From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 00:07:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB4993BED9; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06e301c60e67$66fe73d0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: New Year's Day CD Release: Xperimentus (from Looper's Delight members) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:07:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06E0_01C60E2C.B9F467B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispen) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 91, in=53842, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:07:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06E0_01C60E2C.B9F467B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year all you Greenwich Mean Time + Loopers! I am excited to announce the release of yet another collection of songs = by Looper's Delight players. This is the official release of = "Xperimentus," an experimental, improvisational, and avant-garde = collaboration CD that features pieces from the following Looper's = Delight members: a.. Krispen Hartung (USA) - Acoustic & electric guitars, sitar, sound = engineering, and Xperimentus project management=20 b.. David Coffin (USA) - Guitar=20 c.. Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums=20 d.. Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar=20 e.. Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar=20 f.. Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar=20 g.. Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics=20 h.. Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic = Drums=20 i.. Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar=20 j.. LooperSDF (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound composer/ACID=20 k.. Ted Killian (USA) - Guitar=20 l.. Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar=20 m.. Vincent Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion=20 n.. Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of = electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics I want to publically extend a HUGE "thank you" to all the above members = of this project. It was truly an honor for me to record these works with = such creative and inspiring musicians. This was a true collaboration and = example of efficient teamwork, from selecting the recording approach of = each song, to the artwork provided by David Coffin and Paul Mimlitsch. View the project datasheet for Xperimentus, which reveals the = architecture and pre-planning behind the project: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/Xperimentus.htm Buy the CD or view more information (including song info, musician = bios/pictures, sound clips, etc) here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus (In most cases, you may also = buy the CD directly from one of the above members, if you live in the = same location.) Buy directly on CD Baby at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/krispen4 (we would = appreciate any of your reviews on this page as well) Xperimentus Krispen Hartung & Friends More Information Xperimentus is a series of experimental and avant-garde compositions by = Krispen Hartung and 13 other musicians from the international Looper's = Delight discussion group and community. Each composition is a duo = composed virtually and in collaboration over the internet by Hartung and = these amazingly creative and awe-inspiring musicians from the U.S., = Belgium, Norway, Italy, UK, and Germany. Xperimentus is a unique blend = of personalities and multiple playing styles that fuses electronic, = experimental, and avant-garde music into a delightful collage of music = art.=20 Reviews "Magic Cosmic Sounds - With Xperimentus, Krispen Hartung has incredibly = woven together a disparate array of cosmic sounds into one magic carpet = sure to take you on a ride through the astral plane. This collaboration = of global musicians is surprisingly cohesive considering the method in = which it was created, mostly through virtual cooperation with 13 other = musicians. The songs on this disc seem to arise from the ether and spill = forth a delicious series of notes that mesmerize the listener then slip = back suddenly into the dimension from which they came." - Michelle = Morris (Writer and Photographer) 30 Second Sample MP3 Clips Also at http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus=20 Stream all clips: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/xperimentus.m3u Clanger Meets the Multiman David Coffin & K. Hartung=20 Dante's Nursery Scott Hansen & K. Hartung A Taste of Neverness Simeon Harris & K. Hartung La Dimensione Onirica Del Sig. Fellini Fabio Anile & K. Hartung An Evening with the Greys Mark Francombe & K. Hartung A Most Absurd Landscape Benoit Ruelle & K. Hartung When the Long Shadows Fall Tony K & K. Hartung Duologue Paul Mimlitsch & K. Hartung A Drive on the Darkside of Ananda Clint Allen & K. Hartung Mysterious Traveler Sony Felberg & K. Hartung To Be Determined Ted Killian & K. Hartung Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo Vincent Miresse & K. Hartung Shotgun Mulligan Rainer Straschill & Members from the Above Copyright =A9 2006, Krispen Hartung Records & Members of Xperimentus *************************************************************************= *************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm ------=_NextPart_000_06E0_01C60E2C.B9F467B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy New Year all you Greenwich = Mean Time +=20 Loopers!

I am excited=20 to announce the = release of yet=20 another collection of songs by Looper's Delight players. This = is=20 the official release of "Xperimentus," an=20 experimental, = improvisational, and=20 avant-garde collaboration CD that features pieces from the = following Looper's=20 Delight members:
  • Krispen Hartung (USA) - Acoustic & electric = guitars,=20 sitar, sound engineering, and Xperimentus=20 project management
  • David Coffin (USA) - Guitar
  • Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys = and a bit of=20 drums
  • Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar
  • Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar
  • Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar
  • Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics =
  • Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, = Bongos,=20 Electronic Drums
  • Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar =
  • LooperSDF (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound = composer/ACID=20
  • Ted Killian (USA) - Guitar
  • Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar
  • Vincent Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion =
  • Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill=20 (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, = whimsical=20 electronics
I want to publically extend a HUGE "thank you" to all the above members of = this=20 project. It was truly an = honor for me=20 to record these works with such creative and=20 inspiring musicians. This = was=20 a true collaboration and example of = efficient=20 teamwork, from selecting the recording approach of each song, to = the=20 artwork provided by David Coffin and Paul Mimlitsch.
 
View the=20 project datasheet for Xperimentus, which = reveals the=20 architecture and pre-planning behind the project: http://www.krispen= hartung.com/Xperimentus.htm
 
Buy the CD or view = more=20 information (including song info, musician bios/pictures, = sound=20 clips, etc) here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus (In most cases,=20 you may also buy the CD directly from one of the above members, if = you live=20 in the same location.)
 
Buy=20 directly on CD Baby at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/krisp= en4 =20 (we would appreciate any of your reviews on this page as=20 well)

Xperimentus
Krispen=20 Hartung & Friends
More=20 Information

Xperimentus is a series of=20 experimental and avant-garde compositions by Krispen Hartung and 13 = other=20 musicians from the international Looper=92s Delight discussion=20 group and community. Each composition is a duo composed virtually and in = collaboration over the internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative = and=20 awe-inspiring musicians from the U.S., Belgium, Norway, Italy, UK, and = Germany.=20 Xperimentus is a unique blend of personalities and multiple = playing=20 styles that fuses electronic, experimental, and avant-garde music into a = delightful collage of music art.
 
Reviews
 
"Magic = Cosmic=20 Sounds - With Xperimentus, Krispen Hartung has incredibly woven = together a disparate array of cosmic sounds into one magic carpet sure = to take=20 you on a ride through the astral plane. This collaboration of global = musicians=20 is surprisingly cohesive considering the method in which it was created, = mostly=20 through virtual cooperation with 13 other musicians. The songs on this = disc seem=20 to arise from the ether and spill forth a delicious series of notes that = mesmerize the listener then slip back suddenly into the dimension from = which=20 they came." - Michelle Morris (Writer and=20 Photographer)

30 Second Sample MP3=20 Clips
Also at = http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus 

Stream all = clips: http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/xperimentus.m3u

Clanger Meets the=20 Multiman
David Coffin & K. Hartung=20
Dante's Nursery
Scott Hansen=20 & K. Hartung
A Taste of=20 Neverness
Simeon Harris = & K.=20 Hartung
La=20 Dimensione Onirica Del Sig. Fellini
Fabio=20 Anile & K. Hartung
An Evening=20 with the Greys
Mark Francombe = & K.=20 Hartung
A Most Absurd Landscape
Benoit Ruelle & K. Hartung
When the=20 Long Shadows Fall
Tony K & = K.=20 Hartung
Duologue
Paul = Mimlitsch &=20 K. Hartung
A Drive on=20 the Darkside of Ananda
Clint Allen=20 & K. Hartung
Mysterious Traveler
Sony Felberg & K. Hartung
To Be Determined
Ted=20 Killian & K. Hartung
Tiny=20 Monsters Ex Nihilo
Vincent Miresse=20 & K. Hartung
Shotgun Mulligan
Rainer Straschill & Members from the = Above

Copyright =A9 2006, = Krispen Hartung=20 Records & Members of Xperimentus

****************************************************************= ************************
Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3D= Krispen%20Hartung
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm

= ------=_NextPart_000_06E0_01C60E2C.B9F467B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 00:24:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569F83BEB9; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RC-20 accuracy (was Looping question on usability...) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:23:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20051231212858.OETZ5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-index: AcYOUTr49uMckxM0Qo2jGp98kXsQoQAF6sLQ Message-Id: <20060101002222.FLDV17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:24:03 +0000 (UTC) I took out the springs and cut them in half on the RC foot triggers-now you barely have to touch them to get them to activate. That helped my accuracy with this unit. One nice thing about this looper is the simplicity-also remember you can hit play to end the loop record and go into playback, or hit stop and the loop is saved in (temporary) memory for subsequent playback. It is great as a solo and duo pop music performance tool. Did you check out the Digitech Jamman before you bought the RC? Gary ________________________________________ From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping question on usability... Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help out with. Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this be? Thanks in advance. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 00:26:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F33A3BED6; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: looperlative control Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:26:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <00db01c60e53$5fd978c0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-index: AcYOUkx8U2jc35XiRESjFmbfB/yvCwAF2kkg Message-Id: <20060101002432.RZZV17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Although I own and use the mysterious PMC-10, it would be great if the Looperlative had a MIDI learn function that used Patch Changes to execute its functions--so we could use the more available MIDI foot controllers. Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative control One more thing on a related note.... Enough (and that is an arguable and subjective quantity, to be sure) of the Looperlative's capabilities *must* be immediately usable/available so the buyer can get a feel for what is possible. If the capabilities in the Looperlative are only really accessible after programming a midi footpedal, that makes it very hard to try-out or evaluate in a store. It this happens, then the best sales tool you have is the Users Manual, which for the potential buyer becomes the only way to know what is possible. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: looperlative control > Cool. We disagree. You like mucking about in midi. I don't. > > I disagree that "excellence" in footpedal design would be required. > > An EDP style footpedal (Record, Overdub...) with one more button to switch > "Loop Tracks" would widen the market for a Looperlative rackmount device a > lot. > > The alternative is to require the purchase and programming of a > midi-footpedal so you can start and stop "Record" with your feet (because > your hands are busy on an instrument or because your rack is 15 feet away). > That right there will severely limit the market for this cool new tool. > > That stated, I assume there will be no footpedal for the Looperlative. And > we can argue till the cows come home how much of a market is cut-off by > requiring the purchase and programming of a midi footpedal for the > Looperlative. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: looperlative control > > > I don't agree at all. MIDI footpedals are cheap and plentiful -- you > can just get one and plug it in the back. Excellence at looper design > doesn't imply excellence at footpedal design... I'd rather the time > was spent improving the looperlative rather than designing Yet Another > Footpedal. > > On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would get > me > > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would open > > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Lawson" > > To: "Loop List" > > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > > Subject: looperlative control > > > > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > > Looperlative > > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > > does > > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > > something else I can't remember... > > > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > > something up via your PC. > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Steve > > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 00:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43F933BED6; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:38:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: frequency of digests Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43B7249D.27977.31744D1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20051231175954.26571.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) OK, so the server sends a digest when the messages reach a certain level - we've had 6 digests today - surely this is defeating the object a little? Could I make a plea to whoever runs this to "up" the level a bit, or even better, to send just the one digest per day? I get upwards of 200 emails a day & any way of reducing this would be much appreciated - I can't see that it would inconvenience anyone? All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 00:51:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 347C83BEDC; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LrIF3nw0Lk3nhbLdIzCyNJtN628VtIDD0EtY5cf9EpFwqMehRttj1u9eqG3N+UxGKDokEhZphmL5Q68XPutBEkmmPjUlDPQy9Z7g+E3r56Smqe2UvUAuWacm0h3QzgjnMB5bbDP+q3TUcR2QT3Suigfyn4ac4wlLiIPFYDkd9bs= ; Message-ID: <20060101005114.77796.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey RIP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80512310408i395cf0f4n7cf8a0f9bbf8ef7b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:51:15 +0000 (UTC) short tribute in the L.A. Weekly as well http://www.laweekly.com/ink/06/06/music-burk.php --- David Morton wrote: > On 12/31/05, loop.pool wrote: > > I know that Derek Bailey's passing has been > mentioned here before but my > > wife just sent me this > > excellent short biography from Englands' the > Guardian. I thought I'd pass > > it on: > [ Bandwidth saving snip of Guardian obituary which > is at > http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,1674695,00.html > ] > > There's also another fitting obit written by Steve > Voce, in the Independent: > http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article335441.ece > > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 01:06:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07243BED6; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1167B971-F3DF-4352-AD0F-A2AD9F5C7BB8@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: foot controllers Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:06:26 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:06:03 +0000 (UTC) While I don't make the looperlative or any other looper, I can't even begin to imagine why someone would begrudge the less than 5 minutes it takes to programme the entire pedal board, whichever midi board you use. Here it is, step by step - my gran could do it and she doesn't even own a CD player, let alone any midi equipment. step one, turn on looperlative step two, turn dial til 'midi buttons' shows on screen step three, press enter step four, push a midi pedal (assuming you've connected whichever floor board you have) step five, turn dial to select whichever function you want that pedal to control step six, press enter again. repeat that for each button. if you REALLY can't do that, or would be turned off buying a piece of kit with a feature set that you like because of having perform a task that a)takes less time than getting the kit out of the box in the first place and b) allows you to have the functions in any order wherever you want them, or programmed in different combinations for different songs, then we're so far from being on the same wavelength that I can't even comment. I'd suggest seeing a doctor. If it's a deal-breaker for you, go post it on the Looperlative forum and see what Bob says. www.looperlative.com , Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 02:01:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C89153BEDF; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <077f01c60e77$3d45cec0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1167B971-F3DF-4352-AD0F-A2AD9F5C7BB8@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: foot controllers Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:01:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 426, in=187676, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:01:13 +0000 (UTC) That is easy, Steve. I think I could handle it. :) Will the LP1 accept program change data to trigger its funtions? I hope so. I find that the whole note or CC thing inconvenient, since not all the simple units can send that data. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: foot controllers > While I don't make the looperlative or any other looper, I can't even > begin to imagine why someone would begrudge the less than 5 minutes > it takes to programme the entire pedal board, whichever midi board > you use. Here it is, step by step - my gran could do it and she > doesn't even own a CD player, let alone any midi equipment. > > step one, turn on looperlative > step two, turn dial til 'midi buttons' shows on screen > step three, press enter > step four, push a midi pedal (assuming you've connected whichever > floor board you have) > step five, turn dial to select whichever function you want that pedal > to control > step six, press enter again. > > repeat that for each button. > > if you REALLY can't do that, or would be turned off buying a piece of > kit with a feature set that you like because of having perform a task > that a)takes less time than getting the kit out of the box in the > first place and b) allows you to have the functions in any order > wherever you want them, or programmed in different combinations for > different songs, then we're so far from being on the same wavelength > that I can't even comment. I'd suggest seeing a doctor. > > If it's a deal-breaker for you, go post it on the Looperlative forum > and see what Bob says. www.looperlative.com , > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 02:26:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06F1F3BED5; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: Happy New Year Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:26:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <00cd01c60d62$357c1c00$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 02:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Another year has come and gone. There were painful moments and moments of glory, but most of the time we lived through normal everyday moments. Yet these moments are opportunities to experience the sacred and joyous and we shouldn't let them slip away. As we begin this New Year, my hope for you is that even if every one of your resolutions gets broken, that you be thankful for everything that made you what you are today, that you be aware of the joy and love abundant in the present, and that you be free of worry and anxiety about the future. Happy New Year! ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com "A heart in love with beauty never grows old." -Turkish Proverb From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 03:13:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6253BEDE; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B749BC.6000409@Hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:17:16 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative control References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> <00db01c60e53$5fd978c0$0affff0a@hppav> <00f701c60e5b$0f618560$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <00f701c60e5b$0f618560$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 03:13:53 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer wrote: >If there were online video-clips showing what could be done with the EDP, >I'm very sure sales of that device would be 30% higher (at least!). > I'm impressed with Native Instruments' Loop Machine Tutorial: > Christopher Goss wrote: > > Hi > > There's a good loop machine tutorial video on the native instruments > website, it's worth a look as it gives you a rough idea what it can do. > > https://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=guitarrig2_us ...seems well-conceived (and expensive!?) marketing info. ...Demonstrator RICOLOOP is certainly not an "introverted" live-looping performer! David A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 15:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5CEE3BEC5; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:35:32 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: looperlative control To: Message-id: <001e01c60ee9$00c1af60$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> <00db01c60e53$5fd978c0$0affff0a@hppav> <00f701c60e5b$0f618560$0affff0a@hppav> <43B749BC.6000409@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:28:53 +0000 (UTC) I like it! Their video-clips are great selling tools. They offer simple explanations / demonstrations of what is possible with the product. They seemed well focused on the prospective target audience. I was left with a feeling that I knew what I would be getting. A job well done! David ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: Re: looperlative control > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > >If there were online video-clips showing what could be done with the EDP, > >I'm very sure sales of that device would be 30% higher (at least!). > > > > I'm impressed with Native Instruments' Loop Machine Tutorial: > > > Christopher Goss wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > There's a good loop machine tutorial video on the native instruments > > website, it's worth a look as it gives you a rough idea what it can do. > > > > https://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=guitarrig2_us > > > ...seems well-conceived (and expensive!?) marketing info. > ...Demonstrator RICOLOOP is certainly not an "introverted" live-looping > performer! > > David A. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 16:02:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6A293BED6; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:08:46 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... To: Message-id: <002a01c60eed$a53fd5e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0E156C38-6AE0-4C25-83D0-7C090E2ED848@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00e601c60e59$039ae980$0affff0a@hppav> <06bd01c60e65$39c9cc90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) In my world of software, a lot of development is "keeping up with the competition." This often helps focus priorities - develop it, or lag behind...and risk market death. Certainly not all "user-desired" features fit with the "future vision," development capabilities or even understanding of a product's development team. For example with the Looperlative, I'm sensing that requests for a 96kHz sample rate may not be reflected in this awesome new tool. And there could be very logical reasons for this: perhaps it's initial design does not support this higher standard. Perhaps implementing it would preclude other (deemed more important) capabilities. I'm not sure what process the Aurisis team used to drive the *continued* development of the software in the EDP, but they did a great job in taking in, understanding and leveraging "user input." And I'm sure they didn't heed every request either. :-) As I mentioned, V1.0 of a product sets the sage for the future, but often mostly relies on the experiences, vision and passions of the development team and selected influencers (various kinds of industry experts). And it's not wrong. V2.0 is where the insight and forward vision of the software architecture is tested, as new features and capabilities are added to the existing software framework. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > I like it, David. One thing...do you also get exposure to the marketing > task of prioritizing features and needs, like L, M, H, or Want, Must, Good > To Have, Nice to Have, etc? I've seen this a lot as well, which also helps > decide which features are incorporated, in addition to the development time, > cost, etc, which you outline below. Maybe that was in your part 3. :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... > > > > Loooooong posting - two parts > > > > Part I - Might be boring, if so move diectly to Part 2 > > > > > > Part 1 > > > > I've just caught up with a few days of LD - and there has been a great > > discussion regarding how products get developed. To set a context for my > > comments, let me say my "day-job" has been marketing complicated software > > and technology for 15 years. > > > > A lot has been said already, and much of it I agree with. Let me add these > > (perhaps already alluded to) thoughts: > > > > New products come from new "visions, " and new "visions" tend to focus on > > new ideas. Without this, we would not see the innovation that has helped > > give us Loopers the range and choices of looping tools we have today. > > > > Successful technology products are more than a collection of features > > gathered together to solve some problem-set. They need to be architected > to > > support "todays features" but also to support "planned future features." > > Just like with a house, you may not finish the basement, but you might put > > in doors, stairs and electricity in advance to prepare for when you do. > > > > At some point however, the innitial vision that launched the product > becomes > > a somewhat "shared vision" as customers use the product in new and > > interesting ways. Without paying customers, most products lose funding > and > > disappear. Additionally, a sucessful technical product will need to > "grow" > > along paths matching the needs of customers -- or the product will be > > dropped when something better matching customer needs becomes available. > > That's why product managers seek and compile customer "Wish Lists" - > desired > > future capabilities. Customer "Wish Lists" are a critically important way > > to decide where to focus limited time on new features that will benefit > the > > most people. > > > > Striking the balance between "unique vision" and "market input" becomes > > critical. The market tends to focus on the "now" -- and focusing on the > > "now" without thinking about how things will be the future indroduces > > inconstitencies and quirky interfaces. > > > > I agree with Kris Hartung's idea of soliciting ideas from the greater > > Loopers-Delight team. It's a way to reduce the risk of the Looperlative's > > failure. What simple capability might have been overlooked? How much > time > > should be dedicated to enabling which features? > > > > This is not in anyway to say Bob's vision is flawed or remis in any way. > > This is not to suggest Steve's dedicated and complicated work of Beta > > Testing the Looperlative is flawed or remis in any way. > > > > > > Part 2 > > > > Version 1 of many products are more "vision" oriented and less "Wish List" > > oriented. This is natural. > > > > When it comes time for the Looperlative to solicit a Loopers-Delight "Wish > > List" - (based on managing this for a company once) let me suggest a few > > things (and excuse my dry boring language): > > > > 1) Give the "Wish List" structure > > > > a) List potential / proposed features with descriptions of what they will > > enable and how they could be used; don't only use open-ended questions > > > > b) Make sure each Feature ALWAYS has a stated "Cost" in time - so > customers > > can see trade-offs > > (this also forces the engineers to forcast what it'll take to develop > a > > feature) > > > > c) Break features into "Development Effort" groups > > i) "Features that will take between XX and XXX units of time" > > ii) "Features that will take between X and XX units of time" > > iii) "Features that will take 0-X units of time" > > > > d) Possibly break features into "logical-sets" that go together > > i) "This features-bundle will together give the capability to... and > > costs XX units of time" > > > > e) Use one open-ended question to let customers describe *capabilities* > they > > would like (not features). Many times the customer is unaware that > desired > > capabilities are achievable with existing features. > > Also, this focuses ideas on the end results, and leave the engineering of > > "how to do it) to the product designers. > > > > > > 2) Give Customers a limited number of "Time Units" they can "spend" -- per > > "Development Effort Group" > > > > You want customers to understand development time is limited, and choices > > have to be made. > > > > This tends to drive "votes" to the quicker to develop features. Which is > > not always desirable. That's why I suggest giving customers a limited > > number of "Time Units" to spend per "Development Effort Group" (say, 30% > of > > total in a group). That way you get votes for things across all > categories. > > > > > > NOTE: The results of any "Wish List" process MUST be tempered with the > > insight and vision from the product development team. Just following > > desires in "Wish Lists" risks causing choppy, non-integrated product > > development. > > > > > > How far off-topic have I looped? > > > > David > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 16:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89B813BED9; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:35:16 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: foot controllers To: Message-id: <002d01c60ef1$58f50e40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1167B971-F3DF-4352-AD0F-A2AD9F5C7BB8@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, I'm not sure I need a doctor. As to my midi-capabilities, thanks for your assessment and diagnosis. Perhaps we are talking about different issues. What you've described is the footpedal for the EDP -- except with that there is no dialing or programming. My experience with midi footpedals goes back to 1991 - and that involved a very different (and much more confusing) process than you've described. Perhaps things are easier now. This would be good. I should try again. BTW - The affect in your reply demonstrates you have a strong opinion about this. Strong opinions are good. They demand recognition. Affect however tends to distract from points being made, and cloud impartiality. Do not be surprised if others, with differing opinions, "rise" to your level of emotion, too. David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: foot controllers > While I don't make the looperlative or any other looper, I can't even > begin to imagine why someone would begrudge the less than 5 minutes > it takes to programme the entire pedal board, whichever midi board > you use. Here it is, step by step - my gran could do it and she > doesn't even own a CD player, let alone any midi equipment. > > step one, turn on looperlative > step two, turn dial til 'midi buttons' shows on screen > step three, press enter > step four, push a midi pedal (assuming you've connected whichever > floor board you have) > step five, turn dial to select whichever function you want that pedal > to control > step six, press enter again. > > repeat that for each button. > > if you REALLY can't do that, or would be turned off buying a piece of > kit with a feature set that you like because of having perform a task > that a)takes less time than getting the kit out of the box in the > first place and b) allows you to have the functions in any order > wherever you want them, or programmed in different combinations for > different songs, then we're so far from being on the same wavelength > that I can't even comment. I'd suggest seeing a doctor. > > If it's a deal-breaker for you, go post it on the Looperlative forum > and see what Bob says. www.looperlative.com , > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 17:08:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77B8E3BEE6; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: laptop based loopers/effects for live Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:08:06 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c60ef5$ef548d30$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYOPrCVJDA9aO9tRcOPQm9hI0O1NQAtzD5A In-Reply-To: <20051231191621.50773.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:08:09 +0000 (UTC) no, the PPC abandons Apple...;-) (couldn't resist either) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Dezember 2005 20:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: laptop based loopers/effects for live --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: >=20 > Its well worth to take the risc...=20 But what about in 2006 when Apple abandons the PPC processor in favor of a Pentium? ;) Sorry. I couldn't resist. Mark =09 =09 __________________________________=20 Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.=20 http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 17:27:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 887B23BEF1; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EBYjEsZzygxpGl6qZ1MWZUI8TJhf+auyW8qTMHaSOmEky3m5tyoOGvhow2D+GZtokm1vICQEMoUEuoqwYPk2sb9t3fHaBA06qtYI6VnxbyUr2yiMLtOGDHcXBpJ/NU9btQq8RD+XKsLkXuV4wyf4W2YDAYSkVQe/hKOFSGWauTg= ; Message-ID: <20060101172753.17282.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: derek bailey, Xperimentus , zoom g2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051231235219.9E0BF3BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-205364804-1136136473=:11278" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:27:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-205364804-1136136473=:11278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks to all who sent posts on derek baileys passing. i remember reading a few interview w/ him and hearing henry kaiser always mention him. i knew of his playing mostly from a video and dvd i have of kaisers, where he would demo "the derek bailey style" (probably not a good description, but best i could do). i was curious about him, couldn't make up my mind on what discs of his to get, so i ended up buying this dvd concert he did at a small record store in NYC. its a short little piece, maybe 45 min (maybe shorter) at max and has intro of him walking in carrying his guitar. i think he does 3 short "pieces", all very interesting, just w/ an acoustic guitar (it might be slightly amplified, but mostly hear acoustic). after watching it, it made me realize that h kaiser had really studied him. kind of interesting to see, and sadly i can't remember the name of the dvd.... right before xmas i received my copy of "Xperimentus" from krispen, and can say its an interesting cd. nice to hear a range of folks who contributed from all over. hats off to krispen for all the work. zoom g2-i got one for xmas (well i did ask for one), was curious about them, figured it was inexpensive, etc. the 1st day i played it, i thought it was amazing, day 2,3 i was less impressed, and debated sending it back, but then i started to analyze my critiques...i was mad that it didn't do some of the things a few of my other pedals do (mainly i like to modulate the time on my digitech rp100 from 2 secs to zero & back, etc)...but then i started to think, i'm going to stop whining about my gear and just see what it can do. it does 5 sec of delay at 100% very clean, has ping pong and tape simulation also. i haven't been as happy w/ the "clean" sounds as w/ my digitech, but it has some great "distorted" sounds (although to my sampled ear, the dual rectifier does not sound like the "classic sounds" of people i know that use that amp, but again, i'm going off sounds i've heard, and have never played one). it has a nice range of distortion pedals that are modelled, i won't say how close or not close, since i've not owned or played them, but they give a nice sonic range. the one thing that it does do well is that it's like a sound noise machine mangler like no other w/ all the options of effects. and i think its funny b/c i figure this is marketed to kids who play guitar and dream of being like the heros they hear (like me back in the 80's) & think, will these kids like a ring modulator or the step effect or put the chorus/flanger all the way up to sound crazy? it a crazy sound machine. and the tap tempo for the delay is nice... i will be getting a pedal to do some of the control functions etc, i think there is a delay /hold option w/ one of the pedals. so there you have it. for 99$ it has an adaptor, and lots of potential and 5 sec of delay. oh and there is 3 effects blocks of delay-a short one in the 2nd effects option (3 sec), a delay section that has 5 sec, and a tap delay option in the reverb section. set all 3 w/ short feedback, and it's delay city (more chaos than control, but fun!). so, i'm going to stop whining about my gear and just see what it can do, instead of complaining about what it can't do (hence the reason why i usually have 3 delay/loop options anyway when i play/record). happy06, s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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thanks to all who sent posts on derek baileys passing. i remember reading a few interview w/ him and hearing henry kaiser always mention him. i knew of his playing mostly from a video and dvd i have of kaisers, where he would demo "the derek bailey style" (probably not a good description, but best i could do). i was curious about him, couldn't make up my mind on what discs of his to get, so i ended up buying this dvd concert he did at a small record store in NYC. its a short little piece, maybe 45 min (maybe shorter) at max and has intro of him walking in carrying his guitar. i think he does 3 short "pieces", all very interesting, just w/ an acoustic guitar (it might be slightly amplified, but mostly hear acoustic). after watching it, it made me realize that h kaiser had really studied him.  kind of interesting to see, and sadly i can't remember the name of the dvd....
 
right before xmas i received my copy of "Xperimentus"  from krispen, and can say its an interesting cd. nice to hear a range of folks who contributed from all over. hats off to krispen for all the work.
 
zoom g2-i got one for xmas (well i did ask for one), was curious about them, figured it was inexpensive, etc. the 1st day i played it, i thought it was amazing, day 2,3 i was less impressed, and debated sending it back, but then i started to analyze my critiques...i was mad that it didn't do some of the things a few of my other pedals do (mainly i like to modulate the time on my digitech rp100 from 2 secs to zero & back, etc)...but then i started to think, i'm going to stop whining about my gear and just see what it can do. it does 5 sec of delay at 100% very clean, has ping pong and tape simulation also. i haven't been as happy w/ the "clean" sounds as w/ my digitech, but it has some great "distorted" sounds (although to my sampled ear, the dual rectifier does not sound like the "classic sounds" of people i know that use that amp, but again, i'm going off sounds i've heard, and have never played one). it has a nice range of distortion pedals that are modelled, i won't say how close or not close, since i've not owned or played them, but they give a nice sonic range. the one thing that it does do well is that it's like a sound noise machine mangler like no other w/ all the options of effects.  and i think its funny b/c i figure this is marketed to kids who play guitar and dream of being like the heros they hear (like me back in the 80's) & think, will these kids like a ring modulator or the step effect or put the chorus/flanger all the way up to sound crazy? it a crazy sound machine. and the tap tempo for the delay is nice...
i will be getting a pedal to do some of the control functions etc, i think there is a delay /hold option w/ one of the pedals. so there you have it. for 99$ it has an adaptor, and lots of potential and 5 sec of delay. oh and there is 3 effects blocks of delay-a short one in the 2nd effects option (3 sec), a delay section that has 5 sec, and a tap delay option in the reverb section. set all 3 w/ short feedback, and it's delay city (more chaos than control, but fun!). so, i'm going to stop whining about my gear and just see what it can do, instead of complaining about what it can't do (hence the reason why i usually have 3 delay/loop options anyway when i play/record).
happy06, s---

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Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-205364804-1136136473=:11278-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 18:02:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ECB03BEF9; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: re: foot controllers Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:02:59 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:02:36 +0000 (UTC) >>BTW - The affect in your reply demonstrates you have a strong opinion about this. Strong opinions are good. They demand recognition. Affect however tends to distract from points being made, and cloud impartiality. Do not be surprised if others, with differing opinions, "rise" to your level of emotion, too.<< david, not particularly strong opinions, just surprise that someone would suggest that they would not buy a piece of kit when the process was as easy as that. You said it, I expressed surprise. Neither a strong opinion, nor a high level of emotion, just amazement that someone who found that process hard was able to operate a computer well enough to send an email to LD... clearly you're beyond that, so we're all safe. ;o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 18:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07AC03BEF9; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NZyOygwmM6ZUMhCn2EK5+00pbG82Kcfgaq64UT1svzO0rinrtmvIWrPTlatfkiLFfzxwEWn0wEtpiV/npsqW2z4fuZfNP/ZdkbT6cZcTSvDa+yPHma+MC6zmppErc3ADsn+J9tm47heG27Elmrh9JTAbsGqazYBXmfxmzyMKfcM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:10:44 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: foot controllers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Historically, MIDI control of looping hardware has required tedious programming of MIDI controllers since the looper was inflexible in what MIDI commands would trigger what function (EDP, Repeater). If there was a manual or comprehensive spec sheet online for the Looperlative, this sort of confusion would be avoided. TravisH On 1/1/06, Steve Lawson wrote: > >>BTW - The affect in your reply demonstrates you have a strong > opinion about > this. Strong opinions are good. They demand recognition. Affect > however > tends to distract from points being made, and cloud impartiality. Do > not be > surprised if others, with differing opinions, "rise" to your level of > emotion, too.<< > > david, not particularly strong opinions, just surprise that someone > would suggest that they would not buy a piece of kit when the process > was as easy as that. You said it, I expressed surprise. Neither a > strong opinion, nor a high level of emotion, just amazement that > someone who found that process hard was able to operate a computer > well enough to send an email to LD... clearly you're beyond that, so > we're all safe. > > ;o) > > Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 18:52:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9266E3BEFE; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B82502.7010109@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:52:50 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply References: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:52:49 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > Steve wrote about looperlative > >> with it the way it is, you can do everything that rounded >> multiply does > > > Hey Steve, it's great of you to promote Looperlative, > which is a very interesting product. > ...but I think perhaps that statement is very misleading. > > Hopefully it's going to be possible to find ways of duplicating > a great many of the EDP techniques to create musical structure > using the Looperlative 8 loop architecture. However the Multiply > as you describe it is nothing like that of the EDP. Maybe it would be worth to consider the Looperlative as something different than the EDP. I guess there is no need to replace the EDP. It seems a lot of you have two EDPs. Maybe replacing just one EDP with the Looperlative would open up complete new perspectives, as you can use both for different tasks... There is a story with this statement. Whenever I come across an alternative for whatever tool, for example a sequencer, I usually do not like the new tool until I see somebody playing it in a way I would never be able to do so with my preffered tool. (And the other way around.) Things which are dead simple with the tool I know are complicated or at least different than I am used to it. I just don't know whats complicated with my tool, because I like it simple, I don't use it in the way I could. At CCMIX we still have these old UPIC machines designed by Xenakis way back in the 70's. If you wanted to do synthesis like you're used to do with known keyboard oriented (digital) synths, you could do it, but its really very complicated, but if you wanted to have a graphical representation of a score sounding directly like its drawn (witin a pitch and time/rythm continuum) its very straight forward. Its absolutely mindblowing and opening to get in touch with such a beast. It completely changes the way you think about composing. But it forces you to think different! By letting known strategies just fail. If you made this experience you imediatly try to do things like that with your normal tools and realize that it is probably possible, but very complicated. But now after opening your mind you become aware that a lot of musical decisions were defined by the tool and not by your concious decision. After that you can go back to your known tool and newly decide if you really want to do it the way you always did it or take the challenge and go new paths though its more difficult. Or use a different instrument to have a different perspective to do music a different way. Joe Zawinul learned to play the keyboard backwards, just to get rid of old habits.... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 18:54:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802F13BF02; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20051231183449.90442.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051231183449.90442.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: The Dark Age Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:54:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:54:27 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:34 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > its a sin that's a great Pet Shop Boys song. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 19:49:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 219113BF07; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <1167B971-F3DF-4352-AD0F-A2AD9F5C7BB8@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <1167B971-F3DF-4352-AD0F-A2AD9F5C7BB8@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80D3AF87-FF55-402F-987F-E6AFBCEC6653@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: foot controllers Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 11:49:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: be7f6ced-7aff-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:49:41 +0000 (UTC) WOW. That sounds so logical, so simple.It took me days to get my controller to work with the RPTR. I can't wait. On Dec 31, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > While I don't make the looperlative or any other looper, I can't > even begin to imagine why someone would begrudge the less than 5 > minutes it takes to programme the entire pedal board, whichever > midi board you use. Here it is, step by step - my gran could do it > and she doesn't even own a CD player, let alone any midi equipment. > > step one, turn on looperlative > step two, turn dial til 'midi buttons' shows on screen > step three, press enter > step four, push a midi pedal (assuming you've connected whichever > floor board you have) > step five, turn dial to select whichever function you want that > pedal to control > step six, press enter again. > > repeat that for each button. > > if you REALLY can't do that, or would be turned off buying a piece > of kit with a feature set that you like because of having perform a > task that a)takes less time than getting the kit out of the box in > the first place and b) allows you to have the functions in any > order wherever you want them, or programmed in different > combinations for different songs, then we're so far from being on > the same wavelength that I can't even comment. I'd suggest seeing a > doctor. > > If it's a deal-breaker for you, go post it on the Looperlative > forum and see what Bob says. www.looperlative.com , > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:02:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8259E3BF10; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=arFwKd2uEPo+st8CS8Vv2OQhevYKwAZNIZPXBPuqdMuIn+yxuWFT+kEipShDPTRnycgO7udEF63zsoQewNS50/Ezap4VoK2IzKMUv9YKh8WtTVOKJ32funHVOOZ0qva8N3q5q6f87Hcl5yzCNrGqY+/f00BYWxWQAbP7EVZEomg= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601011202y3fc3d8d2xd3032f919364d1dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:02:42 -0800 From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: FCB1010: Submersed and still working! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:02:44 +0000 (UTC) My four year old FCB1010 was completely submersed for several hours a couple days ago when my garage/studio flooded. I took the back panel off, went over it with a hair drier for 15 or 20 minutes and let it sit for a day. I hooked it back up and it works as good as new. It seems like a pretty well built piece of kit to me. Anyone else in California get flooded this past weekend? This is the first time in the 3 years I've lived here that my garage has flooded. I've got everything up on risers now. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:16:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9C53BF17; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SblYJ4ZH0nWX+2P/c0OKOjqW6ZPFlnKfoVpZlAXYe2IGwwR75BGQQVvqyZU8c+Fhbuu9tfLd/PpDmDJaPkT3QfNiIFkAsHg0sU+nJl7Zd/4042paE/CtioWIZSglFHndK+cBpr0FKI4tGuGDttVZ0X3O36G/R8WV94qq/P7T4uY= ; Message-ID: <20060101201645.86445.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:16:45 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: The Dark Age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1990739974-1136146605=:84805" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:16:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1990739974-1136146605=:84805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hence,the confusion unfolds... Suit & Tie Guy wrote: On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:34 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > its a sin that's a great Pet Shop Boys song. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping --0-1990739974-1136146605=:84805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hence,the confusion unfolds...

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
On Dec 31, 2005, at 12:34 PM, daniel stevenson wrote:
> its a sin

that's a great Pet Shop Boys song.

