From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 04:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20EBC3BEF9; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:51:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0b9201c626b9$d21255a0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:51:26 +0000 (UTC) marshall also made a 20 watt stereo EL84 driven power amp, that also sounds excellent, I don't know if it has a fan or not but it has that lovely el84 sound and is pretty damned loud. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Stewart...that's it. Thanks. Bet it sounds like dog doodoo compared to that Boogie. ;) http://www.stewartaudio.com/halfRackSeries.html (what kind of output connectios are those?! Crimeny. That won't work) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > The Mesa Boogie 20/20 is a great amp. I don't know what it is about those > EL84 tubes, but man, I love the way they sound. My only complaint is that > the cooling fan is a little loud. > > Years ago, I remember seeing a half-rack amp in Musicians Friend. I think > the manufacturer was Stewart. Sorry, I don't remember any more details. > > Matt > > -- > www.kingnever.com > > On Tue, January 31, 2006 1:51 pm, Kris Hartung wrote: >> I'll check it out...for single spaces, I've been lusting over the Mesa >> Boogie 20/20 dynawatt amp as well. I may have to just break down and get >> a >> used on on eBay. One would be great for the new jazz setup I'm building. >> I >> still have my 1X12 ported cabs from my jazz rig four years ago, one >> loaded >> with a JBL and the other a an EV....very, very clean system. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Todd Pafford" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:42 PM >> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? >> >> >> Kris, >> >> It's not half-space, but I can recommend the Carvin DCM150. >> Single-space, 75W per channel stereo, 150W bridged mono. Sounds >> phenomenal. I love mine. I run mine through a pair of Carvin's 805 >> Club Speakers. The whole system costs about the same as a low-end >> guitar amp (just over $500) but you get full stereo and pristine sound >> quality. >> >> Just an idea, >> Todd >> >> On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >>> Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, >>> but >>> I >>> can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could be >>> a >>> decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 04:58:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06A43BF02; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:58:46 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01c626ec$2f8b3f30$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYm6yjH3Vt0Ma7RQgGvHIM8oJEZ5wAAJMRA X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 04:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Doesn't Crate make a small power amp that is getting pretty good reviews? I haven't tried/seen one yet. I found it here: http://www.crateamps.com/html/series.cfm?sid=15 Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 05:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 797D03BF05; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 05:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=krf18bj+0ET+oK48MArrEC3Xa9HjRqFzkCzd0/wGo1z7q8XCZ0TfF8X1+l9c/LCEepvX7tDyJvZT21cVLGutCwcvtYCMIvvRzbs0AHZR7u2REgigOrljQN8FHS+MaQi5S6+lbJpLshJNK7xPYpc6eUcZR2VmRlZ9Aur0Et0PuEU= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601312106x4a233135rbcb610bc6d56354d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:06:02 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay In-Reply-To: <237.60402f5.310fec51@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <237.60402f5.310fec51@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 05:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Oh, dear. Mine shipped just before that email went out. :-( The reason I couldn't go with the Edirol is that my digital board, from which I record, is coax out -- and the edirol is optical. It'll probably do just what I want, which is to record my shows off the boa= rd. btw -- we're doing another open loop on Feb 11 afternoon. Do drop by! I'll send more information as I get it. /t On 1/30/06, Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/30/06 12:07:48 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > > << > I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on order. > > > > I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: coax digital input a= nd > > > size. > > > Is this it? http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=3DMMICROTRK >> > > > Hi > The topic of portable recorders comes up time to time on the Oddmusic lis= t > also. Here is a snip of a user review for the Micro: > > < first issued. > > I just returned mine. > > 1- It cannot attenuate its mics enough for loud sources. > 2- There are serious battery problems (won't hold a full charge: Sam > Ash has accepted tons back for this reason). > 3- You need to go to their site and download a software pack to make > the controls work correctly. > 4- Actual use is cumbersome -- poor manual and illogical operation > cripple this lightweight right out of the gate. > > M-Audio actually released this unit to the public with these > tremendous flaws. Where's quality control?? and for $400? This unit, if > working, should retail for, maybe, $300 or less. > > The sound was OK. But without digital line outs and finer D/A & A/D > converters, I consider it a (non-working) toy. Maybe the newer release > solves this. I hope so. It is small and lightweight. Fix the price and > problems and it will make a good sketch pad.>> > >> > > I thought I saw that Edirol has a new portable out the R15(?) but can't > remember where I noticed it, maybe one of the NAMM pages or the MusicThi= ng > blogspot. > > regards > > BobCo > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 05:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64EC43BF02; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 05:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BOJW/NGBubLdvclNLB+xSkQ7DDAYTk+/ow6bK/2CsbJYyHyRzvGauk+t21owAKYdzbW+yF250Xetxf0x8vwHC5b/l4gj122HUkOVi0D47+LPEsrlvBG/AUlaXJ5wLonF7T1nCxr3LY0ujeVOZ4JCjTvwyvijD37VKcp93Rmlnzw= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601312136oc4ef159ob4c8faa2c08d3c44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:36:06 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digital Recorders Was: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay In-Reply-To: <20060131125234.97649.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131000446.01b17a18@TheNettles.com> <20060131125234.97649.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 05:36:08 +0000 (UTC) I have the same unit and have had the same good experience with it. On 1/31/06, Luis Angulo wrote: > Not to my experience the Marantz CDR300 is really well > made and never had one problem with it,but is time for > a laptop for me > cheers > Luis > > > > > > Yikes! Don't buy anything with the Marantz name on > > it! They have > > _terrible_ quality control problems! Your mileage > > may vary, but > > everyone I know who's bought Marantz stuff has had > > problems with it. > > > > For info on other solid-state recorders check out > > links to these blogs: > > > > NAMM: Edirol's R-09 -- SD-based, Portable USB > > Recorder > > > http://www.createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dv= iew&id=3D1130&Itemid=3D44 > > > > Which Portable Recorder to Buy? > > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&= id=3D723&Itemid=3D44 > > > > On-the-move recording: Some cheap/ugly alternatives? > > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/09/on-move-recording-some-cheapugly.h= tml > > > > These being blogs, you need to follow all the links > > and read all the > > comments but you knew that, didn't you? ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 08:25:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6923BEFF; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Myspace.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:24:57 +0100 Message-ID: <005001c62708$fd3c0ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYms1d4DreOxAczR8edR/aoYUNqxAAVYZ/A In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:25:01 +0000 (UTC) > Interesting. I can only get ten versions to play as well... > The others, simply don't load. some kind of myspace bug I presume. I have written to them but of course they won't reply. Try again on different days! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 08:33:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6E13BEF9; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c4f01c6270a$282a39d0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 01:33:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=213296, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:33:22 +0000 (UTC) That's right....I remember those. Oh, those were the days, when every single-space guitar preamp had it's partner in crime, a single space power amp. The days of modularity madness. I believe the Marshall power amp matched nicely with the Marshall JMP1 preamp? Then the Boogie 20/20 and Triaxis or formula preamps. Then the ADA MP1 preamp with the ADA Microtube 100 amp, etc, etc. In fact, I've owned three ADA MP1 classic preamps and loved them all. I've never heard a chorus that sounded as unique and rich as the MP1 chorus...something about it I can't put my finger on it. I'm about ready to purchase one of the ADA microtube power amps, any hour now. They are inexpensive, but good to get me by for now. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > marshall also made a 20 watt stereo EL84 driven power amp, that also > sounds > excellent, I don't know if it has a fan or not but it has that lovely el84 > sound and is pretty damned loud. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > > > Stewart...that's it. Thanks. Bet it sounds like dog doodoo compared to > that > Boogie. ;) > > http://www.stewartaudio.com/halfRackSeries.html (what kind of output > connectios are those?! Crimeny. That won't work) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > > >> The Mesa Boogie 20/20 is a great amp. I don't know what it is about >> those >> EL84 tubes, but man, I love the way they sound. My only complaint is >> that >> the cooling fan is a little loud. >> >> Years ago, I remember seeing a half-rack amp in Musicians Friend. I >> think >> the manufacturer was Stewart. Sorry, I don't remember any more details. >> >> Matt >> >> -- >> www.kingnever.com >> >> On Tue, January 31, 2006 1:51 pm, Kris Hartung wrote: >>> I'll check it out...for single spaces, I've been lusting over the Mesa >>> Boogie 20/20 dynawatt amp as well. I may have to just break down and get >>> a >>> used on on eBay. One would be great for the new jazz setup I'm building. >>> I >>> still have my 1X12 ported cabs from my jazz rig four years ago, one >>> loaded >>> with a JBL and the other a an EV....very, very clean system. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Todd Pafford" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? >>> >>> >>> Kris, >>> >>> It's not half-space, but I can recommend the Carvin DCM150. >>> Single-space, 75W per channel stereo, 150W bridged mono. Sounds >>> phenomenal. I love mine. I run mine through a pair of Carvin's 805 >>> Club Speakers. The whole system costs about the same as a low-end >>> guitar amp (just over $500) but you get full stereo and pristine sound >>> quality. >>> >>> Just an idea, >>> Todd >>> >>> On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >>>> Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, >>>> but >>>> I >>>> can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could >>>> be >>>> a >>>> decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 11:40:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5BE93BF00; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <43E09DF2.30702@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:39:30 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, since there was a topic on a power amp, I thought one about preamps can't be wrong :) I'm looking for a rackpreamp for guitar purposes, preferably one rack unit high. What is important for me is that it has at least one channel that stays absolutely clean, no crunch. If it has an added overdrive channel, that would ne nice but not a must-have, since I can also add distortion with my Big Muff. The only thing I know so far is the Roland GP-100 which seems to feature very nice clean sounds with it's Roland JC120 simulation and some added effects. Any other idas? Thanks, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 11:58:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018503BF05; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.44] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <0c4f01c6270a$282a39d0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 11:58:07.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[C39992A0:01C62726] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Well....another way to go could be the Acoustic Image Focus SA which is a 800w (class D)mono power amp. No, it ain't tube...but it is 1/2 rack size and only weighs 3 lbs! I use a couple of AI amps with my bass setup and they do sounds VERY nice. Not exactly cheap (but neither is the Boogie...), but paired with a nice (tube) gtr preamp it could be a killer setup (and that 3lb weight just makes your back feel...good). Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 12:07:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BF493BF13; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AJkZAL0t4EOHQAEBARgN Message-ID: <001001c62728$0e45fa40$a31b6e58@Bert> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <007c01c626ec$2f8b3f30$6500a8c0@presto> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:05:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-2, 31/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Ive always liked Line6. I've been looking for a way to power up seperate cabs, and this looks like just the ticket for me! You've answered a question that I was just about to put to the list! Thank you! -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: RE: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > Doesn't Crate make a small power amp that is getting pretty good reviews? > I haven't tried/seen one yet. > I found it here: http://www.crateamps.com/html/series.cfm?sid=15 > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com/dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 12:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9036F3BF12; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AJkZAMQ04EOHQAEBARgN Message-ID: <001f01c62729$1bc9f300$a31b6e58@Bert> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <007c01c626ec$2f8b3f30$6500a8c0@presto> <001001c62728$0e45fa40$a31b6e58@Bert> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:14:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-2, 31/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Whoops... for Line6, read Crate... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 12:54:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71BC73BF10; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:54:39 +0100 Message-Id: <359743643@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: RPGfreak@web.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland VG8 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device that can create synthetic tones but keeps the expressiveness of the guitar playing, something which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer series. - Simon ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 13:39:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 527553BF0F; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:39:37 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1B548AC0.5DE570E1.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, The VG8's a fine instrument. Some of the synth tones can be a bit same-y, but nowhere near as limited as, say, the GR300. You do get pretty much all the expressiveness you would expect from playing guitar though. Check out http://vg-8.com/wiki for more info about the various types of VG8 and the VG88, including some comparisons between them. - Tony RPGfreak@web.de wrote: >Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device that can create synthetic tones but keeps the expressiveness of the guitar playing, something which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer series. > >- Simon >______________________________________________________________ >Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! >Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 14:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6A03BF0F; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ca801c6273e$d9084010$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43E09DF2.30702@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:50:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=213353, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:50:36 +0000 (UTC) ADA MP1 Classic * - http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/preamps/ADA-MP-1-Classic.htm ADA MP2 - http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/preamps/ADA-MP-2.htm Marshall JMP1 - http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=JMP-1 Engl E530* - http://www.englampsusa.com/product.asp?E530 (German made preamp....great product, as is expected from the Germans!) Peavey Rockmaster - Can't find a URL Rocktron VooDu Valve - http://www.rocktron.com/site/products/preamps/vooduvalve/index.html Rocktron Chameleon 2000 - http://www.rocktron.com/site/products/preamps/chameleon2000/index.html Mesa Boogie TriAxis - http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Rackmount-Preamps/TriAxis/triaxis.html (apparently the crown jewel of guitar preamps, but pricey!) Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/29865 (I've always wanted to hear one of these) Roland GP-100 - http://greenoak.com/gp100/gp100.html I believe all of these are either MIDI programmable or have multi channels for clean, crunch, etc. I've used the ones with the asterices next to them. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janosch K." To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:39 AM Subject: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > Hi, > > since there was a topic on a power amp, I thought one about preamps can't > be wrong :) > I'm looking for a rackpreamp for guitar purposes, preferably one rack unit > high. What is important for me is that it has at least one channel that > stays absolutely clean, no crunch. If it has an added overdrive channel, > that would ne nice but not a must-have, since I can also add distortion > with my Big Muff. > The only thing I know so far is the Roland GP-100 which seems to feature > very nice clean sounds with it's Roland JC120 simulation and some added > effects. > > Any other idas? > > Thanks, Janosch > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 14:53:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2CDE3BF13; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a7GrAy2eim7UvP6SV0sg7JpxTdt1PweSheE+kvQYFAOLDmhvaDsbjH8wnc30DseUDD4DPWFvOgd4dx8czBwyq2ELWFuZqaxNxZRrqG7qL7PZMFaDWjqoF5+nQUwnhCJobmhrQT4xdw8ptQe54xAWg5DfnqEkYc2JT84+pgfwcMY= ; Message-ID: <20060201145307.27045.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:53:07 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1B548AC0.5DE570E1.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:53:10 +0000 (UTC) i am also intrigued by this device, never really had a chance to try it but all of that plus being able to play in open tunings seems cool,but somehow it has never attracted my attention... --- Tony Douglas wrote: > Hi there, > > The VG8's a fine instrument. Some of the synth tones > can be a bit same-y, but nowhere near as limited as, > say, the GR300. You do get pretty much all the > expressiveness you would expect from playing guitar > though. Check out http://vg-8.com/wiki for more info > about the various types of VG8 and the VG88, > including some comparisons between them. > > - Tony > > RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > > >Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device > that can create synthetic tones but keeps the > expressiveness of the guitar playing, something > which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer > series. > > > >- Simon > >______________________________________________________________ > >Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige > Bilder per SMS! > >Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: > http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those > annoying pop-ups. > Download now at > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 14:54:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9620C3BF0F; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xCD0D8bEXJfohD6Srm+RbpHa00MVEwVaQtpUn9lWvT9oGsRJ4uy6tRtYUSl0iZO7+1oYHCxphn5Zc/xCgUa1g4DttVf+2wXjMyrsdcjmNFGDxH7D50gbuCm7VyDQwvIWlLv6EFRYCAGbZTFqsz8rcxquflRfkhIjDk5EtmCJRFM= ; Message-ID: <20060201145447.52984.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:54:47 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <359743643@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-JYnZB.A.WjC.4uM4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:54:48 +0000 (UTC) what i am really curious about is the tracking and sound of the bass patches vs the GR--33,anyone? --- RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device > that can create synthetic tones but keeps the > expressiveness of the guitar playing, something > which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer > series. > > - Simon > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige > Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: > http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:03:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DA593BF17; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lFAS3QXuXQ+vD9CHQ6EtfVu27/RRNSohn/s9Nn3FzJNYqb6EA3NL15I27jtkr0tDIm/cFOo7xOCUSGsA1clfBOA2GUAh2k36bZ+ddBryyF4DT/H53fIPt06Wj+3kv3z+H1TS35GmcN9Ykk7RByTz+HqcaqQNr8FkEvfLHvuiRc0= ; Message-ID: <20060201150307.58783.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43E09DF2.30702@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:03:08 +0000 (UTC) i have the Gp100 and is great,it has all the boss efx plus more,you have dual channels and four outputs which you can send to the house P.A. and amp.The new GT-pro seem nice as well but 2 racks spaces... huh dear my back;-(( --- "Janosch K." wrote: > Hi, > > since there was a topic on a power amp, I thought > one about preamps > can't be wrong :) > I'm looking for a rackpreamp for guitar purposes, > preferably one rack > unit high. What is important for me is that it has > at least one channel > that stays absolutely clean, no crunch. If it has an > added overdrive > channel, that would ne nice but not a must-have, > since I can also add > distortion with my Big Muff. > The only thing I know so far is the Roland GP-100 > which seems to feature > very nice clean sounds with it's Roland JC120 > simulation and some added > effects. > > Any other idas? > > Thanks, Janosch > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:03:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52EE73BF13; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cbf01c62740$acff98e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:03:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=213377, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Pricey, but they look premo. Max, at Y2K5, what were those things you had mounted on stands that you were tweaking? On the topic of botique preamps/poweramps, in the jazz world a lot of guitarists swear by the hand made Walter Woods products...but they are also pricey and their is a HUGE waiting line to get one. The last I heard, he hand built them to order and you order directly from him, but the bass and guitar amps are apparently out of this world and unbelievably clean. It's sort of like the amp version of what Bob is doing with the Looperlative. Although I think Walter is more known for his bass amps. I don't think he even has a website, just a phone number. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "max valentino" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > > Well....another way to go could be the Acoustic Image Focus SA which is a > 800w (class D)mono power amp. No, it ain't tube...but it is 1/2 rack size > and only weighs 3 lbs! I use a couple of AI amps with my bass setup and > they do sounds VERY nice. Not exactly cheap (but neither is the > Boogie...), but paired with a nice (tube) gtr preamp it could be a killer > setup (and that 3lb weight just makes your back feel...good). > > Max > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847613BF19; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Roland VG8 In-Reply-To: <20060201145447.52984.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060201145447.52984.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:09:06 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Luis Angulo wrote: > what i am really curious about is the tracking and > sound of the bass patches vs the GR--33,anyone? Luis: I have a Chapman Stick and a 6-string fretless bass, both with GK pickups, a GR-30, and a Roland V-Bass. The GR-30 and GR-33 take the signal from the GK pickup, convert to MIDI, then use that MIDI information to trigger the patches. The VG-8, VG-88, and V-Bass take the signal from the GK pickup and act as a large digital modeling stompbox. There's no MIDI involved in the VG-8, so no tracking issues. I can't speak as to the relative sound of the bass patches on the GR-33 versus the VG-8, as I haven't spent much time with them, and that not recently so I honestly don't remember if I liked the GR-33 sound or not. I hope this helps. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > --- RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > >> Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device >> that can create synthetic tones but keeps the >> expressiveness of the guitar playing, something >> which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer >> series. >> >> - Simon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:16:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503193BEF3; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Oa5Sug1hQfwdPMhQeyqCnDO++T9qnuLSF1PGjdhYJYAZG2CIrde1ySroN9YjfMJPu0GtptO5BAuYNM9oZ14js6Ys8bpvYvW3H6DCdU51UQDnmMAYHcZsYEyDWDdC3ru60AayVnm8DX0NvQibfCjTFApq6Ce417KlxXZ9dc1vsa8= ; Message-ID: <20060201151629.31035.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Myspace.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005001c62708$fd3c0ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Ah, i am having the same problems,my computer crashes when i preview a song but nice to know some loopers are in there,i am there as well http://www.myspace.com/labalou lets be mates! Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > > Interesting. I can only get ten versions to play > as well... > > The others, simply don't load. > > > some kind of myspace bug I presume. I have written > to them but of course > they won't reply. > > Try again on different days! > > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:28:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D5B3BEF3; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.40] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <0cbf01c62740$acff98e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:28:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 15:28:18.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[20BAA4C0:01C62744] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:28:27 +0000 (UTC) They are nice, Kris.... At Y2K5 I was running my basses into a D-TAR Mama Bear digital acoustic guitar preamp which I had mounted on a mic stand for easy access. The Mama Bear is designed for acoustic gtrs with various type of "acoustic" pickups (piezos of either ribbon type or coaxial or cermamic, elec bridge type piezos or sound-hole magnetics). What it does is compnesates for the phase stability of these PUs, thus removing the "pickup" sound from the signal (rendereing a more acoustic tone), and then allows you to choose from 16 "target source" models (from parlor gtrs, various dreads and OM size Martin, Traugott, Taylors, Gibsons...even an '24 L5, Macaferri or National steels...). The modeling function actually adds the body resonance characteristics of these gtrs. Rather than making your guitar sound like a Martin D18, it adds some of the mic'd-acoustic characteristics of that gtr to your own sound. Of all the modelers I have tried, it is the one I really like...and even tho it is designed for acoustic gtrs, I find it works wonderfully with my acoustic electric basses. I was using the MamaBear to tweak the tone of my basses subtly; moving to diffrent target models as I looped bits. (FWIW...I run the MamaBear in another DTAR preamp ( the Solstice; a four input mixer blender) and the DTAR Equinox Parametric EQ...all excellent preamps. I prefer them even to my Demeter Tube bass preamp.... As to Walter Woods....tho' known for HIGH quality (and high dollar) bass amps, His amps are also used quite a bit by Jazz guitarists (much as the Acoustic Image amps are). They offer "audio-phile" quality (both WW and AI) sound and massive amounts of headroom (my DTAR/AI set is really a very compact but high powered PA). Woods amps will run you a couple of grand..they sometimes show up used on Ebay for not much less than new ones cost (they hold their value nicely). He has no website...just a phone # and answering machine. He bulids the amps himself (one at a time, so I have heard..) and builds his own transformers and other components! In addition to the price, the bad news is there is a long waiting list (2 years) for these. Max > >Pricey, but they look premo. Max, at Y2K5, what were those things you had >mounted on stands that you were tweaking? > >On the topic of botique preamps/poweramps, in the jazz world a lot of >guitarists swear by the hand made Walter Woods products...but they are also >pricey and their is a HUGE waiting line to get one. The last I heard, he >hand built them to order and you order directly from him, but the bass and >guitar amps are apparently out of this world and unbelievably clean. It's >sort of like the amp version of what Bob is doing with the Looperlative. >Although I think Walter is more known for his bass amps. I don't think he >even has a website, just a phone number. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:30:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4193D3BF1E; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R0z3821iDLgv9TvMe7wD9zhY9HEBGPw+tO6c0Ynt70eRJyOqYwmRnoIcUC6zleab6T1T704gXeS8pPqcaC9zuZoKAQ+dkihyDEUPBdMiri/vzrIACsQ5HumCVV4kW6gEx0U5JbMuQus7VZ+aUR8GdQ6G40s1sKIEbF7qrii+ICY= ; Message-ID: <20060201153038.78889.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:30:39 +0000 (UTC) thanx Steve the GR-33 bass sounds are great specially on tape but the tracking is still not 100%,i am having one of my guitars refited with RMC pickups which is suppose to improve this problem. cheers Luis --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > what i am really curious about is the tracking and > > sound of the bass patches vs the GR--33,anyone? > > Luis: > > I have a Chapman Stick and a 6-string fretless bass, > both with GK > pickups, a GR-30, and a Roland V-Bass. > > The GR-30 and GR-33 take the signal from the GK > pickup, convert to MIDI, > then use that MIDI information to trigger the > patches. > > The VG-8, VG-88, and V-Bass take the signal from the > GK pickup and act as > a large digital modeling stompbox. There's no MIDI > involved in the VG-8, > so no tracking issues. > > I can't speak as to the relative sound of the bass > patches on the GR-33 > versus the VG-8, as I haven't spent much time with > them, and that not > recently so I honestly don't remember if I liked the > GR-33 sound or not. > > I hope this helps. > > best, > Steve B > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > > --- RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > > > >> Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device > >> that can create synthetic tones but keeps the > >> expressiveness of the guitar playing, something > >> which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer > >> series. > >> > >> - Simon > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:31:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C01E23BF24; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:31:15 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6C76FAB1.0A4DA07E.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, The VG8 doesn't "track", like say, the GRs from the GR700 onwards. It applies processing to the sound of your strings picked up by the GK pickup. So, if you pick the string nearer the bridge, the tone produced by the VG8 changes to match, for example. This also means no 20+ms delays on the bottom string waiting for it to cycle twice to accurately determine the pitch. Playing bass patches with the VG8 is quite strange; there are no delays between picking and sound, but it doesn't quite "feel" right. You can't really play a guitar like a bass - the lightness of the strings changes things too much - so I tend to play a short scale bass I've got to remind my fingers what a bass feels like to play, so that I play bass, not just downtuned guitar. I suppose it's like trying to cover an absent bass player by playing your guitar through an octaver/octivider. (Damn, typing about "feel" of instruments is weird.) There are some nice bass sounds on the stock VG8EX - a nice clanky Rickenbacker and a nice fat distorted bass, plus the predictable squelchy synth basses (most of which have the filter opened or closed depending on picking strength, which is quite fun to play). There are also lots of good patches at the VG8 wiki I mentioned in another post (http://vg-8.com/wiki). Hope that helps, - Tony Luis Angulo wrote: >what i am really curious about is the tracking and >sound of the bass patches vs the GR--33,anyone? > >--- RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > >> Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device >> that can create synthetic tones but keeps the >> expressiveness of the guitar playing, something >> which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer >> series. >> >> - Simon >> >______________________________________________________________ >> Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige >> Bilder per SMS! >> Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: >> http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 >> >> > > >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:37:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446023BF23; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:37:12 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5CA5A5B2.4F44E2B4.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Be mindful that there's only so much you can do with pitch extraction from a vibrating string - you still need to wait for the string to vibrate (usually go through two cycles) so you can get an accurate fix. A smart person explained all this to me many moons ago, and he'd calculated that for an open low E on a guitar you were looking at something between 20 - 30 ms, simply due to the period of the string's vibration. One of these days I'll find the article he was trying to refer me to. - Tony Luis Angulo wrote: >thanx Steve the GR-33 bass sounds are great specially >on tape but the tracking is still not 100%,i am having >one of my guitars refited with RMC pickups which is >suppose to improve this problem. >cheers >Luis > >--- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Luis Angulo wrote: >> >> > what i am really curious about is the tracking and >> > sound of the bass patches vs the GR--33,anyone? >> >> Luis: >> >> I have a Chapman Stick and a 6-string fretless bass, >> both with GK >> pickups, a GR-30, and a Roland V-Bass. >> >> The GR-30 and GR-33 take the signal from the GK >> pickup, convert to MIDI, >> then use that MIDI information to trigger the >> patches. >> >> The VG-8, VG-88, and V-Bass take the signal from the >> GK pickup and act as >> a large digital modeling stompbox. There's no MIDI >> involved in the VG-8, >> so no tracking issues. >> >> I can't speak as to the relative sound of the bass >> patches on the GR-33 >> versus the VG-8, as I haven't spent much time with >> them, and that not >> recently so I honestly don't remember if I liked the >> GR-33 sound or not. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> best, >> Steve B >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html >> >> > --- RPGfreak@web.de wrote: >> > >> >> Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device >> >> that can create synthetic tones but keeps the >> >> expressiveness of the guitar playing, something >> >> which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer >> >> series. >> >> >> >> - Simon >> >> > > >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:43:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C4653BF29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Di2WGkxfI7K1PTKHPE4YpKOhYxXA9Jp4smoE7wO1vkTdRcHWy6/55KFodGI5RT1w5f8WwJd0j4rj5S/S50ACqfxVKy/EkaNyBjP/HAm62JNu94OvmQb3TReR7YWJTjcvEesicevE62ndoBLXQBN1lsW3qfZDOyuZjU7klPS+flo= ; Message-ID: <20060201154329.30561.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: semi OT: rack preamps, layperson feedback on music, zoom g2: 3rd impression To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060131140450.C472F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1754135680-1138808609=:29847" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:43:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1754135680-1138808609=:29847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit for a rack preamp i use: peavey tj raxx-one space rack unit w/ 2 tubes. i think its from the early 90's, but i love the sound, all knobs, no menus. i have it out currently, b/c i want to get new tubes put in & other things keep popping up beforehand.... funny thing happened when i was getting bids for new kitchen/bath floor and had music on in the background: 1. had a cd of andre's music from his website playing (material that led up to 'normalized' i think)-older lady who was giving me a bid said: "sounds like something is wrong w/ your music, sounds like a broken record." 2. younger guy measuring and all, asked what i had on b/c he said it sounded real good. i was playing roy buchanan's 20century masters greatest hits cd. 3. once when i was playing some of d. torn's splattercell and my brother heard it, he said it sounded like noise. (should note that when he's heard some of my music when i'm listening back, he says it sounds like atonal noise). also note: splattercell used to put my oldest to sleep when he was 1ish for naps. 4.a friend awhile back saw my video program on local public access tv and he said he watched it (me looping w/ my guitar), he said he understood i was using samplers and stuff (i'm pushing a lot of buttons trying to make something interesting), and he said he wishes i would have talked more and explained what i was doing more.... zoom g2-after my lukewarm 2nd impression and a few days away from it, i put it back in my chain, and am more happy w/ it, i've made a commitment to myself this year to stop whining about my gear (after my recent ebay encounter). its a very usable inexpensive tool. and i've been having fun using it to process samples using a cd of another local "beats-driven music guy". kind of fun. also have enjoyed using 5 sec delay w/ clean sounds for texture stuff..... s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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for a rack preamp i use:
peavey tj raxx-one space rack unit w/ 2 tubes. i think its from the early 90's, but i love the sound, all knobs, no menus. i have it out currently, b/c i want to get new tubes put in & other things keep popping up beforehand....
 
funny thing happened when i was getting bids for new kitchen/bath floor and had music on in the background:
1. had a cd of andre's music from his website playing (material that led up to 'normalized' i think)-older lady who was giving me a bid said: "sounds like something is wrong w/ your music, sounds like a broken record."
2. younger guy measuring and all, asked what i had on b/c he said it sounded real good. i was playing roy buchanan's 20century masters greatest hits cd.
3. once when i was playing some of d. torn's splattercell and my brother heard it, he said it sounded like noise. (should note that when he's heard some of my music when i'm listening back, he says it sounds like atonal noise). also note: splattercell  used to put my oldest to sleep when he was 1ish for naps.
4.a friend awhile back saw my video program on local public access tv and he said he watched it (me looping w/ my guitar), he said he understood i was using samplers and stuff (i'm pushing a lot of buttons trying to make something interesting), and he said he wishes i would have talked more and explained what i was doing more....
 
zoom g2-after my lukewarm 2nd impression and a few days away from it, i put it back in my chain, and am more happy w/ it, i've made a commitment to myself this year to stop whining about my gear (after my recent ebay encounter). its a very usable inexpensive tool. and i've been having fun using it to process samples using a cd of another local "beats-driven music guy". kind of fun. also have enjoyed using 5 sec delay w/ clean sounds for texture stuff.....
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With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1754135680-1138808609=:29847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7051C3BF12; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d4401c62746$6062a7b0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:44:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=224090, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-yvyPB.A.1BE.bdN4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:27 +0000 (UTC) I can't resist, Max. So, you think the Mama Bear unit is juuuuust right? (not too cold or hot...Not too hard or soft) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "max valentino" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > They are nice, Kris.... > At Y2K5 I was running my basses into a D-TAR Mama Bear digital acoustic > guitar preamp which I had mounted on a mic stand for easy access. The > Mama Bear is designed for acoustic gtrs with various type of "acoustic" > pickups (piezos of either ribbon type or coaxial or cermamic, elec bridge > type piezos or sound-hole magnetics). What it does is compnesates for the > phase stability of these PUs, thus removing the "pickup" sound from the > signal (rendereing a more acoustic tone), and then allows you to choose > from 16 "target source" models (from parlor gtrs, various dreads and OM > size Martin, Traugott, Taylors, Gibsons...even an '24 L5, Macaferri or > National steels...). The modeling function actually adds the body > resonance characteristics of these gtrs. Rather than making your guitar > sound like a Martin D18, it adds some of the mic'd-acoustic > characteristics of that gtr to your own sound. Of all the modelers I have > tried, it is the one I really like...and even tho it is designed for > acoustic gtrs, I find it works wonderfully with my acoustic electric > basses. I was using the MamaBear to tweak the tone of my basses subtly; > moving to diffrent target models as I looped bits. > (FWIW...I run the MamaBear in another DTAR preamp ( the Solstice; a four > input mixer blender) and the DTAR Equinox Parametric EQ...all excellent > preamps. I prefer them even to my Demeter Tube bass preamp.... > > As to Walter Woods....tho' known for HIGH quality (and high dollar) bass > amps, His amps are also used quite a bit by Jazz guitarists (much as the > Acoustic Image amps are). They offer "audio-phile" quality (both WW and > AI) sound and massive amounts of headroom (my DTAR/AI set is really a very > compact but high powered PA). Woods amps will run you a couple of > grand..they sometimes show up used on Ebay for not much less than new ones > cost (they hold their value nicely). He has no website...just a phone # > and answering machine. He bulids the amps himself (one at a time, so I > have heard..) and builds his own transformers and other components! In > addition to the price, the bad news is there is a long waiting list (2 > years) for these. > > Max > > > >> >>Pricey, but they look premo. Max, at Y2K5, what were those things you had >>mounted on stands that you were tweaking? >> >>On the topic of botique preamps/poweramps, in the jazz world a lot of >>guitarists swear by the hand made Walter Woods products...but they are >>also pricey and their is a HUGE waiting line to get one. The last I heard, >>he hand built them to order and you order directly from him, but the bass >>and guitar amps are apparently out of this world and unbelievably clean. >>It's sort of like the amp version of what Bob is doing with the >>Looperlative. Although I think Walter is more known for his bass amps. I >>don't think he even has a website, just a phone number. >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 15:52:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00C5C3BF16; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: mmccabe@finleysound.com via o13.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.048876 secs) Message-ID: <1146.134.186.144.178.1138809176.squirrel@www.finleysound.com> In-Reply-To: <0ca801c6273e$d9084010$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <43E09DF2.30702@gmx.net> <0ca801c6273e$d9084010$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:52:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) From: mmccabe@finleysound.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:52:56 +0000 (UTC) I'll add the Voodoo Lab Guiter Preamp (www.voodoolab.com) to that list. I'm hopefully picking one up in a couple of weeks so I'll report back. I owned a Rocktron VooDu Valve for a while. Loved the flange effect, but the preamp section sounded a little thin and brittle. The old Digitech GSP series (2101 - 2120) preamps sound better IMO. Matt --- www.kingnever.com On Wed, February 1, 2006 6:50 am, Kris Hartung wrote: > ADA MP1 Classic * - > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/preamps/ADA-MP-1-Classic.htm > ADA MP2 - http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/preamps/ADA-MP-2.htm > Marshall JMP1 - http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=JMP-1 > Engl E530* - http://www.englampsusa.com/product.asp?E530 (German made > preamp....great product, as is expected from the Germans!) > Peavey Rockmaster - Can't find a URL > Rocktron VooDu Valve - > http://www.rocktron.com/site/products/preamps/vooduvalve/index.html > Rocktron Chameleon 2000 - > http://www.rocktron.com/site/products/preamps/chameleon2000/index.html > Mesa Boogie TriAxis - > http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Rackmount-Preamps/TriAxis/triaxis.html > (apparently the crown jewel of guitar preamps, but pricey!) > Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - > http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/29865 > (I've always wanted to hear one of these) > Roland GP-100 - http://greenoak.com/gp100/gp100.html > > I believe all of these are either MIDI programmable or have multi channels > for clean, crunch, etc. I've used the ones with the asterices next to > them. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janosch K." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:39 AM > Subject: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > >> Hi, >> >> since there was a topic on a power amp, I thought one about preamps >> can't >> be wrong :) >> I'm looking for a rackpreamp for guitar purposes, preferably one rack >> unit >> high. What is important for me is that it has at least one channel that >> stays absolutely clean, no crunch. If it has an added overdrive channel, >> that would ne nice but not a must-have, since I can also add distortion >> with my Big Muff. >> The only thing I know so far is the Roland GP-100 which seems to feature >> very nice clean sounds with it's Roland JC120 simulation and some added >> effects. >> >> Any other idas? >> >> Thanks, Janosch >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 16:12:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75D983BF0B; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:12:13 +0000 Message-Id: <020120061612.1297.43E0DDDD000CBFA00000051121979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:12:16 +0000 (UTC) > Hi there, > > Playing bass patches with the VG8 is quite strange; there are no delays between > picking and sound, but it doesn't quite "feel" right. There is a little bit of delay on the VG8 when you are using the pitch shifter. Because a pitch shifter works by recording sound into memory and then playing it out at a different speed, the playback pointer has to be a little bit behind the record pointer to keep it from catching up. This delay is noticeable, but is not nearly as bad as that on a guitar synth like my GR-50. For instantaneous-feeling bass sounds, I use a Danelectro Chili Dog octave pedal. It's kind of amazing that this little $40 pedal can do a bass better than the VG-8, but it's true! >You can't really play a > guitar like a bass - the lightness of the strings changes things too much - so I > tend to play a short scale bass I've got to remind my fingers what a bass feels > like to play, so that I play bass, not just downtuned guitar. I suppose it's > like trying to cover an absent bass player by playing your guitar through an > octaver/octivider. (Damn, typing about "feel" of instruments is weird.) > Hope that helps, > > - Tony > > Luis Angulo wrote: But I like the VG-8, and it's great for looping. I have done a few solo performances with the VG-8 and an Echoplex...you can do some very cool stuff. One tune I did was "The Dance of Maya" by the Mahavishnu Orchestra. I would lay down the main riff, like in the mp3 on my VG-8 page: Then loop that and play the melody over it. At the end where the boogie- woogie riff gets combined with the main riff, you can use "Multiply". I also did a virtual country band by laying down bass, guitar, banjo, and pedal steel. I need to make a recording of that, it's pretty cool. Anyway, if you get one, there are some patches on my page you can try out. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 16:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FEC83BF17; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201081332.01b9f590@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:17:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Roland VG8 In-Reply-To: <20060201133941.EB0463BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060201133941.EB0463BF15@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:17:53 +0000 (UTC) >From: RPGfreak@web.de >Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device that can create >synthetic tones but keeps the expressiveness of the guitar playing, >something which I missed when trying Roland GR synthesizer series. The only thing I have to add to the discussion is that if you do a lot of altered tunings and you tour, then you may want to check this bad boy out. It will save you making the choice of bringing a lot of guitars with you or having your audience watch you tune for half of your set. The only caveat I have is make sure that you're happy with the tones available. They all sound a little "synthy" to my ears, kind of like what comes out of a BOSS PS-5 Super Shifter. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 16:49:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 085043BF0B; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1138812560!39312015!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D77@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: midi'd bass (was Roland VG8) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:49:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6274F.70A0E4D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:49:22 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6274F.70A0E4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Be mindful that there's only so much you can do with pitch extraction from a vibrating string.......A smart person explained all this to me many moons ago, and he'd calculated that for an open low E on a guitar you were looking at something between 20 - 30 ms, simply due to the period of the string's vibration. One of these days I'll find the article he was trying to refer me to.<< tony, all- I wonder if you're thinking of one of the interviews with steve chick, who developed what became peavey's midibase (sic), later cyberbass. I have one of these.... interesting.... instruments. steve figured out the midi tracking problem (he is a proper physicist) & elected to deal with it by splitting each of the bass's frets into four discreet segments, thus allowing the strings & the frets to act as a switch matrix. took the idea to valley arts & also licensed it to WAL. later (post-valley-arts) developments to this basic approach included pickups in the bridge saddles to measure the dynamics (& which would be processed into midi velocity or w.h.y.) & strain gauges for each string to allow pitch-bend (again, which could be turned into something else once in midi-land). well.... I'd loved to have got hold of one of the valley-arts retrofit systems to put onto a better bass. a couple of my 70s precisions could use new fingerboards anyway..... there were systems fitted to WAL basses too, but eventually the licensing deal went to hartley & co. most of the web reviews complain about the standard of the bass, whilst praising the basic idea & wondering where it all went wrong for this technique. probably not enough demand for being able to play the flute using a bass guitar, I'd say. my own experience, fwiw, is that while the bass is nice enough to play, it is essentially characterless. I have any number of vintage fenders, rickenbackers & ibanez so I'm a bit spoiled in that regard; I'm used to the bass having a nice voice of it's own. but when it comes to driving midi gear using the peavey.... it's pretty good. I have used roland systems on strats & on a fender VI with mixed results.. the peavey lets you play stuff without any tracking delays, for sure, & you get the responsiveness of a "real" instrument with anything you care to patch it into. this in itself takes some getting used to, after always playing ahead of the beat on the roland system. in that sense it's more like the line6 variax. BUT you have to keep the frets & the strings extremely clean. the operation of the various setup & performance menus is weird, to say the least, because it's all been crammed into the bass; it occupies a four-digit LED display in the upper bout, selections being made using a small two-way toggle switch & the string/fret switching. I keep a bag of the appropriately named "goddard's silver dip" cloths in the case for wipedown purposes. I have extracted some fun from the instrument using it to trigger guitar figures (pre-programmed arpeggios) while I muck about with a walking bassline which is itself driving a stand-up bass sample. but I couldn't see myself using it to play, say, a french horn part or to replace any aspect of my iffy keyboard chops. the novelty wore off very quickly. & on stage? risky. I'm going to see if flatwounds improve matters before I try it out. ymmv, as they say in small print at the end of car adverts. so for my money, I'm better off with a nice selection of "normal" basses & some interesting stompboxes (like the alesis bass-fx). I like the variax bass too, & could be springing for one of them soon. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6274F.70A0E4D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: midi'd bass (was Roland VG8)

>>Be mindful that there's only so much you can = do with pitch extraction from a vibrating string.......A smart person = explained all this to me many moons ago, and he'd calculated that for = an open low E on a guitar you were looking at something between 20 - 30 = ms, simply due to the period of the string's vibration. One of these = days I'll find the article he was trying to refer me = to.<<

tony, all- I wonder if you're thinking of one of the = interviews with steve chick, who developed what became peavey's = midibase (sic), later cyberbass.

I have one of these.... interesting.... instruments. = steve figured out the midi tracking problem (he is a proper physicist) = & elected to deal with it by splitting each of the bass's frets = into four discreet segments, thus allowing the strings & the frets = to act as a switch matrix. took the idea to valley arts & also = licensed it to WAL.

later (post-valley-arts) developments to this basic = approach included pickups in the bridge saddles to measure the dynamics = (& which would be processed into midi velocity or w.h.y.) & = strain gauges for each string to allow pitch-bend (again, which could = be turned into something else once in midi-land).

well.... I'd loved to have got hold of one of the = valley-arts retrofit systems to put onto a better bass. a couple of my = 70s precisions could use new fingerboards anyway..... there were = systems fitted to WAL basses too, but eventually the licensing deal = went to hartley & co.

most of the web reviews complain about the standard = of the bass, whilst praising the basic idea & wondering where it = all went wrong for this technique. probably not enough demand for being = able to play the flute using a bass guitar, I'd say.

my own experience, fwiw, is that while the bass is = nice enough to play, it is essentially characterless. I have any number = of vintage fenders, rickenbackers & ibanez so I'm a bit spoiled in = that regard; I'm used to the bass having a nice voice of it's own. =

but when it comes to driving midi gear using the = peavey.... it's pretty good. I have used roland systems on strats & = on a fender VI with mixed results.. the peavey lets you play stuff = without any tracking delays, for sure, & you get the responsiveness = of a "real" instrument with anything you care to patch it = into. this in itself takes some getting used to, after always playing = ahead of the beat on the roland system. in that sense it's more like = the line6 variax.

BUT you have to keep the frets & the strings = extremely clean. the operation of the various setup & performance = menus is weird, to say the least, because it's all been crammed into = the bass; it occupies a four-digit LED display in the upper bout, = selections being made using a small two-way toggle switch & the = string/fret switching. I keep a bag of the appropriately named = "goddard's silver dip" cloths in the case for wipedown = purposes.

I have extracted some fun from the instrument using = it to trigger guitar figures (pre-programmed arpeggios) while I muck = about with a walking bassline which is itself driving a stand-up bass = sample. but I couldn't see myself using it to play, say, a french horn = part or to replace any aspect of my iffy keyboard chops. the novelty = wore off very quickly. & on stage? risky. I'm going to see if = flatwounds improve matters before I try it out.

ymmv, as they say in small print at the end of car = adverts.

so for my money, I'm better off with a nice selection = of "normal" basses & some interesting stompboxes (like = the alesis bass-fx). I like the variax bass too, & could be = springing for one of them soon.

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6274F.70A0E4D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 16:51:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09DE13BF0A; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:50:56 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <139CAB86.5D1ED5F8.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: [ snippety ] >There is a little bit of delay on the VG8 when you are using the pitch >shifter. Because a pitch shifter works by recording sound into memory >and then playing it out at a different speed, the playback pointer has to >be a little bit behind the record pointer to keep it from catching >up. This delay is noticeable, but is not nearly as bad as that on a guitar >synth like my GR-50. > You're absolutely right. There is a delay, imposed by the pitch shifter rather than any tracking mechanism. It's nowhere near as bad as some rack gear pitch shift settings though (the Lexicon MPX-100 & Sony HR-MP5 being cases in point - even the cheapo Zoom 1201 does a better job than either of those). The other thing to watch with the pitch shifting is that ISTR a discussion on vg-8.com of the presence of artifacts of the original sound along with the shifted sound, even if the balance was set to 100% shifted. I've never really noticed this myself, but I don't play altered tunings too much (although I have the obligatory Fripp NST Les Paul & acoustic patches set up :) If altered tunings are your bag, you may want to check this thoroughly with a set of headphones though. And obviously if you start with your GK attached to an acoustic, altered tuning patches on the VG8 may lead to some ... unusual harmonies :) After all this bashing of the pitch shifter, I have to admit I did appreciate the automatic tuning compensation the VG8 can do, though ! - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 16:58:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FACC3BF13; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:51 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: midi'd bass (was Roland VG8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <646471A5.34387E62.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: [ snips ] I'm not sure, but I think the article was a review of the Roland GM70/GK1 combination. I'm going to have an on- and off-line rake tonight to see if I can find out more. All interesting stuff in your post though - I haven't bumped into the Midibase/Cyberbass anywhere. Did Yamaha try something similar to this with the G10 ? Pitch extraction on a guitar is bad enough, but I shudder to think how it would work with a bass ... - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 17:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA5323BF0C; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:12:50 +0000 Message-Id: <020120061712.21819.43E0EC120002F9790000553B21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:12:54 +0000 (UTC) > Hi there, > > You're absolutely right. There is a delay, imposed by the pitch shifter rather > than any tracking mechanism. It's nowhere near as bad as some rack gear pitch > shift settings though (the Lexicon MPX-100 & Sony HR-MP5 being cases in point - > even the cheapo Zoom 1201 does a better job than either of those). I'm not sure about this, but my theory is that the VG-8's pitch shifter works by adjusting itself to the frequency of the note you are playing. A lot of pitch shifters (like the one on my old GP-16) have a weird warble that continues all the way through the note. On certain notes it goes away. So I think on the VG-8 they are tracking the pitch of the guitar string and then adjusting the pitch shifter to match. A lot of time there is a kind of warble on the attacks of the notes that sounds like the older pitch shifters. Maybe this is the time when the pitch tracker has not yet figured out the note and so has not yet adjusted the pitch shifter. > The other thing to watch with the pitch shifting is that ISTR a discussion on > vg-8.com of the presence of artifacts of the original sound along with the > shifted sound, even if the balance was set to 100% shifted. I've never really > noticed this myself, but I don't play altered tunings too much (although I have > the obligatory Fripp NST Les Paul & acoustic patches set up :) I've never had that exact problem, but maybe they were experiencing another thing and misinterpreting it. Having the pitch shifter on can cause weird effects when sympathetic vibrations happen between strings. Like if you play a high E and the low E string starts to vibrate on the harmonic two octaves above its fundamental. Normally this is not that noticeable because the two notes are related. But if you have the pitch shifter set for drop D tuning, then this sympathetic vibration will come out of the VG-8 shifted to the D a step below the open high E string. This can be very disconcerting! Also, if you are using a hollowbody guitar (I've used it with my GK-2a-equipped Washburn J6 jazz guitar) then the acoustic string sound is very audible and annoying when you are trying to do an alternate tuning. >If altered > tunings are your bag, you may want to check this thoroughly with a set of > headphones though. And obviously if you start with your GK attached to an > acoustic, altered tuning patches on the VG8 may lead to some ... unusual > harmonies :) > > After all this bashing of the pitch shifter, I have to admit I did appreciate > the automatic tuning compensation the VG8 can do, though ! > > - Tony Yeah, I've had loads of fun with the pitch shifter, especially combining it with the hex fuzz to make closely-voiced chords that sound like Brian May overdubs. Or using it to shift one string up and down an octave for jazz block chords. Or shifting certain strings around in response to a pedal, like on the preset pedal steel sounds. Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 17:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 858883BF06; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680A@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:34:13 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark and everyone, related to the last part of your post. Anybody knows of other effects processors emulating pedal steel sounds besides the vg8? Very best, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Enviado el: Miercoles, 01 de Febrero de 2006 02:13 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Roland VG8 Or shifting certain strings around in response to a pedal, like on the preset pedal steel sounds. Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 17:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FCDE3BF0D; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5984229A-9349-11DA-A222-0050E4C0AA3D@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Skypilot Subject: Mesa Boogie V twin Rack Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:37:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1S9sUC.A.XGH.9GP4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Very nice and versatile. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 17:43:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C87C3BF18; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:43:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1146.134.186.144.178.1138809176.squirrel@www.finleysound.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Vox tone lab table top, though not a rack mount, it could fit a rack tray , and is my MHO the best modeler/ tube device going. or get the floor model and change your life. Grteat Faux pedal steel pitch bend capability as well. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mmccabe@finleysound.com [mailto:mmccabe@finleysound.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) I'll add the Voodoo Lab Guiter Preamp (www.voodoolab.com) to that list. I'm hopefully picking one up in a couple of weeks so I'll report back. I owned a Rocktron VooDu Valve for a while. Loved the flange effect, but the preamp section sounded a little thin and brittle. The old Digitech GSP series (2101 - 2120) preamps sound better IMO. Matt --- www.kingnever.com On Wed, February 1, 2006 6:50 am, Kris Hartung wrote: > ADA MP1 Classic * - > http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/preamps/ADA-MP-1-Classic.htm > ADA MP2 - http://www.adadepot.com/adagear/gearpages/preamps/ADA-MP-2.htm > Marshall JMP1 - http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=JMP-1 > Engl E530* - http://www.englampsusa.com/product.asp?E530 (German made > preamp....great product, as is expected from the Germans!) > Peavey Rockmaster - Can't find a URL > Rocktron VooDu Valve - > http://www.rocktron.com/site/products/preamps/vooduvalve/index.html > Rocktron Chameleon 2000 - > http://www.rocktron.com/site/products/preamps/chameleon2000/index.html > Mesa Boogie TriAxis - > http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Rackmount-Preamps/TriAxis/triaxis.htm l > (apparently the crown jewel of guitar preamps, but pricey!) > Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - > http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/298 65 > (I've always wanted to hear one of these) > Roland GP-100 - http://greenoak.com/gp100/gp100.html > > I believe all of these are either MIDI programmable or have multi channels > for clean, crunch, etc. I've used the ones with the asterices next to > them. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janosch K." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:39 AM > Subject: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > >> Hi, >> >> since there was a topic on a power amp, I thought one about preamps >> can't >> be wrong :) >> I'm looking for a rackpreamp for guitar purposes, preferably one rack >> unit >> high. What is important for me is that it has at least one channel that >> stays absolutely clean, no crunch. If it has an added overdrive channel, >> that would ne nice but not a must-have, since I can also add distortion >> with my Big Muff. >> The only thing I know so far is the Roland GP-100 which seems to feature >> very nice clean sounds with it's Roland JC120 simulation and some added >> effects. >> >> Any other idas? >> >> Thanks, Janosch >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 17:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5B213BF0F; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060201125736.embgfoao188w0484@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:57:36 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <7oKBUC.A.yrH.RaP4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:57:37 +0000 (UTC) isn't as accepted... http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 18:40:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CCBD3BF12; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E7/dwGrekL1UuQAIHU9AIU2uokT6N2vwJVEb8muhmr+2gwhZk09lyhC5vGLp7bSWu9SG8L/c9b0Ppug4EWJY8lRXY7NcaMjLEMUsfEOVC0cbMyZEifeKMeTTCYfAA9eF3YSfQK6jrN+KnG0lRGEUlw4A777CgmJjR8Qj5/S7bPI= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602011040q2eb67783k8a89a6f440d80f08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:40:13 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131001924.01bcfec0@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060131001924.01bcfec0@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Reverse engineering software is often harder than writing it from scratch -- unlike hardware, where you can see everything, you only get to see the compiled result in software, where a lot of the explanation has been thrown away. On 1/31/06, Kevin wrote: > > >From: Tom Ritchford > >As I said, if Behringer copied the Looperlative's software, it would > >be a copyright violation. There isn't much preventing them from > >copying the hardware except conceivably patents. > > There's not much preventing Behringer from copying the necessary > subset of ideas in the Looperlative software, Tom. Behringer doesn't > have to copy the software bit-by-bit. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 18:49:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1288E3BF13; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060201015301.0b095b68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:52:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digest size In-Reply-To: <24228048.1138719366263.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <24228048.1138719366263.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:49:31 +0000 (UTC) At 06:56 AM 1/31/2006, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >Thanks for your quick and helpful reply, Kim. >How do I go about making this change? >(No, it's not as common as someone just e-mailing "unsubscribe" to the >entire group (LOL) >;-) ;-) ;-) From pretty much every single one of the hundreds of thousands of pages on the Looper's Delight web site you will find this link for the Looper's Delight Mailing List Info: http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html If you follow it, you will find your way to the digest. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 18:53:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716D03BF08; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060201012316.043cdaa0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:56:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Patent law In-Reply-To: <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> References: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) At 06:05 AM 1/31/2006, Warren Sirota wrote: >Wow, do I feel dumb. That thing is like Greek to me. I guess it must be some >combination of the requirements of the patent application and the desire to >be as broad as possible in the claims that makes these things so hard to >read. Part of the problem is the original patent was in French, and what is on the USPTO site is a translated version. The abstract in particular is not translated to English very well. (However, it is still maybe a little easier for me to understand than the French version, which is what I first saw when it came out! :-) >If I were to just read the abstract, I would guess that this is about >"manually"-controlled "scratching" or "scrubbing" of audio buffers for >playback, like you would have with a digital turntablist. But the body of >the application seems to touch on so many areas that it casts my >interpretation of the abstract into doubt. No, it is a patent of a real-time multi-track looper using parallel loop tracks. Among the claims are loop synchronization methods, with the loops in specific ratios to each other to ensure synchronization. (like gears). It doesn't have much or anything to do with DJ scratching or pitch/time shifting algorithms. There are a lot of details in the claims in the patent, which are more clear to understand than the abstract. It really is quite an innovative invention, and way ahead of its time for when the patent was filed. Emmanuel is really one of the star innovators of the looping world, and deserves more credit for what he has created. If you want a clearer example of the patent, all you have to do is check out Emmanuel's brilliant DJRND3! This is the embodiment of Emmanuel's patent. The DJRND2 and DJRND3 were incredible innovations for looping, and still are. http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html Here you guys are getting all excited about 3, 4, and 8 track loopers as if it is something new, while for years now you have had available the DJRND3 with 21 stereo tracks, 8 loop banks, midi in/out, 512MB ram, tap tempo, tons of user controls, and even an internal hard disk! Have any of you checked out DJRND3? I've always thought this was one of the most amazing looping products out there, and I'm surprised I don't hear more about it on the LD list. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 18:56:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C69173BF1A; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04b401c62761$2f13de20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <005001c62708$fd3c0ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:56:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 18:56:13.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C8D5A50:01C62761] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Very, very interesting ambient music. I definitively like your songs, Michael ! Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ PS. "your space" works with me. I can hear all the 4 songs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Myspace.com >> Interesting. I can only get ten versions to play as well... >> The others, simply don't load. > > > some kind of myspace bug I presume. I have written to them but of course > they won't reply. > > Try again on different days! > > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date: > 31/01/2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 19:58:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705173BF0A; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Patent law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:57:51 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C017F14@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Patent law thread-index: AcYnYMlMJCVuSBI0SCCAh8AGrZlDPgACEDMA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:58:04 +0000 (UTC) It is indeed an impressive device, and I have no problem with a patent on this particular design. But I think it is a stretch to assume this covers the mere concept of "stereo parallel loops of different lengths". He may have been one of the first to build a device that implemented that concept for digital audio, and the fixed ratio user interface is novel, but the concept has been around for a long time. I don't see how any currently available multi-track looper, hardware or software, infringes on this patent. They are not even remotely similar in architecture or user interface. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 21:18:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 737463BF05; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PtGFGo0pDkcWSUugE3B4PLzAhwnfQPs3gAaO4IF4ZjBTKOJSuw1MtRYuqqBVs6EzzbvyHkcD/vJhHEuSr8uqovN2wOboAmGwD7oN8DICCiPG40YhV+S19oSo5FOTBxXUAFJSoCy1F1hlDevhXU+drbuzEd0Cdqc29/4VGvN88FI= ; Message-ID: <20060201211802.22367.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201081332.01b9f590@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:18:16 +0000 (UTC) After years of fooling around with guitar synths, I finally said "why am I trying to get my guitar to be a keyboard?" Within a few weeks I was better at pulling off leads on my keyboard then I was on the guitar synth. Get one with aftertouch as it's a better way of simulating the kind of thing you can do with a string on a guitar. I like the Novation Remote series. There is no delay and you can get any synth tone imaginable. Trust me, it's worth it. --- Kevin wrote: > > >From: RPGfreak@web.de > >Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device > that can create > >synthetic tones but keeps the expressiveness of the > guitar playing, > >something which I missed when trying Roland GR > synthesizer series. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 21:36:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30C813BF11; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Roland VG8 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:36:20 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003601c62777$8aba8970$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYndQSwee1XXA4BSQuC9N+ZmZKKrQAAddXg In-Reply-To: <20060201211802.22367.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0wSBtC.A.cKH.XnS4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Well said, mark! I never really understood what guitarists where trying = to do or say or be with their guitar synths, but perhaps that's because I'm originally a keyboard player (well, I really can't play guitar at all, although I own two electrics and an acoustic and even a Yamaha guitalele (which is a funny thing), and even more bass guitars), but yeah, the = idea might have been a "I want a keyboard sound, but without losing the expressiveness of the guitar playing", just as Kevin said...but the way = to great synth tones are synths, and the best way to control them isn't a guitar equipped with some strange interface. =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2006 22:18 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Roland VG8 >=20 > After years of fooling around with guitar synths, I finally=20 > said "why am I trying to get my guitar to be a keyboard?" =20 > Within a few weeks I was better at pulling off leads on my=20 > keyboard then I was on the guitar synth. Get one with=20 > aftertouch as it's a better way of simulating the kind of=20 > thing you can do with a string on a guitar. I like the=20 > Novation Remote series. There is no delay and you can get=20 > any synth tone imaginable. Trust me, it's worth it. >=20 > --- Kevin wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > >From: RPGfreak@web.de > > >Anyone know this VG8? I'm interested in a device > > that can create > > >synthetic tones but keeps the expressiveness of the > > guitar playing, > > >something which I missed when trying Roland GR > > synthesizer series. >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection=20 > around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 21:45:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2AE83BF10; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003601c62777$8aba8970$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <003601c62777$8aba8970$0601a8c0@succubus> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:45:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1265/Wed Feb 1 11:08:45 2006 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <3pWB2.A.rbH.rvS4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:45:15 +0000 (UTC) At 10:36 PM +0100 2/1/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >but the way to >great synth tones are synths, and the best way to control them isn't a >guitar equipped with some strange interface. You're probably right. The best way to control them is with knobs and patch cords and touch plates. The black and white keyboard is just another strange interface. See: http://www.buchla.com -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 22:15:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AEC43BF13; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:15:24 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <775E4014.58EAAA6E.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.76.70.110 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:15:32 +0000 (UTC) I find this a very odd argument. Let's paraphrase it a little. >I never really understood what pianists where trying to >do or say or be with their synthesisers, but perhaps that's because I'm >originally a guitarist. ? Speaking personally, I enjoy playing guitar; I enjoy the physicality of it, of feeling the vibrations of notes in the hands. But that doesn't mean I like the sounds guitars make. Far from it, in fact. So I'll look into all sorts of devices, from stomp boxes to rack mounts to guitar synths to the VG8 to marry up playing the instrument I like with the sounds I want to hear. Quite simple, really. Continuing ... "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" wrote: >Well said, mark! I never really understood what guitarists where trying to >do or say or be with their guitar synths, but perhaps that's because I'm >originally a keyboard player (well, I really can't play guitar at all, >although I own two electrics and an acoustic and even a Yamaha guitalele >(which is a funny thing), and even more bass guitars), but yeah, the idea >might have been a "I want a keyboard sound, but without losing the >expressiveness of the guitar playing", just as Kevin said...but the way to >great synth tones are synths, and the best way to control them isn't a >guitar equipped with some strange interface. > But then, the keyboard interface is simply an easy compromise; a row of on-off switches (with, latterly, the addition of velocity & aftertouch sensitivity). So keyboard synthesisers are really something of a historical accident. Buchla, for one, had different ideas about how they should be controlled. (I also have a fairly ill-defined thought about the division of attention necessary with a keyboard, regarding the number of notes that can be played simultaneously versus the number of variables for each note that can be controlled by the player at the same time. Consider how many variables a violinist or saxophonist can manipulate at the same time (and in real time) compared to a pianist, for example.) - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 22:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A25B33BF08; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060201012316.043cdaa0@loopers-delight.com> References: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> <6.1.2.0.2.20060201012316.043cdaa0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Patent law Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:57:47 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:46:36 +0000 (UTC) > Have any of you checked out DJRND3? Just tried no price or any details about buying one, So they doesn't make me want to follow it further, if a company wants to sell something they need to make it easy to buy. otherwise it makes me nervous about their customer support etc. but elements of it looks interesting, the hard disk is a nice touch. G On 1 Feb 2006, at 18:56, Kim Flint wrote: > At 06:05 AM 1/31/2006, Warren Sirota wrote: >> Wow, do I feel dumb. That thing is like Greek to me. I guess it must >> be some >> combination of the requirements of the patent application and the >> desire to >> be as broad as possible in the claims that makes these things so hard >> to >> read. > > Part of the problem is the original patent was in French, and what is > on the USPTO site is a translated version. The abstract in particular > is not translated to English very well. > > (However, it is still maybe a little easier for me to understand than > the French version, which is what I first saw when it came out! :-) > >> If I were to just read the abstract, I would guess that this is about >> "manually"-controlled "scratching" or "scrubbing" of audio buffers for >> playback, like you would have with a digital turntablist. But the >> body of >> the application seems to touch on so many areas that it casts my >> interpretation of the abstract into doubt. > > No, it is a patent of a real-time multi-track looper using parallel > loop tracks. Among the claims are loop synchronization methods, with > the loops in specific ratios to each other to ensure synchronization. > (like gears). It doesn't have much or anything to do with DJ > scratching or pitch/time shifting algorithms. There are a lot of > details in the claims in the patent, which are more clear to > understand than the abstract. It really is quite an innovative > invention, and way ahead of its time for when the patent was filed. > Emmanuel is really one of the star innovators of the looping world, > and deserves more credit for what he has created. > > If you want a clearer example of the patent, all you have to do is > check out Emmanuel's brilliant DJRND3! This is the embodiment of > Emmanuel's patent. The DJRND2 and DJRND3 were incredible innovations > for looping, and still are. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html > > Here you guys are getting all excited about 3, 4, and 8 track loopers > as if it is something new, while for years now you have had available > the DJRND3 with 21 stereo tracks, 8 loop banks, midi in/out, 512MB > ram, tap tempo, tons of user controls, and even an internal hard disk! > Have any of you checked out DJRND3? I've always thought this was one > of the most amazing looping products out there, and I'm surprised I > don't hear more about it on the LD list. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 23:38:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38ADA3BF07; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Tby/DZ1u9zC5gjjS8Z5RY5/6S+OT6Mkb4aUWh4NY5PNDDLJmiPFLktDxE316mNeCR57jv1o18uhwADUQhIulzxzz4VskhaVSG9Qr/u9+peuNIWTH8Np7QkjOClK07gqFy4LmjST0twSrtClOV8frF/GiGY/MfwgRR9x2SEg/VqQ= ; Message-ID: <20060201233813.66270.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: AW: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <775E4014.58EAAA6E.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:38:18 +0000 (UTC) --- Tony Douglas wrote: So I'll > look into all sorts of devices, from stomp boxes to > rack mounts to guitar synths to the VG8 to marry up > playing the instrument I like with the sounds I want > to hear. Quite simple, really. I think what we're trying to say is that we've found the compromises you make with MIDI guitars and synth guitars aren't worth it... to us. I'm not saying the "keyboard" is THE electronic instrument interface... it just happens to be easily obtainable at an inexpensive price. The thing about MIDI/Synth guitars that bothered me the most was when you tried to do something like create a drone chord while playing notes over it. Not easily done when those strings stop vibrating and you get a really glitchy end of notes in your chord. Also, I wanted it to really nicely track things like bends and hammer-ons and I seemed to be able to get it right about 50% of the time if I played it really cleanly. Anyway, I could go on but the deal is I was never satisfied... but I wanted those synth sounds. (BTW, I'm all for the mutilation of a guitar sound to become something different, I just don't like traditional Synth/MIDI guitar setups. Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it looks cool) > > Continuing ... > > ... Consider how many variables a > violinist or saxophonist can manipulate at the same > time (and in real time) compared to a pianist, for > example.) I think that's totally unfair to make these comparisons. First of all, we're not talking about a piano. Second... while I agree that many acoustic instruments have a TON of subtile "variables" that can be manipulated in real time... a modern synth doesn't? I've got a few that are just teaming with knobs begging to be twisted... uh with the free hand I have because I'm not trying to pluck a string while holding it down at a fret. My novation controller has so many knobs and buttons it's sick, plus it has a x/y touch pad and aftertouch. It's keys feel better than any cheap m-audio board and it really is an instrument... one I wish I was better at, but that's another thread. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 1 23:45:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF5073BF14; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43E1480B.2020202@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:45:15 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for bell samples References: <20060129200454.A172F3BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129202443.02871060@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129202443.02871060@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:45:16 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > hi Stefan, > What's an Ondes Memorielles? Well, I finally found a name for the instrument I am playing and changing (programming) all the time. As its based on delay lines and I am living in France, I found that name fits best. It translates to somthing like "memory waves" or "memorial waves" and is of course also an hommage to the "Ondes Martenot" one of the first electronic instruments invented in the first half of the last century. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 00:24:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999183BF08; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: DJRND3 (was: Patent law) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:24:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYngSTm2eb6CLHCSDmDFB4/JxoRswADVACg Message-Id: <20060202002315.YHDA20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:24:31 +0000 (UTC) http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f% 2fwww%2etplm%2ecom%2ffiches%2f1933%2ehtm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 00:31:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8AA3BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ofh9ckPzVzj871dDxYABkSYm77phDrpUgwMgKbjucIJU0WuDa6CiypX0tH/lHRkc; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:29:26 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060201233813.66270.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c77afcf57665db1064cdcb6570bd904ef2fd1faeb0efa699350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.2.102 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:31:07 +0000 (UTC) umm 2cents worth: ever since i saw JimStafford(guitarplayer extrordinaire) on the tonite show in '84-i got the video- "trying" to play the new Roland Guitar Synth w/ that extra arm(?)never new what that was for-anybody?-he was playin 'beverly hills cop theme' makin all these pseudo synthee-NON guitar sounds using envelopes that were totally out of time w/ the music-he was at a loss on how to control them)-i learned to be apprehensive about synth/guitars. i have over the years totally turned my back on anything but the most unaffected of guitar tones-and i sure dont mind players trying to hone disparate(incongruent qualities) sound-for me that dog dont hunt. just cause you can integrate ic's or chips or whatever onto a guitar signal doesnt mean its a good thangg. waggin the dog imho swimmin against the stream of consciousness ston on 2/1/06 3:38 PM, mark sottilaro at zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: > --- Tony Douglas wrote: > So I'll >> look into all sorts of devices, from stomp boxes to >> rack mounts to guitar synths to the VG8 to marry up >> playing the instrument I like with the sounds I want >> to hear. Quite simple, really. > > > I think what we're trying to say is that we've found > the compromises you make with MIDI guitars and synth > guitars aren't worth it... to us. I'm not saying the > "keyboard" is THE electronic instrument interface... > it just happens to be easily obtainable at an > inexpensive price. The thing about MIDI/Synth guitars > that bothered me the most was when you tried to do > something like create a drone chord while playing > notes over it. Not easily done when those strings > stop vibrating and you get a really glitchy end of > notes in your chord. Also, I wanted it to really > nicely track things like bends and hammer-ons and I > seemed to be able to get it right about 50% of the > time if I played it really cleanly. Anyway, I could > go on but the deal is I was never satisfied... but I > wanted those synth sounds. (BTW, I'm all for the > mutilation of a guitar sound to become something > different, I just don't like traditional Synth/MIDI > guitar setups. Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it > looks cool) >> Continuing ... >> >> ... Consider how many variables a >> violinist or saxophonist can manipulate at the same >> time (and in real time) compared to a pianist, for >> example.) > I think that's totally unfair to make these > comparisons. First of all, we're not talking about a > piano. Second... while I agree that many acoustic > instruments have a TON of subtile "variables" that can > be manipulated in real time... a modern synth doesn't? > I've got a few that are just teaming with knobs > begging to be twisted... uh with the free hand I have > because I'm not trying to pluck a string while holding > it down at a fret. My novation controller has so many > knobs and buttons it's sick, plus it has a x/y touch > pad and aftertouch. It's keys feel better than any > cheap m-audio board and it really is an instrument... > one I wish I was better at, but that's another thread. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 00:52:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2603BF0C; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Roland VG8 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 00:52:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020220060052.26511.43E157CC000030C00000678F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:52:30 +0000 (UTC) > --- Tony Douglas wrote: > > I think what we're trying to say is that we've found > the compromises you make with MIDI guitars and synth > guitars aren't worth it... to us. I'm not saying the > "keyboard" is THE electronic instrument interface... > it just happens to be easily obtainable at an > inexpensive price. The thing about MIDI/Synth guitars > that bothered me the most was when you tried to do > something like create a drone chord while playing > notes over it. Not easily done when those strings > stop vibrating and you get a really glitchy end of > notes in your chord. Also, I wanted it to really > nicely track things like bends and hammer-ons and I > seemed to be able to get it right about 50% of the > time if I played it really cleanly. Anyway, I could > go on but the deal is I was never satisfied... but I > wanted those synth sounds. (BTW, I'm all for the > mutilation of a guitar sound to become something > different, I just don't like traditional Synth/MIDI > guitar setups. Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it > looks cool) I think guitar synths CAN be done well, but for the most part haven't been. The best guitar synth I know of in terms of tracking and expressiveness is the Roland GR-300. I like it so much I did a lot of hacking on it and put up a web page about it: The analog pitch tracking on this thing is as fast as you could ever want (the exception is the low strings, which you can't get a fast attack out of, but even that could be cured by using a better envelope follower). I never did understand why Roland invented the best pitch tracker in history and then threw it away for other designs. The tracking scheme here can be implemented digitally. I don't understand why every guitar synth since 1980 hasn't been based on this! Anyway, enough of my ranting...I just want to say that the guitar is potentially a great synth controller and that the potential hasn't been realized for the most part because implementing it is so difficult. I played a Peavey MIDI Bass one time and was suprised that it didn't feel any faster than my GR-50. I think the reason there is that with wired frets you get glitching from fret buzz rather than from pitch tracking errors. Of course, I think the ULTIMATE synth controller is the Continuum Fingerboard, but then I'm kind of biased. You can do a lot of guitar stuff on it. At NAMM I was doing Eddie Van Halen tapping, great fun. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 00:54:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44E533BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15051324.1138841654454.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:54:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Good Folks I can see that this debate is moving somewhat into my area of interest. And= I must say that I can see positives in both sides of the argument. There i= s the "Why should I make my guitar, a wonderful instrument sound like anyth= ing else, a bad flute?" Touche! Understood. Its' the same reasoning that is= used against effect processing. There are varying degrees of argument here= . On the other hand, some folks need to cover certain bases in some band si= tuations. I know that I had a gig for almost six years where I was able to = play relatively noisy, oddball synth guitar complete with loops, distortion= and feedback in a church. I blended things, came up with irrational combin= ations and enjoyed myself immensely during that time using a Roland GR-33 w= ith a Godin LGXT and a Gibson Explorer. I wasn't necessarily trying to soun= d exactly like a flute or a trumpet or a Hammond B-3. What I WAS trying to = do was EVOKE those instruments, perhaps imply their placement as opposed re= create them perfectly. It's all just personal taste and a willingness to ex= periment.=20 DISCUSS.....No big whoop........ Todd -----Original Message----- >From: stanitarium >Sent: Feb 1, 2006 5:29 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 > >umm 2cents worth: >ever since i saw JimStafford(guitarplayer extrordinaire) on the tonite sho= w >in '84-i got the video- "trying" to play the new Roland Guitar Synth w/ th= at >extra arm(?)never new what that was for-anybody?-he was playin 'beverly >hills cop theme' makin all these pseudo synthee-NON guitar sounds using >envelopes that were totally out of time w/ the music-he was at a loss on h= ow >to control them)-i learned to be apprehensive about synth/guitars. >i have over the years totally turned my back on anything but the most >unaffected of guitar tones-and i sure dont mind players trying to hone >disparate(incongruent qualities) sound-for me that dog dont hunt. >just cause you can integrate ic's or chips or whatever onto a guitar signa= l >doesnt mean its a good thangg. waggin the dog imho >swimmin against the stream of consciousness >ston=20 > > > > > >on 2/1/06 3:38 PM, mark sottilaro at zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: >> --- Tony Douglas wrote: >> So I'll >>> look into all sorts of devices, from stomp boxes to >>> rack mounts to guitar synths to the VG8 to marry up >>> playing the instrument I like with the sounds I want >>> to hear. Quite simple, really. >>=20 >>=20 >> I think what we're trying to say is that we've found >> the compromises you make with MIDI guitars and synth >> guitars aren't worth it... to us. I'm not saying the >> "keyboard" is THE electronic instrument interface... >> it just happens to be easily obtainable at an >> inexpensive price. The thing about MIDI/Synth guitars >> that bothered me the most was when you tried to do >> something like create a drone chord while playing >> notes over it. Not easily done when those strings >> stop vibrating and you get a really glitchy end of >> notes in your chord. Also, I wanted it to really >> nicely track things like bends and hammer-ons and I >> seemed to be able to get it right about 50% of the >> time if I played it really cleanly. Anyway, I could >> go on but the deal is I was never satisfied... but I >> wanted those synth sounds. (BTW, I'm all for the >> mutilation of a guitar sound to become something >> different, I just don't like traditional Synth/MIDI >> guitar setups. Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it >> looks cool) > >>> Continuing ... >>>=20 >>> ... Consider how many variables a >>> violinist or saxophonist can manipulate at the same >>> time (and in real time) compared to a pianist, for >>> example.) =20 >> I think that's totally unfair to make these >> comparisons. First of all, we're not talking about a >> piano. Second... while I agree that many acoustic >> instruments have a TON of subtile "variables" that can >> be manipulated in real time... a modern synth doesn't? >> I've got a few that are just teaming with knobs >> begging to be twisted... uh with the free hand I have >> because I'm not trying to pluck a string while holding >> it down at a fret. My novation controller has so many >> knobs and buttons it's sick, plus it has a x/y touch >> pad and aftertouch. It's keys feel better than any >> cheap m-audio board and it really is an instrument... >> one I wish I was better at, but that's another thread. >>=20 >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 01:17:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F19703BF10; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:17:49 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6E920D2A.37F93403.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.76.70.110 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: 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userid 1004) id E18D03BF0A; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,245,1136178000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="2089717846:sNHT31233624" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060201233813.66270.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060201233813.66270.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--525243271 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:20:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:20:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--525243271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sounds like you SHOULD try one, Mark! Just don't expect to understand its potential from a few hours spent noodling with factory presets. I wanted a VG-8 from the first second I heard about it, and nabbed the second or third unit Bananas in San Rafael ever sold. BUT, it took me over a year of messing with it to START getting what I wanted...which was strange, surprising and marvelous "guitar" sounds (as well as intricately-tweekable "traditional" guitar/amp/FX sounds), NOT keyboard sounds, i.e., sounds with the tactile realities of vibrating strings and meaty fingers inextricably bound up in them, and as far away as possible from the prophylactic disconnect of guitar-triggered MIDI synths. I also love keyboards, and have a serious soft-synth jones....but that's got nothing really to do with the guitar/VG realms I've been evangelizing about ever since I came under the spell. In my experience, the VG's (both the 8 and the 88, tho the 8 is by far more capable) are the only "real" guitar synths ever made, since they're the only ones I know of that respond to string vibration in all its many shades and manifestations (muted, scraped, snapped, etc....). I also maintain that they are at the same time among the MOST extreme guitar FX devices ever made, blurring the lines delightfully between physical modeling, synthifying, and effecting. But the MOST striking thing about the VGs IMO is how misunderstood, under-utilized, and neglected they are by serious guitar-wielding sonic explorers. 95 out of 100 VG-ers were then and are still now looking for nothing more than what Line-6 understands modeling to be about: every "classic" guitar, amp, and effect sounds you ever wanted!! ...all sort-of mimicked in one or two bits of gear. Cool, I guess, but, really, what a shame, considering what's possible. I've got a CD demo of the kinds of sounds I've discovered in my years of exploring the VG; send me an email, and I'll forward a copy. Someday (soon?) I'll have it on-line; all the patches I created and am demoing on the CD are also downloadable at vg-8.com/wiki/whatever... dc On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:38 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > (BTW, I'm all for the > mutilation of a guitar sound to become something > different, I just don't like traditional Synth/MIDI > guitar setups. Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it > looks cool) > --Apple-Mail-4--525243271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like you SHOULD try one, = Mark! Just don't expect to understand its potential from a few hours = spent noodling with factory presets. I wanted a VG-8 from the first = second I heard about it, and nabbed=A0the second or third unit Bananas = in San Rafael ever sold. BUT, it took me over a year of messing with it = to START getting what I wanted...which was strange, surprising and = marvelous "guitar" sounds (as well as intricately-tweekable = "traditional" guitar/amp/FX sounds), NOT keyboard sounds, i.e., sounds = with the tactile realities of vibrating strings and meaty fingers = inextricably bound up in them, and as far away as possible from the = prophylactic disconnect of guitar-triggered MIDI synths. I also love = keyboards, and have a serious soft-synth jones....but that's got nothing = really to do with the guitar/VG realms I've been=A0evangelizing about = ever since I came under the spell. In my experience, the VG's (both the = 8 and the 88, tho the 8 is by far more=A0capable) are the only "real" = guitar synths ever made, since they're the only ones I know of that = respond to=A0 string vibration in all its many shades and manifestations = (muted, scraped, snapped, etc....). I also maintain that they are at the = same time among the MOST extreme guitar FX devices ever made, blurring = the lines delightfully between physical modeling, synthifying, and = effecting.

But = the MOST striking thing about the VGs IMO is how misunderstood, = under-utilized, and neglected they are by serious guitar-wielding sonic = explorers. 95 out of 100 VG-ers were then and are still now looking for = nothing more than what Line-6 understands modeling to be about: every = "classic" guitar, amp, and effect sounds you ever wanted!! ...all = sort-of=A0mimicked in one or two bits of gear. Cool, I guess, but, = really, what a shame, considering what's possible.

I've got a CD demo=A0of=A0the= kinds of sounds I've discovered in my years of exploring the VG; send = me an email, and I'll forward a copy. Someday (soon?) I'll have it = on-line; all the patches I created and am demoing on the CD are also = downloadable at vg-8.com/wiki/whatever...

dc

On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:38 PM, = mark sottilaro wrote:

(BTW, I'm all for the
mutilation of a guitar sound to become = something
different, I just don't = like traditional Synth/MIDI
guitar setups.=A0 = Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it
looks cool)


= --Apple-Mail-4--525243271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 01:24:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4AA3BF02; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060201233813.66270.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060201233813.66270.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--524984420 Message-Id: <2067BB99-D8F3-4E49-AE95-8ED7BF3912E7@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:24:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:24:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--524984420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sounds like you SHOULD try one, Mark! Just don't expect to understand its potential from a few hours spent noodling with factory presets. I wanted a VG-8 from the first second I heard about it, and nabbed the second or third unit Bananas in San Rafael ever sold. BUT, it took me over a year of messing with it to START getting what I wanted...which was strange, surprising and marvelous "guitar" sounds (as well as intricately-tweekable "traditional" guitar/amp/FX sounds), NOT keyboard sounds, i.e., sounds with the tactile realities of vibrating strings and meaty fingers inextricably bound up in them, and as far away as possible from the prophylactic disconnect of guitar-triggered MIDI synths. I also love keyboards, and have a serious soft-synth jones....but that's got nothing really to do with the guitar/VG realms I've been evangelizing about ever since I came under the spell. In my experience, the VG's (both the 8 and the 88, tho the 8 is by far more capable) are the only "real" guitar synths ever made, since they're the only ones I know of that respond to string vibration in all its many shades and manifestations (muted, scraped, snapped, etc....). I also maintain that they are at the same time among the MOST extreme guitar FX devices ever made, blurring the lines delightfully between physical modeling, synthifying, and effecting. But the MOST striking thing about the VGs IMO is how misunderstood, under-utilized, and neglected they are by serious guitar-wielding sonic explorers. 95 out of 100 VG-ers were then and are still now looking for nothing more than what Line-6 understands modeling to be about: every "classic" guitar, amp, and effect sounds you ever wanted!! ...all sort-of mimicked in one or two bits of gear. Cool, I guess, but, really, what a shame, considering what's possible. I've got a CD demo of the kinds of sounds I've discovered in my years of exploring the VG; send me an email, and I'll forward a copy. Someday (soon?) I'll have it on-line; all the patches I created and am demoing on the CD are also downloadable at vg-8.com/wiki/whatever... dc On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:38 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > (BTW, I'm all for the > mutilation of a guitar sound to become something > different, I just don't like traditional Synth/MIDI > guitar setups. Truth is I never tried a VG8 but it > looks cool) > --Apple-Mail-7--524984420 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Sounds like = you SHOULD try one, Mark! Just don't expect to understand its potential = from a few hours spent noodling with factory presets. I wanted a VG-8 = from the first second I heard about it, and nabbed=A0the second or third = unit Bananas in San Rafael ever sold. BUT, it took me over a year of = messing with it to START getting what I wanted...which was strange, = surprising and marvelous "guitar" sounds (as well as = intricately-tweekable "traditional" guitar/amp/FX sounds), NOT keyboard = sounds, i.e., sounds with the tactile realities of vibrating strings and = meaty fingers inextricably bound up in them, and as far away as possible = from the prophylactic disconnect of guitar-triggered MIDI synths. I also = love keyboards, and have a serious soft-synth jones....but that's got = nothing really to do with the guitar/VG realms I've been=A0evangelizing = about ever since I came under the spell. In my experience, the VG's = (both the 8 and the 88, tho the 8 is by far more=A0capable) are the only = "real" guitar synths ever made, since they're the only ones I know of = that respond to=A0 string vibration in all its many shades and = manifestations (muted, scraped, snapped, etc....). I also maintain that = they are at the same time among the MOST extreme guitar FX devices ever = made, blurring the lines delightfully between physical modeling, = synthifying, and effecting.
But the MOST striking thing = about the VGs IMO is how misunderstood, under-utilized, and neglected = they are by serious guitar-wielding sonic explorers. 95 out of 100 = VG-ers were then and are still now looking for nothing more than what = Line-6 understands modeling to be about: every "classic" guitar, amp, = and effect sounds you ever wanted!! ...all sort-of=A0mimicked in one or = two bits of gear. Cool, I guess, but, really, what a shame, considering = what's possible.

I've got a CD demo=A0of=A0the kinds of sounds I've = discovered in my years of exploring the VG; send me an email, and I'll = forward a copy. Someday (soon?) I'll have it on-line; all the patches I = created and am demoing on the CD are also downloadable at = vg-8.com/wiki/whatever...
dc

On Feb 1, = 2006, at 3:38 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:

=A0(BTW, I'm all for = the

mutilation of a guitar sound to become something

different, I just don't = like traditional Synth/MIDI

guitar setups.=A0 Truth is I never tried a VG8 = but it

looks cool)



= --Apple-Mail-7--524984420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 01:28:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD1953BF11; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:28:17 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Roland VG8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5D24AEDC.75C5F8CD.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.76.70.110 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <2G6hvD.A.i6G.1AW4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, stanitarium wrote: >umm 2cents worth: >ever since i saw JimStafford(guitarplayer extrordinaire) on the tonite show >in '84-i got the video- "trying" to play the new Roland Guitar Synth w/ that >extra arm(?)never new what that was for-anybody?- Allegedly, for neck stability to avoid phantom harmonic notes ringing and confusing the synth electronics. (Some people take to attaching clamps to the headstock to achieve the same end.) I suppose Roland were trying to work out how to get a neck as stable as the Parker or Steinberger necks. The main effect was, of course, to make the G707 and G77 look very silly. (I intentionally bought a GR700 without the G707 controller, as I refuse to give one house room !) - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 02:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B7B3BF06; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 02:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c627a3$00b5e130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:47:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 02:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Mike called our attention to this article: Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html .............which took a study of balkan immigrants and compared their experiences with a group of native north americans and concluded that north americans are bad at grokking syncopation. I'm sorry but I have to say that this study reflects western science's compulsion to categorize at the expense of accurately understanding reality at it's worst................there are so many factors that relate to how a people percieve different kinds of rhythms that you would have to have a much better designed experiment to make the case that is made here. also, they talked about North Americans......................well North Americans come from Africa, Europe, Aisia and all over the world. Which Northern Americans are they talking about? I suspect they mean Caucasion people with primarily British/European heritage who were Canadian (as it turns out). There are lots of different kinds of complexity in rhythm from around the world: I"ve met a lot of Balkan drummers and MiddleEastern drummers who are great with odd time signatures and what I would call 'linear complex rhythms' who are really bad at playing the funk rhythms of the African Diaspora, innovated in the United States. Odd time signature dance rhythms, spread mostly by the Ottoman turks and the Moors to many of the countries in the Middle and Near East and in Eastern Europe are, for the most part, very minimalistically played and fairly conservative in syncopative application. There are great tradtional African drummers who are completely incapable of holding down a simple techno groove or disco groove. The Indians are famous for having some of the most sophisticated rhythmic expressions and tradtions on the planet but those traditions are mostly linear. There is just as much sophistication in the polyrhythmic rhythm interplay in a large West African pop band as there is in a ripping tabla player's performance..............it is just sophistication of a different kind and order. Can you make a case in each of these instances that either of these cultures are rhythmically challenged? Hell no. They just reflect the cultural sensibilities of each region they came from. Let us not forget that the whole concept of Funk was innovated in the United States, ableit in the expatriated African Amercican communities of the great Diaspora. It didn't originate in Africa and if you study it carefully, it has West African (and Middleastern) roots rhythmically speaking but it is a different phenomena that the traditional musics of those regions. Funk is, like many things specifically American, a fusion of styles: Without the marriage to the repressived non-syncopated traditions of the dominant paradigm (which all come, originally, from the Shamanic pagan tradtions of the tribes of Northern Europe) there would be no Funk, per se. Mercifully, we now live in a world where it is very easy to find out information about other cultures so the styles of all of these great tradtions are merging into the most sophisticated pop music traditions in the history of the planet. If you study just the mathematics of the proliferation of popular rhythmic expression from Western culture there has been an almost geometric increase in the sophistication of rhythms found on commercial radio. Sure there's still a plethora of four on the floor rhythms on the radios of the world but just sit down and analyze the rhythmic complexity of a Timbaland production of a Missy Elliot song and compare it to commercial Western music of, say the early 1960's. The information age and the jet airplane has resulted in people from all over the planet increasing their rhythmic sophistication and their access to sophisticated world musical instruments. You can buy Irish bodhrans that kick butt, made in Pakistan...........................Indian Kanjira's made excellently and innovatively on the East Coast of the U.S. I remember 25 years ago when I first saw a real Djembe for the first time. I was amazed and in awe. Yet I had been playing West African djembe rhtyhms for a few years thanks to the proliferation of radio and cassette technology. This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's irresponsible to publish tripe like this. Sorry but that article really got under my skin and pissed me off. lol.................with indignant rhythmic righteousness, Rick Walker (a Northern European drummer who should be retarded rhythmically speaking since he spent so much of his youth in the suburbs of San Jose) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 03:13:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4033F3BF04; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 03:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:14:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005a01c627a3$00b5e130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 03:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Great response brother! The thing that I found interesting (because I already knew it based upon experience) is how children have a clean rhythmic slate-which reinforces what you're saying. It's the same slate I believe that allows children of whatever culture to pick up linguistic differences irrespective of culture, differences their parents can't pick up. ~peace~ Mike -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:47 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Sorry but that article really got under my skin and pissed me off. lol.................with indignant rhythmic righteousness, Rick Walker (a Northern European drummer who should be retarded rhythmically speaking since he spent so much of his youth in the suburbs of San Jose) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 04:14:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D05C3BF0E; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <646471A5.34387E62.59DF470E@netscape.net> References: <646471A5.34387E62.59DF470E@netscape.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:14:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Yamaha G10 (was RE: midi'd bass) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:14:43 +0000 (UTC) At 11:58 AM -0500 2/1/06, Tony Douglas wrote: > >All interesting stuff in your post though - I haven't bumped into >the Midibase/Cyberbass anywhere. Did Yamaha try something similar to >this with the G10 ? Pitch extraction on a guitar is bad enough, but >I shudder to think how it would work with a bass ... I don't know enough about the Cyberbass to make an informed comparison. However, I still use the G10 as one of my main MIDI controllers. The G10 doesn't do any pitch extraction whatsoever. In fact all 6 strings are the same gauge -- usually .015-.017 "G" strings -- and tuned to the same note (which can get a little disorienting occasionally, since all the strings feel exactly the same). It's main method of pitch derivation is rather to use ultrasonics to sense the position of the finger on each string as it is being fretted. This is combined with a vibrational sensor that tells the unit when the string is plucked as well as measuring the amount of pitch bend. If I remember correctly, Yamaha's promotional literature always touted a third method: that the frets were wired and contact sensing. However, I've had the neck off of it a bunch several times doing setups, and it looks like just a plain old fretboard to me. The G10's tracking logic is pretty close to the same methods you find on the SynthAxe, as well as some of the early Axon controllers. Not sure exactly how that stacks up against the Cyberbass, though. --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 04:41:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51BF13BF0F; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> <6.1.2.0.2.20060201012316.043cdaa0@loopers-delight.com> <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:41:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Patent law Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:41:43 +0000 (UTC) At 9:57 PM +0000 2/1/06, geoff smith wrote: >> Have any of you checked out DJRND3? > >Just tried no price or any details about buying one, >So they doesn't make me want to follow it further, if a company >wants to sell something they need to make it easy to buy. That was pretty much my experience as well. I considered the DJRND3 for a few minutes when I first subscribed to LD a coupla years back. I couldn't find any additional information on it other than the fact that I guess some of the technology was licensed to the Cycloops. Then you lot talked me into getting my Repeater, which I haven't regretted for a moment since... ;) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 05:07:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35763BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <27881520.1138820336689.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:58:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digest size Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm...perhaps I should spend more time on the Web site, then :-) Thanks for all your help, Kim. ~Tim www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Feb 1, 2006 1:52 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: digest size > >At 06:56 AM 1/31/2006, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >>Thanks for your quick and helpful reply, Kim. >>How do I go about making this change? >>(No, it's not as common as someone just e-mailing "unsubscribe" to the >>entire group (LOL) >>;-) ;-) ;-) > > From pretty much every single one of the hundreds of thousands of pages on >the Looper's Delight web site you will find this link for the Looper's >Delight Mailing List Info: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html > >If you follow it, you will find your way to the digest. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 05:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D60B3BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FOAPzX9eqKVuOZ6QjDAcJLf9q847OBT9CvxzDIwryK/LVaE3eM2zyjru0P/sVeNFHdATctx7Y3uTUBOi3hF7yPWqzBXBnEVAj0+5l9k2jviOtprKT/JpKcjHxq6vlzXO//irQSdnmpkUaTgrdOe/0Wk4mkdmLmYpQpZ31wMoBaU= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:22:38 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: 2/11: call for performers for open loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Hello... we're doing an open loop again and I'd love you to come and play. It's February 11, 3PM to 8PM. Grand Central Bar 659 Grand St, Brooklyn Let me know in advance or just show up. It's a nice little space -- no one cares about it and we can do as we like for a nice long afternoon. I intend to keep the noise levels low and do long continuous jams -- and I can now record them continuously I hope without side breaks. I'm bringing a 24 input board so there will definitely be room for all of you. There are also mic stands and I have a mic or two. And it'll all be recorded direct-to-digital. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 05:33:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E423BF06; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:33:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 461, in=224838, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:33:48 +0000 (UTC) So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 (used)? Just brain-storming here. In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative, an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 05:53:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3DBD3BF05; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:53:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:53:24 +0000 (UTC) At 10:33 PM -0700 2/1/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for >$130 (used)? Just brain-storming here. I'll cast a vote for the Yamaha Magicstomp. Almost all the functionality of the UD-, DG-, and AG-Stomp boxes along with some of the effects from the SPX's, and in a single box. Plus you can still find the original Magicstomp floating around new for $99 (take your wife out to lunch with the leftover $30). The *only* differences between the original and the newer Magicstomp II are: 1) you have to use the (included) computer editor for programming the original; 2) the MS II has a headphone out; and 3) the new Magicstomp II costs $100 more. ;) Check it out; mmmmm, smells good... --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 05:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73AC13BF15; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VtSp/rlM/U9G4pRDfyniMZ81bEsrdTJShs9TYF6OjivOoR1y4Ugv042YMy2zyntxzvs1ArJLRKdD05JUlcHF/2uRudRBffxMm9LDd1mbUjikkh0mQviHvWq76yPruKB7YJhdhwHiiufw3IX5A5W2tQRVDK006eX3R7ywHCiLKjU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:58:16 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0b0St.A.mLE.59Z4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:58:17 +0000 (UTC) sounds cool. I might show up. is the idea that everyone just bring there instrument and looping device and we create one giant loop or do people perform individually? On 2/2/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Hello... we're doing an open loop again and I'd love you to come and play= . > > It's February 11, 3PM to 8PM. > Grand Central Bar > 659 Grand St, Brooklyn > > Let me know in advance or just show up. > > It's a nice little space -- no one cares about it and we can do as we > like for a nice long afternoon. I intend to keep the noise levels low > and do long continuous jams -- and I can now record them continuously > I hope without side breaks. > > I'm bringing a 24 input board so there will definitely be room for all > of you. There are also mic stands and I have a mic or two. And it'll > all be recorded direct-to-digital. > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 06:45:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2DF3BF0F; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201224108.01b2b8c0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:45:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: <005a01c627a3$00b5e130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005a01c627a3$00b5e130$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:45:28 +0000 (UTC) At 06:47 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm >http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html >This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world >rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is >sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study >of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's >irresponsible to publish tripe like this. I'd like to see the study re-done to include white and black teenagers who listen to hiphop. Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very high throughout the youth culture. PS: I'm Canadian. ;-) Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 09:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7335F3BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wd4zHjvuhkvaLippkyEV3ijNecJUiO2veRIjRSvKBT3ITKZ7jS+BfhIL8nDqpGVG4YSrOJ/LNngReeiA619jeiDSTlZv3bhGUBLF6uqpnu0g27QSXfcSvNfI4FehmcS2nkMZkWK+PJB62j+Bw1eHeRQw3dSbYoV9+v1A2vB0zEI= ; Message-ID: <20060202091457.81947.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680A@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4DiWw.A.di.S2c4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:14:58 +0000 (UTC) The best simple pedalsteel effect is a mounted B-bender which i have in my telecaster,put a little bit of reverb and you can come pretty close! but i am still itching to try a real pedalsteel... cheers Luis --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Hi Mark and everyone, > related to the last part of your post. > > Anybody knows of other effects processors emulating > pedal steel sounds > besides the vg8? > > Very best, > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: mwsmart@insightbb.com > [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 01 de Febrero de 2006 02:13 > p.m. > Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Asunto: Re: Roland VG8 > > > > Or shifting certain strings around in response to a > pedal, > like on the preset pedal steel sounds. > > Mark Smart > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 09:24:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B31AD3BF0C; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GsXqQHy05VPaWVRgXjs1lGEo+k+ab+CjhOcRD/x3ygm8dqOlO4mWBiX1ysaeXShb7NRewD6jk6WD0qyIUzwLRcH+5fzv0ShrB6KshBaouCaVQJLHV78WV/k0ZnPStEhSRtg5XeAfbv1Mgry9rg9iGBYoqFQpRlt7/oJmSIrhqGc= ; Message-ID: <20060202092430.75101.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <020120061612.1297.43E0DDDD000CBFA00000051121979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6KXmEC.A.l1.V_c4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey Thanx Mark,it does sound amazing in your web and the tracking seems even better than the OC-3 ive gotta check it out! cheers Luis > For instantaneous-feeling bass sounds, I use a > Danelectro Chili Dog octave > pedal. It's kind of amazing that this little $40 > pedal can do a bass better > than the VG-8, but it's true! www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 09:41:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B513BF0C; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dx5c2YD+s8JhudZxFoV8lPjhe4cyF8ZCMf5EcXW+92DaQ97DIqf+eT7TwkyrdOz5q8ci+aV4jtxI5EY93L6KkHhRYJisWItKucgC6mr7ZG1k6IDaIxKwYiS5y0HBhQxOI9yRLAJMAANr1f+j7e05qGPSxAYzweXZTwuro4z9PCs= ; Message-ID: <20060202094114.71152.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Roland VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <020120061612.1297.43E0DDDD000CBFA00000051121979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark one question: what kind of amplification do you use if u are dealing with synths and guitar? do you run both straight into a P.A.? i am still searching for the optimal, at the moment i go straight into a mackie and 2 active yamaha MS150 powered speakers,and although the synth sounds great i am still not satisfied with the guitar sound.Now the Roland GP-100 preamp is great amp modeler but through the P.A. it still lacks that compressed punch that u get through a tube amp.Ive thought about getting something like the mesa boogie 20/20 single space power amp and speaker cabinets more suitable for guitar and run evrything through it, but i dont know how the synth will sound.Now i know i could carry an x-tra amp and run my preamp through it, but i just want to take a mixer and 2 speakers,any suggestions? Luis --- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > Hi there, > > > > Playing bass patches with the VG8 is quite > strange; there are no delays between > > picking and sound, but it doesn't quite "feel" > right. > > There is a little bit of delay on the VG8 when you > are using the pitch > shifter. Because a pitch shifter works by recording > sound into memory > and then playing it out at a different speed, the > playback pointer has to > be a little bit behind the record pointer to keep it > from catching > up. This delay is noticeable, but is not nearly as > bad as that on a guitar > synth like my GR-50. > > For instantaneous-feeling bass sounds, I use a > Danelectro Chili Dog octave > pedal. It's kind of amazing that this little $40 > pedal can do a bass better > than the VG-8, but it's true! > > >You can't really play a > > guitar like a bass - the lightness of the strings > changes things too much - so I > > tend to play a short scale bass I've got to remind > my fingers what a bass feels > > like to play, so that I play bass, not just > downtuned guitar. I suppose it's > > like trying to cover an absent bass player by > playing your guitar through an > > octaver/octivider. (Damn, typing about "feel" of > instruments is weird.) > > Hope that helps, > > > > - Tony > > > > Luis Angulo wrote: > > But I like the VG-8, and it's great for looping. I > have done a few solo > performances with the VG-8 and an Echoplex...you can > do some very cool stuff. > One tune I did was "The Dance of Maya" by the > Mahavishnu Orchestra. I would > lay down the main riff, like in the mp3 on my VG-8 > page: > > > > Then loop that and play the melody over it. At the > end where the boogie- > woogie riff gets combined with the main riff, you > can use "Multiply". > > I also did a virtual country band by laying down > bass, guitar, banjo, and > pedal steel. I need to make a recording of that, > it's pretty cool. > > Anyway, if you get one, there are some patches on my > page you can try out. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 09:43:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F05423BF16; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060202003753.050a9150@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:46:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: DJRND3 In-Reply-To: <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> <6.1.2.0.2.20060201012316.043cdaa0@loopers-delight.com> <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:43:01 +0000 (UTC) At 01:57 PM 2/1/2006, geoff smith wrote: >> Have any of you checked out DJRND3? > >Just tried no price or any details about buying one, >So they doesn't make me want to follow it further, if a company wants to >sell something they need to make it easy to buy. >otherwise it makes me nervous about their customer support etc. >but elements of it looks interesting, the hard disk is a nice touch. hmm, that's too bad. Did you ever try contacting Emmanuel? He's been on the list here since 1998 or so. He seems to be generally available. Maybe you just had to ask... I would be interested to hear from someone who has used a DJRND3. Anyone want to give it a try? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 09:46:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F30DB3BF1B; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 01:46:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:46:47 +0000 (UTC) nice thread i am not so sure how clean kids' rhythmic slates are. The structure of our bodies informs rhythmic movement... we are probably more inclined to enjoy four-four dances than three-tentacled eleven- fingered baby space aliens. Also size matters, ant tempos are different from elephant tempos for pretty fundamental reasons. Also interesting to me from a looping perspective, our echoic (short term acoustic) memory capacity, which I suspect is about as constant amongst humans as other innate capacities (which is to say highly variable but not infinitely variable), affects meter. I have a hunch that average spoken-word sentences are about as long as average bars, aren't they? On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > Great response brother! > > The thing that I found interesting (because I already knew it based > upon > experience) is how children have a clean rhythmic slate-which > reinforces > what you're saying. It's the same slate I believe that allows > children of > whatever culture to pick up linguistic differences irrespective of > culture, > differences their parents can't pick up. > > ~peace~ > Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:47 PM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > Sorry but that article really got under my skin and pissed me off. > > lol.................with indignant rhythmic righteousness, > > Rick Walker > (a Northern European drummer who should be retarded rhythmically > speaking > since he spent so much of his youth in the suburbs of San Jose) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 10:59:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4D03BF10; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680E@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Myspace.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:08:06 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_TtA-B.A.7vC.6Xe4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:59:06 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Fabio. I like them too.=20 I wanted to hear some of your guitar pieces i had like very much (in soundclick) but the link doesnt work for me. Did you move them? Thanks, Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 01 de Febrero de 2006 03:56 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Myspace.com Very, very interesting ambient music. I definitively like your songs, Michael ! Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ PS. "your space" works with me. I can hear all the 4 songs. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Myspace.com >> Interesting. I can only get ten versions to play as well... >> The others, simply don't load. > > > some kind of myspace bug I presume. I have written to them but of = course > they won't reply. > > Try again on different days! > > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > --=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date:=20 > 31/01/2006 > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 11:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32A5F3BF05; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680F@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Myspace.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:17:26 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Tim, i really liked Xylem and Leaf. Beautiful tunes.=20 Very best,=20 Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 01 de Febrero de 2006 05:17 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: RE: Myspace.com I started setting up a page at a couple of weeks ago, but haven't really had time to put much there yet. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 11:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F353BF06; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:32:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <43E1EDDC.2090806@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:16 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Today's program will include music from the new Jadis CD, "Photoplay," the new IZZ CD "My River Flows," the Musea label, and some music from local band Pulse. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze and more of his remastered works. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dig It" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the two disk set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#feb (a little later this afternoon.) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. All times are est / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 13:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1033BF06; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Vortex and acoustic guitar Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:36:42 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Did anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar. I've = read excellent reviews of you guys but everyone was using electric ones.=20 Just a hint, thanks. Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 14:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FBEA3BF04; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c62801$bce8f5a0$310dd00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20060202094114.71152.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Roland VG8 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:05:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:41 AM Subject: Re: Roland VG8 > Hey Mark one question: > what kind of amplification do you use if u are dealing > with synths and guitar? do you run both straight into > a P.A.? When I used to use the Roland GR-50 guitar synth live, I had a setup like this: +----------+ +------+ | Guitar |-->straight guitar-->GP-16 FX-->H&K Red Box-->|Volume|--> PA |with GK-2 | |Pedal | | |-->hex pickup-->GR-50 synth-->SE-50 FX------->| | +----------+ +------+ This is the setup you hear in the mp3 of "Fifth Avenue" on this page: http://www.marksmart.net/bands/iconoclast/fixtures/fixtures.html Lately I've been using an H&K Tubeman with my blues band, without a guitar synth, but still running strtaight into the PA. Great clean and great distortion. And it has the "Red Box" cabinet simulator built in. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 14:16:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6883BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680F@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Myspace.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:16:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 14:16:40.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[492DD070:01C62803] Resent-Message-ID: <2usNC.A.X2G.MRh4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:16:45 +0000 (UTC) I just put 2 tracks of my new duo: http://myspace.com/lourossi We are starting to use looping for the voice along w/ the touch gtr & hope to have some more samples up soon. Thanks Lou >From: Ariel Rzezak >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: RE: Myspace.com >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:17:26 -0300 > >Tim, > >i really liked Xylem and Leaf. Beautiful tunes. > >Very best, > >Ariel Rzezak >Buenos Aires, Argentina > > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] >Enviado el: Miércoles, 01 de Febrero de 2006 05:17 p.m. >Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Asunto: RE: Myspace.com > > >I started setting up a page at > a couple of weeks >ago, but haven't really had time to put much there >yet. > >-t- > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 14:33:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B673BF12; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2/11: call for performers for open loop Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:33:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 14:33:45.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABE99F80:01C62805] Resent-Message-ID: <9K81xC.A.lUH.Khh4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Lou here... I'm co-hosting the day with Tom. FYI, The open-loop is going to be during happy hour at the Grand Central bar in Williamsburg. My friend, who works there secured the afternoon for us to play & if it goes well we’ll be able to do it monthly… The idea for the first one is more of a hangout then a performance but I think we should do some overlapping with a few players at a time. Looking forward to a fun afternoon! Thanks Lou Rossi >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: 2/11: call for performers for open loop >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 00:22:38 -0500 > >Hello... we're doing an open loop again and I'd love you to come and play. > >It's February 11, 3PM to 8PM. >Grand Central Bar >659 Grand St, Brooklyn > >Let me know in advance or just show up. > >It's a nice little space -- no one cares about it and we can do as we >like for a nice long afternoon. I intend to keep the noise levels low >and do long continuous jams -- and I can now record them continuously >I hope without side breaks. > >I'm bringing a 24 input board so there will definitely be room for all >of you. There are also mic stands and I have a mic or two. And it'll >all be recorded direct-to-digital. > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 14:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A156D3BF0E; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAG6p4UOHTAEBAQgKJQ Message-ID: <003301c62807$6a062eb0$0500a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> <6.1.2.0.2.20060201012316.043cdaa0@loopers-delight.com> <7018e4b4d720dfe203e66b5551a0c985@bluecocoa.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.2.20060202003753.050a9150@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: DJRND3 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:46:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-4, 01/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:46:21 +0000 (UTC) > (Kim) - I would be interested to hear from someone who has used a DJRND3. I was able to have a one-on-one demo with Emmanuel in Paris. I was impressed with features, but he did not have Midi control, and no amount of persuading by myself could make him understand why external midi control is so important.... (You cant press buttons when playing violin or guitar)... The DJRND3 was aimed at that time primarilly at the DJ - not live looping musicians. I ended up getting a Repeater in the end during the last week of Electrix's trading, and I'm not sure if I got the one that was made on the Final Friday, but I really wish I hadn't. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 15:27:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2263BF08; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CqHTkZ+kxQhvurakpFV1NqL4Mywn3/7T4M9qDI1VgGmZEKvywv1hYEIGTxbMobHHRisO25K/jsN+OmdnVlBoBdbw/87SAojmCYZdZ+VJQuTtY6B9nhw9ELrFQYWDd4InunHB4v72O49C+zgWlXzqqPLOgfYVINWrj8ZSjB7zqQY= Message-ID: <64b81a780602020727u41ea0401w832498d794fb8ee6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:27:31 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:27:43 +0000 (UTC) While not purely accoustic, my Vortex processes both the magneto-electric signal and piezo-accoustic signal of my Parker guitar. Works just as you'd expect. Frequency response on the Piezo side sounds fine. Of course, you need to get your input levels right as the Vortex's envelope parameter depends on a broad dynamic range on the input to fully do its thing. Todd On 2/2/06, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Hi, > > Did anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar. I've r= ead > excellent reviews of you guys but everyone was using electric ones. > > Just a hint, > > thanks. > > Ariel Rzezak > Bedel=EDa UCES > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 15:45:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB61F3BF06; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,248,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="2080937906:sNHT819375292" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:45:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <4K05WD.A.nIB.bki4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Ariel, I have, and have recorded it that way a time or two. Todd is right about needing a preamp of some sort however. I had a Lakewood M-32 guitar with a Seymour Duncan Sadducer in the bridge which sounded wonderful when preamped and then "Vortexed" (on certain patches). Be sure to make use of the stereo aspect of the Vortex too. It hardly does it justice to run it in mono IMHO. Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Feb 2, 2006, at 5:36 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar From dlopez@ftxs.fujitsu.com Thu Feb 2 16:02:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from bl6-203-19.dsl.telepac.pt (bl6-203-19.dsl.telepac.pt [82.155.203.19]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D91793BF05; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.7 with HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:59:19 -0600 Message-ID: <197q875u.2301842@msn.com> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:59:19 -0600 From: "Rodney Greene" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: pAxX0niLEmpnc87Ubo5ym7FgSCV7gTRrmpfG2PB2EHwYuOzflAA5WCJmxV4QS95C== X-Load: 97% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, contactld@loopers-delight.com, delight@loopers-delight.com, elight@loopers-delight.com, equest@loopers-delight.com, ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, ht@loopers-delight.com, ight@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, oopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, opers-delight@loopers-delight.com, pers-delight@loopers-delight.com, quest@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pre-approved Application #udosL3799148 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_43098288==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_43098288==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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2006 13:19:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Ted and Todd for the the tips. Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: tEd =AE kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Febrero de 2006 12:46 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar Ariel, I have, and have recorded it that way a time or two. Todd is right = about needing a preamp of some sort however. I had a Lakewood M-32 guitar with a Seymour Duncan Sadducer in the bridge which sounded wonderful when preamped and then "Vortexed" (on certain patches). Be sure to make use of the stereo aspect of the Vortex too. It hardly does it justice to run it in mono IMHO. Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Feb 2, 2006, at 5:36 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:16:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EBEC3BF11; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:23:09 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) To: Message-id: <000401c62814$f5691780$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:16:05 +0000 (UTC) I suggest waiting until you receive the Looperlative. After a week with it, you'll probably have grokked the new avenues it takes you on, and better know how to apply your $130. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 > (used)? Just brain-storming here. > > In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the > list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a > Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative, > an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile > Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to > spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) > > I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that > unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently > bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am > impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to > restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit > with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to > generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would > like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:17:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54C893BF0C; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MAdjWPwiIyb9Nuhwvjy3vHbrUrh8cDSnMhGr6A5CJ4wTnMci8C9+241cYwvzLgMxY7SSK9awcSiPasMnHhrPlG/iR0wPOx5iX/m+QXAcacEZf6tv9OthR2WNsX54PXFmqSnEIHe2qHZ1oB2z1Eogga6uFtLRfORN1DTvedRk+as= ; Message-ID: <20060202161731.54955.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:17:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: New Novation Midi Controller To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Novation Remote 25SL I just saw a review of this in Sound-On-Sound magazine. Check out the two LCDs! You can download the editing software if you're interested. http://www.novationmusic.com/product.asp?id=30&Type=1&bArchive=False __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:20:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021C23BF19; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202081522.01a8be98@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:20:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:19:59 +0000 (UTC) At 01:46 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote: >I have a hunch >that average spoken-word sentences are about as long as average bars, >aren't they? More like about four bars. Our speech patterns are why singing your solos while you play can make the solos better. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AFEF3BF1E; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202082020.01c85e90@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:28:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND In-Reply-To: <20060202091457.81947.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680A@earth.uces.edu.ar> <20060202091457.81947.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Anybody knows of other effects processors emulating > pedal steel sounds > besides the vg8? A cheap instrument with a pedal steel sound could be a fretless guitar. Take a cheap old electric guitar, pull the frets with pliers, fill in the grooves with epoxy or wood putting, sand it and restring with flatwound strings. Even cheaper would be to put a nut raiser on the guitar, raise the bridge and get yourself a steel bar like the lap steel players use. Now you have your very own lap steel. Be sure to tune it like a lap steel. If you want the pedal steel bending sound, leave the whammy bar on the guitar. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:29:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FBE13BF1C; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:37:05 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar To: Message-id: <002001c62816$e7069e40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6812@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: <6V1LND.A.hmC.DOj4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:29:55 +0000 (UTC) The Vortex can give you capabilities to powerfully alter the sound of something. But it can also allow you to create very subtle and dynamic effects, that become more noticeable as you play louder and softer. Also, they sound best in a stereo set-up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9AF3BF28; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:56:52 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Kevin! that's some piece of information. Hey! im about to do it! The electric cheapo' i have right now i am using it but as soon as i leave work i am going to buy one.. REEAAAL cheap. Do you have any recommendation on the body? I dont know.. les paul type? strato? sg? The tunning? E9? Do you know what string to buy? Lots of thanks!! Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Febrero de 2006 01:28 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Anybody knows of other effects processors emulating > pedal steel sounds > besides the vg8? A cheap instrument with a pedal steel sound could be a fretless guitar. Take a cheap old electric guitar, pull the frets with pliers, fill in the grooves with epoxy or wood putting, sand it and restring with flatwound strings. Even cheaper would be to put a nut raiser on the guitar, raise the bridge and get yourself a steel bar like the lap steel players use. Now you have your very own lap steel. Be sure to tune it like a lap steel. If you want the pedal steel bending sound, leave the whammy bar on the guitar. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:52:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A843BF0A; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Feb 2006 16:52:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:52:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060202165201.854DBCA0A9@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:52:04 +0000 (UTC) With rare exception, hip hop vocal rhythms are all subdivisions of standard= 4/4 phrasing, and while very musically pleasing (to some, myself=20 included) I would not put them in the same category of rhythmic complexity = as balkan music where the bars constantly change beat length (4/4, 3/ 4, 7/8, 5/8, 2/4, 12/8etc.). I would not consider improvising over a solid= 4/4 beat, where the "one" is rarely in question to be particularly=20 sophisticated (opinion alert). Cheers=20 Joe >Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal=20 > rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very=20 > high throughout the youth culture. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:57:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F49F3BF1C; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,248,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="1904953456:sNHT17408706" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:57:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Real lap steels are pretty cheap. Just FYI. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Kevin! > > that's some piece of information. Hey! im about to do it! > The electric cheapo' i have right now i am using it but as soon as > i leave > work i am going to buy one.. REEAAAL cheap. Do you have any > recommendation > on the body? I dont know.. les paul type? strato? sg? > > The tunning? E9? Do you know what string to buy? > > Lots of thanks!! > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] > Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Febrero de 2006 01:28 p.m. > Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Asunto: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND > > > --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: >> Anybody knows of other effects processors emulating >> pedal steel sounds >> besides the vg8? > > A cheap instrument with a pedal steel sound could be a fretless > guitar. Take a cheap old electric guitar, pull the frets with > pliers, fill in the grooves with epoxy or wood putting, sand it and > restring with flatwound strings. Even cheaper would be to put a nut > raiser on the guitar, raise the bridge and get yourself a steel bar > like the lap steel players use. Now you have your very own lap > steel. Be sure to tune it like a lap steel. If you want the pedal > steel bending sound, leave the whammy bar on the guitar. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 16:59:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C4673BF30; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6814@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:08:46 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Maybe in the states or in europe.. not here in Buenos Aires. At least i dont know where to find them cheap and i asked alrady some people in the market. Ariel Rzezak Bedelia UCES Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Kelly Coyle [mailto:kellycoyle@charter.net] Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Febrero de 2006 01:58 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND Real lap steels are pretty cheap. Just FYI. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Kevin! > > that's some piece of information. Hey! im about to do it! > The electric cheapo' i have right now i am using it but as soon as > i leave > work i am going to buy one.. REEAAAL cheap. Do you have any > recommendation > on the body? I dont know.. les paul type? strato? sg? > > The tunning? E9? Do you know what string to buy? > > Lots of thanks!! > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] > Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Febrero de 2006 01:28 p.m. > Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Asunto: RE: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND > > > --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: >> Anybody knows of other effects processors emulating >> pedal steel sounds >> besides the vg8? > > A cheap instrument with a pedal steel sound could be a fretless > guitar. Take a cheap old electric guitar, pull the frets with > pliers, fill in the grooves with epoxy or wood putting, sand it and > restring with flatwound strings. Even cheaper would be to put a nut > raiser on the guitar, raise the bridge and get yourself a steel bar > like the lap steel players use. Now you have your very own lap > steel. Be sure to tune it like a lap steel. If you want the pedal > steel bending sound, leave the whammy bar on the guitar. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 17:01:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C543BF3B; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UxWIRNjN+4QjzepWtAtIJJ74RBGeb/KLb2eszmkmtn5ULDLROVU+VBocX13oS8MQ3uk4XbLLzxVlaKhYE2IT61S6Gf7msujD1wcCUUckz7y5EdwdoSt78AfJvMjwA+DApFmS8byyF1HcSVxqcfxIXh+AoVy8VWtg+bhF0YABLjA= Message-ID: <146cdfa70602020900u45150274k@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:00:59 +0100 From: Marco Ronci To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11591_6676434.1138899659669" References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11591_6676434.1138899659669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ariel, If you want to go fretless take a look to http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=3Dunfretting and... good luck!! Marco ------=_Part_11591_6676434.1138899659669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ariel,
If you want to go fretless take a look to http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK= =3Dunfretting and... good luck!!
Marco

------=_Part_11591_6676434.1138899659669-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 17:03:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6857A3BF44; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1138899786!29979613!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D90@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Novation Midi Controller Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:03:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6281A.87656DF0" Resent-Message-ID: <6fH9G.A.b5D.utj4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:03:42 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6281A.87656DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>http://www.novationmusic.com/product.asp?id=30&Type=1&bArchive=False<< sweet.... but I bet inside three months behringer have one out with motorised faders for half the price..... :-) d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6281A.87656DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Novation Midi Controller

>>http://www.novationmusic.com/product.asp?id=3D30&Type=3D= 1&bArchive=3DFalse<<

sweet.... but I bet inside three months behringer = have one out with motorised faders for half the price..... :-)

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6281A.87656DF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 17:54:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9350A3BF12; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <43E2470D.1060608@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:53:17 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6813@earth.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:54:04 +0000 (UTC) If anyone needs such a Nut Raiser, I have one lying around here which I don't use anymore. I would give it away for the shipping cost or something nice like some picks. It's a nice thing to try out some lap steel playing., but it wasn't my cup of tea :) - Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 18:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8313BF14; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c62823$9bca7160$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000401c62814$f5691780$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:08:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 461, in=214678, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:08:16 +0000 (UTC) I figured it out....a 1gig compact flast card for my M-Audio recorder! :) I forgot about that minor detail. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) >I suggest waiting until you receive the Looperlative. After a week with >it, > you'll probably have grokked the new avenues it takes you on, and better > know how to apply your $130. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM > Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > > >> So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 >> (used)? Just brain-storming here. >> >> In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the >> list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, >> and > a >> Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the >> Looperlative, >> an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 > Mobile >> Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to >> spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) >> >> I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on >> that >> unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I > recently >> bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am >> impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to >> restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit >> with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to >> generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they >> would >> like to share? 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202081522.01a8be98@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:50:42 +0000 (UTC) You are so right my friend. I often realize that when my soloing becomes "noodling" it's when I'm not paying attention to phrasing. Singing in your head (or softly out loud) is a great way of keeping on top of this. Makes all the difference. Mark --- Kevin wrote: > > More like about four bars. Our speech patterns are > why singing your > solos while you play can make the solos better. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:03:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA7E03BF1A; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KazDQx8bbuI1Ns/5CSSPCWjJwIveJNmPbw8CMJtT27Zea1nZnn5jD/22NWoAGZkFe9jS7n/gfp2P3IqAc1EArr+OY/1L8RK1SfI6M0hXts9OwC9syHC7Yf1qNtZdJk/tHvTM+6x3FpGtsjADx/6o+VVDP0dUAVKNhfxze10YtB0= ; Message-ID: <20060202200304.90476.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1269665382-1138910584=:90128" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:03:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1269665382-1138910584=:90128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit you lucky son of a gun...everyone needs an e-bow & slide.enuff left for psilocybe 3-D glasses. or not. sdcaanrnyy Kris Hartung wrote: So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 (used)? Just brain-storming here. In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative, an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1269665382-1138910584=:90128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
you lucky son of a gun...everyone needs an e-bow & slide.enuff left for psilocybe 3-D glasses.
             or not.
                       sdcaanrnyy

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130
(used)? Just brain-storming here.

In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the
list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a
Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative,
an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile
Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to
spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :)

I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that
unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently
bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am
impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to
restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit
with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to
generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would
like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own.

Kris

*************************************************
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com



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With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1269665382-1138910584=:90128-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:06:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5912B3BF1D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nR34pCL+QrWr0LppmdYqt+MNvwZCTYv+4UfD41ebfMqhEmlYVPjqtwC2N5XNHseXoa/EnpXwuyLL54xwXlZFv0JfpmwlAzNeldjE49xChq6lMENIfHiiWK5t5ST7jtW9dTPlXs8DRUWyQLP0uHD0IeSbUHZBdc2epYOHRitGkF8= ; Message-ID: <20060202200640.91658.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201224108.01b2b8c0@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1746405057-1138910800=:89707" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:06:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-1746405057-1138910800=:89707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill Kevin wrote: At 06:47 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm >http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html >This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world >rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is >sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study >of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's >irresponsible to publish tripe like this. I'd like to see the study re-done to include white and black teenagers who listen to hiphop. Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very high throughout the youth culture. PS: I'm Canadian. ;-) Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettle.com --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos --0-1746405057-1138910800=:89707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill


Kevin <kevin@TheNettles.com> wrote:
At 06:47 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
>Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm
>http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html
>This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world
>rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is
>sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study
>of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's
>irresponsible to publish tripe like this.

I'd like to see the study re-done to include white and black
teenagers who listen to hiphop. Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal
rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very high
throughout the youth culture.

PS: I'm Canadian. ;-)

Cheers,
Kevin
www.TheNettle.com



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Autos --0-1746405057-1138910800=:89707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ACC53BF0F; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <353804.1138911798167.JavaMail.root@web22> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:23:18 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Cc: Kris Hartung Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Where did you find a ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp? eBay? Also, I thought the Looperlative wasn't available yet. Did you purchase it to be on the initial receiving list? Regards, Paul Richards ---- Kris Hartung wrote: > I figured it out....a 1gig compact flast card for my M-Audio recorder! :) I > forgot about that minor detail. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > > > >I suggest waiting until you receive the Looperlative. After a week with > >it, > > you'll probably have grokked the new avenues it takes you on, and better > > know how to apply your $130. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kris Hartung" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM > > Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > > > > > >> So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 > >> (used)? Just brain-storming here. > >> > >> In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the > >> list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, > >> and > > a > >> Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the > >> Looperlative, > >> an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 > > Mobile > >> Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to > >> spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) > >> > >> I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on > >> that > >> unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I > > recently > >> bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am > >> impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to > >> restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit > >> with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to > >> generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they > >> would > >> like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ************************************************* > >> Krispen Hartung > >> http://www.krispenhartung.com > >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > >> Performance Calendar: > >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:23:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231033BF1F; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a501c62836$8b960e90$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060202200304.90476.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:23:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C627FB.DE5FC250" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.950000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Aspam=-0.8,Hiding url *http=1.4 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=210058, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:23:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C627FB.DE5FC250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a slide from when I played in a country band a few years ago (I = used it for "Freebird"...no shit, we played that tune to satisfy the = masses, and it was quite fun...I wore my fingers raw playing the solos = at the end, however), but the eBow is a good point. The question is, how = many other loopers will I sound like if I starting using this device? :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) you lucky son of a gun...everyone needs an e-bow & slide.enuff left = for psilocybe 3-D glasses. or not. sdcaanrnyy Kris Hartung wrote: So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for = $130=20 (used)? Just brain-storming here. In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on = the=20 list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink = recorder, and a=20 Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the = Looperlative,=20 an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack = 2496 Mobile=20 Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I = have to=20 spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb = on that=20 unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I = recently=20 bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am=20 impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able = to=20 restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the = unit=20 with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to = generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they = would=20 like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C627FB.DE5FC250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've got a slide from when I played in = a country=20 band a few years ago (I used it for "Freebird"...no shit, we played that = tune to=20 satisfy the masses, and it was quite fun...I wore my fingers raw playing = the=20 solos at the end, however), but the eBow is a good point. The question = is, how=20 many other loopers will I sound like if I starting using this device?=20 :)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 daniel=20 stevenson
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, February 02, = 2006 1:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: The coolest piece = of gear I=20 can buy for $130 (used)

you lucky son of a gun...everyone needs an e-bow & = slide.enuff left=20 for psilocybe 3-D glasses.
=
           &n= bsp;=20 or not.
=
           &n= bsp;          =20 sdcaanrnyy

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
So,=20 what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for = $130=20
(used)? Just brain-storming here.

In the last few days, = based on=20 some great interaction from folks on the
list, I've sold my EDPs = and=20 controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a
Furman Power=20 Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative,
an = ADA=20 Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 = Mobile=20
Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I = have to=20
spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. = :)

I=20 thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on = that=20
unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of = which, I=20 recently
bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon = LXP-5, and I=20 am
impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I = was able=20 to
restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings = on the=20 unit
with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking = forward=20 to
generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 = patches they=20 would
like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of = my=20 = own.

Kris

*************************************************=
Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:=20 =
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKris= pen%20Hartung
Discography=20 - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
Text message me at=20 2087245603@cingularME.com



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REEAAAL cheap. Do you have any recommendation on the body? I dont know.. les paul type? strato? sg? > > The tunning? E9? Do you know what string to buy? Sorry, I don't have one so I'm not the best person to get advice from. I've tried a real pedal steal and it's not yet for me. The guitar must fit comfortably in your lap with your right hand using finger picks and your left hand using the steel bar. Here's a good link: http://www.folkofthewood.com/page2471.htm Good luck! Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:29:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8065C3BEE1; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c62837$4f3714c0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <353804.1138911798167.JavaMail.root@web22> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:29:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=210070, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Yup, on eBaby...got it for $130. The Looperlatives aren't available yet, not for a month or so, but I paid for mine in full. I can't be trusted with that sort of money sitting in my PayPal account...I may sleepwalk down to my computer and buy a crap load of gear in my sleep. There is a guy on the ADA Depot website selling a bunch of gear, Microtube included...he offerred to sell it to me for $150. I can send you his email if you are interested. It was in excellent shape. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Kris Hartung" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > Where did you find a ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp? eBay? > > Also, I thought the Looperlative wasn't available yet. Did you purchase it > to be on the initial receiving list? > > Regards, > > Paul Richards > > ---- Kris Hartung wrote: >> I figured it out....a 1gig compact flast card for my M-Audio recorder! >> :) I >> forgot about that minor detail. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Kirkdorffer" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:23 AM >> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) >> >> >> >I suggest waiting until you receive the Looperlative. After a week with >> >it, >> > you'll probably have grokked the new avenues it takes you on, and >> > better >> > know how to apply your $130. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kris Hartung" >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM >> > Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) >> > >> > >> >> So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for >> >> $130 >> >> (used)? Just brain-storming here. >> >> >> >> In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on >> >> the >> >> list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, >> >> and >> > a >> >> Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the >> >> Looperlative, >> >> an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 >> > Mobile >> >> Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have >> >> to >> >> spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) >> >> >> >> I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on >> >> that >> >> unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I >> > recently >> >> bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am >> >> impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able >> >> to >> >> restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the >> >> unit >> >> with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to >> >> generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they >> >> would >> >> like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> >> Krispen Hartung >> >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >> >> Performance Calendar: >> >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung >> >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D55E3BF0D; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2391.128.193.37.212.1138912269.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fwd: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US...] From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <9leQ9C.A.9uC.Qwm4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:31:12 +0000 (UTC) > With rare exception, hip hop vocal rhythms are all subdivisions of standard 4/4 phrasing... > I would not put them in the same category of rhythmic complexity as balkan music where the bars constantly change beat length (4/4, 3/ 4, 7/8, 5/8, 2/4, 12/8etc.). I would not consider improvising over a solid 4/4 beat, where the "one" is rarely in question to be particularly sophisticated (opinion alert). Well, I've played Balkan and I humbly disagree altho your mileage may vary. In Balkan the bars don't always constantly change meter, they're usually in a standard odd meter that continues thoughout the tune. Think of Ivo Papasov as an example--yes he's a pop star but pop stars are what most people listen to. Once you're in the odd meter you don't really venture out of it--you have neither syncopation nor polyrhythm in the stuff I've played. YMMV, of course. In hiphop polyrhythm is often used, together with push-pull of the beat and syncopation of the most amazing kind. There is a lot of improv in hiphop but some of the rhymes have obviously been very carefully composed. The European tradition gave harmonic sophistication to the world. The African and South Asian traditions gave rhythmic sophistication to the world. All three gave very strong melodic sophistication, of course. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:32:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 579C73BF23; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,248,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="2074445900:sNHT17986644" In-Reply-To: <2364.128.193.37.212.1138912132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <2364.128.193.37.212.1138912132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5987F8FD-2704-4E89-A895-D75020D90427@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Roland VG8 and PEDAL STEEL SOUND Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:32:17 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:32:25 +0000 (UTC) http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/steel.html Every tuning ever devised is on there somewhere. You artist types might enjoy William Leavitt's tuning -- it allows almost any interval to be played with a flat bar. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:28 PM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> The electric cheapo' i have right now i am using it but as soon as >> i leave > work i am going to buy one.. REEAAAL cheap. Do you have any > recommendation > on the body? I dont know.. les paul type? strato? sg? >> >> The tunning? E9? Do you know what string to buy? > > Sorry, I don't have one so I'm not the best person to get advice > from. I've > tried a real pedal steal and it's not yet for me. The guitar must fit > comfortably in your lap with your right hand using finger picks and > your left > hand using the steel bar. > > Here's a good link: > http://www.folkofthewood.com/page2471.htm > > Good luck! > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:36:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91DE63BF2B; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z83G3ym2iw1o1eFA5xIwvR5aoDXrY+nBxaHuMBJV3QetOX3nYUihh2bYdLRQLPsdXafmS1ezf/WagSE7i//xhMOF1Z5llcf4dpP5Ti4YwJMrNv4oQjWkLjU/qAMCm9KCKE57+bgh0zLBXZbndqQlFJvdDYaaFApKxUl1F23fbCg= ; Message-ID: <20060202203607.43765.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00a501c62836$8b960e90$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-847811293-1138912567=:29688" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:36:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-847811293-1138912567=:29688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit heh heh country band...you are forgivin this transgression.lol...loopers are like snowflakes no two are alike...i cant play the same song twice nor would i try. who needs that headache?lol. good question. public enemy # 9#9#9 (yoko screaming in the backround) Kris Hartung wrote: I've got a slide from when I played in a country band a few years ago (I used it for "Freebird"...no shit, we played that tune to satisfy the masses, and it was quite fun...I wore my fingers raw playing the solos at the end, however), but the eBow is a good point. The question is, how many other loopers will I sound like if I starting using this device? :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) you lucky son of a gun...everyone needs an e-bow & slide.enuff left for psilocybe 3-D glasses. or not. sdcaanrnyy Kris Hartung wrote: So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 (used)? Just brain-storming here. In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative, an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-847811293-1138912567=:29688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
heh heh country band...you are forgivin this transgression.lol...loopers are like snowflakes no two are alike...i cant play the same song twice nor would i try.
who needs that headache?lol.
                             good question.
                                                 public enemy # 9#9#9 (yoko screaming in the backround)
 
                             

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
I've got a slide from when I played in a country band a few years ago (I used it for "Freebird"...no shit, we played that tune to satisfy the masses, and it was quite fun...I wore my fingers raw playing the solos at the end, however), but the eBow is a good point. The question is, how many other loopers will I sound like if I starting using this device? :)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used)

you lucky son of a gun...everyone needs an e-bow & slide.enuff left for psilocybe 3-D glasses.
             or not.
                       sdcaanrnyy

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130
(used)? Just brain-storming here.

In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the
list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a
Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative,
an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile
Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to
spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :)

I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that
unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently
bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am
impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to
restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit
with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to
generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would
like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own.

Kris

*************************************************
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
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Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-847811293-1138912567=:29688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:36:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F74E3BF2E; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HPEpYkUgqp2nmDFcuHnt4uiXS9EuFUTpzim6IkjgSJFwbxx7ane1H9GeRxALxUCYGKVS0YdsBHi6INxAc0pxLMoZFQd6PxKUWBg+9WwmSwIwXsXSEKq/7wB4eIB8xx4AB/aa6TaqOHgug4788JXeeFANVKUvHoBbqdBL6U1pi38= ; Message-ID: <20060202203627.59865.qmail@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b301c62837$4f3714c0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-751513446-1138912586=:59456" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:36:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-751513446-1138912586=:59456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Kris: Yeah. Thanks. If you get a chance, I'd appreciate it. Regards Paul Kris Hartung wrote: Yup, on eBaby...got it for $130. The Looperlatives aren't available yet, not for a month or so, but I paid for mine in full. I can't be trusted with that sort of money sitting in my PayPal account...I may sleepwalk down to my computer and buy a crap load of gear in my sleep. There is a guy on the ADA Depot website selling a bunch of gear, Microtube included...he offerred to sell it to me for $150. I can send you his email if you are interested. It was in excellent shape. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Kris Hartung" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > Where did you find a ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp? eBay? > > Also, I thought the Looperlative wasn't available yet. Did you purchase it > to be on the initial receiving list? > > Regards, > > Paul Richards > > ---- Kris Hartung wrote: >> I figured it out....a 1gig compact flast card for my M-Audio recorder! >> :) I >> forgot about that minor detail. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Kirkdorffer" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:23 AM >> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) >> >> >> >I suggest waiting until you receive the Looperlative. After a week with >> >it, >> > you'll probably have grokked the new avenues it takes you on, and >> > better >> > know how to apply your $130. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kris Hartung" >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM >> > Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) >> > >> > >> >> So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for >> >> $130 >> >> (used)? Just brain-storming here. >> >> >> >> In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on >> >> the >> >> list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, >> >> and >> > a >> >> Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the >> >> Looperlative, >> >> an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 >> > Mobile >> >> Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have >> >> to >> >> spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) >> >> >> >> I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on >> >> that >> >> unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I >> > recently >> >> bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am >> >> impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able >> >> to >> >> restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the >> >> unit >> >> with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to >> >> generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they >> >> would >> >> like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> >> Krispen Hartung >> >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >> >> Performance Calendar: >> >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung >> >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-751513446-1138912586=:59456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Kris:
 
Yeah. Thanks. If you get a chance, I'd appreciate it.
 
Regards Paul

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Yup, on eBaby...got it for $130. The Looperlatives aren't available yet,
not for a month or so, but I paid for mine in full. I can't be trusted with
that sort of money sitting in my PayPal account...I may sleepwalk down to my
computer and buy a crap load of gear in my sleep.

There is a guy on the ADA Depot website selling a bunch of gear, Microtube
included...he offerred to sell it to me for $150. I can send you his email
if you are interested. It was in excellent shape.

K-
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc: "Kris Hartung"
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used)


> Where did you find a ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp? eBay?
>
> Also, I thought the Looperlative wasn't available yet. Did you purchase it
> to be on the initial receiving list?
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Richards
>
> ---- Kris Hartung wrote:
>> I figured it out....a 1gig compact flast card for my M-Audio recorder!
>> :) I
>> forgot about that minor detail.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Kirkdorffer"
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used)
>>
>>
>> >I suggest waiting until you receive the Looperlative. After a week with
>> >it,
>> > you'll probably have grokked the new avenues it takes you on, and
>> > better
>> > know how to apply your $130.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Kris Hartung"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM
>> > Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used)
>> >
>> >
>> >> So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for
>> >> $130
>> >> (used)? Just brain-storming here.
>> >>
>> >> In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on
>> >> the
>> >> list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder,
>> >> and
>> > a
>> >> Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the
>> >> Looperlative,
>> >> an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496
>> > Mobile
>> >> Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have
>> >> to
>> >> spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :)
>> >>
>> >> I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on
>> >> that
>> >> unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I
>> > recently
>> >> bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am
>> >> impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able
>> >> to
>> >> restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the
>> >> unit
>> >> with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to
>> >> generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they
>> >> would
>> >> like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own.
>> >>
>> >> Kris
>> >>
>> >> *************************************************
>> >> Krispen Hartung
>> >> http://www.krispenhartung.com
>> >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
>> >> Performance Calendar:
>> >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung
>> >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
>> >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: matthew.quinn@sunlife.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:23:13 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 02/02/2006 03:37:07 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6FFCB2091X02079958-21-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, New to the list, but I've been looping for a long time now................. 'sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill' ^^^You can't be serious. Being that loopers are IMO generally at the forefront of emerging music & technology, I am surprised to see someone here say something like that. Redundant & Childish? There certainly is terrible hip-hop out there (and terrible rock.....and terrible blues.......and terrible Country....etc etc), but there is LOADS & loads of mindblowing hip hop as well. As a matter of fact, I'd say hip-hop currently features the greatest lyric writers of the modern music era- this generations Bob Dylan will be an MC, fo sure. Bad music does not respect the boundaries of genre- to lump all hip hop together is like lumping Sum 41 into the same breath as The Beatles. "daniel stevenson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 02/02/2006 03:06 PM Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Please respond to Loopers-Delight sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill Kevin wrote: At 06:47 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm >http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html >This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world >rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is >sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study >of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's >irresponsible to publish tripe like this. I'd like to see the study re-done to include white and black teenagers who listen to hiphop. Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very high throughout the youth culture. PS: I'm Canadian. ;-) Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettle.com What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:40:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3843F3BF36; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2490.128.193.37.212.1138912817.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20060202200640.91658.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201224108.01b2b8c0@TheNettles.com> <20060202200640.91658.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:40:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:40:19 +0000 (UTC) > sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill Hiphop's now twenty-five to thirty years old, so like most adults in my neighborhood, I don't think it's going to go away because you disapprove of it. Besides the same thing's been said about just about every new music that's come up: rock, jazz, waltzes, Broadway show tunes, ambient, looping... Hey, Stravinsky's music started a _riot_. Guess we're just gonna have to live with it. ;-) This is kind of long-winded but please let's not start a thread about the music each of us hates. I've seen this thread on just about every forum I've ever been on and it's boring. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 20:53:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE1C23BF12; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vFMECcEcmwJCKzdKsWtS3QffBGNt1r8WT7uGBLjepBlJhqMM+Fl88Y1zUlFFxjh3Jxqgr3E228TpVBXy00+1s4tTZWutDaVa/nYVNIiABahTTLp+UCjtD/VjmTVnJpkbQ4mupv4SRjBuFbE7iJGvclRYRnqiei16xxOtjC7QXW0= ; Message-ID: <20060202205338.63642.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-862864576-1138913618=:62954" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-862864576-1138913618=:62954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit heh heh.its true, im never serious...and im never politically correct.the only good hip hopper is a dead hip hopper.shall i make a list?lol... i do like the division it has created in america and the world in general.so i guess kudos to h/h and the dulled down masses who enjoy it. matthew.quinn@sunlife.com wrote: Hello all, New to the list, but I've been looping for a long time now................. 'sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill' ^^^You can't be serious. Being that loopers are IMO generally at the forefront of emerging music & technology, I am surprised to see someone here say something like that. Redundant & Childish? There certainly is terrible hip-hop out there (and terrible rock.....and terrible blues.......and terrible Country....etc etc), but there is LOADS & loads of mindblowing hip hop as well. As a matter of fact, I'd say hip-hop currently features the greatest lyric writers of the modern music era- this generations Bob Dylan will be an MC, fo sure. Bad music does not respect the boundaries of genre- to lump all hip hop together is like lumping Sum 41 into the same breath as The Beatles. "daniel stevenson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 02/02/2006 03:06 PM Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Please respond to Loopers-Delight sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the bill Kevin wrote: At 06:47 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: >Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm >http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html >This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world >rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is >sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study >of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's >irresponsible to publish tripe like this. I'd like to see the study re-done to include white and black teenagers who listen to hiphop. Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very high throughout the youth culture. PS: I'm Canadian. ;-) Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettle.com What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! 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Mail. --0-862864576-1138913618=:62954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit heh heh.its true, im never serious...and im never politically correct.the only good hip hopper is a dead hip hopper.shall i make a list?lol... i do like the division it has created in america and the world in general.so i guess kudos to h/h and the dulled down masses who enjoy it.

matthew.quinn@sunlife.com wrote:
Hello all,

New to the list, but I've been looping for a long time now.................


'sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the
bill'

^^^You can't be serious. Being that loopers are IMO generally at the
forefront of emerging music & technology, I am surprised to see someone
here say something like that. Redundant & Childish? There certainly is
terrible hip-hop out there (and terrible rock.....and terrible
blues.......and terrible Country....etc etc), but there is LOADS & loads of
mindblowing hip hop as well. As a matter of fact, I'd say hip-hop currently
features the greatest lyric writers of the modern music era- this
generations Bob Dylan will be an MC, fo sure. Bad music does not respect
the boundaries of genre- to lump all hip hop together is like lumping Sum
41 into the same breath as The Beatles.









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02/02/2006 03:06 PM Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US...
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sophistication & hip hop are not cohesive...redundant & childish fit the
bill


Kevin wrote:
At 06:47 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
>Study: Why Americans Have Bad Rhythm
>http://www.livescience.com/othernews/050207_music_beat.html
>This is all a long winded way of saying that the study of world
>rhythm and how it's performed and felt: how and in which ways it is
>sophisticated is just too complex a phenomena to put down to a study
>of 75 balkan immigrants and presumably white Canadians and it's
>irresponsible to publish tripe like this.

I'd like to see the study re-done to include white and black
teenagers who listen to hiphop. Like or loathe it, hiphop's vocal
rhythms are often very sophisticated and its popularity is very high
throughout the youth culture.

PS: I'm Canadian. ;-)

