again thanx a lot! > > Looks like the drum sequence was on Steven Banks Show episode #2 (of 13). summary: http://www.tv.com/the-steven-banks-show/sid-and-ernie/episode/262481/recap.html (#1 has Steven acting out the history of the Beatles with plastic figurines...) > >--- ".David.Auker." wrote: > > > >>Anyone see The Steven Banks Show episode (few years >>ago) where the house >>cleaner and Steven got into some percussion-jammin'? >> Nice. No books, >>hair spray or toilet-cleaning, though! >> >>mark sottilaro wrote: >> >> >> >>>Finally a way for me and my girlfriend to combine >>> >>> >>our >> >> >>>hobbies! I wonder what key her food processor is >>>in... >>> >>>--- Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>+drummers >>>> >>>>Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>>Per Boysen >>>>www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>>www.looproom.com (international) >>>>http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 04:59:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784FF3BED9; Wed, 24 May 2006 04:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:59:26 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 24th May 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 04:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 24th May 06 ============================= V.A. / Urban Affliction (Killing Sheep Records) OXYD meets SUMAD / MYSTERIOUS PLACES OF DEAD (Ars Benevola Mater) Nos / Not Otherwise Specified (Manifold Records) HASLER << >> INAMI / TRANSMIT (MANUFACTURED AUDIO) Ocosi / Here And Loathing (Manifold Records) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by random. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. Thanks Sunao http://www.electr-ohm.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 06:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6223BEDA; Wed, 24 May 2006 06:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c67efc$569a9ef0$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:36:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <45CF6C.A.UFD.Y7_cEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Just to add to the excellent lecture of Jeff -midi sync was never intended to sync audio -the edp drift is completly dependent of the strenght of the device sending clock NO COMPUTER -if you leave overdub on for a very long time either you forgot it --user error--- or you reduced feed back and some how "morphed" the content of the loop manually (by playing to the sync master sound) and readjusted the drift. -When only a small drift EDP re-syncs (to start point) the loop immediatly (auto realign) when you leave overdub -When a big drift EDP supposes that it is intentional (the loop 1 has drifted away from the Midi 1) you can send the "QuantStrtPoint" command to set (align) the loop start point to the present midi start point -maybe its time to discover all the very smart things that where implemented when using the EDP as a sync MASTER have a synced day Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff larson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: RE: BOSS RC-50 impressions > I'm no programmer but it seems like doing sync and > feedback is very hard. Even the EDP looses it's sync when in > overdub with a feedback of <100, right? It's a slow day and I haven't bored the list in awhile, so here goes... The general problem is synchronizing while doing any type of recording. For those old enough to remember tape decks, think of it this way. You have a drummer and a tape recorder. The tape contains a pre-recorded song at 120 BPM. You tell the drummer to start playing at 120 BPM and at exactly the same time start the tape, only the drummer can't hear the tape. Eventually the tape machine and the drummer will drift out of sync because they are both following their own internal "clocks". Your job as a recording engineer is to keep the song playing on the tape machine in sync with the drummer. The drummer speeds up slightly, now it sounds like the tape is lagging. You have two choices. Through some technology miracle that was never invented you can stop the tape machine, fast forward it slightly so that it catches up to where the drummer is, then restart it, all in about a millisecond so the listener can't hear the adjustment. Or if you have variable speed control on the tape machine you can speed it up very slightly until you've caught up with the drummer, then return it to normal speed. Call the first technique "instant skip" and the second "variable speed". Now let's say that this was a multi-track tape deck and you also had an accordion recording on another track while the first track is playing with the drummer. The engineer decides to make a sync adjustment. Using the instant skip method, what will happen is that a short gap of silence will be inserted into the accordion track. This will cause an unpleasant artifact when you play it back, which was already unpleasant enough because of the accordion. The variable speed method is better. Here, the tape keeps rolling, it just speeds up slightly so the accordion performance will be recorded seamlessly. If you listen very closely on playback, you may notice that the accordion sounds very slightly flat during this adjustment period. This is because the tape is being played back at constant speed while it was recorded at a higher speed in spots. If you had some fancy outboard pitch shifting gear and inhuman precision you could apply a bit of upward pitch shift to the accordion during those times where the tape is playing faster to compensate. Now warp into the modern era of digital loopers. The EDP and most other loopers that I'm aware of that can synchronize with an external clock use the instant skip method. If you were overdubbing when the skip happens, it would produce an audible "bump" when the next loop plays. Some loopers that use the instant skip method therefore disable synchronization while recording is enabled, the thought being that it is more important to capture the overdub accurately than stay in sync. I've never used a Repeater but from what I've read it appears to use the variable speed method. I don't know if it does a corresponding inverse pitch shift to compensate for the speed change, but I would expect it does. So, going back to the original question: is sync with feedback hard? It depends on how they've implemented feedback. If feedback is continuously applied as on the EDP then you can "play" feedback by twisting the knob in a musical way. Let's say you were sweeping feedback up to create a swell. If we did a sync jump forward in the middle of this sweep, there could be a brief plateau in the feedback curve that didn't match what you played. I haven't explored how loopers handle this but I'm guessing most ignore it and do not disable sync while feedback is being manipulated. This is arguably fine because the distortion you may get is far less noticeable than what you would have when overdubbing. Anyone still awake? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 09:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D803BED0; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001701c67f18$2fbb8940$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0718A8@keel.sailpoint.com> <005001c67efc$569a9ef0$0201a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:55:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <0ZHug.A.irH.Q2CdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:55:28 +0000 (UTC) > -__midi sync___ was never intended to sync audio please read --midi clock-- midi time code (the midi version of smpte) can indeed sync Audio but still not to sample level wich is only possible by word clock Clockde Voit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 11:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E6A03BEDA; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAMncc0SBTYdj Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060524120147.01a825b8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:17:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions(sync&feedback) In-Reply-To: <20060523183921.A6F633BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060523183921.A6F633BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:17:49 +0000 (UTC) >Yeah, that would be sweet but I wouldn't hold my >breath for that. I'm no programmer but it seems like >doing sync and feedback is very hard. Even the EDP >looses it's sync when in overdub with a feedback of ><100, right? Quite right, the reason it's hard is that Midi Clock is inherently inaccurate compared to audio. So if you Overdub while syncing to Midi there's a big problem each time that you sync, normally at the start of the loop. The EDP processor isn't powerful enough to do a whole bunch of little crossfades, which would reduce the glitching in the overdubbed sound (but probably not remove it completely), so there was a very clever workaround developed by (afaik) Matthias(programmer) & Claude Voit(tester). That would be an interesting test for the RC-50, to overdub while synced. I wonder if the RC-50 has a certain amount of decay during overdub, like the DL4. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 11:28:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C613BED5; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAJTfc0SBTYdi Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060524122752.01c2d9e8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:28:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions In-Reply-To: <20060524015805.9D0483BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060524015805.9D0483BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:28:22 +0000 (UTC) At 02:58 24/05/2006, you wrote: >What I'm hoping is that the RC-50 also has this sort of flexibility... who >knows... maybe feedback really isn't that important if you can solve the >problem some other way. New paradigm for similar sounding results. or a new paradigm for different sounding results From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 17:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 966883BECC; Wed, 24 May 2006 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060523170406.93476.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 02:15:52 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2006 17:15:54.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6F07F00:01C67F55] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) no worries man, when i reread the misinterpreted message i easily see that you were being sardonic in regard to roland, not me, so i apologize as well. even though the absolute perfect looping device has yet to see release, seems like we're still pretty lucky to live in this era of rapidly progressing music / communication technology. i'm amazed that we're able to have this conversation at all, and that this subject for discussion even exists. best regards. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 18:05:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B143F3BED8; Wed, 24 May 2006 18:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lt3Xfzy8Jnn6t82LpT494MRB2w+y9p2UCZoZIDOTGn4w48/DDPI7zcm/NaHQGJbxcguLbEY2Xs4buMdf/PlAqpjL6yJCY8thi3o1gQhTwYZeRJJP66CsQqh8H7X2ENzUqVLtlAnIg7qdkhuVUa0ABEo1W9wrM0IRb1Bh2cI3QB8= ; Message-ID: <20060524180536.48228.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: ...and speaking of sync, survey says!... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005001c67efc$569a9ef0$0201a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <667pJD.A.vlE.yBKdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:05:38 +0000 (UTC) 1. Do you use MIDI sync on your looper? Response Percent Response Total Yes 56.7% 34 No 13.3% 8 Not now, but I'm interested. 25% 15 Other 1.sometimes 2.Rarely 3.Both MIDI Clock sync and others, as for example Brother Sync with the EDP's) 5% 3 Total Respondents 60 (skipped this question) 0 2. Is the ability to sync to a MIDI clock important in your music? Response Percent Response Total Yes 61.7% 37 No 23.3% 14 Other 1.sometimes 2.I'm thinking about getting into it 3.sometimes 4.Not currently 5.sometimes 6.not at this point 7.it would dependon the kind of music...It its ambient, than no, if its structured music, then yes 8.sometimes 9.I explored it as a tangent I went on but am not using it now...it's important to have the capability though! 15% 9 Total Respondents 60 (skipped this question) 0 3. Does having the ability to sync to a MIDI clock influence your choice when shopping for a new looper? Response Percent Response Total Yes 76.7% 46 No 16.7% 10 I have a MIDI synced looper so I'm not shopping. 6.7% 4 Total Respondents 60 (skipped this question) 0 4. Do you own a computer or drum machine? Response Percent Response Total Computer 35.6% 21 Drum Machine/Sequencer 8.5% 5 Both 69.5% 41 Total Respondents 59 (skipped this question) 1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 18:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D39B3BEE0; Wed, 24 May 2006 18:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.26.200] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS RC-50 transitions + synch Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 03:16:53 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2006 18:16:58.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F1741E0:01C67F5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:17:03 +0000 (UTC) in regard to rc_firth's question, it IS possible to set the transition from one phrase to the next (or one set of phrases to the next) to synch with the end of the current phrase, such that synch is maintained as you cycle through multiple loops. if you have record quantization on, it will perfectly synch duration of new loops to the midi clock, however the exact moment at which you initiate recording or playback is still critical. it doesn't appear to be able to delay the onset of recording / playback to coincide with quarter notes, ect, so playback / recording will start immediately when you hit the pedal, and the loop will close at a point that coincides with whatever offset exists. hope it's useful information for you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 21:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDAB93BECF; Wed, 24 May 2006 21:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=E0vhi404GrIxZEkvWiM+fpfBVbPntmFVKs63/tTUwoOY6neJ3K9JSH7xzrDbRMSvtcBxh1tanK5CRteBjkPlED4Mn14NbjnHWeCmDhd/U3SIyxOC1/qb2zV73Ca0PuAeoT99rbJUVbMwZ2Zn6n3mnt8mkyw78TOIS+dcPD5dMgY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 17:34:03 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:34:04 +0000 (UTC) I think I need to clean the output knob on my EDP......it makes bleeps and bloops when I turn it and sometimes the audio will stop, I will turn more (bloop noise) and the audios back. how should I go about cleaning the knob. thanks. -Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 22:10:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84CF43BED8; Wed, 24 May 2006 22:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B4Ro8/Q602vzNh7zIsnvmSWMaQN2psM3fDpB82WVsFNxW4cdwVZHrJKuRy5lMhENT/FcrR4tUGcRDLK+E8XO1wnJG0RuGMIfjFsSgCUyYYhLveik80eGeo0uDFvYrXSo5RRqwHQiIj28u77NtebCV3UskecjsGienLdC4u1FJTw= ; Message-ID: <20060524221002.16080.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605221342o323cc4d7q5a15b992b195b508@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:10:04 +0000 (UTC) also registry mechanic seems to do a good job cleaning your system try it out: http://www.demoware.net/products/registry-mechanic/ Luis --- Art Simon wrote: > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes > to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the > registry", but > reinstalling Windows should solve the problem. > Sounds drastic, but at > work, I often find it less time consuming to > reformat the hard-drive > and reinstall the software than troubleshoot. > Probably not the answer > you were looking for. . . > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 22:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB21E3BED6; Wed, 24 May 2006 22:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MlY28KkeFmSKUXfTtjZud7hNh2JBO8xmiBOg739++q88D3TYx+p3EZmkVXzO0UTFclxJrklYN9LM3UizMC2cN8Kn/Cumg7KEjHE1xwpecPM1dqnu2ukjBJZxvXmy68uGt+DKpeWH+q4/iUIah/NS1KHT7pjE/9zJdi74LFXpck0= ; Message-ID: <20060524223630.96792.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7A35811FD08CE141BF576C0AD946D49B4D6DB3@a0116-xpo0113-s.swdc.ad.allstate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:36:32 +0000 (UTC) gang, is there a difference between cards using PCI bus and firewire in terms of cpu performance and stability or is it just a driver issue?which one would u use for faster stable performance and reliability? i am looking for more user info primarily on the RME cards, if anyone has experience with them and school me a bit on this id appreciate it. thanx Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 24 22:55:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28223BEDF; Wed, 24 May 2006 22:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DCP0+BveuJgjJ8wV00lhRSMZ9KAD8qvX+cSJuRkqIiqf7UPSaLI2bWJUtKK8rU4PybcduX/I3vQnTMYRet2+ctXXpjcMBe3i3p+X+FeB9RKuNwyfx7pU8jZX92JUggCBRkFgfjigs0Q2HRt8vD23Zq/1o6D2/9IThs/gqxn+bhw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060524223630.96792.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060524223630.96792.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:55:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <2fcSOC.A.56H.rROdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:55:39 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2006, at 00.36, L.A. Angulo wrote: > gang, > is there a difference between cards using PCI bus and > firewire in terms of cpu performance and stability or > is it just a driver issue?which one would u use for > faster stable performance and reliability? i am > looking for more user info primarily on the RME cards, > if anyone has experience with them and school me a bit > on this id appreciate it. > thanx > Luis By technical specifications the PCI (and PCMCIA cardbus) protocol is slightly faster than firewire 800. Firewire 400 is a little bit faster than USB 2. But how this affects the system depends also on how you use it (multi track?) and how you combine it with other gear. For example a lot of audio channels going through a firewire interface may work less stable if also a firewire drive is used on the same port for file storage or sample streaming playback. Also, some audio interfaces don't perform so well if MIDI cc data is shuffled through its MIDI in/out port (as is the case with my RME Multiface and that's why I use a separate USB MIDI port to get the optimal audio performance out of the PCI or Cardbus connected Multiface). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 03:50:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E879A3BED2; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049b01c67fae$57f1f6b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <447216B9.9030804@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:50:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0498_01C67F7C.0C8DCE10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 570, in=307106, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 03:50:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0498_01C67F7C.0C8DCE10 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. Thanks for all your responses here. Below is a summary of my actions...plus I am corresponding now with tech support from Echo, including one of their developers...plus I copied Create Labs customer support. I attached my email to echo too, which reveals some more facts. The interesting thing is that this popping/clicking doesn't occur with all of my VST effects (e.g, PSP42 and Filter), only some. And there is also clicking when I activate or deactive a VST in the VST host, by clicking the button for that effect. Very odd. Some of the clicking seems to be synchronized with the modulation of the effects. Kris > Sounds like a defragment is in order? Done. No effect. > What is your cpu usage at right now when the crackles start? Very low. 10%. With this new ThinkPad, processing has not been an issue. I haven't seen it above 55%, even with Reaktor plugins running and some of my high powered plugins like PSP84. > My first guess would be to check levels, if the sound card supports both > +4dBu and -10dBV, sometimes this gets reset to the other value and screws > up gain staging. Not a feature on this IO card. It is line level, no adjustment allowed. > The next guess would be that it's some kind of driver conflict. I would > have expected that uninstalling the Audigy drivers would clear that up, > but who knows. Go to Control Panel/System/Hardware/Device Manager and > check to see what audio drivers are installed. If you still see the > Audigy drivers uninstall or disable them. Did this, and in fact did a clean sweep uninstall based on Creative Labs instructions, plus removed everything from the registry. No effect. > For the IO driver check the Resources tab and see if there are any > conflicts. ven though you can usually share interrupts these days, audio > devices are still touchy and like to have exclusive use of the interrupt. No conflicts. > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", Did this, no effect. >uninstalling Windows should solve the problem. Yikes. No way. I will avoid this at all costs and keep searching for the source of the problem. Echo doesn't think I should have to do this either. It's a last resort, blanket solution. > Before you wipe the system and start again (and I'm not saying that that's > not what you'll ultimately have to do), go to the 'Run' item in your > 'Start' menu. Type "regedit" to bring up the registry edit tool. Use the > "Find" feature to look for anything that possibly might contain keywords > related to your Audigy card. Did this. Deleted everything related to Audity and Creative Labs, Sound Blaster, etc. I even searched for instances where sample rate was set to 48000 and changed down one level. > Might want to try "system restore" before doing anything else. If the > problem is driver related, you should be able to go back to a checkpoint > unless you specifically disabled system restore. Unfortunately, I had disabled this before the problem to free up resources...I wish I had not now. > Check your multimedia/sound settings. Try changing the Default Device to > something other than the IO. Under Sound and Audio Devices, check the > advanced settings. Be sure that under Audio Playback, the hardware > accelleration is set to Full and sample rate conversion is set to Best. Be > sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. Did this. No result. > Turn off Windows sounds. Already had this set. No result. >> Be sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. There may still >> be some legacy stuff installed. try http://www.drivercleaner.net/ Did this. ------=_NextPart_000_0498_01C67F7C.0C8DCE10 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Echo IO Card & Snapping and Popping Problem after Audigy 2 Installation_Uninstall.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Echo IO Card & Snapping and Popping Problem after Audigy 2 Installation_Uninstall.eml" Received: from hartungkris ([15.236.178.224]) by authmail.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Wed, 24 May 2006 18:39:19 -0700 Message-ID: <042401c67f9c$0a21a280$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Cc: , Subject: Echo IO Card & Snapping and Popping Problem after Audigy 2 Installation/Uninstall Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:39:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Return-Path: khartung@cableone.net Hi Marcel & Bill - Per your request, I am sending you a detailed description of my issue and what I've done so far to attempt resolving it. The basic problem is that I am hearing snapping and popping in my audio output. The problem does not seem to appear in self-generating sound sources, like normal CD music, MP3s, etc, rather music generated by processing audio from the input of the IO card. In addition, the clicking seems to occur frequently when I am playing through the IO card, and then bypassing or activating various VST effects. For example, if I click the button to activate a VST effect, it clicks, and then the effects in action, lots of clicking and popping occurs. Often times, the clicking is in sync with the modulation of the effect. Here are the details: AUDIO SOFTWARE I using IO with a VST effect host program called Chainer. Inside Chainer I am running several VST effects, like Reaktor, PSP84, Cycling 74 Pluggo, etc, etc. I plug my guitar directly into the IO card, process the signal, and then work with the output. PC I have a brand new ThinkPad T60p...it is a screaming machine with the Intel duo processor (2GHz X 2), 2gig of RAM, Windows XP Pro, etc. This is not a buffer or processor constraint issue. Before I experienced the problem, I had the system running perfectly with the above...absolutely no issues. Then I decided to experiment. I uninstalled the Echo IO card, and installed the SoundBlaster Audigy 2 for notebooks. After my experiment, I uninstalled the Audigy and reinstalled the IO. That is when I started getting the snapping and popping. It appears that the Audigy driver/software changed something in my system that was not reversed during the uninstall. I heard that Audigy forces some change to 48000 sample rate, so I'm wondering if a change was made to my system yet I can't find it anywhere, in the registry, system config, etc. STEPS I HAVE TAKEN TO TROUBLESHOOT I've uninstalled and reinstalled Chainer, IO, and Audigy several times with no luck. I even cleaned every instance of Audigy and Creative out of my system registry. No result. I've tweaked my buffer and sample rate settings in Chainer and IO. No result. I followed the instructions on the Creative website to do a cleansweep uninstall of Audigy. No result. I installed the new IO driver. No result. I tried a different VST host program, called EnergyXT, to rule out that Chainer was the issue. Same problem occured with the different VST host. I am at loss on what to try next, but I'm still convinced that there is something configured in my system somewhere that is causing the problem, something that was set by the Audigy. Thanks for help. I respond very well to email during the day if you want to exchange email on this. I can send you my XP registry file too, if you need it. Kris Hartung khartung@cableone.net 208-433-9199 ------=_NextPart_000_0498_01C67F7C.0C8DCE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 05:21:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC513BECF; Thu, 25 May 2006 05:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 01:29:48 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Loopers-Delight on myspace? To: Message-id: <000501c67fbc$3d7fc240$36a4a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <447216B9.9030804@post.cybercity.dk> <049b01c67fae$57f1f6b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 05:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Just a thought, but might it be useful to have a Loopers-Delight page on myspace to draw more traffic to the www.Loopers-delight.com website? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 05:42:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645953BEDC; Thu, 25 May 2006 05:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c67fbe$06819ff0$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <447216B9.9030804@post.cybercity.dk> <049b01c67fae$57f1f6b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000501c67fbc$3d7fc240$36a4a344@hppav> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight on myspace? Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:42:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 05:42:36 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight on myspace? > Just a thought, but might it be useful to have a Loopers-Delight page on > myspace to draw more traffic to the www.Loopers-delight.com website? > > Isnt there enough Blog traffic here ? what do you think about my new looping shoes ? Why is my VST shirt latency shrinking at 60° ? I have this new complicated manual, should I open it ? for my looper skin I only take the best laptop screen? Clode If you cant find loopers delight your have no interest in Looping whatsoever so ?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 08:16:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD13F3BEDC; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C67FD3.957F466F" Subject: TC2290 Ext FX switching Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:16:54 +0200 Message-ID: <18069E58D1A6B348A4C6F631B52BFD4E465337@OITE2N.helios.med.uni-muenchen.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: TC2290 Ext FX switching Thread-Index: AcZ/05WCtYOit7xYRkyElKX2PuoQNQ== From: "Meindl, Stefan" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67FD3.957F466F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am absolutely new to the group and more a guitar player than a loop-man. I've been searching a while for a way to switch the ext. FX loops on my TC2290 (everybody said this wasn't possible) but meanwhile I found a SysEx Data pdf-file on the TC homepage and I know that one of you people (Mr.Zvonar) has made it happen. But I don't understand the half of this stuff. I already found out that to switch the FX loops I need a "SysEx" Keycode command that is defined as follow: =20 1Bit SysEx on F1 2Bit Manuf.ID 33 3Bit DeviceID 02 (my unit is set to DeviceID 2) 4Bit DataType 05 (which means keycode commands) 5Bit MSB 6Bit LSB 7Bit Value 8Bit SysExEnd 7F =20 I have problems with Bit 5 to 7! I know that the keys have Keycodes from 1 to 199 implemented. When I want to switch the FX on the unit itself I have to press CHANGE (KC 60) and then number 1 for loop1 or number 2 for loop2,etc..=20 My TC reacts to Midi ProgChanges and sometimes it reacts to SysEx Data (I messed around with this and sometimes got reaction), but I am too stupid to get it right. Can anybody help me on this? =20 Thanx, Stefan ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67FD3.957F466F Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I am absolutely new = to the=20 group and more a guitar player than a loop-man.
I've been searching = a while for=20 a way to switch the ext. FX loops on my TC2290 (everybody said this = wasn't=20 possible) but meanwhile I found a SysEx Data pdf-file on the TC homepage = and I=20 know that one of you people (Mr.Zvonar) has made it = happen.
But I don't = understand the half=20 of this stuff.
I already found out = that to=20 switch the FX loops I need a "SysEx" Keycode command that is defined as=20 follow:
 
1Bit    SysEx=20 on    F1
2Bit   =20 Manuf.ID      33
3Bit   =20 DeviceID      02  (my unit is set to = DeviceID=20 2)
4Bit   =20 DataType    05  (which means keycode=20 commands)
5Bit   =20 MSB
6Bit   =20 LSB
7Bit   =20 Value
8Bit   = SysExEnd =20 7F
 
I have problems = with Bit 5 to=20 7! I know that the keys have Keycodes from 1 to 199 implemented. When I = want to=20 switch the FX on the unit itself I have to press CHANGE (KC 60) and then = number=20 1 for loop1 or number 2 for loop2,etc..
My TC reacts to = Midi=20 ProgChanges and sometimes it reacts to SysEx Data (I messed around with = this and=20 sometimes got reaction), but I am too stupid to get it=20 right.
Can anybody help me = on=20 this?
 