---
Eric Williamson
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Shopping --0-1990739974-1136146605=:84805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:21:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45773BF24; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43B82502.7010109@addcom.de> References: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> <43B82502.7010109@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DA54824-7C37-45B6-919B-AC1C678AED80@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: BAckwards Zawinul (was: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:21:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:21:09 +0000 (UTC) On 1 jan 2006, at 19.52, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Joe Zawinul learned to play the keyboard backwards, just to get rid > of old habits.... Interesting. Please tell that story! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:45:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F0E3BF1B; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c60f14$3d56d060$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> <43B82502.7010109@addcom.de> <3DA54824-7C37-45B6-919B-AC1C678AED80@boysen.se> Subject: Re: BAckwards Zawinul (was: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:45:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:45:15 +0000 (UTC) I read somewhere that he had two ARP 2600s, and one of them was modified so the pitches were backwards. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: BAckwards Zawinul (was: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply) > On 1 jan 2006, at 19.52, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > Joe Zawinul learned to play the keyboard backwards, just to get rid > > of old habits.... > > > Interesting. Please tell that story! :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 411F03BF23; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=etPOqlRkZNM9IvpTilBXx4sprrqtfWc3sAfRvrgM2GBXqTRiVChPgOiQIHVpvtXy; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:59:48 -0800 Subject: Re: BAckwards Zawinul (was: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000501c60f14$3d56d060$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Message-Id: <8BA4D806-7B09-11DA-AC4D-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd4846fa9f75ff6a737190d1fcd62b2b658ba30146a21c727840350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.208.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:55:52 +0000 (UTC) I think a more accurate description was that one of the keyboards ( ARP 2600's) were wired so that as you went from left to right the pitch would move lower as opposed to higher. All the best in the new year to everyone. joe On Sunday, January 1, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Mark Smart wrote: > I read somewhere that he had two ARP 2600s, and one of them was > modified so the > pitches were backwards. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:21 PM > Subject: BAckwards Zawinul (was: feedback/features/new > loopers...Multiply) > > >> On 1 jan 2006, at 19.52, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> >>> Joe Zawinul learned to play the keyboard backwards, just to get rid >>> of old habits.... >> >> >> Interesting. Please tell that story! :-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 20:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE1C23BF2D; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000501c60f14$3d56d060$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> <43B82502.7010109@addcom.de> <3DA54824-7C37-45B6-919B-AC1C678AED80@boysen.se> <000501c60f14$3d56d060$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C3DC754-F58B-4954-A473-83B7542C68D2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: BAckwards Zawinul (was: feedback/features/new loopers...Multiply) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:59:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:59:16 +0000 (UTC) On 1 jan 2006, at 21.45, Mark Smart wrote: > I read somewhere that he had two ARP 2600s, and one of them was > modified so the > pitches were backwards. Ok, I see. So he didn't stand playing with the piano behind his back then, or played lying on the top of a grand piano? ;-) Zawinul plays very nice IMHO. His "message" is not about "the instrument" but about the sound he brings out of it. It's definitely a good practice to stop playing for a while - once in a while. Or change instrument. Or style... etc. You will always be the last one to get bored whenever stuck in old habits ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 21:17:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC04A3BF3C; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: RC-20 accuracy (was Looping question on usability...) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 16:17:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060101002222.FLDV17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: AcYOUTr49uMckxM0Qo2jGp98kXsQoQAF6sLQACvxfjA= Message-Id: <20060101211718.SHDZ8316.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gary, I did not check out the Jamman, but now that I have been researching it maybe I should give this one a try. From what I can see there is a lot more upgradability with this unit compared to the RC 20? Thanks, Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-20 accuracy (was Looping question on usability...) I took out the springs and cut them in half on the RC foot triggers-now you barely have to touch them to get them to activate. That helped my accuracy with this unit. One nice thing about this looper is the simplicity-also remember you can hit play to end the loop record and go into playback, or hit stop and the loop is saved in (temporary) memory for subsequent playback. It is great as a solo and duo pop music performance tool. Did you check out the Digitech Jamman before you bought the RC? Gary ________________________________________ From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping question on usability... Hi everyone, I am new to this list since I just bought my first looping pedal. I have a question about usability that maybe you can help out with. Often I perform solo or in a duo with two guitars and one vocal. I was looking for a pedal that would allow me to record part of my guitar performance of a song (live on scene) and play it back later on so I can play a solo or add interesting fills while I sing. So basically I am only concerned with one loop, but it is going to be the main instrument track. I just bought the Boss RC 20 and I am having a little trouble with it. I have read that it takes some practice, but my question is. Is it really possible to perform a first verse live while recording with the loop pedal and perform the second verse with the loop? How difficult will this be? Thanks in advance. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music 613.297.5962 www.joshuamorin.com joshua@joshuamorin.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 21:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4BC63BF41; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:00:18 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Looping as a top 10 gear innovation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002101c60f19$48d119a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060101172756.1A2F73BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Just so's ya know, my editor/co-looper at Guitar One magazine put together a top 10 list for guitar gear innovations of the past decade (Guitar One being 10 years old this month). It reads: 1) Modeling 2) Coated strings 3) Replica signature guitars 4) LOOPING! 5) Taylor T-5 guitar 6) Dedicated guitar interfaces 7) Offshore guitar building 8) Guitars aimed at women 9) Accessory innovations 10) TC Electronics G-System Happy New Year! dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 21:40:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52ED63BF43; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vVncgNndcNylzS/335TQIK/eOERIBjU/8K8n0Haklym3Q9Z99AOyV1nRVQ9gi+ayVtfMfAE6qUVlIGXXSv0hxYNIGgf5ejUhIVgPNvIFRuG+JMXf33z9p5MvRffPnwRpDKk9fZnybL4YvJHxrFvjJ4yHE8OboctLWJQuudrGXQM= ; Message-ID: <20060101214000.94410.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Happy New Year To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7YGpBD.A.f_B.xwEuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:40:01 +0000 (UTC) I hope everybody made it to 2006,i did indeed with a slight hangover! I wish everybody on this list a fanstastic new start! cheers Luis --- Michael Plishka wrote: > Another year has come and gone. There were painful > moments and moments of > glory, but most of the time we lived through normal > everyday moments. Yet > these moments are opportunities to experience the > sacred and joyous and we > shouldn't let them slip away. As we begin this New > Year, my hope for you is > that even if every one of your resolutions gets > broken, that you be thankful > for everything that made you what you are today, > that you be aware of the > joy and love abundant in the present, and that you > be free of worry and > anxiety about the future. > > Happy New Year! > > > ~peace~ > > Plish > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > > "A heart in love with beauty never grows old." > -Turkish Proverb > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 21:42:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83FD73BF4B; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5piGr7jrNUV6IS/y0+6G9exm9n7wqRO99mUb48q5DYaK9m4trS8HlGOo3skxVJdJN9rDqObLpHKDOsD9mQEhsqx4Xuw6w2Dv5/ofDtfa5h+IF9S5znHbXsE+teyVpzyTG6IlsRCY1KuyJ1I40Y890PqKIpO78GcYeegwj+gVmnI= ; Message-ID: <20060101214223.14653.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e2a71240512311457l292faa07nd27567e40dbf571c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) this is so far the best price for a new one http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=echoplex&tt=1 cheers Luis --- Michael Pregeant wrote: > I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took > three weeks for it to > arrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd > buy mine from some place > that has price match, print out the musician's > friend artical, and take it > in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing > machine.. I'm definitely > satisfied with mine. > > On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > > The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the > past as Gibson seems > > to make them in batches, but since the recent > price bump they seem to > > have been available through mail order sources > with some reliability. > > Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told > prospective buyers that > > it had been discontinued, which fostered further > confusion. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > > > wrote: > > > Hi, all: > > > > > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for > $999.95 and they say > > they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain > EDP's. I'm thinking about > > popping for one after messing around with various > other loopers. I really > > miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a > percussion/drum beat and the efficient > > way to create additional loops on the EDP. If > Roland & Digitech would just > > put a few more features in their offerings they > would have some seriously > > nice boxes. > > > > > > > -- > My Journal: > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > A bunch of the same stuff: > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 22:15:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E41B53BF50; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <104F246C-2441-4034-ABEB-E644BA2D56DA@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: re: foot controllers Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:16:13 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8qfqB.A.zMD.VSFuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:15:49 +0000 (UTC) >>>Maybe it would be worth to consider the Looperlative as something different than the EDP. I guess there is no need to replace the EDP. It seems a lot of you have two EDPs. Maybe replacing just one EDP with the Looperlative would open up complete new perspectives, as you can use both for different tasks...<< The Looperlative is definitely very different from the Echoplex - I know that Bob certainly didn't set out to build some kind of stereo EDP replacement. I think it'll be a long time before you can do the kinds of things that Andre Lafosse does with an Echoplex on a Looperlative, if Bob even goes in that direction with the software writing. I've no idea whereabouts facilitating glitch-core comes on his list of software priorities. I won't be getting rid of all my Echoplexes - I'll keep at least one as there are certain things that the Echoplex does that I doubt any other unit will ever do as well. Maybe one day Gibson or someone else who licences the technology will get round to doing a proper stereo hi-res version of the EDP. It'd be great if they did. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 1 22:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDB7E3BF5B; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43B8591E.5020509@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 23:35:10 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BAckwards Zawinul References: <20051231011803.87C373BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051231121538.02806850@tiscali.co.uk> <43B82502.7010109@addcom.de> <3DA54824-7C37-45B6-919B-AC1C678AED80@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <3DA54824-7C37-45B6-919B-AC1C678AED80@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 1 jan 2006, at 19.52, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> Joe Zawinul learned to play the keyboard backwards, just to get rid >> of old habits.... > > > > Interesting. Please tell that story! :-) I saw him doing that live some years ago in Freiburg. He would just turn to the back of his keyboard and play it from there... And you could reverse or even scrample pitches in synths like an DX 7. Inversion is also easy with analog synths. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 00:36:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3E123BF59; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4325151.1136162159288.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:35:59 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex Cc: Luis Angulo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 00:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Wow! That $799.99 price is awesome. I wonder if AMS would price match it. It doesn't appear to be a sale or 'special' price on Sweetwater's website. Butch ---- Luis Angulo wrote: > this is so far the best price for a new one > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=echoplex&tt=1 > cheers > Luis > > --- Michael Pregeant wrote: > > > I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took > > three weeks for it to > > arrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd > > buy mine from some place > > that has price match, print out the musician's > > friend artical, and take it > > in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing > > machine.. I'm definitely > > satisfied with mine. > > > > On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett > > wrote: > > > > > > The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the > > past as Gibson seems > > > to make them in batches, but since the recent > > price bump they seem to > > > have been available through mail order sources > > with some reliability. > > > Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told > > prospective buyers that > > > it had been discontinued, which fostered further > > confusion. > > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, all: > > > > > > > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for > > $999.95 and they say > > > they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain > > EDP's. I'm thinking about > > > popping for one after messing around with various > > other loopers. I really > > > miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a > > percussion/drum beat and the efficient > > > way to create additional loops on the EDP. If > > Roland & Digitech would just > > > put a few more features in their offerings they > > would have some seriously > > > nice boxes. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > My Journal: > > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > > > A bunch of the same stuff: > > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 01:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110D53BF58; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mWbV1amYJ/UXRDIwxpfqV9BHcGQMeREAjm2bmWR+BYUITrrAhHnEkErorrBp7n47rO/WedivEWaSjswdsCvSip1KqOAM97xsf3tAHHFy4REsOYtdI5kAELI7xvtaoLUMtUtlGyvvrYTyRGd/7CBY7SdxosKDAv01BU+9T+3hMcA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601011726y10bdc87ev7e7cad1af7dde276@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:26:58 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:27:00 +0000 (UTC) On 12/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Here's an example. I used to work in R&D for HP, and I managed a database > and tool that stored product requirements (features, behaviors, benefits, > priority, etc) for LaserJet printers. I worked with other folks in R&D an= d > future product marketing. They reviewed and collected requirements from > customers via various data collection methods - focus groups, surveys, > interviews with executives, industry analysts, and power users, etc. Once= we > completed the requirement collection and validation, I used the tool to > generate various reports for marketing and R&D leads. They used that data= in > R&D to drive the design of the product. This process helped us develop aw= ard > winning products. I specifically remember features that were developed > because of direct customer input. If we had left it up to the engineers t= o > design the product, that would have resulted in a product designed with > features that they thought were important, but which weren't necessarily > important to the target customer. The engineers often had a completely > different view of what features they wanted to build in to the > product...often driven by capability or leveraging their area of specialt= y, > or something else they were working on. I'm willing to bet that if you > probed all of the fortune 500 companies, you would find that they had a > similar process for designing products...and they wouldn't consider it a > process of mediocrity, but one of necessity to survive and compete in the > marketplace. While I agree that this is often a good strategy, a lot of really good things are built by a single person or a very small group of people with a vision without consulting the public -- for example, a lot of Google's output. Focus groups are great for creating innovative versions of things that already exist but if you have your own vision, you should run with it and, frankly, more or less ignore what anyone else thinks until you are finished. Often, people simply don't know what they want until they have it in their hands. All these almost-good loopers missing one or two features aren't an argument against this. If the creators really had an insight into looping, they'd have *known* that their box needed a feedback control, for example. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 01:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EDD63BF65; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AYCMSd2lJ0r9HovnTLH4chVG9JXOr0ZEtQm9NcLs5vCrXwDcGIJrmNNgP5X7Y3gfPcG8VvrqPbGLgvE+xArWfV6A2mf4KP1OLxWMvWGMIxRHagvi1ZvEzSd/Dw+OqF+OHKIiEBnPcg97BIF9PgPHWeZBLuO+MsFXZidz+aSTDuM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:29:25 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex In-Reply-To: <4325151.1136162159288.JavaMail.root@web19> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4325151.1136162159288.JavaMail.root@web19> Resent-Message-ID: <8yVRU.A.yaH.2HIuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Probably, but you might need to get a print copy of the ad: [from AMS price matching FAQ] "8.=09This excludes blowouts, discontinued merchandise, factory seconds, special sales, floor and demo models. Price must be printed in a local or national ad by an authorized dealer. Products must be new and factory packaged." Some vendors are specific about the price being printed in a catalog, not just on the website. AMS should be able to clarify that for you. On the other hand, Sweetwater appears a bit confused about the specs, claiming that it offers left and right outs, and can be expanded to 2000 seconds of sampling time. They also don't specify the EDP+, even though they show the newer model in the catalog pictures. TravisH On 1/1/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Wow! That $799.99 price is awesome. I wonder if AMS would price match it.= It doesn't appear to be a sale or 'special' price on Sweetwater's website. > > Butch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 01:37:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119AD3BF69; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OQ/WBMe6+M6IWddOn9N/CArD2P2fhRqLvkuoitblUYXLCj1DE13mt/kdvNS3E3jL8tg4U9zqy963Rakn1RNt7qwu4XZ18D80lD9OrJbyhjSDDUJn8qkPI0pKZruOsZbXv3cigA9zi5RlviGuhOjwhSTzorvvpR+zdufwG93DJW0= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601011737o42bbdb25ofd9cd3db12ee883d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:37:04 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... In-Reply-To: <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC) On 12/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Here's an example. I used to work in R&D for HP, and I managed a database > and tool that stored product requirements (features, behaviors, benefits, > priority, etc) for LaserJet printers. I worked with other folks in R&D an= d > future product marketing. They reviewed and collected requirements from > customers via various data collection methods - focus groups, surveys, > interviews with executives, industry analysts, and power users, etc. Once= we > completed the requirement collection and validation, I used the tool to > generate various reports for marketing and R&D leads. They used that data= in > R&D to drive the design of the product. This process helped us develop aw= ard > winning products. I specifically remember features that were developed > because of direct customer input. If we had left it up to the engineers t= o > design the product, that would have resulted in a product designed with > features that they thought were important, but which weren't necessarily > important to the target customer. The engineers often had a completely > different view of what features they wanted to build in to the > product...often driven by capability or leveraging their area of specialt= y, > or something else they were working on. I'm willing to bet that if you > probed all of the fortune 500 companies, you would find that they had a > similar process for designing products...and they wouldn't consider it a > process of mediocrity, but one of necessity to survive and compete in the > marketplace. While I agree that this is often a good strategy, a lot of really good things are built by a single person or a very small group of people with a vision without consulting the public -- for example, a lot of Google's output. Focus groups are great for creating innovative versions of things that already exist but if you have your own vision, you should run with it and, frankly, more or less ignore what anyone else thinks until you are finished. Often, people simply don't know what they want until they have it in their hands. All these almost-good loopers missing one or two features aren't an argument against this. If the creators really had an insight into looping, they'd have *known* that their box needed a feedback control, for example. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 01:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3FFD3BF73; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Cky5ZVL2LPJIcFSJtDrXLkpZMNhzqjPHQRtOkix6wIWkiI/5f2LfuLWGNNl7XH4G; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200611215617110@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Forbidden Planet Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:56:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405c9355d858fc6a9bff8c9155198c184f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:50:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Happy Gnu Year, Loopers! I finally saw "Forbidden Planet." The "music" IS as great as everyone says, although I'm not sure if I'd like it as much on its own. The sets and effects are quite good. I have accepted Anne Francis as my savior. No, I'm not kidding...I'm building a secret altar to her in my basement music room. Don't tell my wife. On an unrelated note, they had a 3 Stooges marathon for New Year's Eve on one of the Beantown channels, and Mr Klobuchar, I thought of you! With Best Wishes for a Peaceful 2006 (hey, it COULD happen!!), Tim Mungenast Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Happy Gnu Year, Loopers!
 
I finally saw "Forbidden Planet."
The "music" IS as great as everyone says, although I'm not sure if I'd like it as much on its own.
The sets and effects are quite good.
I have accepted Anne Francis as my savior.
No, I'm not kidding...I'm building a secret altar to her in my basement music room.
Don't tell my wife.
 
On an unrelated note, they had a 3 Stooges marathon for New Year's Eve on one of the Beantown channels, and Mr Klobuchar, I thought of you!
 
With Best Wishes for a Peaceful 2006 (hey, it COULD happen!!),
Tim Mungenast
 
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 02:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61783BF71; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m8xt7/8gzeoxQQCv9OdVSYrgGt4sFRZfK1NUyse/Ned3OTuM2NzEs2mE+K8VQnW40QPTiW2x5RywPWXuu2L9UsqnxmpLESpx8gGNrqAWTA9C1UDkqOLLpbfrD/SZjncwx9Q8ZvqRYhKQ5UuPWZYtWVvLXXAsfRHgfflY8UsxZ+k= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601011801jcc84ec6w7f89f33f15c70121@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:01:41 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperlative control In-Reply-To: <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0B481FAD-DE0C-4622-A319-263AA768FC7A@steve-lawson.co.uk> <00ba01c60e47$13d91ae0$0affff0a@hppav> <26ba8d120512311226q1c6e9c8cv7ffa42c4e5162d8d@mail.gmail.com> <00c301c60e4d$9b21ebc0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:01:42 +0000 (UTC) On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Cool. We disagree. You like mucking about in midi. I don't. That has nothing to do with it! Point is that this is a one-man shop -- he only has a limited amount of time and resources. If he makes the world's most amazing looper, people will buy it whether or not there's a footpedal -- conversely, if it isn't very good, people won't buy it even if it comes with a footpedal. And there's the risk factor. Designing a pedal that will last after someone steps on it a few tens of thousand times is difficult. Having two separate parts, the box and the pedal, doubles the chances that there will be a hardware problem that will necessitate a return.=20 Returns are incredibly costly, particularly when you are a small operation. I agree 100% with your other point, that the unit needs to have a good demo mode if it's to fly off the shelves. > > I disagree that "excellence" in footpedal design would be required. > > An EDP style footpedal (Record, Overdub...) with one more button to switc= h > "Loop Tracks" would widen the market for a Looperlative rackmount device = a > lot. > > The alternative is to require the purchase and programming of a > midi-footpedal so you can start and stop "Record" with your feet (because > your hands are busy on an instrument or because your rack is 15 feet away= ). > That right there will severely limit the market for this cool new tool. > > That stated, I assume there will be no footpedal for the Looperlative. A= nd > we can argue till the cows come home how much of a market is cut-off by > requiring the purchase and programming of a midi footpedal for the > Looperlative. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: looperlative control > > > I don't agree at all. MIDI footpedals are cheap and plentiful -- you > can just get one and plug it in the back. Excellence at looper design > doesn't imply excellence at footpedal design... I'd rather the time > was spent improving the looperlative rather than designing Yet Another > Footpedal. > > On 12/31/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Steve - Thanks for your answer. I'm a non-midi person. I don't use > > laptops. My selfish desire is to have a EDP style footpedal (Record, > > Overdub...) with one more button to switch "Loop Tracks." That would g= et > me > > a lot - perhaps more than I can imagine fully using right there. > > > > And I would very humbly suggest that such a non-midi footpedal would op= en > > the Looperlative up to a much larger marketplace of buyers. :-) > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Lawson" > > To: "Loop List" > > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM > > Subject: looperlative control > > > > > > > >>>So - if I'm understanding the implications of this posting, the > > > Looperlative > > > requires a Midi interface / footpedal to operate its functions. But, > > > does > > > that mean no functions are controllable without midi?<<< > > > > > > have a look at www.looperlative.com - the picture there shows the > > > front panel, which has button control for rec/overdub, play/stop and > > > then four user programmable buttons to whatever functions you want to > > > have on them. I have mine set to 'stop now' (the play/stop button is > > > quantised to the end of the loop), 'erase', 'all stop' and, er, > > > something else I can't remember... > > > > > > you can also access all the possible operations on any one track via > > > the buttons and dial (at the moment I'm doing all my feedback control > > > via the buttons and dial), and same with all the global functions > > > (overall volume, play all, stop all, etc.) > > > > > > But in case it's what you were asking, there are no other ways to > > > connect controllers at the moment than via the MIDI port - though I > > > guess it could be possible for Bob to write some kind of ethernet > > > thingie into the controller features at some point so you could rig > > > something up via your PC. > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Steve > > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 02:03:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54C4D3BF81; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BwiDc/ASLoDtosmwWrvygj3zvme6voK+Lw53H8J0oyY4Ybe+/JjAoZpmyk+5+A0N; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220061122102200@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Happy New Year Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:10:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407ae772cf27d9acdd098ae525386d73da350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.77 Resent-Message-ID: <1Vsc1C.A.bp.OoIuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:03:58 +0000 (UTC) hee hee hee.... ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 12/31/2005 5:52:43 PM > Subject: Happy New Year > > A new loop cycle begins... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 02:07:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B253BF86; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a7601c60f41$4d5b5580$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <4325151.1136162159288.JavaMail.root@web19> Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:07:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 429, in=192417, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Heeh heeeh...it's amost down to it's pre-inflated price of $700, which is what I bought both of mine for at Musicians Friend before they jacked the price up. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Luis Angulo" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex > Wow! That $799.99 price is awesome. I wonder if AMS would price match it. It doesn't appear to be a sale or 'special' price on Sweetwater's website. > > Butch > ---- Luis Angulo wrote: > > this is so far the best price for a new one > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=echoplex&tt=1 > > cheers > > Luis > > > > --- Michael Pregeant wrote: > > > > > I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took > > > three weeks for it to > > > arrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd > > > buy mine from some place > > > that has price match, print out the musician's > > > friend artical, and take it > > > in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing > > > machine.. I'm definitely > > > satisfied with mine. > > > > > > On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the > > > past as Gibson seems > > > > to make them in batches, but since the recent > > > price bump they seem to > > > > have been available through mail order sources > > > with some reliability. > > > > Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told > > > prospective buyers that > > > > it had been discontinued, which fostered further > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > > > On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, all: > > > > > > > > > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for > > > $999.95 and they say > > > > they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain > > > EDP's. I'm thinking about > > > > popping for one after messing around with various > > > other loopers. I really > > > > miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a > > > percussion/drum beat and the efficient > > > > way to create additional loops on the EDP. If > > > Roland & Digitech would just > > > > put a few more features in their offerings they > > > would have some seriously > > > > nice boxes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > My Journal: > > > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > > > > > A bunch of the same stuff: > > > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > > > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > > > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 02:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66CBB3BF8E; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a8a01c60f42$1c8defc0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <8E1D9A6B-4233-4225-A0DA-C34104C37674@steve-lawson.co.uk> <003a01c60d5f$937f8560$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <013c01c60d79$0137b5f0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014d01c60d7b$ed060110$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <26ba8d120601011726y10bdc87ev7e7cad1af7dde276@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:13:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 92, in=54044, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:13:27 +0000 (UTC) I'll conceded to that, Tom. My comments mainly speak of fortune 500 companies, like the one I work for, where they can't afford not to do that sort of research because of hugeness of their investment, etc....and of course, they can afford it. Customer research is already built into R&D dollars for new product development in fortune 500 companies. It's a good thing to do as a safeguard, but it's not necessary if you have some smart and "in touch" cookies designing the product. Cheers, K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: feedback/features/new loopers... On 12/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Here's an example. I used to work in R&D for HP, and I managed a database > and tool that stored product requirements (features, behaviors, benefits, > priority, etc) for LaserJet printers. I worked with other folks in R&D and > future product marketing. They reviewed and collected requirements from > customers via various data collection methods - focus groups, surveys, > interviews with executives, industry analysts, and power users, etc. Once we > completed the requirement collection and validation, I used the tool to > generate various reports for marketing and R&D leads. They used that data in > R&D to drive the design of the product. This process helped us develop award > winning products. I specifically remember features that were developed > because of direct customer input. If we had left it up to the engineers to > design the product, that would have resulted in a product designed with > features that they thought were important, but which weren't necessarily > important to the target customer. The engineers often had a completely > different view of what features they wanted to build in to the > product...often driven by capability or leveraging their area of specialty, > or something else they were working on. I'm willing to bet that if you > probed all of the fortune 500 companies, you would find that they had a > similar process for designing products...and they wouldn't consider it a > process of mediocrity, but one of necessity to survive and compete in the > marketplace. While I agree that this is often a good strategy, a lot of really good things are built by a single person or a very small group of people with a vision without consulting the public -- for example, a lot of Google's output. Focus groups are great for creating innovative versions of things that already exist but if you have your own vision, you should run with it and, frankly, more or less ignore what anyone else thinks until you are finished. Often, people simply don't know what they want until they have it in their hands. All these almost-good loopers missing one or two features aren't an argument against this. If the creators really had an insight into looping, they'd have *known* that their box needed a feedback control, for example. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 02:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20CEB3BF99; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pqvO52FV0JR5/BaOh+MWO9Dhi4rCm49u86e6R8mY4MczTwpiBWNU7zfLAE9vRGpT; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200611222324220@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Wire re: The Dark Ages (musical decade association) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:23:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940815e51d6db91f47187569bf891cde1b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 02:17:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey! Remember Wire? "Touching Display" was one of the scariest songs of the decade. (Gotta love that warbling MXR flange and the cavernous reverb!) ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: mark francombe To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 12/31/2005 7:41:15 AM Subject: re: The Dark Ages (musical decade association) Fascinating stuff both Kim and Rick, for my 2 pennys I would add to Ricks "where did the 80's begin and end?" stuff by asking... WHICH EIGHTIES? When "the Absolute 80's" compilations and/or club nites pop up now, it NOT the 80's I remember!!! Where was I for Kate Bush, for take my breath away for Duran Duran for Maddona for girls just wanna have fun for walk like an egyptian for bat outa hell???? I should be so fucking lucky? lucky lucky lucky...! Like Kim, I remember the dark 80's, it was for me a decade that started with Industrial music Circa Throbbing Gristle and ended with Industrial music Circa Ministry. In between was Joy Division, Cure, Birthday Party, Feotus, Neubauten, and of course Kraftwerk, which Kim correctly asserts as the link between many ages and genres. (Hadnt thought of Sabbath... but I see it now... just wasnt a Sabbath fan myself so chucked it in with "Rawk en Rowl!") Thank GOD for MY 80's!!! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14576 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hey! Remember Wire?
"Touching Display" was one of the scariest songs of the decade.
(Gotta love that warbling MXR flange and the cavernous reverb!)
~Tim
 
 
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Subject: re: The Dark Ages (musical decade association)

Fascinating stuff both Kim and Rick,  for my 2 pennys I would add to Ricks "where did the 80's begin and end?" stuff by asking...
 
WHICH EIGHTIES?
 
When "the Absolute 80's" compilations and/or club nites pop up now, it NOT the 80's I remember!!!
Where was I for Kate Bush, for take my breath away for Duran Duran  for Maddona for girls just wanna have fun for walk like an egyptian for bat outa hell????
 
I should be so fucking lucky? lucky lucky lucky...!
 
Like Kim, I remember the dark 80's, it was for me a decade that started with Industrial music Circa Throbbing Gristle and ended with Industrial music Circa Ministry. In between was Joy Division, Cure, Birthday Party, Feotus, Neubauten, and of course Kraftwerk, which Kim correctly asserts as the link between many ages and genres. (Hadnt thought of Sabbath... but I see it now... just wasnt a Sabbath fan myself so chucked it in with "Rawk en Rowl!")
 
 
Thank GOD for MY 80's!!!
 
 
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 03:47:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6343BF93; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 03:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NoQVajeE1zEerzooETgSuDia5889/vzJhg6G+EjjYS5Blvtig+DNJPq54+tWFQ5Ma4QSW37vqfcLgp3lLEAV8pM0UhjGT/qoHQmsc2pHQxytuBJWS8HBw4L/wggCtZXWor6wFZSdpeNDFnsL3fWyMKhaekCU2OKjuetnSCgTNRw= ; Message-ID: <20060102034721.65660.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 19:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a7601c60f41$4d5b5580$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 03:47:24 +0000 (UTC) sweetwater's $799 is the regular price. bought it at that price a few months ago and it seems to have held steady. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 04:57:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045793BF6D; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b7201c60f59$0de427c0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Derek Bailey MP3 Files for Download (almost 3 hours worth) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 21:57:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B6E_01C60F1E.60B10FD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.345000 NakedCR=2.0,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 92, in=54082, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 04:57:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B6E_01C60F1E.60B10FD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0B6F_01C60F1E.60B10FD0" ------=_NextPart_001_0B6F_01C60F1E.60B10FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alrighty, I spent some time downloading this monster MP3 of Derek = Bailey, and then I split it up into separate MP3 files named from the = song list. Feel free to download. http://box.net/public/khartung/folders/153916.html ...I still can't get over his version of Stella by Starlight. I read that toward the end of his career, he had carpel tunnel really = bad, and he couldn't hold a pick. He resorted to basically whacking the = strings with his thumb, in almost a Japanese stringed instrument manner. = Nothing stopped this guy. Cheers, Kris Buy Xperimentus! 13 performances from Looper's Delight members. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen4 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Derek Bailey > Not sure if this is cool with everyone or not, but I viewed the m3u = file of > this program and found the direct url to the MP3, which is over 3 = hours long > and downloadable...plus it's 176MB. >=20 > http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/JA/ja051226.mp3 >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Michael Peters" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM > Subject: Derek Bailey >=20 >=20 > > A three-hour tribute to the late Derek Bailey from WFMU is posted = for > > download here: > > http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/17495 > > > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_001_0B6F_01C60F1E.60B10FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Alrighty, I spent some time downloading = this=20 monster MP3 of Derek Bailey, and then I split it up into separate MP3 = files=20 named from the song list. Feel free to download.
 
http://box.net/public/khartung/folders/153916.html
 
...I still can't get over his version = of Stella by=20 Starlight.
 
I read that toward the end of his = career, he had=20 carpel tunnel really bad, and he couldn't hold a pick. He resorted to = basically=20 whacking the strings with his thumb, in almost a Japanese stringed = instrument=20 manner. Nothing stopped this guy.
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
Buy Xperimentus! 13=20 performances
from Looper's Delight members.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: Derek = Bailey

> Not sure if this is cool with everyone or not, but I = viewed the m3u=20 file of
> this program and found the direct url to the MP3, which = is over=20 3 hours long
> and downloadable...plus it's 176MB.
> =
>=20 http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/JA/ja051226.mp3<= BR>>
> Kris
>
>
> ----- = Original=20 Message -----
> From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>
> To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:03 AM
> = Subject:=20 Derek Bailey
>
>
> > A three-hour tribute to the = late=20 Derek Bailey from WFMU is posted for
> > download here:
> = >=20 http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/17495
> >
> >
> >
> > = -Michael
>=20 >
> >
> >
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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 05:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Happy New Year everyone, all the best for 06=20 and welcome back to things PiNG. First up let me introduce Jamie Todd, as the new voice of the PiNG. After 6 years, I'm passing him the promo baton and he's excited to be the main point of contact now for THE AMBiENT PiNG, while I focus on new dreamSTATE CD releases. New things are planned for 06. For example, as our Between Sets CD has proven to be very popular, Jamie is initiating a Before Sets CD as a regular weekly feature. Stay tuned for more news from Jamie on live ambient, chillout and experimental music presentations. Peace, Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 3rd 2006 - Repair/Self-Service=20 A cacophony of electronic and acoustic instruments. A mixed=20 bag of sampled loops, surf guitar, live bass, electronic=20 and acoustic drums. Synth and ambient back ground noise.=20 Processed vocals. Some happy accidents. An early 90's reunion of sorts. A collaboration of former=20 high school friends revisiting the days of making noise=20 in their parents basements featuring Jakob Thiesen,=20 Rebecca McLellan, Mark & Matt Thibideau & Dawn Lewis. And some of your favourite 90's hits like you've never=20 heard them before (a basket of post christmas swag to=20 anyone who can even identify them). http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html http://www.repair-lab.com/ . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD - "A Rainbow In Curved Air" by Terry Riley This 1969 landmark recording from the minimalist master=20 Terry Riley was an early influence on many old PiNGers and it still inspires us today. http://www.terryriley.com/ Between Sets CD - "Terraforms" by Sylken One of our favourite release from 2005, the latest by local=20 ambient electronic ensemble Sylken - featuring Steven Sauv=E9,=20 Wally Jericho, URM, Terry O'Brien, Greg Kyryluk and project=20 leader Eric Hopper. http://www.sylken.ca=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 10th - Methuselah with Rob Cruickshank Visuals=20 http://www.feastyourears.com/methuselah.htm=20 http://www.robcruickshank.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Remanence have always been a project who has paid careful=20 attention to all of the details and nuances of their music,=20 a project who care about every little thing down to the finest=20 point. It's evident from the first note to the last that=20 Remanence are very focused on what they do. And with the=20 release of their latest disc "A Strange Constellation of Events",=20 Remanence have crafted another beautiful and wonderful=20 collection of finely honed tracks that are sure to inspire=20 the imaginations of new and old fans alike. The disc begins with the short staccato morse code of "Signal=20 Hill", a slowly building ambient drift where languid pads weave=20 through each other to create beautiful patterns. "Reflecting=20 Pool (prelude)" follows, a short work suggesting discovery=20 and observation, a vision of things to come. Those of you=20 familiar with Remanence's earlier work will be pleased to find=20 a remixed version of the track "Lamkhyer", a darkly beguiling=20 track filled with tiny details and hidden wonder. "Nocturne"=20 is a lovely flight through slowly roiling waves of sound, small percussive landmarks passing by at irregular intervals. =20 Dark and lonely, this one has so much space in it that it's=20 almost oppressive, but in the best possible way. Trust me on this one. "The Reflecting Pool" delivers on earlier=20 suggestions, ideas and forms culminating in a sweeping=20 and beautiful track that works as a wonderful centrepiece=20 and a fitting end to the first half of the album. "Stress" opens the second half of the disc, setting the=20 tone for a darker suite of tracks with an abstract ambient=20 piece where found sounds and field recordings create a=20 dark and enigmatic environment. "It Gazes Also Into You"=20 follows, resplendent in drone-y goodness, sounds echoing=20 and swelling through the abyss, chasms of molten magma=20 flowing around its edge. Stunning work that I would love=20 to hear built and expanded upon in a longer form piece. =20 "Echo Canyon III" presents a sparse and minimal drone=20 track where tones rise and fall in volume, sliding subtly=20 through the sound spectrum. "A Reply Beyond Oblivion"=20 uses metallic tones and other sounds to continue the=20 minimalist darkness of the last piece. The disc closes=20 with the track "First Light", a slowly building drone=20 that returns to the brighter sounds of the first half=20 of the disc, suggesting a cyclical nature to the work=20 herein, the idea of a loop that spins forever. Needless to say, "A Strange Constellation of Events" is=20 a very impressive work, one that connects on many levels,=20 both emotionally and mentally. Surely an excellent disc=20 for one to discover Remanence's work if you aren't=20 already familiar with it, or for those who are, a chance to revisit a tremendous talent. =20 Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 06:44:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3C33BF7F; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KwGEjlaXk1lhSUtWZQI8qhcBqTIuiA7pVBoTSVKN7cIU7ovE07+kjLiPMQezb1RGKWK5TXe9SI/TdpN4mBoxqnCYgUQoilJ+OBkN2vwWWJGzXQx84486L7PH9e0Vr2zq5ooRMOiutBwbOZiMva0UrCoZyuytx4iTZ98nPHPnXlc= ; Message-ID: <20060102064404.34495.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 22:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-2200611215617110@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1C2cf.A.vV.1uMuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Forbidden Planet is in my rotation of movies to project while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty damn interesting. Can you believe Leslie Neilsen went on to do the Airplane movies? I love the part where Robbie (Available now for purchase for $50K on Hammicker Shlemicker) makes booze for the drunk cook. Other great movies to loop to are Tron, James and the Giant Peach, Willie Wonka... Mark __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 13:03:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 151643BF91; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bc501c60f9c$e912b530$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060102064404.34495.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 06:03:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BC1_01C60F62.3BC70C30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 NakedCR=2.0 X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 428, in=187890, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <58M0N.A.Uf.eSSuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:03:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BC1_01C60F62.3BC70C30 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0BC2_01C60F62.3BC70C30" ------=_NextPart_001_0BC2_01C60F62.3BC70C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Forbidden Planet is in my rotation of movies to > project while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty > damn interesting.=20 ...then of course there is the psychedelic space travel scene on 2001 a = Space Odyssey, where Dave Bowman is traveling through the Monolith. Now = that deserves a loop track!!! Hmmmmm, what do I have on my schedule = today... Maybe the original Russian Solaris too, the scenes at the end where the = planet is going crazy. Kris ............................................................. ............................................................. ....... . . . . . . ............ . . . ........ . . .. . . .. Are you Xperienced? Find out here: www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus/ http://cdbaby.com/cd/krispen4 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet > Forbidden Planet is in my rotation of movies to > project while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty > damn interesting. Can you believe Leslie Neilsen went > on to do the Airplane movies? I love the part where > Robbie (Available now for purchase for $50K on > Hammicker Shlemicker) makes booze for the drunk cook. >=20 > Other great movies to loop to are Tron, James and the > Giant Peach, Willie Wonka... >=20 >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________=20 > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about.=20 > Just $16.99/mo. or less.=20 > dsl.yahoo.com=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_001_0BC2_01C60F62.3BC70C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Forbidden Planet is in my rotation = of movies=20 to
> project while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty
> = damn=20 interesting. 
 
...then of course there is the = psychedelic space=20 travel scene on 2001 a Space Odyssey, where Dave Bowman is traveling = through the=20 Monolith. Now that deserves a loop track!!! Hmmmmm, what do I have on my = schedule today...
 
Maybe the original Russian Solaris too, = the scenes=20 at the end where the planet is going crazy.
 