Cheers,
Kevin
www.TheNettle.com





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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-862864576-1138913618=:62954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 21:48:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A36393BF00; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00de01c62842$6d613ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:48:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Joe Rut wrote: "With rare exception, hip hop vocal rhythms are all subdivisions of standard 4/4 phrasing, and while very musically pleasing (to some, myself included) I would not put them in the same category of rhythmic complexity as balkan music where the bars constantly change beat length (4/4, 3/ 4, 7/8, 5/8, 2/4, 12/8etc.)." Then you missed my earlier point, Joe. I've met many a middleeastern and balkan musician who did not understand the underlying principles of hip hop rhythms in 4/4. The complexity is intrinsic to the music. Again, I site a Timbaland production of Missy Elliot.....................there is incredible complexity in some of those rhythms in 4/4 and it takes a very sophisticated drummer to duplicate something like that live. What follows is a long winded but hopefully illucidating example of my point: When I was first learning Samba as a bone head rock and soul drummer, I went to my teacher, Russ Tincher and said, "I've practised and practised these rhythms and although I can play them, they don't feel very good or soulful". I'll never forgot what he told me: "Rick can you play rock and roll?" "Can you play rock and roll in your sleep?" < of course, I can> "Samba, Rick, is the rock and roll of Brazil. These guys play the same set of rhythms over and over and over the way you played rock and roll over and over and over" He said, "If you want to be able to play Samba well, I would advise that ever where you go that you play the Samba foot pattern over and over...............if you are standing in line......................taking a bus.......................watching television...........make your feet move constantly in that pattern over and over." I took his advice and low and behold, I became a pretty good Samba player after a couple of months. The point is that Balkan musicians have the same neurophysiological limitations that we do in 'North America'. They are not intrinsically more sophisticated rhythmically than we are. They just play rhythms that are in odd time signatures and have been doing it since they were little boys (no unconcious sexism here, women just don't play the drums in that culture) Additionally, the folk musics of the Balkan countries are very, very simple outside of the fact that they are not in 4/4. They repeat endlessly........................When I first got excited about playing music like that I was shocked to find that I would get really bored playing for dancers because the rhythms were (and needed to be) very repetitive and also go on for much longer than we are used to in Western dance clubs. The rhythmic variety of a typical hip hop gig was far more interesting from a rhythmatists' standpoint, imnsho Joe also wrote: "I would not consider improvising over a solid 4/4 beat, where the "one" is rarely in question to be particularly sophisticated (opinion alert)." Ahhhhh, let me show you some classical Indian subdivision and polythrhythmic improvisatory exercises that will make you take that opinion back ********** By the way, if soloing over 7/8 seems daunting write me off list and I'll show you some really simple exercises to get free in that rhythmic space........................you'll see that it is actually no more complicated than playing in 4/4..............you just haven't done it since you were a kid like they have there. One piece of advice if people find anything difficult..................burn a CD with the feel in a song that you are not getting and play the song over and over and over in your car......................every day ...............every time you are in your car...............in two or three days you'll get it, I promise you. That's how I learned the authentic Batucada feel of street Samba. I put Bateria Nota 6 on a both sides of a cassette and played it over and over for an entire week.................bang, works like wonder. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 22:03:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9963BF07; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1456.128.193.37.212.1138917793.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <00de01c62842$6d613ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00de01c62842$6d613ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:03:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <05yh3.A.UrF.jGo4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) > By the way, if soloing over 7/8 seems daunting write me off list and I'll > show you some really simple exercises > to get free in that rhythmic space........................you'll see that it > is actually no more complicated than playing in 4/4..............you just > haven't done it since you were a kid like they have there. You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't count in numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech centers. Just about all European odd meters can be broken down into groups of two and three beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the three beats say "Gamela". So for two seven beat patterns: Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... or Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... If you ever hear Garaj Mahal perform "Poodle Factory" live, you'll hear this to hilarious effect. They get the _whole_ audience to sing along at the maximum physically possible tempo the following loop: Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory Poodle factory, poodle factory, poodle factory which a musicologist might call three bars of 11/4 followed by three bars of 5/4. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 22:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CDE93BEFC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VwkWkV+AlTF6DGp78QHUzYVKAWAmg00xuEA1H0AdK5ZeZ0izFX1Vl16K/fFZX2k5KFDNvSNcbbKkQYAUFiLPZikICF2SghyClt55fX4uO7OtyAhuRU2JeKxmd1mEqSQZFGcssnZem0sRovBty2Hp4n77JtVlLeUTRYMNT+gSYTs= ; Message-ID: <20060202222301.92552.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Myspace.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680F@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:23:06 +0000 (UTC) --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > i really liked Xylem and Leaf. 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looping in US... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:44:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 124, in=76450, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Interesting conversation! Something bizarre happened to me when I started looping in the free improv context. Before that, I had played mostly in 4/4, 3/4, and 6/8 time because of my jazz background (I love 6/8 by the way....Footprints, is a good example), and in the early 90's when I was playing in a power trio I was doing very technical progressive rock originals in 7/8, 11/8, etc. However, when I started improv looping, one night I realized that I had stopped thinking about time signature, entirely. I merely sat down, started playing and whatever happened, happened....in the case where I was looping repeatable rhythms, I had no idea was time signature I was playing in, and I didn't really care...it was un-important. Then a percussionist started playing with me and he suggested how hard it was to play to my rhythmic loops, and I gathered this some nights when I'd look over at him, and he would be counting under his breath or had a puzzled look on his face. It turned out that I was looping in very odd time signatures, such as 13/8, 11/8, 9/8, or what he humorously suggested one time, 11 1/2 / 8, which would be 23/8. I had no idea I was doing this, but I was able to loop this way and improvise and solo over my material with no problem. But it was killing Vinnie! On the flip side, if you played a 13/8 progression to me and told me to improvise over it, it would somehow seem harder, because then I would be conscious of the odd time signature and would be trying to mold to it...yet when I unconsciously loop my own odd time signatures, all difficulties disappear....I don't mold to the rhythm, but become a part of it. It is almost as if I obtain this holistic perception of the odd time signature...feeling it as a whole rather than trying to analyze it's pieces. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... >> By the way, if soloing over 7/8 seems daunting write me off list and >> I'll >> show you some really simple exercises >> to get free in that rhythmic space........................you'll see that >> it >> is actually no more complicated than playing in 4/4..............you just >> haven't done it since you were a kid like they have there. > > You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't count > in > numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech centers. > Just > about all European odd meters can be broken down into groups of two and > three > beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the three beats say "Gamela". > So > for two seven beat patterns: > > Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... > or > Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... > > If you ever hear Garaj Mahal perform "Poodle Factory" live, you'll hear > this > to hilarious effect. They get the _whole_ audience to sing along at the > maximum physically possible tempo the following loop: > > Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory > Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory > Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory > Poodle factory, poodle factory, poodle factory > > which a musicologist might call three bars of 11/4 followed by three bars > of 5/4. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 22:57:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44BE93BF16; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:57:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0f7a01c627ba$3bcf9ce0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Not that I have to spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) A Tone of Diapers, I bet that sounds awful:) -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for $130 (used)? Just brain-storming here. In the last few days, based on some great interaction from folks on the list, I've sold my EDPs and controller, my Alesis Masterlink recorder, and a Furman Power Conditioner...and I've used my funds to buy the Looperlative, an ADA Microtube 100 guitar poweramp, and the M-Audio Microtrack 2496 Mobile Digital Recorder. Somehow, I ended up with a surplus. Not that I have to spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) I thought of buying another Lexicon LXP-1, since I love the reverb on that unit so much, and I could use it as a backup...speaking of which, I recently bought the UniQuest software to program my Lexicon LXP-5, and I am impressed! Wow, what a relief for programming that unit. I was able to restore the factory presets to my user banks, tweak settings on the unit with the software, safe them, etc. Very cool. I'm looking forward to generating some new patches. Does anyone have any LXP5 patches they would like to share? Perhaps we can swap once I develop some of my own. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From goldman@irc.inuvialuit.com Thu Feb 2 23:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 217-162-111-60.dclient.hispeed.ch (217-162-111-60.dclient.hispeed.ch [217.162.111.60]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 17BFE3BF0A; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.9 with HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:03:50 -0600 Message-ID: <876k814v.3195977@msn.com> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:03:50 -0600 From: "Hilary Phipps" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: gKcyHaYCZO6yUeDVbLRO0i3czMLMzun5bZW3gmthB3PaaPkbeIlSGLmNP0kuzsfj== X-Load: 07% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, rs-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re-finance at the lowestt ratess Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_55204956==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_55204956==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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b=uEnNLsvWywP7PrHNvWtcaBzgOieaRSK6htBQ8vKvdyRkFCNdnyBIMuf4JKG9of85UalUFsxxRlFK9E8Gx63JF0gxA2TVYcrS/pA5Qz5Xqu/0sfG3jE43gGkjclWYtP6nixge3TiOwxiWYLbr9+Ougfm9pa7JobsD3tz2gHpb6w8= ; Message-ID: <20060202230743.97785.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:07:43 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010001c6284a$4b4df910$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:07:51 +0000 (UTC) hehe that's my approach. i don't bother with counting when i can help it, just feel and play. looping is perhaps cheating in that sense, because you don't have to play the same thing twice and whatever rhythm you're trying to keep is locked in for you for the most part. as far as hip hop goes, i used to play in a hip hop band. most everything is in 4/4 but there's a lot of little rhythmic complexities/interlocking parts going on in there. especially when you have beat-makers using MPCs and creating non-standard (and often unplayable) hi hat patterns, drum patterns, or whatever, which is exactly what the neptunes do and charge millions of dollars for. i agree that it's not exactly rocket science but the aesthetic is all about feel and groove, being a little behind the beat or whatever, and therein lie the intricacies. that said, i'm no longer in a hip hop band because, quite frankly, it got boring. --- Kris Hartung wrote: > Interesting conversation! Something bizarre > happened to me when I started > looping in the free improv context. Before that, I > had played mostly in 4/4, > 3/4, and 6/8 time because of my jazz background (I > love 6/8 by the > way....Footprints, is a good example), and in the > early 90's when I was > playing in a power trio I was doing very technical > progressive rock > originals in 7/8, 11/8, etc. However, when I > started improv looping, one > night I realized that I had stopped thinking about > time signature, entirely. > I merely sat down, started playing and whatever > happened, happened....in the > case where I was looping repeatable rhythms, I had > no idea was time > signature I was playing in, and I didn't really > care...it was un-important. > Then a percussionist started playing with me and he > suggested how hard it > was to play to my rhythmic loops, and I gathered > this some nights when I'd > look over at him, and he would be counting under his > breath or had a puzzled > look on his face. It turned out that I was looping > in very odd time > signatures, such as 13/8, 11/8, 9/8, or what he > humorously suggested one > time, 11 1/2 / 8, which would be 23/8. I had no > idea I was doing this, but > I was able to loop this way and improvise and solo > over my material with no > problem. But it was killing Vinnie! On the flip > side, if you played a 13/8 > progression to me and told me to improvise over it, > it would somehow seem > harder, because then I would be conscious of the odd > time signature and > would be trying to mold to it...yet when I > unconsciously loop my own odd > time signatures, all difficulties disappear....I > don't mold to the rhythm, > but become a part of it. It is almost as if I obtain > this holistic > perception of the odd time signature...feeling it as > a whole rather than > trying to analyze it's pieces. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > > >> By the way, if soloing over 7/8 seems daunting > write me off list and > >> I'll > >> show you some really simple exercises > >> to get free in that rhythmic > space........................you'll see that > >> it > >> is actually no more complicated than playing in > 4/4..............you just > >> haven't done it since you were a kid like they > have there. > > > > You can actually get the hang of odd meter really > fast if you don't count > > in > > numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of > our speech centers. > > Just > > about all European odd meters can be broken down > into groups of two and > > three > > beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the > three beats say "Gamela". > > So > > for two seven beat patterns: > > > > Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... > > or > > Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... > > > > If you ever hear Garaj Mahal perform "Poodle > Factory" live, you'll hear > > this > > to hilarious effect. They get the _whole_ > audience to sing along at the > > maximum physically possible tempo the following > loop: > > > > Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory > > Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory > > Poodle poodle factory, poodle factory > > Poodle factory, poodle factory, poodle factory > > > > which a musicologist might call three bars of 11/4 > followed by three bars > > of 5/4. > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:18:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDDE3BF15; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:18:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200602022318.k12NIMo08949@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.22.254 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:18 +0000 (UTC) > Not that I have to > spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) > > > A Tone of Diapers, I bet that sounds awful:) Talk about the 'brown note'. Sorry, I do have kids though so I've paid my dues here Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:21:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CC9C3BF1A; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CmD9uSqjfyIGNuieyJCB3wPdw8DAZElX7H+AkYMNFq4fKw1YDY+o7SvBK/YVSGq+6o8wyb1/CXnGEuZaqsmfh8PzNu6wCO1EvuVN7sUE/qq5zGZEE/7rAPmkxNaF757D36scGaxWK/G+wwMNcX3zNpggce9/zOnifQRT0CeyRjE= ; Message-ID: <20060202232115.2564.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010001c6284a$4b4df910$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:21:16 +0000 (UTC) incidentally, if any of you guys read tape-op magazine (for home studio junkies like myself, and it's FREE!), there's a great interview in the current issue with Hank Shocklee, producer behind Public Enemy. he talks about having 3 seconds of 4-bit sample time and looping back in the day, about how hip hop used to be all about innovation and experimentation and doing something unique, but now is largely about trying to sound like someone else, about how indie rock is currently where that adventurous spirit is, and about how good music, whatever kind, should touch the SOUL, first and foremost, and that that is something people often lose sight of. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:39:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF223BF1B; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:39:04 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56FDDA8A.2D6D72AC.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.76.70.110 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:39:07 +0000 (UTC) > >Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... >or >Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... > or even, "sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy ... " :) - Tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:42:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E961A3BF1B; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2490.128.193.37.212.1138912817.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201224108.01b2b8c0@TheNettles.com> <20060202200640.91658.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2490.128.193.37.212.1138912817.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:42:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2PZGpD.A.At.xjp4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:42:41 +0000 (UTC) At 12:40 PM -0800 2/2/06, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > >This is kind of long-winded but please let's not start a thread about the >music each of us hates. I've seen this thread on just about every forum I've >ever been on and it's boring. Hopefully not a thread about the music each of us hates, but rather still staying open to legitimate criticisms of the form here... > I don't think it's going to go away because you disapprove of >it. Besides the same thing's been said about just about every new music >that's come up: rock, jazz, waltzes, Broadway show tunes, ambient, looping... >Hey, Stravinsky's music started a _riot_. My biggest problem with the current state of Hip Hop is that it seems to have lost any innovative or revolutionary spirit that it once possessed. Rap (the predecessor to Hip Hop) began by combining two things: the expression of message(s) that are outside the mainstream, and the use of the voice as a rhythm instrument. Unfortunately, in America, 99.9% of current Hip Hop artists seem to have completely lost this. They have few, if any, meaningful messages to convey. Failing that, it would still be acceptable to at least have an interesting rhythmic sense. However, most American artists seem to have missed that point as well. In short, my largest criticism of current American Hip Hop is the same as my criticism of the majority of other musics here -- it is simply boring and mainstream. Now, in Hip Hop's defense, I would instead recommend trying to find music from cultures other than America. As mentioned previously, the art form's been around for a quarter century. Other cultures have adopted it as well as ours, and a lot of them have done really interesting things, IMNSHO. Also, some languages besides English seem extremely interesting in a Hip Hop context. The French Hip Hop that I've heard is simply phenomenal, maybe because French seems to lend itself to rapid fire strings of syllables while still maintaining an interesting "flow". That results in really interesting rhythmic juxtapositions (I'm curious how other Latin languages would do here). Slovene is another example of a language that lends itself surprisingly well to Hip Hop. And, believe it or not, there are even some artists singing in Deutsche that are more interesting than many American artists. Witness the antics of German artists, Die Fantastisch Vier, as well as the occasional Falco rap done in his sing-song Viennese dialect. So, to summarize, there is interesting Hip Hop being made. You just have to get out of the US to find it. --m. -- _______ " I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:44:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92C303BF16; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WmcLwy2q1CBitGKRMIreDzjyk2H88MPiROtqqGCKIqrnz5bZ0fPA0efZUfulk/v0SFGCBkdNb1B6ygysizavPDz4OzMJuAIKd1WyoUrhbc8MhqSNSszGzowhThkKsMI9rFA1gcP9BTMAPh2fzT1AdZWq8PFT8cF4g+ImlZuteIE= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602021544rc236c62l9a984c2bf3d75570@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:44:00 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011601c62852$9ef2cf20$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <200602022318.k12NIMo08949@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:44:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 462, in=225631, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Brown note...arrr arrr arrrr. I did set myself up, didn't I...."tone" of diapers. That was a slip. Changing diapers seems like an endless loop. :) K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: RE: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) > > >> Not that I have to >> spend the $130, but it's either that or a tone of diapers. :) >> >> >> A Tone of Diapers, I bet that sounds awful:) > > Talk about the 'brown note'. > > Sorry, I do have kids though so I've paid my dues here > > Kevin > > > How amazing, how amazing! > Hard to comprehend that > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > But when sound is heard with the eye, > Then it is understood. > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45E953BF1A; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XSWv5RuD8eugn57/05U/kLJv6tiBRc713C43zn26kvrzOFUk7so66mEHTmQO8KLPpqgPvwspOKHJk+u+b+3zbIva77rLRZoWOtQySKF20G3ijhwx48Y8/CyLm4UVmE/oPsm5oX8bhe1o7l0MlQYDwbeeqGnrj9Syz6OxWDKqWH4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602021546k4832b39enee1c4d787576760b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:46:32 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:46:34 +0000 (UTC) It's very informal, but the way I used to run it is that we had some sections with just one person, some with more than one and lots of sections where people can make noise if they want. If there are a lot people, I tend to mix aggressively to get a good blend. People who play sparsely will get higher levels -- people who set up a wash or a bed will get lower but consistent levels. If there are one or two people playing together I tend to set the levels and step out of the way. If you show up and have anything you want to do, we'll do it (subject to the bounds of legality and good taste :-D) On 2/2/06, mark t wrote: > sounds cool. I might show up. is the idea that everyone just bring > there instrument and looping device and we create one giant loop or do > people perform individually? > > On 2/2/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > Hello... we're doing an open loop again and I'd love you to come and pl= ay. > > > > It's February 11, 3PM to 8PM. > > Grand Central Bar > > 659 Grand St, Brooklyn > > > > Let me know in advance or just show up. > > > > It's a nice little space -- no one cares about it and we can do as we > > like for a nice long afternoon. I intend to keep the noise levels low > > and do long continuous jams -- and I can now record them continuously > > I hope without side breaks. > > > > I'm bringing a 24 input board so there will definitely be room for all > > of you. There are also mic stands and I have a mic or two. And it'll > > all be recorded direct-to-digital. > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34DB3BF29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060202222301.92552.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060202222301.92552.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B5F7F20-B209-4DFA-9AA6-9ADB5B8DAE61@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: more Myspace.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:47:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:47:51 +0000 (UTC) while we are myspace-ing: http://www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic the first two tunes are pop songs written for a new tv show..don't take it too seriously On Feb 2, 2006, at 5:23 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > >> i really liked Xylem and Leaf. Beautiful tunes. >> > > Thank you Ariel! Coincidentally, those are the only > two of the three I posted that feature looping! :) > > The other tune, 'Ladybug', is something I wrote for my > daughter when she was about four years old. (Now she's > almost 13, and is a looping bass player herself; how > quickly they grow up!) If any of you have kids, THEY > might like the song, which can be heard at > > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 2 23:48:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 920033BF39; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012301c62853$289b97c0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <56FDDA8A.2D6D72AC.59DF470E@netscape.net> Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:48:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 124, in=76511, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) My favorite rhythm: chicken-chicken-chicken-vindaloo-vindaloo-vindaloo-lamb-lamb-lamb-marsala-marsala-marsala-rice pudding Hmmm, I can actually play this. Accent theh Chick, Vin, and Sala...has a nice feel to it. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Douglas" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > >>Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... >>or >>Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... >> > > or even, > > "sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy ... " :) > > - Tony > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 00:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047653BF10; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:16:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43E2A0E6.6877.22EFFB2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20060202200304.90476.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:16:42 +0000 (UTC) On 2 Feb 2006 at 12:03, daniel stevenson wrote: > So, what's the coolest piece of signal processing gear I can buy for > $130 I'd go for an alesis airFX - I couldn't get by without it for treating loops & keeping the on the move. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 00:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407D43BF07; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e4ZNlrCxh5UtfGGV5/MtsD9loVJEunEeLDkdzmHNb+BL46zb3W7i41+Q4YZ9GLiA7SO54g1iW+1dOpdDtoQYCEAyueqlZCKJQwyMw67aibGCU70Xo1NwfbZDxRuhoU9p1foywEZ2JL5+gvzFQ0TnQwD1ojKilw9NkUsStwF8vhc= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602021625l412fdb48t428f69c2bcda5e31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:25:26 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060201224108.01b2b8c0@TheNettles.com> <20060202200640.91658.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2490.128.193.37.212.1138912817.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Hip-hop got more boring more quickly than any genre ever. The fact that the mainstream seems entirely concerned with crassness, greed and violence doesn't help. Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open to hearing it= . Unfortunately, every time people do this for me, I end up with all this "turn on the drum machine and recite 6th grade poetry with cursewords in a boring voice" stuff. The worst is that I often find material that I think is hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm informed, "that's not hip-hop".... -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 00:39:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA793BF12; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qJXMsvqegp8nE5Tse0wm/59uigQGQH9hPN32N90No8VWYhAhtEJaiDf5vFk7TrR9; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:37:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012301c62853$289b97c0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48a31fbdb68f90d6c9d0ddda058abf0af293caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.204.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:39:04 +0000 (UTC) my favorite is: 'shave and a haircut two bits' thanks Bo s on 2/2/06 3:48 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > My favorite rhythm: > chicken-chicken-chicken-vindaloo-vindaloo-vindaloo-lamb-lamb-lamb-marsala-mars > ala-marsala-rice > pudding > > Hmmm, I can actually play this. Accent theh Chick, Vin, and Sala...has a > nice feel to it. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Douglas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > >>> >>> Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... >>> or >>> Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... >>> >> >> or even, >> >> "sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy ... " :) >> >> - Tony >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >> As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at >> http://isp.netscape.com/register >> >> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >> >> New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer >> Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. >> Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 00:40:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A813BF17; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004e01c6285a$66ef8a20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:40:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: "You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't count in numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech centers. Just about all European odd meters can be broken down into groups of two and three beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the three beats say "Gamela". So for two seven beat patterns: Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... or Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... ******** personally, I think it is a good idea to keep the syllables more closely together (until you are working with the onomotopoetic syllables of specific drums in the Indian or other traditions). I honestly think having tried many different counting systems that you can trip your tongue up going from a T sound to a G sound at very high speed but it's all good. Amplifying on this concept a little: The Indians use these four subdivision: > Ta-ki (pronounced Taw kih) TWO 1 2 > Ta-ki-ta (pronounced Taw kih tuh) THREE 1 2 3 > Ta-ki-di-mi (pronounced Taw kih dee mee) FOUR 1 2 3 4 > Ta-ki-di-na-tom (pronounced Taw kih dee nah tom) FIVE 1 2 3 4 5 Interestingly, they stop at the threshold that Western psychologists in the latter 20th century discovered.: the number 5 . >From what I've heard, human beings can keep five things in their heads, concieved of as separate things but that the minute we get to larger numbers we are forced to begin grouping into smaller increments. The Indians have known this intrinsically for hundreds of years. The emphasis always being on the 'Ta' or first syllable In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time signature you want to take on and just sing the syllables for example: 2 + 2 + 3 or Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki tuh 2 + 3 + 2 Ta ki Ta ki ta Ta ki 3 + 2 + 2 Ta ki ta Ta ki Ta ki 7/8 = 3 + 4 Ta ki ta Ta ki di mi 4 + 3 Ta ki di mi Ta ki ta 5 + 2 Ta ki di na tom Ta ki 2 + 5 Ta ki Ta ki di na tom Sing these combinations over and over, making sure that ever syllable takes exactly the same amount of time. There are more sophisticated games to play with this material and you can syncopate or leave out notes internal to each phrasing but this will give you all the basic phrasing possilities of each odd time signature you want to play in. Warning: If you are playing, say the first excercise above as an ostinato that your whole band is playing.................. it will really throw people if you use any of the other phrases simultaneously so you will need to check it out and also practise it with them if you plan on doing it live. One long band practise or two playing different time signatures against each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this (but you have to have relatively sophisticated musicians with a good internal sense of time and also, more importantly, their willingness to go along with these games that sound like gibberish until you get to know them better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 00:51:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266493BF26; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b001c6285b$f5ec5900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:51:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:51:22 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: So, to summarize, there is interesting Hip Hop being made. You just have to get out of the US to find it. ooooooh, I'm sorry but I will contend that statement with all due respect, mech: There is wonderful experimental and very innovative hip hop going on in every big city in the US these days. There are also a lot of indie underground bands who have hip hop backgrounds as kids and are doing spoken word over backing tracks that is like a more laid back version of hip hop. There are at least three groups in my small home town alone exploring this territory. Sure, it doesn't make MTV and sell millions of units and it's harder to find but go to any discerning record store that has an expert on hip hop who works there and ask he or she where the 'shit' is.....................ask specifically for experimental hip hop. you might be surprised how much underground and innovative stuff there is. You have to be hip to the whole San Francisco Anticon movement (label) at least. Ever heard ClouDdead? Check 'em out. yours Rick ps Also, and this is out of the US, but nobody seems to know about the wonderful group, originally from East Berlin before the fall of the wall, TARWATER. I love this group and they are always doing interesting experiments with hip hop and trip hop. There first three CDs are brilliant but I like everything they do. One of the members (they are a duo) is also in the wonderful German electronica band, To Roccoco Rot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 01:12:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7023BEEE; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cJbv5GAf7nIPVJ6mD6pw8VoUVLPsDWUYlRNH4PAtLNsfYD1T0DV3lUBQ2pOiFe21Rgna0jvtbBtgrygKK8GPKIknhy/NVnI/zqfGBVt68DndV0JdwigykhOmbJCGfRYJpwnsWSUqthX7axEPpN6nzY9o6WkT4Eet1nY4ZMUrmAs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:12:25 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A6810@earth.uces.edu.ar> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:12:28 +0000 (UTC) I have had the pleasure of playing a Godin LXGT (piezo, electric, and midi) with my Vortex stack (three Vortexes and a Lexi MP110)...it was...AMAZING. I think what others have said about having a small pre-amp in the chain is probably sound advice. I would definitely encourage you to try it...Vortexes are very cool old bits of hardware and if you have good dynamic control inyour playing technique, you should be able to create some interesting tunes. Dennis Moser http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio/ On 2/2/06, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Hi, > > Did anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar. I've r= ead > excellent reviews of you guys but everyone was using electric ones. > > Just a hint, > > thanks. > > Ariel Rzezak > Bedel=EDa UCES > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 01:34:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0DEF3BF06; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:32:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for January, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43E2B291.40204@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:34:40 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/top20jan.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for January, 2006. Shows #458 to #461; 5-January-2006 to 26-January-2006 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Austere - Remittance - none Cluster Balm - Instamatic - Blue Water Craig Padilla and Zero Ohms - Path of Least Existence - Shima Create - From Earth To Mars - Groove Embrase - Dreamworld - Groove Palancar - Diminishing Light - Blue Water Palancar - Elysium Planitia - Blue Water Parallel Worlds - CDR from Artist - none Parallel Worlds - Existence - Rubber Parallel Worlds - Far Away Light - Shima Parallel Worlds - Insight - Shima Paul Ellis - Silent Conversations - Groove Stephen Parsick - Hoellenengel - doombient Steve Roach and vidnaObmana - Somewhere Else - Projekt Thought Guild - Continuum - HRR Various Artists - Aidan Baker Remixes - Arcolepsy Various Artists - Analogy Volume 1 - Groove Various Artists - E-dition #10 - Groove Various Artists - S/T - Die Stadt Various Artists - Sequences No. 31 - Emma From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 02:03:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8E9D3BEDB; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13969454.1138932191428.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:03:11 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Godin-istas Unite! (was Vortex and acoustic guitar) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:03:12 +0000 (UTC) I was wondering if there were any other folks on the list who play Godin th= ree-voice guitars and how the utilized them. What are your rigs that utiliz= e these guitars to their maximum potential with magnetic, piezo and synth p= ick-ups all running simultaneously?=20 I am experimenting with the following signal chain Magnetic: Godin LGXT to = Boss Volume pedal into Boss PS-5 Pitch shifter=3D=3D>Boss V-Wah=3D=3D>Boss = OD-20 Distortion Modeler=3D=3D>Behringer UB-502 Euro-Rack Mixer into a Crat= e Vintage Club 50 watt 2x12 tube guitar amplifier with a Boss GT-3 and a Bo= ss DD-20 Delay Modeler and an RC-20XL Loop Station (hopefully to be replace= d by some kind of upgraded looper EDP or Boss RC-50) in the effects loop. S= ynth Pick-ups=3D=3D> Roland GR-33 Guitar synth =3D=3D>Behringer Mixer. Piez= o Pick-Ups=3D=3D> Yamaha Magic Stomp =3D=3D> Trace Elliott TA 100 Acoustic = Amplifier.=20 Is there anything any of you would do differently or does any of this seem = to not make sense? I have plugged directly into the Crate Vintage Club and = had it sound unbelievable. The things in the effects loop seem to really su= ck tone. What can I do to change this?=20 Ideas Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Dennis Moser >Sent: Feb 2, 2006 8:12 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar > >I have had the pleasure of playing a Godin LXGT (piezo, electric, and >midi) with my Vortex stack (three Vortexes and a Lexi MP110)...it >was...AMAZING. > >I think what others have said about having a small pre-amp in the >chain is probably sound advice. > >I would definitely encourage you to try it...Vortexes are very cool >old bits of hardware and if you have good dynamic control inyour >playing technique, you should be able to create some interesting >tunes. > >Dennis Moser > >http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio/ > >On 2/2/06, Ariel Rzezak wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Did anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar. I've = read >> excellent reviews of you guys but everyone was using electric ones. >> >> Just a hint, >> >> thanks. >> >> Ariel Rzezak >> Bedel=EDa UCES >> Buenos Aires, Argentina >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 02:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9983BEF3; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Feb 2006 02:14:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:14:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US...] X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060203021421.07BEFE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6TQORC.A.6KE.-xr4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:14:22 +0000 (UTC) :johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Well, I've played Balkan and I humbly disagree altho your mileage may var= y. > In Balkan the bars don't always constantly change meter, they're usually = in a > standard odd meter that continues thoughout the tune.=20 Well I'm certainly not an expert on said subject. My experience is limited= to a few late night jam sessions (and drinking contests). I didn't mean to= =20 imply that all of the time signatures I listed were in on song. But in get= ting shown some traditional forms, I was shown some songs that were, as=20 you said, all in one time signature, but also some forms that went through = multiple signatures (at least that's how I would notate it from a western= =20 point of view) For example:=20 5+7+11+7+5 Now, you could just call that a "35/16" that repeats throughou= t the song, but it makes more sense (to me any way) to divide it into=20 smaller bars. 7/16+11/6=20 9/16 + 13/16=20 Also, in re-reading my original posting (and reading Rick Walker's, and oth= ers subsequent postings on the thread) I'd like to revisit my statement=20 regarding my subjective views on the relative sophistication of hip-hop vs.= Balkan rhythmic phrasing. It is possible that I never really considered=20 hip-hop phrasing all that sophisticated, because I've lived with hip-hop al= l my life. It's part of a cultural landscape in which I'm immersed. Kind = of=20 the same way that "other people have accents", we never hear our own, we ju= st sound "right". I can't recall ever hearing a hip-hop song and=20 thinking "how the hell did that work (rhythmically speaking)". Largely, pe= rhaps, because it is based on speech patterns, and as long as I can hear=20 the lyric it tmakes sense. I wonder what would happen if the lyric were tr= anscribed into musical notation and I had to play it on an instrument?=20= =20 Hmmm.... Cheers Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 02:21:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D05803BEFF; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Feb 2006 02:21:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:21:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060203022143.790BAE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:21:44 +0000 (UTC) johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't count= in > numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech centers.=20= =20 I have a song on my first album that is an instrumental that goes back and = forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), and 6/8. The band could not figure it=20 out until I made up nonsense words to sing to it: "I'm going to the store with my dog I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie My puppy doggie my puppy doggie he is a really spiffy doggie" --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 02:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51133BEFC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202184913.01c74b20@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:54:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: <20060203021421.07BEFE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060203021421.07BEFE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <8t1-vB.A.0wE.uXs4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) At 06:14 PM 2/2/2006, Joe wrote: >It is possible that I never really considered hip-hop phrasing all >that sophisticated, because I've lived with hip-hop all my life. There's a lot of that that goes around, Joe. I play a fair amount of American Old-Time music and when I was jamming in English pubs with the English who played old-time I was amazed at how they chose such old chestnuts that no Old-time player in this country would touch with a barge pole. In Irish restaurants and bars back in the eighties they liked to play American country-western from which most players in this country would run away screaming. It made me wonder what Irish folks would make of American Celtic band's repetory. I think we forget how cool our own native musical genres are because we grew up with them. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 03:30:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D8E3BEF3; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: guitar synth alternatives X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = d1890dc9e41ad7b485b88ff9d181c81d Reply-To: decadence@excite.com From: "Monica Lokisdottir" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: decadence@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Importance: High X-Priority: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060203033033.57C044AF9B@xprdmxin.myway.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:30:33 -0500 (EST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Just a thought off the top of my head re: "who wants a guitar synth anyhow?"... For excellent tone morphability without overly synthy cheesiness - if you've got the bucks to spend right now... www.eventide.com Moderate price range - some of the Roger Mayer stuff. If you're on a budget then something as simple as an old BOSS ME-30 or 33 has very decent tone flexibility. Monica _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF0C3BF06; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202193422.01d2be60@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:40:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: <004e01c6285a$66ef8a20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004e01c6285a$66ef8a20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:40:49 +0000 (UTC) At 04:40 PM 2/2/2006, "loop.pool" wrote: >The Indians use these four subdivision:... In the trio that plays for clubs, our Indian tabla player sometimes teaches the audience a keherva rhythm as: THEY go, with US for DINner >In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time signature you >want to take on and just sing the syllables... What's really wild is watching an Indian audience clap in 10/4. >One long band practise or two playing different time signatures against >each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this... Wow, I never thought of using Indian rhythms _polyrhythmically_! Always something to learn! Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 03:59:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2650A3BEF3; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202195920.01cf98f0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:59:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <-RKUQB.A.NfG.6Ut4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:59:55 +0000 (UTC) From: "loop.pool" > fascinating concept. can you elaborate on that? > is it a personal theory or have you read anything specifically about that > subject? Singing the lines you play when you solo is common practice among jazz musicians and has been for a long time. Zappa's "little Italian virtuoso" Steve Vai uses the technique to construct his solos. The scientific research is catching up with this now. I've read a bunch of articles on the subject. One person who's been doing research on the neurological relationship between music and speech is Dr. Ingrid Johnsrude over at McGill University. Cheers, Kevin Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 04:18:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABA0F3BEF3; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016901c62878$d86cbfb0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060203033033.57C044AF9B@xprdmxin.myway.com> Subject: Re: guitar synth alternatives Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:18:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 462, in=225794, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7l0JzD.A.C-G.Hmt4DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:18:15 +0000 (UTC) I'd also consider the Boss VF-1 and the TC Electronics Fireworks. I'm quite fond of the VF-1 synth section, and anyone who has heard me play knows what synth patch I'm talking about. Perhaps Per can speak to the Fireworks. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Lokisdottir" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: guitar synth alternatives > > Just a thought off the top of my head re: "who wants a > guitar synth anyhow?"... > For excellent tone morphability without overly synthy > cheesiness - if you've got the bucks to spend right now... > www.eventide.com > Moderate price range - some of the Roger Mayer stuff. > If you're on a budget then something as simple as an old > BOSS ME-30 or 33 has very decent tone flexibility. > > Monica > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 05:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF72E3BEE1; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r+GdVUfg4PCyMXsF+Qnxpy3Pcyrxvfag8Xv/tPMZhqbGPchXCfokeVEYh3PXGVp0; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:47:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202193422.01d2be60@TheNettles.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48403f0d3777f5a1203fa3dd9e64df4d11f0dc0b2615eb44cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.0.35 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:49:38 +0000 (UTC) good example fer me is that 'concert for george' dvd that is out- bunch o' great old geezers from the 60s playin harrison music real good-the middle section is dedicated to george's love of Ravi Shankar' stuff-i dont think he plays on this but his Beautacious daughter-Anoushka-nora jones' sister plays her butt off. plus they do a classical indian piece called ARPAN and she leads this big indian band and is conducting this rhythm and it sure aint no 4/4. Eric clapton sits in and attempts to play w/in the beats of the song-and i guess its admirable-but that song is really beautiful... s on 2/2/06 7:40 PM, Kevin at kevin@TheNettles.com wrote: > At 04:40 PM 2/2/2006, "loop.pool" wrote: >> The Indians use these four subdivision:... > > In the trio that plays for clubs, our Indian tabla player sometimes > teaches the audience a keherva rhythm as: > THEY go, with US for DINner > >> In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time signature you >> want to take on and just sing the syllables... > > What's really wild is watching an Indian audience clap in 10/4. > >> One long band practise or two playing different time signatures against >> each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this... > > Wow, I never thought of using Indian rhythms > _polyrhythmically_! Always something to learn! > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 07:57:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1AC3BEDB; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Loopers who delight in Myspace (LD/space directory) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:57:24 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:57:25 +0000 (UTC) considering all these posts about myspace and my inability to keep track of everyone on here, i made a group for locating the myspace spaces of listmembers: http://groups.myspace.com/loopersdelight feel free to join it if you'd like to make it easy for fellow listmembers to find your personal or artist pages. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 10:04:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11AC3BED0; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WkJqv5H0PkyLQjT/1IEonrmg5SxmlubIlvC+kUeMxVtBpQOgcIzhrOzfjOaaGC0iHve74biEzTlFerN4JVgkVbUx8RWNCTdXBNLkDbOonqWIppL31kJ7S1tA6XNlrK9tsKsiCbjqvRkVZb2kRBGnX1znzxLkRGFvhaUw+UlwiS8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602030203v3066a424g59f51560e0b48a4d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:03:59 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar synth alternatives In-Reply-To: <016901c62878$d86cbfb0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060203033033.57C044AF9B@xprdmxin.myway.com> <016901c62878$d86cbfb0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Also EHX POG (and probably HOG, but I've not found one of those on this side of the pond yet). On 2/3/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'd also consider the Boss VF-1 and the TC Electronics Fireworks. I'm qui= te > fond of the VF-1 synth section, and anyone who has heard me play knows wh= at > synth patch I'm talking about. Perhaps Per can speak to the Fireworks. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Monica Lokisdottir" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:30 PM > Subject: guitar synth alternatives > > > > > Just a thought off the top of my head re: "who wants a > > guitar synth anyhow?"... > > For excellent tone morphability without overly synthy > > cheesiness - if you've got the bucks to spend right now... > > www.eventide.com > > Moderate price range - some of the Roger Mayer stuff. > > If you're on a budget then something as simple as an old > > BOSS ME-30 or 33 has very decent tone flexibility. > > > > Monica > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > > > > From w.s_info_fidelity@atlas.cz Fri Feb 3 10:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from kokos.mail-atlas.net (kokos.mail-atlas.net [212.47.13.147]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806273BECC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:33:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=9.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED: -2.4,AWL: -0.004,PRIORITY_NO_NAME: 1.455, SARE_FROM_SPAM_WORD3: 0.1,SARE_RECV_ADDR: 0.027,SARE_TOCC_NONE: 0.802 X-Spam-Level: Received: from kokos ([127.0.0.1]) by kokos.mail-atlas.net; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:32:23 +0100 From: "williams smith" Message-ID: <41324424bd2f4044b95cfc99a18d6f46@atlas.cz> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:32:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Subject: Fidelity Investment. 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--------------ms050800020904090803050004-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 14:40:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 340873BEE1; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:41:43 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-reply-to: <004e01c6285a$66ef8a20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024101c628cf$f3b0cf30$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Awesome post, Rick. It's nice to have such a cogent summary of the Indian system - I'm moving this one into the "Keepers" folder. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:40 PM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > > Kevin wrote: > "You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if > you don't count > in > numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech > centers. Just about all European odd meters can be broken > down into groups of two and > three > beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the three beats > say "Gamela". > So > for two seven beat patterns: > > Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... > or > Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... > > ******** > personally, I think it is a good idea to keep the syllables > more closely > together (until you are working with > the onomotopoetic syllables of specific drums in the Indian or other > traditions). > > I honestly think having tried many different counting systems > that you can > trip your tongue up going > from a T sound to a G sound at very high speed but it's all good. > > Amplifying on this concept a little: > > The Indians use these four subdivision: > > > Ta-ki (pronounced Taw kih) > TWO > 1 2 > > > Ta-ki-ta (pronounced Taw kih tuh) THREE > 1 2 3 > > > Ta-ki-di-mi (pronounced Taw kih dee mee) FOUR > 1 2 3 4 > > > Ta-ki-di-na-tom (pronounced Taw kih dee nah tom) FIVE > 1 2 3 4 5 > > Interestingly, they stop at the threshold that Western > psychologists in the > latter 20th century discovered.: the number 5 . > From what I've heard, human beings can keep five things in > their heads, > concieved of as separate things but that the minute we get > to larger numbers we are forced to begin grouping into > smaller increments. > The Indians have known this intrinsically for hundreds of years. > > The emphasis always being on the 'Ta' or first syllable > > > In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time > signature you want to > take on and just sing the syllables > > for example: > > 2 + 2 + 3 or Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki tuh > 2 + 3 + 2 Ta ki Ta ki ta Ta ki > 3 + 2 + 2 Ta ki ta Ta ki Ta ki > > 7/8 = 3 + 4 Ta ki ta Ta ki di mi > 4 + 3 Ta ki di mi Ta ki ta > > 5 + 2 Ta ki di na tom Ta ki > 2 + 5 Ta ki Ta ki di na tom > > > Sing these combinations over and over, making sure that ever > syllable takes > exactly the same amount of time. > There are more sophisticated games to play with this material > and you can > syncopate or leave out notes internal to each > phrasing but this will give you all the basic phrasing > possilities of each > odd time signature you want to play in. > > Warning: If you are playing, say the first excercise above > as an ostinato > that your whole band is playing.................. > it will really throw people if you use any of the other phrases > simultaneously so you will need to check it out and > also practise it with them if you plan on doing it live. > One long band > practise or two playing different time signatures against > each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this > (but you have > to have relatively sophisticated musicians with a good > internal sense of time and also, more importantly, their > willingness to go > along with these games that sound like gibberish > until you get to know them better. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 14:44:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1A23BEEA; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:45:24 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-reply-to: <20060203022143.790BAE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024201c628d0$783a40b0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:44:16 +0000 (UTC) And my mantra for rhumba clave is: Foot, da foot, da foot big foot Actually, I only think it's rhumba clave. Figures I'd forget the name of the rhythm. I'll remember the rhythm forever, though. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > > > You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't > > count in numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of > our speech centers. > > I have a song on my first album that is an instrumental that > goes back and forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), and 6/8. The > band could not figure it > out until I made up nonsense words to sing to it: > > "I'm going to the store with my dog > I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie > My puppy doggie > my puppy doggie > he is a really spiffy doggie" > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. > -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.c om/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 14:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CCF43BEF7; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:52:14 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024301c628d1$6b7abe80$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:50:42 +0000 (UTC) I agree. Anoushka's performance is stunning. And she is amazing to look at. And George's son, onstage with guitar throughout if I recall correctly, looks so much like George, I could scarcely believe it. > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:48 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > > good example fer me is that 'concert for george' dvd that is > out- bunch o' great old geezers from the 60s playin harrison > music real good-the middle section is dedicated to george's > love of Ravi Shankar' stuff-i dont think he plays on this but > his Beautacious daughter-Anoushka-nora jones' sister plays > her butt off. plus they do a classical indian piece called > ARPAN and she leads this big indian band and is conducting > this rhythm and it sure aint no 4/4. Eric clapton sits in and > attempts to play w/in the beats of the song-and i guess its > admirable-but that song is really beautiful... s > > > > > on 2/2/06 7:40 PM, Kevin at kevin@TheNettles.com wrote: > > > At 04:40 PM 2/2/2006, "loop.pool" wrote: > >> The Indians use these four subdivision:... > > > > In the trio that plays for clubs, our Indian tabla player sometimes > > teaches the audience a keherva rhythm as: THEY go, with US > for DINner > > > >> In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time > signature you > >> want to take on and just sing the syllables... > > > > What's really wild is watching an Indian audience clap in 10/4. > > > >> One long band practise or two playing different time signatures > >> against each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do > >> this... > > > > Wow, I never thought of using Indian rhythms _polyrhythmically_! > > Always something to learn! > > > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 14:54:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1906B3BEF1; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:55:51 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060202195920.01cf98f0@TheNettles.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024c01c628d1$ecbf3e30$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:54:53 +0000 (UTC) I always sing what I play (or, more accurately, play what I sing) when I notice that my improvising is in danger of either becoming too technical or directionless. It always grounds me instantly. It's a great technique for any style of playing - or at least, any style of single-line playing (it's a little hard to hum chord changes, though I could see using vocalizations to help articulate the rhythms of chord hits)... Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > > From: "loop.pool" > > fascinating concept. can you elaborate on that? > > is it a personal theory or have you read anything > specifically about that > subject? > > Singing the lines you play when you solo is common practice > among jazz musicians and has been for a long time. Zappa's > "little Italian virtuoso" Steve Vai uses the technique to > construct his solos. The scientific research is catching up > with this now. I've read a bunch of articles on the subject. > One person who's been doing research on the neurological > relationship between music and speech is Dr. Ingrid Johnsrude > over at McGill University. > > Cheers, > Kevin > Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 14:59:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEF8E3BF0A; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 06:59:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looperlative - Max Time? Thread-Index: AcYo0mdrpdpwDpTFEdq0NAAKlZolSA== In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129120851.04e5b160@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-8zOPB.A.5pD.K_24DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about responding to this so late, I've been busy this week and haven't been keeping up with the list. On 1/29/06 12:26 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 10:42 AM 1/29/2006, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: >> I think it all comes back to a matter of style. I personally would have no >> problem filling 16 loops of 10 minutes of length each and using them all in >> performance (although probably not more than a few at the same time. > > uh, please walk me through this, cause I'm just not seeing how this could > possibly make a viable performance. You have one piece of music using 16 > loops, 10 minutes each. So just the time to record the audio into all of > these loops will take you 160 minutes. And we are all watching you while > you record them. In order for the audience to get the impression that these > are loops (assuming that is even possible with a 10 minute loop), the loop > needs to repeat at least twice. So now you are talking about an additional > 320 minutes, for a total of 480 minutes for one song? 8 hours? Or even if > you have some of the loops repeating in parallel, you are still talking at > least 3-4 hours for one musical piece. > Why would it be necessary for an audience to know you are looping? We're talking an idea environment, right? So, I would expected to be able to record more than one loop simultaneously. But having a piece go around two hours is within the realm of some of the gigs I've done. > Do you really create music like that? Do you actually find audiences with > the patience to sit through it? I can't even imagine this, unless it is one > of those performance art torture/endurance experiments people like to do in > art school. > Wow, would've expected something more open-minded from you Kim, but yeah I do. >> I have >> hit barriers with every piece of loop hardware I have ever used and after >> trying to get around it by combining them in multiple ways, I'm just using >> software now and that seems to work for me. > > what does that have to do with loop time and how you use it? > It's not a function of loop-time only. This was a general discussion of looping capabilities. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 15:13:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35DDE3BED0; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:13:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looperlative - Max Time? Thread-Index: AcYo0mdrpdpwDpTFEdq0NAAKlZolSAAAgTGH In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:13:49 +0000 (UTC) I should also point out that I wasn't saying that I needed 160 minutes of loop time as a rule, but that if I had it, I could imagine filling it up on one of my longer gigs (or as part of an interactive installation, which I also do). Kevin P.S. In my last post "idea"->"ideal" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 16:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995263BEEE; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cQjCkz4Mxr9TNlnmbP2LeV3CZEhyCGntn7eHulxTaNmGMqNA1eI9tLMpBj6o+EjjLNViisQqAvUhVsZUjH0lYE0bAkWPsnFbImqHdA8WQEJYgie+QZ/lzwOTTrjMqwarTVDCzYr+RzHxfMA4G6NIikxmolmYmdImQusd4HQcm2c= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602030815t2cc19f87nf52a2b7645fa9277@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:15:48 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Godin-istas Unite! (was Vortex and acoustic guitar) In-Reply-To: <13969454.1138932191428.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <13969454.1138932191428.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Todd I replied to this with two long and detailed responses directly to you. Your spam filter then mailed me and told me I had to go to a website and be authorised before I was worthy of your attention. I went to the website, which told me my message had expired and I needed to send it again. I can't be arsed to do that. D On 2/3/06, Todd Howell wrote: > > I was wondering if there were any other folks on the list who play Godin = three-voice guitars and how the utilized them. What are your rigs that util= ize these guitars to their maximum potential with magnetic, piezo and synth= pick-ups all running simultaneously? > > I am experimenting with the following signal chain Magnetic: Godin LGXT t= o Boss Volume pedal into Boss PS-5 Pitch shifter=3D=3D>Boss V-Wah=3D=3D>Bos= s OD-20 Distortion Modeler=3D=3D>Behringer UB-502 Euro-Rack Mixer into a Cr= ate Vintage Club 50 watt 2x12 tube guitar amplifier with a Boss GT-3 and a = Boss DD-20 Delay Modeler and an RC-20XL Loop Station (hopefully to be repla= ced by some kind of upgraded looper EDP or Boss RC-50) in the effects loop.= Synth Pick-ups=3D=3D> Roland GR-33 Guitar synth =3D=3D>Behringer Mixer. Pi= ezo Pick-Ups=3D=3D> Yamaha Magic Stomp =3D=3D> Trace Elliott TA 100 Acousti= c Amplifier. > > Is there anything any of you would do differently or does any of this see= m to not make sense? I have plugged directly into the Crate Vintage Club an= d had it sound unbelievable. The things in the effects loop seem to really = suck tone. What can I do to change this? > > Ideas > > Todd > -----Original Message----- > >From: Dennis Moser > >Sent: Feb 2, 2006 8:12 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar > > > >I have had the pleasure of playing a Godin LXGT (piezo, electric, and > >midi) with my Vortex stack (three Vortexes and a Lexi MP110)...it > >was...AMAZING. > > > >I think what others have said about having a small pre-amp in the > >chain is probably sound advice. > > > >I would definitely encourage you to try it...Vortexes are very cool > >old bits of hardware and if you have good dynamic control inyour > >playing technique, you should be able to create some interesting > >tunes. > > > >Dennis Moser > > > >http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio/ > > > >On 2/2/06, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Did anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar. I'v= e read > >> excellent reviews of you guys but everyone was using electric ones. > >> > >> Just a hint, > >> > >> thanks. > >> > >> Ariel Rzezak > >> Bedel=EDa UCES > >> Buenos Aires, Argentina > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 16:26:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91B8B3BED9; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gQ7qQ7dqk2rxEBIOdFE1xC7qYzVkiyDhJj3WshJs7xb7MhIFBNNZbsn9AYkxn21LqPwPHpwE0oZmcHvxiIsxrd8nyaiZnHzqN/+/SYI3jTTE2c/U2fnlXiqTA+9X44nfVSy8KbTjKx0QtotPBOCh2n9NN+AsV8ar0a/vxLdlTCw= ; Message-ID: <20060203162643.92093.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: ot: synth sounds 4 gtr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060203144010.5810E3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1447119962-1138984003=:89966" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1447119962-1138984003=:89966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i have the digitech synthwah-works pretty good some of the filters on my alesis ineko work decent for faux synthy sounds when i 1st got my digitech dsp256xl 4 yrs ago and was doing early recording w/ my tascam 4-track, i did one track that sounds like a synth with it-it sounded nothing like guitar--i have no idea how i did the track or what i played. i think it used some setting w/ heavy flanger and the 4-tap delay... i've also found that playing w/ the pitchshifter and some type of filter w/ my digitech rp100 using volume swells gets some pretty decent results.... s--- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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i have the digitech synthwah-works pretty good
some of the filters on my alesis ineko work decent for faux synthy sounds
when i 1st got my digitech dsp256xl 4 yrs ago and was doing early recording
w/ my tascam 4-track, i did one track that sounds like a synth with it-it sounded nothing like guitar--i have no idea how i did the track or what i played. i think it used some setting w/ heavy flanger and the 4-tap delay...
i've also found that playing w/ the pitchshifter and some type of filter w/ my digitech rp100 using volume swells  gets some pretty decent results....
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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1447119962-1138984003=:89966-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 16:43:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 402EB3BEFA; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11824407.1138985020912.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:43:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Godin-istas Unite! (was Vortex and acoustic guitar) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <6YFQdC.A.n5D.-g44DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:43:43 +0000 (UTC) David I recieved your response and then added you my contact list. I really appre= ciate your ideas. Thanks. There are a few questions that it brought up. I w= ill address you later with. Thanks many times over. From now on, it'll be e= asier. Where are you in the world? Todd -----Original Message----- >From: David Morton >Sent: Feb 3, 2006 9:15 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Godin-istas Unite! (was Vortex and acoustic guitar) > >Todd > >I replied to this with two long and detailed responses directly to you. > >Your spam filter then mailed me and told me I had to go to a website >and be authorised before I was worthy of your attention. > >I went to the website, which told me my message had expired and I >needed to send it again. > >I can't be arsed to do that. > >D > >On 2/3/06, Todd Howell wrote: >> >> I was wondering if there were any other folks on the list who play Godin= three-voice guitars and how the utilized them. What are your rigs that uti= lize these guitars to their maximum potential with magnetic, piezo and synt= h pick-ups all running simultaneously? >> >> I am experimenting with the following signal chain Magnetic: Godin LGXT = to Boss Volume pedal into Boss PS-5 Pitch shifter=3D=3D>Boss V-Wah=3D=3D>Bo= ss OD-20 Distortion Modeler=3D=3D>Behringer UB-502 Euro-Rack Mixer into a C= rate Vintage Club 50 watt 2x12 tube guitar amplifier with a Boss GT-3 and a= Boss DD-20 Delay Modeler and an RC-20XL Loop Station (hopefully to be repl= aced by some kind of upgraded looper EDP or Boss RC-50) in the effects loop= . Synth Pick-ups=3D=3D> Roland GR-33 Guitar synth =3D=3D>Behringer Mixer. P= iezo Pick-Ups=3D=3D> Yamaha Magic Stomp =3D=3D> Trace Elliott TA 100 Acoust= ic Amplifier. >> >> Is there anything any of you would do differently or does any of this se= em to not make sense? I have plugged directly into the Crate Vintage Club a= nd had it sound unbelievable. The things in the effects loop seem to really= suck tone. What can I do to change this? >> >> Ideas >> >> Todd >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Dennis Moser >> >Sent: Feb 2, 2006 8:12 PM >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Subject: Re: Vortex and acoustic guitar >> > >> >I have had the pleasure of playing a Godin LXGT (piezo, electric, and >> >midi) with my Vortex stack (three Vortexes and a Lexi MP110)...it >> >was...AMAZING. >> > >> >I think what others have said about having a small pre-amp in the >> >chain is probably sound advice. >> > >> >I would definitely encourage you to try it...Vortexes are very cool >> >old bits of hardware and if you have good dynamic control inyour >> >playing technique, you should be able to create some interesting >> >tunes. >> > >> >Dennis Moser >> > >> >http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio/ >> > >> >On 2/2/06, Ariel Rzezak wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Did anyone tried a Lexicon Vortex with an electro acoustic guitar. I'= ve read >> >> excellent reviews of you guys but everyone was using electric ones. >> >> >> >> Just a hint, >> >> >> >> thanks. >> >> >> >> Ariel Rzezak >> >> Bedel=EDa UCES >> >> Buenos Aires, Argentina >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 16:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7F013BF0A; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZJn+ujtH0qr1Hol/yW0WBVFgSfvQpCrLNasT+166F4AEmtV6nqTMDKp168AuYMJBaGiIbo0H0p1545Sq70L/2/1n0KYJ9c2fQVdYsDyYLNFJghspSMVMrWA7pHHc1lGI3XgRToYmgbl359yJPuPKsTWgryvcHYZsQr6PJUdaXV0= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602030850u71c64594ud9e86b17fb8b8271@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:50:35 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: <004e01c6285a$66ef8a20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004e01c6285a$66ef8a20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Fascinating stuff, thank you so much for taking the time to type all this. On 2/3/06, loop.pool wrote: > Kevin wrote: > "You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't coun= t > in > numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech centers. J= ust > about all European odd meters can be broken down into groups of two and > three > beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the three beats say "Gamela"= . > So > for two seven beat patterns: > > Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,... > or > Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,... > > ******** > personally, I think it is a good idea to keep the syllables more closely > together (until you are working with > the onomotopoetic syllables of specific drums in the Indian or other > traditions). > > I honestly think having tried many different counting systems that you ca= n > trip your tongue up going > from a T sound to a G sound at very high speed but it's all good. > > Amplifying on this concept a little: > > The Indians use these four subdivision: > > > Ta-ki (pronounced Taw kih) TWO > 1 2 > > > Ta-ki-ta (pronounced Taw kih tuh) THREE > 1 2 3 > > > Ta-ki-di-mi (pronounced Taw kih dee mee) FOUR > 1 2 3 4 > > > Ta-ki-di-na-tom (pronounced Taw kih dee nah tom) FIVE > 1 2 3 4 5 > > Interestingly, they stop at the threshold that Western psychologists in t= he > latter 20th century discovered.: the number 5 . > From what I've heard, human beings can keep five things in their heads, > concieved of as separate things but that the minute we get > to larger numbers we are forced to begin grouping into smaller increments= . > The Indians have known this intrinsically for hundreds of years. > > The emphasis always being on the 'Ta' or first syllable > > > In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time signature you want= to > take on and just sing the syllables > > for example: > > 2 + 2 + 3 or Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki tuh > 2 + 3 + 2 Ta ki Ta ki ta Ta ki > 3 + 2 + 2 Ta ki ta Ta ki Ta ki > > 7/8 =3D 3 + 4 Ta ki ta Ta ki di mi > 4 + 3 Ta ki di mi Ta ki ta > > 5 + 2 Ta ki di na tom Ta ki > 2 + 5 Ta ki Ta ki di na tom > > > Sing these combinations over and over, making sure that ever syllable tak= es > exactly the same amount of time. > There are more sophisticated games to play with this material and you can > syncopate or leave out notes internal to each > phrasing but this will give you all the basic phrasing possilities of eac= h > odd time signature you want to play in. > > Warning: If you are playing, say the first excercise above as an ostina= to > that your whole band is playing.................. > it will really throw people if you use any of the other phrases > simultaneously so you will need to check it out and > also practise it with them if you plan on doing it live. One long ban= d > practise or two playing different time signatures against > each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this (but you hav= e > to have relatively sophisticated musicians with a good > internal sense of time and also, more importantly, their willingness to = go > along with these games that sound like gibberish > until you get to know them better. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 16:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E4E63BF0A; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:57:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0Y82aB.A.4fE.ut44DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:57:18 +0000 (UTC) My friend Barry Phillips is playing cello on that video, He has been a long time member Of Ravi's orchestra and was also asked to handle the the first chair cello duties for the concert for George. He'll be playing with Anoushka at the pre-televised grammy awards ceremony this week. A great musician and one of the nicest people I know. Bill -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... good example fer me is that 'concert for george' dvd that is out- bunch o' great old geezers from the 60s playin harrison music real good-the middle section is dedicated to george's love of Ravi Shankar' stuff-i dont think he plays on this but his Beautacious daughter-Anoushka-nora jones' sister plays her butt off. plus they do a classical indian piece called ARPAN and she leads this big indian band and is conducting this rhythm and it sure aint no 4/4. Eric clapton sits in and attempts to play w/in the beats of the song-and i guess its admirable-but that song is really beautiful... s on 2/2/06 7:40 PM, Kevin at kevin@TheNettles.com wrote: > At 04:40 PM 2/2/2006, "loop.pool" wrote: >> The Indians use these four subdivision:... > > In the trio that plays for clubs, our Indian tabla player sometimes > teaches the audience a keherva rhythm as: > THEY go, with US for DINner > >> In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time signature you >> want to take on and just sing the syllables... > > What's really wild is watching an Indian audience clap in 10/4. > >> One long band practise or two playing different time signatures against >> each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this... > > Wow, I never thought of using Indian rhythms > _polyrhythmically_! Always something to learn! > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 17:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3D13BF07; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:17:16 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c628e5$af15a150$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602021625l412fdb48t428f69c2bcda5e31@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYoWUkVeX9n5KYqS+OyfhPcykWw3QAjCGVw Resent-Message-ID: <6eRWGD.A.taF.iA54DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:17:22 +0000 (UTC) > The worst is that I often find material that I think is > hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm > informed, "that's not hip-hop".... Well, on the other hand, after I told a fellow musician that I liked Boards of Canada and he replied "so you do like hip hop" and I couldn't believe that they are hip hop, he told me "to some people, what we just played is hip hop"... > Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open > to hearing it. Steve Coleman & Metrics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 17:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2CA03BF17; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <21366931.1138987603227.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:26:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar synth alternatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:26:44 +0000 (UTC) If we are discussing complete rearrangement of the guitar's waveform, then let us not forget the Alesis Bitrman. (Apologies if someone else already mentioned it.) ~Tim www.mungenast.com www.myspace.com/timmungenast -----Original Message----- >From: David Morton >Sent: Feb 3, 2006 5:03 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: guitar synth alternatives > >Also EHX POG (and probably HOG, but I've not found one of those on >this side of the pond yet). > >On 2/3/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> I'd also consider the Boss VF-1 and the TC Electronics Fireworks. I'm quite >> fond of the VF-1 synth section, and anyone who has heard me play knows what >> synth patch I'm talking about. Perhaps Per can speak to the Fireworks. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Monica Lokisdottir" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:30 PM >> Subject: guitar synth alternatives >> >> >> > > Just a thought off the top of my head re: "who wants a >> > guitar synth anyhow?"... >> > For excellent tone morphability without overly synthy >> > cheesiness - if you've got the bucks to spend right now... >> > www.eventide.com >> > Moderate price range - some of the Roger Mayer stuff. >> > If you're on a budget then something as simple as an old >> > BOSS ME-30 or 33 has very decent tone flexibility. >> > >> > Monica >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >> > The most personalized portal on the Web! >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 17:35:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B566D3BECD; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aOnFtV44mYrRV0i+xO8nUTpkWBfLYcxD4a4GLNAAKxP5sjsS2CppLVWpVdp0u2ZHw9w1Ainz9VEu4yTn4zPk+eXm8CmZDjTF2ZaTRZ5QaCsqrPQTU+YZyyHIsnIX+0BQIigIulULHsPBLTUhFEurf71pFO5T+2tUkGxBC2MbKbQ= ; Message-ID: <20060203173540.25562.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060202165205.679443BF25@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Okay, when I first looked at this, my mind immediately thought "Looperlative control interface"! Which answers my biggest beef about the Looperlative, the uninviting front panel interface. It's also my biggest beef about the EDP, and my greatest admiration for the Repeater. Okay, so I'm a keyboardist who occassionally has an extra hand free to tweek this thing. The main thing is that it would interface with the Looperlative (or the EDP or even the frikkin Repeater to give it pitch shifting on the fly...) and would do so in a way that would make even obscure functions easy to map. I could even see hooking up a pedal board in addition to this to control some of the start/stop/replace/record functions while having loop levels and pitch shifting/tempo mangling available for real time tweeking. Stephen Novation Remote 25SL I just saw a review of this in Sound-On-Sound magazine. Check out the two LCDs! You can download the editing software if you're interested. http://www.novationmusic.com/product.asp?id=30&Type=1&bArchive=False __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 17:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1D43BEF1; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:50:32 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Indian syllabic rhythms (was avant-garde thread) To: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003301c628ea$6c597c60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <024101c628cf$f3b0cf30$0402a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:50:04 +0000 (UTC) > Awesome post, Rick. It's nice to have such a cogent summary of the Indian > system - I'm moving this one into the "Keepers" folder. I'll second that! Many of Rick's posts are in my notebooks. If I ever publish any, he will get full props! BTW, anyone into Sheila Chandra? Her album "The Zen Kiss" has some excellent solo compositions built upon rhythmic syllabifications. Also Meredith Monk pops into my scrawny little brain at the moment. And on a GREAT box set of dumming called "The Big Bang," there's a cut called "A Quality of Seven" that has some excellent Indian drumming and occasional syllabic counting. I'd LOVE-LOVE-LOVE to have more recordings of Indian musicians doing syllabic counting; any recommendations? dB, coyote > > > > Amplifying on this concept a little: > > > > The Indians use these four subdivision: > > > > > Ta-ki (pronounced Taw kih) > > TWO > > 1 2 > > > > > Ta-ki-ta (pronounced Taw kih tuh) THREE > > 1 2 3 > > > > > Ta-ki-di-mi (pronounced Taw kih dee mee) FOUR > > 1 2 3 4 > > > > > Ta-ki-di-na-tom (pronounced Taw kih dee nah tom) FIVE > > 1 2 3 4 5 > > > > Interestingly, they stop at the threshold that Western > > psychologists in the > > latter 20th century discovered.: the number 5 . > > From what I've heard, human beings can keep five things in > > their heads, > > concieved of as separate things but that the minute we get > > to larger numbers we are forced to begin grouping into > > smaller increments. > > The Indians have known this intrinsically for hundreds of years. > > > > The emphasis always being on the 'Ta' or first syllable > > > > > > In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time > > signature you want to > > take on and just sing the syllables > > > > for example: > > > > 2 + 2 + 3 or Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki tuh > > 2 + 3 + 2 Ta ki Ta ki ta Ta ki > > 3 + 2 + 2 Ta ki ta Ta ki Ta ki > > > > 7/8 = 3 + 4 Ta ki ta Ta ki di mi > > 4 + 3 Ta ki di mi Ta ki ta > > > > 5 + 2 Ta ki di na tom Ta ki > > 2 + 5 Ta ki Ta ki di na tom > > > > > > Sing these combinations over and over, making sure that ever > > syllable takes > > exactly the same amount of time. > > There are more sophisticated games to play with this material > > and you can > > syncopate or leave out notes internal to each > > phrasing but this will give you all the basic phrasing > > possilities of each > > odd time signature you want to play in. > > > > Warning: If you are playing, say the first excercise above > > as an ostinato > > that your whole band is playing.................. > > it will really throw people if you use any of the other phrases > > simultaneously so you will need to check it out and > > also practise it with them if you plan on doing it live. > > One long band > > practise or two playing different time signatures against > > each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this > > (but you have > > to have relatively sophisticated musicians with a good > > internal sense of time and also, more importantly, their > > willingness to go > > along with these games that sound like gibberish > > until you get to know them better. > > > From accounts@ebayus.com Fri Feb 3 18:13:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mail.com (unknown [86.127.29.90]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D05F23BECF; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:13:36 +0000 (UTC) From: "accounts@ebayus.com" Subject: Notification of Limited Account Access (Routing Code:4C840-L001-Q190-T1836) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:16:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20060203181336.D05F23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; eBay.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 18:32:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0DC83BEF7; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:30:02 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #462 for February 2, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43E3A12A.4030201@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060202.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #462 February 2, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Dig It" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the two vinyl disc set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. Klaus Schulze - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [Z'ev] Elementonal S/T (Die Stadt) Gert Emmens and Conspiracy of Two Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Ruud Heij Forces Night (EH) Sound Solutions Inc. Pax Romana II SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) Michael Meara Astraea Abstractus Somnarium: Space Meditations (none) Arttek Lost Continent Tracks for Film (none) Mystified The Moon Ate the Sun The Hand of Jayanti (Blue Water) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Death of an Analogue Dig It (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Weird Caravan Dig It (Revisited) Klaus Schulze The Looper Isn't A Dig It (Revisited) Hooker Klaus Schulze Synthasy Dig It (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Esoteric Goody * Dig It (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be CD1 from "In Blue" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the two disc set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 18:47:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC16D3BF00; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RmfNM/3tfAGNIcOnA+JUIGaNjFH65Zy+wFgm2wm61yALil75MtpPI4GaQLidRQFKNlaJb1X2dpJIKWH5tCHfsyp+jutvX8t3tG0d6+EKQp872UAFJYUs2lyR8EssS4C5s2eIGZ742EUzFVp+UpcEaFNBadniW+aJrZLMB8HNGj0= ; Message-ID: <20060203184744.23755.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024201c628d0$783a40b0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9V5EcD.A.0PB.RV64DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey Warren thats a good way to put it! now the 6/8 Rumba clave derived from your example would probably be: foot,foot,da foot big foot a rumbear chico! Luis --- Warren Sirota wrote: > And my mantra for rhumba clave is: > > Foot, da foot, da foot big foot > > Actually, I only think it's rhumba clave. Figures > I'd forget the name of the > rhythm. I'll remember the rhythm forever, though. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:22 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in > US... > > > > > > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > > > > > You can actually get the hang of odd meter > really fast if you don't > > > count in numbers but in syllables, which takes > advantage of > > our speech centers. > > > > I have a song on my first album that is an > instrumental that > > goes back and forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), > and 6/8. The > > band could not figure it > > out until I made up nonsense words to sing to it: > > > > "I'm going to the store with my dog > > I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie > > My puppy doggie > > my puppy doggie > > he is a really spiffy doggie" > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. > > -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.c > om/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 18:52:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74BB73BF0D; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1v4Nf4SzS+QbWul8btpZNxVE6V/ulP2TJPQ5ezOjqnvFNad0ryCm5jAHT/dmOzeh1Q9Rd8rCjEprSPb7SVhdbeDB08yfuxgFmzhx6kAHcW+tpqmGLbk71M1E0wBPKwH0aFSavmot3VvMHDUnm3n3n5oGigKM++MMw+023cgKKAo= ; Message-ID: <20060203185204.88916.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060203184744.23755.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Interesting that this came up, as I'm trying to excersize that atrophied rhythm muscle with the help of Matthew Montfort at Bluebear school of music in San Francisco: http://www.ancient-future.com/rhythm.html Just getting his book and CDs has been a big help. Mark --- Luis Angulo wrote: > Hey Warren thats a good way to put it! now the 6/8 > Rumba clave derived from your example would probably > be: > foot,foot,da foot big foot > a rumbear chico! > Luis > > --- Warren Sirota wrote: > > > And my mantra for rhumba clave is: > > > > Foot, da foot, da foot big foot > > > > Actually, I only think it's rhumba clave. Figures > > I'd forget the name of the > > rhythm. I'll remember the rhythm forever, though. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:22 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in > > US... > > > > > > > > > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > > > > > > > You can actually get the hang of odd meter > > really fast if you don't > > > > count in numbers but in syllables, which takes > > advantage of > > > our speech centers. > > > > > > I have a song on my first album that is an > > instrumental that > > > goes back and forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), > > and 6/8. The > > > band could not figure it > > > out until I made up nonsense words to sing to > it: > > > > > > "I'm going to the store with my dog > > > I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie > > > My puppy doggie > > > my puppy doggie > > > he is a really spiffy doggie" > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or > phone > > number. > > > -Lycos Yellow Pages > > > > > > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.c > > om/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 19:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F23F93BF10; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c628f4$41572800$3711d255@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: , "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" References: <024101c628cf$f3b0cf30$0402a8c0@Lightning> <003301c628ea$6c597c60$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Indian syllabic rhythms (was avant-garde thread) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:01:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <7-QOgD.A.v8B.Qi64DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Ar this reminds me of last summer in Zurich. Rick gave us all a great lesson in rhythms, a very interesting approach which we all enjoyed. Cheers Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" ; "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" ; Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Indian syllabic rhythms (was avant-garde thread) >> Awesome post, Rick. It's nice to have such a cogent summary of the Indian >> system - I'm moving this one into the "Keepers" folder. > > I'll second that! Many of Rick's posts are in my notebooks. If I ever > publish any, he will get full props! > BTW, anyone into Sheila Chandra? Her album "The Zen Kiss" has some > excellent solo compositions built upon rhythmic syllabifications. Also > Meredith Monk pops into my scrawny little brain at the moment. And on a > GREAT box set of dumming called "The Big Bang," there's a cut called "A > Quality of Seven" that has some excellent Indian drumming and occasional > syllabic counting. I'd LOVE-LOVE-LOVE to have more recordings of Indian > musicians doing syllabic counting; any recommendations? > dB, coyote > >> > >> > Amplifying on this concept a little: >> > >> > The Indians use these four subdivision: >> > > >> > Ta-ki (pronounced Taw kih) >> > TWO >> > 1 2 >> > > >> > Ta-ki-ta (pronounced Taw kih tuh) THREE >> > 1 2 3 >> > > >> > Ta-ki-di-mi (pronounced Taw kih dee mee) FOUR >> > 1 2 3 4 >> > > >> > Ta-ki-di-na-tom (pronounced Taw kih dee nah tom) FIVE >> > 1 2 3 4 5 >> > >> > Interestingly, they stop at the threshold that Western >> > psychologists in the >> > latter 20th century discovered.: the number 5 . >> > From what I've heard, human beings can keep five things in >> > their heads, >> > concieved of as separate things but that the minute we get >> > to larger numbers we are forced to begin grouping into >> > smaller increments. >> > The Indians have known this intrinsically for hundreds of years. >> > >> > The emphasis always being on the 'Ta' or first syllable >> > >> > >> > In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time >> > signature you want to >> > take on and just sing the syllables >> > >> > for example: >> > >> > 2 + 2 + 3 or Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki tuh >> > 2 + 3 + 2 Ta ki Ta ki ta Ta ki >> > 3 + 2 + 2 Ta ki ta Ta ki Ta ki >> > >> > 7/8 = 3 + 4 Ta ki ta Ta ki di mi >> > 4 + 3 Ta ki di mi Ta ki ta >> > >> > 5 + 2 Ta ki di na tom Ta ki >> > 2 + 5 Ta ki Ta ki di na tom >> > >> > >> > Sing these combinations over and over, making sure that ever >> > syllable takes >> > exactly the same amount of time. >> > There are more sophisticated games to play with this material >> > and you can >> > syncopate or leave out notes internal to each >> > phrasing but this will give you all the basic phrasing >> > possilities of each >> > odd time signature you want to play in. >> > >> > Warning: If you are playing, say the first excercise above >> > as an ostinato >> > that your whole band is playing.................. >> > it will really throw people if you use any of the other phrases >> > simultaneously so you will need to check it out and >> > also practise it with them if you plan on doing it live. >> > One long band >> > practise or two playing different time signatures against >> > each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this >> > (but you have >> > to have relatively sophisticated musicians with a good >> > internal sense of time and also, more importantly, their >> > willingness to go >> > along with these games that sound like gibberish >> > until you get to know them better. >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 20:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 413463BEEE; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00a501c62836$8b960e90$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060202200304.90476.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00a501c62836$8b960e90$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <761EE206-75F6-401E-BCEB-15E4A4B6EA40@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: The coolest piece of gear I can buy for $130 (used) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:16:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:13:04 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I've got a slide from when I played in a country band a few years > ago (I used it for "Freebird"...no shit, we played that tune to > satisfy the masses, and it was quite fun...I wore my fingers raw > playing the solos at the end, however), but the eBow is a good > point. The question is, how many other loopers will I sound like if > I starting using this device? :) > Yes, but then Kim will be particularly enamored of your performances. ;-) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 20:28:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE0283BF06; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0ca801c6273e$d9084010$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <43E09DF2.30702@gmx.net> <0ca801c6273e$d9084010$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:32:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/ > fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/29865 (I've always wanted to hear one > of these) I'm quite fond of the PSA1. I was using digital modeling amps for years but have pretty much settled on the PSA1 plus a Vortex. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 20:55:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9843BEFC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:55:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 20:55:40.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[30E30470:01C62904] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) +1 on the PSA-1. I run it into the EDP then the Lexicon PCM80. Awesome sounds... Cheers Lou >From: Mark Hamburg >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:32:01 -0800 > >On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >>Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/ >>fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/29865 (I've always wanted to hear one of >>these) > >I'm quite fond of the PSA1. I was using digital modeling amps for years >but have pretty much settled on the PSA1 plus a Vortex. > >Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:09:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8673BEEC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=igDr+szVokyDjGcJBa4F/r4WCBv+4qDB/nGWc1dku5CcXlQ9BxG0diW/qtO8ho0REBVNESlKfzWS8JoFGgJG1HUmnCT2gJ32frGMVLvT2ymJw2FHEvxThlIMsIJONVgY2UXpZa7YEOdBjasdNGxJNb8BC4vc/Go8a1tNmHAyous= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602031309i1c3c5170xd450bab876df084c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:52 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller In-Reply-To: <20060203173540.25562.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060202165205.679443BF25@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060203173540.25562.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-EZ53C.A.B5F.ia84DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:09:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm quite excited about this one too, both as a general purpose MIDI controller and a control for Logic Pro. On the subject of MIDI controllers, does anyone hear use a Zendrum? D On 2/3/06, S V G wrote: > > Okay, when I first looked at this, my mind immediately thought "Loop= erlative control > interface"! Which answers my biggest beef about the Looperlative, the un= inviting front panel > interface. It's also my biggest beef about the EDP, and my greatest admi= ration for the Repeater. > Okay, so I'm a keyboardist who occassionally has an extra hand free to tw= eek this thing. The main > thing is that it would interface with the Looperlative (or the EDP or eve= n the frikkin Repeater to > give it pitch shifting on the fly...) and would do so in a way that would= make even obscure > functions easy to map. I could even see hooking up a pedal board in addi= tion to this to control > some of the start/stop/replace/record functions while having loop levels = and pitch shifting/tempo > mangling available for real time tweeking. > > Stephen > > > > > Novation Remote 25SL > > I just saw a review of this in Sound-On-Sound > magazine. Check out the two LCDs! You can download the > editing software if you're interested. > > http://www.novationmusic.com/product.asp?id=3D30&Type=3D1&bArchive=3DFals= e > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886A53BF04; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y8lqZZS1iSG54ArLGau+2c/Bzh6fbq0UO8atrdYb5gohrbfGaBeLb6seGgW5aT1PEw34fFmsAu26updeti3tamDEpT/S59XqNZxvoZp5rjU0QyMmcFqv5VqVQ2NLNSBLmESXMmwkspvbqvbOSDzck26XcV7fE4oscZO+a1uez8I= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602031311u5abeb6b5m8d729495580e90cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:11:30 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Godin-istas Unite! (was Vortex and acoustic guitar) Cc: Todd Howell In-Reply-To: <11824407.1138985020912.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <11824407.1138985020912.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:11:32 +0000 (UTC) I'm in the UK. On 2/3/06, Todd Howell wrote: > David > > I recieved your response and then added you my contact list. I really app= reciate your ideas. Thanks. There are a few questions that it brought up. I= will address you later with. Thanks many times over. From now on, it'll be= easier. Where are you in the world? > > Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:15:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F13113BF07; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:15:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2cl6ZD.A.IHG.0f84DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Warren wrote: "And my mantra for rhumba clave is: Foot, da foot, da foot big foot" Cool Warren, I love pnemonics............this particular one that you choose, however, works to remind you of when you learned the rhythm initially; another piece of holographic stored information that reminds us of the experience. but if you gave it to some one who didn't know the rhythm or wasn't there when you learned it, there is too much information missing to reconstruct the rhythm. What I mean is that there are rests between the syllables. But, how many rests are there? I know because I know the music but a rank beginner might not be able to reconstruct this particular one. This mantra is also clever in the fact that it gives you the reference to the downbeat, but again, for someone who didn't know it in the first place, they would think that Rumba Clave has 7 notes in it, when in fact, it has 5. Using that Indian phrasing system is a little bit more of an accurate map because it includes all of the points in what I call the *Syncopative Resolution of the rhythm. Rhumba Clave is (Ta ki ta)(Ta ki di mi)(Ta ki ta)(Ta ki)(Ta ki di mi) or in Western rhythm speak: > > > > > 1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e + a (and by the way, because this mantra works for you, it is as accurate a map of the rhythm as you need because you can find your way there, right?) * About the phrase Syncopative Resolution, I hate making up terms but Western Classical music, to my knowledge, has no exact term for the lowest common note resolution in a groove. For years I used the word Meter and then found out that I had used the term incorrectly. It only means the time signature, NOT the lowest note value used, underlying the entire rhythm. So, by Syncopative Resolution, I mean the lowest note value that is part of the 'groove' of a piece of music. In other words if you have a 16th note funk groove and the drummer plays a little 32nd note embellishment on his or her hi hats the Syncopative Resolution is 16th notes, NOT 32nd notes. When you are analyzing a rhythm to try and get it's feel correctly, it is very important that you know what that resolution is. Remember that if you have two measures of 8th notes in a pop groove and there is just one single 16th note offbeat on a kick drum that the entire piece has a Syncopative Resolution of 16th notes, NOT 8th notes. I tell my drum and bass students that it only takes one offbeat 16th note per two measures to turn a Rock or Soul groove into a Funk groove. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6725E3BF12; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602031309i1c3c5170xd450bab876df084c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060202165205.679443BF25@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060203173540.25562.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602031309i1c3c5170xd450bab876df084c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D115FC3-ED48-4A26-B77A-2CBE2B23E0E8@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:17:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7xxE-C.A.AOG.Ni84DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:18:05 +0000 (UTC) I just bought a zTar used. I'm trying to decide whether I will keep it or not -- it's very cool, kinda spendy, do I really need this, and on and on. Is anyone using these? ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:09 PM, David Morton wrote: > I'm quite excited about this one too, both as a general purpose MIDI > controller and a control for Logic Pro. > > On the subject of MIDI controllers, does anyone hear use a Zendrum? > > D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 21:35:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A60EE3BF1C; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ztar (was: Midi Controller... Looperlative controller) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:35:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <2D115FC3-ED48-4A26-B77A-2CBE2B23E0E8@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYpBwAcsWUOUJu8So2IvTe851RiWQAAgp3w Message-Id: <20060203213228.UTTH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <5zHi3C.A.XqG.py84DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 21:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Yes--I use a doubleneck Ztar for looping, that way I can control the looper (EDP) while I perform source material. Also Harvey Starr is a friend--I just moved to within half a mile from his place, and shared an evening this week playing music--no looping however. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:kellycoyle@charter.net] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller I just bought a zTar used. I'm trying to decide whether I will keep it or not -- it's very cool, kinda spendy, do I really need this, and on and on. Is anyone using these? ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:09 PM, David Morton wrote: > I'm quite excited about this one too, both as a general purpose MIDI > controller and a control for Logic Pro. > > On the subject of MIDI controllers, does anyone hear use a Zendrum? > > D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 3 22:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03EA73BEF4; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xIq9dK4/pb0BZUZlzT4B9Fx6rDtpeBZrhmBsLqgFFQFWEFW9L3Rz/oqyFcEPEMDxNbNepDXo77gdfDm0mOv0wazYE5V7M06XeYNU5gU5EN77sfLBeZABiB9mn4W+dGfzePLPXa+J2VEbGIWuRn5oUvA/LeKJZVTerTLs8Gjioyc= ; Message-ID: <20060203221845.70786.qmail@web50507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Indian syllabic rhythms (was avant-garde thread) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 22:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Great threads! This is the stuff that really gets me going! For folks interested in learning more about syllabic rhythms, I'll share a few great resources I've found in addition to the book Mark mentioned. - Google "konnokol", the Indian vocal percussion drum language. Practically any recordings you find are worth listening to. - Check out TaKeTiNa which fuses the idea of Indian talas with ideas from a few other music traditions and introduces the concept of rhythmic archetypes. Workshops, CDs, and concerts are available. Very polyrhythmic, very cool stuff. (I'm actually enrolled in an intensive three-year training in this work right now, so maybe I'm a little biased.) - Glen Velez & his wife Lori Cotler have workshops, CDs, and concerts all over the world too. Especially on their more recent material you can hear plenty of odd-meter, spoken-rhythm, polyrhythmic and beautifully textured music. There are other drum languages and non-counting rhythmic systems all over the world, too. But of all the ancient ones that I know about, the Indian system is definately the most structured. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:52:04 -0800 (PST) > From: mark sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > Interesting that this came up, as I'm trying to > excersize that atrophied rhythm muscle with the help > of Matthew Montfort at Bluebear school of music in San > Francisco: > > http://www.ancient-future.com/rhythm.html > > Just getting his book and CDs has been a big help. > > Mark > From WendyBoston@adulttoys4romance.com Fri Feb 3 23:03:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 200-148-80-253.dsl.telesp.net.br (200-148-80-253.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.148.80.253]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F1FB3BEE0 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 23:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Qa8S@localhost by 2cdQ.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:40:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ann Jura Nauseda" Reply-To: "Ann Jura Nauseda" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: XP Out of this WoRLD d3als on Systemworks titles from Lindsey Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:45:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: SamanthaRush@aclientbuilder.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--1mrKTfwErnnL8WZaW" GLG98n0fYfmtlT5reG ----1mrKTfwErnnL8WZaW Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X0paLQmR9sg=


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----1mrKTfwErnnL8WZaW-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 02:48:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D883BEE9; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037f01c62935$68f32ad0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=211227, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:48:02 +0000 (UTC) How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it has Fender and Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, PSA Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, why not PSA Jazz? Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used to be $700 about 5 years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > +1 on the PSA-1. I run it into the EDP then the Lexicon PCM80. Awesome > sounds... > Cheers > Lou > > >>From: Mark Hamburg >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) >>Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:32:01 -0800 >> >>On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >>>Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/ >>>fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/29865 (I've always wanted to hear one of >>>these) >> >>I'm quite fond of the PSA1. I was using digital modeling amps for years >>but have pretty much settled on the PSA1 plus a Vortex. >> >>Mark >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 03:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3D583BEE9; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060203192630.01ca9cc8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:36:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Indian syllabic rhythms In-Reply-To: <003301c628ea$6c597c60$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <024101c628cf$f3b0cf30$0402a8c0@Lightning> <003301c628ea$6c597c60$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:36:34 +0000 (UTC) At 09:50 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote: > BTW, anyone into Sheila Chandra? I was into Sheila Chandra a while ago. A _while_ ago. At the same time, I also listened a lot to Najma. I have her on _vinyl_. What Sheila is doing is what every Indian tabla player does first: learn to say all the bols (syllables) and then learn how to put the bols together into tals (rhythmic cycle). A good site if you're interested in tabla is: http://chandrakantha.com/tablasite/ Chandra (different Chandra) and David also have an excellent series of textbooks on Tabla which are available from the site. Finally, if you're in the Eugene, Oregon, USA area I can point you to our tabla player, who holds a BA in Tabla and has been playing since he was six years old. He may still be taking students. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 03:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1203C3BEF1; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060203194143.01d05008@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:44:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: <20060203185204.88916.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060203184744.23755.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> <20060203185204.88916.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:44:14 +0000 (UTC) At 10:52 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >http://www.ancient-future.com/rhythm.html >Just getting his book and CDs has been a big help. The book that I think Marks is referring to is "Ancient Traditions Future Possibilities..." at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0937879002/qid=1139024475/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9280961-6851058?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 You don't have to _buy_ it from Amazon, mind, but Amazon will let you browse. It is a good book. Lots of exercises and ideas to get your rhythm muscle working. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 03:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68B263BEF4; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060203194718.01c89930@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:49:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Zendrum (was: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602031309i1c3c5170xd450bab876df084c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20060202165205.679443BF25@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060203173540.25562.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602031309i1c3c5170xd450bab876df084c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:49:02 +0000 (UTC) At 01:09 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >On the subject of MIDI controllers, does anyone hear use a Zendrum? See: http://www.createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1146&Itemid=44 for the latest on the Zendrum (and for my comments on it). Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 07:14:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAC983BEDB; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b001c6285b$f5ec5900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00b001c6285b$f5ec5900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:14:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:14:13 +0000 (UTC) At 4:51 PM -0800 2/2/06, loop.pool wrote: >>mech wrote: >> >>So, to summarize, there is interesting Hip Hop being made. You just >>have to get out of the US to find it. > >ooooooh, I'm sorry but I will contend that statement with all due >respect, mech: You contention of my criticism accepted with all due respect, of course. ;) (One note before we get started however: I just want to bring it back that because I don't find the current state of American beat music very inspired, I don't necessarily agree with the article that started all this. Just because I think there's not a lot of interesting Hip Hop being produced here, that doesn't mean I agree those artists here are inherently incapable of producing interesting Hip Hop. That's due to a choice, not a lack of ability, IMNSHO.) >There is wonderful experimental and very innovative hip hop going on >in every big city >in the US these days. > >There are also a lot of indie underground bands who have hip hop >backgrounds as kids >and are doing spoken word over backing tracks that is like a more >laid back version of hip hop. >There are at least three groups in my small home town alone >exploring this territory. The spoken word stuff sounds interesting. Since we're talking local, I think there may be a couple of people here in Chicago doing similar things. However, I think at times our own history here hangs around our necks like an albatross. Supposedly, the first Poetry Slams originated over in Uptown at the Green Mill decades ago. So people seem to uphold tradition and venerate the spoken word performances, and don't tend to push them too far out on a limb. House music started here, so people also look at you a little funny if you try to take that musical form further out -- as if you're somehow betraying your roots. That's somewhat understandable considering the way different cities put their own stylistic stamp on the same sort of music; House from Chi, Techno from Detroit, Acid from London, etc., etc... If anything, I see a lot of the innovators here slipping into Beatboxing. I think that's because there's not any real baggage that comes along with that. And there's a small IDM community here, but a couple of the record stores that were at the center of that scene have closed in the past year and left it a bit rudderless. It doesn't help that a local artist will just start to get some recognition, then suddenly blast outta here for parts unknown (Greg Davis' recent move to Vermont, or Telefon Tel Aviv to New Orleans, immediately come to mind here). In addition, I think Hip Hop has become so mainstream that a lot of innovators intentionally steer clear of it. It's sort of like when the big-hair spandex metal bands were at their peak. For a while it was tough to maintain your self-esteem as a guitar player when most of your peers were more concerned with hair spray than doing anything truly innovative. The guys who are left in the spotlight are, like the dinosaur rock bands, more concerned with getting wasted or getting laid (not necessarily in that order). >Ever heard ClouDdead? Check 'em out. Saw an article on them in Grooves magazine, but haven't actually heard any of their stuff. Now I'll have to go find some. Didn't they just put out their "final" album and call it quits (ala Big Black)? (aside: speaking of Grooves, i just saw that they've now gone completely digital. nuts, this is going to put a real crimp in my bathroom reading material.) >ps Also, and this is out of the US, but nobody seems to know about >the wonderful group, originally from East Berlin before the fall of >the wall, TARWATER. I picked up "Dwellers on the Threshold" for a buck last year when another local record store was going under. Didn't really get into it, but I'm not sure what I was expecting. I'll have to go dig it back out again. On a completely different note, I was over on iTunes the other day and picked up the Nation 12 collaboration with John Foxx. I don't think I ever would have thought of that combination -- heavy Hip Hop-style drum and bass tracks with Foxx's trademark monotone, alienated (and often vocoded) vocals over the top. However, I was pleasantly surprised to find that it actually works very well. --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 09:31:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243EA3BEEE; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=34Ggj+T4f92SCKh9ap/GdAwIS4SCTArzRnxXp6qRIYkzxtCUBYFyWmjoj+W6Mj09m9XSJu7bvDQAtgZWvc6Ab732YoPXAmQjgSGnBuhlR5xvku5K7uaDaKzSEJHW3r7M9XPnMpoCzueRR3Y2CgRS0lUk5l71G/JgYOzyCkzGBCI= ; Message-ID: <20060204093100.17364.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Rick,i was asked one time to explain the rumba clave in 6/8 to somebody and i had a real difficult time doing it,so i set up the metronome to 3/4 and told him to first tap his hand on the table on the one with his left hand and then repeat: "together, right together,right left right,together" and then tap with the right hand accordingly to what he is saying,with the right on the offbeat or together with the left hand on the downbeat,then when you take the left hand you would have the clave on the right hand.He did get it when tapping the hands together but taking the left hand just proved to difficult,i mean how would you explain it with syllables? --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Warren wrote: > "And my mantra for rhumba clave is: > > Foot, da foot, da foot big foot" > > Cool Warren, > > I love pnemonics............this particular one that > you choose, however, > works to remind you of when you > learned the rhythm initially; another piece of > holographic stored > information that reminds us of the experience. > but if you gave it to some one who didn't know the > rhythm or wasn't there > when you learned it, > there is too much information missing to reconstruct > the rhythm. > > What I mean is that there are rests between the > syllables. > > But, how many rests are there? I know because I > know the music but a rank > beginner might not be able to reconstruct this > particular one. > > This mantra is also clever in the fact that it gives > you the reference to > the downbeat, but again, for someone who didn't know > it > in the first place, they would think that Rumba > Clave has 7 notes in it, > when in fact, it has 5. > > > Using that Indian phrasing system is a little bit > more of an accurate map > because it includes all of the points > in what I call the *Syncopative Resolution of the > rhythm. > > Rhumba Clave is > > (Ta ki ta)(Ta ki di mi)(Ta ki ta)(Ta ki)(Ta ki di > mi) > > or in Western rhythm speak: > > > > > > > > 1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e > + a > > > (and by the way, because this mantra works for > you, it is as accurate a > map of the rhythm > as you need because you can find your way there, > right?) > > > * About the phrase Syncopative Resolution, I hate > making up terms but > Western Classical music, to my knowledge, > has no exact term for the lowest common note > resolution in a groove. For > years I used the word Meter and then found out that > I had > used the term incorrectly. It only means the time > signature, NOT the > lowest note value used, underlying the entire > rhythm. > So, by Syncopative Resolution, I mean the lowest > note value that is part of > the 'groove' of a piece of music. In other words if > you have > a 16th note funk groove and the drummer plays a > little 32nd note > embellishment on his or her hi hats the Syncopative > Resolution is > 16th notes, NOT 32nd notes. > > When you are analyzing a rhythm to try and get it's > feel correctly, it is > very important that you know what that resolution > is. > Remember that if you have two measures of 8th notes > in a pop groove and > there is just one single 16th note offbeat on a kick > drum > that the entire piece has a Syncopative Resolution > of 16th notes, NOT 8th > notes. > > I tell my drum and bass students that it only takes > one offbeat 16th note > per two measures to turn a Rock or Soul groove into > a Funk groove. > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 09:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E5463BEFE; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FiPxkSYKm/LouxNR21WuXyu/S2hHPbwGesCaRWeR7qMuCzRAq7b0Vs/zPQNioZ3u4lgEi1bExYh9wLS5sGFbPt01Gr4DInOaceNBq3hue8ne9SZF8r0akVHcXxBLoOhSWheoHtxR+SjrnQ/8afl+hQk9MZLVGjLTwQmSvldfxqo= ; Message-ID: <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Nfkw.A.3xG.yXH5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:37:54 +0000 (UTC) I just heard that Electrix Pro want to only release the new R´pter O.S. with the new unit i am pissed! should we all repeater owners go and protest on the streets? www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 10:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A866E3BEF7; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> In-Reply-To: <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:03:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release here, but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now allows you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to the internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length will still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted an extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, but the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 Cheers, Chris http://rekliner.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 10:24:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D343BF06; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:24:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 126, in=77497, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-PQZ3.A.mrH.0DI5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:24:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded LoopyLlama last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty program for a basic looper. I was able to get it going with my Behringer in no time, using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be cool to use both it and Mobius in some clever fashion. :) I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know much about the JamMan. I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered reverse, no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the free, un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map my Behringer to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record works fine, but no dice on Clear. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kline" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release here, > but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now allows > you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to the > internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length will > still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live > looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted an > extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I > perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! > > Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, but > the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. > Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at > http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. > > The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) > that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 > > Cheers, > > > Chris > http://rekliner.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 10:29:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32BF93BF0D; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 03:29:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 463, in=226626, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <1kjYC.A.VxH.FII5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:29:25 +0000 (UTC) I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note send to the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it is just my system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to Mobius and triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it wouldn't work with Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded LoopyLlama > last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty program for a > basic looper. I was able to get it going with my Behringer in no time, > using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be cool to use both it and > Mobius in some clever fashion. :) > > I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan > users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know much > about the JamMan. > > I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered reverse, > no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the free, > un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map my Behringer > to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record works fine, but no > dice on Clear. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Kline" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM > Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > > >> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release here, >> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >> allows >> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to the >> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length >> will >> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted an >> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >> >> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, but >> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. >> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >> >> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) >> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Chris >> http://rekliner.com >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 10:53:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522863BEFE; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater O.S. 2 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:53:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Get your old one modded with the Pete Toms upgrade, and buy a looperlative. the protesting will only get you arrested ;( ;( ;( Bill -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater O.S. 2 I just heard that Electrix Pro want to only release the new R´pter O.S. with the new unit i am pissed! should we all repeater owners go and protest on the streets? www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 11:14:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83ECB3BF0F; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43E48C86.2030703@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:14:14 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just tried mapping it within Ableton Live - I could see Live receiving the message and attempt to reset, but the plugin itself did not respond. Clicking the clear button worked though. Andreas Kris Hartung wrote: > I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note > send to the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it > is just my system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to > Mobius and triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it > wouldn't work with Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM > Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > > >> I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded >> LoopyLlama last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty >> program for a basic looper. I was able to get it going with my >> Behringer in no time, using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be >> cool to use both it and Mobius in some clever fashion. :) >> >> I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan >> users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know >> much about the JamMan. >> >> I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered >> reverse, no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the >> free, un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map >> my Behringer to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record >> works fine, but no dice on Clear. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kline" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM >> Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >> >> >>> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release >>> here, >>> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >>> allows >>> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening >>> to the >>> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop >>> length will >>> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >>> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you >>> wanted an >>> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >>> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >>> >>> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other >>> features, but >>> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. >>> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >>> >>> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) >>> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Chris >>> http://rekliner.com >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 11:48:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B6B63BF13; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ETPwXtu7I3dnZJxEUTVUKUjzzDmhhvYrR/9iR5fHPLVV6yVJLc7tCbaxPgU4XhAqc+6a0jqLVIvWmXzubftH64U5HeljZQT3hpFq/CoWor0InjgyNjP+5Q/T+pRFDbOmPYh/nAyCXj934yCgWwFIhAUUnQN08FiTANvQyXyHL80= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602040348kc2efac6x9be3bfcc556a5173@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:05 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zendrum (was: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060203194718.01c89930@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060202165205.679443BF25@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060203173540.25562.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602031309i1c3c5170xd450bab876df084c@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060203194718.01c89930@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:48:12 +0000 (UTC) On 2/4/06, Kevin wrote: > See: > http://www.createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dv= iew&id=3D1146&Itemid=3D44 > for the latest on the Zendrum Yes it was the CDM item that sparked my interest. Now I need to find someone with one on this side of the pond. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 13:15:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9473BF0A; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iZifSyfEtHPbgSGHHYg54B6dXaVc/4JTRc5NN7fMtJBMSMrL+tjj54fTdqRe1vHsy1RqCK8VyN5RDaQBTMQLFWTZ4NJgxi4YZ0w9/Yirit459p5rMdocN7yJy3baJNGcMGNDq/9aCo1X37oY5VeG56vKEPfqJkrNRP/0whWXgIQ= ; Message-ID: <20060204131503.2646.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 05:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:15:05 +0000 (UTC) ture but we might be in the news;-) here is the message form Peter: > The OS2 for Repeater is alive and well - I can't say much, but we're > trying to find out if they will release it. I've talked to > engineering and the OS is complete, but that Electrix wants to > release it only with new product. I'm working on this, we'll see what > happens... > > Peter --- William Walker wrote: > Get your old one modded with the Pete Toms upgrade, > and buy a looperlative. > the protesting will only get you arrested ;( > ;( ;( > Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater O.S. 2 > > > I just heard that Electrix Pro want to only release > the new R´pter O.S. with the new unit i am pissed! > should we all repeater owners go and protest on the > streets? > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 13:47:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86DF13BF15; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:49:01 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Ztar (was: Midi Controller... Looperlative controller) In-reply-to: <20060203213228.UTTH20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c62991$c199b2b0$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8iH-gD.A.uwF.uBL5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:47:27 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to see a video of *that*, Gary. Cool. Say hi to Harvey for me - he was one of MIDI guitarist's few advertisers. A nice guy and brilliant inventor. I'm glad he's still in the game. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Ztar (was: Midi Controller... Looperlative controller) > > > Yes--I use a doubleneck Ztar for looping, that way I can > control the looper > (EDP) while I perform source material. > Also Harvey Starr is a friend--I just moved to within half a > mile from his place, and shared an evening this week playing > music--no looping however. Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:kellycoyle@charter.net] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Novation Midi Controller... Looperlative controller > > I just bought a zTar used. I'm trying to decide whether I will keep > it or not -- it's very cool, kinda spendy, do I really need > this, and > on and on. Is anyone using these? > > > > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:09 PM, David Morton wrote: > > > I'm quite excited about this one too, both as a general > purpose MIDI > > controller and a control for Logic Pro. > > > > On the subject of MIDI controllers, does anyone hear use a Zendrum? > > > > D > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 15:25:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24EF23BF0C; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.161.166.187] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <037f01c62935$68f32ad0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:25:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 15:25:17.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[33CA4270:01C6299F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:25:19 +0000 (UTC) I had mine for 10 yrs & I know they have revamped the unit as well. I see them used for around 350 these days. As far as the Jazz tones go, some of the fender presets work well & the one clean marshall sounds good too. Cheers Lou >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) >Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:47:58 -0700 > >How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it has Fender and >Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, PSA Rock, >PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, why not PSA Jazz? Damn. I see >they are down to $580 or so...used to be $700 about 5 years ago...they >didn't go down much, did they? > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:55 PM >Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > >>+1 on the PSA-1. I run it into the EDP then the Lexicon PCM80. Awesome >>sounds... >>Cheers >>Lou >> >> >>>From: Mark Hamburg >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) >>>Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:32:01 -0800 >>> >>>On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: >>> >>>>Tech21 SansAmp PSA1 - http://www.geartree.com/Shop/Control/Product/ >>>>fp/vpid/944876/vpcsid/0/SFV/29865 (I've always wanted to hear one of >>>>these) >>> >>>I'm quite fond of the PSA1. I was using digital modeling amps for years >>>but have pretty much settled on the PSA1 plus a Vortex. >>> >>>Mark >>> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 16:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEEB03BF10; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d4dg21tTOb9JdEX4rHXsSGlnRqaKMxTnfkpZd8fxxhr2FIJBafWFbQOri9GdkF7Akoy57eXG/iptGtU43NE76QnGKU7fViOWKckbQOq+6FYwA4rBjiT5/xMoe6NMNJV9yzDBJtoEn1/sKwocj/JpxYaqWEH0C+3IYDZcIjZteO8= ; Message-ID: <20060204162606.96957.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: New upload at MySpace.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A680F@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) I've just uploaded another loop-heavy track to which comes from one of the two CDs I've got midway through the birthing process right now. (Messy metaphor; the musical content has been ready for a couple of months now, but the format is the holdup. They were going to be CDR releases, but I've unexpectedly had more interest in them than I anticipated, too much to keep up with, so I'm rethinking doing a replication run for at least one of them...) The new upload is called "Orphans Among Strangers" and features cello and percussion with loopage galore, and should be listened to at a rather high volume when your neighbors aren't home. Of [possible] interest: the "gong" that you hear a few times in the track is actually a broken crash cymbal miked right on the edge a la Saucerful of Secrets and slowed way down in SoundForge and eq'ed to sound bigger! The track comes from the CD 'Rantai' which is a collection of pieces I've done in association with the Chain Tape Collective over the past seven years. It's about 1/3 previously-released material from CT projects, 1/3 unreleased and/or radically remixed CT stuff and 1/3 new material with some connection to the projects. 'Orphans' is one of the new ones, while the nylon-string and flute piece 'Xylem' is from the CT-Acoustic project, available as a free download (as are ALL of the CT projects) at . Come on over and join us! The other loop-related track, 'Leaf' is from the CD 'Mesh' which was originally commissioned for a gallery opening associated with a 30-year retrospective show of the metalsmithing program at the Maine College of Art. Unfortunately, the opening fell through when the gallery at which it was to take place went under, but the upside is that having had to work with a deadline I actually finished the thing, and was left with 48 minutes of new music. The album retains the metallurgical connection in that all of the titles are double entendres on metalsmithing terms. 'Leaf' is a pice for shakuhachi and Nellotron (my old pc's soundcard playing mellotron soundfonts through my pedalboard). Hope you enjoy them! -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 16:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9A083BF15; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c629a8$9c0781a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:32:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4LgfLC.A.DzB.fcN5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:32:31 +0000 (UTC) very nice post, mech i learned a lot. i hear your frustration with the status quo and your analogy to the big hair metal days is really a well thought out take on the subject. i think you are exactly right about the number of creative musicians who eschew hip hop for that very reason. As Bjork said, "The laptop if the folk instrument of the twenty first century." Where I live a hell of a lot of the young creativity going on is in the realm of creative laptopery. Unfortunately, a lot of those musicians either feel they have no place to play or are very reticent to put there stuff out into the public so you don't get to see a lot of it. About five years ago I did 7 concerts called the FESCE (festival of emerging santa cruz electronica) where 35 young local artists had there debut in public..............it was great and a scene started to happen but then they closed down the last affordable small performance space in town and it squashed the emerging scene. Luckily in our little town, there have been some changes (that we have fought long and hard for politically) so that there are suddenly a lot of new venues in town and all businesses can now have entertainment for under 100 people in the audience without having to pay a fee. Hopefully good things will come of it. also, i think that Chicago, while having innovated a lot of styles is a very style bound city and in certain respects though having provided our culture with a lot of very cool things it can be a very conservative and slightly repressed scene for all the reasons you mentioned. I do really love some of the more expansive jazz and jazz fusions that have been coming out of there in recent years. I saw the Chicago Underground Duo and LOVED THEM to pieces.................wow, what a great show. Is that scene still pretty vibrant or has the traditional strait jacket syndrome set into the AACM scene too? For Tarwater, please check out the first two CDs they have out. They are, by far the best. There's is a very understated vibe but I think of them as being as creative as anyone in new electronica/trip hop. To Roccoco Rot is the same way. I love there 2nd CD. It doesn't hit you over the head with a hammer but has really understated brilliance imho. It's a constant on the holographic turntables of my wife and I. And is that John Foxx thing, by the former lead singer of UltraVox? oooooooh, I can't wait to hear that. I saw them live early on and really loved them........................right around the time of "Systems of Romance" which sounds surprisingly good after twenty plus years...................a friend just burned it for me. While we are on that topic, have you hear the last thing WIRE did. What incredible guitar tones he's getting.......................it is so minimal as to fake you into thinking it isn't intelligent but I think it is a kind of genius. yours, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 17:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0886C3BF17; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.1b23b60f.311639a1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:08:49 EST Subject: looping on npr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:08:58 +0000 (UTC) A segment on artist KT Tunstall and her looping, today on Weekend Edition - Saturday Feb.4 : http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5187870 regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 17:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D27DB3BF14; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c629b0$0a843fe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "LUIS ANGULO & Nadja Plouda" Subject: ODD TIME RHYTHM GAMES was Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:25:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo (one of the funkiest musicians I've ever had the pleasure to play with) asked: "Rick, i was asked one time to explain the rumba clave in 6/8.............how would you explain it with syllables?" I love this one because it is a great example of "playing odds in the evens" You can think of the 6/8 Rumba Clave as a combination of the phrases 5 + 7 (Taki)(Takita)(Taki)(Taki)(Takita) 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 This rhythm, it is interesting to know, is almost non existent in West Africa whereas the 6/8 Son Clave is found almost everywhere. You can think of 6/8 Son Clave as 7 + 5 (Taki)(Taki)(Takita)(Taki)(Takita) 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 PLAYING ODDS in the EVENS Here's a great game, by the way. If the 12 notes of 6/8 can be played as 7 + 5 then two bars can be thought of as 7 + 5 + 7 + 5 Rearrange those phrases and you get 7 + 7 + 5 + 5 By doing this you have now played a phrase of 14 and a phrase of 10 The first phrase of 14 then crossed the bar line. In 4/4 with 16th notes you can play 9 + 7 + 9 + 7 = 9 + 9 + 7 + 7 or two exact bars of 4/4 Try this concept as a soloing idea over a typical funk groove and tell your band mates to hold onto their hats (and the groove). It sounds like you have gone to Mars in your solo and yet you land right back on good 'ol ONE when you finish the phrase. In 6/8 I love to play this game by rearranging these simple addition phrases 12 = 3 + 9 = 5 + 7 So , in two bars you can get a beautiful cascading phrase that diminishes 9 + 7 + 5 + 3 Try this now in 4/4 (using 16ths again) 16 = 13 + 3 = 11 + 5 = 9 + 7 So, in three bars you can play 13 + 11 + 9 + 7 + 5 + 3 This diminishes nicely (and is easy for an audience to hear though difficult to hold the groove underneath it...................lol, but it's good for your rhythm section to learn how to play it) ************************ This brings me to a concept that I have come up with myself about using Odd Time combinations. It's what I call the concept of the BROKEN PULSE. > > > If I play a rhythm of 6 notes I can get 3 EVEN PULSES Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki Sing: 1 * 2 * 3 * > > > > If I play a rhythm of 8 notes I get 4 EVEN PULSES Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki Sing: 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * > > > If I play a rhythm of 7 notes I get what I call 3 BROKEN PULSES Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki ta Sing: 1 * 2 * 3 * * where the last pulse has one more note in it causing a 'skipping' feeling. A really fast way of practising combinations of ODD time signature phrases is to memorize all the pulses of the common ODD time signatures. 3 = 1 Broken Pulse = 1 * * 5 = 2 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2* * 7 = 3 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2 * 3 * * 9 = 4 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * * 11 = 5 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 * * and so on........ A way to practise these phrases is by singing, (with 9 as an example) 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 d d (one two three four dih dih) > > > > TakiTakiTakiTakita If you see what I mean, this is a very fast way of memorizing odd time groupings: just add up some numbers that get you where you want to go (remember you don't have to start your rhythmic phrase on the downbeat..............................start, say on the downbeat of 2 in a measure of sixteenths. You are now 12 notes away from the downbeat of 1. Time for a 1 * 2 * 3 d d 1 * 2 d d combination. This concept was taught to me by the great drummer Steve Smith to give credit where credit is due. Anecdotally, I taught him how to play authentic traditional Reggae that same weekend, but I think I got the much better end of the stick with this concept..........lol. I use it constantly in soloing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 17:48:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A35F33BF1B; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:47:59 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001501c628e5$af15a150$0601a8c0@succubus> Message-Id: <61A7508C-95A6-11DA-9405-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <1pr05.A.FkD.SjO5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:48:02 +0000 (UTC) On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 09:17 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> The worst is that I often find material that I think is >> hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm >> informed, "that's not hip-hop".... > > Well, on the other hand, after I told a fellow musician that I liked > Boards > of Canada and he replied "so you do like hip hop" and I couldn't > believe > that they are hip hop, he told me "to some people, what we just played > is > hip hop"... I learned years ago never to dismiss entire genres of music. It's too easy to say, "I hate Country", for example, and then hear an Hank Williams tune that just tears your apart. Even easy listening had its geniuses, Matin Denny, Esquivel, Les Baxter, etc. Hip Hop is the same, there's the commercial stuff that sucks, but there are people working in the margins doing fascinating and innovative stuff. Always look to the margins... > >> Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open >> to hearing it. > > Steve Coleman & Metrics > > Great, great record. That record literally determined the direction my music has been heading for the last few years. Other Hip Hop to check out: Mike Ladd: Anything he's involved with is at least interesting, and often brilliant. "Welcome to the Afterfuture" from 1999 is up there with "Fear of a Black Planet" as one of the all-time best hip hop albums. He's collaborated with a number of jazz musicians, his record with Vijay Iyer's band, "In What Language," is just terrific, a theater piece about travelling while non-white in the post 9-11 world, it also has some astounding playing. His latest, "Presents Father Devine" is perhaps his most straight-ahead rap album, but it's very cool. Subtle: Rick W. mentioned the Bay-Area based Anticon collective, Subtle is sort of a supergroup of Anticon members. Subtle is an amazing live band, with a drummer who doubles guitar, an electric cellist, a keyboardist who doubles woodwinds, a guy who is a virtuoso at tapping out live beats on an MPC, and Dose One, one of the most innovative rappers I've heard, he's faster (and whiter-sounding) than Eminem, with a serious taste for the surreal. He's also a great frontman, he'd be a terrific stand-up comedian. I saw them on one of their last shows with Dax Pierson, who was unfortunately paralyzed in a tragic tour van accident last year. Subtle is still going, though, and very much worth seeing. Blackalicious: Their "Blazing Arrow" disc from a few years ago is what commercial hip hop should be, catchy as hell, great grooves, lots of soul, and smart content. Their new disc "The Craft" is more socially conscious, and gets more funky. It reminds me of Curtis Mayfield's great stuff from the '70's. There's many more, but I got no more time to write... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F233BF1D; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <239.64dbf9a.31164855@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:11:33 EST Subject: sing this loop along with me To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_239.64dbf9a.31164855_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:11:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_239.64dbf9a.31164855_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit II: here we go steelers here we go:II.....i was not allowed to watch the last several games because my family considers me a BAD LUCK kind of guy.....i didn't watch and here the steelers are at the supper bowl.....is there a connection? hmmmmm!.....what to do tamri!!!!!.....i looped my brains (what's left of them) out during the last few games.....perhaps i will just fire up the ol "sonic boombalator" and loop on out and catch the results on the news.....if truth be told, i find all sports pretty boreing anyway, except for olympic walking!.....:)m --part1_239.64dbf9a.31164855_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable II: here we go steelers here we go:II..= ...i was not allowed to watch the last several games because my family consi= ders me a BAD LUCK kind of guy.....i didn't watch and here the steelers are=20= at the supper bowl.....is there a connection? hmmmmm!.....what to do tamri!!= !!!.....i looped my brains (what's left of them) out during the last few gam= es.....perhaps i will just fire up the ol "sonic boombalator" and loop on ou= t and catch the results on the news.....if truth be told, i find all sports=20= pretty boreing anyway, except for olympic walking!.....:)m --part1_239.64dbf9a.31164855_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:19:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23AAD3BF1C; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Ztar video Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:18:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <000001c62991$c199b2b0$0402a8c0@Lightning> Thread-Index: AcYpkY0LaLZgFXPdStC0xYCjNroEEwAJatkg Message-Id: <20060204181911.QZBE25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC) I DO have a video of me looping with it at, of all places, the Mission Bay Hilton--shall I send you a copy? Thus far I have only shared it with Rick Walker . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Ztar (was: Midi Controller... Looperlative controller) I'd like to see a video of *that*, Gary. Cool. Say hi to Harvey for me - he was one of MIDI guitarist's few advertisers. A nice guy and brilliant inventor. I'm glad he's still in the game. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:34:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA91B3BF1D; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kmRbHRg23zFOz2w+bp8LlJILI2NrJDkBeqADQavF8aiWcG0JaxSjy6a/AhkQD80GVmp3uRLAGMWpTD8bNx4gATa7/vhc/kbDxikkv9wK69cbBGQ+3AcbdA3sgy+h98vkfLduoQcpqWEoighMpIooh57RR+HNHT2CaHPeb4XKuT0= ; Message-ID: <20060204183446.45774.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:34:46 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060204111422.53CB33BF14@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Are you just spreading rumours or do you have definate facts to back you up? Hearsay doesn't count for much these days on the Internet... Stephen <> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F1E3BF2B; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: sing this loop along with me Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:38:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C62977.2E1A4B40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <239.64dbf9a.31164855@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C62977.2E1A4B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go Steelers!, I'm rooting for the Steelers for one reason only. cause I know that if they win, Scoots will make Bank on tips at the hoidy toidy restaraunt he works at. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sing this loop along with me II: here we go steelers here we go:II.....i was not allowed to watch the last several games because my family considers me a BAD LUCK kind of guy.....i didn't watch and here the steelers are at the supper bowl.....is there a connection? hmmmmm!.....what to do tamri!!!!!.....i looped my brains (what's left of them) out during the last few games.....perhaps i will just fire up the ol "sonic boombalator" and loop on out and catch the results on the news.....if truth be told, i find all sports pretty boreing anyway, except for olympic walking!.....:)m ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C62977.2E1A4B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Go=20 Steelers!, I'm rooting for the Steelers for one reason only. cause I = know that=20 if they win, Scoots will make Bank on tips at the hoidy toidy restaraunt = he=20 works at.
Bill
 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C62977.2E1A4B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A2973BF34; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <41DE73BD-83C2-45B1-9268-BBDB5A2CCDE4@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Bill Walker looping on Video... Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:46:49 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Just got sent this link by Rick Turner - http://www.gourmet-guitars.com/video.asp?mofile=turner_vol_2_teaser.mov it's a trailer for a DVD in a series called Gourmet Guitars, and luthiery, and of loop-interest is that it features own own lovely Bill Walker playing his Renaissance guitar through a D-Tar Mama Bear and doing some lovely subtle loopage. More proof why Bill is one of my favourite guitar players, cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 18:56:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BFAE3BF36; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <037f01c62935$68f32ad0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <037f01c62935$68f32ad0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24037CBB-0D81-4510-89C0-E969A59CCE87@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:59:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:56:18 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 3, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it has > Fender and Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have > PSA Blues, PSA Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, > why not PSA Jazz? Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used > to be $700 about 5 years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? They are analog not digital so Moore's law has less effect on price. They trend toward high-gain sounds, but they clean up pretty well. I mostly run with a fairly clean patch. They have at least one standard patch named "Jazz" listed as part of their "Fender styles" list. If you have the Y2K3 CD's, my track is PSA-1 into the Vortex (followed by 2 EDPs and an AM8000R). I can also post the track somewhere if you are really curious. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:11:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664873BF2F; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048b01c629be$d11a61d0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Call for Experimental Short Films and Videos Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:11:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 126, in=77600, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - I am putting on a major experimental music festival here in Boise, Idaho on April 28-29, which will likely have a few hundred people attending, and is being held at the largest art gallery down town. Rick Walker, Lumper/Splitter (Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon), and Ted Killian/Jeff Kaiser are headlining, and I have 8 local experimental/electronic musicians playing as well....including a theramin player! It is the "1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival". Next year, I'll start inviting folks from other countries, like yourself. Anyway, in addition to the music, I am featuring experimental or interesting film. I am showing a slide-show video from Michael Peters, of his "Stretched Landscapes" and digital art, plus my "Microscopic Horrors", avant-garde microscopic organism music video. These pieces must be no more than 12 minutes. If you have something avant-garde, experimental, or just plain weird, and you would like me to feature it, let me know. I can download it, or you could send it to me on DVD. I would give you all due credit. This will be a fun event. It mixes music and art, and it is at a gallery that features avant-garde art. I have 10 intermission slots of 15 min each, where I'll be featuring film, music videos, performance art, and a lecture on the history of experimental/electronic music. Here is the website for the event: www.boisemusicians.com/experimental Cheers, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 19:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADEB63BF34; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,89,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2097293073:sNHT20238028" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <048b01c629be$d11a61d0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <048b01c629be$d11a61d0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--286010987 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Call for Experimental Short Films and Videos Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:47:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--286010987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris, 1. I have some fine art computer video projects I was working on some =20= time ago but abandoned. It's possible I could revisit them and finish somethin in time. 2. I am also an exhibiting visual artist and hava a digitial and/or =20 digitized portfolio of JPEGs that could be a digital "slide show" of some sort. 3. I don't know if the usual FBI rules and disclaimers would apply, but =20= I have a VHS collection of some old short Man Ray "art films" that I could volunteer. Would this be of any help? tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-3--286010987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kris, 1. I have some fine art computer video projects I was working on some time ago but abandoned. It's possible I could revisit them and finish somethin in time. 2. I am also an exhibiting visual artist and hava a digitial and/or digitized portfolio of JPEGs that could be a digital "slide show" of some sort. 3. I don't know if the usual FBI rules and disclaimers would apply, but I have a VHS collection of some old short Man Ray "art films" that I could volunteer. Would this be of any help? tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-3--286010987-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 20:37:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9824A3BF28; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FALyZ5EOHUSw Message-ID: <001001c629ca$c92007d0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Repeater O.S. 2 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:37:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-5, 03/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:37:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm surprised that they are giving it another go. After the way that they ditched the original Repeater without any support, who's going to trust them with splashing out for the V2 unit? - especially when there is so much more competition in the marketplace these days... -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" >I just heard that Electrix Pro want to only release > the new R´pter O.S. with the new unit i am pissed! > should we all repeater owners go and protest on the streets? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCDAA3BF3D; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204124659.01c3d798@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:02:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Hiphop Was: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... In-Reply-To: References: <00b001c6285b$f5ec5900$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:02:23 +0000 (UTC) At 11:14 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >(One note before we get started however: I just want to bring it >back that because I don't find the current state of American beat >music very inspired, I don't necessarily agree with the article that >started all this. Just because I think there's not a lot of >interesting Hip Hop being produced here, that doesn't mean I agree >those artists here are inherently incapable of producing interesting >Hip Hop. That's due to a choice, not a lack of ability, IMNSHO.) There are a couple of things you can thank American hiphop DJs for, namely the introduction to American mass culture of: 1. Other rhythmic traditions such as Indian and Middle Eastern. 2. Polytonality. Hiphop DJs don't often pitch-shift their samples so a couple of keys can be played at once. This is such a strong development that polytonality with the vocalist singing in a different key from the backing tracks is now very common on slow jams. 3. Hiphop dancing. I find some of the dance style to be interesting because some of the moves are long lines over complex or fast beats. Best analogy I can think of is Miles Davis soloing over Tony Williams's beats. I think that this might be coming from jazz via dance music. This is introducing long lines to mass culture. 4. Hiphop has added to the working vocabulary of performing musicians. Most people only want to hear what they've heard before, only different. Since hiphop has introduced new rhythms, harmonies, sampling and long lines to a mass audience, performing musicians can now refer to these elements without fear of losing their audience. (I started hearing hiphop country a couple of years ago on the radio. I found it hilarious but _someone_ must like it.) I realize the European folks may be yawning at this point, but dance music never really caught on in the US like hiphop did. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E4B3BF42; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:20:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Eddie Mini Van Halen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:19:53 +0000 (UTC) While looking up Fripp's "Solar Voyager" rig at: http://loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=Eddie+Mini+Van+Halen&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case I saw a reference to a piece of gear called "Eddie Mini Van Halen". What is it? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:29:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895FB3BF4C; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c629d2$0c95c250$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYpnzTbpPu/y4NaRrO4bbIC0sdd5AAMip9A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <4wo-uD.A.MQD.pyR5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC) I owned a PSA-1 and a GP-100 (now use a GT-Pro)...I liked the GP-100 better. Not only did it do crazy effects (backward pitch-shifted loops) but the preamp sounded better. The PSA sounded boxy, and every setting was just a slitly EQ'd version of the last one. It would be great if you liked the original boxy tone, but I didn't.. Maybe the new one is different. Maybe with soumething like a Boss VF-1 for effects, it would be ok, but I just didn't like the tone at all. The GP-100 did clean and high gain very well. In between tones, not so much, but it was made in 95, which was the birth of amp modeling. The GT-Pro, though, is an incredible box. I wish it were 1 space instead of 2. Most of the inside is empty. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I had mine for 10 yrs & I know they have revamped the unit as > well. I see them used for around 350 these days. As far as > the Jazz tones go, some of the fender presets work well & the > one clean marshall sounds good too. > > Cheers > Lou > >How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it > has Fender and > >Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, PSA > >Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, why not PSA Jazz? > >Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used to be $700 about 5 > >years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? > > > >Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:33:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F2E3BF4E; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04ba01c629d2$850d9a50$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007501c629d2$0c95c250$6500a8c0@presto> Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:32:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 461, in=211405, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Thanks all for the comments on these. You know, I have the VF-1, and the Roland Jazz Chorus and Fender Twin patches on that unit aren't half bad! I used the Roland patch at my last gig. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > I owned a PSA-1 and a GP-100 (now use a GT-Pro)...I liked the GP-100 > better. Not only did it do crazy effects (backward pitch-shifted loops) > but > the preamp sounded better. The PSA sounded boxy, and every setting was > just > a slitly EQ'd version of the last one. It would be great if you liked the > original boxy tone, but I didn't.. Maybe the new one is different. Maybe > with soumething like a Boss VF-1 for effects, it would be ok, but I just > didn't like the tone at all. > > The GP-100 did clean and high gain very well. In between tones, not so > much, > but it was made in 95, which was the birth of amp modeling. The GT-Pro, > though, is an incredible box. I wish it were 1 space instead of 2. Most of > the inside is empty. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >> I had mine for 10 yrs & I know they have revamped the unit as >> well. I see them used for around 350 these days. As far as >> the Jazz tones go, some of the fender presets work well & the >> one clean marshall sounds good too. >> >> Cheers >> Lou > >> >How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it >> has Fender and >> >Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, PSA >> >Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, why not PSA Jazz? >> >Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used to be $700 about 5 >> >years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? >> > >> >Kris >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65AEF3BF55; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.161.166.187] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <04ba01c629d2$850d9a50$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VF-1 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:38:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 21:38:25.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[53FE97B0:01C629D3] Resent-Message-ID: <-trVVD.A.ViD.I8R5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:39:21 +0000 (UTC) I thought the VF-1 production stopped but it is this listed on the Boss site? Thanks Lou >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:32:36 -0700 > >Cool. Thanks all for the comments on these. You know, I have the VF-1, and >the Roland Jazz Chorus and Fender Twin patches on that unit aren't half >bad! I used the Roland patch at my last gig. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" > >To: >Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:29 PM >Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > >>I owned a PSA-1 and a GP-100 (now use a GT-Pro)...I liked the GP-100 >>better. Not only did it do crazy effects (backward pitch-shifted loops) >>but >>the preamp sounded better. The PSA sounded boxy, and every setting was >>just >>a slitly EQ'd version of the last one. It would be great if you liked the >>original boxy tone, but I didn't.. Maybe the new one is different. Maybe >>with soumething like a Boss VF-1 for effects, it would be ok, but I just >>didn't like the tone at all. >> >>The GP-100 did clean and high gain very well. In between tones, not so >>much, >>but it was made in 95, which was the birth of amp modeling. The GT-Pro, >>though, is an incredible box. I wish it were 1 space instead of 2. Most of >>the inside is empty. >> >>Dave Eichenberger >>http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> >>>I had mine for 10 yrs & I know they have revamped the unit as >>>well. I see them used for around 350 these days. As far as >>>the Jazz tones go, some of the fender presets work well & the >>>one clean marshall sounds good too. >>> >>>Cheers >>>Lou >> >>> >How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it >>>has Fender and >>> >Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, PSA >>> >Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, why not PSA Jazz? >>> >Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used to be $700 about 5 >>> >years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? >>> > >>> >Kris >>> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FA153BF4F; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sqcSc9AL5yldfp4zR3RQsA4nQbVY05awuen2ZfvdWs4alepl8a0vPFHohZwtn/MKqCMHjgBIvLyK3QOZ80lqU1HnQv+Oh/gObf4mpsdfYeHFmO+2bro2j20e2w84hVtjE1wrBH9H4bcrtAd4bpbK9ybKBOO8NxftLx7ROrxouSg= ; Message-ID: <20060204213957.12417.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c629ca$c92007d0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:39:59 +0000 (UTC) This post is meaningless as there hasn't been an offical post from anyone at Electrix for nearly a year. As I said to my friend Rambo, "It's over Jonny." Get yourself an EDP or a Looperlative. Mark --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I'm surprised that they are giving it another go. > After the way that they > ditched the original Repeater without any support, > who's going to trust them > with splashing out for the V2 unit? - especially > when there is so much more > competition in the marketplace these days... > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > > >I just heard that Electrix Pro want to only release > > the new R´pter O.S. with the new unit i am pissed! > > should we all repeater owners go and protest on > the streets? > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:50:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1258D3BF5A; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c629d5$16197da0$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYp0rtdh25UogWbTaOhCkwLii0vVAAAcQUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Yes, you can, but via midi, or a unlatched control pedal plugged in the back (it will also sync delay to midi). There isn't a button on the front panel, though, which would've been nice. Unless one of the buttons can be reassigned. But I cringe when I open a Roland manual. Get the guy who writes Line6 or Mackie manuals. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ll rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > Hey Dave, > Can you Tap-tempo the delays on the GP-Pro? I did not see a > 'tap' button on the front unless I missed it?? > > Thanks > Lou > > > >From: "hazard factor" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:29:14 -0500 > > > > I owned a PSA-1 and a GP-100 (now use a GT-Pro)...I liked > the GP-100 > >better. Not only did it do crazy effects (backward > pitch-shifted loops) > >but the preamp sounded better. The PSA sounded boxy, and > every setting > >was just a slitly EQ'd version of the last one. It would be great if > >you liked the original boxy tone, but I didn't.. Maybe the > new one is > >different. Maybe with soumething like a Boss VF-1 for > effects, it would > >be ok, but I just didn't like the tone at all. > > > >The GP-100 did clean and high gain very well. In between > tones, not so > >much, but it was made in 95, which was the birth of amp > modeling. The > >GT-Pro, though, is an incredible box. I wish it were 1 space > instead of > >2. Most of the inside is empty. > > > >Dave Eichenberger > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > I had mine for 10 yrs & I know they have revamped the > unit as well. > > > I see them used for around 350 these days. As far as the > Jazz tones > > > go, some of the fender presets work well & the one clean marshall > > > sounds good too. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Lou > > > > > >How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it > > > has Fender and > > > >Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, > > > >PSA Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, > why not PSA Jazz? > > > >Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used to be > $700 about 5 > > > >years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? > > > > > > > >Kris > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:52:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7C73BF5C; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: VF-1 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:52:44 -0500 Message-ID: <007701c629d5$55399dd0$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYp03cfFMdmKiNMTLSNItT/rLTmvAAAaB4A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:52:43 +0000 (UTC) I don't think they have made it for years. The VF-1 came out after the GP-100, but I had never gotten a usable preamp sound out of mine, except for acoustic guitar patches. It has great sound-mangling possibilites, and it is a short time simple looper as well. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I thought the VF-1 production stopped but it is this listed > on the Boss site? > Thanks > Lou > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:53:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398553BF41; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CyOUYa4lwX3efbWwxi3IMSY8RLauitDsjUw0uIifUkBN+RkuTrgdl2fTHVhreaZlLilAF4EJecDwFx1kQm7z9oMZvLmRWp0aCnyToLNtZt9exZhYYNLJl6ugLhi1ICISz8CQMFLsOEZxcupUZk2K6wRHVOFgv+3tsLQ8KOUq39E= ; Message-ID: <20060204215345.74236.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:53:45 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <61A7508C-95A6-11DA-9405-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-943677014-1139090025=:74199" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <41QAoC.A.n3D.rJS5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:53:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-943677014-1139090025=:74199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit frozen dinners/crack cocaine/mobile homes/prostitution/fubu/bling bling/slang/drunkin fights/one car accidents/chittlins n hot sauce/pimps/weed shortages/drive by's/barnyard beastiality/bourbon/jail tattoo's/expanding ghetto's/monster trucks/pistol's/drug slavery/prison's/warm beer/dog fart's/grafiti/devolution of education/over population/thugg's/tax hikes/ect...ect...ect... reasons i hate hip hop & country music! scary visionary. David Trenkel wrote: On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 09:17 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> The worst is that I often find material that I think is >> hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm >> informed, "that's not hip-hop".... > > Well, on the other hand, after I told a fellow musician that I liked > Boards > of Canada and he replied "so you do like hip hop" and I couldn't > believe > that they are hip hop, he told me "to some people, what we just played > is > hip hop"... I learned years ago never to dismiss entire genres of music. It's too easy to say, "I hate Country", for example, and then hear an Hank Williams tune that just tears your apart. Even easy listening had its geniuses, Matin Denny, Esquivel, Les Baxter, etc. Hip Hop is the same, there's the commercial stuff that sucks, but there are people working in the margins doing fascinating and innovative stuff. Always look to the margins... > >> Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open >> to hearing it. > > Steve Coleman & Metrics > > Great, great record. That record literally determined the direction my music has been heading for the last few years. Other Hip Hop to check out: Mike Ladd: Anything he's involved with is at least interesting, and often brilliant. "Welcome to the Afterfuture" from 1999 is up there with "Fear of a Black Planet" as one of the all-time best hip hop albums. He's collaborated with a number of jazz musicians, his record with Vijay Iyer's band, "In What Language," is just terrific, a theater piece about travelling while non-white in the post 9-11 world, it also has some astounding playing. His latest, "Presents Father Devine" is perhaps his most straight-ahead rap album, but it's very cool. Subtle: Rick W. mentioned the Bay-Area based Anticon collective, Subtle is sort of a supergroup of Anticon members. Subtle is an amazing live band, with a drummer who doubles guitar, an electric cellist, a keyboardist who doubles woodwinds, a guy who is a virtuoso at tapping out live beats on an MPC, and Dose One, one of the most innovative rappers I've heard, he's faster (and whiter-sounding) than Eminem, with a serious taste for the surreal. He's also a great frontman, he'd be a terrific stand-up comedian. I saw them on one of their last shows with Dax Pierson, who was unfortunately paralyzed in a tragic tour van accident last year. Subtle is still going, though, and very much worth seeing. Blackalicious: Their "Blazing Arrow" disc from a few years ago is what commercial hip hop should be, catchy as hell, great grooves, lots of soul, and smart content. Their new disc "The Craft" is more socially conscious, and gets more funky. It reminds me of Curtis Mayfield's great stuff from the '70's. 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reasons i hate hip hop & country music!
                                                          scary visionary.

David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> wrote:
On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 09:17 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar
Straschill wrote:

>> The worst is that I often find material that I think is
>> hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm
>> informed, "that's not hip-hop"....
>
> Well, on the other hand, after I told a fellow musician that I liked
> Boards
> of Canada and he replied "so you do like hip hop" and I couldn't
> believe
> that they are hip hop, he told me "to some people, what we just played
> is
> hip hop"...

I learned years ago never to dismiss entire genres of music. It's too
easy to say, "I hate Country", for example, and then hear an Hank
Williams tune that just tears your apart. Even easy listening had its
geniuses, Matin Denny, Esquivel, Les Baxter, etc. Hip Hop is the same,
there's the commercial stuff that sucks, but there are people working
in the margins doing fascinating and innovative stuff. Always look to
the margins...

>
>> Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open
>> to hearing it.
>
> Steve Coleman & Metrics
>
>
Great, great record. That record literally determined the direction my
music has been heading for the last few years.

Other Hip Hop to check out:
Mike Ladd: Anything he's involved with is at least interesting, and
often brilliant. "Welcome to the Afterfuture" from 1999 is up there
with "Fear of a Black Planet" as one of the all-time best hip hop
albums. He's collaborated with a number of jazz musicians, his record
with Vijay Iyer's band, "In What Language," is just terrific, a theater
piece about travelling while non-white in the post 9-11 world, it also
has some astounding playing. His latest, "Presents Father Devine" is
perhaps his most straight-ahead rap album, but it's very cool.

Subtle: Rick W. mentioned the Bay-Area based Anticon collective, Subtle
is sort of a supergroup of Anticon members. Subtle is an amazing live
band, with a drummer who doubles guitar, an electric cellist, a
keyboardist who doubles woodwinds, a guy who is a virtuoso at tapping
out live beats on an MPC, and Dose One, one of the most innovative
rappers I've heard, he's faster (and whiter-sounding) than Eminem, with
a serious taste for the surreal. He's also a great frontman, he'd be a
terrific stand-up comedian. I saw them on one of their last shows with
Dax Pierson, who was unfortunately paralyzed in a tragic tour van
accident last year. Subtle is still going, though, and very much worth
seeing.

Blackalicious: Their "Blazing Arrow" disc from a few years ago is what
commercial hip hop should be, catchy as hell, great grooves, lots of
soul, and smart content. Their new disc "The Craft" is more socially
conscious, and gets more funky. It reminds me of Curtis Mayfield's
great stuff from the '70's.

There's many more, but I got no more time to write...


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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-943677014-1139090025=:74199-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 21:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27DDB3BF63; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.161.166.187] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007601c629d5$16197da0$6500a8c0@presto> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:53:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 21:53:52.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D05C1E0:01C629D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. Lou >From: "hazard factor" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:50:58 -0500 > >Yes, you can, but via midi, or a unlatched control pedal plugged in the >back >(it will also sync delay to midi). There isn't a button on the front panel, >though, which would've been nice. Unless one of the buttons can be >reassigned. But I cringe when I open a Roland manual. Get the guy who >writes >Line6 or Mackie manuals. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > ll rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > > > Hey Dave, > > Can you Tap-tempo the delays on the GP-Pro? I did not see a > > 'tap' button on the front unless I missed it?? > > > > Thanks > > Lou > > > > > > >From: "hazard factor" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: Looking for a small rack preamp (Roland Gp100?) > > >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:29:14 -0500 > > > > > > I owned a PSA-1 and a GP-100 (now use a GT-Pro)...I liked > > the GP-100 > > >better. Not only did it do crazy effects (backward > > pitch-shifted loops) > > >but the preamp sounded better. The PSA sounded boxy, and > > every setting > > >was just a slitly EQ'd version of the last one. It would be great if > > >you liked the original boxy tone, but I didn't.. Maybe the > > new one is > > >different. Maybe with soumething like a Boss VF-1 for > > effects, it would > > >be ok, but I just didn't like the tone at all. > > > > > >The GP-100 did clean and high gain very well. In between > > tones, not so > > >much, but it was made in 95, which was the birth of amp > > modeling. The > > >GT-Pro, though, is an incredible box. I wish it were 1 space > > instead of > > >2. Most of the inside is empty. > > > > > >Dave Eichenberger > > >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > I had mine for 10 yrs & I know they have revamped the > > unit as well. > > > > I see them used for around 350 these days. As far as the > > Jazz tones > > > > go, some of the fender presets work well & the one clean marshall > > > > sounds good too. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Lou > > > > > > > >How are the jazz amp tones of this beast? I see that it > > > > has Fender and > > > > >Boogie tones, like the Tri-Axis, Twin, etc. They have PSA Blues, > > > > >PSA Rock, PSA Misc., and PSA Heavy categories....man, > > why not PSA Jazz? > > > > >Damn. I see they are down to $580 or so...used to be > > $700 about 5 > > > > >years ago...they didn't go down much, did they? > > > > > > > > > >Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 22:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E883BF3C; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E1545BB-A0D9-4675-8B17-FDE57B8E064C@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Eddie Mini Van Halen Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:34:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:34:16 +0000 (UTC) its the mini-van that belongs to Bif, who is roberts us tech. On Feb 4, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Kevin wrote: > While looking up Fripp's "Solar Voyager" rig at: > http://loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive? > query=Eddie+Mini+Van > +Halen&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineo > nly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial& > .cgifields=case > > I saw a reference to a piece of gear called "Eddie Mini Van > Halen". What is it? > > Thanks, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 22:42:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01E1C3BF2F; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:41:58 -0500 Subject: Gig spam :: todd reynolds looping in Brooklyn, NY From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Gig spam :: todd reynolds looping in Brooklyn, NY Thread-Index: AcYp3DStc1KRYpXPEdqOtAAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3221919720_2117832" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:42:04 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3221919720_2117832 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, =20 It=B9s not ALL looping, but all looping generated. Fear not, there will be a bunch of live looping, with =8Clive=B9 and =8Cloops=B9 driving the video. Of course, you=B9d have to attend the R & R session as well. (Ritchford & Rossi) Would love to share it with you. Description below. All the best, Todd http://toddreynolds.com TODD REYNOLDS :: LUKE DUBOIS :: SPECIAL GUESTS:: THE CHAPEL AT GREEN-WOOD CEMETERY IN BROOKLYN SATURDAY FEBRUARY 11TH, 2006, 8 PM =20 The Green-Wood Historic Fund proudly presents Violinist, Genre-bending Composer and Sonic Interventionist TODD REYNOLDS=B9 Still Life With Microphone: Version X, An Intimate Concert Theater - Work In Progress Featuring digitized and looped violin and compositions for ifiddle by Todd Reynolds, live video art and design by Luke DuBois, film by Bill Morrison, and music from the Nuove Uova Songbook, including Michael Gordon, Phil Kline, Neil Rolnick and Randall Woolf. The Historic Chapel at Green-Wood Cemetery, Brooklyn, NY, one block from th= e R train. Complete directions by car and by mass transit are found here :: http://www.green-wood.com/directions.asp Reserved tickets are $15 ($10 for Historic Fund members), available by credit card purchase in advance at 718 788-7850. Seating is limited - only 100 tickets will be sold. Order now! link: http://www.green-wood.com --B_3221919720_2117832 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Gig spam ::  todd reynolds looping in Brooklyn, NY Hey all,  

It’s not ALL looping, but all looping generated.  Fear not, ther= e will be a bunch of live looping, with ‘live’ and ‘loops&= #8217; driving the video.  

Of course, you’d have to attend the R & R session as well.  = (Ritchford & Rossi)  Would love to share it with you.  Descrip= tion below.

All the best,

Todd
http://toddreynolds.com

T= ODD REYNOLDS :: LUKE DUBOIS :: SPECIAL GUESTS::
THE CHAPEL AT GREEN-WOOD CEMETERY IN BROOKLYN
SATURDAY    FEBRUARY 11TH, 2006,     8 P= M
    
The Green-Wood Historic Fund proudly presents Violini= st, Genre-bending Composer and Sonic Interventionist   TODD REYNOL= DS’   Still Life With Microphone: Version X,  An= Intimate Concert Theater - Work In Progress   
Featuring digitized and looped violin and compositions for ifiddle by Todd = Reynolds, live video art and design by Luke DuBois, film by Bill M= orrison, and music from the Nuove Uova Songbook, including Mic= hael Gordon, Phil Kline, Neil Rolnick and Randall Woolf.

The Historic Chapel at Green-Wood Cemetery, Brooklyn, NY, one block from th= e R train.
Complete directions by car and by mass transit are found here :: = http://www.green-wood.com/directions.asp

Reserved tickets are $15 ($10 for Historic Fund members), available by cred= it card purchase in advance at 718 788-7850. Seating is limited - only 100 t= ickets will be sold. Order now!

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MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:29:54 +0000 (UTC) > I saw a reference to a piece of gear called "Eddie Mini Van > Halen". What is it? It's the mini-van Robert and Co. travel in. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 4 23:33:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99A73BF3C; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43E53ADD.8010006@Hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:38:05 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping on npr References: <1f7.1b23b60f.311639a1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1f7.1b23b60f.311639a1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0xbkEB.A.JBC.LnT5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Effective/creative voice/beat/guitar loopage...what looping tools do you think she's using? They mention foot switches... Aptrev@aol.com wrote: >A segment on artist KT Tunstall and her looping, today on >Weekend Edition - Saturday Feb.4 : > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5187870 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 00:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24AB13BF3D; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.027657 secs Process 26688) Message-ID: <3656.88.111.67.237.1139098656.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20060204213957.12417.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001001c629ca$c92007d0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <20060204213957.12417.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:17:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Repeater O.S. 2 From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:17:38 +0000 (UTC) > This post is meaningless as there hasn't been an > offical post from anyone at Electrix for nearly a > year. You should maybe check out the electrix site, and the posts they are making on their own forums. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 00:53:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F14133BF48; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bill Walker looping on Video... Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:53:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41DE73BD-83C2-45B1-9268-BBDB5A2CCDE4@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Subtle Loopage, now there is a band name! Thanks Steve Bill -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:47 AM To: Loop List Subject: Bill Walker looping on Video... Just got sent this link by Rick Turner - http://www.gourmet-guitars.com/video.asp?mofile=turner_vol_2_teaser.mov it's a trailer for a DVD in a series called Gourmet Guitars, and luthiery, and of loop-interest is that it features own own lovely Bill Walker playing his Renaissance guitar through a D-Tar Mama Bear and doing some lovely subtle loopage. More proof why Bill is one of my favourite guitar players, cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 01:06:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270AC3BF44; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0YlUqIT/fj3YOCV5itVOOCE7NwCaKL7diRIFSpqVtX1gTx4Pv2YKGLT5vtm+55pqahc43JQOQHAp6grzpqvdO3RX6lt/hq7LU3aJ7nQktmiIiClJDcMIW9BryA46q2SES+yOcGni+q7eyu5Zy9f5qnWv5XN2OSQz6XrPtC1LUoE= ; Message-ID: <20060205010609.34188.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3656.88.111.67.237.1139098656.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Sorry Stuart, I ddn't mean your post was meaningless, I meant the original post was. I did go to their site and there hasn't been a damn post from an employee of Electrix since March 2005. --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > This post is meaningless as there hasn't been an > > offical post from anyone at Electrix for nearly a > > year. > > You should maybe check out the electrix site, and > the posts they are > making on their own forums. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 01:56:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 870AF3BF4C; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QEXEr2wCc5n76xkKoemROEbAfbGYtnFzq9frw/FHNbUdZArPK1cSoJkf+9t0w8sD; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220062052419300@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: VF-1 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94070e8abe983a21d516c03729ea8ce1bc0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:56:48 +0000 (UTC) The sound-mangling capability is indeed huge, but the Fender 4x12 patch ("Blues") is a great joy, too...I have made it my default clean sound. Sounds great either through a headphone amp, my borrowed Roland JC-60, or my Silvertone rig. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: hazard factor > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 4:52:43 PM > Subject: RE: VF-1 > > I don't think they have made it for years. The VF-1 came out after the > GP-100, but I had never gotten a usable preamp sound out of mine, except for > acoustic guitar patches. It has great sound-mangling possibilites, and it is > a short time simple looper as well. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > I thought the VF-1 production stopped but it is this listed > > on the Boss site? > > Thanks > > Lou > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 02:25:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05253BF52; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c629fb$57413860$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060204215345.74236.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:24:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <6S-t-.A.4_F.9HW5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:25:01 +0000 (UTC) ..."dog farts"? A little rice in his diet will help that. ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, 04 February, 2006 21:53 PM Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... frozen dinners/crack cocaine/mobile homes/prostitution/fubu/bling bling/slang/drunkin fights/one car accidents/chittlins n hot sauce/pimps/weed shortages/drive by's/barnyard beastiality/bourbon/jail tattoo's/expanding ghetto's/monster trucks/pistol's/drug slavery/prison's/warm beer/dog fart's/grafiti/devolution of education/over population/thugg's/tax hikes/ect...ect...ect... reasons i hate hip hop & country music! scary visionary. David Trenkel wrote: On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 09:17 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> The worst is that I often find material that I think is >> hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm >> informed, "that's not hip-hop".... > > Well, on the other hand, after I told a fellow musician that I liked > Boards > of Canada and he replied "so you do like hip hop" and I couldn't > believe > that they are hip hop, he told me "to some people, what we just played > is > hip hop"... I learned years ago never to dismiss entire genres of music. It's too easy to say, "I hate Country", for example, and then hear an Hank Williams tune that just tears your apart. Even easy listening had its geniuses, Matin Denny, Esquivel, Les Baxter, etc. Hip Hop is the same, there's the commercial stuff that sucks, but there are people working in the margins doing fascinating and innovative stuff. Always look to the margins... > >> Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open >> to hearing it. > > Steve Coleman & Metrics > > Great, great record. That record literally determined the direction my music has been heading for the last few years. Other Hip Hop to check out: Mike Ladd: Anything he's involved with is at least interesting, and often brilliant. "Welcome to the Afterfuture" from 1999 is up there with "Fear of a Black Planet" as one of the all-time best hip hop albums. He's collaborated with a number of jazz musicians, his record with Vijay Iyer's band, "In What Language," is just terrific, a theater piece about travelling while non-white in the post 9-11 world, it also has some astounding playing. His latest, "Presents Father Devine" is perhaps his most straight-ahead rap album, but it's very cool. Subtle: Rick W. mentioned the Bay-Area based Anticon collective, Subtle is sort of a supergroup of Anticon members. Subtle is an amazing live band, with a drummer who doubles guitar, an electric cellist, a keyboardist who doubles woodwinds, a guy who is a virtuoso at tapping out live beats on an MPC, and Dose One, one of the most innovative rappers I've heard, he's faster (and whiter-sounding) than Eminem, with a serious taste for the surreal. He's also a great frontman, he'd be a terrific stand-up comedian. I saw them on one of their last shows with Dax Pierson, who was unfortunately paralyzed in a tragic tour van accident last year. Subtle is still going, though, and very much worth seeing. Blackalicious: Their "Blazing Arrow" disc from a few years ago is what commercial hip hop should be, catchy as hell, great grooves, lots of soul, and smart content. Their new disc "The Craft" is more socially conscious, and gets more funky. It reminds me of Curtis Mayfield's great stuff from the '70's. There's many more, but I got no more time to write... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 03:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08463BF51; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:10:51 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping on npr MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.76.70.110 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, It's an Akai Headrush, affectionately known as "The Wee Bastard". A diagram of the setup KT uses is at http://www.kttunstall.com/weebastard.html. Not sure why it got that nickname though. The recording of "Black Horse & The Cherry Tree" at the end of her album is a live looping recording, with KT and guitar & tambourine, on Jools Holland's BBC TV show. A fun watch it was too. - Tony ".David.Auker." wrote: >Effective/creative voice/beat/guitar loopage...what looping tools do you >think she's using? They mention foot switches... > >Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > >>A segment on artist KT Tunstall and her looping, today on >>Weekend Edition - Saturday Feb.4 : >> >>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5187870 >> >> >> >> > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 03:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DEB73BF50; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060204194858.04097bf0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:51:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Digitech JamMan review needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers- I know some of you are using the Digitech JamMan looper that came out a few months ago. I recently added a section to the Looper's Delight web site for this looper: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/digitech_jamman/digitech_jamman.html I need some good reviews of this pedal to add to the site. Is anybody interested in doing one? Let me know! thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 04:15:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9F63BF53; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech JamMan review needed In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060204194858.04097bf0@annihilist.com> Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060204194858.04097bf0@annihilist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 04:15:21 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Loopers- > > I know some of you are using the Digitech JamMan looper that came out a few > months ago. I recently added a section to the Looper's Delight web site for > this looper: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/digitech_jamman/digitech_jamman.html > > I need some good reviews of this pedal to add to the site. Is anybody > interested in doing one? Let me know! Feel free to use my comparison of the Digitech Jamman and the Boss RC-20 I wrote in August: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200509/msg00412.html I reread my comments in that post, and I have no changes to make to the above after continuing to use it. Hope it helps. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 10:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5383D3BF5A; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XTCByWJQDtU7pZ496MmFdqmaWqkfVRImTnoLVQcVYaJQIeROmpOpCD7ndM1FhXlhX+rX+JvbcLFRdBucjBw5ZzC2a0FPLVXSb/XbT2wP4s4JghauOfAmgek58GjTdI7MkrdBYJ3g6azRLBBqvUb58c1NIVLOYAnta1jirI2xpuc= ; Message-ID: <20060205100503.22129.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:messge form peter- Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060204183446.45774.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:05:12 +0000 (UTC) no, i aint got the time to be spreding out rumors man here is the recent post once again from Pete at condor electronics: > The OS2 for Repeater is alive and well - I can't say much, but we're > trying to find out if they will release it. I've talked to > engineering and the OS is complete, but that Electrix wants to > release it only with new product. I'm working on this, we'll see what > happens... > > Peter --- S V G wrote: > > Are you just spreading rumours or do you have > definate facts to back you up? Hearsay doesn't > count for much these days on the Internet... > > Stephen > > > < release > the new R´pter O.S. with the new unit i am pissed! > should we all repeater owners go and protest on the > streets?>> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 10:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DCF53BF47; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1335.70.112.20.111.1139134260.squirrel@70.112.20.111> In-Reply-To: <43E48C86.2030703@post.cybercity.dk> References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43E48C86.2030703@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:11:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: khartung@cableone.net, awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8zH9U.A.5bG.s8c5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:10:53 +0000 (UTC) I normally use Plogue Bidule when using a foot controller... I noticed you have to jump through some hoops with Ableton since it doesn't allow a plugin to directly receive MIDI....you have to route from a MIDI track to the plugin. To get it working: +Add Loopy Llama to an audio track +Set the MIDI channel setting to 1 on the Loopy Llama +Add a MIDI track to Ableton +Set "Monitor" to "In" on the MIDI track and make sure it is showing your MIDI notes (or CCs) with its VU +Set the output of the MIDI track to be the audio track and the loopy llama Ableton apparently mangles MIDI data in 2 ways: 1. no matter what channel you sent the data on, the plugin receives it on channel 1. I should make Loopy Llama default to channel 1 from now on. 2. If you send the same controller value twice it ignores you! I don't think a behringer FCB1010 is capable of sending a CC on and off value in one press and release (it will toggle between 2 values with 2 button presses so you could set them to be 127 and 126). Or you could just use notes which do send an off value with every release of the button. Still, I think that's bad form on Ableton's part to ignore MIDI data deemed as redundant. Let me know if that gets it working for you! Chris http://chriskline.com > Hi, I just tried mapping it within Ableton Live - I could see Live > receiving the message and attempt to reset, but the plugin itself did > not respond. Clicking the clear button worked though. > Andreas > > Kris Hartung wrote: >> I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note >> send to the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it >> is just my system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to >> Mobius and triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it >> wouldn't work with Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM >> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >> >> >>> I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded >>> LoopyLlama last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty >>> program for a basic looper. I was able to get it going with my >>> Behringer in no time, using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be >>> cool to use both it and Mobius in some clever fashion. :) >>> >>> I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan >>> users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know >>> much about the JamMan. >>> >>> I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered >>> reverse, no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the >>> free, un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map >>> my Behringer to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record >>> works fine, but no dice on Clear. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kline" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM >>> Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >>> >>> >>>> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release >>>> here, >>>> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >>>> allows >>>> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening >>>> to the >>>> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop >>>> length will >>>> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >>>> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you >>>> wanted an >>>> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >>>> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >>>> >>>> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other >>>> features, but >>>> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows >>>> compatible. >>>> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >>>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >>>> >>>> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) >>>> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> http://rekliner.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> . >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 10:37:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 194FB3BF5E; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5o/2tUdzTBuj+jIMYDQYOIKNNXY7vGjZq7EB25J70l8VDlgKzNnjmBpb7U6PM+8mNvyNkg9pPcAOG+nDqFr7bq9vhK4EUV208jXstbqphMOaH3QpQZ8kQ83OzSVn28YRj7MakvHSG8RmhapP7EYj7KapGoa2L3KTN7WeZrmOCcc= ; Message-ID: <20060205103724.61993.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 02:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: ODD TIME RHYTHM GAMES was Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b901c629b0$0a843fe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:37:26 +0000 (UTC) wonderful lesson ma an thank you!!!! Luis > > "Rick, i was asked one time to explain the rumba > clave > in 6/8.............how would you explain it with > syllables?" > > > > I love this one because it is a great example of > "playing odds in the evens" > > You can think of the 6/8 Rumba Clave as a > combination of the phrases 5 > + 7 > > (Taki)(Takita)(Taki)(Taki)(Takita) > 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > > This rhythm, it is interesting to know, is almost > non existent in West > Africa > whereas the 6/8 Son Clave is found almost > everywhere. > > You can think of 6/8 Son Clave as 7 + 5 > > (Taki)(Taki)(Takita)(Taki)(Takita) > 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 3 > > > PLAYING ODDS in the EVENS > > Here's a great game, by the way. > > If the 12 notes of 6/8 can be played as 7 + 5 > > then two bars can be thought of as 7 + 5 + 7 + 5 > > Rearrange those phrases and you get 7 + 7 + 5 + 5 > > By doing this you have now played a phrase of 14 > and a phrase of 10 > > The first phrase of 14 then crossed the bar line. > > In 4/4 with 16th notes you can play 9 + 7 + 9 + 7 > = 9 + 9 + 7 + 7 or > two exact bars of 4/4 > > Try this concept as a soloing idea over a typical > funk groove and tell your > band mates to hold onto their hats > (and the groove). > > It sounds like you have gone to Mars in your solo > and yet you land right > back on good 'ol ONE when you finish the phrase. > > In 6/8 I love to play this game by rearranging these > simple addition phrases > > 12 = 3 + 9 > = 5 + 7 > > So , in two bars you can get a beautiful cascading > phrase that diminishes > 9 + 7 + 5 + 3 > > Try this now in 4/4 (using 16ths again) > > 16 = 13 + 3 > = 11 + 5 > = 9 + 7 > > So, in three bars you can play 13 + 11 + 9 + 7 + 5 > + 3 This diminishes > nicely (and is easy for an audience to hear though > difficult to hold the groove underneath > it...................lol, but it's > good for your rhythm section to learn how to play > it) > > ************************ > > This brings me to a concept that I have come up with > myself about using Odd > Time combinations. > > It's what I call the concept of the BROKEN PULSE. > > added to the last > pulse> > > > > > > > If I play a rhythm of 6 notes I can get 3 EVEN > PULSES Ta ki Ta ki Ta > ki > > > Sing: 1 * 2 * 3 * > > > > > > > > > If I play a rhythm of 8 notes I get 4 EVEN PULSES > Ta ki Ta ki > Ta ki Ta ki > > > Sing: 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * > > > > > > > > If I play a rhythm of 7 notes I get what I call 3 > BROKEN PULSES Ta ki > Ta ki Ta ki ta > > > Sing: 1 * 2 * 3 * * > > where the last pulse has one more note in it causing > a 'skipping' feeling. > > > A really fast way of practising combinations of ODD > time signature phrases > is to memorize all the pulses of the common ODD time > signatures. > > 3 = 1 Broken Pulse = 1 * * > 5 = 2 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2* * > 7 = 3 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2 * 3 * * > 9 = 4 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * * > 11 = 5 Broken Pulses = 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 * * > and so on........ > > A way to practise these phrases is by singing, (with > 9 as an example) 1 * > 2 * 3 * 4 d d (one two three four dih dih) > > > > > > > > > > TakiTakiTakiTakita > > If you see what I mean, this is a very fast way of > memorizing odd time > groupings: just add up some numbers that get you > where you want to go > (remember you don't have to start your rhythmic > phrase on the > downbeat..............................start, say on > the downbeat of 2 in a > measure of sixteenths. You are now 12 notes away > from the downbeat of 1. > Time for a 1 * 2 * 3 d d 1 * 2 d d combination. > > This concept was taught to me by the great drummer > Steve Smith to give > credit where credit is due. > Anecdotally, I taught him how to play authentic > traditional Reggae that > same weekend, but I think > I got the much better end of the stick with this > concept..........lol. I > use it constantly in soloing. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 10:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181C43BF5F; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1339.70.112.20.111.1139136012.squirrel@70.112.20.111> In-Reply-To: <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:40:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:40:05 +0000 (UTC) FYI: the version from last week worked differently - it would only respond to maximum values (127 or 7F) from a controller - except the record button (it made sense at the time). The one released yesterday allows any midi value for any button, so it should work for you now. What host were you using? Chris http://chriskline.com > I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note send to > the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it is just my > system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to Mobius and > triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it wouldn't work with > Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM > Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > > >> I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded >> LoopyLlama >> last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty program for a >> basic looper. I was able to get it going with my Behringer in no time, >> using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be cool to use both it and >> Mobius in some clever fashion. :) >> >> I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan >> users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know >> much >> about the JamMan. >> >> I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered >> reverse, >> no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the free, >> un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map my >> Behringer >> to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record works fine, but no >> dice on Clear. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Kline" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM >> Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >> >> >>> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release >>> here, >>> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >>> allows >>> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to >>> the >>> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length >>> will >>> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >>> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted >>> an >>> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >>> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >>> >>> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, >>> but >>> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. >>> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >>> >>> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) >>> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Chris >>> http://rekliner.com >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 10:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119203BF65; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.027549 secs Process 11945) Message-ID: <4188.88.111.67.237.1139137156.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20060205010609.34188.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3656.88.111.67.237.1139098656.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> <20060205010609.34188.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:59:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Repeater O.S. 2 From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Sorry Mark... I was at the Electrix site last month, and read the January posts (regarding the OS) as being Jan'06 posts, not Jan'05.... My god, they really have dissapeared! :) > Sorry Stuart, I ddn't mean your post was meaningless, > I meant the original post was. I did go to their site > and there hasn't been a damn post from an employee of > Electrix since March 2005. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 15:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10F913BF5E; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058601c62a65$c931deb0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1339.70.112.20.111.1139136012.squirrel@70.112.20.111> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:06:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 462, in=211584, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:06:51 +0000 (UTC) I am using EnergyXT. I have Plogue and Chainer too, but I like EnergyXT better. I'll re-download the VST and try again. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kline" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:40 AM Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > FYI: the version from last week worked differently - it would only respond > to maximum values (127 or 7F) from a controller - except the record button > (it made sense at the time). The one released yesterday allows any midi > value for any button, so it should work for you now. > > What host were you using? > > > Chris > http://chriskline.com > >> I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note send >> to >> the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it is just my >> system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to Mobius and >> triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it wouldn't work with >> Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kris Hartung" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM >> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >> >> >>> I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded >>> LoopyLlama >>> last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty program for a >>> basic looper. I was able to get it going with my Behringer in no time, >>> using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be cool to use both it and >>> Mobius in some clever fashion. :) >>> >>> I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan >>> users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know >>> much >>> about the JamMan. >>> >>> I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered >>> reverse, >>> no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the free, >>> un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map my >>> Behringer >>> to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record works fine, but no >>> dice on Clear. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Kline" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM >>> Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >>> >>> >>>> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release >>>> here, >>>> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >>>> allows >>>> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to >>>> the >>>> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length >>>> will >>>> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >>>> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted >>>> an >>>> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >>>> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >>>> >>>> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, >>>> but >>>> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. >>>> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >>>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >>>> >>>> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) >>>> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> http://rekliner.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 15:13:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 219B43BF6A; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <048b01c629be$d11a61d0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <048b01c629be$d11a61d0$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <960941801c4977d14fa433e6d4bddf6d@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Call for Experimental Short Films and Videos Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:14:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, Great idea! You put so much energy into the cause! I might have some interesting footage to contribute. When's the submission deadline? Cheerio, Nico www.recpro.ch Am 04.02.2006 um 20:11 schrieb Kris Hartung: > Hello all - > > I am putting on a major experimental music festival here in Boise, > Idaho on April 28-29, which will likely have a few hundred people > attending, and is being held at the largest art gallery down town. > Rick Walker, Lumper/Splitter (Joe Rut and Lucio Menegon), and Ted > Killian/Jeff Kaiser are headlining, and I have 8 local > experimental/electronic musicians playing as well....including a > theramin player! It is the "1st Annual Boise Experimental Music > Festival". Next year, I'll start inviting folks from other countries, > like yourself. > > Anyway, in addition to the music, I am featuring experimental or > interesting film. I am showing a slide-show video from Michael Peters, > of his "Stretched Landscapes" and digital art, plus my "Microscopic > Horrors", avant-garde microscopic organism music video. These pieces > must be no more than 12 minutes. If you have something avant-garde, > experimental, or just plain weird, and you would like me to feature > it, let me know. I can download it, or you could send it to me on DVD. > I would give you all due credit. > > This will be a fun event. It mixes music and art, and it is at a > gallery that features avant-garde art. I have 10 intermission slots > of 15 min each, where I'll be featuring film, music videos, > performance art, and a lecture on the history of > experimental/electronic music. Here is the website for the event: > www.boisemusicians.com/experimental > > Cheers, > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 15:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DCF23BF6F; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <059f01c62a67$f0a68200$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1339.70.112.20.111.1139136012.squirrel@70.112.20.111> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:22:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 464, in=216424, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) All the buttons work great now. Thanks. 9.1 did the trick. "Paws"....took me a while to figure out that meant "pause". :) Clever. Question, since the new jamman is out with some new features, will you eventually allow Loopy Llama to mimick that? In particular, the slowing down the loop without effecting pitch would be cool. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kline" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:40 AM Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > FYI: the version from last week worked differently - it would only respond > to maximum values (127 or 7F) from a controller - except the record button > (it made sense at the time). The one released yesterday allows any midi > value for any button, so it should work for you now. > > What host were you using? > > > Chris > http://chriskline.com > >> I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note send >> to >> the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it is just my >> system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to Mobius and >> triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it wouldn't work with >> Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kris Hartung" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM >> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >> >> >>> I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded >>> LoopyLlama >>> last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty program for a >>> basic looper. I was able to get it going with my Behringer in no time, >>> using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be cool to use both it and >>> Mobius in some clever fashion. :) >>> >>> I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan >>> users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know >>> much >>> about the JamMan. >>> >>> I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered >>> reverse, >>> no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the free, >>> un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map my >>> Behringer >>> to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record works fine, but no >>> dice on Clear. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Kline" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM >>> Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >>> >>> >>>> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release >>>> here, >>>> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >>>> allows >>>> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to >>>> the >>>> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length >>>> will >>>> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >>>> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted >>>> an >>>> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >>>> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >>>> >>>> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, >>>> but >>>> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows compatible. >>>> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >>>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >>>> >>>> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not drums) >>>> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> http://rekliner.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 17:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6762B3BF6C; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1556.70.112.20.111.1139160284.squirrel@70.112.20.111> In-Reply-To: <059f01c62a67$f0a68200$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00cf01c62906$faa70430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060204093753.5163.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> <2355.70.112.20.111.1139047411.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <041501c62975$3a16e810$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <041c01c62975$dcf05c10$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1339.70.112.20.111.1139136012.squirrel@70.112.20.111> <059f01c62a67$f0a68200$29b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:24:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3xm3GC.A.F_.bTj5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Glad the new version is working for you, I hope it brings you interesting loops. I studied the old jam-man to make the llama and later the dl-4. Assuming the only new feature on the jam-man is speed control, then yes I will eventually get it added. It's very processor intensive and mathematically complex and I already had to give up on one attempt, but it's in my long term goals. Check http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=21 for a list of features I will add ... and the manual is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=18. Chris http://rekliner.com > All the buttons work great now. Thanks. 9.1 did the trick. "Paws"....took > me a while to figure out that meant "pause". :) Clever. > > Question, since the new jamman is out with some new features, will you > eventually allow Loopy Llama to mimick that? In particular, the slowing > down > the loop without effecting pitch would be cool. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Kline" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:40 AM > Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! > > >> FYI: the version from last week worked differently - it would only >> respond >> to maximum values (127 or 7F) from a controller - except the record >> button >> (it made sense at the time). The one released yesterday allows any midi >> value for any button, so it should work for you now. >> >> What host were you using? >> >> >> Chris >> http://chriskline.com >> >>> I wish it had MIDI learn! If someone could try out mapping a note send >>> to >>> the Clear button, this would be great. I'd like to know if it is just >>> my >>> system. My Behringer sends the same button note command to Mobius and >>> triggers functions no problem, so I don't know why it wouldn't work >>> with >>> Loopy Llama. Again, Record works fine. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kris Hartung" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:24 AM >>> Subject: Re: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >>> >>> >>>> I'm glad you mentioned this. You jogged my memory. I downloaded >>>> LoopyLlama >>>> last week (new version), and I think it is a really nifty program for >>>> a >>>> basic looper. I was able to get it going with my Behringer in no time, >>>> using the DL-4 preset. I thought it would be cool to use both it and >>>> Mobius in some clever fashion. :) >>>> >>>> I think it is a great software alternative for current DL-4 or JamMan >>>> users. Does the DL-4 preset also function like a JamMan? I don't know >>>> much >>>> about the JamMan. >>>> >>>> I stil need to experiment with the program, however. I discovered >>>> reverse, >>>> no problem. What other nifty features can it do while in the free, >>>> un-quantized looping mode? For some reasons, I could not map my >>>> Behringer >>>> to the CLR or Clear button using a note send. Record works fine, but >>>> no >>>> dice on Clear. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chris Kline" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 3:03 AM >>>> Subject: Product spam: Loopy Llama 0.91 released! >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hey everybody, it's been a while since I announced a Llama release >>>>> here, >>>>> but this one's got some new features that may interest you. It now >>>>> allows >>>>> you to make "quantized" loops when synced to the host or listening to >>>>> the >>>>> internal click track. Your timing can be way off and the loop length >>>>> will >>>>> still be perfect - it takes the learning curve down a notch for live >>>>> looping IMO! (As long as you aren't so off that it thinks you wanted >>>>> an >>>>> extra beat). I am my only tester and it's really changed the way I >>>>> perform with it, but I'm curious to see what you pundits think! >>>>> >>>>> Also, it can save and load loops now. It's got a few other features, >>>>> but >>>>> the rest is standard stuff. As always it's Mac and Windows >>>>> compatible. >>>>> Info is at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14, download is at >>>>> http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=13. >>>>> >>>>> The only recording I have featuring it is the ambient loop (not >>>>> drums) >>>>> that runs throughout http://satelliteband.net/mp3 >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> http://rekliner.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 17:41:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED51C3BF70; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9AB34C36-DBE1-4CCF-BAE4-E30A78BE99F2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: FFS, people... Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:40:59 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) PLEASE learn to snip your posts - either quote nothing, or just the relevant bit - copying an entire post back to the list is really really annoying for those of us in digest mode... cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 17:48:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66AAA3BF73; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010d01c62a7c$6adeb790$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <9AB34C36-DBE1-4CCF-BAE4-E30A78BE99F2@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: FFS, people... Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:48:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:48:52 +0000 (UTC) specially to say: me too, agree, you da man!, etc etc..... Claude > PLEASE learn to snip your posts - either quote nothing, or just the > relevant bit - copying an entire post back to the list is really > really annoying for those of us in digest mode... > > cheers, > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 20:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8C7A3BF78; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QvTw+i7i0kSzlROhNBrt/cxT31+noWcIrIT7OkFvAOsmbTZpPpM/RSJyILker9zLDd1yJdYS1IAIuEtmq1zyeJadIMAsiWPLJ8Zov1fJjBGFMjiQaRdXozIGcXntpCSU1TbImdHd5rrHGUhZJOnKZUpNDOk3YP3zk6g9SObeFjg= ; Message-ID: <20060205204321.55279.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:43:21 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re:messge form peter- Repeater O.S. 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060205172443.E228E3BF71@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to inform you, this is the definition of a rumour. Peter is speaking to people at Electrix. Nothing has been decided. No amount of thinking otherwise and speaking otherwise makes it anything less than a rumour at this point. Please don't get me wrong, I don't work for Electrix, and I'm disappointed that the communication from Electrix has been poor to non-existant. I'm even more disappointed with the spreading of rumours-as-facts that goes on on lists like this than lack of communication. And to assume that the previous owners of Electrix owe us anything is pure fantasy. They have sold the business to another person. Though this other person owes us Repeater owners nothing, it only makes sense to me that he will see our previous commitment as valuable to his future business. Still, the Repeater is a viable and valuable tool. The Repeater noise mod has been put up on LD at this page: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/repeater.html or if you like: http://tinyurl.com/7f7dt Stephen no, i aint got the time to be spreding out rumors man here is the recent post once again from Pete at condor electronics: > The OS2 for Repeater is alive and well - I can't say much, but we're > trying to find out if they will release it. I've talked to > engineering and the OS is complete, but that Electrix wants to > release it only with new product. I'm working on this, we'll see what > happens... > > Peter --- S V G wrote: > > Are you just spreading rumours or do you have > definate facts to back you up? Hearsay doesn't > count for much these days on the Internet... > > Stephen > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 23:04:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FD763BF73; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:11:22 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: looping on npr To: Message-id: <000b01c62aa9$7b469260$4d84a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps the "Wee Bastard" gets its name from how it throws right back at you anything you throw at it! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Douglas" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: Re: looping on npr > Hi there, > > It's an Akai Headrush, affectionately known as "The Wee Bastard". A diagram of the setup KT uses is at http://www.kttunstall.com/weebastard.html. Not sure why it got that nickname though. The recording of "Black Horse & The Cherry Tree" at the end of her album is a live looping recording, with KT and guitar & tambourine, on Jools Holland's BBC TV show. A fun watch it was too. > > - Tony > > > ".David.Auker." wrote: > > >Effective/creative voice/beat/guitar loopage...what looping tools do you > >think she's using? They mention foot switches... > > > >Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > > >>A segment on artist KT Tunstall and her looping, today on > >>Weekend Edition - Saturday Feb.4 : > >> > >>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5187870 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 5 23:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C99A53BF73; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAHYc5kOHUCw Message-ID: <008001c62aad$d2da52b0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> <000b01c62aa9$7b469260$4d84a344@hppav> Subject: Questions about RC50 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:42:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0606-0, 04/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <_bjwaC.A.mTG.l1o5DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:42:29 +0000 (UTC) I've been trying to find out more information about the new Boss RC50. I know it is a couple of weeks before the release, but has anyone tried one? I have a few questions which I hope someone on the list can answer: - Pedal 1 is Record/Play/Overdub.... Is it possible (through the external pedals?) to go from record straight into overdub - so that you can record seamless pads? This was one of my niggling things about the Repeater which wound me up so much. - There is no mention of 'multiply' or 'insert' anywhere on the info pages. Am I right in saying that the unit simply does not have those options? Its not the end of the world if this is the case, as I suppose you can record a 4 beat loop on phrase 1, then with loop quantize, record on phrase 2 an 8/16/whatever loop.... - Does the unit have variable feedback? - There is the possibility of 4 external switches - what can these be set up to do? & Is there a midi spec sheet available yet? Cheers. The more I look at the RC50, it looks like a very tasty piece of kit, especially for the price. Thanks in advance -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 00:34:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3893BF7D; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1366.66.25.94.103.1139186043.squirrel@66.25.94.103> In-Reply-To: <010d01c62a7c$6adeb790$0401a8c0@mini> References: <9AB34C36-DBE1-4CCF-BAE4-E30A78BE99F2@steve-lawson.co.uk> <010d01c62a7c$6adeb790$0401a8c0@mini> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:34:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: FFS, people... From: "Chris Kline" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 00:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Apologies for my part in those crimes, I was in a hurry for those last few and wasn't thinking mail-list... this one's short enough to not snip :P ... been trying to keep the replies off LD for the most part. It can be really annoying to have to dig through e-mails to figure out what that 13th reply that caught your interest was though... Including relevant parts from the last 2 generations can be very helpful. You da man... Chris http://chriskline.com > specially to say: me too, agree, you da man!, etc etc..... > > Claude > > >> PLEASE learn to snip your posts - either quote nothing, or just the >> relevant bit - copying an entire post back to the list is really >> really annoying for those of us in digest mode... >> >> cheers, >> >> Steve > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 01:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569C73BF75; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060205173059.01c37f30@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:31:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Lunar Module and Solar Voyager In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 01:31:47 +0000 (UTC) At 01:20 PM 2/4/2006, Kevin wrote: >While looking up Fripp's "Solar Voyager" rig at: >http://loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=Eddie+Mini+Van+Halen&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case Now that I know what was in the Solar Voyager, what was in the Lunar Module? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 02:09:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8B43BF71; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=myafN4cc7SR5Bmrr4srgwg54wI1xHAoS+IExxx+iXt27u4I6fS4WMwI6dnews6qN; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200621621724350@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f341d21d6f90516103286cade35291cf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:09:51 +0000 (UTC) rice does work, yes... bananas worked wonders for my Greyhound... well, as much as *anything* could ever work on a Greyhound ("What was that!?! Was that Crystal again?!? Run! Run for your lives!!!" :-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Stephen Goodman > To: > Date: 2/4/2006 9:25:01 PM > Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > ..."dog farts"? > > A little rice in his diet will help that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: daniel stevenson > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, 04 February, 2006 21:53 PM > Subject: Re: AW: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US... > > > frozen dinners/crack cocaine/mobile homes/prostitution/fubu/bling > bling/slang/drunkin fights/one car accidents/chittlins n hot > sauce/pimps/weed shortages/drive by's/barnyard beastiality/bourbon/jail > tattoo's/expanding ghetto's/monster trucks/pistol's/drug > slavery/prison's/warm beer/dog fart's/grafiti/devolution of education/over > population/thugg's/tax hikes/ect...ect...ect... > > reasons i hate hip hop & country music! > scary visionary. > > David Trenkel wrote: > On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 09:17 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar > Straschill wrote: > > >> The worst is that I often find material that I think is > >> hip-hop and that I like! and when I play it to people, I'm > >> informed, "that's not hip-hop".... > > > > Well, on the other hand, after I told a fellow musician that I liked > > Boards > > of Canada and he replied "so you do like hip hop" and I couldn't > > believe > > that they are hip hop, he told me "to some people, what we just played > > is > > hip hop"... > > I learned years ago never to dismiss entire genres of music. It's too > easy to say, "I hate Country", for example, and then hear an Hank > Williams tune that just tears your apart. Even easy listening had its > geniuses, Matin Denny, Esquivel, Les Baxter, etc. Hip Hop is the same, > there's the commercial stuff that sucks, but there are people working > in the margins doing fascinating and innovative stuff. Always look to > the margins... > > > > >> Do send us your list of interesting hip-hop. I am still open > >> to hearing it. > > > > Steve Coleman & Metrics > > > > > Great, great record. That record literally determined the direction my > music has been heading for the last few years. > > Other Hip Hop to check out: > Mike Ladd: Anything he's involved with is at least interesting, and > often brilliant. "Welcome to the Afterfuture" from 1999 is up there > with "Fear of a Black Planet" as one of the all-time best hip hop > albums. He's collaborated with a number of jazz musicians, his record > with Vijay Iyer's band, "In What Language," is just terrific, a theater > piece about travelling while non-white in the post 9-11 world, it also > has some astounding playing. His latest, "Presents Father Devine" is > perhaps his most straight-ahead rap album, but it's very cool. > > Subtle: Rick W. mentioned the Bay-Area based Anticon collective, Subtle > is sort of a supergroup of Anticon members. Subtle is an amazing live > band, with a drummer who doubles guitar, an electric cellist, a > keyboardist who doubles woodwinds, a guy who is a virtuoso at tapping > out live beats on an MPC, and Dose One, one of the most innovative > rappers I've heard, he's faster (and whiter-sounding) than Eminem, with > a serious taste for the surreal. He's also a great frontman, he'd be a > terrific stand-up comedian. I saw them on one of their last shows with > Dax Pierson, who was unfortunately paralyzed in a tragic tour van > accident last year. Subtle is still going, though, and very much worth > seeing. > > Blackalicious: Their "Blazing Arrow" disc from a few years ago is what > commercial hip hop should be, catchy as hell, great grooves, lots of > soul, and smart content. Their new disc "The Craft" is more socially > conscious, and gets more funky. It reminds me of Curtis Mayfield's > great stuff from the '70's. > > There's many more, but I got no more time to write... > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 02:16:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F3743BF75; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060205174846.04b16218@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:20:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 In-Reply-To: <008001c62aad$d2da52b0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> <000b01c62aa9$7b469260$4d84a344@hppav> <008001c62aad$d2da52b0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:16:59 +0000 (UTC) At 03:42 PM 2/5/2006, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >I've been trying to find out more information about the new Boss RC50. I >know it is a couple of weeks before the release, but has anyone tried one? I doubt anybody has tried one yet, but I saw the demo of it at NAMM. >I have a few questions which I hope someone on the list can answer: > >- Pedal 1 is Record/Play/Overdub.... Is it possible (through the external >pedals?) to go from record straight into overdub - so that you can record >seamless pads? This was one of my niggling things about the Repeater which >wound me up so much. I think the answer is no. I'm not 100% sure, since I forgot to ask this at the demo. But recording/overdubbing works the same as the RC-20XL, and as far as I know that pedal doesn't have the Record->overdub feature. In the RC-20 pedal I think you have to stop recording with a press of the Rec pedal and then press again with the same pedal to start overdubbing. So there is always a gap. It looks to me like the RC-50 is the same. >- There is no mention of 'multiply' or 'insert' anywhere on the info >pages. Am I right in saying that the unit simply does not have those >options? Its not the end of the world if this is the case, as I suppose >you can record a 4 beat loop on phrase 1, then with loop quantize, record >on phrase 2 an 8/16/whatever loop.... There are no multiply or insert functions. As far as I understood from the demo, when you use the quantize function while recording a second track, it will end up being the same length as the first track. So I don't think this really works as a multiply either. If you use it unquantized, you would have to press really precisely, but maybe that is as close to a multiply as you can get. >- Does the unit have variable feedback? no. It does have a "fade" function, where both out and in can be faded with a variable rate set in the presets. The demonstrator did not know how to use these features and couldn't show it to me or answer questions about them. I don't think it works like feedback. Feedback requires that you be able to continue overdubbing new material as the older stuff is reducing, and I don't think this fade function does that. It is more like a way to end a song without it being abrupt. We need to see somebody try it though to be sure. >- There is the possibility of 4 external switches - what can these be set >up to do? & Is there a midi spec sheet available yet? I think they can be mapped to any of the functions, and if I understood it correct, the mapping can be different for different presets. >Cheers. The more I look at the RC50, it looks like a very tasty piece of >kit, especially for the price. The list is around $785 I think. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 03:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368DA3BF7D; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c62acb$33386760$310dd00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060204131820.01cc3940@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060205173059.01c37f30@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Lunar Module and Solar Voyager Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:12:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:11:36 +0000 (UTC) > Now that I know what was in the Solar Voyager, what was > in the Lunar Module? Neil & Buzz! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 03:11:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D78F3BF81; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents Arms Full of Sound Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:12:05 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c62acb$1be49250$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 03:11:55 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday February 7th . Arms Full of Sound "Journey To Ambientia Winter" Journey to Ambientia 2: Seasons, is the year long project from=20 Arms Full of Sound that will take you back to that special place,=20 deep within the ambient mind. On the last journey, you were taken=20 to the powerful place called Ambientia, where you were able to=20 explore its strange ways of music. The Traveler is still there=20 trapped in the timeless world of music. We now embark on the=20 year-long journey to help the Traveler come home. We return=20 to Ambientia and experience what the Traveler has=20 learned so that we may help him home. The seasons change one into another and back again. Our journey=20 begins again. All must end where it began. Arms Full of Sound is an Ambient-Electronic music performer formed 4 years ago by Paul Needler. Using a large compliment of analog,=20 digital and software synthesizers, Arms Full of Sound produces live=20 blends of ambient music, usually all improvisational. http://www.armsfullofsound.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Phaedra by Tangerine Dream=20 To get us in the mood, we phade all the way back to 1974=20 for this classic ambient sequence album by electronic music=20 pioneers Tangerine Dream. http://www.tangerinedream.org Between Sets CD . Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts=20 by Angelmark This week we feature Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts=20 the second disc by Michael Turner's solo project Angelmark.=20 Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review=20 below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG.=20 http://www.resplendent.ca/angelmark . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG February 14th . The Sweetheart Sessions with - Subduction Current (Phil Ogison and Catherine Tammaro) - 1 Year Anniversary (Jeff Sinbaldi and Vanessa Price) - Love Puppets (Matt David and Anne Sulikowski) Cupid comes to the PiNG for Valentine's Day to bring us=20 The Sweetheart Sessions from our loveable friends at=20 Worthy Records. Subduction Current - an experi-pop-ambijazz duo, comprised=20 of Catherine Tammaro and her husband Phil Ogison. They believe=20 that their studio recordings should be representative of their live=20 performances, and therefore are always recorded in one take.=20 Catherine contributes many years of musical history having=20 played briefly in Steal This Book and for her collaborations with=20 Tom Third and Dr.Limbo in several projects. She is an accomplished=20 vocalist and soundscapist. Phil Ogison is known to PiNG audiences=20 for his project The Devil In The Design and his collaborations with=20 Anne Sulikowski (BCOM, Lovepuppets) in A Pretty Sonic Splatter=20 and Psychosomatic Climax Machine. Music for 'The Sweetheart=20 Sessions will be from the upcoming release on Worthy Records=20 "In This House" http://tditd.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison http://www.room101.net/index.htm 1 Yr Anniversary - Foundsounds, artsounds & sweetheart recordings=20 by v.price & j.sinibaldi. http://www.worthyrecords.com LOVE PUPPETS - as+md ... hearts carved in a tree ... a walk on the=20 moon with a short-wave radio .... http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.myspace.com/lovepuppetss . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Angelmark "Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts" I like beautiful things, things that make me stop and appreciate the=20 world around me, things that give me pause to think and wonder.=20 "Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts" is the second disc by Michael=20 Turner's solo project Angelmark and it is undoubtedly a beautiful=20 collection of music that inspires the stop, appreciate, pause, think=20 and wonder response in me. "Equipoise" opens the disc with a repeated melody slowly gaining=20 strength and volume, drifting into a more pronounced lead line that=20 dances and floats around the same melodic ideal. A steady rhythm=20 guitar plays underneath as lines blend and blur with each other=20 leading into a gradual dissolve of sounds. It's a stunning opening,=20 something wonderful. "Mam Tor" vibrates and oscillates with a beautiful intensity.=20 A background drone provides accompaniment and a sense of=20 movement that suggests displacement, relocation. It's a very=20 evocative piece, surprisingly effective given it's minimalist nature. The third track "Fleeting Moment..." has a strong cinematic quality=20 to it, suggesting rebirth and reawakening. I like this one, it has a=20 serenity and grace that appeals to the optimist in me. Track four "Wintermute" is a stunningly beautiful piece, a delicate=20 guitar melody that weaves in and out through a cascade of=20 chiming bells and enveloping rhythm work. It's a truly wonderful=20 piece that spirals and dances through the ether, and it's only=20 fault is that it ends too soon. "Others Distant" follows a similar form, a minimal bass line anchoring=20 a droning wall of guitar, a sense of oblique motion, drifting amongst=20 stars. I wonder if this and "Wintermute" are flipsides of the same=20 coin? They certainly complement each other well... "Unseen" has a sense of tension and displacement to it, nothing so=20 harsh as to be unsettling, but definitely an anxious feeling about it.=20 Guitar notes throughout the track feel choked and forced and=20 background drones try to gain shape and form, but never quite=20 succeed. It has a sense of claustrophobia to it, something=20 uncomfortable. And yet despite all of that, it still has a=20 feeling of beauty and charm about it. Lovely work. "Twilight World" offers some relief from the claustrophobia of=20 "Unseen", soft shapes and forms growing underneath swirling=20 backdrops and soothing lead lines. It's something beautiful and=20 shoegazerish, something that a Slowdive or Cocteaus fan would=20 adore, something that would be right at home in a film with=20 Rose McGowan and Johnathan Schaech driving through=20 the desert. Powerful. "Flowers Washed Down By the Rain" closes the disc, a minimal=20 piece employing solemn piano and sweeping guitar playing=20 overtop the steady sound of rain. A very nice environment=20 is created in this one, something very lush and full, while=20 maintaining a delicate quality, a sense of fragility.=20 Very nice. Over the course of these nine songs, Turner creates a beautiful=20 and magical environment for the listener to discover. His sense=20 of space and production is impeccable and his ability to develop=20 and expand on melody is outstanding. Certainly "Uncertain=20 Futures and Fading Pasts" is a release by an artist at the=20 top of his game, and certainly deserves repeated=20 listening and further exploration. "Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts" by Angelmark=20 is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/ANGELMARKfutures.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday, February 6th . Esprit Orchestra presents a Benefit=20 Screening and Party for the launch of Burnt Toast a television=20 film of eight short comic operas about love, directed by=20 Larry Weinstein. The music is composed by Alexina Louie=20 with a libretto by Dan Redican, and features Canada=92s=20 best opera singers: Isabel Bayrakdarian, Russel Braun,=20 Jean Stilwell, Michael Colvin, Krisztina Szabo, Benjamin Butterfield, = Shannon Mercer, and more. The star-studded cast of actors and=20 comedians includes Paul Gross, Colm Feore, Jessica Holmes,=20 Scott Thompson, Leah Pinsent, Colin Mochrie, Debra McGrath,=20 Cathy Jones, and Se=E1n Cullen. The event will be hosted by=20 Mark McKinney and will include performers from the Esprit=20 Orchestra playing excerpts from the film. 8:00 PM at Theatre D Digital =96 555 Mount Pleasant Road. Tickets $30 each, or 2 for $50, Patron Ticket - $100* For Tickets and Information Call: (416) 815-7887 or email: info@espritorchestra.com www.espritorchestra.com * Wednesday, February 8 - 11th . The Brampton Indie Arts Festival =20 more info: http://www.friendlyrich.com/iaprogram2006.html The Heritage Theatre: 86 Main Street North, Brampton Beaux Arts Gallery: 74 Main Street N. Brampton Festival Pass: $25 festival pass - only 100 passes are available Nightly tickets (at the door): $12 each or $6 student=20 Advance ticket price per night: Just $10 * Wednesday, February 8 . The Sea Gone Off with the Sun rob clutton: bass, ilana waniuk: violin,=20 brandon valdivia: percussion 9 pm the red guitar 603 Markham St. * Thursday, February 9th . URBAN FIELD SPEAKER SERIES R. Murray Schafer - The iconoclast composer and=20 notorious anti-urbanist, on the sound of the city Prefix Institute of Contemporary Art 401 Richmond Street West, Suite 124 8pm $5 Prefix Photo Subscribers and Students $8 Non-subscribers * Thursday, February 9th . Wavelength Anniversary Wavelength 300 Panel Discussion, featuring Stuart Berman,=20 Amy Hersenhoren, James Klassen, Doc Pickles, Misha Glouberman,=20 Trevor Coleman, Jonny Dovercourt, Bernard Kadosh, Dan Vila,=20 Dylan Reibling, Liz Forsberg, Ryan McLaren, Carl Wilson,=20 Christina Zeidler and James Anderson=20 7pm @ The Speakeasy, 120 Church St., PWYC $5-$10 * Thursday, February 9th . Wavelength Anniversary Wavelength Anniversary feat. Anagram, Republic of Safety,=20 Kickers, Feuermusik + DJs Shaniquin=20 9pm @ The Speakeasy, 120 Church St., PWYC $5-$10=20 * Friday, February 10th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i - Aldcroft / Clark / Fisher w/ ken aldcroft - guitar,=20 dave clark - drums, colin fisher - tenor sax ii - Brandon Valdivia w/ brandon valdivia - solo drums iii - Nick Fraser and Justin Haynes w/ nick fraser- drums,=20 justin haynes- guitar 9pm ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 $10/6 * Friday, February 10th . Wavelength Anniversary Wavelength Anniversary feat. LAND (Lullabye Arkestra +=20 No Dynamics), Lenin i Shumov, The Bicycles, Castlemusic +=20 DJ Shit la Merde=20 9pm @ The Boat, 158 Augusta Ave., PWYC $5-$10 * Saturday, February 11th . Wavelength Anniversary Wavelength Anniversary feat. The Hylozoists, Picastro, Ohbijou,=20 Woodhands + DJ Matt Blair=20 7:30pm @ The Music Gallery at St. George-the-Martyr Church,=20 197 John St., PWYC $5-$10 * Saturday, February 11th . Alternative to the Alternative Series (The Brampton Indie Arts Festival) 8:15 - catch London, Ontario's Boot Disk is an experimental=20 audio/visual performance trio that mixes sound and image live.=20 Part electronic music/part cinematic cut & paste; Boot Disk is=20 at the forefront of a/v experimentation. Boot Disc is a=20 collaboration between electronic musician Thomas Cermak,=20 turntablist Matti Paquiz, and video guru Skot Deeming.=20 9:00 - Poet Lynn Harrigan reads from her new book "Moon=20 Sea Crossing" (Black Moss Press) accompanied by ambient=20 soundscape artists dreamSTATE (Scott M2 and Jamie Todd). 9:45 - The Houseplants like to sing and write songs with friends.=20 Featuring Perry Joseph, Gordon Shawcross, and Michael Herring.=20 Beaux Arts Gallery 74 Main Street N. Brampton $12 each or $6 student - Advance ticket price per night: $10 * Sunday February 12th . Canadian Music Centre Continues Province-Wide Professional Readings Series in 2006 The Elmer Iseler Singers and invited musicians, conducted by Lydia Adams, read previously unperformed choral music works by=20 composers Clifford Ford, David Lidov and Micheline Roi. 3 =96 5 PM Walter Hall, Faculty of Music, University of Toronto FREE ADMISSION * Sunday February 12th . The NOW Series presented by=20 AIMT and the NOW Lounge 3:00pm - Workshop Improvisation - Scott Thomson 5:00 - Wilson / Keith / Newman / Fisherr=20 w/ john wilson - guitar, michael keith - guitar,=20 paul newman - tenor sax, colin fisher - tenor sax 6:00 - Anthony / Luciani / Norton=20 w/ colin anthony - voice and percussion, jeff luciani - drums,=20 alice norton - voice, electric guitar=20 4pm-7pm The NOW Lounge 189 Church St. $6 * Sunday February 12th . Dave Clark's Woodshed Orchestra=20 Tania Gill, Blake Howard, Mike Overton, Monica Fedrigo,=20 Lina Allemano, Julia Hambleton & Dave Clark=20 8pm @ the Pepperjack Cafe 35 King St E Hamilton, Ontario * Sunday February 12th . Soundstreams Canada=20 THE WEAVING MAIDEN Chan Ka Nin composer +=20 THE GHOST OPERA Tan Dun composer Ivars Taurins conductor, VERONICA TENNANT narrator,=20 Xin Wang soprano, PATRICIA GREEN mezzo soprano,=20 ERIC SHAW tenor, Nathaniel Watson baritone=20 Tafelmusik Chamber Choir Accordes String Quartet=20 Wen Xing Zhao pipa plus Kim Morris (dizi), George Gao (erhu),=20 Vivian Xia (yangqin), Calla Tan (guzheng),=20 Beverley Johnston (percussion) =20 8 pm Glenn Gould Studio 250 Front St. West $30 adult $20 senior $5 student (with valid I.D.) * Sunday, February 12th . Wavelength Anniversary Wavelength Anniversary feat. Henri Faberge and the Adorables,=20 Ninja High School, The Secret Handshake, The Phonemes +=20 DJ Davy Love=20 9pm @ Sneaky Dee's, 431 College St., PWYC $5-$10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. 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<4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> <000b01c62aa9$7b469260$4d84a344@hppav> <008001c62aad$d2da52b0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <6.1.2.0.2.20060205174846.04b16218@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:41:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0606-0, 04/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:41:08 +0000 (UTC) > (kim) The list is around $785 I think. It sounds so much cheaper in £'s... (£337 @Thomanns) :) Thanks for your feedback Kim, and clearing up a few points. I'm definitely going to have to try it before considering buying... -Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 6 20:15:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173363BEB9; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <001301c62b12$34105890$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> <000b01c62aa9$7b469260$4d84a344@hppav> <008001c62aad$d2da52b0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <6.1.2.0.2.20060205174846.04b16218@loopers-delight.com> <001301c62b12$34105890$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:15:20 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:15:26 +0000 (UTC) If it has an insert function and feedback control then I would find it=20= very exciting as I really like self contained units, this has so many=20 things which seem to really make sense, basic drum machine, simple=20 clear control layout, built in pedal board, etc. etc. however if its missing insert/feedback. that would be very disappointing. Geoff On 6 Feb 2006, at 11:41, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> (kim) The list is around $785 I think. > > It sounds so much cheaper in =A3's... 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1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: <3rBiT.A.i4D.BI85DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Fellow Loopers, It's that time again, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live, for you, on the internet. We will be playing February 11th from 5pm-8pm/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. It's a new time, and a shorter duration.. :) Hopefully more people will be able to tune in, and won't pass out.. hehe... Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Electronic Ambient Trance music (we've started calling it 'ambient loopadelic'), and features Dan Moore, Ross Artese, and Chris Roberts, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. Parisa, Our most favourite flutist, will be sitting in with us this time. It is her birthday too! And mine, a few weeks later, so we'll be having cake and ice cream for everyone who shows up.. ;) Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, February 1tth, at 5pm/pst for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: www.atomomach.com. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.SoundNWaves.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 03:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950263BEC2; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:52:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 In-Reply-To: References: <4D3F583D.68B93D1A.59DF470E@netscape.net> <000b01c62aa9$7b469260$4d84a344@hppav> <008001c62aad$d2da52b0$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> <6.1.2.0.2.20060205174846.04b16218@loopers-delight.com> <001301c62b12$34105890$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:49:33 +0000 (UTC) At 12:15 PM 2/6/2006, geoff smith wrote: >If it has an insert function and feedback control then I would find it >very exciting No insert function. Also no Replace or Substitute or any other Insert-related functions. I'm 90% sure there is no feedback control either, but we need somebody to try out the "fade" function to be sure. Probably the fade is like the RC-20XL fade, where it is just an alternate way to end a loop with an automatic volume fade. That's not the same as feedback control, and not nearly as useful. >however if its missing insert/feedback. >that would be very disappointing. Prepare for disappointment. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 03:55:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F153BEC2; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,93,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="203136403:sNHT37485852" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:44:46 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions 2.18.06 --- Hyde Park, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The next Immersions event will occur on Saturday, Feb 18 8:PM, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. "Immersions" is a monthly intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. This edition will feature Jonathan Lamaster on violin, bass, and electronics, and probably other guest artists. We have been doing Immersions on the third Saturday of the month at Artists at Large since September of last year. The gallery is going to be moving out of its current space at the end of the month, so this is your last chance to catch us at what has been a wonderful space for us to stretch out and strut our stuff. Hope you can make it. Tommey Seggers, the gallery's splendid impresario, expects to find a new space in the area, hopefully in time for the March Immersions. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 04:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999693BECC; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VajRyaAylL+a6nk9Fp9hLIiarKjxCG6aXiyCd7hR1wHwY55QApxU+lmdoznOPSPaCrIR8xzIkarLUX4GnwsHns7o6WElP+phYN7Gi/pifm3LDFGNGP+0WhjQQfvRCODbY6z59JtVONLWLYmhLBttJgJXrNvbeGBn4y5ckio50wE= ; Message-ID: <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting features. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 05:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47FE73BEC5; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 05:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:54:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8-XZuC.A.ZgE.LYD6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 05:54:19 +0000 (UTC) No, it was under glass. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting features. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 06:02:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FAA13BECA; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:40:47 -0500 Subject: Syncing Two EDPs - having problems From: bassad To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm having a sync issue with my two EDPs. (LOOP IV- blackface) I am using brothersync but when I loop a short section (Ex: one note looping at .85) the two EDPs drift apart fairly quickly. I have sync set for "OUT" on both Echoplexes. According to the manual, a midi clock overrides the brothersync and I'm trying to figure out if somehow I have missed a parameter setting to adjust that. The EDPS are connecting via a 1/4 cable for brother sync and then a midi cable. 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b=IiXaQ4Jtl8BspPcW74lwIGUIl6OUMD7RxsLPON4e0duvxe6CmbBIhmRRu6XQXhBcl5I49MMVe/hFFhQC2Ab2MnHcok16i+z8wyM+ZcIqF+QghAM57lhO8ACgOPLxl33Ff3pPx5XPR5sBNWGVbz+BOGWF/bXlh+IKktlMFTMxXG4= ; Message-ID: <20060207065552.79669.qmail@web34810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:55:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Well, that's not a very interesting feature. :) John --- William Walker wrote: > No, it was under glass. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper > > > Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper > at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting > features. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 07:12:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E26D23BEB5; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=POMUvc1g5hArKWErOpB8ce+O5VTke+iUOADV4z5z5awrQ3102QOkAPq3GB+0tM+tqzJeq8epXMs3d5AI54yxl2vVPUBt2XQ1oPSsAzezJbae9oEOIzFdG/I0/zlYcNXUhczdLADtHdCKDPMJ3QulbIUb0S/mjr09MLWBWftgq2U= ; Message-ID: <20060207071211.15248.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:12:11 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Syncing Two EDPs - having problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Craig, make sure the parameters on both units are exactly the same set the threshold to 0 and if u have more than one program, make sure the sync parameter is set the same for all.So far mines are behaving ok although every once in a while they still drift a bit,no idea why... --- bassad wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm having a sync issue with my two EDPs. (LOOP IV- > blackface) > > > I am using brothersync but when I loop a short > section (Ex: one note looping > at .85) the two EDPs drift apart fairly quickly. > > > I have sync set for "OUT" on both Echoplexes. > > > According to the manual, a midi clock overrides the > brothersync and I'm > trying to figure out if somehow I have missed a > parameter setting to adjust > that. > > The EDPS are connecting via a 1/4 cable for brother > sync and then a midi > cable. I use a FCB1010 to control them. > > any suggestions? > > thanks > > Craig > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 09:06:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9382A3BECD; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060207010235.01d601e8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:07:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <20060207065552.79669.qmail@web34810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060207065552.79669.qmail@web34810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:06:48 +0000 (UTC) >--- William Walker wrote: > > No, it was under glass. At 10:55 PM 2/6/2006, John wrote: >Well, that's not a very interesting feature. you mean phillip glass was _sitting_ on it? that's an _interesting_ feature. tom of music thing seems quite taken with it: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/01/big-awesome-looking-looper-from.html Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 09:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739D63BEC1; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060207010235.01d601e8@TheNettles.com> References: <20060207065552.79669.qmail@web34810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060207010235.01d601e8@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 03:36:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:37:01 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 7, 2006, at 3:07 AM, Kevin wrote: > tom of music thing seems quite taken with it: > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/01/big-awesome-looking-looper- > from.html well considering i don't see a feedback control i don't see what this does that the RC-50 (another looper no one has used yet) wouldn't do better, cheaper, and with increased fidelity other than being Indie-OK as it _is_ an EH product. but hell, it might kick the EDP's ass. maybe the secondary footcontroller (which they have not released a picture of the mock-up of yet) has all those nifty features that would actually make this an innovative looping device. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 10:09:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 502053BEB5; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=43mnqJzAG/pCVeUsNP88pBXLvMxoVMKJ2yBxiBMacdMrExZKqizNZbK0gSOKwZn0OT9O4kWtnFSuCdap8W9NZPhGwXraBhzVaP3jp6yqK3umpROkDZIkwPjZQaGxEqlwW/JHU83KJpMLoz/M0veWK1Fwk7b3Uh0SyHegNgxnhpA= ; Message-ID: <20060207100908.5442.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 02:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: New electronic wind instrument mailing list "ewind" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060207090649.23CD03BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:09:13 +0000 (UTC) There is a VERY active windcontroller Yahoo group you might be interested in checking out before reinventing the wheel. Lotsa talk about the new Akai 4000s in which a few people have already received advance units. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/windcontroller Stephen > I just started a new electronic wind instrument mailing list at > http://ax.to/ewind (shorthand for > http://groups.google.com/group/ewind). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 10:09:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970AA3BED8; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NXMfCwVryDQYiutCB10rcJ/2qIUPj9+CuhDONNjoWTmMq4/NWvgf2vYVSDlPmUfblc1kaDwigFp6vNwWHvnkCMq2fYKRWWdhhbDUBrhKZpfnSHUkvG/bqcckJCW6st++lndFjzdNRBNr7m7C8oib+5+LGoJLcTx6L0bLSeGLbgM= ; Message-ID: <20060207100911.13344.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 02:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: New electronic wind instrument mailing list "ewind" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060207090649.23CD03BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:09:13 +0000 (UTC) There is a VERY active windcontroller Yahoo group you might be interested in checking out before reinventing the wheel. Lotsa talk about the new Akai 4000s in which a few people have already received advance units. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/windcontroller Stephen > I just started a new electronic wind instrument mailing list at > http://ax.to/ewind (shorthand for > http://groups.google.com/group/ewind). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From secure@paypaI.com Tue Feb 7 14:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from neptune.nswebhost.com (unknown [72.9.248.130]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6283BEB8; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.186.209.92] (port=2636 helo=User) by neptune.nswebhost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F6TWd-0000Rj-0Q; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:09:00 -0600 Reply-To: From: "secure@paypaI.com" Subject: Attention! 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Subject: DYI Pedalboard for "live looping" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Sorry if this is a re-posting, Saw this article this morning in my RSS aggregator. http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/02/how_to_multi_layer_pedal_board.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 Cheers, Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 15:34:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B5BD3BEDB; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:12:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Syncing Two EDPs - having problems -SOLVED!! From: bassad To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060207071211.15248.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <7WybxD.A.GvE.z3L6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Luis, THANK YOU! It was the threshold. I had it set to 3. I think I changed it a while back when I was exerimenting with syncing to a drum machine. Ahhhh.... I am a hapy looper again :) Thanks again! Craig on 2/7/06 2:12 AM, Luis Angulo at labalou2000@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Craig, > make sure the parameters on both units are exactly the > same set the threshold to 0 and if u have more than > one program, make sure the sync parameter is set the > same for all.So far mines are behaving ok although > every once in a while they still drift a bit,no idea > why... > > --- bassad wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm having a sync issue with my two EDPs. (LOOP IV- >> blackface) >> >> >> I am using brothersync but when I loop a short >> section (Ex: one note looping >> at .85) the two EDPs drift apart fairly quickly. >> >> >> I have sync set for "OUT" on both Echoplexes. >> >> >> According to the manual, a midi clock overrides the >> brothersync and I'm >> trying to figure out if somehow I have missed a >> parameter setting to adjust >> that. >> >> The EDPS are connecting via a 1/4 cable for brother >> sync and then a midi >> cable. I use a FCB1010 to control them. >> >> any suggestions? >> >> thanks >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 16:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 915813BEDB; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,95,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2106743194:sNHT535346164" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <44CF73F2-285F-44A9-A91D-ACBE2D3A6C77@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kelly Coyle Subject: zTar, Receptor for sale Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:22:59 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Synths don't seem to speak to me. I love hearing them, and I guess I understand them (to an extent), but I don't seem to be able to use them like I imagined. Every once in a while, I think it would be nice to play something other than guitar, and so far it has always turned out the same way -- I find I need to work harder on the instrument I play well. (I've been through this with the theremin, the Stick, various basses. I'm not bad on the uke, though.) Anyway, I'm selling off my recently acquired synthy gear. zTar: I just bought this. It is very cool, but, as I said a few days ago, kinda spendy and I just don't think I'm going to get enough use out of it. This is a silver mini-Z, all tricked out, which I bought from a guy in Chicago a couple of weeks ago. I paid $1550 for it, and would like to recover that, but if you use some kind of check (which I will wait to clear before sending it) I'll knock $25 off for saving me the PayPal fees. I'll pay shipping in the US. I'll eBay it in a few days if no one is interested. I just put a picture up (from the eBay auction the guy I bought it from held over it) here: http://www.kellycoyle.net/stuff/ztar.jpg The zTar, let's see it's a miniZXB, with the key triggers and 6 expression pads. It also has an added ribbon controller, an extra x/y controller (not a joystick -- kind of a joystick that doesn't return to zero), and the breath controller. It is silver. It has the case and all materials. On the downside, the previous owner smoked. The case stunk when I first got it, but seems to be better now. The breath controller tubing stinks, too, but can easily be replaced or (maybe) cleaned. The instrument itself doesn't seem to stink. I also plan to sell my Receptor when it is back from Muse with a new (under warranty) power supply. It can run instrument and effects VSTs, so you can use it as a synth or a multieffect, or both. It has an extra GB of memory, and licenses for the PSP-42 delay and PSP- Nitro filter. Also a strange reverb called "Ambience." (Loopy Llama reportedly works on the thing, FWIW.) There's also a bunch of "free" proprietary licenses included with the thing -- I haven't necessarily kept all of those programs on there, but they can be reloaded from Plugorama. See the details there. The Muse people said they would transfer all of the licenses to the buyer. $1220 shipped in US. If you, again, are willing to wait for the check to clear, I'll make it $1200 to avoid PayPal fees. It's present configuration, at street prices, would be about $1800., although I got the PSP plugs in a 2- for-1 special. I expect to have it back in my possession in about a week. Thanks. Sorry about the bandwidth, but I thought some of y'all might be interested. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 17:20:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE903BEDA; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.028385 secs Process 14166) Message-ID: <4774.88.111.67.237.1139332855.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <43E8BA72.8090105@hushmail.com> References: <43E8BA72.8090105@hushmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:20:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: DYI Pedalboard for "live looping" From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:20:57 +0000 (UTC) > Saw this article this morning in my RSS aggregator. > http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/02/how_to_multi_layer_pedal_board.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 Thanks for the link. I've been pricing up options to protect my gear for when I start gigging again... This seems like an ideal option, and with the size of FCB1010's etc, a DJ box might just be the ticket! 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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:34:54 +0000 (UTC) At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote: >Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper >at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting >features. Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the booth people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do it quick before I forget the details totally... Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss things. I didn't get to try it myself. Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper * 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 together for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track. * stereo in and out * loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again to end. * loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a metronome click. * memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes loop time. * There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc. I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, and he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single loop. * The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them separately. Each loop would need its own card. * There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix. * The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdub only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is a little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets volume in one state and feedback in the other. * there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo field. * There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the stereo mix-down track and free them up again for more loops. * it has midi sync in and out * USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer. This was only pointed out, not demonstrated. * There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well. * There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse together, but I might be wrong. * there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall * there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any demo of a replace function, so this may be the overdub. * There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to select the one you are controlling. * there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using finger buttons on the box. * I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorry I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however. * list price is $698 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20DC93BED5; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ujB/n3E3/w8rjL1cQvnZjfhoXneEudeA+BhzugSGCHnm8NaS/lrPCKtHJXf/YJvMpS//zrtjnIHOsCSYkWxQ/Jizeqk7RWNoF2E1oZ5fBDErXXOzSkFDIo5aPmgsc+ESFBBDVCItcgNmNmxjz978Z51/Dif0fJGuJOoT/Li5NuE= ; Message-ID: <20060207183740.86677.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-615951638-1139337459=:85262" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-615951638-1139337459=:85262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI synced with another looper. I would be using this device only for triggering and looping of acoustic brush kit drum sounds, and would be building loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and its potential, but at this time I am looking for a standalone hardware device, not a computer based looper. Thanks, Rale --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-615951638-1139337459=:85262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI synced with another looper. I would be using this device only for triggering and looping of acoustic brush kit drum sounds, and would be building loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and its potential, but at this time I am looking for a standalone hardware device, not a computer based looper.