Thanx,
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67FD3.957F466F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 08:58:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A01F3BEE1; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:58:37 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ/hS2nkAI9dlD8R++j4P0Dw7aFxQAUtg1A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:58:42 +0000 (UTC) > By technical specifications the PCI (and PCMCIA cardbus) > protocol is slightly faster than firewire 800. Firewire 400 > is a little bit faster than USB 2. But how this affects the Only a small detail, but USB2 is a little bit faster than Firewire 400, not vice versa. Beware however, from what I've read, the USB2 implementation on Macs is faulty, resulting in an effective USB2 performance of about half the Firewire 400 data rate. Manufacturers still seem to be reluctant when it comes to releasing pro USB2 audio interfaces, and I guess this might be caused by the fact cited above (anybody knows an USB2 audi interface safe for the Marian UCON?) > Also, some audio interfaces don't perform so well if MIDI cc > data is shuffled through its MIDI in/out port (as is the case > with my RME Multiface Could you elaborate a little more on that? What do you have to do specifically on the MIDI ports to get which effect on the audio ports? As I do own a Multiface, I'm somewhat curious... Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 09:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF153BEDA; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SmuNB4f0otSUw5NeaIFN2Zod1t+KhVpwPSH/Zo92i+nWpiiB6pWE/3WOvZ7bnRbEs5DmHN8mYC0d7LsCtHTu4leEirQ1L934uMqi1PRCywZcDyjctV7BDjc7fRFHvmvILGIvY7RiRESadbBiS/vZ3N8fruqi/7ergrq1DfRfRLA= ; Message-ID: <20060525093050.86630.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 02:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2KKamD.A.9oG.MlXdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Per thanx,well there it is i should have done a bit more research before buying;-( i ordered a fireface which cost much more thinking it would upgrade my multiface which i was thinking of selling,yesterday i plug it in and did some recording,and it seems to sound better and its limiter is quite handy but i did notice that is slower on my system than the multiface,I called RME and they said that shouldnt happen that i should buy a better firewire card like the texas instruments chip ones,unfortunately there aren´t many RME fireface 800 users reviews outhere but i sure hope that can solve the problem... Luis > > By technical specifications the PCI (and PCMCIA > cardbus) protocol is > slightly faster than firewire 800. Firewire 400 is a > little bit > faster than USB 2. But how this affects the system > depends also on > how you use it (multi track?) and how you combine > it with other > gear. For example a lot of audio channels going > through a firewire > interface may work less stable if also a firewire > drive is used on > the same port for file storage or sample streaming > playback. Also, > some audio interfaces don't perform so well if MIDI > cc data is > shuffled through its MIDI in/out port (as is the > case with my RME > Multiface and that's why I use a separate USB MIDI > port to get the > optimal audio performance out of the PCI or Cardbus > connected > Multiface). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 10:05:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75693BEE8; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TtvEieNFEgis4n1bsj0JVlz903+BHZCQpbkXwVtWfC05raj0pazHU/AR845dVWxamlzBw0YKja53ymgqQHxPK93V1IPEXnC2gcBzvabbxGUwn7m7kIqLaJDXarFXJR+XmdawGiMK4Q399mKe/7Wcqpl/ii1QuGYtxyh9dHqQyB8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:05:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:05:49 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2006, at 10.58, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Also, some audio interfaces don't perform so well if MIDI cc >> data is shuffled through its MIDI in/out port (as is the case >> with my RME Multiface > > Could you elaborate a little more on that? What do you have to do > specifically on the MIDI ports to get which effect on the audio > ports? As I > do own a Multiface, I'm somewhat curious... Using MIDI expression pedals or faders to send MIDI cc data through the Multiface built-in MIDI port sometimes creates crackling artifacts in the audio. This problem is still around with the latest OS X drivers but in my own praxis I solved it long ago by going out to buy a cheap USB MIDI interface, thus leaving the Multiface to handle audio streaming only. I have not used the Multiface MIDI ports on Windows XP, so I can't tell if those drivers have the same issue. > Beware however, from what I've read, the USB2 implementation on > Macs is faulty, resulting in an effective USB2 performance of about > half the > Firewire 400 data rate. Thanks you, that's important information! I didn't know about that but, I have had a certain impression that my firewire drives work as good over USB2 as over FW when I pop them into my PC. On the Mac I usually feed them from the FW800 port. I once tried an USB audi interface on a Mac and it was so bad that I brought it back to the store and got my money back. Maybe it should have worked better if I had tried it on a PC then? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 10:33:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36E243BEE9; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:31:30 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44758782.9090304@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:33:28 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude a month-long Special Focus on Bruno Sanfilippo. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the "ad libitum" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Electronical Dreams" by various German artists on Brain Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. 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WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 12:19:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43BA3BEE4; Thu, 25 May 2006 12:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Thread-Index: AcZ/rlxNyiLqkejzT1WpELSMC9hhCQARo5yA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2006 12:19:18.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[722796B0:01C67FF5] Resent-Message-ID: <4jTXqB.A.XmC.HDadEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Kris- One other thing you might try - start Windows in Safe mode and then look for instances of the Creative Labs drivers, hardware, etc. I've found in the past that this reveals "leftovers" that for some reason are not seen otherwise. Since you've edited the registry already this may do nothing, but give it a shot. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Hello all. Thanks for all your responses here. Below is a summary of my=20 actions...plus I am corresponding now with tech support from Echo, including=20 one of their developers...plus I copied Create Labs customer support. I attached my email to echo too, which reveals some more facts. The=20 interesting thing is that this popping/clicking doesn't occur with all of my=20 VST effects (e.g, PSP42 and Filter), only some. And there is also clicking=20 when I activate or deactive a VST in the VST host, by clicking the button=20 for that effect. Very odd. Some of the clicking seems to be synchronized=20 with the modulation of the effects. Kris > Sounds like a defragment is in order? Done. No effect. > What is your cpu usage at right now when the crackles start? Very low. 10%. With this new ThinkPad, processing has not been an issue. I=20 haven't seen it above 55%, even with Reaktor plugins running and some of my=20 high powered plugins like PSP84. > My first guess would be to check levels, if the sound card supports=20 > both > +4dBu and -10dBV, sometimes this gets reset to the other value and=20 > +screws > up gain staging. Not a feature on this IO card. It is line level, no adjustment allowed. > The next guess would be that it's some kind of driver conflict. I=20 > would > have expected that uninstalling the Audigy drivers would clear that up,=20 > but who knows. Go to Control Panel/System/Hardware/Device Manager and > check to see what audio drivers are installed. If you still see the=20 > Audigy drivers uninstall or disable them. Did this, and in fact did a clean sweep uninstall based on Creative Labs instructions, plus removed everything from the registry. No effect. > For the IO driver check the Resources tab and see if there are any > conflicts. ven though you can usually share interrupts these days, audio=20 > devices are still touchy and like to have exclusive use of the interrupt. No conflicts. > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", Did this, no effect. >uninstalling Windows should solve the problem. Yikes. No way. I will avoid this at all costs and keep searching for the source of the problem. Echo doesn't think I should have to do this either.=20 It's a last resort, blanket solution. > Before you wipe the system and start again (and I'm not saying that=20 > that's > not what you'll ultimately have to do), go to the 'Run' item in your=20 > 'Start' menu. Type "regedit" to bring up the registry edit tool. Use the=20 > "Find" feature to look for anything that possibly might contain keywords=20 > related to your Audigy card. Did this. Deleted everything related to Audity and Creative Labs, Sound=20 Blaster, etc. I even searched for instances where sample rate was set to 48000 and changed down one level. > Might want to try "system restore" before doing anything else. If the > problem is driver related, you should be able to go back to a checkpoint=20 > unless you specifically disabled system restore. Unfortunately, I had disabled this before the problem to free up=20 resources...I wish I had not now. > Check your multimedia/sound settings. Try changing the Default Device > to > something other than the IO. Under Sound and Audio Devices, check the=20 > advanced settings. Be sure that under Audio Playback, the hardware=20 > accelleration is set to Full and sample rate conversion is set to Best. Be=20 > sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. Did this. No result. > Turn off Windows sounds. Already had this set. No result. >> Be sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. There may=20 >> still >> be some legacy stuff installed. try http://www.drivercleaner.net/ Did this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 14:05:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009543BEE8; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053f01c68004$4e73e340$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:05:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 573, in=320189, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:05:44 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean, Hal " Kris- One other thing you might try - start Windows in Safe mode and then look for instances of the Creative Labs drivers, hardware, etc. I've found in the past that this reveals "leftovers" that for some reason are not seen otherwise. Since you've edited the registry already this may do nothing, but give it a shot. Hal Dean ******************* Thanks, Dean. I did that. In fact, that was a requirement on the Creative website, for the "so-called" clean sweep uninstall. I say so-called because even after I did it, I found Creative in the registry. What a complicated mess. This is an odd duck problem, indeed. I still think it's strange that the clicking and popping does not occur when I'm just running through my VST host with no effects, and that clicking a button to load or activate a VST effect makes a click/pop sound, and that some VST effects that modulate produce a clicking/popping sound that seems to coincide with the modulation. And that when using VST effects like Reaktor Metaphyisical or Krypt, which generate their own sounds, there is no clicking and popping. The problem is limited to the context where the signal is generated through the Echo card input. I have a gut feeling that these are good clues, but I just can't piece them together and draw any conclusion regarding causes. I hope to get on the phone with Echo today. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Hello all. Thanks for all your responses here. Below is a summary of my actions...plus I am corresponding now with tech support from Echo, including one of their developers...plus I copied Create Labs customer support. I attached my email to echo too, which reveals some more facts. The interesting thing is that this popping/clicking doesn't occur with all of my VST effects (e.g, PSP42 and Filter), only some. And there is also clicking when I activate or deactive a VST in the VST host, by clicking the button for that effect. Very odd. Some of the clicking seems to be synchronized with the modulation of the effects. Kris > Sounds like a defragment is in order? Done. No effect. > What is your cpu usage at right now when the crackles start? Very low. 10%. With this new ThinkPad, processing has not been an issue. I haven't seen it above 55%, even with Reaktor plugins running and some of my high powered plugins like PSP84. > My first guess would be to check levels, if the sound card supports > both > +4dBu and -10dBV, sometimes this gets reset to the other value and > +screws > up gain staging. Not a feature on this IO card. It is line level, no adjustment allowed. > The next guess would be that it's some kind of driver conflict. I > would > have expected that uninstalling the Audigy drivers would clear that up, > but who knows. Go to Control Panel/System/Hardware/Device Manager and > check to see what audio drivers are installed. If you still see the > Audigy drivers uninstall or disable them. Did this, and in fact did a clean sweep uninstall based on Creative Labs instructions, plus removed everything from the registry. No effect. > For the IO driver check the Resources tab and see if there are any > conflicts. ven though you can usually share interrupts these days, audio > devices are still touchy and like to have exclusive use of the interrupt. No conflicts. > Installing and uninstalling hardware makes changes to the windows > registry. I've never had much luck "hacking the registry", Did this, no effect. >uninstalling Windows should solve the problem. Yikes. No way. I will avoid this at all costs and keep searching for the source of the problem. Echo doesn't think I should have to do this either. It's a last resort, blanket solution. > Before you wipe the system and start again (and I'm not saying that > that's > not what you'll ultimately have to do), go to the 'Run' item in your > 'Start' menu. Type "regedit" to bring up the registry edit tool. Use the > "Find" feature to look for anything that possibly might contain keywords > related to your Audigy card. Did this. Deleted everything related to Audity and Creative Labs, Sound Blaster, etc. I even searched for instances where sample rate was set to 48000 and changed down one level. > Might want to try "system restore" before doing anything else. If the > problem is driver related, you should be able to go back to a checkpoint > unless you specifically disabled system restore. Unfortunately, I had disabled this before the problem to free up resources...I wish I had not now. > Check your multimedia/sound settings. Try changing the Default Device > to > something other than the IO. Under Sound and Audio Devices, check the > advanced settings. Be sure that under Audio Playback, the hardware > accelleration is set to Full and sample rate conversion is set to Best. Be > sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. Did this. No result. > Turn off Windows sounds. Already had this set. No result. >> Be sure that under Hardware, the SB is no longer listed. There may >> still >> be some legacy stuff installed. try http://www.drivercleaner.net/ Did this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 14:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43ED93BEFA; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: AW: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:06:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:06:14 +0000 (UTC) My personal experience tells me that PCI is always faster than USB or Firewire. i guess it's just closer to the CPU that way, less conversion going on. wether we like to admit it or not A to D is a conversion step and firewire/usb to whatever app is also a conversion step. same on the way out. and using PCI seems to minimize the middlemen conversion steps. As far as USB vs. Firewire..... i think sharing is a big problem. Firewire drives on the same bus as the interface, or even keyboards, mice, etc... on the USB. It's news to me (but not a surprise) that the mac USB 2 implementation is dodgy. I have never had good luck with low latency using USB2 interfaces on my macs. - b On May 25, 2006, at 6:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 25 maj 2006, at 10.58, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >>> Also, some audio interfaces don't perform so well if MIDI cc >>> data is shuffled through its MIDI in/out port (as is the case >>> with my RME Multiface >> >> Could you elaborate a little more on that? What do you have to do >> specifically on the MIDI ports to get which effect on the audio >> ports? As I >> do own a Multiface, I'm somewhat curious... > > > Using MIDI expression pedals or faders to send MIDI cc data through > the Multiface built-in MIDI port sometimes creates crackling > artifacts in the audio. This problem is still around with the > latest OS X drivers but in my own praxis I solved it long ago by > going out to buy a cheap USB MIDI interface, thus leaving the > Multiface to handle audio streaming only. > > I have not used the Multiface MIDI ports on Windows XP, so I can't > tell if those drivers have the same issue. > > >> Beware however, from what I've read, the USB2 implementation on >> Macs is faulty, resulting in an effective USB2 performance of >> about half the >> Firewire 400 data rate. > > Thanks you, that's important information! I didn't know about that > but, I have had a certain impression that my firewire drives work > as good over USB2 as over FW when I pop them into my PC. On the Mac > I usually feed them from the FW800 port. > > I once tried an USB audi interface on a Mac and it was so bad that > I brought it back to the store and got my money back. Maybe it > should have worked better if I had tried it on a PC then? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 14:13:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F943BF01; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q7v0sgxRFcmjf4Zm7p+t/0kHX3nUHQ716k0KpN4lLXsJkkIlsWKEKNGI1rXbLRsFjmg8Ol2y3ZXsfDD1bcX1oE4KT/TS9jcAY0j59TH8TYUoyF1DVn8s8b3qCgygv/lZq8Gix/+O99wdwDImHIaDSO6ykYj5JRrlsEpy8Yos6G8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605250713q453c6f75m6b3a009ee9cc98d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:13:27 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <5v44_C.A.ihG.IubdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Here's another possibility: a virus/worm/malware problem. I recently noticed an application called "SlowDownCPU.exe" in my task mananger ("Hmmm, that can't be good. . ."). When I did a system scan, a worm showed up in the BrushSyn.dll file that was (I think) part of the Guitar distortion/preamp VSTs that were up on box.net C:\Documents and Settings\asimon\Desktop\Kris Hartung VST\B\BrushSyn.dll [DETECTION] Contains signature of the worm WORM/Agobot.88433 I don't know if the two things were related, but if you had some malware sucking up some processing power, that would explain why you are getting clicks with the same patches that weren't clicking or popping before. On 5/25/06, Dean, Hal wrote: > Kris- > > One other thing you might try - start Windows in Safe mode and then look > for instances of the Creative Labs drivers, hardware, etc. I've found in > the past that this reveals "leftovers" that for some reason are not seen > otherwise. Since you've edited the registry already this may do nothing, > but give it a shot. > > Hal Dean > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 14:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB58F3BF0C; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <055e01c68007$7b8aacd0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0605250713q453c6f75m6b3a009ee9cc98d6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:28:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 573, in=320226, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:28:25 +0000 (UTC) It's not that, for me at least. I have the newest version and definition list of Semantec virus checker. I just checked that file and it is clean, plus I don't have the ""SlowDownCPU.exe" in my task manger or as a background process. I think your system must have attached that virus to the file. Did anyone else find it? My processing seems fine. This problem occurs even with only one low power VST effect loaded in my host (Chainer, EnergyXT, etc). I simplified the environment to this for testing purposes. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Here's another possibility: a virus/worm/malware problem. I recently noticed an application called "SlowDownCPU.exe" in my task mananger ("Hmmm, that can't be good. . ."). When I did a system scan, a worm showed up in the BrushSyn.dll file that was (I think) part of the Guitar distortion/preamp VSTs that were up on box.net C:\Documents and Settings\asimon\Desktop\Kris Hartung VST\B\BrushSyn.dll [DETECTION] Contains signature of the worm WORM/Agobot.88433 I don't know if the two things were related, but if you had some malware sucking up some processing power, that would explain why you are getting clicks with the same patches that weren't clicking or popping before. On 5/25/06, Dean, Hal wrote: > Kris- > > One other thing you might try - start Windows in Safe mode and then look > for instances of the Creative Labs drivers, hardware, etc. I've found in > the past that this reveals "leftovers" that for some reason are not seen > otherwise. Since you've edited the registry already this may do nothing, > but give it a shot. > > Hal Dean > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 14:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635A83BF0C; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <690C100E-BFC6-4DBD-A3A5-1B974B04222D@arcor.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: TC2290 Ext FX switching / Zvonar Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:36:59 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Richard Zvonar sadly left the planet last year, much too early.... Hope someone else can help you out, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 15:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72CCE3BEFE; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AAy34EXH9VHLFXtvn7qMYDB8RLb0Hz/7bf4LPEIFsvxSbwrGBy4VNQvF1u66R6BZ7ENHuVoqTyBPGJs8h+M3PmWHmtNl7Sj2tpoJJ7ozJdFyV5vvIUN2Yc5uX8bompIUlZTUyezFAfLFeSUJljzTXNq9uPUTITHrikkOMj8Dp+s= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605250809g546f748cs66fd4725e66e407@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:09:18 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <055e01c68007$7b8aacd0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605250713q453c6f75m6b3a009ee9cc98d6@mail.gmail.com> <055e01c68007$7b8aacd0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC) > I think your system must have attached that virus to the file Entirely possible--I found it on my work computer that is on the school network. Good Luck, --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 16:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533ED3BF02; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:01:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071927@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <053f01c68004$4e73e340$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems thread-index: AcaABFKKIqh5xNi9TICrBsJtYu0nowAD6BGQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:01:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: Krispen Hartung > It's not that, for me at least. I have the newest version and=20 > definition list of Semantec virus checker.=20 It doesn't feel like this is your problem but while we're on the subject I've been having a much worse time with spyware and malware lately than I have with viruses. Virus scanners don't often catch these since they're not technically viruses. The best malware scanner I've used so far is Spyware Doctor from PC Tools. You really need both a virus scanner and malware scanner right now, though I expect to see some convergence in the future. Spyware can easily bring your system to its knees and there are some clever "rootkit" techniques they use to hide themselves. > I still think it's strange that the clicking and popping does not > occur when I'm just running through my VST host with no effects, and > that clicking a button to load or activate a VST effect makes a > click/pop sound, and that some VST effects that modulate produce a > clicking/popping sound that seems to coincide with the modulation. Clicking/popping that coincides with modulation sounds like digital clipping caused by gain added by the effect. This might also explain why sound generating plugins don't exhibit the same problem. Is the input signal from the Echo unusually hot? Can you back it down a bit in a software mixer? It doesn't explain why you would get clicks just activating the plugin though, unless you happened to activate it at the same time it was in it's high gain phase. Assuming gain staging is correct, clicking is almost always caused by a missed audio interrupt and the causes are either that the application is too slow to respond to the driver or that the driver is too slow to respond to the hardware due to some conflict. Reinstalling the OS should fix both, but won't indicate which of the two it was. I occasionally get mysterious clicks from my older PCI sound card, these seem to be solved by rebooting and running a "calibrate converter" utility in the driver's control panel. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 16:17:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0800E3BF0C; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05a501c68016$ba597ae0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071927@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:17:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 573, in=320414, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3S3BIB.A.zTC.fiddEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:17:36 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > It doesn't feel like this is your problem but while we're on the subject I've been having a much worse time with spyware and malware lately than I have with viruses. Virus scanners don't often catch these since they're not technically viruses. The best malware scanner I've used so far is Spyware Doctor from PC Tools. You really need both a virus scanner and malware scanner right now, though I expect to see some convergence in the future. Spyware can easily bring your system to its knees and there are some clever "rootkit" techniques they use to hide themselves. Good point. My notebook is so new that I'm not infested yet. Plus, I just made a decision to not use my music notebook to surf the web. I only use it to download drivers from manufactures, etc. I used to use a program called SE Adware, which was decent. > Clicking/popping that coincides with modulation sounds like digital clipping caused by gain added by the effect. This might also explain why sound generating plugins don't exhibit the same problem. Is the input signal from the Echo unusually hot? Can you back it down a bit in a software mixer? I monitor my input level, and it is very low....so I ruled that out. I keep racking my brain that my entire sytem worked perfectly until I installed Audigy 2. All my settings are the same....at least those that I can controll. I'm searching for that hidden setting that change samplerate to 48. I've checked everywhere - registry, control panel, system, apps, etc. > Assuming gain staging is correct, clicking is almost always caused by a missed audio interrupt and the causes are either that the application is too slow to respond to the driver or that the driver is too slow to respond to the hardware due to some conflict. Reinstalling the OS should fix both, but won't indicate which of the two it was. Uggg....I am dreading having to reinstall the OS..cripes, a brand new notebook. I hate doing that. > I occasionally get mysterious clicks from my older PCI sound card, these seem to be solved by rebooting and running a "calibrate converter" utility in the driver's control panel. I can't seem to find anything to perform this in my system and drivers. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 16:32:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25E663BF19; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TJmY/iOfA1lo1GzaoSIYUGtKSX2o+Q/BBzE59bjYv8UbliMJ29YfbWQK63Oo/1iDPQk/j1e7Bj3W29HP3VFR0U2JcaqJOapFAbiLTUl4xi1k+XsmPUYBTCxSTpfxSUnHIqOgiVqsL6WORO5RvKwDYz/fEY6bR55AlAcQb4au51M= ; Message-ID: <20060525163205.47771.qmail@web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight on myspace? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) --- daniel stevenson wrote: > lol hey Claude,you forgot- > why does my looper sometimes open a wormhole where > all > energy is condensed through a slow vibration > creating > new matter, making me to come to the realization > that > we are all one consciousness experiencing itself > subjectively,that life is only a dream and we are > all > the imaginations of ourselves? > to the future, > scary visionary. > > > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:29 AM > > Subject: Loopers-Delight on myspace? > > > > > > > Just a thought, but might it be useful to have a > > Loopers-Delight page on > > > myspace to draw more traffic to the > > www.Loopers-delight.com website? > > > > > > > > > > Isnt there enough Blog traffic here ? > > > > what do you think about my new looping shoes ? > > Why is my VST shirt latency shrinking at 60° ? > > I have this new complicated manual, should I open > it > > ? > > for my looper skin I only take the best laptop > > screen? > > > > Clode > > > > If you cant find loopers delight your have no > > interest in Looping whatsoever > > so ?? > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 16:40:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31C7C3BF17; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight on myspace? MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:40:54 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071939@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 In-Reply-To: <001901c67fbe$06819ff0$0201a8c0@mini> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loopers-Delight on myspace? thread-index: AcZ/vggH7ZRkpBQjQG2Wu3b2lZCCeQAW6eCw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:40:50 +0000 (UTC) > From: Claude Voit > what do you think about my new looping shoes ? Oh, now you've done it! For the rest of the day I'm going to have KC and the Sunshine Band in my head... Girl, To Be With You Is My Fav'rite Thing Uh Huh And I Can't Wait Til I See You Again Yeah, Yeah I Want To Put On My My My My My Looping Shoes Just To Loop With You, Yeah I Want To Put On My My My My My Looping Shoes Just To Loop With You,Uh Huh I Want To Do It 'til The Sun Comes Up Uh Huh, And I Want To Do It 'til I Can't Get Enough, Yeah, Yeah I Want To Put On My My My My My Looping Shoes Just To Loop With You, Yeah I Want To Put On My My My My My Looping Shoes Just To Loop With You Uh Huh, Yeah Yeah I Want To Put On My My My My My Looping Shoes Just To Loop, With You, Yeah I Want To Put On My My My My My Looping Shoes Just To Loop With You, Yeah From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 16:48:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48B2B3BF17; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,173,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="211266989:sNHT25707528" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060525093802.0116de90@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:48:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: TC2290 Ext FX switching In-Reply-To: <18069E58D1A6B348A4C6F631B52BFD4E465337@OITE2N.helios.med.u ni-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:48:02 +0000 (UTC) have you tried MSB 0, LSB 60 (0x3C), Value 1 for loop1, 2 for loop2, etc? It appears that you can just hook it up to your computer, turn on MIDI-Ox and press the switches - it should send the keypresses through the MIDI out which you can then monitor in MIDI-Ox. At 2006.05.25 01:16 AM, Meindl, Stefan wrote: >Hi, >I am absolutely new to the group and more a guitar player than a loop-man. >I've been searching a while for a way to switch the ext. FX loops on my >TC2290 (everybody said this wasn't possible) but meanwhile I found a SysEx >Data pdf-file on the TC homepage and I know that one of you people >(Mr.Zvonar) has made it happen. >But I don't understand the half of this stuff. >I already found out that to switch the FX loops I need a "SysEx" Keycode >command that is defined as follow: > >1Bit SysEx on F1 >2Bit Manuf.ID 33 >3Bit DeviceID 02 (my unit is set to DeviceID 2) >4Bit DataType 05 (which means keycode commands) >5Bit MSB >6Bit LSB >7Bit Value >8Bit SysExEnd 7F > >I have problems with Bit 5 to 7! I know that the keys have Keycodes from 1 >to 199 implemented. When I want to switch the FX on the unit itself I have >to press CHANGE (KC 60) and then number 1 for loop1 or number 2 for >loop2,etc.. >My TC reacts to Midi ProgChanges and sometimes it reacts to SysEx Data (I >messed around with this and sometimes got reaction), but I am too stupid >to get it right. >Can anybody help me on this? > >Thanx, >Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 16:53:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49EBA3BF18; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DAbMsUGEq+DdlnFO3iRSNJASy9FdgRVXc+SwRWPJ+cFuYXKMynVF+u4Yu/HzrpCtsGJ+eOLyxgcup6SnyX+urD1U/SsZpk6OVJmljnXa5/g3pKLkahQsmDlJ+YaPMmcLOHNXeYbAsgeWO33/aVjA67iZczXD67W6QEX6HN5I/tI= ; Message-ID: <20060525165331.72349.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <05a501c68016$ba597ae0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_WIqdD.A.dsD.NEedEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Wow. I've been on the fence about what to buy, but man the below reads like a vert for Apple. I'm not saying my Macs have never had issues, but my G4 has had several audio interfaces hooked up to it in it's day, has surfed the web a ton, is continually asked to run the Adobe's CS, Maya, and Digital Performer and not once in it's life have I ever even thought about reinstalling the OS or scanning for malware. That cute little Macbook is looking more and more worth it. Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > It doesn't feel like this is your problem but > while we're on the > subject I've been having a much worse time with > spyware and malware > lately than I have with viruses. Virus scanners > don't often catch > these since they're not technically viruses. The > best malware scanner > I've used so far is Spyware Doctor from PC Tools. > You really need > both a virus scanner and malware scanner right now, > though I expect to > see some convergence in the future. Spyware can > easily bring your > system to its knees and there are some clever > "rootkit" techniques > they use to hide themselves. > > Good point. My notebook is so new that I'm not > infested yet. Plus, I just > made a decision to not use my music notebook to surf > the web. I only use it > to download drivers from manufactures, etc. I used > to use a program called > SE Adware, which was decent. > > > Clicking/popping that coincides with modulation > sounds like digital > clipping caused by gain added by the effect. This > might also explain > why sound generating plugins don't exhibit the same > problem. Is the > input signal from the Echo unusually hot? Can you > back it down a bit > in a software mixer? > > I monitor my input level, and it is very low....so I > ruled that out. I keep > racking my brain that my entire sytem worked > perfectly until I installed > Audigy 2. All my settings are the same....at least > those that I can > controll. I'm searching for that hidden setting that > change samplerate to > 48. I've checked everywhere - registry, control > panel, system, apps, etc. > > > Assuming gain staging is correct, clicking is > almost always caused by > a missed audio interrupt and the causes are either > that the > application is too slow to respond to the driver or > that the driver is > too slow to respond to the hardware due to some > conflict. Reinstalling > the OS should fix both, but won't indicate which of > the two it was. > > Uggg....I am dreading having to reinstall the > OS..cripes, a brand new > notebook. I hate doing that. > > > I occasionally get mysterious clicks from my older > PCI sound card, > these seem to be solved by rebooting and running a > "calibrate converter" > utility in the driver's control panel. > > I can't seem to find anything to perform this in my > system and drivers. > > Kris > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 18:04:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9157A3BF0A; Thu, 25 May 2006 18:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <060d01c68025$9a4de7e0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <05e501c68025$3cb7edb0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: The Virtual Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:04:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 571, in=307685, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - Now that the dust has settled, I can say with confidence that the Boise Experimental Music Festival was a great success and turned out to be nearly everything I had expected. I received comments from many attendees and performers indicating that this event was top notch, very professional, and comparable to other major experimental, avant-garde, or electronic music festivals all over the world. I'd like to extend a big "thank you" to all who attended, performed at, or supported the event. BEMF could not have occurred without you. I have managed to create the closest approximation to a "virtual" version of the festival. At the BEMF website at the Sound & Video and Images pages, you can find MP3s of many of the performers, mini videos, and a lot of pictures. Feel free to download anything you like and spread the word to all your friends, discussion groups, and email distribution lists. http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental In addition, some of us in the BEMF crew and group of performers are thinking of producing a 2-disc compilation CD of the event. We could potentially sell it and use part of the profits to fund next year's festival. I'll provide more updates on this at a later time. Now get ready for the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival! Cheers, Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 19:24:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1103BF16; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <391.3b9ed19.31a75e64@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:24:20 EDT Subject: Re: mixer board suggestions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_391.3b9ed19.31a75e64_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:24:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_391.3b9ed19.31a75e64_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/06 11:03:33 AM, ditchwrestler@yahoo.com writes: > but having 12 tracks does seem to a bit of over-kill > not really.....imho.....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_391.3b9ed19.31a75e64_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/18/06 11:03:33 AM, ditchwrestler@yahoo.com writes:


but having 12 tracks=20= does seem to a bit of over-kill


not really.....imho.....m



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 --part1_391.3b9ed19.31a75e64_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 20:49:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173C23BF04; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060525132820.07bfe470@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:48:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight on myspace? In-Reply-To: <000501c67fbc$3d7fc240$36a4a344@hppav> References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <447216B9.9030804@post.cybercity.dk> <049b01c67fae$57f1f6b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000501c67fbc$3d7fc240$36a4a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:49:00 +0000 (UTC) At 10:29 PM 5/24/2006, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Just a thought, but might it be useful to have a Loopers-Delight page on >myspace to draw more traffic to the www.Loopers-delight.com website? I'm not interested in doing that, nor is there any reason. Looper's Delight gets about 1.3 million page views a month, and continues to grow. "Lack of traffic" is not really a problem for the site. Creating more content for all those people is a much more useful project, for those interested in helping out! As Claude pointed out, anybody remotely interested in looping will find the site easily. It's all over the search engines. Therefore, any articles you contribute to the site will be read by many thousands of people. At the very least, putting an article on LD is a good way to bring more attention to whatever it is you are doing. Also, as Claude also pointed out, there are a few people on the list who really wander off topic a lot. The one common thing everybody here is interested in is looping. Please be considerate of the rest of the list before making posts with nothing at all to do with looping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 20:52:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B4A3BF1B; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060525135017.04ebc7a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:52:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:52:12 +0000 (UTC) At 02:34 PM 5/24/2006, mark t wrote: >I think I need to clean the output knob on my EDP......it makes bleeps >and bloops when I turn it and sometimes the audio will stop, I will >turn more (bloop noise) and the audios back. how should I go about >cleaning the knob. thanks. Shops like Radio Shack usually stock potentiometer cleaner. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 20:58:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6575C3BF17; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace? Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:58:45 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c6803e$06b7e300$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060525132820.07bfe470@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcaAPKkY5+e5QmvKSNG5Ju6fnkqFYgAASYwg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:58:56 +0000 (UTC) > Also, as Claude also pointed out, there are a few people on > the list who really wander off topic a lot. The one common > thing everybody here is interested in is looping. Please be > considerate of the rest of the list before making posts with > nothing at all to do with looping. You (or Claude, or both of you) got me there, as a lot of other contributors. But quite frankly, I like to wander off topic a little, simply because of the value of the replys I tend to get on any topic I tend to address here... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 21:26:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2CEB3BF18; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight on myspace? Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:26:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071939@keel.sailpoint.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Hey Jeff, would you please stop getting down with your bad self? I mean hey, this is a site devoted to looping, so maybe find another site to bring on the noise and bring on the funk at. OK? BTW does anybody want to hear the story about the notorious 16th century Cat Piano? No? :o):o) Bill (PS, Yo Claude, ya got any pics of them fine shoes?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 21:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3723BF17; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q4mt6GQ5cQduKC4VzMpaomS0shtWbcg6ZYFTOkkmyOe4+sHZb3JJju0heEgO4NNK6ZqxqRR+9vGGkjmn6j9KoST/dhintcqn5S8fP3EzBdCRCu2jrtBj7ZyeVGO+oiAodjEqXJZjOui3O3AgBGAC4V0Ir9XHnlAIxQrlp6ErdDI= ; Message-ID: <20060525215345.26241.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight on myspace? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7MQ7NC.A.0vF.qdidEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:53:46 +0000 (UTC) --- William Walker wrote: > BTW does anybody want to hear the > story about the notorious 16th century Cat Piano? > No? I saw a picture of that cat piano on a myspace site. :P -t- ps: I really did. It was on Ben Grossman's page. He loops hurdy-gurdy with an EDP and a Repeater; ooops, I slipped on-topic there for a bit... Not sure if he's still a listmemeber, but if he is: hi Ben. pps: speaking of looping shoes, I did a show in a really nice gallery Saturday night just in my socks. (Well, in other clothes too, but with no shoes.) The places I used to play I'd never have dared. ppps: it's funny, a lot of us who stray off topic on the list are the same ones who in "real life" can go on and on about looping at any opportunity to any captive audience! 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 21:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602753BEFE; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:56:24 -0600 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Greeting Loopers, Last Tuesday night California musicians Jeff Kaiser (trumpet & lap top), Tom McNalley (guitar) and locals Mark Weaver (tuba) & a Dave Wayne (drums) played at a coffee house in my neighborhood (www.myspace.com/thebluedragoncoffeeshop). Although my little looping duo (Acids and Bases) has played there a few times, it is usually an acoustic-folk oriented place where those not old enough to buy a beer hang-out in droves. It is a nice little venue, but I must admit it is not a scene in which experimental music is completely accepted by the patrons (the mgt is very cool with many different genera). Because of the venue, and the fact that a Wayne Horvitz ensemble was appearing at the local Jazz venue that same night, the show was sparsely attended. Undaunted, Jeff and Co. played 2 fine sets of improvised music. Jeff processes his trumpet with a Mac powerbook, a MOTU UltraLight thingy, and several CC pedals & midi keyboard... he loops, slices, dices and creates everything from an uproarious din to tiny little sounds (even the looping little spit bubble sounds from deep within those coils of brass!). Tom's guitar, a Fender Jazzmaster and Peavey Classic 30, had a raw organic sound and was super. A small arsenal of effects, (EH Freq Analyzer, Tech 21 comp, Zvex SHO & Fuzz Factory, Boss DD20) helped modify his sound, but he did great things with even clean settings. I think there is certainly a lot of Nels Cline influence in his style, but he has his own thing going. Often noisy, jazzy stuff, he is all over the fretboard and he also grooves. As a guitar player, I couldn't help but go ga-ga over what Tom was doing. All the musicians were great on stage that night, showing their chops at the appropriate times and sitting out at other times (I know I should take note of this, as I often feel like I should be doing something on my guitar all-the-time). Talked a little bit with them after the show, bought a couple CD's (to which I am now listening) and had a great time. It was a pleasure meeting them, and I think Jeff is a real asset to our looping community. Catch those guys if they come anywhere near your town, I am lucky that they showed up practically next door! Here is a picture of Tom & Jeff that night: http://gisweb.cabq.gov/new/kaiser/IMG_0016.JPG -jas Albuquerque dimbulb.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 21:57:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597613BEFE; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace? Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:57:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c68046$45c91570$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060525215345.26241.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcaARbJajs77PHEZTtSn4hN56Lw54AAABcXg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:57:57 +0000 (UTC) I don't think the shoe issue should be neglected - or rather be put in a more general view: rehearse wearing the clothes you want to perform in. = When playing a performance recently, I decided to remain in the clothes I was wearing at that point (black band tee (Tool?), black jeans and black sneakers) instead of changing into my looping outfit. When setting up my gear, I found out I couldn't play my floorboard with these shoes and had = to change into my looping shoes... > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2006 23:54 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Loopers-Delight on myspace? >=20 > --- William Walker wrote: >=20 > > BTW does anybody want to hear the > > story about the notorious 16th century Cat Piano? > > No? >=20 > I saw a picture of that cat piano on a myspace site. > :P >=20 > -t- >=20 > ps: I really did. It was on Ben Grossman's page. > He loops hurdy-gurdy=20 > with an EDP and a Repeater; ooops, I slipped on-topic there=20 > for a bit... Not sure if he's still a listmemeber, but if he=20 > is: hi Ben. >=20 > pps: speaking of looping shoes, I did a show in a really nice=20 > gallery Saturday night just in my socks. > (Well, in other clothes too, but with no shoes.) The places I=20 > used to play I'd never have dared. >=20 > ppps: it's funny, a lot of us who stray off topic on the list=20 > are the same ones who in "real life" can go on and on about=20 > looping at any opportunity to any captive audience! >=20 > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD:=20 > Chain Tape Collective:=20 > >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection=20 > around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 21:59:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E7F3BF28; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SNKukSQUJJRWhGxq4IKPqAtUayOj2AiTLN5ek2q1pdG7D+x8h+sW4Qi/umzwvkU4EbWqESXrlaKlwBRxb+XJmt4SH1+Cmby2T/k+MEkZwYDKQhZ+l7N4X+alvkVhRj/Cqjki+gnsAowUcGcaoXg2k56I9IiUg6AP//N1YzBRVe8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:59:30 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060525135017.04ebc7a8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060525135017.04ebc7a8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:59:31 +0000 (UTC) thanks. On 5/25/06, Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:34 PM 5/24/2006, mark t wrote: > >I think I need to clean the output knob on my EDP......it makes bleeps > >and bloops when I turn it and sometimes the audio will stop, I will > >turn more (bloop noise) and the audios back. how should I go about > >cleaning the knob. thanks. > > Shops like Radio Shack usually stock potentiometer cleaner. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:06:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6803BF23; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06af01c68047$68d5e740$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> Subject: Re: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:06:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 571, in=308027, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:06:04 +0000 (UTC) So the question is did Jeff OD on ring mod... :) Jeff..I still need to listen to all the CDs you gave me. I haven't even unpacked from BEMF yet. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Fink" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico > Greeting Loopers, > > Last Tuesday night California musicians Jeff Kaiser (trumpet & lap top), > Tom McNalley (guitar) > and locals Mark Weaver (tuba) & a Dave Wayne (drums) played at a coffee > house in my neighborhood (www.myspace.com/thebluedragoncoffeeshop). > Although my > little looping duo (Acids and Bases) has played there a few times, it is > usually > an acoustic-folk oriented place where those not old enough to buy a beer > hang-out in droves. > It is a nice little venue, but I must admit it is not a scene in which > experimental music is > completely accepted by the patrons (the mgt is very cool with many > different genera). > > > Because of the venue, and the fact that a Wayne Horvitz ensemble was > appearing at the > local Jazz venue that same night, the show was sparsely attended. > Undaunted, > Jeff and Co. played 2 fine sets of improvised music. Jeff processes his > trumpet with a Mac > powerbook, a MOTU UltraLight thingy, and several CC pedals & midi > keyboard... > he loops, slices, dices and creates everything from an uproarious din to > tiny little sounds > (even the looping little spit bubble sounds from deep within those coils > of brass!). > > Tom's guitar, a Fender Jazzmaster and Peavey Classic 30, had a raw organic > sound and was super. > A small arsenal of effects, (EH Freq Analyzer, Tech 21 comp, Zvex SHO & > Fuzz > Factory, Boss DD20) helped modify his sound, but he did great things with > even > clean settings. I think there is certainly a lot of Nels Cline influence > in his style, but > he has his own thing going. Often noisy, jazzy stuff, he is all over the > fretboard > and he also grooves. As a guitar player, I couldn't help but go ga-ga over > what Tom was doing. > > All the musicians were great on stage that night, showing their chops at > the appropriate times > and sitting out at other times (I know I should take note of this, as I > often feel like > I should be doing something on my guitar all-the-time). > > > Talked a little bit with them after the show, bought a couple CD's (to > which I am now listening) > and had a great time. It was a pleasure meeting them, and I think Jeff is > a real asset to our > looping community. Catch those guys if they come anywhere near your town, > I am lucky that > they showed up practically next door! > > > Here is a picture of Tom & Jeff that night: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/new/kaiser/IMG_0016.JPG > > > -jas > Albuquerque > dimbulb.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:08:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08B83BF2D; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <3ff70379a79b07a601d42349fdf50628@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:08:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:08:43 +0000 (UTC) jeez....I look a little nuts in that photo.... :-) thanks, jason, it was great to meet you and Jim. That is a great venue, and we had a blast. Also: a big thanks for housing Tom that night.... best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 25, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Jason Fink wrote: > Greeting Loopers, > > Last Tuesday night California musicians Jeff Kaiser (trumpet & lap=20 > top), Tom McNalley (guitar) > and locals Mark Weaver (tuba) & a Dave Wayne (drums) played at a = coffee > house in my neighborhood (www.myspace.com/thebluedragoncoffeeshop). =20= > Although my > little looping duo (Acids and Bases) has played there a few times, it=20= > is usually > an acoustic-folk oriented place where those not old enough to buy a=20 > beer hang-out in droves. > It is a nice little venue, but I must admit it is not a scene in which=20= > experimental music is > completely accepted by the patrons (the mgt is very cool with many=20 > different genera). > > > Because of the venue, and the fact that a Wayne Horvitz ensemble was=20= > appearing at the > local Jazz venue that same night, the show was sparsely attended. =20 > Undaunted, > Jeff and Co. played 2 fine sets of improvised music. Jeff processes=20 > his trumpet with a Mac > powerbook, a MOTU UltraLight thingy, and several CC pedals & midi=20 > keyboard... > he loops, slices, dices and creates everything from an uproarious din=20= > to tiny little sounds > (even the looping little spit bubble sounds from deep within those=20 > coils of brass!). > > Tom's guitar, a Fender Jazzmaster and Peavey Classic 30, had a raw=20 > organic sound and was super. > A small arsenal of effects, (EH Freq Analyzer, Tech 21 comp, Zvex SHO=20= > & Fuzz > Factory, Boss DD20) helped modify his sound, but he did great things=20= > with even > clean settings. I think there is certainly a lot of Nels Cline=20 > influence in his style, but > he has his own thing going. Often noisy, jazzy stuff, he is all over=20= > the fretboard > and he also grooves. As a guitar player, I couldn't help but go ga-ga=20= > over what Tom was doing. > > All the musicians were great on stage that night, showing their chops=20= > at the appropriate times > and sitting out at other times (I know I should take note of this, as=20= > I often feel like > I should be doing something on my guitar all-the-time). > > > Talked a little bit with them after the show, bought a couple CD's (to=20= > which I am now listening) > and had a great time. It was a pleasure meeting them, and I think=20 > Jeff is a real asset to our > looping community. Catch those guys if they come anywhere near your=20= > town, I am lucky that > they showed up practically next door! > > > Here is a picture of Tom & Jeff that night: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/new/kaiser/IMG_0016.JPG > > > -jas > Albuquerque > dimbulb.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 249EC3BF3B; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight on myspace? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07196C@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Loopers-Delight on myspace? thread-index: AcaAQd9LyvD/Z4xMTk6KQHghRqeM0gABYilQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]=20 > > Hey Jeff, would you please stop getting down with your bad=20 > self? I mean hey, this is a site devoted to looping,=20 > so maybe find another site to bring on the noise and bring > on the funk at. Believe me I've tried. But when you possess the levels of weapons-grade funk that I do, it's just hard to keep it contained. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:22:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE3B3BF3F; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06cd01c68049$a8de59b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <3ff70379a79b07a601d42349fdf50628@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:22:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=320947, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4l4wwD.A.zIH.S4idEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC) That's because you are nuts, Jeff. Remember, insane people don't actually know they are insane. Check this one out: http://www.box.net/public/static/rijaltzrf8.jpg You look like someone is torturing you beneath the table..... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico jeez....I look a little nuts in that photo.... :-) thanks, jason, it was great to meet you and Jim. That is a great venue, and we had a blast. Also: a big thanks for housing Tom that night.... best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On May 25, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Jason Fink wrote: > Greeting Loopers, > > Last Tuesday night California musicians Jeff Kaiser (trumpet & lap top), > Tom McNalley (guitar) > and locals Mark Weaver (tuba) & a Dave Wayne (drums) played at a coffee > house in my neighborhood (www.myspace.com/thebluedragoncoffeeshop). > Although my > little looping duo (Acids and Bases) has played there a few times, it is > usually > an acoustic-folk oriented place where those not old enough to buy a beer > hang-out in droves. > It is a nice little venue, but I must admit it is not a scene in which > experimental music is > completely accepted by the patrons (the mgt is very cool with many > different genera). > > > Because of the venue, and the fact that a Wayne Horvitz ensemble was > appearing at the > local Jazz venue that same night, the show was sparsely attended. > Undaunted, > Jeff and Co. played 2 fine sets of improvised music. Jeff processes his > trumpet with a Mac > powerbook, a MOTU UltraLight thingy, and several CC pedals & midi > keyboard... > he loops, slices, dices and creates everything from an uproarious din to > tiny little sounds > (even the looping little spit bubble sounds from deep within those coils > of brass!). > > Tom's guitar, a Fender Jazzmaster and Peavey Classic 30, had a raw organic > sound and was super. > A small arsenal of effects, (EH Freq Analyzer, Tech 21 comp, Zvex SHO & > Fuzz > Factory, Boss DD20) helped modify his sound, but he did great things with > even > clean settings. I think there is certainly a lot of Nels Cline influence > in his style, but > he has his own thing going. Often noisy, jazzy stuff, he is all over the > fretboard > and he also grooves. As a guitar player, I couldn't help but go ga-ga over > what Tom was doing. > > All the musicians were great on stage that night, showing their chops at > the appropriate times > and sitting out at other times (I know I should take note of this, as I > often feel like > I should be doing something on my guitar all-the-time). > > > Talked a little bit with them after the show, bought a couple CD's (to > which I am now listening) > and had a great time. It was a pleasure meeting them, and I think Jeff is > a real asset to our > looping community. Catch those guys if they come anywhere near your town, > I am lucky that > they showed up practically next door! > > > Here is a picture of Tom & Jeff that night: > http://gisweb.cabq.gov/new/kaiser/IMG_0016.JPG > > > -jas > Albuquerque > dimbulb.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:22:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B27C3BF41; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b+VtJMof+TxafxaSpFV1LQh9f5r5ln1W7qX1G6D1oJdOGGu0Qnun1Es6QpLutBQ2Ru2Xcr7YcIH3Du48zvXRDaL3HCNwIH4FjlFulrlnXvrdfLy19eTZAKqHhP/ME4adYWPh0iAvHaSeJPqm3XyaLRNcyADXqGPUYSFi0VJAlGY= ; Message-ID: <20060525222209.80692.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c68046$45c91570$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <99cilD.A.JMH.T4idEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Oh, absolutely. Loop-specific footwear is a non-issue for those with small feet. But for those of us with hooves over, say, size 10, the closeness of switch spacing often makes it impossible to only hit one switch at a time with our clodhoppers. In my case, I've just overhauled my pedalboard (again), and it's quite tight for my 13's. There's a shot of me looping a dulcimer clad in socks at It's the 5th picture, the one where the film being projected is green. I'm just to the right of the square white shelves. And actually, the fact that I was accompanying a silent avant-garde film presented a more serious problem than the footwear. Normally I have SOME light onstage, but Saturday I was in pitch darkness and couldn't see my rack! -t- --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I don't think the shoe issue should be neglected - > or rather be put in a > more general view: rehearse wearing the clothes you > want to perform in. When > playing a performance recently, I decided to remain > in the clothes I was > wearing at that point (black band tee (Tool?), black > jeans and black > sneakers) instead of changing into my looping > outfit. When setting up my > gear, I found out I couldn't play my floorboard with > these shoes and had to > change into my looping shoes... 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224783BF3F; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=diaxsMlcFAGFw7CkyvVEsJMW0drwoD2wgFEH3mIITYQXA4q3o2cq3YzOLx+PZ0pFnSqa5bFmRpND5dQ9lG44RrmrZ11Qcv0QuK/UIa/daOHSDR5qtEOqtEuZPAVSqaEVPmltCK/ZgC/gvADBN4G9yqRNLSFICpu7dleATGeLYBk= ; Message-ID: <20060525222526.69800.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:25:31 +0000 (UTC) I don't know how true this is, but I was told that USB 2 is indeed faster for smaller bursts of information, but not as good for long streams of data like audio or video which is why all pro video DV gear uses Firwire and you don't find many USB2 audio interfaces. --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > By technical specifications the PCI (and PCMCIA > cardbus) > > protocol is slightly faster than firewire 800. > Firewire 400 > > is a little bit faster than USB 2. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:33:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C0D3BF18; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <06cd01c68049$a8de59b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <3ff70379a79b07a601d42349fdf50628@pfmentum.com> <06cd01c68049$a8de59b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5950978e482a0fc75c5974ad7056b058@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Jeff Kaiser & Co. hit New Mexico Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:33:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:33:33 +0000 (UTC) On May 25, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's because you are nuts, Jeff. Remember, insane people don't > actually know they are insane. Check this one out: > http://www.box.net/public/static/rijaltzrf8.jpg You look like someone > is torturing you beneath the table..... > > Kris Good god, I am now, from this moment on, installing a "NO PHOTOGRAPHS" rule at all my shows.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7333BF2E; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:33:46 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c6804b$494307b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060525222209.80692.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcaASavNwQeQz6aOQ4KPq6sBaFF8VgAAN4kQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Ok, now that we're in "present your looping footwear" country: Frankly, I don't know where these 13 sizes you mention fall in; I have 40 to 41 in our German system, which translates to 6 1/2-7 in some other...but on my FCB1010, hitting only one switch with shoes with a somewhat bigger footprint (like some sport shoes) poses a problem. Here are my preferred looping shoes: http://www.moinlabs.de/images/NNKW12.jpg These are budo shoes, which are very slim and light and have thin rubber soles - another option might be Ninja boots. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 22:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4D53BF32; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fv3PxsUouErLeptTCt4bEKnnD2w+zXV3eyksqJL3MV06p+mRlTE7xQbzm204sR9hMPe4kJJhcJWt95nYZZO4lJrHkP+HUXJz9mIBKOoPH1y8VO8AxcnosxGxlr9JmVY6LzOIM9z9KwmrNuUpMZAggrgSwYcxkKbksl6/9HiYBSI= ; Message-ID: <20060525225610.12108.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AW: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c6804b$494307b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:56:12 +0000 (UTC) --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I don't know where these 13 sizes you > mention fall in; I have 40 to > 41 in our German system, which translates to 6 1/2-7 > in some other... 13's are roughly the size of a medium bathtub, European size 45. I can negotiate my pedalboard with shoes easily when standing, but this was a sit-down cello gig where I generally keep my heels in contact with the floor and swivel my feet to hit the switches. -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 23:05:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F0D3BF18; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4702.128.193.37.212.1148598293.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <000d01c6804b$494307b0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <20060525222209.80692.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000d01c6804b$494307b0$0101a8c0@succubus> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Looping shoes From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:05:01 +0000 (UTC) > Ok, now that we're in "present your looping footwear" country: For size 12 me, it's cowboy boots or bare feet. Sneakers (trainers) are a bit of a tight fit. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 25 23:09:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D080B3BF18; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4943.128.193.37.212.1148598597.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07196C@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07196C@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight on myspace? From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:09:58 +0000 (UTC) > Believe me I've tried. But when you possess the levels of > weapons-grade funk that I do, it's just hard to keep it contained. Ah yes, Weapons of Mass Distraction. Peace, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 00:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 928F03BF2C; Fri, 26 May 2006 00:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ui4CoE+lTL5o9JGkYzw6T5P1wWKyGychVD4R+GmAS5z/yVQZ4eYyeL5tTBHoxLyl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006552604935760@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:49:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f5566c8b080eaf516203b2ab9d98c1ec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:47:31 +0000 (UTC) I wear 13s myself... as a bigfoot teenager, I was often told that I needed a riverboat captain's license for my shoes. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 5/25/2006 6:56:12 PM > Subject: Re: AW: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) > > > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > I don't know where these 13 sizes you > > mention fall in; I have 40 to > > 41 in our German system, which translates to 6 1/2-7 > > in some other... > > 13's are roughly the size of a medium bathtub, > European size 45. I can negotiate my pedalboard with > shoes easily when standing, but this was a sit-down > cello gig where I generally keep my heels in contact > with the floor and swivel my feet to hit the switches. > > -t- > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 01:11:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D7B3BF2E; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gzTuJWjw0Dx7cTfB2N3t4MvOdalUZSWMmq09shFdCClP/nI0Adt1kE8H/Czm3TRYYRonTRaaN/okk5uAdphMhfYICUjucDZcpw5igoQsoCmyo67Ee+c8wgQwbDz4a6JAixBXawHJrGzoIA7//CqO6PTiwoffiDMDnTf0M+xLDvQ= ; Message-ID: <20060526011133.38515.qmail@web33807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Way Off Topic: Looping shoes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c6804b$494307b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1376688495-1148605893=:38356" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:11:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1376688495-1148605893=:38356 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit But looping shoes are nothing compared to cruel shoes... For your reading pleasure, I present Steve Martin's (yes, Steve Martin the comedian/playright) first book "Cruel Shoes", the chapter titled "Cruel Shoes". For the rest of a very funny book - http://www.compleatsteve.com/miscellany/cruelshoes_1.htm Cruel Shoes Anna knew she had to have some new shoes today, and Carlo had helped her try on every pair in the store. Carlo spoke wearily, "Well, that's every pair of shoes in the place." "Oh, you must have one more pair..." "No, not one more pair... Well, we have the cruel shoes, but no one would want..." Anna interrupted, "Oh yes, let me see the cruel shoes!" Carlo looked incredulous. "No Anna, you don't understand, you see the cruel shoes are..." "Get them!" Carlo disappeared into the back room for a moment, then returned with an ordinary shoe box. He opened the lid and removed a hideous pair of black and white pumps. But these were not an ordinary pair of black and white pumps; both were left feet, one had a right angle turn with separate compartments that pointed the toes in impossible directions. The other shoe was six inches long and was curved inward like a rocking chair with a vise and razor blades to hold the foot in place. Carlo spoke hesitantly, "... Now you see why... they're not fit for humans..." "Put them on me." "But..." "Put them on me!" Carlo knew all arguments were useless. He knelt down before her and forced the feet into the shoes. The screams were incredible. Anna crawled over to the mirror and held her bloody feet up where she could see. "I like them." She paid Carlo and crawled out of the store into the street. Later that day, Carlo was overheard saying to a new customer, "Well, that's every shoe in the place. Unless, of course, you'd like to try the cruel shoes." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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But looping shoes are nothing compared to cruel shoes...
 