Kris
 
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From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: Forbidden = Planet

> Forbidden Planet is in my rotation of movies to
> = project=20 while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty
> damn = interesting.  Can=20 you believe Leslie Neilsen went
> on to do the Airplane = movies?  I=20 love the part where
> Robbie (Available now for purchase for $50K=20 on
> Hammicker Shlemicker) makes booze for the drunk cook.
> =
> Other great movies to loop to are Tron, James and the
> = Giant=20 Peach, Willie Wonka...
>
>
> Mark
>
> =
>=20
> __________________________________________
> Yahoo! DSL = -=20 Something to write home about.
> Just $16.99/mo. or less. =
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Looperlative Forum Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:15:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I registered at the Looperlative Forum but I can not log in and as a result of that I can't post there. I was able to register fine and I even received a mail to confirm my registration. Using this, confirmed, username and password I'm the site refuses to accept me. I'm getting the error message "You have specified an incorrect username or password". I did a little troubleshooting by registering another user and password but was given the same treatment. So far I have tried Firefox and Safari under Mac OS 10.4.3. Any ideas? http://www.looperlative.com/forum/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 14:50:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B0E3BF3F; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <06e301c60e67$66fe73d0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <06e301c60e67$66fe73d0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <07FC96F1-D4CC-4A42-AF05-AD93FAD673D6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Urgent questions on Looperlative Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:50:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang, I was going to post these questions at the Looperlative forum but wasn't allowed to post, due to some bug in the dynamic sever functionality. So here we go: Since Looperlative appeared on the scene I have taken back an unpublished "Live Looping" article manuscript for a Swedish guitar player magazine to update the text. For a comparison chart I need some help regarding Looperlative. If someone happen to know about the functions I marked with a question, or if you notice a mistake in my Looperlative understanding, please speak out now before I send the manuscript back to the magazine! Since Looperlative is one of twelve loopers I'm comparing in a chart, I'm not going into extremely specific functions that may be an option on some specific looping device. Those things are dealt with in the text, outside of this chart. The chart is for comparing common general looping functions. Looperlative Overdub: Yes Feedback: Yes Undo: Yes Multiply: Yes Quantization: Yes Reverse loop: Yes MIDI: Yes Presets: Yes Sync: Yes "Cut'n Paste": ? Pitch Transposing: No Timestretschinig: No Tap Tempo after recording loop: ? Max number of loops: Many! (memory dependent) Multiple loops in poly rhythm: Yes Channels: 8 stereo Stereo: Yes Saving loops to physical storage medium: Yes Built-in memory: 128 MB Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 15:56:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1883BF29; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gsh9cXUoR0fD871eoPZJ0tt32LneRnsFanYrkVLWs81JoYExeFCPJbcjPK/KVXvarq70XirokCuOkbx7GB9z1O9Y7GqvqJdihX0xA1ZsR97hX1fkw2/Ot7sOBfq4E5dEIATcosqod3UhpVh1Ecy32DUdPp31uuHK9jlQrE9H6Ak= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:56:18 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Urgent questions on Looperlative In-Reply-To: <07FC96F1-D4CC-4A42-AF05-AD93FAD673D6@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <06e301c60e67$66fe73d0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <07FC96F1-D4CC-4A42-AF05-AD93FAD673D6@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:56:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm just curious as to what a non-physical storage medium might be... TravisH On 1/2/06, Per Boysen wrote: > The chart is for comparing common > general looping functions. > > Looperlative > > Overdub: Yes > Feedback: Yes > Undo: Yes > Multiply: Yes > Quantization: Yes > Reverse loop: Yes > MIDI: Yes > Presets: Yes > Sync: Yes > "Cut'n Paste": ? > Pitch Transposing: No > Timestretschinig: No > Tap Tempo after recording loop: ? > Max number of loops: Many! (memory dependent) > Multiple loops in poly rhythm: Yes > Channels: 8 stereo > Stereo: Yes > Saving loops to physical storage medium: Yes > Built-in memory: 128 MB > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 15:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B52C73BF3B; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bfLZjpHk6zf7EU+EFQvOhB9HUst9+eC4feV2TS+onKr4/AAz4EJTUp4vIpHGNL6Lln5whP3tOWi7EmpK0fJnhzEO1Wl/70K46vZOjFkTX8SSIGFRszAtGUZvyVaqBvzOgBglUbpIDn3whxHVY1Oi4LGcyBf71Z3JjwcyWdJL/Z4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:58:14 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet In-Reply-To: <0bc501c60f9c$e912b530$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060102064404.34495.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0bc501c60f9c$e912b530$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) For that sort of thing Koyaanisqatsi also seems an obvious match. TravisH On 1/2/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Forbidden Planet is in my rotation of movies to > > project while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty > > damn interesting. > > ...then of course there is the psychedelic space travel scene on 2001 a > Space Odyssey, where Dave Bowman is traveling through the Monolith. Now t= hat > deserves a loop track!!! Hmmmmm, what do I have on my schedule today... > > Maybe the original Russian Solaris too, the scenes at the end where the > planet is going crazy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 16:00:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 730193BF4D; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : Login problem at the Looperlative Forum Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:00:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c60fb5$a9a1d390$38999d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <7AEE1CCA-A9C4-4781-86A1-6ABB5D6FAEFD@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per,=20 I did try to post on the looperlative forum too some time ago and got the following message : php error phpBB : Critical Error=20 Could not open Looperlative template config file DEBUG MODE Line : 361 File : functions.php=20 I sent it to Bob but I guess he's busy to something else these days as Jan 19th gets close ;-) all the best wishes to all on the list from France :-)) Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Envoy=E9 : lundi 2 janvier 2006 15:16 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Login problem at the Looperlative Forum Hi, I registered at the Looperlative Forum but I can not log in and as a =20 result of that I can't post there. I was able to register fine and I =20 even received a mail to confirm my registration. Using this, =20 confirmed, username and password I'm the site refuses to accept me. =20 I'm getting the error message "You have specified an incorrect =20 username or password". I did a little troubleshooting by registering =20 another user and password but was given the same treatment. So far I have tried Firefox and Safari under Mac OS 10.4.3. Any ideas? http://www.looperlative.com/forum/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 16:35:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45B973BF47; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:34:16 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex Message-ID: <20060102163416.GA4254@tanawana> References: <4325151.1136162159288.JavaMail.root@web19> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4325151.1136162159288.JavaMail.root@web19> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.60 () [Tag at 15.00] URIBL_SBL X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 10.16.16.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Bought mine there also, a month ago. Good deal on the foot pedal also with no shipping. No complaints here. On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:35:59PM -0500, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Wow! That $799.99 price is awesome. I wonder if AMS would price match it. It doesn't appear to be a sale or 'special' price on Sweetwater's website. > > Butch > ---- Luis Angulo wrote: > > this is so far the best price for a new one > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=echoplex&tt=1 > > cheers > > Luis > > > > --- Michael Pregeant wrote: > > > > > I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took > > > three weeks for it to > > > arrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd > > > buy mine from some place > > > that has price match, print out the musician's > > > friend artical, and take it > > > in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing > > > machine.. I'm definitely > > > satisfied with mine. > > > > > > On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the > > > past as Gibson seems > > > > to make them in batches, but since the recent > > > price bump they seem to > > > > have been available through mail order sources > > > with some reliability. > > > > Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told > > > prospective buyers that > > > > it had been discontinued, which fostered further > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > > > On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, all: > > > > > > > > > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for > > > $999.95 and they say > > > > they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain > > > EDP's. I'm thinking about > > > > popping for one after messing around with various > > > other loopers. I really > > > > miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a > > > percussion/drum beat and the efficient > > > > way to create additional loops on the EDP. If > > > Roland & Digitech would just > > > > put a few more features in their offerings they > > > would have some seriously > > > > nice boxes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > My Journal: > > > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > > > > > A bunch of the same stuff: > > > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > > > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > > > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 17:21:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD3F3BEF6; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CABzuuEOCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060102171841.02862eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:20:50 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Urgent questions on Looperlative In-Reply-To: <20060102155621.D522B3BF2A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060102155621.D522B3BF2A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC) At 15:56 02/01/06, Per wrote: >I was going to post these questions at the Looperlative forum but >wasn't allowed to post, due to some bug in the dynamic sever >functionality. So here we go: hi Per, I signed up yesterday, it was working fine. As it's 'urgent' I posted your questions for you in a new topic. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 17:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827D03BF0D; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Availability of Echoplex Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:23:27 -0600 Message-ID: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49B90230@EMAIL.gibson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Availability of Echoplex Thread-Index: AcYPusNYE2Zq00UFSdmzblVf4eQhhgABic1g From: "Kevin Van Pamel" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Hello All and Happy New Year, This is Kevin Van Pamel from Gibson Labs. We currently have the EDPP and Footswitch in stock and all of our backorders are filled as far as I can tell. I hope this is helpful. Best Regards, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: rick [mailto:bs@tanawana.com]=20 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Availability of Echoplex Bought mine there also, a month ago. Good deal on the foot pedal also with no shipping. No complaints here. On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 07:35:59PM -0500, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Wow! That $799.99 price is awesome. I wonder if AMS would price match it. It doesn't appear to be a sale or 'special' price on Sweetwater's website. >=20 > Butch > ---- Luis Angulo wrote:=20 > > this is so far the best price for a new one > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=3Dechoplex&tt=3D1 > > cheers > > Luis > >=20 > > --- Michael Pregeant wrote: > >=20 > > > I just got an Echoplex from guitar Center.. it took > > > three weeks for it to > > > arrive. It was listed for 999 for me too.. but I'd > > > buy mine from some place > > > that has price match, print out the musician's > > > friend artical, and take it > > > in there and get it for 950. But it is an amazing > > > machine.. I'm definitely > > > satisfied with mine. > > >=20 > > > On 12/31/05, Travis Hartnett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The EDP has been difficult to get ahold of in the > > > past as Gibson seems > > > > to make them in batches, but since the recent > > > price bump they seem to > > > > have been available through mail order sources > > > with some reliability. > > > > Some Gibson dealers have also mistakenly told > > > prospective buyers that > > > > it had been discontinued, which fostered further > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > > > On 12/31/05, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, all: > > > > > > > > > > The Echoplex Digital Pro is listed at AMS for > > > $999.95 and they say > > > > they're in stock. I thought it was hard to obtain > > > EDP's. I'm thinking about > > > > popping for one after messing around with various > > > other loopers. I really > > > > miss the MIDI sync feature to drive a > > > percussion/drum beat and the efficient > > > > way to create additional loops on the EDP. If > > > Roland & Digitech would just > > > > put a few more features in their offerings they > > > would have some seriously > > > > nice boxes. > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > -- > > > My Journal: > > > www.xanga.com/michaelrpregeant > > >=20 > > > A bunch of the same stuff: > > > www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant > > > www.audiri.com/michaelpregeant > > > www.purevolume.com/michaelpregeant > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > www.luis-angulo.com > >=20 > >=20 > > =09 > > =09 > > __________________________________=20 > > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.=20 > > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 19:00:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 221DA3BEF0; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Excerpts of David Torn interview in the book "The Art of Digital Music" Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:59:41 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c60fce$b6403a60$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Posting this because some aspects of recent discussions are touched. Bernhard >From the book "The Art of Digital Music", David Battino, Kelli Richards; Backbeat Books, 2005 (http://www.artofdigitalmusic.com/), p. 106, 107 David Torn www.splattercell.com Q: You said recently that you really wished "more attention would be = paid to live looping - by musicians, consumers, and manufacturers alike." What = are they missing? A: When there is live input, looping is a phenomenally capable musical instrument in its own right. That feeling of instant recording, that feedback loop, is so wonderful for almost any performer, [...] I'm about to get involved with a new secret piece of software that's = meant to be a live-performance looping device; it's not unlike [Cycling '74] RadiaL, but with a different set of conceptual paradigms. [...] Q: When you move to the computer, are you forced to work differently? A: [...] the user interface for looping on the computer requires a = different mindset. The general paradigm is, "Okay, let me drop in this loop from = this sample disc," [...] I believe that the laptop computer could indeed become the next level of live-performance looping device. But the biggest problem, and the thing = that I wish I could convince somebody to do, is to develop a semiconfigurable physical interface for a looping device. That to me is the nut of why = live looping hasn't really caught the fancy of a manufacturer and, therefore, = the public. When there is a physical interface that is more visceral, then the = audience can tell that what's happening is happening because the performer is = doing it. [...] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 2 20:08:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BEBD3BEB5; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r0BqwjtiI5Kb1+W+PrVOF846nvODpn5SyhOMvdeCflZNXTS3KYjcs1Z78bdt5KglLEcTyxbe/RrVz/buee/3A2BK80YUMAH1xizFS4GnWzMEXuZMCJow+df0EKsQRCedpFs9Z8hkGf98bNdxvt2fb7IMlMkKpYNN4dkM6D09K+Q= ; Message-ID: <20060102200840.69199.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43B019D0.5060609@tiscali.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Hey thanx a million for the tip i have talked to Axel,what a nice guy!it turns out he is working on the next Adrian Belew model a Parker fly which is going to have every toy you can imagine built in-sustainer,hex,midi,variax guitar modeling but is probably going to cost somewhere around 7 grand:-( i was also thrilled when he answered my mail in spanish,i didnt know he was latinamerican! Luis --- FZ wrote: > The one, the only - Axel Rudich at AR Guitar, a > master in this exactly > this kind of work and incredibly helpful via e-mail > too. Contact him at > info@arguitar.com > > Luis Angulo wrote: > > >Hi gang, > >is anybody using a fernandes sustainer model guitar > >with either an RMC or graphtech hex pickup system > on > >this list? i would like to try this configuration > on > >my fernandes sustainer guitat but would first like > to > >hear experiences comments and most important who > can > >do this sort of installations with plenty of > >experience if possble in california. > >thanx > >Luis > > > >www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:05:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245A23BEB9; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102154532.051f2960@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digitech pmc-10 In-Reply-To: References: <38D14ED9-A62F-46FA-BB82-86F78CC077C2@steve-lawson.co.uk> <057301c60e24$f9558220$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <05HCC.A.6jB.1-buDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:05:10 +0000 (UTC) At 08:25 AM 12/31/2005, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Wasn't there some sort of memory-dropping issue with the PMC-10, or >was that just related to old-gear-with-a-battery-that-needs-replacing? I've had the impression it was the battery dying. If you get one of these pedals, you should probably get the battery replaced. The PMC-10 has been out of production a long time now, so the battery is likely dead or close to it in any unit you find. The PMC-10 yahoo group has discussion of where/how to replace the battery: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pmc10/ Having Sean Echevarria's PMC-10 editor "Raymond" makes it very easy to create/restore backups, and makes me feel a lot more secure about using this pedal. I've found this very valuable. Raymond also makes patch editing a breeze. Here is a link to Sean's site: http://creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/ The hand programmer that came with the PMC-10 was not too hard to use, but mine used to break or get dirty switch contacts all the time. Now I never use the hand programmer and instead use Raymond. But if you did need to access the pedal that way and your hand programmer is busted, Bernhard has this useful site showing how to do it from the parallel port of a PC: http://nosuch.biz/pmc10/parallel The PMC-10 had things pretty close to perfect for a MIDI pedal. They really thought it out well. The hardware could have been a little more reliable, but it's not that bad if you take some care of it. It really shined in the full functionality and interface. Incredibly flexible, and not hard to use at all. It didn't have any of these arbitrary limitations that people complain about all the time on much newer pedals. I wish somebody would make a new pedal that simply copies it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F00C3BEDE; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102160732.04ba7168@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:11:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digitech pmc-10 In-Reply-To: <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> References: <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:09:32 +0000 (UTC) At 01:29 PM 12/31/2005, Zoe Keating wrote: >That does look like the right size! Thanks Kim, I'll see if I can get my >hands on one. > >Just what I need...another piece of discontinued gear in my rig! yeah, for touring you may want to look for a second one as a spare just in case. These guys are starting to get pretty old now, since it is discontinued for quite a while. They are harder to find in good condition. And don't forget to backup your patches! By the way, does anybody know when the PMC-10 was first produced and when it was discontinued? kim >On Dec 31, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>Digitech PMC-10 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:15:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BECF3BEEA; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: digitech pmc-10 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:15:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102160732.04ba7168@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYP+fitluqUis8tTgC2kPE6PMIX4AAABCWQ Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EtZpX3D4t-0003bq@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <0ZXX1C.A.d3B.XIcuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:15:19 +0000 (UTC) The one I used for awhile would add about a 100ms delay to note-on messages (PMC-10 > EDP, nothing in between). Maybe it was unique to mine or mine was goofy, but it got difficult compensating for the delay during a gig where I wanted loops somewhat in sync with everything else. It always amazed me that people who make midi controllers didn't ever make a more robust copy of a PMC-10...the closest we have today might be the FCB1010 with the unofficial firmware, but it still isn't close. I mean, most controllers only will send limited CC messages over limited channels. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > At 01:29 PM 12/31/2005, Zoe Keating wrote: > >That does look like the right size! Thanks Kim, I'll see if > I can get > >my hands on one. > > > >Just what I need...another piece of discontinued gear in my rig! > > yeah, for touring you may want to look for a second one as a > spare just in case. These guys are starting to get pretty old > now, since it is discontinued for quite a while. They are > harder to find in good condition. > And don't forget to backup your patches! > > By the way, does anybody know when the PMC-10 was first > produced and when it was discontinued? > > kim > > > >On Dec 31, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > >>Digitech PMC-10 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:22:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E073BEF0; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dHo9mndxzrxfwkiNk/oxwpDsE2l+D/SozRi1kWtjxdCIi3NfxEJ9BywJGdLwumOsOo9rfGJolkXq1C9hoN3ES4NPqeShdcdCtqy7FdY2MMEzNKt1eBIJPcRFO1sGJ0P3HBaMQRWgCeeebIFHsWpdfBmK8De39e6QcNNLxy58V/I= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601021622q39137f48q2b71c410a2b20409@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:22:52 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Excerpts of David Torn interview in the book "The Art of Digital Music" In-Reply-To: <003101c60fce$b6403a60$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003101c60fce$b6403a60$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:22:55 +0000 (UTC) On 1/2/06, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Posting this because some aspects of recent discussions are touched. > Bernhard > > > From the book "The Art of Digital Music", David Battino, Kelli Richards; > Backbeat Books, 2005 (http://www.artofdigitalmusic.com/), p. 106, 107 Jumping off at a tangent slightly, is this a good & useful book? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:34:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51C53BEFF; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: digitech pmc-10 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:34:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102160732.04ba7168@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:34:55 +0000 (UTC) On this thread, I wanted to mention that I just sent an e-mail to Lehle, the German company that makes amazing amp and effects loop switchers and i asked them if they would consider developing a midi foot controller, as they have a reputation for impeccable workmanship and very mechanically quiet switching. Perhaps if others on the list were to follow suit, maybe collectively, we could rouse some companies interest in this niche product that needs to be built. The other reason I chose this particular company is they are already in the niche market, and might have more appreciation for this particular need. They will be at NAMM this year. I suggest those of you going stop by their booth and beg and plead for some one, anyone to step forward and build what obviously is a growing need among both hardware and software loopers. Right now the choices are the much maligned behringer (which works for me but I want something better), the very pricey DMC ground control , maybe some Rolls and Nobels stuff of limited functionality, and good sophisticated stuff like the PMC-10 and original DMC ground control which are becoming more scarce. I think problems range from manufacturers reluctance to keep midi protocol alive (in the wake of the softsynth, and DAW revolution) and the desire to build products with proprietary footswitches (to maximize profits), instead of midi controllers that can work with a varity of different brands. its frustrating to say the least. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digitech pmc-10 At 01:29 PM 12/31/2005, Zoe Keating wrote: >That does look like the right size! Thanks Kim, I'll see if I can get my >hands on one. > >Just what I need...another piece of discontinued gear in my rig! yeah, for touring you may want to look for a second one as a spare just in case. These guys are starting to get pretty old now, since it is discontinued for quite a while. They are harder to find in good condition. And don't forget to backup your patches! By the way, does anybody know when the PMC-10 was first produced and when it was discontinued? kim >On Dec 31, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>Digitech PMC-10 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B610F3BEFA; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:53:31 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looping as a top 10 gear innovation To: Message-id: <002001c61000$1eb59960$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060101172756.1A2F73BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> <002101c60f19$48d119a0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:46:51 +0000 (UTC) #8 makes me wonder, did any hit? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Looping as a top 10 gear innovation > Just so's ya know, my editor/co-looper at Guitar One magazine put together a > top 10 list for guitar gear innovations of the past decade (Guitar One being > 10 years old this month). It reads: > 1) Modeling > 2) Coated strings > 3) Replica signature guitars > 4) LOOPING! > 5) Taylor T-5 guitar > 6) Dedicated guitar interfaces > 7) Offshore guitar building > 8) Guitars aimed at women > 9) Accessory innovations > 10) TC Electronics G-System > Happy New Year! > dB > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 00:54:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A2003BF0B; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:01:31 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: foot controllers To: Message-id: <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:54:43 +0000 (UTC) If you don't have a particularly strong opinion on the matter, then maybe better to refrain from telling someone they "ought to see a doctor" until such time as you do. :-) As to how ease or hard it is to program a midi footpedal - the process you describe with the Looperlative sounds easy enough. Reading threads like the current "digitech pmc-10" thread (latencies, creating/restoring backing-ups, programming glitches, programming manuals...) have left me with the impression that midi pedals are generally not just "plug and play" simple. Travis' posting (below) seems to corroborate my impression. That level of hassle has actually stopped me from buying a number of pieces of technology. Perhaps the Looperlative design offers something new to this process. I think that would be awesome and I definitely look forward to seeing it. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: foot controllers Historically, MIDI control of looping hardware has required tedious programming of MIDI controllers since the looper was inflexible in what MIDI commands would trigger what function (EDP, Repeater). If there was a manual or comprehensive spec sheet online for the Looperlative, this sort of confusion would be avoided. TravisH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: re: foot controllers > >>BTW - The affect in your reply demonstrates you have a strong > opinion about > this. Strong opinions are good. They demand recognition. Affect > however > tends to distract from points being made, and cloud impartiality. Do > not be > surprised if others, with differing opinions, "rise" to your level of > emotion, too.<< > > david, not particularly strong opinions, just surprise that someone > would suggest that they would not buy a piece of kit when the process > was as easy as that. You said it, I expressed surprise. Neither a > strong opinion, nor a high level of emotion, just amazement that > someone who found that process hard was able to operate a computer > well enough to send an email to LD... clearly you're beyond that, so > we're all safe. > > ;o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 01:00:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 539133BF08; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 01:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Happy New Year Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:00:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 01:00:40 +0000 (UTC) We drove up yesterday morning from a New Years gig in Big Sur, on highway 1 in driving wind and rain, very hairy, but the drive down New Years Eve was luckily, during the lull between storms. Nancy and I played CDs from Riyusei Hattori (thanks for that and the photos), Andy Butler, and Bernard Wagner, and Ghost 7, to commemorate the lovely gig we had at the Henry Miller Library, not to mention the great day we had with all of you. The music made a perfect soundtrack for the dramatic weather and landscape. Missing was music from Mando Man (Hideki Nakanishi),whoes CD I couldn't find. Mando Man were are you? The gig itself was at the Eselan institute, and I managed to sneak in some looping (on my newly modified DL4), on an otherwise conventional RnB/Funk/Rock/Reggae gig. Actually, the singer loves it when I go psychedelic, and take it out, I think it gives him a break from singing ;-), not to mention a chance to shake his groove thing... Happy New Year May it be more peaceful, more productive, and less catastrophic than the last. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 02:14:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F23C3BF05; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eFfwblbxiFIc1K4hgXyujPLRR7CmjmIFJuZEKyUVUb4u0nWud2PFjvkv8XSzeUCJ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200612322019780@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:20:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403406b8e718a42dac44008e0673de6596350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:14:13 +0000 (UTC) I love how Leslie Neilsen rose above an absolutely fuck-awful childhood to become a star. Tron, huh? I remember the trailers and thought it the visuals were very interesting. I like that strange glow the characters have... or was that the 'ludes kicking in? (Just kidding ;-) > [Original Message] > From: mark sottilaro > To: > Date: 1/2/2006 1:44:05 AM > Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet > > Forbidden Planet is in my rotation of movies to > project while I'm playing, as the visuals are pretty > damn interesting. Can you believe Leslie Neilsen went > on to do the Airplane movies? I love the part where > Robbie (Available now for purchase for $50K on > Hammicker Shlemicker) makes booze for the drunk cook. > > Other great movies to loop to are Tron, James and the > Giant Peach, Willie Wonka... > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 02:35:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E02C53BEF6; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <0bc501c60f9c$e912b530$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060102064404.34495.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0bc501c60f9c$e912b530$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Forbidden Planet Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:35:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:35:09 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 2, 2006, at 7:03 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > ...then of course there is the psychedelic space travel scene on 2001 > a Space Odyssey, where Dave Bowman is traveling through the Monolith. > Now that deserves a loop track!!! Hmmmmm, what do I have on my > schedule today... Ligeti is pretty freaky already. --- Suit & Tie Guy http://suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 02:39:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94CFD3BF14; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SUqDIDUxWZJ+PQstpwmddgCZOjD9eYgEMnV/ZFQ7K+V4lj/bpXvFGLLcWAsl8KnK; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200612324542530@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:45:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b94502f7415b8b6ee76d7c0516a4806f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:39:35 +0000 (UTC) A Parker Fly, huh? Will it have my favorite feature? That nifty-keen upper cutaway that stabs you in the solar plexus? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Luis Angulo > To: > Date: 1/2/2006 3:08:41 PM > Subject: Re: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems > > Hey thanx a million for the tip i have talked to > Axel,what a nice guy!it turns out he is working on the > next Adrian Belew model a Parker fly which is going to > have every toy you can imagine built > in-sustainer,hex,midi,variax guitar modeling but is > probably going to cost somewhere around 7 grand:-( > i was also thrilled when he answered my mail in > spanish,i didnt know he was latinamerican! > Luis > > > --- FZ wrote: > > > The one, the only - Axel Rudich at AR Guitar, a > > master in this exactly > > this kind of work and incredibly helpful via e-mail > > too. Contact him at > > info@arguitar.com > > > > Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > >Hi gang, > > >is anybody using a fernandes sustainer model guitar > > >with either an RMC or graphtech hex pickup system > > on > > >this list? i would like to try this configuration > > on > > >my fernandes sustainer guitat but would first like > > to > > >hear experiences comments and most important who > > can > > >do this sort of installations with plenty of > > >experience if possble in california. > > >thanx > > >Luis > > > > > >www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 06:03:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF9AC3BF00; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Mics and FCB1010s Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:03:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick, I went looking for my beta 57's and couldn't find them, Do you have them? Also I borrowed your FCB1010 to check out the EDP. No midi response what so ever. and the EDP is really acting weird sometimes remaining in a power up cycle,with the LCD cycleing "loop 4 and numerical jibberish" sometimes not,and I'm able to make it work from the front panel. did you take this to Europe? It seems like handling the thing will make it crash, weird. Has it taken any hard hits? The front panel power switch seems funky and the voltage selector on the back seems sloppy, did you use the 220 voltage selector when in Europe? I'm sending it off to BAS in Illinois where I believe it has been before? Maybe the loop IV upgrade is corrupted. Love Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 07:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 657A63BF04; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,324,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="148821899:sNHT22087020" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060102230619.01175ab8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:19:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: digitech pmc-10 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102160732.04ba7168@loopers-delight.com> References: <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:20:36 +0000 (UTC) The first version of the manual is dated Feb 1992. The last version is dated Oct 1992. I'm pretty sure I saw it for sale in a 1995 American Musical Supply catalog. You bought yours around Dec1996 and noted then that it was discontinued ( http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199612/msg00085.html ). At 2006.01.02 04:11 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >By the way, does anybody know when the PMC-10 was first produced and when >it was discontinued? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 09:32:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5953BF0F; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102202329.0a0290f0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:34:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: digitech pmc-10 In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EtZpX3D4t-0003bq@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102160732.04ba7168@loopers-delight.com> <0MKp2t-1EtZpX3D4t-0003bq@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:32:40 +0000 (UTC) At 04:15 PM 1/2/2006, hazard factor wrote: >The one I used for awhile would add about a 100ms delay to note-on messages >(PMC-10 > EDP, nothing in between). Maybe it was unique to mine or mine was >goofy, but it got difficult compensating for the delay during a gig where I >wanted loops somewhat in sync with everything else. Are you talking about the similarly named Yamaha MFC-10 midi pedal? That one is well known to have a latency like you describe, rendering it fairly useless. But the Digitech PMC-10 didn't have such a problem, at least not in my experience. Andre LaFosse uses the digitech PMC-10 to do his fast action looping, and I doubt he would be able to navigate a 100ms latency and do all that crazy fast stuff! >It always amazed me that people who make midi controllers didn't ever make a >more robust copy of a PMC-10...the closest we have today might be the >FCB1010 with the unofficial firmware, but it still isn't close. >I mean, most controllers only will send limited CC messages over limited >channels. It is baffling. I think it would be so much simpler to design a midi controller that can send any midi command. Most of them assume their customers are morons, and therefore must be saved from themselves. So they introduce all sorts of limitations in order to "simplify" the user interface. In the process they usually make it more confusing and harder to use. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 09:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E583BF14; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: digitech pmc-10 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 04:43:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060102202329.0a0290f0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYQSKPk4kURWDGkSnOZVlTc6yb+5AAARXlA Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1Etihj29qA-0006PM@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:43:45 +0000 (UTC) No, this was a PMC-10, which I owned for about 6 months...I had asked around if anyone else had this problem, and replaced the battery, made sure it was the upgraded firmware...quite honestly, it just could have been a bad unit. When sending note-ons to a syth to trigger single notes it did the same. Maybe it was just that particular unit? In any case, I sold it and went back to the EDP footswitch. I'd like to give the PMC-10 another chance, but they are harder and harder to find. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > At 04:15 PM 1/2/2006, hazard factor wrote: > >The one I used for awhile would add about a 100ms delay to note-on > >messages (PMC-10 > EDP, nothing in between). Maybe it was unique to > >mine or mine was goofy, but it got difficult compensating > for the delay > >during a gig where I wanted loops somewhat in sync with > everything else. > > Are you talking about the similarly named Yamaha MFC-10 midi > pedal? That one is well known to have a latency like you > describe, rendering it fairly useless. But the Digitech > PMC-10 didn't have such a problem, at least not in my > experience. Andre LaFosse uses the digitech PMC-10 to do his > fast action looping, and I doubt he would be able to navigate > a 100ms latency and do all that crazy fast stuff! > > >It always amazed me that people who make midi controllers > didn't ever > >make a more robust copy of a PMC-10...the closest we have > today might > >be the FCB1010 with the unofficial firmware, but it still > isn't close. > >I mean, most controllers only will send limited CC messages over > >limited channels. > > It is baffling. I think it would be so much simpler to design > a midi controller that can send any midi command. Most of > them assume their customers are morons, and therefore must be > saved from themselves. So they introduce all sorts of > limitations in order to "simplify" the user interface. In the > process they usually make it more confusing and harder to use. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 10:06:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEFF93BF19; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <9A205C23-6A8C-4DB4-829E-710148643BA5@baymoon.com> References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9A205C23-6A8C-4DB4-829E-710148643BA5@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40E19B6D-6F99-4CED-9B88-F0A001AAE45D@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:09:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:06:53 +0000 (UTC) A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash) gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: http://y2k5.grubmah.com Sorry it took so long. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 14:37:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2D23BEF6; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e7c01c61073$1cfaa6b0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01b101c60119$3ffe04e0$49b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9A205C23-6A8C-4DB4-829E-710148643BA5@baymoon.com> <40E19B6D-6F99-4CED-9B88-F0A001AAE45D@baymoon.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:36:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 431, in=192895, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Very nice work, Mark. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:09 AM Subject: Y2K5 Pictures > A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash) > gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com > > Sorry it took so long. > > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 15:38:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0CE13BF1A; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:38:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c6107b$c1b62780$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYQcy7ay8/lb8wvQYKygR1MuJXU2gACBFUA In-Reply-To: <0e7c01c61073$1cfaa6b0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:38:57 +0000 (UTC) And it's nice to see the people associated with the music we could = listen to on the webcast (or now in Kris' archives), or which we sometimes know = (in my case only) from email contact or even an artistic collaboration. And to have a look and see: do the persons look like the music they play = - do they look like the personality they are (which the sometimes do, = somtimes don't do - at least for me). And I keep wondering: I understand how a guy manages to suddenly look decades older during the course of a set. How they manage to grow a long beard or even change their ethnicity is beyond my understanding ;-) (sorry, couldn't resist. Thanks for the effort, Mark!) Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Januar 2006 15:37 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 Pictures Very nice work, Mark.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:09 AM Subject: Y2K5 Pictures > A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash) =20 > gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: >=20 > http://y2k5.grubmah.com >=20 > Sorry it took so long. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 16:41:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3493BF1C; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43BAA94A.1080203@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:41:46 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: foot controllers References: <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:41:45 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer wrote: > As to how ease or hard it is to program a midi footpedal - the process you > describe with the Looperlative sounds easy enough. Reading threads like the > current "digitech pmc-10" thread (latencies, creating/restoring backing-ups, > programming glitches, programming manuals...) have left me with the > impression that midi pedals are generally not just "plug and play" simple. For me as I use programmable software, a pedal or footcontroler does not need any! programability. It could send whatever seems apropriate. I'd deal with it in the software. The concept of the Looperlative is exactly the optimum. Forget about programming your pedal ever again! Think in terms of flow of information. Its way easier to tell the loop box which you want to control, what your footpedal sends: just hit the button, move the pedal, than the other way round: to teach the footpedal what your gear wants to hear. You have to study Midi implementation charts and alike and finally hit some weird button combinations to make it happen if its able to do it at all. (technocratic nightmares invented from dip switch programmers) In other words, put the inteligence into the looper, not into the pedal. But of course there is gear which needs intelligent foot controllers unfortunately. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 16:53:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 052203BF21; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,326,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="148969222:sNHT22441204" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:53:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: foot controllers In-Reply-To: <43BAA94A.1080203@addcom.de> References: <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Does something like the FCB1010 come out of the box with default programming that is unique across its 128 presets? At 2006.01.03 08:41 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >For me as I use programmable software, a pedal or footcontroler does not >need any! programability. It could send whatever seems apropriate. I'd >deal with it in the software. > >The concept of the Looperlative is exactly the optimum. Forget about >programming your pedal ever again! > >Think in terms of flow of information. Its way easier to tell the loop box >which you want to control, what your footpedal sends: just hit the button, >move the pedal, than the other way round: to teach the footpedal what your >gear wants to hear. You have to study Midi implementation charts and alike >and finally hit some weird button combinations to make it happen if its >able to do it at all. (technocratic nightmares invented from dip switch >programmers) > >In other words, put the inteligence into the looper, not into the pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 17:51:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95EC63BF1F; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> References: <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C11D7B6-1636-4A33-B6B8-5EF92607FEED@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: foot controllers Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:51:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sean, I guess the answer to that is that there isn't yet anything "like the =20= FCB1010", as last weeks discussion on this board confirmed. And, =20 talking specifically FCB1010, the pedal does come loaded with =20 presets. But those are presets for some of Behringer's guitar pre =20 amps. If you get a FCB to use with "intelligent looping software" (as =20= Stefan puts it, below) the first thing you have to do is to reprogram =20= it to put the note numbers - starting from MIDI note number 1 - on =20 the one to ten buttons, spanning all ten banks. That makes a good =20 hundred of MIDI note number messages you can simply step on and have =20 the software/hardware "learn". A device - software or hardware - can not "MIDI learn" intelligently =20 if sent multiple MIDI messages. This is something you also have to =20 look out with on the FCB, because each button does activate as many =20 functions as you have assigned it. What also happens when you step =20 that button is that all those MIDI events are sent out in a "MIDI =20 data cluster" and there seems to be no way to assume witch one will =20 be the first to hit the listening "MIDI learn" device. I don't know =20 how Looperlative does monitor what MIDI event is being learned, but =20 when I do this quick MIDI learning in M=F6bius or Ableton Live I call =20= up a MIDI monitoring window on screen to make sure the right event is =20= getting "MIDI learned". The other, more labour intensive, way to do =20 it is to work the pedal and disable every FCB "pad" (as Behringer =20 call the functions associated with the buttons and pedals) except for =20= the one you want to teach your intelligent looping device. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On 3 jan 2006, at 17.53, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Does something like the FCB1010 come out of the box with default =20 > programming that is unique across its 128 presets? > > > At 2006.01.03 08:41 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> For me as I use programmable software, a pedal or footcontroler =20 >> does not need any! programability. It could send whatever seems =20 >> apropriate. I'd deal with it in the software. >> >> The concept of the Looperlative is exactly the optimum. Forget =20 >> about programming your pedal ever again! >> >> Think in terms of flow of information. Its way easier to tell the =20 >> loop box which you want to control, what your footpedal sends: =20 >> just hit the button, move the pedal, than the other way round: to =20 >> teach the footpedal what your gear wants to hear. You have to =20 >> study Midi implementation charts and alike and finally hit some =20 >> weird button combinations to make it happen if its able to do it =20 >> at all. (technocratic nightmares invented from dip switch =20 >> programmers) >> >> In other words, put the inteligence into the looper, not into the =20 >> pedal. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FE2E3BF0E; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:02:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcYQcy7ay8/lb8wvQYKygR1MuJXU2gACBFUAAAUUniA= In-Reply-To: <000b01c6107b$c1b62780$0601a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20060103180031.QVXE17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <0xnWXD.A.A7F.OxruDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Yes, very nice work Mark, thanks! Gary Lehmann Filling time From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:08:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87323BF26; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,326,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149004695:sNHT239828578" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:08:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: foot controllers In-Reply-To: <2C11D7B6-1636-4A33-B6B8-5EF92607FEED@boysen.se> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7sdxSD.A.7JG.h2ruDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:08:33 +0000 (UTC) At 2006.01.03 09:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >Hi Sean, > >I guess the answer to that is that there isn't yet anything "like the >FCB1010", as last weeks discussion on this board confirmed. I must have missed that... >And, >talking specifically FCB1010, the pedal does come loaded with >presets. But those are presets for some of Behringer's guitar pre >amps. If you get a FCB to use with "intelligent looping software" (as >Stefan puts it, below) the first thing you have to do is to reprogram >it to put the note numbers - starting from MIDI note number 1 - on >the one to ten buttons, spanning all ten banks. That makes a good >hundred of MIDI note number messages you can simply step on and have >the software/hardware "learn". > >A device - software or hardware - can not "MIDI learn" intelligently >if sent multiple MIDI messages. This is something you also have to >look out with on the FCB, because each button does activate as many >functions as you have assigned it. What also happens when you step >that button is that all those MIDI events are sent out in a "MIDI >data cluster" and there seems to be no way to assume witch one will >be the first to hit the listening "MIDI learn" device. I don't know >how Looperlative does monitor what MIDI event is being learned, but >when I do this quick MIDI learning in M=F6bius or Ableton Live I call >up a MIDI monitoring window on screen to make sure the right event is >getting "MIDI learned". The other, more labour intensive, way to do >it is to work the pedal and disable every FCB "pad" (as Behringer >call the functions associated with the buttons and pedals) except for >the one you want to teach your intelligent looping device. Yeah - that's what I figured. You don't really get around having to learn= =20 how to program a foot controller by using a device (or software) that has=20 MIDI learn capability. sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:14:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E92E13BF28; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: foot controllers with defaults Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:14:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcYQjhH/PGJN2c7RRka+qT8+q/okUgAAsx8g In-Reply-To: <2C11D7B6-1636-4A33-B6B8-5EF92607FEED@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20060103181212.RCMF17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:29 +0000 (UTC) The PMC has some defaults in ROM--when/if the thing crashes, they are loaded into RAM-- Does the Behringer ship with a list of its default settings? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:14:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 001933BF2E; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OQkR2e1GiUT5Vmv2JhPAYi4gnVofuoV82/TJ3lnXdC3w9zrr9ndxdbbu+OCN+ZW6fXo2XoluRRV+ejFE7YDOgUA2xfx/T+Ctq8/RDNZ1XVsvtkbZCRzmuJHhOxuaPTa887hVHLi0SxVgooaX88s8/KQBGD7OSZa7tDZG70OF9pw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:14:37 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: foot controllers In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> <2C11D7B6-1636-4A33-B6B8-5EF92607FEED@boysen.se> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:14:39 +0000 (UTC) In many cases, you do avoid it, as long as you're using a plain vanilla MIDI controller (that just sends a program change message for each button press) and not one that comes preloaded with a bunch of undocumented messages for many button presses. A lot of the time, you want one event to happen (record, mute, etc.) based on a button press, and a bare-bones MIDI learn function gives you that. If the MIDI learn feature is more sophisticated, it can cause multiple events to occur upon receiving a simple MIDI message. Given the state of MIDI foot controllers, it makes more sense to have the device being controlled to the work. On 1/3/06, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Yeah - that's what I figured. You don't really get around having to lear= n > how to program a foot controller by using a device (or software) that has > MIDI learn capability. > > sean > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:15:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23F953BF36; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=diSoD5+6BuvQjZ9/a29/uCmRUdJ2kN1EkShK5HEIjlUgQ7z7/CqxEFp+Ta/uLKGGhKKGHgcB5JbvCpa6WNyH35563FmY9oOeDrTSq+EL6WuNRtPs9cK9N9Y5eb9343kbcoDMajqcAZkomY6ibtAMKsVUOyFW+sYQ5Hy/1Yk/yjE= ; Message-ID: <20060103181530.10731.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mics and FCB1010s To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:15:31 +0000 (UTC) I think I'm going to cry. ;) Sorry... I couldn't help it. Please forgive me. --- William Walker wrote: > Hey Rick, > I went looking for my beta 57's and couldn't find > them, Do you have them? > Also I borrowed your FCB1010 to check out the EDP. > No midi response what so > ever. and the EDP is really acting weird sometimes > remaining in a power up > cycle,with the LCD cycleing "loop 4 and numerical > jibberish" sometimes > not,and I'm able to make it work from the front > panel. did you take this to > Europe? It seems like handling the thing will make > it crash, weird. Has it > taken any hard hits? The front panel power switch > seems funky and the > voltage selector on the back seems sloppy, did you > use the 220 voltage > selector when in Europe? I'm sending it off to BAS > in Illinois where I > believe it has been before? Maybe the loop IV > upgrade is corrupted. > Love > Bill > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:18:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 622B33BF32; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <052C6E8F-07DC-4DFC-948F-7B1D717A254B@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: foot controllers Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:18:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:18:36 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jan 2006, at 19.08, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Yeah - that's what I figured. You don't really get around having > to learn how to program a foot controller by using a device (or > software) that has MIDI learn capability. That is depending on which foot controller you are talking about. If you have access to a Windows XP PC there are some good librarian software available at the Yahoo FCB mailing list that will let you program the FCB1010 from a screen instead of having to push those buttons hundreds of times ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CBD03BF43; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [87.74.70.89] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060102200840.69199.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sustainer guitar with hex pickup systems Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:19:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 18:19:15.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[34216030:01C61092] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC) > > >Hi gang, > > >is anybody using a fernandes sustainer model guitar > > >with either an RMC or graphtech hex pickup system > > on > > >this list? i would like to try this configuration > > on > > >my fernandes sustainer guitat but would first like > > to > > >hear experiences comments and most important who > > can > > >do this sort of installations with plenty of > > >experience if possble in california. > > >thanx > > >Luis i use a sustainiac and a gk hex pickup in one of my guitars they have to be built into separate cavities in the guitar so they don't interfere with each other electrically or magnetically they work great together though... sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:21:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6853BF52; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ll3jmguaXMKGz/SCcpoZsgnzGpqZ8TRbM5wsd44T7JFzpfrwoH7cCmEJtY/+JkrNnvTCqOG3dxlasvKHN2rgC0w+N7hc6UFtq8An7vO3NMxgZbNRlb6X7EXEe757Il7vXPcwsuSD4cf9oGo2LxvEBlIc5MYMfAM0+RokuKv4tK8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:21:16 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: foot controllers with defaults In-Reply-To: <20060103181212.RCMF17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2C11D7B6-1636-4A33-B6B8-5EF92607FEED@boysen.se> <20060103181212.RCMF17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <-V79_D.A.-7G.eCsuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) I think the preset PDF's linked on this page have that info: http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=3DENG On 1/3/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: > The PMC has some defaults in ROM--when/if the thing crashes, they are loa= ded > into RAM-- > Does the Behringer ship with a list of its default settings? > Gary > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1EE3BF5C; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060103101844.09e55b70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:29:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digitech pmc-10 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060102230619.01175ab8@mail02.powweb.com> References: <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060102230619.01175ab8@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:27:37 +0000 (UTC) neat, I learned something from my own post from 9 years ago. I went back and found old emails from then about it. In fact, I bought it used in early May 1996. So probably it was in production from early 1992 to end of 1995. kim At 11:19 PM 1/2/2006, Sean Echevarria wrote: >The first version of the manual is dated Feb 1992. The last version is >dated Oct 1992. I'm pretty sure I saw it for sale in a 1995 American >Musical Supply catalog. You bought yours around Dec1996 and noted then >that it was discontinued ( >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199612/msg00085.html ). > > >At 2006.01.02 04:11 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >>By the way, does anybody know when the PMC-10 was first produced and when >>it was discontinued? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:33:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01F1F3BF44; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4AOkDsffu6HhiGcnVt+2K9Vvwl0DNrz3wdJUJwg6m3CO35v2Qc4IKFAruYB/OW3IIrqANOLtnCqgQXbxYh6G78ZAIP9Pf7k/U60uJfcdraQzhadD63YOS0BgPxyskO1pVWORWOzOtbW0tadXkhG119hiMiEUlUsbanrtraXilRk= ; Message-ID: <20060103183326.2568.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping as a top 10 gear innovation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002001c61000$1eb59960$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) http://www.daisyrock.com/ --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > #8 makes me wonder, did any hit? :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Baldwin" > To: ; > > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:00 PM > Subject: Looping as a top 10 gear innovation > > > > Just so's ya know, my editor/co-looper at Guitar > One magazine put together > a > > top 10 list for guitar gear innovations of the > past decade (Guitar One > being > > 10 years old this month). It reads: > > 1) Modeling > > 2) Coated strings > > 3) Replica signature guitars > > 4) LOOPING! > > 5) Taylor T-5 guitar > > 6) Dedicated guitar interfaces > > 7) Offshore guitar building > > 8) Guitars aimed at women > > 9) Accessory innovations > > 10) TC Electronics G-System > > Happy New Year! > > dB > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:40:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E983BF55; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Jan 2006 18:40:53 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:40:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060103184053.3A7F5E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful photos. Thanks for posting. Brought me right back to a beautifu= l day! Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:09:40 -0800 >=20 > A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash)=20 > gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: >=20 > http://y2k5.grubmah.com >=20 > Sorry it took so long. >=20 > Mark --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B06A73BF1B; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,326,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149022044:sNHT565674140" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103102747.01180630@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:45:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: foot controllers In-Reply-To: <052C6E8F-07DC-4DFC-948F-7B1D717A254B@boysen.se> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <005a01c61001$3c698d80$0affff0a@hppav> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103085104.0112cd88@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103100302.011496b0@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Right - what I should have written was: You don't really get around having to program a foot controller by using a device (or software) that has MIDI learn capability unless the controller comes pre-programmed in such a way that it meets your needs. It doesn't appear that the FCB1010 is such a controller. At 2006.01.03 10:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >On 3 jan 2006, at 19.08, Sean Echevarria wrote: > >>Yeah - that's what I figured. You don't really get around having >>to learn how to program a foot controller by using a device (or >>software) that has MIDI learn capability. > > >That is depending on which foot controller you are talking about. If >you have access to a Windows XP PC there are some good librarian >software available at the Yahoo FCB mailing list that will let you >program the FCB1010 from a screen instead of having to push those >buttons hundreds of times ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:47:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CA683BF29; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,326,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149022885:sNHT483502020" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103104632.0113d9f0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:47:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: digitech pmc-10 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060103101844.09e55b70@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060102230619.01175ab8@mail02.powweb.com> <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> <035001c60dd7$92d3ed90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051230235308.0a692148@loopers-delight.com> <4A7A60DC-CEA0-4918-8605-70358DD7A07F@zoekeating.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060102230619.01175ab8@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:47:42 +0000 (UTC) LD is cool resource, eh? At 2006.01.03 10:29 AM, Kim Flint wrote: >neat, I learned something from my own post from 9 years ago. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 18:49:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 060433BF2D; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1136314192!46569041!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C34@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:49:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61096.7AD7A710" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:49:56 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61096.7AD7A710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Does anyone know or use that thing? How suitable is it for looping? = Can feedback be controlled? How is MIDI control or control on the device itself? I was thn=EDnking about getting one since it's rackformat is handy. = SInce I play ambient music with lots of evolving textures, a long loop time = would be nice.<< we have three of them in my band.=20 (long-form electronic/jazz/blues space-rock improv trio- guitar/bass/drums/hardware sequencers, mellotron & synths) =20 my guitarist just played with his for the first time properly- he loves = the echo models but says, loop-wise, it's not user-friendly or flexible = enough to be considered a replacement for his precious lexicon jamman. the = front panel is too fiddly to use for live looping anyway, & the (mono) looper certainly isn't the box's best feature, even though the memory has been pushed out somewhat from the fourteen seconds of the floor version = (DL4). line6 are kicking themselves for dropping this product- I just got one repaired (ebay d.o.a., but it was very cheap because of this, & = line6-UK fixed it for about =A330 including delivery & in less than a week. = solid people.) & all they could talk about was how many folks call them to = say "w.t.f. did you stop making the echo-pro?" but it had multiple bad = reviews on harmony central & other sites, so basically it's "our" fault. hmpst. it takes an expression pedal, neat, up the rear, which does the same as = the DL4's pedal. it takes midi-clock (hooray!). the other midi stuff is all fully configurable- you can even put two or more parameters under = control of the same midi CC, not that you'd want to..... I recall that there's = some stuff you can do with note numbers but don't have the book here now- I = think this is for running the looper, which looked sort of interesting.... but..... but I'm using it for the stereo delay modelling. I wish the delay times = were even longer- I could care less about a minute of loop memory, when = there's a repeater next to it in the same rack. best thing it has over the mighty = DL4 is the midi clocking, closely followed by the binson "platter" model, = the only one that wasn't on the DL4. the rest are the same, only (more) = stereo & a bit longer. & the mains unit is built-in & universal. my three are all slightly different shades of green too. the overall = look of the thing can be a bit christmas tree, & they should've given it = digital i/o aswell as the "pro" XLRs, but it's a good box for the money.=20 hth- duncan.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61096.7AD7A710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Line6 Echo Pro