Thanks,
Rale

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Mail. --0-615951638-1139337459=:85262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 18:44:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB5753BEE4; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mwOL8yMC80gySvpD6FUGLpsW0aID+x/4Ji8PlPYJrpESYrDSItdU8rGp1uHyRFgpVwTUfYkbmrZ7qeVd3GJNXZ9fB3X+KEkL6A4O8G9dkqHghdxIW/JMgm3WGGlrFgLOnfPjvRQtUOIa45B/LrZJl/fQNqDxsTEoae8WDVh7QIA= ; Message-ID: <20060207184408.70576.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060207005128.09130820@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:44:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the e-mail Kim. This device seems more along the line of loopers like new Boss RC-50. What I was looking for was more of a MIDI looper, which would be a sequencer and a sampler at the same time, most importantly, the one that would allow for "on the fly" style of MIDI drum looping. Thanks a lot for the e-mail. Rale Kim Flint wrote: At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote: >Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper >at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting >features. Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the booth people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do it quick before I forget the details totally... Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss things. I didn't get to try it myself. Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper * 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 together for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track. * stereo in and out * loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again to end. * loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a metronome click. * memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes loop time. * There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc. I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, and he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single loop. * The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them separately. Each loop would need its own card. * There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix. * The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdub only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is a little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets volume in one state and feedback in the other. * there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo field. * There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the stereo mix-down track and free them up again for more loops. * it has midi sync in and out * USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer. This was only pointed out, not demonstrated. * There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well. * There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse together, but I might be wrong. * there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall * there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any demo of a replace function, so this may be the overdub. * There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to select the one you are controlling. * there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using finger buttons on the box. * I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorry I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however. * list price is $698 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for the e-mail Kim. This device seems more along the line of loopers like new Boss RC-50. What I was looking for was more of a MIDI looper, which would be a sequencer and a sampler at the same time, most importantly, the one that would allow for "on the fly" style of MIDI drum looping.
 
Thanks a lot for the e-mail.
Rale

Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote:
>Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper
>at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting
>features.

Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the booth
people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Super
Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do
it quick before I forget the details totally...

Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss
things. I didn't get to try it myself.


Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper

* 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 together
for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track.

* stereo in and out

* loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again to end.

* loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a
metronome click.

* memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes
loop time.

* There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc.
I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, and
he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not
much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big
long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single loop.

* The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one
loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them
separately. Each loop would need its own card.

* There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix.

* The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdub
only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is a
little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets
volume in one state and feedback in the other.

* there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo
field.

* There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the stereo
mix-down track and free them up again for more loops.

* it has midi sync in and out

* USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer.
This was only pointed out, not demonstrated.

* There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording
loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo
change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well.

* There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse
together, but I might be wrong.

* there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall

* there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their
name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any demo
of a replace function, so this may be the overdub.

* There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to select
the one you are controlling.

* there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra
functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using
finger buttons on the box.

* I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorry
I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however.

* list price is $698

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com


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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 19:09:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993073BEE6; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <43E8F036.4090809@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:08:38 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations References: <20060207183740.86677.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060207183740.86677.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi, you could try out a Korg S3, which is quite old but has excellent jazz / brush sounds and does exactly what you want. Regards, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 19:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23D13BEE1; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y71ZcTS7rUehhsySeW7RFwAXnAu9w0l1jMbcNkehCjOzu/jd3BZdefnQ/qb63iDQZIf1DwVShYK89HNS8TZL54H6Nway6pEBvl8rvGFW/VB/Fiv/1a/Dju0fbacciD0pjPYabhYXSQNpoZlnC4Lslalfok3DQtc5UH3aS/rL78Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:35:04 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <20060207184408.70576.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060207005128.09130820@loopers-delight.com> <20060207184408.70576.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:35:05 +0000 (UTC) A little unreleated but does anyone have any information regarding the EHX HOG Guitar Synthesizer announced at NAMM? Would love to get some more info on this pedal. -Mark On 2/7/06, Rafko M wrote: > Thanks for the e-mail Kim. This device seems more along the line of loope= rs > like new Boss RC-50. What I was looking for was more of a MIDI looper, wh= ich > would be a sequencer and a sampler at the same time, most importantly, th= e > one that would allow for "on the fly" style of MIDI drum looping. > > Thanks a lot for the e-mail. > Rale > > > Kim Flint wrote: > > At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote: > >Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper > >at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting > >features. > > Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the boot= h > people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Sup= er > Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do > it quick before I forget the details totally... > > Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss > things. I didn't get to try it myself. > > > Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper > > * 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 togeth= er > for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track. > > * stereo in and out > > * loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again t= o > end. > > * loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a > metronome click. > > * memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes > loop time. > > * There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, et= c. > I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, an= d > he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not > much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big > long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single lo= op. > > * The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one > loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them > separately. Each loop would need its own card. > > * There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix. > > * The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdu= b > only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is= a > little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets > volume in one state and feedback in the other. > > * there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo > field. > > * There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the ster= eo > mix-down track and free them up again for more loops. > > * it has midi sync in and out > > * USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer. > This was only pointed out, not demonstrated. > > * There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording > loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo > change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well. > > * There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse > together, but I might be wrong. > > * there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall > > * there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their > name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any de= mo > of a replace function, so this may be the overdub. > > * There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to selec= t > the one you are controlling. > > * there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra > functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using > finger buttons on the box. > > * I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorr= y > I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however. > > * list price is $698 > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > ________________________________ > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 21:17:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55CF63BEB8; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 7 Feb 2006 21:16:18 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:16:17 -0500 Subject: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? X-Originating-Ip: 69.237.32.203 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060207211617.A009FCA0A0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:17:10 +0000 (UTC) I currently use 2 EDPs, each with dedicated stock foot controller. I seem = to recall someone saying they used one controller with 2 EDPs, with an a/b = box to control which EDP is seeing signal from the foot controller. Anyone out there try this? Any issues with false triggerings, glitches,etc= . when switching? I'd love to pare down my rig to a more reasonable chunk of stage real estat= e, and this would save some floor space if it was reliable. Thanks Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 21:28:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A69093BED3; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016801c62c2d$7599c500$9cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060207211617.A009FCA0A0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 466, in=218282, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:28:41 +0000 (UTC) hi Joe - It could have been me. I have a MIDI Thru split box that splits one MIDI input into two MIDI THRU outputs. I went from my Behringer into the box, and then out with two MIDI cables into each EDP. But I found it easier to just go from one EDP MIDI Out to the MIDI in of the other unit. It's called a "MIDI Solutions Thru" box. http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? I currently use 2 EDPs, each with dedicated stock foot controller. I seem to recall someone saying they used one controller with 2 EDPs, with an a/b box to control which EDP is seeing signal from the foot controller. Anyone out there try this? Any issues with false triggerings, glitches,etc. when switching? I'd love to pare down my rig to a more reasonable chunk of stage real estate, and this would save some floor space if it was reliable. Thanks Joe Rut -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 21:30:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D17BB3BED3; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tqO3b3b11EK1dE9G8LXlf1z2YpfDNLmlppaALelBDZ7Z9W6hbwSQjngsJs+0qtPlltLGt29vCryPmx68qWKDezLIQjnV6hh4+y5hwvFgn6m4m+9OiIsQYk/g4WmQmYav8SGy9rcHus5p+pUKW7L8YT1OrOC4ddfeRO+Ma4iSxCo= ; Message-ID: <20060207213033.42704.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-624161200-1139347833=:40674" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:30:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-624161200-1139347833=:40674 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1242248578-1139347833=:40674" --0-1242248578-1139347833=:40674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kim, I mistakenly replied to your posting not realizing that it was on a subject different from the one I made. Please disregard it. Thanks, Rale Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1242248578-1139347833=:40674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Kim,
 
I mistakenly replied to your posting not realizing that it was on a subject different from the one I made. Please disregard it.
 
Thanks,
Rale

Note: forwarded message attached.

Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1242248578-1139347833=:40674-- --0-624161200-1139347833=:40674 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Apparently-To: rafko_m@yahoo.com via 206.190.48.96; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:44:15 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [207.228.238.45] Authentication-Results: mta212.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com; domainkeys=fail (bad sig) Received: from 207.228.238.45 (EHLO arsenic.violacea.com) (207.228.238.45) by mta212.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:44:11 -0800 Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C956C3BEE7; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mwOL8yMC80gySvpD6FUGLpsW0aID+x/4Ji8PlPYJrpESYrDSItdU8rGp1uHyRFgpVwTUfYkbmrZ7qeVd3GJNXZ9fB3X+KEkL6A4O8G9dkqHghdxIW/JMgm3WGGlrFgLOnfPjvRQtUOIa45B/LrZJl/fQNqDxsTEoae8WDVh7QIA= ; Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060207005128.09130820@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Content-Length: 2775 --0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the e-mail Kim. This device seems more along the line of loopers like new Boss RC-50. What I was looking for was more of a MIDI looper, which would be a sequencer and a sampler at the same time, most importantly, the one that would allow for "on the fly" style of MIDI drum looping. Thanks a lot for the e-mail. Rale Kim Flint wrote: At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote: >Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper >at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting >features. Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the booth people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do it quick before I forget the details totally... Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss things. I didn't get to try it myself. Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper * 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 together for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track. * stereo in and out * loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again to end. * loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a metronome click. * memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes loop time. * There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc. I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, and he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single loop. * The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them separately. Each loop would need its own card. * There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix. * The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdub only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is a little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets volume in one state and feedback in the other. * there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo field. * There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the stereo mix-down track and free them up again for more loops. * it has midi sync in and out * USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer. This was only pointed out, not demonstrated. * There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well. * There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse together, but I might be wrong. * there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall * there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any demo of a replace function, so this may be the overdub. * There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to select the one you are controlling. * there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using finger buttons on the box. * I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorry I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however. * list price is $698 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for the e-mail Kim. This device seems more along the line of loopers like new Boss RC-50. What I was looking for was more of a MIDI looper, which would be a sequencer and a sampler at the same time, most importantly, the one that would allow for "on the fly" style of MIDI drum looping.
 
Thanks a lot for the e-mail.
Rale

Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote:
>Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper
>at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting
>features.

Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the booth
people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Super
Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do
it quick before I forget the details totally...

Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss
things. I didn't get to try it myself.


Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper

* 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 together
for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track.

* stereo in and out

* loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again to end.

* loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a
metronome click.

* memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes
loop time.

* There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc.
I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, and
he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not
much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big
long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single loop.

* The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one
loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them
separately. Each loop would need its own card.

* There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix.

* The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdub
only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is a
little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets
volume in one state and feedback in the other.

* there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo
field.

* There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the stereo
mix-down track and free them up again for more loops.

* it has midi sync in and out

* USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer.
This was only pointed out, not demonstrated.

* There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording
loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo
change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well.

* There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse
together, but I might be wrong.

* there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall

* there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their
name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any demo
of a replace function, so this may be the overdub.

* There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to select
the one you are controlling.

* there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra
functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using
finger buttons on the box.

* I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorry
I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however.

* list price is $698

kim


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Mail. --0-2059277623-1139337848=:70271-- --0-624161200-1139347833=:40674-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 22:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44B163BECC; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C5+WwhccT6KDDvBwMLP2NqXn1hgMDY6bS+SbfQh9Uh/w9D+9e+Y4k3cHmOJ0Vi7iEy4YZubSpxqsvEry1pJHTL3i8DWrbg3+Q79Vqc16CbOTT+X9+Kg42vFMgEgpq2c9feS16fN5WymYgUFuxY7Vg57zkaW8IWMLUdBVRHc6+zo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:02:51 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <20060207213033.42704.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060207213033.42704.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1zzA3.A.ZsH.MkR6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg Any one got the info? On 2/7/06, Rafko M wrote: > Kim, > > I mistakenly replied to your posting not realizing that it was on a subje= ct > different from the one I made. Please disregard it. > > Thanks, > Rale > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > ________________________________ > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rafko M > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:44:08 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper > Thanks for the e-mail Kim. This device seems more along the line of loope= rs > like new Boss RC-50. What I was looking for was more of a MIDI looper, wh= ich > would be a sequencer and a sampler at the same time, most importantly, th= e > one that would allow for "on the fly" style of MIDI drum looping. > > Thanks a lot for the e-mail. > Rale > > Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote: > >Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper > >at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting > >features. > > Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but if you asked the boot= h > people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room with the EH 2880 Sup= er > Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it sooner, and better do > it quick before I forget the details totally... > > Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where it is easy to miss > things. I didn't get to try it myself. > > > Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper > > * 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a way to link 2 togeth= er > for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track. > > * stereo in and out > > * loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start record and tap again t= o > end. > > * loop time can also be set quantized to a predetermined tempo, with a > metronome click. > > * memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships with gives 4 minutes > loop time. > > * There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, et= c. > I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop and a chorus loop, an= d > he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and putting in another! Not > much point in a large amount of loop time if all you can do is make a big > long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just get a longer single lo= op. > > * The card saves the loop on power down. however, again there is only one > loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop saved and recall them > separately. Each loop would need its own card. > > * There is a slider for each track to control volume for the mix. > > * The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is controlled during overdu= b > only. Since the same slider is used for mixing levels and feedback, it is= a > little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The slider position sets > volume in one state and feedback in the other. > > * there is a stereo pan control for each track, to place it in the stereo > field. > > * There is a mix down function, so you can bounce your tracks to the ster= eo > mix-down track and free them up again for more loops. > > * it has midi sync in and out > > * USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading files to a computer. > This was only pointed out, not demonstrated. > > * There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo prior to recording > loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I recall, the tempo > change is like tape speed change, so the pitch changes as well. > > * There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all the tracks reverse > together, but I might be wrong. > > * there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I recall > > * there is a punch-in button, although I don't remember if this was their > name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I don't remember any de= mo > of a replace function, so this may be the overdub. > > * There is a track-select button that scrolls through the tracks to selec= t > the one you are controlling. > > * there is a proprietary external footswitch. It does not have any extra > functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of the functions using > finger buttons on the box. > > * I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from record to overdub, sorr= y > I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it however. > > * list price is $698 > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > ________________________________ > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 22:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8105D3BED8; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=webujVV+jGN72VlZmNNaI4ICdudWT6DbGOCjwpS162f+pYUHlufSBHS/L94cih1fyKspHlJrFGu2JjbXWh9RaABsBCd3bxUfAip1uuklG3IovzOhodnEMg6ZLUSmdWWRTGR1QTd5Jw4D1I+20b6v06uZA73+olZW0W3oQ+Ci62g= ; Message-ID: <20060207222919.86738.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060207183740.86677.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:29:27 +0000 (UTC) You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I asked the same question I found my only real choice was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer, it's out of production and only found used. I love mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat Garden/World/Protozoa) You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now too. Good luck, Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler > or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) > with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for > live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI > synced with another looper. I would be using this > device only for triggering and looping of acoustic > brush kit drum sounds, and would be building > loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. > during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and > its potential, but at this time I am looking for a > standalone hardware device, not a computer based > looper. > > Thanks, > Rale > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 22:43:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8EB3BED0; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v3WUBtNHWd0mVk72Cgx7BkatBCvNg9fIqygXlyhEtKla8077IV4yiL6zO6gXq5pLYHu0U8moJVASO1V4/Rz+TCEseUEgLBoz5YOkB67D4r2ktV4/GwQHLREw8N7DtcoBlPj3NOQsItZfHnWtZm2aSg91oou6yA3APLJZekbcuSQ= ; Message-ID: <20060207224346.66073.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Pedalboarding for "live looping" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4774.88.111.67.237.1139332855.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) wow what a cute mess! ive recently built a pedalboard myself for band gigs with the essentials, a chorus CE2,tremolo PN2,ts-9,DD-3,nobels booster,mojo vibe,,DL4 and boss tuner all hooked up to a NS-2 power supply,i´d still add a fuzz face a reverb or perhaps an octave pedal but i want to keep it to a minimum.As much as i like the DL4 i ve been checking out the DD-20 lately,this could share the same boss 9v power supply and make more room by getting rid of the dd-3,and the bulky DL4 12v power supply, plus i want to go from delay mode to loop mode when i feel like it and not have to switch it manually like i have to with the DL4.I would probably miss the filter delay and the 1/2 speed, but Ive heard the DD-20 sounds great and it doesnt have the volume drop issues that the DL4 has.Anybody experienced both? cheers Luis --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > Saw this article this morning in my RSS > aggregator. > > > http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/02/how_to_multi_layer_pedal_board.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 > > Thanks for the link. I've been pricing up options to > protect my gear for > when I start gigging again... This seems like an > ideal option, and with > the size of FCB1010's etc, a DJ box might just be > the ticket! > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 23:05:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C803BEE4; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S3h3s/wmOOoLzxUgp3NHADMQBSd3uMdL+ItR65MqMqDX0cIgdRjCePV+FOAmm50pkTvFbk/oAldsty6rPIXqcfHS6kxowIM8Udn0D3oEfR3EqPKpFz5dWdMK70Bj7soMkd45fovP9rr7Qz9IlWsDX3/n8ZUEy38/gcy9yptaA4I= ; Message-ID: <20060207230455.57273.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:04:55 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Free or cheap OSX MIDI sequencer for basic playback? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060207005128.09130820@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:05:06 +0000 (UTC) I just wanted to loop some .mid files to listen to while at work (they're examples in a class I'm taking on polyrhythms) and all I need is something that let's me select a few bars and have them loop. I'm in os 10.4. thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 7 23:11:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF4E3BEDE; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060207230455.57273.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060207230455.57273.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56A99758-8C56-40A5-9334-14737941B9C4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Free or cheap OSX MIDI sequencer for basic playback? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:11:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1n-ssB.A.DFC.rkS6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:11:39 +0000 (UTC) On 8 feb 2006, at 00.04, mark sottilaro wrote: > I just wanted to loop some .mid files to listen to > while at work (they're examples in a class I'm taking > on polyrhythms) and all I need is something that let's > me select a few bars and have them loop. I'm in os > 10.4. The bundled Quicktime player can play MIDI files. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 03:23:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E803BEB8; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b701c62c5f$12115980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:23:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:23:44 +0000 (UTC) I have been a bit shocked at the dirth of replies, but I have a solution that could be a wonderful one for you and not all that expensive for how powerful it would be. 1) Buy yourself a new ($150) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Drums/Percussion/Electronic/Drum/Machines?sku=705531 or used ($30 - $75 or a buy it now model in excellent condition for $100) http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=alesis+sr+16&category0= ALESIS SR-16 DRUM MACHINE This drum machine is a really good midi controller with touch sensitive pads. * note, these have been out since 1989 unbelievably and there are a million of them out there, many of them are thrashed with overuse. I'd recommend getting the Buy It Now model or the brand new Model (with a warranty) It's sounds, unfortunately suck donkeys (pardon my Amaraic) Soooooo, couple it with the purchase of: 2) a used ($170 or $245 buy it now price) (though none on Ebay currently used) http://www.prepal.com/data/Alesis.htm ALESIS DR 4 oone rack space DRUM MODULE with hundreds of sounds 3) or a used ($245 by it now) http://instruments.search.ebay.com/ALESIS-DM-5_Musical-Instruments_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsacatZ619 or a brand new ($349 with a set of five external triggers thrown in for free -VERY NICE for progamming your drum machine externally) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Drums/Percussion/Electronic/Drum/Machines?sku=705523 ALESIS DR 5 (18 bit drum module-----------the sounds are great in this box........everything from real to processed to electronic drum machine to electronic drums to synthesizer drums to percussion) 4) Control both with an inexpensive ONE IN/TWO OUT MIDI THRU box ($28.79 new) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Recording/Computer/Hardware?sku=702507X If you want to get really hi tech about it, you could purchase a TRIGGER FINGER (midi finger styled controller for $199) to control the DM 4 or DM 5 and you'd have control over volume, panning, cutoff frequency, resonance, etc. of the sounds). http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Keyboards/Midi/MIDI/Controllers?sku=703614 You could also go with just the Trigger Finger instead of the SR 16 but you'd lose the sequencing abilities. That would be a great solution for everything you'd want to do and you could easily get in under $500 for the whole kit and kaboodle. Good luck. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 03:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6B943BECC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16011891.1139371142843.JavaMail.root@web18> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:59:02 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Cc: "loop.pool" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9jT3pC.A.IiB.MyW6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi: I don't know if anyone in a prior thread mentioned it but the Roland SPD-S is a pretty nifty device. The internal sounds aren't half bad and one can sample one's own (or from an included CD with Roland sounds on it). The form factor is a 6 pad plus 3 rim-kinda-shot pads. The stuff loaded into the device give a pretty good idea of what it can do. It has a lot of features and an accompanying manual that (as usual with Roland) could be better but does cover the extensive features of this beast. There's a rudimentary kind of looping available with the unit as well. Try demo-ing the thing in a store. You can see how the thing would be a good fit to a looping environment. I must have always wanted to be a drummer as I'm thinking of getting a whole rig next (electronic lower end Roland). I paid around $499 for the SPD-S, BTW. Regards, Paul ---- "loop.pool" wrote: > I have been a bit shocked at the dirth of replies, but I have a solution > that could be a wonderful one for you and not all that expensive for how > powerful it would be. > > > 1) Buy yourself a new ($150) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Drums/Percussion/Electronic/Drum/Machines?sku=705531 > > or used ($30 - $75 or a buy it now model in excellent condition for $100) > http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=alesis+sr+16&category0= > > ALESIS SR-16 DRUM MACHINE > This drum machine is a really good midi controller with touch sensitive > pads. > > * note, these have been out since 1989 unbelievably and there are a million > of them out there, many of them are thrashed with overuse. > I'd recommend getting the Buy It Now model or the brand new Model (with a > warranty) > > It's sounds, unfortunately suck donkeys (pardon my Amaraic) > > > > Soooooo, couple it with the purchase of: > > 2) a used ($170 or $245 buy it now price) (though none on Ebay > currently used) > http://www.prepal.com/data/Alesis.htm > ALESIS DR 4 oone rack space DRUM MODULE with hundreds of sounds > > 3) or a used ($245 by it now) > http://instruments.search.ebay.com/ALESIS-DM-5_Musical-Instruments_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsacatZ619 > > or a brand new ($349 with a set of five external triggers thrown in for > free -VERY NICE for progamming your drum machine externally) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Drums/Percussion/Electronic/Drum/Machines?sku=705523 > > ALESIS DR 5 (18 bit drum module-----------the sounds are great in this > box........everything from real to processed to electronic drum machine > to electronic drums to synthesizer drums to percussion) > > 4) Control both with an inexpensive ONE IN/TWO OUT MIDI THRU box ($28.79 > new) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Recording/Computer/Hardware?sku=702507X > > > If you want to get really hi tech about it, you could purchase a TRIGGER > FINGER (midi finger styled controller for $199) > to control the DM 4 or DM 5 and you'd have control over volume, panning, > cutoff frequency, resonance, etc. of the sounds). > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Keyboards/Midi/MIDI/Controllers?sku=703614 > > You could also go with just the Trigger Finger instead of the SR 16 but > you'd lose the sequencing abilities. > > > That would be a great solution for everything you'd want to do and you could > easily get in under $500 for the whole kit and kaboodle. > > Good luck. > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 04:02:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02333BED5; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cEm38aH/9iaRE1jQop+5GzZSzKhXs0kkuaDyvfJOFPeeYfs+E0Cg0x4S1AuRReGhqa7KCLe4+h797evZY+awxOzDkL3reZRkgX7rNd6TRMiPxQtRgG3CoJTmEXgFJbdUMYdYnDrEe86wuzZoKyLyUiW4XFXPO+DfE1pFKI4etFs= ; Message-ID: <20060208040213.11910.qmail@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060207222919.86738.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-987673646-1139371333=:10482" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:02:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-987673646-1139371333=:10482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were going for, what, $695, or so? Paul mark sottilaro wrote: You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I asked the same question I found my only real choice was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer, it's out of production and only found used. I love mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat Garden/World/Protozoa) You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now too. Good luck, Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler > or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) > with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for > live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI > synced with another looper. I would be using this > device only for triggering and looping of acoustic > brush kit drum sounds, and would be building > loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. > during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and > its potential, but at this time I am looking for a > standalone hardware device, not a computer based > looper. > > Thanks, > Rale > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-987673646-1139371333=:10482 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were going for, what, $695, or so?
 
Paul

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I
asked the same question I found my only real choice
was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while
it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer,
it's out of production and only found used. I love
mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat
Garden/World/Protozoa)

You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic
route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally
cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now
too.

Good luck,

Mark

--- Rafko M wrote:

> Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler
> or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit)
> with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for
> live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI
> synced with another looper. I would be using this
> device only for triggering and looping of acoustic
> brush kit drum sounds, and would be building
> loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e.
> during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and
> its potential, but at this time I am looking for a
> standalone hardware device, not a computer based
> looper.
>
> Thanks,
> Rale
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-987673646-1139371333=:10482-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 04:17:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489F03BECC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:56:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? From: bassad To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016801c62c2d$7599c500$9cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <-dFYZB.A.B_B.yDX6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:17:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm using two EDPs. I ditched the stock footcontoller and use a FCB1010 for both. I have mine sync'd togther for stereo so each is one the same midi channel however it would be a simple matter to run them on separate midi channels. Craig on 2/7/06 4:28 PM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > hi Joe - > > It could have been me. I have a MIDI Thru split box that splits one MIDI > input into two MIDI THRU outputs. I went from my Behringer into the box, and > then out with two MIDI cables into each EDP. But I found it easier to just > go from one EDP MIDI Out to the MIDI in of the other unit. It's called a > "MIDI Solutions Thru" box. > > http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm > > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe rut" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:16 PM > Subject: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? > > > I currently use 2 EDPs, each with dedicated stock foot controller. I seem > to recall someone saying they used one controller with 2 EDPs, with an a/b > box to control which EDP is seeing signal from the foot controller. > > Anyone out there try this? Any issues with false triggerings, glitches,etc. > when switching? > > I'd love to pare down my rig to a more reasonable chunk of stage real > estate, and this would save some floor space if it was reliable. > > Thanks > > Joe Rut > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 05:18:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABFA3BECA; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KjWfnTGSYc4eoCmqXG7yKQ9fBqNQSxkime0rkfrCTq5G5qm//oeOxSOwO3pZSBZohZawd1BO30FwhY+Hae3T/Yd9du+QnQGgJ/NjiqOQLFYNLky2UejG61fOGkaQI97GA+NEw5f2YLxP2DRpxLPseM6EtsJfDXcx940+TsbUFKc= ; Message-ID: <20060208051846.67063.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:18:46 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060208040213.11910.qmail@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-46730772-1139375926=:66231" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:18:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-46730772-1139375926=:66231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark: thanks for the recommendation. As you said, the only problem is that it Command Stations no longer in production and I would be reluctant to buy them used. Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable of live looping, as I described it in my original posting. I did not find anything about this when I read info about the older model. The new one does not seem to have sequencer at all. Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you mind confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for “on the fly” sequencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance flow being interrupted. Paul: Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that SPD-S does not have the sequencing capabilities that I need (“on the fly” drum style looping). I would be more inclined toward choosing a simpler setup, i.e. setup that reduces number of devices and cables, i.e. preferably a single unit, which is why something like E-MU Command Station would work. The idea of simplicity of setup is the reason why I am exploring hardware options as opposed to using a PC. Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are currently in production and that would be suitable for live looping as I described it earlier? Rale Paul Richards wrote: I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were going for, what, $695, or so? Paul mark sottilaro wrote: You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I asked the same question I found my only real choice was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer, it's out of production and only found used. I love mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat Garden/World/Protozoa) You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now too. Good luck, Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler > or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) > with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for > live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI > synced with another looper. I would be using this > device only for triggering and looping of acoustic > brush kit drum sounds, and would be building > loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. > during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and > its potential, but at this time I am looking for a > standalone hardware device, not a computer based > looper. > > Thanks, > Rale > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mark: thanks for the recommendation. As you said, the only problem is that it Command Stations no longer in production and I would be reluctant to buy them used. Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable of live looping, as I described it in my original posting. I did not find anything about this when I read info about the older model. The new one does not seem to have sequencer at all.   
 
Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you mind confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for “on the fly” sequencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance flow being interrupted.
 
Paul: Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that SPD-S does not have the sequencing capabilities that I need (“on the fly” drum style looping).
 
I would be more inclined toward choosing a simpler setup, i.e. setup that reduces number of devices and cables, i.e. preferably a single unit, which is why something like E-MU Command Station would work. The idea of simplicity of setup is the reason why I am exploring hardware options as opposed to using a PC.
 
Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are currently in production and that would be suitable for live looping as I described it earlier?
Rale

Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were going for, what, $695, or so?
 
Paul

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I
asked the same question I found my only real choice
was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while
it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer,
it's out of production and only found used. I love
mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat
Garden/World/Protozoa)

You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic
route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally
cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now
too.

Good luck,

Mark

--- Rafko M wrote:

> Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler
> or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit)
> with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for
> live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI
> synced with another looper. I would be using this
> device only for triggering and looping of acoustic
> brush kit drum sounds, and would be building
> loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e.
> during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and
> its potential, but at this time I am looking for a
> standalone hardware device, not a computer based
> looper.
>
> Thanks,
> Rale
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Brings words and photos together (easily) with
> PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.


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Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-46730772-1139375926=:66231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 10:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDF23BECD; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S0HqOxqsCi0Q53NBLh8C5+vBRiNp7ybao3KCdKWH+tenGR9dUwdO8QUV4Z/kyVM462SvYk5YOWydeThLwf61AgENYBHfyevmPwVmoif3kXcBuiVUBMpkEz37JMC6/Bdu3YNrenbrkZvxg403belBQpajjOu/no0iC+Ud93556K8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602080205o3b40ceb3v992cf0fca14addac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:05:03 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? In-Reply-To: <20060207211617.A009FCA0A0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060207211617.A009FCA0A0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:05:05 +0000 (UTC) On 2/7/06, joe rut wrote: > I currently use 2 EDPs, each with dedicated stock foot controller. I see= m to recall someone saying they used one controller with 2 EDPs, with an a/= b box to control which EDP is seeing signal from the foot controller. You definitely didn't dream it, I recall reading that message too. I keep meaning to do the same experiment, since I use the same setup as you= . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 14:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53913BEC1; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NOQHGacDPpbujkKxWGZG9jaFelz9c0lHgUgFZjc5Ul0H6EMEi56nsmT3vYHZdHp6NQRcieTCw0fAlprDkB02ClnLykPEygLpTgzRbYCQs52fBJl2wt4S7W9wlBJFPmn32TWeweDmuPddDC4kZNaWHH6R0S+GDt3cPX+MLL8tZJw= ; Message-ID: <20060208140554.97736.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060208051846.67063.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1787310026-1139407554=:96305" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1787310026-1139407554=:96305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I forgot to add that I would be using this device very modestly, most of times single 8-bar phrase/sequence containing at most four drum components (bass drum, snare, cymbal and/or hi-hat). In other words, I am not at all concerned with the number of patterns/sequences that this device would be able to memorize, as long as it can memorize one. It would not even have to have or allow for memorizing of a high number of drum samples. The only imperatives are velocity-sensitive pads, live looping capability (construction of sequence during performance, without interruption, where I could shift in and out of recording mode without interrupting playback). I was hoping that there would be a sampler/sequencer suitable for this since I already have nice brush kit samples, but if there is no such thing, I would be okay with a drum machine that already has good brush samples. Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks for the recommendation. As you said, the only problem is that it Command Stations no longer in production and I would be reluctant to buy them used. Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable of live looping, as I described it in my original posting. I did not find anything about this when I read info about the older model. The new one does not seem to have sequencer at all. Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you mind confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for “on the fly” sequencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance flow being interrupted. Paul: Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that SPD-S does not have the sequencing capabilities that I need (“on the fly” drum style looping). I would be more inclined toward choosing a simpler setup, i.e. setup that reduces number of devices and cables, i.e. preferably a single unit, which is why something like E-MU Command Station would work. The idea of simplicity of setup is the reason why I am exploring hardware options as opposed to using a PC. Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are currently in production and that would be suitable for live looping as I described it earlier? Rale Paul Richards wrote: I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were going for, what, $695, or so? Paul mark sottilaro wrote: You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I asked the same question I found my only real choice was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer, it's out of production and only found used. I love mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat Garden/World/Protozoa) You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now too. Good luck, Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler > or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) > with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for > live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI > synced with another looper. I would be using this > device only for triggering and looping of acoustic > brush kit drum sounds, and would be building > loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. > during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and > its potential, but at this time I am looking for a > standalone hardware device, not a computer based > looper. > > Thanks, > Rale > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I forgot to add that I would be using this device very modestly, most of times single 8-bar phrase/sequence containing at most four drum components (bass drum, snare, cymbal and/or hi-hat). In other words, I am not at all concerned with the number of patterns/sequences that this device would be able to memorize, as long as it can memorize one. It would not even have to have or allow for memorizing of a high number of drum samples. The only imperatives are velocity-sensitive pads, live looping capability (construction of sequence during performance, without interruption, where I could shift in and out of recording mode without interrupting playback).
 
I was hoping that there would be a sampler/sequencer suitable for this since
I already have nice brush kit samples, but if there is no such thing, I would be okay with a drum machine that already has good brush samples.


Rafko M <rafko_m@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark: thanks for the recommendation. As you said, the only problem is that it Command Stations no longer in production and I would be reluctant to buy them used. Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable of live looping, as I described it in my original posting. I did not find anything about this when I read info about the older model. The new one does not seem to have sequencer at all.   
 
Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you mind confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for “on the fly” sequencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance flow being interrupted.
 
Paul: Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that SPD-S does not have the sequencing capabilities that I need (“on the fly” drum style looping).
 
I would be more inclined toward choosing a simpler setup, i.e. setup that reduces number of devices and cables, i.e. preferably a single unit, which is why something like E-MU Command Station would work. The idea of simplicity of setup is the reason why I am exploring hardware options as opposed to using a PC.
 
Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are currently in production and that would be suitable for live looping as I described it earlier?
Rale

Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were going for, what, $695, or so?
 
Paul

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I
asked the same question I found my only real choice
was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while
it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer,
it's out of production and only found used. I love
mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat
Garden/World/Protozoa)

You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic
route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally
cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now
too.

Good luck,

Mark

--- Rafko M wrote:

> Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler
> or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit)
> with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for
> live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI
> synced with another looper. I would be using this
> device only for triggering and looping of acoustic
> brush kit drum sounds, and would be building
> loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e.
> during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and
> its potential, but at this time I am looking for a
> standalone hardware device, not a computer based
> looper.
>
> Thanks,
> Rale
>
>
>
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Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1787310026-1139407554=:96305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:21:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50A73BEC7; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7052720.1139412109403.JavaMail.root@web11> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:21:49 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Cc: Rafko M Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Forget the brushes and go with MARACAS! :) Paul Richards ---- Rafko M wrote:=20 > I forgot to add that I would be using this device very modestly, most of = times single 8-bar phrase/sequence containing at most four drum components = (bass drum, snare, cymbal and/or hi-hat). In other words, I am not at all c= oncerned with the number of patterns/sequences that this device would be ab= le to memorize, as long as it can memorize one. It would not even have to h= ave or allow for memorizing of a high number of drum samples. The only impe= ratives are velocity-sensitive pads, live looping capability (construction = of sequence during performance, without interruption, where I could shift i= n and out of recording mode without interrupting playback). > =20 > I was hoping that there would be a sampler/sequencer suitable for this = since=20 > I already have nice brush kit samples, but if there is no such thing, I= would be okay with a drum machine that already has good brush samples.=20 >=20 >=20 > Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks for the recommendation= . As you said, the only problem is that it Command Stations no longer in pr= oduction and I would be reluctant to buy them used. Is Roland Handsonic tha= t you mentioned capable of live looping, as I described it in my original p= osting. I did not find anything about this when I read info about the older= model. The new one does not seem to have sequencer at all. =20 > =20 > Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you mind = confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for =C2=93on the fly=C2=94 se= quencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance flow bei= ng interrupted.=20 > =20 > Paul: Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that SPD-S does not have the= sequencing capabilities that I need (=C2=93on the fly=C2=94 drum style loo= ping).=20 > =20 > I would be more inclined toward choosing a simpler setup, i.e. setup th= at reduces number of devices and cables, i.e. preferably a single unit, whi= ch is why something like E-MU Command Station would work. The idea of simpl= icity of setup is the reason why I am exploring hardware options as opposed= to using a PC.=20 > =20 > Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are curr= ently in production and that would be suitable for live looping as I descri= bed it earlier? >=20 > Rale >=20 > Paul Richards wrote: > I know where one can get new XL-7's for $599. I think these were goin= g for, what, $695, or so? > =20 > Paul >=20 > mark sottilaro wrote: > You've got a really limited choice my friend... when I > asked the same question I found my only real choice > was an E-MU Commandstation. Here's the problem, while > it's an amazingly great Drum Machine/synth/sequencer, > it's out of production and only found used. I love > mine and packed it full of ROM cards (Beat > Garden/World/Protozoa) >=20 > You also might want to explore the Roland Handsonic > route. Not the same animal at all, but an equally > cool instrument. I hear they make a cheaper one now > too. >=20 > Good luck, >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Rafko M wrote: >=20 > > Could anyone recommend a hardware sequencer/sampler > > or a drum machine (with a good acoustic brush kit) > > with velocity sensitive pads that could be used for > > live looping. This device would be a master and MIDI > > synced with another looper. I would be using this > > device only for triggering and looping of acoustic > > brush kit drum sounds, and would be building > > loops/sequences and quantizing them on the fly, i.e. > > during performance. I am aware of Ableton Live and > > its potential, but at this time I am looking for a > > standalone hardware device, not a computer based > > looper.=20 > >=20 > > Thanks,=20 > > Rale=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! >=20 > =09=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C6C53BEDA; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAG6Z6UOCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060208151905.02836a90@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:29:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations(Paul) In-Reply-To: <20060208141055.852143BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060208141055.852143BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:30:46 +0000 (UTC) >it but the Roland SPD-S is a pretty nifty device. hi Paul. I tried one of these in the shop. It so nearly does what I wanted. I found the pads somewhat insensitive, especially the " 3 rim-kinda-shot pads ". (that's probably not a problem for "normal" sized sticks and the average drummer though) I couldn't find a way to do a controllable hi-hat on it ( and Roland just didn't answer when I asked, which was the main deciding factor for forgetting about this unit) It's 8 way polyphonic, but only at lo-quality. At high quality it's only 4 way polyphonic, which isn't really enough. The looping (=resampling) isn't geared towards live performance. ...but otherwise it just looked so promising :-( Glad you got it to work for you. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 15:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6347A3BED8; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c62cc5$220fd440$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:34:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:34:19 +0000 (UTC) RALE asked: "Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you mind confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for "on the fly" sequencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance flow being interrupted. " Yes, I believe it does. That's why I recommended it in the first place. 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For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Electrix = dunzo > www.electrixpro.com > > > > R.I.P > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. 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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:38:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 467, in=229443, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Sorry Joe, I misunderstood your original post. I responded with the MIDI solution. But my response would be similar. You can controll two EDPs with one stock conroller, just hook the two EDPs together with a short MIDI cable. But if you wanted to try a splitting solution, I suppose you could try out one of those 1/4 inch splitter boxes that are active to keep the output up to par. Who knows? This seems like more wires to worry about though. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morton" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Controlling 2 EDPs with one Foot Controller?? On 2/7/06, joe rut wrote: > I currently use 2 EDPs, each with dedicated stock foot controller. I seem > to recall someone saying they used one controller with 2 EDPs, with an a/b > box to control which EDP is seeing signal from the foot controller. You definitely didn't dream it, I recall reading that message too. I keep meaning to do the same experiment, since I use the same setup as you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 18:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6213BEDC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14062135.1139422238658.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:10:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Juan Urquart's music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:10:41 +0000 (UTC) I have at long last checked out Juan's music at http://rendher.tripod.com , and it is very good indeed. If any of you have not checked it out yet, I'd recommend it. The rhythm section is both confident and competent, the female vocals are muy sexy, and Juan's guitar playing is creative and effective. He sometimes uses a semi-metal ripped-speaker tone that splits the difference between LinkWray and Tony Iommi. Cute ;-) Nice work, Juan. Cheers, Tim www.mungenast.com www.myspace.com/timmungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 18:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91D33BEDF; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [151.204.132.119] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: tarbit@hotmail.com Subject: 2/12 NYC Performance Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:20:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 18:20:08.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AE72F50:01C62CDC] Resent-Message-ID: <_Zv-7C.A.7uF.aZj6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Todd Merrell + Lou Rossi + Casey Block Sunday: February, 12 2006 ABC No Rio 156 Rivington Street (between Clinton & Suffolk), New York, NY 10002 Tel: 212.254.3697 www.abcnorio.org Cost: $3.00 Hear the ensemble that one listener called, "The highlight of the evening" at Issue Project Room's 'Retro Relay' last November. Todd Merrell captures electricity in the air and transforms it into an immersive, otherworldly, musical soundscape. Lou Rossi and Casey Block cast their spells and weld Todd's work onto a field far richer than anyone could have imagined alone... Don't miss it. Todd Merrell: shortwave radio & electronics http://www.myspace.com/toddmerrell Lou Rossi: touch guitar textures & loops http://myspace.com/lourossi Casey Block: keyboards & electronics www.eatrecords.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 18:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC1393BEEC; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wwstStiKAo5P6TxrO6wXpDRqp4fi3YPWeSfOFPfb/nV/OE57UfMxeGUoaYCWTvU50mMBGYebuWxnrZtHGAbCfe29n9y5Ruvfm/0PFQA8gvXIoTSiYBW07d7rg6JUc+pRJTP6Uj7AONfZffgqWXyCsKwCljrgpHv90+LWd+BAW6g= ; Message-ID: <20060208182300.62936.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c62cc5$220fd440$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) E-MU command stations allow for this as well. They even allow you to save without stopping the sequence. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > RALE asked: > "Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate > setup. Would you mind > confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for > "on the fly" sequencing, > i.e. sequence recording and playback without > performance flow being > interrupted. " > > Yes, I believe it does. That's why I recommended > it in the first place. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 18:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C40D3BEF9; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5H5J+U0h/nRDPxxVpaMjlWrVzfKf6+msOeaxMGGGALpd9mxx3lC4uW3jss59W7agbcF+CJi5RtPo7gfpzR8dDr2gRvPMOQEDNFUdNcHnsvxGMBCqoDSwCmmpxnPJGKSZhH38YZu7mx9FC061fBtfcOHjFot2WiY6wWRCSjikTok= ; Message-ID: <20060208183011.9067.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7052720.1139412109403.JavaMail.root@web11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:30:13 +0000 (UTC) > > > > Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks > for the recommendation. As you said, the only > problem is that it Command Stations no longer in > production and I would be reluctant to buy them > used. Why? I get the majority of my gear used, and I sell stuff on ebay all the time (yes, it's a bad habit) and as long as you make sure your seller has very good ratings I've found ebay to be pretty samn safe. E-MU stuff is pretty much battle ready solid state metal incased gear. I woudn't be too worried. Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable > of live looping, as I described it in my original > posting. I did not find anything about this when I > read info about the older model. The new one does > not seem to have sequencer at all. Honestly, I know the Hansonic has a pretty simple built in sequencer but other than using its built in presets to practice with, I've never recorded anything with it. When I loop with it I loop its audio out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks again to all of you who replied. This really helps me. I have a couple more questions though: Rick, in my previous posting I forgot to ask if you could please clarify for me whether ‘MIDI Solutions Active MIDI Thru Box’ would work if I wanted to use Alesis SR-16 as my master MIDI clock for Boss RC-50 looper, while having at the same time Alesis SR-16 connected to another sound module or a PC based sampler, functioning as a trigger/sequencer. I know that this probably falls into the domain of MIDI basics, but I was not sure if you thought of the MIDI thru box in the context of a setup where a different MIDI device would be sending master MIDI clock information. Paul, could I ask you what you are using to loop audio coming out of Handsonic. Do you quantize these audio loops after recording them. My primary instrument, and the one I would be using the majority of time during performances, is guitar. I have DL4 and was considering getting RC-50 for all the guitar/bass looping. I know that RC-50 is capable of audio quantizing, but it seemed to me that I should stay in the domain of MIDI with my drum looping, knowing that these are MIDI triggered events anyway. But I am new to this subject and perhaps too conservative. This is why these postings are an enormous help to me. One more note. While checking out promotional video for BOSS Dr880, I noticed that the person doing a demonstration demo was actually putting a drum loop together without stopping playback: http://www.rolandus.com/Multimedia/Flash/dr880/index.html under Building a Rhythm Again, I am new to drum machines, and this might seem very basic to some of you. Thanks, Rale mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks > for the recommendation. As you said, the only > problem is that it Command Stations no longer in > production and I would be reluctant to buy them > used. Why? I get the majority of my gear used, and I sell stuff on ebay all the time (yes, it's a bad habit) and as long as you make sure your seller has very good ratings I've found ebay to be pretty samn safe. E-MU stuff is pretty much battle ready solid state metal incased gear. I woudn't be too worried. Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable > of live looping, as I described it in my original > posting. I did not find anything about this when I > read info about the older model. The new one does > not seem to have sequencer at all. Honestly, I know the Hansonic has a pretty simple built in sequencer but other than using its built in presets to practice with, I've never recorded anything with it. When I loop with it I loop its audio out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thanks again to all of you who replied. This really helps me. I have a couple more questions though:
 
Rick, in my previous posting I forgot to ask if you could please clarify for me whether ‘MIDI Solutions Active MIDI Thru Box’ would work if I wanted to use Alesis SR-16 as my master MIDI clock for Boss RC-50 looper, while having at the same time Alesis SR-16 connected to another sound module or a PC based sampler, functioning as a trigger/sequencer.  I know that this probably falls into the domain of MIDI basics, but I was not sure if you thought of the MIDI thru box in the context of a setup where a different MIDI device would be sending  master MIDI clock information. 
 
Paul, could I ask you what you are using to loop audio coming out of Handsonic. Do you quantize these audio loops after recording them. 
 
 
My primary instrument, and the one I would be using the majority of time during performances, is guitar. I have DL4 and was considering getting RC-50 for all the guitar/bass looping. I know that RC-50 is capable of audio quantizing, but it seemed to me that I should stay in the domain of MIDI with my drum looping, knowing that these are MIDI triggered events anyway. But I am new to this subject and perhaps too conservative. This is why these postings are an enormous help to me.
 
One more note. While checking out promotional video for BOSS Dr880, I noticed that the person doing a demonstration demo was actually putting a drum loop together without stopping playback:
 
http://www.rolandus.com/Multimedia/Flash/dr880/index.html
 
under Building a Rhythm
 
Again, I am new to drum machines, and this might seem very basic to some of you. 
 
Thanks, Rale


mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks
> for the recommendation. As you said, the only
> problem is that it Command Stations no longer in
> production and I would be reluctant to buy them
> used.

Why? I get the majority of my gear used, and I sell
stuff on ebay all the time (yes, it's a bad habit) and
as long as you make sure your seller has very good
ratings I've found ebay to be pretty samn safe. E-MU
stuff is pretty much battle ready solid state metal
incased gear. I woudn't be too worried.

Is Roland Handsonic that you mentioned capable
> of live looping, as I described it in my original
> posting. I did not find anything about this when I
> read info about the older model. The new one does
> not seem to have sequencer at all.

Honestly, I know the Hansonic has a pretty simple
built in sequencer but other than using its built in
presets to practice with, I've never recorded anything
with it. When I loop with it I loop its audio out.


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Mail. --0-1089449507-1139425513=:16756-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 19:28:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D251E3BEE9; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M8Jip6DxnjdiHP/dr4XjnHdV/+aszuyyfc9E8J7tUzOqFPbSRtxZI+a/8PLVtTEtvZjn90qseIsBZl4bggu7s705eXGGDmoDfn4dudG+5MvP9R2F9vTyFX+vYHQG8r2SkWtlOg1eEYzvi8YmnqGVSwh0AsV8IPQR4zTKWDSkpiQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602081128h116bdc0aw9f2f171bdebc6b15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:28:25 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations In-Reply-To: <20060208190513.17178.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060208183011.9067.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060208190513.17178.qmail@web52005.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:28:26 +0000 (UTC) I swear by my Electribe -- I have the ER-1 that you can get for $200 these days -- there are later models that are similar. It lets you edit the pattern while you're playing *and* record individual button twist sequences. Aces! -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 19:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8324B3BEDA; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-58608157 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: EDP thump noise again Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:31:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:31:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-58608157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello from Switzerland A while ago I posted my question about that EDP "thump" noise. I tried to fix it the way it said in the archive: Going through that factory test with an open unit and reducing the noise to a minimum level (which still was considerable) with the trimpot (turning from ten past to quarter past approximately). The good news is: I didn't fry myself. The bad news is: The noise hasn't gone, it's still there when I am pushing any button except UNDO or NEXTLOOP. Any ideas what I could have got wrong? I must confess that I had to modify the test procedure for it didn't work out the way it was written in the archive article (has that article been written for loop3 or loop4 bytheway?): To get into the trimmer test, Start the unit while holding the Parameter and Record buttons down. I did it with the Parameter and Overdub buttons, because there was no startup screen with Parameter and Record, but only 88888888 Keep them held while the startup screen goes by, until the display shows all t's. It said something different, like 36t - I don't remember exactly (yeah, I know, I have been a bad boy again, messing around with stuff I am not really into...) Then let go. Should say 7F. It did that allright, so I thought everithing was fine Press parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then press Insert to start the trimmer test. That worked out fine, too, except for the noise not going away completely (see above) Now I hope I haven't got myself or anyone else into serious trouble and someone out there is gonna be able to help me with some more advice?!? Every hint is appreciated very much and Kim, Matthias: If you happen to be interested in a copy of my new CD, just send me your home addresses offlist and I'll pay back some of your priceless assistance with a couple of loopy grooves! Best wishes Philipp "zurrigo" Zuercher Elfenauweg 2 CH-3006 Bern Phone: +41 (0)31 332 46 44 Mobile: +41 (0)78 623 13 13 http://www.mem.li --Apple-Mail-3-58608157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hello from = Switzerland

A while ago I posted my question about that EDP = "thump" noise. I tried to fix it the way it said in the archive: Going = through that factory test with an open unit and reducing the noise to a = minimum level (which still was considerable) with the trimpot (turning = from ten past to quarter past approximately).

The good news = is: I didn't fry myself.
The bad news = is: The noise hasn't gone, it's still there when I am pushing any button = except UNDO or NEXTLOOP.

Any ideas what I could have got wrong?

I must = confess that I had to modify the test procedure for it didn't work out = the way it was written in the archive article (has that article been = written for loop3 or loop4 bytheway?):
To get into the trimmer test, = Start the unit while holding the Parameter=A0and Record buttons = down.

I did it with the Parameter and Overdub buttons, = because there was no startup screen with Parameter and Record, but only = 88888888

Keep them held while the startup screen goes = by,=A0until the display shows all t's.
It said something different, = like 36t - I don't remember exactly (yeah, I know, I have been a bad boy = again, messing around with stuff I am not really into...)

Then let = go. Should say 7F.=A0

It did that allright, so I thought everithing was = fine

Press=A0parameter so the "Keys" LED is lit, then = press Insert to start the trimmer=A0test.

That worked = out fine, too, except for the noise not going away completely (see = above)

Now I hope I haven't got myself or anyone else into = serious trouble and someone out there is gonna be able to help me with = some more advice?!?

Every hint is appreciated very much and

Kim, = Matthias: If you happen to be interested in a copy of my new CD, just = send me your home addresses offlist and I'll pay back some of your = priceless assistance with a couple of loopy grooves!

Best = wishes


Philipp = "zurrigo" Zuercher
Elfenauweg 2
CH-3006 Bern

Phone: +41 (0)31 332 46 44
Mobile: +41 (0)78 623 13 13


= --Apple-Mail-3-58608157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 19:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D26B13BED3; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vst/zmZWLylXDLMD92dUdO/kUzdbWdunWV54JYI5h79cdWFw5C8fTrz9NrBeAYjJuIs1SUrnjFZeDjhYtg+4mhjSx79g/FD7r3h1seIQ+4ITOUUSC/J6wGX+dGaVpGinsuF7FQrE79zU290l+g/MP01vSZi4xq6Sab30SyzyU10= ; Message-ID: <20060208193229.91055.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Free or cheap OSX MIDI sequencer for basic playback? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <56A99758-8C56-40A5-9334-14737941B9C4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but it's not sophistacated enough to be able to isolate and loop a bar of the sequence like I need to.. .also I don't think I can even control the tempo --- Per Boysen wrote: > > On 8 feb 2006, at 00.04, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I just wanted to loop some .mid files to listen to > > while at work (they're examples in a class I'm > taking > > on polyrhythms) and all I need is something that > let's > > me select a few bars and have them loop. I'm in > os > > 10.4. > > > The bundled Quicktime player can play MIDI files. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From billjackson@access.wave.ca Wed Feb 8 19:36:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 92.Red-81-44-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net (92.Red-81-44-45.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.44.45.92]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B7113BECD; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sj-besreco226 (sj-besreco322.sjc.ebay.com [200.71.110.67]) by mx38.sjc.ebay.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j4VJQsZg623960 for <-delight@loopers-delight.com>; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:33:55 -0800 Message-ID: <627498918.0524344441896.JavaMail.ebayapp@sj-besreco161> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:33:55 -0800 From: "Gilbert Galvan" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: -delight@loopers-delight.com, 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, elight@loopers-delight.com, ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, ht@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, st@loopers-delight.com, t@loopers-delight.com, uest@loopers-delight.com Subject: 3.25%% approvedd rattee Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------RecordSys.0771708.xerxes.americana" X-eBay-MailTracker: 34798.655.8.30699 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------RecordSys.0771708.xerxes.americana Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tiz92oHxhEiIZ5lO5EY/NfrEAhCtghhLUiZeYjbHQU1jqmBiRwFxPFRhCQSOTglDvFErV/o7UhdRd+M5RyoSZHeEecZ3nvJ5Q1DXGtf3QI+7s9xSQ/ij53SuQMoyL0Oyc4HuClxv8cdmGL4VSEGgEehg+XJN1sQOusn8y3HQdV4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602081139t3c8f42b9i93f9aed28d22eb24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:39:14 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:39:15 +0000 (UTC) While we're on the subject of EHX loopers, my 16s re-issue heads off on its journey across The Big Pond back to NYC early next week, to have its count-in/no-count-in upgrade done. I shall report back when it returns. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 19:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B663BEF0; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:46:35 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602081139t3c8f42b9i93f9aed28d22eb24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602081139t3c8f42b9i93f9aed28d22eb24@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, David Morton wrote: > While we're on the subject of EHX loopers, my 16s re-issue heads off > on its journey across The Big Pond back to NYC early next week, to > have its count-in/no-count-in upgrade done. > > I shall report back when it returns. Sent mine off over christmas, had it back about two weeks later. Works much better for me now in terms of usable for performance - I was about to sell it, and now I'm hanging on to it again. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From criscione@fadmail.com Wed Feb 8 19:50:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 85-124-86-82.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (85-124-86-82.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at [85.124.86.82]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 481333BEAB; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fitzgeraldworse (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gateway61.msn.com (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j3VJ0qSY242735; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: <566938888170583.7045089@msn.com> X-Blogger-ID: ernestine X-Kernel: 5 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:48:47 -0800 From: "Juanita Merrill" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: -delight@loopers-delight.com, 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, elight@loopers-delight.com, ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, ht@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, st@loopers-delight.com, t@loopers-delight.com, uest@loopers-delight.com Subject: Excellent mortagee ratees Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------RecordSys.3917623.colloquia.gasket" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------RecordSys.3917623.colloquia.gasket Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/12 NYC Performance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:02:01 +0000 (UTC) cool! I will try to make it out! On 2/8/06, Louis Rossi wrote: > Todd Merrell + Lou Rossi + Casey Block > > Sunday: February, 12 2006 > ABC No Rio > 156 Rivington Street (between Clinton & Suffolk), > New York, NY 10002 Tel: 212.254.3697 > www.abcnorio.org > Cost: $3.00 > > Hear the ensemble that one listener called, "The highlight of the evening= " > at Issue Project Room's 'Retro Relay' last November. Todd Merrell capture= s > electricity in the air and transforms it into an immersive, otherworldly, > musical soundscape. Lou Rossi and Casey Block cast their spells and weld > Todd's work onto a field far richer than anyone could have imagined alone= ... > Don't miss it. > > Todd Merrell: shortwave radio & electronics > http://www.myspace.com/toddmerrell > > Lou Rossi: touch guitar textures & loops > http://myspace.com/lourossi > > Casey Block: keyboards & electronics > www.eatrecords.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 20:06:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7321D3BEDE; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TtOMY/3GHDsy5O56GSEeYIRCp+xaqUHSrcd0o1spc7dX/mg3ZybGAgeFve7snKYDHy5qnk5ONHgBj0fWp2yx+9n3i3cwW26NQRBGdyvZMoBaGBKxIx5hQVjlx8KmyKq7fEnJHTs8WiSw4L/q/rUJRDq4K2QeLs0U2Xe6kRU8YLY= ; Message-ID: <20060208200615.21547.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:06:15 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060208190515.4CBC63BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:06:24 +0000 (UTC) I concur with Mark here. The Emu command station is pretty fly for what you're trying to do. I've been using mine for about 3 or 4 years (always loved Emu stuff...) and it's a champ. Make sure you are buying from someone with reputable feedback... I've been burned once or twice. I'm using a Command Station with XL7, World, Proteus, and Composer ROM's. One box, simple wiring. The pads on it are pretty workable too. Stephen > > Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks > for the recommendation. As you said, the only > problem is that it Command Stations no longer in > production and I would be reluctant to buy them > used. Why? I get the majority of my gear used, and I sell stuff on ebay all the time (yes, it's a bad habit) and as long as you make sure your seller has very good ratings I've found ebay to be pretty samn safe. E-MU stuff is pretty much battle ready solid state metal incased gear. I woudn't be too worried. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 20:06:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BD083BEF0; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <36113.207.67.146.227.1139429184.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:06:24 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: 2/12 NYC Performance From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Wish I could be there! Deepest greetings from Athens, Greece! Costas Andreou ||bass||loops||electronics|| http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, February 8, 2006 8:20 pm, Louis Rossi said: > Todd Merrell + Lou Rossi + Casey Block > > Sunday: February, 12 2006 > ABC No Rio > 156 Rivington Street (between Clinton & Suffolk), > New York, NY 10002 Tel: 212.254.3697 > www.abcnorio.org > Cost: $3.00 > > Hear the ensemble that one listener called, "The highlight of the evening" > at Issue Project Room's 'Retro Relay' last November. Todd Merrell captures > electricity in the air and transforms it into an immersive, otherworldly, > musical soundscape. Lou Rossi and Casey Block cast their spells and weld > Todd's work onto a field far richer than anyone could have imagined > alone... > Don't miss it. > > Todd Merrell: shortwave radio & electronics > http://www.myspace.com/toddmerrell > > Lou Rossi: touch guitar textures & loops > http://myspace.com/lourossi > > Casey Block: keyboards & electronics > www.eatrecords.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 20:15:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96FB23BEF6; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KzzNJXcQDGLbDLgUvNXXR0a9P4Q2McLp89xdu1bdFIglofkRmBoJ9xzrWLthnn/4exdT/L4pQnCEGZFJNsWMwWI3bgKei1VpeGYJTx8Bda/MXnzeGj9DoW0ZSD4DFjYAzTuu6OrwLWrW+hq/b7ENHpO1TE/n7+VNr3L2Dwgi6NM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:14:59 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 for EDP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:15:00 +0000 (UTC) I am thinking about ditching my standard Gibson Echoplex Footcontroller for the FCB1010? How does it respond when setup properly with the echoplex? I am considering using this controller to get 10 buttons as oppose to 7 so I can access thing like reverse and half speed without any parameter changes. So anyone using the FCB1010 with the EDP how does it respond, is it ever buggy and also how is the expression pedal for feedback? Lastly anyone found a use for both?=20 Maybe ix or output volume or smething. -Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 20:28:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67CCD3BF01; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ae01c62cee$34acb450$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:28:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Rale asked: " Rick, in my previous posting I forgot to ask if you could please clarify for me whether 'MIDI Solutions Active MIDI Thru Box' would work if I wanted to use Alesis SR-16 as my master MIDI clock for Boss RC-50 looper, wh! ile having at the same time Alesis SR-16 connected to another sound module or a PC based sampler, functioning as a trigger/sequencer. I know that this probably falls into the domain of MIDI basics, but I was not sure if you thought of the MIDI thru box in the context of a setup where a different MIDI device would be sending master MIDI clock information. " I don't know the answer to this question, I'm sorry. I suspect not, however, but you'll need to get advise from someone with more working knowledge of midi than me. When I want both my FCB 1010 pedals and my wind synthesizer to drive my Repeater with a MIDI merge box, it would not work but that may be down to the Repeater's midi ineptitude. After reveiwing all the solutions, I'd say your best bet is the Electribe (if you like the sounds) or the EMU command station paradigm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 21:44:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C41B43BED6; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UlXpIihVlecjAOIwH7iSZd3RfqUcfhSGidw3WPLdh50O0Qo3SfSw0u4WrvNul38Xb6FbFUC7txEY/uF9mz/MIEBZh+NunH7FEhXfbnGVct9ngW27NBFZFHO2JSpKXHdj4qkMuWPFX+ykQXD6ON6++41JvmidUC5DLcrgEk9T0G0= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602081344p13c1349fg316bf5ca35921943@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:44:21 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602081139t3c8f42b9i93f9aed28d22eb24@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <226k2.A.oDG.4Ym6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Oh that's reassuring, I hadn't realised anyone had been through the process already. I delayed sending mine back until I could arrange for a friend to take it over with him, because I didn't fancy the expense & paperwork of two transatlantic journeys and trips through customs (EHX having rejected my pleas to them to authorise someone in Europe to carry out the mod). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 21:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258D73BECF; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5919FC90-055E-4AF6-B083-71A06E9886FB@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB1010 for EDP? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:48:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0n5jgC.A.mVG.dcm6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:48:14 +0000 (UTC) On 8 feb 2006, at 21.14, mark t wrote: > I am thinking about ditching my standard Gibson Echoplex > Footcontroller for the FCB1010? How does it respond when setup > properly with the echoplex? It does respond well. > is it ever buggy Not "buggy" but a bit time consuming to set up. But you only have to set it up once. > and also how is the > expression pedal for feedback? Fine. Just like any feedback pedal. You may need to calibrate it once a year, though. > Lastly anyone found a use for both? > Maybe ix or output volume or smething. I typically use one expression pedal for EDP feedback and the other for another looping device. You can set the expression pedals to target different functions in different FCB banks - so it can do quite a lot. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 21:57:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 996233BEDE; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Eon-Dm: dm20 X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5D6mlTRM0IlAIAAAAB,2d798eacee6e0c27347a9c89adc1b06d Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Juan Urquart's music Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [201.217.175.218] Message-Id: <20060208135739.23A02266@dm20.mta.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the review!

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 22:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1B733BEDE; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c62cfb$ae919df0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060208200615.21547.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:50:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:04:52 +0000 (UTC) > I concur with Mark here. The Emu command station is pretty fly for > what you're trying to do. Ah curses! Just when I thought I has most of the stuff I wanted/needed! I have a Launch Pad, but that's not nearly as cool as the CS looks. Time to haunt EBay once again. I have an SR16 and I wondered if anybody knows the answer to this. I haven't hooked it up to try this, but it occurs to me that I may be able to put the SR16 into record mode, and play MIDI drum tracks from the PC to the SR and have them recorded as sequences. Has anybody tried/done this? And if so, how? I have not gotten into the SR manual further than turn it on and play with some presets. The bane of having too many toys and not enough time to really figure them out. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations > I concur with Mark here. The Emu command station is pretty fly for > what you're trying to do. > I've been using mine for about 3 or 4 years (always loved Emu stuff...) > and it's a champ. Make > sure you are buying from someone with reputable feedback... I've been > burned once or twice. > > I'm using a Command Station with XL7, World, Proteus, and Composer > ROM's. One box, simple > wiring. The pads on it are pretty workable too. > > Stephen > > > > >> > Rafko M wrote: Mark: thanks >> for the recommendation. As you said, the only >> problem is that it Command Stations no longer in >> production and I would be reluctant to buy them >> used. > > Why? I get the majority of my gear used, and I sell > stuff on ebay all the time (yes, it's a bad habit) and > as long as you make sure your seller has very good > ratings I've found ebay to be pretty samn safe. E-MU > stuff is pretty much battle ready solid state metal > incased gear. I woudn't be too worried. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 8 22:05:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF11E3BEF3; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <005d01c62cc5$220fd440$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005d01c62cc5$220fd440$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <887c4fa00cd246afc7f15aed17916468@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:04:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:05:02 +0000 (UTC) I prefer the akai mpc range. Great for jamming with. they are simply one of the most fun bits of musical hardware I know. I own the ion electronic drum kit which has a re- badged sr-16 but I don't like the pads on it at all, don't know if they are the same as the alesis sr-16 or slightly different but I find that you have to hit them dead centre for consistent response which can be a bit tricky. Try before you buy although at $30 second hand it doesn't really matter. geoff On 8 Feb 2006, at 15:34, loop.pool wrote: > RALE asked: > "Rick: thanks a lot for suggesting this elaborate setup. Would you > mind confirming for me whether Alesis SR-16 allows for "on the fly" > sequencing, i.e. sequence recording and playback without performance > flow being interrupted. " > > Yes, I believe it does. That's why I recommended it in the first > place. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 01:09:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 697CE3BECA; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y9hDKQIeWjrH8/CXfw03j93YpWVH2BRCSSl5VGhtvzYQE+zU+55t6DCDJPK4miFfOVuGZiESy9CPpNYUfuTo20HYzlibTC0By1qRlZnZbjYTzWZ5wOFTb+GWikzPfHVaxS6WAc1Zgd5fzb4a6kuSnZ9ysCR/elUjJI2oMzgzHHg= ; Message-ID: <20060209010908.53630.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060207005128.09130820@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:09:09 +0000 (UTC) http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/eh.php --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:44 PM 2/6/2006, John Tidwell wrote: > >Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix > looper > >at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting > >features. > > Yes, I got a good demo. I guess Bill missed it, but > if you asked the booth > people they had a demo guy in their sound-proof room > with the EH 2880 Super > Multi-Track Looper set up. I meant to post about it > sooner, and better do > it quick before I forget the details totally... > > Please keep in mind I only saw a demo at NAMM, where > it is easy to miss > things. I didn't get to try it myself. > > > Impressions of the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super > Multi-Track Looper > > * 4 track looper. Each track is mono, but there is a > way to link 2 together > for stereo. Plus there is a stereo mix down track. > > * stereo in and out > > * loop recording can be tapped, i.e., tap to start > record and tap again to end. > > * loop time can also be set quantized to a > predetermined tempo, with a > metronome click. > > * memory is a compact flash card. the one it ships > with gives 4 minutes > loop time. > > * There is only one loop. No A/B loops, > verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc. > I asked how one might deal with having a verse loop > and a chorus loop, and > he suggested quickly pulling out the CF card and > putting in another! Not > much point in a large amount of loop time if all you > can do is make a big > long loop. If you put in a bigger CF card you just > get a longer single loop. > > * The card saves the loop on power down. however, > again there is only one > loop on the card. You can't have more than one loop > saved and recall them > separately. Each loop would need its own card. > > * There is a slider for each track to control volume > for the mix. > > * The same slider controls feedback. Feedback is > controlled during overdub > only. Since the same slider is used for mixing > levels and feedback, it is a > little weird if you go in and out of overdub. The > slider position sets > volume in one state and feedback in the other. > > * there is a stereo pan control for each track, to > place it in the stereo > field. > > * There is a mix down function, so you can bounce > your tracks to the stereo > mix-down track and free them up again for more > loops. > > * it has midi sync in and out > > * USB port, presumably for uploading and downloading > files to a computer. > This was only pointed out, not demonstrated. > > * There is a tempo slider. This sets the click tempo > prior to recording > loops. If a loop is playing, the tempo changes. As I > recall, the tempo > change is like tape speed change, so the pitch > changes as well. > > * There is a reverse function. As I recall it, all > the tracks reverse > together, but I might be wrong. > > * there is a octave button, which is half-speed as I > recall > > * there is a punch-in button, although I don't > remember if this was their > name for overdub or if it was a replace function. I > don't remember any demo > of a replace function, so this may be the overdub. > > * There is a track-select button that scrolls > through the tracks to select > the one you are controlling. > > * there is a proprietary external footswitch. It > does not have any extra > functions, just offers 6 footswitches for some of > the functions using > finger buttons on the box. > > * I realize I didn't ask if it can go direct from > record to overdub, sorry > I don't know. I don't recall him demonstrating it > however. > > * list price is $698 > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 01:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CF8B3BECF; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:17:34 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Questions about EHX Looper In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602081344p13c1349fg316bf5ca35921943@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> <20060207044435.86367.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602081139t3c8f42b9i93f9aed28d22eb24@mail.gmail.com> <353e2ed80602081344p13c1349fg316bf5ca35921943@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <-U6VEC.A.32D.icp6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:13:07 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, David Morton wrote: > Oh that's reassuring, I hadn't realised anyone had been through the > process already. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 03:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5999B3BEC7; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 03:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 03:12:27 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Message-ID: <20060209081227.GA2783@localhost.localdomain> References: <00b701c62c5f$12115980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00b701c62c5f$12115980$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.90 () [Tag at 15.00] DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06,J_CHICKENPOX_44,PORN_RP_SUCK X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 03:13:30 +0000 (UTC) This is almost the "exact" idea I am piecing together now. Only difference is I own an older Roland MBD-1(bass/drum) module instead of an Alesis. The one with Marcus Miller and some other famous jazz types. The little SR-16 seems to always have a place even after all this time. I should check out the DM5 to see how that compares though to my Roland though. On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 07:23:46PM -0800, loop.pool wrote: > 1) Buy yourself a new ($150) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Drums/Percussion/Electronic/Drum/Machines?sku=705531 > > or used ($30 - $75 or a buy it now model in excellent condition for $100) > http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=alesis+sr+16&category0= > > ALESIS SR-16 DRUM MACHINE > This drum machine is a really good midi controller with touch sensitive > pads. > > * note, these have been out since 1989 unbelievably and there are a > million of them out there, many of them are thrashed with overuse. > I'd recommend getting the Buy It Now model or the brand new Model (with a > warranty) > > It's sounds, unfortunately suck donkeys (pardon my Amaraic) > > > Soooooo, couple it with the purchase of: > > 2) a used ($170 or $245 buy it now price) (though none on Ebay > currently used) > http://www.prepal.com/data/Alesis.htm > ALESIS DR 4 oone rack space DRUM MODULE with hundreds of sounds > > 3) or a used ($245 by it now) > http://instruments.search.ebay.com/ALESIS-DM-5_Musical-Instruments_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsacatZ619 > > or a brand new ($349 with a set of five external triggers thrown in for > free -VERY NICE for progamming your drum machine externally) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Drums/Percussion/Electronic/Drum/Machines?sku=705523 > > ALESIS DR 5 (18 bit drum module-----------the sounds are great in this > box........everything from real to processed to electronic drum machine > to electronic drums to synthesizer drums to percussion) > > 4) Control both with an inexpensive ONE IN/TWO OUT MIDI THRU box ($28.79 > new) > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Recording/Computer/Hardware?sku=702507X > > > If you want to get really hi tech about it, you could purchase a TRIGGER > FINGER (midi finger styled controller for $199) > to control the DM 4 or DM 5 and you'd have control over volume, panning, > cutoff frequency, resonance, etc. of the sounds). > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Keyboards/Midi/MIDI/Controllers?sku=703614 > > You could also go with just the Trigger Finger instead of the SR 16 but > you'd lose the sequencing abilities. > > Good luck. > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 03:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A9E3BECF; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 03:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CEgKljaSxm4X8YpjoEqUjDLnuWK6+wJLCyIxNDEiK6UfXh4Ei0BhZ0IDHgO7XWpXV1Krkvcow45U2QWsRjEnahcQR0zP0oeSgUd9ObThuasO0I8dvhsrOJ1nSzDbGV2bfXFIl2b9mq8eUvTqSmhmPmtjPhVi84ZoN63unICXD+8= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602081916v2cf1c0b8we48e0d3376576873@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:16:02 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602012122n192387fdl9d013bb811c07f4e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 03:16:04 +0000 (UTC) extreme NY presents: open loop http://loopNY.com 3PM to 8PM February 11, 2006 Grand Central Bar 659 Grand St, Brooklyn Live electronic looping, mixed live, of looped live and electronic instruments with live, electronic players playing live and looped live and electronic instruments, mixed. Long live (that's "live" as in "live music" live not "live" as in "live or die" live) loops last longer than most long looping shows, lasting longer than four long loopy hours of looping length. Musicians: please bring live electronic or electric or live looper instruments. Live electric and electronic instruments and voices will be mixed and looped and mixed. There will be microphones. There will be a 24-track mixing digital mixing board and the live loop live mix will be recorded mixed live direct to 24-bit digital, live in 125 minute continuous chunks. Board arrives 2:30, musicians load-in at 3, loop starts about 3:30. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 04:12:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FDF13BEB9; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 04:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060208201032.01b505a0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:12:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations In-Reply-To: <20060208051846.67063.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060208040213.11910.qmail@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060208051846.67063.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 04:12:25 +0000 (UTC) At 09:18 PM 2/7/2006, Rale wrote: >Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are >currently in production and that would be suitable for live looping >as I described it earlier? Couldn't you just use a cheap drum machine to generate the beats and then feed them into your favourite looper? Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 04:14:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55F2E3BECA; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 04:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,99,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2101109830:sNHT15632692" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060208201032.01b505a0@TheNettles.com> References: <20060208040213.11910.qmail@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060208051846.67063.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060208201032.01b505a0@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <390957EB-96A9-478B-B2E5-27DB70F594F8@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:14:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 04:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Have you looked at MachineDrum? I think it has many of the qualities you are looking for, and is hella cool besides. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Kevin wrote: > At 09:18 PM 2/7/2006, Rale wrote: >> Any other standalone samplers/sequencers or drum machines that are >> currently in production and that would be suitable for live >> looping as I described it earlier? > > Couldn't you just use a cheap drum machine to generate the beats > and then feed them into your favourite looper? > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 07:21:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB3B3BEC7; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iIYMkG91Zc5Se1rQP3oBebVOLp5y1l8N6kxY+K3/j3oTHjJAtmOz09klbhuzm1D6mpi9E6cOVoEBxz1RjPn/XbXw6k73um0v/ecN6d5j5PH97QSFw3dEZL7OylLVvvrNKTa83jvQm3/6fy8E+/bBuYL/kWVxlA3yfDZyKugGty4= ; Message-ID: <20060209072156.28147.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <887c4fa00cd246afc7f15aed17916468@bluecocoa.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <82lU0C.A.pJE.W2u6DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:21:58 +0000 (UTC) absolutely ill second that!i wish they were more midi controllable like jumping from sequence mode to track mute, next sequence etc. Luis --- geoff smith wrote: > I prefer the akai mpc range. Great for jamming with. > they are simply one of the most fun bits of musical > hardware I know. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 10:15:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65273BEC1; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1139480097!31255913!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8DE5@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:14:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C62D61.A846AEC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:15:02 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62D61.A846AEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>I concur with Mark here. The Emu command station is pretty fly for = what you're trying to do. I've been using mine for about 3 or 4 years = (always loved Emu stuff...) and it's a champ. Make sure you are buying from = someone with reputable feedback... I've been burned once or twice. I'm using a Command Station with XL7, World, Proteus, and Composer = ROM's. One box, simple wiring. The pads on it are pretty workable too.<< I too am with mark & steve on this. the command station (XL7) I got = this week, from a reputable ebay emu specialist, surprised the heck out of = me by being more solid & feature-packed, especially in the live-edit/looping = area of functionality, than I had any right to expect. the pads are pretty = good too. & of course, sonically the emu proteus family is up there with the best.=20 being circumspect about 2nd hand stuff is fair enough, especially if = you have had problems in the past, but the flip-side is that you can & will = miss out on some of the esoteric hardware that never made it past the mass-production profiteering police. I don't know how long the command stations were in production for- maybe three years?, but I always = wanted one (=A31000 new, they were) & began lusting again after reading a few = online reviews. I have a lot of emu stuff anyway. this one was about 1/3 of = what they were new, & bar a little gig-rash, you'd never know it was used. but then again, there's always the little korg. the electribe sampling = unit (ES-1) would surely suit your purposes. you can easily put your own = noises into it's non-volatile storage, you can record patterns realtime, grid = or step. there are some rudimentary effects. the audio quality is high. = the pads are.... well..... you could always get a roland spd-8 or something = to go with it.... I love mine so much I bought another one. ymmv. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62D61.A846AEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations

>>I concur with Mark here.  The Emu = command station is pretty fly for what you're trying to do. I've been = using mine for about 3 or 4 years (always loved Emu stuff...) and it's = a champ.  Make sure you are buying from someone with reputable = feedback... I've been burned once or twice.

I'm using a Command Station with XL7, World, Proteus, = and Composer ROM's.  One box, simple wiring.  The pads on it = are pretty workable too.<<

I too am with mark & steve on this. the command = station (XL7) I got this week, from a reputable ebay emu specialist, = surprised the heck out of me by being more solid & feature-packed, = especially in the live-edit/looping area of functionality, than I had = any right to expect. the pads are pretty good too. & of course, = sonically the emu proteus family is up there with the best.

being circumspect about 2nd hand stuff is fair = enough, especially if you have had problems in the past, but the = flip-side is that you can & will miss out on some of the esoteric = hardware that never made it past the mass-production profiteering = police. I don't know how long the command stations were in production = for- maybe three years?, but I always wanted one (=A31000 new, they = were) & began lusting again after reading a few online reviews. I = have a lot of emu stuff anyway. this one was about 1/3 of what they = were new, & bar a little gig-rash, you'd never know it was = used.

but then again, there's always the little korg. the = electribe sampling unit (ES-1) would surely suit your purposes. you can = easily put your own noises into it's non-volatile storage, you can = record patterns realtime, grid or step. there are some rudimentary = effects. the audio quality is high. the pads are.... well..... you = could always get a roland spd-8 or something to go with it.... I love = mine so much I bought another one.

ymmv.

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C62D61.A846AEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 11:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6CD33BED3; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mojb8qam0xeXIx7swx30yGGLHNf38ufE0laDM+YXlXD+7vqXmnZfih/UJnvaKbIaqL/vcC+uzuQnyDhIlIEDyzHzkHyo/2IlOsyMAtt35/gcULKq+GwcqB/D5HwkGoJU3Ie74tddsAAxqBEoz0byykNZXnw/r4ng6A81BDt7rn0= ; Message-ID: <20060209111131.70355.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 03:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: RE: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8DE5@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1829176773-1139483491=:69766" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:11:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-1829176773-1139483491=:69766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Duncan, Korg ES-1 would be one of my top choices, being a sampler, but reading about ESX-1, I assumed that ES-1 had some serious limitations ,at least when it comes to recording velocity. I found that its pads don't generate velocity sensitive information and that even if you connected an external MIDI trigger that has drum sensitive pads, like Korg PadKontrol, ESX-1 would respond to it, but would not be able to record velocity information. T ES-1 does have accent feature, but its editing would probably not be suitable for live performace and this feature has other limitations -- accent applied to all beats, etc.:. Does ES-1 have the same limitations? Also, I wasn't sure about its lower sampling rate (32KHz). . goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>I concur with Mark here. The Emu command station is pretty fly for what you're trying to do. I've been using mine for about 3 or 4 years (always loved Emu stuff...) and it's a champ. Make sure you are buying from someone with reputable feedback... I've been burned once or twice. I'm using a Command Station with XL7, World, Proteus, and Composer ROM's. One box, simple wiring. The pads on it are pretty workable too.<< I too am with mark & steve on this. the command station (XL7) I got this week, from a reputable ebay emu specialist, surprised the heck out of me by being more solid & feature-packed, especially in the live-edit/looping area of functionality, than I had any right to expect. the pads are pretty good too. & of course, sonically the emu proteus family is up there with the best. being circumspect about 2nd hand stuff is fair enough, especially if you have had problems in the past, but the flip-side is that you can & will miss out on some of the esoteric hardware that never made it past the mass-production profiteering police. I don't know how long the command stations were in production for- maybe three years?, but I always wanted one (£1000 new, they were) & began lusting again after reading a few online reviews. I have a lot of emu stuff anyway. this one was about 1/3 of what they were new, & bar a little gig-rash, you'd never know it was used. but then again, there's always the little korg. the electribe sampling unit (ES-1) would surely suit your purposes. you can easily put your own noises into it's non-volatile storage, you can record patterns realtime, grid or step. there are some rudimentary effects. the audio quality is high. the pads are.... well..... you could always get a roland spd-8 or something to go with it.... I love mine so much I bought another one. ymmv. duncan. --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1829176773-1139483491=:69766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks Duncan,
 
Korg ES-1 would be one of my top choices, being a sampler, but reading about ESX-1, I assumed that ES-1 had some serious limitations ,at least when it comes to recording velocity.  I found that its pads don't generate velocity sensitive information and that even if you connected an external MIDI trigger that has drum sensitive pads, like Korg PadKontrol, ESX-1 would respond to it, but would not be able to record velocity information. T
 
ES-1 does have accent feature, but its editing would probably not be suitable for live performace and this feature has other limitations -- accent applied to all beats, etc.:. Does ES-1 have the same limitations?
 
Also, I wasn't sure about its lower sampling rate (32KHz). .


goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
>>I concur with Mark here.  The Emu command station is pretty fly for what you're trying to do. I've been using mine for about 3 or 4 years (always loved Emu stuff...) and it's a champ.  Make sure you are buying from someone with reputable feedback... I've been burned once or twice.
I'm using a Command Station with XL7, World, Proteus, and Composer ROM's.  One box, simple wiring.  The pads on it are pretty workable too.<<
I too am with mark & steve on this. the command station (XL7) I got this week, from a reputable ebay emu specialist, surprised the heck out of me by being more solid & feature-packed, especially in the live-edit/looping area of functionality, than I had any right to expect. the pads are pretty good too. & of course, sonically the emu proteus family is up there with the best.
being circumspect about 2nd hand stuff is fair enough, especially if you have had problems in the past, but the flip-side is that you can & will miss out on some of the esoteric hardware that never made it past the mass-production profiteering police. I don't know how long the command stations were in production for- maybe three years?, but I always wanted one (£1000 new, they were) & began lusting again after reading a few online reviews. I have a lot of emu stuff anyway. this one was about 1/3 of what they were new, & bar a little gig-rash, you'd never know it was used.
but then again, there's always the little korg. the electribe sampling unit (ES-1) would surely suit your purposes. you can easily put your own noises into it's non-volatile storage, you can record patterns realtime, grid or step. there are some rudimentary effects. the audio quality is high. the pads are.... well..... you could always get a roland spd-8 or something to go with it.... I love mine so much I bought another one.
ymmv.
duncan.

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WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 12:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4B773BECA; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZXmPbZacVWdguTqMKagJube+iuQQ6tYrovSGPAslWx9PzPJ17o3rG/iZw5ezgR3pCcjloMtxFzvo0fLqcfYsWKyoIvujkyolZGcrTNod2dhWtr7yla17k4R1Opu2ym/WqbWMpxjIZTvDJtgpd/aDrT74WX5pb7tDWXDIrm24KqM= ; Message-ID: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 04:05:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-813293802-1139486752=:66821" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:05:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-813293802-1139486752=:66821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi folks, Finally, thanks to those who gave me ideas regarding the lap steel / electric fretless configuration. I've found a lap steel maker here in Buenos Aires :-) (he also believes he is the only one). I've been in his studio and became more familiar with it. I was blown away. I think i will buy one as soon as i can and sure will be looping the hell out of it. So, i remembered this link that many of you maybe will like: http://www.wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=/newsounds/newsounds2073.ra. There's a piece by Frisell and Leisz feauturing lots of looping anndd PLEASE.. listen the Michael Manring piece that follows. Really.. amazing! In the Airport Tunning (the story is told there). I believe he's the bass player in The Funky Avocado with Michael Hedges, not sure. That was all. Very best, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-813293802-1139486752=:66821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi folks,
 
Finally, thanks to those who gave me ideas regarding the lap steel / electric fretless configuration.
I've found a lap steel maker here in Buenos Aires :-) (he also believes he is the only one). I've been in his studio and became more familiar with it. I was blown away. I think i will buy one as soon as i can and sure will be looping the hell out of it.
 
So, i remembered this link that many of you maybe will like: http://www.wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=/newsounds/newsounds2073.ra. There's a piece by Frisell and Leisz feauturing lots of looping anndd PLEASE.. listen the Michael Manring piece that follows. Really.. amazing! In the Airport Tunning (the story is told there).
I believe he's the bass player in The Funky Avocado with Michael Hedges, not sure.
 
That was all.
 
Very best,


Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

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Mail. --0-813293802-1139486752=:66821-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 13:20:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A523BEB2; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ePhTxnWYSk3zWHmD/syBX/KQ5HyO097lYJLQMVM2q/doRFbJh68LtiZDorB2jAscD+8W5p5Qc3OptkBrnkXgEm+iTG24r6OKsPql/30wWV45JuoFnCuKyM51151/j5vDEyfHAyYnfUc3KE0aJQv4D7ve9JIpcSCiTZsCPazptLs= ; Message-ID: <20060209132058.9107.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:20:59 +0000 (UTC) vale Ariel q bueno q encontraste algo! fender sigue ofreciendo la Telecaster con el G. Parsons B-bender: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0118342 desafortunadamente no hay foto pero quizás la puedas probar u ordenar en Buenos Aires?... saludos Luis --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Hi folks, > > Finally, thanks to those who gave me ideas > regarding the lap steel / electric fretless > configuration. > I've found a lap steel maker here in Buenos Aires > :-) (he also believes he is the only one). I've been > in his studio and became more familiar with it. I > was blown away. I think i will buy one as soon as i > can and sure will be looping the hell out of it. > > So, i remembered this link that many of you maybe > will like: > http://www.wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=/newsounds/newsounds2073.ra. > There's a piece by Frisell and Leisz feauturing lots > of looping anndd PLEASE.. listen the Michael Manring > piece that follows. Really.. amazing! In the Airport > Tunning (the story is told there). > I believe he's the bass player in The Funky > Avocado with Michael Hedges, not sure. > > That was all. > > Very best, > > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 14:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB5133BEB0; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:05:09 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Godin-istas Unite! X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060209140506.5E32625376F@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <962DDD.A.ZG.Vw06DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:05:09 +0000 (UTC) My first post to the list so: Hi everyone! I have been using a Godin LGXT for several years and currently the rig is: Magnetic out on separate cable > Ibanez WD-7 Wah > Vox Tonelab table top version with VC-4 floor board and Boss volume (expression) pedal. 13-Pin out > Axon AX100SB guitar to MIDI unit with internal Yamaha XG sound card. Expression pedal and hold pedal on the floor. Piezo out from rear of Axon > Yamaha FX500 guitar preamp/FX processor. Tonelab MIDI out goes to FX500 MIDI in. The three stereo outputs from the above into a Behringer RX1602 stereo line mixer - 1u rack. I want to run the FX send from the mixer to a looper, that's why I'm here. Just trying to decide between a cheap stopgap (Boss RC20) and going the whole hog (EDP). I have looped with regular delay pedals in the past, and even with a modified WEM Copycat tape delay, but it all felt like just touching the edge of what could be done. My Second guitar, by the way, is an old Roland G707 - the one with the bar - with the original electronics replaced by a Roland GK2 internal kit and a Sustainiac Stealth Plus. Nik ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 14:13:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080C03BECF; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OjqGHgBET8G2vZF+cdvBzh7QhIpRgMdhFyRhYoESwGVtEvG6I4EZKepUn7o6OBeTfQpcVD45o6i4g2O+v8ivTbUoDx5ZbVgTlP35mr05bmEEEHdy2IvE7z03feMcsa2Ub+PSCY/35hkjQi9SQYkL5ok/eH/PZTK52lpKtjGwCag= ; Message-ID: <20060209141354.18985.qmail@web53912.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian O'Connell Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060206194334.04d43028@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Howdy all I have a more basic question about the RC50: the MIDI sync, am I correct in saying I'll now be able to sync my loops to a drum machine? No more messing about in Cakewalk trying to get a drum beat to loop in time?!!? Adrian P.S. I loop with an RC20 --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:15 PM 2/6/2006, geoff smith wrote: > >If it has an insert function and feedback control > then I would find it > >very exciting > > No insert function. Also no Replace or Substitute or > any other > Insert-related functions. > > I'm 90% sure there is no feedback control either, > but we need somebody to > try out the "fade" function to be sure. Probably the > fade is like the > RC-20XL fade, where it is just an alternate way to > end a loop with an > automatic volume fade. That's not the same as > feedback control, and not > nearly as useful. > > >however if its missing insert/feedback. > >that would be very disappointing. > > Prepare for disappointment. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 14:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5B23BED9; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kgT1uObt6YOLLO2pbHiKLYB1r7/bZnC9L6OrrhoTRRiiG0wRgFi2kD1+IVk2VGtO44pt94O398i2mekNLcbFWp4hkFvL66Jm8qcJ8UlKj1XltumVztB0NmdHwqjru5cPvRmql0/1kB1l8HYtkD5y05ecrPEygZ/g4+OXf2feJVI= ; Message-ID: <20060209143738.90833.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: Adrian O'Connell Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060209141354.18985.qmail@web53912.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Apologies! I have just read the blurb on the Roland UK site.. Yes, I have been living under a rock! --- Adrian O'Connell wrote: > Howdy all > I have a more basic question about the RC50: the > MIDI > sync, am I correct in saying I'll now be able to > sync > my loops to a drum machine? No more messing about in > Cakewalk trying to get a drum beat to loop in > time?!!? > > Adrian > P.S. I loop with an RC20 > > > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > > At 12:15 PM 2/6/2006, geoff smith wrote: > > >If it has an insert function and feedback control > > then I would find it > > >very exciting > > > > No insert function. Also no Replace or Substitute > or > > any other > > Insert-related functions. > > > > I'm 90% sure there is no feedback control either, > > but we need somebody to > > try out the "fade" function to be sure. Probably > the > > fade is like the > > RC-20XL fade, where it is just an alternate way to > > end a loop with an > > automatic volume fade. That's not the same as > > feedback control, and not > > nearly as useful. > > > > >however if its missing insert/feedback. > > >that would be very disappointing. > > > > Prepare for disappointment. > > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 14:39:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44AEF3BEDB; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dTQk9YpPDqSJjf+M7X+Mz2875lCBVydfUCyS7gJ8KcwX61oXOzNf0XAK7385QWdQEUAgO+Dmmypi4UXw8xVNYQ3ZfeQTDQsQIb7YMRAmscI1650U7O+Io+gkqvPhv8vfMrySR6G0WsHxngOWwiTLohTMczgaJR8VRqbgSm99xhQ= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602090639r7a375e94j2d7d700040958991@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:39:51 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 In-Reply-To: <20060209143738.90833.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060209141354.18985.qmail@web53912.mail.yahoo.com> <20060209143738.90833.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:39:53 +0000 (UTC) It's a lifestyle that has merit in these perilous days. On 2/9/06, Adrian O'Connell wrote: > Apologies! > I have just read the blurb on the Roland UK site.. > > Yes, I have been living under a rock! > > > > --- Adrian O'Connell wrote: > > > Howdy all > > I have a more basic question about the RC50: the > > MIDI > > sync, am I correct in saying I'll now be able to > > sync > > my loops to a drum machine? No more messing about in > > Cakewalk trying to get a drum beat to loop in > > time?!!? > > > > Adrian > > P.S. I loop with an RC20 > > > > > > > > --- Kim Flint wrote: > > > > > At 12:15 PM 2/6/2006, geoff smith wrote: > > > >If it has an insert function and feedback control > > > then I would find it > > > >very exciting > > > > > > No insert function. Also no Replace or Substitute > > or > > > any other > > > Insert-related functions. > > > > > > I'm 90% sure there is no feedback control either, > > > but we need somebody to > > > try out the "fade" function to be sure. Probably > > the > > > fade is like the > > > RC-20XL fade, where it is just an alternate way to > > > end a loop with an > > > automatic volume fade. That's not the same as > > > feedback control, and not > > > nearly as useful. > > > > > > >however if its missing insert/feedback. > > > >that would be very disappointing. > > > > > > Prepare for disappointment. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F2A3BECF; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ec9UgmPbBD4OwXgRt9gY7gwQ98it5IKuP7nCeB2XKWpVR9ci4Dg6CCK6YmpO88NbJOE5eRkLlLcFuCXCnMRjLOT48w6xPhOZl1+ATx4vw7r2rdCDrve97Mll6lujt2uca5bWAY4d+Bg7UTv1jrLzk21VUwiIKlqt1Y+/mM1HqhY= ; Message-ID: <20060209155239.39564.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 07:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-952599819-1139500359=:39530" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3wUfBD.A.V_F.IV26DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:52:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-952599819-1139500359=:39530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I wanted to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. I like Handsonic’s interface – it is most physical and instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I have seen, so when used in a performance, it would give an impression of an actual instrument being played – not that there is anything wrong with drum machine style triggers, which were my initial consideration, but I really like the physical aspect of Handsonic. Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already has an excellent soundset and that it could be used as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in addition would be a good live sequencer with all of the characteristics earlier described, one that is easily controlled during performance and a one that would let me shift in and out of recording mode without interrupting playback. Does the fact that this would be only a sequencer and not have to have sampling/sound generating/triggering features simplifies my search? Are there any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this outside of those already recommended? I would still need to figure out what MIDI interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock info to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI outs) that Rick had suggested work for this? As I said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum looping, so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think that the quantize feature would be essential for me, as well as the ability to have my drum loops synced to my guitar/bass loops. Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in trying to figure out the best way to set this up. Rale --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I wanted to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. I like Handsonic’s interface – it is most physical and instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I have seen, so when used in a performance, it would give an impression of an actual instrument being played – not that there is anything wrong with drum machine style triggers, which were my initial consideration, but I really like the physical aspect of Handsonic. Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already has an excellent soundset and that it could be used as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in addition would be a good live sequencer with all of the characteristics earlier described, one that is easily controlled during performance and a one that would let me shift in and out of recording mode without interrupting playback. Does the fact that this would be only a sequencer and not have to have sampling/sound generating/triggering features simplifies my search? Are there any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this outside of those already recommended?   
 
I would still need to figure out what MIDI interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock info to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI outs) that Rick had suggested work for this?
 
As I  said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum looping, so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think that the quantize feature would be essential for me, as well as the ability to have my drum loops synced to my guitar/bass loops.
 
Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in trying to figure out the best way to set this up.
 
Rale
 

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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-952599819-1139500359=:39530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 15:57:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0F7A3BEDA; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Rodrigo y Gabriela (was: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:57:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:57:45 +0000 (UTC) On 9 feb 2006, at 13.05, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > I've found a lap steel maker here in Buenos Aires :-) (he also > believes he is the only one). I've been in his studio and became > more familiar with it. I was blown away. I think i will buy one as > soon as i can and sure will be looping the hell out of it. Wow, that's a cool instrument! It's nice to hear that you're up for learning a new instrument. I've recently been tempted to buy a Stick, myself, but they are hard to find here in Sweden. Right now I'm sitting here watching videos of Mexican duo guitarists Rodrigo y Gabriela and I'm thinking about what cool stuff that woman could do with looping. She has learned an incredible playing technique for "percussive" backing guitar. What you hear when she starts beating the nylon stringed is a complete drum kit, bass and funky chords - all played at the same time on a Spanish type guitar. There latest album has an audio CD and a DVD-video with tutorials where she shows off those tricks in slomo. Very tempting to start learning it. I guess it can be done on a steel stringed (C&W type) acoustic as well? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:15:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D67A43BEDE; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,100,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="772758198:sNHT22937842" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela (was: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:15:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:15:37 +0000 (UTC) You should take a look at Preston Reed. Same idea, steel stringed acoustic. He has a Homespun lesson tape, too. http://www.prestonreed.com/ ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 9 feb 2006, at 13.05, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > >> I've found a lap steel maker here in Buenos Aires :-) (he also >> believes he is the only one). I've been in his studio and became >> more familiar with it. I was blown away. I think i will buy one as >> soon as i can and sure will be looping the hell out of it. > > Wow, that's a cool instrument! It's nice to hear that you're up for > learning a new instrument. I've recently been tempted to buy a > Stick, myself, but they are hard to find here in Sweden. Right now > I'm sitting here watching videos of Mexican duo guitarists Rodrigo > y Gabriela and I'm thinking about what cool stuff that woman could > do with looping. She has learned an incredible playing technique > for "percussive" backing guitar. What you hear when she starts > beating the nylon stringed is a complete drum kit, bass and funky > chords - all played at the same time on a Spanish type guitar. > There latest album has an audio CD and a DVD-video with tutorials > where she shows off those tricks in slomo. Very tempting to start > learning it. I guess it can be done on a steel stringed (C&W type) > acoustic as well? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:19:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAEDB3BED9; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060209081817.01a54770@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:19:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Questions about RC50 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602090639r7a375e94j2d7d700040958991@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20060209141354.18985.qmail@web53912.mail.yahoo.com> <20060209143738.90833.qmail@web53903.mail.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602090639r7a375e94j2d7d700040958991@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:19:03 +0000 (UTC) On 2/9/06, Adrian O'Connell wrote: > Yes, I have been living under a rock! At 06:39 AM 2/9/2006, David wrote: >It's a lifestyle that has merit in these perilous days. Long live rock! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:31:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2019E3BED0; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060209082201.01af2788@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:31:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela In-Reply-To: References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:31:18 +0000 (UTC) At 07:57 AM 2/9/2006, Pers wrote: >...She has learned an incredible playing technique for >"percussive" backing guitar. What you hear when she starts beating >the nylon stringed is a complete drum kit, bass and funky chords - >all played at the same time on a Spanish type guitar. There latest >album has an audio CD and a DVD-video with tutorials where she shows >off those tricks in slomo. Very tempting to start learning it. I >guess it can be done on a steel stringed (C&W type) acoustic as well? There are a number of ways to play drums on acoustic guitar. I use a modified kanjira technique on the top and sides of the guitar which is picked up by the transducer mounted inside the guitar under and behind the bridge. I prefer the K&K True Western. Great bass response, overall good response and very high output: it doesn't need a preamp. I use the K&K as my regular acoustic guitar pickup as well. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 16:35:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0949A3BEEC; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1139502949!27055301!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8DEA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:35:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C62D96.DCC96BD0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:35:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62D96.DCC96BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Korg ES-1 would be one of my top choices [snip] accent applied to all beats, etc.:. Does ES-1 have the same limitations? Also, I wasn't sure about its lower sampling rate (32KHz). . << I never had an issue with it's audio fidelity. to be honest, you can get away with a lower sample rate &/or bit-depth on individual instruments so long as the instruments in question are not too harmonically complex.... but I had forgotten about the velocity thing with the es-1. it's set globally by the accent level for the purposes of playback by the local keys or the sequencer. but if you play the same sounds with an external keyboard or pad(s) it responds "properly" to vvv. I'm not sure what happens if you record external midi data into it's sequencer, & I'd have to go & try this at home, as they say, because korg's UK site only has the manual for the mk2 version (mine are both mk1) & it is not clear on this particular topic. there isn't even an entry for "velocity" in the manual. I suspect, since there's a dedicated sequencer track for "accent", that it doesn't even attempt to record velocity on a per-instrument basis, but as I say, I'd have to try it to confirm this. but you could get an alesis HR16 for next to nothing these days, & attach it to a sampler at a later date if/when custom sounds become a bigger issue for you. I recall many hours spent banging away at it's 8-level pads..... this always struck me as being 6 more levels of loud/quiet than my drumming acquaintances could manage..... :-) it stays in record as it loops around, & it's easy to spot-erase things as they go past..... & you can tune the drums. I remember being disappointed that the SR16 came with presets & had ditched a lot of the stuff that made the HR16 state-of-the-art when it came out in late 1988. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62D96.DCC96BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 >> Korg ES-1 would be one of my top choices  [snip] accent applied to all beats, etc.:. Does ES-1 have the same limitations?
 
Also, I wasn't sure about its lower sampling rate (32KHz). . <<
 
I never had an issue with it's audio fidelity. to be honest, you can get away with a lower sample rate &/or bit-depth on individual instruments so long as the instruments in question are not too harmonically complex.... but I had forgotten about the velocity thing with the es-1.
 
it's set globally by the accent level for the purposes of playback by the local keys or the sequencer. but if you play the same sounds with an external keyboard or pad(s) it responds "properly" to vvv.
I'm not sure what happens if you record external midi data into it's sequencer, & I'd have to go & try this at home, as they say, because korg's UK site only has the manual for the mk2 version (mine are both mk1) & it is not clear on this particular topic. there isn't even an entry for "velocity" in the manual. I suspect, since there's a dedicated sequencer track for "accent", that it doesn't even attempt to record velocity on a per-instrument basis, but as I say, I'd have to try it to confirm this.
 
but you could get an alesis HR16 for next to nothing these days, & attach it to a sampler at a later date if/when custom sounds become a bigger issue for you. I recall many hours spent banging away at it's 8-level pads..... this always struck me as being 6 more levels of loud/quiet than my drumming acquaintances could manage..... :-)
it stays in record as it loops around, & it's easy to spot-erase things as they go past..... & you can tune the drums. I remember being disappointed that the SR16 came with presets & had ditched a lot of the stuff that made the HR16 state-of-the-art when it came out in late 1988.
 
duncan.

 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62D96.DCC96BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 17:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 235BF3BEE1; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602081916v2cf1c0b8we48e0d3376576873@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:02:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 17:02:50.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8D62DA0:01C62D9A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:02:54 +0000 (UTC) FYI, we need to make sure that people buy drinks & tip at this so we can do again... Thx Lou >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop >Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:16:02 -0500 > >extreme NY presents: > >open loop > >http://loopNY.com > > 3PM to 8PM > February 11, 2006 > Grand Central Bar > 659 Grand St, Brooklyn > >Live electronic looping, mixed live, of looped live and electronic >instruments with live, electronic players playing live and looped live >and electronic instruments, mixed. Long live (that's "live" as in >"live music" live not "live" as in "live or die" live) loops last >longer than most long looping shows, lasting longer than four long >loopy hours of looping length. > >Musicians: please bring live electronic or electric or live looper >instruments. Live electric and electronic instruments and voices will >be mixed and looped and mixed. There will be microphones. There will >be a 24-track mixing digital mixing board and the live loop live mix >will be recorded mixed live direct to 24-bit digital, live in 125 >minute continuous chunks. > >Board arrives 2:30, musicians load-in at 3, loop starts about 3:30. > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 17:04:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C9C3BEEC; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <390957EB-96A9-478B-B2E5-27DB70F594F8@charter.net> References: <20060208040213.11910.qmail@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060208051846.67063.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060208201032.01b505a0@TheNettles.com> <390957EB-96A9-478B-B2E5-27DB70F594F8@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <16766833-FB92-458B-A0D8-D03A0CCD3D98@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:07:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:04:14 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 8, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Have you looked at MachineDrum? I think it has many of the > qualities you are looking for, and is hella cool besides. The MachineDrum is essentially the ultimate in retro drum machines from the standpoint of being very grid oriented. You don't have any choice but to be quantized. I'm not sure what it does with velocity information from external sources. I really like my MachineDrum but I might have been just as happy and saved a chunk of money by going with an Electribe of some sort. What none of the drum machines I've encountered do is let you set the loop length on the fly. They are generally oriented toward specifying a pattern length and a tempo. The original Handsonic is a typical Roland product in that they've got most of the pieces but they don't get it quite right. It's got more or less the same effects as the SP-808 but you can't readily hook the parameter knobs to the effects the way you can on the SP-808. It's got a sequencer, but it isn't really useful for improvising. Etc. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 17:06:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 911FF3BEF6; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:06:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 17:06:44.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[341A7DD0:01C62D9B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little pressure :( >From: "Louis Rossi" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop >Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:02:50 -0500 > >FYI, we need to make sure that people buy drinks & tip at this so we can do >again... >Thx >Lou > > >>From: Tom Ritchford >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight >>Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop >>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:16:02 -0500 >> >>extreme NY presents: >> >>open loop >> >>http://loopNY.com >> >> 3PM to 8PM >> February 11, 2006 >> Grand Central Bar >> 659 Grand St, Brooklyn >> >>Live electronic looping, mixed live, of looped live and electronic >>instruments with live, electronic players playing live and looped live >>and electronic instruments, mixed. Long live (that's "live" as in >>"live music" live not "live" as in "live or die" live) loops last >>longer than most long looping shows, lasting longer than four long >>loopy hours of looping length. >> >>Musicians: please bring live electronic or electric or live looper >>instruments. Live electric and electronic instruments and voices will >>be mixed and looped and mixed. There will be microphones. There will >>be a 24-track mixing digital mixing board and the live loop live mix >>will be recorded mixed live direct to 24-bit digital, live in 125 >>minute continuous chunks. >> >>Board arrives 2:30, musicians load-in at 3, loop starts about 3:30. >> >>-- >> /t >> >>http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >>http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 17:56:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30D903BED9; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43EB826A.2010500@biink.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:56:58 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Louis Rossi wrote: > Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some > revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little pressure :( But it's a fact of life. That's what bar owners want, music that brings in customers. Depending on the weather and how I feel, I might make the track out to Brooklyn and tip a couple of jars. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 19:46:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B46E3BED5; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Hardware Drum Looper Desired Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:46:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <16766833-FB92-458B-A0D8-D03A0CCD3D98@baymoon.com> Thread-Index: AcYtmuEESkzTNeIqRsS9AgtI9wZAhQAFjkEQ Message-Id: <20060209194411.VEK17838.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:46:37 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] What none of the drum machines I've encountered do is let you set the loop length on the fly. They are generally oriented toward specifying a pattern length and a tempo. --->Aye there's the rub. My needs for percussion looping are: 1. Records MIDI 2. Set the loop on the fly 3. Sends clock (or receives--even better) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 19:50:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2DA93BEDD; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43EB9CF8.3050508@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:50:16 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Desired References: <20060209194411.VEK17838.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20060209194411.VEK17838.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:50:22 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry, but this only points towards throwing a computer into the mix to me - although, will the Command Station do this? Or how about the Yamaha rs7000? Lots of people can't praise it highly enough. Andreas Gary Lehmann wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > > > What none of the drum machines I've encountered do is let you set the > loop length on the fly. They are generally oriented toward specifying > a pattern length and a tempo. > > --->Aye there's the rub. > > My needs for percussion looping are: > 1. Records MIDI > 2. Set the loop on the fly > 3. Sends clock (or receives--even better) > Gary > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 20:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BDB3BEE0; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Software Drum Looper Acceptable Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:04:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <43EB9CF8.3050508@post.cybercity.dk> Thread-Index: AcYtsheZ2ixRPH0AT5W5Hi7NIckCeAAAbtzg Message-Id: <20060209200107.HCEH17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) So is there a Windows based program that suits my needs? Ableton? G -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Desired I'm sorry, but this only points towards throwing a computer into the mix to me - although, will the Command Station do this? Or how about the Yamaha rs7000? Lots of people can't praise it highly enough. Andreas Gary Lehmann wrote: > > My needs for percussion looping are: > 1. Records MIDI > 2. Set the loop on the fly > 3. Sends clock (or receives--even better) > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 20:14:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4233BEDC; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RQ/QMCrbzgN/9RO+HhTrU6BtBoRx5PRsJ57kDOWpJly2iGERAb3xSDsIOU4D6JiRBC1IPlBsMZ/vcTDSX5LOroy7jOTd7lP/Qrh9dRX20YEw0aq620oT/45jpn/qLy+vJG0+rYwHlUHT3U4LWvTckOEzmIx7vT6CsV/gzxq6F0M= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602091214i67a083f9y88fc72756b885e89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:14:37 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43EB826A.2010500@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43EB826A.2010500@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:14:39 +0000 (UTC) I agree -- it's 100% understandable -- he's not in the business for his health... On 2/9/06, David Beardsley wrote: > Louis Rossi wrote: > > > Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some > > revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little pressure := ( > > But it's a fact of life. That's what bar owners want, music that brings > in customers. > > Depending on the weather and how I feel, I might make the track out to > Brooklyn and tip a couple of jars. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 20:21:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D623C3BEDD; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602091214i67a083f9y88fc72756b885e89@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:21:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 20:21:33.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B236F60:01C62DB6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Regardless, I'm looking forward to a fun afternoon. We even have a few drinkers, I mean loopers confirmed ;) Cheers! Lou >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: db@biink.com >CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:14:37 -0500 > >I agree -- it's 100% understandable -- he's not in the business for >his health... > >On 2/9/06, David Beardsley wrote: > > Louis Rossi wrote: > > > > > Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some > > > revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little pressure >:( > > > > But it's a fact of life. That's what bar owners want, music that brings > > in customers. > > > > Depending on the weather and how I feel, I might make the track out to > > Brooklyn and tip a couple of jars. > > > > -- > > * David Beardsley > > * microtonal guitar > > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 20:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5440D3BEE2; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43EBA83F.4080906@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:38:23 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Drum Looper Acceptable References: <20060209200107.HCEH17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20060209200107.HCEH17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Ableton Live will most definitely do what you want, and it is indeed a glorious program, but I can't help but think "over-kill"?!? - Although you can't have too many loopers! I personally love looping percussion sounds in Live AND in an audio looper. I use two m-Audio TriggerFingers, a reaktor patch and a softsampler for this. It quantises well, and I just recently finished a script that lets me select the recording quantization level with a hotkey, which is super-handy. Gary Lehmann wrote: > So is there a Windows based program that suits my needs? Ableton? > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:50 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Desired > > I'm sorry, but this only points towards throwing a computer into the mix > to me - although, will the Command Station do this? Or how about the > Yamaha rs7000? Lots of people can't praise it highly enough. > > Andreas > > Gary Lehmann wrote: >> My needs for percussion looping are: >> 1. Records MIDI >> 2. Set the loop on the fly >> 3. Sends clock (or receives--even better) >> Gary > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 20:45:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3A93BEEE; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DVqD2zdSO0k9hQdwO+wIh+6Jm3MNWIl+lGXW+A0PdyzG92ReBY7rPsnqlwcca/Rk8PfD6oXgCeWgWfiI5+t55MeV5VqeN/eqe3WALghPvIQtCDdc9nTur07gvMCAqiCC3spMpLpudmNhZEwojoCJ5GMMo14MhGvrnxQsOjuWRZ0= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602091245t52f82892v37c87c4161b59df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:45:07 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602091214i67a083f9y88fc72756b885e89@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:45:09 +0000 (UTC) And there';s this party afterwards: http://groups.google.com/group/extremeNY/browse_thread/thread/41316c23fb109= 9c9/8cf68f98852443fb#8cf68f98852443fb On 2/9/06, Louis Rossi wrote: > Regardless, I'm looking forward to a fun afternoon. We even have a few > drinkers, I mean loopers confirmed ;) > Cheers! > Lou > > > > >From: Tom Ritchford > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: db@biink.com > >CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop > >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:14:37 -0500 > > > >I agree -- it's 100% understandable -- he's not in the business for > >his health... > > > >On 2/9/06, David Beardsley wrote: > > > Louis Rossi wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some > > > > revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little pressu= re > >:( > > > > > > But it's a fact of life. That's what bar owners want, music that brin= gs > > > in customers. > > > > > > Depending on the weather and how I feel, I might make the track out t= o > > > Brooklyn and tip a couple of jars. > > > > > > -- > > > * David Beardsley > > > * microtonal guitar > > > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > /t > > > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > >http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 20:56:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 721393BEDA; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602091245t52f82892v37c87c4161b59df@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:56:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2006 20:56:41.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[53F8B3E0:01C62DBB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:56:43 +0000 (UTC) BUT the Valentine's Day Love-In begins at open loop >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:45:07 -0500 > >And there';s this party afterwards: > >http://groups.google.com/group/extremeNY/browse_thread/thread/41316c23fb1099c9/8cf68f98852443fb#8cf68f98852443fb > >On 2/9/06, Louis Rossi wrote: > > Regardless, I'm looking forward to a fun afternoon. We even have a few > > drinkers, I mean loopers confirmed ;) > > Cheers! > > Lou > > > > > > > > >From: Tom Ritchford > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: db@biink.com > > >CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop > > >Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:14:37 -0500 > > > > > >I agree -- it's 100% understandable -- he's not in the business for > > >his health... > > > > > >On 2/9/06, David Beardsley wrote: > > > > Louis Rossi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some > > > > > revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little >pressure > > >:( > > > > > > > > But it's a fact of life. That's what bar owners want, music that >brings > > > > in customers. > > > > > > > > Depending on the weather and how I feel, I might make the track out >to > > > > Brooklyn and tip a couple of jars. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > * David Beardsley > > > > * microtonal guitar > > > > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > /t > > > > > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > >http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 21:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B44B3BEE8; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Drum Looper Acceptable Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:08:34 +0000 Message-Id: <020920062108.13569.43EBAF52000014F100003501219791299503010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jan 30 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:08:35 +0000 (UTC) > So is there a Windows based program that suits my needs? Ableton? > G If it was me, I would use NI's Battery running inside Ableton. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 21:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48F23BEDC; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NWx1pTkC3EBfcrGMwddrNyywcgv7uDCGA/uLRnWshtlfv807cWR+XdwiD1bIjGVT6HFV4SSSLnZP6WytyVqDs6IeoskuypKCF5IILEquaNP1AbLIaE91nardeBb5waSMmUoeYe9aI79FWLierucR7e+vGLk8Tft0dd5RcTHV04E= ; Message-ID: <20060209212612.52069.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:26:12 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: "subscribe" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2041890052-1139520372=:50810" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:26:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-2041890052-1139520372=:50810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "subscribe" --0-2041890052-1139520372=:50810 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "subscribe" --0-2041890052-1139520372=:50810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 22:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2323BED8; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060209170458.emkyw9ao0w0w840o@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:04:58 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ableton question References: <020920062108.13569.43EBAF52000014F100003501219791299503010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <020920062108.13569.43EBAF52000014F100003501219791299503010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:05:00 +0000 (UTC) For some time I've been seeing lots of references to Ableton Live, so I borrowed a copy from a friend. He uses it as his recording multitrack program and after playing with a little while I can certainly see it's usefulness there. I'm wondering how people use it in a live situation? Are you mostly using it as a vst host and router? Thanks Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 22:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981493BED6; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sXuc6pADt9nLvhQlSx1iggDfgwPatLwz8D8j3MPdAPPTu5uQ9VHwqroqY1omRDk7qN5AcvJlqHzDvlU7AQs4aCh6z9B6usbKdXJIlyUTg7TWmu3toV6vDPaZo58TThb7iukMo3MQmQHhOh/KSwFmmUs5HsdUJmPAgAKf8ZFl+ak= ; Message-ID: <20060209221146.55404.qmail@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:11:46 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060209111133.5F05E3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <47UMyB.A.fQD.l576DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:12:53 +0000 (UTC) If you're new to the Emu Command Station, make sure you have the latest software update. Tons of extra functionality was stuffed in there just before Emu went the route of hardware/software interfaces. Stephen <> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 9 22:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0173BEE2; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43EBC304.9000301@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:32:36 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ableton question ("how do you use it?") References: <020920062108.13569.43EBAF52000014F100003501219791299503010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <20060209170458.emkyw9ao0w0w840o@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060209170458.emkyw9ao0w0w840o@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Paul. I'll give you a quick breakdown of what I'm doing currently in Live5. The main thing is vst-hosting, midi+audio looping and routing... in other words, everything needed for live performance. I run a mic and a synth into it (and a full vocal-processor device chain on the mic), two softsynths, a virtual sampler and a sound-on-sound looper from it without my computer breaking a sweat - I can loop the output of my looper orthe synths in audio clips, loop+quantize midi lines going to the softsynths AND I can route any signal into the looper for multiply/divide trickery and glitch-processing. Everything is handled by midi controllers, and it works sooo well. andy. phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > For some time I've been seeing lots of references to Ableton Live, so I > borrowed > a copy from a friend. He uses it as his recording multitrack program and > after > playing with a little while I can certainly see it's usefulness there. I'm > wondering how people use it in a live situation? Are you mostly using it > as a > vst host and router? > > Thanks > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 00:24:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD173BED9; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PVw6xomlEcpD0MkG5MeEiOZisKvUgYnn7KQpNGcdntdPFmKYq2O0s9G6jziZOQkZpqfZxVPYgXb7ttzBbmfAUihCmyKFc8GC8r75Cro7fri6tFgHWjlAtNug1EOJcCnLLULX+mP+szwudHshZg43h3PId6VQ3gdEYYoPNI9aTs0= ; Message-ID: <20060210002433.69752.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060209221146.55404.qmail@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the tip... I think I'm using v2 At one point I thought I'd get rid of it but I can't bring myself to. Even though I'm only using it as an interface/rompler it's worth it considering the XL-7 cost me like $400 new. --- S V G wrote: > > If you're new to the Emu Command Station, make > sure you have the latest software update. > Tons of extra functionality was stuffed in there > just before Emu went the route of > hardware/software interfaces. > > Stephen > > > < station (XL7) I got this week... (snip)>> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 00:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCA5E3BEE6; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VydPPm3uHEuDXqhKeegvHnghu8lFm4WIcYq2nCUejkqsdBDpU8Nrg+GEgAwYbY2Wj2qmCGuJGAictxnVRlLjkEEQSRsVmPxWALvzpM8QEUIrwLDrMRrrYGLxD17WaS8N3HQe6uKJrmItC8shJy+aauuKVMI1h1dlcgvpV/y9beo= ; Message-ID: <20060210003201.22427.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hardware Drum Looper Desired To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060209194411.VEK17838.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) The Command Station won't let you set the loop on the fly but you can change the length after you make the initial loop. --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > > > > What none of the drum machines I've encountered do > is let you set the > loop length on the fly. They are generally oriented > toward specifying > a pattern length and a tempo. > > --->Aye there's the rub. > > My needs for percussion looping are: > 1. Records MIDI > 2. Set the loop on the fly > 3. Sends clock (or receives--even better) > Gary > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 00:42:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D07A3BEE7; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ly2+/Oy6+/fZ7PVUCeWzKxh4U/9fMbnG2E9K0RBzTw4/CuWlgPi48h4OYUg2tCwAQcgkmOrN4cnrcvbe3/wcsptX7LtMPcIeV8u3t32uYG/qHd4nAj57VBom2e5NYhcrNYMW5sFixBz3PqIN2wKG98IltzKBf2Qh9KzjTv6LQ4o= ; Message-ID: <20060210004257.27314.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060209155239.39564.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:42:59 +0000 (UTC) As a Handsonic 15 owner, I have to say that it is indeed a great instrument. The first time you use that D-Beam to shift the pitch of your drum your audience will go "oooo" and deem you so technically advanced that to them you will appear magical. In terms of easy to use drum machines, look at the Korg etribes. They can be gotten cheap and have decent sounds of their own (or buy the sampler type and put in your own). Also, many scorn it, but BT and I like the Roland MC-307, out of production but easily had cheaply on ebay. And I know I'm going to throw a spanner into your works, but... Laptop? Sure you'll need a laptop and a USB audio/midi interface, but the versatility you'll get out of it is bar non. I resisted it for years but finally caved. I'm really glad I did though. I'm using Digital Performer 4.6 on a Mac with Native Instrument's Battery and Spectrasonics Stylus. It's amazing. Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I wanted > to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. I > like Handsonic’s interface – it is most physical and > instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I have > seen, so when used in a performance, it would give > an impression of an actual instrument being played – > not that there is anything wrong with drum machine > style triggers, which were my initial consideration, > but I really like the physical aspect of Handsonic. > Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already > has an excellent soundset and that it could be used > as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in addition > would be a good live sequencer with all of the > characteristics earlier described, one that is > easily controlled during performance and a one that > would let me shift in and out of recording mode > without interrupting playback. Does the fact that > this would be only a sequencer and not have to have > sampling/sound generating/triggering features > simplifies my search? Are there > any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this > outside of those already recommended? > > I would still need to figure out what MIDI > interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI > devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock info > to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my > guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending > sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI > Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI > outs) that Rick had suggested work for this? > > As I said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative > in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum looping, > so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use > an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think > that the quantize feature would be essential for me, > as well as the ability to have my drum loops synced > to my guitar/bass loops. > > Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in > trying to figure out the best way to set this up. > > Rale > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 01:00:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C713BEEC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:57:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Changing Meters In-reply-to: <20060203022143.790BAE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43EBE4DD.8020803@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060203022143.790BAE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:00:18 +0000 (UTC) joe rut wrote: > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > >> You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if you don't >> count in >> numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech centers. > > I have a song on my first album that is an instrumental that goes back > and forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), and 6/8. The band could not > figure it > out until I made up nonsense words to sing to it: Real neat idea. > "I'm going to the store with my dog = 9 syllables > I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie = 12 syllables > My puppy doggie = 5 syllables > my puppy doggie = 5 syllables > he is a really spiffy doggie" = 9 syllables Am I missing something? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 01:05:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F6A23BEF0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009301c62dde$04208eb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MUSOLOMO? Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:04:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone gotten a chance to try out this Mac only freeware looping app------------MUSOLOMO? http://plasq.com/downloads I just read about it today in the live looping tribe and tribe.net. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 01:50:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937393BED6; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eEB9ZC9gyIGPJEB2WYpKVOgt8H7S0urNs+67sScPDBEH2e68/+wjDCoZxjO0dezOlM/mIcZg40ND+soT/contVosqQ7hgNLKm+YG0Sr/n3QYviTLLqhy7Rjx44/UO/msiHTw0Je1OFD6ChqZp9R6vvI9xnSdKSWYF6O40rtkHbw= ; Message-ID: <20060210015009.44569.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060210004257.27314.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-72602249-1139536208=:44207" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:50:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-72602249-1139536208=:44207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark,. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have used PCs for a long time and have made my living supporting them, but I was hoping that there would be something outside of the computer paradigm. I was looking for a simpler solution and having, perhaps, a single device instead of several MIDI components (MIDI controllera MIDI interfaces, soundcards, laptop, many cables,etc) as you would on a computer-based system Ths in part for the sake of mobility, but also because of the fact that compuetr-based systems tend to become a point of distraction for me where I spend more time troubleshooting them or exploring their potential than actually playing music. However I realize that in terms of sophistication, it would be unrealistic to expect to find anything like Ableton Live in the hardware world, but I am willing to make that compromse. This is why after reading all of these postings I have been thinking of exploring the ideas of using Handsonic 10 and instead of doing MIDI drum looping, consider an idea of looping audio coming out of Handsonic, using the same looper that would use for my guitar/bass loops (possibly Boss RC-50 (or some other looper, if there is a more suitable one?)) I would be interested to find out if anyone else is doing anything similar, and if so, what their setup is like. Using a single hardware looper for looping of live percussions/drums and guitar/bass (or other instruments that are not prerecorded or presequenced) but are played live and looped on the fly. Rale mark sottilaro wrote: As a Handsonic 15 owner, I have to say that it is indeed a great instrument. The first time you use that D-Beam to shift the pitch of your drum your audience will go "oooo" and deem you so technically advanced that to them you will appear magical. In terms of easy to use drum machines, look at the Korg etribes. They can be gotten cheap and have decent sounds of their own (or buy the sampler type and put in your own). Also, many scorn it, but BT and I like the Roland MC-307, out of production but easily had cheaply on ebay. And I know I'm going to throw a spanner into your works, but... Laptop? Sure you'll need a laptop and a USB audio/midi interface, but the versatility you'll get out of it is bar non. I resisted it for years but finally caved. I'm really glad I did though. I'm using Digital Performer 4.6 on a Mac with Native Instrument's Battery and Spectrasonics Stylus. It's amazing. Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I wanted > to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. I > like Handsonic’s interface – it is most physical and > instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I have > seen, so when used in a performance, it would give > an impression of an actual instrument being played – > not that there is anything wrong with drum machine > style triggers, which were my initial consideration, > but I really like the physical aspect of Handsonic. > Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already > has an excellent soundset and that it could be used > as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in addition > would be a good live sequencer with all of the > characteristics earlier described, one that is > easily controlled during performance and a one that > would let me shift in and out of recording mode > without interrupting playback. Does the fact that > this would be only a sequencer and not have to have > sampling/sound generating/triggering features > simplifies my search? Are there > any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this > outside of those already recommended? > > I would still need to figure out what MIDI > interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI > devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock info > to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my > guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending > sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI > Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI > outs) that Rick had suggested work for this? > > As I said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative > in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum looping, > so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use > an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think > that the quantize feature would be essential for me, > as well as the ability to have my drum loops synced > to my guitar/bass loops. > > Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in > trying to figure out the best way to set this up. > > Rale > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Mark,.
 
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have used PCs for a long time and have made my living supporting them, but I was hoping that there would be something outside of the computer paradigm.
 
I was looking for a simpler solution and having, perhaps, a single device instead of several MIDI components (MIDI controllera MIDI interfaces, soundcards, laptop, many cables,etc) as you would on a computer-based system Ths in part for the sake of mobility, but also because of the fact that compuetr-based systems tend to become a point of distraction for me where I spend more time troubleshooting them or exploring their potential than actually playing music. However I realize that in terms of sophistication, it would be unrealistic to expect to find anything like Ableton Live in the hardware world, but I am willing to make that compromse.
 
This is why after reading all of these postings I have been thinking of exploring the ideas of using Handsonic 10 and instead of doing MIDI drum looping, consider an idea of looping audio coming out of Handsonic, using the same looper  that would use for my guitar/bass loops (possibly Boss RC-50 (or some other looper, if there is a more suitable one?))  I would be interested to find out if anyone else is doing anything similar, and if so, what their setup is like. Using a single hardware looper for looping of live percussions/drums and guitar/bass (or other instruments that are not prerecorded or presequenced) but are played live and looped on the fly.
 
Rale
 
mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
As a Handsonic 15 owner, I have to say that it is
indeed a great instrument. The first time you use
that D-Beam to shift the pitch of your drum your
audience will go "oooo" and deem you so technically
advanced that to them you will appear magical.

In terms of easy to use drum machines, look at the
Korg etribes. They can be gotten cheap and have
decent sounds of their own (or buy the sampler type
and put in your own). Also, many scorn it, but BT and
I like the Roland MC-307, out of production but easily
had cheaply on ebay.

And I know I'm going to throw a spanner into your
works, but... Laptop? Sure you'll need a laptop and a
USB audio/midi interface, but the versatility you'll
get out of it is bar non. I resisted it for years but
finally caved. I'm really glad I did though. I'm
using Digital Performer 4.6 on a Mac with Native
Instrument's Battery and Spectrasonics Stylus. It's
amazing.

Mark

--- Rafko M wrote:

> After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I wanted
> to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. I
> like Handsonic’s interface – it is most physical and
> instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I have
> seen, so when used in a performance, it would give
> an impression of an actual instrument being played –
> not that there is anything wrong with drum machine
> style triggers, which were my initial consideration,
> but I really like the physical aspect of Handsonic.
> Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already
> has an excellent soundset and that it could be used
> as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in addition
> would be a good live sequencer with all of the
> characteristics earlier described, one that is
> easily controlled during performance and a one that
> would let me shift in and out of recording mode
> without interrupting playback. Does the fact that
> this would be only a sequencer and not have to have
> sampling/sound generating/triggering features
> simplifies my search? Are there
> any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this
> outside of those already recommended?
>
> I would still need to figure out what MIDI
> interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI
> devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock info
> to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my
> guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending
> sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI
> Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI
> outs) that Rick had suggested work for this?
>
> As I said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative
> in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum looping,
> so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use
> an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think
> that the quantize feature would be essential for me,
> as well as the ability to have my drum loops synced
> to my guitar/bass loops.
>
> Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in
> trying to figure out the best way to set this up.
>
> Rale
>
>
>
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Mail. --0-72602249-1139536208=:44207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 03:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48C1A3BEE7; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UzNmVR2n+/LWnbmRKz4c2fpf4eR+OcZ4YkDyliiOrH2B8I9waSM273ubAzeqRirvemVGVFyeaTcR4YPAzOf75l6WlvbTxqSW35cgCnzoV0/fKC+rEnS/BQQfWg9OJWElqSoBjjPdjUfyb5k3ePDjGKwywBy/wkVPUJSyycL8K7c= ; Message-ID: <20060210034319.45117.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:43:19 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Looper Riddle To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:43:21 +0000 (UTC) What gives you up to 60 seconds of stereo looping with feedback control & IS NOT being marketed as a looper? http://www.backline-eng.com/page4.html The sound demos are not what I'd call inspiring; but, it does seem to have some out of the ordinary features. I don't intend to get one, but am curious what you folks think about it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 04:03:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0E43BEEE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c62df7$01073760$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060210004257.27314.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:03:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:03:56 +0000 (UTC) << The first time you use that D-Beam to shift the pitch of your drum your audience will go "oooo" and deem you so technically advanced that to them you will appear magical. >> Also, the first time you accidentally trigger the D-Beam and the gong goes off at full volume. Yikes! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations > As a Handsonic 15 owner, I have to say that it is > indeed a great instrument. The first time you use > that D-Beam to shift the pitch of your drum your > audience will go "oooo" and deem you so technically > advanced that to them you will appear magical. > > In terms of easy to use drum machines, look at the > Korg etribes. They can be gotten cheap and have > decent sounds of their own (or buy the sampler type > and put in your own). Also, many scorn it, but BT and > I like the Roland MC-307, out of production but easily > had cheaply on ebay. > > And I know I'm going to throw a spanner into your > works, but... Laptop? Sure you'll need a laptop and a > USB audio/midi interface, but the versatility you'll > get out of it is bar non. I resisted it for years but > finally caved. I'm really glad I did though. I'm > using Digital Performer 4.6 on a Mac with Native > Instrument's Battery and Spectrasonics Stylus. It's > amazing. > > Mark > > --- Rafko M wrote: > >> After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I wanted >> to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. I >> like Handsonic's interface - it is most physical and >> instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I have >> seen, so when used in a performance, it would give >> an impression of an actual instrument being played - >> not that there is anything wrong with drum machine >> style triggers, which were my initial consideration, >> but I really like the physical aspect of Handsonic. >> Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already >> has an excellent soundset and that it could be used >> as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in addition >> would be a good live sequencer with all of the >> characteristics earlier described, one that is >> easily controlled during performance and a one that >> would let me shift in and out of recording mode >> without interrupting playback. Does the fact that >> this would be only a sequencer and not have to have >> sampling/sound generating/triggering features >> simplifies my search? Are there >> any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this >> outside of those already recommended? >> >> I would still need to figure out what MIDI >> interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI >> devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock info >> to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my >> guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending >> sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI >> Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI >> outs) that Rick had suggested work for this? >> >> As I said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative >> in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum looping, >> so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use >> an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think >> that the quantize feature would be essential for me, >> as well as the ability to have my drum loops synced >> to my guitar/bass loops. >> >> Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in >> trying to figure out the best way to set this up. >> >> Rale >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 04:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762093BEF6; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qX8TZcbnPbfbg4piP8x0lv+9fADmsXsvlDDgfqHNntfU8XS64biUhgH28OiTr/GOIGNWq+82Nw2a2bQULQbvl6D11Q3R4hTxdg+LiBwVE8g0G8nHZyXewE6zbfYsFqIYdLF7AVg+cA590x5cCC1Gs4BuMfLOJwbV5SDxBqPlE+A= ; Message-ID: <20060210042954.49864.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Changing Meters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43EBE4DD.8020803@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:29:57 +0000 (UTC) This is very interesting to me, as I'm in a class right now, but I realized last class that the beat was way way way easier to follow (we were doing 4 against 6) *if I gave it a melody*. Why? Don't know but I bet it has a lot to do with the same chunk of gray matter. Mark --- Bill Fox wrote: > joe rut wrote: > > > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > > > >> You can actually get the hang of odd meter really > fast if you don't > >> count in > >> numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage > of our speech centers. > > > > I have a song on my first album that is an > instrumental that goes back > > and forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), and 6/8. The > band could not > > figure it > > out until I made up nonsense words to sing to it: > > Real neat idea. > > > "I'm going to the store with my dog = 9 syllables > > I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie = 12 > syllables > > My puppy doggie = 5 syllables > > my puppy doggie = 5 syllables > > he is a really spiffy doggie" = 9 syllables > > Am I missing something? > > Cheers, > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 04:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8445C3BEF3; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g0BFK8oLKFrreTUyy4eY0PNeMsnSppkzUl2EIQwgIrcKyRq4W6pQOKVjjBkdOX5hHPuK5Ch+CuIklJ6xGkJGzxHUHTVET9wkcMCfoB6A4djcuGwkME78TiZl0Miw7QHlZ9FJrgynV7tguBbAF9MXTEJoDaQ7k5C2XMDDXJTy0dU= ; Message-ID: <20060210044716.69170.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060210015009.44569.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, part of me thinks you might be right... perhaps the part that was yelling at his computer the other day when opening a midi file made DP4.6 crash each time? Perhaps. I think you might be on to something with the audio looping. I often put layers of handonic over my basic drum machine beats to mix it up. My recommendations there are to get something that does as many layers as you can afford. I use a Repeater now (4 track) but I'm looking at the looperlative (8 stereo tracks)... OK, I'm more than looking, I put half down as a deposit! I don't know much about the RC-50 as I ignore any looper that dosn't have feedback control. Good luck! Mark --- Rafko M wrote: > Mark,. > > Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have used > PCs for a long time and have made my living > supporting them, but I was hoping that there would > be something outside of the computer paradigm. > > I was looking for a simpler solution and having, > perhaps, a single device instead of several MIDI > components (MIDI controllera MIDI interfaces, > soundcards, laptop, many cables,etc) as you would on > a computer-based system Ths in part for the sake of > mobility, but also because of the fact that > compuetr-based systems tend to become a point of > distraction for me where I spend more time > troubleshooting them or exploring their potential > than actually playing music. However I realize that > in terms of sophistication, it would be unrealistic > to expect to find anything like Ableton Live in the > hardware world, but I am willing to make that > compromse. > > This is why after reading all of these postings I > have been thinking of exploring the ideas of using > Handsonic 10 and instead of doing MIDI drum looping, > consider an idea of looping audio coming out of > Handsonic, using the same looper that would use for > my guitar/bass loops (possibly Boss RC-50 (or some > other looper, if there is a more suitable one?)) I > would be interested to find out if anyone else is > doing anything similar, and if so, what their setup > is like. Using a single hardware looper for looping > of live percussions/drums and guitar/bass (or other > instruments that are not prerecorded or > presequenced) but are played live and looped on the > fly. > > Rale > > mark sottilaro wrote: > As a Handsonic 15 owner, I have to say that it is > indeed a great instrument. The first time you use > that D-Beam to shift the pitch of your drum your > audience will go "oooo" and deem you so technically > advanced that to them you will appear magical. > > In terms of easy to use drum machines, look at the > Korg etribes. They can be gotten cheap and have > decent sounds of their own (or buy the sampler type > and put in your own). Also, many scorn it, but BT > and > I like the Roland MC-307, out of production but > easily > had cheaply on ebay. > > And I know I'm going to throw a spanner into your > works, but... Laptop? Sure you'll need a laptop and > a > USB audio/midi interface, but the versatility you'll > get out of it is bar non. I resisted it for years > but > finally caved. I'm really glad I did though. I'm > using Digital Performer 4.6 on a Mac with Native > Instrument's Battery and Spectrasonics Stylus. It's > amazing. > > Mark > > --- Rafko M wrote: > > > After receiving a lot of good suggestions, I > wanted > > to explore and discuss Roland Handsonic 10 route. > I > > like Handsonic’s interface – it is most physical > and > > instrument-like of all compact drum triggers I > have > > seen, so when used in a performance, it would give > > an impression of an actual instrument being played > – > > not that there is anything wrong with drum machine > > style triggers, which were my initial > consideration, > > but I really like the physical aspect of > Handsonic. > > Under the light of the fact that Handsonic already > > has an excellent soundset and that it could be > used > > as a MIDI trigger, the only thing needed in > addition > > would be a good live sequencer with all of the > > characteristics earlier described, one that is > > easily controlled during performance and a one > that > > would let me shift in and out of recording mode > > without interrupting playback. Does the fact that > > this would be only a sequencer and not have to > have > > sampling/sound generating/triggering features > > simplifies my search? Are there > > any other devices (sequencers) suitable for this > > outside of those already recommended? > > > > I would still need to figure out what MIDI > > interface I would use to interconnect these MIDI > > devices and have the sequencer send MIDI clock > info > > to Boss RC-50 looper (the one I would use for my > > guitar/bass loops), while at the same time sending > > sequencing MIDI data to Handsonic.Would MIDI > > Solutions MIDI thru box (1 MIDI IN and two MIDI > > outs) that Rick had suggested work for this? > > > > As I said earlier, perhaps I am too conservative > > in trying to stay within MIDI with my drum > looping, > > so I would be opened for suggestions on how to use > > an audio looper, but not being a drummer, I think > > that the quantize feature would be essential for > me, > > as well as the ability to have my drum loops > synced > > to my guitar/bass loops. > > > > Again, thanks to all of you who are helping me in > > trying to figure out the best way to set this up. > > > > Rale > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 05:20:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 659AE3BEE4; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YoLroLFgF1HCeT/qgWIWpQvVBlmaJVWGixl0ZmclDRJ8tZbOUBNW92l0hIkH4jcftKHAnEz65sDsCMKGlW28ycpC/vYw0tjz/D3x5Ra9a2maDINgttnhmNNxMubbgDXFKIGEK8+KAYuM4ORcZIuQV8bcIO/R/NwGjkrPTyN7vLc= ; Message-ID: <20060210051957.67096.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MUSOLOMO? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009301c62dde$04208eb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Brings Digital Performer down like a house of cards. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Has anyone gotten a chance to try out this > Mac only freeware looping app------------MUSOLOMO? > > http://plasq.com/downloads > > I just read about it today in the live looping tribe > and tribe.net. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 08:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE8B63BEE4; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060209170458.emkyw9ao0w0w840o@www.wightman.ca> References: <020920062108.13569.43EBAF52000014F100003501219791299503010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <20060209170458.emkyw9ao0w0w840o@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <20962405-4487-44A9-A803-A746DABF44BE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ableton question Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:00:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:01:06 +0000 (UTC) On 9 feb 2006, at 23.04, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Are you mostly using it as a > vst host and router? Yes, that's right. I also use it for "action sequence scripting". Instead of tap dancing the same sequence over your MIDI pedals (for controlling eventual looping devices or other electronic instruments) I step on ONE MIDI pedal to trigger a MIDI clip in Live. This MIDI clip is set up with controlling MIDI data in the right sequence and when triggered the data is sent to the instrument/looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 08:12:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618813BED8; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060210051957.67096.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060210051957.67096.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <224611FD-933E-48A4-804C-FC593350611F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MUSOLOMO? Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:12:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:12:46 +0000 (UTC) > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > >> Has anyone gotten a chance to try out this >> Mac only freeware looping app------------MUSOLOMO? >> >> http://plasq.com/downloads Yes. It seems to target users that "remix". I tried it out extensively but did not find it useful for me in a live looping performance context. There is an audio buffer that fills up and when it's full you have to empty it to keep on. Typically not a looper suitable for continuos feedback looping. It has a pitch shift function that is very cool. Musolomo should be called "a live sampler" and not "a looper". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 09:27:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77BBE3BEF0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c62e24$34999aa0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <20060210051957.67096.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <224611FD-933E-48A4-804C-FC593350611F@boysen.se> Subject: Test - Please ignore Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:27:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Test - please ignore. Nik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 09:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B52C3BEF0; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HACno60OCFIU7LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060210090553.027f6560@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:33:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Looper Riddle In-Reply-To: <20060210042957.00CD13BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060210042957.00CD13BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:34:36 +0000 (UTC) >What gives you up to 60 seconds of stereo looping with >feedback control & IS NOT being marketed as a looper? > >http://www.backline-eng.com/page4.html > >The sound demos are not what I'd call inspiring; but, >it does seem to have some out of the ordinary >features. They say:- When you press the footswitch to turn on this effect, the LEDs will turn yellow to tell you when the unit is recording what you are playing. Once the programmed delay time is reached, the LEDs will turn green. If you press the footswitch again before the LEDs turn green, the delay time will be set to the time that you pressed the footswitch. This allows you to time the delay to what you are playing. By setting the feedback level to 0, what you initially record will be played back over and over again without any additional layering. This provides up to 60 seconds of looping capability. Both the left and right channels are treated the same. andy says:- there's also a way to set feedback to 10 different preset levels So it's almost a pretty neat basic looper, allowing you to record using tap time, and having feedback control. Manual doesn't say if you can tap the time and go straight into overdub, and seems to hint that you can't, though someone would have to try it to find out. The feedback level can be varied automatically by either the volume that you play, or the speed that you play. User interface is like this:- http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/BacklineFXTracker.html so a MIDI footcontroller would be advisable. Presumably it's possible to make a loop, and then change the feedback level, ...but this is not explicitly stated. Price is $420 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 10:35:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF8923BEE9; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c62e2d$a4675800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "Mr Dick" Subject: LOOPING ACOUSTIC DRUMSET INVENTION Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:34:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Kevin and I have been having an off list discussion about our love for simulating electronic sounds by using all acoustic methods and he asked me about a Drum and Bass kit that I had eluded to in an earlier post. I sat down tonight (my first night out of bed after five days of one of the worst viral bugs that i've had) and wrote it out.I thought I'd share for anyone out there who is interested in the acoustic kit and it's possibilities in looping. This kit mics like a dream with a split mic channel with two D112 Kick mics and on Shure SM 81 or AKG C1000s overhead.........................mono all the way baby! yours, Rick ************************************************ D&B/DOWNTEMPO specialty kit What I set out to create was the equivalent of what the software program ReCycle does for audio drum tracks. You can pitch the kit up (jungle, D&B) or down (Trip Hop, Downtempo, Abstract Electronica, Chill), slice it up and then rearrange it. Consequently I wanted to acoustically reproduce the sounds of drum sounds pitched up or down on a sampler. (the higher the pitch, the shorter the envelope----the lower teh pitch the longer the envelope) Additionally I wanted to use cymbal combinations that sounded more like artificial synth drums, old analogue drum machine sounds or even highly processed drum sounds. What I came up with was a two side drum kit LEFT SIDE (jungle, D&B, analogue drum machine----higher pitched) three custom made snare drums (using old fiberglass Pearl concert tom tom shells from the 70's) 6", 8", 10" These are on a rotating even plain off of an old Ludwig tri-tom so that I can rotate which ever one close in to me They sit to the left of an 8" Marco Mineman Meinl electro hi hats.............very high pitched, very electronic sounding---just like normal hats pitched upwards on a sampler then the main snare drum---------------whatever I'm into but I"m digging an old 60's piccolo Supraphonic that I"ve had forever tuned, surprisingly, rather full (not high pitched) Still it sounds like a normal snare drum---it's got a killer die cast rim on it, though for all that great electronica rim click stuff (and reggae, african and latin). The kick drums are bizarre inventions of mine (inspired but the drummer of Mari Boine's band from Norway) One is a 12" Purecussion tom tom with thick naugahyde glued to both sides of the head on an LP footpedal designed for cowbells and woodblocks the other is the 14" tom tom with hideous amounts of gaffing tape covering both sides with the same footpedal assembly the 12" 'kick' is tuned up like a hi pitched Drum and Bass kick the 14" sounds incredibly like a massive TR 808 drum machine kick ..........you know the one you hear in rap all the time that has a low but very clear fundamental tone and a long envelope. both of these kicks sound like hell from a foot away, but if you put your ear right next to them they sound like god , so I mike them incredibly tightly. RIGHT SIDE (half speed, trip hop, downtempo, chill) a big double headed 26" kick drum tuned close to slack and very , very deep but without a lot of sustaining tone a big 10" X 14" Ludwig Coliseum snare drum (also with that awesome Ludwig die cast rim---the absolute loudest die cast rim made on earth--I know because I've owned one of all of them at one time or another) tuned incredibly slack with the snares just rattling. I really wanted that long, sloppy, detuned vibe of a trip hop beat that was originally at 120 beats a minute and piece de resistance, two very old 60's Japanese crash cymbals purchased at the flea market. Because the Japanese make such incredible drumsets these days, a lot of people forget that they made the world's worst drum sets in the 1960's...by far....................bad for world drummers...................excellent for me.........lol These things are so cheap that they are very thin and as we know in the cymbal world, the thinner the cymbal the lower the pitch (give the same diameter). I use these two as ersatz downsampled hi hats. I don't even put a clutch on them, nor do I tighten them down. Just resting on each other they sound like perfectly like detuned samples of normal hi hats I compliment this all with an array of small specialty cymbals that I have collected over the ages...........including cymbals that sound curiously like the TR 808 ride cymbal sounds------flange cymbals-----mega bells-----jing cymbals from china-----stacks of small splashes and cut down cymbals that make really nice white noise crash sounds. I'm also proud of the finishing touch which is an invention of mine: One very, very heavy set of six 60's Japanese hi hat cymbals that I put goggles on and beat the holy living hell out of with a ball peen hammer. I squashed the bells to flat and then put as many pings into them as possible. The more pings, the more overtones. this thing makes the most awesome simulation of a synthesizer white noise, clapping sound and they are loud as hell. By using felts and tighening and loosening the wing nut I can change the length of the envelope from very tight to very long from song to song. Then to make things interesting I play these things with a plethora of different kinds of beaters and sticks to get different timbres out of them: I have chicken scrapers that make it sound like a very, very quick multiple digital delay hit on a snare drum..................knitting needles whose head sounds like electronic hi hats on even a normal pair of hihats----various kinds of brushes----a bunch of inventions of mine where I but a strip of the fuzz side of velcro on several different sizes of stick, mallets and brushes and the I sewed everything from dry Indian jingles to tambourined jingles to poker chips to seed pod gourds to the stick side of several strips of velcro and , voila, instant percussion stick. this is a particularly cool effect if you are doing some kind of a hand over hand accented pattern like a bo diddley beat with a velcro stick in one hand and a normal stick in the other. You hear the accented tom tom lick of the bo diddley beat but you simultaneously hear a funky constant 8th note pattern on whatever jingle texture you have provided.................it's like having your own maraca player..................without having to pay him or her...........Bo Diddley eat your heart out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 12:03:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17FA63BEF6; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LuDxbrBScA5AvGiiDoWzHDRwIawSXl4C5fImD6bImU0pV6jrUgGfw72i2yDlhWN7LnDTkt/FLo4IW1SSzbikLKeZxSQaWcwkRBbYQ0WZjCbyeaEJOjulw2ixAp9WcC2TF9G/1Nzn4a50R7OS0luKTgStnOt/sdMV42QzycNXDgo= ; Message-ID: <20060210120259.25462.qmail@web37812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Bill Walker on the Y2K5 To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1302086683-1139572979=:25330" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7sOu7C.A.-tF.1DI7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:03:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1302086683-1139572979=:25330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bill, Yesterday, i was listenting to your loops from the Y2K5 festival. The first piece, is that a Lap Steel or you're just playing with a slide? I love all of those, but the first one it's really inspring. Very best, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1302086683-1139572979=:25330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Bill,
 
Yesterday, i was listenting to your loops from the Y2K5 festival. The first piece, is that a Lap Steel or you're just playing with a slide?
 
I love all of those, but the first one it's really inspring.
 
Very best,


Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

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Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1302086683-1139572979=:25330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 12:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A58573BEF7; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: Subject: Where to buy EDP in europe Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:29:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC) It's in the title, I guess. I am in the UK and want to buy an EDP. Best price I can find is about £900 including the footswitch. Whereas in the US they can be had for less than $900. Is it worth buying from across the pond? I believe the unit can be easily switched from110 volts to our 230 volts. European EDP owners: Where did you get yours? Cheers, Nik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 12:54:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4691C3BEF3; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X4s7QhdGLp3HbBRmR3HCS3PvFeRjn0hdd6Q9nxe5MhOXWUjSsLVj7jF7JiNxisCbU1sJdURrE5z2eTDYlRDcV8B+DNtv6dHaY0IoC4/XsOfbdLQgkIx79sVsSv0b7PMhjvxGbzCES95Ivh30qOrZklSOg3st6ipBGFOgxVW7K1c= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602100454q23fa04fap989ac815aa9096d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:54:10 +0000 From: David Morton To: Nik Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Like you I made enquiries of UK dealers and found the prices didn't pass the laugh test (you seem to have done *much* better than I did, I was getting quotes back the *wrong* side of UKP1k). While I've a reasonable amount of experience buying from over the pond (I bought some of my ZVex pedals from http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/ my FMR RNP+RNC & Royer SF-12 mic from http://www.mercenary.com/ for example, and all were happy experiences), I didn't have any luck tracking down an EDP that way. This was over 18 months ago, I get the impression things have improved a good deal since then. So I put the right search terms into eBay.co.uk and waited for it to email me when one came up in the UK. I waited a while, but in the end one did and I got it for what I considered a reasonable price. It was a beige Gibson running Loop III, but a quick visit to the Aurisis web site fixed that. I had a stroke of luck: The chap who sold it to me had two, and I asked him if he'd be willing to sell me his other one. He declined, but he passed me on to a friend of his who'd bought an EDP at the same time he bought his pair and was willing to sell. Again it was running Loop III, so that required a return visit to the Aurisis site. So I got a pair of EDPs of identical spec (bought by their original purchasers within days of each other). I didn't realise at the time that this is something to strive for if you want them to synch reliably with each other (because the spec of the xtal clocks is different on different generations of EDP) but I know now. I'm not eBay's greatest fan, but in the end I got two very nice condition EDPs - both full memory spec and (now) running Loop IV - and two footswitches for substantially less money than I'd been quoted for one brand-new EDP. It did require a degree of patience, and I'm not sure if I'd bother with that strategy again now they're much more readily available in the US. I think I'd be more inclined to just order a new one from the US and be done with it. That said, the arrival of the Looperlative is going to impact the supply of s/h EDPs and push the prices down. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 14:15:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2946E3BEEC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0GtZUAYUixhvXjzPeA+0QAzBKB6tPJCjgZGdff7DGxLSwy+DDqsFlwNo46yNzQFbdIQiyQgxkoZQWTzhVIX7/KMcW+TVOHaIjJj5bUcE0jG5XD3C1/elFu104QWyCpBbCrFrTkxu3tzIAkZLaVRgVHeC7EV1ZkpmHQccTX2WP0g= ; Message-ID: <20060210141536.23225.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela (was: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Nice stuff thanks for the link Per! now check this guys video out as well: http://www.jongomm.com/music.html try that;-)! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 9 feb 2006, at 13.05, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > > I've found a lap steel maker here in Buenos Aires > :-) (he also > > believes he is the only one). I've been in his > studio and became > > more familiar with it. I was blown away. I think i > will buy one as > > soon as i can and sure will be looping the hell > out of it. > > Wow, that's a cool instrument! It's nice to hear > that you're up for > learning a new instrument. I've recently been > tempted to buy a Stick, > myself, but they are hard to find here in Sweden. > Right now I'm > sitting here watching videos of Mexican duo > guitarists Rodrigo y > Gabriela and I'm thinking about what cool stuff that > woman could do > with looping. She has learned an incredible playing > technique for > "percussive" backing guitar. What you hear when she > starts beating > the nylon stringed is a complete drum kit, bass and > funky chords - > all played at the same time on a Spanish type > guitar. There latest > album has an audio CD and a DVD-video with tutorials > where she shows > off those tricks in slomo. Very tempting to start > learning it. I > guess it can be done on a steel stringed (C&W type) > acoustic as well? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 14:44:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2453BEF7; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EaGUFpMMsJeG7/VpGBZ4YzYhsf2t4yWfETYdHtCGMnT110xvVVoPyq7nL5WyWJyUbMG1g1UDB1it+SVKpLgwkNcv9rTnCHP1WX93E8fIuVW9yt4lfYAQajHhHwKMRVoDIPIZfR2ol8RSSWR7PrVNUgcK1hRlJ2q0gbRZ8FLSxQY= ; Message-ID: <20060210144400.77138.qmail@web52003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: More Considerations on Choosing a Right Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-870731527-1139582640=:75950" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:44:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-870731527-1139582640=:75950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In thinking about a looping setup for live performances, and after reading many of replies to my earlier postings, I think that I now have a clearer idea on how this setup could be simplified, which leads me to consider abandoning the idea of staying within MIDI for percussion/drum looping. Theoretically, it seems that the simplest solution for what I am trying to do would be to use a single hardware looper for both percussions and guitar/bass loops. Again, my intention is to use this live, so “on the fly” looping capability is a must. Knowing that there would be no prerecorded loops and that I would be using a couple of tracks: one for two simple loop layers of percussions coming from something like Roland Handsonic 10, one for a bass loop, one for couple of layers of guitar, and possibly one for a loop of vocals, would anyone be able to recommend a suitable looper. Ideally, this would be a looper that would allow for maximum control via MIDI foot controller (start, stop, record, overdub, track selection, quantizing (for percussions), click off/on, etc) and the one that would at least have one stereo and one mono input to accommodate Handsonic 10 and a guitar being plugged in at the same time and separate outputs for these tracks. Again, if possible, I am looking for as simple solution as possible: no extra devices, interfaces, cables, etc. Money is a consideration and I would try to stay in $$$ range. I was hoping that someone familiar with Repeater, RC-50 or some of the other still-manufactured loopers would be able to recommend a suitable one. I would also be interested in finding out what MIDI foot controller could be used along. Mark, thanks again for your replies. They help me a lot in trying to make sense out of this maze of options. Thanks, Rale --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-870731527-1139582640=:75950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
In thinking about a looping setup for live performances, and after reading many of replies to my earlier postings, I think that I now have a clearer idea on how this setup could be simplified, which leads me to consider abandoning the idea of staying within MIDI for percussion/drum looping.
 
Theoretically, it seems that the simplest solution for what I am trying to do would be to use a single hardware looper for both percussions and guitar/bass loops. Again, my intention is to use this live, so “on the fly” looping capability is a must.
 
Knowing that there would be no prerecorded loops and that I would be using a couple of tracks: one for two simple loop layers of percussions coming from something like Roland Handsonic 10, one for a bass loop, one for couple of layers of guitar, and possibly one for a loop of vocals, would anyone be able to recommend a suitable looper.  
 
Ideally, this would be a looper that would allow for maximum control via MIDI foot controller (start, stop, record, overdub, track selection, quantizing (for percussions), click off/on, etc) and the one that would at least have one stereo and one mono input to accommodate Handsonic 10 and a guitar being plugged in at the same time and separate outputs for these tracks.  
 
Again, if possible, I am looking for as simple solution as possible: no extra devices, interfaces, cables, etc. Money is a consideration and I would try to stay in $$$ range.  I was hoping that someone familiar with Repeater, RC-50 or some of the other still-manufactured loopers would be able to recommend a suitable one. I would also be interested in finding out what MIDI foot controller could be used along.
 
Mark, thanks again for your replies. They help me a lot in trying to make sense out of this maze of options.
 