For your reading pleasure, I present Steve Martin's (yes, Steve Martin the comedian/playright) first book "Cruel Shoes", the chapter titled "Cruel Shoes".
 
 

Cruel Shoes
Anna knew she had to have some new shoes today, and Carlo had helped her try on every pair in the store. Carlo spoke wearily, "Well, that's every pair of shoes in the place."

"Oh, you must have one more pair..."

"No, not one more pair... Well, we have the cruel shoes, but no one would want..."

Anna interrupted, "Oh yes, let me see the cruel shoes!"

Carlo looked incredulous. "No Anna, you don't understand, you see the cruel shoes are..."

"Get them!"

Carlo disappeared into the back room for a moment, then returned with an ordinary shoe box. He opened the lid and removed a hideous pair of black and white pumps. But these were not an ordinary pair of black and white pumps; both were left feet, one had a right angle turn with separate compartments that pointed the toes in impossible directions. The other shoe was six inches long and was curved inward like a rocking chair with a vise and razor blades to hold the foot in place.

Carlo spoke hesitantly, "... Now you see why... they're not fit for humans..."

"Put them on me."

"But..."

"Put them on me!"

Carlo knew all arguments were useless. He knelt down before her and forced the feet into the shoes.

The screams were incredible.

Anna crawled over to the mirror and held her bloody feet up where she could see.

"I like them."

She paid Carlo and crawled out of the store into the street.

Later that day, Carlo was overheard saying to a new customer, "Well, that's every shoe in the place. Unless, of course, you'd like to try the cruel shoes."
 
 

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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-1376688495-1148605893=:38356-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 06:13:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861963BF29; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <053f01c68004$4e73e340$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007201c68015$04592f20$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:13:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 573, in=313366, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Here is my status quo on this issue: To hell with using the computer for looping and music performance. I'm so fed up with the troubleshooting, installing, uninstalling, tweaking, loading, unloading, configuring, re-configuring, testing, rebooting, modifying, etc, etc, ad nauseum that I could projectile vomit from here to who knows where. I can tolerate only so much of this nonsense. I just used system restore to restore my new ThinkPad to the way it was when I received it out of the box. Thank goodness I had system restore active for a while before I installed this blasted software and audio hardware. I removed hundreds of dollars worth of all my audio programs, VST hosts, VST effects, Echo IO, etc. I'm going to take a break from this bullshit for a while and get back to playing my instrument with my simple two space rack: my Looperlative and two Boss VF1s. I'll just let all this software sit in archive mode for a while, so I can prioritize and get my mind right for another experimental festival I'm playing at in a few weeks. ....I should have spent my money on an evantide or Muse Receptor. I may still get the Receptor so that I can take advantage of all my VSTs. At least my ThinkPad is back to original condition so that I can use this screamin $2800 machine to check email and surf the web at my local coffee shops! :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 06:30:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C843BF2A; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:30:11 +0200 Message-Id: <23721817@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Peters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more cut-up radio Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Sender: veloopity@web.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:30:17 +0000 (UTC) I did two very enjoyable cut-up radio sets in Amsterdam recently. Gear used: a radio as the only sound source; an EDP for the cutting up of the input; and a small reverb unit. Everything was improvised as the input from the radio is essentially unpredictable. Read Harold Schellinx's blog about the event here: http://www.harsmedia.com/SoundBlog/ Listen to one of the two sets here: http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm (the Amsterdam entry on the bottom of the page) Comments welcome, as always :-) Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 07:17:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30F203BF2E; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4476ABD9.4090107@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:18:49 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper on craigslist in Portland, OR References: <23721817@web.de> In-Reply-To: <23721817@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (no association to seller, just passin' it on -David) Repeater, Yamaha MFC-10 Midi Foot controller http://portland.craigslist.org/msg/164727195.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 13:01:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6D83BF3A; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Thread-Index: AcaAi4+LJXreIZCcRgOW7awUFB/oKgANMy1g From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 13:01:16.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[797C6A60:01C680C4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:01:18 +0000 (UTC) This whole sequence prompts me to solicit everyone's thoughts on the environmental impact of gear acquisition syndrome and the migration to computers of so much of what "electronic musicians" of any stripe do. On the level of the individual, committing to computers requires a readiness to upgrade/ replace at a steady clip, even if you don't care about the latest and greatest, because eventually your computer will break and you won't be able to get it fixed, because the OS is an antique or the connection protocol is kaput or the software you used is no longer made and you can't find the install discs, or they've gone bad... just to list a few of the reasons that an elderly computer and associated audio software and peripherals won't last a lifetime. I'll trust that no one needs to be apprised of how much toxic stuff is in the machines that then get tossed, or what happens to it. I kept an Atari 520ST running Hybrid Arts software and a 16-bit sampler together for 15 years. To be honest, if I were willing to become more of a geek then I could probably still have it working. Maybe one way to address this issue is to say, if you are going to use this stuff, then be responsible enough to keep it working, and if you can't, perhaps you shouldn't be using it. I've not been able to stick to that resolution myself. Instead, I've left a trail of the Atari, the Twinhead laptop, and the DirectWave desktop, along with several soundcards, never mind other peripherals. Meanwhile, my 1974 Les Paul is worth 5 times what I paid for it, other guitars retain their value, and there is no reason to think a guitar, amp, VF-1 and EDP won't be running splendidly in 20 years, albeit with some maintenance that doesn't require a degree. So even though I am a Cubase addict, love Absynth and Halion and AudioMulch, and have been planning to dive into the batch of VSTs that Krispen researched and so generously shared info about, I've concluded that moving wholly into the CPU realm isn't a good idea. On the larger scale, the use of computers everywhere for everything is so widely touted as a boon to productivity, and so often cited as an environmental benefit because pixels replace paper and people can telecommute, that it seems blasphemous to question this received wisdom. I'm not so sure. Try looking up the "cost of the Internet"... it's interesting how little you can find about it. But all these home and business boxes consuming power, plus all the servers and the enormous server banks, are using a LOT of energy. I don't see paper use radically reduced. Telecommuting is anything but common. Then there is the waste stream of electronics. I could go on, but let that be my rant for the day. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Here is my status quo on this issue: To hell with using the computer for=20 looping and music performance. I'm so fed up with the troubleshooting,=20 installing, uninstalling, tweaking, loading, unloading, configuring,=20 re-configuring, testing, rebooting, modifying, etc, etc, ad nauseum that I=20 could projectile vomit from here to who knows where. I can tolerate only so=20 much of this nonsense. I just used system restore to restore my new ThinkPad to the way it was when=20 I received it out of the box. Thank goodness I had system restore active for=20 a while before I installed this blasted software and audio hardware. I removed hundreds of dollars worth of all my audio programs, VST hosts, VST=20 effects, Echo IO, etc. I'm going to take a break from this bullshit for a=20 while and get back to playing my instrument with my simple two space rack:=20 my Looperlative and two Boss VF1s. I'll just let all this software sit in=20 archive mode for a while, so I can prioritize and get my mind right for=20 another experimental festival I'm playing at in a few weeks. ....I should have spent my money on an evantide or Muse Receptor. I may=20 still get the Receptor so that I can take advantage of all my VSTs. At least my ThinkPad is back to original condition so that I can use this=20 screamin $2800 machine to check email and surf the web at my local coffee=20 shops! :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 13:26:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F123BF3F; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:26:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3HrkKB.A.5-E.AIwdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Hal thank you for entering this "FAQ" subject here is a reply for the Snap,Crakle, Krispen show thread I didnt send, because I found it a little too provocative at that moment but I changed my mind :=) here it is- --------------------------- During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware musicians where playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they really know. dobidobi--dow :=) Claude Ap13-Switchblade-2 edps- Gforce- pcm80- Clavia G2- 8port se- pc1600x - pmc10 - almost the same setup since year 2000 and almost no HW failure (GForce had a slowly diying display and I had to change the batteries in the pmc10 ) And yes it is a lot heavier but I setup in 15 min from closed racks to tuned guitars I programmed all sounds, all fx, all configs myself, I know exactly all buttons, functions, pedals years ago. I can play the devices fast, improvise with them, all relaxed without the "display angst looper face" and also yes, it is a very very expensive setup compared to a laptop a sound card and "free" softwares. but I still think analog mixing/summing of different sources/devices sounds a lot better, richer and punchier than bit crunched sources comming out all from the same DA converter and no latency in my vocabulary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean, Hal " To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems This whole sequence prompts me to solicit everyone's thoughts on the environmental impact of gear acquisition syndrome and the migration to computers of so much of what "electronic musicians" of any stripe do. On the level of the individual, committing to computers requires a readiness to upgrade/ replace at a steady clip, even if you don't care about the latest and greatest, because eventually your computer will break and you won't be able to get it fixed, because the OS is an antique or the connection protocol is kaput or the software you used is no longer made and you can't find the install discs, or they've gone bad... just to list a few of the reasons that an elderly computer and associated audio software and peripherals won't last a lifetime. I'll trust that no one needs to be apprised of how much toxic stuff is in the machines that then get tossed, or what happens to it. I kept an Atari 520ST running Hybrid Arts software and a 16-bit sampler together for 15 years. To be honest, if I were willing to become more of a geek then I could probably still have it working. Maybe one way to address this issue is to say, if you are going to use this stuff, then be responsible enough to keep it working, and if you can't, perhaps you shouldn't be using it. I've not been able to stick to that resolution myself. Instead, I've left a trail of the Atari, the Twinhead laptop, and the DirectWave desktop, along with several soundcards, never mind other peripherals. Meanwhile, my 1974 Les Paul is worth 5 times what I paid for it, other guitars retain their value, and there is no reason to think a guitar, amp, VF-1 and EDP won't be running splendidly in 20 years, albeit with some maintenance that doesn't require a degree. So even though I am a Cubase addict, love Absynth and Halion and AudioMulch, and have been planning to dive into the batch of VSTs that Krispen researched and so generously shared info about, I've concluded that moving wholly into the CPU realm isn't a good idea. On the larger scale, the use of computers everywhere for everything is so widely touted as a boon to productivity, and so often cited as an environmental benefit because pixels replace paper and people can telecommute, that it seems blasphemous to question this received wisdom. I'm not so sure. Try looking up the "cost of the Internet"... it's interesting how little you can find about it. But all these home and business boxes consuming power, plus all the servers and the enormous server banks, are using a LOT of energy. I don't see paper use radically reduced. Telecommuting is anything but common. Then there is the waste stream of electronics. I could go on, but let that be my rant for the day. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Here is my status quo on this issue: To hell with using the computer for looping and music performance. I'm so fed up with the troubleshooting, installing, uninstalling, tweaking, loading, unloading, configuring, re-configuring, testing, rebooting, modifying, etc, etc, ad nauseum that I could projectile vomit from here to who knows where. I can tolerate only so much of this nonsense. I just used system restore to restore my new ThinkPad to the way it was when I received it out of the box. Thank goodness I had system restore active for a while before I installed this blasted software and audio hardware. I removed hundreds of dollars worth of all my audio programs, VST hosts, VST effects, Echo IO, etc. I'm going to take a break from this bullshit for a while and get back to playing my instrument with my simple two space rack: my Looperlative and two Boss VF1s. I'll just let all this software sit in archive mode for a while, so I can prioritize and get my mind right for another experimental festival I'm playing at in a few weeks. ....I should have spent my money on an evantide or Muse Receptor. I may still get the Receptor so that I can take advantage of all my VSTs. At least my ThinkPad is back to original condition so that I can use this screamin $2800 machine to check email and surf the web at my local coffee shops! :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 13:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853883BF46; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:53:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) Message-ID: <4476A5E6.6269.4E0DA2ED@muman.eskimo.com> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20060525135017.04ebc7a8@loopers-delight.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <46pmSC.A.skF.ufwdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm going to delurk for a moment. I have found that Radio Shack Pot Cleaner will leave a residue after the solvent evaporates. This residue gets sticky over time and you get stuck in a cleaning loop: more cleaner to break down the residue, which in turn deposits yet more residue. I use Caig Laboratories Deoxit D5 (D5S-6). While not cheap, no residue. www.caig.com > At 02:34 PM 5/24/2006, mark t wrote: > >I think I need to clean the output knob on my EDP......it makes bleeps > >and bloops when I turn it and sometimes the audio will stop, I will > >turn more (bloop noise) and the audios back. how should I go about > >cleaning the knob. thanks. > > Shops like Radio Shack usually stock potentiometer cleaner. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 14:00:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 233633BF44; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F9DD795-8EB8-4A75-B1F4-3D10F226E6F4@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:00:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <885hnB.A.rRG.xnwdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:00:18 +0000 (UTC) On May 26, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware musicians where > playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they really know. And so have legions of "software" musicians who, apparently through some divine miracle, have perfectly functioning computer-based systems. > no latency in my vocabulary Nor mine :-) Now, where did I put those shoes... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 14:01:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C793BF4A; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:59:48 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #478 for March 25, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <447709D4.6030301@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <-s4w3B.A.lbG.HpwdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:01:43 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060525.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #478 May 25, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Bruno Sanfilippo. The Featured CD at Midnight was "ad libitum" on ad21 Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Electronical Dreams" by various artists on Brain Records and released in 1975. Bruno Sanfilippo - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [Cluster] Heisse Lippen Electronical Dreams (Brain) Indra Quick Movement Signs (Spheric) Radio Massacre The First Cry Septentrional (DiN) International VA [Xeroid Entity] Outside My Window electro-music 2006 (electro-music) Sylvan Lamirande Analogesique Analogique Rude Awakening (Samarkande) Klaus Schulze Ebene Irrlicht (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Bruno Sanfilippo Hipnoide ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Intention ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Devocion ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Deceptive Beauty ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Oniria ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Oppio ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Luminae Psicoactive ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo ad libitum ad libitum (ad21) Bruno Sanfilippo Ludico ad libitum (ad21) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Diminishing Light" on Blue Water Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Grun" by Konrad Schnitzler on Block Records and released in 1981. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 14:12:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C573BF51; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c680ce$66999f80$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:12:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=321329, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:12:21 +0000 (UTC) That's so true, Claude. This is why I always have a hardware system on the side to back me up. It satisfies all my looping needs, just not all my effect needs, which is why I turned to the laptop. For $800 and some browsing the internet, I was able to acquire enough VST effects that would fill a 10 space rack if I had gone to hardware. That's the ideal. I still like the idea of an all laptop system, but until implementing that idea is as simple and painless as plugging into my Boss VF1 and Looperlative, it's not worth my time. So now I have shifted my focus to a hardware system, while working on a notebook system in the background that may pop in and out of my performances depending on how it is working. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > Hal > > thank you for entering this "FAQ" subject > here is a reply for the Snap,Crakle, Krispen show thread I didnt send, > because I found it a little too provocative at that moment but I changed > my mind :=) > here it is- > --------------------------- > > During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware musicians where > playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they really know. > > dobidobi--dow > > :=) > > Claude > > > Ap13-Switchblade-2 edps- Gforce- pcm80- Clavia G2- 8port se- pc1600x - > pmc10 - > > almost the same setup since year 2000 and almost no HW failure (GForce had > a > slowly diying display and I had to change the batteries in the pmc10 ) > > And yes it is a lot heavier but I setup in 15 min from closed racks to > tuned > guitars > > I programmed all sounds, all fx, all configs myself, I know exactly all > buttons, functions, pedals years ago. > I can play the devices fast, improvise with them, all relaxed without the > "display angst looper face" > > and also yes, it is a very very expensive setup compared to a laptop a > sound > card and "free" softwares. > > but I still think analog mixing/summing of different sources/devices > sounds > a lot better, richer and punchier than bit crunched sources comming out > all > from the same DA converter > > and > > no latency in my vocabulary > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean, Hal " > To: > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:01 PM > Subject: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, > Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > > > This whole sequence prompts me to solicit everyone's thoughts on the > environmental impact of gear acquisition syndrome and the migration to > computers of so much of what "electronic musicians" of any stripe do. > > On the level of the individual, committing to computers requires a > readiness to upgrade/ replace at a steady clip, even if you don't care > about the latest and greatest, because eventually your computer will > break and you won't be able to get it fixed, because the OS is an > antique or the connection protocol is kaput or the software you used is > no longer made and you can't find the install discs, or they've gone > bad... just to list a few of the reasons that an elderly computer and > associated audio software and peripherals won't last a lifetime. I'll > trust that no one needs to be apprised of how much toxic stuff is in the > machines that then get tossed, or what happens to it. > > I kept an Atari 520ST running Hybrid Arts software and a 16-bit sampler > together for 15 years. To be honest, if I were willing to become more > of a geek then I could probably still have it working. Maybe one way to > address this issue is to say, if you are going to use this stuff, then > be responsible enough to keep it working, and if you can't, perhaps you > shouldn't be using it. > > I've not been able to stick to that resolution myself. Instead, I've > left a trail of the Atari, the Twinhead laptop, and the DirectWave > desktop, along with several soundcards, never mind other peripherals. > Meanwhile, my 1974 Les Paul is worth 5 times what I paid for it, other > guitars retain their value, and there is no reason to think a guitar, > amp, VF-1 and EDP won't be running splendidly in 20 years, albeit with > some maintenance that doesn't require a degree. > > So even though I am a Cubase addict, love Absynth and Halion and > AudioMulch, and have been planning to dive into the batch of VSTs that > Krispen researched and so generously shared info about, I've concluded > that moving wholly into the CPU realm isn't a good idea. > > On the larger scale, the use of computers everywhere for everything is > so widely touted as a boon to productivity, and so often cited as an > environmental benefit because pixels replace paper and people can > telecommute, that it seems blasphemous to question this received wisdom. > I'm not so sure. Try looking up the "cost of the Internet"... it's > interesting how little you can find about it. But all these home and > business boxes consuming power, plus all the servers and the enormous > server banks, are using a LOT of energy. I don't see paper use radically > reduced. Telecommuting is anything but common. Then there is the waste > stream of electronics. > > I could go on, but let that be my rant for the day. > > Hal Dean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:14 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > > > Here is my status quo on this issue: To hell with using the computer > for > looping and music performance. I'm so fed up with the troubleshooting, > installing, uninstalling, tweaking, loading, unloading, configuring, > re-configuring, testing, rebooting, modifying, etc, etc, ad nauseum that > I > could projectile vomit from here to who knows where. I can tolerate only > so > much of this nonsense. > > I just used system restore to restore my new ThinkPad to the way it was > when > I received it out of the box. Thank goodness I had system restore active > for > a while before I installed this blasted software and audio hardware. > > I removed hundreds of dollars worth of all my audio programs, VST hosts, > VST > effects, Echo IO, etc. I'm going to take a break from this bullshit for > a > while and get back to playing my instrument with my simple two space > rack: > my Looperlative and two Boss VF1s. I'll just let all this software sit > in > archive mode for a while, so I can prioritize and get my mind right for > another experimental festival I'm playing at in a few weeks. > > ....I should have spent my money on an evantide or Muse Receptor. I may > still get the Receptor so that I can take advantage of all my VSTs. > > At least my ThinkPad is back to original condition so that I can use > this > screamin $2800 machine to check email and surf the web at my local > coffee > shops! :) > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 14:16:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D91F3BF55; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a101c680ce$fffa9b70$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <9F9DD795-8EB8-4A75-B1F4-3D10F226E6F4@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:16:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 572, in=308392, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:16:38 +0000 (UTC) yeah, I question the term "perfect". :) That seems to be relative as well. Sure, if all I used my laptop for was to load up my simple VST host and load Mobius to loop....then I can do that now and it is pretty close to perfect. But as soon as you start adding complexity to the system, risk increases. As with me, I was building a VERY complex VST effect system. In the end what killed me is a contention issue between applications and hardware. This is the most frustrating thing about software and computer systems. Applications will often work great by themselves, but they don't always play nice with others, which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a different sound card. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > On May 26, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > > > During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware > musicians where > > playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they > really know. > > And so have legions of "software" musicians who, apparently through > some divine miracle, have perfectly functioning computer-based systems. > > > no latency in my vocabulary > > Nor mine :-) > > Now, where did I put those shoes... > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 14:19:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E661A3BF53; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Thread-Index: AcaAzwLDHJcQ4UcBSpmVaOUrLD4mcAAACtSA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 14:19:49.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[72B3CF10:01C680CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Which is why, leaving aside the environmentalist point of view for a minute, my ideal includes a laptop plus hardware, because each has distinct pros and cons. Hal -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems yeah, I question the term "perfect". :) That seems to be relative as well.=20 Sure, if all I used my laptop for was to load up my simple VST host and load=20 Mobius to loop....then I can do that now and it is pretty close to perfect.=20 But as soon as you start adding complexity to the system, risk increases.=20 As with me, I was building a VERY complex VST effect system. In the end what=20 killed me is a contention issue between applications and hardware. This is=20 the most frustrating thing about software and computer systems. Applications=20 will often work great by themselves, but they don't always play nice with=20 others, which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a=20 different sound card. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle,=20 Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > On May 26, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > > > During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware > musicians where > > playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they > really know. > > And so have legions of "software" musicians who, apparently through=20 > some divine miracle, have perfectly functioning computer-based=20 > systems. > > > no latency in my vocabulary > > Nor mine :-) > > Now, where did I put those shoes... > > Jeff >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 14:30:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1580E3BF59; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c601c680d0$f43143a0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:30:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=321348, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:30:38 +0000 (UTC) yup. That's where I was before, a hybrid system. I may even go back to that, because at least you can remove the laptop from the system and still have a workable solution. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean, Hal " To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Which is why, leaving aside the environmentalist point of view for a minute, my ideal includes a laptop plus hardware, because each has distinct pros and cons. Hal -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems yeah, I question the term "perfect". :) That seems to be relative as well. Sure, if all I used my laptop for was to load up my simple VST host and load Mobius to loop....then I can do that now and it is pretty close to perfect. But as soon as you start adding complexity to the system, risk increases. As with me, I was building a VERY complex VST effect system. In the end what killed me is a contention issue between applications and hardware. This is the most frustrating thing about software and computer systems. Applications will often work great by themselves, but they don't always play nice with others, which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a different sound card. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > On May 26, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Claude Voit wrote: > > > During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware > musicians where > > playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they > really know. > > And so have legions of "software" musicians who, apparently through > some divine miracle, have perfectly functioning computer-based > systems. > > > no latency in my vocabulary > > Nor mine :-) > > Now, where did I put those shoes... > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 15:38:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A42633BF5A; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WWJyQ+Oqkr/4U+tP+oWMerFdOF8kt86CfknEWeSDyVSJZmCkC/7OxSO3fLFtqEaYdT9QUQ0VMEHA0ImaVCUsO9tpOZI/jV2hAn2scLzMJo7VhAORzo1g+2K6ZJtO7ghur7ftEKU51WENtvT0f04Qpr1xZknl379bba3I1LXCsLo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:37:31 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:38:04 +0000 (UTC) On 5/26/06, Claude Voit wrote: > During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware musicians wher= e > playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they really know= . Different strokes--hardware has issues too. For me personally, the birth of my son meant my rack of gear with flashing lights had to be put out of his reach, and so I had to go through the process of hooking everything up my guitar to rack to amp each time I wanted to play, which got old fast. VSTs and modular hosts were a godsend. It's always something. I love big modular synthesizers like the serge and moog I used back in school. But I'd never own one, it would drive me crazy. I deal with the usual computer stuff at work, so for some reason it doesn't bug me at home, even if that doesn't seem to make any sort of logical sense. I actually feel like I understand my computer better, because I'm not just looking at a few digits on an LCD screen. --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:11:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940783BF5C; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4476A5E6.6269.4E0DA2ED@muman.eskimo.com> References: <4476A5E6.6269.4E0DA2ED@muman.eskimo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:02:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:11:52 +0000 (UTC) At 6:53 AM -0700 5/26/06, muman wrote: >Hi all, >I'm going to delurk for a moment. I have found that Radio Shack Pot >Cleaner will leave a residue after the solvent evaporates. This >residue gets sticky over time and you get stuck in a cleaning loop: >more cleaner to break down the residue, which in turn deposits yet >more residue. So what do we use to clean pots? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95E193BF5D; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:24:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) Message-ID: <4476C95F.4649.4E9832B6@muman.eskimo.com> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <4476A5E6.6269.4E0DA2ED@muman.eskimo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) This was actually part of the message: I use Caig Laboratories Deoxit D5 (D5S-6). While not cheap, no residue. www.caig.com > At 6:53 AM -0700 5/26/06, muman wrote: > >Hi all, > >I'm going to delurk for a moment. I have found that Radio Shack Pot > >Cleaner will leave a residue after the solvent evaporates. This > >residue gets sticky over time and you get stuck in a cleaning loop: > >more cleaner to break down the residue, which in turn deposits yet > >more residue. > > So what do we use to clean pots? > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://playback.trufun.com > > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:32:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B47203BF63; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4476C95F.4649.4E9832B6@muman.eskimo.com> References: <4476A5E6.6269.4E0DA2ED@muman.eskimo.com> <4476C95F.4649.4E9832B6@muman.eskimo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:29:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:32:18 +0000 (UTC) At 9:24 AM -0700 5/26/06, muman wrote: >This was actually part of the message: I use Caig Laboratories >Deoxit D5 (D5S-6). While not >cheap, no residue. THanks! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 707B43BF67; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NsigiwujxnQ9Fv2Hw7fE+q5x6nxCd/2WYEtt5/7cojm8osZrbbEtTfw9H1M7+T0dbedoKAAukKHiU7DUQ8FfPot8av5KPn3GPqttnkIp3rS++t1m7JXwQ5pD3zBGgXtmmFb197kIxYCjfT6Nz00lmlO9k9pq0LUyL7imsKRd9t0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90C6CA2A-1CC1-4315-AA06-97EE338ECA68@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:34:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:47 +0000 (UTC) > On 5/26/06, Claude Voit wrote: >> During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware >> musicians where >> playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they >> really know. Amusing remark! :-) That may be an accurate observation, but I think the remark tells more about different ambitions among users than general differences between hardware vs software based instruments. The traditional way to go for anyone who wants to improve as a musician/composer is to get the best tools available and stick with them to progress. If the choice goes to software this user may be tempted to "upgrade" or "try more plug-ins" or whatever possibilities there are to distract him. But this type of user will probably stick to the original rig set-up that he considers "his instrument", just because that's the only attitude that leads to the progress he has envisioned. On the other hand, some musicians may find a much more rewarding feeling in simply trying out a lot of gear, without necessarily learning much in terms of musicianship or composing from the process. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:37:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910BE3BF6C; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:37:45 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071985@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <00a101c680ce$fffa9b70$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems thread-index: AcaAzwPeUwKpNgVPSdatYwmSuLehnAAE2fGQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:37:40 +0000 (UTC) > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 >=20 > yeah, I question the term "perfect". :) That seems to be=20 > relative as well.=20 I thought you said that everything was fine before you tried to swap sound cards, no? Then it would stand to reason that if you reinstalled the OS and replayed your original steps that you would return to nirvana. > In the end what killed me is a contention issue between=20 > applications and hardware.=20 >... > which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a=20 > different sound card. All evidence suggests that what killed you was a badly written device driver. Your complex system was fine, or at least as fine as it was before you changed hardware. This is an unfortunate fact of life on Windows. I sympathize. Believe me, I've been standing over a computer with a half empty bottle of Jack and a crowbar many times. I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go laptop. Despite my background, I have a hard time recommending computer-based systems to people who consider themselves more as musicians than computer geeks. Computers are fragile little ecosystems that require an enormous amount of care and discipline, especially if you like to tinker or push the envelope. In fact, I'm warning everyone! Turn back! This way lies madness! The problem for me is simply that there is no alternative. So for those wishing to "cross over" all I can say is: get a crate of Jack and a copy of Norton Ghost, you're going to need 'em. Oh shit, is this off topic? Hmm, let me see... Hey, this looping thing sure is cool isn't it!!?? Anybody ever heard of Robert Fripp? I can't decide on a looper, should I get a DL-4 or 4 Looperlatives? My EDP foot controller doesn't work when it's underwater, is this normal? I just started a new band, Slim eBow and the Ambients. Check us out on MySpace. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8503BF52; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011001c680e3$831cc4b0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071985@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:43:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=321528, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:43:28 +0000 (UTC) I know, I know....I still have OS Reinstall in the back of my mind. It's just such a pain in the ass. That would be the true test. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff larson" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > yeah, I question the term "perfect". :) That seems to be > relative as well. I thought you said that everything was fine before you tried to swap sound cards, no? Then it would stand to reason that if you reinstalled the OS and replayed your original steps that you would return to nirvana. > In the end what killed me is a contention issue between > applications and hardware. >... > which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a > different sound card. All evidence suggests that what killed you was a badly written device driver. Your complex system was fine, or at least as fine as it was before you changed hardware. This is an unfortunate fact of life on Windows. I sympathize. Believe me, I've been standing over a computer with a half empty bottle of Jack and a crowbar many times. I'm not going to try to convince anyone to go laptop. Despite my background, I have a hard time recommending computer-based systems to people who consider themselves more as musicians than computer geeks. Computers are fragile little ecosystems that require an enormous amount of care and discipline, especially if you like to tinker or push the envelope. In fact, I'm warning everyone! Turn back! This way lies madness! The problem for me is simply that there is no alternative. So for those wishing to "cross over" all I can say is: get a crate of Jack and a copy of Norton Ghost, you're going to need 'em. Oh shit, is this off topic? Hmm, let me see... Hey, this looping thing sure is cool isn't it!!?? Anybody ever heard of Robert Fripp? I can't decide on a looper, should I get a DL-4 or 4 Looperlatives? My EDP foot controller doesn't work when it's underwater, is this normal? I just started a new band, Slim eBow and the Ambients. Check us out on MySpace. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6763BF75; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,177,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="211932232:sNHT22588312" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060526094247.010c4000@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:45:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071985@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <00a101c680ce$fffa9b70$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <88x5DB.A.4nE.pCzdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey Jeff - watch your new name - my band is "Slime Bow and the Ambience" At 2006.05.26 09:37 AM, jeff larson wrote: >work when it's underwater, is this normal? I just started >a new band, Slim eBow and the Ambients. Check us out on MySpace. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB8F3BF6C; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4821.128.193.37.212.1148662438.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <00a101c680ce$fffa9b70$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <9F9DD795-8EB8-4A75-B1F4-3D10F226E6F4@zonemobius.com> <00a101c680ce$fffa9b70$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: > This is > the most frustrating thing about software and computer systems. Applications > will often work great by themselves, but they don't always play nice with > others, which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a > different sound card. If I had to guess, I would say that your main problem is with the software driver for the soundcard. Computer hardware manufacturers usually write crummy software. Why? Because they don't think it's valuable so they under-budget for it. I think that computer hardware manufacturers of sound cards and such should open source the drivers for their software. That way the computer community can fix muckups. I don't think they should open source all the software, mind. There's a lot of software on those chips and it's valuable intellectual property. Just the drivers. My two cents. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 16:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F2C83BF7A; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060522153107.57582.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060522153107.57582.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-704197787 Message-Id: From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: O/T: looking for small cheap used synth Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:56:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5A5rL.A.6FF.WNzdEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-704197787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hey there everyone, sorry this is a bit off topic... i need a small relatively cheap used synth to bring with me down to brazil (or better yet buy from someone in brazil if there is anyone on this list!). i'm thinking something like the Alesis Micron, but could even be something old like the Yamaha DX 100 i had 20 years ago. as long as it's in decent working condition. if anyone has or knows of one, plz email me off-list. thanks-in-advance! oh, and when i say "cheap" i mean under $200. -3nki ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 'The most faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org --Apple-Mail-6-704197787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII hey there everyone, sorry this = is a bit off topic...

i need a small relatively = cheap used synth to bring with me down to brazil (or better yet buy from = someone in brazil if there is anyone on this list!). i'm thinking = something like the Alesis Micron, but could even be something old like = the Yamaha DX 100 i had 20 years ago. as long as it's in decent working = condition.

if = anyone has or knows of one, plz email me off-list.

thanks-in-advance!
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oh, and when i say = "cheap" i mean under $200.