>>Does anyone know or use that thing? How = suitable is it for looping? Can feedback be controlled?
How is MIDI control or control on the device = itself?
I was thn=EDnking about getting one since it's = rackformat is handy. SInce I play ambient music with lots of evolving = textures, a long loop time would be nice.<<

we have three of them in my band.
(long-form electronic/jazz/blues space-rock improv = trio- guitar/bass/drums/hardware sequencers, mellotron & = synths)
 
my guitarist just played with his for the first time = properly- he loves the echo models but says, loop-wise, it's not = user-friendly or flexible enough to be considered a replacement for his = precious lexicon jamman. the front panel is too fiddly to use for live = looping anyway, & the (mono) looper certainly isn't the box's best = feature, even though the memory has been pushed out somewhat from the = fourteen seconds of the floor version (DL4).

line6 are kicking themselves for dropping this = product- I just got one repaired (ebay d.o.a., but it was very cheap = because of this, & line6-UK fixed it for about =A330 including = delivery & in less than a week. solid people.) & all they could = talk about was how many folks call them to say "w.t.f. did you = stop making the echo-pro?" but it had multiple bad reviews on = harmony central & other sites, so basically it's "our" = fault. hmpst.

it takes an expression pedal, neat, up the rear, = which does the same as the DL4's pedal. it takes midi-clock (hooray!). = the other midi stuff is all fully configurable- you can even put two or = more parameters under control of the same midi CC, not that you'd want = to..... I recall that there's some stuff you can do with note numbers = but don't have the book here now- I think this is for running the = looper, which looked sort of interesting.... but.....

but I'm using it for the stereo delay modelling. I = wish the delay times were even longer- I could care less about a minute = of loop memory, when there's a repeater next to it in the same rack. = best thing it has over the mighty DL4 is the midi clocking, closely = followed by the binson "platter" model, the only one that = wasn't on the DL4. the rest are the same, only (more) stereo & a = bit longer. & the mains unit is built-in & = universal.

my three are all slightly different shades of green = too. the overall look of the thing can be a bit christmas tree, & = they should've given it digital i/o aswell as the "pro" XLRs, = but it's a good box for the money.

hth-

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61096.7AD7A710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 19:11:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 842C83BF1E; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1136315475!36339897!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C36@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new gadget Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:11:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61099.7765F890" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:11:17 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61099.7765F890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable all- apologies if this thing has been mentioned here before & escaped = my notice..... from time to time in the past, we have discussed & debated = the most cost-effective &/or reliable way of preserving performances for = later re-appreciation. minidiscs, dats, laptops, cassette recorders, mini = hard disc recorders & even things that use flash memory. I saw this effort: http://www.ikey-audio.com/ in the UK sound-on-sound rag just before the christmas winterval. seems = to fit the bill- no mic pre's, but then I don't think I'd use them if they = were there. much better to invest in a dedicated portable mic pre-amp, as = those of us using minidisc walkthings will know.=20 $230 I think.... mine is costing =A3130.=20 but this thing can record from it's rca jacks (we call 'em phonos over = here) straight onto pretty much any usb storage device, as uncompressed wav = or a variety of mp3 templates, & it only has two buttons. you can even = connect it straight onto one of those ipod things. what could possibly go wrong? I wish they'd left off the level control, = as it looks suspiciously like one of those walkman volume controls that go crackly after six weeks, but maybe I'll pry the lid off & remove that = from the equation. I've got one on the way- I'll let you all know how rubbish it is in a = few days! but if it's any good, I might buy a few of them & see how well they = stay synced in a multitrack scenario....... d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61099.7765F890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable new gadget

all- apologies if this thing has been mentioned here = before & escaped my notice..... from time to time in the past, we = have discussed & debated the most cost-effective &/or reliable = way of preserving performances for later re-appreciation. minidiscs, = dats, laptops, cassette recorders, mini hard disc recorders & even = things that use flash memory.

I saw this effort:

http://www.ikey-audio.com/

in the UK sound-on-sound rag just before the = christmas winterval. seems to fit the bill- no mic pre's, but then I = don't think I'd use them if they were there. much better to invest in a = dedicated portable mic pre-amp, as those of us using minidisc = walkthings will know.

$230 I think.... mine is costing =A3130.

but this thing can record from it's rca jacks (we = call 'em phonos over here) straight onto pretty much any usb storage = device, as uncompressed wav or a variety of mp3 templates, & it = only has two buttons. you can even connect it straight onto one of = those ipod things.

what could possibly go wrong? I wish they'd left off = the level control, as it looks suspiciously like one of those walkman = volume controls that go crackly after six weeks, but maybe I'll pry the = lid off & remove that from the equation.

I've got one on the way- I'll let you all know how = rubbish it is in a few days!

but if it's any good, I might buy a few of them & = see how well they stay synced in a multitrack scenario.......

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61099.7765F890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593D23BF18; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dW6yPSVeixD/kLngjSVJWEXXvK6ioKD0YCXcI4CO5TqNw5wmmGLmegERjxzjSL9cDiG68ATV4HySC3MHFvMC72zLtXDjTzZiQi5DakVXBORqLUWseAOcOKPTZTdnUYpnJ8yUuV6QOrSfxgXDkf7KRMBo+APNbWhC/WgbEE1aNc4= Message-ID: <64b81a780601031202v4dbdd256se2f03985b39e5d37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:02:09 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C34@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C34@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:02:12 +0000 (UTC) On 1/3/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > my three are all slightly different shades of green too. the overall look= of > the thing can be a bit christmas tree, & they should've given it digital = i/o > aswell as the "pro" XLRs, but it's a good box for the money. Yeah, quite a light show when it's powered up. One would have to figure in the Blinken-lights coefficient to meaningfully compare it to other loopers. ;) Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:11:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CDCC3BF21; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Excerpts of David Torn interview in the book "The Art of Digital Music" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:10:55 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c610a1$d0f27ed0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <353e2ed80601021622q39137f48q2b71c410a2b20409@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2hh99C.A.2CD.cptuDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:11:09 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 3. Januar 2006 01:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Excerpts of David Torn interview in the book "The Art of > Digital Music" >=20 > On 1/2/06, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > Posting this because some aspects of recent discussions are touched. > > Bernhard > > > > > > From the book "The Art of Digital Music", David Battino, Kelli = Richards; > > Backbeat Books, 2005 (http://www.artofdigitalmusic.com/), p. 106, = 107 >=20 > Jumping off at a tangent slightly, is this a good & useful book? Weeell... It is interesting for sure: Interviews with competent = producers, musicians, programmers. The interviews are 2 pages each, so there's not = much room for in-depth discussions. It's a fun read. A book that's well = suited for a public library, but if you buy it, it'll gather dust after you've = read it once. I see some value also in the mere selection of people = interviewed. BTW: David Torn praises the EDP in his interview and cites Kim coining = the term "granular sampling". The editors pasted the loopers-delight - url = in. Another excerpt for our historians: "the distinction for the first commercial record to use a drum loop probably goes to producer Albhy Galuten. The Bee Gees' song "Stayin' Alive" used a loop of drums = extracted from their song "Night Fever". It refers to an article in "Mix" of = October 2000. Apparently Galuten used the loop again for Bee Gees' "More Than a Woman" and Barbra Sreisand's "I'm a Woman in Love" This is the article: http://tinyurl.com/buugc http://www.beegees-world.com/archives19.html Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:35:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5052E3BF26; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Mics and FCB1010s Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060103181530.10731.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Your an evil man ;( that was my booboo). Sorry gang dang computers..... Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mics and FCB1010s I think I'm going to cry. ;) Sorry... I couldn't help it. Please forgive me. --- William Walker wrote: > Hey Rick, > I went looking for my beta 57's and couldn't find > them, Do you have them? > Also I borrowed your FCB1010 to check out the EDP. > No midi response what so > ever. and the EDP is really acting weird sometimes > remaining in a power up > cycle,with the LCD cycleing "loop 4 and numerical > jibberish" sometimes > not,and I'm able to make it work from the front > panel. did you take this to > Europe? It seems like handling the thing will make > it crash, weird. Has it > taken any hard hits? The front panel power switch > seems funky and the > voltage selector on the back seems sloppy, did you > use the 220 voltage > selector when in Europe? I'm sending it off to BAS > in Illinois where I > believe it has been before? Maybe the loop IV > upgrade is corrupted. > Love > Bill > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 20:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 450053BF2E; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:35:52 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c610a5$4d750240$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <40E19B6D-6F99-4CED-9B88-F0A001AAE45D@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks a lot Mark, I included the link on the website (http://loopfestival.com/y2k5) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 3. Januar 2006 11:10 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Y2K5 Pictures > > A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash) > gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com > > Sorry it took so long. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 22:07:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A5DA3BF26; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.49.154.145] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <64b81a780601031202v4dbdd256se2f03985b39e5d37@mail.gmail.com> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:07:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 22:07:47.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[20F94CF0:01C610B2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:07:49 +0000 (UTC) what type of foot controller do ou use on your line6 echo pro? I have one in a rack that would love a foot controller graham graham.maureen@sympatico.ca >From: Todd Pafford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:02:09 -0500 > >On 1/3/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > my three are all slightly different shades of green too. the overall >look of > > the thing can be a bit christmas tree, & they should've given it digital >i/o > > aswell as the "pro" XLRs, but it's a good box for the money. > >Yeah, quite a light show when it's powered up. One would have to >figure in the Blinken-lights coefficient to meaningfully compare it to >other loopers. ;) > >Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 22:11:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04BF73BF2E; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <100301c610b2$ad7d7020$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002401c610a5$4d750240$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:11:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 432, in=204527, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:11:45 +0000 (UTC) I also linked it on the recordings website, so we got you covered! :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures > Thanks a lot Mark, I included the link on the website > (http://loopfestival.com/y2k5) > > Bernhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] > > Sent: Dienstag, 3. Januar 2006 11:10 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Y2K5 Pictures > > > > A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash) > > gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: > > > > http://y2k5.grubmah.com > > > > Sorry it took so long. > > > > Mark > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 23:10:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D173A3BF19; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GZ6mfkF29+Zd20pNaqbTmrLZAPQz3oT8G8GI/gZA6BC2xJd6dXyT7OQAeGCy06tkp/1veHDHuFNW/rOF1PwSeYIrpZtq54yZZg+8emqxB4E5gqti1JsJCF+thnHOMtBymwoc3474lbKBirkkFkut8hM2EggR6q69wfRwEoekCSM= Message-ID: <64b81a780601031510t5eb5c3b4x24da61450d65f5d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:10:48 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b81a780601031202v4dbdd256se2f03985b39e5d37@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:10:50 +0000 (UTC) I use the Behringer FCB1010 to control my EchoPro plus some other gear. Works great. Todd On 1/3/06, graham.maureen@sympatico.ca wrote: > what type of foot controller do ou use on your line6 echo pro? > > I have one in a rack that would love a foot controller > > graham > > graham.maureen@sympatico.ca > > > >From: Todd Pafford > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Line6 Echo Pro > >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:02:09 -0500 > > > >On 1/3/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > my three are all slightly different shades of green too. the overall > >look of > > > the thing can be a bit christmas tree, & they should've given it digi= tal > >i/o > > > aswell as the "pro" XLRs, but it's a good box for the money. > > > >Yeah, quite a light show when it's powered up. One would have to > >figure in the Blinken-lights coefficient to meaningfully compare it to > >other loopers. ;) > > > >Todd > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 3 23:55:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D26463BF2B; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018501c610c1$2870a000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "Mark Hamburg" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <40E19B6D-6F99-4CED-9B88-F0A001AAE45D@baymoon.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:55:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Mark. These pictures are phenomenal! Some of them look like paintings and there are a dozen of them at least that would be really excellent Album cover photographs. Thanks for spending so much time documenting the festival and putting up this beautifully professional website to view them. Have you considered a second career as a professional photographer? You should! Happy New Years, gratefully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 00:03:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED4FD3BF23; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:05:48 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Login problem at the Looperlative Forum Message-ID: <0FD95A303A542A1FCC1033E8@[192.168.1.149]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about the problems at the forum. I've been out of touch for a few days as a result of the storms that came through the area. Now that I'm back online, I will take a look and see if I can find out why you can't log in. The board uses the phpBB software that many other boards use. Sorry about the difficulties, Bob --On Monday, January 02, 2006 3:15 PM +0100 Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I registered at the Looperlative Forum but I can not log in and as a > result of that I can't post there. I was able to register fine and I > even received a mail to confirm my registration. Using this, confirmed, > username and password I'm the site refuses to accept me. I'm getting the > error message "You have specified an incorrect username or password". I > did a little troubleshooting by registering another user and password > but was given the same treatment. > > So far I have tried Firefox and Safari under Mac OS 10.4.3. Any ideas? > > http://www.looperlative.com/forum/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 00:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3ADC3BF39; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005601c610c8$96dc9560$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C36@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: new gadget Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:48:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:49:02 +0000 (UTC) new gadgetFrom: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com: > all- apologies if this thing has been mentioned here before & escaped my > notice..... from time to time in the past, we have discussed & debated the > most cost-effective &/or reliable way of preserving performances for later > re-appreciation. minidiscs, dats, laptops, cassette recorders, mini hard > disc recorders & even things that use flash memory. >but this thing can record from it's rca jacks (we call 'em phonos over >here) straight onto pretty much any usb storage device, as uncompressed wav >or a variety of mp3 templates, & it only has two buttons. you can even >connect it straight onto one of those ipod things. *************** Happy New Year all, and a belated Happy Christmas etc. We went to a dept store here that's closing their Kensington branch (Oxford Street! Ugh!), and a huge sale's been going on for a month to clear the place out. A Panasonic 5-CD/Tape/Tuner with 120W/channel for £50 - Came home with us and I found that it both plays and records to SD, this new-fangled memory card. It's highest quality is 128K. While we got the unit just to play CDs and have a separate stereo from the DVD player/amp, I couldn't help but wonder about relative quality for the purpose of transporting recordings to the PC for clean-up, mixdown and other use on the way to CD or Audio DVD. You might say, "Why not just buy a cassette deck?" Well, a walk around the stores the past few months has shown me how the cassette player is going the way of the 8-track but not for the same reasons of course; simple decks are scarce, always come with two bays and are more than £150. A look through eBay finds almost none at all. So at the same sale I saw a single-bay Sony deck for almost nothing, and snapped it up. Unfortunately it was non-functional, as were the lot of five the store had. Well, then, what about the SD? I plan on our next PCs having multi-format card readers on the front panel anyway which would provide the transport. But would the results via SD be as good as a line-in recording at the same sample rate (128k)? Kindly advise. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 01:39:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6CA73BF44; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: grassysound@comcast.net (Bill Campbell ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:39:11 +0000 Message-Id: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z3Jhc3N5c291bmRAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1468_1136338751_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:39:13 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1468_1136338751_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello there! This is my first posting, though I've long been a frequent visitor to Looper's Delight. I'm interested in purchasing a looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume swells, stereo panning, etc. I'm looking to spend around $600. I'd like a device that allows for the following: 1-STEREO loops. This is crucial. I'm not remotely interested in a machine that plays back loops in mono 2-Reverse capability. Though not essential, I'd like a device that allows for loops to be played in reverse. 3-Loop time. This is more of a query than anything else. I see some machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of time per loop. On the surface, this seems a bit short. Is there anything on the market that allows for more time without much degradation in the original signal? 4-Ability to save loops. A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops! With these thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices would you recommend? Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!! Bill --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1468_1136338751_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello there!  This is my first posting, though I've long been a frequent visitor to Looper's Delight.  I'm interested in purchasing a looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume swells, stereo panning, etc.  I'm looking to spend around $600.  I'd like a device that allows for the following:
 
1-STEREO loops.  This is crucial.  I'm not remotely interested in a machine that plays back loops in mono
2-Reverse capability.  Though not essential, I'd like a device that allows for loops to be played in reverse.
3-Loop time.  This is more of a query than anything else.  I see some machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of time per loop.  On the surface, this seems a bit short.  Is there anything on the market that allows for more time without much degradation in the original signal?
4-Ability to save loops. 
 
A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops!  With these thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices would you recommend?  Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!!
 
Bill
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1468_1136338751_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 01:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9153BF48; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:46:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <40E19B6D-6F99-4CED-9B88-F0A001AAE45D@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Wow Mark, beautiful work, thanks for the effort. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Pictures A new, complete, and I trust IE friendly (it's basically all Flash) gallery and slideshow for Y2K5 is at last available at: http://y2k5.grubmah.com Sorry it took so long. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FBA63BF42; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine - the short version Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:17:26 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c610d5$036f44a0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcYQz5+vj4jRk4UKS6KYZ0//y9X41wAAs+yA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Bill, First let me welcome you aboard. My advice will no doubt be far from complete, so be prepared to do some additional research on your own: I don't know of a dedicated hardware looping device which fulfills all of your requirements. If we start off (without any claim of completeness) with a matrix of the hw loopers which fulfill at least one of your requirements, this might look like this: 1 2 3 4 EDP% (X) X X (X) Repeater X X X X DD20 X DL4 X TC2290* X X DT Jamman X X RC20XL X X X Looperlative+ X X X X Comments: %: The EDP does not do stereo per se, but two EDPs can be synced to work seamlessly in stereo. Of course, this means double the cost. Saving of loops is done via MIDI sample dump - meaning it cannot save the loops on its own (without a sequencer or MIDI data recorder). *: This is for the variant with memory expansion (like the ones Fripp did use). The standard memory is I think good for 4 seconds... +: Not released yet. See the archives here for some discussion. So the devices which meet all of your requirements are the Repeater, the Looperlative and (with the drawback of the saving option) a pair of EDPs. Price-wise, the EDP is close to $1k (or was when it was still available - and I guess you could prepare to pay at least the same for a used one), so the $2k for a pair would be out of your range. Same goes for the Repeater, which is currently only available second-hand, and which had been sold for prices below your limit when it was still available, but second-hand prices seem to be above your limit as well (close to a single EDP). The target for the (not yet available) Looperlative is the former EDP price - which is also out of your price range. To cut a long story short: no options for you, sorry >;-). Either prepare to pay more, or to get less. Perhaps you might take another look at your matrix and decide what you could live with (or without). If you could install some stereoizing effects in your signal path behind the looper, the RC20XL would be just what you want - with a price of (I think) under $400. Rainer ps: after writing this, I found I'm not really sure if the RC20XL is stereo or not. Somebody? ________________________________ Von: Bill Campbell [mailto:grassysound@comcast.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Januar 2006 02:39 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Hello there! This is my first posting, though I've long been a frequent visitor to Looper's Delight. I'm interested in purchasing a looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume swells, stereo panning, etc. I'm looking to spend around $600. I'd like a device that allows for the following: 1-STEREO loops. This is crucial. I'm not remotely interested in a machine that plays back loops in mono 2-Reverse capability. Though not essential, I'd like a device that allows for loops to be played in reverse. 3-Loop time. This is more of a query than anything else. I see some machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of time per loop. On the surface, this seems a bit short. Is there anything on the market that allows for more time without much degradation in the original signal? 4-Ability to save loops. A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops! With these thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices would you recommend? Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:17:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0936C3BF56; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hzc/feR9v8jhk9l4d71S/FKgmO2OeDgPvEXyTx+84Bq430cNHcHBbzNV8ErF5AKq4/UG03zp72VfbO9CiXKezbfRjxu5KHR8K/9Ae+u14EvfgOStq/x6sU++blvtahHAZdmbqqU94D1ny1jnO1FurkGrGNBzEpiyGjKzDBZlNIU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:17:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine In-Reply-To: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:17:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm not aware of any device that meets all those criteria for around $600. Which of the features (stereo, delay time, reverse, save loop functions, pricepoint) might you be willing to move on? The closest hardware solution is, I believe, the Repeater, but it's out of production and usually goes for more than $600 at this point. The Repeater II is vaporware at this point. TravisH On 1/3/06, Bill Campbell wrote: > > Hello there! This is my first posting, though I've long been a frequent > visitor to Looper's Delight. I'm interested in purchasing a looper, as I= 'm > a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume swells, stereo pannin= g, > etc. I'm looking to spend around $600. I'd like a device that allows fo= r > the following: > > 1-STEREO loops. This is crucial. I'm not remotely interested in a machi= ne > that plays back loops in mono > 2-Reverse capability. Though not essential, I'd like a device that allow= s > for loops to be played in reverse. > 3-Loop time. This is more of a query than anything else. I see some > machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of time > per loop. On the surface, this seems a bit short. Is there anything on = the > market that allows for more time without much degradation in the original > signal? > 4-Ability to save loops. > > A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm > interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops! With these > thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices wou= ld > you recommend? Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!! > > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A145E3BF5C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tDKnAQ6cQozQShkmt4tgU8daPEHE3+UeWj/sNT8v6Dn9Qq3th+r6I92muPy2EeAhnViWjpq2hEuIgkEXTj04Ls1XZCTCei1upNBauqQDuM6hIwVHDOf8d6YjercncehXBCH+IAD4el8/RnIwmBCyT8nvUAjnfk4wneSRvNlj4bs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:21:20 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine - the short version In-Reply-To: <001001c610d5$036f44a0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <001001c610d5$036f44a0$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Contrary to rumor, the EDP is still available for $799 from Sweetwater. TravisH On 1/3/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So the devices which meet all of your requirements are the Repeater, the > Looperlative and (with the drawback of the saving option) a pair of EDPs. > Price-wise, the EDP is close to $1k (or was when it was still available - > and I guess you could prepare to pay at least the same for a used one), From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:25:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C523BF62; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025101c610d6$14e78200$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <40E19B6D-6F99-4CED-9B88-F0A001AAE45D@baymoon.com> <018501c610c1$2870a000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: OT: Fernandes Monterey Pro Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:25:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi: Does anyone have a Fernandes Monterey Pro? I bought one on eBay. I received the guitar and it says Monterey on the headstock. I'm wondering if this is the Monterey rather than the Monterey Pro. Thanks in advance for any responses. Regards, Butch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:27:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF683BF69; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:24:31 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:27:47 +0000 (UTC) I agree with what others have said. You're either going to have to spend more or demand less. But something has to give. > The > Repeater II is vaporware at this point. As is the deposit that I put down for one. Gone into thin air. Poof! I'm tempted to call and get a refund. Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not they'll materialize? NAMM update perhaps? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D444B3BF5C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:36:00 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine To: Message-id: <005901c610d7$9a06fc80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C610AD.B0AAAD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:29:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C610AD.B0AAAD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sir Bill -=20 You seek the Holy Grail! Thus far, the looping vessel you seek has not = manifested itself unto our world with such worthy characteristics as ye = seek. But lo! What is this? Be aware of the Boss RC-50! Look here = and see if indeed this new machine can do your looping bidding! Review of the Boss RC-50 http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/14 David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Campbell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Hello there! This is my first posting, though I've long been a = frequent visitor to Looper's Delight. I'm interested in purchasing a = looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume = swells, stereo panning, etc. I'm looking to spend around $600. I'd = like a device that allows for the following: 1-STEREO loops. This is crucial. I'm not remotely interested in a = machine that plays back loops in mono 2-Reverse capability. Though not essential, I'd like a device that = allows for loops to be played in reverse. 3-Loop time. This is more of a query than anything else. I see some = machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of = time per loop. On the surface, this seems a bit short. Is there = anything on the market that allows for more time without much = degradation in the original signal? 4-Ability to save loops. =20 A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm = interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops! With these = thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices = would you recommend? Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!! Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C610AD.B0AAAD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sir Bill -
 
You seek the Holy Grail!  Thus = far, the=20 looping vessel you seek has not manifested itself unto our world with = such=20 worthy characteristics as ye seek.  But=20 lo!   What is this?  Be aware of the Boss RC-50!  = Look here=20 and see if indeed this new machine can do your looping = bidding!
 
Review of the Boss RC-50 http://www.uncledig.com= /blog/archives/14
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Campbell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 = 8:39=20 PM
Subject: Guidance In Buying = First Loop=20 Machine

Hello there!  This is my first posting, though I've long = been a=20 frequent visitor to Looper's Delight.  I'm interested in = purchasing a=20 looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume = swells,=20 stereo panning, etc.  I'm looking to spend around $600. =20 I'd like a device that allows for the following:
 
1-STEREO loops.  This is crucial.  I'm not remotely = interested=20 in a machine that plays back loops in mono
2-Reverse capability.  Though not essential, I'd like a = device that=20 allows for loops to be played in reverse.
3-Loop time.  This is more of a query than anything = else.  I=20 see some machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 = seconds of=20 time per loop.  On the surface, this seems a bit short.  Is = there=20 anything on the market that allows for more time without much = degradation in=20 the original signal?
4-Ability to save loops. 
 
A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features = I'm=20 interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops!  With = these=20 thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices = would=20 you recommend?  Many many thanks in advance, fellow = loopers!!
 
Bill
------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C610AD.B0AAAD80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27EE3BF73; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NZFLHN0jRcBg9SnQMcB/jiQvwuPsCHW/KZ8ng/nY5fUoEr5ECz23GbnGCBj03wPjYIWckio22kENvnspQPXqI53HyL4z6pRaPCpwZ6BsknmSxyGULnZfAkaMGANkLpQnPtk75X5Zvo7J0LlvV6ENZLb/6gVdUTCTgfWU3+fjiOI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:34:45 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:34:47 +0000 (UTC) The new issue of Frets magazine has an article on Dominic Frasca (10-string nylon string guitarist) who now uses just a laptop, MOTU interface, and Logic for all his onstage processing. The article's too long for me to type in, but his closing words are: "There aren't many cons when it comes to laptops, but if I had to bring up one thing, I'd remind people that the main drag about these machines is that they become obsolete very quickly. When you drop $1,800 on a Universal Audio 1176 compressor, you have a piece of equipment that will be as functional and relevant in 20 years as it was the day you bought it. But you can spend $3,000 or more on a top-of-the-line PowerBook and within two years it may not be able to handle the latest programs or upgrades. And there's always the risk of a crash. Luckily, my Mac has never crashed onstage, nor has it ever broken down, but I do travel with a backup 12" PowerBook just in case." TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:37:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 189F53BF76; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,327,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149219029:sNHT21027012" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103183520.01144698@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:37:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine In-Reply-To: References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:37:46 +0000 (UTC) This doesn't bode well: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/message/2210 At 2006.01.03 06:24 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> The >>Repeater II is vaporware at this point. > >As is the deposit that I put down for one. Gone into thin air. Poof! >I'm tempted to call and get a refund. > >Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not they'll >materialize? NAMM update perhaps? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:38:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A82443BF69; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R47+LotOgxjLXKnjQR50D6joe72X3XTFOIRuhvkHIl8Vy6441nQb3c57Qv+Mi3fpYMC/S789HkGXApJXakTHayWyoAIrXswikdcAEYTkIPpJ7GEQnoQ2pV8QnE2Tg6MCOF+NLrOR/qZVS/tbnQk57uz6JydyivoG4Z/XbJCoBp4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:38:56 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine In-Reply-To: <005901c610d7$9a06fc80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <005901c610d7$9a06fc80$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Roland page on RC-50, doesn't have price, but seems to meet your other requirements if it doesn't collapse the L/R input to mono at some point: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/index.html TravisH On 1/3/06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Review of the Boss RC-50 > http://www.uncledig.com/blog/archives/14 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:39:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3673BF87; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,327,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="1984429056:sNHT15340588" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103183520.01144698@mail02.powweb.com> References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103183520.01144698@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E0B0A20-915A-4096-BECA-5029AE1515AD@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:39:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Say, could you copy and paste that? I don't have a Yahoo group account, but I do have a preorder for a Repeater. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > This doesn't bode well: > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/message/2210 > > > At 2006.01.03 06:24 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>> The >>> Repeater II is vaporware at this point. >> >> As is the deposit that I put down for one. Gone into thin air. Poof! >> I'm tempted to call and get a refund. >> >> Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not they'll >> materialize? NAMM update perhaps? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:46:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24AEA3BF8C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <27719677.1136342795558.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:46:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kim Galibert Reply-To: Kim Galibert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: my nomination for looper of the year: 1970 - Sid Laverents, 'multiple sidosis' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:46:37 +0000 (UTC) i came across this over the holidays - perhaps it has already been posted on ld, if so, sorry. 1970 - before the jamman, before ram for that matter, sid laverents was already the baddest ass uber-looper. download the video here: http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/12/primitive_psych.html (if you have problems watching try quicktime) amazing stuff, musical, fun to watch, it obviously took him ages to complete the 3 or so minutes of reel2reel goodness. happy new year to all, kim (the other kim - http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com) ps: my vote is for the ld digests to arrive once a day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:48:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E79A3BF60; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,327,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149223358:sNHT32843708" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103184035.011ff970@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:48:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine In-Reply-To: <2E0B0A20-915A-4096-BECA-5029AE1515AD@charter.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060103183520.01144698@mail02.powweb.com> <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103183520.01144698@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:48:19 +0000 (UTC) This was a post by Peter Toms - he was in contact with the people that had announced Repeater Mk II. sean From: Peter Toms Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 10:49 am Subject: Re: [repeater-users] Reverse engineer Repeater OS? ptoms@... Hi all - I've tried in the last several days to contact Electrix with no luck. The numbers I had for them are disconnected, so I fear the worst. The situation as I heard last is that they had completed a beta version of the OS 2, and that they'd released it in LA to a few folks - anyone know more about this? I've been trying to find the original OS engineer from Victoria BC, thus far with no luck. The issue with reverse engineering the OS is that it's encrypted and we would need a key - but hey I bet that isn't beyond some on this list. I agree it should go open source if it were possible. I have some parts, really only a few things, pots and knobs, encoders. I stopped making the power supplies but could start up again. Everything on the board is industry stuff. There are a couple flash roms with firmware specific to the unit. These will be hard to replace but not impossible. Fortunately they don't seem to go bad. Lastly, I've developed a mod for noise reduction in the Repeater, along with SVG on this list, that is really quite superb though intensive. We'll be releasing this very shortly probably on this list and on Looper's delight. If you're good you can do it yourself, but don't try it unless you've got excellent skills. Give it to a tech, or send it to me and I will do it for you. It reduces output noise in the machine by over 25 dB. YES!!!! --- Peter Toms At 2006.01.03 06:39 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: >Say, could you copy and paste that? I don't have a Yahoo group >account, but I do have a preorder for a Repeater. > >----- >Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net >Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > >On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > >>This doesn't bode well: >>http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/message/2210 >> >> >>At 2006.01.03 06:24 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>>> The >>>>Repeater II is vaporware at this point. >>> >>>As is the deposit that I put down for one. Gone into thin air. Poof! >>>I'm tempted to call and get a refund. >>> >>>Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not they'll >>>materialize? NAMM update perhaps? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 02:50:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7171A3BF8F; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bhbTxXgBlJhTQr/cQ5HAV7p/U8Hdp4RspQimLblOQXdG3y3WlXJgn+Ot+1lxVjoc0xAKDscwtYtVjqjEdTDzcJT3op7giOJpQETqYnOnSIdzd48Bt1OiJl8RqRQ0qcPMuYo2AIthC3S0Kf79JOO6eSxqxS+QlM9mzp0uY4Wt8O4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:50:21 -0500 From: Tony Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine In-Reply-To: <2E0B0A20-915A-4096-BECA-5029AE1515AD@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29090_18994771.1136343021897" References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20060103183520.01144698@mail02.powweb.com> <2E0B0A20-915A-4096-BECA-5029AE1515AD@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:50:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29090_18994771.1136343021897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I gave up on the repeater mkii...after reading the electrix forums postings I went ahead and searched for an old repeater on ebay. While there are non= e currently listed, I was able to purchase one last week. I did pay more tha= n 600 for it, but I also got an behringer fcb midi footcontrol board. The repeater does everything that you requested. The only limitation of the repeater, as far as I can tell is that it has an 8minute (40mb) loop limit. But - at the moment, I can't think of a situation, with live looping where I'm going to need an 8 minute loop. Check out the looperdelight archive page for the repeater for a boatload of information. (http://loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/repeater.html) I've had mine for about a week and have been completely obsessed with it...it is truly a powerful machine, capable of looping to your hearts content. Tony On 1/3/06, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > Say, could you copy and paste that? I don't have a Yahoo group > account, but I do have a preorder for a Repeater. > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > This doesn't bode well: > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/message/2210 > > > > > > At 2006.01.03 06:24 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >>> The > >>> Repeater II is vaporware at this point. > >> > >> As is the deposit that I put down for one. Gone into thin air. Poof! > >> I'm tempted to call and get a refund. > >> > >> Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not they'll > >> materialize? NAMM update perhaps? > > ------=_Part_29090_18994771.1136343021897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I gave up on the repeater mkii...after reading the electrix forums postings I went ahead and searched for an old repeater on ebay.  While there are none currently listed, I was able to purchase one last week.  I did pay more than 600 for it, but I also got an behringer fcb midi footcontrol board.  The repeater does everything that you requested.  The only limitation of the repeater, as far as I can tell is that it has an 8minute (40mb) loop limit.  But - at the moment, I can't think of a situation, with live looping where I'm going to need an 8 minute loop. 