Thanks,
Rale
 

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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-870731527-1139582640=:75950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 15:21:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62F183BEDE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016601c62e55$a07a1110$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: Cc: References: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> <353e2ed80602100454q23fa04fap989ac815aa9096d4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:18:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:21:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, Thanks for the information. I'm watching a couple both new and used on US Ebay now. Problem is, a new one from the US costs about the same as a used one in the UK. I am sure this kind of price difference prevents them selling well over here. But that's what Gibson do. They get away with it for guitars because people like to play guitars before they buy them, but for a piece of electronics... As for the Looperlative, please exceuse my cynicism, but I have seen this kind of thing come to nothing several times before. I have even been involved as a design engineer. Do we yet have a price and delivery date? Cheers, Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morton" To: "Nik" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe Like you I made enquiries of UK dealers and found the prices didn't pass the laugh test (you seem to have done *much* better than I did, I was getting quotes back the *wrong* side of UKP1k). While I've a reasonable amount of experience buying from over the pond (I bought some of my ZVex pedals from http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/ my FMR RNP+RNC & Royer SF-12 mic from http://www.mercenary.com/ for example, and all were happy experiences), I didn't have any luck tracking down an EDP that way. This was over 18 months ago, I get the impression things have improved a good deal since then. So I put the right search terms into eBay.co.uk and waited for it to email me when one came up in the UK. I waited a while, but in the end one did and I got it for what I considered a reasonable price. It was a beige Gibson running Loop III, but a quick visit to the Aurisis web site fixed that. I had a stroke of luck: The chap who sold it to me had two, and I asked him if he'd be willing to sell me his other one. He declined, but he passed me on to a friend of his who'd bought an EDP at the same time he bought his pair and was willing to sell. Again it was running Loop III, so that required a return visit to the Aurisis site. So I got a pair of EDPs of identical spec (bought by their original purchasers within days of each other). I didn't realise at the time that this is something to strive for if you want them to synch reliably with each other (because the spec of the xtal clocks is different on different generations of EDP) but I know now. I'm not eBay's greatest fan, but in the end I got two very nice condition EDPs - both full memory spec and (now) running Loop IV - and two footswitches for substantially less money than I'd been quoted for one brand-new EDP. It did require a degree of patience, and I'm not sure if I'd bother with that strategy again now they're much more readily available in the US. I think I'd be more inclined to just order a new one from the US and be done with it. That said, the arrival of the Looperlative is going to impact the supply of s/h EDPs and push the prices down. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 15:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93F2A3BEF1; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Server-Uuid: 19320F60-75F1-4C03-876A-1D6F44F99F6F Subject: Electrixpro.com back up again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: matthew.quinn@sunlife.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:21:19 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 02/10/2006 10:31:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6FF26E7A20W2371577-41-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7gD7L.A.--G.9IL7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Does it look slightly different to anyone else? WTF......I guess I'm hapy it's back as it's a good resource for info, but geez- what is up with this company? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 15:43:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247CA3BEEC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:44:01 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sequencer for Roland Handsonic 10 -- Hardware Drum Looper Recommedations Message-ID: <20060210144401.GA20866@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20060210004257.27314.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060210015009.44569.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060210015009.44569.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:43 +0000 (UTC) I've been following your questions being I have the same thoughts as a similar approach. I have Ableton/Powerbook setup and it does everything but I rather go hardware as of yet. So now, after owning a few loopers and research, nothing has quite come to par with my Echoplex. That is a must to start. Second, I side towards a seperate drum trigger/module perhaps and keep that seperated from the EDP looping, but have it synced to the EDP, This enables me better control through my mains/front speakers for the drums which is important to me. Loop everything else through the EDP. On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 05:50:08PM -0800, Rafko M wrote: > Mark,. > > Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I have used PCs for a long time and have made my living supporting them, but I was hoping that there would be something outside of the computer paradigm. > > I was looking for a simpler solution and having, perhaps, a single device instead of several MIDI components (MIDI controllera MIDI interfaces, soundcards, laptop, many cables,etc) as you would on a computer-based system Ths in part for the sake of mobility, but also because of the fact that compuetr-based systems tend to become a point of distraction for me where I spend more time troubleshooting them or exploring their potential than actually playing music. However I realize that in terms of sophistication, it would be unrealistic to expect to find anything like Ableton Live in the hardware world, but I am willing to make that compromse. > > This is why after reading all of these postings I have been thinking of exploring the ideas of using Handsonic 10 and instead of doing MIDI drum looping, consider an idea of looping audio coming out of Handsonic, using the same looper that would use for my guitar/bass loops (possibly Boss RC-50 (or some other looper, if there is a more suitable one?)) I would be interested to find out if anyone else is doing anything similar, and if so, what their setup is like. Using a single hardware looper for looping of live percussions/drums and guitar/bass (or other instruments that are not prerecorded or presequenced) but are played live and looped on the fly. > > Rale > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 15:43:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B323BF01; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mgEv5T7zZz5KjNDDkchigyqbH+D5sk0krPsChqt3KT0TP1oAi5t++kcKL7jUjStHd+ygzkgu1w86ywTtcSlq/rf/Lxn6w0tVcuJRbkB49tUPyrQ/tmE8YLPQa7Pl1oW4BXOIlFjvcEDsndelLgDvp12J9GRoM8AUqgtITfV9SFg= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602100743m356d35e9s4ef81049216f06cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:52 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe In-Reply-To: <016601c62e55$a07a1110$0300a8c0@STUDY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> <353e2ed80602100454q23fa04fap989ac815aa9096d4@mail.gmail.com> <016601c62e55$a07a1110$0300a8c0@STUDY> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:54 +0000 (UTC) On 2/10/06, Nik wrote: > Problem is, a new one from the US costs about the same as a used > one in the UK. I paid *much* less for each of mine than the price of a new one brought from the US. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 15:51:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5553BEF6; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017b01c62e59$d4d6ece0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: "Kelly Coyle" Cc: References: <1A5BAE04-54E0-479F-BAC3-44129D060096@charter.net> Subject: Re: Hey Nik Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:33:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kelly, Thanks for the offer. I do appreciate it. I missed this because I had not done enough research and would not bid higher until I had learned more: 7387665842 This just went for the 'Buy it now' price, but to a UK bidder. For another $22 he could have had a new one.: 7389570254 And these I am watching are new: 7388027034 7387956982 I have pasted Ebay item numbers as the URLs are so long. Anyway, I hope you will not be offended if I suggest that your asking price is too high for a used unit, in whatever condition. Got your second message: Yes, I understand that the foot controller is included. Cheers, Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: "Nik" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Hey Nik >I just saw your post on Looper's Delight. I am thinking about selling my >blackface EDP. I don't know if it's a good deal for you or not. I got mine >from David Coffin (also an LDer) for $850 US, but it also included the >EFC7 (beige) footpedal. It looks like it would be $40-50 to ship it, and I >can't speak to VAT or duties or whatever your government does to you. I >could sell for $850 shipped. > > The unit itself is utterly mint -- it's never been racked or gigged by > David or me. It's got the newest software, etc., etc. > > Ignore me if this is unwelcome. > > > > > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 15:51:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 771AD3BF04; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017c01c62e59$d501a660$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: Cc: References: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> <1242.212.205.245.201.1139581272.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Costas, I know Thomann well, but their price for the whole thing inc. foot controls is £1111. That's around $2,000. And they don't have stock right now. I know I can get it for £900 from www.SohoSoundhouse.com Cheers, Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Costas Andreou" To: "Nik" Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe > If it is of any help: > http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-176901.html > > Greetings > Costas Andreou > > > ||bass||loops||electronics|| > http://www.costasandreou.com > contact@costasandreou.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Fri, February 10, 2006 2:29 pm, Nik said: >> It's in the title, I guess. >> I am in the UK and want to buy an EDP. Best price I can find is about >> £900 >> including the footswitch. Whereas in the US they can be had for less than >> $900. Is it worth buying from across the pond? I believe the unit can be >> easily switched from110 volts to our 230 volts. >> >> European EDP owners: Where did you get yours? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nik > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 16:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85F8D3BEEC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Dt/78SsKjJMwg9kRtEPMkDgbhzB+q0qRBnWMagt+q9M//8X1j9zZWnbFUietnk7KTCg3Z1DLOkeugwjPZF+SBb7tsq5iCvmeyrDN9kOhyOO8yBBaaufRBVGeCHlOI6OQ1Ek5GVMm1lhGmQQFybgLQg/p7gW1kicvTd5pXwdbUfM= ; Message-ID: <20060210161351.45274.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:13:51 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: laptop albums? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060210042957.F1A9B3BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1405113929-1139588031=:40101" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1405113929-1139588031=:40101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit after last months topic of laptop performances, i was wondering if anyone could recommend a laptop album/cd that they've heard/thought was good. i've been listening to "yearlong" by keith fullerton whitman/greg davis and thought its pretty good (it's a 45 min live document of performances over a yr that they did as a duo using laptops--from some of the small pics it appears that they also feed guitar, toy keyboards etc and process...) i've been enjoying it, but at times i think it just sounds like sound collage using high tech (or current) gear, instead of recording foundsounds to tape and using tape loops etc like i'm sure it was done back in the day.... s--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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after last months topic of laptop performances,
i was wondering if anyone could recommend a laptop album/cd
that they've heard/thought was good.
i've been listening to "yearlong" by keith fullerton whitman/greg davis
and thought its pretty good (it's a 45 min live document of performances over
a yr that they did as a duo using laptops--from some of the small pics it
appears that they also feed guitar, toy keyboards etc and process...)
i've been enjoying it, but at times i think it just sounds like sound collage using
high tech (or current) gear, instead of recording  foundsounds to  tape and using tape loops etc like i'm sure it was done back in the day....
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1405113929-1139588031=:40101-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 16:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E0033BEEE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: ira.users.uth.gr: apache set sender to pmelidis@uth.gr using -f Message-ID: <20060210183315.3rchiqjc2lso4ssw@webmail.uth.gr> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:33:15 +0200 From: Panagiotis Melidis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop albums? References: <20060210161351.45274.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060210161351.45274.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Originating-IP: 195.251.17.248 X-AntiVirus-uvscan: 0 (ok) ok X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) hi! jim orourke: i'm happy and i'm singing and 1234 the first track is ace, reminds me of phillip glass.theres and an harmonium sample going through granulators and stuff, reminds of that sloper plugin.i've heard that its all on max/msp four tet:rounds audiomulch album, lot of samples, and a lot of supatrigga plugin goin on!! at his live shows he gets much wilder, he feeds 2 vaios running mulch through a boss sp303. -- panagiotis melidis Quoting scott hansen : > after last months topic of laptop performances, > i was wondering if anyone could recommend a laptop album/cd > that they've heard/thought was good. > i've been listening to "yearlong" by keith fullerton whitman/greg davis > and thought its pretty good (it's a 45 min live document of > performances over > a yr that they did as a duo using laptops--from some of the small pics it > appears that they also feed guitar, toy keyboards etc and process...) > i've been enjoying it, but at times i think it just sounds like > sound collage using > high tech (or current) gear, instead of recording foundsounds to > tape and using tape loops etc like i'm sure it was done back in the > day.... > s--- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 17:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30D83BEF5; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d401c62e65$4c7a0ec0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <013c01c62e3d$a5395ac0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:13:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Further thoughts - I could pick up a used Lexicon Jamperson for a lot less, but this is missing one feature I can't imagine being without - control of Feedback. Correct? Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nik" To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Where to buy EDP in europe > It's in the title, I guess. > I am in the UK and want to buy an EDP. Best price I can find is about £900 > including the footswitch. Whereas in the US they can be had for less than > $900. Is it worth buying from across the pond? I believe the unit can be > easily switched from110 volts to our 230 volts. > > European EDP owners: Where did you get yours? > > Cheers, > > Nik > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 17:23:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01873BEEE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a6.48493082.311e25fe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:23:10 EST Subject: CHAIN-TAPE POEM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a6.48493082.311e25fe_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:23:19 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1a6.48493082.311e25fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit our latest project is now up at the CT-COLLECTIVE site, please give it a listen.....thnaks.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_1a6.48493082.311e25fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable our latest project is now up at the CT-= COLLECTIVE site, please give it a listen.....thnaks.....mic



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 --part1_1a6.48493082.311e25fe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 17:33:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9240E3BEEE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bill Walker on the Y2K5 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:33:52 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62E25.1A863AF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060210120259.25462.qmail@web37812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:33:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62E25.1A863AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first piece if I recall, was done on a Lap steel, and Bill Asher made Ben Harper model, one of the first ones he made. it looks like a solid body weissenborn, though it has a chambered body. I first got to try one when Greg Leiz, the great session player was in town with bill Frissell, and he let me try it at sound check. The second slide tune I did was on a PRS hollow body I had to sell for Tax reasons (DOH!) it was tuned in E and features some of that behind the slide fretting technique, pioneered by the great Sonny Landreth. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:03 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bill Walker on the Y2K5 Bill, Yesterday, i was listenting to your loops from the Y2K5 festival. The first piece, is that a Lap Steel or you're just playing with a slide? I love all of those, but the first one it's really inspring. Very best, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62E25.1A863AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The=20 first piece if I recall, was done on a Lap steel, and Bill Asher made = Ben Harper=20 model, one of the first ones he made. it looks like a solid body = weissenborn,=20 though it has a chambered body. I first got to try one when Greg Leiz, = the great=20 session player was in town with bill Frissell, and he let me try it at = sound=20 check. The second slide tune I did was on a PRS hollow body I had to = sell for=20 Tax reasons (DOH!) it was tuned in E and features some of that behind = the slide=20 fretting technique, pioneered by the great Sonny = Landreth.
Thanks
Bill
 
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From: Ariel Rzezak=20 [mailto:arzezak@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 = 4:03=20 AM
To: = loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Bill=20 Walker on the Y2K5

Bill,
 
Yesterday, i was listenting to your loops from the Y2K5 festival. = The=20 first piece, is that a Lap Steel or you're just playing with a slide? =
 
I love all of those, but the first one it's really inspring. =
 
Very best,


Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires,=20 Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62E25.1A863AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 17:37:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41A983BEF9; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:37:38 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPING ACOUSTIC DRUMSET INVENTION Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001901c62e2d$a4675800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Very cool ideas, I forwarded this to a couple of drummers I know who are pursuing similar concepts. Rick, we need pictures and audio clips! :-) On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 02:34 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Kevin and I have been having an off list discussion about our love for > simulating > electronic sounds by using all acoustic methods and he asked me about a > Drum and Bass kit that I had eluded to in an earlier post. > > I sat down tonight (my first night out of bed after five days of one > of the worst viral bugs that i've had) > and wrote it out.I thought I'd share for anyone out there who is > interested in the acoustic kit and it's possibilities in > looping. This kit mics like a dream with a split mic channel with > two D112 Kick mics and on Shure SM 81 or > AKG C1000s overhead.........................mono all the way baby! > > yours, Rick > > ************************************************ > D&B/DOWNTEMPO specialty kit > > What I set out to create was the equivalent of what the software > program ReCycle does > for audio drum tracks. > > You can pitch the kit up (jungle, D&B) or down (Trip Hop, Downtempo, > Abstract Electronica, Chill), > slice it up and then rearrange it. > > Consequently I wanted to acoustically reproduce the sounds of drum > sounds pitched up or down on a sampler. > (the higher the pitch, the shorter the envelope----the lower teh pitch > the longer the envelope) > > Additionally I wanted to use cymbal combinations that sounded more > like artificial synth drums, old analogue drum machine sounds > or even highly processed drum sounds. > > What I came up with was > > a two side drum kit > > LEFT SIDE (jungle, D&B, analogue drum machine----higher pitched) > > three custom made snare drums (using old fiberglass Pearl concert tom > tom shells from the 70's) > 6", 8", 10" These are on a rotating even plain off of an old > Ludwig tri-tom so that I can rotate which ever one close in to me > > They sit to the left of an 8" Marco Mineman Meinl electro hi > hats.............very high pitched, very electronic sounding---just > like normal hats pitched > upwards on a sampler > > then the main snare drum---------------whatever I'm into but I"m > digging an old 60's piccolo Supraphonic that I"ve had forever tuned, > surprisingly, rather full (not high pitched) Still it sounds like a > normal snare drum---it's got a killer die cast rim on it, though for > all that great electronica rim click stuff (and reggae, african and > latin). > > The kick drums are bizarre inventions of mine (inspired but the > drummer of Mari Boine's band from Norway) > One is a 12" Purecussion tom tom with thick naugahyde glued to both > sides of the head on an LP footpedal designed for cowbells and > woodblocks > the other is the 14" tom tom with hideous amounts of gaffing tape > covering both sides with the same footpedal assembly > > the 12" 'kick' is tuned up like a hi pitched Drum and Bass kick > the 14" sounds incredibly like a massive TR 808 drum machine kick > ..........you know the one you hear in rap all the time that has a low > but > very clear fundamental tone and a long envelope. > > both of these kicks sound like hell from a foot away, but if you put > your ear right next to them they sound like god , so I mike them > incredibly tightly. > > RIGHT SIDE (half speed, trip hop, downtempo, chill) > > a big double headed 26" kick drum tuned close to slack and very , very > deep but without a lot of sustaining tone > a big 10" X 14" Ludwig Coliseum snare drum (also with that awesome > Ludwig die cast rim---the absolute loudest die cast rim made on > earth--I know because I've owned one of all of them at one time or > another) tuned incredibly slack with the snares just rattling. > I really wanted that long, sloppy, detuned vibe of a trip hop beat > that was originally at 120 beats a minute > and piece de resistance, two very old 60's Japanese crash cymbals > purchased at the flea market. Because the Japanese make such > incredible drumsets these days, a lot of people forget that they made > the world's worst drum sets in the 1960's...by > far....................bad for world > drummers...................excellent for me.........lol > These things are so cheap that they are very thin and as we know in > the cymbal world, the thinner > the cymbal the lower the pitch (give the same diameter). > I use these two as ersatz downsampled hi hats. I don't even put a > clutch on them, nor do I tighten them down. > Just resting on each other they sound like perfectly like detuned > samples of normal hi hats > > I compliment this all with an array of small specialty cymbals that I > have collected over the ages...........including cymbals that sound > curiously like the > TR 808 ride cymbal sounds------flange cymbals-----mega bells-----jing > cymbals from china-----stacks of small splashes and cut down cymbals > that make really nice white noise crash sounds. > I'm also proud of the finishing touch which is an invention of mine: > One very, very heavy set of six 60's Japanese hi hat cymbals that I > put goggles on and beat the holy living hell out of with a ball peen > hammer. I squashed the bells to flat and then put as many pings into > them as possible. The more pings, the more overtones. this thing > makes the most awesome simulation of a synthesizer white noise, > clapping sound and they are loud as hell. By using felts and > tighening and loosening the wing nut I can > change the length of the envelope from very tight to very long from > song to song. > > Then to make things interesting I play these things with a plethora of > different kinds of beaters and sticks to get different timbres out of > them: > I have chicken scrapers that make it sound like a very, very quick > multiple digital delay hit on a snare drum..................knitting > needles whose > head sounds like electronic hi hats on even a normal pair of > hihats----various kinds of brushes----a bunch of inventions of mine > where I > but a strip of the fuzz side of velcro on several different sizes of > stick, mallets and brushes and the I sewed everything from dry Indian > jingles > to tambourined jingles to poker chips to seed pod gourds to the stick > side of several strips of velcro and , voila, instant percussion > stick. > > this is a particularly cool effect if you are doing some kind of a > hand over hand accented pattern like a bo diddley beat with a velcro > stick in one hand and a normal stick in the other. You hear the > accented tom tom lick of the bo diddley beat but you simultaneously > hear a funky constant 8th note pattern on whatever jingle texture you > have provided.................it's like having your own maraca > player..................without having to pay him or her...........Bo > Diddley eat your heart out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 18:00:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F663BEFA; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAKFf7EOCFIU7LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060210175138.02c88c70@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:59:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe( Lex Jamman) In-Reply-To: <20060210173743.9BEBF3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060210173743.9BEBF3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:20 +0000 (UTC) At 17:37 10/02/06, you wrote: >Further thoughts - I could pick up a used Lexicon Jamperson for a >lot less, but this is missing one feature I can't imagine being >without - control of Feedback. Correct? > >Nik the Lexicon JamMan has 3 modes of operation 1) a long delay, with feedback control & tap time. It's possible to redefine a loop length, and thus produce a tap timed loop, but this is awkward and prone to make clicks. 2) a phrase looper, with overdub , which will only do fadeout if you have a midi controller, and then it can click if you overdubbed anything over the start/end point. 3) single shot sample with reverse. There's also some altenative software available from Bob Sellon, (the designer) which vastly expands the features. andy butler (yes, I used to try and do a Multiply with my JamMan, sometimes it even worked) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 18:39:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E383BEF3; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QL7z0ULE+4UBV7SbWSHX2OhHDwwNTG0og8+tB8iFYmimLpWxN1rTNewMnOYqagdDWdOvMYFKYl+5oJE8CKiqy2mUxqLIKgk2Fml5rYASfAaUA8IPdFWLNcXS/1oUDYHnrjbexTSmEpbNXbccw0nhMMFRIdI8WZ6zOy5V263VTCs= ; Message-ID: <20060210183938.29692.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electrixpro.com back up again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Maybe... though it still says, "We're excited to announce the re-launch of your favorite effects and sampler mods, and early next year you'll be able to put your hands on the hottest gear from Electrix at your local music retailer." which leads me to believe it's an unupdated husk of a webpage that might as well not be there. --- matthew.quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > Does it look slightly different to anyone else? > > > WTF......I guess I'm hapy it's back as it's a good > resource for info, but > geez- what is up with this company? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) > is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed > and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , > confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, > you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail > message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 18:42:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36AB03BEFE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007f01c62e71$54feba80$229ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20060210183938.29692.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Electrixpro.com back up again Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:39:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:42:34 +0000 (UTC) "Though it all looks different now, I know it´s still the same." (Trent Reznor) The same "Electrix is back... ugh, well, we were never gone" text like last year. I don´t give a penny about this until I actually hold a Repeater Mk. 2 in my hands. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: mark sottilaro To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Electrixpro.com back up again > Maybe... though it still says, "We're excited to > announce the re-launch of your favorite effects and > sampler mods, and early next year you'll be able to > put your hands on the hottest gear from Electrix at > your local music retailer." which leads me to believe > it's an unupdated husk of a webpage that might as well > not be there. > > --- matthew.quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > > > Does it look slightly different to anyone else? > > > > > > WTF......I guess I'm hapy it's back as it's a good > > resource for info, but > > geez- what is up with this company? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) > > is intended for the use > > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed > > and may contain > > information that is privileged, proprietary , > > confidential and exempt from > > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, > > you are notified that > > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > > communication is > > strictly prohibited. If you have received this > > communication in error, > > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail > > message immediately. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 19:04:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4873BEE4; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n5F+JRED1HFcZcZoqMsexLu10BYTAXeTGI7H61/MtCq2yNdzGv5R7lyKpm2DJVQNa3P7uDJfCMSxr1AWs0OZ0ulS8p4iG1y7lt7RmXDtzEojfYKaDwjTyPqa5xfTs6uuysN9Wv0JqJe7by8beDavP6LUZoNJ+5PTgSBSf8hfa8c= Message-ID: <64b81a780602101104v3bf6a8d1j6c6500f4de915e28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:04:37 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring In-Reply-To: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Ariel, Most (maybe all?) of the bass heard on Michael Hedges recordings was played by Michael Manring. I got the opportunity to see the two of them many moons ago and I was thoroughly stunned. Of course, Hedges was a god, but I had never heard of Manring before and I was impressed. One of his solo bass pieces was played on a 6 (or 8?) string set up with drop tuners on all strings on both the head & the bridge. The whole song was flipping tuners. Technically interesting, but beautiful too. Makes me want to pull out some of my old Hedges discs. :) Todd On 2/9/06, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > So, i remembered this link that many of you maybe will like: > http://www.wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=3D/newsounds/newsounds2073.ra. > There's a piece by Frisell and Leisz feauturing lots of looping anndd > PLEASE.. listen the Michael Manring piece that follows. Really.. amazing!= In > the Airport Tunning (the story is told there). > I believe he's the bass player in The Funky Avocado with Michael Hedges, = not > sure. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 19:09:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C863BEFA; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MwTJ4rTvExuTTDWpnohs91K56LUMzbHQEaOt72JCleGFwrwvXShDjTAH1KqEHQmCu0r5Z2hxoYbYyRuJejKpuL85x1whyMbNFEbhNz+S4n4Re0b2kgfc7QZTR1q+iEj0o8/AFvoTflEjPnfJBBLK2wLnsrXM0BlfIRwwH+3HD8c= Message-ID: <64b81a780602101109t2b2fcaesa42964b619614d02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:09:40 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060209082201.01af2788@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060209082201.01af2788@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Rodrigo y Gabriela http://www.rodgab.com/index.html On 2/9/06, Kevin wrote: > At 07:57 AM 2/9/2006, Pers wrote: > > >...She has learned an incredible playing technique for > >"percussive" backing guitar. What you hear when she starts beating > >the nylon stringed is a complete drum kit, bass and funky chords - > >all played at the same time on a Spanish type guitar. There latest > >album has an audio CD and a DVD-video with tutorials where she shows > >off those tricks in slomo. Very tempting to start learning it. I > >guess it can be done on a steel stringed (C&W type) acoustic as well? > > There are a number of ways to play drums on acoustic guitar. I use a > modified kanjira technique on the top and sides of the guitar which > is picked up by the transducer mounted inside the guitar under and > behind the bridge. I prefer the K&K True Western. Great bass > response, overall good response and very high output: it doesn't need > a preamp. I use the K&K as my regular acoustic guitar pickup as well. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 19:14:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 973833BF04; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,103,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="165387563:sNHT21577304" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060210111223.022f4eb8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:14:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Lap Steel - Frisell & Leisz - Michael Manring In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602101104v3bf6a8d1j6c6500f4de915e28@mail.gmail.co m> References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4_I9wD.A.rM.AYO7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:14:08 +0000 (UTC) That's Michael's Zon Hyperbass: http://www.zonguitars.com/zonguitars/hyperbass.html At 2006.02.10 11:04 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: >impressed. One of his solo bass pieces was played on a 6 (or 8?) >string set up with drop tuners on all strings on both the head & the >bridge. The whole song was flipping tuners. Technically interesting, >but beautiful too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 19:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0ED93BEF5; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KKasLWtxFrkgeslSqKt+KwEfR2ilqCpfXnmNufj9v4BrCdXAwQYssh0VBmipVPcicFJd78XraQ4G0yWc0gp1qdf6vRQk4rAPdc036D8Rp3QNngmMWDfRmYCcOuXdH+OXKbeXulKjS363Ex5I6HwLcNora5SWNVoV1k2KpXhSUMg= Message-ID: <64b81a780602101152s1a3c7afbt622dfb8d90fcb70f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:52:52 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Changing Meters In-Reply-To: <20060210042954.49864.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43EBE4DD.8020803@soundscapes.us> <20060210042954.49864.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <38me2D.A.KRB.V8O7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:52:53 +0000 (UTC) I was just reading Eric Tamm's book on Fripp (http://www.erictamm.com/tammfripp.html) and came across a few wonderful rhythmic exercises just in time for this LD discussion of odd meters. Synchronicity. An example of a Guitar Craft rhythm exercise goes something like... Start with a 5/8 rhythm (ONE two THREE four five) against a quarter note pulse so the whole pattern repeats every 10 eighth notes. Then add a 7/8 rhythm (ONE two THREE four FIVE six seven) over top. So now you've got 7/8 over 5/8 over a steady 2/8 pulse. Wierd syncopated throbbing goodness. Do the same thing with melodic ostinatos and you get a wonderful whirly thing as the ostinatos drift apart and back together. Of course, in this example it takes 35 bars for the whole mess to repeat, but I've found you can shorten it nicely by throwing in a bar of 6/8 or 8/8 instead of the 7/8 every now and then. This is probably old hat to the polyrhythmic masters out there, but it's new to me and I'm having great fun with it. On 2/9/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > This is very interesting to me, as I'm in a class > right now, but I realized last class that the beat was > way way way easier to follow (we were doing 4 against > 6) *if I gave it a melody*. Why? Don't know but I > bet it has a lot to do with the same chunk of gray > matter. > > Mark > > --- Bill Fox wrote: > > > joe rut wrote: > > > > > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > > > > > >> You can actually get the hang of odd meter really > > fast if you don't > > >> count in > > >> numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage > > of our speech centers. > > > > > > I have a song on my first album that is an > > instrumental that goes back > > > and forth between 3/4 + 4/4 (or 7/8), and 6/8. The > > band could not > > > figure it > > > out until I made up nonsense words to sing to it: > > > > Real neat idea. > > > > > "I'm going to the store with my dog =3D 9 syllables > > > I'm going to the store with my puppy doggie =3D 12 > > syllables > > > My puppy doggie =3D 5 syllables > > > my puppy doggie =3D 5 syllables > > > he is a really spiffy doggie" =3D 9 syllables > > > > Am I missing something? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 20:02:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E68F63BEFC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c62e80$427e41a0$57bde104@hppav> From: "rdwiv" To: References: Subject: Re: Electrixpro.com back up again Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:26:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:02:24 +0000 (UTC) > > WTF......I guess I'm hapy it's back as it's a good resource for info, but > geez- what is up with this company? > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - You could always call them and ask. Here's the parent company info.... eBlitz Audio Labs 615 N. Nash St., Suite 206-B El Segundo, CA. 90245 Phone: (805) 258-1465 FAX: (310) 322-3334 E-Mail: contact@eblitzaudiolabs.com Office Hours: Mon-Fri 8:30 AM - 5:00 PM (Pacific Standard Time) rdw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 21:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC363BEF9; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p76vXmnwfz61lu0jGrJdpFWQTrJQ4bFbe6KHdiNnz7pmFVpm+AXCcDiYDB64w8BmKMjrztb9FDLJmiIIJiAp8em19RWueVxVUOMRfvHAELgqwTFidnsGsq0Py2WTHDEIbOvi1NFhwL0XJ2xhqhvq29zpxzz/MGzqQ0Er6wr+BR0= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770602101319p5d477c0s9f8230969f3b4145@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:19:28 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop albums? In-Reply-To: <20060210183315.3rchiqjc2lso4ssw@webmail.uth.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_809_4627962.1139606368722" References: <20060210161351.45274.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060210183315.3rchiqjc2lso4ssw@webmail.uth.gr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_809_4627962.1139606368722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline How about some Fenesz? I think his album Venice is pretty fantastic, but it took me some time to come around. I also really appreciate Fourtet's Rounds= , his album Pause before that was a favorite of mine for a while. Some of Gre= g Davis's work on his own is quite good. Curling Pond Woods is nice. Not sure if it's made on a laptop, but I really enjoy the album Rideau by the band .Tape. At least it is in the same vein. I could go on here... For lack of a laptop, I make my music on a desktop, and find the computer pretty much indispensible. The few times I played with real musicians in th= e last two years I felt pretty much lost, and I'd have no idea how to "write" a song at this point... recording bit-by-bit (no pun) on the computer makes the process much more generative in my experience. My stuff is pretty straightforward compared to these guys, but feel free to check out my site at www.chrisbellexperience.com (once it comes back on line, which is hopefully by Monday but who knows, apparently I let my domain registration lapse). ------=_Part_809_4627962.1139606368722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
How about some Fenesz? I think his album Venice is pretty fantastic, b= ut it took me some time to come around. I also really appreciate Fourtet's = Rounds, his album Pause before that was a favorite of mine for a while. Som= e of Greg Davis's work on his own is quite good. Curling Pond Woods is nice= . Not sure if it's made on a laptop, but I really enjoy the album Rideau by= the band .Tape. At least it is in the same vein. I could go on here...
 
For lack of a laptop, I make my music on a desktop, and find the compu= ter pretty much indispensible. The few times I played with real musicians i= n the last two years I felt pretty much lost, and I'd have no idea how to &= quot;write" a song at this point... recording bit-by-bit (no pun) on t= he computer makes the process much more generative in my experience. My stu= ff is pretty straightforward compared to these guys, but feel free to check= out my site at=20 www.chrisbellexperience.com<= /a> (once it comes back on line, which is hopefully by Monday but who knows= , apparently I let my domain registration lapse).
------=_Part_809_4627962.1139606368722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 22:43:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8649B3BEE8; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602101109t2b2fcaesa42964b619614d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060209120552.67212.qmail@web37810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060209082201.01af2788@TheNettles.com> <64b81a780602101109t2b2fcaesa42964b619614d02@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5BB6FD1A-74C6-4654-9F4E-8CFA27432AC0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:43:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1oHB8C.A.C6G.tcR7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:43:57 +0000 (UTC) On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: > Rodrigo y Gabriela > http://www.rodgab.com/index.html Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig here in Stockholm. Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very nice people and what a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in each guitar and skilled old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA through 24 channels, properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge drum kit with percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish Guitar cold produce such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 22:55:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 202653BEE7; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602101152s1a3c7afbt622dfb8d90fcb70f@mail.gmail.com> References: <43EBE4DD.8020803@soundscapes.us> <20060210042954.49864.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780602101152s1a3c7afbt622dfb8d90fcb70f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Changing Meters Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:55:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:55:11 +0000 (UTC) On 10 feb 2006, at 20.52, Todd Pafford wrote: > Start with a 5/8 rhythm (ONE two THREE four five) against a quarter > note pulse so the whole pattern repeats every 10 eighth notes. Then > add a 7/8 rhythm (ONE two THREE four FIVE six seven) over top. So now > you've got 7/8 over 5/8 over a steady 2/8 pulse. Wierd syncopated > throbbing goodness. Do the same thing with melodic ostinatos and you > get a wonderful whirly thing as the ostinatos drift apart and back > together. Of course, in this example it takes 35 bars for the whole > mess to repeat, but I've found you can shorten it nicely by throwing > in a bar of 6/8 or 8/8 instead of the 7/8 every now and then. That's an interesting tip. I'll save Todd's post to try it out later (I guess I won't be able to play it but I can line it up in Mobius - or EDP - by Sub Insert and stepping between the three meters as the quantizing base). I'm curious to hear what it's like. This morning (looong ago....zzzzzZZZZzzz...) I was walking the city with Robert Rich in my Sony Freestyle CD player. He had all kind of odd meters and also odd tunings! First time hearing him, I just bought three albums from CD Baby - nice music. (I love it winter time when you can walk outdoors in snow with in-ear phones under a warm cap ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 10 23:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6E73BEDE; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fyWiL4/PxJ5pzJxaS2rUiCRmMxAQgeHQCAlsXWsUUZ8S2lfG5A6jbUsE99w5kfbKD4OH9zE1jdla3paaC6Ox+d6qb6ayEUmvxHk8JrgKWx8D8RlBQY3Fhs3d2TQoUAUjo3jNpyqIvDQt+gGUXCo8hN9egEJKUU7Ub2sthXBnNEo= ; Message-ID: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: How do YOU loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5BB6FD1A-74C6-4654-9F4E-8CFA27432AC0@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:06:23 +0000 (UTC) this is just an informal survey i guess, but as i was noodling around on my EDPs last night i got to thinking: how do other loopers loop? do you guys (and gals) use looping to compose and build verse/chorus type parts (using next-loop on the EDP for example), do you loop mainly ever-evolving/fading soundscapes and textures, do you loop big long lines or chord progressions to solo over, or little short riffs, or get all rhythmic and percussive and chop everything up like DJs... i'm sure at one time or another we've done (or tried to do) all of these things. personally, i think i typically try to craft songs out of little riffs, but they often end up being somewhat repetitive despite the layers of texture. i've taken to calling this getting 'stuck in the loop', when i should probaly just step on to the next loop and build the next phrase or key change or whatever. so what/how does looping function for you? loop on, rick "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 01:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F14573BEEC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:05:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #463 for February 9, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43ED385E.1060807@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:09:01 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060209.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #463 February 9, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was CD1 from "In Blue" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the two vinyl disc set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. Klaus Schulze - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [Aidan Baker] Drone Four * S/T (Die Stadt) Thought Guild Gentle Atoms Continuum (HRR) Chad Hoefler Radiant Blue Quiet Glow (Lotuspike) Gert Emmens When Darkness Falls When Darkness Falls the Earth the Earth (Groove) Steve Roach Immersion: One * Immersion: One (Projekt) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Inot the Blue In Blue - CD1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Blowin' the Blues Away In Blue - CD1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Blue Moods In Blue - CD1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Wild and Blue * In Blue - CD1 (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be CD2 from "In Blue" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Recrods and released in 1980. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 04:49:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92E2B3BEF1; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d801c62ec6$8280f6d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: LOOPING ACOUSTIC DRUMSET INVENTION Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:49:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Dave said: "Very cool ideas, I forwarded this to a couple of drummers I know who are pursuing similar concepts. Rick, we need pictures and audio clips! " Errrrr, I've been sick as a dog for the past week with a bad viral sinus infection, have missed a lot of work and have a pretty heavy schedule for the next few weeks so I doubt I"ll be able to oblige that request any time soon, but I will when I put it together again to do some recording. Lately I've been playing a lot of traditional jazz gigs, professionally, so the drumsets in my drum teaching studio are set up with different styles of jazz kits for practise purposes. I don't know why I haven't recorded with it yet. I mean I have, but I used it to loop a few times and didn't record the gigs. I'll get to it, though. Thanks for your interest. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 05:40:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9121E3BEF6; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aOps8hW2XP/PMINOyhs5CAbhPIuae/7ELWaxIgy4HZ2gVz3hoG47+OqLvLijWtZvefl4CGw4GSOxPQ60Pi3Gsx1ZhC9sxvOCpHjkTJ3LRFf+MnvZd/KofVxK2CvjC5aZEizaA9ZeGpt/HFfAT4Uq7sKgbK+VqpG/UlUJesbjBHg= ; Message-ID: <20060211054034.22450.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:40:34 -0800 (PST) From: Monica Subject: free sound samples To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1343457147-1139636434=:8342" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2xcmjD.A.kxD.UjX7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:40:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1343457147-1139636434=:8342 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.bluedistortion.com/samples/ Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-1343457147-1139636434=:8342-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 08:04:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8F03BEEC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43ED9A8E.90105@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:04:30 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? References: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:04:38 +0000 (UTC) r i c k m o n d wrote: > so what/how does looping function for you? I recently got into the whole cutting/dividing/replace thing, so getting stuck in the loop has been changed into a one-shot, thank g*d. My looper does adjustable fades when going into replace, so I can do evolving stuff a bit more intuitively than turning down the feedback - also, on longer lines replacing a smaller fragment of the soundscape doesn't mess with the overall structure of the piece, making it a lot less daunting - it basically turns replace into a smooth, dynamic "reduce feedback, then overdub, then increase feedback after going out of overdub"-function, which I really like. (As an aside, do you call it Insert or Replace? I'm not quite hip to the lingo these days :-s ) But the best part still has to be: A: Degrading the loop and chopping into it with effects in the feedback chain - highpass filtering is especially good for me - and reversing stuff in there as well. B: Changing the loop length in my looper causes divides, not pitch-changes, so I can do a quick 1/16th note stutter burst, jump back out to 1 bar, and the stutters are locked in the loop - all this is probably old news to hardcore EDP-users, but it's pretty new ground for me, so I am very happy with it! All in all these methods provide some good tools for deconstruction and recontextualization of a soundscape, which are so fun that getting stuck isn't happening all that often - the only times it does is when I get into a really good loop, with succesfull effect chops, good harmonies, really good timing etc in a neat little package. At that point I *need* to sample the loop before moving on, I'm not hardened enough to kill my darlings yet. I've uploaded a quick mp3 highlighting some of the deconstruction methods I use - the track is an all-live recording, just voice and drum samples being triggered in real-time. I reckon it gets interesting at 1 minutes 30 seconds into the song where I start breaking down the loop quite a bit, by going from a 1bar loop to 8bars and chopping away :) http://thecovertoperators.groc.org/operator_a/Machinate_-_Glimmer.mp3 (NOTE: mp3-file may or may not contain horrible singing and sloppy hiphop-beats - please disregard! hehe) Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 08:10:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F25A3BEF9; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IKSqfeTRkWEn49ypysJthVijNohX7UOh3FqUTv33djkm2F/wGqxQ3xPOsMG5Din4dec5rlHiD9bzm6Eb+S/BtH1wtvAwpuXV5DizpvSP8v2pF1dh29z0NBC0Nlki/h9PdXODarCwbZ65CZ5CJ1x5WsYrBDbxPs0tGDRQSdIwd04= ; Message-ID: <20060211081014.17266.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5BB6FD1A-74C6-4654-9F4E-8CFA27432AC0@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend system? This would interest me because i play the spanish guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques but my mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for that and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge to get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i havent found a satisfying system for nylon string that i like but i just installed a trance audio transducer system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that is not suited for spanish guitars. Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: > > > Rodrigo y Gabriela > > http://www.rodgab.com/index.html > > Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig > here in Stockholm. > Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very nice > people and what > a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in each > guitar and skilled > old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA through > 24 channels, > properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge > drum kit with > percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish > Guitar cold produce > such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 08:47:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E3293BEEA; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gnc7UpLUNVFNoP/8BTV0bjt740bHaRto90t862aNqM4cntOpIev+9IpSvHa/Ac8UOAubcImn7GxWZrk8DYgak2xEYK1El4SX9u8l5J15kmArdWuOASHZJv4qf1weYRs6J3ydsNSw61H5t+sqVv3bY6JX3En8RE2bIJbdGQQ9wfQ= ; Message-ID: <20060211084732.12071.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:47:32 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43ED9A8E.90105@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:47:34 +0000 (UTC) thanks andreas! this is what i'm curious about with everyone here. i do get stuck in the loop quite a bit lol; must do what faulkner says and 'kill those darlings' indeed. on the other hand people often say my music has a hypnotic, trance-like quality (probably due to the repetitions hehe)... thanks for sharing the track - good stuff! --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > r i c k m o n d wrote: > > > so what/how does looping function for you? > > I recently got into the whole > cutting/dividing/replace thing, so getting > stuck in the loop has been changed into a one-shot, > thank g*d. My looper > does adjustable fades when going into replace, so I > can do evolving > stuff a bit more intuitively than turning down the > feedback - also, on > longer lines replacing a smaller fragment of the > soundscape doesn't mess > with the overall structure of the piece, making it a > lot less daunting - > it basically turns replace into a smooth, dynamic > "reduce feedback, then > overdub, then increase feedback after going out of > overdub"-function, > which I really like. (As an aside, do you call it > Insert or Replace? I'm > not quite hip to the lingo these days :-s ) > > But the best part still has to be: > A: Degrading the loop and chopping into it with > effects in the feedback > chain - highpass filtering is especially good for me > - and reversing > stuff in there as well. > B: Changing the loop length in my looper causes > divides, not > pitch-changes, so I can do a quick 1/16th note > stutter burst, jump back > out to 1 bar, and the stutters are locked in the > loop - all this is > probably old news to hardcore EDP-users, but it's > pretty new ground for > me, so I am very happy with it! > > All in all these methods provide some good tools for > deconstruction and > recontextualization of a soundscape, which are so > fun that getting stuck > isn't happening all that often - the only times it > does is when I get > into a really good loop, with succesfull effect > chops, good harmonies, > really good timing etc in a neat little package. At > that point I *need* > to sample the loop before moving on, I'm not > hardened enough to kill my > darlings yet. > > I've uploaded a quick mp3 highlighting some of the > deconstruction > methods I use - the track is an all-live recording, > just voice and drum > samples being triggered in real-time. I reckon it > gets interesting at 1 > minutes 30 seconds into the song where I start > breaking down the loop > quite a bit, by going from a 1bar loop to 8bars and > chopping away :) > > http://thecovertoperators.groc.org/operator_a/Machinate_-_Glimmer.mp3 > (NOTE: mp3-file may or may not contain horrible > singing and sloppy > hiphop-beats - please disregard! hehe) > > Andreas > > "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music from IZZ's new CD to compensate for their postponed concert at the New Nersey Proghouse which is being rescheduled because of the severe weather forecast for tonight. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. 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name="crpshpofum.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <0B36D7E1.43951F4@edutechbrandon.com> R0lGODdhAwDIAIAAAPz6/Pz+/CwAAAAAAwDIAAACT0xgicl965SBEtC4EL37RmaBhzROoeN5k/iV q6u52IvGanmqXAOdKN+SAWmkjw8XbGV+yVGuCY1KU8XqDeO7LpXESpXLmvUeMSMTxrwOAQUAOw== --------------873353828151737814583145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 12:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881833BEF3; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <00d801c62ec6$8280f6d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00d801c62ec6$8280f6d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4cd20e0f768fc8403d776aa82877a553@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: LOOPING ACOUSTIC DRUMSET INVENTION Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:16:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:16:49 +0000 (UTC) yeah man pictures and sound please as I am still trying to imagine what this looks like. geoff On 11 Feb 2006, at 04:49, loop.pool wrote: > Dave said: > "Very cool ideas, I forwarded this to a couple of drummers I know who > are pursuing similar concepts. Rick, we need pictures and audio clips! > " > > > Errrrr, I've been sick as a dog for the past week with a bad viral > sinus infection, > have missed a lot of work and have a pretty heavy schedule for the > next few weeks > so I doubt I"ll be able to oblige that request any time soon, but I > will when I put it together again to > do some recording. Lately I've been playing a lot of traditional > jazz gigs, professionally, so > the drumsets in my drum teaching studio are set up with different > styles of jazz kits for practise purposes. > > I don't know why I haven't recorded with it yet. I mean > I have, but I used it to loop a few times and didn't record the gigs. > > I'll get to it, though. Thanks for your interest. > > Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 13:15:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D40313BEEA; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43ED9A8E.90105@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43ED9A8E.90105@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:15:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-xCdJD.A.5S.YNe7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:04 +0000 (UTC) On 11 feb 2006, at 09.04, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > http://thecovertoperators.groc.org/operator_a/Machinate_-_Glimmer.mp3 Very inspiring sounds! What's "the looper" you are talking about in your post, that you were using for that mash-up? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 13:49:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC14F3BEEE; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060211081014.17266.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060211081014.17266.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:49:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, I just listened back to the interview we did yesterday to fresh up my memory, and they do not use the Fishman Rare Earth system. Rod and Gab plays nylon stringed guitars, built by Frank Tate in Belfast. They are designed like Flamenco or Spanish Classical guitars but with some changes. Rod's guitar has a thinner neck, because he plays all the fast running scales (they started out as trash metal players and he can not re-learn his left hand to run over a normally thick spanish guitar neck). Rod's guitar also has a thinner body to give him a thinner sound that will be able to cut trough on the single- string melodies he plays with a pick. Gabrielas guitar is more similar to the traditional Flamenco guitar, more suitable for her "aggressive drum kit" playing style. She uses a kind of re-worked flamenco right hand technique to create sounds all over the sonic spectrum - from low kick drum to sharp castanjetas. Both guitars are equipped with the Fishman Blender, stereo version. This stereo version allows the sound engineer to separate different frequencies in a better way than with the normal Fishman mics. As I said in the other post he is also dividing the two guitar stereo signals by EQ to treat different bands differently. I guess by applying different compression - that's the only thing I can think of that would create such a massive "guitar percussion" sound live. In total 24 mixer channels is used to set the live sound. The live engineer has been working with them for years and they did the sound check in seven minutes. Everything already worked out, except for adjusting for the venue's acoustics (settings that will have to be changed anyway during the first song when the room is filled with the audience). They told me there will be a new Fishman available in a couple of months that will allow a better placement inside the guitar body. Couldn't find any info on that on the Fishman web site though. per Frank Tate from Belfast. On 11 feb 2006, at 09.10, Luis Angulo wrote: > Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend system? > This would interest me because i play the spanish > guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques but my > mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for that > and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge to > get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i > havent found a satisfying system for nylon string that > i like but i just installed a trance audio transducer > system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that is > not suited for spanish guitars. > Luis > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: >> >>> Rodrigo y Gabriela >>> http://www.rodgab.com/index.html >> >> Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig >> here in Stockholm. >> Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very nice >> people and what >> a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in each >> guitar and skilled >> old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA through >> 24 channels, >> properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge >> drum kit with >> percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish >> Guitar cold produce >> such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 14:15:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBA6D3BEE8; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43EDF17C.9040009@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:15:24 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? References: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43ED9A8E.90105@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:15:29 +0000 (UTC) oh, I forgot to mention that - it's my reaktor-patch. I plan to add it to the Reaktor User Library once it's done - either that or do a dedicated website for it, since it is quite complex and could do with some explanations. Andreas Per Boysen wrote: > On 11 feb 2006, at 09.04, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> http://thecovertoperators.groc.org/operator_a/Machinate_-_Glimmer.mp3 > > Very inspiring sounds! What's "the looper" you are talking about in your > post, that you were using for that mash-up? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 15:00:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A653BEF1; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:56:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for February 11, 2006 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Message-id: <43EDFB38.9000307@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:00:23 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060211.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #82 February 11, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Steve Roach Immersion: One * Immersion: One (Projekt) VA [Johannes Friends Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) Schmoelling] VA [Jovica Storer] Quark Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) VA [Rogue Element] Thoughts for Dead Leaf Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) Motion Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Louis Landon I Can See Unwind (LCI) Fred Lykes In Dreams Star Bound (none) Dougie MacLean Song for Johnny Inside the Thunder (Dunkeld) Barbara Lusch Now, Baby, Or Never Barbara Lusch (Blush) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ IZZ I Move I Move (Doone) IZZ Weak Little Lad I Move (Doone) IZZ I Already Know I Move (Doone) IZZ I Wanna Win I Move (Doone) IZZ All the New I Move (Doone) IZZ Deafening Silence My River Flows (Doone) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on February 25. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 15:21:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0AC83BEFC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.029226 secs Process 12542) Message-ID: <4521.88.111.27.53.1139671295.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <5BB6FD1A-74C6-4654-9F4E-8CFA27432AC0@boysen.se> <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:21:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Up until recently, my looping tools have been kept very simple: One instrument (electric violin), 1 effects unit, going into a DL4. The simpler the equipment, the more freedom the music has (at least in my experience). My theory is once you add complexities into the hardware setup, it distracts the subconcious musical part of the brain. I am very much into pure live looping. The loops are never altered in any way - no post FX, no pitch or tempo changes (except very few /x2's)... everything that you hear in the loops are what was faithfully performed live. I also like the lack of undo feature in the DL4... mistakes have to be incorporated or a new loop has to quickly take over. Looping with a single DL4 is a very organic experience. I'm now moving on from the DL4, and currently have a laptop setup (SooperLooper), and am using multiple instruments (keyboards, mandola, flutes, violins, lap slide guitar)... The looping is becoming much more complex, but I am keeping a lot of the pure live looping ethics... - Stu http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 16:01:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87183BEEA; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.029023 secs Process 15623) Message-ID: <3242.88.111.27.53.1139673698.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd20e0f768fc8403d776aa82877a553@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <00d801c62ec6$8280f6d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4cd20e0f768fc8403d776aa82877a553@bluecocoa.co.uk> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:01:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: SKB PS100E Pedalboards on ebay From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2uvimC.A.knF.ipg7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:01:38 +0000 (UTC) I've just purchased a SKB PS100E pedalboard off of ebay to house most of my looping rig. I remember seeing these for sale a few years ago, and the retail price I was quoted by a local PA specialist was quite high - £150-£200 if my memory is correct. Ive just seen them new on ebay.co.uk for £69.99 (£10 P&P). Item number: 7388498508 For those who don't know, the discontinued PS100E is a pedalboard with a 3u angled rack (great for EDP/Repeater etc or monitor), with enough space on the board for a variety of pedals (alas, too small for FCB1010), built in power supply and 2 effects loops. I've just had one, so there are 3 left to purchase. If you need somewhere to house your chaos, then you cant go wrong with one of these.... :) Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 16:49:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 971C53BEF6; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matilists@atarde.com.br@pop3.atarde.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051228125611.0b226ef0@loopers-delight.com> References: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <6.1.2.0.2.20051228125611.0b226ef0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:01:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The Dark Age Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavis at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Kim had some free time to write at the end of the year, a quite interesting post. Being of a different generation and space, I try to complete, although a month later :-) I left Europe in the mid 80ies because it was too dark for me and I really was afraid of the atomic bomb. May believed in Orvells prediction for '84... But then I was cought by the new Age movement, so I was much less pessimistic than in the 70ies, which were not so positive either. Youth had lost two battles: '68 distroyed the political perspectives for a just world '80 distroyed the cultural perspectives for free pluralistic expression and left the most creative people in prison and despair. but '84 gave new hope that in 2000 there would be a spiritual evolution - which really did happen to some extent. Kraftwerk maybe was less known in US because of the lyrics but every German of that time remembers them by "Farn farn farn auf der Autobahn" I remember they came important years later than Black Sabath and had a completely different public (white socks instead of worn out leather) and a very different kind of darkness, much more bored than agressive. I hated both :-) For me the musical value of the 70ies was "Art Rock" (Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes...) and "Jazz Rock" (Mahavishnu and all its members bands...) and the mix of both (Bruford, BrandX...) So yes, I am one that missed the whole Rap, Techno and such development. I saw it, but it went the wrong way for my perception. I do not feel obliged to know all music, even though I work for the music market - maybe a weakness of my products/marketing. but its hard to create something you dont really believe in well... and all business people and orakles told me that marketing was not my task/talent... in the 70ies the production of an LP was so expensive that it was possible to own all LPs that were released of a certain style, or to know most of the whole Rock movement, as I did. In the 80ies production became cheap and it did not make sense any more to go to record stores and listen to all they had. In the 90ies it became easier again through internet, but the number of styles and mixes has become so huge and undefined that I find it impossible to even have an idea of all that happens. plus, by living in Brasil, I participate in a completely different movement which also offers a huge variety of interesting stuff! >It goes back to that context thing we discussed previously. The >music of the 80's reflected the times, as well as the life >experiences of the youth who were mostly creating and listening to >it. If you can't put yourself into that context you won't get it. >Growing up in the 70's and 80's didn't look like the "leave it to >beaver" reruns we watched on TV. For us "genXers" our formative >years were filled with recessions, oil crisis, 3 mile island, >nuclear annihilation threats, hostages, post vietnam/watergate >cynicism, cold war, AIDS, crack, "evil empires", iran/contra, >shallow yuppie greed, moral majority, S&L collapse, etc. The times >were pessimistic and cynical and harsh, and so was the music. We >didn't put flowers in our hair; we had Slayer. > >Also, our generation's culture was (still is) perpetually >overshadowed by the huge demographic glut of baby-boomer culture. >That plays into it somehow as well. > >(this was the American version/perspective anyway, in other parts of >the world I think it worked out differently.) > >I think the growing-up experiences of the baby-boomer generation >were really, really different from this. The 50's and 60's were >times of economic boom and prosperity in America, as well as a time >of optimism and a belief in changing the "system" for the better. >Times and attitudes were more positive and happy and idealistic. On >the other hand, the good economy and "times of plenty" of their >formative years I think also led to a bit of self-indulgent behavior >among many in that generation, a world-view of "we want it, give it >to us". A sort of spoiled child effect. (the "Me Generation" label >always struck me as fitting.) All of this I find reflected in the >music and culture of those times. > >And here is where the clash comes, which I find really interesting. >I think there is much more to it than "kids rebel" / "parents don't >get it". I think these two generations of people, on the level of >values and aesthetic choices, really don't understand each other at >all. I think most baby-boomers, when confronted in the 80's with >stuff like Slayer or the Cure or Depeche Mode or Public Enemy or >Juan Atkins' techno or whichever, just couldn't relate to it on an >emotional/aesthetic level. I think this resulted in a lot of >knee-jerk reactions; that we slackers only produced crap and >couldn't live up to the supposedly glorious era of Woodstock and the >summer of love. (it still results in that reaction, as evidenced by >this thread on this list.) > >I know from my perspective, I've never been able to relate to most >of the baby-boomer era's music and culture. Or what I do connect to >is not the same elements the baby-boomers themselves wish to >nostalgize endlessly in VH1 documentaries. I can listen and >appreciate easily enough, in a historical/academic way, but the >music mostly doesn't connect with me emotionally. I know I'm not >alone among genXers in this. Curiously, I've always found it much >easier to relate to and understand my grandmother's generation, >whether it was sitting down and talking to them or listening to >their music. They clearly didn't understand the baby-boomers either >(and vice-versa), and I think it is because their own cultural >values were formed under such dramatically different conditions >(economic depressions, world wars), and perhaps a bit more similar >to ours. > >Somehow, this difference of context has a big impact on culture and >music specifically, and I think we really need to consider it >carefully when trying to judge something from one era or another. > >Several times now I've had a really amusing conversation, discussing >the most influential music of the last xx years with groups of >musically/culturally knowledgeable people. Of course people tend to >overweight their own era, but it is really interesting to see what >different groups of people consider important about one specific >period. For me, being from the later genX generation, two names that >immediately jump to the top of the influential music list from the >late-60's/early-70's boomer era are Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk. >Both of these held huge influence over the music of the 80's, when I >was growing up. The eventual sounds of Rap, Metal, Techno, Synth >Pop, New Wave, and Industrial drew considerably from the aesthetic >and sound of these two groups. To me that seems obvious, being an >80s kid. Certainly pop-music historians have been citing Kraftwerk >as one of the most influential groups of the last century for some >time now, as they were such a big influence on early Rap, Techno, >Industrial, and New Wave. But invariably, the baby-boomer members of >these discussions have never heard of Kraftwerk! I always find this >really surprising. How can you produce one of the most influential >groups ever and not know who they were? Name recognition of Black >Sabbath is usually better, but they are mostly not on the boomer's >list either. > >To me this is amusing, but also illustrative of this divide in >cultural aesthetic. Black Sabbath and Kraftwerk were both reflecting >a cold darkness in their music that the next generation was really >going to respond to during their "dark age", but most of their own >generation didn't understand. We noticed their music and ran with >it. Meanwhile, from my perspective it was really hard to look back >at that era and understand what the big deal was about Jimi Hendrix >or Bob Dylan or many other such artists. It was only when I tried to >understand the context of their time that I understood it at all. >But I still don't relate to it. > >I also find it really interesting how we pick out musical examples >from other eras based on our own era's cultural aesthetic. How when >I consider the 60s/70s era of music, I immediately think of rather >unusual groups for their times, like Kraftwerk or Black Sabbath, >because those are the bits I understand. Or how boomers look at the >80's and mostly see examples of rock music that was really a >vestigal remnant of their own era, like Journey or Def Leppard, and >don't know anything about rap or techno or industrial or new wave or >metal or even punk. we miss all the interesting stuff. > >Maybe that's a point I'm arriving at here. You need the context to >both understand and find what is good. We obviously miss a lot. It >leaves me wondering about what we may be missing about the present. >If the life experiences of someone born circa-1950 can be so >different from those of someone born circa-1970 as to result in such >different music, what about those born circa-1990? The context of >their formative years produces... what? Are we missing it? > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 18:06:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D14E3BEF8; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <6.1.2.0.2.20051228125611.0b226ef0@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:06:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:06:10 +0000 (UTC) On 11 feb 2006, at 16.01, Matthias Grob wrote: > plus, by living in Brasil, I participate in a completely different > movement which also offers a huge variety of interesting stuff! That's a great opportunity! Settling in a different part of the world and start taking in the music that is hot in your new environment. I admire your courage in taking that big step! I did it in a much smaller scale in the early nineties by living four months at Cap Verde. Right when I got there I met a Cap Verdian guitarrist and we started to play acoustic guitar duo stuff together. I was so amazed to find out that those guys still loved the Al Di Meola and Brand-X music I had been so involved with in the seventies. It was like time had been standing still for fifteen years for them. At first I felt uncomfortable with the situation, leaving "my cool stuff" back in Sweden (Dead Can DAnce, Coctau Twins, Xenakis, Cabaret Voltaire, Jon Hassel, Nico, Kowalski etc) and suddenly being "back on square one". But then we started playing delta blues and Morna, the traditional Cap Verdian folk music style and crossing these two styles into something that became very popular (rendering us some "big" gigs). For the first time I understood how refreshing it can be to play something different than you are usually listening to (although I had done that as a pro musician, but that's different as being a job). The effect on your musicianship is similar to moving over to a different instrument (or playing backwards like Zawinul did - as some pointed out earlier on this list), you regain the perspective on what music is about. That perspective can be lost if listening and performing the same style all over... well, at least if you're quite young. As time goes by you get a better feel for "the real thing" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 19:21:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B13D3BEFF; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060211105019.01a82f10@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:21:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: References: <52353.24.23.212.71.1135721403.squirrel@www.envelopeproductions.com> <000001c60b34$ceea14d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <6.1.2.0.2.20051228125611.0b226ef0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <9JfRzD.A.7bE.0kj7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Kim wrote: >Maybe that's a point I'm arriving at here. You need the context to >both understand and find what is good. We obviously miss a lot. It >leaves me wondering about what we may be missing about the present. >If the life experiences of someone born circa-1950 can be so >different from those of someone born circa-1970 as to result in such >different music, what about those born circa-1990? The context of >their formative years produces... what? Are we missing it? Yes, we're missing it. People tend to stick with the music that comes from or grows from the music they listened to at high school and college age. I don't which comes first, the cultural referent or the age that you listen to the music. There's certainly a correlation between culture and music but I don't know if it's a causal effect. Back to missing stuff. Today's music has exploded in its diversity and availability. There is more music out there that you would like than you will ever hear.. The question is finding it. There are friends (especially young friends), collaborative filtering sites like MusicStrands.com and social network sites like MySpace.com where you can find lots of good music. But that isn't all of it. I would put it to you that, unless you live in the Arctic or something, there is very good music being played close to where you live. It may not be your favorite, but it could become it. But sitting in your living room or in front of your PC you're going to miss it. Live music is declining. The reason is so many musicians, so few venues, so few club-goers. Most of us stay home and listen to music there. Most musicians can't get paid decently. It isn't the club-owner's fault--he needs bodies buying drinks to make money so he can pay money. So I'd like to offer a New Year's resolution. Listen to a live musician once a week or once a month. If you're already doing this, thank you. If the clubs are no good in your town then check the other venues, the ones posted on telephone poles and bulletin boards. Check out house concerts. Have a music party and jam with a bunch of other folks, especially folks who play really different music from what you listen to. Music isn't a commodity it's a community. Who was it iwho said, "I don't want to smash the state, I want my own f*ing state."? Looper's Delight is one such state whose citizens are grounded in looping music. Make another, different state based in your neighborhood. If you're doing this already, thank you. Respectfully, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 19:21:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B37473BF20; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,105,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="816957620:sNHT17403968" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3242.88.111.27.53.1139673698.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> References: <00d801c62ec6$8280f6d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4cd20e0f768fc8403d776aa82877a553@bluecocoa.co.uk> <3242.88.111.27.53.1139673698.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: SKB PS100E Pedalboards on ebay Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:21:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Ahhh,. .the Ps100 I bought one of those a couple years ago to house my "small" rig (an EPD, a Vortex, and a bunch of pedals). It's pretty darn handy . . . and light-weight too (compared to a full 16-space shock mount rack at least). Fit's in the trunk (boot) of a standard size American sedan too (along with my amp). However, I'm getting kind of bored playing mono through only one little 65 watt combo though. It doesn't show of the Vortex to it's full potential. I'm going to play the next few gigs with the really "big" rig. I'll hang on to the PS and my smaller "special opps" setup (as coined by Mark Sottilaro) for the foreseeable future though. However, the PS100 was a good solution. I'm surprised it didn't become more popular. I guess it looked a little to "Jetson-y" as people moved away for big racks to pedals and a more stripped-down approach. I think I paid $125.00 for my SKP PS100 via Ebay from some guy in Wisconsin or someplace. It was used but in brand new shape, had all of the parts pieces and little bits. And, the power supply works just swell too. Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've just purchased a SKB PS100E pedalboard off of ebay to house most=20= > of > my looping rig. I remember seeing these for sale a few years ago, and=20= > the > retail price I was quoted by a local PA specialist was quite high - > =A3150-=A3200 if my memory is correct. > > Ive just seen them new on ebay.co.uk for =A369.99 (=A310 P&P). > Item number: 7388498508 > > For those who don't know, the discontinued PS100E is a pedalboard with=20= > a > 3u angled rack (great for EDP/Repeater etc or monitor), with enough=20 > space > on the board for a variety of pedals (alas, too small for FCB1010),=20 > built > in power supply and 2 effects loops. > > I've just had one, so there are 3 left to purchase. If you need=20 > somewhere > to house your chaos, then you cant go wrong with one of these.... :)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 19:21:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048743BF26; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020a01c62f40$5a5af280$68b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: <'boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com'>, , Cc: "Hartung, Kris" Subject: Improv Real-Time Looping Performance Streamed to Web - Tonight! Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:21:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 468, in=216463, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:21:32 +0000 (UTC) This should be interesting. Elijah and I have never met in person before. This will be my last free improv performance for a while.... Improvisational Real-Time Looping Performance Streamed to Web - Tonight! Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar, Looping, Computer Generated Sound Effects Elijah Jensen - A guitar pickup and string, glass, various sound generating devices, looping, etc Streamed world-wide to the web in real-time at http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Date: February 11, 2006 Time: 8-10pm Mountain (Boise), 7-9pm Pacific (San Francisco), 9-11pm Central (Houston), 10-11pm Eastern (Boston) Venue: Moxie Java (Cherry Lane and Linder, Meridian, Idaho) Cost: Free **************************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Are you Xperienced? http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 20:59:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936C63BEFA; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:59:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060207010235.01d601e8@TheNettles.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:59:32 +0000 (UTC) >From what Kim described, it sounds like that might have helped :) Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper >--- William Walker wrote: > > No, it was under glass. At 10:55 PM 2/6/2006, John wrote: >Well, that's not a very interesting feature. you mean phillip glass was _sitting_ on it? that's an _interesting_ feature. tom of music thing seems quite taken with it: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/01/big-awesome-looking-looper-from.html Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 21:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D93FC3BF02; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060207065552.79669.qmail@web34810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_-4R4B.A.tK.YDl7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:02:16 +0000 (UTC) I didn't think so either:) But I had so little time on Saturday and did not think to ask for a demo. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:56 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Questions about EHX Looper Well, that's not a very interesting feature. :) John --- William Walker wrote: > No, it was under glass. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Questions about EHX Looper > > > Did anyone see a demo of the Electro-Harmonix looper > at NAMM? I assume it would have some interesting > features. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 21:24:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F423BEFC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43EE561A.3000408@biink.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:24:42 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2/11: call for performers for open loop References: <43EB826A.2010500@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <43EB826A.2010500@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:24:33 +0000 (UTC) David Beardsley wrote: > Louis Rossi wrote: > >> Sorry folks that was for Tom... The owner is hoping to make some >> revenue off the day as business has been hurting so a little pressure :( > > > But it's a fact of life. That's what bar owners want, music that > brings in customers. > > Depending on the weather and how I feel, I might make the track out to > Brooklyn and tip a couple of jars. > No trecking today, too much weather. Metal plate in leg, no like snow or ice. Hopefully there will be a open loop next month. say cheese. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 21:36:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079043BEFC; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Was Rodrigo y Gabriela /Pickups for classical guitars Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:35:59 +0000 (UTC) The newer fishman blender units that combine and under saddle transducer and mic, with a non evasive soundhole mounted control surface, sound very nice, however beware just how touchy the mic side of things can be, you know the shreaking feedback back kind that makes us temporarily forget why we came to the gig in the first place. I was under the impression that the trance can work for classical guitar but I'm not sure. For my money, I like the DTAR Timberline undersaddle pickup that my friend Rick Turner helped design. OK I'm biased, but I heard it installed in his Ramirez classical and it sounded better than any system I've heard so far, including my RMC which I like, and am attached to somewhat because of its roland GK capabiltity. But the Timberline had a higher voltage preamp running on 2 AA batteries with a voltage tripling cuircut pushing a full 18 volts, and the extra headroom translated in to better dynamic range, cleaner high end, and less of the dreaded quack. I'm seriously considering yanking my roland ready RMC pickup out of my flamenco guitar in favor of a timberline, however, I'm holding out another year or so to see if Roland will once again step up to the plate and come out with a guitar synth, with an actual real sound engine and a deep enough interface that a pro could love. I read every ones rants about the state of guitar synthesis with great empathy, since I been playing there stuff since the early 80's when I had a roland strat style guitar and a blue GR300 module, Ive seen roland go through the process of building up and dumbing down there products for a while now, and I'm holding out hope, that they are going to come up with something new that might perhaps touch on both the GR synth stuff but the VG8 modeling as well. Something that can satisfy both crowds. Let's wait and see. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela Hi Luis, I just listened back to the interview we did yesterday to fresh up my memory, and they do not use the Fishman Rare Earth system. Rod and Gab plays nylon stringed guitars, built by Frank Tate in Belfast. They are designed like Flamenco or Spanish Classical guitars but with some changes. Rod's guitar has a thinner neck, because he plays all the fast running scales (they started out as trash metal players and he can not re-learn his left hand to run over a normally thick spanish guitar neck). Rod's guitar also has a thinner body to give him a thinner sound that will be able to cut trough on the single- string melodies he plays with a pick. Gabrielas guitar is more similar to the traditional Flamenco guitar, more suitable for her "aggressive drum kit" playing style. She uses a kind of re-worked flamenco right hand technique to create sounds all over the sonic spectrum - from low kick drum to sharp castanjetas. Both guitars are equipped with the Fishman Blender, stereo version. This stereo version allows the sound engineer to separate different frequencies in a better way than with the normal Fishman mics. As I said in the other post he is also dividing the two guitar stereo signals by EQ to treat different bands differently. I guess by applying different compression - that's the only thing I can think of that would create such a massive "guitar percussion" sound live. In total 24 mixer channels is used to set the live sound. The live engineer has been working with them for years and they did the sound check in seven minutes. Everything already worked out, except for adjusting for the venue's acoustics (settings that will have to be changed anyway during the first song when the room is filled with the audience). They told me there will be a new Fishman available in a couple of months that will allow a better placement inside the guitar body. Couldn't find any info on that on the Fishman web site though. per Frank Tate from Belfast. On 11 feb 2006, at 09.10, Luis Angulo wrote: > Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend system? > This would interest me because i play the spanish > guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques but my > mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for that > and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge to > get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i > havent found a satisfying system for nylon string that > i like but i just installed a trance audio transducer > system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that is > not suited for spanish guitars. > Luis > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: >> >>> Rodrigo y Gabriela >>> http://www.rodgab.com/index.html >> >> Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig >> here in Stockholm. >> Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very nice >> people and what >> a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in each >> guitar and skilled >> old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA through >> 24 channels, >> properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge >> drum kit with >> percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish >> Guitar cold produce >> such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 11 23:12:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032423BEFE; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: SKB PS100E Pedalboards on ebay Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYvQF61Vwc11GICQOS9sAvsl8sXbQAH5p3w Message-Id: <20060211231228.6CFD13BEF8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:12:29 +0000 (UTC) I still have mine despite buckling under band pressure to buy a square = rack. We named every piece of gear so that we could call for stuff by name = when loading the truck at the end of the night. For example, we call the merchandise rack 'my dick' because it was the largest case in the truck = and it took 2 or three of us to move it. the drummer dubbed the ps100 'the unstackable' because it always needed to be the top case in a stack of = road cases. ----Original Message----- From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SKB PS100E Pedalboards on ebay Ahhh,. .the Ps100 I bought one of those a couple years ago to house my "small" rig (an EPD, a Vortex, and a bunch of pedals). It's pretty darn handy . . . and light-weight too (compared to a full 16-space shock mount rack at least). Fit's in the trunk (boot) of a standard size American sedan too (along with my amp). However, I'm getting kind of bored playing mono through only one little 65 watt combo though. It doesn't show of the Vortex to it's full potential. I'm going to play the next few gigs with the really "big" rig. I'll hang on to the PS and my smaller "special opps" setup (as coined by Mark Sottilaro) for the foreseeable future though. However, the PS100 was a good solution. I'm surprised it didn't become more popular. I guess it looked a little to "Jetson-y" as people moved away for big racks to pedals and a more stripped-down approach. I think I paid $125.00 for my SKP PS100 via Ebay from some guy in Wisconsin or someplace. It was used but in brand new shape, had all of the parts pieces and little bits. And, the power supply works just swell too. Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I've just purchased a SKB PS100E pedalboard off of ebay to house most=20 > of > my looping rig. I remember seeing these for sale a few years ago, and=20 > the > retail price I was quoted by a local PA specialist was quite high - > =A3150-=A3200 if my memory is correct. > > Ive just seen them new on ebay.co.uk for =A369.99 (=A310 P&P). > Item number: 7388498508 > > For those who don't know, the discontinued PS100E is a pedalboard with = > a > 3u angled rack (great for EDP/Repeater etc or monitor), with enough=20 > space > on the board for a variety of pedals (alas, too small for FCB1010),=20 > built > in power supply and 2 effects loops. > > I've just had one, so there are 3 left to purchase. 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TTYL, Ralph Templeton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:02:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420933BF02; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w0FhHfgTOVaq9kRop43MrZlQczzFUCNEAVcY6/w6GG5p83/ddBu5O2mUKTZR0/iytXf4FCVthLkhyvGk49sOJczdqGWeZ6ZQ9SVLffu51Ve7IhOYTQS1GPuJY+9NSziPYS7JqO+SaJVSSCeF2AUaRE473GfUMSDvtpgQ44PR5kI= ; Message-ID: <20060212120250.43407.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per,i did try the rare earth but wasnt that impressed but this stereo system seems interesting.With the trance audio you have one input and 2 outputs from the 2 internal transducers,sticked to the wood inside the guitar under the saddle,one directly underneath the treble strings and the other under the bass strings.They are incredible transparent and pick up every little nuisance so the whole instrument becomes a drum.The only disadvantage is the cable which is a special stereo one from the company. I jst recently saw a couple of guys playing acoustics with different systems, one was using a very expensive lowden with a b-band system and the other guy was playing an inexpensive factory takamine.I was amazed how good the sound of the takamine player was so i went to check out his guitar and he had one with the new CTP-1 system http://www.takamine.com/?fa=cooltube but i dont think they are selling the system separately.Its truly amazing! There are also really inexpensive transducers like the Hepcat pickups that you can install additionally to a piezo or magnetic to drum on your guitar and they sound fantastic only for that but i have yet to see this systems on spanish guitars... Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Luis, > > I just listened back to the interview we did > yesterday to fresh up my > memory, and they do not use the Fishman Rare Earth > system. Rod and > Gab plays nylon stringed guitars, built by Frank > Tate in Belfast. > They are designed like Flamenco or Spanish Classical > guitars but with > some changes. Rod's guitar has a thinner neck, > because he plays all > the fast running scales (they started out as trash > metal players and > he can not re-learn his left hand to run over a > normally thick > spanish guitar neck). Rod's guitar also has a > thinner body to give > him a thinner sound that will be able to cut trough > on the single- > string melodies he plays with a pick. Gabrielas > guitar is more > similar to the traditional Flamenco guitar, more > suitable for her > "aggressive drum kit" playing style. She uses a kind > of re-worked > flamenco right hand technique to create sounds all > over the sonic > spectrum - from low kick drum to sharp castanjetas. > Both guitars are > equipped with the Fishman Blender, stereo version. > This stereo > version allows the sound engineer to separate > different frequencies > in a better way than with the normal Fishman mics. > As I said in the > other post he is also dividing the two guitar stereo > signals by EQ to > treat different bands differently. I guess by > applying different > compression - that's the only thing I can think of > that would create > such a massive "guitar percussion" sound live. In > total 24 mixer > channels is used to set the live sound. The live > engineer has been > working with them for years and they did the sound > check in seven > minutes. Everything already worked out, except for > adjusting for the > venue's acoustics (settings that will have to be > changed anyway > during the first song when the room is filled with > the audience). > They told me there will be a new Fishman available > in a couple of > months that will allow a better placement inside the > guitar body. > Couldn't find any info on that on the Fishman web > site though. > > per > > Frank Tate from Belfast. > > On 11 feb 2006, at 09.10, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend > system? > > This would interest me because i play the spanish > > guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques > but my > > mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for > that > > and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge > to > > get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i > > havent found a satisfying system for nylon string > that > > i like but i just installed a trance audio > transducer > > system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that > is > > not suited for spanish guitars. > > Luis > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: > >> > >>> Rodrigo y Gabriela > >>> http://www.rodgab.com/index.html > >> > >> Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig > >> here in Stockholm. > >> Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very > nice > >> people and what > >> a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in > each > >> guitar and skilled > >> old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA > through > >> 24 channels, > >> properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge > >> drum kit with > >> percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish > >> Guitar cold produce > >> such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:18:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881853BF0A; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4M8MPEsMcjB9ZrCjiIbiQEavManbOxSIs5jfDH76afqv1iGJbQdvqZdgc6xEeJtGX6ICOxZPerp6oHCZPjh30wedpFGKPXOlZzxhAQMvZ5i1tvzmYop4alx6XWgp4ByNYo5oK9n7uMDvsuSpQKMyVARCRQXvvXewhhFGsEW2SEA= ; Message-ID: <20060212121838.39449.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:18:38 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Was Rodrigo y Gabriela /Pickups for classical guitars To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, i know exactly what u mean man, i tried the system and thats one of the reasons why i didnt go for it!unfortunately the trance audio doesnt work for spanish guitars because they use fan bracing,where the braces run over the bridgeplate and block the area where the pickups need to mount, and so are unsuitable for installation.I love the trance audio although i see a lot of cats use it with an additional magnetic or piezo, and i think its because this system doesnt respond as good like a piezo or magnetic does if you want to use effects or play slide for example.I have never used a magnetic,do you think this would be a better option than a piezo? Luis --- William Walker wrote: > The newer fishman blender units that combine and > under saddle transducer and > mic, with a non evasive soundhole mounted control > surface, sound very nice, > however beware just how touchy the mic side of > things can be, you know the > shreaking feedback back kind that makes us > temporarily forget why we came to > the gig in the first place. I was under the > impression that the trance can > work for classical guitar but I'm not sure. For my > money, I like the DTAR > Timberline undersaddle pickup that my friend Rick > Turner helped design. OK > I'm biased, but I heard it installed in his Ramirez > classical and it > sounded better than any system I've heard so far, > including my RMC which I > like, and am attached to somewhat because of its > roland GK capabiltity. But > the Timberline had a higher voltage preamp running > on 2 AA batteries with a > voltage tripling cuircut pushing a full 18 volts, > and the extra headroom > translated in to better dynamic range, cleaner high > end, and less of the > dreaded quack. I'm seriously considering yanking my > roland ready RMC pickup > out of my flamenco guitar in favor of a timberline, > however, I'm holding out > another year or so to see if Roland will once again > step up to the plate and > come out with a guitar synth, with an actual real > sound engine and a deep > enough interface that a pro could love. I read every > ones rants about the > state of guitar synthesis with great empathy, since > I been playing there > stuff since the early 80's when I had a roland strat > style guitar and a blue > GR300 module, Ive seen roland go through the process > of building up and > dumbing down there products for a while now, and I'm > holding out hope, that > they are going to come up with something new that > might perhaps touch on > both the GR synth stuff but the VG8 modeling as > well. Something that can > satisfy both crowds. Let's wait and see. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:49 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela > > > Hi Luis, > > I just listened back to the interview we did > yesterday to fresh up my > memory, and they do not use the Fishman Rare Earth > system. Rod and > Gab plays nylon stringed guitars, built by Frank > Tate in Belfast. > They are designed like Flamenco or Spanish Classical > guitars but with > some changes. Rod's guitar has a thinner neck, > because he plays all > the fast running scales (they started out as trash > metal players and > he can not re-learn his left hand to run over a > normally thick > spanish guitar neck). Rod's guitar also has a > thinner body to give > him a thinner sound that will be able to cut trough > on the single- > string melodies he plays with a pick. Gabrielas > guitar is more > similar to the traditional Flamenco guitar, more > suitable for her > "aggressive drum kit" playing style. She uses a kind > of re-worked > flamenco right hand technique to create sounds all > over the sonic > spectrum - from low kick drum to sharp castanjetas. > Both guitars are > equipped with the Fishman Blender, stereo version. > This stereo > version allows the sound engineer to separate > different frequencies > in a better way than with the normal Fishman mics. > As I said in the > other post he is also dividing the two guitar stereo > signals by EQ to > treat different bands differently. I guess by > applying different > compression - that's the only thing I can think of > that would create > such a massive "guitar percussion" sound live. In > total 24 mixer > channels is used to set the live sound. The live > engineer has been > working with them for years and they did the sound > check in seven > minutes. Everything already worked out, except for > adjusting for the > venue's acoustics (settings that will have to be > changed anyway > during the first song when the room is filled with > the audience). > They told me there will be a new Fishman available > in a couple of > months that will allow a better placement inside the > guitar body. > Couldn't find any info on that on the Fishman web > site though. > > per > > Frank Tate from Belfast. > > On 11 feb 2006, at 09.10, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend > system? > > This would interest me because i play the spanish > > guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques > but my > > mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for > that > > and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge > to > > get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i > > havent found a satisfying system for nylon string > that > > i like but i just installed a trance audio > transducer > > system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that > is > > not suited for spanish guitars. > > Luis > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: > >> > >>> Rodrigo y Gabriela > >>> http://www.rodgab.com/index.html > >> > >> Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig > >> here in Stockholm. > >> Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very > nice > >> people and what > >> a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in > each > >> guitar and skilled > >> old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA > through > >> 24 channels, > >> properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge > >> drum kit with > >> percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish > >> Guitar cold produce > >> such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 12:52:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC11E3BF13; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SNxhylW0I2wJIJpbEOY2H7z7K8Qn9evi/5ovxTMdEXkJ+XhZ0YrAdOE+iHs+tyJ8UaaZmt4gZM6SDlf9d17UQoc7PaIgYH/vaNUfpHybrDbOj9KVo+Wf6FBxQjvlfEk2KOjv1VWekzA22ikk2vQbRw0ZXyNwJyFA9g7Yx25gfkU= ; Message-ID: <20060212125222.48839.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:52:22 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Roland guitar synth future To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_IEw9.A.f6C.I-y7DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:24 +0000 (UTC) oh man i hope so as well,i am having an RMC system in my guitar installed as well to hopefully improve the synth tracking problem.Are you happy with its tracking and how much did it improve? Luis --- William Walker wrote: > The newer fishman blender units that combine and > under saddle transducer and > mic, with a non evasive soundhole mounted control > surface, sound very nice, > however beware just how touchy the mic side of > things can be, you know the > shreaking feedback back kind that makes us > temporarily forget why we came to > the gig in the first place. I was under the > impression that the trance can > work for classical guitar but I'm not sure. For my > money, I like the DTAR > Timberline undersaddle pickup that my friend Rick > Turner helped design. OK > I'm biased, but I heard it installed in his Ramirez > classical and it > sounded better than any system I've heard so far, > including my RMC which I > like, and am attached to somewhat because of its > roland GK capabiltity. But > the Timberline had a higher voltage preamp running > on 2 AA batteries with a > voltage tripling cuircut pushing a full 18 volts, > and the extra headroom > translated in to better dynamic range, cleaner high > end, and less of the > dreaded quack. I'm seriously considering yanking my > roland ready RMC pickup > out of my flamenco guitar in favor of a timberline, > however, I'm holding out > another year or so to see if Roland will once again > step up to the plate and > come out with a guitar synth, with an actual real > sound engine and a deep > enough interface that a pro could love. I read every > ones rants about the > state of guitar synthesis with great empathy, since > I been playing there > stuff since the early 80's when I had a roland strat > style guitar and a blue > GR300 module, Ive seen roland go through the process > of building up and > dumbing down there products for a while now, and I'm > holding out hope, that > they are going to come up with something new that > might perhaps touch on > both the GR synth stuff but the VG8 modeling as > well. Something that can > satisfy both crowds. Let's wait and see. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:49 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Rodrigo y Gabriela > > > Hi Luis, > > I just listened back to the interview we did > yesterday to fresh up my > memory, and they do not use the Fishman Rare Earth > system. Rod and > Gab plays nylon stringed guitars, built by Frank > Tate in Belfast. > They are designed like Flamenco or Spanish Classical > guitars but with > some changes. Rod's guitar has a thinner neck, > because he plays all > the fast running scales (they started out as trash > metal players and > he can not re-learn his left hand to run over a > normally thick > spanish guitar neck). Rod's guitar also has a > thinner body to give > him a thinner sound that will be able to cut trough > on the single- > string melodies he plays with a pick. Gabrielas > guitar is more > similar to the traditional Flamenco guitar, more > suitable for her > "aggressive drum kit" playing style. She uses a kind > of re-worked > flamenco right hand technique to create sounds all > over the sonic > spectrum - from low kick drum to sharp castanjetas. > Both guitars are > equipped with the Fishman Blender, stereo version. > This stereo > version allows the sound engineer to separate > different frequencies > in a better way than with the normal Fishman mics. > As I said in the > other post he is also dividing the two guitar stereo > signals by EQ to > treat different bands differently. I guess by > applying different > compression - that's the only thing I can think of > that would create > such a massive "guitar percussion" sound live. In > total 24 mixer > channels is used to set the live sound. The live > engineer has been > working with them for years and they did the sound > check in seven > minutes. Everything already worked out, except for > adjusting for the > venue's acoustics (settings that will have to be > changed anyway > during the first song when the room is filled with > the audience). > They told me there will be a new Fishman available > in a couple of > months that will allow a better placement inside the > guitar body. > Couldn't find any info on that on the Fishman web > site though. > > per > > Frank Tate from Belfast. > > On 11 feb 2006, at 09.10, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Per, are u talking about the rare earth blend > system? > > This would interest me because i play the spanish > > guitar and use some o those flamenco techniques > but my > > mounted fishman piezo is not very efficient for > that > > and i have to hit the guitar really on the bridge > to > > get the kick and the snare u can forget about it.i > > havent found a satisfying system for nylon string > that > > i like but i just installed a trance audio > transducer > > system on my steel and that is a bomb!too bad that > is > > not suited for spanish guitars. > > Luis > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> On 10 feb 2006, at 20.09, Todd Pafford wrote: > >> > >>> Rodrigo y Gabriela > >>> http://www.rodgab.com/index.html > >> > >> Yep, that's them. I just got back from their gig > >> here in Stockholm. > >> Did an interview for a guitar mag as well. Very > nice > >> people and what > >> a gig and what a sound! Stereo Fishman mic in > each > >> guitar and skilled > >> old buddy sound man tweaking it over the PA > through > >> 24 channels, > >> properly EQ'ed. Gab's guitar sounded like a huge > >> drum kit with > >> percussion. It was hard to believe that a Spanish > >> Guitar cold produce > >> such a deep kick drum sound, but there it was. > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 15:24:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ACC63BF15; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAHnf7kOCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:35 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: How do YOU loop? In-Reply-To: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC) At 16:01 11/02/06, you wrote: > this is what i'm curious about with >everyone here. Generally I work out new ways of using loops for each piece I do, although I wouldn't just use a technique for the sake of it. I like to have an interaction between the live playing, and the looped playing. The impression is perhaps that the loops are flowing out of the guitar. Or reflections of something that came out of the guitar a while ago. Generally I don't like to hear that many repeats of a loop, although if it's a bassline or a rhythm I don't mind so much. Having more than one looplength running is a way to add interest. The obvious way is to Multiply the length of the loop, starting with a rhythmic unit and ovelaying a longer phrase. Lately I like to take the "multiplied" loop, and replace parts of it in order to break down the original rhythmic unit which I started with. The "big problem" with looping is to combine some sort of ABC type structure with loops that have a number of overdubs. After the A is built up, it usually sounds like an anticlimax to start a B part from nothing. There's no looping device available to let you keep the rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. So far I tried to resolve that by fitting the structure of the music around the capabilities of the gear that I use. It takes a bit of practice, and a bit of thought, but it's really dramatic to suddenly bring back a full sounding piece of music that's been waiting in the looper. My impression is that very much of the looping I hear is a kind of AAAAAAAA.... structure, so that the loop becomes a fixed backing to whatever is being created live. This is often due to restrictions of the technology, and can still produce good music. The use of feedback is worth considering. The standard technique is to let the layers fade out as new ones are put on, and to change the feedback rate occasionally in order to create a faster rate of change, or to freeze the loop and solo over it. Also interesting is to play with the feedback during the duration of the loop, this can produce some interesting mutations when new material is added to the loop. (e.g. overdub a solid backbeat while dipping the feedback to zero on each hit) For me, the best results come from spending a lot of time with a particular piece of gear, rather than trying to purchase/configure the ideal setup. This being true of looping devices, FX units and instruments. andy butler www.andybutler.com for mp3 & info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 17:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D86593BF13; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c62ff6$aa93a1a0$36b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: How do YOU loop? Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:06:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler wrote... > There's no looping device available to let you keep the rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. Wait a minute... isn't this subtly accomplished on the EDP by the NextLoop with LoopCopy ON? I semi-regularly record one phrase into my first loop... NextLoop recording (or multiply) begins when you hit the NextLoop button... I then play over the initial phrase, multing out until I've added what I want, I either close the loop with Multiply, Record, or NextLoop to continue the process. It's then easy to use either Replace or SUS functions to either subtly or radically change that loop (either Loop1 or Loop2) into any harmonic structure you want. I admit it's sorta sneaky, and not quite like having a click track and immediately recording the new part, but it's a subtle way to sneak into ABC... forms on the EDP. I will sometimes copy the initial first phrase into 2-6 loops of differing lengths, then overdub or multiply and deliberately add various length melodic lines with contrasting harmonic content, so I can immediately LoopTrig any loop at will to create morphing structures which can then be played over. Since I don't use my midi pedal that much, I'm lazy and usually just do 2 loops, and jump between the two using the EDP footswitches. I'm sure you're aware of this stuff Andy, but your comment above prompted me to add this detail to the discussion. All the best! Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 17:24:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 043BE3BF17; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:29:16 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] How do YOU loop? In-Reply-To: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060210230621.13170.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, r i c k m o n d wrote: > so what/how does looping function for you? One of the more common patterns I use involves having one looper (A) (usually Akai Headrush) at the beginning of my signal chain, several effects after that, and 2-3 loopers (B, C, sometimes D) (usually Boss RC-20, Digitech Jamman, or E-H 16sec reissue) at the end of the signal chain. Loop using A, alter w/effects and pass the loop down to B or C. So for an example, play a short bit that serves as a marker and record it into the most downstream looper (C) as a long loop with lots of silence. Play a short bit into the looper (A) at the beginning of the signal chain, then manipulate it with effects and pass it down to the 2nd-from the end looper (B), stop the playback of looper (A). On the most-downstream looper (C), overdub B onto C in order to collapse the layers. Add a drone using A, play live over that, fade out A, record using B, fade out C, bring A back up. regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 18:26:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E25D73BF16; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060212101551.01a90ea8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:26:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: Was Rodrigo y Gabriela /Pickups for classical guitars In-Reply-To: <20060212121838.39449.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060212121838.39449.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) At 04:18 AM 2/12/2006, Lius wrote: >I have >never used a magnetic,do you think this would be a >better option than a piezo? It depends on how you want to sound and whether you're using nylon or steel strings. A magnetic pickup is only going to work on steel strings. Whenever electricity's involved, your sound will be compromised. The best acoustic guitar sound is always unamplified. Second best is a couple of studio-quality microphones. After that it's a matter of taste. A magnetic pickup on an acoustic guitar will sound a bit like a jazz electric hollowbody guitar. A piezo transducer will sound harsh in the upper ranges and kind of crinkly. An internal microphone is good but won't pick up well all the delicate sounds of fingernail against string, and will be lower-range by comparison with the piezo. For these reasons, people will choose combinations of magnetic pickup, transducer and/or internal mic as well as preamps and mini-mixing systems. The best judge here is going to be your own two ears. Because of all the acoustic compromises, your choice is going to depend on your venue and your own style of music. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 18:58:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 130E53BF22; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Elton Dean Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:58:46 +0100 Message-ID: <009a01c63006$5a80b800$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYwBll6hzFn3jgkTDGqaDsjGGoBrA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:54 +0000 (UTC) http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/obituary/0,,1706856,00.html Soft Machine saxophone player Elton Dean dies at 60. (Not completely OT because they also used loops in the early days.) Elton will be very missed. He gave one of the most influential bands in one of their most influential time a very distinctive voice. (Michael) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 19:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD7003BF2C; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:01:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:01:14 +0000 (UTC) At 07:23 AM 2/12/2006, Andy wrote: >The "big problem" with looping is to combine some sort of ABC type >structure with loops that have a number of overdubs. After the A is >built up, it usually sounds like an anticlimax to start a B part >from nothing. There's no looping device available to let you keep >the rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. I play tunes that have AABB or AABA structure. What I'd like to do is something like this live: 1. Put down a 2-4 bar groove. 2. Multiply the groove and overdub the head of the AABA tune. 3. Overdub the chord changes. 4. Put in rhythm fills every 8 bars and on the turnaround. 5. Here's the tricky part: With one pedal press, undo #2 _only_ and go into overdub to start soloing over the tune. I can do each of the steps above on the EDP except for the last one. Is anybody doing anything like this? If so, how are you doing it? Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 19:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8053BF21; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALkX70OCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060212192328.02d81960@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:28:00 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Re:Re: How do YOU loop? In-Reply-To: <20060212185855.853263BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060212185855.853263BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_-q66D.A.X7D.mx47DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:28:38 +0000 (UTC) >Andy Butler wrote... > There's no looping device available to let you keep >the >rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. > >Wait a minute... isn't this subtly accomplished on the EDP by the NextLoop >with LoopCopy ON? hi Miko, Yep, I gothcha :-) Problem is that you can't copy JUST the underlying rhythm like this, you also get all the overdubs you already put on the A part. thinks...." ...but what if you hit a load of undos just before going to the LoopCopy?....." andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 19:34:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 628EB3BF27; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LsMqugfBi6PgnA95/J4sSg6f1eX8Hz3/LRlNK43OMfpvpSGIWFLVgwKn2jg4u9fwYAn4H/07lAiyxZiSjAFN+XZJh4Go99D0CJDmrr96TKsfGfLs7ntYdyWKAdy8YaVzXsr8NkLSjaA2OZ0tPl6+qSOMsR5KUdQV7F3PxEMB9+g= ; Message-ID: <20060212193456.85648.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:34:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Elton Dean To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009a01c63006$5a80b800$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:34:58 +0000 (UTC) That's sad news. I'm particularly fond of the overlapping period around Third after Dean joined the Softs, but before Robert Wyatt was edged out, when Dean's chops and serious musicianship blended with Wyatt's more whimsical psychedelia in a wonderful way, with Hugh Hopper providing the bridge between the two extremes. I would have loved to have heard the upcoming reunion... -t- --- Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/obituary/0,,1706856,00.html > > Soft Machine saxophone player Elton Dean dies at 60. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 20:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134943BF27; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:44:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <91rgLD.A._fG.G557DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:44:55 +0000 (UTC) On 12 feb 2006, at 16.23, a k butler wrote: > The "big problem" with looping is to combine some sort of ABC type > structure with loops that have a number of overdubs. After the A is > built up, it usually sounds like an anticlimax to start a B part > from nothing. There's no looping device available to let you keep > the rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. This is indeed a big challenge! I address it with two workarounds when looping with laptops: 1. If I'm looping with Augustus Loop I have a bank set-up on my FCB1010 where each button transposes the pitch of the loop. Since Augustus Loop is a tape delay simulator without, without time- stretching, I have to be careful with pitching rhythmic material. If working with quantized transpose you can find a musically good counter rhythm in a new pitch, but I prefer to use the pitch transpose pedals unquantized. So I mostly transpose drone like loops, or I may put a beat synced plug-in after the looper to keep up the beat. In this concept it's interesting to transpose the loop in overdub mode while constantly renewing the audio. Old layers, recorded at a different pitch, can sound like different instruments and you can learn this effect to use it in a planned way. 2. When looping in Mobius I use a variation of my old EDP technique to use for example "MooreLoops=5" and start building a sparse layer in each loop, according to five different "chords". Then I keep on playing melodies over those five chords and taking care to punch in (or overdub) only notes or lines that I want in that chord section. So all chords kind of grow at the same speed as I pass through them with melodies. Here's an example of such an EDP improvisation over three loops/chords: http://www.looproom.com/aol/01_Patterns.mp3 (sax/EDP+percussion). With Mobius it is easier because I can put percussive stuff on a separate track and do the tonal looping on another track (the "MooreLoops" technique). Or I can lay down a bass line that is working with many different chords on another track. There is also another concept for multi chordal live looping in Mobius where you create different chords/keys on dedicated tracks and then mute or un-mute tracks to go in and out of chords. I have not used that technique much though. Generally I like to work with as few tracks as possible to enable drastic changes by changing loop or reworking a loop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 20:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ED403BF3B; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: Roland git synth possibilities... Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:53:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c63016$68cae920$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6301E.CA8F5120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:53:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6301E.CA8F5120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a quick one, I use a Roland GR30 guitar synth, love this thing, love the arpegiator, and dont give a flying f*** about its tracking... wanna keep it.. BUT... I really need to get it off the floor... so first question is... is there an equivalent thing... in a rack.. i have a hazy memory of some roland thing that was in a rack? was it just the hex to midi convertor circuit and you needed a synth...? I have absolutelt NO money what with my new one month old arrival, so need to do a shrewd swap with someone that wants a GR30...but right now was just interested... marks website is at http://www.markfrancombe.com he works at http://www.transformlearning.com and writes for http://www.furthernoise.org Nikolas Courtney's website is at http://markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 15135 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6301E.CA8F5120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6301E.CA8F5120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 21:43:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CED673BF42; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:43:56 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Roland git synth possibilities... X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.75.88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060212214352.DB79925731C@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:43:58 +0000 (UTC) You are probably thinking of the old Roland GM-70 (rack - no synth) or GR-50 (rack - internal synth), but neither have an arpegiator. The Axon AX100SB is racked, has an arpeg and internal sounds, but will cost you a little extra and may be too 'different'. I think your best bet is a rack shelf for your GR30. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Roland git synth possibilities... Date: 12/02/06 20:53 Here's a quick one, I use a Roland GR30 guitar synth, love this thing, love the arpegiator, and dont give a flying f*** about its tracking... wanna keep it.. BUT... I really need to get it off the floor... so first question is... is there an equivalent thing... in a rack.. i have a hazy memory of some roland thing that was in a rack? was it just the hex to midi convertor circuit and you needed a synth...? I have absolutelt NO money what with my new one month old arrival, so need to do a shrewd swap with someone that wants a GR30...but right now was just interested... ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 21:47:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0234D3BF4A; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k/YopVzKi5hBhDn4CuTcJWvGmO3QkdNW6mbYcvYGU4lPyUf+yM5GYTtXiYW6RpZxsg24RWNXvychEu4JEi5W6CL5i6uGWZCRvgTNYL+AzhT9l2Eb6WOhW/DMX9HrhTp/Dg2KzLm/5jsbQJcfHLWIA7caZHCSqJ779CCy8zX5m6M= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602121347k6ef336dev5909ee94b7ea68c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:47:08 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland git synth possibilities... In-Reply-To: <001a01c63016$68cae920$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001a01c63016$68cae920$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:47:09 +0000 (UTC) A friend of mine has his GR33 on a rack shelf and controls it from an FCB1010. It seems to work fine. On 2/12/06, mark francombe wrote: > > Here's a quick one, I use a Roland GR30 guitar synth, love this thing, lo= ve > the arpegiator, and dont give a flying f*** about its tracking... wanna k= eep > it.. BUT... I really need to get it off the floor... so first question is= ... > is there an equivalent thing... in a rack.. i have a hazy memory of some > roland thing that was in a rack? was it just the hex to midi convertor > circuit and you needed a synth...? I have absolutelt NO money what with m= y > new one month old arrival, so need to do a shrewd swap with someone that > wants a GR30...but right now was just interested... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 22:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D193BF3C; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Roland git synth possibilities... Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:26:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C62FE0.5F2DBA90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c63016$68cae920$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:26:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C62FE0.5F2DBA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageI agree, the arpeggiator function alone really allows you to play it like a synth. Put it in a rack tray. Those are cheap. 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I=20 agree, the arpeggiator function alone really allows you to play it like = a synth.=20  Put it in a  rack tray. Those are cheap.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C62FE0.5F2DBA90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 23:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 902C63BF1C; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:32:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060212125222.48839.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Louis wrote, I am having an RMC system in my guitar installed as well to hopefully improve the synth tracking problem. Are you happy with its tracking and how much did it improve? The tracking is slightly better on the bass strings, but not significantly, Lack of tracking speed may never go away in this type of technology, though the Axiom system seemed to be an improvement. god knows if they are still in business. What I came to early on in my guitar synth experience was to play to its strengths. I try to stay away from idiomatic guitar playing. I try to play to the sound, and always use my fingers to apply myself more like a keyboardist. I tend to use more long envelope pads sounds where precise timing is not such an issue. and I love the sound of my nylon string guitar with synth strings swelling underneath. I won't set up a piano patch with pitch bend activated, so I can play blues bends with a grand piano sound. I've tried it and it sounds hokey, and its more glitchy. If I play a piano, marimba, or other percussive sound, I don't try to out run the tracking with an overly fast tempo, and I usually blend the sound with guitar to minimize the tracking issues. I'm also more apt to use my GR30's arpeggio function for up tempo and dance stuff, any way, as I can have the unit track well at any tempo. When recording, I minimize dead spots on my Roland equipped guitar by using a groove tubes fat finger on the headstock, to provide more mass and sustain, and help prevent glitching and yodeling ( the term I've heard used for the spontaneous octave leaps at the end of certain notes as they decay). I learned that long ago, when the first Roland guitar I had (a white 2 humbucking guitar made for Roland, probably by Ibanez), had a couple of horrible dead spots that kept making the Gr300 yodel as the sound decayed. Some one suggested putting a c clamp on the headstock, and sure enough that guitar sustained for days. Being somewhat impractical to have a c clamp on the headstock, I eventually got a graphite neck made by Hohner to put on it and that really cured the dead spot problems. These days I have an internal gk pickup on my parts strat that has a huge maple neck that is very stable. I also have an RMC in my flamenco guitar, and an external unit mounted to my renaissance RS6. The last thing I wanted to mention regarding the guitar synth in general, is, because the tracking is not so forgiving, I find that I have to concentrate more on the little technical things to not get frustrated. These include being more aware of correct finger placement, more even in picking hand attack, using more care when moving from one place to another on the fret board. But the reality is, all of the cool scrapes, slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and bends, and even most strums guitarist are so fond of, don't work on midi guitar. But there is a world of cool things they do, and the good news is this is relatively inexpensive technology to dive in to if you don't mind buying used. Its just not for everybody. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 23:33:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1847C3BF22; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Was Rodrigo y Gabriela /Pickups for classical guitars Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:33:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060212121838.39449.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:33:47 +0000 (UTC) spanish guitars because they use fan bracing,where the braces run over the bridgeplate and block the area where the pickups need to mount, and so are unsuitable for installation Right now I remember, I think you will like the RMC. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 12 23:56:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9B893BF1E; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Roland guitar synth future Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:59:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:56:02 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 12, 2006, at 3:32 PM, William Walker wrote: > making the Gr300 yodel as the sound decayed If you are referring to the effect I think you are, that was one of my favorite "features" of the GR-500 I used to have. I wish that when Roland/Boss did their set of hex-pickup enabled pedals, that they would have done a GR100 (hex fuzz + hex filter) in a pedal. I've never played one, but the architecture sounds ideal for people who want to use conventional guitar techniques. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 00:19:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9DE3BF1B; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c63033$88091600$4bb85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060212185855.853263BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060212192328.02d81960@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Re:Re: How do YOU loop? Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:22:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Don't overdub at first... just close the first pass with loopcopy and you're into loop 2 multiplying as well as overdubbing your input. It just takes one phrase in loop 1, then get the hell over to loop 2! You always have a 'breakdown' by returning to loop 1. It's even the same number of button pushes. Instead of going into overdub, you end with nextloop, and are overdubbing AND multiplying. It's actually a bonus to do it that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re:Re: How do YOU loop? > > >Andy Butler wrote... > There's no looping device available to let you keep the rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. > > Wait a minute... isn't this subtly accomplished on the EDP by the NextLoop with LoopCopy ON? > > hi Miko, > Yep, I gothcha :-) > > Problem is that you can't copy JUST the underlying rhythm like this, > you also get all the overdubs you already put on the A part. > > thinks...." ...but what if you hit a load of undos just before going > to the LoopCopy?....." 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TTYL, Orville Kerry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 05:10:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67CED3BF14; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:10:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Roland guitar synth future Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:14 +0000 (UTC) At 3:59 PM -0800 2/12/06, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >I wish that when Roland/Boss did their set of hex-pickup enabled >pedals, that they would have done a GR100 (hex fuzz + hex filter) in >a pedal. I've never played one, but the architecture sounds ideal >for people who want to use conventional guitar techniques. Perhaps try looking around for the OC-20g PolyOctave stompbox? It's one of the two GK-effect stompboxes that came out from Boss (the other being the WP-20g Wave Processor). Never played one myself, but I tripped over it while researching the Wave Processor. I was somewhat surprised to see they'd incorporated a distortion/fuzz element to it. Here's how the Harmony Central product release blurb described it: "The OC-20G Poly Octave is the world's first polyphonic octave pedal, capable of producing string-assignable octave effects , unique non-native guitar simulations, and even onboard distortion for getting ultra-heavy tones. Thanks to the GK Pickup input, the OC-20G can produce octaves for various combinations of strings-like the 5th and 6th strings-while leaving the other four strings unprocessed for cool simulated guitar/bass combos. Six guitar simulations are also provided, including three acoustic guitar simulations and three electric guitar simulations that will have audience members scratching their heads. Finally, onboard distortion can be activated to produce a thick "new-school" metal sound with bass an octave below." It's discontinued over here in the States now (funny, they still seem to be producing 'em in Japan), so they're probably easy to find on the cheap if you've already got a GK pickup installed. --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 06:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 227CC3BF1A; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents The Sweetheart Sessions w/ Subduction Current, Lynn Harrigan & dreamSTATE Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:32:26 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c63067$41e13200$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Please note that due to a family matter, we'll be short some of our scheduled sweethearts for tonight's performance. Love Puppets and 1 Year Anniversary have had to postpone their performances at this week's PiNG until a later date. Keep an eye on our future schedule for their return to the PiNG. http://www.theambientping.com/eventsall.html#FUTURE Filling in for our absent Worthy friends will be Lynn Harrigan and dreamSTATE. Also note, that the free compilation CD from Worthy Records to the first 25 people attending the evening will not be given out this Tuesday. Instead we will be giving away a numbered copy (17/20) of the Weird State InBetween's Random Scrapbook Collectables limited edition CD to the first person who makes a purchase at the ping things in club store this Tuesday night. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday February 14th . The Sweetheart Sessions with - Subduction Current (Phil Ogison and Catherine Tammaro) - Lynn Harrigan and Scott M2 perform Oblique Poetries / White - dreamSTATE with Phil Ogison explore White Cupid comes to the PiNG for Valentine's Day to bring us The Sweetheart Sessions from some friends who love to play together. The first set features Subduction Current - an experi-pop-ambijazz duo, comprised of Catherine Tammaro and her husband Phil Ogison. They believe that their studio recordings should be representative of their live performances, and therefore are always recorded in one take. Catherine contributes many years of musical history having played briefly in Steal This Book and for her collaborations with Tom Third and Dr.Limbo in several projects. She is an accomplished vocalist and soundscapist. Phil Ogison is known to PiNG audiences for his project The Devil In The Design and his collaborations with Anne Sulikowski (BCOM, Lovepuppets) in A Pretty Sonic Splatter and Psychosomatic Climax Machine. Music for 'The Sweetheart Sessions will be from the upcoming release on Worthy Records "In This House" http://tditd.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/ogison http://www.room101.net/index.htm In the second set, Scott M2 of dreamSTATE will be premiering a new sound environment "White". He'll be joined by his sweetheart, poet Lynn Harrigan, who will read new poems from her work-in-progress "Oblique Poetries", then by his sonic partner, dreamSTATE's Jamie Todd on virtual synthesizers plus Phil Ogison, returning to the stage to add his high-altitude textures. This will be a unique, deep-winter version of "White". The CD-version will not be released until next fall/winter and dreamSTATE hope this performance will leave you well chilled-out until then... http://www.dreamstate.to http://www.lynnharrigan.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . Random Scrapbook Collectables (limited edition) by Weird State InBetween As some of our sweethearts from Worthy Records couldn't be with us tonight, we thought we would open the night with this limited edition Worthy release from Weird State InBetween - the place where a collaboration is formed between Scott Johnson and Anne Sulikowski. http://www.worthyrecords.com Between Sets CD . Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure by Aperus This week we feature Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure, an impressive collection of songs by Brian McWilliams performing under the name of Aperus. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.mpathrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday February 21st 2006 . Kathode + Michael Dobinson Kathode - TV Loopback AV Modulation In the opening set, Kathode (Tomasz Krakowiak) returns to the PiNG and plugs in to capture and sample live video of the ambient landscape which will then be decoded and manipulated into audio signal and played to create an instant environmental score of the evening's movements. video frequencies <=> audio frequencies http://tmhniyl.net/kathode It may seem perverse for this time of year, but yes ... the music for February 21st will be celebrating the cold. For the second set, Michael Dobinson, the 905-area based composer/improvisor/computer musician, will present 4 works (or more, if the mood is right) using every electroascoustic means at his disposal to create and explore the depths, heights, and sideways of cold. Perhaps you'll get a different view of the season this evening ... an existential look at coldness, an insight into a different way to look at winter, a celebration of the season that to an extent defines our country. Michael Dobinson trained as a classical composer first at York University (BFA Honours, Music) and then at the University of Western Ontario (MMus, Composition). He has been working in the electronic music medium since 1989. His first electronic works were actually created in a "classical" analog studio, on reel to reel tape. Since that time, he's worked almost exclusively in the field of live electronic music, working with synthesizers, effects and computers to keep electronic music in real time, out of studios, and burning with the energy of live inspiration and improvisation. In COLD, he'll be offering up a selection of music reflecting his eclectic interests, with invocations of the icy moons of Saturn, a SYNTHI analog synthesizer, the sounds of wintertime Ontario, music inspired by the music of the Japanese shakuhachi reflected by the electric recorder, drum sequencing, classical forms, granular synthesis (some of these are combined into the same piece of course), and much more. ... if it's not cool outside it will be inside. http://www.mrde-music.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Aperus "Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure" "Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure" is a very impressive collection of songs by Brian McWilliams performing under the name of Aperus. Travelling along roads of both light and dark ambient, Brian has created a fantastic release well worth further study. "Dark Moon (initiation)" brings to mind a sense of ceremony and ritual performed under night skies. Rumbling and shaking tones play beneath a steady simple melody of rather foreboding sounds. "Magnetism" in contrast is a much brighter track, a beautiful piano melody played over a steady drone. Simply beautiful, bringing to mind the twinkling of stars in the night sky. Wonderful. "Echo Canyon" features floating percussive tones slowly swaying through the soundscape, drifting tones passing like water, the call of a buoy, metal on metal scraping against each other. Submarine sounds, underwater at night. Slowly giving way to more fluid tones, a greater organicism. A stirring piece. "Radiant" floats above the ground, gently moving back and forth through the clouds, tones effortlessly melting into each other. Wonderful work. "Vanishing Terrain" brings a sense of mystery, subtle tones play throughout, interspersed by more mechanical noises, sounds, pulses. A sense of beauty being lost, replaced by something less organic, more constructed. Slowly the organic elements begin to win over, taking dominance between the two, creating a blend, a synthesis. Packaged in a DVD case along with a series of beautiful photographs which inspired the music, "Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure" is an excellent introduction to the work of Aperus and is sure to delight fans of the ambient genre. "Tumbleweed Obfuscated by Camera Failure" is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/APERUStumbleweed.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday, February 15th . xpace gallery TOBY DRIVER . string duet performance featuring members of kayo dot from Boston. john Zorn's 'tzadik' records. I HAVE EATEN THE CITY . southern Ontario free jazz trio, featuring nick storring (cello/computer), brandon valdivia (drums/ percussion), and colin fisher (guitar, saxophone) GASTRIC FEMALE REFLEX . "...explore methods of electro-acoustic sound manipulation with a freewheeling and chaotic unpredictability." - eye magazine 8pm . all ages welcome . xpace gallery 303 Augusta St . $8 *Thursday February 16th . Another Country Once again, Victor Bateman, David Baxter, Justin Haynes, & Jean Martin will ride into the mutable landscape of rural entertainment. A donation of $5 or more gets you a copy of our most recent recording 10pm . Tranzac * Thursday February 16th . The Friendly Rich Show (CD release for "We Need a New F-Word") Featuring The Lollipop People w/ The Fugitives (BC) Tickets available at Soundscapes and Rotate This 8PM Sharp . Lula Lounge, 1585 Dundas St. W . $10 * Friday, February 17th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i - Fedrigo / Lewis / Piilonen / Waterman w/ monica fedrigo, tilman lewis - cello, rob piilonen, ellen waterman- flute ii - Joust + Jake w/ john oswald- alto sax, scott thomson- trombone, jake oelrichs- drums iii- Ryan Driver w/ ryan driver- synth 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 . $10/6 * Friday, February 17th . I/O Media I/O media is a collaborative collective of sound and video artists exploring real-time performance in an improvised construction that is reminiscent of 1960's free-jazz. The fluctuating group of participants utilize a wide variety of instruments to make their audio/video compositions, including homemade hardware, customized software applications, analog synthesizers, samplers, and video mixers. Members of the group also experiment with performance techniques such as live sampling, real-time sample manipulation, and audio/video interaction. The group is associated with the InterAccess Electronic Media Arts Centre in Toronto and performs there on a monthly basis. 8:30 PM . InterAccess . 9 Ossington Avenue . Free!! * Saturday February 18th . Mercer Union presents: Music Series, Programme #3 Doug Tielli in the No Man Band The No Man Band (Doug Tielli) sings mostly British Isles folk songs in falsetto through different objects that alter or filter the tone of the voice such as a tea pot, a bottle, a contact-miked neck, as well as other surfaces, amplified instruments, bowls of water etc. At the same time as the singing & often preceding, inbetween, & succeeding the singing, other sound sources are activated: small objects being dropped, feedback, styrofoam being flicked, floors squeaked, scratching, dictaphones, radios, bottle-blowing, ... All performed with an attention to inadvertence, physicality and tinyness. 9PM . Mercer Union . 37 Lisgar Street . Free * Sunday February 19th . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 4:00- Krakowiak / Newman / Shaw w/ tomaz krakowiak- amplified objects, paul newman- tenor sax, evan shaw- alto sax 5:00- Herring/Morse w/ michael herring, michael morse- double bass 6:00- Runcible Spoon w/ monica fedrigo- cello, tania gill- piano, leah state- voice, julia hambleton- clarinet 4pm-7pm . The NOW Lounge 189 Church St. . $6 * Friday, Saturday & Sunday, February 17 - 19 BURST: outward SOUND & Vision FESTIVAL I an immersive experience for the eyes, ears and beyond Herb Bayley & Chris Meloche - Artistic Directors with Bob Bozak (visual art), The Bum Band (performance art), Maurice Carroll (video), Jeff Culbert (performance art), Jason Dickson (words), Jamelie Hassan (installation art), Penn Kemp (sound poetry), Brian Lambert (production design). Outward Sound Ensemble (sound art), Olivia Proudfoot (improv dance), Brian Saby (visual art), Wendy Saby (photography), Dennis Siren (live video). Bernadette Wycks (visual art) Afternoon Music and Dance Workshops - Saturday & Sunday 2 PM (Workshops: $5 at the door only) Evening Performances 8 PM Mocha Shrine Centre . 468 Colborne Street . London, ON $10 in advance . $ 12 at the door . $ 20/Weekend . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 08:13:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24683BF10; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:16:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight Essential Listening section. It's that time again! The last time we discussed this was in 2003, and a lot of great recommendations came out of that discussion. At that time we tried to focus on the 1990's. I've finally incorporated those listening recommendations into the latest incarnation of the Essential Listening Loopography: http://www.loopers-delight.com/loopography/Records.html If you haven't been there recently, check it out. I've added a bunch of new entries based on submissions from many of you. This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. What were the essential recordings from the 1980's that every looper ought to listen to? Please propose your ideas and let's discuss it! Please include a paragraph or two about why you think that recording is essential for looping. So, what makes something an essential recording for looping? There are no hard and fast guidelines. They might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music where it hadn't been used before, or with an instrument where it hadn't been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to become interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, or simply a perfect example of looping from a legendary looping artist. Another thing we learned in 2003 is that proposing yourself as essential probably won't go over very well. :-) Also, there were several good recommendations made last time where nobody supplied a good review paragraph to go with it. I still need somebody to write a good review about why these albums are essential for looping: Robert Fripp - Let the Power Fall (1981) David Torn - Tripping over God (1995) David Torn - What Means 'Solid', Traveller? (1996) Andre LaFosse - Normalized (2003) Please help me out with that if you are familiar with these albums! You may be interested in reading some of the 2003 discussion on this if you weren't around for it, it is quite amusing: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=essential&Search=Search&restricttofiles=on&filelist=200307&filelist=200306&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case Ok, discuss! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:17:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A2F3BF17; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:17:42 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060213101740.9B031255191@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:17:50 +0000 (UTC) After 15 years or more using guitar synths, I agree with all of this although it all becomes second nature and I don't have ton think about it much. EXCEPT the 'slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and bends, and even most strums' all do work for me with a correctly setup Axon AX100 system. Scrapes and percussive noises don't, but all those tricks that result in a change in pitch of the note do. As for piano and organ sounds, with pitch bend set to retrigger notes at every semitone, bends come out well as typical keyboard slurs. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: billwalker@baymoon.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future Date: 12/02/06 23:32 What I came to early on in my guitar synth experience was to play to its strengths. I try to stay away from idiomatic guitar playing. I try to play to the sound, and always use my fingers to apply myself more like a keyboardist. I tend to use more long envelope pads sounds where precise timing is not such an issue. and I love the sound of my nylon string guitar with synth strings swelling underneath. I won't set up a piano patch with pitch bend activated, so I can play blues bends with a grand piano sound. I've tried it and it sounds hokey, and its more glitchy. If I play a piano, marimba, or other percussive sound, I don't try to out run the tracking with an overly fast tempo, and I usually blend the sound with guitar to minimize the tracking issues. I'm also more apt to use my GR30's arpeggio function for up tempo and dance stuff, any way, as I can have the unit track well at any tempo. When recording, I minimize dead spots on my Roland equipped guitar by using a groove tubes fat finger on the headstock, to provide more mass and sustain, and help prevent glitching and yodeling ( the term I've heard used for the spontaneous octave leaps at the end of certain notes as they decay). I learned that long ago, when the first Roland guitar I had (a white 2 humbucking guitar made for Roland, probably by Ibanez), had a couple of horrible dead spots that kept making the Gr300 yodel as the sound decayed. Some one suggested putting a c clamp on the headstock, and sure enough that guitar sustained for days. Being somewhat impractical to have a c clamp on the headstock, I eventually got a graphite neck made by Hohner to put on it and that really cured the dead spot problems. These days I have an internal gk pickup on my parts strat that has a huge maple neck that is very stable. I also have an RMC in my flamenco guitar, and an external unit mounted to my renaissance RS6. The last thing I wanted to mention regarding the guitar synth in general, is, because the tracking is not so forgiving, I find that I have to concentrate more on the little technical things to not get frustrated. These include being more aware of correct finger placement, more even in picking hand attack, using more care when moving from one place to another on the fret board. But the reality is, all of the cool scrapes, slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and bends, and even most strums guitarist are so fond of, don't work on midi guitar. But there is a world of cool things they do, and the good news is this is relatively inexpensive technology to dive in to if you don't mind buying used. Its just not for everybody. Bill ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 187743BF13; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:21 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Fw: RE: Roland git synth possibilities... X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060213102219.8C5E7253AF8@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:22 +0000 (UTC) http://audioen.terratec.net/index.php?name=EZCMS&menu=1&page_id=1 --------- Original Message -------- From: billwalker@baymoon.com To: "Fluke" Subject: RE: Roland git synth possibilities... Date: 12/02/06 22:32 The Axon AX100SB is racked, has an arpeg and internal sounds, It does? Is the company still in business? I know they licensed the technology to Yamaha once , but I don't recall the yamaha version having a sound engine, though it did have some of the cool crossfade features that the Axiom has. Hmmmm Bill ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:25:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230003BF1D; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XKvAceG9tcTkmn728M/AK4GhvIuQMSev+n50YG/e9dn6ciN7LD6o/l1qPk2JPh+WaCjenf3ZgYXmjF3i33XKCKB5WDOZvtdsChSqIojr6QTcTL7lkgc1sRKApg+Xj0l9d3PQxa73CH3EL/PMORXW/ZKybRSBI8AOiE1zu2E+8Mc= ; Message-ID: <20060213102549.56433.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future To: Fluke , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060213101740.9B031255191@smtp.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Fripps and Belews guitars must be incredible set up i even remeber seeing them live using the normal internal GK-2 pickup which i have on the roland ready but u couldnt hear any of that synth glitchy yodeling u get from synths, and they were using pretty warning synth techniques like wammy bar bends rapid slurs,percussion playing etc... --- Fluke wrote: > After 15 years or more using guitar synths, I agree > with all of this > although it all becomes second nature and I don't > have ton think about it > much. > > EXCEPT the 'slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and > bends, and even most > strums' all do work for me with a correctly setup > Axon AX100 system. Scrapes > and percussive noises don't, but all those tricks > that result in a change in > pitch of the note do. As for piano and organ sounds, > with pitch bend set to > retrigger notes at every semitone, bends come out > well as typical keyboard > slurs. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future > Date: 12/02/06 23:32 > > What I came to early on in my guitar synth > experience was to play > to its strengths. I try to stay away from idiomatic > guitar playing. I try to > play to the sound, and always use my fingers to > apply myself more like a > keyboardist. I tend to use more long envelope pads > sounds where precise > timing is not such an issue. and I love the sound of > my nylon string guitar > with synth strings swelling underneath. I won't set > up a piano patch with > pitch bend activated, so I can play blues bends with > a grand piano sound. > I've tried it and it sounds hokey, and its more > glitchy. If I play a piano, > marimba, or other percussive sound, I don't try to > out run the tracking with > an overly fast tempo, and I usually blend the sound > with guitar to minimize > the tracking issues. I'm also more apt to use my > GR30's arpeggio function > for up tempo and dance stuff, any way, as I can have > the unit track well at > any tempo. When recording, I minimize dead spots on > my Roland equipped > guitar by using a groove tubes fat finger on the > headstock, to provide more > mass and sustain, and help prevent glitching and > yodeling ( the term I've > heard used for the spontaneous octave leaps at the > end of certain notes as > they decay). I learned that long ago, when the first > Roland guitar I had (a > white 2 humbucking guitar made for Roland, probably > by Ibanez), had a couple > of horrible dead spots that kept making the Gr300 > yodel as the sound > decayed. Some one suggested putting a c clamp on the > headstock, and sure > enough that guitar sustained for days. Being > somewhat impractical to have a > c clamp on the headstock, I eventually got a > graphite neck made by Hohner to > put on it and that really cured the dead spot > problems. These days I have an > internal gk pickup on my parts strat that has a huge > maple neck that is very > stable. I also have an RMC in my flamenco guitar, > and an external unit > mounted to my renaissance RS6. The last thing I > wanted to mention regarding > the guitar synth in general, is, because the > tracking is not so forgiving, I > find that I have to concentrate more on the little > technical things to not > get frustrated. These include being more aware of > correct finger placement, > more even in picking hand attack, using more care > when moving from one place > to another on the fret board. But the reality is, > all of the cool scrapes, > slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and bends, and > even most strums > guitarist are so fond of, don't work on midi guitar. > But there is a world of > cool things they do, and the good news is this is > relatively inexpensive > technology to dive in to if you don't mind buying > used. Its just not for > everybody. > Bill > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:27:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 727993BF2D; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAKnq70OCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060213100933.0287a680@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:26:08 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <20060213063227.AB74C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060213063227.AB74C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin, From your description here , you'd end up erasing the chord changes and the rhythm fill, ...and then soloing over the rhythm while the melody played. So this is how it's done Hope that's what you wanted. In any case, you can use the same idea to end up soloing on the changes if you'd rather. >I play tunes that have AABB or AABA structure. What I'd like to do >is something like this live: set params :- SwitchQuant =CnF MoreLoops=2 >1. Put down a 2-4 bar groove. > >2. Multiply the groove and overdub the head of the AABA tune. > >3. Overdub the chord changes. 3. now as you have SwitchQuant =CnF you can do the overdub of the chord changes by first hitting NextLoop(before the time where you'd start the overdub), then hit Multiply when you want to actually start overdubbing the chords. You'll have to hit Mult again at the end of the structure, OR if you want to start O/D ing the rhythms right away you can end the Multiply by hitting Overdub. >4. Put in rhythm fills every 8 bars and on the turnaround. yep, just the same for this bit >5. Here's the tricky part: With one pedal press, undo #2 _only_ and >go into overdub to start soloing over the tune. Now use NextLoop to go back to Loop1 ( NextLoop followed by Undo) >I can do each of the steps above on the EDP except for the last one. > >Is anybody doing anything like this? I don't try to emulate conventional structures (usually), but explore what's possible. > If so, how are you doing it? > >Thanks, >Kevin andy butler www.andybutler.com mp3 &info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:47:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BE813BF2A; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JQBYMw1DMbzpQbPrQeFxBgln25E1ETIXbb0P96uNomM/Mk+MhxuXEHuiXqIYHRjBWNnihqzQ51hgubFXRDhk7PddO9SH3pKW4qouAHNSoW4W64ayq4lK19uD4NxS0y5V3HYelxzQzpGTbXi8Nr/UuktAEAb7xEELCLPyQy6zuOQ= ; Message-ID: <20060213104700.91869.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: combining transducers,magnetics,piezos and internal mics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060212101551.01a90ea8@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2-u.A.G0D.lOG8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:47:01 +0000 (UTC) yes,i mean in this case for a steel string,like i said more for the purpose of applying effects since this transducers arent directly amplifying the strings,so it sounds like a magnetic would do a good job,but then we are talking about drilling another output hole on the guitar with 3 cables going into the mixing board,oh lordy...;-) the LR baggs M1 sounds wonderful but the rare earth aint bad either... cheers Luis --- Kevin wrote: > At 04:18 AM 2/12/2006, Lius wrote: > >I have > >never used a magnetic,do you think this would be a > >better option than a piezo? > > It depends on how you want to sound and whether > you're using nylon or > steel strings. A magnetic pickup is only going to > work on steel strings. > > Whenever electricity's involved, your sound will be > compromised. The > best acoustic guitar sound is always unamplified. > Second best is a > couple of studio-quality microphones. After that > it's a matter of > taste. A magnetic pickup on an acoustic guitar will > sound a bit like > a jazz electric hollowbody guitar. A piezo > transducer will sound > harsh in the upper ranges and kind of crinkly. An > internal > microphone is good but won't pick up well all the > delicate sounds of > fingernail against string, and will be lower-range > by comparison with > the piezo. For these reasons, people will choose > combinations of > magnetic pickup, transducer and/or internal mic as > well as preamps > and mini-mixing systems. > > The best judge here is going to be your own two > ears. Because of all > the acoustic compromises, your choice is going to > depend on your > venue and your own style of music. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 10:54:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1AE73BF22; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALDx70OCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060213105122.027eb0b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:53:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: How do YOU loop?Miko In-Reply-To: <20060213063227.AB74C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060213063227.AB74C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:54:14 +0000 (UTC) >Don't overdub at first... just close the first pass with loopcopy and you're >into loop 2 multiplying as well as overdubbing your input. It just takes one >phrase in loop 1, then get the hell over to loop 2! You always have a >'breakdown' by returning to loop 1. It's even the same number of button >pushes. Instead of going into overdub, you end with nextloop, and are >overdubbing AND multiplying. It's actually a bonus to do it that way. Cool, how about sharing the necessary params to make this work? andybutler www.andybutler.com mp3 & info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 11:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C82113BF1A; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1139830217!31274407!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E0C@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: How do YOU loop? Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:30:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C63090.E1782890" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:30:20 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63090.E1782890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" radio massacre international: we usually use our loopers over a bed of analogue sequencing, though often the loop will be there without the sequencer lines, either before they come in or after they're gone, or even during an "atmosopheric" interlude between two bouts of sequencer workout. it occurs to us sometimes that this is a bit formulaic, but then we think "well, what's wrong with that? other types of music use formula constructions too...." the contents of the loop (& whether or not it's strictly synchronised with the sequencer parts) will vary from piece to piece. the sequencer parts are generally one or two bars of 1/8, 1/16 or 1/32 note patterns played by a variety of analogue synth voices or other percussive/melodic sounds (mbira, marimba, electric piano, white & tuned noise & so forth). the sequencers are hardware devices- doepfer, notron, sequentix, arp &c. so the loops are sometimes keyboard parts, electronic noises, bass guitar, noises from microphones (the other keys player is also a drummer, & has taken to using a kit of "toys" adjacent to or instead of his regular kit, which he plays through a mic into the EH16s reissue, not synchronised to anything). our guitarist uses a jamman for synchronised loops & echo, & a DL4 for non-sync echoes, though he is getting better at tap-tempo.... :-) as regards the actual hardware- the live rig at the moment contains a repeater (often with a stereo "pad" or loop already in it for a particular number in the set), an echo-pro, the aforementioned jamman & regular DL4, & the EH16s reissue. the master clock for the whole shebang is an electribe es-1, with a nice big tap-tempo button for rapid changes. only the jamman doesn't handle this (tempo change) properly. at other times, we have also used a second jamman, a DOD dimension 12, a vortex, a modified boss rps-10 (extended "freeze" duration at expense of fidelity), another DL4, powertran MCS-1, bel BD80, two revoxes, two uher portables..... despite the variety of looping tools at our disposal, the basic approach is to allow or to force degradation of whatever is looping before it becomes tiresome. I know that's a bit vague..... what we'll either do is add layers to the loop until the first pass is inaudible, or else distort the loop contents by running them through effects & rerecording them, or punching holes in them (by dropping in & out of record with o/dub turned down) to create a rhythmic effect. duncan www.radiomassacreinternational.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63090.E1782890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: How do YOU loop?

radio massacre = international:
we usually use our loopers = over a bed of analogue sequencing, though often the loop will be there = without the sequencer lines, either before they come in or after = they're gone, or even during an "atmosopheric" interlude = between two bouts of sequencer workout.

it occurs to us sometimes = that this is a bit formulaic, but then we think "well, what's = wrong with that? other types of music use formula constructions = too...."

the contents of the loop = (& whether or not it's strictly synchronised with the sequencer = parts) will vary from piece to piece. the sequencer parts are generally = one or two bars of 1/8, 1/16 or 1/32 note patterns played by a variety = of analogue synth voices or other percussive/melodic sounds (mbira, = marimba, electric piano, white & tuned noise & so forth). =

the sequencers are hardware = devices- doepfer, notron, sequentix, arp &c.

so the loops are sometimes = keyboard parts, electronic noises, bass guitar, noises from microphones = (the other keys player is also a drummer, & has taken to using a = kit of "toys" adjacent to or instead of his regular kit, = which he plays through a mic into the EH16s reissue, not synchronised = to anything).

our guitarist uses a jamman = for synchronised loops & echo, & a DL4 for non-sync echoes, = though he is getting better at tap-tempo.... :-)

as regards the actual = hardware- the live rig at the moment contains a repeater (often with a = stereo "pad" or loop already in it for a particular number in = the set), an echo-pro, the aforementioned jamman & regular DL4, = & the EH16s reissue. the master clock for the whole shebang is an = electribe es-1, with a nice big tap-tempo button for rapid changes. = only the jamman doesn't handle this (tempo change) properly.

at other times, we have = also used a second jamman, a DOD dimension 12, a vortex, a modified = boss rps-10 (extended "freeze" duration at expense of = fidelity), another DL4, powertran MCS-1, bel BD80, two revoxes, two = uher portables.....

despite the variety of = looping tools at our disposal, the basic approach is to allow or to = force degradation of whatever is looping before it becomes tiresome. I = know that's a bit vague..... what we'll either do is add layers to the = loop until the first pass is inaudible, or else distort the loop = contents by running them through effects & rerecording them, or = punching holes in them (by dropping in & out of record with o/dub = turned down) to create a rhythmic effect.

duncan

www.radiomassacreinternational.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C63090.E1782890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 12:40:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174123BF14; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:40:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Roland guitar synth future Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:40:53 +0000 (UTC) At 11:10 PM -0600 2/12/06, mech wrote: >>I wish that when Roland/Boss did their set of hex-pickup enabled >>pedals, that they would have done a GR100 (hex fuzz + hex filter) >>in a pedal. I've never played one, but the architecture sounds >>ideal for people who want to use conventional guitar techniques. > >Perhaps try looking around for the OC-20g PolyOctave stompbox? It's >one of the two GK-effect stompboxes that came out from Boss (the >other being the WP-20g Wave Processor). Never played one myself, >but I tripped over it while researching the Wave Processor. I was >somewhat surprised to see they'd incorporated a distortion/fuzz >element to it. Addendum: Agh! Scratch my previous comment. I did a little more digging and found that Boss cheaped out and just used a plain old ordinary distortion circuit in this box (running a summed output of all six strings) rather than implementing a true polyphonic distortion. Talk about a missed opportunity. Sorry for the distraction. Carry on.... --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 12:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61A8E3BF19; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k6LajGriGDHfK0AK5RH9Ief8S6AnKn9QYZVowk1pPHlZm1JCdHi8JYT1jmjfmKyFiyteA3dWdeN4EF93/tOakeoApKRtSqtl5H8R0ld1FE7uTActIskjueuKFoBOvC+TOrBWiawfi6yLvzU+o1iWUdBgQnP4j8Kjysi/XcDL/qM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602130446j61701273t5a926a7ac3c79eb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:46:50 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland guitar synth future In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:46:51 +0000 (UTC) On 2/13/06, mech wrote: > Addendum: Agh! Scratch my previous comment. I did a little more > digging and found that Boss cheaped out and just used a plain old > ordinary distortion circuit in this box (running a summed output of > all six strings) rather than implementing a true polyphonic > distortion. Talk about a missed opportunity. I doubt it was missed by accident, poly distortion was a USP for the VG ser= ies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 13:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07FE23BF1F; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060213104700.91869.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060213104700.91869.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DD5495A-1E4B-4047-A106-A8C1A3FA63C7@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: combining transducers,magnetics,piezos and internal mics Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:59:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:00:28 +0000 (UTC) All, I somewhat disagree with the previous post concerning piezo's, been exceedingly happy with the sound generated by my RMC's ( http:// www.rmcpickup.com ) in a L5 clone that is also using Seymour Duncan SH-2Neck, SH-4Bridge magnetic pickups. Now, I also have to admit, in the past, that I've not been the most happy with piezo pickups (Ovation (?), Fishman, and LR Baggs) due to a number of issues, mostly pertaining to being very "nasal and thin" sounding, along with being very prone to feeding back uncontrollably, let alone the other various noises that seemed to be amplified (such as string scratches) and very unforgiving. Had some moderate lucky using a Fishman system, that used a microphone and piezo element in conjunction with each other, though from what I remember, that system was as expensive if not more so than the RMC's, which I've found myself to be happier using. With the RMC's, the main downers are that they require a few holes in your instrument, they are fairly pricy, and can be complicated to install (this is according to Richard, the owner/builder) as I've never done the actual installation, myself. The only other downer, I can think of is that there isn't a 7-string option available, yet... The flip-side, is that my hollowbody jazz box plugged in and running only on the piezo's is a bit brighter (a little more lower, mid- midrange, less upper midrange, and little less bass), but otherwise fairly similiar to what I'm used to hearing if I've not got the instrument plugged in at all. Funny thing about these pickups is that in playing a few tiny venues, I ended up playing strictly through the piezos in order to avoid feedback being generated by the magnetics, when the house speakers were quite literally surrounding and pointing inward towards their stage area. The other option out there, that does have a 7-string option, but is equally as pricey is the Ghost System, produced by Graphtech ( http:// www.graphtech.com/prodghost.htm ), though I've not yet heard one of these systems plugged in, so I can't make any comments as to a comparison with the RMC's, though from what I've read on the MIDIGuitar group off of Yahoo, they're fairly straight-forward to install, but they are just as expensive, if not a touch moreso. Later on, Lee On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > yes,i mean in this case for a steel string,like i said > more for the purpose of applying effects since this > transducers arent directly amplifying the strings,so > it sounds like a magnetic would do a good job,but then > we are talking about drilling another output hole on > the guitar with 3 cables going into the mixing > board,oh lordy...;-) > the LR baggs M1 sounds wonderful but the rare earth > aint bad either... > cheers > Luis > > --- Kevin wrote: > >> At 04:18 AM 2/12/2006, Lius wrote: >>> I have >>> never used a magnetic,do you think this would be a >>> better option than a piezo? >> >> It depends on how you want to sound and whether >> you're using nylon or >> steel strings. A magnetic pickup is only going to >> work on steel strings. >> >> Whenever electricity's involved, your sound will be >> compromised. The >> best acoustic guitar sound is always unamplified. >> Second best is a >> couple of studio-quality microphones. After that >> it's a matter of >> taste. A magnetic pickup on an acoustic guitar will >> sound a bit like >> a jazz electric hollowbody guitar. A piezo >> transducer will sound >> harsh in the upper ranges and kind of crinkly. An >> internal >> microphone is good but won't pick up well all the >> delicate sounds of >> fingernail against string, and will be lower-range >> by comparison with >> the piezo. For these reasons, people will choose >> combinations of >> magnetic pickup, transducer and/or internal mic as >> well as preamps >> and mini-mixing systems. >> >> The best judge here is going to be your own two >> ears. Because of all >> the acoustic compromises, your choice is going to >> depend on your >> venue and your own style of music. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> www.TheNettles.com >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 13:21:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 496DE3BF1C; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c630a0$811e3920$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:22:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:21:44 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, 13 February, 2006 08:16 AM Subject: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > Hi Loopers, > > Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight Essential > Listening section. It's that time again! > > The last time we discussed this was in 2003, and a lot of great > recommendations came out of that discussion. At that time we tried to > focus on the 1990's. I've finally incorporated those listening > recommendations into the latest incarnation of the Essential Listening > Loopography: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/loopography/Records.html > > If you haven't been there recently, check it out. I've added a bunch of > new entries based on submissions from many of you. > > This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. What were the essential > recordings from the 1980's that every looper ought to listen to? Please > propose your ideas and let's discuss it! Please include a paragraph or two > about why you think that recording is essential for looping. > > So, what makes something an essential recording for looping? There are no > hard and fast guidelines. > > They might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were > first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music > where it hadn't been used before, or with an instrument where it hadn't > been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to > become interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, or > simply a perfect example of looping from a legendary looping artist. > > Another thing we learned in 2003 is that proposing yourself as essential > probably won't go over very well. :-) > > Also, there were several good recommendations made last time where nobody > supplied a good review paragraph to go with it. I still need somebody to > write a good review about why these albums are essential for looping: > Robert Fripp - Let the Power Fall (1981) I'll do my best! Didn't anyone submit "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the King/Queen"? > Please help me out with that if you are familiar with these albums! > > You may be interested in reading some of the 2003 discussion on this if > you weren't around for it, it is quite amusing: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=essential&Search=Search&restricttofiles=on&filelist=200307&filelist=200306&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case > > Ok, discuss! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 13:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 615473BF1F; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c630a4$db784560$d4b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060213063227.AB74C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060213105122.027eb0b0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? Andy Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:53:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I'll try to look at them... I'm sometimes a bit confused about what causes certain rounding and recording states with some of the modes. I'm packing and taking off later today to go skiing with my son. I'll try to look at them and post something when I'm back this weekend. -miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re:Re: How do YOU loop?Miko > > >Don't overdub at first... just close the first pass with loopcopy and you're > >into loop 2 multiplying as well as overdubbing your input. It just takes one > >phrase in loop 1, then get the hell over to loop 2! You always have a > >'breakdown' by returning to loop 1. It's even the same number of button > >pushes. Instead of going into overdub, you end with nextloop, and are > >overdubbing AND multiplying. It's actually a bonus to do it that way. > > Cool, > > how about sharing the necessary params to make this work? > > andybutler > www.andybutler.com mp3 & info > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 15:57:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45A2D3BF1C; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q8E4XrIMfA5r/HlC+EaRFloRA1qx2B9YzVxSauSBzr8g+IzktMz1bH+8JoSSrsivzaPR+Tz76qaF8zuEojqN95c9JtgvES3aAYiaIn9juaJsABjXjVbFK6Zo7EDPAgC4yj6E+Ji25ARLQAdOZtpGzJJKBDUBgnRzVAV55b8FsMo= ; Message-ID: <20060213155714.23546.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: combining transducers,magnetics,piezos and internal mics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8DD5495A-1E4B-4047-A106-A8C1A3FA63C7@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Lee, ive heard the opposite actually,that magnetic pickups tend to be less prone to feedback as Piezos,as far as graphtech and RMC comparisons i did a lot of research and they come very close in all aspects,although Axel Rudich who is installing the RMC on my electric says RMCs (for technical reasons ive forgotten)are slightly better. Luis > not got the > instrument plugged in at all. Funny thing about > these pickups is > that in playing a few tiny venues, I ended up > playing strictly > through the piezos in order to avoid feedback being > generated by the > magnetics, when the house speakers were quite > literally surrounding > and pointing inward towards their stage area. > > The other option out there, that does have a > 7-string option, but is > equally as pricey is the Ghost System, produced by > Graphtech ( http:// > www.graphtech.com/prodghost.htm ), though I've not > yet heard one of > these systems plugged in, so I can't make any > comments as to a > comparison with the RMC's, though from what I've > read on the > MIDIGuitar group off of Yahoo, they're fairly > straight-forward to > install, but they are just as expensive, if not a > touch moreso. > > Later on, > > > Lee > > On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > yes,i mean in this case for a steel string,like i > said > > more for the purpose of applying effects since > this > > transducers arent directly amplifying the > strings,so > > it sounds like a magnetic would do a good job,but > then > > we are talking about drilling another output hole > on > > the guitar with 3 cables going into the mixing > > board,oh lordy...;-) > > the LR baggs M1 sounds wonderful but the rare > earth > > aint bad either... > > cheers > > Luis > > > > --- Kevin wrote: > > > >> At 04:18 AM 2/12/2006, Lius wrote: > >>> I have > >>> never used a magnetic,do you think this would be > a > >>> better option than a piezo? > >> > >> It depends on how you want to sound and whether > >> you're using nylon or > >> steel strings. A magnetic pickup is only going to > >> work on steel strings. > >> > >> Whenever electricity's involved, your sound will > be > >> compromised. The > >> best acoustic guitar sound is always unamplified. > >> Second best is a > >> couple of studio-quality microphones. After that > >> it's a matter of > >> taste. A magnetic pickup on an acoustic guitar > will > >> sound a bit like > >> a jazz electric hollowbody guitar. A piezo > >> transducer will sound > >> harsh in the upper ranges and kind of crinkly. > An > >> internal > >> microphone is good but won't pick up well all the > >> delicate sounds of > >> fingernail against string, and will be > lower-range > >> by comparison with > >> the piezo. For these reasons, people will choose > >> combinations of > >> magnetic pickup, transducer and/or internal mic > as > >> well as preamps > >> and mini-mixing systems. > >> > >> The best judge here is going to be your own two > >> ears. Because of all > >> the acoustic compromises, your choice is going to > >> depend on your > >> venue and your own style of music. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Kevin > >> www.TheNettles.com > >> > >> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED2083BF14; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060213080708.01a8c368@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:29:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) At 12:16 AM 2/13/2006, you wrote: >Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight >Essential Listening section. It's that time again! >This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. For the 80's I'd like to nominate: "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" by Brian Eno and David Byrne. This is one of the most influential looping albums of all time with its use of polyrhythms, spoken word and of course intense looping. By comparison "Remain in Light" by Talking Heads should be considered a side-project of this work. The "M-Base" movement headed by Steve Coleman and Greg Osby took jazz type looping in a completely different direction that has been enormously influential on jazz/rock/funk/noise/hiphop/looping artists here in the US Pacific Northwest. (Relatively) famous folks influenced by this would probably include: Bill Frisell and Wayne Horvitz. Unfortunately M-Base is almost totally unknown. Recordings are very hard to find because Stefan F. Winter's recording company, JMT Productions of Germany, went bankrupt. I'd like to also nominate for the 70's, "On the Corner" by Miles Davis. Totally panned at the time, the looping modal grooves of this album and a lot of Miles's "electric" period has influenced a whole later generation of jazz, rock and hiphop artists. All I've got time for for now, I gotta go to work. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:34:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E601E3BF22; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30723815.1139848450358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:34:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) SUBMITTED: Roger Miller "Elemental Guitar" (SST) ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Goodman >Sent: Feb 13, 2006 8:22 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kim Flint" >To: >Sent: Monday, 13 February, 2006 08:16 AM >Subject: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > > >> Hi Loopers, >> >> Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight Essential >> Listening section. It's that time again! >> >> The last time we discussed this was in 2003, and a lot of great >> recommendations came out of that discussion. At that time we tried to >> focus on the 1990's. I've finally incorporated those listening >> recommendations into the latest incarnation of the Essential Listening >> Loopography: >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/loopography/Records.html >> >> If you haven't been there recently, check it out. I've added a bunch of >> new entries based on submissions from many of you. >> >> This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. What were the essential >> recordings from the 1980's that every looper ought to listen to? Please >> propose your ideas and let's discuss it! Please include a paragraph or two >> about why you think that recording is essential for looping. >> >> So, what makes something an essential recording for looping? There are no >> hard and fast guidelines. >> >> They might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were >> first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music >> where it hadn't been used before, or with an instrument where it hadn't >> been used before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to >> become interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, or >> simply a perfect example of looping from a legendary looping artist. >> >> Another thing we learned in 2003 is that proposing yourself as essential >> probably won't go over very well. :-) >> >> Also, there were several good recommendations made last time where nobody >> supplied a good review paragraph to go with it. I still need somebody to >> write a good review about why these albums are essential for looping: >> Robert Fripp - Let the Power Fall (1981) > >I'll do my best! Didn't anyone submit "Under Heavy Manners/God Save the >King/Queen"? > >> Please help me out with that if you are familiar with these albums! >> >> You may be interested in reading some of the 2003 discussion on this if >> you weren't around for it, it is quite amusing: >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=essential&Search=Search&restricttofiles=on&filelist=200307&filelist=200306&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case >> >> Ok, discuss! >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:45:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EFA33BF35; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MGTMoOGFgpFO+WhaDIZtUqelu0U0bLnIuXhBE7Pb5Gi1o+OtHGb0zhMPl7fmcjAhOUJaYnB0ADdQ3Vt6IZPleDpuMUN5iFjdjCIzu6WuTL7/qG+To0xSOp4BIdi/Pk5ufAfirsHZyZQXrjBSQwTfUgg7mY+abR8bDTR9yIMf2VI= ; Message-ID: <20060213164543.58074.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: laptop albums To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060213163412.64BA23BF28@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1793265986-1139849142=:57788" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:45:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-1793265986-1139849142=:57788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks for some of the laptop albums... i just got the fennesz 'endless summer' and have been enjoying that over the weekend. it's funny at times it just sounds like radio static, and i wonder anymore about my listening tastes, i seem to like to listen to noise and feedback.... the fennesz has a nice mix of identifiable guitar sounds along w/ processed noise, which i understand is mostly generated from guitar by him, and i've seen some pics of him live playing a strat into a line 6 pod and then signal goes to a laptop. some very interesting sounds.... s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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thanks for some of the laptop albums...
i just got the fennesz 'endless summer' and have been enjoying that over the weekend.
it's funny at times it just sounds like radio static, and i wonder anymore
about my listening tastes, i seem to like to listen to noise and feedback....
the fennesz has  a nice mix of identifiable guitar sounds along w/ processed
noise, which i understand is mostly generated from guitar by him, and i've seen
some pics of him live playing a strat into a line 6 pod and then signal goes to
a laptop. some very interesting sounds....
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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-1793265986-1139849142=:57788-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0BC23BF42; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Feb 2006 16:46:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:46:36 -0500 Subject: Re: The Dark Age X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: > If the clubs are no good in your town then check the=20 > other venues, the ones posted on telephone poles and bulletin=20 > boards. Check out house concerts. Have a music party and jam with=20 > a bunch of other folks, especially folks who play really different=20 > music from what you listen to. Music isn't a commodity it's a=20 > community. Indeed! My favorite gigs of the last few years have all been house parties= and warehouse shows put on by people creating alternatives to the "club sc= ene".=20=20 For those of you who have never put on a house concert, you'd be surprised = how little it takes and how fun it is. And since there is no "club overhea= d" to=20 feed, %100 of the door goes to the musicians, who usually end up with more = $ than your average club gig. The audience usually has a more rewarding=20 experience because they are there specifically to hear music, so you have a= lready filtered out most of the "I wanna go to the bar to drink and talk" c= rowd=20 that can be at odds with the "I wanna listen to music crowd". The usual standard around here is $5 to $10 sliding scale with noone turned= away for lack of funds, BYOB, and the house provides a bowl of chili or=20 something. Sometimes at larger warehouse shows the house will sell beer/wi= ne at very cheap rates (eg, $2 a beer). Anyway, there are alternatives out there.=20 Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 16:56:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3E8D3BF43; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09e001c630be$71475ea0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Cc: Subject: My piano looping on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:56:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09DD_01C630C6.D2D28E30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 16:56:19.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[69756AA0:01C630BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:56:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09DD_01C630C6.D2D28E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi people,=20 for those of you who are interested,=20 I've upload a video about my piano-looping performance=20 at 1st Zurich Loopfestival, last august 2005. in a *.mov format (about 24 Mb) I've build it adding to the video (with some effects), the original track recorded on the stage with my MD. The orginal audio is just at the end Here's the link: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/VIDEO/index.htm .....As usual....comments are welcome Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url --------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality Notice : This message, together with its annexes, = contains information to be deemed strictly confidential and is destined = only to the addressee(s) identified above who only may use, copy and, = under his/their responsibility, further disseminate it. If anyone = received this message by mistake or reads it without entitlement is = forewarned that keeping, copying, disseminating or distributing this = message to persons other than the addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and = is asked to transmit it immediately to the sender and to erase the = original message received. 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Hi people, =
for those of you who = are=20 interested,
I've upload a video = about my=20 piano-looping performance
at 1st Zurich = Loopfestival, last=20 august 2005.
in a *.mov = format (about 24=20 Mb)
 
I've build it adding = to the video=20 (with some effects),
the original track = recorded on the=20 stage with my MD.
The orginal audio is = just at the=20 end
Here's the link: = http://xoom= er.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/VIDEO/index.htm
 
.....As = usual....comments are=20 welcome
 
Fabio = Anile
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_09DD_01C630C6.D2D28E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 17:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 617F63BF2B; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c630c2$15934700$a4b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060213080708.01a8c368@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:22:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:20:10 +0000 (UTC) > "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" by Brian Eno and David Byrne. This really expanded my mind as well... absolutely essential. Wow. > I'd like to also nominate for the 70's, "On the Corner" by Miles Davis... Great Expectations from "Big Fun" is one of my all time favorites. Not sure if it's real time or spliced, but it's extremely hypnotic. Love OTC as well... -miko From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 17:47:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF9883BF28; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213094739.0471a1a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:50:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's In-Reply-To: <30723815.1139848450358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <30723815.1139848450358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:47:38 +0000 (UTC) At 08:34 AM 2/13/2006, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >SUBMITTED: Roger Miller "Elemental Guitar" (SST) Can you explain why? If you are submitting something, please also include a paragraph or two explaining why you think that particular album is essential to looping. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 18:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C305A3BF27; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <09e001c630be$71475ea0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <09e001c630be$71475ea0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My piano looping on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:02:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:02:12 +0000 (UTC) On 13 feb 2006, at 17.56, Fabio Anile wrote: > .....As usual....comments are welcome As good as I remember it from Z=FCrich! ;-) It's nice to hear the DI recorded version because the piano wasn't =20 that sharp and clear on the club PA. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 19:09:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73CC43BF2A; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:09:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060213080708.01a8c368@TheNettles.com> Message-Id: <3829180E-9CC4-11DA-8CA8-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:09:16 +0000 (UTC) On Monday, February 13, 2006, at 08:29 AM, Kevin wrote: > At 12:16 AM 2/13/2006, you wrote: >> Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight >> Essential Listening section. It's that time again! >> This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. > > For the 80's I'd like to nominate: > > "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" by Brian Eno and David Byrne. > This is one of the most influential looping albums of all time with > its use of polyrhythms, spoken word and of course intense looping. By > comparison "Remain in Light" by Talking Heads should be considered a > side-project of this work. > > The "M-Base" movement headed by Steve Coleman and Greg Osby took jazz > type looping in a completely different direction that has been > enormously influential on jazz/rock/funk/noise/hiphop/looping artists > here in the US Pacific Northwest. (Relatively) famous folks > influenced by this would probably include: Bill Frisell and Wayne > Horvitz. Unfortunately M-Base is almost totally unknown. Recordings > are very hard to find because Stefan F. Winter's recording company, > JMT Productions of Germany, went bankrupt. The M-Base movement of the late 80's/early 90's was certainly an influence on this jazz/rock/funk/noise/hiphop/looping artist in the PNW :-). However, I'd disagree on a few points. Frisell and Horvitz, while possibly influenced by M-Base, were already pretty much heavily "on the scene" in NYC when the M-Base collective sounds started to come out, both have extensive catalogs of releases that predate M-Base, and were both a big part of the 80's downtown NYC scene (Zorn, Knitting Factory, et al). Wayne Horvitz once told me an interesting anecdote about how John Zorn started practicing his sax seriously again after hearing Coleman for the first time :-). Also, I don't recall much on the way of live looping on the M-Base scene, as I recall, most of their stuff was played live (and brilliantly), but their approach to very tightly locked-in polyrhythms is certainly adaptable to live looping. Also, you may be pleased to learn that Stefan Winters new label, Winter & Winter, is re-issuing a lot of the classic JMT catalog. Here are some of my candidates for classic looping albums of the dark '80's. I'm extremely busy at the moment dealing with gigs and car issues, but if I get a chance, I'll write up some reviews of these for the LD site as soon as I can. Paul Dresher and Ned Rothenberg: Opposites Attract (New World 1991). This (unfortunately long out of print) disc pairs guitarist/composer/system builder Dresher with, IMHO, one of the greatest reeds players on the planet for a set of heavily looped, rock-influenced pieces. Dresher built a custom 4-track analog tape-based looping system and the 2 began collaborating in the mid-80's. However, the highly rhythmic nature of the music, combined with the inaccuracy of the tape-based system, caused them to shelve the project until 1989, when cheap digital samplers arrived on the scene. Moving a number of the tape loops onto samplers, they created a set of compositions, and added NYC new jazz luminaries like Bobby Previte, Mark Dresser, Samm Bennett, and, in a relatively rare avant-jazz setting, contrabass guitar virtuoso Anthony Jackson. The music is not dissimilar to Fripp/Belew/Levin/Bruford-era King Crimson, with sax/bass clarinet/shakuhachi replacing one of the guitars, and a downtown NYC sensibility. Brilliant stuff! (Postscript: I just glanced at the essential listening section on LD.com and noticed I'd already submitted an extensive review of this disc already. oops:-) Scott Johnson: John Somebody(Elektra Nonesuch 1986) and Patty Hearst: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Elektra Nonesuch 1988). Guitarist/composer Johnson did some very novel pieces for the time, using tape loops of spoken word and driving pitch/rhythm/harmonic content from the loops to write instrumental parts to accompany the loops. On "John Somebody", he takes the phrase, "Do you know who's in New York? Remember that guy John somebody? He was a, he was sort of a b..." spoken by a women with something of a brooklyn accent, and builds a very cool wall of prog-rockist guitar around it. On the soundtrack to Paul Schrader's Patty Hearst bio-pic, he uses scattered bits of dialog from the film to generate a spooky and effective score for strings, keys, guitar and percussion. This soundtrack, unfortunately out-of-print, is much better than the film it accompanies, IMHO. Coincidentally enough, my wife pulled out the Patty Hearst soundtrack last night and we were once again amazed by it. Other IMHO important discs missing from the loopography: David Torn: Cloud About Mercury, Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back and Fear of a Black Planet, Early Illbient-scene stuff from NYC like DJ Spooky, Sub Dub and We, and probably a million other discs I'm not thinking of at the moment. Also, would it be to early to acknowledge Ted Killian's Flux Aeterna as a looping classic? It's one of those discs that still catches my ear when it pops up in iTunes. I played this for the band on the tour bus after we met Ted at a gig in Ashland, and the guys were amazed this music came out of such a nice and unassuming guy. :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 19:31:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97C0B3BF24; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <30723815.1139848450358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30723815.1139848450358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:31:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:31:27 +0000 (UTC) At 11:34 AM -0500 2/13/06, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >SUBMITTED: Roger Miller "Elemental Guitar" (SST) In addition to his "Elemental Guitar" album that Tim mentioned, I'll throw in: Roger Miller "No Man Is Hurting Me" (currently OOP) "No Man Is Hurting Me" was the first and most well-known of Roger Miller's Maximum Electric Piano works produced between 1983-1988. Miller, who had up to that time been an alumni of both Mission of Burma and Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, primarily confines himself to using a 'prepared' Yamaha CP-70 piano run through an original Electro-Harmonix 16-second delay, while occasionally using guests to add extra instruments. Whereas many looping performers of the 1980's were exploring ambient textures and atmospheres, Miller instead uses his piano to lay down rhythmic -- at times frenetic -- percussion and chordal patterns that play over each other in a raucous (and occasionally cacophonous) manner. Maximum Electric Piano is also a good example of early Live Looping performances, since the entire second side of the album was recorded in a single session, with no overdubs. Indeed, seeing Miller perform during this time period was exhilarating, as he would construct entire songs from scratch using only the processed CP-70 and the Electro-Harmonix device. Miller went on to release two more LP's ("The Big Industry" & "Win! Instantly!") and an EP ("Groping Hands") before folding the Maximum Electric Piano project and moving on. All these releases are excellent, but the original pioneering "No Man Is Hurting Me" is the most famous/infamous of the series. --m. -- _______ " I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 20:26:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4823BF1B; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Looper's Essential Listening - M-Base Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:26:29 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c630db$c5df61c0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <3829180E-9CC4-11DA-8CA8-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Thread-Index: AcYw0Pw/acnQtB3GRAaPXCp3Ldr8IQACo6OQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:26:33 +0000 (UTC) > [about M-Base] > looping. Also, you may be pleased to learn that Stefan > Winters new label, Winter & Winter, is re-issuing a lot of > the classic JMT catalog. and you may be pleased to hear that all of the early albums by Steve Coleman, some tracks from the newer ones and an entire album not available on CD are available for download here http://www.m-base.org/sounds.html. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 21:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 430143BF1C; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4228.128.193.141.8.1139864969.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:09:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Beat Making Videos on YouTube From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <-KkDx.A.J8B.MWP8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Music Thing at: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/02/hip-hop-producers-on-youtube.html has a nice entry on hiphop beat making who seem to be the loopers who aren't on this mailing list. ;-) I particularly liked the video of Just Blaze making beats on his MPC which was very inspiring but there's also some other good videos of beat making at the beatmaking blog listed as well. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 21:13:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14E493BF1B; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4407.128.193.141.8.1139865193.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <30723815.1139848450358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:13:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) > At 11:34 AM -0500 2/13/06, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Whereas many looping performers of the 1980's > were exploring ambient textures and atmospheres,... Speaking of ambient, I'd like to add Brian Eno's "Music for Airports" as well as Fripp and Eno's "Evening Star" to this list of essential looper albums. I suppose you'll want paragraphs for those as well. Okay, okay, I'll get to it... Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 21:22:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 107A13BF28; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZiJelYh80AKZfui5jQch83+G1y9BZnEGepw2LcqUMMhuatkhbjP2Pg3Sc69MVp10IUu9TsMmGj6h/5wQyiuZ7YVKDJK/XsYb3AQJZWAMpYnO7bWoMJ+V3S9roHZW0rNgmZ6xF8vZpy2KkGo2TzKxmaIShxXuT9xhEHETPEvCOb8= Message-ID: <64b81a780602131322g5ee977f0p7da2f36e78a7f6ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:22:38 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_GE74D.A.DaC.jiP8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:22:44 +0000 (UTC) You could do something like this in Mobius. In fact, I think any looper that manipulates mutliple tracks (Mobius, the new Looperlative, Repeater, etc.) can do this. Just record the groove parts to track 1, A part to track 2, multiply/overdub as you like to those tracks, mute track2 (A part), record B part on track 3, overdub/solo, mute track 3, unmute/restart track2 for the finish. Classic ABA form. Pretty straight forward on a multi-track looper. A lot of tap dancing on pedals though. At least in Mobius you can script multiple operations to fire on single pedal presses. Todd On 2/12/06, Kevin wrote: > At 07:23 AM 2/12/2006, Andy wrote: > >The "big problem" with looping is to combine some sort of ABC type > >structure with loops that have a number of overdubs. After the A is > >built up, it usually sounds like an anticlimax to start a B part > >from nothing. There's no looping device available to let you keep > >the rhythm from the A part going as you start to record the B part. > > I play tunes that have AABB or AABA structure. What I'd like to do > is something like this live: > > 1. Put down a 2-4 bar groove. > > 2. Multiply the groove and overdub the head of the AABA tune. > > 3. Overdub the chord changes. > > 4. Put in rhythm fills every 8 bars and on the turnaround. > > 5. Here's the tricky part: With one pedal press, undo #2 _only_ and > go into overdub to start soloing over the tune. > > I can do each of the steps above on the EDP except for the last one. > > Is anybody doing anything like this? If so, how are you doing it? > > Thanks, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 22:33:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331C63BF0D; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SJ+KIVL6g6Pe3sDB392x6O31J395bB0YI603sqQp4jTa1LdtbXS3A7vIF4LPRh/ArCcyAbwjKMMMZ8Z3AOnJLqMC/vOYq5iANwIj8iNrb/iOOf84vo2uYEU7la1NZ1WDNrFXvpefDsgI0KttKZKxuQp6s9itXBTSKZzVMPZMb28= Message-ID: <6df9336a0602131433yd06a1e2oe3889f58c38a7abd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:33:24 -0700 From: skincage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: headrushers? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:27 +0000 (UTC) i've recently decided to become reacquainted with my akai headrush pedal and i'm curious about a couple of things: 1. since neither i nor anyone i've ever met owns four amps, i'm curious to know how folks are using the extra ouputs. is the level proper for sending to other pedals? are the outputs available in loop mode, and if so, would they be delayed versions of the mix output? 2. in tape delay and normal delay modes, the pots create clicks when turned. is this normal or do i need to get mine cleaned up? 3. how does the overdub feedback work in the headrush? since it's not adjustable i assume it's more or less an infinite pileup. thanks folks. i'm hoping to build a more portable looping rig and anything i can learn to increase flexibility without increasing gear is golden. jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 22:58:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BCF43BF32; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EsDXEHKjoAYgOEkpyCfNinulEop/hSUUaw9b5Q1HRnyv8jSScKXiQuEW3BuuxRyMJFCE5MqlCcy3JMvhcu+aGwhavsdpoIbAy2MAQgN6bTwcD2lpvV6ZLE1Mpw+M+9Pj9D+XLy6VCNEep7eFT7pK18HRVInA1nmN0vcSDxlJQR8= ; Message-ID: <20060213225850.37940.qmail@web60615.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:58:50 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Fata Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060213163412.64BA23BF28@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5AOINC.A.SdF.s8Q8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:58:53 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: > the 1980's Howzabout David Torn's 'Cloud About Mercury"?? 1987, significant stuff on this CD. Epiphany moment for me...!!!!! plus that Steinberger gtr looked cool at the time!! Never saw this act live, BUT, I got the chance to see Mark Isham (effected trumpet, etc. on the CD) at The Bottom Line, NYC around the same time with dt and Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio. Karn was actually supposed to play bass on the Torn CD. If I remember, they did some of Torn's music. But that's a loooong time ago. ffffffffffffffffffffffred __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:03:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9918E3BF3B; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F1103B.3070401@biink.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:03:23 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: References: <20060213225850.37940.qmail@web60615.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060213225850.37940.qmail@web60615.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Fred Fata wrote: >>Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: >>the 1980's >> >> > >Howzabout David Torn's 'Cloud About Mercury"?? > >1987, significant stuff on this CD. >Epiphany moment for me...!!!!! plus that Steinberger >gtr looked cool at the time!! >Never saw this act live, BUT, I got the chance to see >Mark Isham (effected trumpet, etc. on the CD) at The >Bottom Line, NYC around the same time with dt and Mick >Karn and Terry Bozzio. > > I was at that show! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:08:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3817B3BF45; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:08:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060213225850.37940.qmail@web60615.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Bingo! -----Original Message----- From: Fred Fata [mailto:fredwreck214@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: > Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: > the 1980's Howzabout David Torn's 'Cloud About Mercury"?? 1987, significant stuff on this CD. Epiphany moment for me...!!!!! plus that Steinberger gtr looked cool at the time!! Never saw this act live, BUT, I got the chance to see Mark Isham (effected trumpet, etc. on the CD) at The Bottom Line, NYC around the same time with dt and Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio. Karn was actually supposed to play bass on the Torn CD. If I remember, they did some of Torn's music. But that's a loooong time ago. ffffffffffffffffffffffred __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:13:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85BD33BF48; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:13:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4407.128.193.141.8.1139865193.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Oh Baby, not only is side two of Evening Star one of the most lyrical things Fripp has ever done IMHO, That album is the bomb as a sountrack for making sweet sweet love.. Ooh yeah... -----Original Message----- From: johnsrude@peak.org [mailto:johnsrude@peak.org] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > At 11:34 AM -0500 2/13/06, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Whereas many looping performers of the 1980's > were exploring ambient textures and atmospheres,... Speaking of ambient, I'd like to add Brian Eno's "Music for Airports" as well as Fripp and Eno's "Evening Star" to this list of essential looper albums. I suppose you'll want paragraphs for those as well. Okay, okay, I'll get to it... Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:14:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2FCC3BF4D; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C630F3.3C3D0FBF" Subject: RE: My piano looping on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: <887BA0472ABF144690159D13A2D32CE63537B4@whimail04.malcolmpirnie.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: My piano looping on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest Thread-Index: AcYw8zv+7m7eXiWYS2is40BUhduP0w== From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 23:14:26.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BA91240:01C630F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:14:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C630F3.3C3D0FBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio, =20 Beautiful performance! Now I've got to go out and get a piano to add to my slowly growing looping rig. =20 Lee =20 ________________________________ From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]=20 Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ambient@hyperreal.org Subject: My piano looping on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest =20 Hi people,=20 for those of you who are interested,=20 I've upload a video about my piano-looping performance=20 at 1st Zurich Loopfestival, last august 2005. in a *.mov format (about 24 Mb) =20 I've build it adding to the video (with some effects), the original track recorded on the stage with my MD. The orginal audio is just at the end Here's the link: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/VIDEO/index.htm =20 .....As usual....comments are welcome =20 Fabio Anile =20 http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= u rl =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------- Confidentiality Notice : This message, together with its annexes, contains information to be deemed strictly confidential and is destined only to the addressee(s) identified above who only may use, copy and, under his/their responsibility, further disseminate it. If anyone received this message by mistake or reads it without entitlement is forewarned that keeping, copying, disseminating or distributing this message to persons other than the addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and is asked to transmit it immediately to the sender and to erase the original message received. 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Fabio,<= /o:p>

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Beautiful = performance! Now I’ve got to go out and get a piano to add to my slowly growing = looping rig.

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Lee

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From: Fabio = Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]
Sent: Monday, February = 13, 2006 11:57 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: = ambient@hyperreal.org
Subject: My piano looping = on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest

 

Hi = people,

for = those of you who are interested,

I've = upload a video about my piano-looping performance

at 1st = Zurich Loopfestival, last august 2005.

in a *.mov format (about 24 Mb)

 

I've = build it adding to the video (with some effects),

the = original track recorded on the stage with my MD.