-3nki




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= --Apple-Mail-6-704197787-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 18:24:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2543BF6A; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:24:10 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C07198C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems thread-index: AcaAi4+LJXreIZCcRgOW7awUFB/oKgANMy1gAAlhYYA= From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <0e3YD.A.1N.Ff0dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:24:06 +0000 (UTC) > From: Dean, Hal >=20 > This whole sequence prompts me to solicit everyone's thoughts on the > environmental impact of gear acquisition syndrome and the migration to > computers of so much of what "electronic musicians" of any stripe do. If you want to read about looping, HIT DELETE NOW! I think the environmental impact of computers is a reasonable topic of discussion, but I'm not convinced that the choices musicians make are very significant. People that use a computer only for music represent a tiny fraction of the computer market. An analogy might be: I'm concerned about the economy's dependence on oil, should we be using manual lawn mowers? > On the larger scale, the use of computers everywhere for everything is > so widely touted as a boon to productivity, and so often cited as an > environmental benefit because pixels replace paper and people can > telecommute, that it seems blasphemous to question this=20 > received wisdom. I think the productivity boon is unquestioned. I have not heard arguments that there is any great environmental benefit, at least not for pixels vs. paper. If anything, increases in productivity allow us to generate waste of all sorts more rapidly. > Try looking up the "cost of the Internet"... it's > interesting how little you can find about it. But all these home and > business boxes consuming power If you're concerned about power consumption, then stop using your toaster, hair dryer, television, and guitar amps. Stop consuming so much disposable manufactured crap you don't need. Use public transportation. There are lots of things in the world that have an impact on the environment. Disposal of computer waste is one of those. Sure, we should be concerned about this but I don't think musicians need to start feeling bad if they buy a computer. Computers aren't going to go away any more than automobiles will, and we know what an environmental disaster those are. Manufacturers need to be pressured to build products with less environmental impact. It can almost always be done, it just costs more. =20 We may get some psychological satisfaction by avoiding technology, but if we want to make a measurable difference it's harder. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 18:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7A93BF6A; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uVDXSAvtDmhcDWdrQg3mEjB/qfo3B7Bshxo/kwenqqrSubGjqwHXzL1UrTDXdqH1P3y1FZoUSkpn2NpVVBw9Ya7dLnybW2JphFlmt9G2JMf8duRyhKss1+p53U9e+dKAj6qe03rTUac2ypxDghWJNkmp2o0xjWap+aeMyB5J/Ls= ; Message-ID: <20060526182946.71312.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <90C6CA2A-1CC1-4315-AA06-97EE338ECA68@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) What I've done to address this is break my music time down into two distinct areas. Playing and tweaking. For a long time I thought tweaking was standing in they way of my playing but eventually I realized that I get pleasure out of the tweaking and assembling of complex digital audio systems. Plain and simple. Some of my most rewarding times have been getting out the old mental can opener and digging into some new synth and previewing it's presets and later tweaking them to be my own, or reconfiguring some gear to work in a way I hadn't previously considered. Of course, it's easy to become overcome with such madness, so I make sure I allocate weekends for pure playing with a system that I've got working and I'm comfortable with. I use the analogy of a model train collector. Part of its collection, part of it's assembly and part of it's watching the choo choo go round and round. Look at the tiny cows! OH NO! ONE'S ON THE TRACK! WON'T SOMEONE SAVE MILKY!? Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > > On 5/26/06, Claude Voit wrote: > >> During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , > hardware > >> musicians where > >> playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life > using gear they > >> really know. > > > Amusing remark! :-) That may be an accurate > observation, but I think > the remark tells more about different ambitions > among users than > general differences between hardware vs software > based instruments. > The traditional way to go for anyone who wants to > improve as a > musician/composer is to get the best tools available > and stick with > them to progress. If the choice goes to software > this user may be > tempted to "upgrade" or "try more plug-ins" or > whatever possibilities > there are to distract him. But this type of user > will probably stick > to the original rig set-up that he considers "his > instrument", just > because that's the only attitude that leads to the > progress he has > envisioned. On the other hand, some musicians may > find a much more > rewarding feeling in simply trying out a lot of > gear, without > necessarily learning much in terms of musicianship > or composing from > the process. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 18:46:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22D83BF67; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:46:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Thread-Index: AcaAi4+LJXreIZCcRgOW7awUFB/oKgANMy1gAAlhYYAAA0AKcA== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 18:46:18.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACCE3AD0:01C680F4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:46:19 +0000 (UTC) As Jeff advises, look no further if you wish to stick to looping. I thought this might become at least a bit of a bombshell. I wrestle with it from time to time, but as Jeff notes, it is only part of a much larger picture. Having said that, I think the choices we make DO matter. OK, we're musicians and have gear we use. Other people have their own version of, shall we say, "specialized technological consumption." Let the architects and engineers talk among themselves about their reliance on CAD, #d modeling software, and frequent hardware and software upgrades. But, IMHO, we as musicians have a responsibility equal to that of the rest of society to reexamine how we do what we do. People with lawns constitute a much broader swath of the population; I'm not sue i grasp the analogy, but I WOULD say, yes, do please ditch the 2-cycle lawn mower engines.=20 Having just disagreed with Jeff on one point, I'll say I agree with him on every other, including not feeling bad about buying a computer. Backing away from consumerism is key to our moving toward a sustainable world, but Luddism isn't the answer either. Maybe further discussion on this one ought to move off LD. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: jeff larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]=20 Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > From: Dean, Hal >=20 > This whole sequence prompts me to solicit everyone's thoughts on the=20 > environmental impact of gear acquisition syndrome and the migration to > computers of so much of what "electronic musicians" of any stripe do. If you want to read about looping, HIT DELETE NOW! I think the environmental impact of computers is a reasonable topic of discussion, but I'm not convinced that the choices musicians make are very significant. People that use a computer only for music represent a tiny fraction of the computer market. An analogy might be: I'm concerned about the economy's dependence on oil, should we be using manual lawn mowers? > On the larger scale, the use of computers everywhere for everything is > so widely touted as a boon to productivity, and so often cited as an=20 > environmental benefit because pixels replace paper and people can=20 > telecommute, that it seems blasphemous to question this received=20 > wisdom. I think the productivity boon is unquestioned. I have not heard arguments that there is any great environmental benefit, at least not for pixels vs. paper. If anything, increases in productivity allow us to generate waste of all sorts more rapidly. > Try looking up the "cost of the Internet"... it's > interesting how little you can find about it. But all these home and=20 > business boxes consuming power If you're concerned about power consumption, then stop using your toaster, hair dryer, television, and guitar amps. Stop consuming so much disposable manufactured crap you don't need. Use public transportation. There are lots of things in the world that have an impact on the environment. Disposal of computer waste is one of those. Sure, we should be concerned about this but I don't think musicians need to start feeling bad if they buy a computer. Computers aren't going to go away any more than automobiles will, and we know what an environmental disaster those are. Manufacturers need to be pressured to build products with less environmental impact. It can almost always be done, it just costs more. =20 We may get some psychological satisfaction by avoiding technology, but if we want to make a measurable difference it's harder. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 19:22:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9DC63BF75; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1148671332!393659!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9282@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hooves on the rails (was: Computers and Global responsibility ) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:22:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C680F9.AEBAD650" Resent-Message-ID: <535PqD.A.XUC.nV1dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:22:15 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C680F9.AEBAD650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>OH NO! ONE'S ON THE TRACK! WON'T SOMEONE SAVE MILKY!?<< did any one else grimace with guilty recognition? let me explain.... I am completely at one with mark when he describes the satisfaction to be had from reconfiguring his studio equipment or relearning the chops required by some old bit of kit that's been lying idle for a few years because of newer shinier toys. I do this all the time- I even have a dv camera w/ wide-angle lens up in the corner of the room so's I can do time-&-motion studies when there are two or three of us at work..... can we all reach everything we want to? is the feng shui of the studio right & productive? are we making eye-contact often enough? & sometimes, I'll dig out an old manual or even a magazine review for something I have, & find new inspiration therein. BUT come the day, while we're actually *doing something* with/in the studio, somehow there's this guilty pleasure, almost like we're having too much fun & "this isn't real work". I know it *ought* to be payback time, for all the hours invested in getting the new merge box to pass sys-ex, or wrangling a digital synth so it sounds reasonable, or mapping a bunch of samples, losing the lot when the hard drive freezes up & starting again.... & hours later, when it's *playback time* (see what I did there?), the balance between our work & it's product seems a bit more even. in exactly the same way, our double-O gauge enthusiast spends hours in the shed at the end of his garden, painstakingly painting the exact correct livery detailing onto the 2nd class carriage he's just bought to drag along behind his "flying scotsman" or "mallard" or whatever.... he'll then go to his rig (probably ducking under the roof-beams in his attic like the rest of us) & re-enact some bovine near-misses per mark's imagined scenario.... & he'll feel like a big kid *even though he worked damn hard to get there*. too right he's going to make "whoo-whoo" noises, if the loco doesn't already do it for him. anyone would. I would have an animal-air-ambulance helicopter with a cow-sling underneath, & really make the most of it. probably smear bovril on the front of the engine too. ahem. which is my point exactly. back onto computers- I have yet to experience a platform or O/S (I have the very latest macbook pro with parallels workstation on it, so I can run os-x/intel & w2k at the same time on the same box!) that offers the same return-on-investment as, say, a sampler or a big old analogue synth. I also have over two dozen basses, & it's not uncommon for me to change the strings & do a full set-up on one of them, taking several hours over this, only to play the thing for about twenty minutes & put it away again. but that's probably just because I have too many basses. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C680F9.AEBAD650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: hooves on the rails (was: Computers and Global responsibility)</= TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>OH NO! ONE'S ON THE TRACK! WON'T SOMEONE SAVE MIL= KY!?<<</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>did any one else grimace with guilty recognition? let me = explain.... I am completely at one with mark when he describes the satisfac= tion to be had from reconfiguring his studio equipment or relearning the ch= ops required by some old bit of kit that's been lying idle for a few years = because of newer shinier toys. </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I do this all the time- I even have a dv camera w/ wide-a= ngle lens up in the corner of the room so's I can do time-&-motion stud= ies when there are two or three of us at work..... can we all reach everyth= ing we want to? is the feng shui of the studio right & productive? are = we making eye-contact often enough?</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>& sometimes, I'll dig out an old manual or even a mag= azine review for something I have, & find new inspiration therein.</FON= T> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>BUT come the day, while we're actually *doing something* = with/in the studio, somehow there's this guilty pleasure, almost like we're= having too much fun & "this isn't real work". I know it *oug= ht* to be payback time, for all the hours invested in getting the new merge= box to pass sys-ex, or wrangling a digital synth so it sounds reasonable, = or mapping a bunch of samples, losing the lot when the hard drive freezes u= p & starting again....</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>& hours later, when it's *playback time* (see what I = did there?), the balance between our work & it's product seems a bit mo= re even.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>in exactly the same way, our double-O gauge enthusiast sp= ends hours in the shed at the end of his garden, painstakingly painting the= exact correct livery detailing onto the 2nd class carriage he's just bough= t to drag along behind his "flying scotsman" or "mallard&quo= t; or whatever.... he'll then go to his rig (probably ducking under the roo= f-beams in his attic like the rest of us) & re-enact some bovine near-m= isses per mark's imagined scenario.... & he'll feel like a big kid *eve= n though he worked damn hard to get there*. </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>too right he's going to make "whoo-whoo" noises= , if the loco doesn't already do it for him. anyone would. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would have an animal-air-ambulance helicopter with a c= ow-sling underneath, & really make the most of it. probably smear bovri= l on the front of the engine too.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ahem.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>which is my point exactly.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>back onto computers- I have yet to experience a platform = or O/S (I have the very latest macbook pro with parallels workstation on it= , so I can run os-x/intel & w2k at the same time on the same box!) that= offers the same return-on-investment as, say, a sampler or a big old analo= gue synth.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I also have over two dozen basses, & it's not uncommo= n for me to change the strings & do a full set-up on one of them, takin= g several hours over this, only to play the thing for about twenty minutes = & put it away again. but that's probably just because I have too many b= asses.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT> </P> <CODE><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> <BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<BR> <BR> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user<BR> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also<BR> be privileged. 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X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J6fad.0b16S.2f11M" Message-Id: <20060526.125844.2183.12139@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3593184257 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5O0h6vNVvKAoi8suLufKAATRrxG5cZF4Pg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.152|webmail12.nyc.untd.com|webmail12.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: <LSD5MB.A.g9D.J51dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:00:09 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J6fad.0b16S.2f11M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain I don't know about length as I am a 10 1/2 but I have an E width which m= akes the EDP footpedal a challenge, but a challenge I gladdly accept! = = weg ----__JWM__J6fad.0b16S.2f11M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html <html><P>I don't know about length as I am a 10 1/2 but I have an E widt= h which makes the EDP footpedal a challenge, but a challenge I gladdly a= ccept!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>weg</P></html> ----__JWM__J6fad.0b16S.2f11M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 21:03:58 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E851A3BF78; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ec01c68107$e711b790$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <23721817@web.de> Subject: Re: more cut-up radio Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:03:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=313962, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <ri8aOC.A.-0F.-02dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:03:58 +0000 (UTC) very interesting, Michael. Thanks for sharing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: more cut-up radio >I did two very enjoyable cut-up radio sets in Amsterdam recently. Gear >used: a radio as the only sound source; an EDP for the cutting up of the >input; and a small reverb unit. Everything was improvised as the input from >the radio is essentially unpredictable. > > Read Harold Schellinx's blog about the event here: > http://www.harsmedia.com/SoundBlog/ > > Listen to one of the two sets here: > http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm (the Amsterdam entry > on the bottom of the page) > > Comments welcome, as always :-) > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 21:41:24 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608B93BF7B; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <waveform@free.fr> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060526184620.638FF3BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060526184620.638FF3BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <6625142f6b4e3104606bed2c7777e3d8@free.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: daviD <waveform@free.fr> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p_:_EDP_output_farts_=28knob_cleaning=29_?= Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:41:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <AVwHND.A.G8G.DY3dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:41:24 +0000 (UTC) > De: "muman" <muman@eskimo.com> > Date: 26 mai 2006 18:24:47 GMT+02:00 > =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet: R=E9p : EDP output farts (knob cleaning) > > This was actually part of the message: I use Caig Laboratories Deoxit=20= > D5 (D5S-6). While not > cheap, no residue. I'm not subscribed to the Analogue Heaven mailing list, but while I was=20= there it definitely was a recurring subject (analog synths have lots of=20= old pots and sliders). The bottom line was : the only way to *really* clean a pot is to=20 disassemble it and to clean everything, and then to reassemble the=20 potentiometer. Everything else only adds physical matter to the equation, and is thus=20= only a temporary solution. Even if it seems to be a good solution in=20 the short term, in the mid-long term it is not... </daviD> "Simulating the true styles and making carefully ! Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 22:08:01 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6AD3BF7D; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <perboysen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GTVUnrIXVEMmRa+LERANeC/6Hz1EC8OFA5Bz6jYeKnbixgUwSAUb1rNcCv5yUuP5ljDCJJhdGtBWnVnfoa6DvdoB+5EgWF53wgEVRF7D6h54eT4wzWGiZcv/Rvu3+btmgMnEXthbXVf7dHhGqkDnoLgal0dfSZlX75CwQBU66A8= In-Reply-To: <060d01c68025$9a4de7e0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <05e501c68025$3cb7edb0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <060d01c68025$9a4de7e0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0488A711-D51D-4027-9172-9937E82229C7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> Subject: Re: The Virtual Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:07:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <hIFoAC.A._R.Bx3dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:08:01 +0000 (UTC) On 25 maj 2006, at 20.04, Krispen Hartung wrote: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental I'm very interested and I'd like to tune in but all day that URL have just been giving me: > The connection has timed out > The server at www.boisemusicians.com is taking too long to respond. > * The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try > again in a few > moments. > * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's > network > connection. > * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or > proxy, make sure > that Firefox is permitted to access the Web. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 26 22:37:45 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A437B3BF7C; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020001c68115$01172c30$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <05e501c68025$3cb7edb0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <060d01c68025$9a4de7e0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0488A711-D51D-4027-9172-9937E82229C7@gmail.com> Subject: Re: The Virtual Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:37:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=314038, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <VkrIOD.A.cDB.5M4dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Try this: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/index.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Re: The Virtual Boise Experimental Music Festival > On 25 maj 2006, at 20.04, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental > > > I'm very interested and I'd like to tune in but all day that URL have > just been giving me: > >> The connection has timed out >> The server at www.boisemusicians.com is taking too long to respond. >> * The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try >> again in a few >> moments. >> * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's >> network >> connection. >> * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or >> proxy, make sure >> that Firefox is permitted to access the Web. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 03:02:09 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14723BF7D; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <RAULBONELL@telefonica.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000001c68139$ec7c83e0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" <RAULBONELL@telefonica.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <23721817@web.de> Subject: Re: more cut-up radio Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 04:53:30 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <J3jzlD.A.7KB.xE8dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 03:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Nice chop about minute 17... I was laughing... "pussy" "pussy" ... Hope it was not my imagination... I'll re-listen. Thanks Michael ... I'm waiting for more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: more cut-up radio >I did two very enjoyable cut-up radio sets in Amsterdam recently. Gear >used: a radio as the only sound source; an EDP for the cutting up of the >input; and a small reverb unit. Everything was improvised as the input from >the radio is essentially unpredictable. > > Read Harold Schellinx's blog about the event here: > http://www.harsmedia.com/SoundBlog/ > > Listen to one of the two sets here: > http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm (the Amsterdam entry > on the bottom of the page) > > Comments welcome, as always :-) > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 05:25:14 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B853BF80; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GxFMRZtd7sYEBm/VW5f+V5HPCIl18pXcOOwGI3W8uXOYnGwOFkdPNRsF3Rk4qOLl1KPTOApkWT0oAoOhcSwVbRYgso9oZmJKV2e5XcdPYvYoky4cA0+hclnZKAJzsNKO4Dqz6jVFRsx+tbxACLpRoo2OGcRZbvbPQUBIZnjqdjM= ; Message-ID: <20060527052513.39833.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> Subject: looping with a laptop update? (offlist) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011c01c67b48$fb61cbf0$54b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Za_lD.A.j6E.6K-dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 05:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Hey man I've been reading your every post and I must say I feel your pain. Man have I spent some time wrestling with computers/gear. I know how it can be. There in lies madness... Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure out your distortion/clicking issue even if it means a total reinstall. Sounds like a lot of work but think of the work/time you've already spent looking for the issue. I'm still mulling getting a Thinkpad myself. Mr. Looperlative is not giving me any love (still not) and as attractive as the Macbooks are, the fact that it seems like it could be a long time before a lot of apps are written for it natively, is scary. I'd hate to get a machine that's for AIM and web surfing until stuff gets converted! I just wanted to ask how you felt before the clicking issue. Were you loving the laptop looping rig as many do? Per can't say enough good stuff about it. I admit I had a hard time getting it working, but perhaps it's just a matter of getting a good host to run it as a vst and sending sync to my drums, not getting sync from another machine as I was trying to do. In the end it makes little difference, I just want it to WORK. I'm sure you just want your stuff to work right now too. Good luck my friend. I'm watching your battle and learning... Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 05:27:55 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81C03BF8A; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A8btyPD+abArA3FWWHwMCYGtpM/NNL7ECYMkHL/ym3pvElvDX/63aT13WhaY7GxVfMnQOAuiHaQhMkVJL83D9Zv3YICFqGvYGFp3Vj4Cq+YdSsv+kO8yUOI5RVfqO+B3P/PEx1ETGArQOTanu0Pm/kALy0y17hX9wZWJORmf9bk= ; Message-ID: <20060527052754.98881.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:27:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: looping with a laptop update? (onlist) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060527052513.39833.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <f0OIEC.A.MFF.bN-dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 05:27:55 +0000 (UTC) I'm a dork! Hey, at least I'm OT. --- mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey man > > I've been reading your every post and I must say I > feel your pain. Man have I spent some time > wrestling > with computers/gear. I know how it can be. There > in > lies madness... > > Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure out your > distortion/clicking issue even if it means a total > reinstall. Sounds like a lot of work but think of > the > work/time you've already spent looking for the > issue. > > I'm still mulling getting a Thinkpad myself. Mr. > Looperlative is not giving me any love (still not) > and > as attractive as the Macbooks are, the fact that it > seems like it could be a long time before a lot of > apps are written for it natively, is scary. I'd > hate > to get a machine that's for AIM and web surfing > until > stuff gets converted! > > I just wanted to ask how you felt before the > clicking > issue. Were you loving the laptop looping rig as > many > do? Per can't say enough good stuff about it. I > admit I had a hard time getting it working, but > perhaps it's just a matter of getting a good host to > run it as a vst and sending sync to my drums, not > getting sync from another machine as I was trying to > do. In the end it makes little difference, I just > want it to WORK. > > I'm sure you just want your stuff to work right now > too. Good luck my friend. I'm watching your battle > and learning... > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 07:21:33 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B3993BF81; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <listmail@asyouthink.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated-Name: TuleRiver X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com From: "CM" <listmail@asyouthink.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: looping with a laptop update? (onlist) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:20:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060527052754.98881.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcaBTk+gDryOvDgxRbSLTFVy/+1UuwAD1cfA Message-Id: <20060527073810.15E3BABF00@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: <IePe6D.A.RlD.93_dEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Is that O in OT = "on" or "off"?.... <g> This lurker's learning too.... so you guys keep talking.... OL or OL or OT or OT... it's good readin'... -c- -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping with a laptop update? (onlist) I'm a dork! Hey, at least I'm OT. --- mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey man > > I've been reading your every post and I must say I feel your pain. > Man have I spent some time wrestling with computers/gear. I know how > it can be. There in lies madness... > > Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure out your distortion/clicking issue even > if it means a total reinstall. Sounds like a lot of work but think of > the work/time you've already spent looking for the issue. > > I'm still mulling getting a Thinkpad myself. Mr. > Looperlative is not giving me any love (still not) and as attractive > as the Macbooks are, the fact that it seems like it could be a long > time before a lot of apps are written for it natively, is scary. I'd > hate to get a machine that's for AIM and web surfing until stuff gets > converted! > > I just wanted to ask how you felt before the clicking issue. Were you > loving the laptop looping rig as many do? Per can't say enough good > stuff about it. I admit I had a hard time getting it working, but > perhaps it's just a matter of getting a good host to run it as a vst > and sending sync to my drums, not getting sync from another machine as > I was trying to do. In the end it makes little difference, I just > want it to WORK. > > I'm sure you just want your stuff to work right now too. Good luck my > friend. I'm watching your battle and learning... > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 08:29:06 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DDF43BF8B; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <billyfox@soundscapes.us> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 04:25:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> Subject: The AM/FM Show starts in less than 2 hours To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44780CFF.5040000@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <EFMYQ.A.VNG.R3AeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:29:06 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 27 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 10:35:18 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0844E3BF87; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.31.232] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: <garethwhittock$81.79.31.232$.005601c68179$0c57bba0$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth whittock" <gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <B75BE7673F3DAD4C9116995CFB8339C0111C76F6@wcu-ex-emp1.wcupa.net> <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <9F9DD795-8EB8-4A75-B1F4-3D10F226E6F4@zonemobius.com> <00a101c680ce$fffa9b70$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4821.128.193.37.212.1148662438.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:33:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-Hn39.A.S8.ltCeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jris, Don't know if you're still with us but have you tried "asio 4 all" drivers - they will run with any sound card.I interchange between 3 different soundcards and have no trouble. I can see both sides of the hardware/software discussion though. I use a mixture of hardware and sortware - a pedal that gives me my tone and some fx and a laptop that runs me loops plus infinite reverb/enhancing etc. If the computer crashes then i can get away with a basic loop set up just from my pedal, (as happened when I went to Japan with a virus in my computer). Of course, if the hardware conks out............................. g ----- Original Message ----- From: <johnsrude@peak.org> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > Kris wrote: >> This is >> the most frustrating thing about software and computer systems. >> Applications >> will often work great by themselves, but they don't always play nice with >> others, which is why my complex system crumbled when I decided to try a >> different sound card. > > If I had to guess, I would say that your main problem is with the software > driver for the soundcard. Computer hardware manufacturers usually write > crummy software. Why? Because they don't think it's valuable so they > under-budget for it. I think that computer hardware manufacturers of > sound > cards and such should open source the drivers for their software. That > way > the computer community can fix muckups. I don't think they should open > source > all the software, mind. There's a lot of software on those chips and it's > valuable intellectual property. Just the drivers. My two cents. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 11:38:45 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E63A3BF90; Sat, 27 May 2006 11:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44783A3E.5000302@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:38:38 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more cut-up radio References: <23721817@web.de> In-Reply-To: <23721817@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <WwxVz.A.j9E.EpDeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > I did two very enjoyable cut-up radio sets in Amsterdam recently. Gear used: a radio as the only sound source; an EDP for the cutting up of the input; and a small reverb unit. Everything was improvised as the input from the radio is essentially unpredictable. > > Read Harold Schellinx's blog about the event here: http://www.harsmedia.com/SoundBlog/ > > Listen to one of the two sets here: http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/cutupradio/index.htm (the Amsterdam entry on the bottom of the page) > > Comments welcome, as always :-) > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de This is some of the best live looping I've ever heard... It meets my needs for both virtuosity and re-contextualization - not an easy task! Actually, ever since I heard of your rig I've been looking for a really good radio to use for my Reaktor looper. Apparently the old ones with analogue tuners are getting scarse in Denmark. Thank you so much for sharing. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 15:59:12 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E3123BF8A; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <rs@moinlabs.de> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:58:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c681a6$77bee030$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaBpmENt9LquvWBQ7it0OsNuGietQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <t2ksFB.A.vi.QdHeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Some people here might remember a marketing campaign by both Krispen Hartung and me, regarding a series of virtual concerts done using Ninjam under the kybermusik moniker, and some might even have listenend to the web stream... I'm happy to announce that the first recording from this series is now online and available for download from the www.moinlabs.de website (go to "Moinlabs"->"MoinSound"->"MoinSound Archives"->"other stuff"). This is a somewhat "condensed" edit of the performance Krispen and me did on 4-23, with both of sitting in the privacy of our respective homes. For those familiar with Krispen's other work: this here is your chance to listen to Krispen doing some 80ies hair band style fretwork to an abstract two-step beat...:=) The file is a 30MB mp3 download (35min. in length). Thanks for listening, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 16:21:29 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A49A3BF9A; Sat, 27 May 2006 16:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:21:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 573, in=309063, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <NvjvLB.A.JHB.IyHeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to troubleshoot. I think I discovered the source of the issue, now I need some advice....good luck. First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted the drive and reinstalled the OS. You know what? Yes, the crackling and popping came back! Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by process of elimination that the problem is either with the IO sound card or the notebook hardware. Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new registry, etc, and I completely reinstalled everything. It gets better....or worse, depending on how you view it. As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new computer to my old computer, which also works perfectly....and I saw the same message that I got when I was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned through my VST effects foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST effects, like Metaphysical and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST host, a window says cannot change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to 48000. Once the VST effects loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the blasted snapping and crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!! I am blown away. Now I have two computers that are useless for performing, and reinstalling the OS won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor and re-installing, or any of my programs. What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor doing to my system? If that is the cause. After the windows pop up with the samplerate message, I notice that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even appear as an option any more. Amazing... Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 16:37:33 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ACCE3BF97; Sat, 27 May 2006 16:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <perboysen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xc9qD0+w3xyhtstPpviDKJ1rHQm69yI8HRm4SN4q0E/f4PFmII86xshuyvyp/VkdTRVC7FTj80XvKYZh0+fiCtfwYgR3ADSsItUP+V2n7hHhAj1DeGBTOlmN9u6IJ2CiTym6MQmUcVPPWpnaWEjrsWWS8PfG1UNVB3lPSJ6WmEo= In-Reply-To: <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <920CACBC-76F5-4F0A-83F5-A0D639940A32@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 18:37:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <34syCD.A.XkB.MBIeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:37:32 +0000 (UTC) On 27 maj 2006, at 18.21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor doing to my system? > If that is the cause. After the windows pop up with the samplerate > message, I notice that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't > even appear as an option any more. Amazing... I don't know about Chainer but one guess could be that the Reaktor stuff uses audio files of 48k sampling rate and this forces Chainer to go match it. I've seen that happen in other applications. Another guess is that the buffer is set too small in Chainer. I've found that 512 is a good buffer for clean audio and system stability with most software, except Ableton Live that seems to run as good with a 256 buffer setting, or smaller. The only situation when I may go down to 128 or 64 is when I work in Logic and need to play softsynths by hand, unquantized from a MIDI keyboards. Then I get Pops n Crackles, although latency is minimal (as soon as MIDI parts are recorded I set it back to 512). A third guess is that you have left some digital port enabled by mistake. Chainer may then look for a digital clock to sync audio but doesn't find any, since you have no extra digital gear connected to the port. This scenario typically gives that type of noise. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 17:29:18 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 504E43BF9C; Sat, 27 May 2006 17:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <billyfox@soundscapes.us> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:26:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 27, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44788BE1.4010901@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <LTbBND.A.oAD.uxIeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:29:18 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060527.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #88 May 27, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Klaus Schulze Dungeon Irrlicht (Revisited) VA [Mikronesia] Arms Bent electro-music 2006 Sampler (electro-music media) VA [Radio Massacre The Emissaries Suite Edition #8 Sampler (Groove) International VA [Pyramid Peak] Flowing with Birds Edition #8 Sampler (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Jim Brickman If You Believe Pure Jim Brickman (Windham Hill) Jim Brickman Journey Pure Jim Brickman (Windham Hill) Tuck & Patti Castles Made of Sand/ Pure Tuck & Patti (Windham Hill) Little Wing Tuck & Patti Getaway Pure Tuck & Patti (Windham Hill) Will Ackerman Driving Will Ackerman (Windham Hill) Emerald City Sligo Maid/Lady in Black Emerald City (Fox's Den) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Salem Hill Stolen by Ghosts Mimi's Magic Moment (Progrock) Tunnels Devil's Staircase Natural Selection (Buckyball) Ricochet Cincinatti Road Zarah - A Tear Town Story (Progrock) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on June 17. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 19:04:50 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055CD3BFA3; Sat, 27 May 2006 19:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <jeff@zonemobius.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <B8BC748C-C455-4698-8908-4F14B020A443@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:04:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <GC1nG.A.eMG.RLKeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:04:49 +0000 (UTC) > a window says cannot change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to 48000 There should be a configuration window for your sound card, sometimes these are in the task bar, sometimes under Control Panel, sometimes in their own start menu folder. In there, check to see if there is a selector box of some kind for the sample rate. It may be that Reaktor is forcing it to 48000 and this then "sticks" when you try to use the card in another host. Set it back to 41000 and keep the Reaktor plugins off the VST path. Not all plugins will support rates other than 41000, so if Reaktor requires this you won't be able to run Reaktor plugins and some of the others at the same time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 21:15:28 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C69713BFA3; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c681d2$acca6b60$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <920CACBC-76F5-4F0A-83F5-A0D639940A32@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:15:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=322106, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <N1wsb.A.8tE.wFMeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:15:28 +0000 (UTC) > I don't know about Chainer but one guess could be that the Reaktor stuff > uses audio files of 48k sampling rate and this forces Chainer to go match > it. I've seen that happen in other applications. That's it. Or Sound Blaster Audigy 2, which runs only in 48k forced it. I noticed that in the Audigy 2 control panels, there is no option to reduce down to 44.1k. > Another guess is that the buffer is set too small in Chainer. I've tried all buffer settings, from 256 to over 2000. No effect. > A third guess is that you have left some digital port enabled by mistake. > Chainer may then look for a digital clock to sync audio but doesn't find > any, since you have no extra digital gear connected to the port. This > scenario typically gives that type of noise. I don't follow. What sort of digital port? Thanks, Kris > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 21:19:14 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C640E3BFA9; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c681d3$33c292f0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <65F12968-F39A-483B-AD8D-290995DAE3CC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:19:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=322107, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <F8fdBC.A.I5E.SJMeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe there is another layer or pane that you could add to give back > options?> I'm thinking of something like Soundflower (cycling74) or Jack > ( I think that is mac only?) that would allow some routing and other > configuration choices. > > I'm surprised that there is no overall System audio pane in Windows that > would let you set/reset the soundcard and disable/restore any software > preference commands that want to usurp function. You would think. Seriously, I've searched for any and all control panels to change settings. I've tried the control panel of the audio programs themselves, of the sound card driver, even in the hardware setting in Control Panel and System under Sounds. I'm starting to wonder of the change was made in the bios...but who the heck what do that? I mean if reinstalling the OS doeesn't solve the problem, then it's either in the BIOS, the hardware is defective, or my audio software is defective...yet I installed my audio programs from scratch after the OS reinstall. This is the most bizarre problem. There must be a ghost in the machine. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 21:45:46 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B7D3BFA2; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <jeff@zonemobius.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003b01c681d3$33c292f0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <65F12968-F39A-483B-AD8D-290995DAE3CC@gmail.com> <003b01c681d3$33c292f0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <D2B5BB04-722F-45C0-8824-E0B0F9219031@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:45:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <h81y-B.A.9kF.KiMeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:45:46 +0000 (UTC) On May 27, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I mean if reinstalling the OS doeesn't solve > the problem, then it's either in the BIOS, the hardware is defective, > or my audio software is defective...yet I installed my audio programs > from scratch after the OS reinstall. I doubt it's the BIOS. You mentioned that you were using the Audigy again, didn't you have success with the Echo the first time? If after the second OS reinstall you installed the Audigy intead of the Echo, then this suggests it is causing the problem, especially since that seems to be what triggered it all the last time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 22:18:56 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5AB3BFA6; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <jeff@zonemobius.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <D2B5BB04-722F-45C0-8824-E0B0F9219031@zonemobius.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <65F12968-F39A-483B-AD8D-290995DAE3CC@gmail.com> <003b01c681d3$33c292f0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <D2B5BB04-722F-45C0-8824-E0B0F9219031@zonemobius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <D9D5C559-3710-46CE-B1F1-01B1535D78FF@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:18:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <faI9_B.A.bhG.QBNeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 22:18:56 +0000 (UTC) The other variable here seems to be Reaktor which is relatively new in your setup right? If you have the stomach for it, what I would recommend is that you reinstall the OS again, install the Echo device, then install all your software except Reaktor. STOP and test. Then install Reaktor. Test again. This is where something like Norton Ghost comes in very handy because you can always get back to a version of the system that was working without starting all over. It is possible that the combination of Reaktor and the Audigy is the problem. Reaktor may be forcing the Audigy into a mode you can't back out of. You may be able to to use one or the other but not both without some mysterious missing piece of configuration. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 23:14:38 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8D183BFAA; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4478DD5D.9060801@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:14:37 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <XGEIFB.A.99H.e1NeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: >>window says cannot change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to 48000 So chainer basically gives up at this point? Sounds VERY much like a host-problem - changing samplerates in Reaktor should be automatic and smooth. The glitching could occur when it tries to set it to 44.1 but can't and maybe it lands somewhere in the middle, glitching up everything... Have you tried with other hosts? (I forget, there have been a LOT of posts by now..) > The message is from all of the Reaktor VST effects, like Metaphysical and Krypt.... I guess this would be the Standalone metaphysical and krypt, right? THe fault *could* also be there, but I doubt it, really. Do you have the full version of Reaktor? If so you don't really need the standalones. After that I would second what Jeffrey is saying: Load up everything, one plugin at a time, and see what happens without reaktor in the mix. Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 23:23:28 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A4533BFAC; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4478DF6E.4050409@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:23:26 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online References: <000001c681a6$77bee030$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c681a6$77bee030$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ZYGmC.A.lT.w9NeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer. I would say I'm pretty good at navigating websites, but I can't find the archives. If I click the banner, then Moinlabs at the bottom I get a list of links. No MoinSound there, but another Moinlabs. I click that and get a link to Moinsound... that one has no archives connected to it... Please advise, I must be doing something terribly wrong. (Firefox here, if that matters) Would love to listen. Andreas Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Some people here might remember a marketing campaign by both Krispen Hartung > and me, regarding a series of virtual concerts done using Ninjam under the > kybermusik moniker, and some might even have listenend to the web stream... > > I'm happy to announce that the first recording from this series is now > online and available for download from the www.moinlabs.de website (go to > "Moinlabs"->"MoinSound"->"MoinSound Archives"->"other stuff"). > > This is a somewhat "condensed" edit of the performance Krispen and me did on > 4-23, with both of sitting in the privacy of our respective homes. For those > familiar with Krispen's other work: this here is your chance to listen to > Krispen doing some 80ies hair band style fretwork to an abstract two-step > beat...:=) > > The file is a 30MB mp3 download (35min. in length). > > Thanks for listening, > > Rainer > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 23:41:10 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51AF23BFB2; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <skeptikalist@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=icLsXJBjhwG7ONtSY95X4Woz6cSiDVIfD/sxSaOFGTSXvsKXgMT5PLX71J7bTGVZm/P3g0HMfxbyrOc20ecsDyWRjYTEqUgy9Nc8lBirz7kBQfUrP5gkWRuiH2RSxvDPj+xJ+w2V6TbIjPoV+uK1mf1zYvIDdGbKOnsoKEuGT7g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4478DF6E.4050409@post.cybercity.dk> References: <000001c681a6$77bee030$0101a8c0@succubus> <4478DF6E.4050409@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C9F5243-9FFD-47B8-BF11-55AB1D09295F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> Subject: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:41:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <RuTIuB.A.Vv.VOOeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:41:10 +0000 (UTC) On May 27, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > then Moinlabs at the bottom I get a list of links. No MoinSound > there, but another Moinlabs. Hi I just tried it with Firefox click entry banner then the Moinlabs tab and you get a purple directory sidebar. The directory sidebar has no up/down arrows, and if you use a scroll wheel that does not seem to work. I used the down arrow to go to the bottom of the purple sidebar there is archives>other stuff. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 23:47:12 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 363733BFB3; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <rs@moinlabs.de> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:47:05 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c681e7$dca3ab20$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4478DF6E.4050409@post.cybercity.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaB5I+ysePiBNTbQZ6Hryw3FPe7XQAAsZjw Resent-Message-ID: <5d8yJC.A.G8._TOeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Andreas, ok, this is a little bit tricky ;). I'm trying a step-by-step description, but don't know how it might = appear in firefox (using evil empire explorer here).. access www.moinlabs.de -> you go to a "Moinlabs" banner click "Moinlabs" banner -> you get to the "main menu" click the purple "Moinlabs" button on the bottom -> a menu appears on = the left click "MoinSound" in the menu on the left -> sub-item "MoinSound = Archives" pops up click "MoinSound Archvies" in the menu on the left -> sub-item "other = stuff" pops up and you get a description in the main pane click "other stuff" on the left or "other projects and collaboration" in = the main pane -> you're there. or go via http://www.moinlabs.de/i_msa.htm Sorry for the confusion, Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Mai 2006 01:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online >=20 > Hi Rainer. I would say I'm pretty good at navigating=20 > websites, but I can't find the archives. If I click the=20 > banner, then Moinlabs at the bottom I get a list of links. No=20 > MoinSound there, but another Moinlabs.=20 > I click that and get a link to Moinsound... that one has no=20 > archives connected to it... >=20 > Please advise, I must be doing something terribly wrong.=20 > (Firefox here, if that matters) >=20 > Would love to listen. >=20 > Andreas >=20 > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Some people here might remember a marketing campaign by=20 > both Krispen=20 > > Hartung and me, regarding a series of virtual concerts done using=20 > > Ninjam under the kybermusik moniker, and some might even=20 > have listenend to the web stream... > >=20 > > I'm happy to announce that the first recording from this=20 > series is now=20 > > online and available for download from the www.moinlabs.de=20 > website (go=20 > > to "Moinlabs"->"MoinSound"->"MoinSound Archives"->"other stuff"). > >=20 > > This is a somewhat "condensed" edit of the performance=20 > Krispen and me=20 > > did on 4-23, with both of sitting in the privacy of our respective=20 > > homes. For those familiar with Krispen's other work: this=20 > here is your=20 > > chance to listen to Krispen doing some 80ies hair band=20 > style fretwork=20 > > to an abstract two-step > > beat...:=3D) > >=20 > > The file is a 30MB mp3 download (35min. in length). > >=20 > > Thanks for listening, > >=20 > > Rainer > >=20 > >=20 > > . > >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 23:48:40 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567B63BFA7; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <rs@moinlabs.de> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:48:35 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c681e8$11aca240$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7C9F5243-9FFD-47B8-BF11-55AB1D09295F@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaB5wgatcPjGhZURdqFzsaY3UHwEQAAONXg Resent-Message-ID: <GOOXpD.A.EFB.YVOeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Ok, if you get a chance to listen to the stuff, please give me (or us = here) some feedback. Any technobabble will be supplied upon request ;) Rainer=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: RP Collier [mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Mai 2006 01:41 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online >=20 >=20 > On May 27, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >=20 > > then Moinlabs at the bottom I get a list of links. No MoinSound=20 > > there, but another Moinlabs. >=20 >=20 > Hi > I just tried it with Firefox >=20 > click entry banner then the Moinlabs tab and you get a purple =20 > directory sidebar. > The directory sidebar has no up/down arrows, and if you use a scroll =20 > wheel that does not seem to work. I used the down arrow to go to the =20 > bottom of the purple sidebar there is archives>other stuff. >=20 > regards >=20 > BobC >=20 >=20 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 27 23:49:12 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B353BFA1; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <skeptikalist@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pwad/m+HIOQ4/bGkM4kLjg4vYTxq9vj7FJKHx2PFlTBOwXDdJk+SOVpr0QSm/oK5MO66CkEh5VDx+9xC/aVTPk9LUyBJ5xDinwrZX75LyGLuAiafvifuFVB0R3UXmAe656qN3jiGWF/O254GPXniBl7ANB6Wje/1YVYL4Rqar6c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <7C9F5243-9FFD-47B8-BF11-55AB1D09295F@gmail.com> References: <000001c681a6$77bee030$0101a8c0@succubus> <4478DF6E.4050409@post.cybercity.dk> <7C9F5243-9FFD-47B8-BF11-55AB1D09295F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A50BD9C-9B95-43BF-9750-CF1D853C22BD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> Subject: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:48:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <ZuMv4B.A.fJB.3VOeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:49:11 +0000 (UTC) On May 27, 2006, at 4:41 PM, RP Collier wrote: > I used the down arrow > That should be : I used the down arrow key on my keyboard. I was able to use my scroll wheel using Netscape. cheers BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 00:29:42 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D7BD3BFB5; Sun, 28 May 2006 00:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: frappr: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:29:31 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c681ed$cc8e2de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <nl9vQD.A.4yC.17OeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi I set up http://www.frappr.com/loopers This is a webapp that allows locating yourself on a map, so when traveling you know where to find your fellow loopers! Add yourself! THX Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 02:10:43 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73AC3BFAE; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c681fb$eb450020$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <65F12968-F39A-483B-AD8D-290995DAE3CC@gmail.com> <003b01c681d3$33c292f0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <D2B5BB04-722F-45C0-8824-E0B0F9219031@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:10:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=322174, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <MeysdB.A.uXF.iaQeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Actually, this is how I did it, which baffles me: 1. I installed Echo....system worked great. 2. I uninstalled Echo and installed Audigy...didn't like it, but didn't have the popping eiter 3. I uninstalled Audigy and installed Echo...popping and crackling appeared 4. Tried everything under the sun to resolve the issue...no luck 5. I reinstalled the OS and Echo...problem returned. ...weirdness. This means that installing Audigy and the software for did something to my computer hardward (unlikely) or messed with my audio software, VSTs, etc. I don't get it. I really thought that reinstalling the OS would solve everything. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" <jeff@zonemobius.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > > On May 27, 2006, at 4:19 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I mean if reinstalling the OS doeesn't solve > > the problem, then it's either in the BIOS, the hardware is defective, > > or my audio software is defective...yet I installed my audio programs > > from scratch after the OS reinstall. > > I doubt it's the BIOS. You mentioned that you were using > the Audigy again, didn't you have success with the Echo the > first time? If after the second OS reinstall you installed > the Audigy intead of the Echo, then this suggests it is causing > the problem, especially since that seems to be what triggered it > all the last time. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 02:11:45 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8A43BFBC; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005c01c681fc$10c2ee70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <65F12968-F39A-483B-AD8D-290995DAE3CC@gmail.com> <003b01c681d3$33c292f0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <D2B5BB04-722F-45C0-8824-E0B0F9219031@zonemobius.com> <D9D5C559-3710-46CE-B1F1-01B1535D78FF@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:11:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=322175, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <ALPEJD.A.bhF.gbQeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Man...it's worth a try! I'll install just the bare minimum...just Chainer and maybe one VST that has been generating popping, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" <jeff@zonemobius.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > The other variable here seems to be Reaktor which is > relatively new in your setup right? If you have the stomach > for it, what I would recommend is that you reinstall the OS > again, install the Echo device, then install all your software > except Reaktor. STOP and test. Then install Reaktor. Test again. > This is where something like Norton Ghost comes in very handy because > you can always get back to a version of the system that was working > without starting all over. > > It is possible that the combination of Reaktor and the Audigy is > the problem. Reaktor may be forcing the Audigy into a mode you > can't back out of. You may be able to to use one or the other but > not both without some mysterious missing piece of configuration. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 02:12:40 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548E63BFB1; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c681fc$318ffee0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <000001c681e7$dca3ab20$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:12:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 573, in=309204, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <cuGGQC.A.EoF.YcQeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Or just do directly to the frameset. :) http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Andreas, ok, this is a little bit tricky ;). I'm trying a step-by-step description, but don't know how it might appear in firefox (using evil empire explorer here).. access www.moinlabs.de -> you go to a "Moinlabs" banner click "Moinlabs" banner -> you get to the "main menu" click the purple "Moinlabs" button on the bottom -> a menu appears on the left click "MoinSound" in the menu on the left -> sub-item "MoinSound Archives" pops up click "MoinSound Archvies" in the menu on the left -> sub-item "other stuff" pops up and you get a description in the main pane click "other stuff" on the left or "other projects and collaboration" in the main pane -> you're there. or go via http://www.moinlabs.de/i_msa.htm Sorry for the confusion, Rainer > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Mai 2006 01:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online > > Hi Rainer. I would say I'm pretty good at navigating > websites, but I can't find the archives. If I click the > banner, then Moinlabs at the bottom I get a list of links. No > MoinSound there, but another Moinlabs. > I click that and get a link to Moinsound... that one has no > archives connected to it... > > Please advise, I must be doing something terribly wrong. > (Firefox here, if that matters) > > Would love to listen. > > Andreas > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Some people here might remember a marketing campaign by > both Krispen > > Hartung and me, regarding a series of virtual concerts done using > > Ninjam under the kybermusik moniker, and some might even > have listenend to the web stream... > > > > I'm happy to announce that the first recording from this > series is now > > online and available for download from the www.moinlabs.de > website (go > > to "Moinlabs"->"MoinSound"->"MoinSound Archives"->"other stuff"). > > > > This is a somewhat "condensed" edit of the performance > Krispen and me > > did on 4-23, with both of sitting in the privacy of our respective > > homes. For those familiar with Krispen's other work: this > here is your > > chance to listen to Krispen doing some 80ies hair band > style fretwork > > to an abstract two-step > > beat...:=) > > > > The file is a 30MB mp3 download (35min. in length). > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > Rainer > > > > > > . > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 02:15:35 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C663BFC4; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007401c681fc$99c42c70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4478DD5D.9060801@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:15:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=322176, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <cwrikD.A.1wF.GfQeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:15:35 +0000 (UTC) >>>window says cannot change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to 48000 > > So chainer basically gives up at this point? Sounds VERY much like a > host-problem - changing samplerates in Reaktor should be automatic and > smooth. The somewhere in the middle, glitching up everything... > Have you tried with other hosts? (I forget, there have been a LOT of posts > by now..) It happens on EnergyXT as well >> The message is from all of the Reaktor VST effects, like Metaphysical and >> Krypt.... > I guess this would be the Standalone metaphysical and krypt, right? THe > fault *could* also be there, but I doubt it, really. Do you have the full > version of Reaktor? If so you don't really need the standalones. I am just using the VSTs of Reaktor, but I do have the whole program. I installed the program and just selected the VST option. It happed both ways, with or without the standalone. I only use the VSTs, but had the standalone version for fun. > After that I would second what Jeffrey is saying: Load up everything, one > plugin at a time, and see what happens without reaktor in the mix. Yup. I guess I'll have to do that. At this point, I'll try anything. I'll say a spell or two and vex the damn thing if I have to. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 02:57:19 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA653BFBD; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <looppool@cruzio.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a001c68202$705c4b00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:57:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <u-YhB.A.MnG.PGReEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for organizing this, Bernhard. I signed up and am on the map. If you expand to the largest magnification you can see the rusting 1964 Chevrolet Impala in my driveway right underneath my little blue stick as a little white rectangle. Ryusei and Hideki will be pleased to know this as they spent a long time admiring that wonderful chunk of rusted muscle car when they were here for Y2K5 last fall. My brother Bill, by the way, is in the front house of the duplex (just to the immediate west of that impala). Very hip.................great idea! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 08:15:23 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB423BFC5; Sun, 28 May 2006 08:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <perboysen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HoS92bb1O/PSPrd+COND6kmmZ9YBNNjZCl+N+HTrJ0gBLTv6NfskIKwufg7orf7vYdn2V+sgjrYu6moqubSgrEqkN+InTkp0M0GnEBioXKpbvELtPXcWqAzOeuJR9khGZ/BulogkXRYkUkXFjAhHXk4lwS+68dvuHANBg1isiOw= In-Reply-To: <003201c681d2$acca6b60$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <920CACBC-76F5-4F0A-83F5-A0D639940A32@gmail.com> <003201c681d2$acca6b60$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <BDA79662-737D-432B-8E27-3B6D89030063@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:15:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <m7dDtB.A.tG.bwVeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 08:15:23 +0000 (UTC) >> A third guess is that you have left some digital port enabled by >> mistake. Chainer may then look for a digital clock to sync audio >> but doesn't find any, since you have no extra digital gear >> connected to the port. This scenario typically gives that type of >> noise. > On 27 maj 2006, at 23.15, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I don't follow. What sort of digital port? Adat, TOS, spdif... Any kind of digital port on the sound card. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 09:35:47 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E85B93BFC3; Sun, 28 May 2006 09:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: frappr: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:35:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c6823a$14e565d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <000001c681ed$cc8e2de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <KYZQcB.A.OdC.y7WeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Please also add venues! http://www.frappr.com/loopers -> click "Add place" So we know where to get those gigs, hehe ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz] > Sent: Sonntag, 28. Mai 2006 02:30 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: frappr: map to locate fellow loopers >=20 > Hi >=20 > I set up http://www.frappr.com/loopers >=20 > This is a webapp that allows locating yourself on a map, so when = traveling > you know where to find your fellow loopers! >=20 > Add yourself! >=20 > THX > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 10:15:14 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA7543BFC7; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hvxPzE+NiL9vwHfWups3b8rIW8PRwpriBzBLAMKChC/78ImjrOQC7BoCJrZJ+YnRcycIqHsNn7YaSTar/5s1/5yxSMlk+hLYQi7F/yywbqobZoy+3oE/iWrYbzqboHJgYX2+54sYdyEoTFOSume4bs3OomqejkMIrIYw08lEElE= ; Message-ID: <20060528101513.17609.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:15:13 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas <tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007401c681fc$99c42c70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <Qn4KAC.A.ysD.ygXeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I'll prefix this by saying I know naff all about PC sound cards. But this is sounding like some weird setting on the card itself, rather than the OS, if the problem has managed to survive a complete rebuild of the system. Before rebuilding it again, check out if there is a super low level, absolute ground zero, return-everything-to-exactly-as-it-was-on-the-production-line option anywhere for the card ? It might not even be available through the standard control panels and the like ... Just from dealing with other hardware over the years, sometimes it gets itself into enough of a kink you have to do some really weird stuff to it to get it back to totally factory supplied state ... - Tony ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 10:54:05 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6160D3BFC2; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.68.186.142] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: <garethwhittock$84.68.186.142$.001c01c68244$d65bdf50$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth whittock" <gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060528101513.17609.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:52:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-d4JL.A.yaE.NFYeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Soundblaster cards are well known for their idiosyncratic, nay downright bloody minded behaviour - as well as their odd 48Khz bias. I strongly suspect the card. Did you try asio4all Kris? G ps review of the new zoom pedal coming soon! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Douglas" <tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > Hi there, > > I'll prefix this by saying I know naff all about PC > sound cards. > > But this is sounding like some weird setting on the > card itself, rather than the OS, if the problem has > managed to survive a complete rebuild of the system. > Before rebuilding it again, check out if there is a > super low level, absolute ground zero, > return-everything-to-exactly-as-it-was-on-the-production-line > option anywhere for the card ? It might not even be > available through the standard control panels and the > like ... Just from dealing with other hardware over > the years, sometimes it gets itself into enough of a > kink you have to do some really weird stuff to it to > get it back to totally factory supplied state ... > > - Tony > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars > online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 10:59:16 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48B33BFC8; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <looppool@cruzio.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025b01c68245$c3c9e2a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:59:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <XgQsFB.A.3AF.EKYeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:59:16 +0000 (UTC) I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West Coast, USA time), and there are now 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard Wagner so graciously set up for us...................in one day..................how completely cool. Let's fill the map with our presence. Sign up at http://www.frappr.com/loopers yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 11:04:51 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61C6E3BFD3; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <perboysen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=A9MaE5FhHK0wDF8hg4x79xVmIpLmOMmPkGLVb6a7Ch2PP0gycWP5Xfuaj8GMWud0U4kBXbUCHjLRPkmHjXgx72bLyVd9unPx5582PAHrUdQe1KEpCYzx+XYm0imL9bU3hCUSepsvQ9ArQ0VfCTEOx03ZFnh41Enrw6v3LIvcz/M= In-Reply-To: <025b01c68245$c3c9e2a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <025b01c68245$c3c9e2a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FDC624C-E4DF-4DC4-B2D3-8A7F0336FB2C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:04:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <NmZBP.A.MOF.TPYeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:04:51 +0000 (UTC) On 28 maj 2006, at 12.59, loop.pool wrote: > I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West > Coast, USA time), and there are now > 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard > Wagner > so graciously set up for us...................in one > day..................how completely cool. Yep. cool. I just tried the Frappr Loopes Chat but no one seemed to be logged in. Beta...? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 13:08:37 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 777AD3BFC5; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4479A0D0.7090300@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:08:32 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4478DD5D.9060801@post.cybercity.dk> <007401c681fc$99c42c70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <007401c681fc$99c42c70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <ixyeTC.A._h.VDaeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> window says cannot change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to >>>> 48000 >> >> So chainer basically gives up at this point? Sounds VERY much like a >> host-problem - changing samplerates in Reaktor should be automatic and >> smooth. The somewhere in the middle, glitching up everything... > >> Have you tried with other hosts? (I forget, there have been a LOT of >> posts by now..) > > It happens on EnergyXT as well Dang. Well, for me that can only lead to the next point... >>> The message is from all of the Reaktor VST effects, like Metaphysical >>> and Krypt.... > >> I guess this would be the Standalone metaphysical and krypt, right? >> THe fault *could* also be there, but I doubt it, really. Do you have >> the full version of Reaktor? If so you don't really need the standalones. > > I am just using the VSTs of Reaktor, but I do have the whole program. I > installed the program and just selected the VST option. It happed both > ways, with or without the standalone. I only use the VSTs, but had the > standalone version for fun. You misunderstood me: I am referring to the special XT(?) versions of metaphys and so on. These are what I call standalone ensembles, welded into a separate vst (I know, my fault for explaining what I meant so poorly). Then there's the Reaktor5.dll vst, in which you can load metaphys as well. The ones I suspect are buggy are the former vsts, since I know a great many people running the full reaktor 5 vsti sans problemes. Andy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 13:15:43 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AD093BFCC; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4479A27E.1030106@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:15:42 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems References: <B75BE7673F3DAD4C9116995CFB8339C0111C76F6@wcu-ex-emp1.wcupa.net> <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <exoNdD.A.Mw._JaeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > On 5/26/06, Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote: >> During all these month long "puter setup blogs" , hardware musicians >> where >> playing, composing, practicing, enjoying life using gear they really >> know. > > Different strokes--hardware has issues too. Yeah - apart from Krispens latest follies it seems all we do around here is trouble-shoot hardware!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 15:13:56 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CFCA3BFD7; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <perboysen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MR49/00IkGfVZMveNXqWVPqvnpkB5zKHz6r5ztNw9QerB7SXmub0O+Dv1twBKvAgiOx9UQnFbX8h4jfHS/Q4p7SzjcLV5t5mPTtVoJl1qFma3EqN37S2pf49gsAecVMZlTg0Zz9FJtcFESXI24Jfpqpc5IMVkvKzmjylpRa6yy8= In-Reply-To: <000001c681ed$cc8e2de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <000001c681ed$cc8e2de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F732F5C-D2E9-403D-BDFB-3A1B42681E60@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> Subject: Re: frappr: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:13:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <GTYaN.A.j_D.04beEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:13:56 +0000 (UTC) On 28 maj 2006, at 02.29, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > I set up http://www.frappr.com/loopers I just discovered that you can chat with yourself if you open two web tags of "MyFrappr". A kind of "looping"? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 15:41:50 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E19D23BFD1; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d401c6826d$3b8cb0c0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060528101513.17609.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <garethwhittock$84.68.186.142$.001c01c68244$d65bdf50$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:41:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=309294, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <e1F4uC.A.BzE.-SceEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:41:50 +0000 (UTC) The crazy thing about ASIO4all, which I like, is that on my new computer it forces the output to my external speakers. It has something to do with the integrated sound card in these new ThinkPads...there really isn't a traditional driver for the sound card, as it is integrated. It doesn't even show up as a sound card in applications like Chainer or EnergyXT. Weird. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "gareth whittock" <gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:52 AM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > Soundblaster cards are well known for their idiosyncratic, nay downright > bloody minded behaviour - as well as their odd 48Khz bias. > I strongly suspect the card. > > Did you try asio4all Kris? > > G > > ps review of the new zoom pedal coming soon! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Douglas" <tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > > >> Hi there, >> >> I'll prefix this by saying I know naff all about PC >> sound cards. >> >> But this is sounding like some weird setting on the >> card itself, rather than the OS, if the problem has >> managed to survive a complete rebuild of the system. >> Before rebuilding it again, check out if there is a >> super low level, absolute ground zero, >> return-everything-to-exactly-as-it-was-on-the-production-line >> option anywhere for the card ? It might not even be >> available through the standard control panels and the >> like ... Just from dealing with other hardware over >> the years, sometimes it gets itself into enough of a >> kink you have to do some really weird stuff to it to >> get it back to totally factory supplied state ... >> >> - Tony >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars >> online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 15:59:41 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FBAE3BFD5; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KABtieUSBT4Qxg1Es Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060528165751.00f5fdc8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:59:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: EDP output farts (knob cleaning) In-Reply-To: <20060526141639.A96C33BF5C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060526141639.A96C33BF5C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <b9YiS.A.lqF.sjceEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) At 15:16 26/05/2006, you wrote: >Hi all, >I'm going to delurk for a moment. I have found that Radio Shack Pot >Cleaner will leave a >residue after the solvent evaporates. This residue gets sticky over >time and you get stuck in a >cleaning loop: more cleaner to break down the residue, which in turn >deposits yet more >residue. > >I use Caig Laboratories Deoxit D5 (D5S-6). While not cheap, no residue. >www.caig.com That residue is a lubricant, designed to stop wear. ...so you can'twin either way :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 16:13:04 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 241143BFDE; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAM9meUSBT4Qxg1Es Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060528170824.01ba5238@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:13:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_R=E9p_:_EDP_output_farts_(knob_cleaning)_?= In-Reply-To: <20060527103519.34E6F3BF90@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060527103519.34E6F3BF90@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <Li25O.A.MEG.PwceEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:13:04 +0000 (UTC) At 11:35 27/05/2006, you wrote: >The bottom line was : the only way to *really* clean a pot is to >disassemble it and to clean everything, and then to reassemble the >potentiometer. >Everything else only adds physical matter to the equation, not so, a good spray with a cleaner can carry dust/dirt right out of a pot. >and is thus only a temporary solution. true >Even if it seems to be a good solution in the short term, in the >mid-long term it is not... a friend of mine was convinced that directing his hairdryer into the volume pot of his stereo would fix the crackle. He improvised a duct with brown paper tape and blasted the pot for a good 10 minutes or so. ...and years later, his stereo was crackle free andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 18:17:11 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4380D3BFD7; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <b@the0verclock.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Message-Id: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-881819328 To: Brian Cass <b@the0verclock.com> Subject: can anyone burn an EPROM for me? From: Brian Cass <b@the0verclock.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:17:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <imuQQ.A.JIC.nkeeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:17:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-881819328 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey gang - I have this roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found someone that wrote code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So I need to burn the code onto the 27C128 EPROM . Can anyone cook this thing for me? I am in NYC. how to turn it into a midi controller - http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm Thanks. - b --Apple-Mail-1-881819328 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hey gang -<DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I have this roland pg1000 = fader box, it sends sysex. I have found someone that wrote code to turn = it into a basic midi controller. So I need to burn the code onto<FONT = class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"> the=A027C128 EPROM . Can = anyone cook this thing for me?</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT = class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000">I am in = NYC.=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>how to turn it into a midi = controller -</DIV><DIV><A = href=3D"http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm">http://= timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm</A></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>- b</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML>= --Apple-Mail-1-881819328-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 19:39:46 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59CE23BFDB; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xb2zO1XPrC1GaWbHPpXSPAQH4mBCYEnlFUBzmglmfKEZxrN5Eb4vRRKvtOhKB9vvoXSLjHeWSqTaRfADKnMAZHjV6gANeR0IE7/7USnns84oir2FrfIvBmfE2wtKXt8+F5ikxbbA30A7xiBbG2+QzYptjb1CdAHEiuEcmpahKUA= ; Message-ID: <20060528193945.15152.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Swedish household gear manually looped ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0573E061-1138-4EE6-8965-950064085EEC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1211698410-1148845185=:13099" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5TwtCD.A.tsE.CyfeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:39:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-1211698410-1148845185=:13099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That was freakin awesome, excellent production on all counts!!!!! Loopin rules!!!!!!! Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six +drummers Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1211698410-1148845185=:13099 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That was freakin awesome, excellent production on all counts!!!!!  Loopin rules!!!!!!!<BR><BR><B><I>Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8000409016826512649&q=six <BR>+drummers<BR><BR>Greetings from Sweden<BR><BR>Per Boysen<BR>www.boysen.se (Swedish)<BR>www.looproom.com (international)<BR>http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> __________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1211698410-1148845185=:13099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 21:44:07 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E47BB3BFDD; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ekj6f+Rnks9EHe7v3TTPneYGaiKWtlrNaOcqnwW84TreLa6wDizUL/GwnN6pFUacfA7s/nMR9kx4V9jBKxHjPL5HjjEisdEOZ7UniyWTrvL5jzwoOB+cawHCTDB/LNrKaYpREgCiYNfOmxnJTA+QJn+GNipyMy6CjTdQASGLSZc= ; Message-ID: <20060528214404.64562.qmail@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Virtual Boise Experimental Music Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0488A711-D51D-4027-9172-9937E82229C7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-375183089-1148852644=:62064" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6uAZIB.A.6IB.mmheEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 21:44:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-375183089-1148852644=:62064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe we can start planning for next time even if its an annual event? Thank you, Daniel T. Albertini danielalbertini72@yahoo.com and at my space now! Visualise whirled peas and take big organic carrots!!! Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: On 25 maj 2006, at 20.04, Krispen Hartung wrote: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental I'm very interested and I'd like to tune in but all day that URL have just been giving me: > The connection has timed out > The server at www.boisemusicians.com is taking too long to respond. > * The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try > again in a few > moments. > * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's > network > connection. > * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or > proxy, make sure > that Firefox is permitted to access the Web. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-375183089-1148852644=:62064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe we can start planning for next time even if its an annual event?  Thank you, Daniel T. Albertini <A href="mailto:danielalbertini72@yahoo.com">danielalbertini72@yahoo.com</A> and at my space now!  Visualise whirled peas and take big organic carrots!!!<BR><BR><B><I>Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On 25 maj 2006, at 20.04, Krispen Hartung wrote:<BR><BR>> http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental<BR><BR><BR>I'm very interested and I'd like to tune in but all day that URL have <BR>just been giving me:<BR><BR>> The connection has timed out<BR>> The server at www.boisemusicians.com is taking too long to respond.<BR>> * The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try <BR>> again in a few<BR>> moments.<BR>> * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's <BR>> network<BR>> connection.<BR>> * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or <BR>> proxy, make sure<BR>> that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.<BR><BR>Greetings from Sweden<BR><BR>Per Boysen<BR>www.boysen.se (Swedish)<BR>www.looproom.com (international)<BR>http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> __________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com --0-375183089-1148852644=:62064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 21:47:33 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11F13BFE4; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AiyhZa2c9YqslDW0kGtsNdnxzGt9Eg1IdpM1NTdOWJcPYprgKTSFsxpwwNRN5OctbXKkzvaiv1QBshW8AL6yB8WyD9mceD6CiwgQtjXrz3tLB8MeUPsMcTrP+cjSd7jd61rsoXwuKVMlZ2j7bh1UL1pEiRHvCMnDYz59BnZqkpM= ; Message-ID: <20060528214732.46064.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FW: I want to sell your CD through our stores To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c67deb$162a3810$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-266422465-1148852852=:45427" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <XIxwTD.A.FaB.1pheEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 21:47:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-266422465-1148852852=:45427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds very impressive indeed, in the process of deciding which pieces to include multi genre, world influences from Spanish flamenco to Celtic and African and mixing them all up with Bachish spice! Visualise whirled peas and take big organic carrots!! Thanks keep it real :o) Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz> wrote: Check the forwarded message below "Original Message" Sounds great, doesn't it? Now check this: http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html http://dark-valley-records.com/vendorpro/index.html http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3378 Cheers Bernhard http://nosuch.biz -----Original Message----- From: Mark Adams [mailto:Mark@VendorPro.com] Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28 To: soundz@nosuch.biz Subject: I want to sell your CD through our stores I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and I think your CD "The Fourth Night" is perfect for our stores. We work hand in hand with the largest stores in the country, plus the thousands of small to medium sized specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the opportunity to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes & Noble, Tower Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ... plus the other 10337 music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ... check us out at http://www.VendorPro.com Sincerely, Mark Adams VendorPro.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-266422465-1148852852=:45427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds very impressive indeed, in the process of deciding which pieces to include multi genre, world influences from Spanish flamenco to Celtic and African and mixing them all up with Bachish spice!  Visualise whirled peas and take big organic carrots!!  Thanks keep it real :o)<BR><BR><B><I>Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Check the forwarded message below "Original Message"<BR>Sounds great, doesn't it?<BR><BR>Now check this:<BR>http://blog.milkfactory.com/2005/03/vendorpro_scam.html<BR>http://dark-valley-records.com/vendorpro/index.html<BR>http://forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3378<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>Bernhard<BR>http://nosuch.biz<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Mark Adams [mailto:Mark@VendorPro.com] <BR>Sent: Montag, 22. Mai 2006 23:28<BR>To: soundz@nosuch.biz<BR>Subject: I want to sell your CD through our stores<BR><BR>I've seen your music online at the CDBaby.com website and I think your CD<BR>"The Fourth Night" is perfect for our stores. We work hand in hand with the<BR>largest stores in the country, plus the thousands of small to medium sized<BR>specialty businesses stretched across the U.S.. If you want the opportunity<BR>to sell your music through major retailers like Barnes & Noble, Tower<BR>Records, Virgin Records, Target, QVC, HSN, etc ... plus the other 10337<BR>music stores, 51005 gift stores, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ...<BR>check us out at http://www.VendorPro.com<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR>Mark Adams<BR>VendorPro.com<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> __________________________________________________<br>Do You Yahoo!?<br>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <br>http://mail.yahoo.com --0-266422465-1148852852=:45427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 22:00:02 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E970C3BFDE; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <11A9DDA1-C66E-4102-B6A7-41D444CE8966@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> From: Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: New Steve Lawson album available now... Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:59:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8thk6D.A.5IC.i1heEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:00:02 +0000 (UTC) LD peoples, Finally, the news you've been waiting all spring for... My new album, 'Behind Every Word' is now available for advance ordering. AND if you order it ahead of time, you'll get the exclusive download-only album 'Lessons Learned From The Fairly Aged Felines (Lessons Learned Pt III) for FREE!! How great is that? The release date is June 20th, so any orders received before that will automatically get the download album. AND (as if you needed more) the zip file that the album comes in also contains two MP3s of tracks from the album, so you get to hear more of it ahead of time (and they are different from the tracks that are up on my MySpace page) Both albums are recorded live in the studio using the Looperlative (actually, there's one older tune on Lessons Learned Pt III that's an Echoplex piece, I think...). So, head over to www.stevelawson.net/zencart (yes, it's a new shop page - redesigned, more secure, easier for me etc. etc.) and click on the cover of 'Behind Every Word' - ordering is handled by paypal, and they take credit and debit cards whether you have a paypal account or not. Hope you enjoy it! If you want it signed, please stick that in the 'comments' section of the ordering process... cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 28 23:56:43 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0983BFEA; Sun, 28 May 2006 23:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <skeptikalist@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MDOtgeE2k2YJS58V+oYomhJQEUQl5ZJVvG4jVti+CzGJi94U3oDV2eEpvZrQmiDlquehYFrgUEp/XovAAa4sBEsmLowUG0+YZUe4F8rDzMY+HuO1ZTHzP6yxxSXOr4pnI6xN1LuyjpHXbjybrbl/DuAjJEWIvgoQ5EjPI4xWQaQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <000101c681e8$11aca240$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000101c681e8$11aca240$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05E0D789-2A1C-464B-B60F-902088521A62@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> Subject: Re: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:56:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <0F_19C.A.vPB.7ijeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:56:43 +0000 (UTC) On May 27, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Ok, if you get a chance to listen to the stuff, please give me (or > us here) > some feedback. Hi I did listen on my little Altec computer speakers. Overall, good sonic palette and range of textures and tempos. The segment from around the 5 minute mark to the 12 minute mark really grabbed my attention, nice momentum with some lovely delicate ornamentation. I would suggest perhaps the use of a tad more percussion with quirky motifs to thread thru a session, for instance, when some of the ambientness needs a bit structure to gel - but that is just my taste these days, not a deep observation. Pretty amazing sound quality given that I am listening to an mp3 of a recording of something streamed in semi-realtime over the cyber-aether. Did you both use headphones or studio monitors as you played? Anyway, very impressive initial venture. cheers BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 01:36:02 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F6E03BFE9; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013801c682c0$3d1c14a0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4478DD5D.9060801@post.cybercity.dk> <007401c681fc$99c42c70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4479A0D0.7090300@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Wrap Up: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:35:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=314533, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2ItgyC.A.NqE.BAleEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Well, I think I've come to a partial, yet reasonable solution. First, thanks to all of you for all the suggestions on how to troubleshoot this problem. After two OS re-installs, I was able to reconstruct my system to perform about 95% of how it behaved before. There are still a few VST effects (thankfully not my really good ones that I paid for) that snap and crackle, so I simply removed them from VST host. Why they have that problem will probably remain a mystery. The only lingering, but not as annoying problem is that in my VST host when I activiate an effect (ONLY while I am playing), it makes a subtle little snap....odd. But since I never play live actvate VSTs at the same time, this is not a performance issue. So, I am back in action with the whole computer only system, Mobius, Reaktor, and all. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 01:38:12 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56FB93BFE9; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014601c682c0$8ad9f770$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:38:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 574, in=309428, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <pgiluB.A.QEF.DCleEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:38:12 +0000 (UTC) I'll be in Barcelona, Spain the week of July 10th for work, but I was thinking of bringing my laptop looping system and either my guitar or a mic. Any loopers in Barcelona? It would be great to sit in or record with someone in person. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 03:03:51 2006 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B88B3BFF5; Mon, 29 May 2006 03:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <cazwicky@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <p06230901c0a0118f306d@[24.215.167.230]> In-Reply-To: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> References: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:49:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: can anyone burn an EPROM for me? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1063250651==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <KNg3RC.A.0W.XSmeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/61543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:03:51 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1063250651==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have an e-prom burner, and am also in NYC. Will be out of town till thursday, however... >Hey gang - > >I have this roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found >someone that wrote code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So >I need to burn the code onto the 27C128 EPROM . Can anyone cook this >thing for me? >I am in NYC. > >how to turn it into a midi controller - ><http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm>http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm > >Thanks. > >- b -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1063250651==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>Re: can anyone burn an EPROM for me?
I have an e-prom burner, and am also in NYC. Will be out of town till thursday, however...