Check out the looperdelight archive page for the repeater for a boatload of information.  (http:/= /loopers-delight.com/tools/repeater/repeater.html)

I've had mine for about a week and have been completely obsessed with it...it is truly a powerful machine, capable of looping to your hearts content. 

Tony


On 1/3/06, Kelly Coyle <kellyc= oyle@charter.net> wrote:
Say, could you copy and paste that? I don't have a Yahoo group
account, = but I do have a preorder for a Repeater.

-----
Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net
Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/


On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:37 = PM, Sean Echevarria wrote:

> This doesn't bode well:
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/message/2210
>= ;
>
> At 2006.01.03 06:24 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:
>>&g= t;   The
>>> Repeater II is vaporware at this point.<= br>>>
>> As is the deposit that I put down for one. Gone into thin air.= Poof!
>> I'm tempted to call and get a refund.
>>
>= ;> Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not they'll
>>= materialize? NAMM update perhaps?


------=_Part_29090_18994771.1136343021897-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 04:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E473BF7F; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: grassysound@comcast.net (Bill Campbell ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:01:31 +0000 Message-Id: <010420060401.29630.43BB489B00035D6C000073BE22007610640B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z3Jhc3N5c291bmRAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29630_1136347291_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:01:37 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29630_1136347291_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to everyone who has thus far responded, with a special nod of appreciation to Rainer, who gave a very detailed, informative analysis of my quest. I'm naive to all the gadgetry right now, but I know what I want it to do, so to speak. The Boss RC-50 looks very enticing. Thanks David, for making me aware of this. Is there any word on when this will be available for purchase, or a rough price guess? Thanks again for the warm welcome and assistance! Bill --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29630_1136347291_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks to everyone who has thus far responded, with a special nod of appreciation to Rainer, who gave a very detailed, informative analysis of my quest.  I'm naive to all the gadgetry right now, but I know what I want it to do, so to speak. 

The Boss RC-50 looks very enticing.  Thanks David, for making me aware of this.  Is there any word on when this will be available for purchase, or a rough price guess?

Thanks again for the warm welcome and assistance!

Bill

 

 

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29630_1136347291_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 04:17:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C433BF8A; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Cc: Subject: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:17:07 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYQ5blzjHHPpr9cS++soKqoLkVLog== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Just had my first trial run with Mobius as a plugin in Live. I came across an issue in the function (or UI) which I could not solve myself - anyone able to help me? How does one stop and restart a loop? The things you do on most loopers by hitting the play button while a loop is playing, or by hitting a dedicated stop button. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 05:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BA7E3BF59; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,328,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149270423:sNHT22606424" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:48:46 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance, Jambient concert, Dance Jam 1.14.06 Lowell, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations at a concert/participatory dance event at 8 PM at Gallery 119 in Lowell on Saturday Jan 14 with The Jambient Project. Gallery 119 is a lovely, intimate performance space run by Walter Wright and Mary Ann Kearns. Personnel for this event. Doctor T -- Images and Video Mixing Dean Stiglitz -- Electro Flute Bob Trottier -- Electro Drums Jonathan Lamaster -- Violin Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and Percussion Helena Schniewind -- Live Videography AND Joe Burgio and friends leading a dance jam open to dancers of all ages and levels. Come join us to dance or to watch and listen, we expect a every special evening. Directions: http://www.911gallery.org/directions/directions.htm -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 07:39:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0BC3BF5B; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: my nomination for looper of the year: 1970 - Sid Laverents, 'multiple sidosis' Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:00 +0100 Message-ID: <007b01c61101$ee43fb70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYQ+t6U/7s/YmlETWilYtEDoTDQXQABZCfQ In-Reply-To: <27719677.1136342795558.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:39:09 +0000 (UTC) > amazing stuff, musical, fun to watch, it obviously took him > ages to complete the 3 or so minutes of reel2reel goodness. an incredible video ... many thanks for posting! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From LorenMckinney@goodcircle.com Wed Jan 4 07:47:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 142-217-0-99.telebecinternet.net (142-217-0-99.telebecinternet.net [142.217.0.99]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 520E83BF5B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cre@localhost by eIV.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:58:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Justine Shaw" Reply-To: "Justine Shaw" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Adobe, Windows software for 80 % 0ff Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: LorenMckinney@goodcircle.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--43195968618824636764" mkyd ----43195968618824636764 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable S
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----49663823479917581929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 07:13:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCCC03BECF; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:13:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 98, in=57892, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6o0DyD.A.PCH.io2vDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Actually, not so. Not only does the processor have two indepedent cache systems that can combine or act independently, but the main benefit of the process is it's ability to allocate tasks dynamically to one core or another, or between the two cache, individually or shared. It's not like 64 bit processors, where you have to write apps for them. Consumers and enterprises will obtain immediate benefits from this processor. This is my wife's product at Intel. She explains it better than me, but she showed me all sorts of uses cases using current applications, games, music applications, etc., where the dual core or "duo" processor improved performance dramantically. As a simple example, if you are burning a CD and playing music at the same time, this typically puts more of a strain on the standard M processor. The dual core will perform much better. I really look forward to getting one. Also, and get this, the chipset apparently has built it it the ability to run two separate audio outputs at the same time, so that you could be playing music on your PC speakers, and also running a separate output to another application...I'm not sure how this will work yet, or how it translates into the output of the soundcare, whether it is split, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Until the software is written to take advantage of the dual core, the main improvement seems to be the FSB (front side bus) speed. The clock speed and cache seems to be the same as the current Pentium M. Would a typical current VST host with multiple VSTs be able to take advantage of the dual processor configuration? My understanding is no, but I'd love to be corrected. On 1/6/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Check it out...just released yesterday at 5pm, with Intel's new logo > > Main page for processor, chipset, etc: > > http://www.intel.com/products/centrino/duo/ad.htm?iid=HMPAGE+Sub_06ww01b_R > (includes tons of info on this processor and chipset) > > The processor page: > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/coreduo/index.htm > > Spec of the processor: > http://www.intel.com/design/mobile/specupdt/309222.htm > > Benchmark comparison chart for performance: > http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/benchmarks.htm > > Benchmark comparison chart for entertainment: > http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/entertainment.htm > > Benchmark comparison chart for mobile productivity: > http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/productivity.htm > > Kris > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 07:18:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4700E3BEE7; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:15:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:18:13 +0000 (UTC) > > This is my wife's product at Intel. Is this the same processor that's supposed to be in the next (??) generation of Macs? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 07:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 657FB3BEE7; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:21:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 98, in=57893, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmm, good question. That would be great. I think Apple/Intel still has their lips sealed. All I know is that here soon many notebook manufactures will be releasing notebooks with the dual core processor in it. They've been building them all this time before the launch. I'm going to check now. Intel and PC manufactures often work together on their launch announcements. Intel was at Las Vegas this last few days demoing their dual core technology to the industry. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced > > > > > This is my wife's product at Intel. > > Is this the same processor that's supposed to be in the next (??) > generation of Macs? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 07:27:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D091A3BEF6; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:27:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=196225, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Here is a new article testing two new systems (HP and Dell) with the Intel dual core technology. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124230,00.asp I copied some below...I can't wait to test one of these with my VST effect system and Mobius. "...the dual processors showed their stuff when juggling multiple jobs. The two notebooks shone in PC World's multitasking test (in which we browse the Web while converting a video file from one format to another), completing the test almost 30 percent faster than the Acer TravelMate 8100 did. The dv1000 was speediest, finishing the job in 470 seconds (or a little under 8 minutes), while the Dell took 498 seconds (or 8 minutes, 18 seconds); the Acer TravelMate needed 682 seconds (over 11 minutes) to finish. In video games, the speed of game play varied, but overall we did not notice much difference in visual quality or smoothness. Both of our test systems ran fairly cool and quiet. Thermal design power for the new T line is 31 watts, while the L line is rated at 15 watts--up slightly over the last generation, which had ratings of 27 watts for mainstream Pentium M CPUs and 10 watts for the low-voltage versions. Intel expects speed boosts even greater than the ones we saw in our tests. On some tests, the company says, it saw a performance boost of 68 percent or more. Keith Kressin, director of marketing for Intel's mobile products group, says that games should look better on Core Duo notebooks but that multitasking would benefit the most, as our tests show. "The more demanding the task--ripping a CD while watching a movie, for instance--the better the performance improvement," he says. Gerry Purdy, an analyst with MobileTrax, expects improvements on simultaneous tasks but not on tasks you merely switch between, such as working in a word processing document and then in a spreadsheet. "But when you do two things simultaneously and at least one of them involves media management, such as music or video, that's where dual core will really make a difference. For example, playing a live CNN video while you answer e-mails," he says. Leslie Fiering of Gartner agrees, offering the example of antivirus software's annoying tendency to stall other applications. "You can do real work while your virus checker is running in the background," she says." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced > Hmmmm, good question. That would be great. I think Apple/Intel still has > their lips sealed. All I know is that here soon many notebook manufactures > will be releasing notebooks with the dual core processor in it. They've been > building them all this time before the launch. I'm going to check now. Intel > and PC manufactures often work together on their launch announcements. Intel > was at Las Vegas this last few days demoing their dual core technology to > the industry. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced > > > > > > > > > > This is my wife's product at Intel. > > > > Is this the same processor that's supposed to be in the next (??) > > generation of Macs? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 07:44:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A6C53BEF4; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gtgDdmcBeojnnvnDIPUzmMZQWCujPg2CJL4IWt2WLPji3UE7R5UHcrQC2RpbEY4/gPabtJG1mU4e00n+9wcXfLRK9nDSm0Pua1I7oOh29ZadUwx7vNlMhEbsGChEgFa1QraXs+RdyQJq3Jf2QvdhOGdwJgAEdOgx+6aXBfDCfyo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:37:31 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced In-Reply-To: <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:37:34 +0000 (UTC) The real trick is how you have both a CD and a DVD in the drive at the same time... On 1/6/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Keith Kressin, director of marketing for Intel's mobile products group, s= ays > that games should look better on Core Duo notebooks but that multitasking > would benefit the most, as our tests show. 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View this site to see a picture of me:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2963086.stm I look forward to your response with great hope of assistance from your good self. jeweltaylor_libe@yahoo.com I remain Yours Truly, Mrs Jewel Taylor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 12:34:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD28B3BEDD; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015501c61386$b0846590$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 05:34:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 433, in=191589, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Suppose you are burning a copy of Mr. Bungle's first CD (which would break any machine), and also watching a 1.2 GB mpeg video of our favorite porn flick, "Zelda Does Zurich", which you've just downloaded from eMule. :) It's not the best multi-tasking example, I admit, unless you also have an external CD burner, in addition to your notebooks DVD/CD player bay. Another good one is having your Nortaon anti-virus program run a full scan, and trying to do "anything else". That always pisses me off. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced The real trick is how you have both a CD and a DVD in the drive at the same time... On 1/6/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Keith Kressin, director of marketing for Intel's mobile products group, says > that games should look better on Core Duo notebooks but that multitasking > would benefit the most, as our tests show. "The more demanding the > task--ripping a CD while watching a movie, for instance--the better the > performance improvement," he says. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 12:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33FC13BED9; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:52:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYTXTnYd5A/mfPpRCuI45VYs8yJJwAKmMcg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20060107125240.9AF573BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:52:41 +0000 (UTC) I just tried to go on the Electrix website and the server is down... I'm still hoping for some good news at the Namm show but this doesn't look to good From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 13:29:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B60B3BEE1; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007101c6138e$2737f420$44a2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20060107125240.9AF573BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:27:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Hmm, I took a look and it worked flawlessly. The only striking thing was the "January 7" news... which is basically the same news as a year or two back. Now this is a little odd... Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: mrweasel To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? > I just tried to go on the Electrix website and the server is down... > I'm still hoping for some good news at the Namm show but this doesn't look > to good > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 15:34:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 096533BEDF; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new gadget In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C36@lon-oxmail02> Message-ID: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C36@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463809535-491010861-1136648063=:11848" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:34:00 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1463809535-491010861-1136648063=:11848 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > all- apologies if this thing has been mentioned here before & escaped my > notice..... from time to time in the past, we have discussed & debated the > most cost-effective &/or reliable way of preserving performances for later > re-appreciation. minidiscs, dats, laptops, cassette recorders, mini hard > disc recorders & even things that use flash memory. > I saw this effort: > > http://www.ikey-audio.com/ > > in the UK sound-on-sound rag just before the christmas winterval. seems to > fit the bill- no mic pre's, but then I don't think I'd use them if they were > there. much better to invest in a dedicated portable mic pre-amp, as those > of us using minidisc walkthings will know. > > $230 I think.... mine is costing £130. > > but this thing can record from it's rca jacks (we call 'em phonos over here) > straight onto pretty much any usb storage device, as uncompressed wav or a > variety of mp3 templates, & it only has two buttons. you can even connect it > straight onto one of those ipod things. > > what could possibly go wrong? I wish they'd left off the level control, as > it looks suspiciously like one of those walkman volume controls that go > crackly after six weeks, but maybe I'll pry the lid off & remove that from > the equation. > > I've got one on the way- I'll let you all know how rubbish it is in a few > days! Let us know, please - I've been looking for a device for this kind of thing for field recording, and this looks perfect. If, of course, it's not rubbish :). best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html ---1463809535-491010861-1136648063=:11848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 15:57:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A87843BED9; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CgFxtZj2kfZnM3O+t/7gCmIQfor1WN8n6I10LpO3jBGi1zLRHHYOITAKVljZaOEecbe/7RYa27hB5kNehF5+FpAELkxgzkQ2AUnWeFUdmyVe08ULir00+byRemtR0+V6d4yDbifyACQPkWv8KyTnGzgDcnvUO669UU6QsSzhi/Y= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601070700h1cc07712r2ad268c0498428c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:00:46 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced In-Reply-To: <015501c61386$b0846590$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <015501c61386$b0846590$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:57:05 +0000 (UTC) It seems like you have to run two or more applications simultaneously to see the big speed improvements. I wonder if a VST host and VSTs count as separate applications? My guess is no. I think you would see a dramatic improvement if you are using two music applications with something like ReWire. On 1/7/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Suppose you are burning a copy of Mr. Bungle's first CD (which would brea= k > any machine), and also watching a 1.2 GB mpeg video of our favorite porn > flick, "Zelda Does Zurich", which you've just downloaded from eMule. :) > It's not the best multi-tasking example, I admit, unless you also have an > external CD burner, in addition to your notebooks DVD/CD player bay. Anot= her > good one is having your Nortaon anti-virus program run a full scan, and > trying to do "anything else". That always pisses me off. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:37 AM > Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced > > > The real trick is how you have both a CD and a DVD in the drive at the > same time... > > On 1/6/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > Keith Kressin, director of marketing for Intel's mobile products group, > says > > that games should look better on Core Duo notebooks but that multitaski= ng > > would benefit the most, as our tests show. "The more demanding the > > task--ripping a CD while watching a movie, for instance--the better the > > performance improvement," he says. > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 16:11:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9B73BEE4; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016b01c613a4$fab15dd0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <015501c61386$b0846590$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601070700h1cc07712r2ad268c0498428c7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 09:11:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.661000 Adult word porn=0.7,Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 98, in=57954, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:11:16 +0000 (UTC) I'm really not sure, but I will find out and eventually test it, unless someone on LD beats me to it. I think you are right, however, based on what the processor is designed to do. I'll get back to you in a few days. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced It seems like you have to run two or more applications simultaneously to see the big speed improvements. I wonder if a VST host and VSTs count as separate applications? My guess is no. I think you would see a dramatic improvement if you are using two music applications with something like ReWire. On 1/7/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Suppose you are burning a copy of Mr. Bungle's first CD (which would break > any machine), and also watching a 1.2 GB mpeg video of our favorite porn > flick, "Zelda Does Zurich", which you've just downloaded from eMule. :) > It's not the best multi-tasking example, I admit, unless you also have an > external CD burner, in addition to your notebooks DVD/CD player bay. Another > good one is having your Nortaon anti-virus program run a full scan, and > trying to do "anything else". That always pisses me off. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:37 AM > Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced > > > The real trick is how you have both a CD and a DVD in the drive at the > same time... > > On 1/6/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > Keith Kressin, director of marketing for Intel's mobile products group, > says > > that games should look better on Core Duo notebooks but that multitasking > > would benefit the most, as our tests show. "The more demanding the > > task--ripping a CD while watching a movie, for instance--the better the > > performance improvement," he says. > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 17:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FAD33BEDA; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,342,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="150699568:sNHT21039982" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107092330.0114aa88@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:26:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? In-Reply-To: <007101c6138e$2737f420$44a2fe91@inap> References: <20060107125240.9AF573BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC) The date on the page is just a bit of javascript that prints out the current date when you load the page. At 2006.01.07 05:27 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: >Hmm, I took a look and it worked flawlessly. The only striking thing was the >"January 7" news... which is basically the same news as a year or two back. >Now this is a little odd... > >Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 17:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 625743BEDC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:46:59 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c613b2$5cb21940$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C613BA.BE768140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYTslv0iBnj35/wQle8V0htaEOuDg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C613BA.BE768140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just hacked around a little bit on my computer, using an extremely simplified version of what I want to become my laptop sound setup: no foot controller and no faderbox was implemented, and audio ran over a rather...consumer piece of equipment (but all that will change in the future). How cool! I always wanted to be able to connect the synth I have in the basement mid-song to the setup and start jamming on it! Now I would be looking for something like a MIDI-controllable drum pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). To be more specific: I would want to create and edit drum patterns on-the-fly without having to resort to clicking around on-screen. Now I could use my faderbox (Behringer BCR2000) to generate the necessary MIDI commands - now all I need is a piece of software (preferably a plugin) that basically functions as a drum pattern sequencer which would sync to VST host tempo, and the contents should be editable by the MIDI commands. Im thinking like using two rotary encoders to select the place in the grid (one for the instrument, one for the position in time), and pusbuttons to place or delete notes. Does anyone know of something like this? 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How = cool! I always=20 wanted to be able to connect the synth I have in the basement mid-song = to the=20 setup and start jamming on it!
 
Now I = would be=20 looking for something like a MIDI-controllable drum pattern sequencer as = a VST=20 (or Live! plugin). To be more specific: I would want to create and edit = drum=20 patterns on-the-fly without having to resort to clicking around = on-screen. Now I=20 could use my faderbox (Behringer BCR2000) to generate the necessary MIDI = commands - now all I need is a piece of software (preferably a plugin) = that=20 basically functions as a drum pattern sequencer which would sync to VST = host=20 tempo, and the contents should be editable by the MIDI commands. Im = thinking=20 like using two rotary encoders to select the place in the grid (one for = the=20 instrument, one for the position in time), and pusbuttons to place or = delete=20 notes.
 
Does = anyone know of=20 something like this?
 
       =20 Rainer
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C613BA.BE768140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 18:23:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A112B3BEDA; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000701c613b2$5cb21940$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000701c613b2$5cb21940$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BC8BC84-2FE4-4F16-8609-22664AA48FCC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:23:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:23:18 +0000 (UTC) On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Now I would be looking for something like a MIDI-controllable drum > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have a OS X Mac. It's basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in drum sample player. A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far more advanced regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind and Mac). Both iDrum and GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" inspired by the legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their own sequnces, organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus RMX also have a unique sound but now built in sequencer. You have to drive RMX with MIDI sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and GURU). RMX has some interesting random scriptiing and effect processing options. Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample Player built into the software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the drum kits has to be dropped into Live slots on a track that is set to feed the Impulse. I can't answer for external MIDI editing options as you're requests are not very detailed. You will have to go to each products manual to check out if it will let you do what you have in mind. As far as changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will let you do that. Go to the manufacturers web pages and watch the movies. At least Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo and tutorial videos. These apps all have their own unique sound - even the cheap iDrum - so it's hard to recommend anything unheard. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 18:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E063BED8; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:38:06 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD In-reply-to: <9BC8BC84-2FE4-4F16-8609-22664AA48FCC@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:36:40 +0000 (UTC) There are so many services like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and probably hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a CD, what do you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure? Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 18:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36B2A3BEE6; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hl4uyI/T/fkvFRgMAK7tDrmF0QuaHisG1WDpjW568tsdwG1krIui6k+VCbdlbW4UKOHbohV4jKQ+XBZE7vfXvYtSP/YPl9xVJpcNHQDHfSFWLKmPkT5luDobzj9BVHUwDNcnXDcWf+sMtUL8QdDrVCcEHAdUyNF6qBLEVZ/YNw8= ; Message-ID: <20060107184324.41001.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060107092330.0114aa88@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps they were having server issues? It seems back up now... yet the text says, "Early next year..." does that now mean 2007? I'm going to be in Vancouver next week. Maybe I should go over and plead with them or something. As much as I love the company, I also hate this disregard for their customer base. If the Looperlative beats them to market with a stable stereo looper with feedback control and tight midi sync they shall get my money. How can you be faithful to someone who's not giving you the full story? I'm rooting for Electrix but not counting on them. Mark --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > The date on the page is just a bit of javascript > that prints out the > current date when you load the page. > > > At 2006.01.07 05:27 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > >Hmm, I took a look and it worked flawlessly. The > only striking thing was the > >"January 7" news... which is basically the same > news as a year or two back. > >Now this is a little odd... > > > >Stephen > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 18:47:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7B613BEE1; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38725335-02C6-4010-AC69-B5C110C83663@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:47:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) On 7 jan 2006, at 19.38, Warren Sirota wrote: > There are so many services like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and > probably > hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a > CD, what do > you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure? > > Warren CD Baby is good. It also helps you get your pieces into most digital web stores as well. But it doesn't help selling the CD, that's up to you. They only handle the logistics, which may come in handy if you want focus your own time into marketing and stuff. Any online CD outlet is "helpful in exposure" as long as you manage to direct people there ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 18:48:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72933BEDB; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:48:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <9BC8BC84-2FE4-4F16-8609-22664AA48FCC@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcYTt1yXn0Cmzes/Qha0o2qrdxY1PwAA1WwQ Message-Id: <20060107184846.IKYS25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Can the sequences for Impulse be recorded and looped live, or must you use prerecorded sequences? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample Player built into the software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the drum kits has to be dropped into Live slots on a track that is set to feed the Impulse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 18:59:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C5F3BEE6; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060107184846.IKYS25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060107184846.IKYS25099.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:59:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_Ep46C.A.MwB.q-AwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) On 7 jan 2006, at 19.48, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Can the sequences for Impulse be recorded and looped live, or must > you use > prerecorded sequences? > Gary In Live most functions can be mapped to MIDI cc data (or MIDI note data). You may use a wheel to scroll to the track armed with a certain drum kit (Impulse) and then push a button to start recording incoming MIDI. Live can be set, by default, to start looping as soon as you have played in (recorded) a MIDI sequence. MIDI and Audi clips are managed pretty much the same way. Commands can be mapped to external MIDI as well as to computer keys. So the hardest task with Live is not to "program" it for your live performance, it is to remember where the hell you mapped all those commands to ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 19:25:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0A63BEE6; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:25:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c613c0$1bfcaab0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9BC8BC84-2FE4-4F16-8609-22664AA48FCC@boysen.se> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYTt28Rfp9cPwFVR4K9i1cYVE8yagAB+MRg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options as you're > requests are not very detailed. You will have to go to each Ok, I'll try to be more specific: Imagine a drum pattern sequencer grid with a certain number of rows (each one corresponding to a different instrument, or more technically, each one sending a different MIDI note) and columns (each one corresponding to a specific point in time, e.g. to a 16th within a a two-bar-pattern (giving 32 columns). Now, instead of say using the MIDI editor of Live! and adding and deleting notes by clicking, I'd like a pattern sequencer which allows me to do this completely MIDI-controlled. Think of an "editing cursor": by sending e.g. MIDI CC#30, I can move it along the horizontal axis, by sending MIDI CC#31, I can move it along the vertical axis. By sending MIDI CC#32 (or a MIDI note, or whatever) I can either add or delete a note. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 19:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4073BEEC; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c613c3$50239ee0$bda2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20060107125240.9AF573BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060107092330.0114aa88@mail02.powweb.com> Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:43:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Which means that the date changes but not the content, correct? Hmmm... I suspect they´re still far from resurrection. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Echevarria To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? > The date on the page is just a bit of javascript that prints out the > current date when you load the page. > > > At 2006.01.07 05:27 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > >Hmm, I took a look and it worked flawlessly. The only striking thing was the > >"January 7" news... which is basically the same news as a year or two back. > >Now this is a little odd... > > > >Stephen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 20:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6DC73BEE6; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c613c0$1bfcaab0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c613c0$1bfcaab0$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:13:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:13:23 +0000 (UTC) >> I can't answer for external MIDI editing options as you're >> requests are not very detailed. You will have to go to each > On 7 jan 2006, at 20.25, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Ok, I'll try to be more specific: > > Imagine a drum pattern sequencer grid with a certain number of rows =20= > (each > one corresponding to a different instrument, or more technically, =20 > each one > sending a different MIDI note) and columns (each one corresponding =20 > to a > specific point in time, e.g. to a 16th within a a two-bar-pattern =20 > (giving 32 > columns). > > Now, instead of say using the MIDI editor of Live! and adding and =20 > deleting > notes by clicking, I'd like a pattern sequencer which allows me to =20 > do this > completely MIDI-controlled. > > Think of an "editing cursor": by sending e.g. MIDI CC#30, I can =20 > move it > along the horizontal axis, by sending MIDI CC#31, I can move it =20 > along the > vertical axis. By sending MIDI CC#32 (or a MIDI note, or whatever) =20 > I can > either add or delete a note. > > Rainer Well, I don't know of any sequencer that will let you MIDI control =20 such detailed levels externally. The closest would be Numerology, I =20 think. A new version, 2.0, is due any week now and this will have a =20 completely rewritten engine. Numerology is OS X only (don't know =20 which systems you prefer). It's drawing on classic modular step =20 sequencing from the days before MIDI and in many ways when this =20 paradigm is combined with todays MIDI control it will let you do =20 things that are not implemented in Live (because Live is targeting a =20 broader user base). In Num you set up as many drum sequences you =20 want. 16 or 32 steps initially, but you may also assign a mod wheel =20 to the last step and change the length of the sequence while it's =20 playing. What happens then is that the last notes will not play and =20 the sequence receives a new rhythmic feel. But there are global =20 parameters for "Accent" (falling differently on certain beats within =20= a bar) and "Groove Clock" which shifts every not played back with a =20 small amount to create a swing feel. These global accent and groove =20 clock parameters can be assigned to MIDI faders as well and "played" =20 when huge MIDI sequenced arrangements are performed. Totally cool IMHO. Oh... back to the question if you can "create" and "delete" notes =20 within a pattern. Yes you can, in a way. Imagine a pattern sequence =20 of 16 steps. In Num each step represents an optional note to be =20 played and is graphically presented as a fader with a handle. When =20 the handle is in at the bottom no note will play on that step in the =20 sequence. If the handle is at top of the fader a note will play with =20 full velocity and if the handle is in the middle a note will play =20 with mid velocity. Right now, while I'm typing, I'm doing the test to =20= MIDI learn the eight faders of my microKONTROL keyboard to the first =20 eight fades of such a "Control Sequencer" and its working just fine. =20 So with this method I can do what you ask for in Numerology. A MIDI =20 controller with buttons sending "on/off" type data (CC 1/128) could =20 be used as on/off buttons for each note in a sequence. Then you could =20= "tap dance" your fingers to create and change the sequence. Another =20 step sequencer can be set up to control the pitch of the notes. =20 Ouch... I can't rewrite the complete manual here.... ;-) For more =20 info check out http://www.five12.com/. BTW, some ppl on this list do =20 stuff with Numerolgoy. You can also assign buttons for muting sequencer modules, the =20 possibilities are quite endless. Numerology is for users that have an =20= idea of what to do with it - it's not something to "plug in to". =20 Numerology is also a host application that can host synths and =20 samplers, but there are no built-in sound possibilities. The upcoming =20= version is said to support ReWire, so it can be synced very tight =20 into other DAW applications, to be used as a kind of "modular MIDI =20 sequencing performance instrument". Speaking about ableton live: you can set up many tracks and sequences =20= with only on note in each, as a workaround to MIDI control those =20 notes a=B4la "on/off". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 20:17:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A11833BEE6; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43BEC116.2000007@sun.com> References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BEC116.2000007@sun.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:17:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: twisty little passages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:17:56 +0000 (UTC) At 1:12 PM -0600 1/6/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > >Ah Adventure, I think I had to retake a college course because of that one. >It actually predates the Commodore 64, the first version was released in 1977, >was written in Fortran, and ran on mainframes and what were at the time called >"minicomputers". Zork shares some of the same DNA but came along afterward. > >If anyone is interested (and gosh, who wouldn't be?) there is a history of the >game here: > > http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/Articles/NZT/zorkhist.html Heh! Not really loop-related, but a fun read nonetheless! I'd mention playing Star Trek on a mainframe in a campus lab that didn't even have monitors (the interface was entirely through those big yard-long dot-matrix printers), but that's really starting to make me feel old. ;) Thanks Jeff!!! --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 20:31:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7104F3BEF3; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.240.227] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: State of the art loopers Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:31:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2006 20:31:16.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F411F60:01C613C9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've been messing with loopers since the 80s and have a few (Repeater, Boomerang+, JamMan *old*, JamMan *new*, RC-20/20XL) but they all have shortcomings. I'd like to add an EDP or a Maneco to the mix. Should I just wait for the Looperlative to hit or go with one of these others in the meantime? Thanks, David Rolling From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 20:59:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0403BEE7; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.6b1865c2.30f185a6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:59:18 EST Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.6b1865c2.30f185a6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <2qSgyB.A.31E.quCwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:59:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_12d.6b1865c2.30f185a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/7/06 10:37:01 AM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes: Warren said: > There are so many services like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and probably > hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a CD, what=20= do > you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure? >=20 I have my CD up at several places. But the one with the most sales (and the=20 one that gives the best "foot in the door" to other distribution opportunities)=20 has been CD Baby. Owner, Derek Sivers is a great guy and offers a terrific=20 service. I'm sure there are other outfits out there operating along a similar sort of= =20 model. But I (and quite a few other LDers) have had pretty good luck with the Baby. They are bases in Portland, Oregon too. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_12d.6b1865c2.30f185a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/7/06 10:37:01 AM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes:

Warren said:

There are so many ser= vices like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and probably
hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a CD, what do=
you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure?

I have my CD up at several places. But the one with the most sales (and the=20= one
that gives the best "foot in the door" to other distribution opportunities)=20= has
been CD Baby. Owner, Derek Sivers is a great guy and offers a terrific servi= ce.
I'm sure there are other outfits out there operating along a similar sort of= model.
But I (and quite a few other LDers) have had pretty good luck with the Baby.=
They are bases in Portland, Oregon too.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_12d.6b1865c2.30f185a6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 21:07:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D18633BEF5; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.06393 secs) Message-ID: <3942.65.94.101.48.1136668029.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <38725335-02C6-4010-AC69-B5C110C83663@boysen.se> References: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> <38725335-02C6-4010-AC69-B5C110C83663@boysen.se> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:07:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_o51q.A.VAF.71CwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:07:07 +0000 (UTC) > On 7 jan 2006, at 19.38, Warren Sirota wrote: >> There are so many services like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and >> probably >> hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a >> CD, what do >> you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure? >> >> Warren > > CD Baby is good. It also helps you get your pieces into most digital > web stores as well. But it doesn't help selling the CD, that's up to > you. They only handle the logistics, which may come in handy if you > want focus your own time into marketing and stuff. Any online CD > outlet is "helpful in exposure" as long as you manage to direct > people there ;-) > > Per Boysen Per is right that CD Baby is good (VERY GOOD IMO) for handling the sales for your CD but they're not marketers/sales-reps for you - HOWEVER I have found that we seem to sell a certain amount of CDs from people just brousing the the CD Baby site and they do have some "TRY THIS - OTHER CDs you will love" links which *may* end up going to your page. Check the http://WWW.CDBABY.NET pages for some promo ideas and http://www.bandradio.com has a newsletter that sends out lots of promo tips - athough they're indie rock/pop oriented. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 21:15:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875743BEF8; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C36@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <3c1f0464f2fff14d37f7d6a14df84677@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: new gadget Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:15:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Just ordered one from Amazon.com at $109.00. This was the best price I=20= found -(Also available on ebay, Music123, Musicians Friend etc. at=20 street price of $149.00.) Not having an "iPod" I also ordered a=20 compatible SanDisk 1GB Cruzer Mini USB flash drive as the target=20 device. Hopefully everything works as advertised. I'll post=20 impression/ review in about a week. - Paul PS: Plan on using it to record solo gigs etc. for reference (direct out=20= from "UltraSound" acoustic guitar amp). On Jan 7, 2006, at 8:34 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> all- apologies if this thing has been mentioned here before & escaped=20= >> my >> notice..... from time to time in the past, we have discussed &=20 >> debated the >> most cost-effective &/or reliable way of preserving performances for=20= >> later >> re-appreciation. minidiscs, dats, laptops, cassette recorders, mini=20= >> hard >> disc recorders & even things that use flash memory. >> I saw this effort: >> >> http://www.ikey-audio.com/ >> >> in the UK sound-on-sound rag just before the christmas winterval.=20 >> seems to >> fit the bill- no mic pre's, but then I don't think I'd use them if=20 >> they were >> there. much better to invest in a dedicated portable mic pre-amp, as=20= >> those >> of us using minidisc walkthings will know. >> >> $230 I think.... mine is costing =A3130. >> >> but this thing can record from it's rca jacks (we call 'em phonos=20 >> over here) >> straight onto pretty much any usb storage device, as uncompressed wav=20= >> or a >> variety of mp3 templates, & it only has two buttons. you can even=20 >> connect it >> straight onto one of those ipod things. >> >> what could possibly go wrong? I wish they'd left off the level=20 >> control, as >> it looks suspiciously like one of those walkman volume controls that=20= >> go >> crackly after six weeks, but maybe I'll pry the lid off & remove that=20= >> from >> the equation. >> >> I've got one on the way- I'll let you all know how rubbish it is in a=20= >> few >> days! > > Let us know, please - I've been looking for a device for this kind of=20= > thing for field recording, and this looks perfect. If, of course, it's=20= > not rubbish :). > > best, > Steve B > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 21:25:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023103BEF7; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VwhXKYrDysdUxaTfPO8xxEavys60uIYLM762EravcP5lUH0//itqaVmJmbSyAaKUHQepfIoH9ul2PRNapg3grAcYz10MA9ea4b4HdiNMyD5dliaqskWxUB5iSQ9FMjx4CT0CRb0d9CzP38OGaaYStOYOdr3yTSLlQbqGCoZQaxo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:25:27 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: State of the art loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <06XDKB.A.nYF.LHDwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:25:31 +0000 (UTC) The EDP, any Maneco and the Looperlative are all very different beasts, and there's no published spec or manual for the Looperlative yet. You might want to identify what your must have features are and then compare the three. TravisH On 1/7/06, David Rolling wrote: > Hi, I've been messing with loopers since the 80s and have a few (Repeater= , > Boomerang+, JamMan *old*, JamMan *new*, RC-20/20XL) but they all have > shortcomings. > > I'd like to add an EDP or a Maneco to the mix. Should I just wait for the > Looperlative to hit or go with one of these others in the meantime? > > Thanks, > David Rolling > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 22:02:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4F973BEF3; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C03A8B.4090803@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:02:51 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Thanks! I already own Bidule, but the question is "Can it create > graphic indicators for monitoring MIDI throughput"? > (I'm not terrorizing the list, only hoping that someone out there have > already tried what I'm up to... an "experienced advice" would save me a > lot of time) Beside the possibility to ditch Live (instead of the Mac;-) and using Max/MSP for everything, you could also use MaxPlay. Just tell me what you need, I'd be able to program it in Max within half an hour... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 7 22:44:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9897F3BEEA; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--547605303 References: From: monk Subject: robert fripp answers Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:36:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--547605303 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i mentioned a while ago that my old friend is RF's american tech. only two folks sent questions. here are the answers i got. enjoy! > > fun. i think i can help, rich... > > > On Jan 7, 2006, at 2:41 PM, monk wrote: > >> www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic >> >> >> 1. What are the individual floor and rack units that RF used on >> his most recent >> soundscapes tour? >> > > > rack: eventide 8000a, switchblade 16 channel, GP-100, (4) Eventide > 3500's (2 dropped by restaurant workers trying to be HELPFUL at the > Ram's Head - we had to take them apart, in front of the crowd, and > re-seat the chips. and then they worked) - and his power amp, that > was pretty much it. There was a motu peice in there that John used > for things. John Sinks took his big rack (the lunar module, famed > for years of road use w. KC) and put it all into 4space skb's (re- > named the solar voyager) - so we could use my little Eddie Mini Van > Halen for the last tour. RObert ended up quite liking Eddie Mini > Van Halen - I think the list needs to know that. > > > > floor: Rocktron All Access, the Roland 13-pin splitter/A/B > selector, the 4 roland volumes, Gr-1, Gr-30. The GR-1 has the > expanded stuff. well actually that one's on my bench right now. > Peterson Strobe tuner. (2) Bag End loudspeakers. Apple G4 17" > laptop & projector. > > > >> 2. For what purpose does RF use each of the four volume >> controllers on the >> floor, next to the Rocktron All Access? > > each one controls different parts of the loops, and the various > loops. there's one master volume; then he can blend the upper or > lower 3500 pair loops with 2 more pedals, then lastly the 8000a, > which accepts either stereo loop as he toes them down. so, there's > like 3 loops basically going at all times, and he can shoot either > of the 2 main loops into the 8000a when desired creating the big > loop. a lot of control in that system and he works it like > houdini... actually that's a basic understanding of it - w. the > switchblade, loops and systems are sometimes put in different > places in the signal series however that's basically how it works. > The TC's are gone, they were getting old and aren't supported any > more. Also no Whammy pedal in the soundscape rig. > >> >> 3. Is there a general looping technique that RF tends to use >> currently when >> creating soundscapes? I ask because RF's recent soundscapes seem >> much less >> repetitive (i.e., it's harder to pick out individual loops in his >> current work, >> whereas on the soundscapes of the mid-1990s, it seems easier to >> identify >> repeated phrases). As an amateur looper, I'm curious to learn any >> looping >> techniques that would make the output less blatantly repetitious. >> > > see above answer > > >> >> 4) Listening to his latest soundscape CD (Love Cannot Bear), I was >> again >> wondering how he creates his incredible string sounds. At first >> glance they >> sound just like average synth string patches but then they are so >> dynamic >> and organic ... my string sounds are boring compared to that. I >> guess he >> uses Roland guitar synths for that and somehow enhances the >> original sounds, >> maybe using Eventides or something. > > > yep > > > rockon Ric! > > > Bb > > --Apple-Mail-2--547605303 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i mentioned a while ago that my = old friend is RF's american tech. only two folks sent = questions.=A0


here are the answers i = got.

enjoy!





fun.= i think i can help, rich...=A0


On Jan 7, = 2006, at 2:41 PM, monk wrote:



1.=A0 What are the individual floor = and rack units that RF used on his most recent
soundscapes tour?

rack:=A0= eventide 8000a, switchblade 16 channel, GP-100, (4) Eventide = 3500's (2 dropped by restaurant workers trying to be HELPFUL at the = Ram's Head - we had to take them apart, in front of the crowd, and = re-seat the chips. and then they worked) - and his power amp, that was = pretty much it. There was a motu peice in there that John used for = things.=A0John Sinks took his big rack (the lunar module, famed = for years of road use w. KC) and put it all into 4space skb's (re-named = the solar voyager) - so we could use my little Eddie Mini Van Halen for = the last tour. RObert ended up quite liking Eddie Mini Van Halen - I = think the list needs to know that.=A0



floor: Rocktron All Access, the Roland = 13-pin splitter/A/B selector, the 4 roland volumes, Gr-1, Gr-30. The = GR-1 has the expanded stuff. well actually that one's on my bench right = now. Peterson Strobe tuner.=A0 (2) Bag End loudspeakers.=A0 Apple G4 = 17" laptop & projector.