The = orginal audio is just at the end

 

.....As usual....comments are welcome

 

Fabio = Anile

 

 

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C630F3.3C3D0FBF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:18:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268E43BF52; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.49.153.77] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:18:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2006 23:18:31.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDF63A10:01C630F3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi there i don't know how much actual looping there was some would be looped and some midi'd but I found that Michael brook live at the Aquariam was a watershed moment for me. Graham Stuart >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:16:52 -0800 > >Hi Loopers, > >Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight Essential >Listening section. It's that time again! > >The last time we discussed this was in 2003, and a lot of great >recommendations came out of that discussion. At that time we tried to focus >on the 1990's. I've finally incorporated those listening recommendations >into the latest incarnation of the Essential Listening Loopography: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/loopography/Records.html > >If you haven't been there recently, check it out. I've added a bunch of new >entries based on submissions from many of you. > >This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. What were the essential >recordings from the 1980's that every looper ought to listen to? Please >propose your ideas and let's discuss it! Please include a paragraph or two >about why you think that recording is essential for looping. > >So, what makes something an essential recording for looping? There are no >hard and fast guidelines. > >They might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were >first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music where >it hadn't been used before, or with an instrument where it hadn't been used >before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to become >interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, or simply a >perfect example of looping from a legendary looping artist. > >Another thing we learned in 2003 is that proposing yourself as essential >probably won't go over very well. :-) > >Also, there were several good recommendations made last time where nobody >supplied a good review paragraph to go with it. I still need somebody to >write a good review about why these albums are essential for looping: >Robert Fripp - Let the Power Fall (1981) >David Torn - Tripping over God (1995) >David Torn - What Means 'Solid', Traveller? (1996) >Andre LaFosse - Normalized (2003) > >Please help me out with that if you are familiar with these albums! > >You may be interested in reading some of the 2003 discussion on this if you >weren't around for it, it is quite amusing: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=essential&Search=Search&restricttofiles=on&filelist=200307&filelist=200306&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case > >Ok, discuss! > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:26:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 255353BF2B; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c630f5$3e5f6dc0$d6b95545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: "Gary Lehmann" Cc: References: <20060213172714.PRNN17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? Andy - Gary Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:28:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:26:19 +0000 (UTC) > Miko wrote: I'll try to look at them... I'm sometimes a bit confused about what causes certain rounding and recording states with some of the modes. I'm packing and taking off later today to go skiing with my son. I'll try to look at them and post something when I'm back this weekend. -miko >> Gary and Andy both asked... Yes--this is something I would also be interested in hearing about, as I usually try to create music based on existing structures. Ok, I just checked... Param row 4 Autorecord: OFF Loopcopy: SND Switchquant: OFF Param row 2 Roundmode: OFF It's pretty much all unquantized, unrounded realtime fun... Remember to end your first phrase hitting Nextloop, and definitely begin playing something different. It's multiplying now, and you can go until you finish either the song segment, phrase, melody, whatever, and move on. My approach is to record the first loop using rythmic, and harmonically sparse events. I tend to use delay as a timekeeper, and either nonharmonic, or a common tone for the various chords of the piece. If you happen to have done a first loop that DOES have something harmonic, copy it immediately to Nextloop and close Multiply quickly leaving a fairly short loop that will fade when feedback is reduced. You can then begin adding new harmonic content, and with each pass reinforce it until the clashing harmonic stuff is gone. (I know it's a pain). I'm a big fan of SUSrecord and SUSodub and RPLinsert modes. These allow me to immediately begin chopping up my loop and inserting various events randomly. I'll go through all my loops adding the odd beeps and blips, then move among the loops to add variety. You can go further to reverse one loop, pitch shift another etc. As for Playing the chorus of a song, and hitting Nextloop and playing the verse, methinks you will still need that drum machine or other timekeeper synced up to the EDP. I play so little these days, that in many ways I thought I was just forgetting all this stuff, but I've started playing a bit more in the last month and realize I've got a new understanding of how I want to move around, and am surprising myself once again. Maybe I CAN evolve!? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:41:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89EF93BF2E; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: git synth suggestions!! Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:41:45 +0100 Message-ID: <006c01c630f7$0fc4d110$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C630FF.71893910" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:41:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C630FF.71893910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Thanks guys!! I got alot of interesting advice on this git synth question.. I was very interested in the Axxon system, but can someone tell me.. are all the sounds in it crappy GM sounds? that you cant tweak? The demo videos are hysterically bad, what awful sounds... i can hardly believe that they would use them for this demo videos if they had anything better, so was worried... The GR 30 sounds are crap too right out of the box... but after years of tweakage, I have got a lot of good stuff. So has someone here tried both GR30 and Axxon, (oh while I remember.... (could I still use the Roland pickup thats built into my guitar???) and can give me a comparison? As I already said the superior tracking really doesnt do it for me cos Im no speed freak guitarist, what Im interested in is the built in sequencer and the arpegiator (and the sounds...) is this a bit of a midi looper by any chance... (Im ploughing thru the manual, but its hard to get it without the machine infront of me... why do I want something new??? Well Im just not using the GR30 so much these days, and need a change???It got unplugged a while back and has not yet got back in my system, I DID have it triggering a Korg MS2000 and synched to the loopers, and it was great, but... oh I dunno, it was unweildy, sat there at my feet, I got a bad back and couldnt lean over any more.. I forgot it was there.. It was in the way when I vacuumed... it was... it was... it was fucking neglected OK???? so anyone wanna by a GR 30?? (or should I just pick it up off the floor and put it on a rack shelf...) help... marks website is at http://www.markfrancombe.com he works at http://www.transformlearning.com and writes for http://www.furthernoise.org Nikolas Courtney's website is at http://markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 15148 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. 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------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C630FF.71893910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:44:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1B93BF30; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=A0+0cWH5TkQenYBtH/VTE6T1Z45BDcOuqn80VF7YwEAEUcLGYt27VHV8H1NqirxT; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:44:38 -0800 Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? Andy - Gary From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c630f5$3e5f6dc0$d6b95545@Biffoz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48df437cc26609c268e845e859d1869fc187b2572753744e27350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.213.157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:44:36 +0000 (UTC) miko say: ... > I play so little these days, that in many ways I thought I was just > forgetting all this stuff, but I've started playing a bit more in the last > month and realize I've got a new understanding of how I want to move around, > and am surprising myself once again. Maybe I CAN evolve!? dude-from what i've heard of yer playin-you had bettah NOT B NOT playin! i know i'm a nut-and play every day forever-dont mind me...but 'maybe you can evolve' i'm hopin :-) -i never evolve-i think i'm goin backwards s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 13 23:52:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A089F3BF3C; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.029755 secs Process 5137) Message-ID: <4268.88.111.102.185.1139874776.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602131322g5ee977f0p7da2f36e78a7f6ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> <64b81a780602131322g5ee977f0p7da2f36e78a7f6ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:52:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:52:59 +0000 (UTC) I've managed a seamless ABA setup using my two Echo Pro's in the past, and am hoping to set up again in the next day or two... so as this is from memory, forgive me if my mind is telling me wrong things :) The two units are on different midi channels, and a patch is set up on the FCB1010 to 'switch' loopers - which basically sends a REC/PLAY/STOP signal to them both. Hit Rec for looper A, then get it into play/overdub mode. Once you have recorded the basis for the A part and move on, hit the 'switch' patch. It sends the Rec/Play/Stop signal to both of the loopers. As looper A is playing, it stops. If looper B is empty, it starts recording - or if it already has a loop in memory, it starts playing. Press the 'switch' button again, and looper B stops, and looper A kicks in etc. etc. I need to dig out the midi specs of the Echo Pro (are they available online still?), but I think there is a REC/STOP/PLAY option too, which simplifies the initial buildup of an ABA composition. Hit Rec for Looper A, Press the patch for REC/STOP/PLAY for both, and Looper A immediately stops, and looper B goes into record. The same concept could be used for any Midi looping setup and a bit of patience programming the old 1010. - Stu http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 00:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9DF83BF22; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:00:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4268.88.111.102.185.1139874776.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Brilliant! -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:loopersdelight@swyatt.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) I've managed a seamless ABA setup using my two Echo Pro's in the past, and am hoping to set up again in the next day or two... so as this is from memory, forgive me if my mind is telling me wrong things :) The two units are on different midi channels, and a patch is set up on the FCB1010 to 'switch' loopers - which basically sends a REC/PLAY/STOP signal to them both. Hit Rec for looper A, then get it into play/overdub mode. Once you have recorded the basis for the A part and move on, hit the 'switch' patch. It sends the Rec/Play/Stop signal to both of the loopers. As looper A is playing, it stops. If looper B is empty, it starts recording - or if it already has a loop in memory, it starts playing. Press the 'switch' button again, and looper B stops, and looper A kicks in etc. etc. I need to dig out the midi specs of the Echo Pro (are they available online still?), but I think there is a REC/STOP/PLAY option too, which simplifies the initial buildup of an ABA composition. Hit Rec for Looper A, Press the patch for REC/STOP/PLAY for both, and Looper A immediately stops, and looper B goes into record. The same concept could be used for any Midi looping setup and a bit of patience programming the old 1010. - Stu http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 00:05:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 118953BF1A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213160109.049c5e20@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:09:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: In-Reply-To: <20060213225850.37940.qmail@web60615.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060213163412.64BA23BF28@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060213225850.37940.qmail@web60615.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:05:32 +0000 (UTC) At 02:58 PM 2/13/2006, Fred Fata wrote: > > Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: > > the 1980's > >Howzabout David Torn's 'Cloud About Mercury"?? We discussed Torn albums the last time. David Torn himself apparently does not consider "Cloud About Mercury" to be a looping album. So it doesn't make much sense to include it on the essential listening page. Since we couldn't decide which of "what means solid traveller" and "tripping over god" to put on there, we opted to put up both albums. However, despite repeated pleading and begging, nobody wrote any review for either one explaining the importance of those albums to looping. I'm still waiting! You guys mention these all the time, surely one of you Torn fans can manage to come up with a couple paragraphs for each explaining why the looping on these recordings is interesting, how it fits in the historical context, what made it influential, etc. Give it a shot! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 00:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8A43BF24; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:22:04 -0500 Message-ID: <887BA0472ABF144690159D13A2D32CE63537E6@whimail04.malcolmpirnie.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Thread-Index: AcYw/K5rO3wNbOsWRbih2Mtkme+i5Q== From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 00:22:04.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE424BB0:01C630FC] Resent-Message-ID: <5xRhzB.A.qz._KS8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:22:24 +0000 (UTC) I had a friend that turned me on to Fripp. He had seen him at the Bear's Lair in Berkeley in the late 70's. Just Fripp and his tape decks. Through that friendship I listened to:=20 God Save the Queen/Under Heavy Manners and was mesmerized by the repetitive nature of that work. David Byrne sings on "Under Heavy Manners" in his quirky style speaking out a series of -ism words. Through that I got into crimson and other fripp. =20 Let the Powers Fail was a favorite of mine. I had it on cassette and would listen to it on long road trips. Unfortunately I lost the cassette some time ago (and since have lost the ability to play tapes in my car). I was always fascinated by the way Fripp would construct and then deconstruct his pieces. Sort of starting with a single tone and then ending the same way. =20 I don't think that the League of Gentelmen is looping (someone correct me if I'm wrong) but it had a repitive feel to it. =20 I'm curious how many of you had your first exposure to this style of music through Yes' "We Have Heaven" which must be some form of looping. I've never investigated or heard how that was recorded. That album was on my turntable an awful lot when I was twelve. =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 00:31:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E08D3BF2E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yOTwX3iQPXTqNHL8qtfYrLRuIHl58Rh1OB6iT6/aBELgy5KQUcELEM1U5a1qr+rjKJhC4ZrEkADF9m8O7ChMfpvCbS7NB9VEu+IMJKe33nZ5hx1/hW9rZie98lZn8roMJyN3QYeNKbeWDU/ZVSrkE9DsWT69YNEqswe1y6LjhJE= ; Message-ID: <20060214003058.17053.qmail@web33111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602131322g5ee977f0p7da2f36e78a7f6ec@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3q5k3B.A.sGB.DTS8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:31:00 +0000 (UTC) i am really looking forward to trying this out on the looperlative. the problem with the EDP is that things invariably go out of sync (even if you have two of them brother-jacked together). throw in midi-clock, all the hoo-hah with 8ths/cycles, mutes, insert-reverse and everything else and i often wind up with mysteriously moving start points and stuff slipping out of sync all too easily. --- Todd Pafford wrote: > You could do something like this in Mobius. In > fact, I think any > looper that manipulates mutliple tracks (Mobius, the > new Looperlative, > Repeater, etc.) can do this. Just record the groove > parts to track 1, > A part to track 2, multiply/overdub as you like to > those tracks, mute > track2 (A part), record B part on track 3, > overdub/solo, mute track 3, > unmute/restart track2 for the finish. Classic ABA > form. > > Pretty straight forward on a multi-track looper. A > lot of tap dancing > on pedals though. At least in Mobius you can script > multiple > operations to fire on single pedal presses. > Todd > > On 2/12/06, Kevin wrote: > > At 07:23 AM 2/12/2006, Andy wrote: > > >The "big problem" with looping is to combine some > sort of ABC type > > >structure with loops that have a number of > overdubs. After the A is > > >built up, it usually sounds like an anticlimax to > start a B part > > >from nothing. There's no looping device available > to let you keep > > >the rhythm from the A part going as you start to > record the B part. > > > > I play tunes that have AABB or AABA structure. > What I'd like to do > > is something like this live: > > > > 1. Put down a 2-4 bar groove. > > > > 2. Multiply the groove and overdub the head of the > AABA tune. > > > > 3. Overdub the chord changes. > > > > 4. Put in rhythm fills every 8 bars and on the > turnaround. > > > > 5. Here's the tricky part: With one pedal press, > undo #2 _only_ and > > go into overdub to start soloing over the tune. > > > > I can do each of the steps above on the EDP except > for the last one. > > > > Is anybody doing anything like this? If so, how > are you doing it? > > > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 00:44:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AB963BF35; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rO4ov+auhbfEnvaCC0hOd6JoKdn4HExax9yCdMje5F+8xNIososTerKGFCpmMZmGOLLJq0NAXwB2wa7Lj1PpL6tOE0I/9DoYxumvkZp9U1u+sBypf5SQYnGbFuNSEhVrGWXf7uYBffnEnpDV5ek+gw6yHV8yQgEmhv1xbRut4bo= ; Message-ID: <20060214004407.68399.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:44:07 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: now is it WRONG to have AAAA... songs? (Was: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4268.88.111.102.185.1139874776.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:44:08 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all the insight everyone has been sharing. this ultimately leads to my followup question: as a musician who is dependent/fascinated by looping, i've always wondered - is it somehow WRONG to have AAAA... structured songs? sure it's entirely subjective, but it's something i've always wondered. a lot of what's out there does seem to have ultimately ridiculously simple song structures or even a two-chord progression, yet i've heard people say that that's not really songwriting but more like soundscaping. can tones and textures do it alone? what do you guys think or what have your audiences been/not been receptive to? i'm very curious about all this as i tend to question myself a lot when i'm composing in the studio, hence much "song"writer's block and limited recorded output :( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 01:06:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D00B53BF24; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.028863 secs Process 8939) Message-ID: <4881.88.111.102.185.1139879179.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:06:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: now is it WRONG to have AAAA... songs? (Was: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?)) From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:06:19 +0000 (UTC) > - is it somehow WRONG to have AAAA... > structured songs? Not at all - as long as there is sufficient musical content to keep the listeners' interest. I suppose that I am very much an AAAAAAAAA type of performer (most of my performances utilised a single DL4)... My tricks are to keep the backing very modal or monotonic, and simple - thus allowing for a multitude of chord structures to be played over the top - you can then switch between majors/minors/diminished/5/7/9/11/13s etc at ease... As soon as there are 3 or more notes in the backing, it limits the music freedom of the impro. The most freedom can be had using just one note in the backing - playing maybe on the octaves... I also play around alot with the synchopation and timing of the beat with random overdubs and improvisational soloing... but nearly 100% of the time, the same A part keeps chugging along in the background. The end result can sound like a ABFOEINFKVQWKROMXZ piece, but in practice is merely a simple prgressive AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA overdub. - Stu http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 01:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 726E53BF2B; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060213155714.23546.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060213155714.23546.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: combining transducers,magnetics,piezos and internal mics Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:58:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey there Luis, Yeppers, this is quite true, piezo's in general are much more prone to feedback than newer magnetics, however, I can say from personal experience, that the RMC's that were installed in my L5 clone were less prone to feeding back than the magnetic Seymour Duncan SH-2 Neck and SH-4 Bridge, which by the by are also, typically difficult to feed back, however, in such dinky venues, I found that the RMC's held up better than the Seymour Duncans, which blew my mind, too, at the time. One thing that I'll highly recommend doing with your new guitar is to make the point of purchasing the RMC FanOut box, and then run your separate strings into a mixer (8-channel if possible) and then run each string as its own channel into some form of two channel pre-amp and power amp, if you can get a little automation going with your mixer, then you can get some fairly neat "movement" effects going on, let alone cleaning up your signals... Hope this helps out, Lee On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > Hi Lee, > ive heard the opposite actually,that magnetic pickups > tend to be less prone to feedback as Piezos,as far as > graphtech and RMC comparisons i did a lot of research > and they come very close in all aspects,although Axel > Rudich who is installing the RMC on my electric says > RMCs (for technical reasons ive forgotten)are slightly > better. > Luis > > > > > >> not got the >> instrument plugged in at all. Funny thing about >> these pickups is >> that in playing a few tiny venues, I ended up >> playing strictly >> through the piezos in order to avoid feedback being >> generated by the >> magnetics, when the house speakers were quite >> literally surrounding >> and pointing inward towards their stage area. >> >> The other option out there, that does have a >> 7-string option, but is >> equally as pricey is the Ghost System, produced by >> Graphtech ( http:// >> www.graphtech.com/prodghost.htm ), though I've not >> yet heard one of >> these systems plugged in, so I can't make any >> comments as to a >> comparison with the RMC's, though from what I've >> read on the >> MIDIGuitar group off of Yahoo, they're fairly >> straight-forward to >> install, but they are just as expensive, if not a >> touch moreso. >> >> Later on, >> >> >> Lee >> >> On Feb 13, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: >> >>> yes,i mean in this case for a steel string,like i >> said >>> more for the purpose of applying effects since >> this >>> transducers arent directly amplifying the >> strings,so >>> it sounds like a magnetic would do a good job,but >> then >>> we are talking about drilling another output hole >> on >>> the guitar with 3 cables going into the mixing >>> board,oh lordy...;-) >>> the LR baggs M1 sounds wonderful but the rare >> earth >>> aint bad either... >>> cheers >>> Luis >>> >>> --- Kevin wrote: >>> >>>> At 04:18 AM 2/12/2006, Lius wrote: >>>>> I have >>>>> never used a magnetic,do you think this would be >> a >>>>> better option than a piezo? >>>> >>>> It depends on how you want to sound and whether >>>> you're using nylon or >>>> steel strings. A magnetic pickup is only going to >>>> work on steel strings. >>>> >>>> Whenever electricity's involved, your sound will >> be >>>> compromised. The >>>> best acoustic guitar sound is always unamplified. >>>> Second best is a >>>> couple of studio-quality microphones. After that >>>> it's a matter of >>>> taste. A magnetic pickup on an acoustic guitar >> will >>>> sound a bit like >>>> a jazz electric hollowbody guitar. A piezo >>>> transducer will sound >>>> harsh in the upper ranges and kind of crinkly. >> An >>>> internal >>>> microphone is good but won't pick up well all the >>>> delicate sounds of >>>> fingernail against string, and will be >> lower-range >>>> by comparison with >>>> the piezo. For these reasons, people will choose >>>> combinations of >>>> magnetic pickup, transducer and/or internal mic >> as >>>> well as preamps >>>> and mini-mixing systems. >>>> >>>> The best judge here is going to be your own two >>>> ears. Because of all >>>> the acoustic compromises, your choice is going to >>>> depend on your >>>> venue and your own style of music. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kevin >>>> www.TheNettles.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 02:19:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6D43BF27; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "jb" <3nki@modaldub.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: 3nki@modaldub.net Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.27 X-IPAddress: 216.27.179.99 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:19:48 -0500 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32460 32461] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:19:48 +0000 (UTC) let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: Holland Skin Tunnel and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone mentioned: Muslimgauze & :Zoviet France: & that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping. ah yes, the good ole days... -3nki From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 02:20:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461723BF38; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006c01c630f7$0fc4d110$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <006c01c630f7$0fc4d110$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-515138104 Message-Id: <40A2DF3D-AD72-48A8-B05B-D027CC3BDF0E@comcast.net> From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: git synth suggestions!! Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:20:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_QPS9D.A._2E.j5T8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:20:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-515138104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Mark, Hey man, you may want to check out the Roland GI-30 (not the 20!!!) or an Axon AX-100 (don't sweat the Yamaha XG sound card, you're right it isn't the greatest). If you can get access to it, go with an Axon AX-100 mk.II, the little of the new German model, I've seen was rather impressive. Here's the slight catch, personally, I found that the Roland GI-30 was much easier to set-up and get it to do what little I wanted it to do, whereas there is just simply so much available within an Axon AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, "wow." I'm assuming that you've got a BC-13 cable running from your existing guitar to your Roland GR-30, and that it is at least a GK-1 if not GK-2, so, yes, you'd be able to use this guitar on any of these models. Also, since you're using a magnetic hex, vs. piezo hex pickup, you'll get the picking zones that are available to all three systems. Hope this Helps, Lee On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:41 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Hey Thanks guys!! I got alot of interesting advice on this git > synth question.. I was very interested in the Axxon system, but can > someone tell me.. are all the sounds in it crappy GM sounds? that > you cant tweak? The demo videos are hysterically bad, what awful > sounds... i can hardly believe that they would use them for this > demo videos if they had anything better, so was worried... The GR > 30 sounds are crap too right out of the box... but after years of > tweakage, I have got a lot of good stuff. So has someone here tried > both GR30 and Axxon, (oh while I remember.... (could I still use > the Roland pickup thats built into my guitar???) and can give me a > comparison? As I already said the superior tracking really doesnt > do it for me cos Im no speed freak guitarist, what Im interested in > is the built in sequencer and the arpegiator (and the sounds...) is > this a bit of a midi looper by any chance... (Im ploughing thru the > manual, but its hard to get it without the machine infront of me... > > why do I want something new??? Well Im just not using the GR30 so > much these days, and need a change???It got unplugged a while back > and has not yet got back in my system, I DID have it triggering a > Korg MS2000 and synched to the loopers, and it was great, but... oh > I dunno, it was unweildy, sat there at my feet, I got a bad back > and couldnt lean over any more.. I forgot it was there.. It was in > the way when I vacuumed... it was... it was... it was fucking > neglected OK???? > > so anyone wanna by a GR 30?? > > (or should I just pick it up off the floor and put it on a rack > shelf...) > > help... > > > marks website is at http://www.markfrancombe.com he works at http:// > www.transformlearning.com and writes for http://www.furthernoise.org > Nikolas Courtney's website is at http://markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 15148 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! --Apple-Mail-1-515138104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Mark,

Hey man, = you may want to check out the Roland GI-30 (not the 20!!!) or an Axon = AX-100 (don't sweat the Yamaha XG sound card, you're right it isn't the = greatest).=A0 If you can get access to it, go with an Axon AX-100 mk.II, = the little of the new German model, I've seen was rather impressive. = =A0Here's the slight catch, personally, I found that the Roland GI-30 = was much easier to set-up and get it to do what little I wanted it to = do, whereas there is just simply so much available within an Axon = AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, = "wow."=A0=A0
I'm assuming that you've got a = BC-13 cable running from your existing guitar to your Roland GR-30, and = that it is at least a GK-1 if not GK-2, so, yes, you'd be able to use = this guitar on any of these models.=A0 Also, since you're using a = magnetic hex, vs. piezo hex pickup, you'll get the picking zones that = are available to all three systems.

Hope this = Helps,


= Lee

On Feb 13, 2006, at 6:41 PM, mark = francombe wrote:

Hey Thanks guys!! I got alot of interesting = advice on this git synth question.. I was very interested in the Axxon = system, but can someone tell me.. are all the sounds in it crappy GM = sounds? that you cant tweak? The demo videos are hysterically bad, what = awful sounds... i can hardly believe that they would use them for this = demo videos if they had anything better, so was worried... The GR 30 = sounds are crap too right out of the box... but after years of tweakage, = I have got a lot of good stuff. So has someone here tried both GR30 and = Axxon, (oh while I remember.... (could I still use the Roland pickup = thats built into my guitar???)=A0and can give me a comparison? As I = already said the superior tracking really doesnt do it for me cos Im no = speed freak guitarist, what Im interested in is the built in sequencer = and the arpegiator (and the sounds...) is this a bit of a midi looper by = any chance... (Im ploughing thru the manual, but its hard to get it = without the=A0machine infront of me...
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why do I = want something new??? Well Im just not using the GR30 so much these = days, and need a change???It got unplugged a while back and has not yet = got back in my system, I DID have it triggering a Korg MS2000 and = synched to the loopers, and it was great, but... oh I dunno, it was = unweildy, sat there at my feet, I got a bad back and couldnt lean over = any more.. I forgot it was there.. It was in the way when I vacuumed... = it was... it was... it was fucking neglected OK????
=
=A0
so anyone = wanna by a GR 30??
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(or should I just pick=A0it up off the = floor and put it on a rack shelf...)
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help...
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marks website is at http://www.markfrancombe.com = he works at http://www.transformlearning.co= m and writes for http://www.furthernoise.org
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= --Apple-Mail-1-515138104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 02:22:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CD03BF1E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PeCMKuvI2LHwsNgVTDIe0FxguBt3K8UL62lnrfs69+wdqIu3higPv8z1iuSQPsYt; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006221423023140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:30:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a482016ae73060602a36ed90d19ab43e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.11 Resent-Message-ID: <6Aitt.A.v9E.l7T8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Hear! Hear! That was a fine bit of music! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 2/13/2006 6:18:34 PM > Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > > Hi there > i don't know how much actual looping there was some would be looped and some > midi'd but I found that Michael brook live at the Aquariam was a watershed > moment for me. > > Graham Stuart > > > >From: Kim Flint > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:16:52 -0800 > > > >Hi Loopers, > > > >Every now and then we discuss ideas for the Looper's Delight Essential > >Listening section. It's that time again! > > > >The last time we discussed this was in 2003, and a lot of great > >recommendations came out of that discussion. At that time we tried to focus > >on the 1990's. I've finally incorporated those listening recommendations > >into the latest incarnation of the Essential Listening Loopography: > > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/loopography/Records.html > > > >If you haven't been there recently, check it out. I've added a bunch of new > >entries based on submissions from many of you. > > > >This time around, I'd like to focus on the 1980's. What were the essential > >recordings from the 1980's that every looper ought to listen to? Please > >propose your ideas and let's discuss it! Please include a paragraph or two > >about why you think that recording is essential for looping. > > > >So, what makes something an essential recording for looping? There are no > >hard and fast guidelines. > > > >They might be recordings where new ideas or techniques in looping were > >first introduced, or where looping was first heard in a type of music where > >it hadn't been used before, or with an instrument where it hadn't been used > >before, or recordings/artists that influenced a lot of people to become > >interested in looping or expand their abilities as loopers, or simply a > >perfect example of looping from a legendary looping artist. > > > >Another thing we learned in 2003 is that proposing yourself as essential > >probably won't go over very well. :-) > > > >Also, there were several good recommendations made last time where nobody > >supplied a good review paragraph to go with it. I still need somebody to > >write a good review about why these albums are essential for looping: > >Robert Fripp - Let the Power Fall (1981) > >David Torn - Tripping over God (1995) > >David Torn - What Means 'Solid', Traveller? (1996) > >Andre LaFosse - Normalized (2003) > > > >Please help me out with that if you are familiar with these albums! > > > >You may be interested in reading some of the 2003 discussion on this if you > >weren't around for it, it is quite amusing: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=essent ial&Search=Search&restricttofiles=on&filelist=200307&filelist=200306&errors= 0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&. cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case > > > >Ok, discuss! > > > >kim > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 02:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427603BF3A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hiM39zyAhZgQJLri7/3wLNTZme3h4fq/DrfIy0VpQOP+WYBIZksssEL4GK3CefjH; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006221423156730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: headrushers? Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:31:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406e29b9ec3a11b40f45b6bdaaf42c0639350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:24:02 +0000 (UTC) To answer Q.1, my pal Mark Sullivan once ran his Headrush into 4 amps, but he was always into overkill, having 2 surfboard-sized pedalboards AND a rack (LOL). ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: skincage > To: > Date: 2/13/2006 5:33:27 PM > Subject: headrushers? > > i've recently decided to become reacquainted with my akai headrush > pedal and i'm curious about a couple of things: > > 1. since neither i nor anyone i've ever met owns four amps, i'm > curious to know how folks are using the extra ouputs. is the level > proper for sending to other pedals? are the outputs available in loop > mode, and if so, would they be delayed versions of the mix output? > > 2. in tape delay and normal delay modes, the pots create clicks when > turned. is this normal or do i need to get mine cleaned up? > > 3. how does the overdub feedback work in the headrush? since it's not > adjustable i assume it's more or less an infinite pileup. > > thanks folks. i'm hoping to build a more portable looping rig and > anything i can learn to increase flexibility without increasing gear > is golden. > > jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 02:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4023BF1B; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:37:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required to also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it is essential to looping. Explain the historical context if fits into, how it was influential, what techniques it innovated, etc. kim At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote: >let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: > >Holland Skin Tunnel > >and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone >mentioned: > >Muslimgauze > >:Zoviet France: >that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i >think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's >drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 02:34:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08AA43BF26; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XI04o8GbbriY7xGyH5zJ13L2ii0oUGhLruvdIPbb6DJp1H9GlT0yw7Ri30/FRKyWQhegB4f/p5HsegYuUCdTI3ilgFNcFmTRzo6nOOdqolnAHPasEf6pZa2apKoLzWobb4zsS89yu4h9Xk2TtiVeW6xaaFJ9puXKvxoEH+fy0rI= ; Message-ID: <20060214023432.12119.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: torn loops....my pathetic try... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060213234158.E73993BF3D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1836107678-1139884472=:9246" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9tiVQC.A.CZF.5GU8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:34:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-1836107678-1139884472=:9246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i have owned all the torn solo albums at one pt in life (door x on cassette which is long lost and i haven't replaced). i'm no expert on his music, just like his music, in my listenings of what means solid traveller and tripping over god, and cloud, i swear that i can't detect too many overt loops being used in obvious repeated ways-in that very overt repitition of ideas like the way i loop (which is like preschool like loops)....so my guess is that he mangles/manipulates what he does....and hence the reason why its so interesting --to my ear anyway... but one good source to see what he does is his loops is his 2 videos, painting w/ guitar....he does a # of loop improv's during the 2 tapes and you can hear some of the themes /melodies from tripping, which was made around the same time (or shortly thereafter) my 2 pathetic cents... s--- ps-as to why i listen to them over and over, i think he's a good guitarist (even though he seems to downplay his skills), he makes interesting music that makes me listen to it over and over....and there is probably something to the fact that he has made only a few solo albums and doesn't have a huge volume, hence i listen over and over.... --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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i have owned all the torn solo albums at one pt in life (door x on cassette which is long lost and i haven't replaced).
i'm no expert on his music, just like his music,
in my listenings of what means solid traveller and tripping over god, and cloud, i swear that i can't detect too many overt loops being used in obvious repeated ways-in that very overt repitition of ideas like the way i loop (which is like preschool like loops)....so my guess is that he mangles/manipulates what he does....and hence the reason why its so interesting --to my ear anyway...
but one good source to see what he does is his loops is his 2 videos, painting w/ guitar....he does a # of loop improv's during the 2 tapes and you can hear some
of the themes /melodies from tripping, which was made around the same time (or shortly thereafter)
my 2 pathetic cents...
s---
ps-as to why i listen to them over and over, i think he's a good guitarist (even though he seems to downplay his skills), he makes interesting music that makes me listen to it over and over....and there is probably something to the fact that he has made only a few solo albums and doesn't have a huge volume, hence i listen over and over....

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Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1836107678-1139884472=:9246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 03:20:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EF763BF1A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.49.152.57] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:20:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 03:20:41.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[A26AF2B0:01C63115] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Take 2 Michael Brook Live at the Aquarium and the studio album Cobalt Blue was a watershed moment for me. I was familiar with earlier works that Brook ( a Toronto guitarist) had recorded in conjunction with Eno and Lanois, and harold Budd, and while those are strong albums in their own right, it is with Cobalt Blue and the live companion that I began being interested in looping and textures. His rhythmic approach to sound was very new to me. The fact that he is credited woith the creation of the infinite sustian guitar (as opposed to the single string ebow) adds to his cache as a significant player and a true trail blazer. Brook's work is an interesting amalgam of all the players that I really love- and yet there is something unique in his vision. For me no one I had discovered had offered up such richly textured, and so densely packed ideas in the realm of looped music. While both albums are impressive- I have to admit the inferior live cd launched at the London aquarium shows the true gifts that Brook possesses. I had the opportunity to share drinks once with Irish Hot Press reporter/U2 writer/Across the Line (BBC Eire)host Stuart Bailey at the Crown in Belfast. When asked what the best shows he had witnessed were I don't remember the rest but the London gig for press for the launch of Cobalt Blue (that became the live album) Brook's approach haunts me still. I am only saddened that his producer duties appear to have taken precedence over his solo work. highly recommended! Graham Stuart also Recommended Brook and NusratFateh Ali khan- Night Song Brook with Divan Gasparyan -black rock Albino Alligator soundtrack Brook with Pieter Nooten-sleeps with fishes visit http://fringedigital.com/brook/ I'd love to see womeone write about Gerry Leonard here (Spooky ghost)!!!! >From: Kim Flint >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:37:02 -0800 > >Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required to also >include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it is essential to >looping. Explain the historical context if fits into, how it was >influential, what techniques it innovated, etc. >kim > >At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote: >>let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: >> >>Holland Skin Tunnel >> >>and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone >>mentioned: >> >>Muslimgauze >> >>:Zoviet France: > >>that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i >>think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's >>drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 03:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C88103BF18; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c63118$8bf0d470$6700a8c0@greyskull> From: "Lucien Darthard, Esq" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:41:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: > Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required to > also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it is > essential to looping. Explain the historical context if fits into, how it > was influential, what techniques it innovated, etc. > kim > > At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote: >>let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: >> >>Holland Skin Tunnel >> >>and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone >>mentioned: >> >>Muslimgauze >> >>:Zoviet France: > >>that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i >>think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's >>drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 04:35:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 539153BF21; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602131322g5ee977f0p7da2f36e78a7f6ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> <64b81a780602131322g5ee977f0p7da2f36e78a7f6ec@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23109FA3-EC88-4501-8C6A-C5790CDD6764@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:35:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:35:32 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 13, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: > You could do something like this in Mobius. In fact, I think any > looper that manipulates mutliple tracks (Mobius, the new Looperlative, > Repeater, etc.) can do this. Just record the groove parts to track 1, > A part to track 2, multiply/overdub as you like to those tracks, mute > track2 (A part), record B part on track 3, overdub/solo, mute track 3, > unmute/restart track2 for the finish. Classic ABA form. > Another technique that doesn't require multiple tracks would be to write a script that does an instant LoopCopy/Sound from the current loop into the next loop, but then returns you to the original loop. So once you've got the groove built up, hit the InstantCopy switch before overdubbing the A section. Then when you're ready to use NextLoop, you'll have a copy of the original groove without the overdub. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 04:47:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B6973BF2C; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6hnpQsBQrOrxbfEL02kGGa1iBnAxuW8lIc9msnOApBsIfMAaHc9chbUA7wIouaYBQaRxtIT9GGsUeiVhXjgBtR8Ut99/LOZNxKwXkSdrE0Bhuw2ibPMjB8Z3SlTTqDiGxxA7E7drV7IDyOjf1qTHmM8wHUpE3mLacCcFndoOf4Q= ; Message-ID: <20060214044721.66669.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: for sale roland G505 synth guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060213102549.56433.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1408621872-1139892441=:66286" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:47:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1408621872-1139892441=:66286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit for sale, roland G505 synth guitar all synth controls work great..Maple neck..fender strat looks like..give me an offer..Gerry Luis Angulo wrote: Fripps and Belews guitars must be incredible set up i even remeber seeing them live using the normal internal GK-2 pickup which i have on the roland ready but u couldnt hear any of that synth glitchy yodeling u get from synths, and they were using pretty warning synth techniques like wammy bar bends rapid slurs,percussion playing etc... --- Fluke wrote: > After 15 years or more using guitar synths, I agree > with all of this > although it all becomes second nature and I don't > have ton think about it > much. > > EXCEPT the 'slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and > bends, and even most > strums' all do work for me with a correctly setup > Axon AX100 system. Scrapes > and percussive noises don't, but all those tricks > that result in a change in > pitch of the note do. As for piano and organ sounds, > with pitch bend set to > retrigger notes at every semitone, bends come out > well as typical keyboard > slurs. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future > Date: 12/02/06 23:32 > > What I came to early on in my guitar synth > experience was to play > to its strengths. I try to stay away from idiomatic > guitar playing. I try to > play to the sound, and always use my fingers to > apply myself more like a > keyboardist. I tend to use more long envelope pads > sounds where precise > timing is not such an issue. and I love the sound of > my nylon string guitar > with synth strings swelling underneath. I won't set > up a piano patch with > pitch bend activated, so I can play blues bends with > a grand piano sound. > I've tried it and it sounds hokey, and its more > glitchy. If I play a piano, > marimba, or other percussive sound, I don't try to > out run the tracking with > an overly fast tempo, and I usually blend the sound > with guitar to minimize > the tracking issues. I'm also more apt to use my > GR30's arpeggio function > for up tempo and dance stuff, any way, as I can have > the unit track well at > any tempo. When recording, I minimize dead spots on > my Roland equipped > guitar by using a groove tubes fat finger on the > headstock, to provide more > mass and sustain, and help prevent glitching and > yodeling ( the term I've > heard used for the spontaneous octave leaps at the > end of certain notes as > they decay). I learned that long ago, when the first > Roland guitar I had (a > white 2 humbucking guitar made for Roland, probably > by Ibanez), had a couple > of horrible dead spots that kept making the Gr300 > yodel as the sound > decayed. Some one suggested putting a c clamp on the > headstock, and sure > enough that guitar sustained for days. Being > somewhat impractical to have a > c clamp on the headstock, I eventually got a > graphite neck made by Hohner to > put on it and that really cured the dead spot > problems. These days I have an > internal gk pickup on my parts strat that has a huge > maple neck that is very > stable. I also have an RMC in my flamenco guitar, > and an external unit > mounted to my renaissance RS6. The last thing I > wanted to mention regarding > the guitar synth in general, is, because the > tracking is not so forgiving, I > find that I have to concentrate more on the little > technical things to not > get frustrated. These include being more aware of > correct finger placement, > more even in picking hand attack, using more care > when moving from one place > to another on the fret board. But the reality is, > all of the cool scrapes, > slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and bends, and > even most strums > guitarist are so fond of, don't work on midi guitar. > But there is a world of > cool things they do, and the good news is this is > relatively inexpensive > technology to dive in to if you don't mind buying > used. Its just not for > everybody. > Bill > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1408621872-1139892441=:66286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit for sale, roland G505 synth guitar all synth controls work great..Maple neck..fender strat looks like..give me an offer..Gerry

Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fripps and Belews guitars must be incredible set up i
even remeber seeing them live using the normal
internal GK-2 pickup which i have on the roland ready
but u couldnt hear any of that synth glitchy yodeling
u get from synths, and they were using pretty warning
synth techniques like wammy bar bends rapid
slurs,percussion playing etc...

--- Fluke wrote:

> After 15 years or more using guitar synths, I agree
> with all of this
> although it all becomes second nature and I don't
> have ton think about it
> much.
>
> EXCEPT the 'slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and
> bends, and even most
> strums' all do work for me with a correctly setup
> Axon AX100 system. Scrapes
> and percussive noises don't, but all those tricks
> that result in a change in
> pitch of the note do. As for piano and organ sounds,
> with pitch bend set to
> retrigger notes at every semitone, bends come out
> well as typical keyboard
> slurs.
>
> Nik
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: billwalker@baymoon.com
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
>
> Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future
> Date: 12/02/06 23:32
>
> What I came to early on in my guitar synth
> experience was to play
> to its strengths. I try to stay away from idiomatic
> guitar playing. I try to
> play to the sound, and always use my fingers to
> apply myself more like a
> keyboardist. I tend to use more long envelope pads
> sounds where precise
> timing is not such an issue. and I love the sound of
> my nylon string guitar
> with synth strings swelling underneath. I won't set
> up a piano patch with
> pitch bend activated, so I can play blues bends with
> a grand piano sound.
> I've tried it and it sounds hokey, and its more
> glitchy. If I play a piano,
> marimba, or other percussive sound, I don't try to
> out run the tracking with
> an overly fast tempo, and I usually blend the sound
> with guitar to minimize
> the tracking issues. I'm also more apt to use my
> GR30's arpeggio function
> for up tempo and dance stuff, any way, as I can have
> the unit track well at
> any tempo. When recording, I minimize dead spots on
> my Roland equipped
> guitar by using a groove tubes fat finger on the
> headstock, to provide more
> mass and sustain, and help prevent glitching and
> yodeling ( the term I've
> heard used for the spontaneous octave leaps at the
> end of certain notes as
> they decay). I learned that long ago, when the first
> Roland guitar I had (a
> white 2 humbucking guitar made for Roland, probably
> by Ibanez), had a couple
> of horrible dead spots that kept making the Gr300
> yodel as the sound
> decayed. Some one suggested putting a c clamp on the
> headstock, and sure
> enough that guitar sustained for days. Being
> somewhat impractical to have a
> c clamp on the headstock, I eventually got a
> graphite neck made by Hohner to
> put on it and that really cured the dead spot
> problems. These days I have an
> internal gk pickup on my parts strat that has a huge
> maple neck that is very
> stable. I also have an RMC in my flamenco guitar,
> and an external unit
> mounted to my renaissance RS6. The last thing I
> wanted to mention regarding
> the guitar synth in general, is, because the
> tracking is not so forgiving, I
> find that I have to concentrate more on the little
> technical things to not
> get frustrated. These include being more aware of
> correct finger placement,
> more even in picking hand attack, using more care
> when moving from one place
> to another on the fret board. But the reality is,
> all of the cool scrapes,
> slurs, pull offs, hammer ons, rakes, and bends, and
> even most strums
> guitarist are so fond of, don't work on midi guitar.
> But there is a world of
> cool things they do, and the good news is this is
> relatively inexpensive
> technology to dive in to if you don't mind buying
> used. Its just not for
> everybody.
> Bill
>
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
>
>


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Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1408621872-1139892441=:66286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 05:23:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF043BF24; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=uRhHKfdGzyIQhEl/ehXdCcB6UStru1+Kd07RsLoHSUnoNfqwy80nFUAX0JYnrFzR1VHIkWvDRhMP5XTbZX0PQFUVTSgOnDV3z2/Y2MbcnN4i+l2FYphThHro1Y51kNsx/HIorGyyRaKtmwA8W60MzEH+nawOUbydhDCJYpz4Os0= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730602132123p766f4e83j5216a0b5f91ba27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:23:27 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: SWR gear for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8357_16307258.1139894607777" Resent-Message-ID: <8ShUeC.A.pcD.RlW8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:23:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8357_16307258.1139894607777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Greetings all... Spring cleaning comes a bit early this year as I plan to relocate. The following pieces of gear are for sale: * 2001 SWR Bass 350 (Silver face) Amplifier (Excellent shape...only gigged = 2 times) $500 * 2001 SWR Workingman's 4x10 cabinet (Excellent shape...only gigged 5 times= ) $400 *2000 SWR Pro Series Big Ben 1x18 cabinet (Excellent shape...never gigged ouside of studio) $300 I am the original owner for all three pieces. I mainly used this particular setup for a rehearsal studio when I had my bass rig separate from the Stick rig. Obviously this doesn't include shipping. I might be willing to deliver and can discuss offline. Reply for pics and/or to discuss. clint.allen@gmail.com Thanks, Clint ------=_Part_8357_16307258.1139894607777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Greetings all...

Spring cleaning comes a bit early this year as I plan to relocate. The foll= owing pieces of gear are for sale:

* 2001 SWR Bass 350 (Silver face) Amplifier (Excellent shape...only gigged = 2 times)
   $500

* 2001 SWR Workingman's 4x10 cabinet (Excellent shape...only gigged 5 times= )
   $400

*2000 SWR Pro Series Big Ben 1x18 cabinet (Excellent shape...never gigged o= uside of studio)
   $300

I am the original owner for all three pieces. I mainly used this particular= setup for a rehearsal studio
when I had my bass rig separate from the Stick rig.

Obviously this doesn't include shipping. I might be willing to deliver and = can discuss offline.
Reply for pics and/or to discuss.
clint.allen@gmail.com

Thanks,
Clint ------=_Part_8357_16307258.1139894607777-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 07:01:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86BF3BF26; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HSAYRZzvd2SIFipXxPRMFGYe7951QKjTVRqP7Pyd7VycohHTwPoOWsF6m729GkkBIaRxqdaWGBwB9xN4+H9Hepvspn+qdLgREs1jVLbWRcIoNGlOqALtXMebMadAeKl3q12C3+xdYesy+cu1+hB2vqyfCmH6CC+ZSDuC3JgYc6Q= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:01:08 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: 2006-02-11 open loops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:01:10 +0000 (UTC) http://loopny.com/2006/02/11 -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on March 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 07:18:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DF8C3BF26; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: My piano looping on VIDEO at the 1st Zurich Loopfest Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:18:44 +0100 Message-ID: <008f01c63136$e3e357c0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <887BA0472ABF144690159D13A2D32CE63537B4@whimail04.malcolmpirnie.com> Thread-Index: AcYxMfi2kPfUIlciTgur7UZ0/Uon5gABGaoQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:18:52 +0000 (UTC) > I've upload a video about my piano-looping performance beautiful video Fabio, and a nice souvenir from that wonderful Zurich weekend > the original track recorded on the stage with my MD it would be very nice to have recordings of everything ... next time Bernhard, I'd suggest to record the concerts directly into a laptop with a large harddisk ... Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 07:29:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04B733BF2D; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: torn loops....my pathetic try... Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:29:24 +0100 Message-ID: <009001c63138$61d079a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C63140.C394E1A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060214023432.12119.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYxMf9JDKchTUcUR+6NZB9fZq3CZQABV5LA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:29:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C63140.C394E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Torn's TONAL TEXTURES from 1994 (marketed as a sample CD for the AKAI sampler, I think, and very expensive at the time) is his definitive all-loops guitar album, I'd say. And after that, PANDORA's TOOLBOX from 1998, also a sample CD, this time for Acid. I saw Torn solo on the Tripping over God tour in 1995. His delicate use of loops, his raw energy, his mastership of the guitar were overwhelming. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C63140.C394E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David Torn's TONAL TEXTURES from 1994 (marketed as a sample CD = for the=20 AKAI sampler, I think, and very expensive at the time) is his definitive = all-loops guitar album, I'd say. And after that, PANDORA's TOOLBOX from = 1998,=20 also a sample CD, this time for Acid.
 
I=20 saw Torn solo on the Tripping over God tour in 1995. His delicate use of = loops,=20 his raw energy, his mastership of the guitar were=20 overwhelming.
 
-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de
 
------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C63140.C394E1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 07:39:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1CA63BF28; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060213225532.01a9d668@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:39:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re:Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060213100933.0287a680@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060213063227.AB74C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060213100933.0287a680@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:39:32 +0000 (UTC) At 02:26 AM 2/13/2006, Andy wrote: >So this is how it's done Hi Andy, Thank you for the detailed explanation! This could be really cool if I could get it to work. Could you please look at my questions below? I'm only asking to understand the process. >In any case, you can use the same idea to end up soloing on the >changes if you'd rather. Yes, I want to set up AABA tunes like a standard jazz combo tune. A short rhythm intro followed by the head followed by the changes followed by soloing over the changes. Initial setup: >set params :- >SwitchQuant =CnF >MoreLoops=2 > >>1. Put down a 2-4 bar groove. Start on Loop 1. Record drum pattern. >>2. Multiply the groove and overdub the head of the AABA tune. Multiply and play the melody of AABA tune over the drum pattern >>3. Overdub the chord changes. > >3. now as you have SwitchQuant =CnF you can do the overdub of the >chord changes by first hitting NextLoop(before the time where you'd >start the overdub), >then hit Multiply when you want to actually start overdubbing the chords. > >You'll have to hit Mult again at the end of the structure, >OR if you want to start O/D ing the rhythms right away you can end >the Multiply by >hitting Overdub. This is where I get confused. What I understand you to mean is: Hit NextLoop at the turnaround, Hit Multiply Play the chords of the AABA tune. Now at this point am I on Loop 2 but there's no melody or rhythm and the audience just hears me play chords? I thought that hitting NextLoop in record mode just stops recording, in which case I'd still be in Loop1 and overdubbing the chords over the drum pattern and melody, is that right? What I'd like to be doing at this point is playing the chords with the melody and the drum pattern. What I think I'm doing is playing the chords on Loop 1 (or Loop 2?). >>5. Here's the tricky part: With one pedal press, undo #2 _only_ and >>go into overdub to start soloing over the tune. > >Now use NextLoop to go back to Loop1 >( NextLoop followed by Undo) From my faulty understanding, what I understand is that now: Loop1 has either: a) drum pattern and melody or b) has drum pattern, melody and chords. Loop2 has either: a) just chords or b) nothing. If I now press NextLoop and then Undo I'll have: a) Loop 1 playing drum pattern and Loop2 playing chords b) Loop1 playing the melody and the drum pattern and Loop2 playing just the chords What I'd like to have at this point is Loop1 or Loop2 playing the drum pattern and chords. The reason I start with the melody instead of the chords is that I don't want to bore the audience while I set up the loop. I'd like to be able to loop as a solo gig. I can play the melody, solo and then play the melody at the close without looping the melody. Could you help enlighten me? At this point I'm a bit confused. Help! Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 09:17:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743D83BF27; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HABcu8UOCFIU9LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060214090459.02c2b9e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:16:36 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: How do YOU loop? Andy - Gary In-Reply-To: <20060213234158.EB1423BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060213234158.EB1423BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Miko, Thanks for sharing. That's a neat trick. Probably worth mentioning that the RoundMode=OFF isn't necessary. RoundMode is confusingly (but correctly :-) named, and only determines whether or not the overdubbing continues to the end of the cycle when you finish a multiply. >As for Playing the chorus of a song, and hitting Nextloop and playing the >verse, methinks you will still need that drum machine or other timekeeper >synced up to the EDP. I think you'll find it's not a problem. The second loop can be a slightly different length, so you don't need a timekeeper. ( I do this all the time, but wouldn't really be able to call the results Verses and Choruses) andy butler www.andybutler.com for mp3 examples From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 09:24:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32903BF26; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HABcu8UOCFIU9LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060214092319.02c26a30@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:23:43 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Looping AABA tunes (Was: How do YOU loop?) In-Reply-To: <20060214022019.970BD3BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060214022019.970BD3BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:24:27 +0000 (UTC) >Brilliant! agreed a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 10:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218BD3BF24; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c63150$273f1c70$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: "Kevin" Cc: References: <20060213101740.9B031255191@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060213223343.01b43ea0@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Roland guitar synth future Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:12:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:19:36 +0000 (UTC) I found this with my old (old, old) Roland GM-70 rig. Latency on low notes was obtrusive, but I learned to play ahead of the beat on the low strings and after a while it became second nature. For a few years now I've been using an Axon AX100SB and the latency on that is negligable. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: "Fluke" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: RE: Roland guitar synth future > At 02:17 AM 2/13/2006, you wrote: >>After 15 years or more using guitar synths, I agree with all of this >>although it all becomes second nature and I don't have ton think about it >>much. > > Except for latency. On uptempo stuff, the latency of the GR-33 can drive > you crazy. Even using good technique, you're still going to sound like a > sloppy keyboard or percussion player on uptempo stuff. So from my point > of view the GR-33 is good for pads and slow stuff. Since there's no way > around the latency except for playing ahead of it and waiting for the > GR-33 to catch up, I'm going to try a VG-8 for a while and maybe another > synth that can take the straight guitar signal and manipulate it. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 10:30:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828E23BF2A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1139912848!31168259!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E32@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: not strictly looping but v entertaining Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:27:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C63151.44061880" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:30:33 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63151.44061880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" a friend at work sent this on, & we all amused ourselves for hours pasting important emails into the text-box...... duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63151.44061880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not strictly looping but v entertaining

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C63151.44061880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 11:15:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 894D33BF2A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gnwgVVyX2YfXLmAElYL2Ro8xTiBACNuK+ewnFeHQ+oGlWQmsi6pB0fzBZvieWhF0Kouomu/MqSqAQ1J9hQpilInz/0zFanK60UfU7xfmjDhTgIqhXo+qR0WkX7FI3AyFdM3JFkaoGk6y1XDZZdkKIhHqkzvGXfa0Yk3BFwPaaeM= ; Message-ID: <20060214111510.32638.qmail@web37801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:15:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213094739.0471a1a8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1544471995-1139915710=:32611" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:15:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1544471995-1139915710=:32611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I want to add this ones. Both by Steve Reich. Different Trains (1988) for string quartet and tape Electric Counterpoint (1987) for electric guitar or ampliied acoustic guitar and tape Amplified Guitar soloist and tape, or guitar ensemble. Ensemble consists of 12 guitars and 2 electric bass guitars Strictly, Electric Counterpoint doesnt feauture looping but for me it was an essential listening, more like a breakthrough. It shows an amazingly big picture of the possibilities. Also, Different Trains... how about that for live looping!!!! Kim, it is really difficult for me to write a comprehensive analysis in english. I'm sory, neverthless i wanted to mention this two. Very best, Kim Flint wrote: At 08:34 AM 2/13/2006, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: >SUBMITTED: Roger Miller "Elemental Guitar" (SST) Can you explain why? If you are submitting something, please also include a paragraph or two explaining why you think that particular album is essential to looping. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1544471995-1139915710=:32611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I want to add this ones. Both by Steve Reich.
 
Different Trains (1988)
for string quartet and tape
 
Electric Counterpoint (1987)
for electric guitar or ampliied acoustic guitar and tape
Amplified Guitar soloist and tape, or guitar ensemble. Ensemble consists of 12 guitars and 2 electric bass guitars
 
Strictly, Electric Counterpoint doesnt feauture looping but for me it was an essential listening, more like a breakthrough. It shows an amazingly big picture of the possibilities.
 
Also, Different Trains... how about that for live looping!!!!
 
Kim, it is really difficult for me to write a comprehensive analysis in english. I'm sory, neverthless i wanted to mention this two.
 
Very best,
 
 

Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
At 08:34 AM 2/13/2006, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
>SUBMITTED: Roger Miller "Elemental Guitar" (SST)

Can you explain why?

If you are submitting something, please also include a paragraph or two
explaining why you think that particular album is essential to looping.

thanks!
kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com




Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1544471995-1139915710=:32611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 11:31:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2973BF22; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:31:05 +0100 Message-Id: <386630459@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: RPGfreak@web.de To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Guitar Craft Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I am seriously thinking about enrolling to Guitar Craft, even though 600 Euro is a lot of money for me (I don't think it's overpriced!). I have read the guitar craft experience of the author of the Fripp Book but I also thought to ask some questions at the list since some people here have been at GC: - Do you have to be on a high technical level for the Stage one courses? - Do you learn a lot of technique? Personally, I don't have a problem to know what to play, but I'm seriously interested in learning a better technique since mine is pretty bad. - What did you personally learn there and kept later on? Thanks for your time! Regards, Simon ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 11:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 639AE3BF26; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060214111510.32638.qmail@web37801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060214111510.32638.qmail@web37801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:55:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:55:44 +0000 (UTC) On 14 feb 2006, at 12.15, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Also, Different Trains... how about that for live looping!!!! Yes, you're right! I remember reading an interview when the Different Trains was released and if my memory serves me right Reich said he had been setting up tape loops with train sounds to analyze them and transform the action he heard to notation for the musicians. And those old train veteran people's voices do also sound looped, but I would guess he was just flying it into the right place directly on a twenty four track tape recorder...? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 11:55:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5573BF2F; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <410-22006221423023140@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006221423023140@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:55:48 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I also liked Micheal Brook's music in the early eighties. He and Daniel Lanois might not have been using looping in a technical sense, but the to me the music is "circular" in a looping-like way ;-) Still have some vinyl left. That goes for Jon Hassels "Aka Darbari Tension" that was (and is) another favorite back then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On 14 feb 2006, at 03.30, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Hear! Hear! That was a fine bit of music! > ~Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 2/13/2006 6:18:34 PM >> Subject: RE: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's >> >> Hi there >> i don't know how much actual looping there was some would be >> looped and > some >> midi'd but I found that Michael brook live at the Aquariam was a > watershed >> moment for me. >> >> Graham Stuart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 12:01:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBE0C3BF34; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.029677 secs Process 4007) Message-ID: <3133.88.111.102.185.1139918510.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:01:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cheap bass floor keyboard? From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:01:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm trying to find a way to include a 1 octave+ midi floor keyboard into my setup. I think I'm desxtrous enough on the old violin to be able to duet using my feet - thus allowing the loops to develop much quicker - as well as being able to kick in a full sound inbetween loops. The Korg etc. models that are identical to the bass pedals on organs are hugely overpriced, thus ruling them out for the moment. The FCB1010 can be set up in bass keyboard mode, but the layout of the pedalboard is not ideal - plus you can't switch between keyboard and patch mode without physically switching the unit off and on. I found on ebay yesterday a 61 key midi roll-up piano for about £40 (Item 7389290029), which although not velocity sensitive, looks like a very practical piece of kit. Something like that in bass form would be ideal for what I am looking for. Does anyone else on list have any suggestions/ideas as to how I can do what I want to do on a tight budget? Cheers in advance!, Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 12:41:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3B123BF1E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:41:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Thread-Index: AcYxZASUQy30bJ1XEdqahQAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Steve didn't loop the voices, but rather just used a sampler. He used sample cell for years to create all of those pieces which WERE actually looped, and also used a casio vz-1 to play samples live on stage once he started using them there. Different Trains was done in the studio as three separate quartets layered together, but the click and voices and bells were already prepared... I've played this piece incessantly since 1990 as a member in his ensemble and am most excited to be able to answer a question about it and Reich. Thanks for the opportunity! If any other questions, bring em on! Best, T. On 2/14/06 6:55 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On 14 feb 2006, at 12.15, Ariel Rzezak wrote: >=20 >> Also, Different Trains... how about that for live looping!!!! >=20 >=20 > Yes, you're right! I remember reading an interview when the Different > Trains was released and if my memory serves me right Reich said he > had been setting up tape loops with train sounds to analyze them and > transform the action he heard to notation for the musicians. And > those old train veteran people's voices do also sound looped, but I > would guess he was just flying it into the right place directly on a > twenty four track tape recorder...? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 12:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0A93BF2D; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:59:49 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Okay, a bit wordy but I'll carve it down. Fripp's "Let the Power Fall" (1981): At the time this came out distribution of vinyl was weird, and inconsistent depending on how far outside a major metro area you lived. In New Jersey I had a little trouble at first finding RF's work, until this album came out. I found it on a whim scan of the 'F' section - during a time when one would hear comments from other people in line for shows (not RF, but Lou Reed and a Kitchen benefit) about "Frippertronics", and "Roscotronics". Shortly after this RF was written up in the NY Times for having achieved a major coup with three record companies, getting distribution for a number of releases; as such the effect to me was that "Let the Power Fall" was like the drop of water that broke the dam. Later it was easy to find releases like "Exposure", "The League of Gentlemen", and (to a much, much lesser extent) "Sacred Songs". In the process RF wrote some stunning articles about what he was "doing" with all this. It all had the effect of a great coming-together of forces, at the behest of a singular powerful creative force. And an example for us all. To one who had been following RF and Eno's collaborations since "No Pussyfooting" (let alone just the articles coming from Keyboard, Musician, and Guitar Player at the time) knew, LTPF presented a natural though minimalistic evolution of the process first used by RF, now termed "Frippertronics". The pieces are built in front of the listener, a pattern constructed for the most part without solos on top, and by listening to the patterns I grew to feel as if RF were presenting examples to unseen students. This seemed in the spirit of the diagram on the back of Eno's "Discreet Music": as if to say, "Here's how it's done. Now go off and work with this." While the method had been used before DM by other people, DM illustrated the process on the back of the album cover. It was made into an easily-obtainable thing (so long as you had two reel-to-reel tape decks, a long reel of tape, a compressor, and a stable surface to put it on) in comparison to what had formerly just been "experimental music". When RF called what he was doing "Frippertronics" he simply BRANDED the process. What made it "Frippertronics" was the ingredient of RF. This meant in a way that, should I do the same thing, I could call it "Spudtronics" (and I have at times, though privately). The works are titled in sequence, by years. In some ways this titling causes a detaching between title and song content, not uncommon to art, but at the time considered dangerous (or even subversive!) if not bad marketing by the Big Five. As a result however, the listener is freed to attach whatever meaning one likes to the pieces. Does "1984" remind you of a time when you listened to LTPF in 1984? So be it, implies RF. Great art often invites such participation. In LTPF, we are given precise sketches based upon a simple blueprint, and invited to do so ourselves. And, as Loopers Delight would strongly indicate, so we have. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 13:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0C723BF2A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAFhm8UOCFIU8LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060214114227.02e02230@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:46:41 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re:Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <20060214113108.9C7483BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060214113108.9C7483BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:15:35 +0000 (UTC) hi Kevin, ...but you need to do this >Initial setup: >>set params :- >>SwitchQuant =CnF >>MoreLoops=2 when switchQuant=CnF you'll be able to copy from loop1 to loop2, and add another layer. It gives you more control over NextLoop. Hope that's enough clue for you to work it out. Right now I ought to be working, so not time to really go into it right now. I'll give you a full answer later. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 13:41:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03D663BF28; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028901c6316c$642b5bf0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:41:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0286_01C63174.C5C02870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 13:41:30.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C5B3CB0:01C6316C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:41:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0286_01C63174.C5C02870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And what about "The pearl", by Brian Eno and Harold Budd ? For that I understood, in years and years I listened to it,=20 ther's a lot of (asyncronous) looping in that disc.=20 The concept of looping here is no the same of Different Trains and the = other Reich's work. Reich work with phrase shifts, like this: AAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBBB BBBBBBBBBB BBBBBBBBBB While, Brian Eno and Harold Budd works with different loop lenghts, like = this AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/ =20 BBBBBBBBBB/BBBBBBBBBB/BBBBBBBBBB/BBBBBBBBBB This is what I can understand.....Todd, Is it right ? 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And what about "The = pearl", by=20 Brian Eno and Harold Budd ?
For that I  = understood, in=20 years and years I listened to it, 
ther's a lot of (asyncronous) looping in that disc. =
 
The concept of = looping here=20 is no the same of Different Trains and the other Reich's=20 work.
Reich work with = phrase shifts,=20 like this:
 
AAAAAAAA        =20 AAAAAAAA           = ; =20 AAAAAAAA
BBBBBBBBBB    =20 BBBBBBBBBB        =20 BBBBBBBBBB
 
While, Brian Eno and = Harold Budd=20 works with different loop lenghts, like this
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/     =              =
BBBBBBBBBB/BBBBBBBBBB/BBBBBBBBBB/BBBBBBBBBB
 
This is what I can=20 understand.....Todd, Is it right=20 ?
 
Fabio = Anile
 
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 
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Nota di riservatezza : Il = presente=20 messaggio, corredato dei relativi allegati, contiene informazioni da=20 considerarsi strettamente riservate, ed =E8 destinato esclusivamente al=20 destinatario sopra indicato, il quale =E8 l'unico autorizzato ad usarlo, = copiarlo=20 e, sotto la propria responsabilit=E0, diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse = questo=20 messaggio per errore o comunque lo leggesse senza esserne legittimato = =E8=20 avvertito che trattenerlo, copiarlo, divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone = diverse=20 dal destinatario =E8 severamente proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo=20 immediatamente al mittente distruggendone l'originale. = Grazie.

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------=_NextPart_000_0286_01C63174.C5C02870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 14:19:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C08D3BF21; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c63171$df582880$310dd00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:20:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) I do AABA tunes the boring way...I play the whole AABA form into one loop, e.g. Girl From Ipanema: http://www.marksmart.net/bands/jazzlooping/jazzlooping.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 14:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 815543BF22; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:23:58 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: 2006-02-11 open loops In-reply-to: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi tom, I tried to give this a listen, but the links on that page aren't working as of Tuesday morning, 2/14. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > http://loopny.com/2006/02/11 > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on March 11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 15:51:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAD333BF24; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: genkai.bluefrog.com: apache set sender to mizfeldman@bluefrog.com using -f Message-ID: <20060214105125.1ige1ew06os4co40@newwebmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:51:25 -0500 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC50 AABA looping? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Does anyone know if the RC50 could be used for AABA looping? I know it doesn't have a multiply or insert function, but here's what I thought: if you can sync up three loops to play simultaneously, could you sync them up to run one after the other? Aside from the feedback limitation, the RC50 sure looks cool ... paula ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 15:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A099A3BF2E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=aWBjeWAu9bkdQLwDmmy+9HFkvkGIMkw7Ic5yOxtYe3QmI88QJAsWyqTAAOonudBQCyLEo0HmbbPVr4/f+QxW5RvfjiPvUaVK0YZCpd5soeEnBv1910kZ74566efA1xJrgLKn1KPUguDIjyjeJJcOkgMKx5te80uIMGMfT5IJjOQ= ; Message-ID: <010601c6317e$b6cfa660$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> <3133.88.111.102.185.1139918510.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:52:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:52:55 +0000 (UTC) If you have some soldering experience, you may try something like this. I haven't try but it might work. Find something like a old roland TR505. Open it and replace the switches (these are switches not pad with velocity) with jack connectors. You can then connect footpedals to these and configure the beast to send up to 16 notes messages. layout is up to you and you still can add the kickdrum or Hhat to your loops. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Cheap bass floor keyboard? > I'm trying to find a way to include a 1 octave+ midi floor keyboard into > my setup. I think I'm desxtrous enough on the old violin to be able to > duet using my feet - thus allowing the loops to develop much quicker - as > well as being able to kick in a full sound inbetween loops. > > The Korg etc. models that are identical to the bass pedals on organs are > hugely overpriced, thus ruling them out for the moment. > > The FCB1010 can be set up in bass keyboard mode, but the layout of the > pedalboard is not ideal - plus you can't switch between keyboard and patch > mode without physically switching the unit off and on. > > I found on ebay yesterday a 61 key midi roll-up piano for about £40 (Item > 7389290029), which although not velocity sensitive, looks like a very > practical piece of kit. Something like that in bass form would be ideal > for what I am looking for. > > Does anyone else on list have any suggestions/ideas as to how I can do > what I want to do on a tight budget? > > Cheers in advance!, > > Stuart Wyatt > - http://swyatt.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 16:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 545643BF2E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: genkai.bluefrog.com: apache set sender to mizfeldman@bluefrog.com using -f Message-ID: <20060214111128.g6qjgcdopa8gog8c@newwebmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:11:28 -0500 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RC50 and AABA looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Does anyone know if the RC50 can do AABA looping? I thought maybe since it can sync three loops to play simultaneously, it could sync them to play one after the other ... ? I know it can't multiply or insert, which is a darn shame ... but if I can figure out another way to do an AABA song structure, I would definitely get an RC50! paula ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 18:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A423E3BF24; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060214100604.05201aa8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:15:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Graham, Thanks for your write up on Michael Brook! Not surprisingly, I'm really unfamiliar with Michael Brook's music. (it's probably like kryptonite for me :-) Would you mind expanding on how he uses looping in his music? I couldn't understand that from what you wrote. In what way is his use of looping interesting or influential for other loopers? What techniques did he use, how did looping fit into his music, what makes it noteworthy for loopers? I think these are the kinds of insight people coming to LD will be looking for. Also, I looked up the albums you mention, and they were released in 1992. By that time, a guy doing ambient music with a guitar and a looper was very well-traveled ground. I realize Michael Brook was probably doing this much earlier, so I wonder is there perhaps an earlier album when his approach could be considered more innovative? thanks, kim At 07:20 PM 2/13/2006, graham.maureen@sympatico.ca wrote: >Michael Brook Live at the Aquarium and the studio album Cobalt Blue was a >watershed moment for me. I was familiar with earlier works that Brook ( a >Toronto guitarist) had recorded in conjunction with Eno and Lanois, and >harold Budd, and while those are strong albums in their own right, it is >with Cobalt Blue and the live companion that I began being interested in >looping and textures. His rhythmic approach to sound was very new to me. >The fact that he is credited woith the creation of the infinite sustian >guitar (as opposed to the single string ebow) adds to his cache as a >significant player and a true trail blazer. Brook's work is an interesting >amalgam of all the players that I really love- and yet there is something >unique in his vision. >For me no one I had discovered had offered up such richly textured, and so >densely packed ideas in the realm of looped music. While both albums are >impressive- I have to admit the inferior live cd launched at the London >aquarium shows the true gifts that Brook possesses. > >I had the opportunity to share drinks once with Irish Hot Press >reporter/U2 writer/Across the Line (BBC Eire)host Stuart Bailey at the >Crown in Belfast. When asked what the best shows he had witnessed were I >don't remember the rest but the London gig for press for the launch of >Cobalt Blue (that became the live album) > >Brook's approach haunts me still. I am only saddened that his producer >duties appear to have taken precedence over his solo work. highly recommended! ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 18:28:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67BE23BF29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F220BB.1040600@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:26:03 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: now running stereo edp+ References: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060211160139.60A553BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:28:58 +0000 (UTC) I bought my 1st EDP+ over a year ago and had been considering going stereo for a few months. Well, my 2nd EDP+ just arrived and I've had a chance to get the stereo setup running. Simple, just did a power-on reset of both units then connected the midi & brother sync. Got the 2nd EDP+ from Musicians Friend for $725 (it was a scratch-and-dent special). I wasn't sure what to expect out of the box...it looks good as new but was missing the manual and wasn't packed in the usual plastic bag. So far it runs great. In addition to guitar, I run a Korg MS2000R synth through the EDP so having stereo makes things so much more fun! 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----0CWHfL3JhaISV5zJ9ri-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 19:57:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10253BF1C; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=adauuAOfff/v+WjeoF5v5LtwaQ4mR04K3aFNWYYv5TEfdec0yxNan/gRiihWounkRKtno7VYBMXtQyTGnWi9Ns3c6lvxQzjyz4KBNQJc9b3QbCVE7plOfJ6Denla90b5RodopvxCANRdVn2c6+edonaC5VyrsYv3RRUG9xi1wBw= Message-ID: <64b81a780602141157v4caae8cdn458d0a89163fa8af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:57:04 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Craft In-Reply-To: <386630459@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <386630459@web.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:57:06 +0000 (UTC) I have never taken a GC course, so understand that I'm speculating based on what I've read. It seems to me that... 1) According to the literature, you don't have to have any experience on the instrument before your first GC course, though I imagine absolutely no experience would make things very difficult (simply tuning up and fretting notes, for example, are arduous tasks for newbies.) 2) Proper technique is the goal of initial courses. To be specific, much of the existing technique a new student brings with them will be shelved and proper technique will be taught from scratch. 3) "What to play" will also be taught in the context of listening, assessing your position in whatever musical context you find yourself, and playing the right thing based on that knowledge. However, it seems that how to play is the focus of early courses, with what to play taking prominence in more advanced courses. I too have vacillated on attending a GC course and the cost has always prevented me from doing it. However, I like to think that I have benefited to some (very small) degree from what I've read, though I'm sure the face-to-face instruction and total immersion are invaluable to internalizing the craft. If you do end up taking the course, I'd love to hear how it turns out. Todd On 2/14/06, RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > I am seriously thinking about enrolling to Guitar Craft, even though 600 = Euro is a lot of money for me (I don't think it's overpriced!). I have read= the guitar craft experience of the author of the Fripp Book but I also tho= ught to ask some questions at the list since some people here have been at= GC: > - Do you have to be on a high technical level for the Stage one courses? > - Do you learn a lot of technique? Personally, I don't have a problem to = know what to play, but I'm seriously interested in learning a better techni= que since mine is pretty bad. > - What did you personally learn there and kept later on? > > Thanks for your time! > > Regards, Simon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:03:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB04C3BF22; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F2377A.2040704@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:03:06 -0800 From: Bob Campbell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Michael Brook on eMusic (Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060214100604.05201aa8@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060214100604.05201aa8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:03:45 +0000 (UTC) I see that Michael Brook's 'Cobalt Blue' is on eMusic http://www.emusic.com/album/10776/10776403.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 680D13BF1C; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QH3dUybbKKy9qSG1JCOi1jjBJ44BYe5PwQbRTES6LllxZ8qRbmpxSrD8hpByLap41yKXVOwUX+97ii0zGz/OTZDWmZi82FaMiXQDeSvuJfgrrFBJshw+hOwSukReOI4eCuV3xFSc6XlCiZv/o4VP38ZkX7ToBN2WlXveJlyk8t8= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602141204m7fb61530m7189d2de857bf480@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:04:14 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops In-Reply-To: <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Darn! I proofed every one of these last night. I just tried (one) of them and it started to download (though I don't have my sound card hooked up on this machine so I couldn't actually hear it, it looked as if it were playing...) I'm using the "Coral Cache" mechanism http://www.coralcdn.org/ which has worked really well for me until now. Could it be that you're going through some firewall that prevents those specific ports? Bet that's it! Moment pls.... On 2/14/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi tom, > > I tried to give this a listen, but the links on that page aren't working = as > of Tuesday morning, 2/14. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:01 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight > > Subject: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > > > > http://loopny.com/2006/02/11 > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on March 11 > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:08:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1593F3BF30; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:04:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: headrushers? In-reply-to: <410-22006221423156730@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43F237CF.7080409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <410-22006221423156730@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <4n-J0C.A.uMG.Wjj8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Timothy Mungenast wrote: > To answer Q.1, my pal Mark Sullivan once ran his Headrush into 4 amps, but > he was always into overkill, having 2 surfboard-sized pedalboards AND a > rack (LOL). Overkill? Dood! Have you seen Steve Rothery's TWO racks of gear? I saw it in a Marillion DVD. Gadzooks! >> [Original Message] >> From: skincage >> >> 2. in tape delay and normal delay modes, the pots create clicks when >> turned. is this normal or do i need to get mine cleaned up? > The ones that control a digital parameter cause the clicks you're hearing. The software in control of these parameters was designed poorly, imo. That said, this Akai is my main looper. I actually use it as a digital delay and control the feedback and high end roll off (tape sim) as my parameters of choice because they're analog and, as such, cause no noise. (At least I assume they're analog based on how poorly designed the software is for the knobs used for adjusting time parameters.) >> 3. how does the overdub feedback work in the headrush? since it's not >> adjustable i assume it's more or less an infinite pileup. > Yes. You CAN delete the overdubs and have the original loop remain. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631C73BF29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:12:54 EST Subject: RANG does AABA looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.36c2a3de.312393c6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_db.36c2a3de.312393c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you can create 2 different loops on the rang, each with a different feedback rate and it can be triggered so that the B loop plays only once and then goes immediately to A or you can have B bop along as long as you like before returning to A.....also with feedback you can have loop A or B evolve and devolve as much as you like.....when i read about all the loopers without "feedback control" i say send them to me, for some reason my rang defaults to 100% feedback at startup so there is no attenuation at all, i enjoy playing within this limitation (of course not all the time)......the RC50 looks interesteing, can't wait to try it.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_db.36c2a3de.312393c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you can create 2 different loops on the= rang, each with a different feedback rate and it can be triggered so that t= he B loop plays only once and then goes immediately to A or you can have B b= op along as long as you like before returning to A.....also with feedback yo= u can have loop A or B evolve and devolve as much as you like.....when i rea= d about all the loopers without "feedback control" i say send them to me, fo= r some reason my rang defaults to 100% feedback at startup so there is no at= tenuation at all, i enjoy playing within this limitation (of course not all=20= the time)......the RC50 looks interesteing, can't wait to try it.....mic



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 --part1_db.36c2a3de.312393c6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:13:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A8713BF3A; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G60lJapmLLnzhil+62GyY0iHDJ6WNGfx84gcmHQpQ6YaPy6mXvSA2LejVN4YPpEn/LYqbQXnzsoh//Fn14ggIuSQgIZ6E7v3lujGFarCoT5IVsYZyIoDwS4Uv1zgQ+4Pk4j5l/8vJ2bVmqgBG3ciTOfxdVw6xQSO8KoGmeWnlOA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:13:55 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602141204m7fb61530m7189d2de857bf480@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> <26ba8d120602141204m7fb61530m7189d2de857bf480@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:13:57 +0000 (UTC) OK -- try the alternate links I just added: http://www.loopny.com/2006/02/= 11/ If those work, let me know (so I know the limitations of this new technique= ). What error did you get? On 2/14/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Darn! > > I proofed every one of these last night. > > I just tried (one) of them and it started to download (though I don't > have my sound card hooked up on this machine so I couldn't actually > hear it, it looked as if it were playing...) > > I'm using the "Coral Cache" mechanism http://www.coralcdn.org/ which > has worked really well for me until now. > > > Could it be that you're going through some firewall that prevents > those specific ports? Bet that's it! Moment pls.... > > On 2/14/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Hi tom, > > > > I tried to give this a listen, but the links on that page aren't workin= g as > > of Tuesday morning, 2/14. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > > > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:01 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight > > > Subject: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > > > > > > > http://loopny.com/2006/02/11 > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on March 11 > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:22:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351243BF40; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:17:02 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? In-reply-to: <3133.88.111.102.185.1139918510.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43F23ABE.3070204@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> <3133.88.111.102.185.1139918510.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <_Tq58C.A.epG.Rwj8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I'm trying to find a way to include a 1 octave+ midi floor keyboard into > my setup. I think I'm desxtrous enough on the old violin to be able to > duet using my feet - thus allowing the loops to develop much quicker - as > well as being able to kick in a full sound inbetween loops. > > The Korg etc. models that are identical to the bass pedals on organs are > hugely overpriced, thus ruling them out for the moment. Not only that, but they sell on evilBay used for as much as, or more than, the price you pay new at a music store! ...because they're "rare." (HA!!) I bit the bullet and bought the Roland PK-5A, using my 10% band member discount. I'm in a band with an employee of that music store and get an extra 10% off of what Joe Blow has to pay. My take on the matter is; Pedals (at least the Roland model I bought) are not a popular item so they are expensive. Typically, they are not a stock item and you have to wait about a month to get them. (Low demand and even lower availability.) People who need them, may as well pay for new pedals because I've seen no deals in the used market. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:25:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6551F3BF45; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Guitar Craft Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:25:04 +0100 Message-ID: <007001c631a4$bdf25250$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYxoPMIiG65ORo+SJG5fN9s+T6kWQAAdggQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <386630459@web.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) > - Do you have to be on a high technical level for the Stage one courses? no > - Do you learn a lot of technique? not a lot of different ones, only the few crucial ones. Something like how to hold the pick and hands, to be able to play in an effective and relaxed way. Of course this is only one of many different ways to do it, but it works. Then there is a whole system of practices based on that, and pieces. > - What did you personally learn there and kept later on? you can learn a lot about yourself if you want. Stuff like, that it is more important to play one note really good than to play lots of notes fast but not good. That is, it is a certain kind of inner posture, of being present, that one can learn. And learning to be present is far more important than any musical technique. Only being present enables you to truly listen to the other musicians while you play. Other than that, one learns that "thrack" is a word describing the sound of many acoustic guitars playing a chord almost simultaneously. :-) and that the sound of many guitars played well together can be a truly uplifting experience. Also, there is lots of fun. By all means, go to that course and see for yourself. It may be something for you, maybe not, but it is definitively an interesting experience. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8F73BF48; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43F23D81.408@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:28:49 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops References: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> <26ba8d120602141204m7fb61530m7189d2de857bf480@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Tom, the links worked just fine for me yesterday. Tom Ritchford wrote: > OK -- try the alternate links I just added: http://www.loopny.com/2006/02/11/ > > If those work, let me know (so I know the limitations of this new technique). > > What error did you get? > > On 2/14/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> Darn! >> >> I proofed every one of these last night. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 20:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4143BF38; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tA99O3SSCYAvYx2EmS9lYrPYHPlOGIFuICkTxd4I9uzNyemrM372PyJR+SYf3aJ4r7pTM42NMs/Gn85wkLC5OvwzP8z6RB6N2Jk4WX/VtyJHeu53PC4ISeM4bPjUY45tgcijMxDDXke9i/xdfmMGvVis8+BRX9C1xJKFbXN0fys= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602141236v721426abg4bc3320632059640@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:36:48 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops In-Reply-To: <43F23D81.408@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> <26ba8d120602141204m7fb61530m7189d2de857bf480@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> <43F23D81.408@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:36:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure I know what it is -- and since it's relevant to loopers who are distributing online, I'll tell you. The Coral Cache is a great way to deliver large files without getting large bills -- the system takes your file and reads it the first time and then stores it for you, to deliver up next time someone wants it. However, it (right now) delivers through port 8090 -- and I'll bet people have firewalls that prevent these ports. Moral: if you provide a Coral Cached link -- always provide another link to the file directly. On 2/14/06, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Tom, the links worked just fine for me yesterday. > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > OK -- try the alternate links I just added: http://www.loopny.com/2006= /02/11/ > > > > If those work, let me know (so I know the limitations of this new techn= ique). > > > > What error did you get? > > > > On 2/14/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> Darn! > >> > >> I proofed every one of these last night. > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 21:39:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC553BF1E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43F24E07.9090707@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:39:19 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops References: <26ba8d120602132301n76aef4e8j2590802aab7776bc@mail.gmail.com> <012001c63172$4d2d8760$0502a8c0@Lightning> <26ba8d120602141204m7fb61530m7189d2de857bf480@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> <43F23D81.408@post.cybercity.dk> <26ba8d120602141236v721426abg4bc3320632059640@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602141236v721426abg4bc3320632059640@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Oh wow, thanks for the heads up on Coral! http://www.coralcdn.org/ I'll have to look into this some more. Andreas Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm sure I know what it is -- and since it's relevant to loopers who > are distributing online, I'll tell you. > > The Coral Cache is a great way to deliver large files without getting > large bills -- the system takes your file and reads it the first time > and then stores it for you, to deliver up next time someone wants it. > > However, it (right now) delivers through port 8090 -- and I'll bet > people have firewalls that prevent these ports. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 21:39:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F0BD3BF2F; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Guitar Craft Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:39:22 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c631af$1f371820$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007001c631a4$bdf25250$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYxoPMIiG65ORo+SJG5fN9s+T6kWQAAdggQAAMQcHA= Resent-Message-ID: <0i1FmD.A.NXB.P4k8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:39:28 +0000 (UTC) > to play lots of notes fast but not good. That is, it is a > certain kind of inner posture, of being present, that one can > learn. And learning to be present is far more important than > any musical technique. Only being present enables you to > truly listen to the other musicians while you play. Obviously, you also learn to write like Robert Fripp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 21:53:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446B73BF15; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=56mmj4JGcE9nMJgkyYRE6htZ8PoDO6zBpaGMwfJJ4tpx+pjpsEHh0qfK/AwNJQzSvzSPlSHWfxkc9oOrQ6ryGtxPWUFXyjrAYVxSCBmnJ+mHtjRizf1Tt4KqH+REZHlLc6ES/vHaoD7Msi+c/QCjlXSeNkeh1uQhfeKurv9eUBI= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Guitar Craft Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <386630459@web.de> Thread-Index: AcYxWivmSVqo0G9JSAuvoTQ3fwyCLQAUzp5g Message-Id: <20060214215316.505AB3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:53:18 +0000 (UTC) i had 2 radically different experiences at the 2 GC courses i've done. - Do you learn a lot of technique? Personally, I don't have a problem to know what to play, but I'm seriously interested in learning a better technique since mine is pretty bad. it's about how to play and not what to play. the approach is very specific about how you hold your pick, how you wear your guitar, how you sit in a chair, etc. basically an approach to the mechanics of playing. to really get the full experience you pretty much have to abandon all of the little habits you've been building since you first picked up the instrument. - What did you personally learn there and kept later on? most of the really valuable stuff i've taken away from GC have less to do with guitar than you'd expect. the division of attention, relaxation, how to move (with and without the guitar), comfort in odd meters. the best for me was getting up in the morning and knowing that after breakfast and tai chi, all i had to do that day was guitar work. socially, it was mostly a boys club with a bunch of prog rock nerds. at least in Level One. if you want more details, write me off list. m (a lapsed crafty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0B13BF29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: RE: git synth suggestions!! Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:25:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c631b5$82f62990$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C631BD.E4BA9190" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <40A2DF3D-AD72-48A8-B05B-D027CC3BDF0E@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3sW9zC.A.y5C.Mjl8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C631BD.E4BA9190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for that, but Lee.. can you elaborate on...there is just simply so much available within an Axon AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, "wow." ... what exactly??? I can see lots of neck splitting caperbilities, and this weird pickup area split thing.. that may or may not be usefull, cant really see right now.. but does it have sounds?, can you edit them? What is so "available" in the Axxon?? mark Dear Mark, Hey man, you may want to check out the Roland GI-30 (not the 20!!!) or an Axon AX-100 (don't sweat the Yamaha XG sound card, you're right it isn't the greatest). If you can get access to it, go with an Axon AX-100 mk.II, the little of the new German model, I've seen was rather impressive. Here's the slight catch, personally, I found that the Roland GI-30 was much easier to set-up and get it to do what little I wanted it to do, whereas there is just simply so much available within an Axon AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, "wow." I'm assuming that you've got a BC-13 cable running from your existing guitar to your Roland GR-30, and that it is at least a GK-1 if not GK-2, so, yes, you'd be able to use this guitar on any of these models. Also, since you're using a magnetic hex, vs. piezo hex pickup, you'll get the picking zones that are available to all three systems. Hope this Helps, Lee _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 15161 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C631BD.E4BA9190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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Hey man, you=20 may want to check out the Roland GI-30 (not the 20!!!) or an Axon = AX-100=20 (don't sweat the Yamaha XG sound card, you're right it isn't the = greatest). If=20 you can get access to it, go with an Axon AX-100 mk.II, the little of = the new=20 German model, I've seen was rather impressive. Here's the slight = catch,=20 personally, I found that the Roland GI-30 was much easier to set-up = and get it=20 to do what little I wanted it to do, whereas there is just simply so = much=20 available within an Axon AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, = just=20 say, "wow."
I'm assuming=20 that you've got a BC-13 cable running from your existing guitar to = your Roland=20 GR-30, and that it is at least a GK-1 if not GK-2, so, yes, you'd be = able to=20 use this guitar on any of these models. Also, since you're using a = magnetic=20 hex, vs. piezo hex pickup, you'll get the picking zones that are = available to=20 all three systems.

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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C631BD.E4BA9190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 22:47:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696173BF15; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:27 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <51BA4137.50D70B8C.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I'll put in a vote for Michael Brook's 1985 album "Hybrid", recorded with Brian Eno & Daniel Lanois. As Kim notes, "Cobalt Blue" & "Live at the Aquarium" date from 1992. From the 80s, there's also the Captive soundtrack (with U2's The Edge & a guest appearance from Sinead O'Connor). He's also on Eno's "On Land" and some of Jon Hassell's albums of the early 80s. I finally managed to find an old "Sound on Sound" interview, by Mark Prendergast, with Michael Brook from June 1990, where he describes his working methods as well as discussing the music that would become "Cobalt Blue". Some choice quotes : (Discussing the recording of "Hybrid" in 1985) : "Well I remember using the Electro Harmonix 16 second digital delay, which was pretty radical for that time. You could have 16 seconds of delay and play whole phrases on top of each other." (Discussing his current (1990) equipment) : "This Bel digital delay line I use live a lot. It produces 13 second loops in sync with MIDI, so it's like having a rhythm guitarist who can play for 13 seconds - that's very important for my live work." (Discussing the "Infinite Guitar") : "It's an ordinary guitar that's been modified with added electronic components which I built for it ... With the infinite guitar I can play longer phrases with a much gentler sound ... If you put a drone on this you get an infinitely ringing note, as long as you hold down the string ... So in reality, what this does is simulate a loud amplifier - it's just like having a 200 watt Marshall stack. Then I had the neck scalloped, so I could bend the notes like on a sitar. These pedals here are also part of the infinite: this is fuzz and these two here are two large volume pedals. These are echo volume pedals that I use live, so that I can have the guitar repeating and keep the volume just so." Hope that lot was of interest. I doubt that this interview will be on Sound on Sound's web site, as that seems to be mostly from 1994 onwards. There may be an interview with him from about the time he recorded "Night Song" with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and "Dream" with U Srinivas (about 1995/6). - Tony Kim Flint wrote [ requesting info about Michael Brook, snipped. ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 22:48:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416363BF0E; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1818.128.193.37.212.1139957299.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602141157v4caae8cdn458d0a89163fa8af@mail.gmail.com> References: <386630459@web.de> <64b81a780602141157v4caae8cdn458d0a89163fa8af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:48:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Guitar Craft From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:48:23 +0000 (UTC) > I have never taken a GC course, so understand that I'm speculating > based on what I've read. It seems to me that... I think that you're also going to have to retune your guitar to Fripp's New Standard Tuning (NST) which is, from top (lowest pitched) to bottom string : C G D A E G. The low C is the C below the usual low guitar E. If you want to sound like a Crafty Guitarist, this is good, but I'm not so certain about other applications. There's certainly a good argument for adjusting guitar tuning from EADGBE but NST is a pretty radical change and you'll have to leave all of your old chops behind. If you feel that you're in a rut, this may be a good thing. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 22:52:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD5543BF18; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:52:31 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2E6311EF.69DD39E4.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:52:36 +0000 (UTC) I forgot to mention that in the same interview, Brook mentions doing "sound on sound" recording when he was a teenager, presumably late 1960s / early 1970s (as the interview preamble states he was born in the early 1950s). - Tony Kim Flint wrote: [ snipped ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:04:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2A03BF21; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NWBmnR9n33wdEBYDVQAY4Tsgc73KeC0zILI3A9+kWMhwsS56ccAPRI6yrkV2o3Wd/5K0gOUgzG4TCHLPufoidfmpjSegQ1GFct5k1wEA3LLNv/ZJTFYPAU5JOMGlc0k0Se2+YjyfPdYrKwTwWWqI1p/ngiEVaGdUX/veiJti26A= ; Message-ID: <20060214230447.6402.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Guitar Craft To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602141157v4caae8cdn458d0a89163fa8af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:04:48 +0000 (UTC) I read an interview with Robin Trower once where he mentioned Robert Fripp who suggested his technique (using the thump to frett for ex.) was only hadicapping him,on the other hand i couldn´t imagine Hendrix or Page playing with a proper Fripp position and running around like that:-) I think personally one of the greatest benefits of such courses is not only the instruction but networking with other musicians,i have never attended one either but my brother who is a bass player attended MIT and also said that what this courses basically offer u is a chance to be locked with your instrument without distractions and a chance to learn more discipline than technique,something very hard to do by ourselves... Luis --- Todd Pafford wrote: > I have never taken a GC course, so understand that > I'm speculating > based on what I've read. It seems to me that... > 1) According to the literature, you don't have to > have any experience > on the instrument before your first GC course, > though I imagine > absolutely no experience would make things very > difficult (simply > tuning up and fretting notes, for example, are > arduous tasks for > newbies.) > 2) Proper technique is the goal of initial courses. > To be specific, > much of the existing technique a new student brings > with them will be > shelved and proper technique will be taught from > scratch. > 3) "What to play" will also be taught in the context > of listening, > assessing your position in whatever musical context > you find yourself, > and playing the right thing based on that knowledge. > However, it > seems that how to play is the focus of early > courses, with what to > play taking prominence in more advanced courses. > > I too have vacillated on attending a GC course and > the cost has always > prevented me from doing it. However, I like to > think that I have > benefited to some (very small) degree from what I've > read, though I'm > sure the face-to-face instruction and total > immersion are invaluable > to internalizing the craft. > > If you do end up taking the course, I'd love to hear > how it turns out. > > Todd > > > On 2/14/06, RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > > I am seriously thinking about enrolling to Guitar > Craft, even though 600 Euro is a lot of money for me > (I don't think it's overpriced!). I have read the > guitar craft experience of the author of the Fripp > Book but I also thought to ask some questions at > the list since some people here have been at GC: > > - Do you have to be on a high technical level for > the Stage one courses? > > - Do you learn a lot of technique? Personally, I > don't have a problem to know what to play, but I'm > seriously interested in learning a better technique > since mine is pretty bad. > > - What did you personally learn there and kept > later on? > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > Regards, Simon > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7163BF00; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UL/14Xa6pza1n+NrsWu8fJ96uFNWhhCilIhhH+7eirJ5ZH7NdTCGCsR9DYB7E3wbfIbi77PzJaHfDcLcxvlASVdgKLusXlJI6YN9oR6OEA3ffhLJrNJl54lSkRPr2Xq3wsUrYOT/g2olL1W8J9LAqdtUgsAK0p6e0xLd9BMYrUs= ; Message-ID: <20060214230507.28990.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: headrushers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43F237CF.7080409@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:05:08 +0000 (UTC) --- Bill Fox wrote: > >> 3. how does the overdub feedback work in the > headrush? since it's not > >> adjustable i assume it's more or less an infinite > pileup. > > > Yes. You CAN delete the overdubs and have the > original loop remain. That feature is probably my favorite thing about the Headrush. I often find myself using it to establish a central loop off of which I can pick a tangent, follow it until it gets too dense or I get sick of it, then undo everything but the base layer while changing direction to a different tangent. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:08:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5163BF34; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pd7wfIPst8mhuPLa/Uvut9HxZ3blU8zuWqgBF2+cFvmfmaysP9hcvSaLDxNBc5naFTwhbsoSP+hoS34JV2HZ1FS6qadJrfkti1KpnuE97iuWgfGd755CPC4gWZPchQBFTrzOHGVUa5lCiFClDX5+kg80XvkopLWmbcjnd1TTLL0= Message-ID: <64b81a780602141508ma5db6d1la20ba54536183cff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:08:13 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RANG does AABA looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:08:14 +0000 (UTC) To be clear, only the Boomerang+ or an upgraded first version Boomerang can do this. Todd On 2/14/06, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > you can create 2 different loops on the rang, each with a different feedb= ack > rate and it can be triggered so that the B loop plays only once and then > goes immediately to A or you can have B bop along as long as you like bef= ore > returning to A.....also with feedback you can have loop A or B evolve and > devolve as much as you like.....when i read about all the loopers without > "feedback control" i say send them to me, for some reason my rang default= s > to 100% feedback at startup so there is no attenuation at all, i enjoy > playing within this limitation (of course not all the time)......the RC50 > looks interesteing, can't wait to try it.....mic > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:08:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B1FE3BF37; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F262F3.6000600@biink.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:08:35 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Craft References: <20060214230447.6402.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060214230447.6402.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo wrote: >I read an interview with Robin Trower once where he >mentioned Robert Fripp who suggested his technique >(using the thump to frett for ex.) was only >hadicapping him,on the other hand i couldn´t imagine >Hendrix or Page playing with a proper Fripp position >and running around like that:-) > Both work for different reasons. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:39:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A493BF1C; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:41:23 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: 2006-02-11 open loops In-reply-to: <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c631c0$2a0aa3a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tom, That must have been it. The new links work fine - listing to the final piece right now. Very cool. I especially like that 8-note distorted piano-ish loop going on through a lot of the middle of the piece. Who's on the recording? Anyone else from the list? The error I received, btw, was: loopny.com.nyud.net could not be found. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > OK -- try the alternate links I just added: > http://www.loopny.com/2006/02/11/ > > If those work, let me know (so I know the limitations of this > new technique). > > What error did you get? > > On 2/14/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > Darn! > > > > I proofed every one of these last night. > > > > I just tried (one) of them and it started to download > (though I don't > > have my sound card hooked up on this machine so I couldn't actually > > hear it, it looked as if it were playing...) > > > > I'm using the "Coral Cache" mechanism > http://www.coralcdn.org/ which > > has worked really well for me until now. > > > > > > Could it be that you're going through some firewall that prevents > > those specific ports? Bet that's it! Moment pls.... > > > > On 2/14/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > Hi tom, > > > > > > I tried to give this a listen, but the links on that page aren't > > > working as of Tuesday morning, 2/14. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:01 AM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight > > > > Subject: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > > > > > > > > > > http://loopny.com/2006/02/11 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > /t > > > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on March 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://loopny.com > > ....... live looping on February 11 > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 14 23:55:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 927E03BF21; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <51BA4137.50D70B8C.59DF470E@netscape.net> References: <51BA4137.50D70B8C.59DF470E@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F39D941-831C-4154-B656-8CF8B371EBD9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:55:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:55:19 +0000 (UTC) On 14 feb 2006, at 23.47, Tony Douglas wrote: > Hope that lot was of interest. Very interesting! Thanks for relating that Soud On Sound article on Michael Brook. I have had his album Hybrid since the release in 1985 and I have always been wondering how he got those sound out of that "infinite" guitar. So he was looping then... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 00:12:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5257F3BF26; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:12:45 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <33CD9CCA.5CDF1B23.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, It's a bit of both. From what he's said, there are some electronics that do the same job as standing in front of a very loud amp and controlling the feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that produces infinite sustain, as opposed to alternating magnets vibrating the strings, which is I think other devices get huge sustain. That potentially infinte sustain then gets looped. He also has the guitar wired with an IVL Pitchrider MIDI interface, so he's driving synths with it too. The Edge's intro to "With or Without You" is also infinite guitar. There are apparently only three of them in existence (Daniel Lanois has the other). Every interview, however, Brook is quite reticent about how the infinite guitar works at a nuts'n'bolts level, as he says he is in discussions with manufacturers about marketing it, although I'm not aware of that having come to anything. - Tony Per Boysen wrote: >On 14 feb 2006, at 23.47, Tony Douglas wrote: >> Hope that lot was of interest. > >Very interesting! Thanks for relating that Soud On Sound article on >Michael Brook. I have had his album Hybrid since the release in 1985 >and I have always been wondering how he got those sound out of that >"infinite" guitar. So he was looping then... > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.looproom.com (international) >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 00:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 644823BF30; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xFY3fqcYjDU1ljCvVjoyXeu4hYpz97XFy/vmKjN414DnPBK0jpHkZH5HOkATSfLtr/HeORHNc6U3/v7/swP94JflO14AAi/2u04L097v4nOwKSrI6fOpuF0IFseCdhr0/l2tjNwDzTvtwIgmQ87tNSGq7/5SusYII28rHBuQHWI= ; Message-ID: <20060215002228.30745.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <33CD9CCA.5CDF1B23.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5hBq2B.A.CkH.QRn8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tony, wouldnt that device be a sustaniac that mounts on the headstock? From what i understand The Edge also uses a Fernandes sustainer. cheers Luis --- Tony Douglas wrote: > Hi Per, > > It's a bit of both. From what he's said, there are > some electronics that do the same job as standing in > front of a very loud amp and controlling the > feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that produces > infinite sustain, as opposed to alternating magnets > vibrating the strings, which is I think other > devices get huge sustain. That potentially infinte > sustain then gets looped. He also has the guitar > wired with an IVL Pitchrider MIDI interface, so he's > driving synths with it too. > > The Edge's intro to "With or Without You" is also > infinite guitar. There are apparently only three of > them in existence (Daniel Lanois has the other). > Every interview, however, Brook is quite reticent > about how the infinite guitar works at a > nuts'n'bolts level, as he says he is in discussions > with manufacturers about marketing it, although I'm > not aware of that having come to anything. > > - Tony > > > > Per Boysen wrote: > > >On 14 feb 2006, at 23.47, Tony Douglas wrote: > >> Hope that lot was of interest. > > > >Very interesting! Thanks for relating that Soud On > Sound article on > >Michael Brook. I have had his album Hybrid since > the release in 1985 > >and I have always been wondering how he got those > sound out of that > >"infinite" guitar. So he was looping then... > > > >Greetings from Sweden > > > >Per Boysen > >www.looproom.com (international) > >www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > >www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those > annoying pop-ups. > Download now at > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Clear:RELAYCLIENT. Processed in 0.027285 secs); 15 Feb 2006 00:42:26 -0000 Received: from 84-73-56-94.dclient.hispeed.ch (HELO alhambra) (pxqmail@84.73.56.94) by mail.perspectix.ch with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 00:42:25 -0000 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Kim Flint" Cc: Subject: looparc mail address Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:42:15 +0100 Message-ID: <006701c631c8$ae593560$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Hi Kim I'm currently unsubscribed from LD, but occasionally scan the subjects = for interesting posts. While doing this, I saw that there are sometimes posts by spammers that = mail directly to the address looparc@loopers-delight.com. I presume anyone = can post to this address without being subscribed. Maybe it's worth = considering turning off that address? Thanks for keeping up this amazing site! Have fun! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 01:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C94F3BF13; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018301c631cb$d25a6760$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:04:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-Tw4OC.A.QVB.t4n8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Maybe I'm missing something here, Stuart, but what about buying a Behringer FCB 1010 and programming the banks so that the pedals will trigger midi notes. I contol my Repeater that way sometimes. and hi, by the way, it's nice to see you posting again after your long absence. a hug to you, my friend, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 01:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7F033BF0D; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:08:38 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: (aka Fun With Google) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1A38A19D.1BD347C3.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Well ! I found the following link which has more detail about the Infinite Guitar and other sustaining systems than I ever thought I wanted to know ! http://www.fringedigital.com/brook/instrumentation/infinite.shtml Apologies if everybody else already knew about that site ... - Tony PS. The Edge might use use Fernandes kit now, but I'm pretty sure that for the Joshua Tree album it was an Infinite Guitar. Luis Angulo wrote: [ snipped ] __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 01:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2DDE3BF14; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002001c631b5$82f62990$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <002001c631b5$82f62990$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-599026629 Message-Id: <99116C71-0C10-478C-B12C-A7DDD2A77493@comcast.net> From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: git synth suggestions!! Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:38:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:38:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-599026629 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Mark, Hey man, ok, some of the little things that I was seriously digging with the Axon AX-100 (no soundcard version was what I tried out for a bit of time) and I think that the new AX-100mk.II is only available with a sound card, and I believe that it is still a Yamaha XG, but I could easily be incorrect. The string split(s)/select(s) are in and of themselves really neat (and available on a few systems out there with differing degrees of success) personally, I found them useful, especially in trying to do the one-man-band-thing). The pick zones took a bit to get used to, but are also useful if you want to switch between instruments playing the same pitches in the same location, vs. playing in different areas to get the same pitch. Again, a personal preference thing, and it may not necessarily be for you. If you check out the manuals, you'll see quite a number of things to be tweaked, some of them you can tweak while you play, others have to be done beforehand. The main thing with the Axon AX-100 line that is really amazing and rather overwhelming is the level of different items one can program into these conversion boxes. Don't get me wrong the new Roland GI-30 is very impressive (found it was much easier to use), but I want to say that there were quite a number more parameters available for tweaking within the AX-100 series. That's what I was talking about. One other thing that I found I enjoyed a bit more with the AX-100 (remember that I've only ever used the non-soundcard version) is that I could use a few different instruments (6-string guitar with a lower pitch on the low E string, took it down to a lower C# without too much degradation, just had to make a few changes to the input series of parameters to let it know that there was a much lower pitch on that E string, 6-string bass with phenomenal tracking, and a Grand Chapman Stick) with this system. You may want to check out http:// www.musicindustries.com/manuals/axon/AX-100-manual.pdf , http:// www.musicindustries.com/manuals/axon/AX-100-lit.pdf and http:// audioen.terratec.net/modules.php? op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1 for both Blue Chip Music's and TerraTec's info... L8r on, Lee On Feb 14, 2006, at 5:25 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Thanks for that, but Lee.. can you elaborate on...there is just > simply so much available within an Axon AX-100, let alone the > AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, "wow." ... what exactly??? I can > see lots of neck splitting caperbilities, and this weird pickup > area split thing.. that may or may not be usefull, cant really see > right now.. but does it have sounds?, can you edit them? What is so > "available" in the Axxon?? > > mark > > > > > > Dear Mark, > > Hey man, you may want to check out the Roland GI-30 (not the 20!!!) > or an Axon AX-100 (don't sweat the Yamaha XG sound card, you're > right it isn't the greatest). If you can get access to it, go with > an Axon AX-100 mk.II, the little of the new German model, I've seen > was rather impressive. Here's the slight catch, personally, I found > that the Roland GI-30 was much easier to set-up and get it to do > what little I wanted it to do, whereas there is just simply so much > available within an Axon AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that > well, just say, "wow." > I'm assuming that you've got a BC-13 cable running from your > existing guitar to your Roland GR-30, and that it is at least a > GK-1 if not GK-2, so, yes, you'd be able to use this guitar on any > of these models. Also, since you're using a magnetic hex, vs. piezo > hex pickup, you'll get the picking zones that are available to all > three systems. > > Hope this Helps, > > > Lee > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 15161 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! --Apple-Mail-1-599026629 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Mark,

Hey man, ok, some of the = little things that I was seriously digging with the Axon AX-100 (no = soundcard version was what I tried out for a bit of time) and I think = that the new AX-100mk.II is only available with a sound card, and I = believe that it is still a Yamaha XG, but I could easily be = incorrect.

The = string split(s)/select(s) are in and of themselves really neat (and = available on a few systems out there with differing degrees of success) = personally, I found them useful, especially in trying to do the = one-man-band-thing).=A0 The pick zones took a bit to get used to, but = are also useful if you want to switch between instruments playing the = same pitches in the same location, vs. playing in different areas to get = the same pitch.=A0 Again, a personal preference thing, and it may not = necessarily be for you.
If you check out the manuals, you'll = see quite a number of things to be tweaked, some of them you can tweak = while you play, others have to be done beforehand.

The main thing with the = Axon AX-100 line that is really amazing and rather overwhelming is the = level of different items one can program into these conversion boxes.=A0 = Don't get me wrong the new Roland GI-30 is very impressive (found it was = much easier to use), but I want to say that there were quite a number = more parameters available for tweaking within the AX-100 series.=A0 = That's what I was talking about.=A0 One other thing that I found I = enjoyed a bit more with the AX-100 (remember that I've only ever used = the non-soundcard version) is that I could use a few different = instruments (6-string guitar with a lower pitch on the low E string, = took it down to a lower C# without too much degradation, just had to = make a few changes to the input series of parameters to let it know that = there was a much lower pitch on that E string, 6-string bass with = phenomenal tracking, and a Grand Chapman Stick) with this system.=A0 You = may want to check out=A0htt= p://www.musicindustries.com/manuals/axon/AX-100-manual.pdf ,=A0http:/= /www.musicindustries.com/manuals/axon/AX-100-lit.pdf and=A0http://audioen.terratec.net/modules.php?op=3Dmodloa= d&name=3DNews&file=3Darticle&sid=3D1 for both Blue Chip = Music's and TerraTec's info...

L8r on,


Lee

O= n Feb 14, 2006, at 5:25 PM, mark francombe wrote:

=
Thanks for that, but Lee.. can you = elaborate on...there is just simply so much available within an Axon AX-100, = let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, "wow." ... what = exactly??? I can see lots of neck splitting caperbilities, and this = weird pickup area split thing.. that may or may not be usefull, cant = really see right now.. but does it have sounds?, can you edit them? What = is so "available" in the Axxon??
=A0
mark
=A0
=
=A0


=A0
Dear Mark,

Hey man, you = may want to check out the Roland GI-30 (not the 20!!!) or an Axon = AX-100 (don't sweat the Yamaha XG sound card, you're right it isn't = the greatest). If you can get access to it, go with an Axon AX-100 = mk.II, the little of the new German model, I've seen was rather = impressive. Here's the slight catch, personally, I found that the = Roland GI-30 was much easier to set-up and get it to do what little I = wanted it to do, whereas there is just simply so much available within = an Axon AX-100, let alone the AX-100 mk.II that well, just say, "wow." =
I'm assuming that you've got a BC-13 cable running from = your existing guitar to your Roland GR-30, and that it is at least a = GK-1 if not GK-2, so, yes, you'd be able to use this guitar on any of = these models. Also, since you're using a magnetic hex, vs. piezo hex = pickup, you'll get the picking zones that are available to all three = systems.

=
Hope this Helps,


Lee

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= --Apple-Mail-1-599026629-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 02:51:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77BC93BEF3; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2295.128.193.37.212.1139971873.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <002001c63171$df582880$310dd00c@insightbb.com> References: <20060211160139.5A0F93BEF1@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060211173013.027e9850@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060212104953.01b399f8@TheNettles.com> <002001c63171$df582880$310dd00c@insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:51:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Looping AABA tunes From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Well, I looked at Andy's suggestion until I went cross-eyed but I couldn't see how I could make it work for the EDP with a tune with the following choruses with no breaks or set up: 1. Drums looping plus melody 2. Drums and melody looping plus chords 3...N-1. Drums and chords looping plus solo. N. Drums plus chords plus melody. So I'm going to try using a Boss RC-20 to loop the melody once. That will go like this: 1. a) EDP: Record 2-4 bar drum loop 1. b) EDP: Multiply (Guitar off). RC20: Record melody (Guitar on). 2. EDP: Overdub chords (Guitar on). RC20: Play. Melody loops (Guitar off or on). 3. EDP: Nextloop to keep drums plus chords in reserve on loop1. Now looping drums and chords on loop2 while playing solos on guitar. RC20: Stop. 4...N. EDP: Now can overdub and undo as necessary. The first trick will be the tap dancing. The second trick is the synchronization between the RC20 and the EDP, but looping the melody just once on the RC20 will give me a little of slop to work with, I think. If anyone can see any way to improve this or do it with just the EDP, let me know. I just spent thirty minutes at a whiteboard drawing timing charts and staring at them and this is the best I can do with my limited knowledge of the EDP. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 07:17:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0BFD3BEF3; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Guitar Craft Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:17:21 +0100 Message-ID: <006301c631ff$dd6a98d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYx/OgOKcZd9o/xTQqHYZ7yXDZ7xQAAdvFw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000701c631af$1f371820$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:17:30 +0000 (UTC) >> learning to be present is far more important than any musical technique. Only being present enables you to truly listen to the other musicians while you play. > > Obviously, you also learn to write like Robert Fripp :-) no. Then I would have used Roman paragraph numbers, I., II., III., IV. to state my point :-) That presence thing was not invented by Robert. It is central for all teachings that deal with consciousness and reality. Bennett and Gurdijeff (Robert's teachers) taught it but they learned it from Buddhism and the Sufis. It simply means that you have to be awake, not busy with daydreaming, in order to be a good musician and to live a real life. Of course this is only the beginning. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 07:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1BB33BEF4; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 7:32:43 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.156.157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060215073241.EA81F258AB0@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Brook is reticent about the nuts and bolts because he had someone else actualy design the electronics and make it work. In a mid-90s interview he mentions a Mr X who did the electronics design. I happened to work with a guy called X at the time, and it happened that X had asked me about how my Ebow worked and whether he could borrow it to dismantle and reverse engineer. When I suggested that X was the Mr X in the interview he went bright red and clammed up - an interesting colour for an Asian - he wasn't permitted to do any design work outside of his day job. So I never got to the bottom of it. I have protected his identity as I am sure he would want me to - very much a backroom guy - and I believe he still works for that company. One can summise that the IG must work in a very similar fashion to the Maniac Sustainiac ( www.sustainiac.com ) and the Fernandez Infinate Sustainer - design pinched from Maniac. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: Date: 15/02/06 00:12 The Edge's intro to "With or Without You" is also infinite guitar. There are apparently only three of them in existence (Daniel Lanois has the other). Every interview, however, Brook is quite reticent about how the infinite guitar works at a nuts'n'bolts level, as he says he is in discussions with manufacturers about marketing it, although I'm not aware of that having come to anything. - Tony ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 07:54:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61B93BEFE; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=0oHjwcLun1NoRL8f26VK/OZyK4pP9yMswOhntITJDI553zoztWrBzpyIlhoFWF/o4mg6kJJATmxPJiZypzQHt1I4RjWdlQzMvvgkXP0R6b6DAZyaHyRoyC7whULUmlnl9hUcZm+N7dAuug+h2Q/czup2wmGJ0o2ABnQ9AZUku6U= ; Message-ID: <00bc01c63205$04f61820$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <386630459@web.de> <64b81a780602141157v4caae8cdn458d0a89163fa8af@mail.gmail.com> <1818.128.193.37.212.1139957299.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: Guitar Craft Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:54:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:54:19 +0000 (UTC) It's the second time I hear about this "new" tuning on the list. If I understand it well, from EADGBE tuning it's -4,-2,0,+2,-5,+3 semitones? Does this mean changing the strings? Thanks for any info regarding this. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Craft >> I have never taken a GC course, so understand that I'm speculating >> based on what I've read. It seems to me that... > > I think that you're also going to have to retune your guitar to Fripp's > New > Standard Tuning (NST) which is, from top (lowest pitched) to bottom string > : C > G D A E G. The low C is the C below the usual low guitar E. If you want > to > sound like a Crafty Guitarist, this is good, but I'm not so certain about > other applications. There's certainly a good argument for adjusting > guitar > tuning from EADGBE but NST is a pretty radical change and you'll have to > leave > all of your old chops behind. If you feel that you're in a rut, this may > be a > good thing. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:03:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731343BEFF; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: LooperTools 0.91 (Beta 2) Available for DigiTech JamMan Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:03:17 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <003a01c63206$47760fb0$6601a8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcYxf5AY0LS+iC9XRmWBj5iDGpkOeg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:03:25 +0000 (UTC) After some great feedback and lots of suggestions, I am pleased to announce the availability of LooperTools SE 0.91 (Beta 2) at http://www.LooperTools.com. If you have a DigiTech JamMan, you'll want to get this application. With a 30-day trial period, you have nothing to lose, and if you contribute feedback as a beta tester you'll receive discounts on the final versions and a chance to win a free license! LooperTools is a Windows-based manager for the DigiTechR JamManR Looper/Phrase Sampler. Some of its features include: * Persistent library folder to store your loops on your PC * Name your loops! * Drag loops from your PC to the JamMan * Drag loops from the JamMan to your PC * Copy loops from one location to another on the JamMan * Edit all loop settings on the JamMan (including Tempo in beats-per-minute) * Select a rhythm based on its name, not just a number * Easily keep different loop sets on different cards * Name your cards! * Easy, familiar Windows interface * Print a list of your loops * Delete loops directly on the card * Play loops from the JamMan or library on your PC * Supports both a direct connection to the JamMan and card readers * 30-day trial period * Library list is now much more Explorer-like (folders, deleting, etc.) * Adjustable screen layout * Links to online site * Online, on-demand version checking * Loop settings maintained while copying between looper and PC * Create your own wav file, copy it to your device, and run LooperTools to automatically create a settings file * Backup and restore your loops using using the industry standard "zip" format * Clear all loops from card/reformat card * "Smart Copy" handles multiple file copying by allowing you to either overwrite or fill-in available locations * "Defrag" your JamMan! Consolidate loops on the device by removing empty locations * Many more features currently in development If you are uncomfortable using beta software, I invite you to sign-up for our mailing list so that you can be notified when LooperTools is fully released (soon!). Steve Mark LooperToolsT www.LooperTools.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:21:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 191493BF02; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAIlx8kM4gVyFOiw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060214210643.02c74d70@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:27:49 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re:Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <20060214113108.9C7483BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060214113108.9C7483BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3Gmb1C.A.njH.ASu8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:21:21 +0000 (UTC) >Yes, I want to set up AABA tunes like a standard jazz combo tune. A >short rhythm intro followed by the head followed by the changes >followed by soloing over the changes. hi Kevin, So why not a) set up rhythm b) play head over rhythm without overdubbing. c) do a Multiply in order to overdub the changes d) play your solo over the changes & rhythm e) play the head over the changes & rhythm It would be nice to hear the Melody while playing the chords, but there's no way to do that without leaving the melody in the loop. (unless you also lose the rhythm). Is there a way you can play rhythm and chords together? then you could put feedback to zero and 1) record a bar of rhythm 2) go straight into Multiply, and play the head 3) End the Multiply with overdub 4) play the chords with strong rhythm under the melody 5) bring feedback to 100% and solo over the chords if that appeals to you, then using Expert mode would make it easier. andy butler www.andybutler.com (mp3s & info) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 08:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCFF13BEF3; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAJB48kOCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215084516.02849d40@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:53:53 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain In-Reply-To: <20060215025118.E9D5F3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060215025118.E9D5F3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1_05TB.A.RR.uxu8DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Infinite guitar sustain > From what he's said, there are some electronics that do the same > job as standing in front of a very loud amp and controlling the > feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that produces infinite sustain, > as opposed to alternating magnets vibrating the strings, which is I > think other devices get huge sustain. I think I saw a description once. One of the guitar pickups is run "in reverse". i.e. the amplified guitar signal is sent to the pick-up, which vibrates the string. I don't know if you need a special pickup for this, but certainly some regular pickups would burn out rather quickly. If that's right, it would be a fixed position ebow. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 10:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBEE33BEF1; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FNHgIbbRf+29MQ7DyblljRhZCQndWSrSNOK8W36JUPO8kqTv+Lim/mhU3zDB6A5teQiRxosbqgTVhokniRYMOxvnsnceASiLOB2wm+A4lHz3MFob7m5sy2ToqDjfNJCrLHodR6Rncmh7R8IMBLfy8fqSlYpxxDN8IWkTBiKSGlw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602150240h2d4859a3k1b5772cf59da806f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:40:36 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: In-Reply-To: <20060215002228.30745.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <33CD9CCA.5CDF1B23.59DF470E@netscape.net> <20060215002228.30745.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:40:39 +0000 (UTC) On 2/15/06, Luis Angulo wrote: > wouldnt that device be a sustaniac that mounts on the > headstock? From what i understand The Edge also uses a > Fernandes sustainer. There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that clamps to the headstock: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar (and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is the 'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 11:36:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354C53BEF7; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.028326 secs Process 6716) Message-ID: <1283.88.111.102.185.1140003368.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <018301c631cb$d25a6760$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <018301c631cb$d25a6760$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:36:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:36:10 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe I'm missing something here, Stuart, but what > about buying a Behringer FCB 1010 and programming > the banks so that the pedals will trigger midi notes. I think that is the way that I will have to go... My main gripe with using the 1010 is the layout of the switches... I was looking for an option that more resembled a keyboard layout. > and hi, by the way, it's nice to see you posting again after your long > absence. Cheers Rick :) Its good to be back And thanks peeps for the other suggestions both on and offlist. - Stu http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 13:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 975403BEE7; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YLWdEMh4KVhISVK0N/C/2D/SCgD4sbo/SRHQsWcBZm+e2r3uKVEVQEvq3X5uBX8yXEsrsh3GjrJKvxbji13QUjkLQhWoJixtPx5XIUI4ghqtQPZl0RwIK5ZN6ACpI+eP13T+8Di+LJpPbI1q1FmaoRq+OQCRbQoMsgkpjEABrBg= ; Message-ID: <20060215134910.61260.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1283.88.111.102.185.1140003368.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Stuart perhaps this could be something you could use to trigger basses and other sounds: http://www.zetamusic.com/products/display.asp?id=63 cheers Luis --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing something here, Stuart, but what > > about buying a Behringer FCB 1010 and programming > > the banks so that the pedals will trigger midi > notes. > > I think that is the way that I will have to go... My > main gripe with using > the 1010 is the layout of the switches... I was > looking for an option that > more resembled a keyboard layout. > > > and hi, by the way, it's nice to see you posting > again after your long > > absence. > > Cheers Rick :) Its good to be back > > And thanks peeps for the other suggestions both on > and offlist. > > - Stu > http://swyatt.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 15:46:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8BA3BEF1; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48D632F1-58DC-4828-BA49-566EFBE62041@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Loop-heavy gigs in England next week... Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:59 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0dR-PD.A.zZH.xz08DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'll be out driving the looperlative again next week - Wed 22nd Feb =20 is the next Recycle Collective gig, with me, Patrick Wood, Orphy =20 Robinson and Roger Goula. Muchos looping in evidence from my =20 Looperlative, an RC-20, Max/MSP, and maybe a load of others, =20 depending on what everyone brings! The Recycle Collective gigs thus =20 far have been some of the best live music I've ever been involved in. =20= The venue is Darbucka in Clerkenwell, London, doors are at 7pm, =20 tickets are =A36/=A34. www.recyclecollective.com www.darbucka.com www.orphyrobinson.com www.worksmusic.net And then on Thursday, I'm playing at CB2 in Cambridge - a lovely tiny =20= cellar venue. I'm there with Theo Travis, who's now looping with two =20 DL4s, playing a whole load of improv stuff and some tunes from our =20 CD, For The Love Of Open Spaces. Tickets are =A37, and music starts at = 8. www.theotravis.com www.cb2bistro.com see you there! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 16:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49F883BEFF; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.028833 secs Process 32485) Message-ID: <3035.88.111.102.185.1140020702.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20060215134910.61260.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1283.88.111.102.185.1140003368.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> <20060215134910.61260.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:25:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:25:06 +0000 (UTC) > Stuart perhaps this could be something you could use > to trigger basses and other sounds: > http://www.zetamusic.com/products/display.asp?id=63 > cheers > Luis That would be ideal... sadly, to get that thing Midified, you also need a $2500 zeta midi converter... In other words, for the basic setup, it would be over $4,700 :( One can dream though :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 16:54:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEB23BEF1; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FNimOGhF+/LRDEGhUxVWy+vaU+RX+Bbdyt9YlruFcpMJTm8UBPn2Oxf2mT4VHw8U7tVUTHaf5pp7PDMXj5SKMxBxUHEXyA5Li0NihxmR1QJ46YALI8Ic2Obt7X2UMP2rAd3GGwR9vr348toYAxW4l3If91fKa/WqoTXlU6tsVF4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602150854n5ec43399o1c2752f54362f765@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:54:03 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops In-Reply-To: <001001c631c0$2a0aa3a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120602141213m7f86501jfe831f2876c6b515@mail.gmail.com> <001001c631c0$2a0aa3a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:54:06 +0000 (UTC) On 2/14/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi Tom, > > That must have been it. The new links work fine - listing to the final pi= ece > right now. Very cool. I especially like that 8-note distorted piano-ish l= oop > going on through a lot of the middle of the piece. Who's on the recording= ? > Anyone else from the list? Good question. I didn't know everyone who showed up -- I think Lou Rossi is the only other list member there (distinctive stick stuff....) > > The error I received, btw, was: loopny.com.nyud.net could not be found. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:14 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > > > > OK -- try the alternate links I just added: > > http://www.loopny.com/2006/02/11/ > > > > If those work, let me know (so I know the limitations of this > > new technique). > > > > What error did you get? > > > > On 2/14/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > Darn! > > > > > > I proofed every one of these last night. > > > > > > I just tried (one) of them and it started to download > > (though I don't > > > have my sound card hooked up on this machine so I couldn't actually > > > hear it, it looked as if it were playing...) > > > > > > I'm using the "Coral Cache" mechanism > > http://www.coralcdn.org/ which > > > has worked really well for me until now. > > > > > > > > > Could it be that you're going through some firewall that prevents > > > those specific ports? Bet that's it! Moment pls.... > > > > > > On 2/14/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > Hi tom, > > > > > > > > I tried to give this a listen, but the links on that page aren't > > > > working as of Tuesday morning, 2/14. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On > > > > > Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:01 AM > > > > > To: Loopers-Delight > > > > > Subject: 2006-02-11 open loops > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://loopny.com/2006/02/11 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > /t > > > > > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on March 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://loopny.com > > > ....... live looping on February 11 > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ....... live looping on February 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 17:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6106D3BEFA; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:03:38 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060215170334.DC209254856@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Did you look at that MIDI converter? The hardware - front panel at least - looks remarkabley like an Axon AX100 guitar to MIDI converter. I guess it has firmware specific to Zeta. I seem to remember that Andras, who's second name I can never remember how to spell, and who designed the Axon guitar to MIDI converters and the Shadow ones perviously, and has his name on the Axon patents, works for Zeta now... Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? Date: 15/02/06 16:25 That would be ideal... sadly, to get that thing Midified, you also need a $2500 zeta midi converter... In other words, for the basic setup, it would be over $4,700 :( One can dream though :) ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 17:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728D23BF0C; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ya/+8USdvJKiZndwaCjl7fREWL3/rda3RuoSryMYC740xWVBwbBN1CyWxZ4Z/fMCoZw68EH+gFkltRbbfewCJabbrVOhPREHdzBuJ9DjANsSmCOvgXVZsXsj4G4zazTNGtBjP1b2/5eJGa00vGvYWRCSLXE4J086E25xpDGfUV8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602150908g57ab26ecv88ddfd4b0a15d591@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:08:16 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? In-Reply-To: <3035.88.111.102.185.1140020702.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1283.88.111.102.185.1140003368.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> <20060215134910.61260.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> <3035.88.111.102.185.1140020702.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:08:40 +0000 (UTC) On 2/15/06, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > That would be ideal... sadly, to get that thing Midified, you also need a > $2500 zeta midi converter... In other words, for the basic setup, it woul= d > be over $4,700 :( > > One can dream though :) Have you checked down the back of the sofa? :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 17:29:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D78D3BF0E; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cJdodr+9u0aoztGDFa+EC457XQRJ1fLbsWVk5IbGvCDuQIq+8/L2iDV4vskXTws1BD1OB9pfGIiNVOO5HHAbLO5UyJRPcKVoq7PNK3rqhXdh84PqdjioAxiOP82h0CMHjdbdF6zHj98oFA4+2jtdjEBgOBXim2ptHpRQXuJrOts= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770602150928i2b00ac93uf06ae5fc5129f27e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:28:43 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop albums In-Reply-To: <20060213164543.58074.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9850_22486181.1140024523121" References: <20060213163412.64BA23BF28@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060213164543.58074.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:29:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9850_22486181.1140024523121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you're liking the Fenesz stuff, I can also recommend the album "October Language" from the band Belong which just came out on Carpark records. Two guitars processed into very pretty staticky stuff. ------=_Part_9850_22486181.1140024523121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you're liking the Fenesz stuff, I can also recommend the album "Oct= ober Language" from the band Belong which just came out on Carpark rec= ords. Two guitars processed into very pretty staticky stuff. ------=_Part_9850_22486181.1140024523121-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 19:03:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9793BF01; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Server-Uuid: 19320F60-75F1-4C03-876A-1D6F44F99F6F Subject: Repeater Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: matthew.quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:00:02 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 02/15/2006 02:01:30 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6FEDA5F51XS1393954-61-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi All..... So I've been using my Repeater for about 3 months now, and it's still producing basically too much noise to use through my current set up- looking for any input on possible solutions other than having it modded by the guy in MA who charges $175. Would it help to get a small PA set up instead of an amp? As I understand it, it's an issue of a line level signal being fed into an amp that is not able to handle it. Any help is greatly appreciated, I LOVE my Repeater & really really want to show some people what I can do with it, but with the current level of noise produced, it's no a possibility. Thanks all, happy looping! Matt here's a post I made on the Electrix board with the basic info on what I have tried so far : ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* OK, so I've been using this thing with just headphones for a bout a week, I finally bring it into my music room & set it up with my amp, and it is HORRIBLY noisy- all sorts of static & hum. It can be drowned out when a loop is playing, but if you're just idling around it's unbearable. I've tried running it at the end of my chain straight into the amp. I've tried running it in the amps FX loop. I've tried using the Repeaters front panel input & rear input. The weird part is the noise is 100% non-existant over the headphone out when running to a pair of headphones- but if you run the headphone out to the amp, the noise shows up again. Please help, it's neat to be able to hear my loops on headphones but this thing is useless if I can't put it through an amp. My set up is Dean 4 string bass/Roland SPD-6/keyboard>>Boss GT6B>>Ibanez Synth pedal>>Repeater>>Galien Krueger Backline 250 head>>Ampeg 2x10 cab. I know the problem is the Repeater, this noise has never showed up before, and it disappears when I remove the Repeater from the equation... Post # 2 on the subject: I know SOMETHING is not right in the connections.....I assume the unit (while a little noisy) is not the main problem here. Like I said initially, if I just run everything into the Repeater & listen to the output on headphones, there is none if this noise at all....yet if I run a 1/4" cable from the headphone out into the amp, all the noise appears again. Same thing if I hook up the regular outputs to the amp. Yet I can use the amp just fine if I take the Repeater out of the chain. It's driving me batty.....I know nothing about this, does it need to be grounded or something? Would upgrading my cables help? Should I move the unit off my keyboard? Any help would be great, I love the Repeater's performance, but as of now I'm the only one who can hear it.... Oh, when I run a line out of the headphone jack into an input on my stereo, there is no noise either...maybe I should try running it right into my cab instead of through the amp? Post #3 ok, went home last night, turned the ground lift switch on my amp 'off', plugged the Repeater & the amp into the same outlet, still getting the hum. But it sounds pristine through headphones. Does anyone know if I'll blow anything up if I run the headphone out straight into my cabinet? The cab is an Ampeg 2x10.... Post #4 Well, my most recent experiment was to run the Repeater's headphone out directly into my Ampeg 2x10 cab. The good news- no noise at all. The bad news- obvs the headphone amp in the Repeater is not driving the cab very loudly. So I figure it's not the unit, it's probably the FX loop on my amp & some non-agreeance between the 2. I tried Radio Shack for the suggested -12db attenuator cable mentioned often in these forums, but they didn't have one, and so far I have been unsuccessful at locating one. I may have the Reapeater modded at some point, but for now the cost is a little steep.... Post #5 OK, I now have a small mixer at home- last night I tried running it between the output of the Repeater & the return on the amp's FX loop, still no luck at all.....sucks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 19:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5003BF15; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fDx28uPLdVhYN5VX3+kg7gXCI7JxtBn/RhNQF96fFzc1tlBfBjHIMOUkfvqSr0e9OqO/GKiQrlaeU9CifFERV+KKybrsDA/SbrFVKT+MeUyvwmnLeaz4sSsZ5r8zVtLBzIxQs1spKKU6UuwKLt4Aab0jqHb83oHx18MnvN4Zglc= Message-ID: <64b81a780602151113v65013c3cw67ea071ee81e9b97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:13 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Craft In-Reply-To: <00bc01c63205$04f61820$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <386630459@web.de> <64b81a780602141157v4caae8cdn458d0a89163fa8af@mail.gmail.com> <1818.128.193.37.212.1139957299.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <00bc01c63205$04f61820$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:13:16 +0000 (UTC) EADGBE -> CGDAEG =3D -4, -2, 0, +2, +5, +3 semitones (note the +5 on the 2nd string vs. your -5 below). Standard guitar strings will work, but those top two strings are very tight while the bottom is a bit flabby. I find that it takes a while for my guitars to "settle in" to the new tuning as a completely different torque is placed on the neck (treble side tighter, bass side looser). A hybrid set of strings may work better with superlight gauge on top, heavy on bottom. A little googling will turn up discussions about the ideal gauges to use. Todd On 2/15/06, Ben wrote: > It's the second time I hear about this "new" tuning on the list. > If I understand it well, from EADGBE tuning it's -4,-2,0,+2,-5,+3 semiton= es? > Does this mean changing the strings? > > Thanks for any info regarding this. > > Ben. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:48 PM > Subject: Re: Guitar Craft > > > >> I have never taken a GC course, so understand that I'm speculating > >> based on what I've read. It seems to me that... > > > > I think that you're also going to have to retune your guitar to Fripp's > > New > > Standard Tuning (NST) which is, from top (lowest pitched) to bottom str= ing > > : C > > G D A E G. The low C is the C below the usual low guitar E. If you wan= t > > to > > sound like a Crafty Guitarist, this is good, but I'm not so certain abo= ut > > other applications. There's certainly a good argument for adjusting > > guitar > > tuning from EADGBE but NST is a pretty radical change and you'll have t= o > > leave > > all of your old chops behind. If you feel that you're in a rut, this m= ay > > be a > > good thing. > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Nouveau : t=E9l=E9phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! D=E9couvez le= s tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > T=E9l=E9chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 19:18:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C70773BF02; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Guitar Craft Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:18:03 +0100 Message-ID: <009501c63264$8b4b15b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYyY/t/nvjL+ps2QxuJIgQ88R1JyAAAEjtQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <00bc01c63205$04f61820$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: <7sPKpB.A.UQ.u538DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:18:06 +0000 (UTC) > Does this mean changing the strings? the thick strings should be somewhat thicker and the thin ones thinner ... maybe .9 or .10 -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:04:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 180AB3BF04; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:04:36 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recommended Dealer for Casio DAT Repair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi, all: I have a Casio DAT recorder than, when new, cost me around $1200. It was a nice unit for its time. I recently applied power to the unit and almost immediately, I smelled something getting VERY hot. I pulled the plug before the damn thing caught fire. I don't know if this DAT recorder is worth having repaired or not. I suspect it would cost at least $100 USD for a repair and probably more than that. Does anyone have similar experiences they can share regarding the repair of such items? Thanks! Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:09:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE363BF02; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:08:59 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001101c6326b$a8fc3bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYya6hROPTyvSOxTjixgJuTYKN2kQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Dear Mobius users, how do you setup your foot controller for use with Mobius? I'd like to use at least a few of the banks of my FCB1010 for this, and as I'm not familiar with the EDP philsophy, I have no idea what the best possible distribution of the functions over the buttons may be. Any ideas are appreciated (as well as setups by EDPers who use a FCB1010). Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:25:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A49D53BEE6; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060215152538.p8indo12wvksw08s@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:25:38 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommended Dealer for Casio DAT Repair References: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> In-Reply-To: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Paul, I had a similar experience, bought a rarely used DAT and used it once and then found a great deal on some workstations that have done well for me. As a result I was recently thinking of putting my DAT up on Ebay. It's the Fostex 5D. Make me an offer. ~peace~ Michael Quoting paulrichard10@adelphia.net: > Hi, all: > > I have a Casio DAT recorder than, when new, cost me around $1200. It > was a nice unit for its time. I recently applied power to the unit > and almost immediately, I smelled something getting VERY hot. I > pulled the plug before the damn thing caught fire. > > I don't know if this DAT recorder is worth having repaired or not. I > suspect it would cost at least $100 USD for a repair and probably > more than that. Does anyone have similar experiences they can share > regarding the repair of such items? Thanks! > > Paul Richards > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 20:26:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 431953BEE1; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060215152647.d8mbgumnkq2o00sg@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:26:47 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, paulrichard10@adelphia.net Subject: Re: Recommended Dealer for Casio DAT Repair References: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> In-Reply-To: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:26:57 +0000 (UTC) It's a Fostex D5- aixelsyd!!! Quoting paulrichard10@adelphia.net: > Hi, all: > > I have a Casio DAT recorder than, when new, cost me around $1200. It > was a nice unit for its time. I recently applied power to the unit > and almost immediately, I smelled something getting VERY hot. I > pulled the plug before the damn thing caught fire. > > I don't know if this DAT recorder is worth having repaired or not. I > suspect it would cost at least $100 USD for a repair and probably > more than that. Does anyone have similar experiences they can share > regarding the repair of such items? Thanks! > > Paul Richards > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 21:39:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7938C3BEF4; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAFgo80OCFIU8LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215212640.02c6c040@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:38:17 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <20060215191316.700363BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060215191316.700363BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:39:06 +0000 (UTC) At 19:13 15/02/06, you wrote: >Well, I looked at Andy's suggestion until I went cross-eyed aaah, :-) you confused me with the way you originally described step 5. which was "soloing over the tune" ..which I thought meant "soloing over the melody" (because I'm a literal minded kind of a chap) your quite right, there's no way to do what you want with the edp alone. It's not possible to remove a layer while leaving the layer above intact. A pity the RC-20 won't send out MIDI clock. Question ....how are you doing the drums? (there may be another way to sync) andy > but I couldn't see >how I could make it work for the EDP with a tune with the following choruses >with no breaks or set up: > >1. Drums looping plus melody > >2. Drums and melody looping plus chords > >3...N-1. Drums and chords looping plus solo. > >N. Drums plus chords plus melody. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 21:56:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FBC03BEE1; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <001101c6326b$a8fc3bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <001101c6326b$a8fc3bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D355566-0BA2-481B-9EC5-50700DE61895@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:56:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:56:14 +0000 (UTC) On 15 feb 2006, at 21.08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear Mobius users, > > how do you setup your foot controller for use with Mobius? I'd like > to use > at least a few of the banks of my FCB1010 for this, and as I'm not > familiar > with the EDP philsophy, I have no idea what the best possible > distribution > of the functions over the buttons may be. That may have to do with your looping, rather than with the EDP ;-) What functions and in what order you tend to use them etc. etc. > Any ideas are appreciated (as well > as setups by EDPers who use a FCB1010). My fav Mobius functions for a major FCB bank are: Record, Overdub (Toggle), Multiply, Undo, Next Loop, Speed, Substitute INsert, Sus Overdub, Reverse, Re-align. I guess that is basic stuff. Other banks keep some of the first banks functions in to combine them with different scripts on the other buttons. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 15 23:58:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6400B3BEE6; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gQJgeySAxLwaSOpORqwffq4KL2SR880qTijb07Mt9ZU2MwxwCjVDogSl5Z1yI5FCIiI1qYU3ia1IZZR14RQomJqG+T9XkzLAedZAvFIMGcjlQ1xnV0sQdSRLHsty6fGeahxD/Ep2iUc/zUkXK5lzKKumoClbJwlLY+KnYYN5l6A= Message-ID: <588ce11d0602151558w51fd8d29s8553d6748d010404@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:58:55 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommended Dealer for Casio DAT Repair In-Reply-To: <20060215152647.d8mbgumnkq2o00sg@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> <20060215152647.d8mbgumnkq2o00sg@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5fGSNC.A.N4C.CB88DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) I just discovered there is one (or really one series) of flash based mp3 recorders that provides phantom power, or really "plug in power" like minidisc recorders. It's suppose to be 2.5v as opposed to the 1.5v of a typical minidisc. It's not DAT quality, but if you can live with 320kps mp3 files, the iRiver IFP-895T 512 MB MP3 Player is a steal at $99.99 shipped from Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B5MJF8/ref=3Dsr_11_1/002-5771515-66344= 59?%5Fencoding=3DUTF8 These do seem to break easily, but they are tiny, and the 512Mb of memory will give you 3 1/2 hrs at 320kps. The iRiver ifp 700 & 800 series were the only flash mp3 recorders that could power a condenser microphone, and they've been discontinued, so if you are interested now is the time. Here are some reviews: http://www.geekfishing.net/media/podcast/2005/03/16/iriver_ifp799_recording= .html http://www.videouniversity.com/iriver.shtml http://todmaffin.com/blogs/radio/?p=3D912 On 2/15/06, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > It's a Fostex D5- aixelsyd!!! > > Quoting paulrichard10@adelphia.net: > > > Hi, all: > > > > I have a Casio DAT recorder than, when new, cost me around $1200. It > > was a nice unit for its time. I recently applied power to the unit > > and almost immediately, I smelled something getting VERY hot. I > > pulled the plug before the damn thing caught fire. > > > > I don't know if this DAT recorder is worth having repaired or not. I > > suspect it would cost at least $100 USD for a repair and probably > > more than that. Does anyone have similar experiences they can share > > regarding the repair of such items? Thanks! > > > > Paul Richards > > > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 03:16:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70CC03BEFE; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215190837.01a7a990@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:16:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Cheap bass floor keyboard? In-Reply-To: <43F23ABE.3070204@soundscapes.us> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> <3133.88.111.102.185.1139918510.squirrel@webmail.swyatt.com> <43F23ABE.3070204@soundscapes.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:16:17 +0000 (UTC) At 12:17 PM 2/14/2006, Bill wrote: >Stuart Wyatt wrote: > >>I'm trying to find a way to include a 1 octave+ midi floor keyboard into >>my setup. I think I'm desxtrous enough on the old violin to be able to >>duet using my feet - thus allowing the loops to develop much quicker - as >>well as being able to kick in a full sound inbetween loops. >> >>The Korg etc. models that are identical to the bass pedals on organs are >>hugely overpriced, thus ruling them out for the moment. > >Not only that, but they sell on evilBay used for as much as, or more >than, the price you pay new at a music store! ...because they're >"rare." (HA!!) I bit the bullet and bought the Roland PK-5A, using >my 10% band member discount. I'm in a band with an employee of that >music store and get an extra 10% off of what Joe Blow has to pay. I've used a Roland PK-5 a while ago and it's pretty cool. eBay USA now has one for auction at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7389878225&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 If that auction doesn't work for you and you don't mind the shipping from the US and the customs, I've got one gathering dust in my studio. I'm not sure I want to part with it yet, but it occurred to me the other day that I hardly ever use it and I just bought a Roland VG-8 that I'm expecting momentarily. But maybe I should just sell it on Craigslist... I've also got an old-school bass MIDI sound module that works wonderfully with it. Contact me off-list. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 03:38:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA96F3BEE6; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215192718.01d1c828@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:38:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: iRiver 7xx (Was: Recommended Dealer for Casio DAT Repair) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0602151558w51fd8d29s8553d6748d010404@mail.gmail.co m> References: <24007705.1140033876888.JavaMail.root@web19> <20060215152647.d8mbgumnkq2o00sg@www.michaelplishka.com> <588ce11d0602151558w51fd8d29s8553d6748d010404@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:38:10 +0000 (UTC) At 03:58 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >The iRiver ifp 700 & 800 >series were the only flash mp3 recorders that could power a condenser >microphone, and they've been discontinued, so if you are interested >now is the time. My esteemed spouse gave me an iRiver iFP-799 1Gb recorder for Xmas. It's the size of a Bic lighter and records a file in its own proprietary format that is automagically converted to MP3 on your PC via USB. It eats batteries one AA at a time but it can record 34 hours of music at 64 bps or 17 hours at 128 bps. The line-in has enough oomph in the preamp for me to use my old passive MD player mic. I use it to record rehearsals and performances. I wouldn't use it for releasing albums but it's brilliant for tracking your performance. I edit the field recordings with Audacity and then download them onto another MP3 player for practice. The cons are that it's flimsy, easy to turn on accidentally and it requires you to install software on the PC that you're using to download. Moreover, you can't transfer an MP3 or WAV file to it and then transfer that file to another PC. But for my purposes it works. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:06:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D7E3BEE9; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215195434.01cefec0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:06:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060214210643.02c74d70@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060214113108.9C7483BF2E@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060214210643.02c74d70@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:06:09 +0000 (UTC) At 01:27 PM 2/14/2006, Andy wrote: >a) set up rhythm >b) play head over rhythm without overdubbing. >c) do a Multiply in order to overdub the changes >d) play your solo over the changes & rhythm >e) play the head over the changes & rhythm >Is there a way you can play rhythm and chords together? > >then you could put feedback to zero and > >1) record a bar of rhythm >2) go straight into Multiply, and play the head >3) End the Multiply with overdub >4) play the chords with strong rhythm under the melody >5) bring feedback to 100% and solo over the chords If I understand what you're saying, for c) I still have to play just chords a full time through the AABA tune. I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid that; then I can sound like a trio when I play solo. I could try playing a chord melody but that's harder than just laying a single-note line over chords and it restricts the line as well. But maybe I'm totally wrong. Does this get me out my predicament and I just don't see it? Or do I have to dig out the RC20 and tap dance? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:11:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA4A23BF04; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215200653.01ab3eb8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:11:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re:Kevins AABA In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215212640.02c6c040@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060215191316.700363BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060215212640.02c6c040@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:11:15 +0000 (UTC) At 01:38 PM 2/15/2006, Andy wrote: your quite right, there's no way to do what you want with the edp alone. >It's not possible to remove a layer while leaving the layer above intact. Oops, I should have read this one before I replied. Looperlative folks, here's a major selling point to implement! ;-) >A pity the RC-20 won't send out MIDI clock. > >Question ....how are you doing the drums? >(there may be another way to sync) I would prefer to do the drums acoustically because that's more visually impressive to the audience; that is, they won't think I'm just using canned loops. I think we're thinking here along the same lines; I'm thinking of syncing the RC20 with the EDP acoustically by splitting the signal. Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:14:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81AA83BF01; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215201216.01dae508@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:14:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Loop-heavy gigs in England next week... In-Reply-To: <48D632F1-58DC-4828-BA49-566EFBE62041@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <48D632F1-58DC-4828-BA49-566EFBE62041@steve-lawson.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:14:53 +0000 (UTC) At 07:46 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: >The venue is Darbucka in Clerkenwell, London, doors are at 7pm, >tickets are £6/£4. Record it, upload it, share it. You'd be surprised how many of us aren't from London. ;-) Just publish the URL where you stash it here on the mailing list and the plebes can still buy your album from iTunes or wherever. On the other hand, if you think it sufficiently commercial, record it and let us know where we can buy it. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:20:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223103BF08; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215201725.01d1bcb0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:20:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060213182959.04d6bed0@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:20:33 +0000 (UTC) At 06:37 PM 2/13/2006, you wrote: >Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required >to also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it >is essential to looping. Explain the historical context if fits >into, how it was influential, what techniques it innovated, etc. Hi Kim, Before I write something up, could you please clarify something for me? The Looper's Essential Listening section includes folks like minimalist composers who are looping "manually" as it were. Is the Essential Listening just for live loopers, live and studio loopers or folks who loopers could learn a lot from? Thanks for all your hard work at keeping Looper's Delight going. It's one of my favourite websites. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 04:25:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E68E83BF22; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215202325.01e562a8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:25:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Multiple SIDosis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone entered this into the Essential Listening section? The prehistoric section? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From: http://www.vintagetips.com/> To have a film inducted into the National Film Registry is quite an honor. Directors like Francis Ford Coppola and Martin Scorcese have films there, and so does Sid Laverents. Who?! Well, Sid Laverents is an amateur filmmaker whose film "Multiple Sidosis" was inducted into the permanent collection of the National Film Registry in 2000. Made in 1970 as a project for the San Diego Amateur Moviemakers Club, this complex... yet simple film is totally disarming. It's impossible not to like it. I'm not going to say any more about it. Just download the movie and take a look at it: http://www.vintageip.com/vintagetips/media/multiple.mp4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 07:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 071EE3BEE0; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215233356.01e6e2c8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:36:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602150240h2d4859a3k1b5772cf59da806f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <33CD9CCA.5CDF1B23.59DF470E@netscape.net> <20060215002228.30745.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80602150240h2d4859a3k1b5772cf59da806f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:36:19 +0000 (UTC) At 02:40 AM 2/15/2006, David wrote: >There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that >clamps to the headstock: > >http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm > >which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar >(and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is the >'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: > >http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm > >and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. > >The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not >sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. > >the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act >rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between >flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. What is the difference in the flavour of effect? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 07:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB7193BEFE; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5Icm/GQMhr0wUZVdk0rLfuuM8LTkwmfaChyeKV+eIjHtKaBNiIGWgkSQnr0Yg7kzYdXVjCFM4LYp5gKo84TMW5bLfCASYVOm+Sukoygb1QZrspuPiRbMBYnokhrPR8vLTOK82ZI8HO1C7KLRsEVgTn2lNRO83DxY1WX/B8Ek4rY= ; Message-ID: <005801c632ce$6ace6200$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <009501c63264$8b4b15b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Guitar Craft Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:55:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Thank you to both of you, Michael and Todd. I'll investigate on google and perhaps convert my old squier to this new tuning. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: RE: Guitar Craft >> Does this mean changing the strings? > > the thick strings should be somewhat thicker and the thin ones thinner ... > maybe .9 or .10 > > -m > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 07:57:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D95A3BEFE; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: , "Loopers Delight" Subject: experimental music webradio Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c632ce$ad68dbe0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <005701c6324d$63765d90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Thread-Index: AcYySCvEodLa/kHsSzqaT1BXiNyzmgAAuoAwACC/qPA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:57:56 +0000 (UTC) those with very open ears and a fast internet access might want to = listen to the latest issue of Raudio, an Amsterdam based webradio/podcast which = also features some of my more experimental tracks ... -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ----------------------- RAUDIO #07 ... an evolving series of brand new 'pure sound tracks', many = of which were created exclusively for Raudio, by Element-Aire [Chauss=E9e d'Ixelles], HarS [Nature_s, Gain, 2 Fuck'n'Roll-cuts], Ralph = Lichtensteiger [2 Montage Pieces, Depolarisation (II, III), Saint Croix One], La = Soci=E9t=E9 des Timides =E0 la Parade des Oiseaux [short live extract], Seth = Gordon's Grace, Often (1921), Thomas Ashcraft [forward scatter radio recordings], Visteclaro, 0 OK, 0:1 ["... and now i have my eggs! ... thank you ..."], = and Rinus van Alebeek [Radio met Ontbijt, Pay a little bit, Marriage/Mirage, = Ich glaube], Leandro Barzabal [declare holy war against what we see every = day, walking on foot as an alternative, and i think, it=B4s a... i don=B4t... = know], Charlie Charlie ["please,"], Cosmo Helectra [Mortevieille, Pocket = Gamelan, Tape Hiss], FlexRex [Morsure], Guy van Belle [This is the day], Will = Guthrie [Seville], Ate M. Hes [(200)6 plunders], Blinde Kinder, Roy McCoy [Cincinnati Angel], Michael Peters [a song of love, cutupradio20060129, gumowski-mira, not an animal, slidescan_times16], E. R=E9bus [wellbox = (1-3), Dusseldorf, T-Coma], Arnaud Rivi=E8re [jeanmathieux, jeanluc, jeanmarc, jeanjean], Ben Roberts [_-_buto_special, -_fur-esther_-_raudio-version, hummy_i_m_home], Brian Salmons [5 'Holland lo-fi' tracks], Mark Webster = ... http://www.park.nl/park_cms/public/index.php?thissection_id=3D46 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 08:04:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5703BF13; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ZkplQT58JYT6ackE0SbLhrKYVZUQQrsr5407IqITkMU/OSUfpsHkUPf8PHqZRf2G1pb/HYibnvOpApgN+JXXf18aaMIQ772fczEkJeGI/nivTKQBOJezqFRhskpqBWf56W2H4jXFjbL9erA3n1dKSBIgmDe96yhr5ce5irGKS2g= ; Message-ID: <008901c632cf$97b7c4e0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <001101c6326b$a8fc3bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:04:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Mine is Bank 1: Bottom row Note 1 = Record Note 2 = Overdub Note 3 = Multiply Note 4 = Insert Note 5 = Undo Upper row Note 6 = Next Track Note 7 = Reverse Note 8 = Next loop Note 9 = 1/2 speed Note 10 = Quick save Thanks to the quick midi assign function I sometimes change Note 4,7 and 9 to suit my need or use the PCkeys. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) > Dear Mobius users, > > how do you setup your foot controller for use with Mobius? I'd like to use > at least a few of the banks of my FCB1010 for this, and as I'm not > familiar > with the EDP philsophy, I have no idea what the best possible distribution > of the functions over the buttons may be. Any ideas are appreciated (as > well > as setups by EDPers who use a FCB1010). > > Thanks, > > Rainer > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 10:24:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4EEC3BEFE; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <004501c632ce$ad68dbe0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <004501c632ce$ad68dbe0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F38655E-47E3-4EBB-9020-72294F60504C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: experimental music webradio Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:24:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:24:53 +0000 (UTC) On 16 feb 2006, at 08.57, Michael Peters wrote: > those with very open ears and a fast internet access might want to > listen to > the latest issue of Raudio, an Amsterdam based webradio/podcast > which also > features some of my more experimental tracks ... > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de Thanks. Streaming fine here. I bookmarked the station in iTunes. Listening now. BTW, talking about interesting music, here's a link I just found to music by James Pearson: http://www.pearsonart.com/pmusic.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 11:41:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCA743BEF4; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:37:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <43F463F3.2040201@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <9AgvhD.A.kO.XTG9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:41:11 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze and more of his remastered works. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from "In Blue" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#feb Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 12:12:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E3783BF14; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <645F1459-64DA-4B76-9829-B5CEE8069CB8@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Loop-heavy gigs in England next week... Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:12:30 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8Baa7D.A.NmB.wwG9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:12:33 +0000 (UTC) >>Record it, upload it, share it. You'd be surprised how many of us aren't from London. ;-) Just publish the URL where you stash it here on the mailing list and the plebes can still buy your album from iTunes or wherever.<< If I get the chance to, I will. However, I've got enough things to think about at one of these gigs, that recording it ends up way down the list. If it does happen, and it's worth doing something with, you can hear it, but my priority is the live part of the evening, rather than the archive bit. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 13:41:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8749A3BF00; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1140097259!41203501!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E48@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater Noise Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:40:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C632FE.9EC9DFF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:41:02 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C632FE.9EC9DFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" umm... excuse me if I've missed one of y'r permutations listed in the posts- I have a slight hangover- but is the noise present on the headphone output while the repeater is connected to the GK's fx loop using the repeater's rear panel connections? & have you tried taking the repeater's line outputs to y'r hifi amp, with the GK totally removed from the picture? duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C632FE.9EC9DFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater Noise

umm... excuse me if I've missed one of y'r = permutations listed in the posts- I have a slight hangover- but is the = noise present on the headphone output while the repeater is connected = to the GK's fx loop using the repeater's rear panel = connections?

& have you tried taking the repeater's line = outputs to y'r hifi amp, with the GK totally removed from the = picture?
duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C632FE.9EC9DFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 15:40:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0303BEFF; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060216073800.01b07150@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:40:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: Guitar Craft In-Reply-To: <009501c63264$8b4b15b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <00bc01c63205$04f61820$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <009501c63264$8b4b15b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2xEx9C.A.2YB.1zJ9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) If you're interested in Guitar Craft and Fripp in general, you might want to check out Eric Tamm's online book about Robert Fripp. The full text is available for free at: http://www.erictamm.com/tammfripp.html Eric also wrote a free book on Brian Eno which is available at: http://www.erictamm.com/tammeno.html Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 15:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55FE3BF22; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Server-Uuid: 19320F60-75F1-4C03-876A-1D6F44F99F6F Subject: RE: Repeater Noise To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: matthew.quinn@sunlife.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:43:58 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.4 HF129|May 12, 2005) at 02/16/2006 10:44:50 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6FEA42561XS1753475-172-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9c7NTB.A.jnB.E6J9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Hmm, headphone out to FX loop in on the GK? SO it would be bass>amp>(FX out)Repeater's rear input (GT6-B on the Repeaters FX loop)>out the Repeaters headphone out>back in the GK FX loop>cab? I actually don't think I have tried that way- will give it a shot tonight, thanks fopr the reccomendation! I actually had hooked up the Repeater to a bookshelf sized stereo (regular RCA inputs from the Repeaters headphone jack), the loops came out perfect, no noise. goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 02/16/2006 08:40 AM cc: Please respond to Subject: RE: Repeater Noise Loopers-Delight umm... excuse me if I've missed one of y'r permutations listed in the posts- I have a slight hangover- but is the noise present on the headphone output while the repeater is connected to the GK's fx loop using the repeater's rear panel connections? & have you tried taking the repeater's line outputs to y'r hifi amp, with the GK totally removed from the picture? duncan. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 15:53:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C973BF18; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.47.109] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215233356.01e6e2c8@TheNettles.com> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:53:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2006 15:53:11.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[166A1770:01C63311] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Not sure if anybody else had this experience, but a coupla years ago I went out and bought a Fernandes Sustainer. I had been using an e-bow for years and had heard wonderful stories about the Sustainer. It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the faintest of feedback and it sounded lousy. I'm sticking to my e-bow. just my 2 cents. >At 02:40 AM 2/15/2006, David wrote: >>There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that >>clamps to the headstock: >> >>http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm >> >>which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar >>(and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is the >>'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: >> >>http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm >> >>and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. >> >>The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not >>sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. >> >>the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act >>rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between >>flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. > >What is the difference in the flavour of effect? > >Thanks, >Kevin > >The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:01:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23F33BF27; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OHx6SdSKme2DkpPRtS7X3zRFH3UA3NOq0vytP8VOJ2o+6aiGS4rGLdeDpAaQU5kj2njw1NH/nEXuwaCXEPzrIkSkojZobFA7BMHsYpcyJ24Jb7AtC9HuKF9/i1NjIRbLUMoEWBgJHUIp2+wfUXj/P8Gfvd0hNl7B1e9527xbVN8= ; Message-ID: <20060216160156.1623.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Guitar Craft String Gauges To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060216114112.48DF93BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2EiXaB.A.XgC.1HK9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:01:57 +0000 (UTC) While regular strings will work, they are not optimal. The standard NST gauges are: .059 .047 .032 .021 .013 .011 I prefer a .020 instead of the .021 or .022 that some people gravitate toward. A .020 will break more easily at the tuning machine. I found that supergluing a small piece of folded up paper to the tuning head where the string enters, helps immensely with the string breakage problem. It also helps to have a guitar tech setup your guitar for optimal nut sizing and bridge adjustment. Since the lowest string is so thick, I had my tech add a little bit of graphite epoxy to the nut to shorten the active length of the string and thus bring the lowest fretted notes into better intonation. Kinda what Buzz Feiten does but without all the obfuscation. :) For some reason, D'Addario strings sound better to my ear than any of the others, by a long shot. They seem to last much longer too. I no longer play any of the Crafty repertoire, though since the lowest 4 strings are the same as Cello tuning, I play mostly the Bach Cello Suites on my Ovation. String length is almost the same as the Cello as well, just a little shorter. Then I run the guitar through all sorts of FX. Sweet. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:04:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6CA3BF35; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,120,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2807015:sNHT20192074" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C074457-BE03-49E5-AE68-C9C3CF6D036C@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:04:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Like Kevin, I had a Model B Sustainiac. It is cool, but not cool like an eBow. Since chords have a tendency to collapse to one note (and not necessarily one you would predict), practically it *is* an eBow. OK, not really, but it's less different than you'd think. Actually, for me, the Sustainiac shined at being *less* intense than an eBow -- eBows for me always sound very driven, and the Model B could be subtle. (It could also shake the hell out of the guitar, which is cool.) Now there's a Model C, and I have been tempted. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: > Not sure if anybody else had this experience, but a coupla years > ago I went out and bought a Fernandes Sustainer. I had been using > an e-bow for years and had heard wonderful stories about the > Sustainer. > > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the > faintest of feedback and it sounded lousy. > > I'm sticking to my e-bow. > > just my 2 cents. > >> At 02:40 AM 2/15/2006, David wrote: >>> There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that >>> clamps to the headstock: >>> >>> http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm >>> >>> which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar >>> (and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is the >>> 'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: >>> >>> http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm >>> >>> and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. >>> >>> The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not >>> sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. >>> >>> the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act >>> rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between >>> flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. >> >> What is the difference in the flavour of effect? >> >> Thanks, >> Kevin >> >> The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >> www.TheNettles.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:06:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4649B3BF34; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,120,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="758546302:sNHT19208348" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <0C074457-BE03-49E5-AE68-C9C3CF6D036C@charter.net> References: <0C074457-BE03-49E5-AE68-C9C3CF6D036C@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:06:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2x_LnC.A.EvC.LMK9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Ooop, sorry, David I meant, not Kevin. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Like Kevin, I had a Model B Sustainiac. It is cool, but not cool > like an eBow. Since chords have a tendency to collapse to one note > (and not necessarily one you would predict), practically it *is* an > eBow. OK, not really, but it's less different than you'd think. > Actually, for me, the Sustainiac shined at being *less* intense > than an eBow -- eBows for me always sound very driven, and the > Model B could be subtle. (It could also shake the hell out of the > guitar, which is cool.) > > Now there's a Model C, and I have been tempted. > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: > >> Not sure if anybody else had this experience, but a coupla years >> ago I went out and bought a Fernandes Sustainer. I had been using >> an e-bow for years and had heard wonderful stories about the >> Sustainer. >> >> It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly >> cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - >> certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the >> faintest of feedback and it sounded lousy. >> >> I'm sticking to my e-bow. >> >> just my 2 cents. >> >>> At 02:40 AM 2/15/2006, David wrote: >>>> There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that >>>> clamps to the headstock: >>>> >>>> http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm >>>> >>>> which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar >>>> (and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is >>>> the >>>> 'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: >>>> >>>> http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm >>>> >>>> and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. >>>> >>>> The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not >>>> sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. >>>> >>>> the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act >>>> rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between >>>> flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. >>> >>> What is the difference in the flavour of effect? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kevin >>> >>> The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >>> www.TheNettles.com >>> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:18:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 278B83BF47; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014401c63314$9b5e2a40$0200a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:18:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Bought a Sustainiac Stealth Plus retrofit kit from Maniuac Music at www.sustainiac.com a few years ago and installed it on an old super-strat type guitar I had lying about. Installation was not as easy as they made out. The mechanical fit was very tight. But the performance is excellent - strong sustain. Lots of control over the strength and harmonics. Can sound very much like natural amp feedback if you want it to. And it makes a passable high-output neck pickup as well. I now have it installed in a Roland G707. Only trouble is, PP3 batteries do not last very long. It's not like having an Ebow on each string. I have an Ebow and the techniques one uses are quite different. I look forward to looping with both when my EDP+ arrives. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "jj 179" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) > Not sure if anybody else had this experience, but a coupla years ago I > went out and bought a Fernandes Sustainer. I had been using an e-bow for > years and had heard wonderful stories about the Sustainer. > > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly cheaply > built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - certainly **not > at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the faintest of feedback and it > sounded lousy. > > I'm sticking to my e-bow. > > just my 2 cents. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFDC73BF4F; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:20:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:20:13 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the faintest > of feedback and it sounded lousy. well i love mine. having been an ebow player since they were first introduced (and still use it to this day) and also being influenced by michael brooks' "infinite guitar" work, i went looking for a sustainer guitar. i found out about the kramer, and then the fernandez. i got the elite model, so it could be a better build quality, and it was exactly what i was looking for. in fact, when i picked it up at ludlow guitars in nyc and tested it out (at very low volume) in the store, getting great smooth feedback with harmonic control, it drew a crowd. i use it all the time in my live shows, it has a great feel and a lovely floyd rose locking trem system. my 2 cents cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:43:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED8BA3BF3C; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <25406558.1140108197056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:43:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Lexicon front panel display Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang: I need to pick your mighty, collective brain. My Lexicon MPX-500's front panel display flickers, sometimes to the point of invisibility, and when it does, it also makes this disconcerting burst of white noise, a sputtering crunch not unlike a tube amp that hasn't been serviced in a long time. I have measured the wall voltage to check for fluctuations, but the voltage stays steady while my beloved box makes that dire noise and the display flickers like the lights on the Titanic,so I'm pretty sure it's not a surge/brownout issue. I'd be grateful for any ideas. Yours in SOund, Tim www.mungenast.com www.myspace/timmungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:52:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91A393BF47; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l1EY/YM0rn30GinypmseJxghJIo5rZZlmEKUJAe0aZ2cDVEmAC14zdpLFioIyJkua2TTawJXOsE4q80WWV5nQqNKTWGx0CQXrxL8whJk7Y0i1sdKM1dg4KsbT9jvRa1dvktplntmh8AlGA7Cn+CD8pxa6ApvWgy76YnnJAfUwZk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602160852j72859d70o394dfebb3da15cd0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:52:38 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <0C074457-BE03-49E5-AE68-C9C3CF6D036C@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:52:39 +0000 (UTC) T24gMi8xNi8wNiwgS2VsbHkgQ295bGUgPGtlbGx5Y295bGVAY2hhcnRlci5uZXQ+IHdyb3RlOgo+ IE9vb3AsIHNvcnJ5LCBEYXZpZCBJIG1lYW50LCBub3QgS2V2aW4uCgpNaW5lJ3MgYSBNb2RlbCBD LiBUaGUgbGluayBJIGdhdmUgaGFzICdtb2RlbC1iJyBpbiB0aGUgVVJMIGJ1dCBpZiB5b3UKZm9s bG93IGl0IHRoZSBwYWdlIHRhbGtzIGFib3V0IHRoZSBNb2RlbCBDhW11c3QgYmUgc29tZSB3ZWIg ZGVzaWduCnZvb2RvbyBvciBzb21ldGhpbmcuCgpJJ20gdmVyeSBoYXBweSB3aXRoIGl0LiBJIGhh dmUgYW4gZUJvdyB0b28gYnV0IHRoZXkncmUgY29tcGxldGVseQpkaWZmZXJlbnQgaW4gdXNlIGFu ZCBzb3VuZC4KClRoZSBNb2RlbCBDIFN1c3RhaW5pYWMgZXZlbiB3b3JrcyAtIGFmdGVyIGEgZmFz aGlvbiAtIG9uIG15IG55bG9uCnN0cnVuZyBHb2RpbiBmcmV0bGVzcy4K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 16:56:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DBAF3BF45; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015701c63319$99f00200$0200a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <25406558.1140108197056.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Lexicon front panel display Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:54:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Bad solder joint. Backlights for displays often have a little circuit to generate high voltage for them. This circuit cutting in and out could certainly put noise onto the audio signal path. Alternatively the fault could be in the power supply. Either way, take it to a good tech. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:43 PM Subject: OT: Lexicon front panel display > Hi Gang: > I need to pick your mighty, collective brain. > > My Lexicon MPX-500's front panel display flickers, sometimes to the point > of invisibility, and when it does, it also makes this disconcerting burst > of white noise, a sputtering crunch not unlike a tube amp that hasn't been > serviced in a long time. > > I have measured the wall voltage to check for fluctuations, but the > voltage stays steady while my beloved box makes that dire noise and the > display flickers like the lights on the Titanic,so I'm pretty sure it's > not a surge/brownout issue. > > I'd be grateful for any ideas. > > Yours in SOund, > Tim > www.mungenast.com > www.myspace/timmungenast > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 17:06:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4FD93BF58; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F4B123.3040301@sarth.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:06:43 -0500 From: Sarth User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam - LBC at parkside lounge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey all you loopers, just a quick note about my group, Lucibel Crater, performing in New York this Sunday (featuring mad live looping in kyma, as well as found-object electric drums, a singing cellist, and intelect-defeating jazz guitar musings, over an IDM/Downtempo flavor) Lucibel Crater this Sunday, February 19th two sets, at 9:15 and10:30 pm, at the Park Side Lounge 317 East Houston Street, btwn B & C http://www.parksidelounge.com/ the nearest train being the F at second avenue Although it is on a Sunday, the following day IS a National Holiday, after all, so for many it could be considered a second-Saturday ... Much Love, -- Luci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:23:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B03C3BF40; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:23:19 +0000 Message-Id: <021620061823.29304.43F4C317000B631A00007278219791336303010CD20D0D9B0809079C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jan 30 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29304_1140114199_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:23:22 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29304_1140114199_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think I've posted on here about this before, but I will again anyway...I built a device a while back that is a lot like the Sustainiac model with the acoustic transducer: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/feedbackgen/feedbackgen.html I was experimenting with this again a few months ago and got really fine control of the feedback harmonics by delaying the signal going to the transducer. I hacked up a Dano flanger pedal so it would just output delayed signal, and so that the delay time was controlled with a knob and didn't oscillate via an LFO. It's probably possible to do this with the Sustainiac by splicing a delay into the signal chain somewhere. My intention was to have the delay time controlled with a pedal so you could adjust it while playing. Listen to the mp3 to hear how you can jump between harmonics using a setup like this. Has anyone here ever tried an old Roland GR-500 guitar synth? I've never seen or played one in person, but I've read that it had some kind of sustainer built in...it might have even been polyphonic. I would like to know more about this thing if anyone knows. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net -------------- Original message from David Morton : -------------- > On 2/16/06, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Ooop, sorry, David I meant, not Kevin. > > Mine's a Model C. The link I gave has 'model-b' in the URL but if you > follow it the page talks about the Model C…must be some web design > voodoo or something. > > I'm very happy with it. I have an eBow too but they're completely > different in use and sound. > > The Model C Sustainiac even works - after a fashion - on my nylon > strung Godin fretless. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29304_1140114199_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I think I've posted on here about this before, but I will again anyway...I built a device a while back that is a lot like the Sustainiac model with the acoustic transducer:

 

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/feedbackgen/feedbackgen.html

 

I was experimenting with this again a few months ago and got really fine control of the feedback harmonics by delaying the signal going to the transducer. I hacked up a Dano flanger pedal so it would just output delayed signal, and so that the delay time was controlled with a knob and didn't oscillate via an LFO. It's probably possible to do this with the Sustainiac by splicing a delay into the signal chain somewhere. My intention was to have the delay time controlled with a pedal so you could adjust it while playing. Listen to the mp3 to hear how you can jump between harmonics using a setup like this.

 

Has anyone here ever tried an old Roland GR-500 guitar synth? I've never seen or played one in person, but I've read that it had some kind of sustainer built in...it might have even been polyphonic. I would like to know more about this thing if anyone knows.