Hey gang -

I have this roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found someone that wrote code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So I need to burn the code onto the 27C128 EPROM . Can anyone cook this thing for me?
I am in NYC. 

how to turn it into a midi controller -
http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm

Thanks.

- b


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--============_-1063250651==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 03:12:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D513BFFA; Mon, 29 May 2006 03:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "The Transformation of Scotty Irving", Friday 2 June, Raleigh NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:12:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing this coming Friday in the show described below. I promise lots of looping, at least as part of my set and highly likely for the other two sets. If you're in the area and stop in, say hello please. best, Steve B ---------- Forwarded message ---------- "The Transformation of Scotty Irving", an electroacoustic re-working of the music of Scotty Irving (Clang Quartet). Date: 2 June 2006 (Friday) Time: 8pm Location: Kirk Adam Gallery, Raleigh NC, 107 W. Hargett Street, Raleigh, NC 27601 (above Father and Son Antiques) Cover: None Beginning with sound samples provided by Scotty Irving of Clang Quartet, Craig Hilton, Drew Robertson, and Steve Burnett will each offer their individual interpretations of Clang Quartet. The performance will take place beginning at or shortly after 8pm on June 2nd 2006, during Raleigh's monthly First Friday Art Walk. Links: C.Hilton: http://www.myspace.com/bleedpig Drew Robertson: http://www.myspace.com/advancedddmusic Steve Burnett: http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html Clang Quartet: http://www.silbermedia.com/clangquartet/ Kirk Adam Gallery: http://www.kirkadam.com/ flyer: http://www.subscapeannex.com/pics/clang2june2006.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 05:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EB503BFFB; Mon, 29 May 2006 05:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents Gnostic Rocket and Morgan Doctor Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:40:44 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c682e2$6df1f0f0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 05:40:03 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS =20 @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday May 30th . Gnostic Rocket (Steve Barber)=20 and Morgan Doctor Gnostic Rocket is an experiment in rhythm, repetition and controlled chaos. It is built on a foundation of dub and experimental music, utilising Theremin (channeled through a Korg X911 guitar synth), Yamaha CS-01 analog synth with breath controller, Korg ER1 drum machine, self-generated samples and the Springboard Dub, a custom designed delay/effects/sound-generating unit by Arius Blaze (www.audible-ism.com). No laptops here. Intensive delay and unpredictable analog sound generators with unusual control features allow a unique improvisation between man and machine, each=20 feeding into and leading the other. An attempt to dethrone the=20 tyranny of the mind and reify the body, Gnostic Rocket is a=20 one-man project of Toronto-based Steve Barber, who will be=20 performing with the following guests: Sean Beresford - guitar, Roger Sader - guitar and Ay Ses Dunya - voice http://www.gnosticrocket.com Morgan Doctor will play a stripped down drum kit / loops /=20 samples / percussion (including tablas and a Swiss instrument called=20 a Hang) and keys and will be joined by Chris Gartner on bass / guitar /=20 effects. They will be performing songs from Morgan's album=20 "Is This Home" as well as new material, which is beat=20 driven down tempo music. http://www.morgandoctor.com http://www.myspace.com/modoctor http://www.aporia-records.com/morgandoctor.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Immersion: One by Steve Roach The first of an ongoing series of long form, steady state "zones"=20 created specifically as tone meditations for the living space. http://www.steveroach.com Between Sets CD . Morula by Colin Rayment Visit http://www.pingthings.com/COLINRAYMENTmorula.htm to find out more about this week's between set CD and tune in to=20 ping things radio every Sun & Wed from 9pm to 12 midnight EST=20 at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment to hear music from this and other discs in the ping things catalogue. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG Tuesday June 6th . The Ministry of Inside Things=20 (Philadelphia, PA) MoIT's Spring/Summer 2006 Tour touches down at the PiNG to=20 bring us another taste of their spacemusic.=20 The Ministry of Inside Things (electronic musician Chuck van Zyl and electric guitarist Art Cohen) are considered among the most innovative of US synthesists today. Influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel, their=20 spacemusic has been described as linear, leading the listener across=20 many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry of Inside=20 Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, with the experience often lasting up to two hours. Through use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic excursion. Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music & performing in public for over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best known for hosting one of the US's most successful radio shows of electronic music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create soundworlds of immense depth and beauty. http://www.synkronosmusic.com/moit.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday May 31st . AGYU Presents Ken Aldcroft's=20 Convergence Ensemble - Ken Aldcroft's Convergence Ensemble,=20 comprised of musicians Ken Aldcroft (guitar), Evan Shaw=20 (saxophone), Scott Thomson (trombone), Wes Neal (bass) and=20 Joe Sorbara(drums), will explore a vast sonic spectrum, deftly charting chordal and melodic passages that dissipate into somber=20 atmospherics in their debut AGYU performance. Art Gallery of York University, Accolade East Building, Room 116 4700 Keele Street . Free =20 * Wednesday May 31 . Soundstreams Presents Heavy Metal: Stockholm Chamber Brass & Friends An intimate yet majestic venue, Trinity College Chapel boasts the=20 best acoustic for brass in Toronto. The concert showcases the=20 Stockholm Chamber Brass and dazzling soloists from Norway, Finland, Canada and the Netherlands. 7:00 pm pre-concert student performance 8:00 pm concert . Trinity College Chapel, Trinity College,=20 University of Toronto, 6 Hoskin Avenue $20 adult $15 senior $5 student =20 =20 * Wednesday May 31st . Poor Pilgrim Series presents Craig Dunsmir & Jonathan Adjemian with DJ Polmo Polpo=20 10 PM . Press Club Bar, 850 Dundas St. W. . PWYC=20 =20 * Wednesday May 31st . Knurl / Chris Worden (collab: metal and=20 laptop? come and find out!); Eric Chenaux (solo guitar); Impending=20 Death Blues Band (ryan driver, marcus quinn, charles balls. blues songs.); Flowers of the Dead (metal islands side project); Bonsai Forestry (wicked psych blowout) 9pm . @the Bagel . PWYC * Thursday June 1st . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians=20 who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players=20 of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East =20 =20 * Thursday June 1st . XENAKIS BY ESPRIT Alex Pauk, conductor - SoundaXis opening concert Jonchaies=A0- Iannis Xenakis Imaginary Opera - Alexina Louie=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Hommage =E0 Vasarely=A0-=A0JohnRea=A0=A0 =A0 Esprit, conducted by Alex Pauk, presents Xenakis=B9 Jonchaies, a=20 work of volcanic energy for very large orchestra, containing some=20 of his most melodically expressive music. The program also=20 features John Rea=B9s Hommage =E0 Vasarely, a sonic parallel to the=20 visual textures of the renowned abstract painter, and Alexina = Louie=B9s=20 visceral, compelling Imaginary Opera. 8:00 pm concert 7:15 pm composers talk . Jane Mallett Theatre St. Lawrence Centre for the Arts . 27 Front Street East Single - $32; Senior - $16; Student - $10 =20 * Thursday June 1st . Soundstreams Presents brilliant brass fanfares=20 from existing repertoire as well as new fanfares by composers from=20 Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Canada will be=20 played throughout the city during informal performances. 12 noon . Fanfares @ Frum - Barbara Frum Atrium CBC 250 Front St. West . Free=20 1:00 - 1.30 pm . TD Fanfares - TD Centre Summer=20 Concert Stage . Free =20 * Friday June 2nd . Soundstreams Presents brilliant brass fanfares=20 from existing repertoire as well as new fanfares by composers from=20 Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Canada will be=20 played throughout the city during informal performances. 8:30 -9.00 am . Fanfares for the Common Commuter=20 Union Station . Free 12 noon- 12.30 pm . Fanfare Discovery - MaRS Discovery=20 District Atrium . 101 College St. . Free =20 * Friday June 2nd . The Creeping Nobodies - Sound of Joy=20 CD Release show. Performers: The Creeping Nobodies,=20 Wharton Tiers Ensemble (producer of Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca,=20 Pussy Galore, member of 80's no-wave band Theoretical Girls),=20 RYVYR (prog/psych side of Jon-Rae and the River) and=20 Wyrd Visions (folk and drone - new album out on Blue Fog=20 9:30pm .Horseshoe Tavern 370 Queen St. W . $8 adv/$10 door =20 * Friday June 2nd . Eric Stach presents THE SCREAM =20 a festival of New Music, Noise/Sound IMPROVISATION a 10 week Friday Night Series May 5th to July 7th Musicians are welcome to drop by and play Place: 105 Clarence Street, London, Ontario, between Hill and South, west of Wellington.=20 9:30pm -1:00 am Every FRIDAY NIGHT no cover byob =20 * Saturday June 3rd . A part of soundaXis 108?Walking Through Tokyo A portrait of Tokyo for gallery exhibit / theatre screening=20 (January 2006, 50 minutes) =20 Sarah Peebles - 50-minute soundscape portrait of the=20 ever-changing metropolis without a centre Christie Pearson - digital images of Tokyo's architecture,=20 spaces and life=20 Yoshimura Hiroshi - essay on Tokyo's soundscape past & present =20 "108 -Walking through Tokyo" immerses the viewer in the richness=20 of a metropolis through image and sound. A journey created by=20 two Toronto artists: soundscape by composer Sarah Peebles;=20 images by artist/architect Christie Pearson. The screening is=20 contextualized by Urban Deconstructions, currently on view at=20 Goethe-Institut Gallery, with work by Alekos Hofstetter and=20 Holger Lippmann of Berlin, and architects Paul Raff and David=20 Warne of Toronto. A 12 min. video-loop from this show=20 precedes Walking through Tokyo. Presented by the Goethe-Institut and soundaXis in cooperation=20 with the Japan Foundation.=20 11 am . Goethe-Institut, Kinowelt Hall 163 King St. W. . Free =20 * Saturday June 3rd . Soundstreams Presents Fanfare Square - Brilliant brass fanfares from existing repertoire=20 as well as new fanfares by composers from Norway, Iceland,=20 Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Canada will be played throughout=20 the city during informal performances. =20 12 noon - 12.30 pm, Dundas Square at Yonge & Dundas . Free =20 =20 * Saturday June 3rd . Plastic Crimewave Sound (Chicago) Residual Echoes (Santa Cruz, CA), Mammatus (Corralitos, CA), Raag Disguises and the Big City Sagittarius=20 (gfreflex/disguises collab) 9pm . @751 Queen Street . $8 =20 * Saturday June 3rd . Canadian Contemporary Music Workshop=20 (Composers' Orchestra) Electroacoustic Forum and Concert The CCMW presents a forum for electroacoustic composers. The=20 composer in residence for this event is distinguished Canadian=20 composer and electroacoustic pioneer, Gustav Ciamaga. He will=20 lead a discussion on relevant issues associated with electroacoustic=20 music, as well as discuss the works of invited emerging composers. =20 Please join us for the forum (free) in the afternoon, followed by a=20 concert at 8pm: works by Gustav Ciamaga, David Ogborn, Henry=20 Ng, Troy Ducharme, and Larry Simon. This event is presented in=20 association with Tapestry New Opera Works. Forum: 2 - 4:30pm; Concert 8pm . Tapestry/Nightwood New=20 Work Studio . The Distillery Historic District 55 Mill St. Bldg #58=20 Studio 316 . $15 ($10 students/seniors) =20 * Saturday June 3rd . soundaXis Festival Special presentation =20 Sonic Architecture featuring Elisabeth Chojnacka French harpsichordist Elisabeth Chojnacka grapples with=20 notions of sonic architecture. 8PM . Music Gallery St George-the-Martyr 197 John St.=20 $20 regular/$15 member + senior/$5 student =20 * Sunday June 4th . Soundstreams Presents MASSbrass The magnificent Byzantine-Revival St. Anne's, one of Toronto's=20 largest churches and a National Historic Site, is illuminated with=20 an afternoon concert of exceptional brass music. Placed=20 antiphonally around St. Anne's great interior space, The=20 Stockholm Chamber Brass, True North Brass and soloists from Norway, Finland, Denmark and Canada will perform=20 new fanfares commissioned for the project, as well as music=20 by Somers, P=E4rt, Takemitsu, Turnage, H=E9tu and others. MASSbrass will culminate in the world premiere of R. Murray=20 Schafer's breathtaking new work for three brass quintets, Isfahan. 2:00 pm pre-concert student performance 3:00 pm concert . St. Anne's Anglican Church, 270 Gladstone=20 $30 adult $20 senior $5 student =20 =20 * May 1st - 31st . New Adventures In Sound Art Presents:=20 Deep Wireless Festival. a month-long celebration of radio and=20 transmission art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can=20 experience performances, sound installations, new commissions,=20 special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Conference Pass $150/130 (+$20 discount - early bird registration) Early bird registration deadline is April 14th, day rates available. May 1st - 31st . The Drake Hotel (1150 Queen St W) & Ryerson=20 University Student Campus Centre (55 Gould St) more info at http://www.deepwireless.ca =20 * May 29th - June 4th . The Toronto Fanfare Project Presented by Soundstreams Canada as part of the SoundaXis=20 Festival of music & architecture, The Toronto Fanfare Project=20 presents an eclectic series of formal and informal brass ensemble=20 concerts over five days in some of the great architectural and=20 acoustical masterpieces in the core of Toronto. More info here: http://www.soundstreams.ca =20 * June 1st - 11th . soundaXis Architecture . Music . Acoustics New Music Arts Projects presents soundaXis, a city-wide festival=20 celebrating architecture, music and acoustics that will transform=20 Toronto into a playground of sound and space exploration. For=20 two weeks, the city will be alive with concerts, interdisciplinary=20 installations, symposia, screenings and site-specific musical events. More info here: http://www.soundaxis.ca =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 06:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635F53BFFE; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:50:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4UEdhD.A.0s.kmpeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 06:50:13 +0000 (UTC) My beloved brother and guitar looper extrordinaire, Bill Walker is getting married to his beloved, Nancy LeVan ( wonderful musician in her own rite) this Sunday in Ben Lomond, California. I want to publicly congratulate him and let you all know of this joyous occasion. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 07:28:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A5613C007; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c682f1$7b8300b0$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006001c680e4$45fee7b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <012101c680e4$ef757930$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007601c680e7$de6e5050$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <014a01c680f2$06826e50$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c680f5$7351a070$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4478DD5D.9060801@post.cybercity.dk> <007401c681fc$99c42c70$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4479A0D0.7090300@post.cybercity.dk> <013801c682c0$3d1c14a0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Wrap Up: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:28:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <7UlKAD.A.O9B.ZKqeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 07:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Great does that mean this thread is over about 95% I think we deserve the best make it 100% yes go for it but without OT re-installs :=) Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" > After two OS re-installs, I was able to reconstruct my system to perform > about 95% of how it behaved before. There are still a few VST effects From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 08:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270893BFDB; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f/klVv+BvxCtT/5GZxN731SKDEQBKSM5ckANTG0XJeceFDw9J6F0orbzbwiGY2R1U20XOqudPJvUv9Ze2p1CWHibKwdrTZ2g+XZj5/vgqh0NvE61nKiXMWhO3E4BWu022u5J0HbDpRw8r4mXQqlfxYGZG9n6wFpWfn3RQpLQVOo= In-Reply-To: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Flight cases Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:10:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <6mm7EB.A.cDE.8xqeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, I'm shopping after some good packaging for my instruments. I found a "Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too heavy with its 12,7 kg!!! Even before you start packing it you are already more than halfway to that merciless over weight fee limit. I guess Peli is not to consider "FLIGHT case", or maybe that brand is designed for well paid NASA engineers and alike ;-) Anyway, I need to get something light and hard that can take a FCB1010 and some more stuff. Any advice? (Zoe Keating once suggested a violin case and rip out the stuffing, which is an option that I'm about to check out as well). Or am I totally wrong here? Does a good case have to weight in on 12.7 kg? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 08:19:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D73F3BFEE; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACRLekSBT4gBLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060529091708.01c46da8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:19:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <20060528214408.88D893BFE3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060528214408.88D893BFE3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <50cDT.A.lYE.55qeEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:19:05 +0000 (UTC) >1. I installed Echo....system worked great. >2. I uninstalled Echo and installed Audigy...didn't like it, but >didn't have the popping eiter >3. I uninstalled Audigy and installed Echo...popping and crackling appeared >4. Tried everything under the sun to resolve the issue...no luck >5. I reinstalled the OS and Echo...problem returned. > >...weirdness. This means that installing Audigy and the software for >did something to my computer hardward (unlikely) or messed with my >audio software, VSTs, etc. I don't get it. I really thought that >reinstalling the OS would solve everything. Logically it would seem that the Echo card was damaged during steps 2 or 3. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 09:01:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D69ED3BEDE; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c2ZD9ui3FWZF66dNnGhvRVY/PIgWgtFPAeFHMzSQy4h0Mlc8rqI/N2+4tJIYhukik58rgqR9pYMiqFf8OhkQPefscLsMXRs8TgwZYd7Ye57YBxVUWl1CK2M2iJBiVRXG/VXM994Y4JKqqzSZhz9d3RlkReJOZ+s+xShuwyNJTfA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:01:41 +0200 From: "mika music" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flight cases In-Reply-To: <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_116918_25914660.1148893301081" References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6ZT3U.A.1vF.2hreEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:01:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_116918_25914660.1148893301081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per, Chek this bag for FCB1010 at Thomann's http://www.thomann.de/thoiw9_rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag_prodinfo.htm= l Speaking of weight the flight case for my Boogie is 18kg, with the boogie inside it's around 50-55 kg!! Fortunately it's on wheels. Lifting it inside my Celica trunk by myself is another story. As for the bag I got one for my pedal but since I just bought it I can't vouch for it. So far so good though,the FCB is not really fragile to begin with so I'm not worried. If I was to check it by plane I would wrap the pedal into something just in case. Michel On 5/29/06, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm shopping after some good packaging for my instruments. I found a > "Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too heavy > with its 12,7 kg!!! Even before you start packing it you are already > more than halfway to that merciless over weight fee limit. I guess > Peli is not to consider "FLIGHT case", or maybe that brand is > designed for well paid NASA engineers and alike ;-) Anyway, I need > to get something light and hard that can take a FCB1010 and some more > stuff. Any advice? (Zoe Keating once suggested a violin case and rip > out the stuffing, which is an option that I'm about to check out as > well). > > Or am I totally wrong here? Does a good case have to weight in on > 12.7 kg? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > ------=_Part_116918_25914660.1148893301081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per,
Chek this bag for FCB1010 at Thomann's
http://www.= thomann.de/thoiw9_rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag_prodinfo.html

Speaking of weight the flight case for my Boogie is 18kg, with = the boogie inside it's around 50-55 kg!! Fortunately it's on wheels. Liftin= g it inside my Celica trunk by myself is another story.

As for the b= ag I got one for my pedal but since I just bought it I can't vouch for it. = So far so good though,the FCB is not really fragile to begin with so I'm no= t worried. If I was to check it by plane I would wrap the pedal into someth= ing just in case.

Michel

Stefan
On 5/29/06, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I'm shopping after some good packagi= ng for my instruments. I found a
"Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too h= eavy
with its 12,7 kg!!! Even before you start packing it you are alread= y
more than halfway to that merciless over weight fee limit. I guess
Peli is not to consider "FLIGHT case", or maybe that brand is=
designed for well paid NASA engineers and alike ;-)   Anyway,= I need
to get something light and hard that can take a FCB1010 and some= more
stuff. Any advice? (Zoe Keating once suggested a violin case and rip
out= the stuffing, which is an option that I'm about to check out as
well).<= br>
Or am I totally wrong here? Does a good case have to weight in on
12.7 kg?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
Per, > Chek this bag for FCB1010 at Thomann's > http://www.thomann.de/ > thoiw9_rockbag_rb23096_effektpedalgigbag_prodinfo.html > > Speaking of weight the flight case for my Boogie is 18kg, with the > boogie inside it's around 50-55 kg!! Fortunately it's on wheels. > Lifting it inside my Celica trunk by myself is another story. > > As for the bag I got one for my pedal but since I just bought it I > can't vouch for it. So far so good though,the FCB is not really > fragile to begin with so I'm not worried. If I was to check it by > plane I would wrap the pedal into something just in case. > > Michel > > On 5/29/06, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:Hi All, > > I'm shopping after some good packaging for my instruments. I found a > "Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too heavy > with its 12,7 kg!!! Even before you start packing it you are already > more than halfway to that merciless over weight fee limit. I guess > Peli is not to consider "FLIGHT case", or maybe that brand is > designed for well paid NASA engineers and alike ;-) Anyway, I need > to get something light and hard that can take a FCB1010 and some more > stuff. Any advice? (Zoe Keating once suggested a violin case and rip > out the stuffing, which is an option that I'm about to check out as > well). > > Or am I totally wrong here? Does a good case have to weight in on > 12.7 kg? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 09:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD2513BEEC; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g6IA82zSnoxlrJcOWNKaB71n3ucTKaxTjuQsLIOB95N3X4SPE7/K/9UapSllbWP69HIisF81/ieatOJxwtLAsOp49ll7WEA2/+4BSjORfz/hgoHhafvjCd7mXpSJm5F3OOW9cB8xYy+mCViNpaM1KLzzdalDs/CboukEe8+SO/w= In-Reply-To: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70D78CBE-0C56-4C9E-889E-1B3B2C7C016E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:38:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:38:44 +0000 (UTC) On 29 maj 2006, at 08.50, loop.pool wrote: > My beloved brother and guitar looper extrordinaire, Bill Walker > is getting married to his beloved, Nancy LeVan ( wonderful musician > in her own rite) this Sunday in Ben Lomond, California. > > I want to publicly congratulate him and let you all know of this > joyous occasion. > > yours, > Rick Walker Holy crap - this is wonderful news! My best wishes to Bill and Nancy! (I'm proudly resisting the almost unbearable urge to make loads of looping jokes on this matter... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 10:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 220893BEEA; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49274.24.16.160.122.1148897808.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Flight cases From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:16:51 +0000 (UTC) > I'm shopping after some good packaging for my instruments. I found a > "Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too heavy > with its 12,7 kg!!! Even before you start packing it you are already > more than halfway to that merciless over weight fee limit. I guess > Peli is not to consider "FLIGHT case", or maybe that brand is > designed for well paid NASA engineers and alike ;-) Anyway, I need > to get something light and hard that can take a FCB1010 and some more > stuff. Any advice? (Zoe Keating once suggested a violin case and rip > out the stuffing, which is an option that I'm about to check out as > well). > > Or am I totally wrong here? Does a good case have to weight in on > 12.7 kg? How much "some more stuff" are you considering? Either an electric guitar or keyboard flight case might meet your needs. Cheers, Kevin www.thenettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 10:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C26033BEF4; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49313.24.16.160.122.1148898176.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <014601c682c0$8ad9f770$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <014601c682c0$8ad9f770$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:22:57 +0000 (UTC) > I'll be in Barcelona, Spain the week of July 10th for work, but I was > thinking of bringing my laptop looping system and either my guitar or a mic. > Any loopers in Barcelona? It would be great to sit in or record with someone > in person. Hi Kris, Is your work with MusicStrands? Or some other company? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 10:28:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AAA93BEFA; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49342.24.16.160.122.1148898487.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kill the spammers From: johnsrude@peak.org To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_20060529032807_37406" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.117 (*) HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:28:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_20060529032807_37406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kim, I'm begging you. 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------=_20060529032807_37406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 10:31:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1B7E3BF07; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49354.24.16.160.122.1148898716.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <025b01c68245$c3c9e2a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <025b01c68245$c3c9e2a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:31:57 +0000 (UTC) > I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West Coast, > USA time), and there are now > 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard Wagner > so graciously set up for us...................in one > day..................how completely cool. I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are impinging on my reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best interests at heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers the address of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to fence. Beware! Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 11:34:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB0063BEF4; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:33:55 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <49354.24.16.160.122.1148898716.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Ooops. Good Point. Thanks, Kevin! Unfortunately I only managed to restrict subscription but not access to the map. We'd better remove ourselves from the map again. I'll throw away the map eventually unless someone has a better idea. I'm sorry for the effort everyone has put into it. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] > Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 12:32 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers > > > I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West > Coast, > > USA time), and there are now > > 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard Wagner > > so graciously set up for us...................in one > > day..................how completely cool. > > I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are impinging > on my > reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best interests > at > heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers the > address > of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to fence. > Beware! > > Cheers, > Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 11:57:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B6AE3BF00; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KxnMg72c9wXqB/UxqOoY50P9W8T34+Wtf2O4Y0TNJx23oO758oGsribgnu7CSlq8uXgTe9GTLEBkX68w87C2eP7YcjAH1s3iTOADptXeep353Pehx97+svhZcabJWyamn/7FRUsmplMnGBKSzcaefQfz49DNaD16xTv6ZIRpYXs= In-Reply-To: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:57:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Here's a viable solution: Place your marker some blocks away from where you actually live! Over here I decided to put my marker at the roof of the Royal Castle. Our king is a swell guy, I'm sure he won't mind ;-) per On 29 maj 2006, at 13.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Ooops. Good Point. Thanks, Kevin! > > Unfortunately I only managed to restrict subscription but not > access to the > map. > We'd better remove ourselves from the map again. > I'll throw away the map eventually unless someone has a better idea. > I'm sorry for the effort everyone has put into it. > > Bernhard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] >> Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 12:32 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers >> >>> I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West >> Coast, >>> USA time), and there are now >>> 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard >>> Wagner >>> so graciously set up for us...................in one >>> day..................how completely cool. >> >> I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are >> impinging >> on my >> reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best >> interests >> at >> heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers >> the >> address >> of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to fence. >> Beware! >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 12:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98EEB3BF0B; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FQKqFVxYscDq0qha/NlrT9KWqcZhms6t4nWAqNmwsP80R4FlgyM8qvPS7nzLvNCXcKhA5eYf73/KXU9/Hw2iTgRqxBwqwiiVAePajAXWUjvk+9KLVUZr8Kg8eq6y4u+bFt83qctHn1wz6Ag5ICxmGCv3PkkQbIZMTB1MOdxFe54= In-Reply-To: <49274.24.16.160.122.1148897808.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> <49274.24.16.160.122.1148897808.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Flight cases Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:09:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:09:26 +0000 (UTC) On 29 maj 2006, at 12.16, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> >> Or am I totally wrong here? Does a good case have to weight in on >> 12.7 kg? > > How much "some more stuff" are you considering? Either an electric > guitar or > keyboard flight case might meet your needs. Yes, that size might fit the bill. But I need something like 700x500x200. I just went out to talk to some "casing pros" around here and was recommended a company that can custom build it after my detailed drawing, cheaper and less heavy. http://www.wemworks.se Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 12:16:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 357153BF13; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001501c68319$b142bd80$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <49342.24.16.160.122.1148898487.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: Kill the spammers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:16:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Yes please I also had spam comming from delight@loopers-delight.com !!! and get almost 50 spam mail per day mailwasher takes care of it the archives are scanned by robots for sure Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Kill the spammers Kim, I'm begging you. Kill the spammers on your list and obuscate the email addresses of folks in the Looper's Delight archives. They could only have got my address from the LD archives. Note the subject: "Chain tape". ------------------------------ Original Message ------------------------------ Subject: Cash out, chain tape From: "shae yates" Date: Sun, May 28, 2006 2:22 pm To: "lawton beach" <...> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How much are you paying for your Home? To much? You have been pre-approved to fill out for a ref inance laon, if you need some cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, etc. We skip the middle man to save hundreds with deals we have! This offer is for you, we DONT CARE about your credit. Apply online now for your instant quote. Stop over paying... http://kolass.org/d2/ rocket-propelled doon-head-clock grain sampler rapture-trembling saddle strap blue-blind one half broad-lipped proud-minded cockspur hawthorn hyperemesis gravidarum gelatin maker tear-expressed self-lacerating ocean-flooded thorough-lighted birdseed rape ambary hemp sandy-haired tu-chung paper colorer screw cap hawser-laid close-shut gavel corn die reamer quasi-royal dynamo brush pork tapeworm razor-sharp back-lighted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 12:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 054D73BF14; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c6831a$8d3b7430$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:23 +0000 (UTC) and in any case you are the only Sweden king we know of !! Cl=:=) Cl0d3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers > Here's a viable solution: Place your marker some blocks away from > where you actually live! Over here I decided to put my marker at the > roof of the Royal Castle. Our king is a swell guy, I'm sure he won't > mind ;-) > > per > > > On 29 maj 2006, at 13.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > >> Ooops. Good Point. Thanks, Kevin! >> >> Unfortunately I only managed to restrict subscription but not >> access to the >> map. >> We'd better remove ourselves from the map again. >> I'll throw away the map eventually unless someone has a better idea. >> I'm sorry for the effort everyone has put into it. >> >> Bernhard >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] >>> Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 12:32 >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers >>> >>>> I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West >>> Coast, >>>> USA time), and there are now >>>> 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard >>>> Wagner >>>> so graciously set up for us...................in one >>>> day..................how completely cool. >>> >>> I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are >>> impinging >>> on my >>> reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best >>> interests >>> at >>> heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers >>> the >>> address >>> of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to fence. >>> Beware! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 13:47:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8116B3BEF6; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "loop.pool" Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:42:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers - UK Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <447B084C.20678.2E4B61@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <025b01c68245$c3c9e2a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:47:53 +0000 (UTC) On 28 May 2006 at 3:59, loop.pool wrote: > Let's fill the map with our presence. Sign up at > http://www.frappr.com/loopers Have done so..... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 14:27:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA5B63BEF9; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c001c6832c$0cfc9f80$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <014601c682c0$8ad9f770$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <49313.24.16.160.122.1148898176.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:27:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 575, in=309502, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4f4ReD.A.0F.iTweEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:27:46 +0000 (UTC) hewlett-packard. I'm hoping to moon light while on the job. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? >> I'll be in Barcelona, Spain the week of July 10th for work, but I was >> thinking of bringing my laptop looping system and either my guitar or a >> mic. >> Any loopers in Barcelona? It would be great to sit in or record with >> someone >> in person. > > Hi Kris, > > Is your work with MusicStrands? Or some other company? > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 15:39:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03C33BEFF; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <447B15C4.2030401@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:39:48 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flight cases References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> <0F58440D-7C8A-4179-A6E9-F68E84D6236D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0F58440D-7C8A-4179-A6E9-F68E84D6236D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Michel, > > Thanks for the quick answer. Yes, I already have one of those FCB soft > cases; the zipper lasted for a couple of weeks ;-) Actually I mentioned > the FCB because it's the biggest piece of gear. It's not fragile, as you > say, but I also want to fit a tc electronics rack device and a laptop > into the same case. I would actually prefer to find some light (read > "cheap for flight") case and stuff it with FCB + clothes/tooth brush > when flying, while carrying laptop and TC in as "computer bag carry-on", > and then when I'm safely grounded again I can move the expensive gear > into the case and put the clothes into the carry-on bag. Bah. Get a trolley-bag and a big-ish laptop/messenger bag (quite a few of which will hold 19" racks, even) Stick the fcb1010 in the trolley, stuff it with clothes and zip it up :) A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 15:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6C163BF0C; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nnMR241sptpXjki/fJ7Frzb24dNKzOJ8S9vnr8iUI8geafiu0hu89qQgRZGzPVwx/pwPWZvWi5envhVKk0YzYIuP66XqVrokTZnyJBRj8lXZOfJxle5X6tb6PRdWbM35noGLZem/tO69owRFFeZxw+s+oUrcaKgnJrOwi6SSYSI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <447B15C4.2030401@post.cybercity.dk> References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> <0F58440D-7C8A-4179-A6E9-F68E84D6236D@gmail.com> <447B15C4.2030401@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <77C139AB-29D2-4CA6-BA08-6518E8837D15@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Flight cases Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:55:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:55:37 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> Michel, >> Thanks for the quick answer. Yes, I already have one of those FCB >> soft cases; the zipper lasted for a couple of weeks ;-) Actually >> I mentioned the FCB because it's the biggest piece of gear. It's >> not fragile, as you say, but I also want to fit a tc electronics >> rack device and a laptop into the same case. I would actually >> prefer to find some light (read "cheap for flight") case and stuff >> it with FCB + clothes/tooth brush when flying, while carrying >> laptop and TC in as "computer bag carry-on", and then when I'm >> safely grounded again I can move the expensive gear into the case >> and put the clothes into the carry-on bag. > On 29 maj 2006, at 17.39, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Bah. Get a trolley-bag and a big-ish laptop/messenger bag (quite a > few of which will hold 19" racks, even) Stick the fcb1010 in the > trolley, stuff it with clothes and zip it up :) That's a great attitude ;-) I already use this set-up on some gigs. Goes well with taxi cabs and as carry-on at flights. But sometimes you really need to get everything down into one safe case ASAP, lock it up and turn for the bar. I just handed over a detailed drawing to some guys that will build me a good custom box (trolley style). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 16:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB6703BF0A; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,184,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="369227869:sNHT51897504" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <991a6318e5a67342ce2cca1a50bdd954@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:06:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick! In case he is not reading these posts on LD, please convey to Bill (and Nancy) my very best wishes for their continued happiness in this new phase of their lives. May every happiness be theirs . . . and in great abundance too. Sincerely, Ted On May 28, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: > My beloved brother and guitar looper extrordinaire, Bill Walker > is getting married to his beloved, Nancy LeVan ( wonderful musician in > her own rite) this Sunday in Ben Lomond, California. > > I want to publicly congratulate him and let you all know of this > joyous occasion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 16:09:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04F563BEF6; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:08:58 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002801c6833a$31ca2130$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaCsl85pSLR2XE5QGyeX42ItO17qAAhrY/A In-Reply-To: <05E0D789-2A1C-464B-B60F-902088521A62@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your feedback. Let me address some of your questions below: > The segment from around the 5 minute mark to the 12 minute > mark really grabbed my attention, nice momentum with some > lovely delicate ornamentation. In the unedited recording, it took me about 15 minutes to decide what to do after I set up the initial loop, and was really delighted when after an eternity of musical standstill I came up first with the bassline, then with the drum groove. ;=) > I would suggest perhaps the use of a tad more percussion with > quirky motifs to thread thru a session, for instance, when > some of the ambientness needs a bit structure to gel - but > that is just my taste these days, not a deep observation. Then you're most likely not to like my live performances ;). I usually try to combine sections with a clearly defined rhythmic structure or pulse with completely odd-metered parts - just as in this recording. Having said that, I'll have to admit that I am not a percussionist by heart so would have a hard time to spontaneously improvise the fitting percussion to hold it all together > Pretty amazing sound quality given that I am listening to an > mp3 of a recording of something streamed in semi-realtime > over the cyber-aether. Actually, only the part Krispen played had been streamed over the net in this recording; this is what I recorded on my side, so my part is uncompressed PCM, Krispen's part is a 6kbps mono ogg/vorbis. > Did you both use headphones or studio monitors as you played? Can only speak for myself here; I used a pair of Dynaudio BM5As listening to the mains and a pair of headphones for the cue channel of Live. If you ask because of the audible metronome in the first part, take a look at my message regarding "metronome bleed" in the archives. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 16:13:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDDB23BF1C; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <447B1D96.8050507@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:13:10 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers References: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:13:11 +0000 (UTC) I say; bring 'em on! If people go through the trouble of seeking me out over frappr to break into my home they'll be the first morons to try out my bowling-ball-and-string boobie traps, hehe. Andreas Per Boysen wrote: > Here's a viable solution: Place your marker some blocks away from where > you actually live! Over here I decided to put my marker at the roof of > the Royal Castle. Our king is a swell guy, I'm sure he won't mind ;-) > > per > > > On 29 maj 2006, at 13.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > >> Ooops. Good Point. Thanks, Kevin! >> >> Unfortunately I only managed to restrict subscription but not access >> to the >> map. >> We'd better remove ourselves from the map again. >> I'll throw away the map eventually unless someone has a better idea. >> I'm sorry for the effort everyone has put into it. >> >> Bernhard >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] >>> Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 12:32 >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers >>> >>>> I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West >>> Coast, >>>> USA time), and there are now >>>> 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard Wagner >>>> so graciously set up for us...................in one >>>> day..................how completely cool. >>> >>> I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are impinging >>> on my >>> reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best >>> interests >>> at >>> heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers the >>> address >>> of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to fence. >>> Beware! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kevin > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 17:16:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C133BF10; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <447B1D96.8050507@post.cybercity.dk> References: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> <447B1D96.8050507@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-964729301 Message-Id: <360a12677a78a720d47f2c2cd629c8ee@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:18:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:16:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-964729301 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Bernhard, Heck. Don't do away with the map! I thought it was pretty dang cool. If these supposed internet bad guys drive all the way to little old Medford, OR they deserve extra points for their effort and bravery! We're so far from any center of culture or any of the usual urban problems (gangs, crime, etc.) we don't even lock our doors around here -- though most of my outdoorsman-type hunting and fishing neighbors do keep big loaded guns and rifles in their pickup trucks and living rooms. I don't myself, mind you. But this neighborhood is an veritable arsenal. Heheheh. I hardly need to bother with any deterrents. I've never felt safer actually. I need never own a gun or burglar alarm myself. The little bit of crime that there is here mostly involves idiots cooking =20= meth out in the woods (or in old abandon houses and farm outbuildings). Anybody stoooooopid enough to get involved with meth probably doesn't even know what the internet actually is -- let alone how to take proper criminal advantage of it (not exactly the brightest elements in =20= the gene pool, mind you). Don't delete the map on my account. Sincerely, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On May 29, 2006, at 9:13 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > I say; bring 'em on! If people go through the trouble of seeking me =20= > out over frappr to break into my home they'll be the first morons to =20= > try out my bowling-ball-and-string boobie traps, hehe. > > Andreas > > Per Boysen wrote: >> Here's a viable solution: Place your marker some blocks away from =20 >> where you actually live! Over here I decided to put my marker at the =20= >> roof of the Royal Castle. Our king is a swell guy, I'm sure he won't =20= >> mind ;-) >> per >> On 29 maj 2006, at 13.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >>> Ooops. Good Point. Thanks, Kevin! >>> >>> Unfortunately I only managed to restrict subscription but not access = =20 >>> to the >>> map. >>> We'd better remove ourselves from the map again. >>> I'll throw away the map eventually unless someone has a better idea. >>> I'm sorry for the effort everyone has put into it. >>> >>> Bernhard >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] >>>> Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 12:32 >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers >>>> >>>>> I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, = West >>>> Coast, >>>>> USA time), and there are now >>>>> 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard =20= >>>>> Wagner >>>>> so graciously set up for us...................in one >>>>> day..................how completely cool. >>>> >>>> I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are =20 >>>> impinging >>>> on my >>>> reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best =20 >>>> interests >>>> at >>>> heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers =20= >>>> the >>>> address >>>> of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to = fence. >>>> Beware! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kevin >> . > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-2-964729301 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bernhard, Heck. Don't do away with the map! I thought it was pretty dang cool. If these supposed internet bad guys drive all the way to little old Medford, OR they deserve extra points for their effort and bravery! We're so far from any center of culture or any of the usual urban=20 problems (gangs, crime, etc.) we don't even lock our doors around=20 here -- though most of my outdoorsman-type hunting and fishing=20 neighbors do keep big loaded guns and rifles in their pickup trucks=20 and living rooms. I don't myself, mind you. But this neighborhood is an veritable arsenal.=20 Heheheh. I hardly need to bother with any deterrents. I've never felt safer actually. I need never own a gun or burglar alarm myself. The little bit of crime that there is here mostly involves idiots cooking meth=20 out in the woods (or in old abandon houses and farm outbuildings). Anybody stoooooopid enough to get involved with meth probably doesn't even know what the internet actually is -- let alone how to take proper criminal advantage of it (not exactly the brightest elements in the gene pool, mind you). Don't delete the map on my account.=20 Sincerely, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On May 29, 2006, at 9:13 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: I say; bring 'em on! If people go through the trouble of seeking me out over frappr to break into my home they'll be the first morons to try out my bowling-ball-and-string boobie traps, hehe. Andreas Per Boysen wrote: Here's a viable solution: Place your marker some blocks away from where you actually live! Over here I decided to put my marker at the roof of the Royal Castle. Our king is a swell guy, I'm sure he won't mind ;-) per On 29 maj 2006, at 13.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: Ooops. Good Point. Thanks, Kevin! Unfortunately I only managed to restrict subscription but not access to the map. We'd better remove ourselves from the map again. I'll throw away the map eventually unless someone has a better idea. I'm sorry for the effort everyone has put into it. Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 12:32 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers I just checked again at 4 a.m. in the morning (California, West Coast, USA time), and there are now 21 loopers from 10 different countries at the group the Bernhard Wagner so graciously set up for us...................in one day..................how completely cool. I don't wish to rain on anyone's parade, but the spammers are impinging on my reality. There are folks who read LD who do not have your best interests at heart. Loopers have a lot of gear. By giving anonymous strangers the address of your house you are telling tweakers where to score gear to fence. Beware! Cheers, Kevin . 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-2-964729301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 18:17:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39443BF10; Mon, 29 May 2006 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J0dMFCImqd9a/yDq3haDta07Yd4una6a9kTZScWFldrhFfzA9pX4zpbyNn2JaWdItOoMeupgV4RXprhu33+rbIsJ/tK3LzCULIBYHBS6UGD55FRQ1ctX1EAS2Zl8xFjAkJ02F/EDJxmqiGvI9jT6w5tjDEYHSM0c6t5CV9bRUo0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <002801c6833a$31ca2130$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <002801c6833a$31ca2130$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <188A4D05-CD4E-4451-8834-20258A1ED187@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:17:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) On May 29, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Then you're most likely not to like my live performances ;). I > usually try > to combine sections with a clearly defined rhythmic structure or > pulse with > completely odd-metered parts - just as in this recording. > > Having said that, I'll have to admit that I am not a percussionist > by heart > so would have a hard time to spontaneously improvise the fitting > percussion > to hold it all together Live performances have a flow that provides an unfolding context so there is no way to predict my liking or disliking. :-) But your file is an edit that decouples the music from context, in a sense. In that regard, percussion motifs could be layered in on a separate track as an afterthought. I was not necessarily thinking, in this case, of percussion as pulse or defined rhythmic structure but rather as texture. It could be completely odd-metered and still provide linkage patterns. Instead of "spontaneously" you could use canned sound bytes that are pedal triggered and randomly sequenced or some such. you wrote: << Actually, only the part Krispen played had been streamed over the net in this recording; this is what I recorded on my side, so my part is uncompressed PCM, Krispen's part is a 6kbps mono ogg/vorbis.>> Makes me wonder, if Krispen made a recording of the same event with your stream would the 2 captures sound the same in terms of buffer lag times etc.? Have you explored strategies of cueing? Not composition per se but mapping options for structuring extended improv? regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 18:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11CB63BF07; Mon, 29 May 2006 18:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Qdg+JK2tFCV1skIruF+jE3fv6MnvctDF3DE/87pawvcgu9s0MRwsZ8HhKcOlFTsEiqRq3QO9ro5ZJbFNpGxlc6qe2Dl1PatbXLbmD9q9iqz7rjgSoFgQvixRhZRQy9BYo/ALp1dUDcl3UPIY/g2Dvki2XgukthCf+K2x1WrBNz0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <360a12677a78a720d47f2c2cd629c8ee@charter.net> References: <003701c68313$c5ea4600$2101a8c0@alhambra> <447B1D96.8050507@post.cybercity.dk> <360a12677a78a720d47f2c2cd629c8ee@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:24:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:24:19 +0000 (UTC) On 29 maj 2006, at 19.18, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > pretty dang cool Yes, I too think the map is nice. Please note my vote for keeping it. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 19:16:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D403BF07; Mon, 29 May 2006 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> References: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-971756213 Message-Id: <7A38E0FF-B0D5-4C77-B780-36C4702B3707@rosewoodblues.com> From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: can anyone burn an EPROM for me? Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:16:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-971756213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Brian, I am in Atlanta but can burn the chip for you if you like. all I need is the code... ken; On May 28, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Brian Cass wrote: > Hey gang - > > I have this roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found > someone that wrote code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So > I need to burn the code onto the 27C128 EPROM . Can anyone cook > this thing for me? > I am in NYC. > > how to turn it into a midi controller - > http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm > > Thanks. > > - b > --Apple-Mail-2-971756213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Brian,