=A0

2.=A0 For what purpose does RF use = each of the four volume controllers on the
floor, next to the Rocktron All = Access?

each one controls different = parts of the loops, and the various loops. there's one master volume; = then he can blend the upper or lower 3500 pair loops with 2 more pedals, = then lastly the 8000a, which accepts either stereo loop as he toes them = down. so, there's like 3 loops basically going at all times, and he can = shoot either of the 2 main loops into the 8000a when desired creating = the big loop. a lot of control in that system and he works it like = houdini... actually that's a basic understanding of it - w. the = switchblade, loops and systems are sometimes put in different places in = the signal series however that's basically how it works.=A0 The TC's are = gone, they were getting old and aren't supported any more. Also no = Whammy pedal in the soundscape rig.


3.=A0 Is = there a general looping technique that RF tends to use currently = when
creating soundscapes?=A0 I ask because RF's recent = soundscapes seem much less
repetitive (i.e., it's harder to pick out individual loops in = his current work,
whereas = on the soundscapes of the mid-1990s, it seems easier to = identify
repeated phrases).=A0 As an amateur looper, I'm = curious to learn any looping
techniques that would make the output less blatantly = repetitious.
see above = answer



4) = Listening to his latest soundscape CD (Love Cannot Bear), I was = again
wondering how he creates his = incredible string sounds. At first glance they
sound just like average synth string patches but then = they are so dynamic
and = organic ... my string sounds are boring compared to that. I guess = he
uses Roland guitar synths = for that and somehow enhances the original sounds,
maybe using Eventides or something.
=


yep


rockon Ric!


Bb



= --Apple-Mail-2--547605303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 02:03:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D51B3BEE0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003d01c613f7$c2e84690$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601062006ie57a5fev17141d9b9d49d792@mail.gmail.com> <00fb01c61359$df4dc1f0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010f01c6135a$ef5187c0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011f01c6135b$deb98650$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <015501c61386$b0846590$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601070700h1cc07712r2ad268c0498428c7@mail.gmail.com> <016b01c613a4$fab15dd0$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:03:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.661000 Adult word porn=0.7,Aspam=3.0 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -energy -measure -originally -confirmation -food -brain -samples -miracle -confident X-Aspam: URLS scored 3.0 tripod.com ubgonline.com X-Aspam: Best match was sample d:\bad\130228271.tmp X-Aspam: Total 3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 433, in=191768, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Quick clarification and correction on this. With the Intel dual core processor, there is only one cache (not two), but it is 2MB and shared by each core. Apparently, this is more efficent than each core having its own cache, where they couldn't combine memory to server one or both cores. Also, there is some benefit from using the dual core processor with just one app because some elements of the application will be handled by one core, and other elements by the other core. The benefits will be especially evident for those apps that have been written to utilize Intel's hyperthreading technology, which has been around for some time, but the greatest benefit will be in applications that are modified to take advantage of the dual cores. In short, for those of us using VST hosts and VST plugins, we won't be able to predict what level of improvement we would see. It would depend on how the applications are written. For those of you using several applications at the same time, you would see an obvious improvement. Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art Simon" > It seems like you have to run two or more applications simultaneously > to see the big speed improvements. I wonder if a VST host and VSTs > count as separate applications? My guess is no. I think you would see > a dramatic improvement if you are using two music applications with > something like ReWire. > > On 1/7/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> Suppose you are burning a copy of Mr. Bungle's first CD (which would >> break >> any machine), and also watching a 1.2 GB mpeg video of our favorite porn >> flick, "Zelda Does Zurich", which you've just downloaded from eMule. :) >> It's not the best multi-tasking example, I admit, unless you also have an >> external CD burner, in addition to your notebooks DVD/CD player bay. > Another >> good one is having your Nortaon anti-virus program run a full scan, and >> trying to do "anything else". That always pisses me off. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Travis Hartnett" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:37 AM >> Subject: Re: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced >> >> >> The real trick is how you have both a CD and a DVD in the drive at the >> same time... >> >> On 1/6/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> > >> > Keith Kressin, director of marketing for Intel's mobile products group, >> says >> > that games should look better on Core Duo notebooks but that > multitasking >> > would benefit the most, as our tests show. "The more demanding the >> > task--ripping a CD while watching a movie, for instance--the better the >> > performance improvement," he says. >> > >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 02:14:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BE63BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:13:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 433, in=191772, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:14:01 +0000 (UTC) I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from eBuzz, wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use data from Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than CD Baby and Amazon Advantage. Here is their comparison chart: http://www.earbuzz.com/compare.lasso Anyone using them? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD > There are so many services like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and probably > hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a CD, what > do > you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure? > > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 02:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F7F3BEDC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:51:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9EmdhD.A.y1F.c4HwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Started out on earbuzz, went to cdstreet, then cdbaby. CDBaby is way more connected. sold a fair share on earbuzz but they kept changing what they took from the musicians. They started out free and then kept charging.... I sold a fair share using paypal as well as through accepting personal checks. All in all, it comes down to you driving people to your website, and selling at shows, etc. They only provide the forum; you need to provide the elbow grease and the hard work of getting people to see your website and listen to your music. ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from eBuzz, wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use data from Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than CD Baby and Amazon Advantage. Here is their comparison chart: http://www.earbuzz.com/compare.lasso Anyone using them? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD > There are so many services like CDBaby, CNET Music Downloads, and probably > hundreds or thousands of others. When you are ready to put out a CD, what > do > you do with it? Has anything really been helpful in sales or exposure? > > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 02:56:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C8C53BEDC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VM5cVuHU7p91/lr2yHfevHGLg7KeT244yJj1YGe6hEMDSAKdGBoFtlX9bzWHG09W; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220061083311230@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Equipment stand ideas Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:03:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940baf45ab3d8b2d105c9a30c8cd511b76c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.192 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:56:52 +0000 (UTC) My friend Kris Thompson uses an ironing board for his keyboard. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: sarth > To: > Date: 1/6/2006 3:05:18 PM > Subject: RE: Equipment stand ideas > > I use the quicklock ws-550 with attached shelves. I wanted to use the second > tier, but sent it back because it seemed to require too much setup time. The > ws-550 is stable and re;latively quick to set up, the next quickest thing to > an x-style stand. The shelves are relatively sturdy and not sooo slow; if I > could find something faster to support a laptop, drumachine, full sized > keyboard, and small keyboard, I would switch ... but I haven't seen it yet. > > -- Sarth > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Equipment stand ideas > > I use some nice, wood portable TV trays. Not that stable, but I like living > on the edge... :) I have seen some TV trays that are more stable, however. > This works great if you are a sitter...I like the keyboard stand idea for > standing. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hazard factor" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:07 AM > Subject: Equipment stand ideas > > > I need some equipment stand ideas, kids....I have a 6 space rack, and a > small 12 channel mixer. I want to avoid lugging out more stuff that is > needed, and compact stands would be better than dragging out a whole café > table. I hate excessive setup time (and often don't have that luxury), and > want something that looks nice too. > > So, what do y'all use to put the racks on for gigs? I have used a few > things... > > - an X style keyboard stand, with the mixer on top of the rack. This would > work great, as the X stand is light and folds almost flat. However, it isn't > very stable. I have never had it fall, but have come very close. > > - a small amp stand for the rack which makes it face around 45 degrees up. > Great to get to the EDP buttons, but then I have to bring a small plant > stand for the mixer since it won't fit on the rack case at that angle. > > - I have gone to a small Behringer rack mixer too, although it doesn't sound > as good as my Mackie, and doesn't have as many options. I am thinking about > just going back to the Mackie. It takes a little longer to set up (5mins) > and breaks the 'more to bring to a gig' rule, but it sounds so good. > > Any other ideas I am not thinking of? Sometimes I sit, sometimes stand, so > it has to be reachable- at least viewable, so I can glance at the displays- > otherwist I'd just put the rack on the floor (damn LCD screens!). Some > people use equipment cases, which are great, but I don't bring equipment > that big to require a huge case. So, I am open to ideas. > PVC? Luggage stands? TV Trays? Rope from the ceiling? Busty models? (what an > odd selection of ideas...) > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 03:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9BB43BEE6; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61404.BEA0EB42" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Thread-Index: AcYTJqBsDAOTh8/ZT3mazv2zKRSrmQA3XrTw From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2006 03:36:44.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF01D1B0:01C61404] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:36:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61404.BEA0EB42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Come on....this seems ludicrous. I know Cage was a formiddable figure in experimental music, but this seems like taking it a bit too far. Reading this, I thought maybe I was reading a script for a new Monty Python movie. Do they have someone at the=20 =20 Kris =20 =20 =20 Second chord sounds in world's longest lasting concert =20 http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060105/lf_afp/afpentertainmentgermany=20 Thu Jan 5, 11:12 AM ET=20 HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new chord was scheduled to sound in the world's slowest and longest lasting concert that is taking a total 639 years to perform. The abandoned Buchardi church in Halberstadt, eastern Germany, is the venue for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of a piece of music by US experimental composer John Cage (1912-1992). Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS Possible"), the performance began on September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last until 2639. The first year and half of the performance was total silence, with the first chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not sounding until February 2, 2003. Then in July 2004, two additional Es, an octave apart, were sounded and are scheduled to be released later this year on May 5. But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, the first chord was due to progress to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp -- and is to be held down over the next few years by weights on an organ being built especially for the project. Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987. But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, using Cage's transcription for organ. The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the current project started. That original organ, built by Nikolaus Faber for Halberstadt's cathedral, was the first organ ever to be used for liturgical purposes, ringing in a new era in which the organ has played a central role in church music ever since. As part of Halberstadt's John Cage Organ Project, a brand-new organ is being built specially, with new pipes added in time for when new notes are scheduled to sound. Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th century's most influential composers, Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951). Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes works such as the notorious "4'33", a piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds of total silence, all meticulously notated. The organisers of the John Cage Organ Project say the record-breaking performance in Halberstadt also has a philosophical background -- to "rediscover calm and slowness in today's fast-changing world". ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61404.BEA0EB42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Come=20 on....this seems ludicrous. I know Cage was a formiddable figure in = experimental music, but this seems like taking it a bit too far.  = Reading=20 this, I thought maybe I was reading a script for a new Monty Python = movie. =20 Do they have someone at the
 
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Second chord sounds in = world's longest=20 lasting concert  
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060105/lf_afp/afpentertainmentgermany 

Thu Jan 5,=20 11:12 AM ET

HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new chord = was=20 scheduled to sound in the world's slowest and longest lasting concert = that is=20 taking a total 639 years to perform.

The abandoned Buchardi church in = Halberstadt, eastern=20 Germany, is the venue for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of a = piece=20 of music by US experimental composer John Cage (1912-1992).

Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS = Possible"),=20 the performance began on September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last = until=20 2639.

The first year and half of the = performance was total=20 silence, with the first chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not sounding = until=20 February 2, 2003.

Then in July 2004, two additional Es, an = octave=20 apart, were sounded and are scheduled to be released later this year on = May=20 5.

But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, = the first=20 chord was due to progress to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp -- = and is=20 to be held down over the next few years by weights on an organ being = built=20 especially for the project.

Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 = as a=20 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in=20 1987.

But organisers of the John Cage Organ = Project decided=20 to take the composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 = years,=20 using Cage's transcription for organ.

The enormous running time was chosen to = commemorate=20 the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 = years=20 before the current project started.

That original organ, built by Nikolaus = Faber for=20 Halberstadt's cathedral, was the first organ ever to be used for = liturgical=20 purposes, ringing in a new era in which the organ has played a central = role in=20 church music ever since.

As part of Halberstadt's John Cage Organ = Project, a=20 brand-new organ is being built specially, with new pipes added in time = for when=20 new notes are scheduled to sound.

Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th = century's most=20 influential composers, Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951).

Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes works = such as the=20 notorious "4'33", a piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds of = total=20 silence, all meticulously notated.

The organisers of the John Cage Organ = Project say the=20 record-breaking performance in Halberstadt also has a philosophical = background=20 -- to "rediscover calm and slowness in today's fast-changing=20 world".

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61404.BEA0EB42-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 03:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00F363BEE4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008301c61405$bce16d40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:43:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C613CB.0FB13B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 98, in=58144, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:43:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C613CB.0FB13B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, this is their interpretation of "As slow as possible"? This could = take a lot longer than 639 years if we really consider "the possible". = It could take infinitely long depending on what school of math you = subscribe to. :) Better yet, we could apply Cantor's principle of = diagonalization and multiple levels of infinity and say that each beat = take an infinite amount of time, adding other beats (sets of infinity). = Hence, let's just start that first beat of silence on the first section = and call out part done. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hartung, Kris=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Come on....this seems ludicrous. I know Cage was a formiddable figure = in experimental music, but this seems like taking it a bit too far. = Reading this, I thought maybe I was reading a script for a new Monty = Python movie. Do they have someone at the=20 Kris Second chord sounds in world's longest lasting concert =20 http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060105/lf_afp/afpentertainmentgermany=20 Thu Jan 5, 11:12 AM ET=20 HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new chord was scheduled to sound in the = world's slowest and longest lasting concert that is taking a total 639 = years to perform. The abandoned Buchardi church in Halberstadt, eastern Germany, is the = venue for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of a piece of music = by US experimental composer John Cage (1912-1992). Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS Possible"), the performance = began on September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last until 2639. The first year and half of the performance was total silence, with the = first chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not sounding until February 2, = 2003. Then in July 2004, two additional Es, an octave apart, were sounded = and are scheduled to be released later this year on May 5. But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, the first chord was due to = progress to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp -- and is to be held = down over the next few years by weights on an organ being built = especially for the project. Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for = piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987. But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the = composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, = using Cage's transcription for organ. The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of = Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the = current project started. That original organ, built by Nikolaus Faber for Halberstadt's = cathedral, was the first organ ever to be used for liturgical purposes, = ringing in a new era in which the organ has played a central role in = church music ever since. As part of Halberstadt's John Cage Organ Project, a brand-new organ is = being built specially, with new pipes added in time for when new notes = are scheduled to sound. Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th century's most influential = composers, Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951). Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes works such as the notorious "4'33", = a piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds of total silence, all = meticulously notated. The organisers of the John Cage Organ Project say the record-breaking = performance in Halberstadt also has a philosophical background -- to = "rediscover calm and slowness in today's fast-changing world". ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C613CB.0FB13B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, this is their interpretation of = "As slow as=20 possible"? This could take a lot longer than 639 years if we=20 really consider "the possible".  It could take infinitely long = depending on what school of math you subscribe to. :)   Better = yet, we=20 could apply Cantor's principle of diagonalization and multiple = levels of=20 infinity and say that each beat take an infinite amount of time, = adding=20 other beats (sets of infinity). Hence, let's just start that first beat = of=20 silence on the first section and call out part done.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hartung,=20 Kris
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 07, = 2006 8:36=20 PM
Subject: 639 Year Long Concert = - Cage=20 Composition - "ASLSP"

Come=20 on....this seems ludicrous. I know Cage was a formiddable figure = in=20 experimental music, but this seems like taking it a bit too far.  = Reading=20 this, I thought maybe I was reading a script for a new Monty Python=20 movie.  Do they have someone at the
 
Kris
 
 
 
Second chord = sounds in=20 world's longest lasting concert  
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060105/lf_afp/afpentertainmentgermany 

Thu Jan 5,=20 11:12 AM ET

HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new = chord was=20 scheduled to sound in the world's slowest and longest lasting concert = that is=20 taking a total 639 years to perform.

The abandoned Buchardi church in = Halberstadt, eastern=20 Germany, is the venue for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of = a piece=20 of music by US experimental composer John Cage = (1912-1992).

Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS = Possible"),=20 the performance began on September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last = until=20 2639.

The first year and half of the = performance was=20 total silence, with the first chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not = sounding=20 until February 2, 2003.

Then in July 2004, two additional Es, = an octave=20 apart, were sounded and are scheduled to be released later this year = on May=20 5.

But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, = the first=20 chord was due to progress to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp = -- and is=20 to be held down over the next few years by weights on an organ being = built=20 especially for the project.

Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in = 1985 as a=20 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in=20 1987.

But organisers of the John Cage Organ = Project=20 decided to take the composer at his word and stretch out the = performance for=20 639 years, using Cage's transcription for organ.

The enormous running time was chosen to = commemorate=20 the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 = years=20 before the current project started.

That original organ, built by Nikolaus = Faber for=20 Halberstadt's cathedral, was the first organ ever to be used for = liturgical=20 purposes, ringing in a new era in which the organ has played a central = role in=20 church music ever since.

As part of Halberstadt's John Cage = Organ Project, a=20 brand-new organ is being built specially, with new pipes added in time = for=20 when new notes are scheduled to sound.

Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th = century's most=20 influential composers, Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951).

Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes = works such as=20 the notorious "4'33", a piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds = of total=20 silence, all meticulously notated.

The organisers of the John Cage Organ = Project say=20 the record-breaking performance in Halberstadt also has a = philosophical=20 background -- to "rediscover calm and slowness in today's = fast-changing=20 world".

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C613CB.0FB13B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 03:54:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 428773BEEC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kPOVUH2CNGWJq2UD4m7YnsgTwdj2XYxv3sj4O/jZhx8jsbyL0dtVChhEj63jg8ikvevbR8+8Dcn3lDwfWpZsgMZnVDV2/EUFQDu0242pKaao3W7yVlNw+cC94yrPlWViMJfx8tt7NCInIU6XzT0/kIc3rTU9rpPUWqlPndXL97k= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:54:39 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <008301c61405$bce16d40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <008301c61405$bce16d40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Stewart Copeland had some piece on "They Rhythmitist" which was built on some sample of a big rock being hit by (I believe) aborigines in Australia. They do this as part of some ceremony every (I believe) 17 years. In the liner notes he said that in theory, this could be thought of as a v-e-r-y slow tempo track. TravisH On 1/7/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Also, this is their interpretation of "As slow as possible"? This could t= ake > a lot longer than 639 years if we really consider "the possible". It cou= ld > take infinitely long depending on what school of math you subscribe to. := ) > Better yet, we could apply Cantor's principle of diagonalization and > multiple levels of infinity and say that each beat take an infinite amoun= t > of time, adding other beats (sets of infinity). Hence, let's just start t= hat > first beat of silence on the first section and call out part done. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 03:54:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2733BEF8; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.060935 secs) Message-ID: <60486.65.95.241.167.1136692503.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:55:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:54:59 +0000 (UTC) > I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from eBuzz, > wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use data from > Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than CD Baby and > Amazon Advantage. > > Here is their comparison chart: http://www.earbuzz.com/compare.lasso > > Anyone using them? This chart implies a higher return for each CD sold but not actually more (better?) sales. Just sayin' Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 04:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A13D3BEE4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c6140e$82d36eb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01c301c613b9$806ea450$0302a8c0@Lightning> <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <60486.65.95.241.167.1136692503.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:46:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=196469, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Good point. That is sort of misleading of them, eh? It could mean that I sold 100 CDs from CD Baby and 1 at eBuzz, even though eBuzz gave me a higher percentage of that single sale.....meaning that all things being equal (number of sales), you would make more money from eBuzz. And given that most of your CD sales on these two sites is going to result from your own hard work, eBuzz could be the better bet in the long run. I used the Orchard for my first solo CD, who distributed to Amazon, and a whole bunch of other retailers (like Sam Goody, Tower Records, etc), and many digital music places. The Orchard also got me on All Music Guide, which CD Baby hasn't done yet. I wish they would, then the rest of my dicography would show up on AMG. I'd like to see if CD Baby can do this. I'll send a note to them now. Maybe others can do the same? Maybe if more people send the request, they might be able to do something. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD >> I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from >> eBuzz, >> wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use data from >> Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than CD Baby and >> Amazon Advantage. >> >> Here is their comparison chart: http://www.earbuzz.com/compare.lasso >> >> Anyone using them? > > This chart implies a higher return for each CD sold > but not actually more (better?) sales. Just sayin' > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 05:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA463BEE4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BEC116.2000007@sun.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:16:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: OT: PMC-10 Spotted For Sale... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:16:28 +0000 (UTC) After last week's discussion on the Digitech PMC-10 MIDI Foot Controller, I thought this might be of interest to somebody on the list. It looks like Matt at Patchman Music has a PMC-10 for sale, with programmer and manual. If you're interested, you can find further details at http://www.patchmanmusic.com/UsedGear.html . Scroll about a quarter way down the page and you'll find the ad. It's not a bargain: $295 + $25 shipping. However, I've dealt with Matt before (his patches for the VL-70m are killer). His stuff is generally quality, but not exactly cheap. --m. (Note: If it's not already obvious, I am *not* the seller here. I merely tripped over this while surfing.) -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 10:21:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0033BEDD; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <85.35936b80.30f24195@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:21:09 EST Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1136715669" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:21:16 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1136715669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's okay Kris. Those in the realm of experimental music accept that some people just don't get it because of preconceived notions and ideas etc. -------------------------------1136715669 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's okay Kris.  Those in the realm of experimental music accept= =20 that some people just don't get it because of preconceived notions and ideas= =20 etc.
 -------------------------------1136715669-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 11:52:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CBAB3BEE6; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:51:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8H9xj.A.wdB.kzPwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:52:04 +0000 (UTC) After reading the thread about how to increase CD sales for one's artistic recordings I wanted to share my experience about the whole phenomenon of making money with CD sales. After gigging in 12 countries in the last 3 years and playing with literally dozens of different and very diverse artists, I have definitely seen a very strong trend away from CD sales in general by independent artists. I don't have statistical proof, but I have informally queeried as many artists as I can about this observation of mine. I'm active in the world music field, the live looping movement, the dark ambient field, the goth/industrial scene, the abstract electronica scene and the jazz scene and everyone I've asked has noticed the same trend: People seem not to be buying CDs in the numbers they used to even four or five years ago............... either at concerts, online or through websites. Whether it is the incredible proliferation of free mp3s that now abound online or perhaps the incredible proliferation of self produced CDs by artists (which comes with the attendant plethora of half baked and unprofessional recordings that come with inexpensive media) , it seems like selling CDs as a really viable way of creating income may be a thing of the past (without very heavy exposure afforded either by incessant (and costly touring) or the backing of major or major independent labels). I've even noticed a very strong tendency on this very list away from people actually paying money for looper CDs from about four or five years ago. Because I have produced so many looping festivals I, myself , recieve a constant source of brand new looping CDs. What I've noticed is a decided rise in the sophistication and excellence of the CDs being produced by our community, notably in the last year. This year we've seen really excellent recordings come out by Andy Butler, Bernhard Wagner, Michael Bearpark, Sunao Inami, Per Boysen and many, many others yet actual sales by the artists have been very, very minimal. I wonder why that is. Do you folks have other information that refutes what I've noticed? Like I said, I don't have stats to back it up just I've heard a lot of musicians talking about it. What's your experience? Why do you think that this list in general is not more supportive of the artists who are releasing commercial CDs? Is this even your experience? I'm really curious to hear what everyone has to say. respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 11:53:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ACB33BEDF; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c6144a$204c13f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 03:53:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: > I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from eBuzz, > wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use data from > Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than CD Baby and > Amazon Advantage. As long as any of these sites are not forcing exclusivity on sales.......................the more the merrier. Why don't we collate all of the different ways to get online distribution as a resource for this community? Perhaps we could put up a page here at Loopers Delight that let's people know how to use these resources and how to do so. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 12:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39EAA3BEE0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006601c6144b$ebd25290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 04:06:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6W_QbD.A.lIC.1AQwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:06:14 +0000 (UTC) I've decided to one up the John Cage "ASLSP" concert Halberstadt in two different ways: Today, I created a piece of music that lasts for one sample length (of very loud noise) in 24 bit, 96 khz format. I call the piece "AFSTSP" (As FaST aS Possible) (for John Cage, Link Wray, Elliot Smith and Lou Rawls) Today, I also started the first day of performance of the Cage piece "4 minutes 33 seconds". I've remixed the piece and I am calling it the "4 trillion years, 33 billion days MEGA Mix" I will be maximixing it to Red Book CD standards and will be releasing it as a 1.3 trillion DVD, 5.1 surround sound Box set ($450,000,000,000 on CD Baby). I've decided to use only the best acid free stock for the 50,000 page liner notes which will, of course, be blank. Regretfully I will not live to here the turning of the first page of music in that performance but someone had to do it. TFIC (Tongue Firmly In Cheek), Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 12:10:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6E93BEE0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f101c6144c$89be2dd0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <85.35936b80.30f24195@aol.com> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:10:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C61411.DC834DB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 99, in=58188, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C61411.DC834DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you saying that I don't get it? I play experimental music too and = have a very open mind (heck, check out my Project MRI in the CT = Collective). One can get yet, yet still call bullshit on the = significance or novelty of a work. That's my subjective right as an = artist and free thinker. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ryman1960@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" That's okay Kris. Those in the realm of experimental music accept = that some people just don't get it because of preconceived notions and = ideas etc. ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C61411.DC834DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are you saying that I don't get it? I play experimental music too = and have=20 a very open mind (heck, check out my Project MRI in the CT Collective). = One can=20 get yet, yet still call bullshit on the significance or novelty of a = work.=20 That's my subjective right as an artist and free thinker.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
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That's okay Kris.  Those in the realm of experimental music = accept=20 that some people just don't get it because of preconceived notions and = ideas=20 etc.
------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C61411.DC834DB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 12:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 015513BEF3; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010001c6144d$4cc40570$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <006601c6144b$ebd25290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:16:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 99, in=58189, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Hilarious, Rick. Now that I can accept as humor. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" > I've decided to one up the John Cage "ASLSP" concert Halberstadt in two > different ways: > > > Today, I created a piece of music that lasts for one sample length (of > very loud noise) in 24 bit, 96 khz format. > I call the piece "AFSTSP" (As FaST aS Possible) (for John Cage, Link > Wray, Elliot Smith and Lou Rawls) > > Today, I also started the first day of performance of the Cage piece > "4 minutes 33 seconds". > > I've remixed the piece and I am calling it the "4 trillion years, 33 > billion days MEGA Mix" I will be maximixing it to Red Book CD > standards and will be releasing it as a 1.3 trillion DVD, 5.1 surround > sound Box set ($450,000,000,000 on CD Baby). > I've decided to use only the best acid free stock for the 50,000 page > liner notes which will, of course, be blank. > > Regretfully I will not live to here the turning of the first page of music > in that performance but someone had to do it. > > > TFIC (Tongue Firmly In Cheek), Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 12:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA103BEF1; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010f01c6144d$c8644690$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004601c613f9$2fb2cfb0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004201c6144a$204c13f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:19:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 436, in=207638, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:19:35 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" > > Why don't we collate all of the different ways to get online distribution > as a resource for this community? > Perhaps we could put up a page here at Loopers Delight that let's people > know how to use these resources > and how to do so. I'll vote for that. Beyond CD Baby, The Orchard, and Amazon Advantage, I have been leery to try out others (except for Abstract Logix) because I think there is such a thing as diversifying too much with these other services if they don't have much to offer. Mainly, more awarness of these other services would help me at least. What sort of info would we ask for collection purposes? Name, website, short description, cost/fees, method of getting music to the services (CD, mp3, etc) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 12:21:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1AFE3BEDD; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Soft Rack Cases? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 05:21:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0113_01C61413.67F8CA90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.finecases.com) (http://w) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 99, in=58190, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:21:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C61413.67F8CA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking of buying a three space soft rack mount case for my Alesis = Masterlink and a few half-rack effects. I found this one: http://www.finecases.com/browse/protec/protec-1022.html Anyone else know of another brand I should check out? I noticed this one = didn't have rack rails, so I'm assuming you just stack the units in = there and they fit snug between the foam? Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C61413.67F8CA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm thinking of buying a three space = soft rack=20 mount case for my Alesis Masterlink and a few half-rack effects. I found = this=20 one:
 