 

Mark Smart

http://www.marksmart.net

-------------- Original message from David Morton <dmorton@gmail.com>: --------------


> On 2/16/06, Kelly Coyle wrote:
> > Ooop, sorry, David I meant, not Kevin.
>
> Mine's a Model C. The link I gave has 'model-b' in the URL but if you
> follow it the page talks about the Model C…must be some web design
> voodoo or something.
>
> I'm very happy with it. I have an eBow too but they're completely
> different in use and sound.
>
> The Model C Sustainiac even works - after a fashion - on my nylon
> strung Godin fretless.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29304_1140114199_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:29:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 299503BF56; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:30:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <014401c63314$9b5e2a40$0200a8c0@STUDY> References: <014401c63314$9b5e2a40$0200a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:29:11 +0000 (UTC) For those who are interested, there is a monster thread on the Project Guitar forum on methods of making your own DIY sustainer. Start on about page 45 (!) of the thread if you want to cut to the chase: http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=7512 There is a distillation of that thread here: http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/index.php?showtopic=16984 including basic description of how to make a working sustainer. If you know which end of a soldering iron to hold, it looks like one should be able to knock up a working sustainer in an afternoon. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC863BF61; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <021620061823.29304.43F4C317000B631A00007278219791336303010CD20D0D9B080907 9C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> References: <021620061823.29304.43F4C317000B631A00007278219791336303010CD20D0D9B080907 9C0207BF9B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:37:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:37:15 +0000 (UTC) At 6:23 PM +0000 2/16/06, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > >I was experimenting with this again a few months ago and got really >fine control of the feedback harmonics by delaying the signal going >to the transducer. I hacked up a Dano flanger pedal so it would just >output delayed signal, and so that the delay time was controlled >with a knob and didn't oscillate via an LFO. It's probably possible >to do this with the Sustainiac by splicing a delay into the signal >chain somewhere. My intention was to have the delay time controlled >with a pedal so you could adjust it while playing. Mark, There's an "effects loop" in the Sustainiac Model C for just exactly this sort of thing. The loop only affects the signal fed back into your instrument, so you can put in filters (Maniac Music mentions that a wah pedal works well) or delays in order to better control/manipulate the resonant frequency of the feedback. Actually a rather nice little bit of kit. I've got one I use on my Chapman Stick (some weird caveats there) and really like it. --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D21D3BF66; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:28 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.27.95 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060216183924.B73E625334E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) That's how the fundamental/harmonics cointrol works on the Sustainic Stealth, the Fernandez Sustainer and the Ebow+. Adjust the delay adjusts the pahse relationship between the pickup and the driver, which excites different nodes on the string(s). Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: 16/02/06 18:23 I think I've posted on here about this before, but I will again anyway...I built a device a while back that is a lot like the Sustainiac model with the acoustic transducer: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/feedbackgen/feedbackgen.html I was experimenting with this again a few months ago and got really fine control of the feedback harmonics by delaying the signal going to the transducer. I hacked up a Dano flanger pedal so it would just output delayed signal, and so that the delay time was controlled with a knob and didn't oscillate via an LFO. It's probably possible to do this with the Sustainiac by splicing a delay into the signal chain somewhere. My intention was to have the delay time controlled with a pedal so you could adjust it while playing. Listen to the mp3 to hear how you can jump between harmonics using a setup like this. Has anyone here ever tried an old Roland GR-500 guitar synth? I've never seen or played one in person, but I've read that it had some kind of sustainer built in...it might have even been polyphonic. I would like to know more about this thing if anyone knows. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net -------------- Original message from David Morton : -------------- > On 2/16/06, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Ooop, sorry, David I meant, not Kevin. > > Mine's a Model C. The link I gave has 'model-b' in the URL but if you > follow it the page talks about the Model C…must be some web design > voodoo or something. > > I'm very happy with it. I have an eBow too but they're completely > different in use and sound. > > The Model C Sustainiac even works - after a fashion - on my nylon > strung Godin fretless. ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 18:39:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10DB3BF6D; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bKDeOxI/ycHlYBB34ItQOXgucyrHNJDBKv3GnRJPlRo3+od1teIvfx5KsOw3o2kVNkP1mNPdqAD3Y5wrJjb4kkXDcVP48DKzOQjuFOybkXc7mLae65z+5ceoQV46Le7LPiei6UCNAWNxSRYu/L3pf6vdSTgweSpeoL8e2k+vTSI= Message-ID: <64b81a780602161039v6953c059n50008e72219111e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:39:39 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Craft String Gauges In-Reply-To: <20060216160156.1623.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060216114112.48DF93BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060216160156.1623.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2STNZB.A.pnG.tbM9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) I'm guessing these are gauges recommended for an accoustic. I imagine you could get away with lighter gauges on an electric. I'd guess .008 or .009 for the first string, .010 or .011 for the second, etc. Todd On 2/16/06, S V G wrote: > > While regular strings will work, they are not optimal. The standard= NST gauges are: > > .059 .047 .032 .021 .013 .011 > > I prefer a .020 instead of the .021 or .022 that some people gravita= te toward. A .020 will > break more easily at the tuning machine. I found that supergluing a smal= l piece of folded up > paper to the tuning head where the string enters, helps immensely with th= e string breakage > problem. It also helps to have a guitar tech setup your guitar for optim= al nut sizing and bridge > adjustment. Since the lowest string is so thick, I had my tech add a lit= tle bit of graphite epoxy > to the nut to shorten the active length of the string and thus bring the = lowest fretted notes into > better intonation. Kinda what Buzz Feiten does but without all the obfus= cation. :) > > For some reason, D'Addario strings sound better to my ear than any o= f the others, by a long > shot. They seem to last much longer too. > > I no longer play any of the Crafty repertoire, though since the lowe= st 4 strings are the same > as Cello tuning, I play mostly the Bach Cello Suites on my Ovation. Stri= ng length is almost the > same as the Cello as well, just a little shorter. Then I run the guitar = through all sorts of FX. > Sweet. > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 19:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40C513BEDD; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=W7/vCoACU1/3sTT6EB41YR7WwTkv3+VIfiDVDsWAJKa6Y/YP9fQLR2Yay+KUAj064oUBbJHU1MvmI7vEIuiCl7/iS5xIMS2/SVQ88bjB26V6M2KdeBcO1lUKcvX8j6TzyPY3KEHMg9mGqrMGo+ao7Veazima9XRr9ZIZ0takUd0= ; Message-ID: <20060216192736.13669.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215084516.02849d40@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:27:37 +0000 (UTC) The sustainiac does have a special pickup that mounts in the neck position, however, it does operate as a regular pick up too. Actually, I kind of dig it's tone. --- a k butler wrote: > Infinite guitar sustain > > > From what he's said, there are some electronics > that do the same > > job as standing in front of a very loud amp and > controlling the > > feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that produces > infinite sustain, > > as opposed to alternating magnets vibrating the > strings, which is I > > think other devices get huge sustain. > > I think I saw a description once. > One of the guitar pickups is run "in reverse". > i.e. the amplified guitar signal is sent to the > pick-up, which > vibrates the string. > > I don't know if you need a special pickup for this, > but certainly > some regular pickups would burn out rather quickly. > > If that's right, it would be a fixed position ebow. > > > andy butler > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 21:21:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C633BF06; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:21:12 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4D355566-0BA2-481B-9EC5-50700DE61895@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYyeqOs4Yu63dt8QQyh8KBe46H2mgAwUVBA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:21:18 +0000 (UTC) > > use at least a few of the banks of my FCB1010 for this, and > as I'm not > > familiar with the EDP philsophy, I have no idea what the > best possible > > distribution of the functions over the buttons may be. > > That may have to do with your looping, rather than with the > EDP ;-) What functions and in what order you tend to use them > etc. etc. The EDP (Mobius) has a lot of functions which none of the loopers I've worked with has, or has under another name, or it has functions of the same name that do something else (ex: multiply compared to Repeater). > My fav Mobius functions for a major FCB bank are: > Record, Overdub (Toggle), Multiply, Undo, Next Loop, Speed, > Substitute INsert, Sus Overdub, Reverse, Re-align. I'm fairly sure that I will need Record, Overdub (Toggle), Speed, Reverse, Retrigger and Mute, simply because these are the functions I have on the DL4 (in a way). Don't you use the different tracks, or do you keep track changing to another bank? Btw, I got a fairly old FCB (means old firmware). I assume I can't use SUS functions with that one anyway, no? (I distinctly remember the discussion here regarding the firmware upgrade, and I guess the reason why people did this was so they could use it with the EDP). So I won't be using SUS functions (for now) Ok, anyone preferrably from Germany can tell me what to expect to pay to get such a (programmed) eeprom from a store or anyone who could send me one and tell me what he'd want for it? btw Per, I wrote to you off-list about this topic and didn't get an answer. Did this email get lost (actually two of them from different sources), or don't you reply to private emails from people you don't know? ;) Thanks for your help, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 16 23:33:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CBA43BEDD; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:33:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:33:27 +0000 (UTC) On 16 feb 2006, at 22.21, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Don't you use the different tracks, or do you keep track > changing to another bank? I'm changing track by a hand controller (Faderfox). Suits me better. > Btw, I got a fairly old FCB (means old firmware). I assume I can't > use SUS > functions with that one anyway, no? I think mine is quite old to and when using MIDI note numbers I can definitely target SUS Overdub on both EDP and Mobius. I think it's "note" on and "note off" for that SUS functionality. > btw Per, I wrote to you off-list about this topic and didn't get an > answer. > Did this email get lost (actually two of them from different > sources), or > don't you reply to private emails from people you don't know? ;) Knowing you from Looopers Delight and our earlier private email conversations is enough for answering - if I only get the mail ;-) If you mail me privately, please don't use a subject line already used on the list (I have no chance to read all list mail so I delete bunches en masse from the subject lines. But all mails that goes sorted into my inbox (i.e. not coming from lists) is read carefully. I also have an online spam service that cuts out some two hundred spam mails every day, but I guess you have to really be a bad boy to make it into their data base ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 00:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB9E3BEE4; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:59 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Let us loop the praises of Sunao Inami! To: Message-id: <000401c6335b$f11d2f20$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051228231717.8BF273BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> <014901c60c85$5b1dc860$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:41:44 +0000 (UTC) I have today received my batch of Loopers-Delight Volume III. Wow! I'm humbled by the other great artists on this CD. And I'm most grateful to Sunao for his dedication and organization that made this fine CD possible. What a fine CD! Fellow Volume III participants, please know I will be sending copies of this fine CD to a number of Boston-area college radio stations with radio shows that air these kinds of music. !****************************************! OFF-LIST, please contact me if you would like the names and addresses of these stations - so you can also directly send more of your music. Reciprocally, please can you send me the contact details of radio stations near to you that you know also play the kinds of music heard on the Loopers-Delight CD !****************************************! David Kirkdorffer Boston, MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Let us loop the praises of Sunao Inami! > Hi LD, > > Thank you for your great comments, Douglas.. > > I thought the problem is my poor English, I am afraid of > communication(Crossing, a misapprehension etc). > but all schedule and planning are done very smooth and on time,I am > very happy... > and I enjoyed sound mastering and cover design. > The only difficulty was shipp 16 parcels to all over sea > contributors. I shipped over 600 CDs total.. > > anyway, thank you again Looper's Delight and LD CD Vol.3 contributors! > > p.s. > the CD details is below > http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/ > > happy new year > > Sunao > http://www.cavestudio.com > http://electr-ohm.com > > At 9:36 AM -0500 05.12.29, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > >I received my package of CDs from Sunao yesterday. Stunning! On Many Levels! > > > >1) Beautiful presentation. Images and quality of printing are excellent. > >2) Excellent sequencing and mastering of the audio. No jarring leaps in > >level or tone. I've only listened in snippets, but I look forward to > >slipping it in my CD player and zoning out from beginning to end very soon. > >3) A wonderful business/marketing experience. Everything was done on time, > >Sunao obviously did not make a penny on our costs, and I now have thirty CDs > >to use for promotion of my music, and the music of my fellow loopers. > >4) A renewed sense of community. The names that appear on my computer screen > >are now linked with music. > >5) A kick in my own personal keester. I will now begin to book the looping > >gigs I've been threatening to do for lo these many years, partly because I > >have a(nother) product (besides my own CD and the performance itself) to > >promote. > > > >Sunao Inami is a powerful person, and I am honored to be in his circle. > > > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large (The Coyote Loops!) > >coyotelk@optonline.net > > > >"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > >hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's > >also a negative side." > >--- Hunter S. Thompson > > > >"...and then there is Sunao and the looping community, who offer a better > >way, and live it." > >--- dB > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 00:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790453BEF5; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6qqtwjSPqFnU2b5a+/ZmWhibarL9CrYXX+ZswcYqgapIx5CH3ai1w1DwEhjTPSPFOLJRbOhL4Z0J8MQZt+TBm/DdLsGOCNBomtfUWWlp6HTd98RRICW0o38RIygCFOr/LKmk05pS1juTxtO+LVehfzjO3Je30tlxQI0hFOfLNIU= ; Message-ID: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060216192736.13669.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) also beware that they are quick battery suckers and once it has drained your guitar will be dead! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > The sustainiac does have a special pickup that > mounts > in the neck position, however, it does operate as a > regular pick up too. Actually, I kind of dig it's > tone. > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > Infinite guitar sustain > > > > > From what he's said, there are some electronics > > that do the same > > > job as standing in front of a very loud amp and > > controlling the > > > feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that produces > > infinite sustain, > > > as opposed to alternating magnets vibrating the > > strings, which is I > > > think other devices get huge sustain. > > > > I think I saw a description once. > > One of the guitar pickups is run "in reverse". > > i.e. the amplified guitar signal is sent to the > > pick-up, which > > vibrates the string. > > > > I don't know if you need a special pickup for > this, > > but certainly > > some regular pickups would burn out rather > quickly. > > > > If that's right, it would be a fixed position > ebow. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 01:02:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8C23BEF5; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c1RDuoUhvlUzrA0dBuCaC5GTfuUZA76lj00ckaI/SSSZLpG6brRSWwBadlJFPo5qyBTWvU1eini4oAvA9r9lnAbA0R5ECZhui8Qg7OpAY4RB0kFWMu/pPr6wO507cKCuhhPiZ34zhKZD6bhF+1a5a7JZtp1aBg1dB35bGJpjIZA= ; Message-ID: <20060217010148.44445.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:01:48 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:02:07 +0000 (UTC) I don't like to think of it as dead, I like to think of it as the robot in Lost in Space when Dr. Smith pulls his power pack out.... but seriously, the guy who did my installation (http://www.brawer.com) in my Steinberger did a great job where he installed an additional battery so now I use 2 nine volts and if the Sustainiac dies I still have main power. Of course when that dies it's over. Mark --- Luis Angulo wrote: > also beware that they are quick battery suckers and > once it has drained your guitar will be dead! > Luis > > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > The sustainiac does have a special pickup that > > mounts > > in the neck position, however, it does operate as > a > > regular pick up too. Actually, I kind of dig it's > > tone. > > > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > > > Infinite guitar sustain > > > > > > > From what he's said, there are some > electronics > > > that do the same > > > > job as standing in front of a very loud amp > and > > > controlling the > > > > feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that > produces > > > infinite sustain, > > > > as opposed to alternating magnets vibrating > the > > > strings, which is I > > > > think other devices get huge sustain. > > > > > > I think I saw a description once. > > > One of the guitar pickups is run "in reverse". > > > i.e. the amplified guitar signal is sent to the > > > pick-up, which > > > vibrates the string. > > > > > > I don't know if you need a special pickup for > > this, > > > but certainly > > > some regular pickups would burn out rather > > quickly. > > > > > > If that's right, it would be a fixed position > > ebow. > > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 01:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B33E3BF04; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Jg9d+25SeHS/ZqtwruAV9PHT57OcEpHVcGmHALH8cafkDs3vwGdHzSgSb+rf+LuL6k4FBUVFgOBywEua7ClyA17w99bzO1sbtRUnG5cdKnjzPT7GNvC2KaWOWs6Wf2V8tSSpnd6Fm4EpVNK+s+Lh+Q1jQi9JiaO868M7CkcFctA= ; Message-ID: <20060217010900.49431.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:09:02 +0000 (UTC) I have the Native Pro and they are not being built in korea anymore but guess where...?? i do like the feel and look of the vintage native pro,but it has tuning problems and be aware that the sustainer mounted on this guitars (Fsk101) is different than the the deluxe kit (fsk401)which means they dont sustain as well.But Axel Rudich who is working on mine said is a matter of adjusting it,we will see... Luis --- bruce tovsky wrote: > > On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: > > > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar > itself was incredibly > > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very > effectively at all - > > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could > only get the faintest > > of feedback and it sounded lousy. > > well i love mine. having been an ebow player since > they were first > introduced > (and still use it to this day) and also being > influenced by michael > brooks' > "infinite guitar" work, i went looking for a > sustainer guitar. i found > out about the > kramer, and then the fernandez. i got the elite > model, so it could be a > better > build quality, and it was exactly what i was looking > for. in fact, when > i picked > it up at ludlow guitars in nyc and tested it out (at > very low volume) > in the store, > getting great smooth feedback with harmonic control, > it drew a crowd. i > use it > all the time in my live shows, it has a great feel > and a lovely floyd > rose locking > trem system. > my 2 cents > cheers > bruce > > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the > ground and miss." > Douglas Adams > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 01:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2BA33BF07; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c63360$02d57b60$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060217010900.49431.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:18:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:18:12 +0000 (UTC) I had a Fernandes a few years back (can't remember the model-it looked kind of like a black Strat) and it was an excellent guitar. I'm sorry I sold it. I recently purchased a Monterey Pro for $300.00. I was really disappointed with it in terms of quality. It looked CHEAP. It was made in China. I sold it a week later. I guess you get what you pay for. On a positive note, it played ok and the Sustainer was appreciated. But, it looked so damn cheap. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) >I have the Native Pro and they are not being built in > korea anymore but guess where...?? > i do like the feel and look of the vintage native > pro,but it has tuning problems and be aware that the > sustainer mounted on this guitars (Fsk101) is > different than the the deluxe kit (fsk401)which means > they dont sustain as well.But Axel Rudich who is > working on mine said is a matter of adjusting it,we > will see... > Luis > > --- bruce tovsky wrote: > >> >> On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: >> >> > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar >> itself was incredibly >> > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very >> effectively at all - >> > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could >> only get the faintest >> > of feedback and it sounded lousy. >> >> well i love mine. having been an ebow player since >> they were first >> introduced >> (and still use it to this day) and also being >> influenced by michael >> brooks' >> "infinite guitar" work, i went looking for a >> sustainer guitar. i found >> out about the >> kramer, and then the fernandez. i got the elite >> model, so it could be a >> better >> build quality, and it was exactly what i was looking >> for. in fact, when >> i picked >> it up at ludlow guitars in nyc and tested it out (at >> very low volume) >> in the store, >> getting great smooth feedback with harmonic control, >> it drew a crowd. i >> use it >> all the time in my live shows, it has a great feel >> and a lovely floyd >> rose locking >> trem system. >> my 2 cents >> cheers >> bruce >> >> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the >> ground and miss." >> Douglas Adams >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 01:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760FA3BF15; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cIDMF/gTAWAAS2iVy8tfD/oHPkpB1gXr70yv1LXNgfLjhfC+IqGiiAI/T4I91AFcQFuec3W14eHTQFO2cTZqsVuzJp3D2Nkt5Jwqh5kV8PZ3y6EbfwfuGdT+Ljvu+N690iEGTBcQeUQc9qarHIpmesTIlrInyRo08H+MQZc8oUk= ; Message-ID: <20060217011842.53189.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060217010148.44445.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:18:45 +0000 (UTC) I adressed my concern regarding this to Axel and he is puting a switch in the back of my guitar which bypasses all active electronics,he also gave me the option of powering the sustainer through a custom external 9v compartment powered by an adaptor and feed the sustainer through the cable,we will see... Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I don't like to think of it as dead, I like to think > of it as the robot in Lost in Space when Dr. Smith > pulls his power pack out.... > > but seriously, the guy who did my installation > (http://www.brawer.com) in my Steinberger did a > great > job where he installed an additional battery so now > I > use 2 nine volts and if the Sustainiac dies I still > have main power. Of course when that dies it's > over. > > Mark > > --- Luis Angulo wrote: > > > also beware that they are quick battery suckers > and > > once it has drained your guitar will be dead! > > Luis > > > > --- mark sottilaro > > wrote: > > > > > The sustainiac does have a special pickup that > > > mounts > > > in the neck position, however, it does operate > as > > a > > > regular pick up too. Actually, I kind of dig > it's > > > tone. > > > > > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > > > > > Infinite guitar sustain > > > > > > > > > From what he's said, there are some > > electronics > > > > that do the same > > > > > job as standing in front of a very loud amp > > and > > > > controlling the > > > > > feedback (like Fripp on "Heroes") that > > produces > > > > infinite sustain, > > > > > as opposed to alternating magnets vibrating > > the > > > > strings, which is I > > > > > think other devices get huge sustain. > > > > > > > > I think I saw a description once. > > > > One of the guitar pickups is run "in reverse". > > > > i.e. the amplified guitar signal is sent to > the > > > > pick-up, which > > > > vibrates the string. > > > > > > > > I don't know if you need a special pickup for > > > this, > > > > but certainly > > > > some regular pickups would burn out rather > > > quickly. > > > > > > > > If that's right, it would be a fixed position > > > ebow. > > > > > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 01:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2D73BF18; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F52671.3070109@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:27:13 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) References: <20060217010900.49431.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> <003901c63360$02d57b60$68a6eb44@BlackDell> In-Reply-To: <003901c63360$02d57b60$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) That Fernandes was probably the Retrorocket. I own a Retrorocket Pro, and it is a very nice guitar (especially for the price!). Better construction and finishing than a lot of "mainstream" guitars that I see at Wal Mart..er.. I mean Guitar Center these days. The Sustainer in my Retrorocket Pro works perfectly. It's very easy to control and really does create some sort of an evolved instrument that's unlike anything else I've played. Used sparingly, I love it. The switching on it is very comfortable too - toggle for on/off, and the harmonic mode is set with the push/push pot that doubles as a tone control. I expected to have trouble with that push/push pot, but it's working just fine after 3+ years of playing. That's my $0.02. I think the higher end Fernandes' (Pros and Elites) are worth looking at if you're looking into "infinite guitar" Dig Paul wrote: > I had a Fernandes a few years back (can't remember the model-it looked > kind of like a black Strat) and it was an excellent guitar. I'm sorry > I sold it. I recently purchased a Monterey Pro for $300.00. I was > really disappointed with it in terms of quality. It looked CHEAP. It > was made in China. I sold it a week later. I guess you get what you > pay for. On a positive note, it played ok and the Sustainer was > appreciated. But, it looked so damn cheap. > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) > > >> I have the Native Pro and they are not being built in >> korea anymore but guess where...?? >> i do like the feel and look of the vintage native >> pro,but it has tuning problems and be aware that the >> sustainer mounted on this guitars (Fsk101) is >> different than the the deluxe kit (fsk401)which means >> they dont sustain as well.But Axel Rudich who is >> working on mine said is a matter of adjusting it,we >> will see... >> Luis >> >> --- bruce tovsky wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: >>> >>> > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar >>> itself was incredibly >>> > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very >>> effectively at all - >>> > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could >>> only get the faintest >>> > of feedback and it sounded lousy. >>> >>> well i love mine. having been an ebow player since >>> they were first >>> introduced >>> (and still use it to this day) and also being >>> influenced by michael >>> brooks' >>> "infinite guitar" work, i went looking for a >>> sustainer guitar. i found >>> out about the >>> kramer, and then the fernandez. i got the elite >>> model, so it could be a >>> better >>> build quality, and it was exactly what i was looking >>> for. in fact, when >>> i picked >>> it up at ludlow guitars in nyc and tested it out (at >>> very low volume) >>> in the store, >>> getting great smooth feedback with harmonic control, >>> it drew a crowd. i >>> use it >>> all the time in my live shows, it has a great feel >>> and a lovely floyd >>> rose locking >>> trem system. >>> my 2 cents >>> cheers >>> bruce >>> >>> >>> bruce tovsky >>> www.skeletonhome.com >>> >>> "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the >>> ground and miss." >>> Douglas Adams >>> >>> >> >> >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 01:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13F13BEF3; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:58:03 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The Dark Age In-Reply-To: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: References: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:52:41 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, joe rut wrote: > Indeed! My favorite gigs of the last few years have all been house parties and warehouse shows put on by people creating alternatives to the "club scene". > For those of you who have never put on a house concert, you'd be surprised how little it takes and how fun it is. And since there is no "club overhead" to > feed, %100 of the door goes to the musicians, who usually end up with more $ than your average club gig. The audience usually has a more rewarding > experience because they are there specifically to hear music, so you have already filtered out most of the "I wanna go to the bar to drink and talk" crowd > that can be at odds with the "I wanna listen to music crowd". > > The usual standard around here is $5 to $10 sliding scale with noone turned away for lack of funds, BYOB, and the house provides a bowl of chili or > something. Sometimes at larger warehouse shows the house will sell beer/wine at very cheap rates (eg, $2 a beer). > > Anyway, there are alternatives out there. > > Joe Rut Absolutely there are alternatives. I've started hosting house concerts in my area because performers who want to play in the area started contacting me asking for help setting up shows in the area, and sometimes there's not a space available when they're coming through. I have a big house, which helps. Anyone coming through the Raleigh end of North Carolina, drop me an email. http://www.badgerhaus.com/ regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 03:20:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98733BEDE; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,121,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2139476623:sNHT26868228" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-777975148 Message-Id: <2cdd31534a5e4e54642905e913a3ed32@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sustainiacs and Ebows (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:20:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:20:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-777975148 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed My 3 cents, I have owned my Sustainiac Model B since the mid 80s. I bought a Model C (which is just the newer fancier version of the same thing) just a =20 couple of years ago -- mostly to use as a spare. The B is built like a tank, but it has =20= had to go to the repair shop a time or two in the 20+ years I've owned it when =20 the internal power supply fries (which it does about every 8-10 years). I love both =20= though and use 'em both in the two separate rigs I've put together. BTW, I've also used an eBow since I bought my first chrome one from Heet Sound in L.A. in 1980. Ebows and Sustainers are totally different sorts =20= of animals really. There is a little crossover in how you might use them. But, you =20= get a more accurate mental picture of what they really are good for if you =20 simply think of the Ebow as a BOW -- actually vibrating and driving a string -- and =20= think of the sustainer (at least the acoustic transducer types) as standing up close =20= and in front of an amp turned on full getting runaway FEEDBACK. The two are =20 very different things and have very distinct and different musical uses. I use both all of the time. If you're looking to get those lovely, =20 flutey, cello-like sounds (a la Phil Keaggy) out of a sustainiac you'll likely be =20 disappointed. An if you want to sound like the king-of feedback (whoever) an Ebow will =20 similarly be of little use. Get the right device for what you want to accomplish. I have a lot less experience with the "stealth" type sustainers. I sat =20= and played one in the Sustainiac booth at NAMM two years ago for a good 45 minutes or so (and gave inventor Alan Hoover a chance to go grab some lunch). =20= But I really much prefer his original invention. The stealth models seemed =20= like something that was not quite an Ebow nor a feedback creator -- something in between, and not quite satisfactory at either one. I just never =20 warmed up to it. Plus, I like the idea of a device that is useable with any guitar and I =20= am rather fond of my Seymour Duncan pickups just the way they are. I've owned 3 Ebows in 26 years, a chrome one, a black one and a grey =20 one. My chrome one died about 5 years ago (to give you an idea of how long those things can last). It broke because it got knocked off the top of =20= my speaker stack just once too often onto a concrete garage floor. Once broken they can't be repaired -- they're filled and sealed with epoxy. I sometimes use the 2 Ebows together to generate 2 bowed notes at a time. One is usually just a drone, but if you are careful (and keep it =20= simple) you can play 2 semi-independent lines on 2 strings with 2 Ebows at the same time. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: > Not sure if anybody else had this experience, but a coupla years ago I = =20 > went out and bought a Fernandes Sustainer. I had been using an e-bow =20= > for years and had heard wonderful stories about the Sustainer. > > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly =20 > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - =20 > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the faintest =20= > of feedback and it sounded lousy. > > I'm sticking to my e-bow. > > just my 2 cents. > >> At 02:40 AM 2/15/2006, David wrote: >>> There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that >>> clamps to the headstock: >>> >>> http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm >>> >>> which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar >>> (and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is the >>> 'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: >>> >>> http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm >>> >>> and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. >>> >>> The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not >>> sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. >>> >>> the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act >>> rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between >>> flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. >> >> What is the difference in the flavour of effect? >> >> Thanks, >> Kevin >> >> The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >> www.TheNettles.com >> > --Apple-Mail-1-777975148 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 My 3 cents, I have owned my Sustainiac Model B since the mid 80s. I bought a Model C=20 (which is just the newer fancier version of the same thing) just a couple of years ago -- mostly to use as a spare. The B is built like a tank, but it has had to go=20 to the repair shop a time or two in the 20+ years I've owned it when the internal=20 power supply fries (which it does about every 8-10 years). I love both though and use 'em both in the two separate rigs I've put together. BTW, I've also used an eBow since I bought my first chrome one from Heet=20 Sound in L.A. in 1980. Ebows and Sustainers are totally different sorts of animals really. There is a little crossover in how you might use them. But, you get a=20 more accurate mental picture of what they really are good for if you simply think of the Ebow as a BOW -- actually vibrating and driving a string -- and think of the sustainer (at least the acoustic transducer types) as standing up close and in=20 front of an amp turned on full getting runaway FEEDBACK. The two are very=20 different things and have very distinct and different musical uses. I use both all of the time. If you're looking to get those lovely, flutey, cello-like sounds (a la Phil Keaggy) out of a sustainiac you'll likely be disappointed. An if you want to sound like the king-of feedback (whoever) an Ebow will similarly=20 be of little use. Get the right device for what you want to accomplish. I have a lot less experience with the "stealth" type sustainers. I sat and played one in the Sustainiac booth at NAMM two years ago for a good 45 minutes=20 or so (and gave inventor Alan Hoover a chance to go grab some lunch). But I really much prefer his original invention. The stealth models seemed like something that was not quite an Ebow nor a feedback creator -- something=20 in between, and not quite satisfactory at either one. I just never warmed up to it. Plus, I like the idea of a device that is useable with any guitar and I am rather fond of my Seymour Duncan pickups just the way they are. I've owned 3 Ebows in 26 years, a chrome one, a black one and a grey one. My chrome one died about 5 years ago (to give you an idea of how long=20 those things can last). It broke because it got knocked off the top of my=20 speaker stack just once too often onto a concrete garage floor. Once=20 broken they can't be repaired -- they're filled and sealed with epoxy.=20= I sometimes use the 2 Ebows together to generate 2 bowed notes at a time. One is usually just a drone, but if you are careful (and keep it simple) you can play 2 semi-independent lines on 2 strings with 2 Ebows at the same time. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: Not sure if anybody else had this experience, but a coupla years ago I went out and bought a Fernandes Sustainer. I had been using an e-bow for years and had heard wonderful stories about the Sustainer. It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar itself was incredibly cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very effectively at all - certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could only get the faintest of feedback and it sounded lousy. I'm sticking to my e-bow. just my 2 cents. At 02:40 AM 2/15/2006, David wrote: There are two types of Sustainiac. The Electro-acoustic one that clamps to the headstock: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm which is the one I use and which can be moved from guitar to guitar (and even works on electro-acoustics) and the 'Stealth' which is the 'Guitar Pickup Working Backwards' variety: http://www.sustainiac.com/stealth.htm and which comes in Fender and Gibson versions. The Fernandes Sustainer is a version of the latter, though I'm not sure exactly when or how the development 'forked'. the electro-acoustic and electro-magnetic versions sound and act rather differently, so it's not a simple matter to choose between flavour of effect and convenience & tidiness of installation. What is the difference in the flavour of effect? Thanks, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com = --Apple-Mail-1-777975148-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 06:05:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AB7D3BEE0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kyYT2I2QlZIgiZVUxEK75fRBhzYQ1jWP3tWZ62+dms6/QylBxZIWgQ9XYKuW7IY+IpI14SJaoMuIdAWuBusf59rK3JUKB9NvwLDWRmMkLSxBtJomlMNDvnPxdOaH73OPpnr2CIoGFn44dEfxK4hyc9erxN1guy2xUL+iW0LPC4s= ; Message-ID: <20060217060518.87707.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Guitar Craft String Gauges To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060217011813.4157D3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5dGHRC.A.fvE.feW9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Todd, Sorry about not being clear, yes I was talking about string gauges for the acoustic guitar, specifically the Crafty style Ovation model 1867. Robert Fripp uses the following gauges for NST on his electric: .052 .038 .024 .016 .012 .010 ...while other people suggest this set of gauges for electric: .052 .042 .030 .017 .010 .009 These gauges are accurate as of 1999 or 2000. I don't know if any of that has changed. Stephen I'm guessing these are gauges recommended for an accoustic. I imagine you could get away with lighter gauges on an electric. I'd guess .008 or .009 for the first string, .010 or .011 for the second, etc. Todd On 2/16/06, S V G wrote: > > While regular strings will work, they are not optimal. The standard NST gauges are: > > .059 .047 .032 .021 .013 .011 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 07:23:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884B13BED8; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=R7Ui6EzJe1gTgfHzq1UhLva6LuEjTmju/9xzW3KTDF9T35y014Gbx80ngtvXTvPQFWhDMcq6dXFKAsMFx5/TwcLxrr5r8tRF3HVMR03VSwEbC1Djr6blAAW9l202FWjPZIvrq4JZYIyG89pNVO18+5Fan5VJ9LfAVa3RZ9l04Qs= ; Message-ID: <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Foot controller configuration for Mobius (possibly FCB1010) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6R25F.A.bLH.JoX9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:23:53 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > I think mine is quite old to and when using MIDI note numbers I can > definitely target SUS Overdub on both EDP and Mobius. I think it's "note" > on and "note off" for that SUS functionality. I confirm, you don't need the new Eprom for assigning SUS functions. The pedal triggers Note-on and note-off messages. My only concern with this is that velocity is fixed (at 64 I think) so triggering a sampler or a synth can result in quite low volume. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 07:59:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F393BEE6; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007801c63397$bfcf7400$0400a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:50:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <0XchBC.A.VR.3JY9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Not true. Sustainiac Stealth Plus: with the battery empty, the rest of the guitar still functions. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:50 AM Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain > also beware that they are quick battery suckers and > once it has drained your guitar will be dead! > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 08:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 000A83BEDF; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:10:15 +0100 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003401c63399$974210e0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060217010900.49431.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:10:42 +0000 (UTC) I believe Ned Evett uses a Native Pros on this video clip, one with sustainer and glass fretboard. http://www.nedevett.com/guitars.html A little more gain and I could get close to my sarod. ;-) "Ned Evett, aka "The Glass Guitarist", has been touring and recording with the glass fingerboard concept since 1997, and has made them commercially available through fretlessguitar.com since 2000." T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) >I have the Native Pro and they are not being built in > korea anymore but guess where...?? > i do like the feel and look of the vintage native > pro,but it has tuning problems and be aware that the > sustainer mounted on this guitars (Fsk101) is > different than the the deluxe kit (fsk401)which means > they dont sustain as well.But Axel Rudich who is > working on mine said is a matter of adjusting it,we > will see... > Luis > > --- bruce tovsky wrote: > >> >> On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:53 AM, jj 179 wrote: >> >> > It was an extreme disappointment. The guitar >> itself was incredibly >> > cheaply built. The Sustain didn't work very >> effectively at all - >> > certainly **not at all** like an e-bow. I could >> only get the faintest >> > of feedback and it sounded lousy. >> >> well i love mine. having been an ebow player since >> they were first >> introduced >> (and still use it to this day) and also being >> influenced by michael >> brooks' >> "infinite guitar" work, i went looking for a >> sustainer guitar. i found >> out about the >> kramer, and then the fernandez. i got the elite >> model, so it could be a >> better >> build quality, and it was exactly what i was looking >> for. in fact, when >> i picked >> it up at ludlow guitars in nyc and tested it out (at >> very low volume) >> in the store, >> getting great smooth feedback with harmonic control, >> it drew a crowd. i >> use it >> all the time in my live shows, it has a great feel >> and a lovely floyd >> rose locking >> trem system. >> my 2 cents >> cheers >> bruce >> >> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the >> ground and miss." >> Douglas Adams >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 10:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DA023BEF5; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAKkw9UOCFIU6LA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060216193248.027f42c0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:36:11 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #171 In-Reply-To: <20060216114112.534213BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060216114112.534213BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:37:00 +0000 (UTC) At 11:41 16/02/06, you wrote: >At 01:27 PM 2/14/2006, Andy wrote: >>a) set up rhythm >>b) play head over rhythm without overdubbing. >>c) do a Multiply in order to overdub the changes >>d) play your solo over the changes & rhythm >>e) play the head over the changes & rhythm >>Is there a way you can play rhythm and chords together? >> >>then you could put feedback to zero and >> >>1) record a bar of rhythm >>2) go straight into Multiply, and play the head >>3) End the Multiply with overdub >>4) play the chords with strong rhythm under the melody >>5) bring feedback to 100% and solo over the chords > >If I understand what you're saying, for c) I still have to play just >chords a full time through the AABA tune. :-( yep, that's exactly the case. > I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid that; then I can sound > like a trio when I play solo. I could try playing a chord melody > but that's harder than just laying a single-note line over chords > and it restricts the line as well. > >But maybe I'm totally wrong. Not at all. ...but what about the 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) alternative? That has a problem of course, which is that you would lose the original rhythm you layed down at the start. So I guess that's not so attractive. > Does this get me out my predicament and I just don't see it? > Or do I have to dig out the RC20 and tap dance? yep, looks like either tap dancing, or finding a way to sync the EDP to the RC-20 (and then assigning the RC-20 to be your drummer) 1) maybe Beat Sync will work for this 2) if the RC-20 has an led that flashes at the start of the loop, then that would be a good place to get an electrical signal which you could send to the edp beatsync socket >Thanks, >Kevin andy butler www.andybutler.com mp3 & info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 12:38:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668703BEF0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iUHqozL6B0csyHH77CU4bx09euaoQxY92nsGgqQ36Swa7N/2W6Fof6PA/LUT+MYrFimP9dtWvtjxXP/Nq+uMZShGTjGmwas/aTg80e53aotGJ9DzqRDvT6J4dwPkPtr32ZdL0ZVqGaJ9uBkRwuumB5chjJ5/OQrHVWsLGj9x5Qs= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602170438n1d3f3b58h2babed392099852d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:38:32 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sustainiac (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:38:34 +0000 (UTC) On 2/16/06, mech wrote: > There's an "effects loop" in the Sustainiac Model C for just exactly > this sort of thing. The loop only affects the signal fed back into > your instrument, so you can put in filters (Maniac Music mentions > that a wah pedal works well) or delays in order to better > control/manipulate the resonant frequency of the feedback. My favourite pedal for this is Zachary Vex's 'Wah Probe' (the bastard son of a Theremin and a Wah Pedal). http://www.zvex.com/wahprobe.html (And if you're not familiar with Zach's probe pedals, make sure you watch the Fuzz Probe demo too http://www.zvex.com/fuzzprobe.html it's my favourite effect pedal EVER) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 14:26:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6DD23BEFC; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9050a433596f77f72cbec4b9707712f7@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:26:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:26:33 +0000 (UTC) i remove the battery between uses. lasts much longer that way. ;-) On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: > also beware that they are quick battery suckers and > once it has drained your guitar will be dead! bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 15:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1A03BF02; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,124,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="206415626:sNHT29123712" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:16:57 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Reminder -- Video Performance -- Immersions 2.18.06 --- Hyde Park, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The next Immersions event will occur on Saturday, Feb 18 8:PM, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. "Immersions" is a monthly intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. This edition will feature Jonathan Lamaster on violin, bass, and electronics, and probably other guest artists. We have been doing Immersions on the third Saturday of the month at Artists at Large since September of last year. The gallery is going to be moving out of its current space at the end of the month, so this is your last chance to catch us at what has been a wonderful space for us to stretch out and strut our stuff. Hope you can make it. Tommey Seggers, the gallery's splendid impresario, expects to find a new space in the area, hopefully in time for the March Immersions. Phone 617-276-3223. 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Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 15:43:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3243BEF9; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LgYwyZjeTt7KBPrDcCrIORpo6ZZPkT5UMLTJjgE2r4vet0A/6xeyZ+wSYhQjHuQO7jGmT+MaqH/cfHZYsuD+FpCAW3nl7FJ/YEhuRFOPinFwYYaRQ/boIqjHeC3AWV02Zn8RJC4lnzCO91RI6BuJc5X7agjAZg6UEZq5NyxorI4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:43:07 -0500 From: Nick Schillace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: raezer cabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:43:12 +0000 (UTC) i recently bought a series III clarus2r from acoustic image and want to add some cabs. i was thinking about a raezer 10er and 12er used together for electric and just one for acoustic gigs. anyone using these or something similar? ns www.nickschillace.com www.myspace.com/nickschillace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 15:46:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B31A3BF14; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BkGhS20nCUgpKWOeJUxFvSsDG6lE552ymDcuz1bw8Kd6kqpcWPnb5Edg2fMu4GhgN55m5A85ylOAxPR/NVk9K2EB8SwzWljT+jL758T11ZxXoYOe8Nz6xdleYkrAaDkaQgnmpE+xm2MyKEkzadfu6nIch353z3G78RJc7g6XslM= ; Message-ID: <20060217154604.94488.qmail@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn McCool Subject: Total Noob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I think I may be into looping. I'm not incredibly sure. What I want is to be able to just improvise a quick rhythm and then hit a button or something (hell, i don't know) annd then play on top of it looping. Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into? If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can use to get the job done? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:00:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78C8F3BF07; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1895456.1140192012402.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:00:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cheapo loopers Re: Total Noob Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <_axD7.A.A1F.OMf9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Sean... what you describe is the same depth as my looping exploits. (I loop as a palate cleanser between rock gigs ;-) My cheapo looper is a DOD (Digitech?) DFX-94... 4 seconds of looping, and you can just twist a knob to make it SLOOOW and LOOOOW or reeeeeeeeeeeealy fast and silly. It works well as an echo, too. Not sweet like a tape delay, but pleasant enough. I got mine new in 1997 for well under $100...you could get one much cheaper used, I'm sure. Cheers, Tim Mungenast -----Original Message----- >From: Shawn McCool >Sent: Feb 17, 2006 10:46 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Total Noob > >Hi, I think I may be into looping. I'm not incredibly sure. > >What I want is to be able to just improvise a quick rhythm and then hit a button or something >(hell, i don't know) annd then play on top of it looping. > >Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into? > >If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can use to get the job done? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:20:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A129A3BF1E; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c633de$20123be0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20060217154604.94488.qmail@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Total Noob Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:20:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 16:20:36.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[158100D0:01C633DE] Resent-Message-ID: <140YfB.A.8cG.rff9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:59 +0000 (UTC) DD-20 digital delay or Boss RC 20XL. They are not not expensive, but try them, first. and be sure they do what's you're thinking. fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn McCool" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Total Noob > Hi, I think I may be into looping. I'm not incredibly sure. > > What I want is to be able to just improvise a quick rhythm and then hit a > button or something > (hell, i don't know) annd then play on top of it looping. > > Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into? > > If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can use to > get the job done? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:29:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 051093BF2F; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,124,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2068608332:sNHT18870260" In-Reply-To: <005a01c633de$20123be0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <20060217154604.94488.qmail@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005a01c633de$20123be0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <811C3B63-C2B4-4310-A569-523F3384513E@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Total Noob Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:29:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8GeFCD.A.XvG.Ynf9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) It seems like the original Boss loopers have become pretty inexpensive on the used market. eBay seems to have them between $120 and $200. RC20, or (if you want to spend a little more) RC20XL. It's a "real" looper. The only thing cheaper is if you could find one of those Dod, DeltaLab, or Digitech rack units, and get a footpedal for it. If you look in the tools section of Looper's Delight, they're all listed under "historical loopers" or whatever Kim called it. Boomerangs seem to have lost their cachet, and are around $200 in the used market. Some people don't like them, but I do. They have the very best user interface of the lot. Sound quality isn't all that good, and they can be fussy to adjust. I always just run everything into a guitar amp, so pristine sound quality doesn't matter so much, and even though they are fussy, once you have it adjusted it works fine. I'd go for the Boomerang if you can swing the $200+ bucks. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > DD-20 digital delay or Boss RC 20XL. > They are not not expensive, but try them, first. and be sure they > do what's you're thinking. > > fabio > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html? > tag=quickurl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn McCool" > > To: > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:46 PM > Subject: Total Noob > > >> Hi, I think I may be into looping. I'm not incredibly sure. >> >> What I want is to be able to just improvise a quick rhythm and >> then hit a button or something >> (hell, i don't know) annd then play on top of it looping. >> >> Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into? >> >> If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can >> use to get the job done? >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:35:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 595903BF3E; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,124,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="800226623:sNHT223366974" In-Reply-To: <811C3B63-C2B4-4310-A569-523F3384513E@charter.net> References: <20060217154604.94488.qmail@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005a01c633de$20123be0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <811C3B63-C2B4-4310-A569-523F3384513E@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5034A8EB-8521-4D13-8433-664D48ED8718@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Total Noob Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:35:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, and the DD-20, like Fabio says -- I forgot. You should read the two DD-20 reviews on the tools page. They have pretty much convinced me I ought to get one. Or two. For $200, new, you get something that can do some really unique processing. The "looper" part of it is a little limited, but the delays more than make up for that. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > It seems like the original Boss loopers have become pretty > inexpensive on the used market. eBay seems to have them between > $120 and $200. RC20, or (if you want to spend a little more) > RC20XL. It's a "real" looper. The only thing cheaper is if you > could find one of those Dod, DeltaLab, or Digitech rack units, and > get a footpedal for it. If you look in the tools section of > Looper's Delight, they're all listed under "historical loopers" or > whatever Kim called it. Boomerangs seem to have lost their cachet, > and are around $200 in the used market. Some people don't like > them, but I do. They have the very best user interface of the lot. > Sound quality isn't all that good, and they can be fussy to adjust. > I always just run everything into a guitar amp, so pristine sound > quality doesn't matter so much, and even though they are fussy, > once you have it adjusted it works fine. > > I'd go for the Boomerang if you can swing the $200+ bucks. > > > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > >> DD-20 digital delay or Boss RC 20XL. >> They are not not expensive, but try them, first. and be sure they >> do what's you're thinking. >> >> fabio >> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ >> http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html? >> tag=quickurl >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn McCool" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:46 PM >> Subject: Total Noob >> >> >>> Hi, I think I may be into looping. I'm not incredibly sure. >>> >>> What I want is to be able to just improvise a quick rhythm and >>> then hit a button or something >>> (hell, i don't know) annd then play on top of it looping. >>> >>> Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into? >>> >>> If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can >>> use to get the job done? >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 16:37:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E41C93BF48; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47CBA31F-8CF1-493A-98B3-9417C7A46A9C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:37:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:37:23 +0000 (UTC) On 14 feb 2006, at 13.41, todd reynolds wrote: > I've played this piece incessantly since 1990 as a member in his > ensemble > and am most excited to be able to answer a question about it and > Reich. > Thanks for the opportunity! If any other questions, bring em on! Well, ok then, Todd. Here's a related question: You don't happen to know what's so special with his "Music for a Large Ensemble (12/78)? I'm curios on what exactly makes this music so beautiful (that record is higher on my list compared to Different Trains). I was completely floored the first time I heard it and bought the vinyl album (released 1980) and later the CD. How about tunings? Does the orchestra perform in JI? But don't they have to rebuild marimbas etc if so? Or maybe it isn't the tuning... I was just thinking about that because I have been listening a lot to Robert Rich lately and somehow I hear a lot of Reich in his music and Robert is known for using JI. Maybe it's just a good recording that makes that record stand out? I have a CD of Bach's Brandenburger that sounds awesome and I'm always disappointed when hearing other recordings of that classic piece. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 17:12:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 381EE3BF2B; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:06:12 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> In-Reply-To: <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I am trying to check if I can reproduce my hardware setup into a mixed hardware/software setup. My main concern is trying to substitute my Switchblade. So here is what I still haven't found how to do: I want to send some software outputs ( from Mobius) to analog outputs ( this is clearly possible with the majority of the native mix sw of almost any sound card) BUT I need to control the level of this output (not of the software) via Midi. Plus I need to assign a midi fader so that it can operate contemporarly lifting one fader and lowering another one ( say that with the midi fader UP it lifts mixer channel "A" up and mixer channel "B" down, with midi fader DOWN it does the opposite. I checked Rme totalmix and, while it allows for some midicontrol, it is restricted to some functions and it does work just with few specific hardware, there is no chance to assign specific midi control operations to specific faders and Rme says they have no interest in developing it further. Any idea ? Best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 17:17:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216A63BF3C; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xA8as9vf/PguTQ4PxAk6sHwwzoudyq40vawZERFkI2Jej2vjYTEa8v/OdiGz9CheSsaneueMjPZrq378WlCnFGCbJ+gSOvVltnOK+5+b+H2w9a6uxMhb2ARlXwtxoM6s6oIZjFWtjDz7hTNYuw0wJ/CpJVQ9i0gg2JvDFWhtdyw= ; Message-ID: <20060217171750.99214.qmail@web37801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Re: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47CBA31F-8CF1-493A-98B3-9417C7A46A9C@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-257267702-1140196670=:94420" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9yp26D.A.V3._Ug9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:17:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-257267702-1140196670=:94420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Per, what is JI? Per Boysen wrote: How about tunings? Does the orchestra perform in JI? Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-257267702-1140196670=:94420 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Per, what is JI?

Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
How about tunings? Does the orchestra perform in JI?


Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-257267702-1140196670=:94420-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 17:26:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4133BF4F; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XjkffGA0tJbnBVz2cB/9y5aQY8WhNs1SchjEV1fZttWG7cpJFXu08ak9B2qnQMsBJ2Pd110lY2j9nXwMBO8L3ZXCQz6vc/DqLFTcGNMIV+rVc950yUYXCHuum7jieKdhnWe5iDxXyc9mWFICTL1Ash+EtDn1bu6UG3qOkdxnabE= ; Message-ID: <20060217172652.53417.qmail@web37808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Re: Total Noob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060217154604.94488.qmail@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1392103827-1140197212=:53289" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:26:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1392103827-1140197212=:53289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would say find a used Line6 DL4. They're just amazing. Simple yet great. Shawn McCool wrote: Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into? If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can use to get the job done? Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1392103827-1140197212=:53289 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would say find a used Line6 DL4. They're just amazing. Simple yet great.

Shawn McCool <integrallogic@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is that the same kind of looping you guys are into?

If so, I am sooo pooor.. What's something super cheap that I can use to get the job done?


Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1392103827-1140197212=:53289-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 352483BF1C; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:18:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:18:23 +0000 (UTC) On 17 feb 2006, at 18.06, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to check if I can reproduce my hardware setup into a > mixed hardware/software setup. > My main concern is trying to substitute my Switchblade. > So here is what I still haven't found how to do: > > I want to send some software outputs ( from Mobius) to analog > outputs ( this is clearly possible with the majority of the native > mix sw of almost any sound card) BUT I need to control the level of > this output (not of the software) via Midi. > Plus I need to assign a midi fader so that it can operate > contemporarly lifting one fader and lowering another one ( say that > with the midi fader UP it lifts mixer channel "A" up and mixer > channel "B" down, with midi fader DOWN it does the opposite. > I checked Rme totalmix and, while it allows for some midicontrol, > it is restricted to some functions and it does work just with few > specific hardware, there is no chance to assign specific midi > control operations to specific faders and Rme says they have no > interest in developing it further. > Any idea ? If you run Mobius as a VST plug-in in Ableton Live those things should be possible. Each Mobius track comes out into a track in the Live mixer, which has a fader that is easily MIDI controllable. Because Live is also used by DJs it has that classic DJ mixer function where a horizontal fader mixes between the two turntables. Live has no turntables but every track can be assigned to either "A" or "B" - which corresponds to the two decks in a DJ rigg. So, there are ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:19:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533813BF06; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060217171750.99214.qmail@web37801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060217171750.99214.qmail@web37801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <01A917EF-1D54-4B5E-B7D4-B87205987638@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:19:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:19:31 +0000 (UTC) On 17 feb 2006, at 18.17, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Per, what is JI? Must translate as Just Intonation (?) in English. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:30:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18B53BEE6; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F61631.8070000@biink.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:30:09 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich References: <47CBA31F-8CF1-493A-98B3-9417C7A46A9C@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <47CBA31F-8CF1-493A-98B3-9417C7A46A9C@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > . How about tunings? Does the orchestra perform in JI? But don't they > have to rebuild marimbas etc if so? They would have to. You can't change the tuning on a tuned percussion instrument unless it has strings like a piano. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 18:38:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31BC83BF46; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F616AD.6020607@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:32:13 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, I was trying to find a native ( inside the sound card sw) solution because I think it should allow to have a lower latency. Are you passing all your signal through live mixer ? Basically, I use this crossfade function to select when the input of a hw processor is fed by the loop coming out from Mobius or by the direct input signal. I have seen that E-mu soundcard (1616) has a mixer which *should* allow this. I would have preferred Rme wanted to develop midi control further on their totalmix, but Matthias Carsten told me it is "not a urgent issue for us at this time". Thanks for your kind help, as always ;-) best, luca Per Boysen wrote: > On 17 feb 2006, at 18.06, Luca Formentini wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am trying to check if I can reproduce my hardware setup into a >> mixed hardware/software setup. >> My main concern is trying to substitute my Switchblade. >> So here is what I still haven't found how to do: >> >> I want to send some software outputs ( from Mobius) to analog >> outputs ( this is clearly possible with the majority of the native >> mix sw of almost any sound card) BUT I need to control the level of >> this output (not of the software) via Midi. >> Plus I need to assign a midi fader so that it can operate >> contemporarly lifting one fader and lowering another one ( say that >> with the midi fader UP it lifts mixer channel "A" up and mixer >> channel "B" down, with midi fader DOWN it does the opposite. >> I checked Rme totalmix and, while it allows for some midicontrol, it >> is restricted to some functions and it does work just with few >> specific hardware, there is no chance to assign specific midi >> control operations to specific faders and Rme says they have no >> interest in developing it further. >> Any idea ? > > > > If you run Mobius as a VST plug-in in Ableton Live those things > should be possible. Each Mobius track comes out into a track in the > Live mixer, which has a fader that is easily MIDI controllable. > Because Live is also used by DJs it has that classic DJ mixer > function where a horizontal fader mixes between the two turntables. > Live has no turntables but every track can be assigned to either "A" > or "B" - which corresponds to the two decks in a DJ rigg. So, there > are ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 19:27:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B61FE3BF0B; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43F616AD.6020607@unguitar.com> References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> <43F616AD.6020607@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CC22EC4-2425-493B-8D47-3A99CC3240AA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:27:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3T5vh.A.ouF.bOi9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:27:23 +0000 (UTC) On 17 feb 2006, at 19.32, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi Per, > I was trying to find a native ( inside the sound card sw) solution > because I think it should allow to have a lower latency. Latency happens when analog audio streams (your guitar signal etc) is digitized. When the signal is well converted into ones and zeros it can be routed around without any added latency (except for latency inducing plug-ins and such). > Are you passing all your signal through live mixer ? Yes, sometimes. It is very convenient. I'm doing it on both PC and Mac with my RME Multiface audio interface. Each Live mixer track can be set to any of those eight outputs on the Multiface (as well as additional digital channels, if I should expand it into the digital domain - like for example running a rack fx box by the SPDIF or ADAT pipe which means no latency since it is already digital. But I don't ;-). > Basically, I use this crossfade function to select when the input > of a hw processor is fed by the loop coming out from Mobius or by > the direct input signal. > I have seen that E-mu soundcard (1616) has a mixer which *should* > allow this. > I would have preferred Rme wanted to develop midi control further > on their totalmix, but Matthias Carsten told me it is "not a urgent > issue for us at this time". Yes, I can certainly see the logic in that. We, on this list, represent a marginal market ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 19:57:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B1583BED2; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:57:32 -0600 From: David Small Subject: Re: Re: The Dark Age In-reply-to: X-Sender: cpp6@mail.uh.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20060217135054.04abf128@mail.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:57:35 +0000 (UTC) I'd very much like to start a thread on house concerts. This may not be the proper forum, but we're outfitting a small stage and performance venue in our home that will seat 35-to-40 people. All proceeds, after we pay the musicians, will go to charity. This is in the suburbs of Houston, Texas. Anyone else out there with experience in this kind of thing? If so, what is fair admission fee? any hassles with neighborhood associations? do you serve food? how do you go about identifying performers? I'll be glad to share what we've collected (articles, advice, etc.) with anyone who is interested. Best. David At 08:58 PM 2/16/2006 -0500, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, joe rut wrote: > >>Indeed! My favorite gigs of the last few years have all been house >>parties and warehouse shows put on by people creating alternatives to the >>"club scene". >>For those of you who have never put on a house concert, you'd be >>surprised how little it takes and how fun it is. And since there is no >>"club overhead" to >>feed, %100 of the door goes to the musicians, who usually end up with >>more $ than your average club gig. The audience usually has a more rewarding >>experience because they are there specifically to hear music, so you have >>already filtered out most of the "I wanna go to the bar to drink and >>talk" crowd >>that can be at odds with the "I wanna listen to music crowd". >> >>The usual standard around here is $5 to $10 sliding scale with noone >>turned away for lack of funds, BYOB, and the house provides a bowl of chili or >>something. Sometimes at larger warehouse shows the house will sell >>beer/wine at very cheap rates (eg, $2 a beer). >> >>Anyway, there are alternatives out there. >> >>Joe Rut > >Absolutely there are alternatives. I've started hosting house concerts in >my area because performers who want to play in the area started contacting >me asking for help setting up shows in the area, and sometimes there's not >a space available when they're coming through. I have a big house, which helps. > >Anyone coming through the Raleigh end of North Carolina, drop me an email. > >http://www.badgerhaus.com/ > >regards, >Steve B >http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:04:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C05E3BF0F; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6CC22EC4-2425-493B-8D47-3A99CC3240AA@boysen.se> References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> <43F616AD.6020607@unguitar.com> <6CC22EC4-2425-493B-8D47-3A99CC3240AA@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:04:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:04:13 +0000 (UTC) > On 17 feb 2006, at 19.32, Luca Formentini wrote: > >> Are you passing all your signal through live mixer ? On 17 feb 2006, at 20.27, Per Boysen wrote: > > Yes, sometimes. I have to jump in here to make myself clear. If you meant the direct instrument (live input) signal I do not run it through any software at all. The reason for that is to stay out of phasing problems caused by latency. When writing the post I was thinking that you meant the signals coming out of Mobius (my live looping), and these signals I do of course pass through the mixer in Ableton Live. To me that's the point of using Live, as a plain mixer and routing patch-bay for audio and MIDI control data. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:08:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FDEE3BF29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: FCB1010 EEPROM versions Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:08:52 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c633fd$f9a52510$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Thread-Index: AcYzkxtthVVnbE9hSkeTCYgf6PWu8AAaph8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per and Ben, of course you're right. Actually, the only thing they changed here was the wording in the manual, so I got the impression that the new version sends MIDI Note On and Off while the old one only sends Off. The short version: even my very old FCB1010 sends proper MIDI notes from beginning to end. And so I guess it will work with the SUS functions. Thanks, Rainer > I confirm, you don't need the new Eprom for assigning SUS functions. > The pedal triggers Note-on and note-off messages. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FAC13BF24; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20060217135054.04abf128@mail.uh.edu> References: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20060217135054.04abf128@mail.uh.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: House Concerts - how to pull it off (was: Re: The Dark Age) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:10:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:10:10 +0000 (UTC) On 17 feb 2006, at 20.57, David Small wrote: > I'd very much like to start a thread on house concerts. This may > not be the > proper forum, but we're outfitting a small stage and performance > venue in > our home that will seat 35-to-40 people. All proceeds, after we pay > the > musicians, will go to charity. This is in the suburbs of Houston, > Texas. > Anyone else out there with experience in this kind of thing? If so, > what > is fair admission fee? any hassles with neighborhood associations? do > you serve food? how do you go about identifying performers? I'll be > glad to share what we've collected (articles, advice, etc.) with > anyone > who is interested. Best. > > David http://www.houseconcerts.com/hosting.html http://www.houseconcerts.org/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:48:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269C33BEE4; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" Subject: electric mbira Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:48:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 20:48:38.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[871FC3F0:01C63403] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:48:42 +0000 (UTC) This is the fabulous Mbira band with car part amps... http://www.crammed.be/konono/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 20:59:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C3393BED2; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's) Thread-Index: AcY0BRlDV9X4TJ/4EdqY/wAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <47CBA31F-8CF1-493A-98B3-9417C7A46A9C@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:59:57 +0000 (UTC) What's so special in that tune is simply the instrumentation. Steve is obsessive about timbre, and that's what creates that incredible sound. Yes= , it's a nice recording, but I think if you find the latest Alan Pierson recording, you'll find it sounds great. Regarding Microtunings, the maestro doesn't have any interest in that. Everything's at 440... For the record, even the poorly done recordings of reich still, imho have that special sound. I might have recorded or even performed it slightly differently, but all in all, the music is so well written that the performances and the recordings end up rather similar to each other. Hope that answers the your questions. Pleasure. T. On 2/17/06 11:37 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On 14 feb 2006, at 13.41, todd reynolds wrote: >=20 >> I've played this piece incessantly since 1990 as a member in his >> ensemble >> and am most excited to be able to answer a question about it and >> Reich. >> Thanks for the opportunity! If any other questions, bring em on! >=20 >=20 > Well, ok then, Todd. Here's a related question: You don't happen to > know what's so special with his "Music for a Large Ensemble (12/78)? > I'm curios on what exactly makes this music so beautiful (that record > is higher on my list compared to Different Trains). I was completely > floored the first time I heard it and bought the vinyl album > (released 1980) and later the CD. How about tunings? Does the > orchestra perform in JI? But don't they have to rebuild marimbas etc > if so? Or maybe it isn't the tuning... I was just thinking about that > because I have been listening a lot to Robert Rich lately and somehow > I hear a lot of Reich in his music and Robert is known for using JI. >=20 > Maybe it's just a good recording that makes that record stand out? I > have a CD of Bach's Brandenburger that sounds awesome and I'm always > disappointed when hearing other recordings of that classic piece. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 21:18:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36683BEDB; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:18:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 21:18:47.0461 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD74ED50:01C63407] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Todd for sharing! Cheers Lou >From: todd reynolds >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: Steve Reich (was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the >1980's) >Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:53 -0500 > >What's so special in that tune is simply the instrumentation. Steve is >obsessive about timbre, and that's what creates that incredible sound. >Yes, >it's a nice recording, but I think if you find the latest Alan Pierson >recording, you'll find it sounds great. > >Regarding Microtunings, the maestro doesn't have any interest in that. >Everything's at 440... > >For the record, even the poorly done recordings of reich still, imho have >that special sound. I might have recorded or even performed it slightly >differently, but all in all, the music is so well written that the >performances and the recordings end up rather similar to each other. > >Hope that answers the your questions. Pleasure. > >T. > > > >On 2/17/06 11:37 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > > > On 14 feb 2006, at 13.41, todd reynolds wrote: > > > >> I've played this piece incessantly since 1990 as a member in his > >> ensemble > >> and am most excited to be able to answer a question about it and > >> Reich. > >> Thanks for the opportunity! If any other questions, bring em on! > > > > > > Well, ok then, Todd. Here's a related question: You don't happen to > > know what's so special with his "Music for a Large Ensemble (12/78)? > > I'm curios on what exactly makes this music so beautiful (that record > > is higher on my list compared to Different Trains). I was completely > > floored the first time I heard it and bought the vinyl album > > (released 1980) and later the CD. How about tunings? Does the > > orchestra perform in JI? But don't they have to rebuild marimbas etc > > if so? Or maybe it isn't the tuning... I was just thinking about that > > because I have been listening a lot to Robert Rich lately and somehow > > I hear a lot of Reich in his music and Robert is known for using JI. > > > > Maybe it's just a good recording that makes that record stand out? I > > have a CD of Bach's Brandenburger that sounds awesome and I'm always > > disappointed when hearing other recordings of that classic piece. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter > >³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the >creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------ >Todd Reynolds >42-09 47th Ave 1C >Sunnyside, NY 11104 > >Ph. 718 392-3773 >Mob. 917 576-6166 >Fax 419 781-5502 > >http://www.toddreynolds.com > > >todd@toddreynolds.com >9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) >AIM ID: toddreyn > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 21:24:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BA903BEF0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <54.53ae2f74.312798fb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:24:11 EST Subject: Re: Sustainiacs and Ebows (Was: Looper's Essential Listening revisited:) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.53ae2f74.312798fb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:24:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_54.53ae2f74.312798fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/06 10:21:08 PM, tedkillian@charter.net writes: > you can play 2 semi-independent lines on 2 strings with 2 Ebows > at the same time. > sweet! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_54.53ae2f74.312798fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/16/06 10:21:08 PM, tedkillian@charter.net writes:


you can play 2 semi-i= ndependent lines on 2 strings with 2 Ebows
at the same time.


sweet!



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 --part1_54.53ae2f74.312798fb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:12:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 219723BEE7; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <24BC8779-BEC1-4917-B96F-874FBA8A8E76@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:12:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 7dffd3f0-a002-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Hiya Loopers, I apologize for the non-looping nature of this question. But I thought there's gotta be someone on the list who knows about electricity! Or maybe it is related. I'm asking about "ground" loops.... Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new apartment. It's old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the outlets in the house, every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out now because one of the many rooms in this beautiful old house is intended as my music studio. Yikes! I'll try to refrain from using my gear while standing in a pool of water, but is this an unworkable situation for a musician with loads of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even moved in?? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Zoe the cellist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:34:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B9A3BEF8; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060217173440.nk1hq7ei0v4ggkgg@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:34:40 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: House Concerts - how to pull it off (was: Re: The Dark Age) References: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20060217135054.04abf128@mail.uh.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:34:52 +0000 (UTC) A couple of quick thoughts: 1. Ask people to bring food/snacks 2. $5-$10 works (it's ALWAYS a donation) 3. Depends on the neighborhod but if you become friends with the neighborhood or set it up so the neighborhood benfits, well then, there's no problem 4. Word of mouth gets performers in the door. Build it and they will come (and you'll probably have to beat them away with a stick) 5. Don't neglect artisty things as well (songwriting sessions with the artist, etc.) ~peace~ Michael Quoting Per Boysen : > On 17 feb 2006, at 20.57, David Small wrote: > >> I'd very much like to start a thread on house concerts. This may not be the >> proper forum, but we're outfitting a small stage and performance venue in >> our home that will seat 35-to-40 people. All proceeds, after we pay the >> musicians, will go to charity. This is in the suburbs of Houston, Texas. >> Anyone else out there with experience in this kind of thing? If so, what >> is fair admission fee? any hassles with neighborhood associations? do >> you serve food? how do you go about identifying performers? I'll be >> glad to share what we've collected (articles, advice, etc.) with anyone >> who is interested. Best. >> >> David > > > http://www.houseconcerts.com/hosting.html > http://www.houseconcerts.org/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EABE73BEF9; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <24BC8779-BEC1-4917-B96F-874FBA8A8E76@zoekeating.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) You can get by with those gray two prong to three prong adaptors, making sure to attach the little metal tang to the screw holding the wall socket face in place. But I would also suggest you invest in a power /line conditioner, with as much filtering and RF protection as your budget will allow...I know, just the thing you want to hear after paying first, last, and a deposit:( Monster seems to make some good ones, as does furman, but a dedicated electronic or computer store will have more affordable ones with battery back up, so you have a minute or two to power down before the power goes off, during a black out. Other products that will help would be a good direct box or isolation transformer box if you plan to use any passive or active piezo transducers on your cello. BTW what are you using on your cello? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Hiya Loopers, I apologize for the non-looping nature of this question. But I thought there's gotta be someone on the list who knows about electricity! Or maybe it is related. I'm asking about "ground" loops.... Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new apartment. It's old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the outlets in the house, every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out now because one of the many rooms in this beautiful old house is intended as my music studio. Yikes! I'll try to refrain from using my gear while standing in a pool of water, but is this an unworkable situation for a musician with loads of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even moved in?? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Zoe the cellist From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:55:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D5D33BEFF; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:55:34 -0800 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 8793522e-a008-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Bill, So in other words, it's not the end of the world...yet? I'm using a powered AKG C411 contact microphone these days, and blending it with the David Gage Realist (yes, piezo). On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:50 PM, William Walker wrote: > > active piezo transducers on your cello. BTW what are you using on your > cello? > Bill > > Thanks much, Zoe the cellist > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 22:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE073BEFA; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: electric mbira Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:57:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) That is awesome! I sent it to my friend who plays in a Mbira band. Bill -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:49 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: electric mbira This is the fabulous Mbira band with car part amps... http://www.crammed.be/konono/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1A663BF0D; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1866.128.193.37.212.1140218420.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <24BC8779-BEC1-4917-B96F-874FBA8A8E76@zoekeating.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:20:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets From: johnsrude@peak.org To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:20:22 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Bill except that before you buy the power conditioner, you should buy a little three-prong plug tester and plug this into the adapter after you've attached the metal tang. The reason for this is that all too often electricians don't ground the plug box. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com > You can get by with those gray two prong to three prong adaptors, making > sure to attach the little metal tang to the screw holding the wall socket > face in place. But I would also suggest you invest in a power /line > conditioner, with as much filtering and RF protection as your budget will > allow...I know, just the thing you want to hear after paying first, last, > and a deposit:( Monster seems to make some good ones, as does furman, but a > dedicated electronic or computer store will have more affordable ones with > battery back up, so you have a minute or two to power down before the power > goes off, during a black out. Other products that will help would be a good > direct box or isolation transformer box if you plan to use any passive or > active piezo transducers on your cello. BTW what are you using on your > cello? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898F33BF11; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1874.128.193.37.212.1140218551.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20060217173440.nk1hq7ei0v4ggkgg@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <20060213164637.437BDE5BCA@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20060217135054.04abf128@mail.uh.edu> <20060217173440.nk1hq7ei0v4ggkgg@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:22:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: House Concerts - how to pull it off (was: Re: The Dark Age) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:22:32 +0000 (UTC) > 5. Don't neglect artisty things as well (songwriting sessions with the > artist, > etc.) Round here, we call them artisty things "workshops" or "master classes", podner. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E4A13BEF6; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QL3PtYg/eHdu8LqqW+4hEso9QEIJ1Om8Ls6koFcRJf13np8VRGXiTIVvqvMoPK7H87bemKPFdp066INeJ8VicCX1Qu6pCmsYgbNs9U55g45DD+Dsz0A6RNlObB8Z1aGHgofM0x4LF1yiFPwEmOA+Bnc0T/gBY23rA/vz63AWOr8= ; Message-ID: <20060217233518.93726.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <24BC8779-BEC1-4917-B96F-874FBA8A8E76@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-dvLyD.A.JH.32l9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:35:20 +0000 (UTC) I down and dirty way of grounding your outlets is to put a ground lift (those gray 2 to 3 prong adaptors) and taking lamp cord and routing it to your waste water pipes. Not sure if this is bunk but I did it at my last place and all went well.... OR DID IT? ;) I also read directions on how to plant copper poles in the dirt outside your house... seems like a lot of work. Might be worth it. Mark --- Zoe Keating wrote: > Hiya Loopers, > > I apologize for the non-looping nature of this > question. But I > thought there's gotta be someone on the list who > knows about > electricity! Or maybe it is related. I'm asking > about "ground" loops.... > > Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new > apartment. It's > old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the > outlets in the house, > every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out > now because one of > the many rooms in this beautiful old house is > intended as my music > studio. Yikes! > > I'll try to refrain from using my gear while > standing in a pool of > water, but is this an unworkable situation for a > musician with loads > of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even > moved in?? > > Any help in this matter would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks much, Zoe the cellist > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33263BEF0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3B5xRusw5VsK3/Ndmud81OW5eGKoj2LaJLS4HhDTZls9w/qSSolmrMpG5QymZ8fdc3Zzzx17PrtbJ01E/j6ou+r/tDT44YrkLi3l+ngqzXY/7mK1ReSuQuhobHTZdxcmOC+h4ZF2RVOWgJNH2YgU9wG87n9VV2EegoJw3veXhUM= ; Message-ID: <20060217234826.8845.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:48:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20060217135054.04abf128@mail.uh.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4AOwYB.A.Bt.RDm9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:48:33 +0000 (UTC) In a similar vein, I'd like to start a SF Bay Area loop "collaboration" club where loopers would get together in groups of 2 or 3 and make some music. Anyone have any interest in doing something like this? --- David Small wrote: > I'd very much like to start a thread on house > concerts. This may not be the > proper forum, but we're outfitting a small stage and > performance venue in > our home that will seat 35-to-40 people. All > proceeds, after we pay the > musicians, will go to charity. This is in the > suburbs of Houston, Texas. > Anyone else out there with experience in this kind > of thing? If so, what > is fair admission fee? any hassles with neighborhood > associations? do > you serve food? how do you go about identifying > performers? I'll be > glad to share what we've collected (articles, > advice, etc.) with anyone > who is interested. Best. > > David > > > At 08:58 PM 2/16/2006 -0500, burnett@pobox.com > wrote: > >On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, joe rut wrote: > > > >>Indeed! My favorite gigs of the last few years > have all been house > >>parties and warehouse shows put on by people > creating alternatives to the > >>"club scene". > >>For those of you who have never put on a house > concert, you'd be > >>surprised how little it takes and how fun it is. > And since there is no > >>"club overhead" to > >>feed, %100 of the door goes to the musicians, who > usually end up with > >>more $ than your average club gig. The audience > usually has a more rewarding > >>experience because they are there specifically to > hear music, so you have > >>already filtered out most of the "I wanna go to > the bar to drink and > >>talk" crowd > >>that can be at odds with the "I wanna listen to > music crowd". > >> > >>The usual standard around here is $5 to $10 > sliding scale with noone > >>turned away for lack of funds, BYOB, and the house > provides a bowl of chili or > >>something. Sometimes at larger warehouse shows > the house will sell > >>beer/wine at very cheap rates (eg, $2 a beer). > >> > >>Anyway, there are alternatives out there. > >> > >>Joe Rut > > > >Absolutely there are alternatives. I've started > hosting house concerts in > >my area because performers who want to play in the > area started contacting > >me asking for help setting up shows in the area, > and sometimes there's not > >a space available when they're coming through. I > have a big house, which helps. > > > >Anyone coming through the Raleigh end of North > Carolina, drop me an email. > > > >http://www.badgerhaus.com/ > > > >regards, > >Steve B > >http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:49:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 137E93BEF3; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:49:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:49:31 +0000 (UTC) >At 2:55 PM -0800 2/17/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > >So in other words, it's not the end of the world...yet? Bill and Kevin are right on with their advice, and you should be good with implementing those solutions. If you continue to run into problems, I've seen some tutorials out on the Net on how to improvise your own grounding in these sort of situations (i.e. using the building's plumbing, or something else structural and conductive). They're frequently geared toward houses wired with only two prong wiring, but many of the same tips apply for apartments too. One other thing I've always found that helps me is to use power conditioners and multi-outlet boxes to sum my power down to a single outlet. I've found that this is the surest way to eliminate ground loops, since all power is coming from a single source. I've got one of the mid-range Furman PDU's (with the power draw LED meter) that I try to use as the first in the chain run into the wall. That way, I can see exactly how much average power my whole system is pulling, and I'll know when I'm overtaxing the system. Hasn't happened yet, and I've had a whole recording studio run off a single wall plug. Although I've probably been lucky in that regard. (CAVEAT: that last bit is definitely YMMV and all standard disclaimers apply. You're probably safe with the typical small rack/recording setup. Bigger than that, and you should certainly know what kind of draw you're putting on the system. Otherwise, you're going to start tripping breakers left-&-right.) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 17 23:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5452D3BF0B; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lhPjVjeKEqhqwPjY1Xus7Z+fK1LMwRMF04AlLRZoxDr7JxECuZsmimfK7Ewsd9LLjwFpDVaL0efGGAL+DZBFOS1jfyLfxx1LJSJrhhkGBK9FygR1G8tct6vWAyxML/z+zYN5UP3W0p25FMkHEMbweAsevyY5C4LtX/ypMEQ6ffI= ; Message-ID: <20060217235459.91239.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: jan gyn Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060217233518.93726.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:55:00 +0000 (UTC) And make sure you get a proper power cord! http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=PSASTPC1.5 -jan :) --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I down and dirty way of grounding your outlets is to > put a ground lift (those gray 2 to 3 prong adaptors) > and taking lamp cord and routing it to your waste > water pipes. Not sure if this is bunk but I did it > at > my last place and all went well.... OR DID IT? ;) > > I also read directions on how to plant copper poles > in > the dirt outside your house... seems like a lot of > work. Might be worth it. > > Mark > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > Hiya Loopers, > > > > I apologize for the non-looping nature of this > > question. But I > > thought there's gotta be someone on the list who > > knows about > > electricity! Or maybe it is related. I'm asking > > about "ground" loops.... > > > > Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new > > apartment. It's > > old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the > > outlets in the house, > > every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out > > now because one of > > the many rooms in this beautiful old house is > > intended as my music > > studio. Yikes! > > > > I'll try to refrain from using my gear while > > standing in a pool of > > water, but is this an unworkable situation for a > > musician with loads > > of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even > > moved in?? > > > > Any help in this matter would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks much, Zoe the cellist > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D1513BF06; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060217234826.8845.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060217234826.8845.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: brian tester Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:06:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:03:17 +0000 (UTC) That could be fun. Count me in, perhaps. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 00:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2FE3BEE4; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: 2-prong questions: thanks! Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:21:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 90db40bc-a014-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <29dcGB.A.ZKC.kim9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the response regarding grounding 2-prong outlets! Such a smart bunch you are.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 01:28:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764733BEF1; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: HOUSE CONCERTS Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:28:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:28:44 +0000 (UTC) This thread is so off topic of the original Dark Ages thread that I"m going to change it's title for the sake of people who are searching the archives in the future. David wrote: "I'd very much like to start a thread on house concerts. This may not be the proper forum, but we're outfitting a small stage and performance venue in our home that will seat 35-to-40 people. All proceeds, after we pay the musicians, will go to charity. This is in the suburbs of Houston, Texas. Anyone else out there with experience in this kind of thing? If so, what is fair admission fee? any hassles with neighborhood associations? do you serve food? how do you go about identifying performers? I'll be glad to share what we've collected (articles, advice, etc.) with anyone who is interested" >From my experience, a good price to charge is $10/ with noone turned away for lack of funds so that you are not discriminatory for people who are interested in attending. Additionally, since it is a house concert, you can always ask anyone asking to come in for less than the donation cost to please help out with CD sales or food services or clean up at the end of the evening. Anyone who is not just trying to get something for nothing will gladly help out. A great strategy is to tell your neighbors in advance and ask for their good graces. By all means, invite them to attend, free of charge. They will never come I assure you but it gives them the illusion that they have freedom in the matter. Be sure and assure them that you want to be very sensitive to their needs (viz a vis noise complaints, parking crowding, etc.) A great strategy is to offer to buy them tickets to the movies on the concert in question. Frequently they won't take you up on it but it is worth a couple of admission fees to make sure that they don't complain. Viz a vis food, I wouldn't go to that hassle unless you really want everyone to feel great about the concert and don't mind putting energy into something that will probably not return the investment. Things like this are never big money makers, they are labors of love and very necessary labors of love as new and emerging artistry is crowded out of this culture's venues. Good luck. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 01:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 909793BEE9; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008101c6342a$b98b4220$6ec1f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: raezer cabs Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:29:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 139, in=86866, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Those (Raezer's) are very nice cabs, especially for jazz. Several years ago I did a fair amount of research on the types of 1X12 guitar cabs that were available in the market. There aren't a lot, unforunatley. Mesa Boogie makes a 1X12 cab in three configurations: ported, sealed, and open back. I have a ported version, which I absolutely love. It has the 200w EV 12L speaker in it...not the cheapy force series, but the OEM series (200w and 300w peak). If you can find one, JBL used to make a 1X12 ported cab. I have one, and it is an excellent cab too...though I just took out the 300 watt speaker and put it in my Mesa Boogie Mark I combo amp. It's the Mark I with the tweed grill and hardwood cabinet, so you can imagine how heavy that sucker is now! I'll eventually put a 200w EV 12L (OEM) speaker back in the JBL cab, same as the Boogie cab. If you ever find one of those JBL cabs, snatch it up. It took me 2 years to find mine. Another option, believe it or not, are the Rocktron Velocity S12 cabs, which are also ported and sort of trapazoiz shaped. They are very light, but very punchy...I've used them for jazz, rock, fusion, country, etc. Not bad at all. I still have a pair that I'll probably sell any time. I just need to replace the handle on one, becuase it is starting to crack. There are other options out there, but I narrowed it down to the Boogie, JBL, and Rocktron. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Schillace" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: raezer cabs i recently bought a series III clarus2r from acoustic image and want to add some cabs. i was thinking about a raezer 10er and 12er used together for electric and just one for acoustic gigs. anyone using these or something similar? ns www.nickschillace.com www.myspace.com/nickschillace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 01:34:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319273BEE9; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060210161351.45274.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060210161351.45274.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:34:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: laptop albums? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4dqMMD.A.EdE.Xmn9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:34:15 +0000 (UTC) At 8:13 AM -0800 2/10/06, scott hansen wrote: >after last months topic of laptop performances, >i was wondering if anyone could recommend a laptop album/cd >that they've heard/thought was good. (sorry for the late entry here. but the very day I was about to suggest this, the site I wanted to recommend -- http://www.modsquare.com -- went down to move to a different server. they're finally back up...) Scott, There are three sampler albums published by the Chicago-based Modsquare netlabel: "Ctrl-F2", "Ctrl-Space", and "Ctrl-N". All three predominantly feature music done on laptop (with the occasional oddball cut -- like Bitshifter or Johnny Square, who both do music on Gameboy's). The best part is, they're all free (albeit it's a ~70 meg download for each full album). You can get them either via Modsquare's front page, or directly at: http://www.modsquare.com/music.php Relatedly, while you're there, you might want to surf around to the audio and video sections for the Laptop Cage Matches. These were a series of events here combining Laptronica with pro-wrestling-style cage matches. Makes a nice change from most of the performance criticisms levelled at "tablecore". ;) --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 02:21:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BAE93BEDF; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,125,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="168294462:sNHT22417412" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060217181838.023d5530@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:21:57 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain In-Reply-To: <007801c63397$bfcf7400$0400a8c0@STUDY> References: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:21:56 +0000 (UTC) I believe that Luis was writing of the Fernandes system. With the Retrorocket, the guitar output does not function when the battery is depleted. At 2006.02.16 11:50 PM, Nik wrote: >Not true. >Sustainiac Stealth Plus: with the battery empty, the rest of the guitar >still functions. > >Nik > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:50 AM >Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain > > >>also beware that they are quick battery suckers and >>once it has drained your guitar will be dead! >>Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 02:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41FB93BEE9; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,125,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="168294657:sNHT25420564" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060217182204.023fe380@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:23:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain In-Reply-To: <9050a433596f77f72cbec4b9707712f7@skeletonhome.com> References: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:23:05 +0000 (UTC) With the Fernandes Retrorocket, you can leave the battery in all the time - just remember to unplug the guitar cable. At 2006.02.17 06:26 AM, bruce tovsky wrote: >i remove the battery between uses. lasts much longer >that way. ;-) > >On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: > >>also beware that they are quick battery suckers and >>once it has drained your guitar will be dead! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 02:29:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1433BEF9; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,126,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="168295833:sNHT23689352" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060217182338.023fe128@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:29:15 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets In-Reply-To: References: <24BC8779-BEC1-4917-B96F-874FBA8A8E76@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0Ln6RD.A.ikG.2Zo9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Yeah - there was an article in a recent EM - I don't remember what the article was about but I do remember the recommendation that a UPS is better than something like a standard power condition. The argument was that the power is cleaned up by virtue of always running off the batteries. In other words, when you use a UPS, you don't get power direct from the grid - you get the power after it's been stored in the battery so you get a constant voltage, etc. Any truth to that? At 2006.02.17 02:50 PM, William Walker wrote: >face in place. But I would also suggest you invest in a power /line >conditioner, with as much filtering and RF protection as your budget will >allow...I know, just the thing you want to hear after paying first, last, >and a deposit:( Monster seems to make some good ones, as does furman, but a >dedicated electronic or computer store will have more affordable ones with >battery back up, so you have a minute or two to power down before the power >goes off, during a black out. Other products that will help would be a good From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 02:45:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E10D3BF01; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:45:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060217182338.023fe128@mail02.powweb.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Now you are getting past my level of technical knowhow. All i know is I am dealing with two prongers in my old house and I run two battery backed up power conditioners, an expensive furman, and a not so expensive model I bought at the electronics store. I have not had any shock hazard issues, few ground loop issues, but do continue to experience some brown power issues, mostly corrected by not running any high draw household appliances while recording.. I've had fits lately with static electricity on my strat and tele, crackling noises brought on by dry cold weather, but then again, I have not properly sheilded either guitar, so its my own damn fault;} Bill -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:29 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Yeah - there was an article in a recent EM - I don't remember what the article was about but I do remember the recommendation that a UPS is better than something like a standard power condition. The argument was that the power is cleaned up by virtue of always running off the batteries. In other words, when you use a UPS, you don't get power direct from the grid - you get the power after it's been stored in the battery so you get a constant voltage, etc. Any truth to that? At 2006.02.17 02:50 PM, William Walker wrote: >face in place. But I would also suggest you invest in a power /line >conditioner, with as much filtering and RF protection as your budget will >allow...I know, just the thing you want to hear after paying first, last, >and a deposit:( Monster seems to make some good ones, as does furman, but a >dedicated electronic or computer store will have more affordable ones with >battery back up, so you have a minute or two to power down before the power >goes off, during a black out. Other products that will help would be a good From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 03:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D943BEE8; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:59:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] In-reply-to: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:02:44 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > Things like this are never big money makers, they are labors of love > and very necessary labors of love as new and emerging > artistry is crowded out of this culture's venues. ...as evidenced by the report 20/20 did on Thursday night on Payola in radio. Still going strong. Still keeps all the airplay for the big budget labels, to hell with the rest of us. I have nothing against business and making a profit. In fact, I insist that musicians make a profit. But the Payola system is just greed; greed on the part of commercial radio and greed on the part of major labels not wanting to share the airwaves with little niche markets like where we loopers reside. Thank goodness for non-commercial FM radio and the internet. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 03:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207C73BEE9; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:08:55 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5F2BB24B.0C2C2910.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58089 X-Loop: 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Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Amen brother, good advice. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tony Douglas [mailto:TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Well, sometimes. Read the specs for your prospective UPS very carefully. "Consumer grade" units (ie. cheap ones that are generally used with PCs / comparatively low draw equipment) can vary wildly in exactly what you're getting, with not much upfront warning. "The Big Print Giveth, the Small Print Taketh Away" can apply in spades to cheaper UPSs. Some don't do any power conditioning at all and simply swap to batteries when the power goes out, while some will run you through the rectifier at all times. The first option often comes with an exciting subsecond glitch while the unit recognises there is no power and switches to battery (short, but long enough to take gear down). The other route may provide protection against peaks, but not against brownouts, or it may provide both. Read carefully and spend wisely. Not that I've ever seen anyone caught out by buying a cheap(ish) UPS and not getting the protection they thought they were getting ... As an aside, what are US domestic outlets rated for ? In the UK, I think an outlet is generally rated for 3 kilowatts, so you can run a fairly extensive set of gear off a single socket so long as you don't do anything too daft, like endless daisy chains of four-bars ... - Tony Sean Echevarria wrote: >Yeah - there was an article in a recent EM - I don't remember what the >article was about but I do remember the recommendation that a UPS is better >than something like a standard power condition.  The argument was that the >power is cleaned up by virtue of always running off the batteries.  In >other words, when you use a UPS, you don't get power direct from the grid - >you get the power after it's been stored in the battery so you get a >constant voltage, etc.  Any truth to that? > > >At 2006.02.17 02:50 PM, William Walker wrote: >>face in place.  But I would also suggest you invest in a power /line >>conditioner, with as much filtering and RF protection as your budget will >>allow...I know, just the thing you want to hear after paying first, last, >>and a deposit:( Monster seems to make some good ones, as does furman, but a >>dedicated electronic or computer store will have more affordable ones with >>battery back up, so you have a minute or two to power down before the power >>goes off, during a black out. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 05:52:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0053BEDD; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kybPT9Wb5CnAKg0T9odiUaADr3IQYYnoL72bYppxTfq7Ip9Z5HyQHAj1xvKtAZ2b2Ujwnqw0Ly1WUz+W2+076S+Zy8IH+d/uuxsWgFptf7bIvH94vPi3rhFFCdTwTXR76pAxBAH5NjEaV+92ciVGsC0i/kn6PY3u24LGxA7zbQk= ; Message-ID: <20060218055206.78644.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060217234834.874593BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, First it's good to know what that third wire really means. In one way of looking at it, it's a second ground. Should anything ever go wrong with your equipment and it decides that you make a pretty good electrical path, that third wire can be really nice to have. Since electrical grounding codes are different all over the US, what's kosher for one area might not be for another. Sometimes, the ground and the neutral wires are connected at the fuse box. Other times, the ground is only physically connected to the earth via a grounding pole (sunk 8 feet deep, and usually not under the eaves of your roof unless you live in a very wet area). Usually, it is no longer code to connect to a water pipe, mostly because there's no guarantee that at some point the pipe isn't plastic (or may be at some point in the future), and hence no longer a suitable ground. Unless I'm totally mistaken, that third wire does not necessarily make your electrical audio equipment more or less noisy. That depends more on the configuration of the wiring in the rest of the house. It just makes it safer. Were it me, I'd run a new wire from the fuse or breaker box to my music studio and make sure it had a solid grounding point. Perhaps as was suggested elsewhere, you can do this by getting the 3 to 2 adaptors and grounding out the tab onto the screw in the plate. You'd definately want to make sure of that via one of those there testers. Then I'd plug my whole studio into that new circuit. That's basically what I've done in my home studio. If you have an electrician friend in the area, you can ask them for more specific help. Pretty much everywhere in the country, every single home has three wires running to it, two at 110-120 each, and one ground. The second ground wire is done at each home by some sort of grounding rod. Stephen > Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new apartment. It's > old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the outlets in the house, > every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out now because one of > the many rooms in this beautiful old house is intended as my music > studio. Yikes! > > I'll try to refrain from using my gear while standing in a pool of > water, but is this an unworkable situation for a musician with loads > of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even moved in?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 06:21:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082E33BEE0; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:21:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060218055206.78644.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:21:56 +0000 (UTC) yet more sound advice. Bill -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Zoe, First it's good to know what that third wire really means. In one way of looking at it, it's a second ground. Should anything ever go wrong with your equipment and it decides that you make a pretty good electrical path, that third wire can be really nice to have. Since electrical grounding codes are different all over the US, what's kosher for one area might not be for another. Sometimes, the ground and the neutral wires are connected at the fuse box. Other times, the ground is only physically connected to the earth via a grounding pole (sunk 8 feet deep, and usually not under the eaves of your roof unless you live in a very wet area). Usually, it is no longer code to connect to a water pipe, mostly because there's no guarantee that at some point the pipe isn't plastic (or may be at some point in the future), and hence no longer a suitable ground. Unless I'm totally mistaken, that third wire does not necessarily make your electrical audio equipment more or less noisy. That depends more on the configuration of the wiring in the rest of the house. It just makes it safer. Were it me, I'd run a new wire from the fuse or breaker box to my music studio and make sure it had a solid grounding point. Perhaps as was suggested elsewhere, you can do this by getting the 3 to 2 adaptors and grounding out the tab onto the screw in the plate. You'd definately want to make sure of that via one of those there testers. Then I'd plug my whole studio into that new circuit. That's basically what I've done in my home studio. If you have an electrician friend in the area, you can ask them for more specific help. Pretty much everywhere in the country, every single home has three wires running to it, two at 110-120 each, and one ground. The second ground wire is done at each home by some sort of grounding rod. Stephen > Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new apartment. It's > old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the outlets in the house, > every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out now because one of > the many rooms in this beautiful old house is intended as my music > studio. Yikes! > > I'll try to refrain from using my gear while standing in a pool of > water, but is this an unworkable situation for a musician with loads > of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even moved in?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 06:24:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBE13BEE7; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e401c63454$4e63d320$bcb85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: How do YOU loop? Stanner! Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:26:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:24:17 +0000 (UTC) >> miko say: I play so little these days, that in many ways I thought I was just forgetting all this stuff, but I've started playing a bit more in the last month and realize I've got a new understanding of how I want to move around, and am surprising myself once again. Maybe I CAN evolve!? > stanner retorts > dude-from what i've heard of yer playin-you had bettah NOT B NOT playin! i know i'm a nut-and play every day forever-dont mind me...but 'maybe you can evolve' i'm hopin :-) -i never evolve-i think i'm goin backwards s Thanks Stanitarius Man! In truth, I found myself in a few ruts that just became more and more irritating, so I've had to pull away in disgust! The time off has done me good, and I'm sure I'll churn some more... But it's slow going with school, kid, work, bike, surf, skateboard, rinse, repeat... Anyway... I'm having fun playing again... now I just have to remember to hit 'record' when there's something good going on. Cheerz... -Mikko "The morer I don't play, the betterer I donut get... " Now playing "Rough" www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! http://www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 08:54:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A868A3BEE4; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 8:54:47 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.149.171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060218085445.31A2F252A34@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <8jHzaB.A.4RC.YDu9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Forget the musical equipment. The whole place needs to be rewired with proper safety earth and 3-prong outlets. Don't worry about ground loops and hum. Your problem is going to be killing yourself with your toaster, or Television, or a lamp, or any other electrical accesory. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: 17/02/06 22:12 Hiya Loopers, I apologize for the non-looping nature of this question. But I thought there's gotta be someone on the list who knows about electricity! Or maybe it is related. I'm asking about "ground" loops.... Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new apartment. It's old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the outlets in the house, every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out now because one of the many rooms in this beautiful old house is intended as my music studio. Yikes! I'll try to refrain from using my gear while standing in a pool of water, but is this an unworkable situation for a musician with loads of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even moved in?? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Zoe the cellist ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 09:05:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C83E3BEF6; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uEbxnfCamg22LBvIELd4vgjTamoscvT5WPb8QVbbBn42VUSsIjmt4+LhUqFedQpJtQzj/VMcyP+yAi/kUTcvPtgA6pbXT/PdbIvuaRqsEwQg2VkAiXfRwmtfBStHzxK+fJdcD9c+ZgQmn5oW4P2cq5dCiBYWlNyH63TZfHQqXuc= ; Message-ID: <20060218090510.44448.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060217181838.023d5530@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Sean, yes i was talking about the Fernandes sustainer. Cheers Luis --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > I believe that Luis was writing of the Fernandes > system. With the > Retrorocket, the guitar output does not function > when the battery is depleted. > > > At 2006.02.16 11:50 PM, Nik wrote: > >Not true. > >Sustainiac Stealth Plus: with the battery empty, > the rest of the guitar > >still functions. > > > >Nik > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" > > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:50 AM > >Subject: Re:Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain > > > > > >>also beware that they are quick battery suckers > and > >>once it has drained your guitar will be dead! > >>Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 09:12:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20C23BEFE; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 9:12:27 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.149.171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060218091226.103F1257A63@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:12:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm with STephen. A lot of the solutions suggested do not edequately address the issue of safety,. and probably cost more than replaceing your 2-prong outlets with 3-prong...if a safety ground is available. Running new cable from the fusebox is a hassle, but not expensive in terms of materials. It would be good to know if the in-wall wiring is run in conduit or loose in dry wall or just embedded in plaster. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: 18/02/06 05:52 Zoe, First it's good to know what that third wire really means. In one way of looking at it, it's a second ground. Should anything ever go wrong with your equipment and it decides that you make a pretty good electrical path, that third wire can be really nice to have. Since electrical grounding codes are different all over the US, what's kosher for one area might not be for another. Sometimes, the ground and the neutral wires are connected at the fuse box. Other times, the ground is only physically connected to the earth via a grounding pole (sunk 8 feet deep, and usually not under the eaves of your roof unless you live in a very wet area). Usually, it is no longer code to connect to a water pipe, mostly because there's no guarantee that at some point the pipe isn't plastic (or may be at some point in the future), and hence no longer a suitable ground. Unless I'm totally mistaken, that third wire does not necessarily make your electrical audio equipment more or less noisy. That depends more on the configuration of the wiring in the rest of the house. It just makes it safer. Were it me, I'd run a new wire from the fuse or breaker box to my music studio and make sure it had a solid grounding point. Perhaps as was suggested elsewhere, you can do this by getting the 3 to 2 adaptors and grounding out the tab onto the screw in the plate. You'd definately want to make sure of that via one of those there testers. Then I'd plug my whole studio into that new circuit. That's basically what I've done in my home studio. If you have an electrician friend in the area, you can ask them for more specific help. Pretty much everywhere in the country, every single home has three wires running to it, two at 110-120 each, and one ground. The second ground wire is done at each home by some sort of grounding rod. Stephen ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 09:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E34E3BEDF; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> References: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:33:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:33:58 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 17, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > But the Payola system is just greed; greed on the part of commercial > radio and greed on the part of major labels not wanting to share the > airwaves with little niche markets like where we loopers reside. > Thank goodness for non-commercial FM radio and the internet. what about engaging in payola on the local level? i was looking at what Sony was paying these programming directors in major markets to slide a song they want to push in, and it didn't seem like all that much. in fact, the only one that looked like it was beyond the reach of an independent was the $4,000 they paid to get Franz Ferdinan on a NY top 40 station, which i guess speaks of their music in ways i don't entirely understand but may ramble on about anyway if i were drunk. so i was looking at the numbers, and the listenership and population density of the places where it was going on and figure "hey if Sony can buy a New York programming director for 400 bucks maybe i can nab a local for like 40 bucks." anyone here ever thought about taking their local programming director out for a steak dinner and a strip club to persuade him to put your single in rotation? maybe get him high too or bring a couple grams so he can snort it off a stripper's ass? if you can't beat em, well, you know ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 09:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BFDA3BED2; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:51:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2006 09:51:56.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3F77460:01C63470] Resent-Message-ID: <1S3gfD.A.T6D.94u9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:51:57 +0000 (UTC)
Hi there,
 
What makes us think that the RC-50 will not fade loops out?
 
Rob Cathcart
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 10:27:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03E93BEE4; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:27:37 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.149.171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060218102735.1E57F252C72@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <8BqvZB.A.F-E.aav9DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:27:38 +0000 (UTC) I've not done this with music, b ut I have worked for a pro audio electronics company where this kind of treatment of industry gurus and high profile customers was not uncommen. You know you have won them over when they start paying! I had a lot of fun. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] Date: 18/02/06 09:34 what about engaging in payola on the local level? anyone here ever thought about taking their local programming director out for a steak dinner and a strip club to persuade him to put your single in rotation? maybe get him high too or bring a couple grams so he can snort it off a stripper's ass? if you can't beat em, well, you know ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 14:02:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B73693BED9; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qp1UQd5m7VHOWcxzPDCVT3hqAi8r7INSvaAfDmErd1sSblqYpImEL2HCuLBmhZD7qZna52R/mZGSIM7DuOiCIl3KyPVT1LlwHFKA9FINR8e4++55zTvCxKJmjlLrKOSHIPGAycIYjwAgFkcfkSML/N0Wp5cBhIuVRGiK59AHWzs= ; Message-ID: <20060218140224.54015.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:02:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:26 +0000 (UTC) --- rob cathcart wrote >What makes us think that the RC-50 will not fade loops >out? It's because the feedback is fixed to full and not user-adjustable. I've (sort of) done a workaround on mine by removing the Level and Guide knobs, and replacing the Level knob with a large rubber 'foot' of the type usually found on the bottom of non-castered road cases, making the overall level foot adjustable (and the obnoxious Guide click less likely to come on accidentally). This doesn't help with wanting new loop material to gradually replace the old, though, as would be possible with adjustable feedback. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 15:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64AE13BEE4; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e301c6349c$1037e940$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:00:29 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:00:38 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Saturday, 18 February, 2006 02:59 AM Subject: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] > loop.pool wrote: > >> Things like this are never big money makers, they are labors of love and >> very necessary labors of love as new and emerging >> artistry is crowded out of this culture's venues. > > ...as evidenced by the report 20/20 did on Thursday night on Payola in > radio. Still going strong. Still keeps all the airplay for the big > budget labels, to hell with the rest of us. I have nothing against > business and making a profit. In fact, I insist that musicians make a > profit. But the Payola system is just greed; greed on the part of > commercial radio and greed on the part of major labels not wanting to > share the airwaves with little niche markets like where we loopers reside. > Thank goodness for non-commercial FM radio and the internet. Warning! Rant follows! (some would say what else is new, eh?) Indeed! It's interesting to me - and a little discouraging at times - how business deals that would otherwise be labeled "collusion", "anti-competitive", or to use the actual legal phrase "in restraint of trade", have been allowed to be made over the past 15 or so years. AOL buying their only competitor CompuServe, for example, if not also their assimilation act with Time-Warner. I'm sorry that 20/20 doesn't appear over in the UK - but then such a program as described above would most likely be ignored by the British TV-licensed public, who would be surprised that anyone would object to payola, anti-competitive groups like Clear Channel, or government control of the media. While I used to despair at the state of LA radio in the post-KROQ world, at least there were occasional blips of independent radio before they were bought up by Clear Channel and turned into a piece of the Big Tapioca Machine. A listen to a range of stations in the UK - we've had various groups of workmen in the house here since 2003 - makes one wish for more than bloody revolution, frankly. UK radio is not much more than an extension of the Sales departments of the Big Five, with exceptions like Juice FM and a few rasta pirate stations that pop up only on Saturday night, for instance... and one gets a strong impression that what is thought of elsewhere as an entertainment medium is more of an employment medium. It is as if a bunch of civil servants, middlemen, cigar-chompers and accountants have thought up the idea to maintain a kind of funnel leading to the Marketing Pipeline, in order to catch large numbers of aspiring or wannabe acts, with the supposedly-best finding their way into the Pipeline. What does one get when you're on the consumer end of such a Pipeline? An awful lot of barely-infringingly-duplicated, tone-corrected rubbish that sounds like there aren't any songwriters anymore, just performers of other peoples' material (cut up, resampled, slightly rearranged to have a over-bass hip-hop beat slapped on top of it). James Blunt? Are you kidding me? What's darkly hilarious at times is that such pablum is played on-radio in juxtaposition to Led Zeppelin, which even if you hate Zep still makes the New Crop (er, Crap) sound even less interesting. On the depressing side it presents a reality that doesn't exist - one where there are no more real songwriters, just committees and promo execs that approve what you'll be allowed to hear. Most of us on this list know there are songwriting musicians out there, and that they either cannot bear the idea of dealing with the civil servants, middlemen, cigar-chompers and accountants, or believe that if they did so, they'd just get pimped and robbed, and their material stolen and 'performed' by one of the new breed of Tone Corrected Celebrities. Robert Fripp recently said in his diary that he'd "rather be dragged around England by my left testicle" than deal with record execs etc. The Internet is the Next Frontier. We all know this. The Big Five never anticipated CDs, CDs on computers, P2P, and they just barely got their anti-competitive paws on DVDs. Unfortunately the DVD cat has also been out of the bag for some time, and even non-moving-parts items like USB drives are out of their reach. There is a future for people like us, one that still doesn't involve us crawling across some cigar-chomper's carpet just to have the right to record our work. And now back to cleaning up after yesterday's workmen dust (Fripp calls his 'workmen's pollen'), and clearing out my Mum-in-law's cupboards for the last time. Happy Washington's Birthday too. Yipes. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 15:24:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BFD43BEE7; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WHcoJraFb83r+8fqS7TQKM5YsRzW+J3zNvxMg6pUI/baJF2h9ntFRvCyilzzF+pYNV+ratxXPoNV/ufz8vuTNCQVAKlDfygY63bDmwCk/+wcKzRsjOycRNEZ8SBIrxfTFq7Gx4Miy/tbzvypD6oLErS0JE+MWHz3100Wb6h258g= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:24:39 -0500 From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: raezer cabs In-Reply-To: <008101c6342a$b98b4220$6ec1f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <008101c6342a$b98b4220$6ec1f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:24:41 +0000 (UTC) that sounds like some good leads. i want something light and flexible that will allow for me to play loud and clean with the electric and still and a moderate volume for acoustic. i had a straght fingerstyle gig last night and the venue had some 10 inch ions. i just plugged into my Dtar solstice and straight in the ion and it sounded great. just used one. i wish i had of tried one before i ordered the clarus . .. i just put a 300 watter in my fender concert and have regretted it since first picking it up! On 2/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Those (Raezer's) are very nice cabs, especially for jazz. Several years a= go > I did a fair amount of research on the types of 1X12 guitar cabs that wer= e > available in the market. There aren't a lot, unforunatley. Mesa Boogie > makes a 1X12 cab in three configurations: ported, sealed, and open back. = I > have a ported version, which I absolutely love. It has the 200w EV 12L > speaker in it...not the cheapy force series, but the OEM series (200w and > 300w peak). > > If you can find one, JBL used to make a 1X12 ported cab. I have one, and = it > is an excellent cab too...though I just took out the 300 watt speaker and > put it in my Mesa Boogie Mark I combo amp. It's the Mark I with the tweed > grill and hardwood cabinet, so you can imagine how heavy that sucker is n= ow! > I'll eventually put a 200w EV 12L (OEM) speaker back in the JBL cab, same= as > the Boogie cab. If you ever find one of those JBL cabs, snatch it up. It > took me 2 years to find mine. > > Another option, believe it or not, are the Rocktron Velocity S12 cabs, wh= ich > are also ported and sort of trapazoiz shaped. They are very light, but ve= ry > punchy...I've used them for jazz, rock, fusion, country, etc. Not bad at > all. I still have a pair that I'll probably sell any time. I just need to > replace the handle on one, becuase it is starting to crack. > > There are other options out there, but I narrowed it down to the Boogie, > JBL, and Rocktron. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Schillace" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:43 AM > Subject: raezer cabs > > > i recently bought a series III clarus2r from acoustic image and want > to add some cabs. i was thinking about a raezer 10er and 12er used > together for electric and just one for acoustic gigs. > > anyone using these or something similar? > > ns > www.nickschillace.com > www.myspace.com/nickschillace > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02ED23BEE6; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060217182204.023fe380@mail02.powweb.com> References: <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <20060217005017.20711.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060217182204.023fe380@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Infinite Sustain Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:00:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:00:46 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > With the Fernandes Retrorocket, you can leave the battery in all the > time - just remember to unplug the guitar cable. this is supposedly the case with my model, however i have noticed that even with the cable unplugged and the sustainer switched off there is a battery drain. my battery lasts a lot longer if i just pop it out and put it in my gig bag after playing. cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 17:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC39A3BEEA; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wJxnXOsimilOab9dTjOYxAZBJolxS8jDxO2NAFrpQGIDHYG5UzwldVqjkuMOjLzxClsS+1Zkr0F52XUUw/G4ehUfV+AQFm19+/uqozAiiMP5DsFaSYy6j3IV9b2IiieEnPwIIWDak7fDMFMwHeQAUmQiCRHMTj8j/OlWBg5Q18k= ; Message-ID: <20060218172636.429.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:26:36 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1599585290-1140283596=:99823" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:26:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1599585290-1140283596=:99823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Does anyone know if the Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? And what to buy this days if you are into looping ? Are the Gibson pro still the best ? Rune Fagereng, Norway --0-1599585290-1140283596=:99823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Does anyone know if the  Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? And what to buy this days if you are into looping ?
 
Are the Gibson pro still the best ?
 
Rune Fagereng, Norway 
--0-1599585290-1140283596=:99823-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 18:03:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9743BEE0; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J4XGxmY6DLUnGH8wjquaamcxdrvVF27mDsiYQw4ZCt3kK58y7ctAWlDBBR9yNGpBsLCAn9slWU0fG35m6hkdVYTQJ3hQxiclOpkSy8W0gcDMNRN1flIBwOYxnwu1/fLnrVy1wbYhGF5w+MVwnbilU5thcgQyswZWzelQEkycA04= Message-ID: <64b81a780602181003s4c471435wfbabc48ddf0f74f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:03:34 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets In-Reply-To: <20060218085445.31A2F252A34@smtp.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060218085445.31A2F252A34@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Indeed. I think the only responsible advice is to get an electrician out there and discuss the issue with him. This isn't like asking for advice on how to best route MIDI, this stuff will kill you or start a fire if you're not careful. Hey, you may get lucky. If the wiring is below spec you may be able to get the landlord to pay for the wiring upgrade. Ask the electrician about this. Let the proffessionals handle it. The last thing we want is a dead looper; especially one as talented as Zoe. Todd On 2/18/06, Fluke wrote: > Forget the musical equipment. The whole place needs to be rewired with > proper safety earth and 3-prong outlets. Don't worry about ground loops a= nd > hum. Your problem is going to be killing yourself with your toaster, or > Television, or a lamp, or any other electrical accesory. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets > Date: 17/02/06 22:12 > > > Hiya Loopers, > > I apologize for the non-looping nature of this question. But I > thought there's gotta be someone on the list who knows about > electricity! Or maybe it is related. I'm asking about "ground" loops.... > > Anyway, hours ago I just paid the deposit on a new apartment. It's > old and beautiful and I just noticed....all the outlets in the house, > every freaking one, is 2 prong!! I'm freaking out now because one of > the many rooms in this beautiful old house is intended as my music > studio. Yikes! > > I'll try to refrain from using my gear while standing in a pool of > water, but is this an unworkable situation for a musician with loads > of gear? Do I have to move out before I've even moved in?? > > Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks much, Zoe the cellist > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 19:10:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BCC3BEF7; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QInGhszouomsDizQafx5yVE7hVpbfiJb8uFRtSeJghC7WTtGvrNQozlapO02eCJr+0V+LeMzUHTe4kXceKRha7AU50dkfFTwJkCQ5PhvNITZ4VvLq4AOdBaDAi0pkIs0/tW3zKjUFx7yv69w4z7MTyiiMrhG5DxPqIN25DM9JfY= ; Message-ID: <20060218191054.38784.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: RE: OT: 2-prong outlets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060218180337.6A2BE3BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:10:59 +0000 (UTC) In the US, circuits are usually rated at 15 amps, with occassional 20 amp circuits. The 15 amp circuits require 14 gauge (I believe that you can get away with 16 though), while the 20 amp circuits require 12 gauge. For those of you who are not electrically minded yet are interested, the larger wire gauges like 12, will heat up at a slower rate because they allow more electrons to pass through due to the increase of copper material. The 20 amp circuit breakers are designed to trip only when a heavier load is applied than that which would trip a 15 amp breaker. In the real world applications of a working musician, I have run a dedicated 20 amp circuit to my music studio and I plug everything into it. This is probably 25 or 30 different pieces of gear all being run at the same time. I have not tripped a circuit in the 5 years I've used this setup. Though I wouldn't try that on a 15 amp circuit... That being said, a friend of mine said that he runs all his analog audio gear through one circuit and all his digital gear through another. This is presumably to keep the digital gear from polluting the audio electronics (through the ground). The analog gear would be all tape recorders, mixers, amplifiers, and non digital FX boxes. The digital gear would include computers, modems, routers, most FX, keyboards, sound modules, anything with MIDI, etc. I don't have any problems with the sonic qualities of my studio so I have happily ignored his advice. If I did have issues, I would start with that fix as it seems pretty easy. Ideally, each circuit would be drawing electricity from opposite sides of the breaker box, i.e. separate legs of the two 110v lines. Stephen <> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 18 22:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3CEB3BEE0; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X7omxHLCWQ2tjRRxYXmG+DD1U6gCI0pqAwD5VYkTaZzAs6jEPUm1TZ66q84PDo2RdrLa5BroFBy9mZFtYp0qfhYCzdM+E1FHj+FSA9PsDRPxvszByKYOh+4FqBSXe6rKUjy/ZnIZ0adtEBJPzrfQkvWeiRUDGqQEkhCTLTSngeo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:10:54 -0500 From: "Nick Schillace" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] In-Reply-To: <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) don't fool yourself into thinking that payola doesn't exist in non-commercial/public radio formats. it may not be as well defined as a sack of cash but it happens. we recently had a music director let go at our major npr station for unethical practices falling loosly in this area. i have a close friend who works in public radio and the level of "freebies" go well beyond general promotion/review. beyond that if one was tenacious enough to cross check what radio stations (non-commercial and otherwise) play and what they report they'll find cuffs and collar often don't match. On 2/17/06, Bill Fox wrote: > loop.pool wrote: > > > Things like this are never big money makers, they are labors of love > > and very necessary labors of love as new and emerging > > artistry is crowded out of this culture's venues. > > ...as evidenced by the report 20/20 did on Thursday night on Payola in > radio. Still going strong. Still keeps all the airplay for the big > budget labels, to hell with the rest of us. I have nothing against > business and making a profit. In fact, I insist that musicians make a > profit. But the Payola system is just greed; greed on the part of > commercial radio and greed on the part of major labels not wanting to > share the airwaves with little niche markets like where we loopers > reside. Thank goodness for non-commercial FM radio and the internet. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 01:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F963BEE0; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cLcnKNzwShaM4CKhaPjEW7aiXG48pzyxwdrT9ZaHVSzPXiIWTzdZANJcTZkMAwDFPwrT8o43T8ykBcxH6z+Ty2/sUQj1RmnffmSbe4iDzDCljY7qm/wYFqXjDssFlpBzkAc1y0kBJ+qp6Etliohpo0ZupIjRGfIt/SDV/Af+rhc= ; Message-ID: <20060219011533.75427.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: 'Walk the Line' score To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060218140224.54015.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:15:35 +0000 (UTC) I just saw the Johnny Cash bio-pic 'Walk the Line' and wondered if any of you knew who did the very cool loopage in the score.. None of it seems to be on the soundtrack CD which is full of the songs with lyrics, but not the more atmospheric instrumental tunes. In the credits at the end of the film, I did notice that Bill Frisell was credited, and I think T-Bone Burnett was involved as well, but I haven't been able to find any further details. Great stuff. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 01:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012B63BEF8; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218021841.04697880@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:49:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:45:24 +0000 (UTC) At 01:51 AM 2/18/2006, rob cathcart wrote: >What makes us think that the RC-50 will not fade loops out? The question is not whether it has the ability to "fade loops out". The RC-50 does appear to have that function. The question is whether it has feedback control, which is far more musically useful with looping. The RC-50 does not appear to have feedback control, but we need somebody to try it to find out for sure. It is very clear that Roland so far has not understood the distinction between the two. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 01:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE0933BEF6; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218174941.10dd3e48@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:51:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-Reply-To: <20060218140224.54015.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060218140224.54015.qmail@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:47:18 +0000 (UTC) At 06:02 AM 2/18/2006, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- rob cathcart wrote > >What makes us think that the RC-50 will not fade >loops >out? > >It's because the feedback is fixed to full and not >user-adjustable. > >I've (sort of) done a workaround on mine Tim, do you actually have an RC-50? I didn't know it was shipping yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 01:55:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D097A3BF04; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218175410.10c0fbd0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:59:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper In-Reply-To: <20060218172636.429.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060218172636.429.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0FjA6.A.fvH.XA99DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:55:35 +0000 (UTC) At 09:26 AM 2/18/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know if >the >Electro-Harmonix >2880 Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? hard to say, we haven't heard any reviews yet from somebody who owns one. I think it only just now started shipping so it is a little early. I saw a demo of it at NAMM, but did not get to try it myself. It is hard to get all the details about new products in that environment, or know what it is really like to use, but here is what I wrote about it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200602/msg00283.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 08:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17A783BEEA; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-20 Fade Out Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:38:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2006 08:38:18.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[D53D0980:01C6352F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Kim and thanks for the response.
When I said Fade Out I was indeed refering to Feedback.  The guy that was doing the demo at NAMM indicated to me that feedback was indeed controllable, atho' he was rather vague and did not end up showing me this feature in action.
My question was more trying to determine where the info came from that tells us that there is no feedback control.  Did someone get this info from Roland or what?
Thanks,
Rob Cathcart
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 11:03:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775D33BEFA; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060219030159.0516d088@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:07:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:03:00 +0000 (UTC) At 12:38 AM 2/19/2006, rob cathcart wrote: >Hi Kim and thanks for the response. >When I said Fade Out I was indeed refering to Feedback. The guy that was >doing the demo at NAMM indicated to me that feedback was indeed >controllable, atho' he was rather vague and did not end up showing me this >feature in action. I talked to that demo guy on Thursday of the show, and he didn't know what feedback was when I questioned him about it. I had to explain it to him, and I don't think he really got it. He showed me the Fade function in the menus, but didn't know how to use it. Probably if you saw him after me he had it in his mind that when asked about "feedback" he should say something about this Fade function. My guess is this fade is just a controlled volume ramp after you stop a loop, not feedback. But it would be good to get some confirmation of that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 13:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946153BEF3; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jVZ8dtArIORuQJUlLE9tAeEIOHM3TUOmXIqAxI4p+owDdl2BTU4Y4gzlAybUF6WoyemBIDRci2b54zwp9iFVg8NKTisobOdnfr0LNYWNQDISwS6bBR84IqfXWAHV0FNr1/yqUGnEmDL/dSwekZbakW5IJ6+sbmfJ+Pydb0DYF/s= ; Message-ID: <20060219130249.49787.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:02:49 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218175410.10c0fbd0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1912350818-1140354169=:49785" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:02:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1912350818-1140354169=:49785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Kim Flint ! Regarding EH 2880; "There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop, etc." What loopers does this ? Rune F. Norway Kim Flint skrev: At 09:26 AM 2/18/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know if >the >Electro-Harmonix >2880 Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? hard to say, we haven't heard any reviews yet from somebody who owns one. I think it only just now started shipping so it is a little early. I saw a demo of it at NAMM, but did not get to try it myself. It is hard to get all the details about new products in that environment, or know what it is really like to use, but here is what I wrote about it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200602/msg00283.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --0-1912350818-1140354169=:49785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Kim  Flint !
 
Regarding EH 2880; "There is only one loop. No A/B loops, verse/chorus/bridge, NextLoop,
etc." What loopers does this ?
 
Rune F. Norway 


Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> skrev:
At 09:26 AM 2/18/2006, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if
>the
>Electro-Harmonix
>2880 Super Multi-track Looper are any good ?

hard to say, we haven't heard any reviews yet from somebody who owns one. I
think it only just now started shipping so it is a little early.

I saw a demo of it at NAMM, but did not get to try it myself. It is hard to
get all the details about new products in that environment, or know what it
is really like to use, but here is what I wrote about it:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200602/msg00283.html

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com


--0-1912350818-1140354169=:49785-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 14:41:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2903BF0B; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aKGZLHxTfXga8qieUXfKt+BV6OjMvrkAm/RFg7cDhB+9k8/z/6mW46u6q654BIIzPrfI6mVWIXDTym31ixVM+iyuLoW1SD93ZNuUK5tdyE7HGjT/0U8LS4AZrl6F97FhtYPuZVaQ8ppdqKrIuIkeNNDYVtPNFbNyAkg/8vODAQA= ; Message-ID: <20060219144119.61699.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: RC-20 Fade Out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:41:22 +0000 (UTC) For some reason Kim's posts aren't showing up in my inbox, but when I checked the archive to see what Roger was replying to I saw that Kim was asking me if I actually have an RC-50 yet. Nope. As far I know, they indeed haven't shipped yet. My knob mod is on an original (non-xl) RC-20, which matches the subject line... (My Headrush has the same mod; while it's not as useful as the Rang's roller wheel, it does add a little functionality to the unit.) When I saw the original posting of the RC-50 pics a couple of months ago, I thought it'd be pretty useful, but the later thread in which the full feature set was discussed left me really wishing they'd been able to make the feedback user-controllable. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 18:47:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23B103BF0D; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43F8BE16.10202@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:51:02 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> <43F616AD.6020607@unguitar.com> <6CC22EC4-2425-493B-8D47-3A99CC3240AA@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-gE2CB.A.5GC.p0L-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, yes, I was meaning that. Actually that is the reason why I am looking for an audio card which has a mixer with no latency ( like Rme's direct monitor) that can handle nice routings and whose faders can be controlled via midi. I don't want to run my source signal via any software, But I need to monitor it via the sound card ( because I will use its mixer to split the source signal to several hardware processors whose outputs will go back to the sound card). Have I been understandable ? ;-) luca Per Boysen wrote: >> On 17 feb 2006, at 19.32, Luca Formentini wrote: >> >>> Are you passing all your signal through live mixer ? >> > > On 17 feb 2006, at 20.27, Per Boysen wrote: > >> >> Yes, sometimes. > > > > I have to jump in here to make myself clear. If you meant the direct > instrument (live input) signal I do not run it through any software > at all. The reason for that is to stay out of phasing problems caused > by latency. When writing the post I was thinking that you meant the > signals coming out of Mobius (my live looping), and these signals I > do of course pass through the mixer in Ableton Live. To me that's the > point of using Live, as a plain mixer and routing patch-bay for audio > and MIDI control data. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 18:49:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E023BF11; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:14 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43F8BC7E.8040809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Nick Schillace wrote: >don't fool yourself into thinking that payola doesn't exist in >non-commercial/public radio formats. it may not be as well defined as >a sack of cash but it happens. we recently had a music director let go >at our major npr station for unethical practices falling loosly in >this area. i have a close friend who works in public radio and the >level of "freebies" go well beyond general promotion/review. beyond >that if one was tenacious enough to cross check what radio stations >(non-commercial and otherwise) play and what they report they'll find >cuffs and collar often don't match. > Oooh! How do *I* get some of that!?!?!? ;-) I'll bet it doesn't amount to the US$800k that SONY paid to get one single into the top ten. How many singles get there due to payola? We're talking big bux. No wonder the CD has gone up, not down in price since its introduction. While I'm sure payola of some form (and small magnitude) happens in non-commercial radio, it is beyond my personal experience in my local market. I volunteer at a college station and an NPR member station. The influence of both stations combined is minuscule in the general market place of the Lehigh Valley. But my shows have been known to spur CD sales. In the niche markets of prog rock and electronic music, that's doing REAL GOOD!! ...but not worth more than the price of a promo disc, one sheet, mailer, and postage. I can't help but wonder what that music director you mentioned did. Can your friend let us know what kind of freebies are being thown about? Or possibly the sources? (No names, just generalities of job description and deeds done will do.) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 18:55:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6B863BF18; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060219030159.0516d088@loopers-delight.com> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:55:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2006 18:55:16.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[05E9B550:01C63586] Resent-Message-ID: <5uz3kB.A.uXC.X8L-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC)

Yeah, let's just get some shredder to demo the thing.  He'll play so obnoxiously that know one will even get close enuff to ask him anything.  I had to get rude just to get him to break his spiel and answer a few questions, which, as you say, he didn't do very well.  Well I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Roland didn't leave out this feature.  Hard to believe, but then again not that hard, that they would.  Didn't R&D used to involve end users' feedback ;)

Hoping against hope,

Rob Cathcart



 

>I talked to that demo guy on Thursday of the show, and he didn't
>know what feedback was when I questioned him about it. I had to
>explain it to him, and I don't think he really got it. He showed me
>the Fade function in the menus, but didn't know how to use it.
>Probably if you saw him after me he had it in his mind that when
>asked about "feedback" he should say something about this Fade
>function. My guess is this fade is just a controlled volume ramp
>after you stop a loop, not feedback. But it would be good to get
>some confirmation of that.
>
>kim
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
>kflint@loopers-delight.com    | http://www.loopers-delight.com
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 19:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA8BB3BF19; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:02:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218021841.04697880@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43F8C0A8.9060607@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218021841.04697880@loopers-delight.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:51 AM 2/18/2006, rob cathcart wrote: > >> What makes us think that the RC-50 will not fade loops out? > > The question is not whether it has the ability to "fade loops out". > The RC-50 does appear to have that function. > The question is whether it has feedback control, which is far more > musically useful with looping. The RC-50 does not appear to have > feedback control, but we need somebody to try it to find out for sure. > It is very clear that Roland so far has not understood the distinction > between the two. Perhaps I'm a bit dense. I totally understand the concept of feedback in the world of delay units. Without feedback, a delay happens only once. With feedback of less than unity gain, there are repeats that decay over time. With feedback at unity gain, you have a delayed signal repeats forever... like a loop. With feedback greater than unity gain, the volume builds up on each repetition. But a loop, by any definition I know, doesn't need any feedback in order to, um, loop ad infintitum. Being the owner of only a Boss RC-20 and an Akai Headrush, what am I not understanding? In the world of looping, what is the purpose of feedback? A tape loop does not have feedback. It is a length of tape that has been spliced into a loop and plays as long as you desire. It will not change in volume over time. Perhaps loopers such as EDP, etc. are different than the tape loop analogy and are closer to the delay concept, à la three head tape machines, analog and digital delays? Thus making the looper appellation a slight (but not total) misnomer? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 19:28:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C523BF1D; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.179.152.103] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43F8C0A8.9060607@soundscapes.us> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:28:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2006 19:28:38.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[AECBD230:01C6358A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:28:40 +0000 (UTC) daniel brothier wrote about lexicon feedback When and what i listen with feedback with the pcm 80, it's when the sound continue to grow on the loop and definitlly alter and change the sound all along the duration. I must control the volume land the input level of the incoming signal with a volume pédal. Sometimes the pcm don't like it at all, so i must reinstall everything, but it's rare. And there's a kind of pretty and dirty feedback physical distortion. Each machine has his her own feedback ? >From: Bill Fox >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:02:00 -0500 > >Kim Flint wrote: > >>At 01:51 AM 2/18/2006, rob cathcart wrote: >> >>>What makes us think that the RC-50 will not fade loops out? >> >>The question is not whether it has the ability to "fade loops out". The >>RC-50 does appear to have that function. >>The question is whether it has feedback control, which is far more >>musically useful with looping. The RC-50 does not appear to have feedback >>control, but we need somebody to try it to find out for sure. >>It is very clear that Roland so far has not understood the distinction >>between the two. > >Perhaps I'm a bit dense. I totally understand the concept of feedback in >the world of delay units. Without feedback, a delay happens only once. >With feedback of less than unity gain, there are repeats that decay over >time. With feedback at unity gain, you have a delayed signal repeats >forever... like a loop. With feedback greater than unity gain, the volume >builds up on each repetition. But a loop, by any definition I know, >doesn't need any feedback in order to, um, loop ad infintitum. Being the >owner of only a Boss RC-20 and an Akai Headrush, what am I not >understanding? In the world of looping, what is the purpose of feedback? >A tape loop does not have feedback. It is a length of tape that has been >spliced into a loop and plays as long as you desire. It will not change in >volume over time. Perhaps loopers such as EDP, etc. are different than the >tape loop analogy and are closer to the delay concept, à la three head tape >machines, analog and digital delays? Thus making the looper appellation a >slight (but not total) misnomer? > >Cheers, > >Bill > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail : créez votre adresse e-mail gratuite & à vie ! http://www.imagine-msn.com/hotmail/default.aspx?locale=fr-fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 20:04:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA073BF1B; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43F8BE16.10202@unguitar.com> References: <000301c6333e$ea4b9a50$0601a8c0@succubus> <5E4906C7-AE81-4734-A782-39BB93B6ADEE@boysen.se> <006701c63393$18790030$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <43F60284.4030005@unguitar.com> <6F1B19A5-1FCB-4265-80D4-4317B5302CA7@boysen.se> <43F616AD.6020607@unguitar.com> <6CC22EC4-2425-493B-8D47-3A99CC3240AA@boysen.se> <43F8BE16.10202@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <367745FC-E49C-49BE-99C1-E0EF7FDD87C8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi control of audio routing for Mobius Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:04:30 +0000 (UTC) On 19 feb 2006, at 19.51, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi Per, > yes, I was meaning that. > Actually that is the reason why I am looking for an audio card > which has a mixer with no latency ( like Rme's direct monitor) that > can handle nice routings and whose faders can be controlled via midi. > I don't want to run my source signal via any software, But I need > to monitor it via the sound card ( because I will use its mixer to > split the source signal to several hardware processors whose > outputs will go back to the sound card). > Have I been understandable ? Yes, I hear you. When bringing EDP + laptop to gigs I use to run my instrument into one soundcard input 1(RME Multiface). Then I use the RME Totalmix software to split it: one signal going into the software and one signal going directly out through the RME monitoring output and into the EDP. From the EDP comes back only the looped audio which goes into input 2. Now, with that fix I can apply software treatments to (a) my direct instrument signal and (b) my EDP loops. This, my experience, makes for a good pilot test of what you want to do and I'm happy to tell you it works perfectly, without latency between the direct signal and the signal sent to the EDP. But you also want to dynamically control the RME Totalmix by external MIDI and I'm not sure that is possible. I'm not doing it and I have only heard of it in relation to LC Xmu, which is OS X only. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 20:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82CBD3BEF8; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=spTtHT/ma4aiEIRwNl/ifxAnd5xYPKDmBPUYH3ye5KpNhhNSppNhQtO7KHOrgH2VGbnbKWuXNW4l44jlM6E3BRYmSvMcR1IuU3fgr/5ZYjotsbFjS0UhDFd/L+dsiDMCRPMAaUEq38vJisqGa7uUEZVwcNuOvwsjlBriB/577qg= Message-ID: <64b81a780602191224m722c6d43wa5e307af0ea9a0bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:24:08 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-Reply-To: <43F8C0A8.9060607@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218021841.04697880@loopers-delight.com> <43F8C0A8.9060607@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Bill, You're on the right track with feedback. Indeed, for a looper to loop indefinitely, feedback would be at unity gain or 100%. However, if you want the loop to slowly change over time as you add new bits and old bits fade to nothingness you'd want feedback set at something less than 100%. If feedback is set at 97% for example, it takes so long for the old stuff to fade out that a listener may be ignorant of the subtle changes until a half-hour later they find the loop is completely different from where they started. Conversly, if a musician wanted to quickly get rid of a section they may set feedback to something like 50%, where the next time around the existing material will only be half as loud and new stuff will easily cover it. Being able to control this feedback level (usually with a pedal) is obviously a major boon to loopers. It turns the loop into a living entity, growing and changing over time versus a static loop with overdubs (and perhaps undos). Todd On 2/19/06, Bill Fox wrote: > Perhaps I'm a bit dense. I totally understand the concept of feedback > in the world of delay units. Without feedback, a delay happens only > once. With feedback of less than unity gain, there are repeats that > decay over time. With feedback at unity gain, you have a delayed signal > repeats forever... like a loop. With feedback greater than unity gain, > the volume builds up on each repetition. But a loop, by any definition > I know, doesn't need any feedback in order to, um, loop ad infintitum. > Being the owner of only a Boss RC-20 and an Akai Headrush, what am I not > understanding? In the world of looping, what is the purpose of > feedback? A tape loop does not have feedback. It is a length of tape > that has been spliced into a loop and plays as long as you desire. It > will not change in volume over time. Perhaps loopers such as EDP, etc. > are different than the tape loop analogy and are closer to the delay > concept, =E0 la three head tape machines, analog and digital delays? Thu= s > making the looper appellation a slight (but not total) misnomer? > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 22:57:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 613593BF17; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8899F61C-EE07-43D3-8C31-7CB3B00A5B4B@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:01:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Two short paragraphs and a parenthetical comment on Let The Power Fall: Let The Power Fall documents Robert Fripp taking looping out of the studio and taking it on tour to an audience. Let The Power Fall is naked looping. No solos over the top. No other material. Just the construction and evolution of loops. (My understanding is that on the tour, he would actually rewind the tape and solo over it. One doesn't, however, get that on the record. It's all about the loops.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 23:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E383BF12; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060219183544.0141a540@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:35:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's In-Reply-To: <8899F61C-EE07-43D3-8C31-7CB3B00A5B4B@baymoon.com> References: <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:33:58 +0000 (UTC) > >(My understanding is that on the tour, he would actually rewind the >tape and solo over it. One doesn't, however, get that on the record. >It's all about the loops.) > It's not that he would rewind the tape and solo over it in performance, rather he would sometimes solo over the loopage without injecting the solo into the loop. Those solo notes were never recorded onto the tape used to create the Frippertronics loops. Therefore the album, which was mastered from the Frippertronics tape, documents only the looping without capturing what, if anything, he played over the top during the performance. Hoping I said that right, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 23:45:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9373B3BF19; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060218091226.103F1257A63@smtp.nildram.co.uk> References: <20060218091226.103F1257A63@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <256B0983-2E44-4FDE-BC67-F9F2BAED33ED@zoekeating.com> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:45:53 -0800 To: "Fluke" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: def7dac5-a1a1-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:45:59 +0000 (UTC) boy I'm confused! The landlord has no idea, just says the electricity was "upgraded" in the 1960's and that he's not paying to have it done again... On Feb 18, 2006, at 1:12 AM, Fluke wrote: > I'm with STephen. A lot of the solutions suggested do not > edequately address > the issue of safety,. and probably cost more than replaceing your 2- > prong > outlets with 3-prong...if a safety ground is available. Running new > cable > from the fusebox is a hassle, but not expensive in terms of > materials. It > would be good to know if the in-wall wiring is run in conduit or > loose in > dry wall or just embedded in plaster. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets > Date: 18/02/06 05:52 > > > > Zoe, > > First it's good to know what that third wire really means. In one > way of > looking at it, it's > a second ground. Should anything ever go wrong with your equipment > and it > decides that you make a > pretty good electrical path, that third wire can be really nice to > have. > > Since electrical grounding codes are different all over the US, what's > kosher for one area > might not be for another. Sometimes, the ground and the neutral > wires are > connected at the fuse > box. Other times, the ground is only physically connected to the > earth via a > grounding pole (sunk > 8 feet deep, and usually not under the eaves of your roof unless > you live in > a very wet area). > Usually, it is no longer code to connect to a water pipe, mostly > because > there's no guarantee that > at some point the pipe isn't plastic (or may be at some point in the > future), and hence no longer > a suitable ground. > > Unless I'm totally mistaken, that third wire does not necessarily > make your > electrical audio > equipment more or less noisy. That depends more on the > configuration of the > wiring in the rest of > the house. It just makes it safer. > > Were it me, I'd run a new wire from the fuse or breaker box to my > music > studio and make sure > it had a solid grounding point. Perhaps as was suggested elsewhere, > you can > do this by getting > the 3 to 2 adaptors and grounding out the tab onto the screw in the > plate. > You'd definately want > to make sure of that via one of those there testers. Then I'd plug > my whole > studio into that new > circuit. That's basically what I've done in my home studio. If you > have an > electrician friend in > the area, you can ask them for more specific help. Pretty much > everywhere in > the country, every > single home has three wires running to it, two at 110-120 each, and > one > ground. The second ground > wire is done at each home by some sort of grounding rod. > > Stephen > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 19 23:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA9673BF1E; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602181003s4c471435wfbabc48ddf0f74f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060218085445.31A2F252A34@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <64b81a780602181003s4c471435wfbabc48ddf0f74f8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FC24646-354E-4547-A177-D2109CADD58B@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:46:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: fedc4ef0-a1a1-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:46:50 +0000 (UTC) > LOL! thanks...;) > Let the proffessionals handle it. The last thing we want is a dead > looper; especially one as talented as Zoe. > > Todd > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 00:22:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86EF63BF17; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c635b3$aae302a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6.1.2.0.2.20060212233031.043ae480@annihilist.com> <001f01c63166$8a97fec0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <3.0.6.32.20060219183544.0141a540@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:21:58 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <97hjr.A.CLG.wuQ-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:22:08 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick douglas" To: Sent: Sunday, 19 February, 2006 23:35 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's > > >>(My understanding is that on the tour, he would actually rewind the >>tape and solo over it. One doesn't, however, get that on the record. >>It's all about the loops.) >> > > It's not that he would rewind the tape and solo over it in performance, > rather he would sometimes solo over the loopage without injecting the solo > into the loop. Those solo notes were never recorded onto the tape used to > create the Frippertronics loops. Therefore the album, which was mastered > from the Frippertronics tape, documents only the looping without capturing > what, if anything, he played over the top during the performance. This is what it sounds like on a recording of Fripp and Eno at the Astoria London, 1975. At various points he closes the loop and plays on top of it. An additional note about Under Heavy Manners was that apparently during Zero of the Signified, the tape broke, but Fripp had the master loop to later overdub that fast arpeggio onto. I don't remember the exact liner notes though, it's been a couple of decades. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 00:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68A53BF20; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a9.479f1c2f.312a6aa3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:43:15 EST Subject: HENRI DARGER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a9.479f1c2f.312a6aa3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:43:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1a9.479f1c2f.312a6aa3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit went over to the WARHOL yesterday to see the DARGER show.....MINDBLOWING!!!!!.....became familiar with him thru an NPR special.....check him out....."HE" crushed me!......*****.....mic n.p. 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 --part1_1a9.479f1c2f.312a6aa3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 01:43:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158223BF19; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ORb1mwfxmt4CNBT96UtqdhSTDwgyxzGpW5ZnRe2NLn7/OwDmcqIy7jDzj1LnmqX/vQYbTTWS9le+wo0PGhaC95AW2Job026V4SxHb8IICwsp6txXqiCPmo5kCjvACAc3f78ZRCxAsUipVSmxOXmRS2zmaXq21vC1Y28rUgDddg0= ; Message-ID: <20060220014344.15723.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060218172636.429.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Hard to say what is "best." Dangerous to speak in such terms. Perhaps the question you should ask is, "here's what I want to do... what looper works this way?" The 2880 is only recently shipping so who knows. Those lucky enough to get a Looperlative seem to think it's the next big thing, but not something that would replace an EDP... unless you want multipal stereo loops from one box. I love the Repeater, but it's been (and probably will be) out of production forever. However, if you want a looper that can follow a MIDI clock even if it changes, there is no other box than a Repeater. Lots of people are finding what they need in software too. Now's a great time to be a looper, as there are lots of choices... but it's also a confusing time... there are days I still wish I had my JamMan. Mark --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Does anyone know if the Electro-Harmonix 2880 > Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? And what to > buy this days if you are into looping ? > > Are the Gibson pro still the best ? > > Rune Fagereng, Norway > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 02:16:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C063BF19; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=o7BfNWoZc0cssarPEyaEpvTsClsisBBqHiXu/R7kNx5D6lIZonnaoSleMAnzNtxc; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006212022435510@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:24:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402e2bdd9cf1e7138b2dbaf50250575cb3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:16:27 +0000 (UTC) A decent rant, amigo. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Stephen Goodman > To: > Date: 2/18/2006 10:00:38 AM > Subject: Re: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Fox" > To: > Sent: Saturday, 18 February, 2006 02:59 AM > Subject: PAYOLA [was: HOUSE CONCERTS] > > > > loop.pool wrote: > > > >> Things like this are never big money makers, they are labors of love and > >> very necessary labors of love as new and emerging > >> artistry is crowded out of this culture's venues. > > > > ...as evidenced by the report 20/20 did on Thursday night on Payola in > > radio. Still going strong. Still keeps all the airplay for the big > > budget labels, to hell with the rest of us. I have nothing against > > business and making a profit. In fact, I insist that musicians make a > > profit. But the Payola system is just greed; greed on the part of > > commercial radio and greed on the part of major labels not wanting to > > share the airwaves with little niche markets like where we loopers reside. > > Thank goodness for non-commercial FM radio and the internet. > > Warning! Rant follows! (some would say what else is new, eh?) > > Indeed! It's interesting to me - and a little discouraging at times - how > business deals that would otherwise be labeled "collusion", > "anti-competitive", or to use the actual legal phrase "in restraint of > trade", have been allowed to be made over the past 15 or so years. AOL > buying their only competitor CompuServe, for example, if not also their > assimilation act with Time-Warner. I'm sorry that 20/20 doesn't appear over > in the UK - but then such a program as described above would most likely be > ignored by the British TV-licensed public, who would be surprised that > anyone would object to payola, anti-competitive groups like Clear Channel, > or government control of the media. > > While I used to despair at the state of LA radio in the post-KROQ world, at > least there were occasional blips of independent radio before they were > bought up by Clear Channel and turned into a piece of the Big Tapioca > Machine. A listen to a range of stations in the UK - we've had various > groups of workmen in the house here since 2003 - makes one wish for more > than bloody revolution, frankly. UK radio is not much more than an > extension of the Sales departments of the Big Five, with exceptions like > Juice FM and a few rasta pirate stations that pop up only on Saturday night, > for instance... and one gets a strong impression that what is thought of > elsewhere as an entertainment medium is more of an employment medium. It is > as if a bunch of civil servants, middlemen, cigar-chompers and accountants > have thought up the idea to maintain a kind of funnel leading to the > Marketing Pipeline, in order to catch large numbers of aspiring or wannabe > acts, with the supposedly-best finding their way into the Pipeline. > > What does one get when you're on the consumer end of such a Pipeline? An > awful lot of barely-infringingly-duplicated, tone-corrected rubbish that > sounds like there aren't any songwriters anymore, just performers of other > peoples' material (cut up, resampled, slightly rearranged to have a > over-bass hip-hop beat slapped on top of it). James Blunt? Are you kidding > me? What's darkly hilarious at times is that such pablum is played on-radio > in juxtaposition to Led Zeppelin, which even if you hate Zep still makes the > New Crop (er, Crap) sound even less interesting. On the depressing side it > presents a reality that doesn't exist - one where there are no more real > songwriters, just committees and promo execs that approve what you'll be > allowed to hear. > > Most of us on this list know there are songwriting musicians out there, and > that they either cannot bear the idea of dealing with the civil servants, > middlemen, cigar-chompers and accountants, or believe that if they did so, > they'd just get pimped and robbed, and their material stolen and 'performed' > by one of the new breed of Tone Corrected Celebrities. Robert Fripp > recently said in his diary that he'd "rather be dragged around England by my > left testicle" than deal with record execs etc. > > The Internet is the Next Frontier. We all know this. The Big Five never > anticipated CDs, CDs on computers, P2P, and they just barely got their > anti-competitive paws on DVDs. Unfortunately the DVD cat has also been out > of the bag for some time, and even non-moving-parts items like USB drives > are out of their reach. There is a future for people like us, one that > still doesn't involve us crawling across some cigar-chomper's carpet just to > have the right to record our work. > > And now back to cleaning up after yesterday's workmen dust (Fripp calls his > 'workmen's pollen'), and clearing out my Mum-in-law's cupboards for the last > time. > > Happy Washington's Birthday too. Yipes. > Stephen Goodman > > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! > * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 02:19:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55DDC3BF28; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:18:55 EST Subject: Re: HENRI DARGER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b7.698df671.312a810f_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:19:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_b7.698df671.312a810f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:43:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > went over to the WARHOL yesterday to see the DARGER > show.....MINDBLOWING!!!!!.....became familiar with him thru an NPR special.....check him > out....."HE" crushed me!......*****.....mic -The Darger film by bat area film maker Jessica Ju is a must see.... beautiful. aslo features an excellent score by jef(?) beal. fanstastic. RA "... on the magic night the animals will talk, the sky will be like milk..." --part1_b7.698df671.312a810f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:43:4= 5 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:

went over to the WARHOL yesterd= ay to see the DARGER show.....MINDBLOWING!!!!!.....became familiar with him=20= thru an NPR special.....check him out....."HE" crushed me!......*****.....mi= c


-The Darger film by bat area film maker Jessica Ju is a must see.... beautif= ul.
aslo features an excellent score by jef(?) beal. fanstastic.

RA
       "... on the magic night the animals wil= l talk, the sky will be like milk..." --part1_b7.698df671.312a810f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 02:56:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61BAB3BF26; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602191224m722c6d43wa5e307af0ea9a0bc@mail.gmail.com> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:56:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2006 02:56:39.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[457C9910:01C635C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:56:43 +0000 (UTC)

Get ahold of some of Robert Fripp's soundscapes and you will get a feeling for what can be done with feedback.  As Todd mentioned, the wall of sound is constanly shifting in and out and eventually morphs into something "completely different".  Understand that Mr Fripp is perhaps a bit ahead of most of the rest of us........................ ;)

Rob Cathcart 


>Being able to control this feedback level (usually with a pedal) is
>obviously a major boon to loopers.  It turns the loop into a living
>entity, growing and changing over time versus a static loop with
>overdubs (and perhaps undos).
>
>Todd

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 05:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3743BF20; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060219183544.0141a540@pop.mindspring.com> Thread-Index: AcY1rPSKkDa/A0ORS6SC5JQKFsc6kQALYNQg X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:06:51 +0000 (UTC) I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and start tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, but any tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give that mono loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, but that isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been happily just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more movement L & R. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:07:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74BE43BF29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011101c635e3$f6b149a0$6ab0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:07:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 478, in=226210, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:07:47 +0000 (UTC) How about some good ol' fashion stereo chorus? (just a light touch, rate at about 35 or 40, depth at 50, mix at 50%). I've used this before to spicen up a mono track. Actually, this is exactly what I do when I record directly into a mono input of my DigiDesign mBox with ProTools. I add stereo chorus, stereo reverb (which decays from left to right), and most importantly a stereo delay, about 575ms on the left and 780ms on the right to generate a slightly staggered delayed effect (as I find ping pong delay a bit too distracting). Steinberg's Wavelab comes with a stereo separating VST plugin that I like a lot as well, but I use it to further "stereoize" an already stereo track. I don't think it will work with a mono track, because is further separates already separate waveforms. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Faux Stereo Looping > I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and start > tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, but any > tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give that mono > loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, but that > isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been happily > just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more > movement > L & R. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:09:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8312D3BF29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" , "Dark Seeds" Subject: the PiNG presents Kathode + Michael Dobinson Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:10:32 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c635e4$5b220690$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:09:38 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday February 21st . Kathode + Michael Dobinson Kathode - TV Loopback AV Modulation In the opening set, Kathode (Tomasz Krakowiak) returns to the=20 PiNG and plugs in to capture and sample live video of the ambient=20 landscape which will then be decoded and manipulated into audio=20 signal and played to create an instant environmental score of the=20 evening's movements. video frequencies <=3D> audio frequencies=20 http://tmhniyl.net/kathode It may seem perverse for this time of year, but yes ... the music=20 for February 21st will be celebrating the cold. For the second set, Michael Dobinson, the 905-area based=20 composer/improvisor/computer musician, will present 4 works=20 (or more, if the mood is right) using every electroascoustic=20 means at his disposal to create and explore the depths,=20 heights, and sideways of cold. Perhaps you'll get a different view of the season this evening ...=20 an existential look at coldness, an insight into a different way to=20 look at winter, a celebration of the season that to an extent=20 defines our country. Michael Dobinson trained as a classical composer first at York=20 University (BFA Honours, Music) and then at the University of=20 Western Ontario (MMus, Composition). He has been working in=20 the electronic music medium since 1989. His first electronic works=20 were actually created in a "classical" analog studio, on reel to=20 reel tape. Since that time, he's worked almost exclusively in the=20 field of live electronic music, working with synthesizers, effects=20 and computers to keep electronic music in real time, out of=20 studios, and burning with the energy of live inspiration=20 and improvisation. In COLD, he'll be offering up a selection of music reflecting his=20 eclectic interests, with invocations of the icy moons of Saturn,=20 a SYNTHI analog synthesizer, the sounds of wintertime Ontario,=20 music inspired by the music of the Japanese shakuhachi reflected=20 by the electric recorder, drum sequencing, classical forms,=20 granular synthesis (some of these are combined into the=20 same piece of course), and much more. ... if it's not cool outside it will be inside. http://www.mrde-music.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . Muzik for Insomniaks by Mark Mothersbaugh With all the disneyfried DEV.2O buzz about, we thought we=20 would take a trip back to 1988 and have a listen to this wacky=20 and wonderful instrumental CD by DEVO founding member=20 Mark Mothersbaugh. http://www.mutato.com Between Sets CD . In Which One May Descend by Pholde This week we feature In Which One May Descend, a beautiful=20 and unique disc of sound sculpture by Alan Bloor's Pholde project.=20 Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below=20 and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. Note that Pholde returns=20 to the PiNG for a set on April 11th =3D> don't miss it. http://www.theambientping.com/pholde/home.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG Tuesday February 28th . NOiNO=20 (Jim Bailey, Matthew Poulakakis & Jamie Todd) NOiNO . the sound exploration aggregate made up of Jim Bailey=20 (Six Heads and Odradek), Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats=20 and Solipsystem) and Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, SADU,=20 SYLKEN and URM) returns to the PiNG for their second=20 ever live performance. Formed in the fall of 2005 on the PiNG stage when three friends=20 who had long discussed a musical gathering, jumped at the=20 opportunity to perform together as a last minute fill-in act for=20 a Planet of the Loops performance. Improvising with old-school=20 and new-school looping techniques (analog tape and synths,=20 digital delays and loopers along with virtual samplers, delays=20 and synths), the three got caught in the loop and found=20 a common voice which has inspired them to explore further. An improvised collage of found, percussive and synthetic sounds=20 will be served . . . mutated . . . manipulated . . . mangled . . . for this second sonic sojourn of NOiNO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Pholde . "In Which One May Descend"=20 Alan Bloor has long been one of my favorite artists in the=20 experimental/improvisational genre, a truly distinct talent who's=20 work is breathtakingly unique. Creating sculptures from random=20 metal pieces and using their inherent sound and resonance to=20 play them as instruments he makes some of the most incredible=20 work I've ever heard, emotional, engaging and strangely organic=20 despite the soundsource. With the release of "In Which One May Descend" under his project=20 Pholde (a quieter less processed exploration of metal's charms as=20 opposed to his extreme noise project Knurl), Alan has once again=20 tapped into a world of previously unheard music. Featuring two=20 long form tracks recorded live without overdubs ("To the Exclusion=20 of the Alternative" and "Deposition of a Layer"), the disc fully=20 captures the essence and ideal of Alan's work. Through light=20 scraping and bowing of the sculpture used for this recording,=20 "To the Exclusion of the Alternative" features a steady drone-like=20 undertone over which occasional sounds rise and fall in an almost=20 fluid way, building in number until they take control of the piece=20 and move it in new directions. "Deposition of a Layer" follows a=20 similar path, but remains unique in it's flow and arrangement,=20 enabling the listener to imagine different environments and=20 atmospheres specific to itself. Beautiful and unique, the work of Pholde never ceases to delight=20 and inspire me. "In Which One May Descend" continues in this vein,=20 and is a work of truly fascinating music that will delight fans of=20 Alan's previous work and will hopefully draw attention to more=20 people who are willing to open their ears to new sounds and ideas.=20 Highly recommended. "In Which One May Descend" by Pholde=20 is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/PHOLDEinwhich.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday, February 20th . MICHIGAN NOISE SICK LLAMA - COTTON MUSEUM - OFFENSIVE ORANGE 8 pm . @ The Underground . 41 Catharine St. N. Hamilton . $7 * Wednesday, February 22nd . Earwitness Productions presents: Eve Egoyan (piano) and Andrew Smith (cello) in the world=20 premi=E8re of "Ballad" by Linda Catlin Smith 8 pm . Glenn Gould Studio . 250 Front St. West $15/ $10 students and seniors =20 * Thursday February 23rd . Nobuo Kubota, Dads, Dougal=20 Bichan's Bithcin', Yucca Lost-Tribe Fellowship & Rape Babies 9pm . @ the Bagel . 285 College St. . PWYC * Friday, February 24th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i-=A0Montgolfiere w/ Harry Simpson- drums;=20 guy leblanc- trombone, bass clarinet and percussion;=20 Rob Clutton- bass; Arnd Jurgensen- guitar, trumpet and mbira ii-=A0Keith/Hansen=A0w/=A0michael keith- guitar, mike hansen- = turntable iii-=A0Paul Newman w/ guests w/ paul newman- tenor sax + guests 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 . $10/6 =20 * Friday February 24th . TOCA LOCA: VORTEX TEMPORUM Residency Concert #1=20 Toca Loca performs works by "spectral music" composers=20 Gerard Grisey + Phillippe Leroux=20 8PM . The Music Gallery . 197 John St. $20 regular/$15 member + senior/$10 student =20 Saturday, February 25th . Vague Terrain presents POLMO POLPO, SANS SOLEIL and NAW=20 with DJ GREG CLOW and visuals by SARAH MOONEY Art Bar at The Gladstone Hotel, 1214 Queen St. W. 9 PM to 2 AM . 19+ . $5 at the door * Sunday February 26th . The NOW Series presented by=20 AIMT and the NOW Lounge 3:00-4:00 Workshop: Barnyard Drama- w/ christine duncan=20 and jean martin 4:30-7:00 Freedman / Gratkowski / Aldcroft / Martin=20 / Duncan / Storring w/ lori freedman- bass clarinet,=20 frank gratkowski- reeds, ken aldcroft- guitar,=20 jean martin- drums, christine duncan- theramin,=20 nick storring- cello 4pm-7pm . The NOW Lounge 189 Church St . $6 =20 * Sunday, February 26th . ISAACS SEEN AND HEARD Robert Creeley LXXX poetical/visual/musical collaborations: words of Robert Creeley, art of Robert Indiana and Archie Rand, music of Udo Kasemets and Malcolm Goldstein. Malcolm Goldstein, violinist, Susan Layard, singer/speaker, Udo Kasemets, pianist, Richard Sacks, projectionist. 3 pm . Victoria University . Emmanuel College . 75 Queens Park Free admission =20 * Sunday February 26th . New Music Concerts=20 Robert Aitken & James Avery are the featured soloists in a concert=20 of new works by Juliet Kiri Palmer (Drift, Drop for solo flute, solo=20 piano and two ensembles), Andre Ristic (Concertino for amplified=20 flute and ensemble), Denis Dion (Donnant, donnant for solo piano=20 and ensemble) and Charles Wuorinen (Duo Sonata for flute and=20 piano). All four composers will be in attendance. This concert will=20 be recorded for future broadcast on Two New Hours. 7:15 Illuminating Introduction . 8:00 Concert Glenn Gould Studio . 250 Front St. West $25 . $15 (seniors & arts workers) . $5 (students/Cheapseats) * Monday February 27th . Improv Greats Lori Freedman(Quebec) and Frank Gratkowski (Germany) in Concert=20 The Duo Freedman/Gratkowski performs original music=20 composed in real-time in front of their audience. Lori Freedman=20 (clarinet, bass clarinet) & Frank Gratkowski (saxophone, clarinets)=20 offer an evening of improvised music spurting from a rich amalgam=20 of influences, from classical and 21st century contemporary=20 music to jazz and far beyond. 20h . Goethe-Institut's Kinowelt Hall, admission is sliding scale, suggested minimum is $10. * Wednesday March 1st . Agyu Experimental Music Series Tim Posgate and Ben Grossman The first experimental music performance in the new AGYU=20 features a joint performance by guitarist Tim Posgate and=20 hurdy-gurdy player Ben Grossman. 7 PM . Art Gallery of York University Accolade East Building 4700 Keele Street . FREE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubscribe' in the e-mail body. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 06:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34493BF2F; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jAy5yb4/W4kFbKDvfM38NSZW5b/8FG01ZibDRshMAWuU+ah/T7hD8oSxqQSuTcICnZsnlsbk0VPPMMrw15VgPPnHbbtBUr1QQQUnLEf2WjCBtabgGoEtPYt81b1FIGLjLH9EDmlCk7DJ5iLe46SYn9YGEY48j9vtHHVQ6bnAXbY= ; Message-ID: <20060220065603.86916.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:56:03 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060220014344.15723.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-636794440-1140418563=:84343" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <49ewpB.A.1YC.FgW-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:56:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-636794440-1140418563=:84343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Being able to control this feedback level (usually with a pedal) is >obviously a major boon to loopers. It turns the loop into a living >entity, growing and changing over time versus a static loop with >overdubs (and perhaps undos)." Please tell me, can you do this with repeater ? And how dont you find the 3-or4 minutes looping time as limiting ? Do you have any other loopers or is the repeater enough to make those greate loops ? Rune F mark sottilaro skrev: Hard to say what is "best." Dangerous to speak in such terms. Perhaps the question you should ask is, "here's what I want to do... what looper works this way?" The 2880 is only recently shipping so who knows. Those lucky enough to get a Looperlative seem to think it's the next big thing, but not something that would replace an EDP... unless you want multipal stereo loops from one box. I love the Repeater, but it's been (and probably will be) out of production forever. However, if you want a looper that can follow a MIDI clock even if it changes, there is no other box than a Repeater. Lots of people are finding what they need in software too. Now's a great time to be a looper, as there are lots of choices... but it's also a confusing time... there are days I still wish I had my JamMan. Mark --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Does anyone know if the Electro-Harmonix 2880 > Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? And what to > buy this days if you are into looping ? > > Are the Gibson pro still the best ? > > Rune Fagereng, Norway > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-636794440-1140418563=:84343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
"Being able to control this feedback level (usually with a pedal) is
>obviously a major boon to loopers.  It turns the loop into a living
>entity, growing and changing over time versus a static loop with
>overdubs (and perhaps undos)." Please tell me, can you do this with repeater ? And how dont you find the 3-or4 minutes looping time as limiting ? Do you have any other loopers or is the repeater enough to make those greate loops ?
Rune F 

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> skrev:
Hard to say what is "best." Dangerous to speak in
such terms. Perhaps the question you should ask is,
"here's what I want to do... what looper works this
way?" The 2880 is only recently shipping so who
knows. Those lucky enough to get a Looperlative seem
to think it's the next big thing, but not something
that would replace an EDP... unless you want multipal
stereo loops from one box. I love the Repeater, but
it's been (and probably will be) out of production
forever. However, if you want a looper that can
follow a MIDI clock even if it changes, there is no
other box than a Repeater.

Lots of people are finding what they need in software
too. Now's a great time to be a looper, as there are
lots of choices... but it's also a confusing time...
there are days I still wish I had my JamMan.

Mark

--- rune fagereng wrote:

> Hi !
>
> Does anyone know if the Electro-Harmonix 2880
> Super Multi-track Looper are any good ? And what to
> buy this days if you are into looping ?
>
> Are the Gibson pro still the best ?
>
> Rune Fagereng, Norway
>


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--0-636794440-1140418563=:84343-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 07:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 920F53BF2D; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Is 3 or 4 minutes enough loop time? (was: Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-track Looper ) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:22:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20060220065603.86916.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcY16rwJVzLkVCvyR8WDI1nL2agVEQAAroEg Message-Id: <20060220072132.GBSG15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:22:47 +0000 (UTC) From: rune fagereng asks: And=A0how don't you=A0find the 3-or4 minutes looping time as limiting?=20 Gary sez: Most live loopers use small loops and then multiply them out, but then = use lowered feedback to change the texture. Only sample and playback loop = users (like myself, for the most part) need loop time of more than a minute, = in order to capture an entire verse and chorus. One of the great things about the Echoplex is its Undo feature--if your = loop is twenty seconds long and you have 198 seconds of loop time, you can = undo ten layers of loop. This can be great fun! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 07:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 691523BF29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QgeaWz5ueW49fLeecnmtpOvS+fKrNj3AIXO8QGsz32fyVvlhLO3gvaqRUfMSIGYTJ6EgNVDtAp0xSgiIogYaCmUKbc+RQg/ja8OMNEplgF+Ddg5pvrA38eI0tCCUzPwcqD5iQ811xaTXBcMPa+vlk2bP3oXctlCQAOmruQXN5dE= Message-ID: <64b81a780602192337p150ac7a3l25ba35224b7aa3ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:37:57 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets In-Reply-To: <256B0983-2E44-4FDE-BC67-F9F2BAED33ED@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060218091226.103F1257A63@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <256B0983-2E44-4FDE-BC67-F9F2BAED33ED@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Oh, well in that case you should have no problem running your toaster and your black & white tv. What's the worry? Geesh. Really, the amount of juice consumed by the average household has to have doubled since the 60s. Multiple TVs, DVD players, stereos, computers... He may legally have to upgrade the wiring. Housing laws vary from place to place, but I know where I live it's illegal to not have 3-pronged outlets and breaker outlets by the sinks. For a homeowner, it's probably not a big deal, but a landlord has a legal obligation not to put his tennants in jeopardy. Good luck. Hey, after all the fuss you make over this I'm sure you'll be his favorite tennant. ;) Todd On 2/19/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > boy I'm confused! > > The landlord has no idea, just says the electricity was "upgraded" in > the 1960's and that he's not paying to have it done again... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 07:39:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24FC33BF3D; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sw5zgrRuFOJXyu0RMdvFcxPdthMl7T09IEJr5nHIwomYSxNng04EViniUjsZ4vLrPqlqVJS114K88QV1FHJdhJTMEtqJEFzEP1qgRbgadUxsWHsIqiFfnt8XbG5YwyyKLJdR2nE5XTIu30w4VUjUYxopEdYDkqByJPR9lQNr5Pk= Message-ID: <64b81a780602192339ha155fdl4d903e62bb5c7be6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:39:14 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets In-Reply-To: <256B0983-2E44-4FDE-BC67-F9F2BAED33ED@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060218091226.103F1257A63@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <256B0983-2E44-4FDE-BC67-F9F2BAED33ED@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Oh, well in that case you should have no problem running your toaster and your black & white tv. What's the worry? Geesh. Really, the amount of juice consumed by the average household has to have doubled since the 60s. Multiple TVs, DVD players, stereos, computers He may have to do it. Housing laws vary from place to place, but I know where I live it's illegal to not have 3-pronged outlets and breaker outlets by the sinks. On 2/19/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > boy I'm confused! > > The landlord has no idea, just says the electricity was "upgraded" in > the 1960's and that he's not paying to have it done again... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 07:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 492F83BF3C; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oZJhWhG0QbY4Ex7E79rsSutVp+JPyxwCeNpJVRzi1XvoXTFUZYnmTYaSYRO7oSEOqdHhsBYvQf6Dw61n9VdQi2BX+PXvzBQMFfdOwRh4LO/REoTipolG6csnAm6usRHZ8NqizNGkA2YDFcQlTtwQF7pJ31hTTXjmbSHb97egtFo= Message-ID: <64b81a780602192346g6165bc92re418a7d0c1a2dc15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:46:50 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <011101c635e3$f6b149a0$6ab0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> <011101c635e3$f6b149a0$6ab0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:46:52 +0000 (UTC) I haven't tried it, but I just had an idea... (uh-oh, he had an idea, stand back!) Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently?=20 (Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting results. Todd On 2/20/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > How about some good ol' fashion stereo chorus? (just a light touch, rate= at > about 35 or 40, depth at 50, mix at 50%). I've used this before to spicen= up > a mono track. Actually, this is exactly what I do when I record directly > into a mono input of my DigiDesign mBox with ProTools. I add stereo choru= s, > stereo reverb (which decays from left to right), and most importantly a > stereo delay, about 575ms on the left and 780ms on the right to generate = a > slightly staggered delayed effect (as I find ping pong delay a bit too > distracting). > > Steinberg's Wavelab comes with a stereo separating VST plugin that I like= a > lot as well, but I use it to further "stereoize" an already stereo track.= I > don't think it will work with a mono track, because is further separates > already separate waveforms. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hazard factor" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:04 PM > Subject: Faux Stereo Looping > > > > I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and start > > tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, but a= ny > > tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give that mo= no > > loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, but t= hat > > isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been happ= ily > > just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more > > movement > > L & R. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 08:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584C83BF3C; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <31943304.1140424824527.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:40:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Kim Galibert Reply-To: Kim Galibert To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: 2-prong outlets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:40:25 +0000 (UTC) >>boy I'm confused! >>The landlord has no idea, just says the electricity was "upgraded" in >>the 1960's and that he's not paying to have it done again... the thing is, you need to have this done, no matter who pays for it. compare the cost of a fried repeater with the couple of hundred bucks it will cost to have a professional handle it. you don't need the electrician to replace all of the outlets, just have him do one or two. consider it to be insurance. (a replacement value renter's insurance policy is also super cheap compared to replacing music hardware) i'd also like to correct a few of the statements that have been posted: 1) surge protectors and line conditioners do not work properly without a ground connection. in this case, they offer next to no protection. 2) any uninterruptible power supply priced below $500 does not engage until the power goes out. there are units which are 'always on', but they are costly and are designed for large computer/server installations. 3) replacing the existing 2 prong outlets with 3 prongers is not safe or effective, unless the ground is actually connected to a true ground (not the conduit or the junction box). you'll probably be able to plug it all in using 2-3prong adapters, you may be fine for years, but a badly timed surge could easily wipe out a bunch of gear. loop on, kim (the other kim) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 09:13:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDEF63BF38; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=icMpIKW+WjvaNjeCm/OKvbazo3pgYe5Lx5d/FNBZ1oGyGZIed7Y4tK435o+9Rd+PVIWAedUfHDFMeTyVpQwGETTJAFsrGKhnNj5Vo/LE71CvoOvI8fBB97V41P4tawTxdDxcjTPNCxFVCwex6ProFGAP1KeTd6RVVdTNxk7WCXw= ; Message-ID: <00e301c635fd$f8427220$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060219030159.0516d088@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:13:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget that the RC50 is a 3 tracks looper. Of course, loopback doesn't seems to be implemented as such. But similar behaviour can perhaps be obtained. 1- you can record the first loop on track 1 2- You can surely record on track 2 while fading track 1. 3- Then fading track2 while recording or overdubbing on track 3. 4- And so on... It would (?) be great to set the "fade time" via a midi controller. You might also be able change the volume level of each track via midi. So using a volume pedal, you can fade manually to silence and then erase the loop, or put it back later in full volume. There is perhaps finally a "live bounce" feature where you can mix 2 tracks together while sculpting the contour via midi. I guess I'm completely dreaming on this last one ;-) Who knows, perhaps the manual will be available soon. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out > At 12:38 AM 2/19/2006, rob cathcart wrote: >>Hi Kim and thanks for the response. >>When I said Fade Out I was indeed refering to Feedback. The guy that was >>doing the demo at NAMM indicated to me that feedback was indeed >>controllable, atho' he was rather vague and did not end up showing me this >>feature in action. > > I talked to that demo guy on Thursday of the show, and he didn't know what > feedback was when I questioned him about it. I had to explain it to him, > and I don't think he really got it. He showed me the Fade function in the > menus, but didn't know how to use it. Probably if you saw him after me he > had it in his mind that when asked about "feedback" he should say > something about this Fade function. My guess is this fade is just a > controlled volume ramp after you stop a loop, not feedback. But it would > be good to get some confirmation of that. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 09:26:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F17813BF38; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <17F66BAE-0B95-4FDF-B024-138A75948AD2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:26:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <57BM5B.A.gZG.DtY-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:26:27 +0000 (UTC) On 20 feb 2006, at 06.04, hazard factor wrote: > I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and > start > tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, > but any > tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give > that mono > loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, > but that > isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been > happily > just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more > movement > L & R. Another tip: If you have a DAW application (Cubase, Logic, Live, DP...) you can dump the EDP performance file on a track and use the send knobs to send signals to parallel track where you insert different effects plug-ins (pitch shifters, beat synced filter banks etc etc). Here's an audio example of that technique: One EDP sax looping performance recorded as a mono file and then used to drive different software plug-ins when mixing it all to stereo (the original still being mono, but not heard all through the piece). http://www.looproom.com/aol/01_Patterns.mp3 Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:11:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36AB3BF40; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602192346g6165bc92re418a7d0c1a2dc15@mail.gmail.com> References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> <011101c635e3$f6b149a0$6ab0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780602192346g6165bc92re418a7d0c1a2dc15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 04:11:03 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:11:06 +0000 (UTC) At 2:46 AM -0500 2/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote: > >Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass >filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently? >(Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to >smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could >accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting >results. Drawmer Three-Sum: http://www.drawmer.com/new/three_sum.pdf . It's a new box explicitly for doing exactly that sort of split-out (well, it's stereo, but you could always use one side only). I'd been looking lately at building a DIY multi-band mastering array, and obviously I'm not the only one. Now I'm just trying to figure out why -- aside from overall build quality, higher end components, and the Drawmer name -- I should shell out a nice chunk of cash for one of these, rather than using a mainstream crossover such as a DBX 234... --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:30:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56CFA3BF30; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> <011101c635e3$f6b149a0$6ab0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780602192346g6165bc92re418a7d0c1a2dc15@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <329F9E5E-5578-4A05-885D-4B995B4F9564@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:30:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:30:40 +0000 (UTC) > At 2:46 AM -0500 2/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote: >> >> Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass >> filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently? >> (Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to >> smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could >> accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting >> results. Another idea is to make your EDP mono looping stereo in real-time. I'm fond of my AKAI MFC42 filter bank for this. Check it out at http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html. The filter bank has one mono channel and one stereo channel. I use to connect my instrument to the mono channel and the EDP output to the stereo channel. Then I slap a midi cable between the EDP and the Akai so the filter bank can sync its LFO filters after the EDP tempo. You can filter both channels independently but the stereo channel can also be set to stereo movement in time with the music. When doing that you can keep the low frequencies at the center and the high frequencies bouncing left- right on any poly rhythmic related to the EDP tempo. There's a lot of fun with the mfc42 and they are very cheap now - at least here in Sweden. Seems like they flopped on the market because Akai thought that all DJ's should buy one, which they did not. (one of my looping students went and bought a "half price" mfc42 in a store right after checking it out at my place. It's definitely an underestimated piece of gear) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43FB3BF47; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:37:28 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Faux Stereo Looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <247A9A52.7C38CAD4.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Those old Roland Dimension effects are perfect for this - they're a very very subtle chorus that do a great job of "stereoising" a mono signal. The Boss Dimension C and Digital Dimension pedals are reasonably cheap way to get the effect; the original rackmounted Roland Dimension D can still be had on eBay (usually for silly prices), and I'm sure someone has recently implemented the Dimension D in software as a plugin. - Tony "hazard factor" wrote: > I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and start >tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, but any >tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give that mono >loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, but that >isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been happily >just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more movement >L & R. > >Dave Eichenberger >http://www.hazardfactor.com > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:41:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11A6A3BF3D; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 05:41:28 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Faux Stereo Looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <23869D6A.093DAC0C.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Some info on using the Dimension D plugin are available at ... http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2005/may/text/content7.html - Tony TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) wrote: >Those old Roland Dimension effects are perfect for this - they're a very very subtle chorus that do a great job of "stereoising" a mono signal. The Boss Dimension C and Digital Dimension pedals are reasonably cheap way to get the effect; the original rackmounted Roland Dimension D can still be had on eBay (usually for silly prices), and I'm sure someone has recently implemented the Dimension D in software as a plugin. > >- Tony > >"hazard factor" wrote: > >> I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and start >>tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, but any >>tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give that mono >>loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, but that >>isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been happily >>just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more movement >>L & R. >> >>Dave Eichenberger >>http://www.hazardfactor.com >> >> > >__________________________________________________________________ >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer >Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. >Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:53:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B64A3BF50; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADAs+UOICCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060220102451.0286a0c0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:51:59 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: the 1980's In-Reply-To: <20060220060938.F40313BF35@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060220060938.F40313BF35@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:53:00 +0000 (UTC) At 06:09 20/02/06, you wrote: >An additional note about Under Heavy Manners was that apparently >during Zero of the Signified, the tape broke, but Fripp had the >master loop to later overdub that fast arpeggio onto. I don't >remember the exact liner notes though, it's been a couple of decades. Sometimes an item in my vinyl collection somehow slips backwards to become unobtainable except by means of a diligent search. Such is the case with God Save the Queen/ Under Heaver Manners. So after a determined search, here's Some info from the sleeve notes. First recording made with the 2 revox set up was No Pussyfooting in 1972, this being Fripps introduction to the technique. The "Frippertronics" on UHM/GSQ was recorded in 1979, the album released in 1980. "Customarily, once a loop was completed I would rewind the tape and solo while replayed and converted the signal to stereo; none of these solos was recorded by me" For the UHM session, 2 tracks used 1979 "Frippertronics" tapes + additional instruments and vocals, and one track has the "loop" part played live. From personal recollection from magazine articles which are far more hidden away than the album, I'd add that Fripp had to be persuaded by Eno to release his Frippertronics backing tracks as complete works in their own right. So, does God Save the Queen/ Under Heaver Manners make it into the looping hall of fame? I'd say no, as it post dates "No Pussyfooting" by almost a decade. Then there's the famous Frippertronics flexi-disc from Guitar Player magazine. (sure it's around somewhere ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218423BF54; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QgImWHrpPIBdg6ODN3FSDjrpmpIqiYDJxUChjD/GkEDCd9i4YZWHovxtY/+Y0UQLbEpB/So5PIzG9FHtgiERJH61SeXaPPwjxD/Q9+JNeFVdWAY7rYZg96kJekb4uNwgMQZ5nm7eRJU/ozxKSrMrrTO1ur7NKOTqcQTj051KqXA= ; Message-ID: <20060220105558.95843.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:55:58 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: delays and Fripps`soundscape To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1535366111-1140432958=:94728" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:56:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-1535366111-1140432958=:94728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone know how to get close to Fripps` soundscape by using the delay. I understand its importent to use the expression-pedal on the feedback-controll. What about mix regarding the direct and delay-sound ? And I am having problems with unwanted (hum) sounds ! Any thoughts ? Rune --0-1535366111-1140432958=:94728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Does anyone know how to get close to Fripps` soundscape by using the delay. I understand its importent to use the expression-pedal on the feedback-controll. What about mix regarding the direct and delay-sound ? And I am having problems with unwanted (hum) sounds ! Any thoughts ?
 
Rune         
--0-1535366111-1140432958=:94728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 10:58:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECFEF3BF48; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADAs+UOICCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060220105503.0280d590@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:57:39 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <20060220101107.404A73BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060220101107.404A73BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:58:38 +0000 (UTC) >I haven't tried it, but I just had an idea... (uh-oh, he had an idea, >stand back!) > >Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass >filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently? >(Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to >smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could >accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting >results. > >Todd Todd, Indeed you can, and during the 70's almost every re-release of music originally recorded in mono was treated in exactly this way. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 11:05:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DE73BF51; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c6360d$7a8f1530$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:04:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <4Bi_yB.A.8cB.cJa-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:05:00 +0000 (UTC) From: "hazard factor" > I just have 1 EDP, but sometimes I dump the mono loop to PC, and start > tracking overtop. I know nothing quite sounds like a stereo loop, but any > tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing software to give that mono > loop more depth? I mean, I can copy and paste and slightly delay, but that > isn't quite right. Any plug-ins (PC) that anyone uses? I have been happily > just using mono loops, but longer ones might need a little bit more > movement > L & R. Having played a lot with the old Sound-on-Sound settings on old Sony reel-to-reels (none of which I ever owned, alas!) in the 70s whenever I encountered them, I remember recognizing the onboard delay between left and right channels as the same I heard from Fripp's use of a pair of Revoxes. I've never really been happy trying to replicate that delay with boxes or software, as there was always 'something' different from what I remembered. Perhaps it's the difference between a tape effect and a synthesized one? Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 11:09:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C93543BF59; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADAs+UOICCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060220110026.02801140@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:08:39 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <20060220101107.404A73BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060220101107.404A73BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Mono >>> Stereo with the vst plug-in "Chopan" www.mathons.com/chopan.htm you can make some interesting re-mixes. It's an autotriggering panner which can produce repeating(and non-repeating) patterns. It'll trigger from audio (for a percussive input) or midi-sync to the vst-host. ...and you get to see Matthias Grob's rice pan. andy butler ( co-author with Matthias) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 12:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E091D3BF4B; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c63615$984af460$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060220105558.95843.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: delays and Fripps`soundscape Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:02:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:03:32 +0000 (UTC) From: rune fagereng (but in 'Rich Text' mode!) >Does anyone know how to get close to Fripps` soundscape by using the delay. While I 'get close to' RF's soundscapes just by listening to them I wonder that you're not more interested in the tape-to-tape method than the newly-branded 'soundscapes' RF's been playing for over 10 years now. But in interest to the new method, I have a pair of Zoom 2100s that each have 32-second sample/playback (not in the additive loop mode), and a DigiTech 'Time Machine' with 7.6 seconds (this one running a sound-on-sound loop). If I do the following I believe the structure of what I'm playing begins to approach the soundscapes structure: 1. Set up underlying loop on the DigiTech by building. 2. Close loop on DigiTech. 3. Play supporting bits on Zoom 2100 #1, 32-second record. Put aside. 4. Play supporting bits - leaning more towards slight solo - on Zoom 2100 #2, 32-second record. Put aside. >From this stage you can do a couple of things for variation: 5a. Play back Zoom 2100 #1's sample and leave it running 5b. Ditto for Zoom 2100 #2 (why the two should be complimentary) 5c. Open the DigiTech looper and add the overlapping Zooms to it. 5d. Fill in further textures with input instrument. 6. Record the entire result. Put aside. 7. Fool your friends, fun at parties. As far as mix-delay sound, the DigiTech produces three outputs, Dry, Mix, and Phased - the Phased tends to cancel out the Mix output if at similar volumes. As a TV chef would say, mix until consistent. Aka As you like it. HTH. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 12:17:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68AE73BF5D; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k+fQKGLt0wAxef9GjRUoC5bswPVStk3kQUnRDwVs2MJi0expQXIu7FVovpLXoT4rp9sJAu4Xh08/+P3NIW6HYkPbmau7k/OoONOX5vyIGGjE97K0tNzhsJzRxXDMDLqXhivajgKDyGK4G3lkT3UZ429M4jrC7Bt2uftlizxmVs0= ; Message-ID: <20060220121753.31004.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:17:53 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: How do YOU loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43ED9A8E.90105@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-992452453-1140437873=:29319" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:17:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-992452453-1140437873=:29319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi ! When you talk about "chopping into loop with effecks in feedback-chain, do you uses the fx-loop on your device(EDP) ? Rune f Andreas Wetterberg skrev: r i c k m o n d wrote: > so what/how does looping function for you? I recently got into the whole cutting/dividing/replace thing, so getting stuck in the loop has been changed into a one-shot, thank g*d. My looper does adjustable fades when going into replace, so I can do evolving stuff a bit more intuitively than turning down the feedback - also, on longer lines replacing a smaller fragment of the soundscape doesn't mess with the overall structure of the piece, making it a lot less daunting - it basically turns replace into a smooth, dynamic "reduce feedback, then overdub, then increase feedback after going out of overdub"-function, which I really like. (As an aside, do you call it Insert or Replace? I'm not quite hip to the lingo these days :-s ) But the best part still has to be: A: Degrading the loop and chopping into it with effects in the feedback chain - highpass filtering is especially good for me - and reversing stuff in there as well. B: Changing the loop length in my looper causes divides, not pitch-changes, so I can do a quick 1/16th note stutter burst, jump back out to 1 bar, and the stutters are locked in the loop - all this is probably old news to hardcore EDP-users, but it's pretty new ground for me, so I am very happy with it! All in all these methods provide some good tools for deconstruction and recontextualization of a soundscape, which are so fun that getting stuck isn't happening all that often - the only times it does is when I get into a really good loop, with succesfull effect chops, good harmonies, really good timing etc in a neat little package. At that point I *need* to sample the loop before moving on, I'm not hardened enough to kill my darlings yet. I've uploaded a quick mp3 highlighting some of the deconstruction methods I use - the track is an all-live recording, just voice and drum samples being triggered in real-time. I reckon it gets interesting at 1 minutes 30 seconds into the song where I start breaking down the loop quite a bit, by going from a 1bar loop to 8bars and chopping away :) http://thecovertoperators.groc.org/operator_a/Machinate_-_Glimmer.mp3 (NOTE: mp3-file may or may not contain horrible singing and sloppy hiphop-beats - please disregard! hehe) Andreas --0-992452453-1140437873=:29319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hi !
 