I am in Atlanta but can = burn the chip for you if you like. all I need is the = code...

ken;
On May = 28, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Brian Cass wrote:

Hey gang = -

I have this = roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found someone that wrote = code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So I need to burn the code = onto the=A027C128 = EPROM . Can anyone cook this thing for me?
I am in = NYC.=A0

how to turn it into a midi = controller -

Thanks.

- b


= --Apple-Mail-2-971756213-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 21:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85F8E3BED3; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Flight cases Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2006 21:22:02.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED313B40:01C68365] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) > I'm shopping after some good packaging for my instruments. I found a > "Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too heavy if you have much of a DIY low budget mind, you could try my favorite method: I know this sounds totally silly, but I have had good luck making my own travel cases. I use - ready for this? - cardboard! It really works well! All you need is a couple of good strong cardboard boxes, some good packing tape, a bit of hot glue, and a sheet of packaging foam. The foam I use, I get from my shipping dept. at work, and is about 2" thick and cuts cleanly with a steak knife with no mess. I take apart the cardboard box, carefully measure the equipment, and re-make the box 2" larger than the equipment on each side. Cut up the foam and glue it together to make the padding inside the box. You can get a snug fit pretty easily. When you buy new gear (FCB1010) keep the original packaging! it can often make a really good travel case with only a little work, because it was designed to be shipped all over the world and literally dropped off a ten foot high shelf (shipping standards for packaging specify something like this). I've come up with two good ways to make the box closure. One some of my gear I tape/glue ribbon on the bottom of the box, which I can use to tie the top flaps closed with a bow. I recently discovered a better way though: If you take a sheet of cardboard as wide as the box is wide, and "wrap" it around the box and glue it tightly, it makes a nice sheath which will hold the top flaps closed. Just slide the box out of the sheath and then it can be opened. If you do it tightly, there is no chance of the box coming out inadvertently. Use good strong packing tape to finish all the exposed edges of cardboard flaps, as well as all seams on the bottom and corners of the box. You'll end up with quite a useable travel case for your gear. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 21:31:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F923BEDB; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:31:42 -0400 From: Gary LaRocco Subject: Re: can anyone burn an EPROM for me? In-reply-to: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <200605291731420686.026CB761@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RS6QPtmClyB0+h1EKq1Q7g)" References: <81BA8C5C-6061-4BC9-9D62-83A170C74411@the0verclock.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:31:30 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_RS6QPtmClyB0+h1EKq1Q7g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Brian, If I have a 27C128 and you can send me the EPROM image, I could do it for you for $20 including shipping - payable via PayPal. This is the same as I get for the Waldorf Pulse upgrades I do. If you're interested, please let me know. Regards, Gary *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/28/2006 at 2:17 PM Brian Cass wrote: Hey gang - I have this roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found someone that wrote code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So I need to burn the code onto the 27C128 EPROM . Can anyone cook this thing for me? I am in NYC. how to turn it into a midi controller - http://timara.con.oberlin.edu/~jtalbert/Roland/roland.htm Thanks. - b +++++[>+++++++++>++++++>+++++>+>+++>>++<<<<<<[>++>++>++>+>+ <<<<<-]<-]>>>------.+++++.>.<.---.>++++.<----.>>++++.<.<<+. >>+.---.<<-----.>---.<--.>+.>.>>+.<<++.<<---.--.>>>>>..+++. --Boundary_(ID_RS6QPtmClyB0+h1EKq1Q7g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Brian,
 
If I have a 27C128 and you can send me the EPROM image, I could do it for you for $20 including shipping - payable via PayPal.  This is the same as I get for the Waldorf Pulse upgrades I do.
 
If you're interested, please let me know.
 
Regards,
Gary

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 5/28/2006 at 2:17 PM Brian Cass wrote:
Hey gang -

I have this roland pg1000 fader box, it sends sysex. I have found someone that wrote code to turn it into a basic midi controller. So I need to burn the code onto the 27C128 EPROM . Can anyone cook this thing for me?
I am in NYC. 

how to turn it into a midi controller -

Thanks.

- b

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--Boundary_(ID_RS6QPtmClyB0+h1EKq1Q7g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 21:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B403BED9; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PLg7WuUDd/UWo+hsWIRCOG79FnjiIYjOXeGVaC0z85HgAOr5BKVa/RGMDNsALRldJKO/fC84Df3MOAQkLZrBKGRM63qihq/6+FgNRA/hgjBxreSxU/sWI4nZIe3YOX5KFzzSKrGl1A4LevDqwTY4nYzIP2Zdd7pxYargdj2vmsY= In-Reply-To: References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FB219D0-1C02-47C5-90CE-A4582C38ABC0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Flight cases Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:42:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:42:08 +0000 (UTC) >> I'm shopping after some good packaging for my instruments. I found >> a "Peli" case with the correct measures, but it seems way too heavy > On 29 maj 2006, at 23.22, jondrums wrote: > if you have much of a DIY low budget mind, you could try my > favorite method: > > I know this sounds totally silly, but I have had good luck making > my own travel cases. I use - ready for this? - cardboard! It > really works well! All you need is a couple of good strong > cardboard boxes, some good packing tape, a bit of hot glue, and a > sheet of packaging foam. The foam I use, I get from my shipping > dept. at work, and is about 2" thick and cuts cleanly with a steak > knife with no mess. > > I take apart the cardboard box, carefully measure the equipment, > and re-make the box 2" larger than the equipment on each side. Cut > up the foam and glue it together to make the padding inside the > box. You can get a snug fit pretty easily. > > When you buy new gear (FCB1010) keep the original packaging! it > can often make a really good travel case with only a little work, > because it was designed to be shipped all over the world and > literally dropped off a ten foot high shelf (shipping standards for > packaging specify something like this). > > I've come up with two good ways to make the box closure. One some > of my gear I tape/glue ribbon on the bottom of the box, which I can > use to tie the top flaps closed with a bow. I recently discovered > a better way though: If you take a sheet of cardboard as wide as > the box is wide, and "wrap" it around the box and glue it tightly, > it makes a nice sheath which will hold the top flaps closed. Just > slide the box out of the sheath and then it can be opened. If you > do it tightly, there is no chance of the box coming out inadvertently. > > Use good strong packing tape to finish all the exposed edges of > cardboard flaps, as well as all seams on the bottom and corners of > the box. You'll end up with quite a useable travel case for your > gear. > > Jon Wow, what a great idea! And I guess you can make it even stronger by epoxy laminating it, gluing layers of that strong fiber net used to manufacture boat chassis? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 29 21:50:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BFB3BEDA; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: map to locate fellow loopers Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:50:19 +0200 Message-ID: <005701c68369$e5241630$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about the fuss. Of course it's up to everyone individually how much privacy they need. I'll leave the map up. > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Montag, 29. Mai 2006 20:24 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: map to locate fellow loopers > > On 29 maj 2006, at 19.18, tEd R kiLLiAn wrote: > > > pretty dang cool > > > Yes, I too think the map is nice. Please note my vote for keeping it. > > per > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 02:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBC63BEDA; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c6838e$a9e83540$25b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <49702D13-D195-422A-B0EC-E4E216F96B45@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Flight cases Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:13:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 02:13:39 +0000 (UTC) I have a similar box for a guitar and it's disassembled neck. It's got about 4"-5" tall, and about .5"-.75" thick wooden walls around the perimeter, then larger posts in the corners that the sides are screwed to. I just used a staple gun and Elmers glue, but I bet a glue gun would work even better. I glue and staple the cardboard around entire side, then glued and stapled just the long edge of the side that opens. I use packing tape to close the flap, and don't tear it off when I open it. I just slice along the edge and tape over it again the next time. It has 1" foam top and bottom, and a foam insert that has a cutout of the guitar and neck. I've shipped it all over the place, and feel really comfortable that it will always survive. It's about 4-5lbs light. Cost me about 5 bucks to make. > if you have much of a DIY low budget mind, you could try my favorite method: > I know this sounds totally silly, but I have had good luck making my own travel cases. I use - ready for this? - cardboard! It really works well! All you need is a couple of good strong cardboard boxes, some good packing tape, a bit of hot glue, and a sheet of packaging foam. The foam I use, I get from my shipping dept. at work, and is about 2" thick and cuts cleanly with a steak knife with no mess. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 03:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8E103BED3; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <000501c67fbc$3d7fc240$36a4a344@hppav> References: <00ee01c67db2$ca095de0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <447216B9.9030804@post.cybercity.dk> <049b01c67fae$57f1f6b0$2fb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000501c67fbc$3d7fc240$36a4a344@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3e990828da8b03d4f3761cf61266002b@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight on myspace? Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:04:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 03:04:21 +0000 (UTC) On May 25, 2006, at 12:29 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Just a thought, but might it be useful to have a Loopers-Delight page > on > myspace to draw more traffic to the www.Loopers-delight.com website? eh you mean something like this? http://groups.myspace.com/loopersdelight it's not really a pointer to Kim's site (though it does point) as much as a directory of loopists on myspace. i would consider it a potentially handy group. --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 03:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0DD13BEDC; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZhgPqNRPYmwp5seKhdMG+MDgROYc1nii/cVq6tLD1hJAMFf/GFGI+0OqeRiD2jGb/cD1hsEKt88IJJmslbckdz4xF6BpTdqul6MLHMcAuSbSHOKBxBNkdTvbkH0uviRhS1kyX9uA+RZjA+gAzqgNWcJZEwLNw73HS6zF4W0+zLU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:31:45 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 03:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Summer vacation is coming up, and I'm thinking of trying to write a Looping VST plugin. I know it's reinventing the wheel, but I think I enjoy trying to make something just something for personal use, maybe something with randomness and pitch-shifting (kind of like xoxos discipline2). It appears that you can write your own VST using SynthEdit, PD and Max. I have a basic understanding of C++ and Java, and I'd be interested in coding my own, but I don't have the first idea how to go about it. Anybody out there want to share their experiences? I'm aware of some SynthEdit tutorials, but nothing specific to looping, anybody know of any? I'd love to hear what Jeff Larson has to say : ) -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 05:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7BA3BEDC; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03e201c683a6$b08a47e0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <002801c6833a$31ca2130$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:05:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 575, in=309821, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 05:05:40 +0000 (UTC) It's really interesting for me to listen this, given that I've completely forgotten what I had played. I was just listening to the beginning of this and the melodic guitar came in....and it took me 30 seconds to realize it was me!!! Now at 6:50 I'm hearing some of my middle eastern guitar/sitar influence. ...I like what you did, Rainer....cool vibe. ...oh, here comes my ring mod madness at 7:55....I like the synth work from Rainer here.... I was definitely experimenting with the VST effects on this......some of you probably even here Reaktor Metaphysical and Krypt in there. Unfortunately, I did not record this, as I had some problems with my system....two laptops going at once and too much stuff going on for me to figure it out at that time. I should have pulled my larger Mackie out, then I could have recorded the whole thing in CD quality. Darn. Better luck next time. I like what we did around 21:00 and onward too....that's a Reaktor Krypt sequence slowed down in half time with Mobius, with my using my Boss VF1 synth patch. What are those voices in the background, Rainer? I like that, and the grinding, deep town that appears from beneath once in a while. I like how it ends, with the nice electric piano progression, and the prior madness fading out. It's sort of Pink Floydish, amost. I like to generate that sort of contrast in performances. Just about anyone can create atonal chaotica, but to infuse some melodic familiarity into that can be unique and refreshing. It was a nice resolution....though I can't figure out what the hell I'm doing at 31:54. I was either drunk, or I was playing to a completely different set of music changes....that's bizarre. I can't even conceptualize me playing that part. Rainer, did you cut and past some parts at the end? That's blowing my mind. It was 7am for me, I think....not enough coffee perhaps. :) I love the fadeout....reminds me of the sound effects in the original Time Machine movie. This was a lot of fun!!! I'll see if I can record my next internet performances to share. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online > Thanks for your feedback. Let me address some of your questions below: > >> The segment from around the 5 minute mark to the 12 minute >> mark really grabbed my attention, nice momentum with some >> lovely delicate ornamentation. > > In the unedited recording, it took me about 15 minutes to decide what to > do > after I set up the initial loop, and was really delighted when after an > eternity of musical standstill I came up first with the bassline, then > with > the drum groove. ;=) > >> I would suggest perhaps the use of a tad more percussion with >> quirky motifs to thread thru a session, for instance, when >> some of the ambientness needs a bit structure to gel - but >> that is just my taste these days, not a deep observation. > > Then you're most likely not to like my live performances ;). I usually try > to combine sections with a clearly defined rhythmic structure or pulse > with > completely odd-metered parts - just as in this recording. > > Having said that, I'll have to admit that I am not a percussionist by > heart > so would have a hard time to spontaneously improvise the fitting > percussion > to hold it all together > >> Pretty amazing sound quality given that I am listening to an >> mp3 of a recording of something streamed in semi-realtime >> over the cyber-aether. > > Actually, only the part Krispen played had been streamed over the net in > this recording; this is what I recorded on my side, so my part is > uncompressed PCM, Krispen's part is a 6kbps mono ogg/vorbis. > >> Did you both use headphones or studio monitors as you played? > > Can only speak for myself here; I used a pair of Dynaudio BM5As listening > to > the mains and a pair of headphones for the cue channel of Live. If you ask > because of the audible metronome in the first part, take a look at my > message regarding "metronome bleed" in the archives. > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 05:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 785523BEDD; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060529224102.01ccd380@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:41:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: map to locate fellow loopers In-Reply-To: <005701c68369$e5241630$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <005701c68369$e5241630$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2TMN_D.A.PmF.ps9eEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 05:42:02 +0000 (UTC) At 02:50 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Sorry about the fuss. Of course it's up to everyone individually how much >privacy they need. I'll leave the map up. I agree. Keep the map. Just be inaccurate about your email address but accurate about your phone number and email address. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 16:28:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A69333BEDE; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:28:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0719E0@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs Thread-Index: AcaDmZU5dsHDuQQPQHODueizxSDb6wAasZyA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:28:48 +0000 (UTC) > From: Art Simon > Summer vacation is coming up, and I'm thinking of trying to write a > Looping VST plugin. I don't have any experience with the plugin development environments, but from what I've read, Max or PD are probably the best for looping. My general impression is that Synthedit is easier to use but not as flexible. AFAIK the only looper created with Synthedit is Elottronix. There are several Max loopers, and several list members using it. It is easier to build upon other people's work and share what you create. PD is free so you might want to start there. Max appears to have a larger user community and better support. One thing I can say for sure, writing a VST from scratch is about as much fun as a Tabasco enema. The development environments make this *much* easier. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 17:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A350D3BEE1; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:09:00 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c6840b$bf4e3c40$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaDprHzzlrKHy3OSb666uVN1xdgxgAYw5uw In-Reply-To: <03e201c683a6$b08a47e0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:09:06 +0000 (UTC) > It's really interesting for me to listen this, given that > I've completely forgotten what I had played. I was just > listening to the beginning of this and the melodic guitar > came in....and it took me 30 seconds to realize it was me!!! I took it out from somewhat later in the performance where it was buried under my noise, and thought it would make for a nice intro, as I started the recording after out actual performance had begun. > ...oh, here comes my ring mod madness at 7:55....I like the > synth work from Rainer here.... PPG VST...and I enjoy the wild (may I call it rock-like) guitar solo of yours starting at 9:30, which I had to dig out under the ringmod loop using notchfilter surgery ;) > I like what we did around 21:00 and onward too....that's a > Reaktor Krypt sequence slowed down in half time with Mobius, > with my using my Boss VF1 synth patch. What are those voices > in the background, Rainer? I like that, and the grinding, > deep town that appears from beneath once in a while. I found that, now matter what you throw into Sun Ra regarding samples, the result is not exactly an exact replication of the original samples. In this case, it was some samples which remained from an evening under the influence (so to speak) when I worked with a friend on a hip hop/rap tunes which had its lead vocals composed of sound samples from porn movies. The grinding, deep town - you tell me what it is! ;) > unique and refreshing. It was a nice resolution....though I > can't figure out what the hell I'm doing at 31:54. I was > either drunk, or I was playing to a completely different set > of music changes....that's bizarre. I can't even > conceptualize me playing that part. Rainer, did you cut and You did play this, Krispen, albeit about one hour earlier in the performance ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 17:22:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5D13BEE6; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,190,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="244990946:sNHT22130424" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:22:47 -0400 From: Subject: bari sax & boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.9-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I just thought I'd share some live looping I just put up on my site - the first of many (I hope) as I get more and more into this solo loopy thing! Nothin' fancy, just a boomerang, a mic, and a bari sax, recorded live into Peak - hope you enjoy... (& let me know what ya think!) http://www.freeimprovisation.com/gatoralley.mp3 thanks for listening, Tom Hall freeimprovisation.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 17:35:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32C573BEEE; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053c01c6840f$5ef2e3b0$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <001501c6840b$bf4e3c40$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:34:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 576, in=310358, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:35:00 +0000 (UTC) >> unique and refreshing. It was a nice resolution....though I >> can't figure out what the hell I'm doing at 31:54. I was >> either drunk, or I was playing to a completely different set >> of music changes....that's bizarre. I can't even >> conceptualize me playing that part. Rainer, did you cut and > > You did play this, Krispen, albeit about one hour earlier in the > performance > ;) You are a clever one! Time warp master.... Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 19:26:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171433BEE7; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:25:34 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bari sax & boomerang X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J46fa.7713S.52eaM" Message-Id: <20060530.122546.15626.32104@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2173342456 X-MAIL-INFO:1597ab9aabdbdbcada73cb3aca932b077e9fcb3b07ba83cfbbbeaf139707abcfdf13ababa39fdadf6ed32acb63cbaa634adb171b736a2f X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5CIj+RXO11z7lxZQ0Yb9Rx9vPHRdbxTgKw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.144|webmail04.nyc.untd.com|webmail04.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:26:42 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J46fa.7713S.52eaM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Nothin' fancy, just a boomerang, a mic, and a bari sax, recorded live into Peak - hope you enjoy... (& let me know what ya think!) http://www.freeimprovisation.com/gatoralley.mp3 thanks for listening, Tom Hall freeimprovisation.com = I like this Tom, it had my toe tappin' but thats me! = weg ----__JWM__J46fa.7713S.52eaM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Nothin' fancy, just a boomerang, a mic, and a bari sax,
reco= rded live into Peak - hope you enjoy... (& let me know
what ya th= ink!)

http://www.freeimprovi= sation.com/gatoralley.mp3

thanks for listening,
Tom= Hall
freeimprovisation.com

 

I like this Tom, it had my toe tappin' but thats me!

 

weg

----__JWM__J46fa.7713S.52eaM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 19:33:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5CE3BEDC; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060530.122546.15626.32104@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> References: <20060530.122546.15626.32104@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: bari sax & boomerang Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:31:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) nice, tom! I see also that you worked with steve adams...I love that guy! Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Weg wrote: > Nothin' fancy, just a boomerang, a mic, and a bari sax, > recorded live into Peak - hope you enjoy... (& let me know > what ya think!) > > http://www.freeimprovisation.com/gatoralley.mp3 > > thanks for listening, > Tom Hall > freeimprovisation.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 19:40:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1F03BEF3; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: bari sax & boomerang Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bari sax & boomerang Thread-Index: AcaEDa1s49d6aW+OSmCWUwomStT53wAEmEbQ From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2006 19:40:07.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[DABD3250:01C68420] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, this is very nice. The way the gators take a deep breath somewhere around the 2/3 mark is refreshing. The solo that emerges from the subsequent pile up is like a wrestling match with the last one. Sorry to get programmatic about nothing fancy. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: tohall@rcn.com [mailto:tohall@rcn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bari sax & boomerang Hi all, I just thought I'd share some live looping I just put up on my site - the first of many (I hope) as I get more and more into this solo loopy thing! Nothin' fancy, just a boomerang, a mic, and a bari sax, recorded live into Peak - hope you enjoy... (& let me know what ya think!) http://www.freeimprovisation.com/gatoralley.mp3 thanks for listening, Tom Hall freeimprovisation.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 19:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2623BEF5; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EueBFCCkB/uk/4E2RPiZ4WWjWWOYl66Tlz6q8Qr9cOzbJoffSdsJjPVtWpS/pV+8Tc17T+w1ZarQEXaj1OXL2XxwLOAdZgBv2QV/ePWSh58UBBJRD50eq+lPMKCcD63eBUSzEtp8p0RzgakV6hSm2V9vksezcZiZ9iDC266LakM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <953C7405-E409-4955-A7AF-0539BB067260@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: bari sax & boomerang Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:41:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:41:24 +0000 (UTC) On 30 maj 2006, at 19.22, wrote: > just a boomerang, a mic, and a bari sax, > Tom Hall Nice baritone playing, Tom! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 19:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACFBB3BEEC; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,190,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="245029171:sNHT25466808" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:55:56 -0400 From: Subject: Re: bari sax & boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.9-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:55:57 +0000 (UTC) DQpUaGFua3MhDQpTdGV2ZSBpcyBhIGZhdmUgb2YgbWluZSB0b28uDQpTYXkgaGVsbG8gZm9y IG1lIHdoZW4geW91IHNlZSBoaW0hDQoNClRvbQ0KDQo+bmljZSwgdG9tIQ0KPg0KPkkgc2Vl IGFsc28gdGhhdCB5b3Ugd29ya2VkIHdpdGggc3RldmUgYWRhbXMuLi5JIGxvdmUgdGhhdCBn dXkhDQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+SmVmZiBLYWlzZXINCj5odHRwOi8vd3d3LmplZmZrYWlzZXJtdXNp Yy5jb20NCj5wZk1FTlRVTS5jb20g4oCiIEFuZ3J5VmVnYW4uY29tDQo+DQo+DQo+T24gTWF5 IDMwLCAyMDA2LCBhdCAxMjoyNSBQTSwgV2VnIHdyb3RlOg0KPg0KPj4gTm90aGluJyBmYW5j eSwganVzdCBhIGJvb21lcmFuZywgYSBtaWMsIGFuZCBhIGJhcmkgc2F4LA0KPj4gcmVjb3Jk ZWQgbGl2ZSBpbnRvIFBlYWsgLSBob3BlIHlvdSBlbmpveS4uLiAoJiBsZXQgbWUga25vdw0K Pj4gd2hhdCB5YSB0aGluayEpDQo+Pg0KPj4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5mcmVlaW1wcm92aXNhdGlv bi5jb20vZ2F0b3JhbGxleS5tcDMNCj4+DQo+PiB0aGFua3MgZm9yIGxpc3RlbmluZywNCj4+ IFRvbSBIYWxsDQo+PiBmcmVlaW1wcm92aXNhdGlvbi5jb20NCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 20:02:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616E83BEDD; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <46E399BC-548A-4E18-A6C5-385F14F8E96B@ianhenderson.co.za> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47-1060937971 From: Ian Henderson Subject: Pedalboards talking to Mac (Live) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:02:26 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:02:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-47-1060937971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi All Been doing some basic looping with a GT5, and am wanting to take it =20 to the next level - using looping as an soundscape for my songs, =20 rather than making loop-specific music. I'm going to use Live for =20 starters and see how it works for me and what I want to do. I saw a video with a vocal looper (called Kid Beyond - quite a =20 nutter, and some impressive music) where he talked about some =20 software called Control 8 which converts midi messages to key strokes =20= - which can then be used to control Live, including complex =20 customised assignments. Can't find anything out on the web - am I =20 barking up the wrong tree, or how do people solve this problem? The Behringer FCB1010 is the only readily available footboard here, =20 and looks quite powerful and reasonably robust - this a good option? many thanks Ian >>>> Ian Henderson =93Freefall=94... 10 tracks of love, desire, regret South African Music Award nominee =93Best Album=94 http://www.ianhenderson.co.za hello@ianhenderson.co.za= --Apple-Mail-47-1060937971 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi All

Been doing some basic = looping with a GT5, and am wanting to take it to the next level - using = looping as an soundscape for my songs, rather than making loop-specific = music. I'm going to use Live for starters and see how it works for me = and what I want to do.

I saw a video with a vocal = looper (called Kid Beyond - quite a nutter, and some impressive music) = where he talked about some software called Control 8 which converts midi = messages to key strokes - which can then be used to control Live, = including complex customised assignments. Can't find anything out on the = web - am I barking up the wrong tree, or how do people solve this = problem?