http://w= ww.finecases.com/browse/protec/protec-1022.html
 
Anyone else know of another brand I = should check=20 out? I noticed this one didn't have rack rails, so I'm assuming you just = stack=20 the units in there and they fit snug between the foam?
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0113_01C61413.67F8CA90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 13:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCD823BEE1; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.67.187.117] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <006601c6144b$ebd25290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:29:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:29:28 +0000 (UTC) He he - nice one Rick! Isn't there a millenium piece of computer generated music designed to run for a thousand years? I think the current computer is in Greeenwich, London somewhere, maybe at the royal observatory. I heard a bit of it on the radio - it actually sounds good. Gareth > > > Today, I created a piece of music that lasts for one sample length (of > very loud noise) in 24 bit, 96 khz format. > I call the piece "AFSTSP" (As FaST aS Possible) (for John Cage, Link > Wray, Elliot Smith and Lou Rawls) > > Today, I also started the first day of performance of the Cage piece > "4 minutes 33 seconds". > > I've remixed the piece and I am calling it the "4 trillion years, 33 > billion days MEGA Mix" I will be maximixing it to Red Book CD > standards and will be releasing it as a 1.3 trillion DVD, 5.1 surround > sound Box set ($450,000,000,000 on CD Baby). > I've decided to use only the best acid free stock for the 50,000 page > liner notes which will, of course, be blank. > > Regretfully I will not live to here the turning of the first page of music > in that performance but someone had to do it. > > > TFIC (Tongue Firmly In Cheek), Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 13:49:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636773BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007d01c6145a$0da272c0$b4a2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:43:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, unfortunately, you´re right, CD sales are in fact declining. I have been busy releasing CDs on my own over the past eight years, and in the meantime a CD sells half as fast as it used to some five or six years ago. I have even been asked if I´d upload my newest album for download on the net. This is in fact a stupid question if you take into consideration that the album had just been released, and it took me a lot of effort to get the artwork and the pressing right. Being an old-fashioned record collector I prefer holding something physical in my hands, not something "virtual" like an mp3 download (now mp3s are an entirely different chapter I could ramble on about... why bother to produce my music well when it´s spoilt by poor audio conversion anyway?). The problem is the "McDonaldsisation" of music culture. People in general no longer value quality over instant availability. It´s like the difference between cooking a decent meal yourself which takes time and effort, or going to the next fastfood counter and buying some shit which isn´t even worth half the money that´s being asked for it. Obvious as it may seem, people still seem to be happy with inferior products and less nutritional value just because it´s easy to obtain. Download culture (now there´s a contradiction in itself) guarantees instant gratification and the instant availability of more material at apparently considerably lower prices (hey, after all most downloads are for free as they´re illegal most of the time, with no penny being paid to the artists whose work is currently being downloaded). It´s a great thing for major corporations as the stimulus they need to produce in order to make someone respond is considerably smaller than it used to be, needs can be established very quickly and satisfied even more quickly. The only consequence is to release albums in smaller editions and carve out the niche you´re in. Gone are the days when you were able to make a living from selling your music unless you very cleverly make your music available through your website and still get paid for it. The problem is that most people are stupid enough to believe that they really get something for free when they don´t have to pay for something immediately, or that they made a good deal on something if it doesn´t cost much. They don´t realize that they only get what they pay for. Junkfood is no real food, but hey, I get stuffed, so what? Downloaded albums are not the real thing, but hey, I got it for free so why bother? Like Archie Patterson of Eurock once said to me "world is changing, but not for the better", and right he is. We´re in the privileged (?) position of watching a civilization´s (?) decline, and only can marvel at how enthusiastically everybody chimes in. Carving out your niche is all you can do, and keep walking on. Hoping the best, expecting the worst, Stephen. ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: loop.pool To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: CD SALES DECLINING? > After reading the thread about how to increase CD sales for one's artistic > recordings > I wanted to share my experience about the whole phenomenon of making money > with CD sales. > > After gigging in 12 countries in the last 3 years and playing with > literally dozens of different and very diverse artists, > I have definitely seen a very strong trend away from CD sales in general by > independent artists. > > I don't have statistical proof, but I have informally queeried as many > artists as I can about this observation of mine. > I'm active in the world music field, the live looping movement, the dark > ambient field, the goth/industrial scene, > the abstract electronica scene and the jazz scene and everyone I've asked > has noticed the same trend: > > People seem not to be buying CDs in the numbers they used to even four or > five years ago............... > either at concerts, online or through websites. > > Whether it is the incredible proliferation of free mp3s that now abound > online or perhaps the incredible proliferation > of self produced CDs by artists (which comes with the attendant plethora of > half baked and unprofessional recordings > that come with inexpensive media) , it seems like selling CDs as a really > viable way of creating income may be a > thing of the past (without very heavy exposure afforded either by incessant > (and costly touring) or the backing of major > or major independent labels). > > I've even noticed a very strong tendency on this very list away from people > actually paying money for looper CDs from about four or five years ago. > > Because I have produced so many looping festivals I, myself , recieve a > constant source of brand new looping CDs. What I've noticed is a decided > rise in the sophistication and excellence of the CDs being produced by our > community, notably in the last year. > > This year we've seen really excellent recordings come out by Andy Butler, > Bernhard Wagner, Michael Bearpark, Sunao Inami, Per Boysen and many, many > others yet actual sales by the artists have been very, very minimal. > > I wonder why that is. > > Do you folks have other information that refutes what I've noticed? Like I > said, I don't have stats to back it up just I've heard a lot of musicians > talking about it. What's your experience? > > Why do you think that this list in general is not more supportive of the > artists who are releasing commercial CDs? > Is this even your experience? I'm really curious to hear what everyone > has to say. > > respectfully, > Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 14:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A3AC3BEE8; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43C03A8B.4090803@addcom.de> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> <43C03A8B.4090803@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:03:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:03:48 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> Thanks! I already own Bidule, but the question is "Can it create =20 >> graphic indicators for monitoring MIDI throughput"? >> (I'm not terrorizing the list, only hoping that someone out there =20= >> have already tried what I'm up to... an "experienced advice" =20 >> would save me a lot of time) > On 7 jan 2006, at 23.02, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Beside the possibility to ditch Live (instead of the Mac;-) I'm not ditching anything. I personally enjoy using both OS X and XP. =20= Both systems are also needed for what I do for a living so nothing =20 forces me to "switch" either way. > and using Max/MSP for everything, Yes, that's a tempting option. I understand you are very experienced =20 with Max/MSP, but doesn't it take an awful lot of time to learn the =20 beast? I've kept the max manual and tutorials on my powerbook for =20 about two years, but what's keeping me from starting the migration =20 process to Max is time. Projects and deadlines are coming up all the =20 time and there's not much time for "non productive" learning periods. =20= Besides, today I'm getting the impression that before I would have =20 learned to mock things up the way I want in Max the same, but faster, =20= tools would be available by Numerology and Apple or XP/M=F6bius+ Am I =20= totally off focus here? > you could also use MaxPlay. Just tell me what you need, I'd be able =20= > to program it in Max within half an hour... What is MaxPlay? I scanned Cycling75's web but couldn't find a clue. (OT:) A web search gave: - "MaXplay Toys for the Garden, The best for your child in outdoor =20 play". - "MaxPlay Classic Games Volume 1" Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 14:18:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C54D13BEE4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:17:56 -0500 Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Thread-Index: AcYUXlHjkFoV+4BREdqx0gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Per,=20 Learning MaxMSP is a wonderful thing, and I myself have gotten both addicted and taxed when doing it by myself. One can do it with the accompanying tutorials, and my humble estimation is that it wouldn't take someone like you very long to find the salient things you need. That said, if there is one program we have which allows all us 'non-programmers' to do almost anything routing wise that we need to do. That's the program. What stefan offered to do is write a small patch which would execute what you need and send it to you in MaxRuntime format which means it would run i= n a free version of the kernel of MaxMSP, which would actually be included in the patch he would write, if I'm not mistaken. Cycling 74 includes the ability to essentially compile a program which will run anywhere. It can't be edited from a programming perspective, but can include all the pull down menus necessary to change parameters of course. I have people write stuff in maxMSP all the time to solve issues I can't solve with live or any other program. Of course, people write big patches for compositions as well. One particular situation to share: a guy wrote me a piece in live which ha= d me using 3 entire banks of the 1010 to get through it, with each pedal extensively programmed. So, we eventually made a max patch which handled all of the internal changes and I used the 1010 to increment through step-changes and even the expression pedals then changed their meaning, and I continued to use my usual control change based settings on the pedal itself, without altering a thing. I hope this is a contribution. MaxMSP can run quietly in the background an= d do so many things to help. On 1/8/06 9:03 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Thanks! I already own Bidule, but the question is "Can it create >>> graphic indicators for monitoring MIDI throughput"? >>> (I'm not terrorizing the list, only hoping that someone out there >>> have already tried what I'm up to... an "experienced advice" >>> would save me a lot of time) >>=20 > On 7 jan 2006, at 23.02, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >=20 >> Beside the possibility to ditch Live (instead of the Mac;-) >=20 > I'm not ditching anything. I personally enjoy using both OS X and XP. > Both systems are also needed for what I do for a living so nothing > forces me to "switch" either way. >=20 >> and using Max/MSP for everything, >=20 > Yes, that's a tempting option. I understand you are very experienced > with Max/MSP, but doesn't it take an awful lot of time to learn the > beast? I've kept the max manual and tutorials on my powerbook for > about two years, but what's keeping me from starting the migration > process to Max is time. Projects and deadlines are coming up all the > time and there's not much time for "non productive" learning periods. > Besides, today I'm getting the impression that before I would have > learned to mock things up the way I want in Max the same, but faster, > tools would be available by Numerology and Apple or XP/M=F6bius+ Am I > totally off focus here? >=20 >=20 >> you could also use MaxPlay. Just tell me what you need, I'd be able >> to program it in Max within half an hour... >=20 > What is MaxPlay? I scanned Cycling75's web but couldn't find a clue. >=20 > (OT:) > A web search gave: > - "MaXplay Toys for the Garden, The best for your child in outdoor > play". > - "MaxPlay Classic Games Volume 1" >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 14:56:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E98E3BEE4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007d01c6145a$0da272c0$b4a2fe91@inap> References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <007d01c6145a$0da272c0$b4a2fe91@inap> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CF3E74A-5417-4FC2-BB53-69C94DC9FBC9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <01ow3.A.6kG.SgSwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Yes, CD sales are declining since mid nineties. Back then I was playing full time the traditional way, with record label agreements to put out CD's and give back a tiny cut of the earnings. Our CD's were distributed to most territories and the trend seemed globally synchronized: CD sales diving all over the globe from 1996. My guess, and I've been reading other commentators take on the same perspective, is that this is a both case of "cultural paradigm change" and a huge infra structure blow up, due to the internet. Some factors play an important part: (1) Segmentation of culture makes it impossible for The Guys That KNow How To Sell CD's (a.k.a. commercial record labels) to keep up inside knowledge about all new scenes that pop up. Symptomatically the AR folks got sacked first. Not only that there are hundreds of sub genres for the AR folks to keep up with, there are also hundreds of sub markets for the sales folks to work. So the marketing situation looks very bad for traditional music distribution according to cost effective large scale methods. (This may be good for indies though). (2) As an effect of the above, each consumer today has to split up the same pocket money over more products. Not only to buy CD's but also to buy computer/psp games and DVD movies. Gone are the optional Jack-Pot Sales (the Hit phenomenon). Statistically eight releases flopped before the ninth brought a hit that kind of took back the money lost on the other eight artist launches. That's history and now the margins are much smaller. Again, bad for business. And taking away the headroom for active quality control and effective marketing. (3) Too much crap got released. The record labels started this trend in the mid/late nineties and many amateur/indie artists do their best to keep it up. With the record labels a lot of good marketing knowledge went down the drain - like how to work hype, how to wait until the right moment for plugging stuff and not at least the importance of not releasing too much of ones work. But still, working with a commercial label, is the best "Quality Tag" (here I do count in labels as Warp or ECM as "commercial"). Many indie artist forget about that. The internet and the musical outlet explosion is totally lacking the kind of "Quality Assurance Filtering" that commercial record labels were so good at. So what indie artist should look for, as promotional tools, is in fact new ways to fill up that hole. Derek at CD Baby has a great tip on this when saying "Go where the barriers are". He has written a lot of good tip essays, to be found at the CD B site. Also - why should music be produced just for listening to? I mean, never before in history this phenomenon have ever existed! Music has always been used for a specific purpose. As for dancing, marching, social rituals etc. So an interesting tip to anyone that want to make music today is to look into new areas where music actually does make a difference. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 15:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45903BEE0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:25:17 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD In-reply-to: <010f01c6144d$c8644690$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011001c61467$babeeee0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:23:51 +0000 (UTC) This would be a great resource. In fact, with a tiny bit of promotion (press release, a little SEO), it could be a draw for and a service to many musicians. Maybe increase the exposure of looping to a broader community. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > > > > Why don't we collate all of the different ways to get online > > distribution > > as a resource for this community? > > Perhaps we could put up a page here at Loopers Delight that > let's people > > know how to use these resources > > and how to do so. > > I'll vote for that. Beyond CD Baby, The Orchard, and Amazon > Advantage, I > have been leery to try out others (except for Abstract Logix) > because I > think there is such a thing as diversifying too much with these other > services if they don't have much to offer. Mainly, more > awarness of these > other services would help me at least. > > What sort of info would we ask for collection purposes? Name, > website, short > description, cost/fees, method of getting music to the > services (CD, mp3, > etc) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 16:15:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561A63BEE0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Man4WuDQMarU1EGNgQKuugcFX/oGRliPi4RGPnpD7EuEvKkN6E8kUjulU7Q/oCxEFPRBFXjC4zfO09lsM2WTM21M3TLWMcvsz2+esU3xzgluegUoBOBh/ubdzl/aC4WaFJ0Y+WQZcCPbNbtl92DZYiGs3vwxUrfdGEtKeDxOW9k= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:15:28 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <006601c6144b$ebd25290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:15:35 +0000 (UTC) You may be thinking of the Clock Of The Long Now: http://www.longnow.org/ TravisH On 1/8/06, gareth.whitcock wrote: > He he - nice one Rick! > Isn't there a millenium piece of computer generated music designed to run > for a thousand years? > I think the current computer is in Greeenwich, London somewhere, maybe at > the royal observatory. I heard a bit of it on the radio - it actually sou= nds > good. > > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 16:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D2B3BEE8; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m5jpDLiY/RoOGnj66WeIwNB7fw0hvvxbOWQKUi/C6iLLMcPAP9lvqGsCfnC3Ck5VU+uRGsqcGc+PTmNo4PQmB+9aGHOmNRZwfDjklha5IT6yMvQ2r0/s5c6k9/1Frdw3qG5Ol73o2gBZ+aFAEPPSW8E30ZAPx4FjMi6LOOW0LRQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:22:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Soft Rack Cases? In-Reply-To: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:22:28 +0000 (UTC) The ones I've seen have a wood shell, with rack rails inside of the soft foam "bag". Mesa/Boogie also makes some: http://mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Accessories/Rack-Cases/Shockmount_Racks.= html#Soft My experience is that Mesa stuff is of the highest quality although it may be more expensive. TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I'm thinking of buying a three space soft rack mount case for my Alesis > Masterlink and a few half-rack effects. I found this one: > > http://www.finecases.com/browse/protec/protec-1022.html > > Anyone else know of another brand I should check out? I noticed this one > didn't have rack rails, so I'm assuming you just stack the units in there > and they fit snug between the foam? > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 16:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A2F3BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:41:20 +0100 Message-ID: <012a01c61472$5b5a7540$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007d01c6145a$0da272c0$b4a2fe91@inap> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYUY8WdAC4sGNcDR4GnEuwbjQuCGwADCQKg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) I'd say that it is obvious that net distribution of music data is the future. Music is basically immaterial. Who needs material data carriers that contain 1 hour of music when all music data can easily be downloaded, put into iPods, moved, deleted, copied? CD sales at concerts might be something that will stay for a while, but otherwise? Material carriers will stay for a while but they will eventually disappear. Fripp / King Crimson have started to sell their stuff online on their dgmlive.com website - only the live recordings, for the beginning, but this points to where everything will move to. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 16:44:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790803BEF1; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ut1mngKReCdN9nQRzYs3kQNENXBOlSWdYrc4w4WHL6mKgrDfM8XOwpwIHVwypUTqc8LLuhKfCUL1eExOdBQVDA6QYkU6aGO/5Xgw6kkf265OUd+TV7Zb2ryUhTAtn6T6seHG/Y7WCABF6a+7KXfYqqf+vJloCl4c+457ooZG6qY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:44:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:44:29 +0000 (UTC) I think it's difficult to get good information in this area. My personal anecdotal experience is that my sales are steady or up over the last seven years, but I exist in realm where I sell between two or three hundred copies of a self-produced title over the course of a couple of years. All of my sales are handled directly at shows. I also price my stuff at $5 (these are CD-R's with a hand printed and assembled cover, so my unit cost is around a dollar), which seems to stimulate the impluse buy from people who like what they've heard in the last ten minutes. When I'm on a multi-artist bill where the other guy's CD is $10 (which seems more common), it seems that people are more reluctant to fork out a ten-spot, perhaps because at that point they start comparing it to "real professional" titles. A few years ago on this list there was a heated discussion on CD pricing. I was in the cheap camp, the opposing view was that you should price your product at a comparable price to professional, major label CD's ($15 at the time) since that would indicate that you were on that level and to do otherwise was to sell yourself short. This was before the first big wave of Napster use, which may have readjusted consumer expectations regarding what music is "worth", in the same way that recorded music itself proved to be something of a death knell for the restaurant/cafe/bar five-set-a-night musician.=20 Just providing music in a public setting was no longer enough to get paid for, and now that recorded music can be had for almost nothing, it's value in the market place has declined. If there's been a decline in support on this list for looper's CD's (certainly a difficult-to-measure metric), then I'd guess it's for the same reason as anywhere--people aren't hearing something that makes them say "I must own a copy of that so I can hear it again and again". TravisH On 1/8/06, loop.pool wrote: > > Do you folks have other information that refutes what I've noticed? Lik= e I > said, I don't have stats to back it up just I've heard a lot of musicia= ns > talking about it. What's your experience? > > Why do you think that this list in general is not more supportive of the > artists who are releasing commercial CDs? > Is this even your experience? I'm really curious to hear what everyon= e > has to say. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 16:54:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A1D3BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:55:01 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8HRGM.A.mxF.dPUwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:54:54 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] wrote: If there's been a decline in support on this list for looper's CD's (certainly a difficult-to-measure metric), then I'd guess it's for the same reason as anywhere--people aren't hearing something that makes them say "I must own a copy of that so I can hear it again and again". Kind of ironic for looping music no? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:13:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50ACB3BEEC; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:13:34 EST Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1136740414" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:13:43 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1136740414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Rick, There is no doubt a shift going on resulting in declining CD sales. Here are some factors I have considered. Speaking for myself, I do not buy CDs like I used to for a number of reasons. Being older, a father (of a teenager now)divorced and on a fixed income, I do not have the financial resources to explore and buy CDs. Those that I choose to buy must be of a proven commodity. I'm just not willing to shell out for what may be interesting, in some case marginal, may be really good, may be really great or may be really bad. I get a lot of references for good CDs to buy from friends that are still single and still have more disposable income. I do try and buy CDs to support artists I like and not accept burned copies from friends. However burning copies of CDs is certainly one factor now that the technology is affordable in mass. Also, there are not that many outlets that have a large markdown area of used CDs. It is not like the old days where one could get vinyl for .99 cents to $3 and one would discover the wonderful disgards from someone else's collection (artists that one could then go on to support through actual CD sales) or even potential source material for looping. I'd say this is mostly due to the mass retailing of music via the corporations. There is no room for the littles stores and little folks anymore. As an artist and musician, I also rarely listen to that much outside music, even if it is music by friends. Projects take up my time and when mastering, I usually am involved in what I'm working on, not outside music. For me it is a case of being focused on my work and not able to focus on works by others. I do realize this is a bit elitist on my part and not very supportive of the community. As independent artists, we need to be able to reach outside our community for sustained sales growth. These are factors to be considered. The biggest factor is the Internet with free file sharing etc. It is creating a paradigm shift. Consider that the music industry as a business model has worked on the 80/20 principle common in retail. Eighty percent of your sales comes from just twenty percent of your products. There are studies that show the music industry works closer to a 90/10 model. This means that the major labels are accepting that ninety percent of what they put out will not make money or drive sales. They are focused on that ten percent of "big hits" to drive sales and profits that can then help them find via AR find the next big thing. They know they are not going to make money on ninety percent of what they put out. I'd say that while some good independent labels may be closer to a 70/30 model, it still comes down to retail sales to drive growth and profits that can be put back into more product. Then comes the Internet and free file sharing that undercuts the sales, growth and profits. Margins even for independents become even thinner thus even with independents, narrowing their visions to those artists they know they can sale. What happens then is that more and more niche market music gets driven underground to the Internet where artists have to be able to offer free downloads just to get people to hear or view their work. Truly a downward spiral is taking place. As an artist, I support any technology that will allow artists from the most extreme fringe to the most commercial to protect their work from being able to be shared for free. Our art is what we have, who we are and deserves copyright protection. As someone on the fringe, I realize that I will have to offer my music for free if I am going to have any chance of getting people to listen to my work. Such technology will come in time and the hackers will work to find a way around it. So what are we as artists to do? We must embrace the paradigm shift. With downloadable music, now the business model shifts to better help niche or fringe music. Studies have shown that with the Internet, a reasonable business model is 10/90. Just ten percent of your sales and profit can come from across ninety percent of your product as an artist or company. This could generate a lot of revenue if one has a lot of product out there available. This means it can pay and profit to explore and offer niche or fringe artists for labels even if they are only popular in certain areas. Cost to distribute a song via the Internet for download for pay is under twenty cents per. One could offer fringe or other extreme music for under forty cents and even if that song sold just 2,000 downloads in Moscow, Idaho because there was some hotbed of activity for a band or artist there, an artist or label would profit from having that artist or band available for download. Please, no one take offense to the referenced use of Moscow, Idaho. For labels, they could offer their music in a tiered structure depending on popularity. As independent artists, we must seize on this paradigm shift now before the major labels do. I believe the major labels are so entrenched in their old business model that they are way behind the curve of this trend. This means the opportunity for independents is open and the field is wide open. ITunes is not even realizing the potential for profit from offering the fringe. Kenny -------------------------------1136740414 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Rick,
 
There is no doubt a shift going on resulting in declining CD sales.&nbs= p;=20 Here are some factors I have considered. 
 
Speaking for myself, I do not buy CDs like I used to for a number of=20 reasons.  Being older, a father (of a teenager now)divorced and on a fi= xed=20 income, I do not have the financial resources to explore and buy CDs. =20
 
Those that I choose to buy must be of a proven commodity.  I'm jus= t=20 not willing to shell out for what may be interesting, in some case marginal,= may=20 be really good, may be really great or may be really bad.  I get a lot=20= of=20 references for good CDs to buy from friends that are still single and still=20= have=20 more disposable income.  I do try and buy CDs to support artists I like= and=20 not accept burned copies from friends.  However burning copies of CDs i= s=20 certainly one factor now that the technology is affordable in mass. 
 
Also, there are not that many outlets that have a large markdown area o= f=20 used CDs.  It is not like the old days where one could get vinyl for .9= 9=20 cents to $3 and one would discover the wonderful disgards from someone else'= s=20 collection (artists that one could then go on to support through actual CD=20 sales) or even potential source material for looping.  I'd say thi= s is=20 mostly due to the mass retailing of music via the corporations.  There=20= is=20 no room for the littles stores and little folks anymore.
 
As an artist and musician, I also rarely listen to that much outside mu= sic,=20 even if it is music by friends.  Projects take up my time and when=20 mastering, I usually am involved in what I'm working on, not outside=20 music.  For me it is a case of being focused on my work and not able to= =20 focus on works by others.  I do realize this is a bit elitist on my par= t=20 and not very supportive of the community.  As independent artists, we n= eed=20 to be able to reach outside our community for sustained sales growth. =20
 
These are factors to be considered.
 
The biggest factor is the Internet with free file sharing etc.&nbs= p;=20 It is creating a paradigm shift.
 
Consider that the music industry as a business model has worked on the=20 80/20 principle common in retail.  Eighty percent of your sales comes f= rom=20 just twenty percent of your products.  There are studies that show the=20 music industry works closer to a 90/10 model.  This means that the majo= r=20 labels are accepting that ninety percent of what they put out will not make=20 money or drive sales.  They are focused on that ten percent of "big hit= s"=20 to drive sales and profits that can then help them find via AR find the next= big=20 thing.  They know they are not going to make money on ninety percent of= =20 what they put out.  I'd say that while some good independent labels may= be=20 closer to a 70/30 model, it still comes down to retail sales to drive growth= and=20 profits that can be put back into more product.  Then comes the Interne= t=20 and free file sharing that undercuts the sales, growth and profits. =20 Margins even for independents become even thinner thus even with independent= s,=20 narrowing their visions to those artists they know they can sale.  What= =20 happens then is that more and more niche market music gets driven undergroun= d to=20 the Internet where artists have to be able to offer free downloads just to g= et=20 people to hear or view their work.  Truly a downward spiral is taking=20 place.
 
As an artist, I support any technology that will allow artists from the= =20 most extreme fringe to the most commercial to protect their work from being=20= able=20 to be shared for free.  Our art is what we have, who we are and deserve= s=20 copyright protection.  As someone on the fringe, I realize that I will=20= have=20 to offer my music for free if I am going to have any chance of getting peopl= e to=20 listen to my work.  Such technology will come in time and the hackers w= ill=20 work to find a way around it. 
 
So what are we as artists to do?  We must embrace the paradigm=20 shift.  With downloadable music, now the business model shifts to bette= r=20 help niche or fringe music.  Studies have shown that with the Internet,= a=20 reasonable business model is 10/90.  Just ten percent of your sales and= =20 profit can come from across ninety percent of your product as an artist or=20 company.  This could generate a lot of revenue if one has a lot of prod= uct=20 out there available.  This means it can pay and profit to explore and o= ffer=20 niche or fringe artists for labels even if they are only popular in certain=20 areas.  Cost to distribute a song via the Internet for download for pay= is=20 under twenty cents per.  One could offer fringe or other extreme music=20= for=20 under forty cents and even if that song sold just 2,000 downloads in Moscow,= =20 Idaho because there was some hotbed of activity for a band or artist there,=20= an=20 artist or label would profit from having that artist or band available for=20 download. Please, no one take offense to the referenced use of Moscow,=20 Idaho.  For labels, they could offer their music in a tiered struc= ture=20 depending on popularity.  As independent artists, we must seize on this= =20 paradigm shift now before the major labels do.  I believe the major lab= els=20 are so entrenched in their old business model that they are way behind the c= urve=20 of this trend.  This means the opportunity for independents is open and= the=20 field is wide open.  ITunes is not even realizing the potential for pro= fit=20 from offering the fringe.
 
Kenny 
 -------------------------------1136740414-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47DF33BEF0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wo0T9LQmZ7+evEnm5NPZWcxg6BSSfsQY100tecxkdPyMmFIJvaMngeJoM3qAlpmDJe2Kk0g6HxnVaj65jEOoX/gWNNbXpoV77b6/Lt5IyMsP282kdJe3R1hFE+IcpBb/CapLcmFdmlr+Cq2N02yvzFn6/9XXF+8jUVnMM+Afg7Q= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:20:40 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:20:48 +0000 (UTC) But for Apple, the iTunes Music Store isn't designed to make money, but to drive sales of iPods, which are very profitable item. Selling digital files online has a lot of overhead. Independent artists may make money off of their stuff via ITMS, but it's because Apple is subsidizing the entire venture. > This means the opportunity for independents is open > and the field is wide open. ITunes is not even realizing the potential f= or > profit from offering the fringe. > > Kenny From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:34:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63D0F3BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016301c61479$bb13c070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:34:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0160_01C6143F.0DCB24B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 99, in=58227, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:34:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C6143F.0DCB24B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure about anyone else, but most of my potential = buyers/listeners here locally fall into three categories, which sheds = light very clearly and pragmatically on the CD sales issue here and for = me and them: 1) They play music for a living and can't afford to buy = CDs, 2) they have families and can't afford or justify spending money on = CDs, and 3) they like my music and enjoy watching me perform, but = avant-garde music is not on the top of their list of the type of music = they typically buy. These are real issues for these people. 1) doesn't apply to me, but I = can empathize with 2) and 3). Since I had children, a lot of other costs = have popped up that I would have traditionally dumped into more luxury = items, costs such as a collage fund for the kids (which will be in the = thousands by the time they are of age), additional insurance and medical = costs, children's books and educational materials, etc, etc...the list = goes on and on when you put your kids first. And there are many types of = music that I like, but not enough that I'll buy or can justify buying a = CD. It all makes sense, which puts me into category 3) as well. This is = not a complicated explanation. I do what I can. Sure, I can afford to buy as many CDs as I like, but I = would have to justify this given other priories that I have. Everything = as trade-offs. I have quite a few CDs from folks on this list, from = Rick W., Bernhard W., Andy B., Scott D., Michael P., David K., and so = on. I bought some, but most of them were trades or give-aways. There = are still many CDs from those on this list that I want to buy, and those = are amongst a wishlist that I have of about 20 other CDs and DVDs. So = for me, it's not about whether I want to support my fellow loopers. It's = about trade-offs and return on investment. I typically listen to a CD = once or twice, and that's it. It become reference. Now I'm seriously considering setting up a PayPal method for people to = buy my CDs in MP3 format, even though CD Baby does this for me via other = services. I have not problem selling one of my CDs in MP3 format for $5. = If that makes a difference in whether someone can buy or enjoy my music, = it's a fair tradeoff for me. And if that wasn't possible, I'd still = give-away my MP3s, which I do for 4 out of 5 of my CDs now, if not doing = so meant that someone couldn't enjoy my music. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C6143F.0DCB24B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure about anyone else, but most of my potential = buyers/listeners=20 here locally fall into three categories, which sheds light very clearly = and=20 pragmatically on the CD sales issue here and for me and them: = 1) They=20 play music for a living and can't afford to buy CDs, 2) they have = families and=20 can't afford or justify spending money on CDs, and 3) they like my music = and=20 enjoy watching me perform, but avant-garde music is not on the top of = their list=20 of the type of music they typically buy.
 
These are real issues for these people. 1) doesn't apply to me, but = I can=20 empathize with 2) and 3). Since I had children, a lot of other costs = have popped=20 up that I would have traditionally dumped into more luxury items, costs = such as=20 a collage fund for the kids (which will be in the thousands by the time = they are=20 of age), additional insurance and medical costs, children's books and=20 educational materials, etc, etc...the list goes on and on when you put = your kids=20 first. And there are many types of music that I like, but not enough = that I'll=20 buy or can justify buying a CD. It all makes sense, which puts me into = category=20 3) as well. This is  not a complicated explanation.
 
I do what I can. Sure, I can afford to buy as many CDs as I like, = but I=20 would have to justify this given other priories that I have. Everything = as=20 trade-offs.  I have quite a few CDs from folks on this list, from = Rick W.,=20 Bernhard W., Andy B., Scott D., Michael P., David K., and so on. I = bought some,=20 but most of them were trades or give-aways.  There are still many = CDs from=20 those on this list that I want to buy, and those are amongst a wishlist = that I=20 have of about 20 other CDs and DVDs.  So for me, it's not about = whether I=20 want to support my fellow loopers. It's about trade-offs and return on=20 investment. I typically listen to a CD once or twice, and that's it. It = become=20 reference.
 
Now I'm seriously considering setting up a PayPal method for people = to buy=20 my CDs in MP3 format, even though CD Baby does this for me via other = services. I=20 have not problem selling one of my CDs in MP3 format for $5. If that = makes a=20 difference in whether someone can buy or enjoy my music, it's a fair = tradeoff=20 for me. And if that wasn't possible, I'd still give-away my MP3s, which = I do for=20 4 out of 5 of my CDs now, if not doing so meant that someone couldn't = enjoy my=20 music.
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0160_01C6143F.0DCB24B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:42:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E37963BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016e01c6147a$f404f8d0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Soft Rack Cases? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:42:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=191862, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Yep, those Boogies go for about $149 for the three space...quite a bit more. I'll vouch for their quality, because I've owned both 20 space and a 6 space shockmount Boogie racks. They are outstanding, but probably overkill for what I want here. I just want a basic lightweight rack for local gigs, just to carry my recording system around over my shoulder. I may just go with the Protec, unless someone else knows of another cost effective option. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Soft Rack Cases? The ones I've seen have a wood shell, with rack rails inside of the soft foam "bag". Mesa/Boogie also makes some: http://mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Accessories/Rack-Cases/Shockmount_Racks.html#Soft My experience is that Mesa stuff is of the highest quality although it may be more expensive. TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I'm thinking of buying a three space soft rack mount case for my Alesis > Masterlink and a few half-rack effects. I found this one: > > http://www.finecases.com/browse/protec/protec-1022.html > > Anyone else know of another brand I should check out? I noticed this one > didn't have rack rails, so I'm assuming you just stack the units in there > and they fit snug between the foam? > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:43:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB86C3BEF8; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:43:35 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c6147b$12613050$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcYUduD8blVTrB8nRuSVX2xGsN4//QAA9U3A X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:43:54 +0000 (UTC) > So what are we as artists to do? We must embrace the paradigm shift. With downloadable music, now the business model shifts to better help > niche or fringe music. Studies have shown that with the Internet, a reasonable business model is 10/90. Just ten percent of your sales and Mhmm, a 10/90 business model means (referring to the rest of your text) that 10 percent of the income is generated by 90 percent of the artists. So how does this differ from a 90/10 business model, where 90% of the income is generated by 10% of the artists - doesn't that mean that the remaining 10% are generated by the remaining 90%, just as in your resonable Internet business model? Confused, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 17:52:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE24E3BEF9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.19b2f52c.30f2ab55@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:52:21 EST Subject: Re: AW: CD SALES DECLINING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1136742741" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:52:26 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1136742741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The way I see it is that in a 90/10 business model, ninety percent is ignored as throwaway and ten percent is focused on. In a 10/90 business model, ten percent may be ignored while ninety percent is embraced and focused on because it can generate revenue and profit. More artists get focused on even if in specific market areas because they can generate sales and profit. For us as independent artist, it means the more we have available, the more likely we can generate sales and thus profits. -------------------------------1136742741 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The way I see it is that in a 90/10 business model, ninety percent is=20 ignored as throwaway and ten percent is focused on.  In a 10/90 busines= s=20 model, ten percent may be ignored while ninety percent is embraced and focus= ed=20 on because it can generate revenue and profit.  More artists get focuse= d on=20 even if in specific market areas because they can generate sales and=20 profit.  For us as independent artist, it means the more we have availa= ble,=20 the more likely we can generate sales and thus=20 profits.
 -------------------------------1136742741-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 18:19:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016053BEEE; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jKBJtcsvfq5qSHimK6gKmNgMMpQ1hyjOrdjkINbbeecFL/W9tGuChH/ENabPb9Y8n6TzqzeF5gbrbu/2vHp/sT9kppMOlHndA34XThi1ScMe3W6YQS5cudApehLzRqzhqSVQqXfxjpZFzMWm4KfhPVF0Nk1kRwBZZs3TQR/9jEg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:19:00 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <016301c61479$bb13c070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> <016301c61479$bb13c070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC) I think it depends on what you define as your "pool of potential buyers are who aren't doing so". Personally, the only way someone's going to know that I have a CD to buy is if they see me playing somewhere, and all my performance venues cater to people with disposable income--coffee shops, restaurants, art galleries, wine bars. They've already come in to the place to spend money on something they don't need, they're just maybe choosing to spend it on something other than my music. The last time I played somewhere that I thought "NO ONE here has money to buy a CD" was a soup kitchen in a church basement. It's extraordinarily rare that I encounter someone in the US who has zero disposable income--they're just choosing to spend it on cigarettes, alcohol, food prepared by someone else for them, three space soft rack cases, a college fund for their children, etc. These are descretionary spending choices which I won't argue with except to point out that they are choices one has made and not immutable conditions of survival. TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I'm not sure about anyone else, but most of my potential buyers/listeners > here locally fall into three categories, which sheds light very clearly a= nd > pragmatically on the CD sales issue here and for me and them: 1) They pla= y > music for a living and can't afford to buy CDs, 2) they have families and > can't afford or justify spending money on CDs, and 3) they like my music = and > enjoy watching me perform, but avant-garde music is not on the top of the= ir > list of the type of music they typically buy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 18:41:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE793BEF0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <016e01c6147a$f404f8d0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <016e01c6147a$f404f8d0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <686CFB2D-6CA7-4F3A-A35A-B1CC38192EC1@sonosphere.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Soft Rack Cases? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:41:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:41:58 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:42, Kris Hartung wrote: > Yep, those Boogies go for about $149 for the three space...quite a > bit more. I'll vouch for their quality, because I've owned both 20 > space and a 6 space shockmount Boogie racks. They are outstanding, > but probably overkill for what I want here. I just want a basic > lightweight rack for local gigs, just to carry my recording system > around over my shoulder. I may just go with the Protec, unless > someone else knows of another cost effective option. I got this: http://sweetwater.com/store/detail/GRB3/ (Gator) $60 for 3-space and it does have rails. Caveats: - The outer covering is such that the rear does not completely open, which can make it a bit annoying to deal with cabling (or worse, impossible if a unit is almost as deep as the rack). - The front panel zips open and does completely expose the front panels of your gear, but does not detach so it may get in the way... I thought I was going to leave my audio interface in it all the time and be able to tote it around, but in the home studio, those two factors combine to make the soft rack a hassle. I might replace it with a lightweight SKB. Doug -- Doug Wyatt http://www.dougwyatt.net/ <-- music http://www.sonosphere.com/Doug/ <-- etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 19:08:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743C43BEEE; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018f01c61486$e8b3f9c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> <016301c61479$bb13c070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:08:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 99, in=58262, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:08:33 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > I think it depends on what you define as your "pool of potential buyers are who aren't doing so". Personally, the only way someone's going to know that I have a CD to buy is if they see me playing somewhere, and all my performance venues cater to people with disposable income--coffee shops, restaurants, art galleries, wine bars. They've already come in to the place to spend money on something they don't need, they're just maybe choosing to spend it on something other than my music. True enough. Even so, I CAN buy more CDs, but I choose not to, because of other competing "wants" in the luxory category (if we're just talking about a few CDs a month), or competing needs like stuff for the kids (if we're talking about buying hundreds of dollars of month CDs). Unlike you, however, most of the people who express interest in my music find me via my website (because I have it on literally hundreds of artist feature websites out there), and I only play 1-2 times a month. Although I wouldn't agree that all coffeshops cater to people with disposable income. I meet a lot of starving artists and students at coffeeshops who are NOT buying $4 lattes and mochas, but the $1.50 plain cup of joe. They can't afford CDs, but love to sit and listen to the music, read the free paper neareby, etc. Maybe you have a lot of yuppies in Seattle who hang out in coffeeshops and are blowing lots of cash on CDs, $300 express makers, etc...not here. Have you seen your mean income in Seatte lately? I've frequented Seattle coffeshops many times. I see a lot of people who dress and drive wealthy. You won't see that here in Boise very often, at least in a coffeeshop. Hence, I think your point on coffeeshops is relative. I think you point is more valid in regard to nice restaurants, wine bars, and galleries, however. > These are descretionary spending choices which I won't argue with except > to point out that they are choices one has made and not immutable conditions of survival. Absolutely, especially if we're talking just a few CDs a month....more than that, than things change. Kris TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I'm not sure about anyone else, but most of my potential buyers/listeners > here locally fall into three categories, which sheds light very clearly > and > pragmatically on the CD sales issue here and for me and them: 1) They play > music for a living and can't afford to buy CDs, 2) they have families and > can't afford or justify spending money on CDs, and 3) they like my music > and > enjoy watching me perform, but avant-garde music is not on the top of > their > list of the type of music they typically buy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 19:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BFC23BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <011601c6144e$151218f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:10:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Soft Rack Cases? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:10:54 +0000 (UTC) At 5:21 AM -0700 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >I'm thinking of buying a three space soft rack mount case for my >Alesis Masterlink and a few half-rack effects. I found this one: > >http://www.finecases.com/browse/protec/protec-1022.html > >Anyone else know of another brand I should check out? I noticed this >one didn't have rack rails, so I'm assuming you just stack the units >in there and they fit snug between the foam? I went through this same thing about a year ago. If I remember correctly, Protec was a house brand for one of the big mail order companies (either Sweetwater or Zzounds, I think). I'm not seeing it now, so no telling why that changed. Regardless, you can get the same rack bag for almost $15 cheaper over at Music123 ( http://www.music123.com/Protec-Rack-Case-i31963.music ). Personally, I *really* like the wheeled Rockbag by Warwick ( http://www.music123.com/RockBag-RackBag-with-Wheels-i72299.music ). My biggest complaint with that one, however, is that they are full depth with a very sturdy wooden frame. So, I've this annoying habit of installing a set of rear rack rails myself and mounting things from both front and rear -- thus turning a 4-space into an 8-space, a 6-space into a 12, etc., etc.... ;) But on the other hand, about six months ago I found myself wanting a cheap & light little 4-space bag. I walked into the local Guitar Slut (erm, Guitar Center, I mean) and grabbed a generic rack bag from them; it *might* be an Odyssey, I think. Only cost about $60, with a plastic internal frame (keeps me from operating on it) and rack rails in front. If you haven't already, I'd take a quick trip down to check out what they've got at the local GC. You might find just what you're looking for there. --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 19:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25203BEE7; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated-Name: TuleRiver X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com From: "CM" To: Subject: RE: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:50:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <004201c6144a$204c13f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYUSiD5zKHzE95BRmSAxodbp6m+4gAQhuzQ Message-Id: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Just a little "vote" to say YES to this idea! I'm looking to put out a CD sometime soon, and would find this information very valuable. Love this group... Cass -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:53 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Kris wrote: > I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from > eBuzz, wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use > data from Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than > CD Baby and Amazon Advantage. As long as any of these sites are not forcing exclusivity on sales.......................the more the merrier. Why don't we collate all of the different ways to get online distribution as a resource for this community? Perhaps we could put up a page here at Loopers Delight that let's people know how to use these resources and how to do so. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:08:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E1663BEE2; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IosfdK51KqPfdbkceYs5/nzXtQY1zmkMEYMYRTf9PfYwMdmuLF0JfKICSl6Ut59oEw4n1a6m3CLUlEr6cIf3Y/vA21kknR+pSeeyMdynykelPUGfUBIthsVsyNHOY6cJTsOugh/QAS5tH2mGLbEc8TQD05nmDK+5RcCTSlbO2xU= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:08:53 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <018f01c61486$e8b3f9c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> <016301c61479$bb13c070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <018f01c61486$e8b3f9c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0m972D.A.hSE.YFXwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:08:56 +0000 (UTC) The coffeeshops cater to people with disposable income, because coffee is a non-necessity, and paying someone else to make food or drink for you is a luxury. The free-riders are an unintended and largely undesired side-effect of having an open door and being unwilling to boot people who aren't buying enough. A coffee store that has live music isn't catering to the proletariat.=20 I find that coffee-serving establishments with live music seem to be the same in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Bellingham, Portland, Coeur d'Alene, Woodinville, Carlisle, St. Andrews, Dundee, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Vancouver, etc. If someone's got $1.50 for a cup of coffee, they've got $5 for a CD of something they really like.=20 I'm not playing in greasy spoons for the indigent. TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > Although I wouldn't agree that all coffeshops cater to people with > disposable income. I meet a lot of starving artists and students at > coffeeshops who are NOT buying $4 lattes and mochas, but the $1.50 > plain cup of joe. They can't afford CDs, but love to sit and listen to > the music, read the free paper neareby, etc. Maybe you have a lot > of yuppies in Seattle who hang out in coffeeshops and are blowing > lots of cash on CDs, $300 express makers, etc...not here. Have you > seen your mean income in Seatte lately? I've frequented Seattle coffesho= ps > many times. I see a lot of people who dress and drive wealthy. You won't > see that here in Boise very often, at least in a coffeeshop. Hence, I thi= nk > your point on coffeeshops is relative. I think you point is more valid in > regard to nice restaurants, wine bars, and galleries, however. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BC963BEE7; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a801c61490$b83b54a0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <22c.46a0cde.30f2a23e@aol.com> <016301c61479$bb13c070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <018f01c61486$e8b3f9c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:18:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 436, in=196573, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:18:45 +0000 (UTC) we'll have to agree to disagree. There are plenty of people who go to coffeeshops who can't afford buy every CD of each artist they see there....maybe not even one CD. Shit, I hear people say this ALL of the time..."Gee, I wish I could buy your CD, but I'm just strapped for cash." Just because they buy a cup of coffee for $1.50, doesn't mean they can afford to buy a CD. Their budget may be completely set and allowing for a few cups of coffee a week, but not CD. I'll I'm trying to get you to admit is that there are people who frequent coffee shops who can't afford CDs, that's all. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? The coffeeshops cater to people with disposable income, because coffee is a non-necessity, and paying someone else to make food or drink for you is a luxury. The free-riders are an unintended and largely undesired side-effect of having an open door and being unwilling to boot people who aren't buying enough. A coffee store that has live music isn't catering to the proletariat. I find that coffee-serving establishments with live music seem to be the same in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Bellingham, Portland, Coeur d'Alene, Woodinville, Carlisle, St. Andrews, Dundee, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Vancouver, etc. If someone's got $1.50 for a cup of coffee, they've got $5 for a CD of something they really like. I'm not playing in greasy spoons for the indigent. TravisH On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > Although I wouldn't agree that all coffeshops cater to people with > disposable income. I meet a lot of starving artists and students at > coffeeshops who are NOT buying $4 lattes and mochas, but the $1.50 > plain cup of joe. They can't afford CDs, but love to sit and listen to > the music, read the free paper neareby, etc. Maybe you have a lot > of yuppies in Seattle who hang out in coffeeshops and are blowing > lots of cash on CDs, $300 express makers, etc...not here. Have you > seen your mean income in Seatte lately? I've frequented Seattle > coffeshops > many times. I see a lot of people who dress and drive wealthy. You won't > see that here in Boise very often, at least in a coffeeshop. Hence, I > think > your point on coffeeshops is relative. I think you point is more valid in > regard to nice restaurants, wine bars, and galleries, however. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:25:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317113BEDD; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.67.187.117] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <006601c6144b$ebd25290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Nah ,that isn't it. Maybe the computer crashed :) gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" You may be thinking of the Clock Of The Long Now: http://www.longnow.org/ TravisH On 1/8/06, gareth.whitcock wrote: > He he - nice one Rick! > Isn't there a millenium piece of computer generated music designed to run > for a thousand years? > I think the current computer is in Greeenwich, London somewhere, maybe at > the royal observatory. I heard a bit of it on the radio - it actually > sounds > good. > > > Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 20:33:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F08A3BEF9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:33:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 436, in=196580, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Here's a start: CD Baby Website: http://www.cdbaby.net/ Setup Fees: $35 (extra $20 for digital distribution) % or $$ Take of CD Sale: $4 Digital download service distribution? Yes Digital sales on site? No Amazon Advantage Someone started for us already: http://www.rapcointelpro.com/On-Line%20Distributors.htm Oviously not the whole picture, however. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "CM" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD > Just a little "vote" to say YES to this idea! I'm looking to put out a CD > sometime soon, and would find this information very valuable. > > Love this group... > > > Cass > > > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:53 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD > > > > Kris wrote: > >> I'm sold on CD Baby too, but the other day I just got an email from >> eBuzz, wanting me to sell my CD Xperimentus on their site. They use >> data from Electronic Musician to show that they have better sales than >> CD Baby and Amazon Advantage. > > > As long as any of these sites are not forcing exclusivity on > sales.......................the more the merrier. > > Why don't we collate all of the different ways to get online distribution > as > a resource for this community? > Perhaps we could put up a page here at Loopers Delight that let's people > know how to use these resources and how to do so. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 21:56:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59E43BEE1; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060107184324.41001.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060107184324.41001.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:56:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2006, at 12:43 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > you the full story? I'm rooting for Electrix but not > counting on them. mark, you're being far too generous. Electrix II: Electrix Boogaloo does not actually exist. it was all a big joke designed to piss this list off. there was never any intention to ship. this was merely one wealthy lunatic's idea of a joke. if you don't believe me, go find the guy. he will verify this. the proposed feature set for Repeater Boogaloo was obviously impossible and designed only to make us think something nice was going to happen. manufacturers need to keep their trap shut until they can demonstrate an ability to deliver. behaviour like this is disappointing. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:17:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84EBF3BEEE; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:16:12 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-reply-to: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:17:43 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > After reading the thread about how to increase CD sales for one's > artistic recordings > I wanted to share my experience about the whole phenomenon of making > money with CD sales. > After gigging in 12 countries in the last 3 years and playing with > literally dozens of different and very diverse artists, > I have definitely seen a very strong trend away from CD sales in > general by independent artists. > ... > I'm really curious to hear what everyone has to say. All this talk on the list about "Putting Out a CD" and "Decreasing Sales" makes me think of my situation. Last night, I was at a party where a friend told me that he saw my entire new album for free download at some Sweedish site. WE HAVEN'T EVEN RELEASED THE DAMN THING, YET!!!! I'm a NOBODY. My band is UNKNOWN; not Genesis reformed or the Beatles reincarnated. Holy moly. In the little niche of Progressive Rock, we're not even Spock's Frelling/Fracking Beard!!! Who the hell would want OUR music? Ignore the cost of instruments, computers, software, interfaces, cables, amplifiers, speakers, years of learning how to play, write, and arrange music, gas costs and vehicle maintenance to get to sessions. We paid $BIG to have this mastered at the studio owned and run by Jeff Glixman (Producer of Kansas, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.). We paid $BIG for the cover art from someone with some cache to his name. We will pay $MODERATE to the guy who is doing the layout. Will will be paying something on the order of $1500 to have 1000 CDs pressed LATER THIS MONTH!!!! Total cost of this CD is well over $3000. Small budget as far as pro CDs go. Chump change to some. Skipping breakfast, eating peanut butter for lunch, and eating spaghetti for dinner until December, 2007 for me. 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can already get for free? 2) I might be flattered that SOMEONE wants my music to be exposed to the world. But at what cost to me and my band? Can we afford to even FINISH this CD? Can we afford to ever make another one ever again? 3) I feel betrayed that some trusted friend let our music out to the world to allow this to happen. All trust worthy friends will now be punished by not getting so much as advanced CDRs of tunes in progress, all because of one bad apple. 4) What is my hard work and dedication worth? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:29:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A63D03BEF4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060107184324.41001.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <580C9C89-1EEE-4986-9BC6-0442BFA1F30C@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:26:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:29:09 +0000 (UTC) O > there was never any intention to ship. this was merely one wealthy > lunatic's idea of a joke. if you don't believe me, go find the guy. > he will verify this. Interesting. I wonder if he'll find it as amusing if he's prosecuted for fraud? I have a deposit down on a new Repeater and Filter Factory, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 22:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B493BEF0; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20060107184324.41001.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > Electrix II: Electrix Boogaloo does not actually exist. it was all a big joke > designed to piss this list off. > > there was never any intention to ship. this was merely one wealthy lunatic's > idea of a joke. if you don't believe me, go find the guy. he will verify > this. Who is this wealthy lunatic? What's his name and contact information? When did he admit this joke status to you, or somewhere else? Personally, I doubt the Repeater Mk II will ever ship. But I thought your claim is light on facts or details. Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:17:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 315203BEEE; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6MgtWmxM2YxeoZi2Q266YyIixnVZ4i6XoNNwU8LZYjW/VLXndt8FR8i5qNPn63/4aWBQFGLnL0/sC0NlSu5Fo/BhhK3o1m14BeFoJXKg7VNEidbtkiW9YzHrN247vGv1Pnc6Q3WwF/vZD0D2wEuNKIsPexuP54HTaQ3K7bggB1s= ; Message-ID: <20060108231710.78727.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: State of the art loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) It honestly depends more on feature set than "state of the art" in my opinion. Does the EDP do something that you'd like to use in your music? Then if you've got the cash, get it. I wouldn't even consider the Loperlitive until it's shipping and v 1.1 is released. If there's one thing I've learned is that often mature is better than state of the art. Mark --- David Rolling wrote: > Hi, I've been messing with loopers since the 80s and > have a few (Repeater, > Boomerang+, JamMan *old*, JamMan *new*, RC-20/20XL) > but they all have > shortcomings. > > I'd like to add an EDP or a Maneco to the mix. > Should I just wait for the > Looperlative to hit or go with one of these others > in the meantime? > > Thanks, > David Rolling > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:33:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 521293BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1116.80.217.218.212.1136764285.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> In-Reply-To: <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:51:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: per@boysen.se User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:33:22 +0000 (UTC) > > > 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can already > get for free? But compressed digital audio files is not the same thing as the CD, is it? Are you really shure the "downloaders" was going to buy the record and now changed their mind beacuse of those crappy mp3 artifacts on their drives? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:37:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 777D83BEE9; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: CHRISROVER@aol.com Message-ID: <96.3559f4a1.30f2fc3e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:37:34 EST Subject: 639 Year Long Concert - And what a church :-0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.3559f4a1.30f2fc3e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 310 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:37:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_96.3559f4a1.30f2fc3e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like rock'n roll to me. Far east and far out, dig it ! And isn't this a gorgeous church ? Have a 360 degree look at: http://www.john-cage.halberstadt.de/new/index.php?seite=dasprojekt&l=d If you happen to visit stop by - I'm two hours away :-) chrisrover@aol.com www.christianrover.com --part1_96.3559f4a1.30f2fc3e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like rock'n roll to me. Far east=20= and far out, dig it !