When you talk about "chopping into loop with effecks in feedback-chain, do you uses the fx-loop on your device(EDP) ?
 
Rune f   
 


Andreas Wetterberg <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk> skrev:
r i c k m o n d wrote:

> so what/how does looping function for you?

I recently got into the whole cutting/dividing/replace thing, so getting
stuck in the loop has been changed into a one-shot, thank g*d. My looper
does adjustable fades when going into replace, so I can do evolving
stuff a bit more intuitively than turning down the feedback - also, on
longer lines replacing a smaller fragment of the soundscape doesn't mess
with the overall structure of the piece, making it a lot less daunting -
it basically turns replace into a smooth, dynamic "reduce feedback, then
overdub, then increase feedback after going out of overdub"-function,
which I really like. (As an aside, do you call it Insert or Replace? I'm
not quite hip to the lingo these days :-s )

But the best part still has to be:
A: Degrading the loop and chopping into it with effects in the feedback
chain - highpass filtering is especially good for me - and reversing
stuff in there as well.
B: Changing the loop length in my looper causes divides, not
pitch-changes, so I can do a quick 1/16th note stutter burst, jump back
out to 1 bar, and the stutters are locked in the loop - all this is
probably old news to hardcore EDP-users, but it's pretty new ground for
me, so I am very happy with it!

All in all these methods provide some good tools for deconstruction and
recontextualization of a soundscape, which are so fun that getting stuck
isn't happening all that often - the only times it does is when I get
into a really good loop, with succesfull effect chops, good harmonies,
really good timing etc in a neat little package. At that point I *need*
to sample the loop before moving on, I'm not hardened enough to kill my
darlings yet.

I've uploaded a quick mp3 highlighting some of the deconstruction
methods I use - the track is an all-live recording, just voice and drum
samples being triggered in real-time. I reckon it gets interesting at 1
minutes 30 seconds into the song where I start breaking down the loop
quite a bit, by going from a 1bar loop to 8bars and chopping away :)

http://thecovertoperators.groc.org/operator_a/Machinate_-_Glimmer.mp3
(NOTE: mp3-file may or may not contain horrible singing and sloppy
hiphop-beats - please disregard! hehe)

Andreas


--0-992452453-1140437873=:29319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 13:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3F53BF51; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wFy4obGow/5gJ5yzjY7QTtHSPCVjAWR7YR+w44Im+Ji4zw85llaneuj7f/bNMtla72PVmwP091J+zv7k//xGukkbzG/FZBHFzpujopEWgV/zmWah4j4N/QsPjRk/OLxwqII2ncrVGBzn2SmwDU/2psFdwJh9xXBb09nO5U83v1s= ; Message-ID: <20060220133208.10136.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:32:08 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Faux Stereo Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <329F9E5E-5578-4A05-885D-4B995B4F9564@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-675123468-1140442328=:4253" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:32:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-675123468-1140442328=:4253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello ! Regarding Akai MFC42 filterbank. Electrix filterbank costs 200 dollard and MF 300 dollard at Ebay. I havent tested non of them. Any thoughts of the electrix ? Please tell me do you use filter in EDP fx loop or before the EDP ? Have you listened to any of Eivind AArsets cd`s. The norwegian guy that plays/played with Jon Hassell and Nils Petter Molvær. He also has his own band. Greate guitarist/composer and looper ! Rune F, Norway Per Boysen skrev: > At 2:46 AM -0500 2/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote: >> >> Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass >> filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently? >> (Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to >> smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could >> accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting >> results. Another idea is to make your EDP mono looping stereo in real-time. I'm fond of my AKAI MFC42 filter bank for this. Check it out at http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html. The filter bank has one mono channel and one stereo channel. I use to connect my instrument to the mono channel and the EDP output to the stereo channel. Then I slap a midi cable between the EDP and the Akai so the filter bank can sync its LFO filters after the EDP tempo. You can filter both channels independently but the stereo channel can also be set to stereo movement in time with the music. When doing that you can keep the low frequencies at the center and the high frequencies bouncing left- right on any poly rhythmic related to the EDP tempo. There's a lot of fun with the mfc42 and they are very cheap now - at least here in Sweden. Seems like they flopped on the market because Akai thought that all DJ's should buy one, which they did not. (one of my looping students went and bought a "half price" mfc42 in a store right after checking it out at my place. It's definitely an underestimated piece of gear) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --0-675123468-1140442328=:4253 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hello !
 
Regarding Akai MFC42 filterbank. Electrix filterbank costs 200 dollard and MF  300 dollard at Ebay. I havent tested non of them. Any thoughts of the electrix ?
Please tell me do you use filter in EDP fx loop or before  the EDP ?
 
Have you listened to any of Eivind AArsets cd`s. The norwegian guy that plays/played with Jon Hassell and Nils Petter Molvær. He also has his own band. Greate guitarist/composer and looper !   
 
Rune F, Norway  


Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> skrev:
> At 2:46 AM -0500 2/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote:
>>
>> Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass
>> filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently?
>> (Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to
>> smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could
>> accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting
>> results.


Another idea is to make your EDP mono looping stereo in real-time.
I'm fond of my AKAI MFC42 filter bank for this. Check it out at
http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html. The filter bank has one mono
channel and one stereo channel. I use to connect my instrument to the
mono channel and the EDP output to the stereo channel. Then I slap a
midi cable between the EDP and the Akai so the filter bank can sync
its LFO filters after the EDP tempo. You can filter both channels
independently but the stereo channel can also be set to stereo
movement in time with the music. When doing that you can keep the low
frequencies at the center and the high frequencies bouncing left-
right on any poly rhythmic related to the EDP tempo. There's a lot of
fun with the mfc42 and they are very cheap now - at least here in
Sweden. Seems like they flopped on the market because Akai thought
that all DJ's should buy one, which they did not. (one of my looping
students went and bought a "half price" mfc42 in a store right after
checking it out at my place. It's definitely an underestimated piece
of gear)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.looproom.com (international)
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
---> iTunes Music Store (digital)
www.cdbaby.com/perboysen





--0-675123468-1140442328=:4253-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 13:34:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A8243BF65; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dl/3NB1zd+60nHHYr60/VbjKh0ZpLS1WV7OVmznb/v/9XI1mCvUMkjoulEfNpw58hxgFB6nQrNAoguMe1fPzsYNYtRJlBfZe7+N8TyAZSB0LUov0PrUlzWCW4HurKBvhg+5xBMrwceaBOwRMjzAgtAVPM5dyMgz6M+q904o5IE4= ; Message-ID: <20060220133438.8636.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:34:38 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1736781287-1140442478=:6555" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_jG10.A.fSE.vVc-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:34:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-1736781287-1140442478=:6555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are there any repeater-users out there ? I am looking for websites with tips and tricks for use of the Electrix Repeater ! Rune f --0-1736781287-1140442478=:6555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Are there any repeater-users out there ?
 
I am looking for websites with tips and tricks for use of the Electrix Repeater !
 
Rune f
--0-1736781287-1140442478=:6555-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 15:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60C33BF5A; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060220133438.8636.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060220133438.8636.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E327E24-66F5-4F8A-A179-950003B263B7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:22:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:22:37 +0000 (UTC) On 20 feb 2006, at 14.34, rune fagereng wrote: > Are there any repeater-users out there ? > > I am looking for websites with tips and tricks for use of the > Electrix Repeater ! Use the internet! This came up no 4 when searing your phrasing "tricks for use of the Electrix Repeater" ;-) http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi?CookBook Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 15:27:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85033BF6A; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060220133208.10136.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060220133208.10136.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B4DB199-117E-4CD7-A3A0-4DE75FD301E7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:27:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:27:38 +0000 (UTC) On 20 feb 2006, at 14.32, rune fagereng wrote: > Regarding Akai MFC42 filterbank. Electrix filterbank costs 200 > dollard and MF 300 dollard at Ebay. I havent tested non of them. > Any thoughts of the electrix ? No. I have not tested the electrix. It's good, but I bought the Akai because it had the function I needed. > Please tell me do you use filter in EDP fx loop I guess "no" would be an appropriate answer here because the EDP doesn't have an effect loop ;-) But when I had a Repeater I sometimes used the filter bank (+ EDP) in the Repeaters' effect loop. > or before the EDP ? No. First EDP, then Akai filterbank. The aim is to create a stereo sound. > Have you listened to any of Eivind AArsets cd`s. Yes. I too find his music very inspiring. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 15:45:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F2483BF68; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007801c63634$d08f0130$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:44:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <6DxbYC.A.rqD.JQe-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping > At 2:46 AM -0500 2/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote: >> >>Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass >>filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently? >>(Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to >>smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could >>accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting >>results. A friend of mine did something like that with SynthEdit (VST SDK.) It split the signal into several bands and then applied different delays to each one. very interesting. I might be able to dig it up. It was very rough and he never polished it up. Tony > > Drawmer Three-Sum: http://www.drawmer.com/new/three_sum.pdf . > > It's a new box explicitly for doing exactly that sort of split-out (well, > it's stereo, but you could always use one side only). I'd been looking > lately at building a DIY multi-band mastering array, and obviously I'm not > the only one. > > Now I'm just trying to figure out why -- aside from overall build quality, > higher end components, and the Drawmer name -- I should shell out a nice > chunk of cash for one of these, rather than using a mainstream crossover > such as a DBX 234... > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 16:17:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 662203BF69; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EcMaYBKHr3qvq+iHQBxnkcaVNFqGKw1AC+pl/pjEOB7s3U5O82oIvEGa78rixsctXTKp4KlUzSWuQpDjKnreH+nJD8ekMsjTSBDljXAGrl25BS83IYuvhNoNZhnybpTiJ8r6sOk0uuYk9AIzSmA3UUW5SCNKzR2LzZCv3rTMGQg= Message-ID: <64b81a780602200817v16bdc250l7996e20ea4c01637@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:17:54 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060220105503.0280d590@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060220101107.404A73BF38@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060220105503.0280d590@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Interesting. And here I thought I had invented it all by myself. ;) Todd On 2/20/06, a k butler wrote: > > >I haven't tried it, but I just had an idea... (uh-oh, he had an idea, > >stand back!) > > > >Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using band-pass > >filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the bands differently? > >(Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original mono to > >smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what tools/plugins could > >accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be done. May yeild interesting > >results. > > > >Todd > > Todd, > Indeed you can, > and during the 70's almost every re-release of music originally > recorded in mono was treated in exactly this way. > > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 16:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A80C3BF6E; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MZJZ9efIKPKJFhaoVGSFznTGQ6JWPiW8zuFbZoLm/nRCq7DmluWAep6Rk+P8vjfDmdO9qQeoJ/+a/gk0IIAkzkBez17EYU5ND5pBQJ9z9vWRItiB+BKAWJj5AOvAPgXprwZ6ExIKHBlmveA+0L3lzwfcSlo4CGknkA6XI9WJMgs= ; Message-ID: <20060220164428.4064.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: possible heads up to cassette (analog) loopers.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060220152238.A07FC3BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1957111395-1140453868=:4049" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <32v2zD.A.KNG.uHf-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:44:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-1957111395-1140453868=:4049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this weekend i couldn't find my 20 sec loop tape i use in my old 4-track to play around w/ analog loops...i was going to try out using my old pioneer tape deck as an option...well i had to go to my local radio shack to get a new tape.... while there, the radio shack worker showed me where they were, and i noticed that above the tapes it said "clearance" and was 1.99$ and there were 3 left...i asked him if it's on clearance does that mean you won't be carrying them anymore? he said yes. we had a brief discussion on how much analog loop tapes are needed for answering machines since most are digital now, or dial in answering machines part of phone service....so anyway, just a heads up to anyone still using the radio shack 20-sec loop tape, the radio shack in ia city, ia is phasing them out....so i bought all 3 of the 20 sec ones left, at 1.99...when i bought my 1st one about 2-3 yrs ago the tape was 5.99, so i got 3 for the price i originally paid....and the store had a # of 30-sec loop tapes too -they didn't have those back when i bought my 1st one... s--- ps-the pioneer tape deck w/ 20 sec loop didn't work so well, not sure if its the cheapo 50$ behringer mixer or the old pioneer tapedeck... didn't get the results i was hoping for.... --------------------------------- Relax. 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this weekend i couldn't find my 20 sec loop tape i use in my old 4-track to
play around w/ analog loops...i was going to try out using my old pioneer tape deck
as an option...well i had to go to my local radio shack to get a new tape....
while there, the radio shack worker showed me where they were, and i noticed that above the tapes it said "clearance" and was 1.99$ and there were 3 left...i asked him
if it's on clearance does that mean you won't be carrying them anymore? he said yes.
we had a brief discussion on how much analog loop tapes are needed for answering machines since most are digital now, or dial in answering machines part of phone service....so anyway, just a heads up to anyone still using the radio shack 20-sec loop tape, the radio shack in ia city, ia is phasing them out....so i bought all 3 of the 20 sec ones left, at 1.99...when i bought my 1st one about 2-3 yrs ago the tape was 5.99, so i got 3 for the price i originally paid....and the store had a # of 30-sec loop tapes too -they didn't have those back when i bought my 1st one...
s---
ps-the pioneer tape deck w/ 20 sec loop didn't work so well, not sure if its the cheapo 50$ behringer mixer or the old pioneer tapedeck... didn't get the results i was hoping for....

Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1957111395-1140453868=:4049-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 17:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 507353BF6B; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1STngF00lajdfKyJEupvFD83WndXSSzXVRwaRpe+/l5KNwX4p0xW9OaAZ5PZPdyJeNrRd4zC3uC7jikp1oUzsbhGjaezMtHczM75JQ6JUt6rDuTJ5o5nH5PNa/awUh7M9GlXhi3u5uN4Mq8cQRXo1uQBpnf24jGzX3CRBEZqY/I= ; Message-ID: <20060220172108.79692.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: loop CD trade w/ HsAcNoStEtN? (old skool method for hearing new music) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060220152238.A07FC3BF69@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1083289674-1140456068=:78682" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:21:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1083289674-1140456068=:78682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well i was wondering if anyone would like to trade loop cds??? since i have very limited computer time and no computer...my main way of listening to music is through cds (yes that old way of listening, its so dinasour) i made up a # of copies of my current cd project, and i've been listening to it, and it sounds decent enough (or i'm happy enough w/ it).... it mainly uses my homemade telemonster guitar for a few cuts, then i had to switch to my parker nitefly, when i needed to do some work on it...i also did some sampling of a cd i traded w/ one of my old students, he does beat oriented stuff...its funny i take beat stuff and make it into drones...but there are some different sounds b/c ...but it has mostly my interest of guitar based loops, experimenting w/ some drones, noise, processed noise, etc. i tried to move away from doing my 'widdly-diddly-wee' 80's style influences (which i'm also so bad at)....oh the cd is also in this new mutant tuning i came up w/, new for me, but it still sounds guitar like....i think its 8 tracks clocking in at 79 min....w/ my new larger flash card i am able to record longer stuff...it also is not much "live looping" since i think i'm not real good at that, most tracks start off w/ some live stuff, but then i go back in and add bits here and there, and when one thing would end i may start something new w/ in a track, which is usually how i work. probably lots of repeating my self, but small steps ahead from my previous stuff.....i did switch back and forth from the digitech rp100 and the zoom g2 for fun (frustration)...oh, and i called it: "interior space", since i moved my studio around and now work in the opposite corner..... if interested in trading, please email me at: shansen@kirkwood.edu thanks,s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-1083289674-1140456068=:78682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
well i was wondering if anyone would like to trade loop cds???
since i have very limited computer time and no computer...my
main way of listening to music is through cds (yes that old way of listening, its so dinasour)
 
i made up a # of copies of my current cd project, and i've been listening to it, and it sounds decent enough (or i'm happy enough w/ it)....
 
it mainly uses my homemade telemonster guitar for a few cuts, then i had to switch to
my parker nitefly, when i needed to do some work on it...i also did some sampling of a cd i traded w/ one of my old students, he does beat oriented stuff...its funny i take beat stuff and make it into drones...but there are some different sounds b/c ...but it has mostly my interest of guitar based loops, experimenting w/ some drones, noise, processed noise, etc. i tried to move away from doing my 'widdly-diddly-wee' 80's style influences (which i'm also so bad at)....oh the cd is also in this new mutant tuning i came up w/, new for me, but it still sounds guitar like....i think its 8 tracks clocking in at 79 min....w/ my new larger flash card i am able to record longer stuff...it also is not much "live looping" since i think i'm not real good at that, most tracks start off w/ some live stuff, but then i go back in and add bits here and there, and when one thing would end i may start something new w/ in a track, which is usually how i work. probably lots of repeating my self, but small steps ahead from my previous stuff.....i did switch back and forth from the digitech rp100 and the zoom g2 for fun (frustration)...oh, and i called it: "interior space", since i moved my studio around and now work in the opposite corner.....
if interested in trading, please email me at:
thanks,s---

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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-1083289674-1140456068=:78682-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0768F3BF65; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <43FA0A96.6080702@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:29:42 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: How do YOU loop? References: <20060220121753.31004.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060220121753.31004.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) No, I don't think a regular fx loop works like this. In my case it's delay->fx->sent back into the delay input, a traditional fx loop would be ...->fx output->fx->NEW input. I think... Andreas rune fagereng wrote: > hi ! > > When you talk about "chopping into loop with effecks in feedback-chain, > do you uses the fx-loop on your device(EDP) ? > > Rune f > > > > */Andreas Wetterberg /* skrev: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:45:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD5F3BF6B; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: ElectroHarmonix 2880 vs. Repeater Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:45:25 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002101c6364d$d04a4db0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060220065603.86916.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY16ro/tXWmi1o9QN2JwohQr2xnXAAYcS/Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:45:30 +0000 (UTC) The short answer is: yes, you can. You'll need a MIDI pedal (or controller of whatever type) for this, there is no jack for controlling feedback with an expression pedal. That being said, about everyone controls the Repeater with a MIDI floorboard (I use a FCB1010). I never found the 3 or 4 minutes (don't know myself) limiting. Some (but only a few) people have a different opinion on this; you might search the archives for the looperlative discussion which happened recently and included a lengthy side-thread about maximum loop size. The Repeater has a few limitations. Some (like the maximum loop time) do not affect that many people in their playing. Others are more of a problem. To sum up the biggest drawbacks: * maximum loop time limit: you have to decided for yourself (no problem for me) * you can't go into overdub when closing a loop: This is a drawback for many people (including me). You can work around this by first recording an empty loop, closing it, and then overdubbing into it. But it's not the same. * S/N ratio. There are some hardware mods to improve this. Again, search the archives * Its internal MIDI clock is quite unstable. This is a problem either if you want to be extremely tight or if you want to MIDI-sync some delay effects to it (which causes clicks). Workaround. Sync the repeater to an external MIDI clock. Then there are things that no other looper can do. As Mark mentioned, syncing to a changing MIDI clock is among this. Then there's the timestretch/pitch shift feature. I personally enjoy varispeed very much. A pity it's discontinued. >"Being able to control this feedback level (usually with a pedal) is >obviously a major boon to loopers. It turns the loop into a living >entity, growing and changing over time versus a static loop with >overdubs (and perhaps undos)." Please tell me, can you do this with repeater ? >And how dont you find the 3-or4 minutes looping time as limiting ? Do you have any other loopers or is the repeater enough to make those >greate loops ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 18:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 920153BF74; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Faux Stereo Looping Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:55:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002201c6364f$35667060$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <64b81a780602192346g6165bc92re418a7d0c1a2dc15@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY18dCdpGBKhWGvT8ulxUn1QjUFGAAXGjbw Resent-Message-ID: <0Z-qD.A.E9E.gCh-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Working with filters to split the signal and then applying different = effects to each band is great fun! I did this one patch (on an Eclipse) with a = 48dB Crossover, followed by a pitch shifter which would shift both bands differently. Other devices to work such strange things which I used are the Nord = Modular and the FireworX. Coming back to your original idea. The Red Sound Federation does just = this (among other things). Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2006 08:47 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Faux Stereo Looping >=20 > I haven't tried it, but I just had an idea... (uh-oh, he had=20 > an idea, stand back!) >=20 > Could you break the mono track into seperate pieces using=20 > band-pass filters, then slightly pan (& effect, etc) the=20 > bands differently?=20 > (Probably want to mix back in a healthy dose of the original=20 > mono to smooth out the rought spots.) Not sure what=20 > tools/plugins could accomplish this, but I'm sure it can be=20 > done. May yeild interesting results. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 20:42:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00A73BF68; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SCIHuxtniAMX+oBjPD9oGUYEXzuv8d8gLqOVdrgt6waUNipqyf1WAwZjnW9prjLVG9yvkp2FKDG+Q2+o06RNMCUZAbIWrKkdjbcQ1uaen7AOWihQJehh6b6jY1kiKE6T0gex6u8WO6sS4+IRviI+2FI4MfbvQUjiZG1o4eRMbio= ; Message-ID: <20060220204256.95057.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:42:58 +0000 (UTC) --- hazard factor wrote: > any > tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing > software to give that mono > loop more depth? There's always the old 'stereoizing' trick that can be done with either software or hardware EQ. Split your mono signal and run it through a graphic eq with as many bands as possible; on one channel, bring every ODD band (1,3,5, etc) to 0, on the other channel, do the same thing with the EVEN bands. Then selectively bring up some of the remaining bands to compensate for the loss of essentially half the content of each channel, adjusting until you like the results. It's not true stereo in the sense of two-eared phase direction finding, but it does put subtly different content in each speaker/track. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 20:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6AA13BF73; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FNsaMfaXrWXDHRddTUkxxk+MksyXE2PdIAbQMx1Ahfi4Hp55G5l76Fvlb0HYSaYyhof/vweLcTPRKjIrUOk6h17dTbcZ+jA+k+KvPEi8Bcemp7TUpQNsEfICjhk07nfwYx9BWTLZPA7zv4tJRMD5zY/wurAxjS587juxU4RX2mA= ; Message-ID: <20060220204742.96711.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Faux Stereo Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <247A9A52.7C38CAD4.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6xQliB.A.2_.vri-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:47:43 +0000 (UTC) --- Tony Douglas wrote: > ...very very subtle chorus that do a > great job of "stereoising" a mono signal. Has this thread caused anyone else to have Terry Bozzio's voiceover from Jeff Beck's 'Guitar Shop' get stuck in their heads, or is it just me? :) -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 21:01:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BA443BF74; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o4mUhZjinqkTzGnJVKuTIV/cwTiSgkYVS9VDHUYkY7WVjqAhY7s1uH9O67ugp0elbNWCTr6f6M43jk1pE9813BOrStYEXOfgq+oPlYQ4+IQMcSdd7RkZmK1kD2ovE7r30UlqjPdPwFZUhofD/1xhjJKXXs3wq1bYW2DtCwSX1yU= ; Message-ID: <20060220210156.17076.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Faux Stereo Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060220133208.10136.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:01:58 +0000 (UTC) --- rune fagereng wrote: >Any thoughts of the electrix ? Electrix made two filter units; the Filter Factory (two spaces high, full rack width) and the Filter Queen (two units high, half rack width.) I've had a Filter Queen since Electrix's big pre-Repeater 'blowout' circa 2001, and I've been happy with it. > Please tell me do you use filter in EDP fx loop or > before the EDP ? You can use it in either place, depending if you want the filtered signal to be part of the loop or if you want to post-process your loop. > Have you listened to any of Eivind AArsets cd`s. > The norwegian guy that plays/played with Jon Hassell > and Nils Petter Molvær. He also has his own band. > Greate guitarist/composer and looper ! Eivind Aarset is indeed great. I only wish Jazzland releases were distributed with a higher profile; I had to special order the three Aarset CDs I have. I've never seen Eivind Aarset's stuff in stores here in the US, although I DID stumble across a disc by his labelmate Bugge Wesseltoft a couple of weeks ago. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 21:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACCA13BF7C; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FG/VSCgshvyqUKCgqExfOkaL600qfmr1RU2q6RXUwaDfGB7OHdAs61/LUgCx/DMcikLILoxraWynurLPKNsuoU/M8Gw+8EstMSxvZbAN9IoCOJBJ/stNH1BXH3ifH65cyhjRKQ7hkXlqyQDs6CTeExtgnWOobcsyuN/4tgk8QA4= Message-ID: <64b81a780602201352h33686f91qc6bac1ce6f9d2152@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:52:39 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <20060220204256.95057.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00db01c635db$2dd2af90$6500a8c0@presto> <20060220204256.95057.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:52:41 +0000 (UTC) That's what I was thinking. Lots of narrow bands would basically ping-pong the material if you set it up right. Todd On 2/20/06, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > any > > tricks with manipulating mono loops in editing > > software to give that mono > > loop more depth? > > There's always the old 'stereoizing' trick that can be > done with either software or hardware EQ. Split your > mono signal and run it through a graphic eq with as > many bands as possible; on one channel, bring every > ODD band (1,3,5, etc) to 0, on the other channel, do > the same thing with the EVEN bands. Then selectively > bring up some of the remaining bands to compensate for > the loss of essentially half the content of each > channel, adjusting until you like the results. It's > not true stereo in the sense of two-eared phase > direction finding, but it does put subtly different > content in each speaker/track. > > -t- > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 22:33:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81CFC3BF7F; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:33:11 EST Subject: Looping STUDENTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:33:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/20/06 5:30:49 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > one of my looping=A0 > students >=20 per.....how do you go about getting LOOPING STUDENTS, is it a different=20 approach than the OL GUTAR LESSONS?.....i remember kim suggesting this in th= e=20 past.....the main reason i mention this..... just back from the doc., had my= left=20 knee "scooped" a week ago where they go in and clean it up.....my right knee= =20 needs to be totally replaced, it's a mess but today he tells me and shows me= =20 pictures of my left (opereated on) knee and tells me after going in and look= ing=20 at it he has to totally replace it also.....otherwise the knee just continue= s=20 to degereate, the pain increases and then you die.....YIPEE.....i am going t= o=20 try to get disability if possible and not have to feed the people anymore, i= f i=20 can pull this off i will need to suppliment this disability money somehow,=20 it's a pretty low amount.....so i must think up a way to make a bit more and= i=20 insist that its thru music in some way.....what fun!.....thanks.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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per.....how do you go about getting LOOPING STUDENTS, is it a different a= pproach than the OL GUTAR LESSONS?.....i remember kim suggesting this in the= past.....the main reason i mention this..... just back from the doc., had m= y left knee "scooped" a week ago where they go in and clean it up.....my rig= ht knee needs to be totally replaced, it's a mess but today he tells me and=20= shows me pictures of my left (opereated on) knee and tells me after going in= and looking at it he has to totally replace it also.....otherwise the knee=20= just continues to degereate, the pain increases and then you die.....YIPEE..= ...i am going to try to get disability if possible and not have to feed the=20= people anymore, if i can pull this off i will need to suppliment this disabi= lity money somehow, it's a pretty low amount.....so i must think up a way to= make a bit more and i insist that its thru music in some way.....what fun!.= ....thanks.....mic



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 --part1_2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 22:44:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B75453BF84; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006c01c6366f$273a9be0$6701a8c0@DELL> From: "Peder Jakobsen" To: Subject: Newbie Question on Jaco Pastorious + JamMan Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:43:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C63645.312D6620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7MA_m.A.wNF.wYk-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:44:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C63645.312D6620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've just been introduced to looping, and being somewhat tired of the = complications of being in a band, it seems like an awsome way to make = some music solo that people can actually have fun listening to. I'm wondering if anyone knows what kind of setup Jaco used for his = typical looping bass solos. He'd get a short loop, maybe one second = going, and then he'd e.q out the bass and sculpt the sound a bit, not = sure how. Then he'd play his bass over the loop, but the bass sound = would remain ulaltered. Does this require some type of stereo setup? = How do you chage the sound coming from the looper going to the amp = without changing the resulting sound that you would play over that loop? Also, as a newbie, I'm wondering if a new DigiTech JamMan is a good = place to start? I got my eye on one at the local music store, hope it's = my ticket to solo egocentric bass pointyhead heaven! Thanks, Peder, Ottawa, Canada ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C63645.312D6620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I've just been introduced to looping, = and being=20 somewhat tired of the complications of being in a band, it seems like an = awsome=20 way to make some music solo that people can actually have fun listening=20 to.
 
I'm wondering if anyone knows what kind = of setup=20 Jaco used for his typical looping bass solos.  He'd get a short = loop, maybe=20 one second going, and then he'd e.q out the bass and sculpt the sound a = bit, not=20 sure how.  Then he'd play his bass over the loop, but the bass = sound would=20 remain ulaltered.  Does this require some type of stereo = setup?  How=20 do you chage the sound coming from the looper going to the amp without = changing=20 the resulting sound that you would play over that loop?
 
Also, as a newbie, I'm wondering if a = new DigiTech=20 JamMan is a good place to start?  I got my eye on one at the local = music=20 store, hope it's my ticket to solo egocentric bass pointyhead=20 heaven!
 
Thanks,
 
Peder, Ottawa, Canada
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C63645.312D6620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 22:56:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60E33BF62; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Looping Software Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:56:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7Wm1WB.A.zkF.ukk-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Hello loopers, I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might interest many of you. I've used it while performing with the likes of Fred Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for looping in many ways with many layers. There is also a surround sound version called Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while spinning sounds around in 5.1 or other surround sound configurations. First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre loop. There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the faux stereo effects that have been talked about. Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once a sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the loop points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to play back prerecorded samples as well. Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your loops into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural playback with. All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a foot pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution UC33 are great for hands on manipulation of the loops. There are a ton of other features in the software, random generators to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and more - check out the site, download a demo version or check out the videos I've made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. (http://www.kenaxis.com/) If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: stefan@kenaxis.com. As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man operation) if you start using the software and you have any requests - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it work better for you. Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 23:12:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01CE53BF74; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAPLU+UOICiw Message-ID: <005301c63673$25eebe20$0300a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0608-0, 20/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Stefan! You are going to be responsible for me having a sleepless night!!!! This looks amazing! Thank you... (just downloaded the OSX version) -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 20 23:23:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB583BF74; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xS+zqxLr+F5QmadsmCAEF4AAgH+ejYNOzE/gAMzMW/pHSDoviaTgoMCsamQkQ1qS8utvKFbojqrzmbtZx8boyRbRrBYtp0f/7N8szhxDu4eVxiG6UCLJzCur8ahOXJTLjphLpjbtQs2pO0/Hic+ttQ4sMCs81/y/KqiwQjMV/qM= ; Message-ID: <20060220232333.7110.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: ElectroHarmonix 2880 vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002101c6364d$d04a4db0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3PK-nC.A.A8G.39k-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:23:36 +0000 (UTC) another drawback that i have encountered (and correct me if i am wrong) is that u cannot trigger really stuttering short loops like u can with the EDP... cheers Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > The short answer is: yes, you can. > > You'll need a MIDI pedal (or controller of whatever > type) for this, there is > no jack for controlling feedback with an expression > pedal. That being said, > about everyone controls the Repeater with a MIDI > floorboard (I use a > FCB1010). > > I never found the 3 or 4 minutes (don't know myself) > limiting. Some (but > only a few) people have a different opinion on this; > you might search the > archives for the looperlative discussion which > happened recently and > included a lengthy side-thread about maximum loop > size. > > The Repeater has a few limitations. Some (like the > maximum loop time) do not > affect that many people in their playing. Others are > more of a problem. To > sum up the biggest drawbacks: > > * maximum loop time limit: you have to decided for > yourself (no problem for > me) > * you can't go into overdub when closing a loop: > This is a drawback for many people (including me). > You can work around this > by first recording an empty loop, closing it, and > then overdubbing into it. > But it's not the same. > * S/N ratio. There are some hardware mods to > improve this. Again, search > the archives > * Its internal MIDI clock is quite unstable. This > is a problem either if > you want to be extremely tight or if you want to > MIDI-sync some delay > effects to it (which causes clicks). Workaround. > Sync the repeater to an > external MIDI clock. > > Then there are things that no other looper can do. > As Mark mentioned, > syncing to a changing MIDI clock is among this. Then > there's the > timestretch/pitch shift feature. I personally enjoy > varispeed very much. > > A pity it's discontinued. > > >"Being able to control this feedback level > (usually with a pedal) > is > >obviously a major boon to loopers. It turns the > loop into a living > >entity, growing and changing over time versus a > static loop with > >overdubs (and perhaps undos)." Please tell me, can > you do this with > repeater ? > >And how dont you find the 3-or4 minutes looping > time as limiting ? > Do you have any other loopers or is the repeater > enough to make those > >greate loops ? > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 00:21:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07C743BF68; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43FA5CF4.1040501@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:21:08 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Software References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> In-Reply-To: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Very nice! What's the realistic time frame on the "coming soon" version for Windows? Doug Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > Hello loopers, > > I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of > software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might interest > many of you. I've used it while performing with the likes of Fred > Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for looping in many ways > with many layers. There is also a surround sound version called > Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while spinning sounds around in 5.1 > or other surround sound configurations. > > First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback > control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre loop. > There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the faux > stereo effects that have been talked about. > > Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once a > sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the loop > points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to play back > prerecorded samples as well. > > Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your loops > into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural playback with. > > All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a foot > pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution UC33 are > great for hands on manipulation of the loops. > > There are a ton of other features in the software, random generators > to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and more - check > out the site, download a demo version or check out the videos I've > made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. (http://www.kenaxis.com/) > > If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: > stefan@kenaxis.com. > > As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man > operation) if you start using the software and you have any requests > - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it work better > for you. > > Stefan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 00:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 519453BF81; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=h8A6FmAfTGT9hDwD6xD4mHQJ39Noh8p/ztPSYqWeePbkzZTrg/Dn7G1+dvNFQRjI; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:30:51 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping STUDENTS From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3223297851_165222_MIME_Part" X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48f36f2f591a21c70d39186addb3fdc68ed10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.1.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:30:55 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3223297851_165222_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Damn-thatsa bada news there Mikee!! somethin about us waiter types that makes the body break down quicker than most folks!?! well, best of luck Mr. EastCoast LooperType guy...thoughts are witcha :-) yeah & teaching a person looping has got to be like oh i dunno learning a new language for someone? seeya staninsanfran on 2/20/06 2:33 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/20/06 5:30:49 AM, per@boysen.se writes: one of my looping=A0 students per.....how do you go about getting LOOPING STUDENTS, is it a different approach than the OL GUTAR LESSONS?.....i remember kim suggesting this in the past.....the main reason i mention this..... just back from the doc., had my left knee "scooped" a week ago where they go in and clean it up.....my right knee needs to be totally replaced, it's a mess but today he tells me and shows me pictures of my left (opereated on) knee and tells me after going in and looking at it he has to totally replace it also.....otherwise the knee just continues to degereate, the pain increases and then you die.....YIPEE.....i am going to try to get disability if possible and not have to feed the people anymore, if i can pull this off i will need to suppliment this disability money somehow, it's a pretty low amount.....so i must think up a way to make a bit more and i insist that it= s thru music in some way.....what fun!.....thanks.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --MS_Mac_OE_3223297851_165222_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping STUDENTS Damn-thatsa bada news there Mikee!!
somethin about us waiter types that makes the body break down quicker than = most folks!?!
well, best of luck Mr. EastCoast LooperType guy...thoughts are witcha  = ;:-)
yeah & teaching a person looping has got to be like oh i dunno learning= a new language for someone?
seeya
staninsanfran





on 2/20/06 2:33 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com at Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/20/06 5= :30:49 AM, per@boysen.se writes:
one of my looping=A0
students
per.....how do you go about getting LOOPING STUDENTS, is it a different app= roach than the OL GUTAR LESSONS?.....i remember kim suggesting this in the p= ast.....the main reason i mention this..... just back from the doc., had my = left knee "scooped" a week ago where they go in and clean it up...= ..my right knee needs to be totally replaced, it's a mess but today he tells= me and shows me pictures of my left (opereated on) knee and tells me after = going in and looking at it he has to totally replace it also.....otherwise t= he knee just continues to degereate, the pain increases and then you die....= .YIPEE.....i am going to try to get disability if possible and not have to f= eed the people anymore, if i can pull this off i will need to suppliment thi= s disability money somehow, it's a pretty low amount.....so i must think up = a way to make a bit more and i insist that its thru music in some way.....wh= at fun!.....thanks.....mic
www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11


--MS_Mac_OE_3223297851_165222_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 00:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1143BF86; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NS+44HK0Y6kfdqfnzDXorbwiN+DsC61lqpcHNrNnTYDuQ8QezBW9HCqNWMkpuLb8NOM2FIJJLq92Yj1It/vmd/wU8g+mj7sm3bkKhkb7lAkMb+b9ikMHPKapof+slds9y0Tw+yG1JIuPD1Ou6V/ne7yo8bjX20E0KGzoMkz7I3k= ; Message-ID: <20060221005459.9535.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping STUDENTS/plastic kneecaps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:55:00 +0000 (UTC) For Mr. Klobuchar's loop-opera about the state of his knees, follow the CT-Collective link in my sig file (down there at the bottom), go to 'projects', find 'CT-Poem', and check out Michael's tune 'It's About Shirts'... :) -t- --- stanitarium wrote: > Damn-thatsa bada news there Mikee!! > somethin about us waiter types that makes the body > break down quicker than > most folks!?! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 03:41:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B6D23BF82; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060220193053.01b1bf60@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:41:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Low Power Radio Stations [was: PAYOLA] In-Reply-To: <00e301c6349c$1037e940$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <007201c6342a$ab16d970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43F68D74.505@soundscapes.us> <00e301c6349c$1037e940$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Enough with the capital letters already. :-P~ "I don't want to smash the state, I want my own damn state." Forget payola. Why do payola when in the USA you can have your very own noncommercial educational broadcasting radio station with a range of about 3.5 miles? See: US Federal Communications Commission: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lpfm/index.html Prometheus Radio Project: http://www.prometheusradio.org/ A cheaper and easier route is simply to get a friendly ear at your local campus radio station. Your best market is probably college students anyway. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 05:19:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF4553BF8C; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Feb 2006 05:19:40 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:19:41 -0500 Subject: Gig Spam: Berkeley: Joe Rut, Goh Nakamura, Greta Auk X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060221051942.0619C86B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopers- Here's a loop-related show this Friday in Berkeley Joe Rut, Goh Nakamura, The Great Auk Epic Arts Teahouse 1923 Ashby @ MLK, Berkeley (Across street from BART station) Doors at 8:00, Show at 8:30 Fri Feb 24th $5-10 donation &=A0 no one turned away for lack of funds All ages I met Goh Nakamura last year while sharing a bill at he Y2K5 Looping Festiv= al in Santa=20 Cruz, where he blew my mind.=A0 Goh is an amazing singer/songwriter who=20 utilizes looping technology in incredibly subtle and musical ways to shade = his songs.=A0 Not=20 to be missed.=A0 He is a member of the band, The Invisible Cities (who were= voted best Indie=20 Pop Band in the Bay Guardian's=A0 2005 "best of" poll), and has been a "stu= nt guitarist" on=20 many recordings both here and in the Boston music scene. His new solo CD is= garnering=20 rave reviews.=A0 He doesn't often play on this side of the bay, so come che= ck it out The Great Auk are the charming duo of two of my favorite people: Carrie Bra= dley (Ed's=20 Redeeming Qualities, 100 Watt Smile) and Bernie Jungle (Warm Wires, Lipsey = Mountain=20 Spring Band...and he's the guy playing that kooky home-made drum kit at my = last couple=20 of shows!). With guitar and fiddle accompaniment, they sing beautifully idi= osyncratic songs=20 that make you glad to be alive, assuming you are. I'll be doing a song-based set utilizing some looping and some non-looping = stuff. Should be fun. The Epic Arts Teahouse is a living room-style, very intimat= e setting. It's basically a converted flat. Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 07:09:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6D833BF8C; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7@aol.com> References: <2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B8FE55D-C766-41D1-980B-5CDC8094E714@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping STUDENTS Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:09:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:09:49 +0000 (UTC) On 20 feb 2006, at 23.33, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > per.....how do you go about getting LOOPING STUDENTS, is it a > different approach than the OL GUTAR LESSONS?.....i remember kim > suggesting this in the past.....the main reason i mention this.... I didn't go about that much. The music university had two students focusing on live looping for their exam concerts and they contacted me as an external advisor. The school has a little budget for paying teachers brought in form the outside world. I also teach the software Logic, and that's just the same. Studios and schools call me up. When that happens I set up a course schedule asap and send over, so they will see what good stuff they will be paying me for ;-) I think the trick is to get the word around about what you are good at and good at teaching others. When I released a book with another guy we both got many offers as speakers. Although I'm not doing it, I guess you can market yourself by calling the right people and tell them that your specific skills may fit in as a special event that can inspire what they are normally doing. Oh... almost forgot, I did a little marketing three years ago when Rick Walker and Matthias Grob came over to Sweden to play. It took almost six months of phone calls and mailing but the effort made it possible for me to book a tour with only paid concerts that left some bags of money to split at the end. The strategy is simple: it's just about doing the research. taking the action and keeping it up. (the downside is that administrational work is so boring ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 07:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 484583BF88; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:05:09 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: FT: Roland GR700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43FABBA5.8090808@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:10:21 +0000 (UTC) anyone want to trade a gr700 for an mks30? or??? shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 07:16:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 357E73BF94; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J/KeS22LInTUs3c7U9CUCpQg+uo8irFNNQddrsyefqTiQxFVzvGat2GUH7Vh1rG08B1WHRYaGIy/IqcjuFDOcj9vJNThEPEjbw+813189nOhbtCu+UsFTl6SC52fBA95d7JxXUQAmq9HoRpapJa9XREBdszqku9g4k1YygDJJVI= ; Message-ID: <20060221071616.33508.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: The Non-Tape-Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060220060938.02D243BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9LHyTC.A.stH.B5r-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:16:18 +0000 (UTC) I belive your memory may be suspect. From the liner notes to the album: "The solo guitar part to "Signified" is manual repetition in comparison with technological repetition of the Frippertronics and is the complete second take. The first take broke down after 6 1/2 minutes." Stephen > An additional note about Under Heavy Manners was that apparently during Zero > of the Signified, the tape broke, but Fripp had the master loop to later > overdub that fast arpeggio onto. I don't remember the exact liner notes > though, it's been a couple of decades. > > Stephen Goodman > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 07:51:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5EA13BF92; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: way OT: throwies Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:51:05 +0100 Message-ID: <005501c636bb$92036c80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY2u5EV9hiDZ9XTR4K0G2cneAwJ4A== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:51:13 +0000 (UTC) http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/7DBB34EAEDFF1028A1FC001143E7E506/?ALLSTEPS nice idea. watch the video -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 08:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 882803BF9B; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43FA5CF4.1040501@pdq.net> References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> <43FA5CF4.1040501@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93652D9C-68CB-49AB-8B40-450B16D5D531@kenaxis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:11:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:12:02 +0000 (UTC) If I get enough interest I can release a windows version quite quickly say within a month. Let me know how many of you on this list are PC only folk and interested in the software and I'll see if I can make it happen sooner rather than later. Stefan On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Very nice! > > What's the realistic time frame on the "coming soon" version for > Windows? > > Doug > > Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > >> Hello loopers, >> >> I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece >> of software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might >> interest many of you. I've used it while performing with the >> likes of Fred Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for >> looping in many ways with many layers. There is also a surround >> sound version called Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while >> spinning sounds around in 5.1 or other surround sound >> configurations. >> >> First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback >> control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre >> loop. There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the >> faux stereo effects that have been talked about. >> >> Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once >> a sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the >> loop points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to >> play back prerecorded samples as well. >> >> Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your >> loops into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural >> playback with. >> >> All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a >> foot pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution >> UC33 are great for hands on manipulation of the loops. >> >> There are a ton of other features in the software, random >> generators to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and >> more - check out the site, download a demo version or check out >> the videos I've made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. >> (http://www.kenaxis.com/) >> >> If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: >> stefan@kenaxis.com. >> >> As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man >> operation) if you start using the software and you have any >> requests - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it >> work better for you. >> >> Stefan >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 08:14:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EC803BF9E; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:14:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060220105558.95843.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: delays and Fripps`soundscape Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:13:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2006 08:14:02.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6868A70:01C636BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:14:04 +0000 (UTC)

Hi there,

It's my understanding that Bobby uses up to 4 loops at a time, running at different lengths.  He can then feed any of the four with new material as he sees fit.  It sounds to me like they are all set at less than 100% feedback so things are always fading away to be replaced by new material and I'm sure he can change the feedback rate on the fly.  Each time the loops come around they are at different places in relation to each other, hence the evolvingness................ I've seen him do the soundscape thing a few times (starting way back when with the two Revoxes)  I've tried to analyze what he's doing but not too far in to the performance I see the futility of that and engage "active listening".  Close my eyes and experience.  Oops, getting a little off track - you're going to need at least a couple of loops going at the same time to have everything shifting against each other and therefore not just coming back around each time the same ie; in the same sync, only fading out and with new layers being added.  The Boss DD-20 is very hip for doing two layers of different lengths against each other.  You can set it up, for example, with a 23 second loop and an 18 second loop, both set to fade out slowly, then switch back and forth and add layers to each one, one at a time.  It comes from the factory so that switching loops goes from 1 to five and back around again erasing the third to last loop recorded each time you switch to another loop, however, you can get it to switch just between two and niether of them gets erased as you go back and forth.  Many a late nite hour spent in this endeavor at my place.  Good for putting off the nieghbors if not the immediate family too!

Good luck with your search!  

 Oh and by the way, I got no idea what your buzz or hum or whatever might be.  Perhaps describe it a little more.  Does it build with the loop?  60 cycle just adding to itself over and over?

Rob Cathcart

From:  rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  delays and Fripps`soundscape
Date:  Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:55:58 +0100 (CET)

Does anyone know how to get close to Fripps` soundscape by using the delay. I understand its importent to use the expression-pedal on the feedback-controll. What about mix regarding the direct and delay-sound ? And I am having problems with unwanted (hum) sounds ! Any thoughts ?
  
 
  
Rune         

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 08:25:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7E73BF92; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <005501c636bb$92036c80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <005501c636bb$92036c80$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50FC8AB9-CB9F-49F2-82AE-F8C21D7EB911@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: way OT: throwies Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:25:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:25:19 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2006, at 08.51, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/7DBB34EAEDFF1028A1FC001143E7E506/? > ALLSTEPS > nice idea. watch the video Nice video! For some strange reason the soundtrack was sent out though my 5.1 bass woofer only... gave a mysterious grandeur to those "light bulb terrorist" activities. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 08:40:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895DC3BF96; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:40:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:40:51 +0000 (UTC) On 20 feb 2006, at 23.56, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > (http://www.kenaxis.com/) Hi Stefan, The PDF Manual for VBAP is not linked on the download page. Was it meant to be downloadable? Right now it isn't. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 09:28:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB013BF9C; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012f01c636c9$22e99e60$0400a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <2b3.4f23e49.312b9da7@aol.com> Subject: OT: Knees. Was: Looping STUDENTS Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:16:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi, My Dad had both his knees totally replaced when he was around 55. They had degenerated totally due to arthritis. A couple of weeks after the op he was photographed dancing at my sister's 21st birthday party, with his knees still bandaged. In all, a very successful procedure and his knees were still going strong when he passed away at 65. It's a daunting thing to go through, but with a good surgeon and a following wind it works. All the best, Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: Looping STUDENTS In a message dated 2/20/06 5:30:49 AM, per@boysen.se writes: ..... just back from the doc., had my left knee "scooped" a week ago where they go in and clean it up.....my right knee needs to be totally replaced, it's a mess but today he tells me and shows me pictures of my left (opereated on) knee and tells me after going in and looking at it he has to totally replace it also.....otherwise the knee just continues to degereate, the pain increases and then you die.....YIPEE.....i am going to try to get disability if possible and not have to feed the people anymore, if i can pull this off i will need to suppliment this disability money somehow, it's a pretty low amount.....so i must think up a way to make a bit more and i insist that its thru music in some way.....what fun!.....thanks.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 10:17:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224DE3BFA0; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=etxZUmJnnDZOf8evDSQM/Fqje5ZKemXjS/ttph8LXGr6O+ydGik3OADInFs+EEeP7qOVcv6EtqboaeP3B39ythQbT65SHN+Y9Mgcnvzz3OD2rs4TZYQAwY2uNjPIpYr2jGtyrfevm2StIeDaLH1pW+Ehk3Nws8AmzJT4ugzIRwk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602210217w273a308l401df16467eae327@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:17:24 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Software Cc: stefan@kenaxis.com In-Reply-To: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:17:26 +0000 (UTC) On 2/20/06, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of > software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) This is fascinating. One worry for me, though, is the apparent lack of AU plugin support. Are there plans to implement that? It's just that as a Logic Pro user my whole focus has been on assembling a collection of AUs (which I also use in Numerology, Plogue Bidule etc). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 10:34:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8284B3BFAA; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAKt2+kOICCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060221103234.02869580@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:33:14 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <20060220224401.335C43BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060220224401.335C43BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:34:20 +0000 (UTC) At 22:44 20/02/06, you wrote: >Interesting. And here I thought I had invented it all by myself. ;) > >Todd keep inventing, the next one will be something new andy- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 10:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A84B3BF98; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALF9+kOICCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060221103742.02865080@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:49:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <20060220224401.335C43BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060220224401.335C43BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:50:36 +0000 (UTC) >That's what I was thinking. Lots of narrow bands would basically >ping-pong the material if you set it up right. > >Todd Way back I did some experiments with my TLA EQ1. That's a very high quality valve eq with a very broad band width. I found that different sources worked well with different settings. ...but always quite a subtle mid range lift on each side, compensated by an equivalent dip on the opposite side. This produced a sound that was just like the original when the 2 channels were mixed back to mono. With an old mono recording of the Ornette Coleman Quartet I was able to get Ornette (sax) on one side , and Don Cherry (trumpet) on the other. You may find that a lot of narrow band filtering will cause degradation of the sound quality. ..of course, if it sounds right anyway , then................. It's also worth trying a different "Allpass" filter on each channel. That's a filter that doesn't change the frequency content, but shifts the phase differently for different frequencies. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 11:59:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AB783BFA4; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c636de$38e13240$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060221071616.33508.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Non-Tape-Loop Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:59:07 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:59:19 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "S V G" > > I belive your memory may be suspect. From the liner notes to the > album: > > "The solo guitar part to "Signified" is manual repetition in > comparison with technological > repetition of the Frippertronics and is the complete second take. The > first take broke down after > 6 1/2 minutes." Well it HAS been over twenty years since I read the liner notes! You are otherwise correct sir. I however interpreted (and still do lacking of other definitions) that "the first take broke down" to mean that the tape broke. Guess not, huh? Well, what DOES that mean? A look at RF's diary these days will show a use of a personal shorthand for things that would cause one to wonder about the "take broke down" meaning - so perhaps what this meant could be a couple of items, yes? Sometimes when I construct a loop (on the fly that is) it becomes something I didn't and don't want - such as when an accidental off-tempo-to-the-loop bit happens, which causes the entire loop to simulate a musical version of sneakers in a clothes dryer. End result, I don't want to keep it, and it represents something I don't wish to be publicly "mine" per se. On that level, at the point of mistake and afterwards, I could say that the "take broke down". > Stephen > > > > >> An additional note about Under Heavy Manners was that apparently during >> Zero >> of the Signified, the tape broke, but Fripp had the master loop to later >> overdub that fast arpeggio onto. I don't remember the exact liner notes >> though, it's been a couple of decades. >> >> Stephen Goodman >> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 11:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9FC3BFAB; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c636de$49bef9d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> <43FA5CF4.1040501@pdq.net> <93652D9C-68CB-49AB-8B40-450B16D5D531@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:59:35 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:59:42 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Sent: Tuesday, 21 February, 2006 08:11 AM Subject: Re: Looping Software > If I get enough interest I can release a windows version quite > quickly say within a month. Let me know how many of you on this list > are PC only folk and interested in the software and I'll see if I can > make it happen sooner rather than later. > > Stefan > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > >> Very nice! >> >> What's the realistic time frame on the "coming soon" version for >> Windows? >> >> Doug >> >> Stefan Smulovitz wrote: >> >>> Hello loopers, >>> >>> I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece >>> of software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might >>> interest many of you. I've used it while performing with the >>> likes of Fred Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for >>> looping in many ways with many layers. There is also a surround >>> sound version called Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while >>> spinning sounds around in 5.1 or other surround sound >>> configurations. >>> >>> First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback >>> control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre >>> loop. There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the >>> faux stereo effects that have been talked about. >>> >>> Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once >>> a sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the >>> loop points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to >>> play back prerecorded samples as well. >>> >>> Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your >>> loops into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural >>> playback with. >>> >>> All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a >>> foot pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution >>> UC33 are great for hands on manipulation of the loops. >>> >>> There are a ton of other features in the software, random >>> generators to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and >>> more - check out the site, download a demo version or check out >>> the videos I've made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. >>> (http://www.kenaxis.com/) >>> >>> If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: >>> stefan@kenaxis.com. >>> >>> As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man >>> operation) if you start using the software and you have any >>> requests - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it >>> work better for you. >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 12:26:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11D2D3BFB5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:22:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-reply-to: <64b81a780602191224m722c6d43wa5e307af0ea9a0bc@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43FB0620.9020401@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060218021841.04697880@loopers-delight.com> <43F8C0A8.9060607@soundscapes.us> <64b81a780602191224m722c6d43wa5e307af0ea9a0bc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Todd Pafford wrote: >Bill, > >You're on the right track with feedback. Indeed, for a looper to loop >indefinitely, feedback would be at unity gain or 100%. However, if >you want the loop to slowly change over time as you add new bits and >old bits fade to nothingness you'd want feedback set at something less >than 100%. If feedback is set at 97% for example, it takes so long >for the old stuff to fade out that a listener may be ignorant of the >subtle changes until a half-hour later they find the loop is >completely different from where they started. Conversly, if a >musician wanted to quickly get rid of a section they may set feedback >to something like 50%, where the next time around the existing >material will only be half as loud and new stuff will easily cover it. > >Being able to control this feedback level (usually with a pedal) is >obviously a major boon to loopers. It turns the loop into a living >entity, growing and changing over time versus a static loop with >overdubs (and perhaps undos). > >Todd > Ah ha! So I am suffering my usual problem with semantics. Here, I thought that a looper had no need of feedback since it was designed to repeat a sound forever. Perhaps we should call that a "pure looper." All it does is loop. That's it. Nothing else. This perfectly describes the RC-20. It either plays a loop, or another loop or is idle. It also describes the Akai Headrush in loop mode when the feedback knob has no effect. These two machines are not digital delays. (Well, the Akai is, but not when its mode switch puts it into loop mode.) A delay, be it tape, analog electronics, or digital electronics, can be made into a looper only when feedback is 100% (unity). But it is not a "pure" looper since you have to set it up into a special case in order to achieve a pure looping state. Since I own the RC-20 and Headrush, these have shaped my view of (pure) looping. So when the rest of the looping community talks about looping and includes delay systems (like a pair of Revox machines separated by many feet but sharing tape, or any number or analog and digital delay units), I guess that I had better get with the program. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 12:36:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE0B3BFB5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:32:16 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43FB0850.1000008@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:02 +0000 (UTC) rob cathcart wrote: > Get ahold of some of Robert Fripp's soundscapes and you will get a > feeling for what can be done with feedback. As Todd mentioned, the > wall of sound is constanly shifting in and out and eventually morphs > into something "completely different". Understand that Mr Fripp is > perhaps a bit ahead of most of the rest of us........................ ;) > > Rob Cathcart > Not really. When most of us only knew Fripp as a member of King Crimson and before becoming aware of his "looping" music (which by my previous thought process is just echo music), many of us in the world of (academic) electronic music and avant-garde music (very small communities) were already doing that sort of thing. Fripp and Eno were merely the first pop/rock/whatever musicians to release this stuff on records to a much larger audience. (Yes, I know that I'm a blasphemer!) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 12:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13D033BFB8; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1140525384!30378586!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E65@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ElectroHarmonix 2880 vs. Repeater Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C636E3.6AFE3AC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:28 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C636E3.6AFE3AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>another drawback that i have encountered (and correct me if i am wrong) is that u cannot trigger really stuttering short loops like u can with the EDP...<< on the repeater, you just bang the start button (or equivalent) over & over...... as fast as you like..... duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C636E3.6AFE3AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: ElectroHarmonix 2880 vs. Repeater

>>another drawback that i have encountered (and correct
me if i am wrong) is that u cannot trigger really
stuttering short loops like u can with the EDP...<<

on the repeater, you just bang the start button (or equivalent) over & over...... as fast as you like.....

duncan.

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The problem with this is that the FCC is slow at approving licenses, regulations cause transmitter, antenna, and engineering costs much more expensive than payola, and, in the northeast at any rate, there is little bandwidth left. Even a 5 watt station will cause interference to other, pre-existing stations using the frequency you think is clear in your vicinity. This is not a problem as you get into the midwest, especially away from large metropolitan areas. > A cheaper and easier route is simply to get a friendly ear at your > local campus radio station. Your best market is probably college > students anyway. Bingo! Cheers, Bill - who has two shows on WMUH - Muhlenberg College's radio station. I have one show at WDIY, but it is a stand-alone community public radio station that isn't affiliated with any other institution. 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Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931723BFB2; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=cs5PuNFKjnBPiW8xpZUrmCZPDbNbvfkv/8iPFKncBqY37bJcmqwKCq5uNnRB6+IgdP1huc0de5SVkwK44/WZqrHN4qZehTTfi5TrLVo1bartLk9mPkQt3HZOhBu4/stk3VcXcET34yxmUw7/nZBQA+WDKj0f//9mupMNGHScQVw= Message-ID: <035201c636ec$41d68f40$2533fea9@NOVO> From: "Mr.subliminal" To: References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> <43FA5CF4.1040501@pdq.net> <93652D9C-68CB-49AB-8B40-450B16D5D531@kenaxis.com> Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:39:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Count me in for a windows version; e would love to use this software Stefan :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Looping Software > If I get enough interest I can release a windows version quite quickly > say within a month. Let me know how many of you on this list are PC only > folk and interested in the software and I'll see if I can make it happen > sooner rather than later. > > Stefan > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > >> Very nice! >> >> What's the realistic time frame on the "coming soon" version for >> Windows? >> >> Doug >> >> Stefan Smulovitz wrote: >> >>> Hello loopers, >>> >>> I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of >>> software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might interest >>> many of you. I've used it while performing with the likes of Fred >>> Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for looping in many ways >>> with many layers. There is also a surround sound version called >>> Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while spinning sounds around in 5.1 or >>> other surround sound configurations. >>> >>> First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback >>> control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre loop. >>> There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the faux stereo >>> effects that have been talked about. >>> >>> Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once a >>> sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the loop >>> points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to play back >>> prerecorded samples as well. >>> >>> Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your loops >>> into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural playback with. >>> >>> All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a foot >>> pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution UC33 are >>> great for hands on manipulation of the loops. >>> >>> There are a ton of other features in the software, random generators >>> to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and more - check >>> out the site, download a demo version or check out the videos I've >>> made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. >>> (http://www.kenaxis.com/) >>> >>> If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: >>> stefan@kenaxis.com. >>> >>> As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man >>> operation) if you start using the software and you have any requests - >>> I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it work better for >>> you. >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 14:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19A683BFBC; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:32:24 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Software Message-ID: <20060221133224.GA32470@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: <4DWrf.A.-_H._Uy-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:35:44 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 02:56:38PM -0800, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > Hello loopers, > If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: > stefan@kenaxis.com. > > As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man > operation) if you start using the software and you have any requests > - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it work better > for you. > > Stefan > Speaking of different versions - I use seq24 and sooperlooper in combo with my echoplex on a linux system. I put my vote in for something in the linux world. :O) rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 14:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608FC3BFC3; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eT57DJINelwdOnYbk/MQyaNizFlv7Ek9KJwbL1xLY2JR4HhC+LsLnaMoabaGyiLQLsDK9wisPluZw05FIvLRly36RKGvOFssdGp174Gob9riHA8IGjnGYZELj0hs2ouq3AexS/Zm5qdWlssDGJrY/GeMS4jWm9xpEtM1zQm08Oc= ; Message-ID: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-544813895-1140532770=:41453" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:39:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-544813895-1140532770=:41453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar. I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject. 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I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar.
 
I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject.
 
Thanks,
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Mail. --0-544813895-1140532770=:41453-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:25:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC7743BFB5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:29:27 +0100 Message-Id: <200602211629.AA16974302@relay.unguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "luca" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Looping Software X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:25:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Stefan Smulovitz >If I get enough interest I can release a windows version quite >quickly say within a month. Count me in. Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:30:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087003BFB4; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13364232.1140535810455.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:30:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: M-Audio exp. pedal and tiny cable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang: I recently purchased 3 of those M-Audio expression pedals, only $25 at Musician's Fiend. They seem reasonably well made, snd they are lightweight, but I was under the impression that they let you use your own TRS cables. My mistake! They come hard-wired with these SHORT teeny little 7-foot cables. Looks like I'll have to return all those TRS cables I ordered ;-) Those of you who use them must stand REALLY close to your racks (LOL). Guess I will, too. Bemused, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:31:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02F53BFCF; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42425C22-C514-4F0C-8B55-5D58C2A6BB45@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:31:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2006, at 15.39, Rafko M wrote: > I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects > that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. > guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar. Hitting the body of the guitar sounds percussive, especially if it's an acoustic. You can also hit muted strings with a stick or whatever. Scraping strings with pick or nails sound like shakers... etc, etc. Just experiment and see what different pickup and tone knob combinations makes possible. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73C303BFCD; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D1FD405-6CF8-4A2F-90C7-570C9E135046@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3EA0FD.A.GOC.gMz-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:34:56 +0000 (UTC) On 21 feb 2006, at 15.39, Rafko M wrote: > I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects > that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. > guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar. And of course (I forgot this in my other post) record "guitar percussion" at different pitches. Strumming a muted string recorded at normal/high pitch will sound as a kick drum when transposed down one octave in the looping device. Same goes for hi-hat patterns you tap gently with the side of the pick against a muted string; if recorded at low speed/pitch they sound faster, brighter and tighter at high/normal pitch/speed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 105FD3BFDA; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:35:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY2cO3Fv4I7RUseQ1W6qJAIsrFsWQAi1VBw In-Reply-To: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> Message-Id: <20060221153543.A8FFA3BFC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9uGHu.A.4SC.PNz-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:35:43 +0000 (UTC) This looks very powerful! Can kenaxis sync to incoming midi clock? -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Smulovitz [mailto:stefan@kenaxis.com] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Software Hello loopers, I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might interest many of you. I've used it while performing with the likes of Fred Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for looping in many ways with many layers. There is also a surround sound version called Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while spinning sounds around in 5.1 or other surround sound configurations. First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre loop. There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the faux stereo effects that have been talked about. Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once a sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the loop points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to play back prerecorded samples as well. Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your loops into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural playback with. All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a foot pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution UC33 are great for hands on manipulation of the loops. There are a ton of other features in the software, random generators to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and more - check out the site, download a demo version or check out the videos I've made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. (http://www.kenaxis.com/) If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: stefan@kenaxis.com. As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man operation) if you start using the software and you have any requests - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it work better for you. Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DF933BFC5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:55:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200602211629.AA16974302@relay.unguitar.com> Message-Id: <7892DDAB-A2F2-11DA-A46C-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:55:28 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 07:29 AM, luca wrote: > From: Stefan Smulovitz >> If I get enough interest I can release a windows version quite >> quickly say within a month. > > Count me in. > Luca > > And me also. Although I have both XP and OSX machines in the studio, my live laptop is XP, and Kenaxis looks like an especially fun live tool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 15:57:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279593BFCB; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:55:14 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Software X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J14a3.2833S.0874M" Message-Id: <20060221.075607.23472.319916@webmail66.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3141681260 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5Dvf8jzL0eCu6AC5WltmCkg1WwnAf/HJCQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.206|webmail66.nyc.untd.com|webmail66.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:57:08 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J14a3.2833S.0874M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain I would be interested in a Windows Version! = Weg ----__JWM__J14a3.2833S.0874M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

I would be interested in a Windows Version!

 

Weg

----__JWM__J14a3.2833S.0874M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:25:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 866013BFBB; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=N1aTeBL9ONG7rUNtaKwWpIJkDVtxUdobfLYLMiqBNXV/oWv3O6s1FU40JfF/xelDZP20upjBfRq/Q6umVsq5lI5pyj0p0cQsMmusktojbgyOCsPtDIuK1Xa1k3V58z6CQPAieF7QSAoX8uLKxQdbb/MiQ/EYWXZIKrW0WO0CPrM= ; Message-ID: <012c01c63703$77a59e10$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060221.075607.23472.319916@webmail66.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:25:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01C6370B.D7CBE670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:25:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C6370B.D7CBE670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would also like to test it on XP. Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Weg=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Looping Software I would be interested in a Windows Version! Weg ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C6370B.D7CBE670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would also like to test it on = XP.
 
Ben
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I would be interested in a Windows Version!

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C6370B.D7CBE670-- ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:49:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C76C3BFC8; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:26:55 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Rafko M , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005001c63706$fcb21ae0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NY5ySLG2ANgJ3J+XA6tRKQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:49:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_NY5ySLG2ANgJ3J+XA6tRKQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Prepared guitar. Like John Cage's prepared piano. Weave paper clips, toothpicks, guitar picks, erasers, whatever between the strings anywhere from near the bridge to near the end of the neck. Instant drums, gongs, shakers, etc. And the price is right. dB, ----- Original Message ----- From: Rafko M To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar. I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject. Thanks, Rale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --Boundary_(ID_NY5ySLG2ANgJ3J+XA6tRKQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Prepared guitar. Like John Cage's prepared piano. Weave paper clips, toothpicks, guitar picks, erasers, whatever between the strings anywhere from near the bridge to near the end of the neck. Instant drums, gongs, shakers, etc. And the price is right.
dB,
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I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar.
 
I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject.
 
Thanks,
Rale

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--Boundary_(ID_NY5ySLG2ANgJ3J+XA6tRKQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:51:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8924A3BFC5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602210217w273a308l401df16467eae327@mail.gmail.com> References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> <353e2ed80602210217w273a308l401df16467eae327@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11D70386-AEF7-4189-A71F-E141BE5F16DD@kenaxis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:50:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:51:03 +0000 (UTC) The software is written in Max/MSP which has promised AU support in its next release. At this point Kenaxis updates are free so as soon as I can implement AU support it will be there. Stefan On Feb 21, 2006, at 2:17 AM, David Morton wrote: > On 2/20/06, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > >> I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of >> software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) > > This is fascinating. One worry for me, though, is the apparent lack of > AU plugin support. > > Are there plans to implement that? It's just that as a Logic Pro user > my whole focus has been on assembling a collection of AUs (which I > also use in Numerology, Plogue Bidule etc). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 16:58:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C93373BFD1; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060221153543.A8FFA3BFC0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060221153543.A8FFA3BFC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:58:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:58:15 +0000 (UTC) There are no sync abilities as of right now. My personal interest lies in avoiding any kind of grid/beat structure so things are much more fluid in Kenaxis. It is not like Live where it moves everything to the grid. You can sync things in Kenaxis and I have plans for adding additional sync features but they are not the focus. I do want the software to be as flexible a tool as possible so these things will be incorporated as requests are made. Stefan On Feb 21, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > This looks very powerful! Can kenaxis sync to incoming midi clock? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Smulovitz [mailto:stefan@kenaxis.com] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looping Software > > Hello loopers, > > I'm a musician and software developer that has developed a piece of > software called Kenaxis (http://www.kenaxis.com/) that might interest > many of you. I've used it while performing with the likes of Fred > Frith, Evan Parker and Uri Caine - It allows for looping in many ways > with many layers. There is also a surround sound version called > Kenaxis VBAP that lets you loop while spinning sounds around in 5.1 > or other surround sound configurations. > > First - there is a 30 second delay with complete mix and feedback > control. Effects can be added to the delay either post or pre loop. > There is a built-in filter as well, great for creating the faux > stereo effects that have been talked about. > > Second there are 6 "klangs" that you can record loops into. Once a > sound is recorded into one of these klangs you can adjust the loop > points and pitch. These Klangs can alternatively be used to play back > prerecorded samples as well. > > Third there is a granular synth engine that you can record your loops > into and create all kinds of time stretched or textural playback with. > > All the parameters can be controlled via MIDI controller so a foot > pedal like the Behringer FCB 1010 or the MDI mixer evolution UC33 are > great for hands on manipulation of the loops. > > There are a ton of other features in the software, random generators > to change loops points and pitch, analog synthesis and more - check > out the site, download a demo version or check out the videos I've > made showing how to use Kenaxis for more info. (http:// > www.kenaxis.com/) > > If you have any questions you are welcome to email me: > stefan@kenaxis.com. > > As an active musician and software developer (this is a one man > operation) if you start using the software and you have any requests > - I'm happy to try and improve the software and make it work better > for you. > > Stefan > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245C43BFDF; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XPOQk0dikdq0ADSs+0HUZkt58KEHeldLwlbXIC4W/Og5gVQl3A6Cq6UgrF9cqIvPb/CSPFiULz46vQM+VdJxhNBYrvrzGzEJGrGqCiB9SyQIKKVFM4RqKNgfyRdtjywMuP6vlglmsQ4h4T6JyV+oJVeQhrFW0g5Lb4MNAby3qGM= Message-ID: <64b81a780602210901p688d578fge98d278511f2e7ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:01:41 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Faux Stereo Looping In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060221103742.02865080@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060220224401.335C43BF82@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060221103742.02865080@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:01:43 +0000 (UTC) I've never heard of filters that phase shift. Sounds interesting.=20 I'll have to do a little reading up on those. On 2/21/06, a k butler wrote: > It's also worth trying a different "Allpass" filter on each channel. > That's a filter that doesn't change the frequency content, but shifts > the phase differently for different frequencies. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B6793BFE5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <11D70386-AEF7-4189-A71F-E141BE5F16DD@kenaxis.com> References: <3358CFC9-53B2-49EC-BA3D-E4109A83F1F8@kenaxis.com> <353e2ed80602210217w273a308l401df16467eae327@mail.gmail.com> <11D70386-AEF7-4189-A71F-E141BE5F16DD@kenaxis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CD747B4-985F-49C3-80A5-A52B775038D2@kenaxis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: Looping Software Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:03:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:03:32 +0000 (UTC) In response to a direct email from the list that might be of concern to others. Kenaxis tricks When you set the record time in a Klang - this is only the maximum amount of time you think you want to start recording with. If you hit the record button again before the time is finished then you have grabbed your loop. So if you set max reocrd time for 30 seconds but after 6.24 seconds you've got what you want - no problem. You can start and stop recording by sending note on/off to Kenaixs. Its all configurable in the MIDI setup window. Also note that the maximum record time is all determined by the memory in your machine. If you have 512MB of RAM you can easily record 30 minutes of material. If you have 1Gig of RAM - over an hour is possible. Using a tap to setup the delay is coming soon as well. This is an obviously needed feature. I'll get that done before the end of the week. And just in case you were curious - updates for now are free. Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:05:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41C873BFE8; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c63708$aed77660$0400a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:02:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:05:15 +0000 (UTC) The Guitar F/X Cookbook by Chris Amelar Hal Leonard Publishing Corporation ISBN: 079356509X Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rafko M" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar >I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that >would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar >without having to resort to a synth guitar. > > I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any > suggestions on this subject. > > Thanks, > Rale > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8D83BFF2; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HABHS+kOICiw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060221164521.02d99650@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:09:30 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar In-Reply-To: <20060221153012.7F8FD3BFC7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060221153012.7F8FD3BFC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:10:39 +0000 (UTC) >I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects >that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. >guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar. > >I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make >any suggestions on this subject. >Thanks, >Rale First drop your plectrum 1) Rest left hand fingers across strings to completely deaden the string, around the 17-18 fret works good. Then: a) strike downwards hard and fast with right hand, brushing all 6 strings rapidly with the back of your fingernails. =snare b) thump with the flat of you right hand over the neck p/u. Very definite, but not too hard. =Kick drum (might not work on some guitars) c) rhythmic rolls with the fingers can sound a bit like tablas, it helps if you can already get a good sound out of a real drum. 2) Grab 1st string hard between left hand thumb and finger, as near to the bridge as you like (but not nearer than the bridge p/u). Then pluck hard with right hand finger. = Woodblock 3) Muffle string with left hand near the nut, pull string away from fretboard with right hand and let it slap onto the fingerboard. Some say a reasonable snare can be had from the D string. To get a good sound on these takes a bit of practice. Just keep trying and thinking about the sound you want. ...and it's nice to record them onto a loop to check how good they sound without the acoustic sound that you'll hear when doing it. Effects can help. Nice resonant flanger, or triggered filter. ...and EQ obviously Examples of 1a to be found by checking out Andre Lafosse, who uses that quite a lot for his more IDM stuff. Examples of me doing this on www.andybutler.com andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B808A3BFFB; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar In-Reply-To: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:12:22 +0000 (UTC) > I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar. I do a few tricks with stomp boxes to make "percussive" type sounds. The first and easiest(perhaps too obvious?) thing is to alter your attack by picking and muting the string at the same time. this produces a "click" type of attack instead fo a melodic note. If you throw that into a delay you'll get a kind of "cricket beatbox" type effect. Scraping the strings, playing higher or lower on the neck/bridge with a pick can also generate other interesting percussive sounds with no effects necessary. Another way to make odd percussion is to alter your attack. play a perccsuive note or chord as above but have the volknob down. After the attack sweep it up so that it swells. This is the famous belew "seagulls" type sound but with a little practice you can make it sound like a sinewave or other analog drum machine type sound. Again catch it into a loop or delay and you're on your way to building a drum track. Of course I can't leave well enough alone. Using the above examples you can drastically alter the tone with a few stomp boxes. Different distortions will yield fuller or more raw sounds. I have gotten a lot of rhythmical almost metallic type percussion using an Ibanez FL9 flange pedal with adustable speed and width set to kill and regenration almost al the way down. You can "tune" the boings with the delay time. this is an usual type metallic percussion and more orgain than a ring modulator but of course that will do the trick to make your guitar more percussive as well. I use a WD "dan armstrong" Green Ringer or DOD Gonkulator but there are a number of cheap things out there or you coudl go the boutique route (I personjally thing the Frostwave Blue Ringer is the best sounding one but the Moogerfooger is also cool). If you prefer to keep things simple and on the cheap there are a plethora of muliteffects boxes out there that will give you plenty or access to "percussive" types sounds. Look for a box that offers adustable delays,flanges,distortions and you'll be fine. Hell most boxes these days offer ring mod or some type of autowah/synth sound as well that you could mix into the dry signal to make it freak a bit more when doing the pluck/mute things. One example of a secret weapon I use for weird guitar percussion: ART SGX2000 - old 80s multieffects rack unit with ring mod, pitch shifting as well as more vanilla delays, etc. There is no one "way" to make percussive sounds but if you start with the attack and then mess with the tone you'll definetely gets something you'll like IMO. most of all experiment and have fun trying. that's how most of this stuff got discovered in the first place :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 17:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A1153BFD4; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <21118836.1140543045968.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:30:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:30:48 +0000 (UTC)
Good one, Doug. Also, try crossing two adjacent strings over each other and then plucking both. I've used this trick for years. As a poor man's ring modulator, it makes GREAT GONG SOUNDS, as well as cool a cool "chang" sound that can mimic a half-open hi-hat.
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
 



-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Baldwin
Sent: Feb 21, 2006 11:26 AM
To: Rafko M , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar

Prepared guitar. Like John Cage's prepared piano. Weave paper clips, toothpicks, guitar picks, erasers, whatever between the strings anywhere from near the bridge to near the end of the neck. Instant drums, gongs, shakers, etc. And the price is right.
dB,
----- Original Message -----
From: Rafko M
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar

I am interested to find out about technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar without having to resort to a synth guitar.
 
I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject.
 
Thanks,
Rale

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1D03BFD5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:08:42 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: royalty-free samples/production contest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43FB572A.10907@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Hello, everybody. Just joined this list. A new round of the sound design/production class I'm teaching (called Making Music With Computers by the college, thus MMWC for short) starts tonight here in Halifax NS Canada; focus programs are Ableton Live and Native Instruments Reaktor; for the first two assignments in the class, students have to mangle a limited pool of samples using certain procedures; so that students use the same audio starting point, I give them a bunch of samples I've made for them to tweak. I'm also making these audio files (loops, hits, some field recordings, etc) available to anyone here who wants to use 'em (links below). They're royalty-free; here's the download info: http://andrew-duke.com/MMWCassignment1audio.zip http://andrew-duke.com/MMWCassignment2audio.zip Course info: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html All I ask is that if you use of my samples in anything that you post a link so we can check out the results. A production contest of sorts has been set up by one of the members on the mnml.nl forum using the above samples I made; here's the thread if you'd like any loopers would like to read more and/or join in: http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6802 Happy music-makin'/sound-designin'. Andrew np Tuxedomoon--An Affair At The Soiree -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:11:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FE893BFDF; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43FB6572.8000902@cabq.gov> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:09:38 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: M-Audio exp. pedal and tiny cable References: <20060221173048.847A63BFE1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060221173048.847A63BFE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Loopers, I was faced with a similar dilemma when I bought a small Roland Exp. pedal... a stereo jack, drill, and a little soldering made a removable cord possible. It is a trivial modification and well worth it, methinks. -jas Albuquerque Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Hi Gang: > >I recently purchased 3 of those M-Audio expression pedals, only $25 at Musician's Fiend. They seem reasonably well made, snd they are lightweight, but I was under the impression that they let you use your own TRS cables. > >My mistake! They come hard-wired with these SHORT teeny little 7-foot cables. Looks like I'll have to return all those TRS cables I ordered ;-) > >Those of you who use them must stand REALLY close to your racks (LOL). Guess I will, too. > >Bemused, >Tim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 18:20:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113D83BFE6; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13394882.1140546010988.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:20:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: M-Audio exp. pedal and tiny cable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to Jason and Travis for two very different but equally workable solutions. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Jason Fink >Sent: Feb 21, 2006 2:09 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: M-Audio exp. pedal and tiny cable > >Greetings Loopers, > > I was faced with a similar dilemma when I bought a small Roland Exp. >pedal... a stereo jack, drill, and > a little soldering made a removable cord possible. > > It is a trivial modification and well worth it, methinks. > > >-jas >Albuquerque > > > > > >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > >> >> Hi Gang: >> >>I recently purchased 3 of those M-Audio expression pedals, only $25 at Musician's Fiend. They seem reasonably well made, snd they are lightweight, but I was under the impression that they let you use your own TRS cables. >> >>My mistake! They come hard-wired with these SHORT teeny little 7-foot cables. Looks like I'll have to return all those TRS cables I ordered ;-) >> >>Those of you who use them must stand REALLY close to your racks (LOL). Guess I will, too. >> >>Bemused, >>Tim >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5D9C3BFDD; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bNVJ3eUJ1ikAt76zNdkbgU8tMXU4q1jqv0P+NDdRzaAlIH4ahYcaWqsfyPpgG0Mz5XrQIfrX+B2uelRXA+w12HkkIrQzVrkjm2hT4mA3HLr/RKDcCOaD3LJ337Wy3KyVVOSOxyoeE75f7+93R1XHo3TQdaciwRk5WMz/5qjDxQY= ; Message-ID: <20060221191952.55969.qmail@web37815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060221143930.43587.qmail@web52008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-878148271-1140549592=:55229" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3qBH7C.A.jpD.Zf2-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:19:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-878148271-1140549592=:55229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Beat up your guitar! ;-) Everything is possible. Personally i began to think that way after listening to Michael Hedges. Do that. Very best, Rafko M wrote: I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject. Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-878148271-1140549592=:55229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Beat up your guitar! ;-)
 
Everything is possible. Personally i began to think that way after listening to Michael Hedges. Do that.
 
Very best,

Rafko M <rafko_m@yahoo.com> wrote:
I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject.


Ariel Rzezak
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/

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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-878148271-1140549592=:55229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:24:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 478793BFE5; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43FB68DC.8030209@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:24:12 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multiple SIDosis References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215202325.01e562a8@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060215202325.01e562a8@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3_3GQC.A.-zD.Vj2-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: > It's impossible not to like it. Well said, and certainly its a real looping classics... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74713BFF2; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Feb 2006 19:27:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_----------=_1140550077138180" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:27:57 -0500 Subject: Way OT (but way fun music video): The Marimba Ponies X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060221192757.024DDCA0A4@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:28:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1140550077138180 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, OK, I know it's not looping, but c'mon...how great is that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "b. Mossman" To: Recipient , List , Suppressed, : Subject: The Marimba Ponies Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:59 +0100 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 --_----------=_1140550077138180 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Delivered-To: joerut:lycos.com@mail.lycos.com Received: (qmail 27092 invoked by uid 0); 21 Feb 2006 13:12:22 -0000 X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.40) by mta7-2.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Feb 2006 13:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29072 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Feb 2006 13:12:21 -0000 X-OB-Delivered-To: joerut:lycos.com@mail.lycos.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (192.168.8.77) by as7-1l.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Feb 2006 13:12:21 -0000 X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.55) by as7-3e.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Feb 2006 13:12:21 -0000 Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by spf7-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3013717F for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.25.25.2] (0x50a11c9f.abnxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.161.28.159]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD3E2628DF; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:12:02 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brad@bmossman.com@pop.bmossman.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:59 +0100 To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; From: "b. Mossman" Subject: The Marimba Ponies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2006/02/marimba_ponies.mpg --_----------=_1140550077138180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 19:59:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997013BFE4; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c63721$5257ebe0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060221191952.55969.qmail@web37815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:59:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 481, in=237733, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Here is something I use on accasion: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/251378.html Listen in at 4:10. Being a Randy Rhodes fan when I was a young teenager, I couldn't help adapting on the method of strumming the strings of my guitar above the nut...it produces a nice chime like sound, even more interesting when you add some effects to it, loop it, etc. Kris Rafko M wrote: I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any suggestions on this subject. Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 21:01:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC283BFD6; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tB/twRW9Rj8wjUEWGDnQAfvDGQ8TWmkLMrtDyftujmlqyKWclJUp+mRJBgvJQCn4+tZ0nlfzCP5kko8ANIMcCq0WkkLoXULSF1CYtb8gjz4XYXB8kQuLicoPCwGQSaCjEn2LcH19chBC6tIvgz9SPqpPy/tJenJuYW/QAM7rqYA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:01:06 -0500 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar In-Reply-To: <002401c63721$5257ebe0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060221191952.55969.qmail@web37815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002401c63721$5257ebe0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:01:09 +0000 (UTC) I use an octave pedal to get a good solid kick drum sound....just kinda slap with the right hand while keeping the strings muted with the left with a good octave pedal (pref one with that can go 1 and 2 octave down) this produces a great kick drum sound. Also striking the guitar in a similar manner with a ring mod can get some cool percussive sounds. http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=3Df&f=3D%2FCatalog%2F24%5FSynthesis%2= F14%5FFrequency%5FAnalyzer%2F04%5FJohn%5FFrusciante Check out the third sample down for examples of this. Also if you got a EDP sus features can get cool IDM sort of percussion simply just by recording muted strings and scraping techniques in VERY short segments. You could also do this on a EDP without exteneding the loop (as SUS does this) by setting you OverdubMode to SUS. Hope this helps. Great Thread! On 2/21/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Here is something I use on accasion: > > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/251378.html > > Listen in at 4:10. Being a Randy Rhodes fan when I was a young teenager, = I > couldn't help adapting on the method of strumming the strings of my guita= r > above the nut...it produces a nice chime like sound, even more interestin= g > when you add some effects to it, loop it, etc. > > > Kris > > > Rafko M wrote: > I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a resource or make any > suggestions on this subject. > > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ > > > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 21:08:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 740A93BFE8; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L2vZDXfINoBML+wW/wO0Ro52HGJCnK6/9s0j7Z4wOSeYKAwsCa0iKTi+CkvPkk0rn/OOWp/Ju9WS0yyeeDhN6FfwwhiZQhZ0/o1KOQRTU+srMIEFO9aJPMhYQOO9CEIuYOWSgb8FXj+bYbO5SkYxr1MdeG18csxOTj9KAGMKA34= ; Message-ID: <20060221210710.60755.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:10 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005001c63706$fcb21ae0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6AD-sD.A.TjH.AF4-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:08:16 +0000 (UTC) here is a guy that sort of does that: http://www.lonesomeloser.de/ although i wouldnt recomend his workshops cheers luis --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Prepared guitar. Like John Cage's prepared piano. > Weave paper clips, toothpicks, guitar picks, > erasers, whatever between the strings anywhere from > near the bridge to near the end of the neck. Instant > drums, gongs, shakers, etc. And the price is right. > dB, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rafko M > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:39 AM > Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar > > > I am interested to find out about > technique/looping tools/effects that would allow one > to produce percussive/drum-like sounds on el. guitar > without having to resort to a synth guitar. > > I would appreciate if someone could direct me to a > resource or make any suggestions on this subject. > > Thanks, > Rale > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 21:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 482013BFEF; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qVarIoe1Bk4NFd+2tg5NFa8spIvRDz/Fzj2P2VpASIp5zvZWRTYzJUVcafNgLv4AoU4tw74PANBmB5AQK54N08R2f6McWz79K2Q4VE3pq6Z2pEsBgklXVhM1SnOgP3gNsp8/0CEMN9/ozwHOXZ0XdoOhpDxo8v15HgBZs9iC++Y= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602211322r62fb04c2icdd84c2936355190@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:22:14 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar In-Reply-To: <20060221210710.60755.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005001c63706$fcb21ae0$9715be18@oemcomputer> <20060221210710.60755.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:22:24 +0000 (UTC) On 2/21/06, Luis Angulo wrote: > here is a guy that sort of does that: > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/ > although i wouldnt recomend his workshops It all seems to have gone pear-shaped on this one: http://www.lonesomeloser.de/images/hires/mch_pic_007.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 21:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 919BD3BFF2; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L0Oju6Yi5QA3pa8NMUd75bzGRQHElTsqQpb4yMrr36W/9vpZKo8DPlCWdUImh7tXuaF3q1BukFlx5eYmDPs+Cxy2S7SGCkwxoaQX/gRuY30wga4HBXglQB4OKaHIhAIKZzmxIQngAq1XTLOZ1BhNzk292qc2EjaSt4H8F32tkKQ= ; Message-ID: <20060221213225.59699.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80602211322r62fb04c2icdd84c2936355190@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:32:27 +0000 (UTC) well yeah,....shit happens i suppose... --- David Morton wrote: > On 2/21/06, Luis Angulo > wrote: > > here is a guy that sort of does that: > > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/ > > although i wouldnt recomend his workshops > > It all seems to have gone pear-shaped on this one: > > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/images/hires/mch_pic_007.jpg > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 21:54:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6244B3BFF7; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bf01c63731$6b499f30$6701a8c0@DELL> From: "Peder Jakobsen" To: Subject: Boss DD-20 + JamMan go together like...?? Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C63707.7F92E570" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:54:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C63707.7F92E570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just got a JamMan last week, and now I hava a line on a used Boss DD-20 = GigaDelay. My question is, are these complimentary tools, or = competitive products? Do they make for a kick ass set up together, or = is there too much overlap? Thanks, Peder :)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C63707.7F92E570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just got a JamMan last week, =  and now I=20 hava a line on a used Boss DD-20 GigaDelay.  My question is, = are these=20 complimentary tools, or competitive products? Do they make for a  = kick ass=20 set up together, or is there too much overlap?
 
Thanks,
 
Peder :) 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C63707.7F92E570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 23:36:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9E643BEFB; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c6373f$ba6275c0$0200a8c0@BACKOFFICE> From: "Dan Nettles" To: Subject: tap tempo irregularity in akai e2... Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:37:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C63715.D144B660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:36:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C63715.D144B660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere... this is my first = post. i'm a fan of the akai headrush pedals... i owned 2 e1's, and now use the = e2 all the time. i've gigged with it all over the world... maybe the = travel has worn it out. maybe someone out there has had the same problem... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- THE PROBLEM: in the "normal delay" mode, i tap in my delay tempo. then i press the left switch to turn the delay on. then i adjust the output volume knob... ...and the delay time instantly goes to "zero"! the delay time also goes to "zero" when i press the left switch to turn = the delay off. this has been getting frustrating because i'll set up the delay for a = song during performance, adjust the output level, and then have to set = up the delay time again! ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C63715.D144B660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry if this has already been covered = elsewhere...=20 this is my first post.
 
i'm a fan of the akai headrush = pedals... i owned 2=20 e1's, and now use the e2 all the time.  i've gigged with it all = over the=20 world... maybe the travel has worn it out.
 
maybe someone out there has had the = same=20 problem...
THE PROBLEM:
 
in the "normal delay" mode, i tap in my = delay=20 tempo.
 
then i press the left switch to = turn the=20 delay on.
 
then i adjust the output volume=20 knob...
 
...and the delay time instantly goes to = "zero"!
 
the delay time also goes to "zero" when = i press the=20 left switch to turn the delay off.
 
 
this has been getting frustrating = because i'll set=20 up the delay for a song during performance, adjust the output = level, and=20 then have to set up the delay time again!
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C63715.D144B660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 23:37:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3C593C00B; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43FBA431.9030402@goliathindustries.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:37:21 -0700 From: David Tucker User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Low cost loopers X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on gscamnlh01/SERVER/USGS/DOI(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 02/21/2006 15:37:28, Serialize by Router on gscamnlh01/SERVER/USGS/DOI(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 02/21/2006 15:37:29, Serialize complete at 02/21/2006 15:37:29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:37:30 +0000 (UTC) I am looking at upgrading my guitar FX pedal and I wanted to get looping/phrase sampling with the upgrade. Has anyone tried hooking a Zoom G2.1u or variant to a computer via USB to make it a loop sampler? is the delay to great for this to work? What about the Digitech lineup aka the Digitech GNX3 or GNX4 or RPx400 Am I asking to much to get a mulitFX pedal that has decent looping, or should I bite the bullet and spend the $300 for a real looping pedal? thanks, David Tucker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 21 23:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2D73C017; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <002a01c636de$38e13240$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <20060221071616.33508.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002a01c636de$38e13240$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: The Non-Tape-Loop Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:42:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:42:43 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 21, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > I however interpreted (and still do lacking of other definitions) that > "the first take broke down" to mean that the tape broke. i always took it as him bragging about how well he could play an arpeggio all night long. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 00:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 364793C007; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c63749$414180f0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <43FBA431.9030402@goliathindustries.com> Subject: Re: Low cost loopers Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:45:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_BuyOB.A.JUH.kQ7-DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:45:25 +0000 (UTC) << What about the Digitech lineup aka the Digitech GNX3 or GNX4? >> I have a GNX4. It's an awesome device for all of its features. But, I think its "Jamman" function is weak. I have a hard time getting a decent loop out of it. It takes a lot of work and is frustrating to the point where it affects my mental state re: jamming. The recorder functions (both via PC or the onboard recorder) are great though. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tucker" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Low cost loopers >I am looking at upgrading my guitar FX pedal and I wanted to get >looping/phrase sampling with the upgrade. Has anyone tried hooking a Zoom >G2.1u or variant to a computer via USB to make it a loop sampler? is the >delay to great for this to work? > > What about the Digitech lineup aka the Digitech GNX3 or GNX4 or RPx400 > > Am I asking to much to get a mulitFX pedal that has decent looping, or > should I bite the bullet and spend the $300 for a real looping pedal? > > thanks, > David Tucker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 01:41:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05DC73C004; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cVo2z/4azFg+MGE15VO1LWJbU3QI4zKw3/KbT4aLFAOegYQXGjSN/ZUjhZaJApb/1jenyKFc4vpCj3tI7KWv63Y2fI8KJyiRC7cFRF5EN7mGAfjJArACVnNUryfecFACN7XFVEt+BjXkjHxRq5ZYjfBwgrejM94F7QwlxoGFmf8= ; Message-ID: <20060222014124.1452.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: ElectroHarmonix 2880 vs. Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E65@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:41:26 +0000 (UTC) oh sorry what i meant is record really short loops! cheers Luis --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>another drawback that i have encountered (and > correct > me if i am wrong) is that u cannot trigger really > stuttering short loops like u can with the EDP...<< > > on the repeater, you just bang the start button (or > equivalent) over & > over...... as fast as you like..... > > duncan. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 05:41:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0CB3BFFF; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5VLvHH9u09A3HvSziSvMVLBARSgHjh95GdVJ+CRUBLE7Cumgz67kDsKAV4sxN9xWknCYXyqS6Wo87gIUJWxhCou0n0QNO2XTpZ+ObfPg2QfLUiEdqhGBXTBW66W73RMz2RsphQ+PBVAu3cEi37neHdsFbMv3EPrZA7hUL+LcXnM= ; Message-ID: <20060222054145.37072.qmail@web52012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060221213225.59699.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-738100358-1140586905=:37070" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:41:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-738100358-1140586905=:37070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wanted to reply earlier and thank everyone individually for their reponses but I did not want to interrupt the steady flow of replies. This forum is definitely the highlight of the month for me. Once again, thanks to all of you who replied. Rale Luis Angulo wrote: well yeah,....shit happens i suppose... --- David Morton wrote: > On 2/21/06, Luis Angulo > wrote: > > here is a guy that sort of does that: > > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/ > > although i wouldnt recomend his workshops > > It all seems to have gone pear-shaped on this one: > > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/images/hires/mch_pic_007.jpg > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-738100358-1140586905=:37070 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I wanted to reply earlier and thank everyone individually for their reponses but I did not want to interrupt the steady flow of replies. This forum is definitely the highlight of the month for me.
 
Once again, thanks to all of you who replied.
Rale 
 
Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
well yeah,....shit happens i suppose...

--- David Morton wrote:

> On 2/21/06, Luis Angulo
> wrote:
> > here is a guy that sort of does that:
> > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/
> > although i wouldnt recomend his workshops
>
> It all seems to have gone pear-shaped on this one:
>
>
http://www.lonesomeloser.de/images/hires/mch_pic_007.jpg
>
>


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Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --0-738100358-1140586905=:37070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 07:01:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D69A3C00B; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43FB0850.1000008@soundscapes.us> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:00:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 07:00:56.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAA234B0:01C6377D] Resent-Message-ID: <74r8-C.A.sdD.swA_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:01:01 +0000 (UTC)

Hey Bill,

Blasphemy makes the world go round!

Oh yeah, I didn't mean that Fripp WAS way ahead of most of us in the sense that he started doing it first or something.  Rather I meant that he, in my humble opinion, IS way ahead of most of us in terms of using the looping medium to express his musical vision.

Fripp was in a band before doing Soundscapes? 

Just a quick tale: I dragged the wife along to the last Soundscapes tour on the left coast and thought I'd "teach" her about active listening.  Had her close her eyes, be in the moment, etc, etc.  After the show she described to me the vivid visual hallucinations she had while "actively listening".  Quick learner that one. 

Rob Cathcart

From:  Bill Fox billyfox@soundscapes.us

>>
>Not really.  When most of us only knew Fripp as a member of King
>Crimson and before becoming aware of his "looping" music (which by
>my previous thought process is just echo music), many of us in the
>world of (academic) electronic music and avant-garde music (very
>small communities) were already doing that sort of thing.  Fripp and
>Eno were merely the first pop/rock/whatever musicians to release
>this stuff on records to a much larger audience.  (Yes, I know that
>I'm a blasphemer!)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Bill
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 07:05:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29C0E3C013; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: RC-50 Fade Out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463809535-995317558-1140592337=:18369" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:05:58 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1463809535-995317558-1140592337=:18369 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, rob cathcart wrote: > Just a quick tale: I dragged the wife along to the last Soundscapes tour > on the left coast and thought I'd "teach" her about active listening.  > Had her close her eyes, be in the moment, etc, etc.  After the show she > described to me the vivid visual hallucinations she had while "actively > listening".  Quick learner that one.  > > Rob Cathcart I'll freely admit I dropped into a light trance while seeing Fripp perform solo soundscapes this evening (he played tonight in my area, wonderful show). best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html ---1463809535-995317558-1140592337=:18369-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 08:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0FD3C00A; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mFSjZSH5dnaOz6T/cI71yfa2fziinqH1iMXOXjNE67XHvAUYg724JujoYcboizBVveRRy1jsQKeF0+2h4PgCjQwyfu8SGB3t0ii8BUNPCXWy6gueP6qIc855/9STVafncSh+0teqwrCbDxkyG3Nt8a2X+Jy1aLvOSzS+DrWY7GM= ; Message-ID: <00c101c63787$a31d31f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060222054145.37072.qmail@web52012.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:11:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C63790.04165AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:11:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C63790.04165AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's also unplugging the jack from the guitar while the amp is on and = doing a short circuit between the tip+ring with you thumb. Has anyone mentioned hitting the pickups with your mediator? Ben. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rafko M=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar I wanted to reply earlier and thank everyone individually for their = reponses but I did not want to interrupt the steady flow of replies. = This forum is definitely the highlight of the month for me.=20 Once again, thanks to all of you who replied. Rale=20 Luis Angulo wrote: well yeah,....shit happens i suppose... --- David Morton wrote: > On 2/21/06, Luis Angulo=20 > wrote: > > here is a guy that sort of does that: > > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/ > > although i wouldnt recomend his workshops >=20 > It all seems to have gone pear-shaped on this one: >=20 > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/images/hires/mch_pic_007.jpg >=20 >=20 www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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There's also unplugging the jack from = the guitar=20 while the amp is on and doing a short circuit between the tip+ring = with you=20 thumb.
Has anyone mentioned hitting the = pickups with=20 your mediator?
 
Ben.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rafko = M
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, = 2006 6:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds = on El.=20 Guitar

I wanted to reply earlier and thank everyone = individually=20 for their reponses but I did not want to interrupt the = steady flow=20 of replies. This forum is definitely the highlight of = the month=20 for me.
 
Once again, thanks to all of you who replied.
Rale 
 
Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
well=20 yeah,....shit happens i suppose...

--- David Morton=20 wrote:

> On 2/21/06, Luis Angulo=20
> wrote:
> > here is a guy = that sort=20 of does that:
> > http://www.lonesomeloser.de/
> > = although i wouldnt recomend his workshops
>
> It all = seems to=20 have gone pear-shaped on this one:
>=20 =
>
http://www.lonesomeloser.de/images/hires/mch_pic_007.jpg
&= gt;=20
>=20 =


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Use=20 Photomail to share photos without annoying=20 attachments. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C63790.04165AB0-- ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 13:48:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E78293C003; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1140616076!31996436!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E71@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Non-Tape-Loop Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:47:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C637B6.92B133A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:47:59 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C637B6.92B133A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>"the first take broke down"<< I've seen the expression used in the context of multiple takes where someone made a mistake.... for instance, lewissohn's accounts of the beatles recording sessions is littered with shots of tape boxes & recording notes badly written/mis-spelled by the likes of geoff emerick, & in which the phrase occurs repeatedly to indicate that only part of a performance is in any way usable. they either kept the bits with a possible edit-job in mind, or didn't want to interrupt the flow of the session by rewinding & re-using the stock. I don't think it's anything to do with tapes breaking.... even in the strange configuration that fripp used (& with the "modifications" to his machines, which would've involved a bit of soldering around the reel-motor switch standard anyway on the A77), revoxes don't often break tapes. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C637B6.92B133A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: The Non-Tape-Loop

>>"the first take broke = down"<<

I've seen the expression used in the context of = multiple takes where someone made a mistake.... for instance, = lewissohn's accounts of the beatles recording sessions is littered with = shots of tape boxes & recording notes badly written/mis-spelled by = the likes of geoff emerick, & in which the phrase occurs repeatedly = to indicate that only part of a performance is in any way usable. they = either kept the bits with a possible edit-job in mind, or didn't want = to interrupt the flow of the session by rewinding & re-using the = stock.

I don't think it's anything to do with tapes = breaking.... even in the strange configuration that fripp used (& = with the "modifications" to his machines, which would've = involved a bit of soldering around the reel-motor switch standard = anyway on the A77), revoxes don't often break tapes.

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C637B6.92B133A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 14:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D041E3C011; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001701c637bc$5c6c5260$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8E71@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: The Non-Tape-Loop Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:29:15 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:29:28 +0000 (UTC) RE: The Non-Tape-LoopFrom: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com >>"the first take broke down"<< I've seen the expression used in the context of multiple takes where someone made a mistake.... for instance, lewissohn's accounts of the beatles recording sessions is littered with shots of tape boxes & recording notes badly written/mis-spelled by the likes of geoff emerick, & in which the phrase occurs repeatedly to indicate that only part of a performance is in any way usable. they either kept the bits with a possible edit-job in mind, or didn't want to interrupt the flow of the session by rewinding & re-using the stock. I don't think it's anything to do with tapes breaking.... even in the strange configuration that fripp used (& with the "modifications" to his machines, which would've involved a bit of soldering around the reel-motor switch standard anyway on the A77), revoxes don't often break tapes. duncan. I figured a single reel-to-reel wouldn't break tape unless it had a motor error - But having tried the twin reel-to-reel method, I can assure you that a little slack in a bad place can indeed break the tape. S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 16:39:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398B83C015; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YgoykBjiuOte0PE6VLb8WOms0SM3cXBjkpPEato5lFcOrfz01+Nfe4kB4Zuc1Hvza7wyVXUQwstha7O0yIrkBu58+jbzo+UfzRVZ1Vi5rGFcaZFVTvPpvQo/yx06n9WBKShgINDNAindqUa6V0ZYn0qJl7rVjAtRjGx1mapgsOU= ; Message-ID: <20060222163900.81279.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: loop album: revisited-fripp Let the power fall / percussive gtr / Zoom G2 as looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060222014127.A96563C010@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2031580855-1140626340=:81207" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:39:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-2031580855-1140626340=:81207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yesterday listened to Fripps "let the power fall", was in a fripp mode a few yrs ago, bought it, didn't love it as much as 'no pussyfootin' that i have in the fripp/eno compilation disc (combines a bunch of their projects)....when i first listened to it awhile back, it seemed too sparse, but in listening again yesterday, i found i liked it, most pieces do start off slow and build to a nice intensity...there seems to be a nice warmth to the sounds repeating etc....i'm not sure when this was originally released (didn't read the liner notes too close)...but i thought it said this was document of frippertonics on tour..... percussive gtr-a late post, some great ideas from others, i would recommend listening to andre's 'normalized' cd, to my ear there is lots of slapping, banging, hitting, scraping going on that he loops and makes into "drum" sounds....also adrian belews 1st solo album had the track "hot gtr" (is that the right title?) that was very percussive of him hitting gtr that had contact mics on it (i have that album on tape!), there is also the laurie anderson 'home of the brave' performance video (mycopy long lost) of adrian playing w/ her, and he's hitting strings w/ forks and drum mallets (sort of doing the cage prepared thing)...also the dvd of henry kaiser (25 solos on 25 gtrs) has him demoing his approach to the percussive sounds that he got from derek bailey style playing. lots of muting strings differently etc...and of course derek bailey himself, i have his short nyc concert in small record shop, where he does his thing, very percussive, very free in playing, but very interesting, very much expanding the language and vocabulary of guitar w/ just an acoustic guitar....also, the DT painting w/ gtr vids have him doing a little percussive stuff at the end of one of the tapes.... i find that in making percussive sounds you have to move away from the 'standard ideas of gtr playing', you know, when i started i wanted to be fast and explosive like the hotshot 80s guys, so move in 180 degrees from that thinking and start exploring, scraping, banging, muting, rubbing, like the others have mentioned...i also use my ibanez de7 delay to do fast-slow or slow-fast manipulations to enhance percussive stuff..... Zoom G2-as cheap looper-i wouldn't know about setting output into computer and use (can't figure out my cheapo computer recording software), the g2 does have 5 sec of delay at 100% feedback, and has 3 options of using: there is 3 sec in the 2nd effects module, and actual delay module (5 sec-options of digital, tape sim. or ping pong), and in the reverb section there is the tap delays (8 types) up to 3 sec. you can get some wild out of control things going....and it does have up to 5 secs of delay. the problem is that you can't manipulate the delay (i like to do the fast to slow or slow to fast manipulations), once you try to change time, it clicks and stops and will reset to new time that you set. frustrating a bit. i have used it to set up delay drone backgrounds and then dump that to my sampler and then can play over it, but w/ out that or some type of A/B box/pedal, you can't play over preplayed stuff, it becomes part of the delay...the expression pedal (i have the plain g2) option allows you to manipulate the feedback, which i found to be not too exciting, essentiall turning it on and off....but it will allow you 5 sec of delay time, just remember that its not meant as a loop device, its delay is just one of the options among an inexpensive multi-effect. but the ring mod, and the dynamic flanger are good for percussive sounds!!! s--- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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yesterday listened to Fripps "let the power fall", was in a fripp mode a few yrs ago, bought it, didn't love it as much as 'no pussyfootin' that i have in the fripp/eno compilation disc (combines a bunch of their projects)....when i first listened to it awhile back, it seemed too sparse, but in listening again yesterday, i found i liked it, most pieces do start off slow and build to a nice intensity...there seems to be a nice warmth to the sounds repeating etc....i'm not sure when this was originally released (didn't read the liner notes too close)...but i thought it said this was document of frippertonics on tour.....
 
percussive gtr-a late post, some great ideas from others, i would recommend listening to andre's 'normalized' cd, to my ear there is lots of slapping, banging, hitting, scraping going on that he loops and makes into "drum" sounds....also adrian belews 1st solo album had the track "hot gtr" (is that the right title?) that was very percussive of him hitting gtr that had contact mics on it (i have that album on tape!), there is also the laurie anderson 'home of the brave' performance video (mycopy long lost) of adrian playing w/ her, and he's hitting strings w/ forks and drum mallets (sort of doing the cage prepared thing)...also the dvd of henry kaiser (25 solos on 25 gtrs) has him demoing his approach to the percussive sounds that he got from derek bailey style playing. lots of muting strings differently etc...and of course derek bailey himself, i have his short nyc concert in small record shop, where he does his thing, very percussive, very free in playing, but very interesting, very much expanding the language and vocabulary of guitar w/ just an acoustic guitar....also, the DT painting w/ gtr vids have him doing a little percussive stuff at the end of one of the tapes....
i find that in making percussive sounds you have to move away from the 'standard ideas of gtr playing', you know, when i started i wanted to be fast and explosive like the hotshot 80s guys, so move in 180 degrees from that thinking and start exploring, scraping, banging, muting, rubbing, like the others have mentioned...i also use my ibanez de7 delay to do fast-slow or slow-fast manipulations to enhance percussive stuff.....
 
Zoom G2-as cheap looper-i wouldn't know about setting output into computer and use (can't figure out my cheapo computer recording software), the g2 does have 5 sec of delay at 100% feedback, and has 3 options of using: there is 3 sec in the 2nd effects module, and actual delay module (5 sec-options of digital, tape sim. or ping pong), and in the reverb section there is the tap delays (8 types) up to 3 sec. you can get some wild out of control things going....and it does have up to 5 secs of delay. the problem is that  you can't manipulate the delay (i like to do the fast to slow or slow to fast manipulations), once you try to change time, it clicks and stops and will reset to new time that you set. frustrating a bit. i have used it to set up delay drone backgrounds and then dump that to my sampler and then can play over it, but w/ out that or some type of A/B box/pedal, you can't play over preplayed stuff, it becomes part of the delay...the expression pedal  (i have the plain g2) option allows you to manipulate the feedback, which i found to be not too exciting, essentiall turning it on and off....but it will allow you 5 sec of delay time, just remember that its not meant as a loop device, its delay is just one of the options among an inexpensive multi-effect.
but the ring mod, and the dynamic flanger are good for percussive sounds!!!
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Guitar Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:39:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2006 17:39:05.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0C03620:01C637D6] Resent-Message-ID: <676m4.A.QI.9GK_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about the late post to this….I have been a bit busy of late scraping, patting, thunking and muting on my own! Alright, the “faux drum” thang is something I do quite a bit, yet not on an elec. Gtr but rather on an acoustic bass guitar. Some years back, when I first started doing solo bass/looping shows, I was using A LOT of processing and as many as three drum machines to supply drum/percussion parts. I found that as much as 70% of my audience would grow bored (or at least apathetic) of my show once the machines started. Looping solo bass, on the other hand, who keep their attention. I tend to think of this as a reaction to “canned tracks” and sequences being the opposite of a “live” performance. I even tried “playing” a drum machine at times (tapping in the patterns I would use in real time to give the resemblance of a real performance). And, while the reaction to this was perhaps a little warmer, there was always to “boredom factor” of having to watch someone tapping little buttons and then hearing “big” drum sounds. So, I went to playing drum parts on my bass (this was at Rick Walker’s initial suggestion…and it was a remarkable bit of advice!) I use all of the afore mentioned techniques (string mutes, playing behind the nut, strumming behind a natural harmonic, use of pinch harmonics, multi-finger pats and mutes—think paradiddles—nail scrapes, finger rubs, palm rubs and pats—which when applied at differing positions can produce an array of differing timbres—and of course the use of foreign objects to “prepare” the bass (see John Cage and prepared piano for reference…) I will at times use the Derek Bailey/Fred Frith trick of “drumming “ the strings with either metal, plastic or wood objects (each for a different “flavor”—plastic swizzle sticks and bamboo chopsticks are my favorite)….and even use my wedding ring to tap out patterns against the strings. And, I have been somewhat renown for the use of alligator clips which give me a fantastic ersatz-gamelan effect. I also tap, hit and smack the back of the neck, the headstock, the bridge and various parts of the body (a’la Hedges, Badi Assad and Preston Reed). Sometimes I use a metal slide as well… I don’t currently use any electronic effects for this—I have in the past, but now do all my sonic manipulation “manually”. But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is trying to create the “sounds” of drums, be that of kick snare, hi-hat etc. , then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The sounds coming off the gtr really do not sound like the real thing. What actually is emulated in these techniques is the envelope of certain drum sounds and their rhythmic placement in the music. Often times is is easier for us to “hear” drum parts when using “drum sounds”. I have found that any sound when employs a necessary percussive envelope ( ask what is the attack, decay and pitch of the sound I “hear”) will fit. I often use references to drum sounds (“gamelan” “gong”” bongo” or “snare”) to catalog the sounds and techniques I use on my bass, but I really do not try to emulate the actual drum sound (“bongo-ish” might be a better description…), and often I find myself using those sounds out of context of which would be used in a traditional drum kit i.e. often I use a “snare-ish” sound on what might usually be filled with a kick drum… The thing here is not to try to emulate/imitate drum or drum machine sounds but rather develop a vocabulary of interesting tones and timbres which employ various types of “percussive” envelopes and then develop a rhythmic sense and acuity to employ those in a unique and creative way ---vis a vis the use of loops. I have found this direction to be both more rewarding and more musical. Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 19:03:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563713C014; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=i/2eo5I5uWTrGXGRRkStQJqhQxlzfawy9oAiyvVSYVe1kiHA+OKCdK7jgWf10GO8p8BiTP82S7ChEdbBITUeUYOXE/J9O0q3pfh5FJJF1Lv4UbIpgckg7ehmj1IIu9+Dmm/x/ee1mmMfxGCR0fbdhZKuONnYzoQf7DJTSYcATAY= ; Message-ID: <20060222190337.75089.qmail@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:03:37 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c63118$8bf0d470$6700a8c0@greyskull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-584833816-1140635017=:74221" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-584833816-1140635017=:74221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes please unsubscribe me, thank you. "Lucien Darthard, Esq" wrote: Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Essential Listening revisited: > Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required to > also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it is > essential to looping. Explain the historical context if fits into, how it > was influential, what techniques it innovated, etc. > kim > > At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote: >>let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: >> >>Holland Skin Tunnel >> >>and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone >>mentioned: >> >>Muslimgauze >> >>:Zoviet France: > >>that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i >>think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's >>drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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> Once again: if you are going to propose something, you are required to
> also include at least 2 paragraphs of a review explaining why it is
> essential to looping. Explain the historical context if fits into, how it
> was influential, what techniques it innovated, etc.
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> At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote:
>>let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD:
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>>Muslimgauze
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>>:Zoviet France:
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>>that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i
>>think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's
>>drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping.
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Guitar Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Inspired by max's post, I just tried lightly tapping a bass pickup pole magnet with a medium sized bolt. You can feel the magnet pulling on it, and ya get a great percussive sound with lots of attack. With delay time set to 250 ms and 100% feedback, it is definately percussive and interesting. p.j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "max valentino" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar > > Sorry about the late post to this..I have been a bit busy of late > scraping, patting, thunking and muting on my own! > > Alright, the "faux drum" thang is something I do quite a bit, yet not on > an elec. Gtr but rather on an acoustic bass guitar. Some years back, when > I first started doing solo bass/looping shows, I was using A LOT of > processing and as many as three drum machines to supply drum/percussion > parts. I found that as much as 70% of my audience would grow bored (or at > least apathetic) of my show once the machines started. Looping solo bass, > on the other hand, who keep their attention. I tend to think of this as a > reaction to "canned tracks" and sequences being the opposite of a "live" > performance. I even tried "playing" a drum machine at times (tapping in > the patterns I would use in real time to give the resemblance of a real > performance). And, while the reaction to this was perhaps a little > warmer, there was always to "boredom factor" of having to watch someone > tapping little buttons and then hearing "big" drum sounds. > > So, I went to playing drum parts on my bass (this was at Rick Walker's > initial suggestion.and it was a remarkable bit of advice!) I use all of > the afore mentioned techniques (string mutes, playing behind the nut, > strumming behind a natural harmonic, use of pinch harmonics, multi-finger > pats and mutes-think paradiddles-nail scrapes, finger rubs, palm rubs and > pats-which when applied at differing positions can produce an array of > differing timbres-and of course the use of foreign objects to "prepare" > the bass (see John Cage and prepared piano for reference.) > I will at times use the Derek Bailey/Fred Frith trick of "drumming " the > strings with either metal, plastic or wood objects (each for a different > "flavor"-plastic swizzle sticks and bamboo chopsticks are my > favorite)..and even use my wedding ring to tap out patterns against the > strings. And, I have been somewhat renown for the use of alligator clips > which give me a fantastic ersatz-gamelan effect. I also tap, hit and smack > the back of the neck, the headstock, the bridge and various parts of the > body (a'la Hedges, Badi Assad and Preston Reed). Sometimes I use a metal > slide as well. > > I don't currently use any electronic effects for this-I have in the past, > but now do all my sonic manipulation "manually". > > But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is trying to > create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, hi-hat etc. , then > you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The sounds coming off the > gtr really do not sound like the real thing. What actually is emulated in > these techniques is the envelope of certain drum sounds and their rhythmic > placement in the music. Often times is is easier for us to "hear" drum > parts when using "drum sounds". I have found that any sound when employs > a necessary percussive envelope ( ask what is the attack, decay and pitch > of the sound I "hear") will fit. I often use references to drum sounds > ("gamelan" "gong"" bongo" or "snare") to catalog the sounds and techniques > I use on my bass, but I really do not try to emulate the actual drum sound > ("bongo-ish" might be a better description.), and often I find myself > using those sounds out of context of which would be used in a traditional > drum kit i.e. often I use a "snare-ish" sound on what might usually be > filled with a kick drum. > > The thing here is not to try to emulate/imitate drum or drum machine > sounds but rather develop a vocabulary of interesting tones and timbres > which employ various types of "percussive" envelopes and then develop a > rhythmic sense and acuity to employ those in a unique and creative > way ---vis a vis the use of loops. > > I have found this direction to be both more rewarding and more musical. > > Max > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 19:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CCD53C026; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:43:18 -0400 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Thomas Brinkmann re: Hawtin/Plastikman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43FCBED6.1000900@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OaEnzmissNa9/qzKRm0FgQ)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <20060222190337.75089.qmail@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:43:20 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_OaEnzmissNa9/qzKRm0FgQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote: > >>let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD: > >> > >>Holland Skin Tunnel > >> > >>and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume > someone > >>mentioned: > >> > >>Muslimgauze > >> > >>:Zoviet France: > > > >>that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental > (german i > >>think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of > Plastikman's > >>drone-y beats albums. primitive but > all-the-more-effective-for-it looping > Thomas Brinkmann. I interviewed him at the time. Will post the interview on my website and let ya'll know when it is up. Andrew > -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_OaEnzmissNa9/qzKRm0FgQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
At 06:19 PM 2/13/2006, jb wrote:
>>let's not forget the seminal selt-titled CD:
>>
>>Holland Skin Tunnel
>>
>>and while we're getting off the beaten track, i can only assume someone
>>mentioned:
>>
>>Muslimgauze
>>
>>:Zoviet France:
>
>>that Ritchie Hawtin/Plastikman album where some experimental (german i
>>think) guy built a double-armed turntable to re-make one of Plastikman's
>>drone-y beats albums. primitive but all-the-more-effective-for-it looping
Thomas Brinkmann. I interviewed him at the time.  Will post the interview on my
website and let ya'll know when it is up. Andrew


-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/source
http://andrew-duke.com
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]
http://cognitionaudioworks.com

--Boundary_(ID_OaEnzmissNa9/qzKRm0FgQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 19:57:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596533C027; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: Adrian West Gig in Oakland, CA Sunday Feb. 25 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039B_01C637A7.003AD6C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7964b1417601ba269fd5dc23263ef8621b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:57:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039B_01C637A7.003AD6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear fellow loopists, This Sunday in Oakland I'll be performing two hours of loop-inspired songs on 6-string electric violin, voice, beatboxing, acoustic guitar and mandolin at the Nomad Cafe in Oakland. I am playing from 11 am to 1 pm, which is during the cafe's brunch service, serving food that is at once delicious, organic and fair-trade certified. Details are below. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com Sunday, Feb. 26th, 11 am to 1 pm Nomad Cafe - www.nomadcafe.net 6500 Shattuck @ 65th (near Alcatraz) Oakland, CA Free show - tips & CD purchases appreciated One menu item per person required Children welcome Also, if you're feeling adventurous, I'll be playing at the Mardi Gras Festival in Crockett on Sat. Feb. 25th around 1:00. For more info, click here. ------=_NextPart_000_039B_01C637A7.003AD6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear=20 fellow loopists,
 
    This=20 Sunday in Oakland I'll be performing two hours of loop-inspired=20 songs on 6-string electric violin, voice, beatboxing, acoustic = guitar and=20 mandolin at the Nomad Cafe in Oakland. I am playing from 11 am to 1 pm, = which is=20 during the cafe's brunch service, serving food that is at=20 once delicious, organic and fair-trade certified. Details are = below.=20
 
Adrian=20 West
www.adrianwest.com
 
 
Sunday, Feb. = 26th, 11 am to=20 1 pm
Nomad = Cafe=20 - www.nomadcafe.net
6500 Shattuck @ = 65th =20 (near Alcatraz)
Oakland,=20 CA
Free show - = tips & CD=20 purchases appreciated
One menu item = per person=20 required
Children=20 welcome
 
Also, if you're = feeling=20 adventurous, I'll be playing at the Mardi Gras Festival in Crockett on Sat. = Feb. 25th=20 around 1:00. For more info, click here.
------=_NextPart_000_039B_01C637A7.003AD6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 20:45:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BF853BFF5; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gDFaaZrLcBKTIVoPpu3PWdYSeFlTGejvLR7gdG5BiewaQj2dPytES55+iFtjgYBRIT63lGp1Gg47qbEk4NEIsNcprtw1kOIGisOlfqlsaW2E85ntapVuBiTplelh36eVFYaarU9D2FLGGHJdu6JehohFgDs9RLSQxAVlVVNkjGE= ; Message-ID: <20060222204502.46416.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: The many sides of Robert Fripp Was: Re: RC-50 Fade Out To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060222173910.667463C021@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6UWLRD.A.dhC.S1M_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Rob Cathcart wrote: Fripp was in a band before doing Soundscapes? Well yeah, he started out by sitting in with jazz musicians, then he was with the Giles brothers back in 1968, then he was in this other group for a while, then he started doing Soundscapes. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 20:57:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A843C026; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060222204502.46416.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060222204502.46416.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <52FD1471-5A3C-4A56-BF11-4CD7B6D3EF8A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The many sides of Robert Fripp Was: Re: RC-50 Fade Out Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:57:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:57:54 +0000 (UTC) On 22 feb 2006, at 21.45, S V G wrote: > Well yeah, he started out by sitting in with jazz musicians, > then he was with the Giles > brothers back in 1968, then he was in this other group for a while, > then he started doing > Soundscapes. Interesting! I didn't hear about RF until in 1975. I was talking to a guitar player collegue in a symphonic art rock band that had the coolest sound I had heard, so far. He told me he was using a Big Muff for his SG "because Fripp does". Next day I bought the "Red" album, then "Lizard". Crimson was good when they stayed away from fusion jazz rock, I thought (and still do). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 21:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783863C020; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Looping in GP Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:33:38 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Just a heads up: In this month's GP, Barry Cleveland has a nice piece on looping and loopers. He mentions a handful of people from this list, and has a good overview of available looping equipment. He also includes some essential listening as well as a section on "loopers you should know about" (or something like that...). Anyway, I thought it was worth a mention. This is the April 06 issue, btw. I just got it in today's mail. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Feb 22 22:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE82D3C017; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cc01c63803$60f05ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: The Non-Tape-Loop Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:57:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <1EGZmC.A.vfH.hxO_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:57:37 +0000 (UTC) This expression has nothing whatsoever to do with the tape literally breaking down. It refers to when a band in a recording session would make such a bad musical mistake that the whole recording had to be stopped and recorded over again. Before the advent of digital recording, a band had to play a song from the start to the finish as perfectly as possible in order to get a good recording. This could be very demoralizing in a band setting because you might have every single person playing flawlessly in a take and if the drummer made a bad mistake in the finally chorus, the whole song had to stop and be recorded from scratch again. Of course, in those days some things were fixable with punch ins and we really got good at being able to reproduce exact performances to be able to fix things, but if the whole band made a booboo, you just had to stop and start over again. Even when playing to a click track it was incredibly problematic to try and physically splice one well recorded portion of a song onto another. It was done occasionally but it was extremely rare in most recording studios, especially more inexpensive local recording studios. In hundreds and hundreds of recording sessions I never experienced the tape physically breaking to stop a take. I"m sure it may have happened but I am certain this is not what these phrases refer to. DIGITAL RECORDING That all changed in the 80's with the advent of digital recording and digital crossfading. Since the advent of digital recording and the proliferation of relatively inexpensive ADAT digital 8 track recording machines in the 80's, many full band recording sessions could be continued if a band, as an example, played a great verse but then screwed up the performance of the next chorus of a song. I'll never forget the very first ADAT recording session I was at. I was blown away because as soon as we screwed up the first chorus, the engineer said, "Everybody play along with the tape and I'll punch in the entire band on the down beat of the chorus." We did, he punched it in and on playback we were astonished to not be able to hear the punch. The ADAT allowed for digital crossfading between the two sections of the song. This was amazing!!!!! It so radically sped up the process of getting so called basic tracks recorded in a studio that it wasn't funny. In a way, it also meant that bands did not have to be as proficient musically. Even in a pop song it is frequently difficult to play perfectly for 3 to 5 or 6 minutes. Digital recording allowed bands to just play for one section of a song. When I first tracked bass guitar parts, engineering myself on an ADAT, I had just learned how to play bass by learning the beautiful and melodic bass lines that my wife had composed for her project Lackadaisy, that I was producing at the time. The bass player quit before the recording started and Chris (my wife) had been struggling with a bit of tendinitis so she wanted to eschew playing the more physical bass lines herself. She gave me one bass line that was just out of my league technically on a song called "Still Live on Mars" (the title track). I'll never forget learning that bass line, one or two bars at a time...........using a click track and the crossfade possibilities of the ADAT. On the record you are literally hearing a bassist who could not possibly and physically play that bass line from start to finish like in the old analogue tape recording days. Amazingly, it sounds great having recorded it, one bar at a time all the way through the piece. Now if you hear the phrase "the first take broke down" it generally means that the computers have crashed..................lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 04:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CA233C016; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PkUfOqBmhXlwTEZnuqS3ylK39o8MWvYFDNqpdB7Kh/XjKlno6HoaQyyL44j7+NOYWk1isuX81GXAJl6XC/5cPp2r4fs4KigV8FHblIjjyf7gJWRglQXS+SPrSQXjYtObFMY/ilCVkgnqf/M+inV56EMEt1vVJw6gyW+dMCdM0hg= Message-ID: <46fea78d0602222008n75428de0h3dbc9686ab04d026@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:08:42 -0800 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sound quality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12132_24730060.1140667722426" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:08:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12132_24730060.1140667722426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I didn't appreciate the quality of sound I got out of a loop on the RC-20 when I used it in the store, that's the only looper they carry (small town)= . I've heard the Lexicon JamMan and am a big fan of it. I assume the Echoplex has a good sound for that price. But I'm curious about the Digitech JamMan and the RC-50. Can anyone vouch for the way they sound? Is it a sampling rate issue I'm hearing, or what? I'd like to hear some feedback before I purchase any of these units. Thanks! David ------=_Part_12132_24730060.1140667722426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I didn't appreciate the quality of sound I got out of a loop on the RC= -20 when I used it in the store, that's the only looper they carry (small t= own). I've heard the Lexicon JamMan and am a big fan of it. I assume the Ec= hoplex has a good sound for that price. But I'm curious about the Digitech = JamMan and the RC-50. Can anyone vouch for the way they sound? Is it a samp= ling rate issue I'm hearing, or what? I'd like to hear some feedback before= I purchase any of these units. Thanks!
 
David
 
------=_Part_12132_24730060.1140667722426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 05:37:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CD113C020; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0602222008n75428de0h3dbc9686ab04d026@mail.gmail.com> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: sound quality Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:37:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 05:37:02.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C984380:01C6383B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:37:04 +0000 (UTC)




I didn't appreciate the quality of sound I got out of a loop on the RC-20 when I used it in the store,
 
 
Hi David,
 
I had an RC-20 and was very pleased with the sound.  Perhaps it was the surroundings or the a/c?  I don't know but I thought it put out exactly what went in.
 
Rob Cathcart

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:15:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78DB43C016; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALkn/UOICSwD Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060223104845.0280f8d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:03:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar In-Reply-To: <20060223053704.125E83C02B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060223053704.125E83C02B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:05 +0000 (UTC) >But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is >trying to create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, >hi-hat etc. , then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Hi Max, While I agree wholeheartedly that your approach is a good way to go, I have to disagree that it's all that hard to emulate sounds that are close enough to a drum kit to function in the same way. http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3 represents what I found possible using a cheap multi-FX (though like you, I mostly make percussive sounds just by playing technique). To emulate a kick drum, using technique (& maybe FX) is a lot of fun, and also leads to the discovery of a whole range of sounds. ...not "disappointment" ;-) , well not for me anyway. > The sounds coming off the gtr really do not sound like the real thing. neither do a lot of popular drum sounds, that's a factor that makes emulation easier andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:15:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A37E53C016; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00dd01c6386a$6b7a3de0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "Mr Dick" Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:15:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:43 +0000 (UTC) I am not a conventional electric guitarist but I own two strats and two mini toy electric guitars (that are nonetheless playable) and I mostly play these instruments as 'found objects'. I come from a percussion/drumset tradition originally with a heavy emphasis on world rhythms, odd times and polyrhtyms so I exploit electric (and acoustic) instruments a lot for rhythm looping effects. I agree with Max about not trying to get a drum set out of the electric or acoustic (although if you think of the sounds as being part of an analogue drum machine the comparison is a bit more accurate). An important thing to remember is that a drumset exploits hi sounds, midrange sounds (which tend to have longer envelopes) and bass sounds. If you think of the guitar as a percussion instrument, the important thing to remember is that most great and complex percussion instruments have at least two ranges of sound: lo and hi, if not three ranges of sound, like a drumset-----lo, midrange and hi. remember that even if you dont' have a cheap harmonizer that you can use rapid tonal control by either rolling off hi end and rolling on bass frequencies or even rolling off all hi and lo frequencies and maximizing midrange frequencies (telephone effect) to radically change the sound of your electric guitar percussion ensemple. Even a good wah wah pedal can be utilized to change or sweep the frequency characteristics of a your percussion noises. Speaking of cheap harmonizer pedals. The cheapest ones I've found are in the $200 range: the Digitech Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 each have a footpedal sweepable harmonizer in them (with pretty low fidelity-------though I like them, myself). **************************** and a quick mention about beaters on strings: Whenever I go touring I always take a couple of packets of those cheap blue swizzle Tiki head plastic swizzle sticks that they sell (10 or so to a package). They are amazing because they act exactly like a hammer dulcimer hammer.........in other words if you hold at the small end and just let the Tiki head fall on the string it will bounce rapidly like a hammer dulcimer or a kanun. Additionally, I use the back flat side of the plastic Tiki head as a slide, so that stick can be switched rapidly changing from a sticking instrument to a slide instrument. If you are using two of these up hi near the bridge you can avail yourself of the closeness of the harmonics and switch one of the sticks to become a mini slide while the other one keeps hammering. Speaking of that devil, Hammer Dulcimer hammers are incredible on guitars.......they are designed to have rapid multiple bounces which is amazing for rapid rhythmic work. While we are on the subject, another wonderful aleatory rhtyhmic device that I've used (and was inspired by Michael Haumesser who I believe was inspired orignally by Fred Frith) is to take those metal chinese balls that are used for hand exercises and roll them down the strings. Many sounds like snare drums, have a longer envelope (especially when a reverb or gated reverb is added). If you are using an Echoplex in INS = SUB mode and OVERDUB = SUS mode, you can roll the large balls down the strings (really cool if you've already prepared the strings nearest the bridge with things like forks, knives, alligator clips, et. al.) and then hold down the INSert or the OVERDUB buttons down just when you want your sound to occur rhythmically. You can get really unusual ersatz 'snare' drum sounds by using this technique. I've seen people use very small BBs or tiny ball bearings (although this is just a mess to clean up quickly on stage at festivals---------trust me, I"ve tried it a couple of times) or, as I saw Fred Frith do once in Santa Cruz, rice or other grains and just drop them on the strings. Again, utilized with the INS = SUB and OVRDB = SUS modes you can take a longer event and only capture a bit of it. Remember too, that if you use an Echoplex, that you can use Silence as a Replace or Substitue mode to create 'negative' rhythms. Sometimes using INS = SUB and hitting the INS button rapidly only the offbeats can chop up a more complex rhythm you've already recorded with the insertion of rhytymic silence. This sounds better on off beats rather than on beats. I love playing very long envelope sounds but only grabbing slight bits of them while using INS = SUB. Sorry to mention the EDP so much but this instrument is probably the best of all loopers at creating rhythmic effects and slicing and dicing the loops you make. I also use resampling from one looper to another in rhythmic ways which really enhances percussive electric guitar playing (or any instrument, of course). ************************ One last idea................................play the guitar percussively with your fingers, rings, utensils, mallets (try different types to get different timbres and different attack characteristics with one hand on your volume knob or rocking a volume pedal with your foot. Play this constantly and rhythmically as you play and loop. In Indonsesia, they have the rhythmic concept of IRAMA which means that every note of the syncopative resolution (lowest note value in your rhythm) is played. If you are playing radically different techniques almost randomly yet using a constant on and off of volume with your volume knob or volume floor pedal you can create this trancey technique and ever time the volume swells up (great if it is really, really rapid) you have a slightly different timbre from your random thwacking of the guitar. ***************** Oh yeah, and Claude Voit must be sited as the person who innovatively put piezo pickups (I think) ABOVE the nut to pick up the non-melodic elements of knocking, rubbing, playing the strings above the nut and other possible above the nut percussion styles. *************** Gosh, I keep thinking of different things............sorry for the length of this post: Super balls on the back of Acoustic Guitars can create cool whale sounds..................they can then be dropped to create random percussive, bouncing sounds. ************* Okay, I"ll shut up...............shouldn't of had that huge cup of dark roast coffee so late in the evening..............lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:22:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292DE3C02F; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:18:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <43FD9A23.7040503@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:22:48 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze and more of his remastered works. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc three from "In Blue" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be "Live" by Klaus Schulze on Brain Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#feb Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be this Saturday, February 25 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music from IZZ's new CD and music from the Mahavishnu Project, two bands that will soon be in concert at the New Jersey Proghouse. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:24:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00C6C3C02F; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NNc3vICn57qr+VVAMwy9LxFB9idQN0JRSOrqqza4e83JDoSJ+EoVB4oDc5NFMCwquLFp2a3voqXWBRW2Lj9LHEFr1XR04wkcci0MSQGEcbeYRaoB9nB9rmJEeZCShcQId0/vu4pzDjmkUYzgrdyaa/3I46tIPcm4EF3+K7dQHjk= ; Message-ID: <20060223112433.97123.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:24:33 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060223104845.0280f8d0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1557661322-1140693873=:94736" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:24:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1557661322-1140693873=:94736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Does anyone have clues on what to buy for recording loop-gigs and rehearsals ? Have anyone used the M-AUDIO MICRO TRACK 24 96 NEW --- FREE ? Or IRiver IFP 799 ? Tell me, are the dat-recorders outdated ? Rune F, Norway a k butler skrev: >But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is >trying to create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, >hi-hat etc. , then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Hi Max, While I agree wholeheartedly that your approach is a good way to go, I have to disagree that it's all that hard to emulate sounds that are close enough to a drum kit to function in the same way. http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3 represents what I found possible using a cheap multi-FX (though like you, I mostly make percussive sounds just by playing technique). To emulate a kick drum, using technique (& maybe FX) is a lot of fun, and also leads to the discovery of a whole range of sounds. ...not "disappointment" ;-) , well not for me anyway. > The sounds coming off the gtr really do not sound like the real thing. neither do a lot of popular drum sounds, that's a factor that makes emulation easier andy butler --0-1557661322-1140693873=:94736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Does anyone have clues on what to buy for recording loop-gigs and rehearsals ?
 
Have anyone used the 
 
Or IRiver IFP 799 ?
 
Tell me, are the dat-recorders outdated ?
 
Rune F, Norway 


a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> skrev:

>But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is
>trying to create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare,
>hi-hat etc. , then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Hi Max,
While I agree wholeheartedly that your approach is a good way to go,
I have to disagree that it's all that hard to emulate sounds that are
close enough to a drum kit to function in the same way.

http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3
represents what I found possible using a cheap multi-FX
(though like you, I mostly make percussive sounds just by playing technique).

To emulate a kick drum, using technique (& maybe FX) is a lot of fun,
and also leads to the discovery of a whole range of sounds.
...not "disappointment" ;-) , well not for me anyway.


> The sounds coming off the gtr really do not sound like the real thing.

neither do a lot of popular drum sounds, that's a factor that makes
emulation easier

andy butler


--0-1557661322-1140693873=:94736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:33:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C9D83C035; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eU1jJyQfEOrildh7KSXp7Ck3lLGcb+dg/GuMxUvN5ajkzwjYbEkQ6+PDvCEbSMw4U2noN9bGriDHDaFnWKsDujQG1QwIDJZb+uhlaYCPkF2FJZ5wwg2YEbhUyOfg47rdB9steP5Co1cz8Z6Ct92GgADQ7/1/wHyMbi37QPHqASM= ; Message-ID: <20060223113307.16446.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:33:07 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1980423461-1140694387=:15910" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:33:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1980423461-1140694387=:15910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Have anyone comments on the use of kaos-pad (korg) and electrix filter, for altering loops ? Rune F, Norway --0-1980423461-1140694387=:15910 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Have anyone comments on the use of kaos-pad (korg) and electrix filter, for altering loops ?
 
Rune F, Norway 
--0-1980423461-1140694387=:15910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 11:36:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F553C036; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T+GwU85LWFumr7iYvuEk7WTECqG2F58Fj5Q5aPY1Wbxva0rpwgy8/NlU4ZVy3lVBPRxS5wqkCZs98wYmlXKgcVvTeVp7MyQDJB7Fv3e6YCUMOpmIhskMpHWQHEvF4BhaumDqonFGgdsMtdL5RpnmsnheJxmmdOHqq4R8wRhp5Nw= ; Message-ID: <20060223113623.32885.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:36:23 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: filter v.s moog murf and 102, v.s kaospad To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1025055799-1140694583=:29794" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:36:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-1025055799-1140694583=:29794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Any thoughts of using moog murf and pf 102 when looping ? any good ? Rune f --0-1025055799-1140694583=:29794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Any thoughts of using moog murf and pf 102 when looping ? any good ?
 
Rune f
--0-1025055799-1140694583=:29794-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 13:14:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6BEE3C031; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029b01c6387b$04609850$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060223112433.97123.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:14:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 482, in=239112, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:14:06 +0000 (UTC) I've been using the M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 for a few weeks now (recommended by Tom Richford). I love it. It is ridiculously small for a solid state recorder, records to wav or MP3, in various frequencies or bit rates. I has a stereo mini mic plug in, phantom power, plus two 1/4 inch balanced inputs. It uses a compact flash card as well. I bought a 2GIG card for mine which can record 24 hours of MP3s in 192 bit rate, or over 3 hours of wav files. I've only used it with the mic so far, recording my recurring Monday traditional jazz gig, and I'm impressed with the quality so far. I have yet to use the direct inputs, but hope to soon. What I like about it the most is that I just connect the unit to my PC via USB and drag the wav or MP3 files to my computer to edit. If you get it, be sure to go to the website and download the new firmware. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: rune fagereng To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? Hi ! Does anyone have clues on what to buy for recording loop-gigs and rehearsals ? Have anyone used the M-AUDIO MICRO TRACK 24 96 NEW --- FREE ? Or IRiver IFP 799 ? Tell me, are the dat-recorders outdated ? Rune F, Norway a k butler skrev: >But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is >trying to create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, >hi-hat etc. , then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Hi Max, While I agree wholeheartedly that your approach is a good way to go, I have to disagree that it's all that hard to emulate sounds that are close enough to a drum kit to function in the same way. http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3 represents what I found possible using a cheap multi-FX (though like you, I mostly make percussive sounds just by playing technique). To emulate a kick drum, using technique (& maybe FX) is a lot of fun, and also leads to the discovery of a whole range of sounds. ...not "disappointment" ;-) , well not for me anyway. > The sounds coming off the gtr really do not sound like the real thing. neither do a lot of popular drum sounds, that's a factor that makes emulation easier andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 14:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597C03C02F; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xhpKQ45vxx7rH3hriJEuMVz7cEqlCWg1kYMpqahQPgbDNlGGOhdwc4UQGBZ0mZ9Tqk5egU1vqdjtrzwpHAFzy80/i3Y+cwi3SMP9/tq46Zi4v0Lpzeo7+vwuENkA14PlTS6ow0bNmJl6SAQre52UxAj1KSeeae1ldojomivGxF0= ; Message-ID: <20060223142944.78540.qmail@web33813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003401c637e8$08fd34b0$6701a8c0@DELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-369983049-1140704984=:78099" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:29:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-369983049-1140704984=:78099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pedar (and others): I can't recall where I read it (but it was recent and was somebody like Rick Turner or Dan Erlewine) who said you can really do some serious damage to the tone of your p/u's by bringing metal in contact with the poles/magnets. It might be a neat sound but it could cost you a new set of pick-ups. ted h. Peder Jakobsen wrote: Inspired by max's post, I just tried lightly tapping a bass pickup pole magnet with a medium sized bolt. You can feel the magnet pulling on it, and ya get a great percussive sound with lots of attack. With delay time set to 250 ms and 100% feedback, it is definately percussive and interesting. p.j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "max valentino" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar > > Sorry about the late post to this..I have been a bit busy of late > scraping, patting, thunking and muting on my own! > > Alright, the "faux drum" thang is something I do quite a bit, yet not on > an elec. Gtr but rather on an acoustic bass guitar. Some years back, when > I first started doing solo bass/looping shows, I was using A LOT of > processing and as many as three drum machines to supply drum/percussion > parts. I found that as much as 70% of my audience would grow bored (or at > least apathetic) of my show once the machines started. Looping solo bass, > on the other hand, who keep their attention. I tend to think of this as a > reaction to "canned tracks" and sequences being the opposite of a "live" > performance. I even tried "playing" a drum machine at times (tapping in > the patterns I would use in real time to give the resemblance of a real > performance). And, while the reaction to this was perhaps a little > warmer, there was always to "boredom factor" of having to watch someone > tapping little buttons and then hearing "big" drum sounds. > > So, I went to playing drum parts on my bass (this was at Rick Walker's > initial suggestion.and it was a remarkable bit of advice!) I use all of > the afore mentioned techniques (string mutes, playing behind the nut, > strumming behind a natural harmonic, use of pinch harmonics, multi-finger > pats and mutes-think paradiddles-nail scrapes, finger rubs, palm rubs and > pats-which when applied at differing positions can produce an array of > differing timbres-and of course the use of foreign objects to "prepare" > the bass (see John Cage and prepared piano for reference.) > I will at times use the Derek Bailey/Fred Frith trick of "drumming " the > strings with either metal, plastic or wood objects (each for a different > "flavor"-plastic swizzle sticks and bamboo chopsticks are my > favorite)..and even use my wedding ring to tap out patterns against the > strings. And, I have been somewhat renown for the use of alligator clips > which give me a fantastic ersatz-gamelan effect. I also tap, hit and smack > the back of the neck, the headstock, the bridge and various parts of the > body (a'la Hedges, Badi Assad and Preston Reed). Sometimes I use a metal > slide as well. > > I don't currently use any electronic effects for this-I have in the past, > but now do all my sonic manipulation "manually". > > But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is trying to > create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, hi-hat etc. , then > you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The sounds coming off the > gtr really do not sound like the real thing. What actually is emulated in > these techniques is the envelope of certain drum sounds and their rhythmic > placement in the music. Often times is is easier for us to "hear" drum > parts when using "drum sounds". I have found that any sound when employs > a necessary percussive envelope ( ask what is the attack, decay and pitch > of the sound I "hear") will fit. I often use references to drum sounds > ("gamelan" "gong"" bongo" or "snare") to catalog the sounds and techniques > I use on my bass, but I really do not try to emulate the actual drum sound > ("bongo-ish" might be a better description.), and often I find myself > using those sounds out of context of which would be used in a traditional > drum kit i.e. often I use a "snare-ish" sound on what might usually be > filled with a kick drum. > > The thing here is not to try to emulate/imitate drum or drum machine > sounds but rather develop a vocabulary of interesting tones and timbres > which employ various types of "percussive" envelopes and then develop a > rhythmic sense and acuity to employ those in a unique and creative > way ---vis a vis the use of loops. > > I have found this direction to be both more rewarding and more musical. > > Max > --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! 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Pedar (and others):
 
I can't recall where I read it (but it was recent and was somebody like Rick Turner or Dan Erlewine) who said you can really do some serious damage to the tone of your p/u's by bringing metal in contact with the poles/magnets.
 
It might be a neat sound but it could cost you a new set of pick-ups.
 
 
ted h.
 


Peder Jakobsen <peder@jakobsen.ca> wrote:
Inspired by max's post, I just tried lightly tapping a bass pickup pole
magnet with a medium sized bolt. You can feel the magnet pulling on it, and
ya get a great percussive sound with lots of attack. With delay time set to
250 ms and 100% feedback, it is definately percussive and interesting.

p.j.

----- Original Message -----
From: "max valentino"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar


>
> Sorry about the late post to this..I have been a bit busy of late
> scraping, patting, thunking and muting on my own!
>
> Alright, the "faux drum" thang is something I do quite a bit, yet not on
> an elec. Gtr but rather on an acoustic bass guitar. Some years back, when
> I first started doing solo bass/looping shows, I was using A LOT of
> processing and as many as three drum machines to supply drum/percussion
> parts. I found that as much as 70% of my audience would grow bored (or at
> least apathetic) of my show once the machines started. Looping solo bass,
> on the other hand, who keep their attention. I tend to think of this as a
> reaction to "canned tracks" and sequences being the opposite of a "live"
> performance. I even tried "playing" a drum machine at times (tapping in
> the patterns I would use in real time to give the resemblance of a real
> performance). And, while the reaction to this was perhaps a little
> warmer, there was always to "boredom factor" of having to watch someone
> tapping little buttons and then hearing "big" drum sounds.
>
> So, I went to playing drum parts on my bass (this was at Rick Walker's
> initial suggestion.and it was a remarkable bit of advice!) I use all of
> the afore mentioned techniques (string mutes, playing behind the nut,
> strumming behind a natural harmonic, use of pinch harmonics, multi-finger
> pats and mutes-think paradiddles-nail scrapes, finger rubs, palm rubs and
> pats-which when applied at differing positions can produce an array of
> differing timbres-and of course the use of foreign objects to "prepare"
> the bass (see John Cage and prepared piano for reference.)
> I will at times use the Derek Bailey/Fred Frith trick of "drumming " the
> strings with either metal, plastic or wood objects (each for a different
> "flavor"-plastic swizzle sticks and bamboo chopsticks are my
> favorite)..and even use my wedding ring to tap out patterns against the
> strings. And, I have been somewhat renown for the use of alligator clips
> which give me a fantastic ersatz-gamelan effect. I also tap, hit and smack
> the back of the neck, the headstock, the bridge and various parts of the
> body (a'la Hedges, Badi Assad and Preston Reed). Sometimes I use a metal
> slide as well.
>
> I don't currently use any electronic effects for this-I have in the past,
> but now do all my sonic manipulation "manually".
>
> But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is trying to
> create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, hi-hat etc. , then
> you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The sounds coming off the
> gtr really do not sound like the real thing. What actually is emulated in
> these techniques is the envelope of certain drum sounds and their rhythmic
> placement in the music. Often times is is easier for us to "hear" drum
> parts when using "drum sounds". I have found that any sound when employs
> a necessary percussive envelope ( ask what is the attack, decay and pitch
> of the sound I "hear") will fit. I often use references to drum sounds
> ("gamelan" "gong"" bongo" or "snare") to catalog the sounds and techniques
> I use on my bass, but I really do not try to emulate the actual drum sound
> ("bongo-ish" might be a better description.), and often I find myself
> using those sounds out of context of which would be used in a traditional
> drum kit i.e. often I use a "snare-ish" sound on what might usually be
> filled with a kick drum.
>
> The thing here is not to try to emulate/imitate drum or drum machine
> sounds but rather develop a vocabulary of interesting tones and timbres
> which employ various types of "percussive" envelopes and then develop a
> rhythmic sense and acuity to employ those in a unique and creative
> way ---vis a vis the use of loops.
>
> I have found this direction to be both more rewarding and more musical.
>
> Max
>


Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-369983049-1140704984=:78099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 14:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9343C033; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VxyZWMnx+NBhWrXOXSlMJOYF0Vwm18wmwhTzfBs5C5t5MXQ3swMvjRpCFv2eiant6JoaoHzNQnpJ3gzeH4H5kGIiKuEtsaD9RFLGOvVQyTqpS6L9XRRTvq///G0p/LgOyAu2XGK7ZNRtrjv3I6DVivWJ792F8YtVZv3PQLGbRbA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0602230651r1e51a052mff557252d47c23ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:51:43 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? In-Reply-To: <029b01c6387b$04609850$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060223112433.97123.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <029b01c6387b$04609850$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1uk1j.A.T0H.Cwc_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:51:46 +0000 (UTC) I use the iRiver IFP-795, and I'm very happy with it. I notice that the iRiver store has the ifp-780 for $59.95 now: https://secure11.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=3Diriver&Bu= sType=3DBtoC&Count1=3D253841578&Count2=3D170982003 so it's not a big risk. (The iRiver IFP models are the only mp3 players that I'm aware of that will power a condesor microphone. The best recording quality is mp3 320kps) On 2/23/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I've been using the M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 for a few weeks now > (recommended by Tom Richford). I love it. It is ridiculously small for a > solid state recorder, records to wav or MP3, in various frequencies or bi= t > rates. I has a stereo mini mic plug in, phantom power, plus two 1/4 inch > balanced inputs. It uses a compact flash card as well. I bought a 2GIG ca= rd > for mine which can record 24 hours of MP3s in 192 bit rate, or over 3 hou= rs > of wav files. I've only used it with the mic so far, recording my recurr= ing > Monday traditional jazz gig, and I'm impressed with the quality so far. I > have yet to use the direct inputs, but hope to soon. What I like about i= t > the most is that I just connect the unit to my PC via USB and drag the wa= v > or MP3 files to my computer to edit. > > If you get it, be sure to go to the website and download the new firmware= . > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rune fagereng > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:24 AM > Subject: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? > > > Hi ! > > Does anyone have clues on what to buy for recording loop-gigs and rehears= als > ? > > Have anyone used the > M-AUDIO MICRO TRACK 24 96 NEW --- FREE ? > > Or IRiver IFP 799 ? > > Tell me, are the dat-recorders outdated ? > > Rune F, Norway > > > a k butler skrev: > > >But here is the big advice from what I have learned: If one is > >trying to create the "sounds" of drums, be that of kick snare, > >hi-hat etc. , then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. > > Hi Max, > While I agree wholeheartedly that your approach is a good way to go, > I have to disagree that it's all that hard to emulate sounds that are > close enough to a drum kit to function in the same way. > > http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/static.mp3 > represents what I found possible using a cheap multi-FX > (though like you, I mostly make percussive sounds just by playing > technique). > > To emulate a kick drum, using technique (& maybe FX) is a lot of fun, > and also leads to the discovery of a whole range of sounds. > ...not "disappointment" ;-) , well not for me anyway. > > > > The sounds coming off the gtr really do not sound like the real thing. > > neither do a lot of popular drum sounds, that's a factor that makes > emulation easier > > andy butler > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 15:47:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41B8A3C02E; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:47:44 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: sound quality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a401c63890$b7c00a60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9w7+mIHX6qZOZmCCqmML2g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:47:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9w7+mIHX6qZOZmCCqmML2g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I too will say that the RC-20 has pretty immaculate sound. maybe an input level was up too high, or it was feeding a mixer or amp set incorrectly? dB, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: rob cathcart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: RE: sound quality I didn't appreciate the quality of sound I got out of a loop on the RC-20 when I used it in the store, Hi David, I had an RC-20 and was very pleased with the sound. Perhaps it was the surroundings or the a/c? I don't know but I thought it put out exactly what went in. Rob Cathcart --Boundary_(ID_9w7+mIHX6qZOZmCCqmML2g) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I too will say that the RC-20 has pretty immaculate sound. maybe an input level was up too high, or it was feeding a mixer or amp set incorrectly?
dB, coyote
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:37 AM
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I didn't appreciate the quality of sound I got out of a loop on the RC-20 when I used it in the store,
 
 
Hi David,
 
I had an RC-20 and was very pleased with the sound.  Perhaps it was the surroundings or the a/c?  I don't know but I thought it put out exactly what went in.
 
Rob Cathcart

--Boundary_(ID_9w7+mIHX6qZOZmCCqmML2g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 16:01:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD7113C03C; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,141,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="208088766:sNHT34012716" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:57:40 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Hyde Park, MA 2.25.06 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing my last performance at the current Artists at Large space this Saturday. Details below. I'm on from 9:45 until closing (11 ish) At 10:29 AM -0500 2/19/06, timcasey wrote: > >Hi everyone on the Lowbudget Live e-mail list! > >Just a reminder that this Saturday, February 25th, is the Lowbudget Benefit >for Artists-At-Large, which is closing in its current location while Tommey >(with our aid) seeks bigger and better spaces. Here's a copy of the press >release as Mr. Curt put it out: > >*************************************************************************** >Saturday, February 25 8-11pm >ARTISTS-AT-LARGE GALLERY >6 Webster St. / Cleary Sq. / Hyde Park >[617-276-3223] >A LOW BUDGET RECORDS BENEFIT FOR TOMMEY >w/ CHILLGROOVE (w/ Dr. T's Video Immersions), MR. 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[Also, it's serving as a special CD >release party for our two new LowBudget albums, Hayim Kobi's new-age >dreamscape, "Compusitions", and for my eclectic offering, "Ability and >Desire". Both will be available at the show.) Here's a grand wish for a >tremendous turnout for a good cause. > >Set times: >8:00 = Mr. Curt Ensemble >8:45 = Glenn Williams >9:15 = Andy Hollinger >9:45 = Bird Mancini >10:15 = Chillgroove > >*************************************************************************** > >I was at Dr. T's "Video Immersions" show last night at AAL and was mightily >impressed. You've got to see this stuff! This will be a great party and a >great show, so please come on by and give Tommey the sendoff he deserves. >It'll help fortify him for the upcoming "find a new space" struggle. >Suggested donation is $8, but Tommey needs all the help he can get at this >point, so bring your wallet as well as your innate sense of generosity for >someone who has done so much for the community. Think about it - is there >any other place to go in Hyde Park on a Saturday night? > >Thanks for tuning in, and keep watching the skies! > >- Tim Casey >Chief Wazoo and Grand Poo-Bah (it even says so on my Billboard magazine >mailing label), >Lowbudget Records Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 17:58:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C52F3C027; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060223174356.17351.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060223174356.17351.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Looping in GP Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:55:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:58:46 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:43 AM, ditch wrestler wrote: > Is that the issue with Alex Lifeson on the cover? Nope. This one has Derek Trucks on the cover. It's probably not on news stands yet, but it should be very soon. > Is it a good article? Yes. I think it's worth most peoples' time to take a look at it. There's not going to be anything revelatory there for long-time loopers like a lot of you. But I think you'll find that it's a very fine representation of the tools of looping and the creative possibilities for current and would-be loopers. It's also current enough to mention the forthcoming Looperlative, for instance, as well as most of the other loopers that people are familiar with. People like Per, Kim, and Matthias are mentioned by name, as well as a few others. Loopers-Delight is also mentioned. So, yes, I think it's well done. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 18:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04C23C036; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T6zMZFY+gkN4rg1pPi1NboaTCZalwMEnBS8X5JvelDhiMcSNzAwT5ajYOH9BU2g4olV8q929zFe0ZHyC0vukeCf49lARzWYHuOKIbh8MA9ypOvfhdp8ZXxJWj205utsYkCIJpzX3cnU2DuSqRgaDXYmv5bHyGzGFmaLuQa9VOpo= ; Message-ID: <20060223184426.32328.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060223113307.16446.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <37xknB.A.JFB.LKg_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:44:27 +0000 (UTC) I've never used the Electrix filter, but the KAOSS pad KP-2 rules (be careful of the KP-1, they're fragile) if not for sonic quality, for pure types of effects and an interface that's easy to use and fun. Brian Eno swears by them. My issue with Electrix is they take up a lot of space in a rack for what they do. Great for home studio use where space/lugging isn't an issue, but when you're trying for a lean light portable rig, the Line6 filter made it into my rack instead. I've never compared the two but I do like the Line6 for the money. Really, the two are mostly different animals and any looping rig could benefit from any of the gear I've talked about. Fun! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 18:59:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76F93C038; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17821936.1140719757873.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:35:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4hUCTC.A.aCC.qYg_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:59:54 +0000 (UTC) NICE WORK, BROTHER! YOU'VE GIVEN A YEAR'S WORTH OF IDEAS AND EXPERIMENTS...IT'LL KEEP ME BUSY FOR SURE. YOURS IN TONE, TIM WWW.MYSPACE/TIMMUNGENAST -----Original Message----- >From: "loop.pool" >Sent: Feb 23, 2006 6:15 AM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , Mr Dick >Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar > >I am not a conventional electric guitarist but I own two strats and two >mini toy electric guitars (that are nonetheless playable) and I mostly play >these instruments as 'found objects'. > >I come from a percussion/drumset tradition originally with a heavy emphasis >on world rhythms, >odd times and polyrhtyms so I exploit electric (and acoustic) instruments a >lot for rhythm looping >effects. > >I agree with Max about not trying to get a drum set out of the electric or >acoustic (although if you think of the >sounds as being part of an analogue drum machine the comparison is a bit >more accurate). > >An important thing to remember is that a drumset exploits hi sounds, >midrange sounds (which tend to have >longer envelopes) and bass sounds. > >If you think of the guitar as a percussion instrument, the important thing >to remember is that most great >and complex percussion instruments have at least two ranges of sound: lo >and hi, if not three ranges of >sound, like a drumset-----lo, midrange and hi. > >remember that even if you dont' have a cheap harmonizer that you can use >rapid tonal control >by either rolling off hi end and rolling on bass frequencies or even rolling >off all hi and lo frequencies and maximizing >midrange frequencies (telephone effect) to radically change the sound of >your electric guitar percussion ensemple. > >Even a good wah wah pedal can be utilized to change or sweep the frequency >characteristics of a your percussion noises. > >Speaking of cheap harmonizer pedals. The cheapest ones I've found are in >the $200 range: >the Digitech Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 each have a >footpedal sweepable >harmonizer in them (with pretty low fidelity-------though I like them, >myself). > > >**************************** >and a quick mention about beaters on strings: > >Whenever I go touring I always take a couple of packets of those cheap blue >swizzle Tiki head plastic swizzle sticks that they sell >(10 or so to a package). > >They are amazing because they act exactly like a hammer dulcimer >hammer.........in other words if you hold at the small end and just >let the Tiki head fall on the string it will bounce rapidly like a hammer >dulcimer or a kanun. > >Additionally, I use the back flat side of the plastic Tiki head as a slide, >so that stick can be switched rapidly changing from a >sticking instrument to a slide instrument. > >If you are using two of these up hi near the bridge you can avail yourself >of the closeness of the harmonics and switch one of the sticks to become a >mini slide while the other one keeps hammering. > >Speaking of that devil, Hammer Dulcimer hammers are incredible on >guitars.......they are designed to have rapid multiple bounces which is >amazing for rapid rhythmic work. > >While we are on the subject, another wonderful aleatory rhtyhmic device >that I've used (and was inspired by Michael Haumesser who I believe was >inspired orignally by Fred Frith) is to take those metal chinese balls that >are used for hand exercises and roll >them down the strings. > >Many sounds like snare drums, have a longer envelope (especially when a >reverb or gated reverb is added). If you are using >an Echoplex in INS = SUB mode and OVERDUB = SUS mode, you can roll the >large balls down the strings (really cool if you've already prepared the >strings nearest the bridge with things like forks, knives, alligator clips, >et. al.) and then hold down >the INSert or the OVERDUB buttons down just when you want your sound to >occur rhythmically. > >You can get really unusual ersatz 'snare' drum sounds by using this >technique. > >I've seen people use very small BBs or tiny ball bearings (although this is >just a mess to clean up quickly on stage at festivals---------trust me, I"ve >tried it a couple of times) or, as I saw Fred Frith do once in Santa Cruz, >rice or other grains and just drop >them on the strings. Again, utilized with the INS = SUB and OVRDB = SUS >modes you can take a longer event and only >capture a bit of it. > >Remember too, that if you use an Echoplex, that you can use Silence as a >Replace or Substitue mode to create 'negative' rhythms. >Sometimes using INS = SUB and hitting the INS button rapidly only the >offbeats can chop up a more complex rhythm you've already >recorded with the insertion of rhytymic silence. This sounds better on >off beats rather than on beats. > >I love playing very long envelope sounds but only grabbing slight bits of >them while using INS = SUB. >Sorry to mention the EDP so much but this instrument is probably the best of >all loopers at creating rhythmic effects and slicing and dicing the loops >you make. > >I also use resampling from one looper to another in rhythmic ways which >really enhances percussive electric guitar playing (or any instrument, of >course). > >************************ >One last idea................................play the guitar percussively >with your fingers, rings, utensils, mallets (try different types to get >different timbres and different attack characteristics with one hand on your >volume knob or rocking a volume pedal with your foot. >Play this constantly and rhythmically as you play and loop. > >In Indonsesia, they have the rhythmic concept of IRAMA which means that >every note of the syncopative resolution (lowest note value in your rhythm) >is played. > >If you are playing radically different techniques almost randomly yet using >a constant on and off of volume with your volume knob or >volume floor pedal you can create this trancey technique and ever time the >volume swells up (great if it is really, really rapid) >you have a slightly different timbre from your random thwacking of the >guitar. > >***************** >Oh yeah, and Claude Voit must be sited as the person who innovatively put >piezo pickups (I think) ABOVE the nut to pick up >the non-melodic elements of knocking, rubbing, playing the strings above >the nut and other possible above the nut percussion styles. > >*************** >Gosh, I keep thinking of different things............sorry for the length of >this post: > >Super balls on the back of Acoustic Guitars can create cool whale >sounds..................they can then be dropped to create random >percussive, bouncing sounds. > >************* >Okay, I"ll shut up...............shouldn't of had that huge cup of dark >roast coffee so late in the evening..............lol. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 19:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B09B3C046; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAD2Y/UOICyw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060223192053.02da19a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:25:55 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? In-Reply-To: <20060223185955.181833C043@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060223185955.181833C043@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) At 18:59 23/02/06, you wrote: >I use the iRiver IFP-795, and I'm very happy with it. I notice that >the iRiver store has the ifp-780 for $59.95 now: >https://secure11.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=iriver&BusType=BtoC&Count1=253841578&Count2=170982003 >so it's not a big risk. (The iRiver IFP models are the only mp3 >players that I'm aware of that will power a condesor microphone. are you sure that doesn't just mean that it provides a couple of Volts to power an electret condenser? > The >best recording quality is mp3 320kps) > >On 2/23/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I've been using the M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 for a few weeks now > > (recommended by Tom Richford). I love it. It is ridiculously small for a > > solid state recorder, records to wav or MP3, in various frequencies or bit > > rates. I has a stereo mini mic plug in, phantom power, plus two 1/4 inch > > balanced inputs. This just had a good review in Sound on Sound magazine. Kris, does it have SP/Dif input? The article implied it had, but the socket appears to be in the output section. They also said that the phantom power was only 30V, rather than the full 48V, so that not all mics would work with it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 19:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8B43C041; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:32:06 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c638af$d536abc0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060223184426.32328.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY4qSzdFc6T2dYnQ7eIg3F020/0sQABgnkg Resent-Message-ID: <1_XeBD.A.BGD.72g_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Mark said: > I've never used the Electrix filter, but the KAOSS pad > KP-2 rules (be careful of the KP-1, they're fragile) if not Amen to that. Although I have to say that I prefer the sound of the filters of the KP1 (perhaps because of lacking sound quality?), the overall sound quality and choice of effects and options is better in the KP2. > My issue with Electrix is they take up a lot of space in a > rack for what they do. Great for home studio use where Exactly my point. Regarding the Electrix Filter Factory, I did really enjoy its distortion effect (the Filter Factory has a distortion in addition to the filter). And vs the Line6 or the Kaoss, it's analogue, which might be of importance to some ideologically challenged people. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 20:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D0B73C045; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kCXo6df5ZDx4K+S4N8O9OblsbuKlriNlbFgyiKsvnu0NP+8hZAiYFxxl/sFJreyi; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:03:18 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c638af$d536abc0$0601a8c0@succubus> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48bb7b37b6f3ea09b2ef749035c3c1a1771a036a86675380a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.208.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:23 +0000 (UTC) on 2/23/06 11:32 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill at rs@moinlabs.de wrote: ... And vs the Line6 or the Kaoss, it's analogue, which might be of > importance to some ideologically challenged people. > Rainer HEY! I resemble that remark... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Feb 23 21:59:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E25B3C040; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: RE: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:59:17 +0100 Message-ID: <011701c638c4$67820ec0$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060223184426.32328.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:59:30 +0000 (UTC) marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com her works at www.transformlearning.com and writes for www.furthernoise.org. Nikolas Courtney's website is at markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com > My issue with Electrix is they take up a lot of space > in a rack for what they do. Yeah... I agree with that... In fact Im fed up with my filter factory... Anyone wanna buy it? marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com her works at www.transformlearning.com and writes for www.furthernoise.org. Nikolas Courtney's website is at markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 15329 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 00:06:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7166E3C041; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <011701c638c4$67820ec0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <011701c638c4$67820ec0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B5F575A-C5CC-47C0-A7D5-7B868627C390@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:06:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:06:41 +0000 (UTC) does the kaoss pad lock to midi clock? On Feb 23, 2006, at 4:59 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com her works at > www.transformlearning.com and writes for www.furthernoise.org. > Nikolas Courtney's website is at > markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com > > > >> My issue with Electrix is they take up a lot of space >> in a rack for what they do. >> > > Yeah... I agree with that... In fact Im fed up with my filter > factory... Anyone wanna buy it? > > > > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com her works at > www.transformlearning.com and writes for www.furthernoise.org. Nikolas > Courtney's website is at markandhildesbaby.blogspot.com > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has > removed 15329 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this > message > in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! > > > ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 02:34:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AB593C038; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:34:17 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c638ea$cfd9ad90$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3B5F575A-C5CC-47C0-A7D5-7B868627C390@fuse.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY41jIFz4REdaeCS3WdRBI6CN71jQAFIPzg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:34:24 +0000 (UTC) The KP-1: no The KP-2 has some algorithms that do. A big improvement. > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net]=20 > Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Februar 2006 01:06 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter=20 >=20 > does the kaoss pad lock to midi clock? >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 02:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787B23C03F; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,142,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="16560814:sNHT26846506" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <20060223174356.17351.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--767408162 Message-Id: <30b496156012aeb9ca268722808c5273@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Looping in GP Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:35:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:35:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--767408162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well, well ,well, As someone else here mentioned a few days ago there is indeed a decent little article on looping in the April '06 guitar player -- one that treats it like a legitimate musical technique and not a gimmick or a trick of some sort. Nice! Kudus to all of the LD members (past and present) who got their names mentioned in it. Some of my very favorite people. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1--767408162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, well ,well, As someone else here mentioned a few days ago there is indeed a decent little article on looping in the April '06 guitar player -- one that treats it like a legitimate musical technique and not a gimmick or a trick of some sort. Nice! Kudus to all of the LD members (past and present) who got their=20 names mentioned in it. Some of my very favorite people. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1--767408162-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 02:53:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D83F3C03B; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <30b496156012aeb9ca268722808c5273@charter.net> References: <20060223174356.17351.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <30b496156012aeb9ca268722808c5273@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--766542280 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: [SPAM:##] Re: Looping in GP Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:50:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2JO7CD.A.mHD.UUn_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:53:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--766542280 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 23, 2006, at 8:35 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Well, well ,well, > > As someone else here mentioned a few days ago there is indeed > a decent little article on looping in the April '06 guitar player Sorry about that. I wasn't sure if someone else had mentioned it. I =20 get 300 or more emails a day, so it's hard to keep everything straight. Jeff= --Apple-Mail-12--766542280 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Feb 23, 2006, = at 8:35 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote:

Well, well ,well,
As someone else here = mentioned a few days ago there is indeed
a decent little article on looping in the April '06 = guitar player=A0

Sorry about = that. I wasn't sure if someone else had mentioned it. I get 300 or more = emails a day, so it's hard to keep everything straight.

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-12--766542280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 03:51:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF36B3C02B; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H53LFI4XleYtw5laJ8EApZGbE+FlQdHWlOfXO1VtlzdVpNXzdNftKF8KNblKZtOJE0QzfL3v5uN09Q4t1Zj0sRldbc4BTWJb53U81rMRXxxn9PAqv2vV8m2Tni91CcOX4UnTCqqNEJSfI4SQzRIJMac8QHzU6ilY8yNX+DbHwlA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0602231951u3f9e3791lbada4c70ca251b61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:51:55 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060223192053.02da19a0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060223185955.181833C043@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060223192053.02da19a0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <1-HdKD.A.UUF.dLo_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:51:57 +0000 (UTC) On 2/23/06, a k butler wrote: > At 18:59 23/02/06, you wrote: > >I use the iRiver IFP-795, and I'm very happy with it. I notice that > >the iRiver store has the ifp-780 for $59.95 now: > >https://secure11.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=3Diriver= &BusType=3DBtoC&Count1=3D253841578&Count2=3D170982003 > >so it's not a big risk. (The iRiver IFP models are the only mp3 > >players that I'm aware of that will power a condesor microphone. > > are you sure that doesn't just mean that it provides a couple of > Volts to power an electret condenser? Yes, it has about 2 volts or so, a little more than the 1.5 volts that most minidisc recorders have. It's a good replacement for a minidisc. At $60, that's not bad. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 03:55:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E11E3C045; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060223113307.16446.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:55:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 03:55:47.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[31DDFD60:01C638F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:55:49 +0000 (UTC)

They are both very cool.  The Kaoss is more versatile but the filter on the Electrix is way stronger.  Electix is analog and you can push into self oscilation.  The Kaoss does all kinds of things.  I recommend going to the Korg site and watching the demo.

Rob Cathcart

From:  rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  kaos-pad v.s electrix filter
Date:  Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:33:07 +0100 (CET)

Hi !
  
 
  
Have anyone comments on the use of kaos-pad (korg) and electrix filter, for altering loops ?
  