The = Behringer FCB1010 is the only readily available footboard here, and = looks quite powerful and reasonably robust - this a good = option?

many = thanks
Ian


>>>>

Ian = Henderson

=93Freefall=94... 10 tracks of love, desire, = regret

South African Music Award nominee =93Best = Album=94

http://www.ianhenderson.co.za

hello@ianhenderson.co.za

= --Apple-Mail-47-1060937971-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 20:04:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E103BEFC; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,190,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="245031229:sNHT22438504" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:04:36 -0400 From: Subject: RE: bari sax & boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.9-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5_-czC.A.eoF.UVKfEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:04:36 +0000 (UTC) I only make up names when I'm forced to, so I'm afraid my looping tunes are called things like Boomerang1, Boomerang2, etc. My Native Floridian wife (who does my webpage) added the gators - a good thing I thought - names do matter! Tom Hall >Yeah, this is very nice. The way the gators take a deep breath somewhere >around the 2/3 mark is refreshing. The solo that emerges from the >subsequent pile up is like a wrestling match with the last one. > >Sorry to get programmatic about nothing fancy. > >Hal Dean > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 20:20:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 914263BEF4; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: bari sax & boomerang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:19:27 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 05/30/2006 04:20:48 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tom! Just listening to your loop work, here, great stuff!!! I have seen you play (a bunch) with Club D'elf, and always really loved your style! This is the first solo stuff of yours that I've heard though. Anyway, thought I'd drop you a line & let you know that I'm a local (Union Sq, Somerville) amateur looper, and I own a Repeater if you'd ever be interested in checking it out/using it, just ask........I used a single loop device (RC-20) for a long time, and the minute I got my hands on the Repeater, it was like a whole new world opened up. Anyway, keep up the good work- let me know if you ever want to test drive the Repeater! Matt Quinn --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 05/30/2006 04:19 PM cc: Please respond to Subject: Re: bari sax & boomerang Loopers-Delight Hi Tom! Just listening to your loop work, here, great stuff!!! I have seen you play (a bunch) with Club D'elf, and always really loved your style! This is the first solo stuff of yours that I've heard though. Anyway, thought I'd drop you a line & let you know that I'm a local (Union Sq, Somerville) amateur looper, and I own a Repeater if you'd ever be interested in checking it out/using it, just ask........I used a single loop device (RC-20) for a long time, and the minute I got my hands on the Repeater, it was like a whole new world opened up. Anyway, keep up the good work- let me know if you ever want to test drive the Repeater! Matt Quinn --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 20:42:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C70C3BF02; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tY3gy2nhq7fR/S4U+q24VdNvSby6syI9vbyMrFw9WJAbg+PiT6HZy0di4teIg6o7dIDoXK8S8G6yKzXM/jefa1fOsLmUmWqkBRsLKeaJv8E0hLsVRASDNGCqs0biGPSCODlW2gxajQOtkyFBF8sc9XtgmC0JguNWkLOvC1EfoJ0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <46E399BC-548A-4E18-A6C5-385F14F8E96B@ianhenderson.co.za> References: <46E399BC-548A-4E18-A6C5-385F14F8E96B@ianhenderson.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pedalboards talking to Mac (Live) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:42:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:42:17 +0000 (UTC) On 30 maj 2006, at 22.02, Ian Henderson wrote: > Hi All > > Been doing some basic looping with a GT5, and am wanting to take it > to the next level - using looping as an soundscape for my songs, > rather than making loop-specific music. I'm going to use Live for > starters and see how it works for me and what I want to do. > > I saw a video with a vocal looper (called Kid Beyond - quite a > nutter, and some impressive music) where he talked about some > software called Control 8 which converts midi messages to key strokes Hi Ian, The software KB uses for that is MIDI Translator by Bome. http:// www.bome.com. Bome makes Windows XP applications and Kid Beyond runs Live in XP too (just noticed your subject line talking Mac). For Mac OSX there is midiStroke by Charlie Roberts http://charlie-roberts.com/ > The Behringer FCB1010 is the only readily available footboard here, > and looks quite powerful and reasonably robust - this a good option? Yes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 20:49:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0F443BF01; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <46E399BC-548A-4E18-A6C5-385F14F8E96B@ianhenderson.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9386E37C-2D0B-4979-ABD8-9F60E9930523@ianhenderson.co.za> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ian Henderson Subject: Re: Pedalboards talking to Mac (Live) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:49:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC) For Mac OSX there is midiStroke by Charlie Roberts http://charlie- roberts.com/ > > >> The Behringer FCB1010 is the only readily available footboard >> here, and looks quite powerful and reasonably robust - this a good >> option? > > Yes. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen Thanks, Per. I'll check out midiStroke - I'm being a bit lazy here, because I haven't really checked out the midi implementation in Live that much, but do I need to translate midi to keystrokes in Live, or can one set up midi control messages to do most things you need? cheers Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 21:01:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999303BEF0; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=o2gceQK7PvnGYriRg/nnqCI2rjFkPjDE4qvbRTEUf0iG/YJq+hgqZBsvTFmOQTgIiLIQAnyBArx14PIuqZ2jFIXWpQoXipQ3BDI0fEPfQomHLqGA1Y5n9rNZkZa40d2acUmyxDhdOuazv5fNM1BYmgqdCKg+WfXXMd4r2ifz/Xg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <9386E37C-2D0B-4979-ABD8-9F60E9930523@ianhenderson.co.za> References: <46E399BC-548A-4E18-A6C5-385F14F8E96B@ianhenderson.co.za> <9386E37C-2D0B-4979-ABD8-9F60E9930523@ianhenderson.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Pedalboards talking to Mac (Live) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:01:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <0pZhmB.A.Z8H.9KLfEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:01:49 +0000 (UTC) On 30 maj 2006, at 22.49, Ian Henderson wrote: > Thanks, Per. I'll check out midiStroke - I'm being a bit lazy here, > because I haven't really checked out the midi implementation in > Live that much, but do I need to translate midi to keystrokes in > Live, or can one set up midi control messages to do most things you > need? Depends on what things you need ;-) ? Recordiing audio input for static looped playback can be done, but you need midiStroke to get at it from MIDI foot pedals, as well as getting at the delete button to pull off a "undo" function. Sound-On-Sound style overdub layering looping with feedback control has not been possible with Live, unless you run the excellent tape delay simation AU plug-in Augustus Loop as "the looper". That's really cool because you can also play the pitch of the loop by MIDI (MIDI keyboard, MIDI guitar or simply sending MIDI notes from pedals). Since Live 5 there is also the built-in Ping-Pong Delay that now comes with a Freeze Loop function. Look for the little "F" in the plug-in window and assign any MIDI event to switch the Freeze Loop on or off. I think you can only get two bars but feedback overdubbing is working fine. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 30 21:11:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4AA3BF06; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <46E399BC-548A-4E18-A6C5-385F14F8E96B@ianhenderson.co.za> <9386E37C-2D0B-4979-ABD8-9F60E9930523@ianhenderson.co.za> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-49-1065080177 Message-Id: <5628F65D-7D01-46CA-BFCA-9F3C1D2B9BFC@ianhenderson.co.za> From: Ian Henderson Subject: Re: Pedalboards talking to Mac (Live) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:11:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:11:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-49-1065080177 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Cool, Per - I'll check into all of this. Many thanks, Ian >>>> Ian Henderson =93Freefall=94... 10 tracks of love, desire, regret South African Music Award nominee =93Best Album=94 http://www.ianhenderson.co.za hello@ianhenderson.co.za On 30 May 2006, at 23:01, Per Boysen wrote: > > Recordiing audio input for static looped playback can be done, but =20 > you need midiStroke to get at it from MIDI foot pedals, as well as =20 > getting at the delete button to pull off a "undo" function. > > Sound-On-Sound style overdub layering looping with feedback control =20= > has not been possible with Live, unless you run the excellent tape =20 > delay simation AU plug-in Augustus Loop as "the looper". That's =20 > really cool because you can also play the pitch of the loop by MIDI =20= > (MIDI keyboard, MIDI guitar or simply sending MIDI notes from pedals). > > Since Live 5 there is also the built-in Ping-Pong Delay that now =20 > comes with a Freeze Loop function. Look for the little "F" in the =20 > plug-in window and assign any MIDI event to switch the Freeze Loop =20 > on or off. I think you can only get two bars but feedback =20 > overdubbing is working fine. > > Greetings from Sweden > --Apple-Mail-49-1065080177 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Cool, Per - I'll check into all = of this. Many thanks, Ian


>>>>

Ian = Henderson

=93Freefall=94... 10 tracks of love, desire, = regret

South African Music Award nominee =93Best = Album=94

http://www.ianhenderson.co.za

hello@ianhenderson.co.za



On 30 = May 2006, at 23:01, Per Boysen wrote:



Since = Live 5 there is also the built-in Ping-Pong Delay that now comes with a = Freeze Loop function. Look for the little "F" in the plug-in window and = assign any MIDI event to switch the Freeze Loop on or off. I think you = can only get two bars but feedback overdubbing is working = fine.

Greetings from Sweden


= --Apple-Mail-49-1065080177-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 05:00:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 527803BEDF; Wed, 31 May 2006 05:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:00:20 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 31st May 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 05:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 31st May 06 ============================= VA / A Tribe Called Glitch Vol. 1: Elements Of Circuitry (Backwards Records) The Flashbulb / Red Extensions Of Me (Bohnerwachs Tontraeger) Rusuden / Formulae Remixes (Manifold Records) The Weathermen / Embedded With (Urgence Disk Records) JOB KARMA / STRIKE (Ars Benevola Mater) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 07:18:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 142643BEDC; Wed, 31 May 2006 07:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <447D4343.3060602@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:18:27 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: RME PCI cardbus vs Firewire References: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000a01c67fd9$69b506a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Could you elaborate a little more on that? What do you have to do > specifically on the MIDI ports to get which effect on the audio ports? As I > do own a Multiface, I'm somewhat curious... I have heard about this issue also, but never experienced it with my setup (It was some time ago with my recently stolen Titanium Powerbook and the Multiface). As I did use a faderbox I expected problems, but it worked always flawless... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 07:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177253BEE8; Wed, 31 May 2006 07:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <447D435E.20501@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:18:54 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS? Home, Media or Pro? References: <20060519174729.21078.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060519174729.21078.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:18:56 +0000 (UTC) A last reply to the whole thread, there was a description in the german computer magazin c't which showed how to turn a XP Home into an almost complete XP Pro. The installer disks contain almost the same, they only differ in what they install... I didn't bother, my XP is dead at the moment (switched off an unfinished install of an antivirus program, which rendered the machine completely useless, it would boot, but each click would need several minutes to do something. But as there is a working Linux installation on it, and my main working machine still is a Mac, I can happily wait till I find somebody who knows the tricks to reanimate that box....) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 08:30:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6523BEDC; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060531083048102.18ED91C000AD@mwinf1204.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <447D5436.4040303@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:30:46 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> <4479A27E.1030106@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <4479A27E.1030106@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Yeah - apart from Krispens latest follies it seems all we do around here > is trouble-shoot hardware!!! Even a violin or a cello has hardware issues, I am sure Zoe could tell us stories about that... But I think the more remarkable point of the inital post was about a relation ship with an instrument. One advantage of a hardware setup is, it doesn't change that much, because its too much hassle or too expensive to change it. This leads to a more solid connection to your instrument, which is essential for making good music. The software does not force you to change it, but we are all addicts of featureitis. If we could learn to focus on the instrumental aspect of making music, it would help the environment automatically, we would use our gear for a much longer time. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 09:03:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516463BEDE; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fn2rD4KABpjvGAa4LRBAbF1TEWp0zYdiDIHWGbi8YNl/35SadEe7K8JBKkwGaZrTSe0oP7c64HXGFZfAaKfSSsHbgsyW2Kx5lG3y7P4yshAnOWPc+cEfnPosjE3vqQpP8Aiih7h3k31eG8YJMyWKbrQcfslI5v2TUVJVk9LS4+I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <447D5436.4040303@addcom.de> References: <002001c680c7$fba61290$0400000a@mini> <588ce11d0605260837q2efb0586s150439491140a97e@mail.gmail.com> <4479A27E.1030106@post.cybercity.dk> <447D5436.4040303@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91E01E2B-FB4C-4D69-8650-76FC277E298A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Computers and Global responsibility - was RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:02:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:03:06 +0000 (UTC) > Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >> Yeah - apart from Krispens latest follies it seems all we do >> around here is trouble-shoot hardware!!! Not necessarily so. There is a heavy systematic error built into this matter; those that don't suffer gear issues don't post much since they're too busy having fun with music. On 31 maj 2006, at 10.30, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > One advantage of a hardware setup is, it doesn't change that much, > because its too much hassle or too expensive to change it. This > leads to a more solid connection to your instrument, which is > essential for making good music. > The software does not force you to change it, but we are all > addicts of featureitis. > If we could learn to focus on the instrumental aspect of making > music, it would help the environment automatically, we would use > our gear for a much longer time. I totally agree! I posted this in a slightly different wording some days ago. It's important to understand that using software demands that the user stays focused on the music to create. As opposed to the "trying-out-every-damn-aspect-of-what-these-plugins-can-do" attitude, that tends to be the true path right down into Reformat Hell ;-) Of course every newbie musician needs to try out a lot to find his true instrument. But this is only the platform to start from. The real trip is to stay with, and grow with, that instrument until it becomes seamlessly creative. I don't think this process is different when using software. The challenge, though, is that the middle step - staying and growing - is so easy to skip over with software. People that don't know better may get caught in a limbo. The Dark Loop Of No Output.... ;-) (last words declared through a two octaves pitch down box) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 13:06:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22453BED6; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=f+3UlSAdQvpodp9gAt+S/hvfU7ODjGB7KBzdhdt6CeOEnumjzfnGHNgtyqvZcNM2/gH3KZ8mWXxVKY0cjLv1t0zJ7nduaNRCGqTCBI7u58gAe5MwQfnwmfHY/Vx19rfgRWSrk2CZM16PuZBf3RtbM+Ccq/BrNLO6aASppByjOHo= ; Message-ID: <20060531130610.22326.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <991a6318e5a67342ce2cca1a50bdd954@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Allright Bill welcome to the club!and dont worry looping is not over;-) cheers man Luis --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Hi Rick! > > In case he is not reading these posts on LD, please > convey to Bill (and > Nancy) > my very best wishes for their continued happiness in > this new phase of > their lives. > May every happiness be theirs . . . and in great > abundance too. > > Sincerely, > > Ted > > On May 28, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: > > > My beloved brother and guitar looper > extrordinaire, Bill Walker > > is getting married to his beloved, Nancy LeVan ( > wonderful musician in > > her own rite) this Sunday in Ben Lomond, > California. > > > > I want to publicly congratulate him and let you > all know of this > > joyous occasion. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 14:26:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42CEB3BEE2; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PUK5tMxM7LwHPp6MiuPrx6SLRfuY9EiKAQrowj4pAm9d2n6RVYXcVwEGU+oZs8Sk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1383438.1149085561654.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:26:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rob Byrd's Brooding Loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404b54bd45e180507af5635b34800e39a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: <_AAlkB.A.OAG.6dafEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang! Tim here, on-topic for a change. I am listening to Rob Byrd's latest CD, "My Ghosts and Yours," for the Nth time, and it is a wonderful wash of dark ambience. It would make terrific soundtrack music. He sure knows what he's doing with those Quadraverbs! Yours in LXP-15, Tim Mungenast www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 14:27:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606383BEE2; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=imlYM25OiBZiI4SfQTEQ4I7yYvRwJdPtv3Y5c4D6FhweUSeJmuWPyIj31NIoiNok; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4194269.1149085657664.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:27:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bob Sellon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f7d366a90e5d2b2890284c37140f9c74350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) I hear that Bob Sellon is converting Alexes to Jam Mans. Anyone know how I can reach him? ~Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 14:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A0033BEE8; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fiyj5L61qK03ZJyFPB60N+TlwYz4fizb02WORQpx2HxX48Em9vOmMq7HfSPD3NMv; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31818901.1149086142705.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:35:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f30fb138e48debb288249434f58d4a82350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: <7hH4XB.A.-mG._mafEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, what HE said! And I'd like to add my congratulations. (Here I am throwing virtual rice...) ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: "L.A. Angulo" >Sent: May 31, 2006 9:06 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED > >Allright Bill welcome to the club!and dont worry >looping is not over;-) >cheers man >Luis > >--- tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > >> Hi Rick! >>=20 >> In case he is not reading these posts on LD, please >> convey to Bill (and=20 >> Nancy) >> my very best wishes for their continued happiness in >> this new phase of=20 >> their lives. >> May every happiness be theirs . . . and in great >> abundance too. >>=20 >> Sincerely, >>=20 >> Ted >>=20 >> On May 28, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: >>=20 >> > My beloved brother and guitar looper >> extrordinaire, Bill Walker >> > is getting married to his beloved, Nancy LeVan ( >> wonderful musician in=20 >> > her own rite) this Sunday in Ben Lomond, >> California. >> > >> > I want to publicly congratulate him and let you >> all know of this=20 >> > joyous occasion. >>=20 >>=20 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 >http://mail.yahoo.com=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 16:23:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6307B3BEE6; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <32B19B5B-7E61-4EF5-9FAB-0D636E25A2EE@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Bob Sellon Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:23:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:23:46 +0000 (UTC) BobSellon@StecRecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 17:02:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC583BEDE; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3exfKKLMXSvvxJiy4O9O9MAW7es2n09joCgRufr1noGTjp8NPIZsy62myN8885jRKT3i7EoENtfJzs1SKoYZfUiVCQ7zQR3c8dYYxK74ivrPHPPnpFSly6kJs30EVhIbAtEZZf8OcxFmcMF3sUmUtZ8sZlXDwBOA6yGTtgZOw8E= ; Message-ID: <20060531170214.25974.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: JamMan Repair in SF Bay area? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1383438.1149085561654.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey, A friend of mine's got a JamMan with some bad pots. Any suggestions as to where he could take it in the SF bay area? Thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 17:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6987E3BEF4; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JfFduHzkctY1vp0cDAHXUyCbWH6zKq3ZzfzBZbds3EI3DyB4gE3CR51WVNgcHfna597U8dbdD7p89/tMG69QIgKo9D/6HlpoG55KdmZNzKd8G8VKDG+HvJLeIyQ3I6sNqYCJQljTNUzQ+PXkL1/2wtR4aI9EeDzZwIIldFyylyc= ; Message-ID: <20060531173356.46256.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:33:56 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Video-clip live-looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2056856103-1149096836=:44628" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:33:58 +0000 (UTC) --0-2056856103-1149096836=:44628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At this video at 02.20 Eivind Aarset plays with his band and the repeater. http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2006_2_16_9.33.15.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende best regards Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-2056856103-1149096836=:44628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
At this video at 02.20 Eivind Aarset plays with his band and the repeater.
 
 
 
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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-2056856103-1149096836=:44628-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 17:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0235C3BEE7; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OkNsrWWtke9NR7hRhOSRVELelHrBUwmaxJbwbfzk3QpDp1RqLxPeLaZnOF5vlAdr; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <29779595.1149097339173.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:42:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bob Sellon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a6e938a967bcd88e1b268879681e39c5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Big thanks, Ed. ~T -----Original Message----- >From: Ed Drake >Sent: May 31, 2006 12:23 PM >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Bob Sellon > >BobSellon@StecRecords.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 17:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A053BEF3; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y6OJeOer263dRrtpUhIxlbB7iH1fhR6b2jTCZUIScIbfbIqmbzBaMVYGhORrnSEdqznSrMxEHn1TYBU9EykjIAnnDUGEMRCicJDYIixuffsXVDl6tvd9EOjNzb/qvboTkhoqXJ6o1s5CK44MATzm7v0tqx1VoDT7ubcIVT+TCnI= ; Message-ID: <20060531175122.58669.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Play/Configure To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <91E01E2B-FB4C-4D69-8650-76FC277E298A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > The real trip is to stay with, and grow with, that > instrument until it becomes seamlessly creative. While this type of featureism is easier with software, it's not totally absent in the world of hardware too, especially with some of the more complicated boxes like the EDP. Any time you're put in a system with a large amount of possibilities it's easy to be lulled by the dazzeling array of features available to today's modern musician. I tend to notice I go through cycles of play/configure. I've been thinking about this a lot lately as I've been in a deep configure mode. I know why though. I have this "feature set" in my head that I can't seem to make happen in reality... well not without 6 EDPs which I can't afford (or fit in my rack). I've become obsessed with it and can't seem to let go. So how does one ignore the bee in one's bonnet? I bet a good answer to that is unsubscribe from this list. I love this list, but it's a constant "Oh look at this cool thing" in your ear. A lot of it's easy to ignore, but when you've got a craving for a specific thing and someone keeps wafting the scent of it towards you via TCP/IP it's very hard to ignore. In any case, I'm back with my trusty Repeater. Imperfect, but it still comes far closer to what works for me than anything else in this topsy turvy world. Time to make some loops... Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 18:41:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029F03BEEE; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:43:09 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? In-reply-to: <01c001c6832c$0cfc9f80$16b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007101c684e2$103d3580$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Not relevant to looping, and you've probably heard this - but keep your hands on your wallet in your pocket while on Los Ramblas (not sure about the spelling) - pickpocketing is rampant there, to a blatant, unbelievable extent that I have never seen or even heard of anywhere else (or at least this was the case 5 years ago when I was there). And beware of ladies stopping to offer you flowers, while someone else "accidentally" bumps into you. Of course, you know about the standard cool things - chief among them the Gaudi church and park, and the Picasso museum. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? > > > hewlett-packard. I'm hoping to moon light while on the job. :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? > > > >> I'll be in Barcelona, Spain the week of July 10th for > work, but I was > >> thinking of bringing my laptop looping system and either > my guitar or > >> a mic. Any loopers in Barcelona? It would be great to sit in or > >> record with someone > >> in person. > > > > Hi Kris, > > > > Is your work with MusicStrands? Or some other company? > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 18:42:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B973BECA; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4FCDA3E3-5726-443C-96F5-0F282FE97256@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:42:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <-Ouu.A.wR.xOefEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:42:57 +0000 (UTC) On May 31, 2006, at 1:42 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Big thanks, Ed. > > ~T > > Tim, You are welcome! I reread your original message and actually It's the ReFlex you can turn into a JamMan not the Alex. More info here: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/ Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 18:48:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FCDB3BEFC; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <4FCDA3E3-5726-443C-96F5-0F282FE97256@comcast.net> References: <4FCDA3E3-5726-443C-96F5-0F282FE97256@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Bob Sellon Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:47:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for the lack of subject line! Ed On May 31, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Ed Drake wrote: > > On May 31, 2006, at 1:42 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >> Big thanks, Ed. >> >> ~T >> >> > > Tim, > You are welcome! I reread your original message and actually It's > the ReFlex you can turn into a JamMan not the Alex. > > More info here: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/ > > > Ed > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 18:53:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 059D03BEF4; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060531175122.58669.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060531175122.58669.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Play/Configure Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:53:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Yup, I think the issue is in the artist's personality, not the gear.=20 Feature-itis can take place with hardware or software.....or trumpet=20 mouthpieces, guitar strings....banjo tuners.....bagpipe reeds.... It is about making music, not making technology... technology (hware or=20= sware) should be our servant, we should not be its servant..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 31, 2006, at 10:51 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> The real trip is to stay with, and grow with, that >> instrument until it becomes seamlessly creative. > > While this type of featureism is easier with software, > it's not totally absent in the world of hardware too, > especially with some of the more complicated boxes > like the EDP. Any time you're put in a system with a > large amount of possibilities it's easy to be lulled > by the dazzeling array of features available to > today's modern musician. > > I tend to notice I go through cycles of > play/configure. I've been thinking about this a lot > lately as I've been in a deep configure mode. I know > why though. I have this "feature set" in my head that > I can't seem to make happen in reality... well not > without 6 EDPs which I can't afford (or fit in my > rack). I've become obsessed with it and can't seem to > let go. > > So how does one ignore the bee in one's bonnet? I bet > a good answer to that is unsubscribe from this list. > I love this list, but it's a constant "Oh look at this > cool thing" in your ear. A lot of it's easy to ignore, > but when you've got a craving for a specific thing and > someone keeps wafting the scent of it towards you via > TCP/IP it's very hard to ignore. > > In any case, I'm back with my trusty Repeater. > Imperfect, but it still comes far closer to what works > for me than anything else in this topsy turvy world. > Time to make some loops... > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 19:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4810A3BEEC; Wed, 31 May 2006 19:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bMe7G01J/UWYjydXaLedzDjGk7NTMg+oxuNxvuYTknte3Sd/RHTfzMn7+2X7I6r0; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <33183621.1149102538423.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:08:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ff77db1775229401ea96c4ba9b1ec369350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.53 Resent-Message-ID: <0gNviD.A.GDC.KnefEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Yow, $400! I'm totally sure it's worth $400, but I do not have $400. Maybe someday when I get a steady job ;-) Thanks again for your help. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Ed Drake >Sent: May 31, 2006 2:42 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: > > >On May 31, 2006, at 1:42 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >> Big thanks, Ed. >> >> ~T >> >> > >Tim, >You are welcome! I reread your original message and actually It's >the ReFlex you can turn into a JamMan not the Alex. > >More info here: http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/ > > >Ed > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 21:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62CAA3BED8; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021d01c684fb$944e1240$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <12ba01c64bca$e347d350$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:45:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021A_01C684C9.48CFD1F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.m-audio.com) (http) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 579, in=317075, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:45:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C684C9.48CFD1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone on the list using the M-Audio Fast Track Pro?=20 Fast Track Pro 4 x 4 Mobile USB Audio/MIDI Interface with Preamps USD 249.95 http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro-main.html I'm just curious how this would compare to the Indigo IO in terms of = quality and latency, etc....I don't have any experience with USB = interaces and latency, except with the Digidesign mBox, where playback = and recording buffer settings needed to vary when I wanted no latency = recording or no buffer error playback. Kris 1. Echo IO = http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 2. Echo DJ - = http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - = $849 4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ = - $549 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749 6. M-Audio 1814 - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - = http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - = http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - = http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - = http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=3D1&subcategory=3D2= 04&product=3D10769 - $100 12. M-Audio 410 - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire410-main.html - $299 Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way = I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of = inputes these more expensive units have and what they can do, the price = does seem right. Now, for my user requirements: - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich = preferrably - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not = disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not = like) - $300 or less Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol = UA-5. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C684C9.48CFD1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is anyone on the list using the M-Audio Fast Track=20 Pro? 
 
Fast Track Pro
4 x 4 Mobile USB = Audio/MIDI=20 Interface with Preamps
USD = 249.95
htt= p://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro-main.html
 
I'm just = curious how=20 this would compare to the Indigo IO in terms of quality and latency, = etc....I=20 don't have any experience with USB interaces and latency, except with = the=20 Digidesign mBox, where playback and recording buffer settings needed to = vary=20 when I wanted no latency recording or no buffer error=20 playback.
 
Kris
1. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200
2. Echo DJ - http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200
3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - $849
4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549
5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749
6. M-Audio 1814 - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499
7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149
8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - = http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2> - $1075
9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - = http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500
10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300
11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS = Notebook  -=20 http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=3D1&su= bcategory=3D204&product=3D10769 - $100
12. M-Audio 410 - http= ://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire410-main.html -=20 $299
 
Most of these are totally overkill = for=20 me...there's no flippin' way I'm spending $500-800 on an audio = interface, but=20 given the number of inputes these more expensive units have and what = they can=20 do, the price does seem right.

Now, for my user requirements:
 
- 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 = mic input=20 (optional)
- Small and portable (no rack mount = units), the=20 size of a sandwich preferrably
- USB, Firewire, or = PCMCIA (PCMCIA=20 is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not disable my laptop's soundcard...my = Audigy=20 2 ZS does, which I do not like)
- $300 or = less
 
Given this, the Echos = look good, as=20 do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol UA-5.
 
Kris

------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C684C9.48CFD1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 21:48:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 167203BEEE; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Oxygen 8 midi controller - $75 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) You know the one. 25 full size velocity sensitive keys, Pitch and mod wheels with assignable slider and 8 assignable knobs. I mostly used this with rackmount synths and rebirth (love twiddlin' those 303 controls). USB and Midi connections. perfect for laptop or whatever. very good condition cosmetically, 100% perfect functionally $75 obo plus ship gets it. I'd love to do paypal or USPS MO. Trades for weird stompboxes or frac rack stuff possible. I like Modcan and Cyndustries stuff too if you want this as a deposit on a module. let me know what you gots. thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 22:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45093BEFA; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <447E12B3.5040302@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:03:31 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online References: <000001c681e7$dca3ab20$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c681e7$dca3ab20$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > or go via http://www.moinlabs.de/i_msa.htm This will give me a 404 page not found error, has it moved? I'd love to hear it. By the way, the reason for not being able to access your menus: They don't work on small screens, no way to scroll to the end. A little design flaw (I have a 12" screen on my powerbook) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 22:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3EAE3BEE2; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C68501.72F75CFA" Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071A92@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <021d01c684fb$944e1240$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Thread-Index: AcaE+5cUnWiQumvLTnmu+xJBD95eiQABaOHw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:27:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68501.72F75CFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This doesn't answer your question, but one that wasn't on your list in the same price range is the PreSonus Firebox 6x10 at $299. It got good press when it came out about a year ago, it looks like the Fast Track is trying to compete in that space. =20 These should all have comparable sound quality, which for live use isn't that important anyway. I've heard people whine about the mic pre's on one unit over another but if you're that serious about it you probably have your own standalone preamps anyway. =20 Latency should be no problem if you're only using a few channels. In theory USB/Firewire devices are more suspectable to bus contention than a PCMCIA card, but if you only have one high-speed device on the bus it isn't an issue. Just avoid having the audio interface, scanner, video digitizer, and external backup hard drive all going at the same time :-) =20 Historically firewire has had a better reputation than USB, but they're about the same now. USB is a bit twitchier with hubs, you have to be careful never to mix USB1 and USB2 devices on the same hub. If you're plugging directly into the computer you're fine. =20 Really the only thing to be greatly concerned about is the quality of the device drivers, especially if this is a relatively new device. I like to sift through the manufacturer's support forums to see if people are complaining. =20 Jeff =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68501.72F75CFA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This doesn't answer = your=20 question, but one that wasn't on your list in
the same price range is = the=20 PreSonus Firebox 6x10 at $299.  It got
good press when it came = out about=20 a year ago, it looks like the Fast
Track is trying to compete in that = space.
 
These should all have = comparable=20 sound quality, which for live use
isn't that important anyway.  = I've=20 heard people whine about the mic
pre's on one unit over another but = if you're=20 that serious about it you
probably have your own standalone preamps=20 anyway.
 
Latency should be no = problem if=20 you're only using a few channels.  In
theory USB/Firewire = devices are=20 more suspectable to bus contention
than a PCMCIA card, but if you = only have=20 one high-speed device on the
bus it isn't an issue.  Just avoid = having=20 the audio interface,
scanner, video digitizer, and external backup = hard drive=20 all going at
the same time :-)
 
Historically firewire = has had a=20 better reputation than USB, but
they're about the same now.  USB = is a=20 bit twitchier with hubs, you
have to be careful never to mix USB1 and = USB2=20 devices on the same hub.
If you're plugging directly into the = computer you're=20 fine.
 
Really the only thing = to be greatly=20 concerned about is the quality of
the device drivers, especially if = this is a=20 relatively new device.
 I like=20 to sift through the manufacturer's support forums to = see
if=20 people are complaining.
 
Jeff
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C68501.72F75CFA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 22:36:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D703BECC; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C68502.9F8E5BDA" Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071A95@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071A92@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Thread-Index: AcaE+5cUnWiQumvLTnmu+xJBD95eiQABaOHwAAAbwpA= From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:36:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68502.9F8E5BDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In theory USB/Firewire devices are more suspectable to bus contention =20 This of course should be "more susceptable". =20 =20 Jeff ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68502.9F8E5BDA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> In theory = USB/Firewire devices=20 are more suspectable to bus contention
 
This of course should be "more=20 susceptable".    <= /FONT>
 
 Jeff
------_=_NextPart_001_01C68502.9F8E5BDA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 22:38:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6673F3BEF3; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lh743UQ5sh7+PDuIXG3r1NWIRmz2ScH+qJhpL+ykYbQXjaFCBNcnLAXFAA9bK4Vz5glPvhoLZPglDXXT7jk7ccVwHDsqcMATSyXRa7pHtdybAK4nbjxni1nRHvQt3fOkf7JLi06ot/XWhSubP8cxpizcUd7Ph9GgJs9b4UPa2g8= ; Message-ID: <20060531223759.57228.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: frappr: map to locate fellow loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c681ed$cc8e2de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <31KJfD.A.SAD.JrhfEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:38:01 +0000 (UTC) thanks Bernhard,cool site! --- Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi > > I set up http://www.frappr.com/loopers > > This is a webapp that allows locating yourself on a > map, so when traveling > you know where to find your fellow loopers! > > Add yourself! > > THX > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 22:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E2F3BEF9; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=58s/sIRqqeKudtcDjc+TT4Z2DcEvZ43oJp11GsDnFE9yG/5td2pDDf6t2UnLHG/G7sFS6Cv2BbfHbIvezTqASWi41lYv8QvXx62PFyUMPt+NGHve3wyevidzXQvsfL2aKETCQmtLd2L995Z8SP6QKVo7/YANUfsmFh34iW8sWec= ; Message-ID: <20060531224346.20225.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00da01c682ec$24267270$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) congrats to Bill& Nancy,we gonna be callin you uncle rick in the future. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > My beloved brother and guitar looper extrordinaire, > Bill Walker > is getting married to his beloved, Nancy LeVan ( > wonderful musician > in her own rite) this Sunday in Ben Lomond, > California. > > I want to publicly congratulate him and let you all > know of this > joyous occasion. > > yours, > > Rick Walker > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 22:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4847F3BEF4; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=or1oliCcSPFmu2mYo7ZPFXzXminZjCb/Eo86wugx8npip0zWolzFPIjhkQ0oe3ziaeQItX1TVEF1isr2GypqMNfe3wG8PaC/HpzDjCj7Wx57PqVLVeRqJqYpLMjszAkLLjI+x5aDzwhrMKdyd4+jpXIjzoPgN/1zH3q5hvoi4bU= ; Message-ID: <20060531225146.68741.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, Spain? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007101c684e2$103d3580$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:51:47 +0000 (UTC) hmm...never encounter that and i lived a few days in las ramblas,i found Barcelona quite harmless actually Luis --- Warren Sirota wrote: > Not relevant to looping, and you've probably heard > this - but keep your > hands on your wallet in your pocket while on Los > Ramblas (not sure about the > spelling) - pickpocketing is rampant there, to a > blatant, unbelievable > extent that I have never seen or even heard of > anywhere else (or at least > this was the case 5 years ago when I was there). And > beware of ladies > stopping to offer you flowers, while someone else > "accidentally" bumps into > you. > > Of course, you know about the standard cool things - > chief among them the > Gaudi church and park, and the Picasso museum. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Krispen Hartung > [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:28 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, > Spain? > > > > > > hewlett-packard. I'm hoping to moon light while on > the job. :) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:22 AM > > Subject: Re: Any performing loopers in Barcellona, > Spain? > > > > > > >> I'll be in Barcelona, Spain the week of July > 10th for > > work, but I was > > >> thinking of bringing my laptop looping system > and either > > my guitar or > > >> a mic. Any loopers in Barcelona? It would be > great to sit in or > > >> record with someone > > >> in person. > > > > > > Hi Kris, > > > > > > Is your work with MusicStrands? Or some other > company? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Kevin > > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 23:32:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4E13BEF9; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UyxmuLQ+J/I2hDAT35+Yl02xRUrk0hTrEeLDX8kasc2qB7G4LTgZDFaDKZYns/B+BEjLg4uU51cyXJlZZtXjQtTeTs27spPXryZZmY9ovAkSaMKm8Lot6ZaKmF6r1Wchqq28wtga3PqUSkSgTbtrHgtnrFfXxOedpAGB1rK4LCc= ; Message-ID: <20060531233214.97480.qmail@web80731.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Javaheri Subject: Re: Video-clip live-looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060531173356.46256.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-55223876-1149118334=:97187" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:32:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-55223876-1149118334=:97187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the excellent clips! Glenn p.s. is Bugge Wesseltoft Norwegian for John Malkovich?:) rune fagereng wrote: At this video at 02.20 Eivind Aarset plays with his band and the repeater. http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2006_2_16_9.33.15.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende http://www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2005_9_20_17.7.2.shtml?cat=studioconcertskommende best regards Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-55223876-1149118334=:97187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for the excellent clips!
 
Glenn
 
p.s. is Bugge Wesseltoft Norwegian for John Malkovich?:)

rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no> wrote:
At this video at 02.20 Eivind Aarset plays with his band and the repeater.
 
 
 
best regards Rune F.


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--0-55223876-1149118334=:97187-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 31 23:50:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29C263BEFE; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JkDmgAhfa2PE6BycBGh9ApynbzNTvkXUgK8ABox8thIoxqdQcWReNlfbTN3EU2RoTnos2kkPdRodCKw38vfBeOt7gQd+VW3fiE1Hgcj9WH9wT9Ly2WAOfxudymiCIvadIGIWWuAUwnyxcEFD7AGeoHOyttlhZeKA7IxRN6PhFVc= ; Message-ID: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c681a9$9ac66ff0$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <72FZaB.A.srF.XvifEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Oh Kris i hears u, this is why i wont buy into the laptop do it all hype, i am having a problem as well with a second PC i just bought,i installed windows fresh did wind update installed antivirus and transfer all my plugins and audio stuff to it.I installed a new anti virus program which is supposed to be better than norton called Avira which is also installed in my old PC and the thing is after my plugins like crazy it keep popping saying all exe, files are infected with a w32Wootbot worm then i get a message saying vschost.exe is also infected etc. no problem with my old computer everyhing runs perfect with the same programs! i hate wasting time with this shit really and i think i will avoid doing music live with computers at all! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to > troubleshoot. I think I > discovered the source of the issue, now I need some > advice....good luck. > > First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted > the drive and > reinstalled the OS. You know what? Yes, the > crackling and popping came > back! Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by > process of elimination > that the problem is either with the IO sound card or > the notebook hardware. > Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new > registry, etc, and I > completely reinstalled everything. > > It gets better....or worse, depending on how you > view it. > > As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new > computer to my old computer, > which also works perfectly....and I saw the same > message that I got when I > was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned > through my VST effects > foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST > effects, like Metaphysical > and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST > host, a window says cannot > change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to > 48000. Once the VST effects > loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the > blasted snapping and > crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!! I > am blown away. Now I > have two computers that are useless for performing, > and reinstalling the OS > won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor > and re-installing, or > any of my programs. > > What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor > doing to my system? If that > is the cause. After the windows pop up with the > samplerate message, I notice > that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even > appear as an option any > more. Amazing... > > Kris > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com