 
  
Rune F, Norway 

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 04:09:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEDFB3C04D; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d801c638f8$185757e0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060223174356.17351.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <30b496156012aeb9ca268722808c5273@charter.net> Subject: Re: Looping in GP Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:09:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 145, in=90893, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Can someone scan the text of the article in and share? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: tEd ® kiLLiAn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Looping in GP Well, well ,well, As someone else here mentioned a few days ago there is indeed a decent little article on looping in the April '06 guitar player -- one that treats it like a legitimate musical technique and not a gimmick or a trick of some sort. Nice! Kudus to all of the LD members (past and present) who got their names mentioned in it. Some of my very favorite people. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 05:16:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3887F3C036; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ejjtk9SJ6WhQdYN6FnnkpahyluJFza47kZMdpnh57Vd0doIyQHUZRnqNGKUTRRqtY2asPpg0O0ht1PPjez6HkU4+TQn4m0Y1LxlrYrfDNldgVc3dsjdw/5BW60SiSWS/jNKO8gov4sRXrSeGuSRR6k4kzJMzBcpWgA85U3TPpTU= ; Message-ID: <20060224051643.67899.qmail@web52011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Rafko M Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17821936.1140719757873.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1799903496-1140758203=:66945" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:16:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1799903496-1140758203=:66945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many thanks to all of you who replied. There are so many great ideas here. As Tim already said, enough to keep one busy for a long long time. Rale mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: NICE WORK, BROTHER! YOU'VE GIVEN A YEAR'S WORTH OF IDEAS AND EXPERIMENTS...IT'LL KEEP ME BUSY FOR SURE. YOURS IN TONE, TIM WWW.MYSPACE/TIMMUNGENAST -----Original Message----- >From: "loop.pool" >Sent: Feb 23, 2006 6:15 AM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , Mr Dick >Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar > >I am not a conventional electric guitarist but I own two strats and two >mini toy electric guitars (that are nonetheless playable) and I mostly play >these instruments as 'found objects'. > >I come from a percussion/drumset tradition originally with a heavy emphasis >on world rhythms, >odd times and polyrhtyms so I exploit electric (and acoustic) instruments a >lot for rhythm looping >effects. > >I agree with Max about not trying to get a drum set out of the electric or >acoustic (although if you think of the >sounds as being part of an analogue drum machine the comparison is a bit >more accurate). > >An important thing to remember is that a drumset exploits hi sounds, >midrange sounds (which tend to have >longer envelopes) and bass sounds. > >If you think of the guitar as a percussion instrument, the important thing >to remember is that most great >and complex percussion instruments have at least two ranges of sound: lo >and hi, if not three ranges of >sound, like a drumset-----lo, midrange and hi. > >remember that even if you dont' have a cheap harmonizer that you can use >rapid tonal control >by either rolling off hi end and rolling on bass frequencies or even rolling >off all hi and lo frequencies and maximizing >midrange frequencies (telephone effect) to radically change the sound of >your electric guitar percussion ensemple. > >Even a good wah wah pedal can be utilized to change or sweep the frequency >characteristics of a your percussion noises. > >Speaking of cheap harmonizer pedals. The cheapest ones I've found are in >the $200 range: >the Digitech Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 each have a >footpedal sweepable >harmonizer in them (with pretty low fidelity-------though I like them, >myself). > > >**************************** >and a quick mention about beaters on strings: > >Whenever I go touring I always take a couple of packets of those cheap blue >swizzle Tiki head plastic swizzle sticks that they sell >(10 or so to a package). > >They are amazing because they act exactly like a hammer dulcimer >hammer.........in other words if you hold at the small end and just >let the Tiki head fall on the string it will bounce rapidly like a hammer >dulcimer or a kanun. > >Additionally, I use the back flat side of the plastic Tiki head as a slide, >so that stick can be switched rapidly changing from a >sticking instrument to a slide instrument. > >If you are using two of these up hi near the bridge you can avail yourself >of the closeness of the harmonics and switch one of the sticks to become a >mini slide while the other one keeps hammering. > >Speaking of that devil, Hammer Dulcimer hammers are incredible on >guitars.......they are designed to have rapid multiple bounces which is >amazing for rapid rhythmic work. > >While we are on the subject, another wonderful aleatory rhtyhmic device >that I've used (and was inspired by Michael Haumesser who I believe was >inspired orignally by Fred Frith) is to take those metal chinese balls that >are used for hand exercises and roll >them down the strings. > >Many sounds like snare drums, have a longer envelope (especially when a >reverb or gated reverb is added). If you are using >an Echoplex in INS = SUB mode and OVERDUB = SUS mode, you can roll the >large balls down the strings (really cool if you've already prepared the >strings nearest the bridge with things like forks, knives, alligator clips, >et. al.) and then hold down >the INSert or the OVERDUB buttons down just when you want your sound to >occur rhythmically. > >You can get really unusual ersatz 'snare' drum sounds by using this >technique. > >I've seen people use very small BBs or tiny ball bearings (although this is >just a mess to clean up quickly on stage at festivals---------trust me, I"ve >tried it a couple of times) or, as I saw Fred Frith do once in Santa Cruz, >rice or other grains and just drop >them on the strings. Again, utilized with the INS = SUB and OVRDB = SUS >modes you can take a longer event and only >capture a bit of it. > >Remember too, that if you use an Echoplex, that you can use Silence as a >Replace or Substitue mode to create 'negative' rhythms. >Sometimes using INS = SUB and hitting the INS button rapidly only the >offbeats can chop up a more complex rhythm you've already >recorded with the insertion of rhytymic silence. This sounds better on >off beats rather than on beats. > >I love playing very long envelope sounds but only grabbing slight bits of >them while using INS = SUB. >Sorry to mention the EDP so much but this instrument is probably the best of >all loopers at creating rhythmic effects and slicing and dicing the loops >you make. > >I also use resampling from one looper to another in rhythmic ways which >really enhances percussive electric guitar playing (or any instrument, of >course). > >************************ >One last idea................................play the guitar percussively >with your fingers, rings, utensils, mallets (try different types to get >different timbres and different attack characteristics with one hand on your >volume knob or rocking a volume pedal with your foot. >Play this constantly and rhythmically as you play and loop. > >In Indonsesia, they have the rhythmic concept of IRAMA which means that >every note of the syncopative resolution (lowest note value in your rhythm) >is played. > >If you are playing radically different techniques almost randomly yet using >a constant on and off of volume with your volume knob or >volume floor pedal you can create this trancey technique and ever time the >volume swells up (great if it is really, really rapid) >you have a slightly different timbre from your random thwacking of the >guitar. > >***************** >Oh yeah, and Claude Voit must be sited as the person who innovatively put >piezo pickups (I think) ABOVE the nut to pick up >the non-melodic elements of knocking, rubbing, playing the strings above >the nut and other possible above the nut percussion styles. > >*************** >Gosh, I keep thinking of different things............sorry for the length of >this post: > >Super balls on the back of Acoustic Guitars can create cool whale >sounds..................they can then be dropped to create random >percussive, bouncing sounds. > >************* >Okay, I"ll shut up...............shouldn't of had that huge cup of dark >roast coffee so late in the evening..............lol. > --------------------------------- Relax. 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Many thanks to all of you who replied. There are so many great ideas here. As Tim already said, enough to keep one busy for a long long time.
 
Rale
mungenast@earthlink.net wrote:
NICE WORK, BROTHER!
YOU'VE GIVEN A YEAR'S WORTH OF IDEAS AND EXPERIMENTS...IT'LL KEEP ME BUSY FOR SURE.
YOURS IN TONE,
TIM
WWW.MYSPACE/TIMMUNGENAST


-----Original Message-----
>From: "loop.pool"
>Sent: Feb 23, 2006 6:15 AM
>To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"
>Cc: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , Mr Dick
>Subject: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar
>
>I am not a conventional electric guitarist but I own two strats and two
>mini toy electric guitars (that are nonetheless playable) and I mostly play
>these instruments as 'found objects'.
>
>I come from a percussion/drumset tradition originally with a heavy emphasis
>on world rhythms,
>odd times and polyrhtyms so I exploit electric (and acoustic) instruments a
>lot for rhythm looping
>effects.
>
>I agree with Max about not trying to get a drum set out of the electric or
>acoustic (although if you think of the
>sounds as being part of an analogue drum machine the comparison is a bit
>more accurate).
>
>An important thing to remember is that a drumset exploits hi sounds,
>midrange sounds (which tend to have
>longer envelopes) and bass sounds.
>
>If you think of the guitar as a percussion instrument, the important thing
>to remember is that most great
>and complex percussion instruments have at least two ranges of sound: lo
>and hi, if not three ranges of
>sound, like a drumset-----lo, midrange and hi.
>
>remember that even if you dont' have a cheap harmonizer that you can use
>rapid tonal control
>by either rolling off hi end and rolling on bass frequencies or even rolling
>off all hi and lo frequencies and maximizing
>midrange frequencies (telephone effect) to radically change the sound of
>your electric guitar percussion ensemple.
>
>Even a good wah wah pedal can be utilized to change or sweep the frequency
>characteristics of a your percussion noises.
>
>Speaking of cheap harmonizer pedals. The cheapest ones I've found are in
>the $200 range:
>the Digitech Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 each have a
>footpedal sweepable
>harmonizer in them (with pretty low fidelity-------though I like them,
>myself).
>
>
>****************************
>and a quick mention about beaters on strings:
>
>Whenever I go touring I always take a couple of packets of those cheap blue
>swizzle Tiki head plastic swizzle sticks that they sell
>(10 or so to a package).
>
>They are amazing because they act exactly like a hammer dulcimer
>hammer.........in other words if you hold at the small end and just
>let the Tiki head fall on the string it will bounce rapidly like a hammer
>dulcimer or a kanun.
>
>Additionally, I use the back flat side of the plastic Tiki head as a slide,
>so that stick can be switched rapidly changing from a
>sticking instrument to a slide instrument.
>
>If you are using two of these up hi near the bridge you can avail yourself
>of the closeness of the harmonics and switch one of the sticks to become a
>mini slide while the other one keeps hammering.
>
>Speaking of that devil, Hammer Dulcimer hammers are incredible on
>guitars.......they are designed to have rapid multiple bounces which is
>amazing for rapid rhythmic work.
>
>While we are on the subject, another wonderful aleatory rhtyhmic device
>that I've used (and was inspired by Michael Haumesser who I believe was
>inspired orignally by Fred Frith) is to take those metal chinese balls that
>are used for hand exercises and roll
>them down the strings.
>
>Many sounds like snare drums, have a longer envelope (especially when a
>reverb or gated reverb is added). If you are using
>an Echoplex in INS = SUB mode and OVERDUB = SUS mode, you can roll the
>large balls down the strings (really cool if you've already prepared the
>strings nearest the bridge with things like forks, knives, alligator clips,
>et. al.) and then hold down
>the INSert or the OVERDUB buttons down just when you want your sound to
>occur rhythmically.
>
>You can get really unusual ersatz 'snare' drum sounds by using this
>technique.
>
>I've seen people use very small BBs or tiny ball bearings (although this is
>just a mess to clean up quickly on stage at festivals---------trust me, I"ve
>tried it a couple of times) or, as I saw Fred Frith do once in Santa Cruz,
>rice or other grains and just drop
>them on the strings. Again, utilized with the INS = SUB and OVRDB = SUS
>modes you can take a longer event and only
>capture a bit of it.
>
>Remember too, that if you use an Echoplex, that you can use Silence as a
>Replace or Substitue mode to create 'negative' rhythms.
>Sometimes using INS = SUB and hitting the INS button rapidly only the
>offbeats can chop up a more complex rhythm you've already
>recorded with the insertion of rhytymic silence. This sounds better on
>off beats rather than on beats.
>
>I love playing very long envelope sounds but only grabbing slight bits of
>them while using INS = SUB.
>Sorry to mention the EDP so much but this instrument is probably the best of
>all loopers at creating rhythmic effects and slicing and dicing the loops
>you make.
>
>I also use resampling from one looper to another in rhythmic ways which
>really enhances percussive electric guitar playing (or any instrument, of
>course).
>
>************************
>One last idea................................play the guitar percussively
>with your fingers, rings, utensils, mallets (try different types to get
>different timbres and different attack characteristics with one hand on your
>volume knob or rocking a volume pedal with your foot.
>Play this constantly and rhythmically as you play and loop.
>
>In Indonsesia, they have the rhythmic concept of IRAMA which means that
>every note of the syncopative resolution (lowest note value in your rhythm)
>is played.
>
>If you are playing radically different techniques almost randomly yet using
>a constant on and off of volume with your volume knob or
>volume floor pedal you can create this trancey technique and ever time the
>volume swells up (great if it is really, really rapid)
>you have a slightly different timbre from your random thwacking of the
>guitar.
>
>*****************
>Oh yeah, and Claude Voit must be sited as the person who innovatively put
>piezo pickups (I think) ABOVE the nut to pick up
>the non-melodic elements of knocking, rubbing, playing the strings above
>the nut and other possible above the nut percussion styles.
>
>***************
>Gosh, I keep thinking of different things............sorry for the length of
>this post:
>
>Super balls on the back of Acoustic Guitars can create cool whale
>sounds..................they can then be dropped to create random
>percussive, bouncing sounds.
>
>*************
>Okay, I"ll shut up...............shouldn't of had that huge cup of dark
>roast coffee so late in the evening..............lol.
>


Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --0-1799903496-1140758203=:66945-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 06:33:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A842D3C04E; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QmRLpPazNfERzFLASzT1WfD70t/WkRMKlDzTOowsWkSrSFJLsU5yA8mnVSdE2xV6E5QJ3UJxGwXrTYlZHTy9LfcmB25shvtshRoRk6VbxSNJVFeDfqkyOjBybE3fty5qEYvAwFgnyiSqvFoORgUf0Ru3CYAUjqcfbdqLfkdfwYM= Message-ID: <64b81a780602232233y1bfd7442y843f29fed99fdb36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:33:15 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in GP In-Reply-To: <03d801c638f8$185757e0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060223174356.17351.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <30b496156012aeb9ca268722808c5273@charter.net> <03d801c638f8$185757e0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:33:22 +0000 (UTC) If you wait a bit, I'm sure it'll be available on their website. I think the website is a month behind the printed page. Keep an eye on . Todd On 2/23/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Can someone scan the text of the article in and share? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tEd (r) kiLLiAn > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: Looping in GP > > > Well, well ,well, > > As someone else here mentioned a few days ago there is indeed > a decent little article on looping in the April '06 guitar player -- one > that treats it like a legitimate musical technique and not a gimmick > or a trick of some sort. Nice! > > Kudus to all of the LD members (past and present) who got their > names mentioned in it. Some of my very favorite people. > > Cheers, > > tEd (r) kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 07:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743823C04E; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c63916$56f6b3b0$6402a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: Subject: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:45:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C638EC.6DB8C220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:45:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C638EC.6DB8C220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering if anyone is Europe who might have access to the manual = for this unit has it and can post it? Roland rediculously doesn't have = the docs up which is innane. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C638EC.6DB8C220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C638EC.6DB8C220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 09:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665093C052; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bc01c63922$8ffde410$0400a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <004601c63916$56f6b3b0$6402a8c0@DELL> Subject: Re: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <3SxKE.A.s2.z4s_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:13:23 +0000 (UTC) But is it shipping? Does anyone actually have one yet? They may have announced it, but if they haven't actualy shipped any they can and will keep changeing the spec and the documentation right up to the last minute. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Mormelo" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:45 AM Subject: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Just wondering if anyone is Europe who might have access to the manual for this unit has it and can post it? Roland rediculously doesn't have the docs up which is innane. Sean Mormelo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 16:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 706713BFF9; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WlbbVO/1/tE6EkdAGzevs4l7ve0ZLFr2sMe50Fv8e9j/IkgTuyhRq9vJplt4dviYwQk948XyJs8+LB1ge9NLlZ+njgsqmaP7jmwPFSOikzZJSL7SslKNP7BXhnSgGgoRYDgYHECw9inWt6E7njQ4KhpLEtw1+3iBJi57Hur55aU= ; Message-ID: <20060224160041.84202.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:00:41 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: percussive sounds on elec. gtr / kaoss pad vs. electrix filter To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060223142946.F06113C038@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-50898301-1140796841=:78896" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-50898301-1140796841=:78896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit percussive sounds: i was listening to 2 of my eugene chadbourne cds yesterday, one of them, his 1st solo gtr album from mid 70's has loads and loads of examples of prepared guitar and examples of very percussive sounds. it sounds like he is beating the guitar to death. so some good listening examles. i would say the recording quality is not great, and it is actually at times very hard to listen to (definately not easy acoustic listening), but it is a good example of some very free playing (to my ear sounds like a combo of influences of cage and d. bailey)... it definately sounds like he approaches the guitar very differently than most.... kaoss pad (v1) vs. electrix filter: i had the 1st version of the kaoss pad and it was very good at getting some wacky sounds, and the touch screen was an interesting way of manipulating the effects (hard to play gtr and manipulate at times though), i had a used one, and the presets that did samples, a couple did not work, but i was able to use it as a looper (no overdub, just 5 sec samples i think). i had read that some had reliability issues, and i could see that w/ time, etc...one thing w/ the electric gtr is that the ins/outs were rca's, which in my setup were a bit noisy, but when i used it, i went very minimal...but got some good results w/ it...the v.2 looked to be a much sturdier model and had more sample time i believe.... as compared to the electrix filter, i can't really say, i remember watching the original web videos of the filter in action and i remember thinking that the filter sounds were the fattest (phattest?) i'd ever heard, and when they used an old casio sk1 w/ it and made it sound real cool, i was hooked and wanted one, but alas, never got one. to my ear, the devices that offer filter that i've used -korg kaoss v1, alesis ineko, digitech synthwah- offer some nice filtering options, but have never sounded like the filters on the electrix model. and it should be noted that i watched the electrix web thing on a mac computer from a few yrs ago, not the greatest speakers..... my 2 cents for today....s--- --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? 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percussive sounds:
i was listening to 2 of my eugene chadbourne cds yesterday, one of them, his
1st solo gtr album from mid 70's has loads and loads of examples of prepared guitar
and examples of very percussive sounds.
it sounds like he is beating the guitar to death. so some good listening examles.
i would say the recording quality is not great, and it is actually at times very hard
to listen to (definately not easy acoustic listening), but it is a good example of some
very free playing (to my ear sounds like a combo of influences of cage and d. bailey)...
it definately sounds like he approaches  the guitar very differently than most....
 
kaoss pad (v1) vs. electrix filter:
i had the 1st version of the kaoss pad and it was very good at getting some wacky sounds, and the touch screen was an interesting way of manipulating the effects (hard to play gtr and manipulate at times though), i had a used one, and the presets that did samples, a couple did not work, but i was able to use it as a looper (no overdub, just 5 sec samples i think). i had read that some had reliability issues, and i could see that w/ time, etc...one thing w/ the electric gtr is that the ins/outs were rca's, which in my setup were a bit noisy, but when i used it, i went very minimal...but got some good results w/ it...the v.2 looked to be a much sturdier model and had more sample time i believe....
as compared to the electrix filter, i can't really say, i remember watching the original web videos of the filter in action and i remember thinking that the filter sounds were the fattest (phattest?) i'd ever heard, and when they used an old casio sk1 w/ it and made it sound real cool, i was hooked and wanted one, but alas, never got one. to my ear, the devices that offer filter that i've used -korg kaoss v1, alesis ineko, digitech synthwah- offer some nice filtering options, but have never sounded like the filters on the electrix model. and it should be noted that i watched the electrix web thing on a mac computer from a few yrs ago, not the greatest speakers.....
my 2 cents for today....s---


What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos --0-50898301-1140796841=:78896-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 16:11:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE2463C014; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00bc01c63922$8ffde410$0400a8c0@STUDY> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:11:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 16:11:29.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8A03060:01C6395C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:11:32 +0000 (UTC) >But is it shipping? Does anyone actually have one yet? not due in the UK until April, apparently... sim www.simeonharris.co.uk - vist me and buy my cds! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 16:39:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15BA13C00F; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003401c63960$e8bea650$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: Subject: Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter - and repeater Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:39:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C63969.49F8CFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 16:39:17.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA929140:01C63960] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:39:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C63969.49F8CFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love what Kaoss Pad does ! It has a lot of usefull effects, and even if I don't have (necver tried) = an Electrix filter, I think that the touch-screen render it more = versatile and usefull. It has midi, so you can easily synch it to other devices sending midi = clock. Also, it can works such as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command at = a time), but I didn't try this feature, yet. I've read a lot about the electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy one = (...when Electrix will decide to sell the new products...), because, in = my repeater's configuration, I want to use different effects in = different (looping) tracks. ...This is a feature that looperlative don't has: the possibility to = address=20 every single track from the Repeater to a specific channel mixer. Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C63969.49F8CFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I love what  Kaoss = Pad does=20 !
It has a lot of usefull = effects,=20 and even if I don't have (necver tried) an Electrix filter, I think = that =20 the touch-screen render it more versatile and = usefull.
It has midi, so = you can easily=20 synch it to other devices sending midi clock.
Also, it can = works such=20 as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command at a time), but I = didn't try=20 this feature, yet.
 
I've read a lot about = the electrix=20 filter, and I'm thinking to buy one (...when Electrix will decide to = sell the=20 new products...), because, in my repeater's configuration, I want = to use=20 different effects in different (looping) tracks.
 
...This is a feature = that=20 looperlative don't has: the possibility to address
every single track from = the=20 Repeater to a specific channel mixer.
 
Fabio
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C63969.49F8CFB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 16:48:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4C73C02E; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HXyNv9sRoCVZISiey5vxwxhg7LiUefxSNHozzBkacPMd900iAM5nueZ7rW1Vj97K4vVU83yb15C6/3iYp403kicbfe4Fl6vhuYoIBY0czuQGpfI23zJ4STSpR/th9W7pH5nQtm/QbfD+Ve/wA7Yk1C4gtWYodNvaVZCBhs//wyY= ; Message-ID: <20060224164838.65564.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:48:38 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter - and repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003401c63960$e8bea650$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-448813462-1140799718=:57366" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2CBGOD.A.TQB.ojz_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:48:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-448813462-1140799718=:57366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Thanks, this was interesting news. So you to are a repeater-looper ! Do you have any other tips and tricks, regarding gear and the use of repeater ? Rune f Fabio Anile skrev: I love what Kaoss Pad does ! It has a lot of usefull effects, and even if I don't have (necver tried) an Electrix filter, I think that the touch-screen render it more versatile and usefull. It has midi, so you can easily synch it to other devices sending midi clock. Also, it can works such as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command at a time), but I didn't try this feature, yet. I've read a lot about the electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy one (...when Electrix will decide to sell the new products...), because, in my repeater's configuration, I want to use different effects in different (looping) tracks. ...This is a feature that looperlative don't has: the possibility to address every single track from the Repeater to a specific channel mixer. Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl --0-448813462-1140799718=:57366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Thanks, this was interesting news. So you to are a repeater-looper ! Do you have any other tips and tricks, regarding gear and the use of repeater ?
 
Rune f       

Fabio Anile <fabio.anile@tiscali.it> skrev:
I love what  Kaoss Pad does !
It has a lot of usefull effects, and even if I don't have (necver tried) an Electrix filter, I think that  the touch-screen render it more versatile and usefull.
It has midi, so you can easily synch it to other devices sending midi clock.
Also, it can works such as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command at a time), but I didn't try this feature, yet.
 
I've read a lot about the electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy one (...when Electrix will decide to sell the new products...), because, in my repeater's configuration, I want to use different effects in different (looping) tracks.
 
...This is a feature that looperlative don't has: the possibility to address
every single track from the Repeater to a specific channel mixer.
 
Fabio

--0-448813462-1140799718=:57366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 17:18:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9723BFFA; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006c01c63966$56dfc1f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20060224164838.65564.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter - and repeater Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:18:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C6396E.B86AF180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 17:18:10.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[493782E0:01C63966] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:18:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C6396E.B86AF180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another feature I like is the "slip function" (another feature that = looperlative doesn't has, if I've correctly understand). Record a stero part, then breake the stereo immagine and slip one of the = 2 track you've recorded. Sometimes I try to get in the Steve Reich style: I record a rithmic part = in stereo (tr. 1 and 2), then I select just track 2 and, from here, I = start to play with the slip function, till I reach the rithmic result = i'm looking for....the overdub, etc.... If are a new repeater user I raccomend to buy an FCB1010 to have a full = control over "all" its midi command. ...Ther's a list somewhere on the net about tips and tricks using the = repeater,=20 but I've lost the link. Try a search Have fun ! Fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter - and repeater Hi ! Thanks, this was interesting news. So you to are a repeater-looper ! = Do you have any other tips and tricks, regarding gear and the use of = repeater ? Rune f =20 Fabio Anile skrev: I love what Kaoss Pad does ! It has a lot of usefull effects, and even if I don't have (necver = tried) an Electrix filter, I think that the touch-screen render it more = versatile and usefull. It has midi, so you can easily synch it to other devices sending = midi clock. Also, it can works such as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command = at a time), but I didn't try this feature, yet. I've read a lot about the electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy = one (...when Electrix will decide to sell the new products...), because, = in my repeater's configuration, I want to use different effects in = different (looping) tracks. ...This is a feature that looperlative don't has: the possibility to = address=20 every single track from the Repeater to a specific channel mixer. Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ = http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C6396E.B86AF180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another feature I like = is the "slip=20 function" (another feature that looperlative doesn't has, if I've = correctly=20 understand).
Record a stero part, = then breake=20 the stereo immagine and slip one of the 2 track you've = recorded.
Sometimes I try to get = in the Steve=20 Reich style: I record a rithmic part in stereo (tr. 1 and 2), then I = select just=20 track 2 and, from here, I start to play with the slip function, till I = reach the=20 rithmic result i'm looking for....the overdub, etc....
If are a new repeater = user I=20 raccomend to buy an FCB1010 to have a full control over "all" its midi=20 command.
 
...Ther's a list = somewhere on the=20 net about tips and tricks using the repeater,
but I've lost = the link. Try a=20 search
Have fun !
Fabio
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 = 5:48=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s = electrix=20 filter - and repeater

Hi !
 
Thanks, this was interesting news. So you to are a = repeater-looper !=20 Do you have any other tips and tricks, regarding gear and the use of = repeater=20 ?
 
Rune = f       

Fabio Anile=20 <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>= =20 skrev:
I love what =  Kaoss Pad=20 does !
It has a lot of = usefull=20 effects, and even if I don't have (necver tried) an Electrix filter, = I think=20 that  the touch-screen render it more versatile and=20 usefull.
It has midi, = so you can=20 easily synch it to other devices sending midi clock.
Also, it can = works such=20 as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command at a time), but I = didn't=20 try this feature, yet.
 
I've read a lot = about the=20 electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy one (...when Electrix will = decide=20 to sell the new products...), because, in my repeater's=20 configuration, I want to use different effects in = different=20 (looping) tracks.
 
...This is a = feature that=20 looperlative don't has: the possibility to address
every single track = from the=20 Repeater to a specific channel mixer.
 
Fabio
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 

------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C6396E.B86AF180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 17:24:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAF9E3BFFD; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bd01c63967$1a1905a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20060224164838.65564.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter - and repeater Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:24:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6396F.7BB4FE10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 17:23:36.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BA9CD10:01C63967] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:24:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6396F.7BB4FE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ops, here's the link:=20 http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi?CookBook ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s electrix filter - and repeater Hi ! Thanks, this was interesting news. So you to are a repeater-looper ! = Do you have any other tips and tricks, regarding gear and the use of = repeater ? Rune f =20 Fabio Anile skrev: I love what Kaoss Pad does ! It has a lot of usefull effects, and even if I don't have (necver = tried) an Electrix filter, I think that the touch-screen render it more = versatile and usefull. It has midi, so you can easily synch it to other devices sending = midi clock. Also, it can works such as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command = at a time), but I didn't try this feature, yet. I've read a lot about the electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy = one (...when Electrix will decide to sell the new products...), because, = in my repeater's configuration, I want to use different effects in = different (looping) tracks. ...This is a feature that looperlative don't has: the possibility to = address=20 every single track from the Repeater to a specific channel mixer. Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ = http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6396F.7BB4FE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ops, here's the link: =
http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi?CookBook
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 = 5:48=20 PM
Subject: Vedr. Re: kaos-pad v.s = electrix=20 filter - and repeater

Hi !
 
Thanks, this was interesting news. So you to are a = repeater-looper !=20 Do you have any other tips and tricks, regarding gear and the use of = repeater=20 ?
 
Rune = f       

Fabio Anile=20 <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>= =20 skrev:
I love what =  Kaoss Pad=20 does !
It has a lot of = usefull=20 effects, and even if I don't have (necver tried) an Electrix filter, = I think=20 that  the touch-screen render it more versatile and=20 usefull.
It has midi, = so you can=20 easily synch it to other devices sending midi clock.
Also, it can = works such=20 as a midi controller (sending 6 midi command at a time), but I = didn't=20 try this feature, yet.
 
I've read a lot = about the=20 electrix filter, and I'm thinking to buy one (...when Electrix will = decide=20 to sell the new products...), because, in my repeater's=20 configuration, I want to use different effects in = different=20 (looping) tracks.
 
...This is a = feature that=20 looperlative don't has: the possibility to address
every single track = from the=20 Repeater to a specific channel mixer.
 
Fabio
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 

------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6396F.7BB4FE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 19:04:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ABF33BFF3; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LEDHaxRpgwIK070Ca6sOTkiNHaEs2Q5u9dK9Tpka6s3PjSF6YD/TV1KIdVoQJ/wBQpI1tj0pr+wBaqJbPEnBnd8ZiBzEpQQ8A7vohCl2x4tckav7C2ez6SWSeSEhiK/JQJEEjcrpJ/EYT+4Kqhv4BXtQVT3CvrMXB0LdGGxljyI= Message-ID: <6df9336a0602241104t5dd060djd2750a3ae1772be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:04:51 -0700 From: skincage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:04:54 +0000 (UTC) i have no idea how to play a guitar properly but this thread inspred me to mess around on my friend's electric. i discovered something and i don't think anyone suggested it yet. try putting a flat, fairly wide piece of metal right on a pickup. in my case i used a piece of hacksaw blade. it should stick to the magnets. now you can hit it or pull it up so it thwacks back down, or you can move it around for some weird squeaks and bassy scratch noises. sounded really good though a zoom505 on some patch with a lot of chorus and slight delay. also if you have an automatic modulation effect that makes for instant cheesy electronic drum sounds. jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 19:09:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E8AC3BFFD; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6df9336a0602241104t5dd060djd2750a3ae1772be@mail.gmail.com> References: <6df9336a0602241104t5dd060djd2750a3ae1772be@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:09:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Threading a garbage bag twist tie through the strings near the bridge makes a convincing steel drum sound. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Feb 24, 2006, at 1:04 PM, skincage wrote: > i have no idea how to play a guitar properly but this thread inspred > me to mess around on my friend's electric. i discovered something and > i don't think anyone suggested it yet. try putting a flat, fairly wide > piece of metal right on a pickup. in my case i used a piece of hacksaw > blade. it should stick to the magnets. now you can hit it or pull it > up so it thwacks back down, or you can move it around for some weird > squeaks and bassy scratch noises. sounded really good though a zoom505 > on some patch with a lot of chorus and slight delay. also if you have > an automatic modulation effect that makes for instant cheesy > electronic drum sounds. > > jon/skincage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 20:01:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BFC43BF10; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nTJxEb0mooYNMY1Hd2t9+LqyHacgWM/4n0UiANf3tbIKTJNsRmHqYyG5EkHa+/GphXetyszid92OL9wC/46zyhGVxIkhc9iUjsvaJVKaxbvKcZdUYWDFL5Sk4u0KC57zGCAHYhiQOcM6+2ny7pwMtjL2Xbb7x0KWcNFwi5rSiPM= Message-ID: <987297100602241201p3daf1e9ue5ea9e89a2163034@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:01:17 -0800 From: "venkateshwara swami" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mp3 encoder - ISO code problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5239_19630567.1140811277767" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5239_19630567.1140811277767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I am a student doing my masters and as my thesis project taken up MP3 Encoder porting and optimization on TI platform. I am trying to use 8Hz-mp3 (release 0.2b) ISO reference code ( Downloaded the same from : mp3-tech.org-> Programmer's corner -> Encoding engines source codes)=20 to compile and execute the same. BUT with a bit rate of 128Kbps I am getting memory exception error and crashes. While it works for all other bit rates and I a= m able to get encoded mp3 frame ( BUT there some beginning frames are missed out). Please let me know and help me out in this issue. So that atleast I can have a ISO baseline code working properly. Thanks in advance, swami ------=_Part_5239_19630567.1140811277767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello,

  I am a student doing my masters and as my thesis project taken up MP3 Encoder porting and optimization on TI platform. I am trying to use 8Hz-mp3 (release 0.2b) ISO reference code ( Downloaded the same from : mp3-tech.org = -> Programmer's corner -> Encoding engines source codes)  to compile and execute the same. BUT with a bit rate of 128Kbps I am getting memory exception error and crashes. While it works for all other bit rates and I am able to get encoded mp3 frame ( BUT there some beginning frames are missed out). 

 Please let me know and help me out in this issue. So that atleast I c= an have a ISO baseline code working properly.

Thanks in advance,
swami ------=_Part_5239_19630567.1140811277767-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 20:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCD573BF16; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eirBPQ4pl113tzMgpyDVaaRCQNLMedN8Sr1hqEMCL8L2RVNorkLO23+6hZF1WNJ4ZJkcrgTQulEAd7fjvVRDewNyDZtFt41dPkMUjl+K2ud2H5D6UweRp2nW2UMtvxXK3Ooqyp8wN2ywB1Vp0saquGCiFpit8LF6h3veimiEjNk= Message-ID: <987297100602241202o3292a483p66c9817262a892ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:02:15 -0800 From: "venkateshwara swami" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lossy output mp3 encoded stream - reference ISO code used MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5255_33401628.1140811335097" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:02:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5255_33401628.1140811335097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I even tried using * ISO mp3 sources (distribution 10) : * ( Downloaded the same from : mp3-tech.org -> Programmer's corner -> Encoding engines source codes) to compile and execute the same. It works with all the bit rates no crashes appearing. BUT the output encoded mp3 fil= e is nossy. Let me know if there is any fix to this problem Thanks, swami ------=_Part_5255_33401628.1140811335097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I even tried using ISO mp3 sources (distribution 10) : ( Downloaded the = same from : mp3-tech.org -> Programmer's corner -> Encoding engines source codes)  to compile and execute the same. It works with all the bit rates no crashes appearing. BUT the output encoded mp3 file is nossy. Let me know if there is any fix to this problem

Thanks,
swami ------=_Part_5255_33401628.1140811335097-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Feb 24 21:12:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92FA53BFE3; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tmku/snpWXPXHx+H1sfvryg3gx/Qgum1Gy1j0ro/qLhfqFO7JyG8FHIvHTXv3f4ukABuak8i4h1FDx3YOH2RWAayD56ittugKYdt1vQfxvBLfUODJ7554XrqVUNgKY2JeJ4KrHgoTQz54KLWk3z0/TloLmdtLMc/DNMDAlCZmgM= Message-ID: <26ba8d120602241311q2256e89xcc5ccfa6539779c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:11:59 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lossy output mp3 encoded stream - reference ISO code used In-Reply-To: <987297100602241202o3292a483p66c9817262a892ee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_561_1897812.1140815519102" References: <987297100602241202o3292a483p66c9817262a892ee@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:12:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_561_1897812.1140815519102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Um -- I don't think you're on the right mailing list -- this is a musician'= s mailing list! There are some programmers here but you are really asking fo= r something very specific and technical. I'd look for some DSP users mailing list, perhaps a Texas Instrument DSP mailing list. On 2/24/06, venkateshwara swami wrote: > > I even tried using * ISO mp3 sources (distribution 10) : > * ( Downloaded the same from : mp3-tech.org -> Programmer's corner -> > Encoding engines source codes) to compile and execute the same. It works > with all the bit rates no crashes appearing. BUT the output encoded mp3 f= ile > is nossy. Let me know if there is any fix to this problem > > Thanks, > swami > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://loopny.com ......... live looping on March 11 ------=_Part_561_1897812.1140815519102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Um -- I don't think you're on the right mailing list -- this is a musician'= s mailing list!  There are some programmers here but you are really as= king for something very specific and technical.  I'd look for some DSP= users mailing list, perhaps a Texas Instrument DSP mailing list.

On 2/24/06, venkateshwara swami <swami.venkateshwara@gmail.com> wrote:
I even tried using ISO mp3 sources (distribution 10) : ( Downloaded the = same from : mp3-tech.org -> Programmer's corner -> Encoding engines source codes)  to compile and execute the same. It works with all the bit rates no crashes appearing. BUT the output encoded mp3 file is nossy. Let me know if there is any fix to this problem

Thanks,
swami



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http://ax.to ... extr= eme NY arts and music calendar
http://loop= ny.com ......... live looping on March 11
------=_Part_561_1897812.1140815519102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 01:20:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB8D3BFD9; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=df+X8un5kDEiqYxX3LpXgjaJUbmXC1f9d6FSGClwsSAcCZA3g2KkJBvbcfPxK9vEISYXKvtB/25Fh5gmd3a8ZNZztZzyGwF1NEdv4+hKy9UcOJh299XD3TbpJPJUIXcAETpGQ2Yp/PpOiXxrlbzq0OTOVtCWXKvm2B07XcfIF9M= ; Message-ID: <20060225012031.12352.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Jose Gonzalez, looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120602241311q2256e89xcc5ccfa6539779c3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9NahPD.A.yDG.hD7_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:20:33 +0000 (UTC) just curious if anyone has heard of the swedish musician Jose Gonazlez. I've been listening to his album, Veneer, which is folky, kings of convenience-type "quiet is the new loud" with vocals and classical guitar. something tells me he's a looper; he has very repetitive accompaniment and i think i even hear occasional glitches like cut notes in some of the songs. there's some loose percussion here and there, supposedly played by himself. so either he has four remarkably steady hands or he loops hehe... anyone seen him live to confirm/dispute? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 02:32:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CB733BFC8; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:29:40 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Percussive Sounds on El. Guitar To: skincage , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c639b3$f8e00d00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6df9336a0602241104t5dd060djd2750a3ae1772be@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7wPgb.A.-L.KH8_DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Gotta add my two cents on all this "Hit your pickup with metal" stuff. I wouldn't do that if I were you. Firstly, tapping the polepieces directly with a hunk of metal is gonna put a surge through your output like you wouldn't believe. Speakers pop, meters dime out, preamp chips go blooey when you do this. Second, pickups have teensy tiny eeensie weensie wire in them, like fine hair. Whacking a pickup with a piece of metal make hair get split end, make pickup go blooey. And a little metal sliver can likewise ruin a pickup quick. dB, coyote (Skincage wrote: try putting a flat, fairly wide > piece of metal right on a pickup. in my case i used a piece of hacksaw > blade. it should stick to the magnets. now you can hit it or pull it > up so it thwacks back down, or you can move it around for some weird > squeaks and bassy scratch noises. ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 03:27:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC1F3BFC5; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FFqUkBt+Ut2nhQ8CkXXDmzeGjifWWh5tNdoMR27U0HPs3s4o6+XbQHe/KBkOPOpAWOf3EWlQpz+Rf52K1YkSIghJP+37UHiyaif/CQQCbXasJhS1YEVMtR98giMx6CS5uqn3U3wIY7vj9gVnCaob7fllL0QQbtmhdEpIA7w1bPY= Message-ID: <46fea78d0602241927x20ae5226w7e0355b517e1e79d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:27:56 -0800 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sound quality In-Reply-To: <00a401c63890$b7c00a60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3617_31216835.1140838076091" References: <00a401c63890$b7c00a60$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:27:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3617_31216835.1140838076091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, maybe I ought to go back in and tinker around a bit more! Thanks guys, David ------=_Part_3617_31216835.1140838076091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Well, maybe I ought to go back in and tinker around a bit more!
Thanks guys,
David
------=_Part_3617_31216835.1140838076091-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 03:55:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 033153BFC8; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:55:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 03:55:02.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[414BC7E0:01C639BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:55:05 +0000 (UTC)

Hi there,

No word on documentation but my hopes for a controllable feedback took a dive today.  I spoke to the Roland Looper Product Specialist and asked him about feedback.  He didn't even know what I was talking about.  I explained and he says he hasn't heard about anything like that and this is a "pure looper".  I mentioned the feature on the DD-20 and he said "yeah but that's a delay pedal".   I fear the worst.

I also asked about the "fade out" feature and he said it's to fade out a loop at the end of a song instead of just stopping abruptly.  I asked if the length of the fade out would be controllable and he didn't know.

He said the unit that was as NAMM is back in Japan and there are none currently in the States and that we that are surfing the internet for info probably have as much info as he does.

Very nice guy tho'.

Rob Cathcart

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 05:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682B93BFBB; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c639cd$6d13c950$6502a8c0@DELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:36:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C639A3.83CFBD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:36:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C639A3.83CFBD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh...Right on, Thanks man...I don't know if the feeback and loop fade = are such an issue for me..we'll see! Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rob cathcart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? Hi there,=20 No word on documentation but my hopes for a controllable feedback took = a dive today. I spoke to the Roland Looper Product Specialist and asked = him about feedback. He didn't even know what I was talking about. I = explained and he says he hasn't heard about anything like that and this = is a "pure looper". I mentioned the feature on the DD-20 and he said = "yeah but that's a delay pedal". I fear the worst. I also asked about the "fade out" feature and he said it's to fade out = a loop at the end of a song instead of just stopping abruptly. I asked = if the length of the fade out would be controllable and he didn't know. He said the unit that was as NAMM is back in Japan and there are none = currently in the States and that we that are surfing the internet for = info probably have as much info as he does. Very nice guy tho'. Rob Cathcart ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C639A3.83CFBD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ahh...Right on, Thanks man...I don't = know if the=20 feeback and loop fade are such an issue for me..we'll see!
 
Sean Mormelo
www.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo
EPK-=20 www.sonicbids.com/seanmorme= lo
www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo=
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 rob=20 cathcart
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 = 10:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone have any = tech docs on=20 on the RC-50 yet?

Hi there,

No word on documentation but my hopes for a controllable feedback = took a=20 dive today.  I spoke to the Roland Looper Product Specialist and = asked=20 him about feedback.  He didn't even know what I was talking = about. =20 I explained and he says he hasn't heard about anything like that and = this is a=20 "pure looper".  I mentioned the feature on the DD-20 and he said = "yeah=20 but that's a delay pedal".   I fear the worst.

I also asked about the "fade out" feature and he said it's to fade = out a=20 loop at the end of a song instead of just stopping abruptly.  I = asked if=20 the length of the fade out would be controllable and he didn't = know.

He said the unit that was as NAMM is back in Japan and there are = none=20 currently in the States and that we that are surfing the internet for = info=20 probably have as much info as he does.

Very nice guy tho'.

Rob Cathcart

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C639A3.83CFBD40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 07:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6916A3BFBB; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: MisTerGyRo@aol.com Message-ID: <1f2.1b9f4362.31315c44@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:07:48 EST Subject: Re: Jose Gonzalez, looper? To: rcw@midwickhill.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1140851268" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:07:53 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1140851268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes hes a flamer alright.............. -------------------------------1140851268 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes hes a flamer alright..............
 -------------------------------1140851268-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 08:15:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B0F3BF2A; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UsSEWBT5TW3aEAHuupY2Yr2Xd5KGq/Wy9nXQjRJ+/s0XEd2tB8H6WbXC4tGhd4izPLFG/FGD0TFS5a/geUTaePH2dCCr/oIsr8kVE6WO6qtZ7/YIYmYeIjkm+UzLdtmASNS34ZicBn29yRJ3PC+gCm8FerAsT3hn5qQHj1gCGc0= ; Message-ID: <20060225081505.43747.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re: what to use for record rehearsals and gigs ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060223192053.02da19a0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:15:08 +0000 (UTC) I have the Iriver H120 but as far as i know it doesnt power a condenser,great for recording with a normal stereo mic though! luis --- a k butler wrote: > At 18:59 23/02/06, you wrote: > >I use the iRiver IFP-795, and I'm very happy with > it. I notice that > >the iRiver store has the ifp-780 for $59.95 now: > >https://secure11.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=iriver&BusType=BtoC&Count1=253841578&Count2=170982003 > >so it's not a big risk. (The iRiver IFP models are > the only mp3 > >players that I'm aware of that will power a > condesor microphone. > > are you sure that doesn't just mean that it provides > a couple of > Volts to power an electret condenser? > > > The > >best recording quality is mp3 320kps) > > > >On 2/23/06, Kris Hartung > wrote: > > > I've been using the M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 for > a few weeks now > > > (recommended by Tom Richford). I love it. It is > ridiculously small for a > > > solid state recorder, records to wav or MP3, in > various frequencies or bit > > > rates. I has a stereo mini mic plug in, phantom > power, plus two 1/4 inch > > > balanced inputs. > > This just had a good review in Sound on Sound > magazine. > Kris, does it have SP/Dif input? The article implied > it had, but the > socket appears to be in the output section. > They also said that the phantom power was only 30V, > rather than the full 48V, > so that not all mics would work with it. > > > andy butler > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 09:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E2813BF39; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 9:03:37 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Where to buy EDP in europe X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 81.6.243.208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060225090335.764A02567CE@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone who sent me private messages about where to buy and especially those who offered me units for sale. With greatest respect to those in Europe who tried to help out, but the cheapest way to get one in the UK IS to buy it used in the US, have it shipped over and pay the import duty and VAT. Extraordinary when the thing says 'Made in the UK' on the back! Of coarse, to do this, you need to trust the seller. Thanks to Kelly Coyle for being trustworthy. OK, now what do I do with it? ;-) Nik ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 09:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9C83BF1B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:12:47 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44001F8F.6050704@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:16:51 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ The AM/FM Show is today, February 25 at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5). I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music from bands that will be playing at the New Jersey Proghouse; Mithrandir, Mahavishnu Project, IZZ, and more. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 10:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B49C3BF96; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Eric Forsmark , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kjell_Lindstr=F6m?= , Mona Gafvelin , Samuel Poromaa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Looproom podcast launched! (Tip: Roll out your own!) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:54:53 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody, I just launched my own live looping music podcast, the "Looproom". Only three episodes online so far, but the channel is established and a lot more is to come. However, I keep the profile low and only share music that I really believe someone out there may appreciate. In this I'm trusting only my own musical taste. If someone would like to check out my feed, the direct link to the Looproom podcast is http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 (I think you need the iTunes application...?) TIP: Setting up a podcast is a great tip for any productive musician! It wasn't too difficult, but my advice is to really give it a proper pilot testing before submitting it to Apple. I learned how to do it from this page: http://www.apple.com/itunes/podcasts/techspecs.html and there is also a helpful discussion board at http:// discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1107. You can publish video as well as audio. iTunes podcast store needs more loopers. Right now only my Looproom comes up if you do a search on "livelooping". I hope that will change soon ;-) I bought my first iPod last week (been too poor to buy into this exploding new thing earlier) and I must say that this has changed my life to the better. I have subscribed to many peoples music podcasts and by simply plugging the iPod into the pc while working I'm automatically receiving new music as soon as someone uploads. I also subscribe to a lot of documentary tv and radio features and I'm now thinking about wasting my telly and putting an end to that awfully expensive cable tv subscription. I've always hated having piles of vinyl and CD's around, just because I want to listen to a lot of music. Subscribing to podcasts is something I like much better. But good and unique music is still lacking out there, so please start rolling your own podcasts and fill up that empty space! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 11:14:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6A893BF35; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vb5g/iljHqyDWU5DjzgT+jgQk6kSHPrQ5Rfw38a4+WF8ZISgnAWJNwRWkzH1Hcwpxx7nK77uSwxCzHbH9hLRv5qlElLhYoyOs/gqYcCKiHGFK6NbeTBBVAOETFpMF1vbhnoSrPxszH5bd38pBt+8au7jZcT1MKaa3Vx8ct+3+hA= ; Message-ID: <20060225111412.17009.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Jose Gonzalez, looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1f2.1b9f4362.31315c44@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:13 +0000 (UTC) what do you mean by that? --- MisTerGyRo@aol.com wrote: > yes hes a flamer alright.............. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 11:33:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6493BF55; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oATr0KJPkIG0KjbULmnLIWl2HBc7u5CBTnEbMyjUfXQj7ShedhrJsaffEsdvwp9u9QkNHrsRfbKZ66qQLd2Pjln0aHqGoOr8HOBviK+WRo8JTCc8EJQKnz2yx2dIYyclaZfs2jsmDEiY7R3w3P7lSewPLHF9w7E7I8/G+c9Gif4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602250333i5c58fa7gd6851b1082467725@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:33:06 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have any tech docs on on the RC-50 yet? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:33:08 +0000 (UTC) On 2/25/06, rob cathcart wrote: > I also asked about the "fade out" feature and he said it's to fade out a > loop at the end of a song instead of just stopping abruptly. The RC20XL has the same feature. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 11:47:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 263503BF55; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ecCOKGriMsb9onsW0ZCG7Aka5tqXTL+8CDtI3Z41YbUgezvAqNQc0C1QkViqX+gN+WJYQXlvfVC74rX0PEQuiJQ936hf6Q2PXtOQZoQR+a8/iJtbYj0O5O7hiziRS/mNHnePbOXgG6peFwG/7hb0mJUraV29K+9BX7dOGVCEV3w= ; Message-ID: <20060225114721.22288.qmail@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Jose Gonzalez, looper? To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20060225111412.17009.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:47:23 +0000 (UTC) That he's "light in his loopers"? --- r i c k m o n d wrote: > what do you mean by that? > > --- MisTerGyRo@aol.com wrote: > > > yes hes a flamer alright.............. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > John Tidwell http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wedgehed/my_photos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 14:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F9963BF59; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2VUqUcEXHPl+6kzAzeb+F83uxT9a/V87JvJMLaMpRIapVdcZSZ8+Gdyj3BSou5fYKzSws3hv99JAqj0toXt0E5lruKvbIXSq3j5ZTWvgWjw98KJahoOKEd2+9GTNJ+SvL2MVpimBC3APEMNAy8DYqEox2r+SoT1qRLKEbtbftII= ; Message-ID: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: web hosting for loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060223053704.1E6A03C029@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Looking to create a web site to upload some of my current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm receiving from my research is a bit daunting. Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies (insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not looking to break the bank either. I'm guessing the way to go is to register my domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately. Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there? Thanks, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 14:31:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22EEF3BF6B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:30:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Looproom podcast launched! (Tip: Roll out your own!) From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looproom podcast launched! (Tip: Roll out your own!) Thread-Index: AcY6GBaiVTcLiqYLEdqP1AAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Hey per, great news... Can't wait to participate... On following the direct link below, it first demands me to change to the swedish store and then tells me it is not available there... I wonder what it takes to cross post to other stores, like the us store? And perhaps we can't access podcasts from the swedish store? That would make no sense! Help me check this out? Thanks, todd On 2/25/06 5:54 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 14:32:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FA33BF5A; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:32:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Looproom podcast launched! (Tip: Roll out your own!) wait wait wait... From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looproom podcast launched! (Tip: Roll out your own!) wait wait wait... Thread-Index: AcY6GFz3m4t4SKYLEdqP1AAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Idiot alert. There was a space in the damn url. Wraparound sucks. Sorry per. I found it, and it works perfectly... T. On 2/25/06 5:54 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=3D128679560&s=3D143456 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 15:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17CB03BF6D; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c63a1c$5e34ed20$6501a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: web hosting for loopers? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:01:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Lee: I got started with Godaddy when I saw their hilarious ad on the Superbowl last year (a spoof of the congressional hearings on stamping out "indecent" television shows). When the time came to select a domain name for my ever looping son, John, our first stop was Godaddy.com. They had all the services we needed, at very low price, compared to the competition. I registered the domain name and rented a hosting share on their Windows servers with their Traffic Facts option so we could monitor traffic. Everything was done online with no person to person contact. One combined transaction with my credit card. So far so good, but this is where the fun started. I had zero experience building a web site, so I took the easy path for a beginner, I bought a bargain copy of Office 2002 (with Frontpage included), I bought a used Frontpage 2002 users guide from Amazon.com, then I started reading and experimenting. By the time I was done, about 2 weeks later, I had a suitable web site for John with mp3 audio clips, artwork, guestbook, just about anything a beginner could want. Changes and maintenance are a snap. All through this, Godaddy's performance has been great. However, don't ask them any questions about how to build your site because they are not particularly inclined to help, or maybe just don't know much about web building tools. Best approach to that is call them on the phone rather than email or chat. In summary, we are satisfied customers, no real complaints. Our next generation web site will be built with a more sophisticated tool like Dreamweaver, but for now everything is working OK. - CW www.johnwinters.biz x----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Maravel" To: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:06 AM Subject: web hosting for loopers? > Looking to create a web site to upload some of my > current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years > ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm > receiving from my research is a bit daunting. > Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any > recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies > (insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not > looking to break the bank either. > I'm guessing the way to go is to register my > domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately. > Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there? > Thanks, > Lee > x From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 15:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E2313BED5; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KPwopSBoh98KX8eDcbOgCY9K6dyLoknYm9eMqcn0LzfkmuZtUz/J8KmixF0261+sH6H/VK3MqKVbgnkI5slEaHCxw9ZpiZZDTfxJcANx+ObEjRC524qi9FLDYcKeQhZ5flN/NOY67SeMagXKXPG9JLDlZn+kSAQFv5dHnEcqYqI= ; Message-ID: <20060225150640.64850.qmail@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:06:40 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: How to build guitar-rig for looping (pedals-amp-repeater-fx-synth-guitar-PA) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1067102417-1140880000=:64524" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4A2QwC.A.xkH.CKHAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-1067102417-1140880000=:64524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Does anyone how tips on how to "build a guitar-rig in use of looping" ? Is it possible somehow to do this: guitar (and gr-30) -pedals-tc2290-repeater with effects in fx- from her split the signal in two- signal 1 onto the amp (both guitar and loops), and signal 2, (maybe stereo loops and synthguitar) synth-guitar onto PA. Is this possible and still have the possillity to use effects in repeaters fx-input/putput ? How can I make this happen, how to hook up the gear ? Are there other ways of doing this ? Rune F. Norway --0-1067102417-1140880000=:64524 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Does anyone how tips on how to "build a guitar-rig in use of looping" ? 
 
Is it possible somehow to do this:
 
guitar (and gr-30) -pedals-tc2290-repeater with effects in fx- from her split the signal in two- signal 1 onto the amp (both guitar and loops), and signal 2, (maybe stereo loops and synthguitar) synth-guitar onto PA. 
 
Is this possible and still have the possillity to use effects in repeaters fx-input/putput ?
 
How can I make this happen, how to hook up the gear ?
 
Are there other ways of doing this ?
Rune F. Norway         
 
 
--0-1067102417-1140880000=:64524-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 15:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A3B63BF53; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c63a23$717383e0$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Reply-To: "rc_firth" From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Boss RC-50 & RC-20XL fade function Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:52:11 -0000 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C63A23.70C40A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:44:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C63A23.70C40A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only speculation, but I suspect that the RC-50 will only allow a loop to = fade-out over the course of one loop cycle; not much use when you are = using short loops. Timed fades would be much more useful. Anyone know = how the fade function is implemented in the Bosss RC-20XL? I have the original RC-20, which doesn't have the fade function. I use = the virtual pedal in my Boss GT-8 (RC-20 connected to the GT-8's send & = return jacks) - to trigger slow fades. The GT-8 virtual pedal is set to = slowly fade the GT-8 effects return; a workaround, if you have a GT-8 ;) = ....but not ideal. Auto fades are much smoother (for me) than manual/vol pedal fades. Of = course feedback would solve all these issues! Ralph ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C63A23.70C40A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only speculation, but I suspect that = the RC-50 will=20 only allow a loop to fade-out over the course of one loop cycle; not = much use=20 when you are using short loops. Timed fades would be much more useful. = Anyone=20 know how the fade function is implemented in the Bosss = RC-20XL?
 
I have the original RC-20, which = doesn't have the=20 fade function.  I use the virtual pedal in my Boss GT-8 (RC-20 = connected to=20 the GT-8's send & return jacks) - to trigger slow fades. The GT-8 = virtual=20 pedal is set to slowly fade the GT-8 effects return; a workaround, if = you have a=20 GT-8 ;) ....but not ideal.
 
Auto fades are much smoother (for me) = than=20 manual/vol pedal fades. Of course feedback would solve all these=20 issues!
 
Ralph
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C63A23.70C40A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 15:46:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 526173BF85; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <059701c63a22$b3be73a0$afc0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: web hosting for loopers? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:46:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 147, in=91720, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC) www.box.net Up to 5gig storage, and adding new features in a few days like tagging, blogs, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Maravel" To: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: web hosting for loopers? > Looking to create a web site to upload some of my > current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years > ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm > receiving from my research is a bit daunting. > Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any > recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies > (insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not > looking to break the bank either. > I'm guessing the way to go is to register my > domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately. > Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there? > Thanks, > Lee > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060225114721.22288.qmail@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9BvrzC.A.N4B.LCIAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:06:35 +0000 (UTC) ah lol... --- John Tidwell wrote: > That he's "light in his loopers"? > > > --- r i c k m o n d wrote: > > > what do you mean by that? > > > > --- MisTerGyRo@aol.com wrote: > > > > > yes hes a flamer alright.............. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:36:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Lee. My site is hosted on webmasters.com. I highly recommend them; LOTS of space and pretty cheap, too: http://www.webmasters.com/ Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:11:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AECC3BF65; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:13:32 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: web hosting for loopers? In-reply-to: <002a01c63a29$93c577e0$310dd00c@insightbb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020101c63a3f$917ee140$0502a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:11:52 +0000 (UTC) I've been pretty happy with parcom.net. Very, very inexpensive, no real limits of relevance to a modest Web operation, fast response to occasional issues. Lots of space. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: web hosting for loopers? > > > Hi Lee. > My site is hosted on webmasters.com. I highly recommend them; > LOTS of space and pretty cheap, too: > > http://www.webmasters.com/ > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:22:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB95C3BF5B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060225140856.01c3d7e0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:22:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: web hosting for loopers? In-Reply-To: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060223053704.1E6A03C029@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7C085CC2; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4400AE8767A1=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:22:57 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-4400AE8767A1======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_19974953==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7C085CC2 --=====================_19974953==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7C085CC2 I've been using www.monsterhosting.ca and have been real happy with them, I got about 250mb disk space and 25gb of band with for 5.00 a month. They've been real quick to answer any questions and even have sent me a few emails to check on that I'm pleased.... the package I have (which is their smallest) reads: 250 MB Disk Space [] 25 GB Monthly Transfer Limit [] 30 Day Guarantee [] 99% Uptime Guarantee [] 24/7 Customer Service [] Unmetered Email Accounts [] Unmetered Mailing Lists [] Unmetered Add-on Domains [] Unmetered Sub Domains [] Unmetered MySQL Databases [] Unmetered FTP Accounts [] Free Email Marketing Tools [] Free Website Migration [] Free Shared SSL Certificate They also offer a discount if you pay by the year. I've used mine to host not only my own web site but also my wife's and my son's with their own domain names. www.haslem.ca All the best, Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada At 09:06 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Looking to create a web site to upload some of my >current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years >ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm >receiving from my research is a bit daunting. > Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any >recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies >(insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not >looking to break the bank either. > I'm guessing the way to go is to register my >domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately. >Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there? > Thanks, > Lee > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com --=====================_19974953==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7C085CC2
I've been using www.monsterhosting.ca and have been real happy with them, I got about 250mb disk space and 25gb of band with for 5.00 a month. They've been real quick to answer any questions and even have sent me a few emails to check on that I'm pleased....
the package I have (which is their smallest)  reads:
250 MB Disk Space
[]25 GB Monthly Transfer Limit
[]30 Day Guarantee
[]99% Uptime Guarantee
[]24/7 Customer Service
[]Unmetered Email Accounts
[]Unmetered Mailing Lists
[]Unmetered Add-on Domains
[]Unmetered Sub Domains
[]Unmetered MySQL Databases
[]Unmetered FTP Accounts
[]Free Email Marketing Tools
[]Free Website Migration
[]Free Shared SSL Certificate
They also offer a discount if you pay by the year.
I've used mine to host not only my own web site but also my wife's and my son's with their own domain names. www.haslem.ca

All the best,

Paul Haslem
Ontario, Canada



At 09:06 AM 2/25/2006, you wrote:

Looking to create a web site to upload some of my
current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years
ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm
receiving from my research is a bit daunting.
     Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any
recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies
(insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not
looking to break the bank either.
     I'm guessing the way to go is to register my
domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately.
Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there?
                                    Thanks,
                                           Lee


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--=====================_19974953==.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-4400AE8767A1=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344623BF61; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,146,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="171076800:sNHT22617924" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060225113703.012072f8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:38:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: web hosting for loopers? In-Reply-To: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060223053704.1E6A03C029@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) I've been happy with powweb: http://www.powweb.com/PowWeb/OnePlan/Detail I registered my domain separately thru hostway: http://www.hostway.com/ At 2006.02.25 06:06 AM, Lee Maravel wrote: >Looking to create a web site to upload some of my >current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years >ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm >receiving from my research is a bit daunting. > Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any >recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies >(insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not >looking to break the bank either. > I'm guessing the way to go is to register my >domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately. >Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there? > Thanks, > Lee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 19:38:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9B4C3BF5C; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c63a44$359e6d00$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Reply-To: "rc_firth" From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Boss RC-50 & RC-20XL fade function Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:46:44 -0000 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C63A44.34FFBC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:38:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C63A44.34FFBC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only speculation, but I suspect that the RC-50 will only allow a loop to = fade-out over the course of one loop cycle; not much use when you are = using short loops. Timed fades would be much more useful. Anyone know = how the fade function is implemented in the Boss RC-20XL? I have the original RC-20, which doesn't have the fade function. I use = the virtual pedal in my Boss GT-8 (RC-20 connected to the GT-8's send & = return jacks) - to trigger slow fades. The GT-8 virtual pedal is set to = slowly fade the GT-8 effects return; a workaround, if you have a GT-8 ;) = ....but not ideal. Auto fades are much smoother (for me) than manual/vol pedal fades. Of = course feedback would solve all these issues! Ralph ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C63A44.34FFBC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only speculation, but I suspect that = the RC-50 will=20 only allow a loop to fade-out over the course of one loop cycle; not = much use=20 when you are using short loops. Timed fades would be much more useful. = Anyone=20 know how the fade function is implemented in the Boss = RC-20XL?
 
I have the original RC-20, which = doesn't have the=20 fade function.  I use the virtual pedal in my Boss GT-8 (RC-20 = connected to=20 the GT-8's send & return jacks) - to trigger slow fades. The GT-8 = virtual=20 pedal is set to slowly fade the GT-8 effects return; a workaround, if = you have a=20 GT-8 ;) ....but not ideal.
 
Auto fades are much smoother (for me) = than=20 manual/vol pedal fades. Of course feedback would solve all these=20 issues!
 
Ralph
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C63A44.34FFBC00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 20:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119913BF5A; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZEQaOYCRys8/sVJpM/a+H49IbEekWdVIun+GYi08y140jAlbFfXURb64wb5vGBuNP8YYAWc7JUH919CauLyHMz4UmUctZTgOtbKSkGaRpXX1OPauhsYSLUJU/FB8QdlOBRqBZeqigVnpGPz/YQYYhX10ZctAAI4OpH/A8OK46oE= Message-ID: <353e2ed80602251219r50cb998wb07deded6e54553@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:19:29 +0000 From: "David Morton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 & RC-20XL fade function In-Reply-To: <002101c63a44$359e6d00$6845fea9@w5f0n1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002101c63a44$359e6d00$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:19:31 +0000 (UTC) On 2/25/06, rc_firth wrote: > Anyone know how the fade > function is implemented in the Boss RC-20XL? It's one of the three options for what happens after you hit Stop: You have the choice between immediate stop, end-of-phrase stop, or fade out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 21:15:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EE2F3BF4B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d901c63a50$a64e6cb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: JOSE GONZALES Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:15:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:15:43 +0000 (UTC) I'm so glad someone mentioned Jose Gonzales' Veneer CD. I'm so in love with this record; have been playing it over and over this week and I too, was curious how he was accomplishing some of his stuff. My wife has a few years training in classical guitar and tells me that everything he is doing is doable in real time with classical techniques but I suspected that he might be looping. There is one tune where he has a bass run on one string against chords and he either looped it or accopmlished it himself with Buckethead sized hands (saw him last night........................what freakishly long hands that monstrous guitarist has). I got curious and picked up a beater classical guitar that we have and tried figuring out one of his tunes and actually made some progress (and I'm a terrible guitar player, technically speaking). I know that the percussion that he plays is doable in one of the later songs because that is a technique I've stumbled on as a percussionist which is either putting the guitar into an open tuning or fretting a chord appropriately and the banging your fist on near the sound hole to get a bass drum sound while the guitar chord plays very quietly as a sympathetic vibtration. Still, he might be looping. I hope so only because this is the best acoustic singersongwriter record I've heard since dear Eliott Smith passed away. It's so zen simple and he has the most beautiful, clear and untheatrical voice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 21:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2D23BF46; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:31:20 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: New looping piece online, groovy/cheesy In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20060225113703.012072f8@mail02.powweb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000501c63a52$d1f87c50$0502a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0-7iC.A.e5F.RyMAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I finally found a way to use those wonderful but cheesy "Jazz Scat" sounds in my roland guitar synth - add appropriately tongue-in-cheek percussion and a simple walking bass, and it's instant Manhattan Transfer, only without the burden of taste. 4 minutes of guilty pleasure at http://warrensirota.com/Solostuff/coolJewel.mp3. (even more at http://warrensirota.com/Solostuff). Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 21:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365353BF47; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <25576353.1140903304707.JavaMail.root@cps7> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:35:04 +0100 (MET) From: "JUANRAR@terra.es" Reply-To: JUANRAR@terra.es To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 crashed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8333_2590924.1140903304706" Resent-Message-ID: <_v7ZcB.A.eGG.L5MAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:38:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8333_2590924.1140903304706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: we are a band from Barcelona (Spain) and we used to play with a Boss RC-20... but now it seems to be crashed. After hours of playing and looping, some days ago something happened: all the lights started to flash and we decided to turn off the Boss. When we turned on it again, the "memory full" led is allways on, and, despite we erased all the loops recorded, we could not record a loop longer than 10 s. There is no reset button or anything else to definetely erase all the memory. Does anyone in this list know anything about this problem? Thank you very much and sorry for my poor english. JR Prueba el Nuevo Correo Terra; Seguro, Rápido, Fiable. ------=_Part_8333_2590924.1140903304706 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello:

we are a band from Barcelona (Spain) and we used to play with a Boss RC-20... but now it seems to be crashed. After hours of playing and looping, some days ago something happened: all the lights started to flash and we decided to turn off the Boss. When we turned on it again, the "memory full" led is allways on, and, despite we erased all the loops recorded, we could not record a loop longer than 10 s. There is no reset button or anything else to definetely erase all the memory.

Does anyone in this list know anything about this problem?
Thank you very much and sorry for my poor english.
JR


Prueba el Nuevo Correo Terra; Seguro, Rápido, Fiable.
------=_Part_8333_2590924.1140903304706-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Feb 25 23:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDEDA3BF01; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: web hosting for loopers? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:11:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Domains through godaddy.com webpage www.totalchoicehosting.com 450 meg storage 10Gb transfer Been satisfied with both and low cost. ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: Lee Maravel [mailto:leemaravel@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: web hosting for loopers? Looking to create a web site to upload some of my current mp3 loops to. I had a personal site many years ago but things have changed a lot. The info I'm receiving from my research is a bit daunting. Quite a few of you have your own sites. Any recomendations? I'm not looking for freebies (insufficient file size upload, no mp3, etc...) + not looking to break the bank either. I'm guessing the way to go is to register my domain name at "go daddy" (stupid name) seperately. Any feedback on how/where to proceed from there? Thanks, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 00:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF6A73BF07; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CiUYQFr5TVJ1bq9ySEHYfVmmF3m4LMvPCIo5TvZ1rIrI0z7jktUXMZxwGdE8+LaTmlUp3z5nFaYPEz39GhO/1FYmZdKhcasGQSXVVBL5FFBp0+JLNFUVbAjv2+YZgMny9+d6rREKLdUz6iKnVpQzPKacS6CvUDQH+yKKrBr39HI= Message-ID: <4e3afe9d0602251626o1579657rb6da02e2eb4e4a0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:26:57 -0800 From: "RP Collier" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 crashes Cc: JUANRAR@terra.es MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:27:00 +0000 (UTC) PEpVQU5SQVJAdGVycmEuZXM+CgogPDxXaGVuIHdlIHR1cm5lZCBvbiBpdCBhZ2FpbiwgdGhlICJt ZW1vcnkgZnVsbCIgbGVkIGlzIGFsbHdheXMgb24sCmFuZCwgZGVzcGl0ZSB3ZSBlcmFzZWQgYWxs IHRoZSBsb29wcyByZWNvcmRlZCwgd2UgY291bGQgbm90IHJlY29yZCBhCmxvb3AgbG9uZ2VyIHRo YW4gMTAgcy4gVGhlcmUgaXMgbm8gcmVzZXQgYnV0dG9uIG9yIGFueXRoaW5nIGVsc2UgdG8KZGVm aW5ldGVseSBlcmFzZSBhbGwgdGhlIG1lbW9yeS4KRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaW4gdGhpcyBsaXN0IGtu b3cgYW55dGhpbmcgYWJvdXQgdGhpcyBwcm9ibGVtPwpUaGFuayB5b3UgdmVyeSBtdWNoIGFuZCBz b3JyeSBmb3IgbXkgcG9vciBlbmdsaXNoLj4+CgoKSG9sYQpFc3RhcyB1c2FuZG8gYmF0ZXJpYXM/ ClNhY2FyIGxvcyBiYXRlcmlhcyB5IHRhbCB2ZXogZW5jaHVmZSBlbCBSQzIwLCBhcHJldGFyIGVs IGJvdG9uIGRlCkVzY3JpdGFyIHkgZGVzZW5jaHVmYXIgZWwgUkMyMC4KRWwgbWFudWFsIGRpY2Ug cXVlIHRvZG8gaW5mb3JtYWNpb24gc2VyYSBwZXJkaWRvIGVzIHVuYSBwb3NpYmlsaWRhZC4KUHVl ZGVzIHRyYXRhciBsbyBtaXNtbyBjb24gZWwgYm90b24gZGUgU2FsaWRhLgpwZXJkb25lIG1pIGVz cGFub2wgemFmaW8uCmJ1ZW5hIHN1ZXJ0ZQoKQm9iQwoKCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2RiYWJ5LmNvbS9y cGNvbGxpZXIyCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2RiYWJ5LmNvbS9ycGNvbGxpZXIKaHR0cDovL3Rpbnl1cmwu Y29tL2NyMjVqCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 00:31:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78A023BF19; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: MisTerGyRo@aol.com Message-ID: <232.78c1d1e.313250c6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:31:02 EST Subject: Re: Boss RC-20 crashed To: JUANRAR@terra.es, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1140913862" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <4fwaB.A.UwE.NbPAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:31:09 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1140913862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that has happened many times to me before...and the thing just killed my tone...The pots got really strachy in about 6 months..Thats why i sold it...I am saving for a EDP -------------------------------1140913862 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that has happened many times to me before...and the thing just killed m= y=20 tone...The pots got really strachy in about 6 months..Thats why i sold it...= I am=20 saving for a EDP
 -------------------------------1140913862-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 05:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07BCE3BF38; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1147.212.205.239.60.1140931945.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> In-Reply-To: <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060223053704.1E6A03C029@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060225140619.49999.qmail@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:32:25 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: web hosting for loopers? From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Hello from a happy Dreamhost customer: http://www.dreamhost.com/ Check these hosting plans and options: http://www.dreamhost.com/shared/comparison.html Domain registration is free when you sign up for any plan. As a customer I can set up a discount code that everyone else can use to save some money when signing up ($97 total if I remember correctly). Contact me off-list to set it up for you if you like. Of course, that goes for any fellow looper out there. :-) Greetings from Athens! Costas Andreou ||bass||loops||electronics|| http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 11:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33AA63BF3A; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADkcAUSHNSw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060226111651.02818eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:24:44 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Boss RC-20 crashed In-Reply-To: <20060225231054.707FD3BF4C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060225231054.707FD3BF4C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:25:55 +0000 (UTC) > Boss RC-20... but now it seems to be crashed. After hours of > playing and looping, some days ago something happened: all the > lights started to flash and we decided to turn off the Boss. When > we turned on it again, the "memory full" led is allways on, and, > despite we erased all the loops recorded, we could not record a > loop longer than 10 s. There is no reset button or anything else to > definetely erase all the memory.Does anyone in this list know > anything about this problem? I don't know if this applies to RC-20, but this is a general "problem fix" Open it up, look for any IC chips that are in sockets, then make sure that they are all fully into the socket. Maybe lift them out of the socket, and put them back in. ..OR.. have a look inside for some kind of battery, and replace it. (this would be a small battery to provide just enough power for the unit to remember settings while turned off, it may be soldered in place) ..OR.. Check the power supply ..OR.. contact Roland customer support, andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 12:30:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434113BF39; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ewLaImmvdHnka6tf2p3wO9PQAliMpJULxmqgMMGbbZ8n0Xhufj0hk3jOUk8kA0x+0huxrPEFekZxovoIVISPc5CL49XQvwR6Wg8lhPo2JXBgEwFaEF8J1ypyjTsbmEQgOJrQ/vLCXuKnH6VJNbACQk8XDrAKqZNyl64WYxjZbi8= ; Message-ID: <20060226123007.50464.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:30:07 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Boomerang sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1082519949-1140957007=:47782" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:30:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1082519949-1140957007=:47782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Does the Boomrang sampler got the option to reduse feedback in order to make the recorded loop decrease, like Repeater and EDP ? Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping ? Rune F. --0-1082519949-1140957007=:47782 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Does the Boomrang sampler got the option to reduse feedback in order to make the recorded loop decrease, like Repeater and EDP ?
 
Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping ? 
 
Rune F.
--0-1082519949-1140957007=:47782-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 13:48:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9097A3BF00; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,147,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="15020555:sNHT18606958" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060226123007.50464.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060226123007.50464.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Boomerang sampler Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:48:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Sort of. You can set several levels of feedback for each loop, but you can't change them on the fly. So, when the loop is open for overdubs it decays, and when it is holding feedback = 100%. To do a fade, you can open the loop but not overdub anything and over time it will fade out. There is a nice little volume roller, if it's just that you want it quieter. The Boomerang seems to have lost all its cachet. I like them -- for me, they have the best looping interface yet designed. But it seems like the Jammen and RC-whatevers are going to kill them unless there's a Boomerang 2 in the works. Used prices look to be around $300. Some folks didn't like the audio quality, but I never much noticed although it can be a little fussy to set levels. You can also use it as a latching delay, like a PCM42, RDS/PDS/ Echotron-whatever, and Echoplex. Since that's the way I normally "loop," Boomerangs are very appealing to me. (Which is why I'm getting a Maneco, but that's another story -- getting one of those means having a kind of squidgy-feeling money transfer through Western Union. But hopefully he'll get his money tomorrow!) If the DD-20 would do that, it would *kill*, but I as far as I can tell it doesn't. But I still think, for looping, that you can't beat Boomerangs for the price. The Digitech, RC-50, and Headrush have just never done it for me. Well, except for the DD-20 maybe. But that's my opinion -- there are others. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:30 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Does the Boomrang sampler got the option to reduse feedback in > order to make the recorded loop decrease, like Repeater and EDP ? > > Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping ? > > Rune F. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 14:01:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74E773BF39; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: Boomerang sampler Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:01:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:01:16 +0000 (UTC) You've said it all here Kelly. I too use the Boomerang though my eye has been caught by a Maneco as well. There are some AC noise issues if you use any type of switching transformers in your effects loop. Yes, you can probably get around them (and I have) but I also don't believe it is fair to have to buy a device and then by all types of line treatments to keep noise down in those circumstances. But, if the device is tuned properly, noise from the device is not that big of issue. I too firmly believe the Boomerang is the best live performer looping tool that's all in one, on the floor, and has thought out interfaces. This is only my gut feel, but I think the Boomerang+ is the last iteration. It's a shame because I do think he was on to something. Nevertheless, until something else comes along, I'm sticking with the Boomerang. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:kellycoyle@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang sampler Sort of. You can set several levels of feedback for each loop, but you can't change them on the fly. So, when the loop is open for overdubs it decays, and when it is holding feedback = 100%. To do a fade, you can open the loop but not overdub anything and over time it will fade out. There is a nice little volume roller, if it's just that you want it quieter. The Boomerang seems to have lost all its cachet. I like them -- for me, they have the best looping interface yet designed. But it seems like the Jammen and RC-whatevers are going to kill them unless there's a Boomerang 2 in the works. Used prices look to be around $300. Some folks didn't like the audio quality, but I never much noticed although it can be a little fussy to set levels. You can also use it as a latching delay, like a PCM42, RDS/PDS/ Echotron-whatever, and Echoplex. Since that's the way I normally "loop," Boomerangs are very appealing to me. (Which is why I'm getting a Maneco, but that's another story -- getting one of those means having a kind of squidgy-feeling money transfer through Western Union. But hopefully he'll get his money tomorrow!) If the DD-20 would do that, it would *kill*, but I as far as I can tell it doesn't. But I still think, for looping, that you can't beat Boomerangs for the price. The Digitech, RC-50, and Headrush have just never done it for me. Well, except for the DD-20 maybe. But that's my opinion -- there are others. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:30 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Does the Boomrang sampler got the option to reduse feedback in > order to make the recorded loop decrease, like Repeater and EDP ? > > Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping ? > > Rune F. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 17:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94183BEF5; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <25f.786b5df.313341d4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:39:32 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25f.786b5df.313341d4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:39:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_25f.786b5df.313341d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/26/06 7:30:20 AM, rune_fagereng@yahoo.no writes: > Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping ?=A0 >=20 the rang has several levels off feedback.....at 100% nothing goes away, the=20 loop continues to build.....then you have several more settings that have le= ss=20 and less repeats, from something like 12-15 all the way down to slapback, i.= e.=20 1 repeat.....also the ability to have it go down an octave, third, fourth=20 etc. is of great use.....the rang is the simplest looper to use, if set prop= erly=20 it will sound quite good (gain).....give mike nelson at boomerang music an=20 e-mail, he had some buggie rangs that he was getting rid of for an excellent= =20 price.....the bug was nothing to really be concerned about, it only happened= when=20 you made a really looong loop and this seldom happens.....I LOVE MY=20 RANG!.....:)mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_25f.786b5df.313341d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 2/26/06 7:30:20 AM, rune_fagereng@yahoo.no writes:


Is the Boomerang a go= d buy, regarding looping ?=A0


the rang has several levels off feedback.....at 100% nothing goes away, t= he loop continues to build.....then you have several more settings that have= less and less repeats, from something like 12-15 all the way down to slapba= ck, i.e. 1 repeat.....also the ability to have it go down an octave, third,=20= fourth etc. is of great use.....the rang is the simplest looper to use, if s= et properly it will sound quite good (gain).....give mike nelson at boomeran= g music an e-mail, he had some buggie rangs that he was getting rid of for a= n excellent price.....the bug was nothing to really be concerned about, it o= nly happened when you made a really looong loop and this seldom happens.....= I LOVE MY RANG!.....:)mic



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_25f.786b5df.313341d4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 18:05:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9FE3BEEC; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : Boomerang sampler Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:04:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c63aff$2501e330$10ca9d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C63B07.86C64B30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <25f.786b5df.313341d4@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:05:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C63B07.86C64B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I love my 'Rang too, it sounds a bit "darker" than the EDP,=20 so having both allows me to use different types of sounds, it is very easy to use, I never had a problem setting up levels,=20 and Mike Nelson always replies quickly to emails;=20 the only "but" I have is the delay/feedback is not as good as the EDP and it cannot be adjusted dynamically like on the EDP, but ratio price/quality is great;=20 =20 F =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : dimanche 26 f=E9vrier 2006 18:40 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Re: Boomerang sampler In a message dated 2/26/06 7:30:20 AM, rune_fagereng@yahoo.no writes: Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping ?=20 the rang has several levels off feedback.....at 100% nothing goes away, the loop continues to build.....then you have several more settings that have less and less repeats, from something like 12-15 all the way down to slapback, i.e. 1 repeat.....also the ability to have it go down an octave, third, fourth etc. is of great use.....the rang is the simplest looper to use, if set properly it will sound quite good (gain).....give mike nelson at boomerang music an e-mail, he had some buggie rangs that he was getting rid of for an excellent price.....the bug was nothing to really be concerned about, it only happened when you made a really looong loop and this seldom happens.....I LOVE MY RANG!.....:)mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C63B07.86C64B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
I love=20 my 'Rang too, it sounds a bit "darker" than the EDP, =
so=20 having both allows me to use different types of = sounds,
it is=20 very easy to use, I never had a problem setting up=20 levels, 
and=20 Mike Nelson always replies quickly to emails;=20
the=20 only "but" I have is the delay/feedback is not as good as the=20 EDP
and it=20 cannot be adjusted dynamically like on the EDP,
but ratio price/quality is great;=20
 
F
 
-----Message d'origine-----
De : = Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Envoy=E9 : dimanche 26 = f=E9vrier 2006=20 18:40
=C0 :=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet : Re: = Boomerang=20 sampler


In a message dated = 2/26/06 7:30:20=20 AM, rune_fagereng@yahoo.no writes:


Is the Boomerang a god buy, regarding looping=20 ? 


the rang has several levels off feedback.....at = 100%=20 nothing goes away, the loop continues to build.....then you have = several more=20 settings that have less and less repeats, from something like 12-15 = all the=20 way down to slapback, i.e. 1 repeat.....also the ability to have it go = down an=20 octave, third, fourth etc. is of great use.....the rang is the = simplest looper=20 to use, if set properly it will sound quite good (gain).....give mike = nelson=20 at boomerang music an e-mail, he had some buggie rangs that he was = getting rid=20 of for an excellent price.....the bug was nothing to really be = concerned=20 about, it only happened when you made a really looong loop and this = seldom=20 happens.....I LOVE MY=20 = RANG!.....:)mic



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.ver= izon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
= ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C63B07.86C64B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 26 22:18:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB0093BED6; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c575Q8xy582/EgTewOx4pqdQI3nyrZIk7uCOVM3PmPjR1xDlsb7ITo/H7C735IxK9qioXREWGPJ9i+lsxvpnD7u7YGEEgpAQGlEGOXoIX70JFpDlucuTo7zJ94k874lJj2AEEsTysqUjAgwHle5CvObuFKHr2lE+SuWpxI13I/4= ; Message-ID: <20060226221833.65182.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:18:33 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: using different outputs on repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1055285256-1140992313=:64447" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:18:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1055285256-1140992313=:64447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Can anyone tell me; is it possible to use the repeater in my amps fx-loop, have the sound of loops on my amp, but still able to send two signals(synth guitar) to DI and PA ? Rune F --0-1055285256-1140992313=:64447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Can anyone tell me; is it possible to use the repeater in my amps fx-loop, have the sound of loops on my amp, but still able to send two signals(synth guitar) to DI and PA ?
 
Rune F  
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 --part1_19f.46330c7a.31338e11_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 01:36:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377853BF08; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Rx/Cb0cBfey0IY9qjrC2dDeKrvynTcaKledjeD4onNLuFE4hogCTJO1dK/fo2JkzjdxncISMsSqcNM4roKYsMbpduaBl+HiwaxCA+uyZamQc4SjJnsB8gUtWHWlXmWqz5DHmp55CQ1X4vO+qXD7UpsmyUQpZbdhd8Xo3RoxEPAI= ; Message-ID: <20060227013641.81593.qmail@web50012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:36:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: Web Hosting To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060225231054.782373BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Just a note of gratitude to all who responded to my query regarding web hosts. Should be up soon. Thanks, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 01:40:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33CCF3BF10; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:40:34 +0000 Message-Id: <022720060140.15277.44025892000599EA00003BAD2207000953CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi! I’m new to Looper’s Delight, which I discovered only days ago, and though little more than a novice in the craft (though a fan since Music For Airports, which should give you some idea how long I’ve been about) I’m looking to upgrade. I’ve been playing in the attic for quite a while with an RC-20 (A very early adopter! the original, no undo) and a DD-20 as the looping part of my setup. Tons of free form fun, some good ideas, but ultimately I feel hamstrung by the lack of ability to synch the RC-20 to anything. And since I started to read the threads here over the last days I’ve really benefited a lot from the discussion of feedback capability (which I’ve been using the DD-20 to cope with) as well, especially on the RC-50, for which I thought I was waiting. The Boomerandg looked cute but didn’t really seem to have enough differential capability >From all I’ve read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal sounds like the gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only real complaint I think I’ve seen is that it’s not stereo. I’m ready to bite the bullet, but it’s still going to sting,. Unfortunately, you can’t generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try a lot of this stuff out, so I’m asking you guys and gals your advice. The 198 seconds seems short these days, but none of you seems to have issues with it. BTW, when you switch loops, will the 1st loop fade 0r does it just stop? I’ve been reading the on line manual but seem to have missed that. So, someone talk me out of it. Or into it. If you the bucks and had it all to do right now, would you buy the EDP or something else? Or wait for the EDP Plus Ultra? :-) Thanks for your thoughts! Christophe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 02:26:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2553BF10; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Do I need that EDP? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:26:21 +0000 Message-Id: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:26:24 +0000 (UTC) My apologies for sending this before with no subject! New to the list, as I say. I'm posting again in case you might have summarily deleted the last one: Hi! I’m new to Looper’s Delight, which I discovered only days ago, and though little more than a novice in the craft (though a fan since Music For Airports, which should give you some idea how long I’ve been about) I’m looking to upgrade. I’ve been playing in the attic for quite a while with an RC-20 (A very early adopter! the original, no undo) and a DD-20 as the looping part of my setup. Tons of free form fun, some good ideas, but ultimately I feel hamstrung by the lack of ability to synch the RC-20 to anything. And since I started to read the threads here over the last days I’ve really benefited a lot from the discussion of feedback capability (which I’ve been using the DD-20 to cope with) as well, especially on the RC-50, for which I thought I was waiting. The Boomerandg looked cute but didn’t really seem to have enough differential capability >From all I’ve read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal sounds like the gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only real complaint I think I’ve seen is that it’s not stereo. I’m ready to bite the bullet, but it’s still going to sting,. Unfortunately, you can’t generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try a lot of this stuff out, so I’m asking you guys and gals your advice. The 198 seconds seems short these days, but none of you seems to have issues with it. BTW, when you switch loops, will the 1st loop fade 0r does it just stop? I’ve been reading the on line manual but seem to have missed that. So, someone talk me out of it. Or into it. If you the bucks and had it all to do right now, would you buy the EDP or something else? Or wait for the EDP Plus Ultra? :-) Thanks for your thoughts! Christophe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 02:32:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5213BF16; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44026604.70705@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:37:56 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? References: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:32:37 +0000 (UTC) cburke55@comcast.net wrote: >BTW, when you switch loops, will the 1st loop fade 0r does it just stop? > Seamless switch to the new loop, like walking into another room...well, you can choose to take a copy of the old room with you. (You could have the "old" loop fade by adjusting feedback to a low setting.) You can hit the new loop overdubbing, if you choose to. Lots of options. The original loop can wait for your return, or you can start a new one there. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 03:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7705A3BF0E; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Do I need that EDP? Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:26:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <44026604.70705@Hevanet.com> Thread-Index: AcY7RhMMQkfnGv3aSIWS6DmYCTeIMwABwBiw Message-Id: <20060227032626.ROCP25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Best thing I can say about the EDP-- You can customize it for your needs, be they simple sample playback (and beyond!) or LaFosse style freeform glitch. What it lacks (stereo, multitrack, USB and Firewire) is moot. It still does stuff no other looper does--and you can set it up to do what you want it to. Gotta say tho, it does best when you have a good MIDI controller hooked up to it. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 03:52:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26CE23BF0B; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:52:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <022720060140.15277.44025892000599EA00003BAD2207000953CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcY7PsEUbSvGPmLHTcu6Z/QyBb7UoAAEil6A Message-Id: <20060227034909.NHKQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:52:42 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: cburke55@comcast.net wrote: I'm ready to bite the bullet, but it's still going to sting,. Unfortunately, you can't generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try a lot of this stuff out, so I'm asking you guys and gals your advice. If you the bucks and had it all to do right now, would you buy the EDP or something else? Or wait for the EDP Plus Ultra? :-) -->Check eBay . . . I am seeing a lot of used EDPs flying out the door at low prices--too bad I don't need another one. Try it, if you don't like it, put it back on eBay. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 04:08:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FA6F3BF15; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b301c63b53$808238a0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060227034909.NHKQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:08:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 483, in=225671, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:08:50 +0000 (UTC) I believe it really depends on your application and style. "Do it all" for me ended up pointing to the Looperlative, though my prior two EDP were superb units and treated me well (they are now off to another proud owner)...I just didn't use all their features. But the Looperlative looks like the ideal unit for the type of music I like to play. Again, I think it's all about your looping philosophy and whether you can manifest it with one unit or another. Now, if I want to get my old EDP feature set back (at least the one that I used), I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is looping Nirvana. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) > -----Original Message----- > From: cburke55@comcast.net wrote: > > I'm ready to bite the bullet, but it's still going to sting,. > Unfortunately, you can't generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try > a > lot of this stuff out, so I'm asking you guys and gals your advice. > > If you the bucks and had it all to do right now, would you buy the EDP or > something else? Or wait for the EDP Plus Ultra? :-) > > -->Check eBay . . . > I am seeing a lot of used EDPs flying out the door at low prices--too bad > I > don't need another one. > Try it, if you don't like it, put it back on eBay. > Gary > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 04:11:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DB2F3BF0E; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: changing your MySpace background Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:10:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 486, in=241237, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:11:09 +0000 (UTC) can anyone tell me how to change the background color of my MySpace page? I don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the whole background. I just can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you had a uniform background on your page. I can't find the damn link and option that allows me to do this! K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 04:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230873BF12; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents NOiNO Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:30:53 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c63b56$984d5930$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:28:51 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday February 28th . NOiNO (Jim Bailey, Matthew Poulakakis & Jamie Todd) NOiNO . the sound exploration aggregate made up of Jim Bailey (Six Heads and Odradek), Matthew Poulakakis (Automatic Fats, salvagesound and Solipsystem) and Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE, SADU, Sylken and URM) returns to the PiNG for their second ever live performance. Formed in the fall of 2005 on the PiNG stage when three friends who had long discussed a musical gathering, jumped at the opportunity to perform together as a last minute fill-in act for a Planet of the Loops performance. Improvising with old-school and new-school looping techniques (analog tape and synths, digital delays and loopers along with virtual samplers, delays and synths), the three got caught in the loop and found a common voice which has inspired them to explore further. An improvised collage of found, percussive and synthetic sounds will be served . . . mutated . . . manipulated . . . mangled . . . for this second sonic sojourn of NOiNO. salvagesound (Matthew Poulakakis) will release "12 reductions (2005)" at this week's show. CDs will be available @ the ping things table. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . in dreams of something new i have not been well by NOT_digital We start the evening off with the first CD from Windsor ON's NOT_digital who will be coming to the PiNG on March 21st to share the stage with Interweaver. http://notdigital.on.to Between Sets CD . Window Pain by Building Castles Out of Matchsticks This week we feature Building Castles Out of Matchsticks' Window Pain, a fantastic collection of emotional and evocative electronic pieces from the vivid imagination of Anne Sulikowski. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday March 7th . Aidan Baker (solo) and ARC In keeping with our mini arc (sorry, couldn't resist) of acts who premiered on the PiNG stage, we welcome back ARC for an evening of infectious improvisation. Way, way, way back on October 12th 1999, at the ninth AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAY, ARC (Aidan Baker, Rich Baker and Chris Kukiel) first came together to perform. Their upcoming show will make it an even dozen ARC performances @ the PiNG. http://fade.to/arc Opening the evening will be a solo set of sonic explorations by Aidan Baker. http://www.aidanbaker.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Building Castles Out of Matchsticks . "Window Pain" "Window Pain", the first release in Piehead Records' 2004 subscription series, is a fantastic collection of emotional and evocative electronic pieces from the vivid imagination of Building Castles Out of Matchsticks. Sounds and textures on the disc are warm and inviting, where all of the rough edges and sharp points have been rounded and buffed to a lustrous shine designed to lure the listener deeper under it's spell. There's a playful quality in many of these songs, a quirky charm about them that draws you in hoping you'll stay. You can't help but feel caught up in the music almost like secret jokes, locational humour shared with friends. There's darkness here as well, a sense of both absence and solitude that permeates throughout the disc, a slight aftertaste to the sweet sounds and tones that, well, isn't quite so sweet. Spiralling drones that are shared through "I have made a list of 374 reasons why I can't live with you and 375 reasons why I can never ever see you again" and "Your wandering demons throw pebbles through my heart" suggest a feeling of loss hidden only by painted clown smiles. And I guess that it's the masterful way in which these conflicting emotions are woven together and shared that makes me enjoy this release so much. With each new listen I find myself finding something new to smile at, something new that brings a tear to my eyes. And isn't that what all the best music does? "Window Pain" by Building Castles out of Matchsticks is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/BUILDING.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday Feb. 27th . WORKSHOP: MADAWASKA STRING QUARTET State of the Art: Composers' Workshop Third Instalment . Drop in to witness the unfolding of four new works for string quartet. The Madawaska String Quartet will undertake this workshop with composers Mike Kane, Sundar Subramanian, David Occhipinti and Dustin Peters. 10AM-5PM . Music Gallery . 197 John St . Pay what you can * Monday Feb. 27th . Improv Greats Lori Freedman(Quebec) and Frank Gratkowski (Germany) in Concert The Duo Freedman/Gratkowski performs original music composed in real-time in front of their audience. Lori Freedman (clarinet, bass clarinet) and Frank Gratkowski (saxophone, clarinets) offer an evening of improvised music spurting from a rich amalgam of influences, from classical and 21st century contemporary music to jazz and far beyond. 20h . Goethe-Institut's Kinowelt Hall admission is sliding scale, suggested minimum is $10. * Tues., Feb. 28th . Lynn Harrigan & Scott M2 of dreamSTATE will be performing at the opening celebration for the Eco-Art and Media Festival. Zig-Zag Gallery (aka the Lounge) on the 1st floor of the HNES Bldg @ York University's Keele Campus 6:00 p.m . ALL WELCOME! * Wednesday March 1st . Agyu Experimental Music Series Tim Posgate and Ben Grossman The first experimental music performance in the new AGYU features a joint performance by guitarist Tim Posgate and hurdy-gurdy player Ben Grossman. 7 PM . Art Gallery of York University Accolade East Building 4700 Keele Street . FREE * Wednesday, March 1st . The See Through Trio Tania Gill - Piano, Mark Laver - Saxophone, Pete Johnston - Bass 8 pm . Tranzac . PWYC * Thursday, March 2nd . The Fake New Age Music Band performs live at the Inspired Lives book launch With readings by authors Sparrow, Marcus Boon and editor Clea McDougall, followed by The Fake New Age Music Band featuring Ryan Driver, Sandro Perri, Justin Haynes and Jean Martin 8pm . The Gladstone Hotel, Art Bar (1214 Queen St. W.) Cover: PWYCV . book deals - prizes - snacks * Friday, March 3rd . Canadian Music Week presents NOISE FACTORY RECORDS SHOWCASE featuring TINKERTOY, NAW, BEEF TERMINAL, HEXES & OHS and MINISYSTEM Spin Gallery . 1100 Queen St. W. . $10 at the door - 19+ * Friday, March 3rd . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i- Aldcroft / Oswald / Valdivia / TBA w/ ken aldcroft- guitar, john oswald- alto sax, brandon valdivia- drums, tba-tba iii- Drumheller w/ eric chenaux- guitar, doug tielli- trombone, rob clutton- bass, nick fraser- drums iii- Cassidy / Haley / Martin w/ bruce cassidy- trumpet, geordie haley- guitar, jean martin- drums 9pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste 218 . $10/6 * Saturday, March 4th . DJ Lazarus presents DARKRAVE v.73 hard trance, industrial and other dark beats with a live set by AYRIA & DJs PATRICK DSP, LAZARUS, PHINK & more in the main room, and live music in the back room presented by H2-OS 11 PM . Funhaus, 526 Queen St. W. $5 at the door before - $10 after - 19+ * Saturday, March 4th . roughidea + RootMeanSquare present Matthew Shipp solo piano One Release Tour 2006 Initially recognized by Toronto audiences propelling the David S. Ware Quartet (Next Wave), and baptizing the What.Next era leading his own trio w/William Parker and Susie Ibarra into sold out/SRO landmark gigs at 179 Richmond Street - NY's pugilistic pianist Matthew Shipp of late renowned for his signature Thirsty Ear Blue Series portfolio - returns in an absolute centre ring concert in the lofty acoustics of St. George-the-Martyr. Mr. Shipp has ranged far and wide, embracing everything from modern classical music, funk, electronica, avant-garde jazz, ambient music and hip-hop to good old hard bop. 8pm . Music Gallery at St.George-the-Martyr Church Grange Park North of CITYTV . Tickets- $15 PLUS. . . Sunday, March 5th . Matinee co-presented by Arraymusic 1:30pm . Arrayspace . 60 Atlantic * Sunday March 5th . Promise Chamber 6 This year's performers so far: strangeangel23 - deep groove, AIA - live ambient, Angus MacLeod - piano, dreamSTATE - live virtual synthesis, Eliot - piano, Liz - cello, Ben Grossman & Cheryl O, Sara Wong & Choo - piano & flute, Angola & crew - trip hop & vocals, Madison & Glynis - w Angus MacLeod, Wack MCs 4pm . ArraySpace . 60 Atlantic Ave, Unit 218 * Sunday March 5th . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 4:00 - Sait / Yue / Keith w/ david sait- electronics, andy yue- analog synth, michael keith- guitar 5:00- The Disguises 6:00-Cram / Fraser / Clutton w/ paul cram- clarinet, nick fraser- drums, rob clutton- bass 4pm-7pm . The NOW Lounge 189 Church St . $6 * Sunday March 5th . Creative Improvisation Workshops Four 3-hour sessions, starting Sunday March 5th, running each Sunday in March, from Noon to 3p.m. Recital April 2nd, 1pm. The focus of the workshop is to encourage musicians to experience the combination of latitude and discipline that distinguishes free improvisation, and to provide them with information about the resources available to them as improvisors. Emphasis is placed on the development of listening skills through playing and the material covered considers music in a comprehensive manner. Open to musicians of all levels and backgrounds, the workshop gives a clearer understanding of the process and a greater appreciation of the art of improvisation. The workshop is organized into 4 3-hour sessions, which culminate in a hour-long recital. The recital is professionally recorded, and copies made available to participants. Participation is open to musicians at all levels. You should plan on attending all four sessions and playing the recital. Cost is $100 per person. All sessions to be held at Studio 4, 60 Atlantic Ave. (southeast of King and Dufferin) Toronto. To register, or for more information, Contact: Victor Bateman- tel: 416-534-7918 email- v.bateman@sympatico.ca Presented in affiliation with the Association of Improvising Musicians, Toronto. * Wednesday, March 8th . CONTACT contemporary music presents GIRLFRIEND With special guest Lori Freedman A collaboration with The Music Gallery Celebrating International Women's Day In association with Amnesty International and the Association of Canadian Women Composers Featuring the music of Eve Beglarian, Lori Freedman, Monique Jean, Deirdre Piper, Marci Rabe, Linda Catlin Smith and Ann Southam. Featuring guest artist Lori Freedman with the CONTACT contemporary music ensemble: Sarah Fraser Raff, violin; Michael Gfroerer, piano; Alex Grant, cello; Akiyo Hattori, clarinet; Christine Mourre, flute; Jerry Pergolesi, percussion 8:00 PM . The Music Gallery . 197 John Street $15 Adults $10 Seniors/Students . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 06:02:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FEA73BF18; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kcg2UrY+JJurmXY4e5qqDXCN+EaXNVOJMKdTWNE1TAPS6T49Geys4Dv4F/bbKtkiH9r6bE8rDcEVOGHb0v7cZs7n52jeWG2Fw1V52n7feUYra2OckfacgDYVdPOIxsP8YTqam0Hg7mZmqVnJcNvbUGn9GRA0TRYo2K2aDy+G4a0= ; Message-ID: <20060227060205.5876.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:02:05 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01b301c63b53$808238a0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2038191223-1141020125=:3863" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:02:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-2038191223-1141020125=:3863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi ! Whats Mobius ? "I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is looping Nirvana.Kris" Rune Kris Hartung skrev: I believe it really depends on your application and style. "Do it all" for me ended up pointing to the Looperlative, though my prior two EDP were superb units and treated me well (they are now off to another proud owner)...I just didn't use all their features. But the Looperlative looks like the ideal unit for the type of music I like to play. Again, I think it's all about your looping philosophy and whether you can manifest it with one unit or another. Now, if I want to get my old EDP feature set back (at least the one that I used), I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is looping Nirvana. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) > -----Original Message----- > From: cburke55@comcast.net wrote: > > I'm ready to bite the bullet, but it's still going to sting,. > Unfortunately, you can't generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try > a > lot of this stuff out, so I'm asking you guys and gals your advice. > > If you the bucks and had it all to do right now, would you buy the EDP or > something else? Or wait for the EDP Plus Ultra? :-) > > -->Check eBay . . . > I am seeing a lot of used EDPs flying out the door at low prices--too bad > I > don't need another one. > Try it, if you don't like it, put it back on eBay. > Gary > > > > --0-2038191223-1141020125=:3863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hi !
 
Whats Mobius ? "I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is looping Nirvana.Kris"
 
Rune


Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> skrev:
I believe it really depends on your application and style. "Do it all" for
me ended up pointing to the Looperlative, though my prior two EDP were
superb units and treated me well (they are now off to another proud
owner)...I just didn't use all their features. But the Looperlative looks
like the ideal unit for the type of music I like to play. Again, I think
it's all about your looping philosophy and whether you can manifest it with
one unit or another.

Now, if I want to get my old EDP feature set back (at least the one that I
used), I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is looping Nirvana.

Kris

*************************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Lehmann"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cburke55@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'm ready to bite the bullet, but it's still going to sting,.
> Unfortunately, you can't generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try
> a
> lot of this stuff out, so I'm asking you guys and gals your advice.
>
> If you the bucks and had it all to do right now, would you buy the EDP or
> something else? Or wait for the EDP Plus Ultra? :-)
>
> -->Check eBay . . .
> I am seeing a lot of used EDPs flying out the door at low prices--too bad
> I
> don't need another one.
> Try it, if you don't like it, put it back on eBay.
> Gary
>
>
>
>



--0-2038191223-1141020125=:3863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 07:07:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8FE3BF1D; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RxWvxyckb5v/WqEyFiDU/YAVmD+F9/VcLyVovtg5/jBlv0WRcBwGOw/d9MdQ/PC2dJbtrGcqtXMHiDj6T13qaXg2SUVngwKuvAYUAfJ1LlazDhRUwQ+gDntVs5Lg0PGbxcbmaDBoyGn4j4s8d0FSxF45pO1zTUS/yCTBBQ0GLKg= Message-ID: <64b81a780602262307j35b58ea7m63b9473672943984@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:07:20 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? In-Reply-To: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Christophe, Being new to the group, you may have missed recent discussion regarding the Looperlative. This is a new looper being created by list member Bob Amstadt. It's a different beast from the EDP, and looks to be very promising. Check out and the LD archives for more info. Among it's other features, it's full stereo. Just a heads up in case you missed it. I'm of the opinion that more options are always better. Todd On 2/26/06, cburke55@comcast.net wrote: > My apologies for sending this before with no subject! New to the list, a= s I say. I'm posting again in case you might have summarily deleted the la= st one: > > Hi! > > I'm new to Looper's Delight, which I discovered only days ago, and thoug= h > little more than a novice in the craft (though a fan since Music For Airp= orts, > which should give you some idea how long I've been about) I'm looking to > upgrade. > > I've been playing in the attic for quite a while with an RC-20 (A very ea= rly > adopter! the original, no undo) and a DD-20 as the looping part of my set= up. > Tons of free form fun, some good ideas, but ultimately I feel hamstrung b= y the > lack of ability to synch the RC-20 to anything. And since I started to r= ead the > threads here over the last days I've really benefited a lot from the disc= ussion > of feedback capability (which I've been using the DD-20 to cope with) as = well, > especially on the RC-50, for which I thought I was waiting. The Boomeran= dg > looked cute but didn't really seem to have enough differential capability > > From all I've read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal sounds l= ike the > gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only real compl= aint I > think I've seen is that it's not stereo. > > I'm ready to bite the bullet, but it's still going to sting,. Unfortunat= ely, > you can't generally walk into the local Guitar Pit and try a lot of this = stuff > out, so I'm asking you guys and gals your advice. The 198 seconds seems = short > these days, but none of you seems to have issues with it. BTW, when you = switch > loops, will the 1st loop fade 0r does it just stop? I've been reading th= e on > line manual but seem to have missed that. > > So, someone talk me out of it. Or into it. If you the bucks and had it = all to > do right now, would you buy the EDP or something else? Or wait for the E= DP Plus > Ultra? :-) > > Thanks for your thoughts! > > Christophe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 07:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E978D3BF22; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ECaqP8U0VEi5gWTHh9Fpg1bo023MguG2qTl4tbI9XvAh/1Y1UzuLj/Q7/K2VivhGI+s46SN+WWyoZV83VT9+8gqZCwuwUvE+UH5JYY/mgrSj0Rlg8gv5VuaptSdWpRde0QZIgNWSfxWkavVMZiEWub00n4fMNls3Xx7+guFoFB8= Message-ID: <64b81a780602262310r611b7b19vaa960101f0ce0ba9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:10:18 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) In-Reply-To: <20060227060205.5876.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01b301c63b53$808238a0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060227060205.5876.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Mobius is kick ass looping software :) for Windows :(. Check out for more info. Todd On 2/27/06, rune fagereng wrote: > hi ! > > Whats Mobius ? "I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is looping > Nirvana.Kris" > > Rune > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 08:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147D23BF1B; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060226221833.65182.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060226221833.65182.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92123F03-4C1E-4353-B0F2-BF924418F87C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: using different outputs on repeater Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:38:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:38:51 +0000 (UTC) On 26 feb 2006, at 23.18, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Can anyone tell me; is it possible to use the repeater in my amps > fx-loop, Don't know your amp, but if it has a matching level/impendence you should be able to put the repeater into that fx-loop. Depending on the type of your effect send you may, or you may not, run the repeater in "no direct output" mode. > have the sound of loops on my amp, but still able to send two > signals(synth guitar) to DI and PA ? I guess you mean that you want to input also the synth into the repeater? Have you tried using your repeaters fx-loop input? I cant help you with hands-on experience because I don't have a repeater at the moment, but as I remember the Repeater there is one specific configuration where you can not use both the front and back side inputs at the same time, but why don't you just try it out? My excuses if you don't have a repeater around yet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 08:58:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012663BF1D; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> References: <022720060226.1221.4402634D000C2ACC000004C52200737478CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E0ED251-95A7-4C17-AD36-CA6AC2ABABC4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:58:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9pevmB.A.Iz.O9rAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:58:54 +0000 (UTC) On 27 feb 2006, at 03.26, cburke55@comcast.net wrote: > =46rom all I=92ve read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal =20= > sounds like the > gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only real =20= > complaint I > think I=92ve seen is that it=92s not stereo. Yes, judged by functionality the EDP is The King. As Todd hinted =20 there is also the Looperlative coming up, but there's no manual yet =20 although future possible software upgrades for more unique functions =20 has been promised. I have an EDP and have no problem at all with it being mono. On the =20 contrary, that's what I want when I play mono instruments into my =20 looper. But when I play in stereo (as happening when using a FireworX =20= fx unit) I want to loop my signal in stereo. This leads me into the =20 third option which is to put the equal amount of money into a =20 portable computer with audio interface and load it with some good =20 looping software. If you like the EDP feature set Mobius for XP would =20= be a good start. > The 198 seconds seems short > these days, but none of you seems to have issues with it. You can make a four seconds loop sound as a five hour loop by =20 constantly spinning new audio into it by overdubbing and fading out =20 old layers by feedback. Or cutting new audio into different segments =20 of the loop. That's the dynamical style of looping many EDP players =20 are into. But there is also another looping concept, which is about capturing =20 loops, keeping them spinning without changing them and then creating =20 musical variation by bringing all these loops in and out of the mix. =20 If you try to do that on an EDP you would quickly run out of those =20 198. For that "Static Loop" style you would be better off with =20 Ableton Live on a laptop or a Repeater rack device with a fast CFC =20 memory. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 09:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDACF3BF28; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060227060205.5876.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060227060205.5876.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E6CBF7A-82C1-483A-AE91-2F378B3593C6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:01:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:01:23 +0000 (UTC) On 27 feb 2006, at 07.02, rune fagereng wrote: > Whats Mobius ? "I use Mobius. Mobius + Looperlative for me is > looping Nirvana.Kris" > > Rune http://www.zonemobius.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 09:05:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A613BF1D; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <92123F03-4C1E-4353-B0F2-BF924418F87C@boysen.se> References: <20060226221833.65182.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <92123F03-4C1E-4353-B0F2-BF924418F87C@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: using different outputs on repeater Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:05:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:05:32 +0000 (UTC) > On 26 feb 2006, at 23.18, rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! >> >> Can anyone tell me; is it possible to use the repeater in my amps >> fx-loop, > On 27 feb 2006, at 09.38, Per Boysen wrote: > Don't know your amp, but if it has a matching level/impendence you > should be able to put the repeater into that fx-loop. Depending on > the type of your effect send you may, or you may not, run the > repeater in "no direct output" mode. Correction: I think the "no direct output" function actually is called "Mute Input Signal" or something like that, in the Repeater manual. I always muted the input signal and used my Repeater in an effect chain, very much due to the latency of the 'direct through signal' when you plug your signal into the front input. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 11:14:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150253BF22; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [82.35.100.111] X-Originating-Email: [gardunne@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gardunne@hotmail.com From: "gary dunne" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New to list..RC20 User with questions! Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:13:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 11:13:58.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7670100:01C63B8E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys Gary Dunne here. Just came across Loopers Delight recently and have already learned a lot from the site and list. Cheers! I'm an Irish singer songwriter based in London. I've been using a RC20 since 2002 for solo live shows, basic looping of acoustic guitar and second vocal mic. More recently I've started recording melodica, harmonica and some percussion instruments through the second mic. I've always been generally happy with the RC20 and technically it's never let me down. As my live set-up has got a little more 'colourful' recently I really want to have control over the volume levels of the individual loops, and maybe some other parameters too. The Repeater seems interesting and possibly right for the job but I'd love to hear some opinions from you guys. I've heard a lot about ableton live too so I'm open to all hard and soft solutions. Thanks a lot! Gary www.garydunne.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 11:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D4E63BF2A; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Stevenson" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:45:13 +1000 Message-ID: <002801c63b93$45c7c870$0301010a@Rickus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at snapgear.com Resent-Message-ID: <8mhpGB.A.xZG.YZuAEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > my prior two EDP were superb units and treated me well > (they are now off to another proud owner) That proud new owner is me, looping novice and, until now, mailing list lurker! I've never seen an EDP here in Australia, and if you could find one it would cost twice as much as in the US. Fortunately, I had a colleague visiting the US who was willing to carry Kris's units back for me, saving shipping costs and probably customs duty. I had originally planned to sell one locally to recoup some of the cost, but I'm having so much fun with a stereo setup that I will probably keep both. Christophe: I'm really happy with the EDP(s). I couldn't imagine using a device without control over feedback. If you pick one up on ebay (or even buy one from Sweetwater at their $799 price) you won't drop a lot of cash if you decide to sell it again. The Looperlative looks very cool too... Cheers, Rick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 12:16:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CEA63BF23; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Openjam@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.25488925.3134478f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:16:15 EST Subject: Project for Smart People (i.e Loopers) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1141042575" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5021 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:16:23 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1141042575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Loopers, I have a project I wanted see if any creative minds could envision. Project One: Build an open and close (cymbal 1) and next loop momentary (cymbal 2) switch that would sit underneath a crash cymbal so a drummer could control a loop jam by naturally crashing on the one. tq -------------------------------1141042575 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Loopers, I have a project I wanted see if any creative minds could=20 envision.
 
 
Project One:
Build an open and close (cymbal 1) and next loop momenta= ry=20 (cymbal 2) switch that would sit underneath a crash cymbal so a drummer coul= d=20 control a loop jam by naturally crashing on the one.
 
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 -------------------------------1141042575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 16:17:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F38F3BF2A; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xQjoNlWy3mNMH8SBjO6vrHIa/u/1HVuRnvsK1ke7z0Du5vHfsNCW0Wfu0WItjJuHqHO/WHj+6Mlpd3RCgcll+VfSEPmmJWxxoc1Cl829IkZOiVKrybXjnqWx/7LgYg2vL5Km5uj+C3XcWyHYmf3Lu6neO7JnrnOj62TIadQM4uw= ; Message-ID: <20060227161750.79445.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: nemogtr THANKS! / zoom g2- fripp sound / experimenting using 2 digitial modellers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060227071020.629CC3BF25@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1492374738-1141057069=:79362" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:17:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1492374738-1141057069=:79362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1.michael/nemogtr MANY THANKS for the kind words....hey i try (and i like hearing others work, it inspires me to try new things!)...and i think 1/2 the fun is coming up w/ packaging (puts that mfa in pntg to use i guess)....as for kids-can't play or do anything for longer than 10 min b/4 one of them pops up, so record them.... they add nice spontaneous (sp?) creativity at times (they are entertaining as frank zappa said) and hey, my 2 yr old was banging away on my 2 acoustics w/ a stick while i was trying to do some recording this weekend, he was making some good percussive sounds doing that! 2. zoom g2 -fripp sounds--i decided to try to mimic some of what i've heard of fripps recent soundscapes (thinking the opening track to king crimson dvd & the radiophonics cd i have of live stuff from south america, where he takes a while to really build a piece, very quiet starts)...i set up the 5 sec delay w/ about 50% feedback, and then set the multi-tap delay to 3 secs at 90% feedback...i was using more clean sounds (not the standard fuzz w/ octave below-which i use too much at times), and then used a volume pedal to swell sounds in, and the g2 is able to mimic some of the stuff i've heard fripp doing more recently w/ his digital setup....granted in watching the crimson dvd, & knowing how he works w/ multiple loops that he swells in and out, i couldn't really duplicate the complexity of what he does, but the essence of the sound is do-able w/ the g2....oh, i also had to use my sampler to record 6 sec of one of the slow building drones, but i did record a bit, and was happy w/ the results and was amazed that the track ended up being 10 min long, i really lost track of time.... 3. experimenting-well over the last few weeks i had been thinking of experimenting w/ hooking up both of my digital modelers (digitech rp100 & zoom g2) and after listening to the fennesz 'endless summer' (interesting processed noise) decided to try. wow, you can get some interesting sounds. sort of an endless array of possibilties, but i will say one thing, i, as a gtrist, always thinking of/worrying about sound (again all the hero's sounds in mind), w/ this setup, it is not the vintage organic warm tubey sound that all the greats shoot for...its the exact opposite, but will say that w/ 2 distorted patches going w/ compression, the endless sustain that a fernandes sustainer can get can be mimiced for a bit...., and w/ 2 reverb patches you get other unreal sounds... and could get some interesting delay things setting digitech delay to 2 sec and zoom's delay to 2.5 sec.... i think i had read some guitarist (or was it mudhoney, can't remember?) that uses multiple distortion boxes for range of sound....a bit extreme, but fun to explore....if i had to characterize the sound, it reminds me of a zappa comment about "tweezy sounds"....oh well.....happy looping....s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1492374738-1141057069=:79362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
1.michael/nemogtr MANY THANKS for the kind words....hey i try (and i like hearing others work, it inspires me to try new things!)...and i think 1/2 the fun is coming up w/ packaging (puts that mfa in pntg to use i guess)....as for kids-can't play or do anything for longer than 10 min b/4 one of them pops up, so record them.... they add nice spontaneous (sp?) creativity at times (they are entertaining as frank zappa said) and hey, my 2 yr old was banging away on my 2 acoustics w/ a stick while i was trying to do some recording this weekend, he was making some good percussive sounds doing that!
2. zoom g2 -fripp sounds--i decided to try to mimic some of what i've heard of fripps recent soundscapes (thinking the opening track to king crimson dvd & the radiophonics cd i have of live stuff from south america, where he takes a while to really build a piece, very quiet starts)...i set up the 5 sec delay w/ about 50% feedback, and then set the multi-tap delay to 3 secs at 90% feedback...i was using more clean sounds (not the standard fuzz w/ octave below-which i use too much at times), and then used a volume pedal to swell sounds in, and the g2 is able to mimic some of the stuff i've heard fripp doing more recently w/ his digital setup....granted in watching the crimson dvd, & knowing how he works  w/ multiple loops that he swells in and out, i couldn't really duplicate the complexity of what he does, but the essence of the sound is do-able w/ the g2....oh, i also had to use my sampler to record 6 sec of one of the slow building drones, but i did record a bit, and was happy w/ the results and was amazed that the track ended up being 10 min long, i really lost track of time....
3. experimenting-well over the last few weeks i had been thinking of experimenting w/ hooking up both of my digital modelers (digitech rp100 & zoom g2) and after listening to the fennesz 'endless summer' (interesting processed noise) decided to try. wow, you can get some interesting sounds. sort of an endless array of possibilties, but i will say one thing, i, as a gtrist, always thinking of/worrying about sound (again all the hero's sounds in mind), w/ this setup, it is not the vintage organic warm tubey sound that all the greats shoot for...its the exact opposite, but will say that w/ 2 distorted patches going w/ compression, the endless sustain that a fernandes sustainer can get can be mimiced for a bit...., and w/ 2 reverb patches you get other unreal sounds... and could get some interesting delay things setting digitech delay to 2 sec and zoom's delay to 2.5 sec.... i think i had read some guitarist (or was it mudhoney, can't remember?) that uses multiple distortion boxes for range of sound....a bit extreme, but fun to explore....if i had to characterize the sound, it reminds me of a zappa comment about "tweezy sounds"....oh well.....happy looping....s---

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Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --0-1492374738-1141057069=:79362-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 16:53:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422C93BF2E; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060227085123.01c48748@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:53:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) In-Reply-To: <20060227034909.NHKQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <022720060140.15277.44025892000599EA00003BAD2207000953CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <20060227034909.NHKQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:53:16 +0000 (UTC) At 07:52 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >-->Check eBay . . . >I am seeing a lot of used EDPs flying out the door at low prices--too bad I >don't need another one. >Try it, if you don't like it, put it back on eBay. With the article in Guitar Player, I expect to see a momentary increase in the price in EDP but long-term used price will probably decline. Practice safe eBay, there are a lot of sharks there swimming among the good people. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 17:02:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4293BF41; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:02:28 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c63bbf$96fe5340$d4b29d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060227085123.01c48748@TheNettles.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin, I am currently considering buying (on eBay) a second EDP. I'd appreciate more details or tips from you regarding what you call "praticing safe eBay"; offline is welcome best=20 Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : lundi 27 f=E9vrier 2006 17:54 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Re: Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) At 07:52 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >-->Check eBay . . . >I am seeing a lot of used EDPs flying out the door at low prices--too >bad I don't need another one. Try it, if you don't like it, put it back >on eBay. With the article in Guitar Player, I expect to see a momentary=20 increase in the price in EDP but long-term used price will probably=20 decline. Practice safe eBay, there are a lot of sharks there=20 swimming among the good people. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 17:54:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9DCF3BF43; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 Feb 2006 17:54:26 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:54:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060227175425.CB979CA0BC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Christophe wrote: > > From all I've read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal=20 > > sounds like the > > gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only=20 > > real complaint I > > think I've seen is that it's not stereo. One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of gain sta= ging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that issue over the= years=20 and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being that my = sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face Oberheim EDPs). Being more of an old-school-guitar-into-tube amp-equals-tone type guy, I've= struggled off and on with my EDPs as tone-suck culprits. Here's the issue= =20 as I see it: A large part of the sound I want to hear is the sound of my a= mp "breaking up" as my guitar signal hits the preamp stage of a Fender tube= =20 amp. Any pedals that change the way that signal hits the amp are going to = change the tone. When going through an EDP, I have met an unwinnable=20 fight in trying to balance the loss of gain through the EDP vs. the noise p= roduced by the EDP. Through proper gain staging (setting of input and outp= ut=20 levels on the EDP), I can minimize the problem, but not make it disappear. = I do not feel it is possible to simultaneously A) not distort the input, B= ) have a=20 quiet loop with no hiss added by the EDP, and C) still have a full gain sig= nal hit the amp. I can get the loop hiss under control, but there goes my = amp=20 tone. I can get the amp screaming, but either deal with hiss or digital di= stortion, depending on whether I'm leaning towards the input or output of t= he=20 EDP. Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube amp tone issues probably= don't care about this issue. If you have an amp modeler or something=20 BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super clean power amp just to ampl= ify your signal, you may never even notice this. But if you are trying to = use=20 the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound (like most guitar sounds f= rom the 1940's through the present), the EDP can be frustrating. Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They are an amazing tool. This= is just one thing to think about. Cheers Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 18:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404CB3BF2E; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XM4Tjj63JKNPQWO/NWFf4XizDaeYwmUjktDzzr4Ryyrad53WbAoxYT3cewu2WHpa6P3LlNQVzTGZs0O9M96eNzRj2W0aqHjiiGvcx3tsiYpOsMZm7Q9mfJPR27cNZ1n9QUiN0pIu8JKLay8go9VMySrXg/4yW11cewiI/IR6q4w= ; Message-ID: <20060227182225.62896.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:22:25 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:22:28 +0000 (UTC) i used something called thomas' myspace editor... it's how people make those totally annoying myspace pages with stars all over the background and what not... --- Kris Hartung wrote: > can anyone tell me how to change the background > color of my MySpace page? I > don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the > whole background. I just > can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you > had a uniform background > on your page. I can't find the damn link and option > that allows me to do > this! > > K- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 18:24:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DCC3BF3E; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4niH+zxf1VrCK0S9mlSHOE5B6ztezMLNcH7xT4hFEGWEzjRvTnBupcyHH+gRI+VG1NEYE6GSbIhAStWNgzQUUWdDPn/jw8IQy65MDgqCqoW42no7rsR/2fWvhlgFtL7B4JkoOID2Tz8qCwJUXbSUcU+Tj83EPT8W5faii0sgnYk= ; Message-ID: <20060227182424.92123.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:24:24 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:24:26 +0000 (UTC) this is the link to that myspace editor... pretty much does the job... http://206.225.92.10/myspace/ --- Kris Hartung wrote: > can anyone tell me how to change the background > color of my MySpace page? I > don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the > whole background. I just > can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you > had a uniform background > on your page. I can't find the damn link and option > that allows me to do > this! > > K- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 18:28:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A57373BF42; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=whQ+MR8rZP+S5k/0Otx93Yz57ZhlQNz3L/gMdQsH/QLlctKCW7AcFB1JbAiyM9+QXGq4v6aZ2wq8SY59eTTFlrDPTHuUkOLwJU2XIxay1XQ5+Ys6MnzHQ5WwIxqqOAGDtmQVWpysNaqBapdQmVMILAYvR50OMywsM6LdL7BzRG4= ; Message-ID: <20060227182832.77830.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8E0ED251-95A7-4C17-AD36-CA6AC2ABABC4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Dw7QC.A.QJH.RT0AEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:33 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, judged by functionality the EDP is The King. Unless, of course, your functionality consists of wanting to loop stereo... or more than a single track or time/pitch shift your loops in real time, or... well there's as much it doesn't do as what it does do in the world of looping I imagine, though it does do a lot. If it does what you want, then indeed it is your king. If it doesn't it just seems like an expensive piece of gear in your rack. Takes all kinds. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 18:32:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A5F3BF1F; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02db01c63bcc$18d7a270$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060227182225.62896.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:31:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 487, in=241648, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) I figured it out with Andy's CSS (cascading style sheet) code. I can write my own HTML code, but I tend to avoid CSS like the plague. In this case, it was a necessary evil and did the trick. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=52649860 Other than this, I use Dreamweaver for all my normal web work. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "r i c k m o n d" To: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background >i used something called thomas' myspace editor... it's > how people make those totally annoying myspace pages > with stars all over the background and what not... > > --- Kris Hartung wrote: > >> can anyone tell me how to change the background >> color of my MySpace page? I >> don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the >> whole background. I just >> can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you >> had a uniform background >> on your page. I can't find the damn link and option >> that allows me to do >> this! >> >> K- >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 18:39:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A33833BF30; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1416.128.193.37.212.1141065574.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <001601c63bbf$96fe5340$d4b29d53@nom69pxtzsc526> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060227085123.01c48748@TheNettles.com> <001601c63bbf$96fe5340$d4b29d53@nom69pxtzsc526> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:39:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: RE : Echoplex price and availability used: (was Unidentified subject!) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Francois, No big mystery just read the Marketplace Safety sections at: http://pages.ebay.com/securitycenter/?ssPageName=home:f:f:US The ways that people can try to rip you off are amazing. However, by far most people on eBay are honest. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com > Hi Kevin, I am currently considering buying (on eBay) > a second EDP. I'd appreciate more details or tips > from you regarding what you call "praticing safe eBay"; > offline is welcome From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 19:35:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3EC3BEC2; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.467f8f44.3134ae8a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:35:38 EST Subject: odd edp'ism To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a0.467f8f44.3134ae8a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:35:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1a0.467f8f44.3134ae8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a strange phenomenon using my edp. i have the unit plugged into a furman power conditioner in a small rack. midi cord connected to berringher midi pedal. midi cord is always plugged into edp, when performing i then plug other end of midi cord into pedal. if i turn the edp on via the power conditioner before i hook up to the pedal as described, i get a huge surge in volume when i go to overdub on top of a loop. laying down a single loop is not an issue. the solution i've used is to turn the edp off and then on again, after the initial startup. once that's done it all works peachy. it's not a huge issue as long as i remember to restart the unit, but a performance yesterday when i forgot to do that reminded me to ask if anyone else has had this issue. big sky greetings, john floridis --part1_1a0.467f8f44.3134ae8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a strange phenomenon using my edp. = ; i have the unit plugged into a furman power conditioner in a small rack.&= nbsp; midi cord connected to berringher midi pedal.  midi cord is alw= ays plugged into edp, when performing i then plug other end of midi cord int= o pedal. if i turn the edp on via the power conditioner before i hook up to= the pedal as described, i get a huge surge in volume when i go to overdub o= n top of a loop.  laying down a single loop is not an issue.  th= e solution i've used is to turn the edp off and then on again, after the ini= tial startup.  once that's done it all works peachy.

it's not a huge issue as long as i remember to restart the unit, but a perfo= rmance yesterday when i forgot to do that reminded me to ask if anyone else=20= has had this issue.

big sky greetings,
john floridis --part1_1a0.467f8f44.3134ae8a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 19:36:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764DB3BEC5; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:36:47 +0000 Message-Id: <022720061936.10945.440354CF000247DD00002AC12200750330CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10945_1141069007_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10945_1141069007_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow! Thanks to EVERYONE for all the input! All your comments have been inserted into my mental mix. I hadn't heard about either the Looperlative or Mobius before and I'll definitely do some more research. I spend so much time in front of the damn computer screen as it is though that I hate the thought of turning music into yet another desktop task any more than it has to be, so I am going to be primarily looking at the dedicated devices. Thanks again, and it's nice to meet you all! Christophe --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10945_1141069007_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from arsenic.violacea.com ([207.228.238.45]) by sccrmxc11.comcast.net (sccrmxc11) with ESMTP id <20060227182834s1100fb794e>; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.228.238.45] Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9DF3BF45; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=whQ+MR8rZP+S5k/0Otx93Yz57ZhlQNz3L/gMdQsH/QLlctKCW7AcFB1JbAiyM9+QXGq4v6aZ2wq8SY59eTTFlrDPTHuUkOLwJU2XIxay1XQ5+Ys6MnzHQ5WwIxqqOAGDtmQVWpysNaqBapdQmVMILAYvR50OMywsM6LdL7BzRG4= ; Message-ID: <20060227182832.77830.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8E0ED251-95A7-4C17-AD36-CA6AC2ABABC4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Dw7QC.A.QJH.RT0AEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:28:33 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, judged by functionality the EDP is The King. Unless, of course, your functionality consists of wanting to loop stereo... or more than a single track or time/pitch shift your loops in real time, or... well there's as much it doesn't do as what it does do in the world of looping I imagine, though it does do a lot. If it does what you want, then indeed it is your king. If it doesn't it just seems like an expensive piece of gear in your rack. Takes all kinds. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_10945_1141069007_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 20:03:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B43093BEFA; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060227182832.77830.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060227182832.77830.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:03:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <69EVl.A.Q2E.8r1AEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:03:08 +0000 (UTC) > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> Yes, judged by functionality the EDP is The King. > > Unless, of course, your functionality consists of > wanting to loop stereo... or more than a single track > or time/pitch shift your loops in real time, or... Yes, that's a good argument. But I didn't mean to restrict "EDP functionality" to simply the physical EDP device. I was more thinking about it as a "looping device concept" and as such I still think it's the best feature design. You can get that classic EDP functionality in stereo with Mobius, as well as some more non-EDP functionality (soon also with pitch transposing). And there have been discussions on bringing some EDP functionality into Looperlative with future software development. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 20:22:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCC6F3BEFB; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Do I need that EDP? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:22:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060227175425.CB979CA0BC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3ZEGdC.A.SsF.x91AEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Joe, Perhaps you might try an isolation transformer or an impedance transformer between your EDP and amp. I know that both ART and Ebtech make such a device and they are inexpensive, and might cure what sounds to me like impedance miss-matching. Bill -----Original Message----- From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Christophe wrote: > > From all I've read and heard you all say, the EDP with the pedal > > sounds like the > > gold standard (apart from the Eventides and such) and the only > > real complaint I > > think I've seen is that it's not stereo. One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of gain staging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that issue over the years and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being that my sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face Oberheim EDPs). Being more of an old-school-guitar-into-tube amp-equals-tone type guy, I've struggled off and on with my EDPs as tone-suck culprits. Here's the issue as I see it: A large part of the sound I want to hear is the sound of my amp "breaking up" as my guitar signal hits the preamp stage of a Fender tube amp. Any pedals that change the way that signal hits the amp are going to change the tone. When going through an EDP, I have met an unwinnable fight in trying to balance the loss of gain through the EDP vs. the noise produced by the EDP. Through proper gain staging (setting of input and output levels on the EDP), I can minimize the problem, but not make it disappear. I do not feel it is possible to simultaneously A) not distort the input, B) have a quiet loop with no hiss added by the EDP, and C) still have a full gain signal hit the amp. I can get the loop hiss under control, but there goes my amp tone. I can get the amp screaming, but either deal with hiss or digital distortion, depending on whether I'm leaning towards the input or output of the EDP. Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube amp tone issues probably don't care about this issue. If you have an amp modeler or something BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super clean power amp just to amplify your signal, you may never even notice this. But if you are trying to use the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound (like most guitar sounds from the 1940's through the present), the EDP can be frustrating. Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They are an amazing tool. This is just one thing to think about. Cheers Joe Rut -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 21:13:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 060DC3BECC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008101c63be2$a655db10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: a few new pics of Y2K5 just up Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:13:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_WJ1WC.A.oRC.1t2AEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Brian Eder, a brand new member of Loopers Delight and also the owner of a very progressive art and design gallery in San Jose, California sent me this URL today of a couple of pages of pictures he posted from the Y2K5 festival last October. Brian and his partner are that wonderful match of intelligence, love, enthusiasm and support for the new arts that seems rather rare to me anywhere that I travel. If you find yourself in the Silicon Valley, please check out their wonderful gallery. Anno Domini // the second coming of art and design 366 So. First Street San Jose, CA 95113 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 21:15:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F389E3BEF8; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44036BDF.9000309@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:15:11 +0100 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a few new pics of Y2K5 just up References: <008101c63be2$a655db10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <008101c63be2$a655db10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:15:17 +0000 (UTC) you seem to be missing a link ;-) Andreas loop.pool wrote: > Brian Eder, a brand new member of Loopers Delight and also the owner > of a very > progressive art and design gallery in San Jose, California sent me this > URL today of a couple of > pages of pictures he posted from the Y2K5 festival last October. > > > Brian and his partner are that wonderful match of intelligence, love, > enthusiasm and support for the new arts that seems rather > rare to me anywhere that I travel. If you find yourself in the > Silicon Valley, please check out their wonderful > gallery. > > Anno Domini // the second coming of art and design > 366 So. First Street > San Jose, CA 95113 > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 21:51:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0818A3BEF5; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kFHLfNG37bGWjPgY6iS8TogfCHHVtp4x86ty8j3ToPmeWzxb5wj5SXZZHIurkWy0ri0VQo/jPs+xgQRlLDPWEKSJDU2KGdcLiNQv3SDgC3/pV2MTmv83e+SkN/hgISHBHbFYgzQxnUHxULPI/N4PRFPlS74RwBZrN2H23KeNV/Q= Message-ID: <64b81a780602271350p48c3db0exd261656a619cffa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:50:59 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? In-Reply-To: <022720061936.10945.440354CF000247DD00002AC12200750330CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <022720061936.10945.440354CF000247DD00002AC12200750330CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Just a reminder that with a laptop running Mobius and an Behringer MIDI footcontroller, looping via software need not be a "desktop task". Many musicians around these parts have lately been abandoning large (read heavy) piles of gear for a more portable laptop solution.=20 There are, of course, trade-offs, but like anything the pros & cons must be weighed by the individual. Many discussions along these lines can be found in the LD archive. Stirring the pot, :) Todd On 2/27/06, cburke55@comcast.net wrote: > > Wow! Thanks to EVERYONE for all the input! All your comments have been = inserted into my mental mix. > > I hadn't heard about either the Looperlative or Mobius before and I'll de= finitely do some more research. I spend so much time in front of the damn = computer screen as it is though that I hate the thought of turning music in= to yet another desktop task any more than it has to be, so I am going to be= primarily looking at the dedicated devices. > > Thanks again, and it's nice to meet you all! > > Christophe > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 21:53:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64E03BEF7; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ozjqKjYrDfDoSDZ9FnRuJe0LpjW1yJhxFLg65QL9VvTo0kS8KLniJtqPTC78N4bromPiD392cYbHEphNuMqAIEES8/UC+GVIKph4v/bb6M0PoByW22vykAq/UIjEZZMuFK+A3cDU1zQsqBnOsybvIHsw8C02hFP3Rx7pGAnG8fE= Message-ID: <64b81a780602271352v670ded23qdd5f0a20e0efd89d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:52:59 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background In-Reply-To: <02db01c63bcc$18d7a270$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060227182225.62896.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02db01c63bcc$18d7a270$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:53:01 +0000 (UTC) CSS rocks once you wrap your brain around it. Definitely worth the time to figure it out if you find yourself bored one lazy sunday afternoon. Todd On 2/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I figured it out with Andy's CSS (cascading style sheet) code. I can writ= e > my own HTML code, but I tend to avoid CSS like the plague. In this case, = it > was a necessary evil and did the trick. > > http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=3Duser.viewprofile&friend= id=3D52649860 > > Other than this, I use Dreamweaver for all my normal web work. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 22:07:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DACE83BEF4; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.85.3.66] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex-Inquiring minds want to know.. Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:07:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 22:07:43.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BE112B0:01C63BEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:07:45 +0000 (UTC) I have two Digital Echoplexes. I was wondering if anyone ever tried using chips having memory larger than the 4 meg that is recommended and what success they had? Would it work with the new Aurisis software? Though I am a little late in making upgrades, what is the difference with using parity and non parity chips? Is there any advantage to either? And lastly, what can I expect to get if I use a faster chip (60ns vs 100ns)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 22:14:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02EB73BEDE; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.85.3.66] X-Originating-Email: [tubaczar98@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tubaczar98@hotmail.com From: "David Grego" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex- inquiring minds want to know... Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:14:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 22:14:35.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[30E846C0:01C63BEB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:14:37 +0000 (UTC) I have two Digital Echoplexes. I was wondering if anyone ever tried using chips having memory larger than the 4 meg that is recommended and what success they had? Would it work with the new Aurisis software? Though I am a little late in making upgrades, what is the difference with using parity and non parity chips? Is there any advantage to either? And lastly, what can I expect to get if I use a faster chip (60ns vs 100ns)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 22:51:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BC803BEE4; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:51:13 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4BE48614.7070EBA5.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 81.77.76.157 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, For a long time I've been avoiding using computers for music-making related stuff. I spend all day at the office with PCs running Windows or Linux, and that's quite enough thanks. However, I've got an original Lexicon JamMan, and I started to get a little tired of the limitations of that device (mono, 32 seconds of loop time). The cost of dedicated looping hardware that would be better than the JamMan put me off that approach, and concurrently I was lucky enough to get hold of an old PowerBook (Wallstreet - c. 1998) and started trying Augustus Loop on there - much fun is now being had. I don't use Macs at work, so that awful feeling of going back to work with a PC is skipped, and there is some mighty fine free (or very cheap) software on the go nowadays. It's worth a look, anyway - and you can use a laptop for any number of other things too, if you're trying to justify the cost :) - Tony PS. Has anyone tried More Feedback Machine (from www.u-he.com) ? Any thoughts ? I've downloaded it but haven't had much of a chance to play yet ... "Todd Pafford" wrote: [ sage advice about PCs & Möbius) __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 27 22:53:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4C7E3BEEE; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:53:11 +0000 Message-Id: <022720062253.27394.440382D700083D8300006B022205889116CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Todd! :-)) I know that software is doing it all and mostly better these days.. I guess there's still like something I like about that physical black box sitting there. In my heart of hearts, I fantasize that it's analog. ;-) Greetings from Boston! Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 00:11:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35BFE3BEE4; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rlo/MnZHXC2gbrt33PEJVYrvzv12iofx9Y1Ryh6738f1Obd5nhV0//D1xY4zRqyU/o8Gh97Utv3PNd7/a5ps3aAU9I0TKxDTSiKkMMNXrffLMnfi7IDaaZNBJDjBbGmV7pQofmNqkpls9XWkKsbWW1BcSP8tyA/cEnXCIps2f48= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770602271611r2b5adc95k4469921b090f0688@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:11:17 -0500 From: "Christopher Bell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: JOSE GONZALES In-Reply-To: <00d901c63a50$a64e6cb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00d901c63a50$a64e6cb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:11:24 +0000 (UTC) I'll see him on tour in late March and I'll write to let you know what he's got going on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 02:37:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B5483BEF3; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bOG89oMf6+l8P0WVdL9WSMT3fMyvZn/PG8KnLUixrXyXkaO9dLseacbcwyzWyZJTvVWoTkQ4pdyM0/X6oMcOvFNncpxP14PS4gsZa2+Ukoon9F+lzUNOQgYgTGq1co+yqPaw76U2zWJ8h3YymKJakfMbdx0YhOM9kURHOAmY264= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730602271837lc0c5216v114a6a9139122a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:37:25 -0500 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Line 6 DL4 for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9657_1715810.1141094245475" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:37:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9657_1715810.1141094245475 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Greetings all... I am selling another Line 6 DL4. $200 includes shipping in US. I never gigged this unit out, rather, this was one of the studio units. I a= m relocating to NY and need to thin down for the move. This unit is in perfect condition...switche= s work fine, sounds great, and there are no blemishes or scuff marks on it. It does not come with the optional AC Adapter or Expression Pedal. Email me offline if interested. If I do not hear anything in 5 days, I will put it on eBay. Thanks! Clint Allen clint.allen@gmail.com ------=_Part_9657_1715810.1141094245475 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Greetings all...

I am selling another Line 6 DL4. $200 includes shipping in US.

I never gigged this unit out, rather, this was one of the studio units. I a= m relocating to NY and
need to thin down for the move. This unit is in perfect condition...switche= s work
fine, sounds great, and there are no blemishes or scuff marks on it.

It does not come with the optional AC Adapter or Expression Pedal.

Email me offline if interested. If I do not hear anything in 5 days, I will= put it on eBay.

Thanks!
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------=_Part_9657_1715810.1141094245475-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 08:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 961EC3BEE7; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Stevenson" To: Subject: RE: echoplex- inquiring minds want to know... Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:36:16 +1000 Message-ID: <004101c63c42$0e232450$0301010a@Rickus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at snapgear.com Resent-Message-ID: <9udPfD.A.C0B.RuABEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:36:33 +0000 (UTC) > I have two Digital Echoplexes. I was wondering if anyone ever > tried using chips having memory larger than the 4 meg that is recommended > and what success they had? Would it work with the new Aurisis > software? I haven't tried it, but the FAQ says that 16MB (4 x 4MB) is the max memory. I expect that the circuitry required to decode additional address space was never designed into the device. > Though I am a little late in making upgrades, what is the difference with > using parity and non parity chips? Is there any advantage to either? The FAQ says that either is fine. The advantage of parity memory is that you can detect some (but not all) memory errors. Even if the EDP has parity error detect circuitry (unlikely) this won't have any real benefit. Errors should be so rare that you would never notice them, or so frequent (bad SIMM) that you'll hear them all the time. > And lastly, what can I expect to get if I use a faster chip (60ns vs 100ns)? Well, that is a 5/3 speed ratio, so the pitch of the notes coming out will be raised by a sixth... Sorry, just kidding :) Faster memory will work exactly the same as the slower memory. The bandwidth of any 30-pin SIMM should be way faster than needed to store and replay audio. The EDP FAQ is at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ1.html Cheers, Rick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 08:50:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B893BEF7; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060228005046.04fac220@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:54:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? In-Reply-To: <20060227175425.CB979CA0BC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060227175425.CB979CA0BC@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:50:15 +0000 (UTC) At 09:54 AM 2/27/2006, joe rut wrote: >One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of gain >staging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that issue over >the years >and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being that my >sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face Oberheim EDPs). Joe, you probably have much older units that never had the gain mod done? http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 New units have this gain structure that addresses the problems you talk about. They also have a limiter that prevents clipping the loop. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 08:57:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A0023BEF8; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060228005606.04387848@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:02:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex- inquiring minds want to know... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_xMDOC.A.BiC.UCBBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:57:57 +0000 (UTC) At 02:14 PM 2/27/2006, David Grego wrote: >I have two Digital Echoplexes. I was wondering if anyone ever tried using >chips having memory larger than the 4 meg that is recommended and what >success they had? It can't use anything bigger. > Would it work with the new Aurisis software? Though I am a little late > in making upgrades, what is the difference with using parity and non > parity chips? nothing. It works either way. With parity you have an extra chip doing nothing but using power, maybe that's a reason to get non-parity. It doesn't matter for operation. > Is there any advantage to either? And lastly, what can I expect to get > if I use a faster chip (60ns vs 100ns)? no difference. there is a faq: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ1.html#simms Although any 4MB 30-pin simms should work, we did find there was some batches of "8 chip" or "9 chip" simms out there recently that seemed to cause occasional crashes. So that is something to beware of. The "3 chip" or "2 chip" variety are no problem. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 11:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1505D3BEFB; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:12:08 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: RE: Do I need that EDP? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Looks to me like you need some sort of bypass device - a Boss Line Selector or passive, true bypass box - to take the EDP out of circuit when you aren't using it. Nik -----Original Message----- From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of gain staging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that issue over the years and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being that my sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face Oberheim EDPs). Being more of an old-school-guitar-into-tube amp-equals-tone type guy, I've struggled off and on with my EDPs as tone-suck culprits. Here's the issue as I see it: A large part of the sound I want to hear is the sound of my amp "breaking up" as my guitar signal hits the preamp stage of a Fender tube amp. Any pedals that change the way that signal hits the amp are going to change the tone. When going through an EDP, I have met an unwinnable fight in trying to balance the loss of gain through the EDP vs. the noise produced by the EDP. Through proper gain staging (setting of input and output levels on the EDP), I can minimize the problem, but not make it disappear. I do not feel it is possible to simultaneously A) not distort the input, B) have a quiet loop with no hiss added by the EDP, and C) still have a full gain signal hit the amp. I can get the loop hiss under control, but there goes my amp tone. I can get the amp screaming, but either deal with hiss or digital distortion, depending on whether I'm leaning towards the input or output of the EDP. Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube amp tone issues probably don't care about this issue. If you have an amp modeler or something BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super clean power amp just to amplify your signal, you may never even notice this. But if you are trying to use the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound (like most guitar sounds from the 1940's through the present), the EDP can be frustrating. Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They are an amazing tool. This is just one thing to think about. Cheers Joe Rut -- ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 12:36:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 035DD3BEF4; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1141130213!8497327!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8EB7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: using different outputs on repeater Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:36:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C63C63.A6FAA1F0" Resent-Message-ID: <4TFRrC.A.UFD.nPEBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:36:56 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63C63.A6FAA1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I think the "no direct output" function actually is called "Mute Input Signal" or something like that, in the Repeater manual. I always muted the input signal and used my Repeater in an effect chain, very much due to the latency of the 'direct through signal' when you plug your signal into the front input.<< "dry-mute" (& it says "dry muted" when you engage it). hold "stop" & "overdub"...... the only thing I was looking forward to on the new repeater, which seems to be taking forever to appear, was the retention of this setting on power-down. I always forget to re-engage it on power-up & end up having to stop the machine (because of the aforementioned key combination) to do this. I think there's a midi command for it.... which one could add to a set-up salvo from a sequencer....... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>I think the "no direct output" function= actually is called "Mute 
Input Signal" or something like that, in the Repeat= er manual. I 
always muted the input signal and used my Repeater in an= effect 
chain, very much due to the latency of the 'direct throu= gh signal' 
when you plug your signal into the front input.<<<= /FONT>

"dry-mute" (& it says "dry muted"= when you engage it). hold "stop" & "overdub"......= the only thing I was looking forward to on the new repeater, which seems t= o be taking forever to appear, was the retention of this setting on power-d= own. I always forget to re-engage it on power-up & end up having to sto= p the machine (because of the aforementioned key combination) to do this. I= think there's a midi command for it.... which one could add to a set-up sa= lvo from a sequencer.......

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C63C63.A6FAA1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 12:57:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79F823BEEE; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1141131451!22119690!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8EB8@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Project for Smart People (i.e Loopers) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:57:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C63C66.8724BB60" Resent-Message-ID: <2C8gCD.A.N3D.9iEBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:57:34 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63C66.8724BB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Project One: Build an open and close (cymbal 1) and next loop momentary (cymbal 2) switch that would sit underneath a crash cymbal so a drummer could control a loop jam by naturally crashing on the one. << could you use kraftwerk-style metal drumsticks to effect a contact closure? you could have a metal tip on one end of each stick, & not the other, so you wouldn't always be operating the switch. a bit tricky on a real kit though, especially if the cymbals are on the rack with the toms..... or.... a piezo trigger system attached to the underside of the bell, out of the way but close enough to be set off by a good hard ping or crash. the trigger could be armed & disarmed by a footswitch adjacent either to the drummer or to a nearby colleague, so as to not limit the use of the cymbal. similarly, it's purpose (i.e. what the trigger does) could be changed by the same arrangement. this concept could be extended to work with multiple triggers around the kit using existing & proven trigger technology, adapted to be armed & disarmed by other switchgear as required. slightly more 21st century- I bet this would be a good application for bluetooth..... the entire drumstick would be covered with level-sensitive trigger pickups..... depending what you hit, & with which end of which stick, & how hard, different midi commands would be generated..... what I would do if it was my band that needed this: I have a roland spd-8 drumpads thing. the drummer would hit this &, aswell as triggering a nice loud sample of whatever noise he wants, it would also operate something else via midi. not as satisfying as whacking a cymbal, granted.... I toyed with the idea of mapping the pad's note numbers onto the tap-tempo commands in something (I think the repeater supports these coming in as notes...), but the thought of all the delays & sequencers lurching uncontrollably if something went awry..... it would work well-enough for one-shot commands though. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63C66.8724BB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 >> Project One:
Build an open and close (cymbal 1) and next loop momentary (cymbal 2) switch that would sit underneath a crash cymbal so a drummer could control a loop jam by naturally crashing on the one. <<
 
could you use kraftwerk-style metal drumsticks to effect a contact closure? you could have a metal tip on one end of each stick, & not the other, so you wouldn't always be operating the switch. a bit tricky on a real kit though, especially if the cymbals are on the rack with the toms.....
 
or.... a piezo trigger system attached to the underside of the bell, out of the way but close enough to be set off by a good hard ping or crash. the trigger could be armed & disarmed by a footswitch adjacent either to the drummer or to a nearby colleague, so as to not limit the use of the cymbal. similarly, it's purpose (i.e. what the trigger does) could be changed by the same arrangement.
this concept could be extended to work with multiple triggers around the kit using existing & proven trigger technology, adapted to be armed & disarmed by other switchgear as required.
 
slightly more 21st century- I bet this would be a good application for bluetooth..... the entire drumstick would be covered with level-sensitive trigger pickups..... depending what you hit, & with which end of which stick, & how hard, different midi commands would be generated..... 
 
what I would do if it was my band that needed this: I have a roland spd-8 drumpads thing. the drummer would hit this &, aswell as triggering a nice loud sample of whatever noise he wants, it would also operate something else via midi. not as satisfying as whacking a cymbal, granted....
 
I toyed with the idea of mapping the pad's note numbers onto the tap-tempo commands in something (I think the repeater supports these coming in as notes...), but the thought of all the delays & sequencers lurching uncontrollably if something went awry.....  it would work well-enough for one-shot commands though.
 
duncan.  


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C63C66.8724BB60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4921A3BEE0; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Feb 2006 15:16:16 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:16:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060228151611.06EA7E5BC8@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0f_qWB.A.ptC.LlGBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Kim- Older units, yes, but I've done the gain mod in my tone-quest. Certainly i= mproved things, although noisy/hissy loop problem not addressed by mod. I'm= =20 going to try to track down a newer unit just to a/b it with my EDPs. I'd b= e curious to see the difference. Thanks. Joe Rut Kim Flint wrote. >=20 > Joe, >=20 > you probably have much older units that never had the gain mod done? > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 >=20 > New units have this gain structure that addresses the problems you=20 > talk about. They also have a limiter that prevents clipping the=20 > loop. >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:24:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8549C3BEF1; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lKFNJjnR4Ubu4XaZn2Ht1WDp+tGVUYRDO6DpqGJENtZtBUQgaYEq8xyXEN/K7qPb5fFiBQzD3TpjXp/gZPPGQHUkpdoCsKYHUVVkF9gjZgmAb75zLrgl0fOv8ZM4vZ9NpX0pydAvrautVT0T9RxCemhUkMWU1/QeyiocBPrOHwo= ; Message-ID: <20060228152441.17093.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:24:41 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060228151611.06EA7E5BC8@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0shZS.A.EfE.6sGBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Hey Joe! I owned an Oberheim as well and did all the possible mods but i can only tell you that the newer units still sound better and more tolerant to higher gain, the internal limiter seems to be better. Cheers Luis --- joe rut wrote: > Kim- > > Older units, yes, but I've done the gain mod in my > tone-quest. Certainly improved things, although > noisy/hissy loop problem not addressed by mod. I'm > going to try to track down a newer unit just to a/b > it with my EDPs. I'd be curious to see the > difference. Thanks. > > Joe Rut > > > Kim Flint wrote. > > > > Joe, > > > > you probably have much older units that never had > the gain mod done? > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 > > > > New units have this gain structure that addresses > the problems you > > talk about. They also have a limiter that prevents > clipping the > > loop. > > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone > number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:29:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7833BEF4; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:29:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20060228152441.17093.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0DC86B44-A86F-11DA-9218-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: <-kAPDC.A.neF.WxGBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:29:26 +0000 (UTC) I found this to be true too. On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, at 07:24 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > Hey Joe! > I owned an Oberheim as well and did all the possible > mods but i can only tell you that the newer units > still sound better and more tolerant to higher gain, > the internal limiter seems to be better. > Cheers > Luis > > --- joe rut wrote: > >> Kim- >> >> Older units, yes, but I've done the gain mod in my >> tone-quest. Certainly improved things, although >> noisy/hissy loop problem not addressed by mod. I'm >> going to try to track down a newer unit just to a/b >> it with my EDPs. I'd be curious to see the >> difference. Thanks. >> >> Joe Rut >> >> >> Kim Flint wrote. >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> you probably have much older units that never had >> the gain mod done? >>> >> > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 >>> >>> New units have this gain structure that addresses >> the problems you >>> talk about. They also have a limiter that prevents >> clipping the >>> loop. >>> >>> kim >>> >>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>> kflint@loopers-delight.com | >> http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Search for businesses by name, location, or phone >> number. -Lycos Yellow Pages >> >> > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 15:42:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25C983BF05; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <24f.7261155.3135c962@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:42:26 EST Subject: edp volume surge To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24f.7261155.3135c962_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_24f.7261155.3135c962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable big sky greetings, i wanted to try posting this again, as i didn't receive any responses the=20 first time........ a strange phenomenon using my edp.=A0 i have the unit plugged into a furman=20 power conditioner in a small rack.=A0 midi cord connected to berringher midi= =20 pedal.=A0 midi cord is always plugged into edp, when performing i then plug=20= other end=20 of midi cord into pedal. if i turn the edp on via the power conditioner befo= re=20 i hook up to the pedal as described, i get a huge surge in volume when i go=20 to overdub on top of a loop.=A0 laying down a single loop is not an issue.= =A0 the=20 solution i've used is to turn the edp off and then on again, after the initi= al=20 startup.=A0 once that's done it all works peachy. it's not a huge issue as long as i remember to restart the unit, but a=20 performance yesterday when i forgot to do that reminded me to ask if anyone=20= else has=20 had this issue. big sky farewell, john floridis --part1_24f.7261155.3135c962_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable big sky greetings,

i wanted to try posting this again, as i didn't receive any responses the fi= rst time........

a strange phenomenon using my edp.=A0 i have the unit plugged into a furman=20= power conditioner in a small rack.=A0 midi cord connected to berringher midi= pedal.=A0 midi cord is always plugged into edp, when performing i then plug= other end of midi cord into pedal. if i turn the edp on via the power condi= tioner before i hook up to the pedal as described, i get a huge surge in vol= ume when i go to overdub on top of a loop.=A0 laying down a single loop is n= ot an issue.=A0 the solution i've used is to turn the edp off and then on ag= ain, after the initial startup.=A0 once that's done it all works peachy.

it's not a huge issue as long as i remember to restart the unit, but a perfo= rmance yesterday when i forgot to do that reminded me to ask if anyone else=20= has had this issue.

big sky farewell,
john floridis --part1_24f.7261155.3135c962_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED4803BEDD; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:11:55 -0600 Subject: Original lexicon Jam Man for sale From: Chris Beaty To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Hello there, I am selling my Lexicon Jam Man (32 meg expanded) and my Rolls Midi Wizard (which has been modified to receive power from the Jam man, Via midi). I am including the original foot switch, photocopy of the maual and power supply for both units. Asking price $400 I'd like to sell the unit to this community, as this is the best forum for looping available, and this device would be put to good use. Pix available. Thanks, Chris ctb@visi.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:33:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218653BEFB; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8C80AA42F7321F0-180-37B@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> From: mistergyro@aol.com References: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C80AA42F7321F0_180_39F_FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.195 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_oHmQ.A.fxH.mlIBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:26 +0000 (UTC) ----------MailBlocks_8C80AA42F7321F0_180_39F_FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes..I was wondering this as well....Can anyone help? -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:10:56 -0700 Subject: changing your MySpace background can anyone tell me how to change the background color of my MySpace page? I don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the whole background. I just can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you had a uniform background on your page. I can't find the damn link and option that allows me to do this! K- ----------MailBlocks_8C80AA42F7321F0_180_39F_FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Yes..I was wondering this as well....Can anyone help? 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:10:56 -0700
Subject: changing your MySpace background

can anyone tell me how to change the background color of my MySpace page? I don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the whole background. I just can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you had a uniform background on your page. I can't find the damn link and option that allows me to do this! 
 
K-  
----------MailBlocks_8C80AA42F7321F0_180_39F_FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 17:54:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C45C63BEF7; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <023801c63c90$1050dd50$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8C80AA42F7321F0-180-37B@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:54:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0235_01C63C55.63454A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Jpegs in urls=1.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.andybutler.com) (http://www.andybut) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 485, in=226907, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:54:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C63C55.63454A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope Andy doesn't mind if I share his CSS code. See below. You would = want to insert your own URL to a background image. To change the color = of your linked text, you'll need to change the code after "a {color:" in = the last section). Worked great for me! Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mistergyro@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background Yes..I was wondering this as well....Can anyone help?=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:10:56 -0700 Subject: changing your MySpace background can anyone tell me how to change the background color of my MySpace = page? I don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the whole = background. I just can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you had = a uniform background on your page. I can't find the damn link and option = that allows me to do this!=20 =20 K- =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C63C55.63454A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope Andy doesn't mind if I share his = CSS code.=20 See below. You would want to insert your own URL to a background image. = To=20 change the color of your linked text, you'll need to change the code = after "a=20 {color:" in the last section).
 
Worked great for me!
 
Kris
 
 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, = 2006 10:33=20 AM
Subject: Re: changing your = MySpace=20 background

Yes..I was wondering this as well....Can anyone=20 help? 
 
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Sent:=20 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:10:56 -0700
Subject: changing your MySpace=20 background

can anyone tell = me how to=20 change the background color of my MySpace page? I don't mean just the = bio/info=20 page either, but the whole background. I just can't seem to figure it = out.=20 Andy, I noticed you had a uniform background on your page. I can't = find the=20 damn link and option that allows me to do this! 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C63C55.63454A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 18:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88BF23BEFE; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=biIagAgxFsTTTH0MGK5CpzemoDLZLd+Jfm0/SnZUn89OXbFD3uIkMFjr8XRJE8yOcPRYG78IdzURCITMyWPAJhHJGM8V5POvqKX3/nnH2SaU+C5ar3hnrHoEivVx7JjhXocoALKaKRGz0H0Dmu/0jHK0nMvTfco3wPZImMizL1M= ; Message-ID: <20060228180725.34408.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:07:25 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: using different outputs on repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060227193549.9DFD33BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-SirpC.A._cC.eFJBEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC) > Depending on > the type of your effect send you may, or you may not, run the > repeater in "no direct output" mode. It's called "Dry Muted" mode. Pressing stop and overdub at the same time gets you there. > but as I remember the Repeater there is one specific > configuration where you can not use both the front and back side > inputs at the same time, but why don't you just try it out? Plugging anything into the front input cuts the rear main inputs. Perhaps you meant the FX return inputs? If so, then yes, that will work. Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 18:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD1A3BF00; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GgOEFP94P8pIxTCL/PVcWi/9vWU6DOKoUfuPg3ADnSeisR4hBpACRFvumFqvSYJ8V3WsZq/x70b19NiETx/Zkc2WoUwOPTH43o9/Tr6gdcPOTBuJJoI3PN9hCmAcAnaAjBFvy55hKSbUR/4qBFr1mZNMcgSFJL1FF1+zlZRWaSs= ; Message-ID: <20060228180931.36310.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: nemogtr THANKS! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060227193549.9DFD33BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:09:33 +0000 (UTC) scott hansen wrote: ...and i think 1/2 the fun is coming up w/ packaging (puts that mfa in pntg to use i guess).... You have an MFA in poontang? Dude, where did you go to school? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 19:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44D793BEFC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VTtcbacXNrA9EdzmNM6Jrfe+k0yFBLbyQzSX8U22TSM6F2iVaTPVRvYKBb2ePoCBcVueydf5W8pl+dqHvyvjU+GciyYJXuqwO0f0yE/zMDeFNE+8ZmgN+P/PT6FtDDwejrm5atSsExRAAR7cZWyFFNH+ZmXQHJe3PzH893C9NgU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:05:36 -0800 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: changing your MySpace background In-Reply-To: <023801c63c90$1050dd50$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01b901c63b53$d0f8f9e0$49c0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8C80AA42F7321F0-180-37B@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> <023801c63c90$1050dd50$7ac0f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Try this: http://www.picgames.com/forum/myspace-layout-editor.php > > can anyone tell me how to change the background color of my MySpace page?= I > don't mean just the bio/info page either, but the whole background. I jus= t > can't seem to figure it out. Andy, I noticed you had a uniform background= on > your page. I can't find the damn link and option that allows me to do thi= s! > > K- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 20:15:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F029D3BEF8; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=N7AOBRahrqOUlgJ35b9ovCefeW+5BEFsP+/2i9AeYI2Y/1gmDbgk1hfR2cz2lgTq; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:14:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? From: stanitarium To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4828b8edb796d513f8da1bf8b62bc22ad4b3d6b29ebf2fd88f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.222.116 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:15:11 +0000 (UTC) hmmm...missed that original post. i am an OLDSCHOOL tube amp guitar player-and have always had a hellofa time tryin to get these looper thanggs in the signal path and still (ab)use all the traits of a tube amp. finally found amps that had trustworthy tube efx loops. once i put the edp or any other rack looper in there-the clean sounds and signal levels of the looper were maintained while yer guitar is still going straight to the front of the amp for all the richness and distortion or whatever else that combination brings... it takes a lot of tweaking and matching levels but once you get it-its the best of both worlds-imo stan on 2/28/06 3:12 AM, Fluke at fluke@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: > Looks to me like you need some sort of bypass device - a Boss Line Selector > or passive, true bypass box - to take the EDP out of circuit when you aren't > using it. > Nik > -----Original Message----- > From: joe rut [mailto:joerut@lycos.com] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Do I need that EDP? > One issue that has gone around a few times on this list is that of gain > staging in the EDP. I've held a few different opinions on that issue over > the years > and presently think there is still a problem there (a caveat being that my > sample group consists of my 2 older model beige face Oberheim EDPs). > > Being more of an old-school-guitar-into-tube amp-equals-tone type guy, I've > struggled off and on with my EDPs as tone-suck culprits. Here's the issue > as I see it: A large part of the sound I want to hear is the sound of my > amp "breaking up" as my guitar signal hits the preamp stage of a Fender tube > amp. Any pedals that change the way that signal hits the amp are going to > change the tone. When going through an EDP, I have met an unwinnable > fight in trying to balance the loss of gain through the EDP vs. the noise > produced by the EDP. Through proper gain staging (setting of input and > output > levels on the EDP), I can minimize the problem, but not make it disappear. > I do not feel it is possible to simultaneously A) not distort the input, B) > have a > quiet loop with no hiss added by the EDP, and C) still have a full gain > signal hit the amp. I can get the loop hiss under control, but there goes > my amp > tone. I can get the amp screaming, but either deal with hiss or digital > distortion, depending on whether I'm leaning towards the input or output of > the > EDP. > > Loopers who are not concerned with old-school tube amp tone issues probably > don't care about this issue. If you have an amp modeler or something > BEFORE the EDP and are then going into a super clean power amp just to > amplify your signal, you may never even notice this. But if you are trying > to use > the tone of your amp as a big part of your sound (like most guitar sounds > from the 1940's through the present), the EDP can be frustrating. > > Don't get me wrong. I still love my EDPs. They are an amazing tool. This > is just one thing to think about. > > Cheers > > Joe Rut > > -- > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 22:14:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597703BEDA; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: DD20 or DL-4 In-Reply-To: References: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:14:49 +0000 (UTC) I want to give a looper as a birthday present to a relative. He plays bass and keyboards. He recently started playing electric guitar again after a break of several years. I don't have a lot of money to spend. Both the DL-4 and the Boss DD-20 are $200 at the corner store. That's as much as I can spend right now. What should I give him? TIA, Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 22:32:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C60B93BEF3; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730602271837lc0c5216v114a6a9139122a1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2fb9e4730602271837lc0c5216v114a6a9139122a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:33:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Magazine Watch... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Surprised nobody else has bird-dogged these yet, but... There's a four-page spread specifically on Looping, starting page 62 in the February 2006 (#96) issue of UK's Computer Music magazine. It's currently on the stands now in the US, but we get it a month behind the Brits. More on the magazine at http://www.computermusic.co.uk As is their typical writing style, the first two pages are dedicated to the background and explanation of the technique, while the last two are a guided tutorial showing you how to do it yourself. The Looping overview is pretty good, incorporating a brief history as well as some useful basic techniques for which Looping is used and a boxout on recommend listening. Not only is there a prominent mention of Looper's Delight in the overview section, but there's even a thumbnail graphic of the LD homepage (FYI side-note to Kim: you really can't read a darn thing on the webpage if it's shrunk down -- other than the fact that you're a supporter of Sonic Foundry). The tutorial actually uses Loopy Llama ( http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 ) from our own Chris Kline. There's also a boxout on free Looping software available on the net which features, amongst others, blurbs on Jeff Larson's Mobius ( http://www.zonemobius.com ), the aforementioned Loopy Llama, and Expert Sleepers' Meringue ( http://www.expertsleepers.co.uk ). They include a side-mention of Os' Augustus Loop as well, but since the focus of the boxout is "free software" I don't think they could really focus on that one in particular. And in other magazine news, the current issue of Musicworks (Issue 93, Fall 2005) has a very nice two-column review of the Ambient Ping events frequently posted here. More information on the magazine is available at http://www.musicworks.ca , while you can find out more on the Ping at http://www.ambientping.com --m. -- _______ " I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 22:33:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4470F3BEEE; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:33:15 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c63cb6$f7b29c30$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> Thread-Index: AcY8tGQ6nGN0DAfGQQaCVVanZvATnQAACHVQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:33:21 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to summarize the advantages/disadvantages of both in a few lines - but I'm sure that there are others that can tell you a lot more (especially about the DD20 - got mine last Saturday). DL4: + loop start/stop/halfspeed/reverse function (in General, better UI for looping) + big choice of outstanding vintage and novel delay models + expression pedal option + models can be adjusted in many ways - limited delay time (a few seconds, only half the amount in reverse mode) - size - feedback can't be adjusted in looper mode - no "dry mute" in looper mode DD20: + 23s delay time in all delay modes + (46s with tricks) + two delay effects possible simultaneously + display - very limited transport controls for looping - no "dry mute" at all - feedback can't be adjusted in looper mode - not all delay modes seem to reach feedback=100% (not really sure about this one...) I personally did a lot of crazy stuff with the DL4. Some of its delay models can be set to feedback values >100% and shape the sound in a very unique way; I used to use it as an instrument rather than for treating other instruments. Having an expression pedal which can (at least in theory) control any of the dials (except model selection) is great. Apart from some interesting vintage delay models, some of their "originals" are stunning (Sweep). And having reverse, halfspeed and stutter/play once options sets it apart from all competitors in this price range. The biggest disadvantage for me would be the limited delay time in its delay modes. It's enough for your standard kind of delay, but not for, say, a whole bar or something. I'm fairly new to the DD20, so can't say that much about it. I couldn't really warm to some of its new and unique delay models. The looper mode (here called "Sound on Sound") is kinda limited compared to the DL4, mostly because of its limited transport functions (you can't even stop the loop once you've started it). The greatest thing about it is the long delay time in all modes, plus the fact that you can select a new delay while the old one still continues to sound - hi there, odd meters vs. other odd meters ;) So much for that, feel free to ask additional questions (or wait for others to chime in and correct me). It might also help if you told us a little bit about your relative. Rainer > I want to give a looper as a birthday present to a relative. > He plays bass and keyboards. He recently started playing > electric guitar again after a break of several years. I > don't have a lot of money to spend. Both the DL-4 and the > Boss DD-20 are $200 at the corner store. That's as much as I > can spend right now. What should I give him? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 22:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 535C83BEEE; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAOlZBESHNSw Message-ID: <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:39:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-0, 27/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:39:56 +0000 (UTC) >From the organic live-looping perspective, I'd recommend the DL4 over a DD20. I never have to think about the hardware when I loop with a DL4, thus allowing me to concentrate purely on the music. Its virtually indestructable, concise, has loads of cool delay sounds for when not in loop mode (although there is a simple <500ms delay availible in loop mode)... I've only ever used the DD20 a couple of times, and found it a much more clinical type of looper. It is a more dedicated device, allowing you to save loops etc...., but for some reason it just didn't work for me, but a guitarist I know swears by it (He uses it for pre-recorded backing loops). ... not a structured response, but purely my biased opinion :) - Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 23:17:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CD553BEDC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:17:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:17:23 +0000 (UTC) I agree, the DL-4 is one of the most intuitive looping devices going, coupled with the ability to use an expression pedal to control any or all front panel knob parameters, making it an incredibly versatile and sophisticated sound mangler. The only knocks I can make on it are well documented on this blog site. I recently had my newer DL4 upgraded by Keeley electronics to clean up the noise floor, cure the slight drop in volume when engaged, I wish I knew someone who could expand the memory a bit. But the ability to toggle between record speeds, or reverse speeds (a little trickier) while in record mode is what sets it apart from other similar priced loopers. If I were doing a steady jazz gig where I wanted to play backing tracks I could see the appeal, of something with memory storage, but, to me, the appeal of looping lies in the spontaneity of creating the parts live and doing as little canned stuff as possible, preferably none. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:loopersdelight@swyatt.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 >From the organic live-looping perspective, I'd recommend the DL4 over a DD20. I never have to think about the hardware when I loop with a DL4, thus allowing me to concentrate purely on the music. Its virtually indestructable, concise, has loads of cool delay sounds for when not in loop mode (although there is a simple <500ms delay availible in loop mode)... I've only ever used the DD20 a couple of times, and found it a much more clinical type of looper. It is a more dedicated device, allowing you to save loops etc...., but for some reason it just didn't work for me, but a guitarist I know swears by it (He uses it for pre-recorded backing loops). ... not a structured response, but purely my biased opinion :) - Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 23:36:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73DCA3BEE2; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> References: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:36:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:36:23 +0000 (UTC) At 10:39 PM +0000 2/28/06, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > >I've only ever used the DD20 a couple of times, and found it a much >more clinical type of looper. It is a more dedicated device, >allowing you to save loops etc...., but for some reason it just >didn't work for me, but a guitarist I know swears by it (He uses it >for pre-recorded backing loops). Stuart, are you sure you're not mixing up the DD-20 with the RC-20? The DD-20 is the Boss GigaDelay 23-second digital delay, and it won't save loops. The RC-20 is their "Loop Station" and will save loops to memory. And like you said, I agree that the RC-20 seems much more "clinical", but others seem to really like it. --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 28 23:41:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41CF93BEDC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAOpoBESHNCw Message-ID: <007401c63cc0$796c0eb0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060228111206.258F425245B@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20060228171712.007e8cc0@pop.mindspring.com> <006301c63cb7$e52affc0$0200a8c0@DOWNSTAIRS> Subject: Re: DD20 or DL-4 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:41:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0609-0, 27/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:41:19 +0000 (UTC) > Stuart, are you sure you're not mixing up the DD-20 with the RC-20? On reflection..., I think I am :)



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-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 = 10:12=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: sing=20 this loop along with me

II: here = we go steelers=20 here we go:II.....i was not allowed to watch the last several games = because my=20 family considers me a BAD LUCK kind of guy.....i didn't watch and here = the=20 steelers are at the supper bowl.....is there a connection? = hmmmmm!.....what to=20 do tamri!!!!!.....i looped my brains (what's left of them) out during = the last=20 few games.....perhaps i will just fire up the ol "sonic boombalator" = and loop=20 on out and catch the results on the news.....if truth be told, i find = all=20 sports pretty boreing anyway, except for olympic = walking!.....:)m=20