And isn't this a gorgeous church ? Have a 360 degree look at:

http://www.john-cage.halberstadt.de/new/index.php?seite=3Ddasprojekt&l= =3Dd

If you happen to visit stop by - I'm two hours away :-)

chrisrover@aol.com
www.christianrover.com

 --part1_96.3559f4a1.30f2fc3e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:42:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4B53BEE4; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:42:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:42:13 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creative ideas about how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion, creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al. so that we can all use it as a resource in the future. The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellent contributions about this phenomenon and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obvious question is: Given that, how can we maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to be commercially viable artists) and what creative things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artist in this economic climate. WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather, merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please create a subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, that a lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all) Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al. Specifically, in each instance, 1) how does one contact these organizations? 2) How do they work? 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people's individual experience with the various vendors. 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 8 23:53:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FBA23BEF8; Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fMktTkEmdoQ1Seq0UOaBQ4bSXF9uJ2ZzzTMkW6XC8kkBBG3CKqP4ExaqnNwU5C4OPHWrQ2y2GRqoSZIRyoBIy4Cc3d0tBDuxosV7uJkrTbgPBNPBqUUBGSOTsq17DbI5wI7TcRPhj53C8gK5Hu3QoYlTb0A5yFlQKlxWtktAZ4k= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:53:31 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:53:33 +0000 (UTC) " ENCORE! ENCORE! " > > > Second chord sounds in world's longest lasting concert > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060105/lf_afp/afpentertainmentgermany > > > > > Thu Jan 5, 11:12 AM ET > > > HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new chord was scheduled to sound in the > world's slowest and longest lasting concert that is taking a total 639 ye= ars > to perform. > The abandoned Buchardi church in Halberstadt, eastern Germany, is the ve= nue > for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of a piece of music by US > experimental composer John Cage (1912-1992). > > Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS Possible"), the performance began= on > September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last until 2639. > > The first year and half of the performance was total silence, with the fi= rst > chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not sounding until February 2, 2003. > > Then in July 2004, two additional Es, an octave apart, were sounded and a= re > scheduled to be released later this year on May 5. > > But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, the first chord was due to progres= s > to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp -- and is to be held down over > the next few years by weights on an organ being built especially for the > project. > > Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for piano, > subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987. > > But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the compose= r > at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, using Cage's > transcription for organ. > > The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of > Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the > current project started. > > That original organ, built by Nikolaus Faber for Halberstadt's cathedral, > was the first organ ever to be used for liturgical purposes, ringing in a > new era in which the organ has played a central role in church music ever > since. > > As part of Halberstadt's John Cage Organ Project, a brand-new organ is be= ing > built specially, with new pipes added in time for when new notes are > scheduled to sound. > > Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th century's most influential composers, > Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951). > > Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes works such as the notorious "4'33", a > piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds of total silence, all > meticulously notated. > > The organisers of the John Cage Organ Project say the record-breaking > performance in Halberstadt also has a philosophical background -- to > "rediscover calm and slowness in today's fast-changing world". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 00:34:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9A63BED9; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060109003453964.0253E7400085@mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060105015918.21795.qmail@web34914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--454098619 Message-Id: <45C83F61-82AC-459A-A9ED-8D5309F95182@mac.com> From: Simon Le Geyt Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--454098619 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per - that's not a 'chorus effect' as such. To get 'that' sound, Frisell pushes and pulls the guitar neck in and out as he's playing - don't try it too hard with an SG or you'll end up more like Pete Townshend (snap!!). On 5 Jan 2006, at 11:23, Per Boysen wrote: > I find it difficult to listen to guitar music performed with "that > typical jazz chorus sound" --Apple-Mail-3--454098619 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per - that's not a 'chorus = effect' as such.=A0

To get 'that' sound, = Frisell pushes and pulls the guitar neck in and out as he's playing - = don't try it too hard with an SG or you'll end up more like Pete = Townshend (snap!!).


On 5 Jan = 2006, at 11:23, Per Boysen wrote:

=A0I find = it difficult to listen to guitar music performed with "that typical jazz = chorus sound"
=

= --Apple-Mail-3--454098619-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 00:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF543BEDD; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:53:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-reply-to: <1116.80.217.218.212.1136764285.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43C1B41F.6030500@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> <1116.80.217.218.212.1136764285.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: >> 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can already >> get for free? > > But compressed digital audio files is not the same thing as the CD, is it? > Are you really shure the "downloaders" was going to buy the record and now > changed their mind beacuse of those crappy mp3 artifacts on their drives? > ;-) My friend said that the files were at the 192kbps rate. Not CD quality, but not too bad, either. Unfortunately, I cannot divine the intentions of other people so I can't really answer your question. Nor do I have any way of knowing how many people have already downloaded the music. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:08:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983A83BEEE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u5yzf5PfV+rN0ILWXqQtjruORznfDzKz0dtSV+jnrlFkO7uDfr4ygjGvgRp0Ib8FTK9WQ6rAID5vqd+mb3LESr9agFBvXGWvj3dY5PCVe6JMkuUnfpxgdS61OJeGqfMUhbugI9Zdw7DGeQZ51Ccu6qFK5G4sD2Dg+F/qFN/Q41s= ; Message-ID: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:08:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43C1B41F.6030500@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-339993379-1136768909=:65400" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:08:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-339993379-1136768909=:65400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have 2 independed Chapman Stick CDs out plus a DVD. I haven't made a new one since 2002, it took me quit long to sell the 2000 CDs for 10 euro. I think I gave half of them away as a promo. I did get some gigs out of this. they just did a questionaire among the young Dutch people and asked which audio format they prefered and most of them said: mp3. they didn't seem to care much about high end quality CDs at all. and I get the impression they don't care much about the Covers/Booklets Artwork which come with the CDs either. they do spend lots of money on tickets for festivals & concerts. and they also buy plenty of concert DVDs , they download or copy these as much as CDs. so releasing DVDs might be something to consider take care, ron baggerman http://www.galaxygypsy.nl Bill Fox wrote: Per Boysen wrote: >> 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can already >> get for free? > > But compressed digital audio files is not the same thing as the CD, is it? > Are you really shure the "downloaders" was going to buy the record and now > changed their mind beacuse of those crappy mp3 artifacts on their drives? > ;-) My friend said that the files were at the 192kbps rate. Not CD quality, but not too bad, either. Unfortunately, I cannot divine the intentions of other people so I can't really answer your question. Nor do I have any way of knowing how many people have already downloaded the music. Cheers, Bill --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-339993379-1136768909=:65400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have 2 independed Chapman Stick CDs out plus a DVD.

I haven't made a new one since 2002, it took me quit long to sell the 2000 CDs for 10 euro. I think I gave half of them away as a promo. I did get some gigs out of this.

they just did a questionaire among the young Dutch people and asked which audio format they prefered and most of them said: mp3. 

they didn't seem to care much about high end quality CDs at all.
and I get the impression they don't care much about the Covers/Booklets Artwork which come with the CDs either.

they do spend lots of money on tickets for festivals & concerts.
and they also buy plenty of concert DVDs , they download or copy these as much as CDs.
so releasing  DVDs might be something to consider

take care,

ron baggerman
http://www.galaxygypsy.nl



Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
Per Boysen wrote:

>> 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can already
>> get for free?
>
> But compressed digital audio files is not the same thing as the CD, is it?
> Are you really shure the "downloaders" was going to buy the record and now
> changed their mind beacuse of those crappy mp3 artifacts on their drives?
> ;-)

My friend said that the files were at the 192kbps rate. Not CD quality,
but not too bad, either. Unfortunately, I cannot divine the intentions
of other people so I can't really answer your question. Nor do I have
any way of knowing how many people have already downloaded the music.

Cheers,

Bill


Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-339993379-1136768909=:65400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:20:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292F53BEEE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:20:02 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYUuTUoVQ8NaSDbQoiBsKmL5X6wfQAAJeUg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:20:09 +0000 (UTC) > they do spend lots of money on tickets for festivals & concerts. Now at last there's something positive (from the musicians' point of view) in this thread: while the "felt value" of a CD has decreased for the buying public (and thus their urge to buy one), with it comes a grown appreciation of live music. Perhaps this has to do with the availability of powerful audio software (in combination with CD recorders) which allows any playroom-based wannabe to shell out their own CDs - consumers simply respect recorded music less, but on the other hand are willing to spend more on seeing artists actually perform music (or are willing to listen to live music at all). So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing (just the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your fingertips). Rainer ps: to avoid any confusion, with the statement above I do not want to show that the situation for artists has improved or even stayed the same. It's just some observation, mainly from the consumer's point of view. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C7C03BEE4; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X1Yx5yH6Owu8H0B6UwX/I9cMHwcJTdk3qSFcRNzpfUttPfF7CG+ZjC2//q2uv9+HbBf4D9iXdFNxLXmm07tp+mLkyvi/2mNkPlKBFpFCzy9fibBG3gF4flJcJun1mFOcXeCgTr0+DnBfHht83Rzi1UUtTOM/8/A7WXKwzSLuILw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:20:15 -0600 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7186_19084523.1136769615781" References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5Tm4ZC.A.H8F.RpbwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:20:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7186_19084523.1136769615781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Kris, Don't hate the game, hate the playa(s)...Cage had nothing to do with the 63= 9 year version. It was a 20 minute piano piece that became a 20 minute organ piece that someone decided to blow out of proportion. Cheers, Jon Southwood Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for piano, > subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987. > > But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the compose= r > at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, using Cage's > transcription for organ. > > The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of > Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the > current project started. > ------=_Part_7186_19084523.1136769615781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Kris,

Don't hate the game, hate the playa(s)...Cage had nothing to d= o with the 639 year version. It was a 20 minute piano piece that became a 2= 0 minute organ piece that someone decided to blow out of proportion.

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a=20 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in=20 1987.

But organisers of the John Cage Organ Pr= oject decided=20 to take the composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 ye= ars,=20 using Cage's transcription for organ.

The enormous running time was chosen to = commemorate=20 the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years= =20 before the current project started.


=
------=_Part_7186_19084523.1136769615781-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19103BEE7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026d01c614bc$316b2370$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B018C4077@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:29:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026A_01C61481.842594F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 436, in=196691, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:29:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C61481.842594F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh yes, know that. :) I didn't think he would do that... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Southwood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Kris, Don't hate the game, hate the playa(s)...Cage had nothing to do with = the 639 year version. It was a 20 minute piano piece that became a 20 = minute organ piece that someone decided to blow out of proportion. Cheers, Jon Southwood Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for = piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987. But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the = composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, = using Cage's transcription for organ. The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of = Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the = current project started. ------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C61481.842594F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
oh yes, know that.  :) I didn't = think he would=20 do that...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jon=20 Southwood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 = 6:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: 639 Year Long = Concert - Cage=20 Composition - "ASLSP"

Kris,

Don't hate the game, hate the = playa(s)...Cage had=20 nothing to do with the 639 year version. It was a 20 minute piano = piece that=20 became a 20 minute organ piece that someone decided to blow out of=20 proportion.

Cheers,

Jon Southwood

Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in = 1985 as a=20 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in=20 1987.

But organisers of the John Cage Organ = Project=20 decided to take the composer at his word and stretch out the = performance for=20 639 years, using Cage's transcription for organ.

The enormous running time was chosen = to=20 commemorate the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ = in 1361=20 -- 639 years before the current project=20 = started.


------=_NextPart_000_026A_01C61481.842594F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708873BEF5; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Cd sales Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:38:51 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:38:29 +0000 (UTC) FWIW, I've sold more CDs online between April 2004-2005 than any year previously (just been doing my accounts to get my tax return in). I've been selling my albums online as downloads for a while now. CD sales still outnumber downloads 2:1. The only trend I observe in my own CD buyers is that I sell more than double the number of solo CDs as I do of any collaborative projects I release on my own label. Cd sales are still a very significant part of my mortgage paying power each year. :o) A big thanks to everyone on here who has bought my CDs/downloads/t- shirts over the last five years. I feel very fortunate to get to do what I do for a living, and given the discussion that's going on, don't take it for granted that I still get to do this. cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:42:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D4A3BEE7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=f1AW+aZgdNslkSDC1ykjlV8aAjbP/NEThBL29XHH3+aErm3YyPiUfcaSibv6aNzoBkpW5z6UElf+4SWQx7cgV7wRpmg+mkyafQuAB4SrU1pQW3MFJ/2kjYa/XHNbkZ7e/7gZ2UvqFSZI8jbbuBkfciXJLVs4Ps+IbOY8x2ENTBs= ; Message-ID: <20060109014246.42863.qmail@web60418.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:42:46 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: CDs-DVDs-Books To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-549772983-1136770966=:42277" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:42:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-549772983-1136770966=:42277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great observation, the situation is not improved or stayed the same: it's become a whole different ballgame. For example I'm in the process of writing method/instruction books for the Chapman Stick which will come with a ...CD (how did you guess?:)) and later even with DVD. In those i will also include my own compositions. So that way I can sell my original music and deliver a service that the client(which is often a stickplayer) can use to ..play along with my tunes, since I'll analyse it very well in the book. I might even include Kareoke versions:)) So I'm making a CD with added value (extra method book) So it looks like a Method Book with a bonus CD, but it's a CD with a Bonus Book! (This all starts to sound like a salespitch, I apologise for this:)) So it almost looks as I'm using my books to sell CDs.....well, if they try to sell i-pods by making no money on the i-tunes, then I surely can borrow that system. These were just some thoughts at 2h41 in the morning. Good night, Ron B http://www.galaxygypsy.nl Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > they do spend lots of money on tickets for festivals & concerts. Now at last there's something positive (from the musicians' point of view) in this thread: while the "felt value" of a CD has decreased for the buying public (and thus their urge to buy one), with it comes a grown appreciation of live music. Perhaps this has to do with the availability of powerful audio software (in combination with CD recorders) which allows any playroom-based wannabe to shell out their own CDs - consumers simply respect recorded music less, but on the other hand are willing to spend more on seeing artists actually perform music (or are willing to listen to live music at all). So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing (just the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your fingertips). Rainer ps: to avoid any confusion, with the statement above I do not want to show that the situation for artists has improved or even stayed the same. It's just some observation, mainly from the consumer's point of view. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-549772983-1136770966=:42277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Great observation, the situation is not improved or stayed the same:  it's become a whole different ballgame.

For example I'm in the process of writing method/instruction books for the Chapman Stick which will come with a ...CD (how did you guess?:))  and later even with DVD.   In those i will also include my own compositions.

So that way I can sell my original music and deliver a service that the client(which is often a stickplayer) can use to ..play along with my tunes, since I'll analyse it very well in the book. I might even include Kareoke  versions:))
So I'm making a CD with added value (extra method book)
So it looks like a Method Book with a bonus CD, but it's a CD with a Bonus Book!

(This all starts to sound like a salespitch, I apologise for this:))

So it almost looks as I'm using my books to sell CDs.....well, if they try to sell i-pods by making no money on the i-tunes, then I surely can borrow that system.

These were just some thoughts at 2h41 in the morning. 

Good night,

Ron B
http://www.galaxygypsy.nl


Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> they do spend lots of money on tickets for festivals & concerts.

Now at last there's something positive (from the musicians' point of view)
in this thread: while the "felt value" of a CD has decreased for the buying
public (and thus their urge to buy one), with it comes a grown appreciation
of live music. Perhaps this has to do with the availability of powerful
audio software (in combination with CD recorders) which allows any
playroom-based wannabe to shell out their own CDs - consumers simply respect
recorded music less, but on the other hand are willing to spend more on
seeing artists actually perform music (or are willing to listen to live
music at all).

So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing (just
the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your
fingertips).

Rainer

ps: to avoid any confusion, with the statement above I do not want to show
that the situation for artists has improved or even stayed the same. It's
just some observation, mainly from the consumer's point of view.


Yahoo! Photos
Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-549772983-1136770966=:42277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:48:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538333BEFE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HThZRoxoPupR+SlaZV+RJC+bxwC2zbwvYoPtjhyPWOPRWePa3f92J+d77wPJac6qVUyawGRWe7Bn0pNQq4tIFW8jMI7oURlZQf2UpOmojNRhE2BC0R59/B0TjN28eYJ4S92Yy5GXVqvNojie/U/m30iugyTkfEO4oJFNGGqgCSI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:48:35 -0600 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD In-Reply-To: <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7362_20901232.1136771315425" References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:48:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7362_20901232.1136771315425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline A couple refinements: CD Baby > > Website: http://www.cdbaby.net/ > Setup Fees: $35 (extra $20 for digital distribution) Setup Fees: $35 for CD distribution; Digital Distribution is a Free service but requires UPC Barcode (can be supplied by CDBaby for $20) % or $$ Take of CD Sale: $4 Digital download service distribution? Yes > Digital sales on site? No % or $ Tack of Digital Distribution: 9% Cheers, Jon Southwood ------=_Part_7362_20901232.1136771315425 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline A couple refinements:


CD Baby

Webs= ite:=20 http://www.cdbaby.net/
Setup Fees= : $35 (extra $20 for digital distribution)

Setup Fees:= $35 for CD distribution; Digital Distribution is a Free service but requir= es UPC Barcode (can be supplied by CDBaby for $20)

% o= r $$ Take of CD Sale: $4
Digital download service distribution? Yes
Digital sales on site? No

% or $ Tack of Digital Distribution: 9%
 
Cheers,

Jon Southwood


------=_Part_7362_20901232.1136771315425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FEA23BEE9; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sT4nlL+RRyV9hxFehkb90ptwvK4eUQ/WBcoJ//izeWVBuMmnp1LRwqN4L9mVK5b01vOnx6MBFe7IjWm8WWpKlukZSo0LSif8JZRDqK7X952WPm0GJ9PtlPcatgwHEPaIkSdOL+XjvwMOpxGLlPei/ci73ZmlC7EdbJ1tAOBAofw= ; Message-ID: <20060109014942.89815.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: Re: Cd sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1465007807-1136771382=:89612" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:49:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1465007807-1136771382=:89612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, Steve , but it's also your live-reputation (you play a lot and very well of course) which let people come back to your site to order on line. They'll buy a CD when they see you play live and later go to your site and order more different CDs. They then buy CDs of you and no downloads since they were CD buyers in the 1st place. (I'm not sure if I made myself clear or made things more complicated:)) BTW I love your music and your CDs, I must have 5 different CDs of you now! Take care, Ron Baggerman http://www.galaxygypsy.nl Steve Lawson wrote: FWIW, I've sold more CDs online between April 2004-2005 than any year previously (just been doing my accounts to get my tax return in). I've been selling my albums online as downloads for a while now. CD sales still outnumber downloads 2:1. The only trend I observe in my own CD buyers is that I sell more than double the number of solo CDs as I do of any collaborative projects I release on my own label. Cd sales are still a very significant part of my mortgage paying power each year. :o) A big thanks to everyone on here who has bought my CDs/downloads/t- shirts over the last five years. I feel very fortunate to get to do what I do for a living, and given the discussion that's going on, don't take it for granted that I still get to do this. cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1465007807-1136771382=:89612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yes, Steve , but it's also your live-reputation (you play a lot and very well of course) which let people come back to your site to order on line.  They'll buy a CD when they see you play live and later go to your site and order more different CDs. They then buy CDs of you and no downloads since they were CD buyers in the 1st place. (I'm not sure if I made myself clear or made things more complicated:))

BTW I love your music and your CDs, I must have 5 different CDs of you now!

Take care,

Ron Baggerman
http://www.galaxygypsy.nl

Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> wrote:
FWIW, I've sold more CDs online between April 2004-2005 than any year
previously (just been doing my accounts to get my tax return in).
I've been selling my albums online as downloads for a while now. CD
sales still outnumber downloads 2:1.

The only trend I observe in my own CD buyers is that I sell more than
double the number of solo CDs as I do of any collaborative projects I
release on my own label.

Cd sales are still a very significant part of my mortgage paying
power each year. :o)

A big thanks to everyone on here who has bought my CDs/downloads/t-
shirts over the last five years. I feel very fortunate to get to do
what I do for a living, and given the discussion that's going on,
don't take it for granted that I still get to do this.

cheers,

Steve
www.stevelawson.net - site
www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop
http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog




Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1465007807-1136771382=:89612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 01:55:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9331F3BEF5; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mSmWwwFuzzXv4nJP3xvu3P2mN4uYUThJi1MO7S+IPyyvefDTAbdB9l7GOoDf46EVLcjgrbWVYorD7GAQyaRBtrOL/9dKFWc8HJc/a6mM5bsuwYQ79tZPVC9Aw2lHziWrFtmq2TFwIrl5UlowMcjlzoQPtzYyqT7TVWCXWD0vCLk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:55:04 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cd sales In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Well, since you are talking about selling cds. I have a new disc out called "Everyone is Everyone". You know, like, if you are interested you can go to: http://www.publicguilt.com or me http://myspace.com/magicicada http://www.magicicada.com I feel like such a whore. ponypie! c. On 1/8/06, Steve Lawson wrote: > FWIW, I've sold more CDs online between April 2004-2005 than any year > previously (just been doing my accounts to get my tax return in). > I've been selling my albums online as downloads for a while now. CD > sales still outnumber downloads 2:1. > > The only trend I observe in my own CD buyers is that I sell more than > double the number of solo CDs as I do of any collaborative projects I > release on my own label. > > Cd sales are still a very significant part of my mortgage paying > power each year. :o) > > A big thanks to everyone on here who has bought my CDs/downloads/t- > shirts over the last five years. I feel very fortunate to get to do > what I do for a living, and given the discussion that's going on, > don't take it for granted that I still get to do this. > > cheers, > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 02:16:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A3883BEEA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F1nLq95pSuBRjvYLG/0pkJOGlqoiU/MhM1v644qQe1asp6jMPZASStK90XtGTWwx; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4121-2200611922220340@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:22:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940790cab27d91a69f10e671c9682c3e835350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.55 Resent-Message-ID: <1gjmAB.A.B_H.hdcwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:16:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like "the Whispering Yeast Orchestra, with your host, Dwight Yeast." ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 1/7/2006 10:43:52 PM Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Also, this is their interpretation of "As slow as possible"? This could take a lot longer than 639 years if we really consider "the possible". It could take infinitely long depending on what school of math you subscribe to. :) Better yet, we could apply Cantor's principle of diagonalization and multiple levels of infinity and say that each beat take an infinite amount of time, adding other beats (sets of infinity). Hence, let's just start that first beat of silence on the first section and call out part done. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Hartung, Kris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Come on....this seems ludicrous. I know Cage was a formiddable figure in experimental music, but this seems like taking it a bit too far. Reading this, I thought maybe I was reading a script for a new Monty Python movie. Do they have someone at the Kris Second chord sounds in world's longest lasting concert http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060105/lf_afp/afpentertainmentgermany Thu Jan 5, 11:12 AM ET HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new chord was scheduled to sound in the world's slowest and longest lasting concert that is taking a total 639 years to perform. The abandoned Buchardi church in Halberstadt, eastern Germany, is the venue for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of a piece of music by US experimental composer John Cage (1912-1992). Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS Possible"), the performance began on September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last until 2639. The first year and half of the performance was total silence, with the first chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not sounding until February 2, 2003. Then in July 2004, two additional Es, an octave apart, were sounded and are scheduled to be released later this year on May 5. But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, the first chord was due to progress to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp -- and is to be held down over the next few years by weights on an organ being built especially for the project. Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987. But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, using Cage's transcription for organ. The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the current project started. That original organ, built by Nikolaus Faber for Halberstadt's cathedral, was the first organ ever to be used for liturgical purposes, ringing in a new era in which the organ has played a central role in church music ever since. As part of Halberstadt's John Cage Organ Project, a brand-new organ is being built specially, with new pipes added in time for when new notes are scheduled to sound. Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th century's most influential composers, Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951). Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes works such as the notorious "4'33", a piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds of total silence, all meticulously notated. The organisers of the John Cage Organ Project say the record-breaking performance in Halberstadt also has a philosophical background -- to "rediscover calm and slowness in today's fast-changing world". ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Sounds like "the Whispering Yeast Orchestra, with your host, Dwight Yeast."
~Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 1/7/2006 10:43:52 PM
Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP"

Also, this is their interpretation of "As slow as possible"? This could take a lot longer than 639 years if we really consider "the possible".  It could take infinitely long depending on what school of math you subscribe to. :)   Better yet, we could apply Cantor's principle of diagonalization and multiple levels of infinity and say that each beat take an infinite amount of time, adding other beats (sets of infinity). Hence, let's just start that first beat of silence on the first section and call out part done.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP"

Come on....this seems ludicrous. I know Cage was a formiddable figure in experimental music, but this seems like taking it a bit too far.  Reading this, I thought maybe I was reading a script for a new Monty Python movie.  Do they have someone at the
 
Kris
 
 
 
Second chord sounds in world's longest lasting concert  

Thu Jan 5, 11:12 AM ET

HALBERSTADT, Germany (AFP) - A new chord was scheduled to sound in the world's slowest and longest lasting concert that is taking a total 639 years to perform.

The abandoned Buchardi church in Halberstadt, eastern Germany, is the venue for a mind-boggling 639-year-long performance of a piece of music by US experimental composer John Cage (1912-1992).

Entitled "organ2/ASLSP" (or "As SLow aS Possible"), the performance began on September 5, 2001 and is scheduled to last until 2639.

The first year and half of the performance was total silence, with the first chord -- G-sharp, B and G-sharp -- not sounding until February 2, 2003.

Then in July 2004, two additional Es, an octave apart, were sounded and are scheduled to be released later this year on May 5.

But at 5:00 pm (1600 GMT) on Thursday, the first chord was due to progress to a second -- comprising A, C and F-sharp -- and is to be held down over the next few years by weights on an organ being built especially for the project.

Cage originally conceived "ASLSP" in 1985 as a 20-minute work for piano, subsequently transcribing it for organ in 1987.

But organisers of the John Cage Organ Project decided to take the composer at his word and stretch out the performance for 639 years, using Cage's transcription for organ.

The enormous running time was chosen to commemorate the creation of Halberstadt's historic Blockwerk organ in 1361 -- 639 years before the current project started.

That original organ, built by Nikolaus Faber for Halberstadt's cathedral, was the first organ ever to be used for liturgical purposes, ringing in a new era in which the organ has played a central role in church music ever since.

As part of Halberstadt's John Cage Organ Project, a brand-new organ is being built specially, with new pipes added in time for when new notes are scheduled to sound.

Cage was a pupil of one of the 20th century's most influential composers, Arnold Schoenberg (1874-1951).

Cage's avant-garde oeuvre includes works such as the notorious "4'33", a piece comprising four minutes and 33 seconds of total silence, all meticulously notated.

The organisers of the John Cage Organ Project say the record-breaking performance in Halberstadt also has a philosophical background -- to "rediscover calm and slowness in today's fast-changing world".

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 02:27:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A653BEFA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tjy+J+vSvDZhBNzzEX15d3UpV5ebsjfGHtvRbLuKRS2nOHM5SUiIG1c8yZ8hPQugMuTlrp/+5vz2O07RGYbTQNUGwPsVqZRMyyyy+Gx7SxfE1mqmV50FQjUd3y1rGkDNLV0PE3NOgDEMxUo0iC8LDxlpKW5GcBAPG6l0PmF/6Tc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:27:44 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <1116.80.217.218.212.1136764285.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> <1116.80.217.218.212.1136764285.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:27:47 +0000 (UTC) It seems that consumers vote for "convenience" over "fidelity" in most cases. Cassettes could be played in the car, didn't need to be flipped over every 20 minutes, and offered the option of getting a new album taped from a friend for the cost of a blank tape and an hour's time. Improved fidelity over vinyl didn't enter into the equation, although I suppose they did sound better than 8-track, but they were smaller and didn't have that track switch every twenty minutes. CD's offered higher fidelity, but were more robust than vinyl (in terms of cleaning and proper storage), and again could be moved to the car, and walkman as well as the home system. Plus, the ability to instantly skip over a duff track was appealing, particularly as the number of duff tracks seemed to be increasing... MP3's offered much of the convenience of CD's with the added bonus of decreased cost: i.e. nothing with illegal downloads. The average listener doesn't really care about the difference between 128kps and 192, but they do appreciate $0 vs. $15 (or anything). Plus, they take up less space. Some people have suggested that switching to DVD audio would offer an added functionality (5.1 sound possibility, higher sampling rates, etc.) while making it difficult for the average listener to make digital copies (at least for the next year or so), but most car stereos won't play DVD audio, and if people just want to listen on their portable system (iPod or whathave you), then it's not much incentive. TravisH On 1/8/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > > 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can alread= y > > get for free? > > > But compressed digital audio files is not the same thing as the CD, is it= ? > Are you really shure the "downloaders" was going to buy the record and no= w > changed their mind beacuse of those crappy mp3 artifacts on their drives? > ;-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 02:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6058E3BEFA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nAE5+z+8b9XsUcnx+HAv/lW2jrLEEHaaAwtnhZjIa98fw8q0oWwludciuX3OpGkad/9KpqSr64XtOHiVG1LSKObyJP0kwu3j6NQJwVxBfEUPk8wc1wUSN0s0ks6gieWZSwKb8kC9JA2anBGB2F5cuiJ0pHSqUqsroa7JvEjKvU4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601081843x1d5b1a30l7cc1583fdd3cb5cf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 21:43:22 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <00f101c6144c$89be2dd0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <85.35936b80.30f24195@aol.com> <00f101c6144c$89be2dd0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:43:24 +0000 (UTC) On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Are you saying that I don't get it? I play experimental music too and hav= e a > very open mind (heck, check out my Project MRI in the CT Collective). One > can get yet, yet still call bullshit on the significance or novelty of a > work. That's my subjective right as an artist and free thinker. You can have an open mind and still not get it! Point is -- I'll bet it sounds good. I like sustained organ tones.=20 And I'll bet it makes you think. Contemplate how hard it would be to actually arrange for a piece to be played for 600 years -- the level of organization, of trust in the next geneation -- what it would sound like -- how relaxing it would be to be in the audience and know that the next note is not due for days or weeks -- to know that you are not required to come in at the start nor stay till the end. This is a piece that makes every other piece ever seem rushed. Hard to bea= t. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 02:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1780F3BEF5; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sVPu3xpy2JVfxbIDvF1KtjgwWa5JugxUc5WJo21oEegqjS4GugbdefhRNvmwun+P/FlvRiIWo8VtmUyjMkfw8ag8bdIvzTrEGVHo7AwL9Fz5fAaKwz/GzLEnWkqsmtX05vooY7KFPFm2rQnb4poekxhZaRFjSR48J9GhI8k1aGE= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 18:43:45 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <4X0W4C.A.x0.i3cwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:43:47 +0000 (UTC) That's good for people who enjoy gigging, live where there's sufficient opportunities, and who offer a compelling performance experience, but not so good for people in the sticks who don't shine on stage, or whose music doesn't translate as well to the live format... TravisH On 1/8/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing (ju= st > the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your > fingertips). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 02:45:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4F4B3BF06; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:45:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0289_01C6148C.1CD75990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=192043, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:45:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0289_01C6148C.1CD75990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Jon. That UPC code is important, I think. A lot of places won't = sell your CD unless you have it, such as Amazon. Also, local CD = retailers love it when you have a UPC code. It's easy to get from CD = Baby, download, and add to you CD Tray graphic. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Southwood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Re: OT (sorta): Putting out your CD A couple refinements: CD Baby Website: http://www.cdbaby.net/ Setup Fees: $35 (extra $20 for digital distribution) Setup Fees: $35 for CD distribution; Digital Distribution is a Free = service but requires UPC Barcode (can be supplied by CDBaby for $20)=20 % or $$ Take of CD Sale: $4 Digital download service distribution? Yes Digital sales on site? No % or $ Tack of Digital Distribution: 9% =20 Cheers, Jon Southwood ------=_NextPart_000_0289_01C6148C.1CD75990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Jon. That UPC code is = important, I think. A=20 lot of places won't sell your CD unless you have it, such as Amazon. = Also, local=20 CD retailers love it when you have a UPC code. It's easy to get from CD = Baby,=20 download, and add to you CD Tray graphic.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jon=20 Southwood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 = 6:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT (sorta): = Putting out your=20 CD

A couple refinements:
CD=20 Baby

Website: http://www.cdbaby.net/
Setup = Fees: $35=20 (extra $20 for digital distribution)

Setup Fees: $35 for CD distribution; Digital Distribution is = a Free=20 service but requires UPC Barcode (can be supplied by CDBaby for $20)=20

%=20 or $$ Take of CD Sale: $4
Digital=20 download service distribution? Yes
Digital sales on site? = No

% or $ Tack of Digital Distribution:=20 9%
 
Cheers,

Jon=20 Southwood


------=_NextPart_000_0289_01C6148C.1CD75990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 02:49:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B87033BEFF; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029901c614c7$57f37be0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <85.35936b80.30f24195@aol.com> <00f101c6144c$89be2dd0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <26ba8d120601081843x1d5b1a30l7cc1583fdd3cb5cf@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:49:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 437, in=207901, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:49:45 +0000 (UTC) I get it....I just don't think it's very original or inspiring. That's my opinion. Everything you said below...I understood it. It's a basic implication of doing a piece like that. I don' think it would be that hard actually, at least not releative to other complex programs.....mabe hard for someone how has never managed a program, but easy for someone who is a professional at it and does it for a living. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Are you saying that I don't get it? I play experimental music too and have > a > very open mind (heck, check out my Project MRI in the CT Collective). One > can get yet, yet still call bullshit on the significance or novelty of a > work. That's my subjective right as an artist and free thinker. You can have an open mind and still not get it! Point is -- I'll bet it sounds good. I like sustained organ tones. And I'll bet it makes you think. Contemplate how hard it would be to actually arrange for a piece to be played for 600 years -- the level of organization, of trust in the next geneation -- what it would sound like -- how relaxing it would be to be in the audience and know that the next note is not due for days or weeks -- to know that you are not required to come in at the start nor stay till the end. This is a piece that makes every other piece ever seem rushed. Hard to beat. /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 03:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D09453BEFE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02aa01c614cc$ae25baf0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:27:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 437, in=207913, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Here's one specific topic for your thread, Rick. CD RELEASE COMMUNICATIONS The following is my strategy, and I'm sure there is more to add to it. You could spend the rest of your life communicating your CD releases! A. Write a concise, professional looking, and informative memo for your CD release. If you are not a good writer, get someone else to write it for you. B. Write it in electronic format and store it on your computer so that you can copy and paste the text into various forums...it save a lot of time and establishes consistency C. Some forums allow images, in which case I would take advantage of this and post a small graphic of the CD cover with your memo. D. Post it on as many relevant online information sharing forums that you can find. E. Here are the forums that I post to for my CD releases. I would be interesting in learning of others! 1. Google Groups / USENET (also accessible via Google Groups Alt.Music.Makers.Electronic (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.makers.electronic?lnk=oa&hl=en Experimental Electronic Music Makers (Google) - http://groups.google.com/group/eemm?lnk=oa&hl=en Free Improvisation Music (Google) - http://groups.google.com/group/Free-Improvisation?lnk=oa&hl=en Rec.Music.Ambient (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.ambient?lnk=oa&hl=en Rec.Music. Experimental (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental?lnk=oa&hl=en Alt.Music.Progressive (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.progressive?lnk=oa&hl=en 2. Yahoo Groups Northwest Experimental - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nwexperimental/ Groove Unlimited - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Groove_Unlimited/ Space Music - http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=Electronic+Music&sc=-1&sg=30&ss=1 Experimusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/experimusic/ Odd Music - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/oddmusic/ LoopMusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/loopmusic Search for other groups here: http://groups.yahoo.com/ 3. Other Music Related Discussion Forums Kronosonic - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ UncleDig - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ MP3.com - http://www.mp3.com/forums/forums.html Artist Launch - http://www.indieprops.com/bforum/ Mixposure - http://www.mixposure.com/forum/ ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. E. Examples 1. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_frm/thread/b4691a0ced843448/81e01aedb7e34b6a#81e01aedb7e34b6a 2. http://www.uncledig.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,27/func,view/id,223/catid,2/ 3. http://www.mp3.com/promote-your-music/new-years-day-cd-release-xperimentus-international-collaboration/topic/18-112420/msgs.html 4. http://www.mixposure.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13125 ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creative > ideas about > how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion, > creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al. > so that we can all use it as a resource in the future. > > The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellent > contributions about this phenomenon > and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obvious > question is: Given that, how can we > maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to be > commercially viable artists) and what creative > things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artist > in this economic climate. > > WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE > > > I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather, > merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future > for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please create a > subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, that > a > lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all) > > Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al. > > Specifically, in each instance, > 1) how does one contact these organizations? > 2) How do they work? > 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people's individual > experience with the various vendors. > 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 03:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 885823BEFE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:37:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <02aa01c614cc$ae25baf0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYUzLF4Eh0J9SkvSymIkOneeZUW9QAALauQ Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1Evnqx3uy2-0000yq@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:37:54 +0000 (UTC) And for those that sell them at gigs- what do you use to transport them? And what do you use to display your CD? Do you bring someone with you to sell, or do you wait until you are done playing and try to get people to buy? Currently, I have my g/f who comes with me and sits by the CDs. I try not to do the hard sell/begging thing during gigs over the mic, which, when I am an audience member, I can't stand. I carry them in a round piece of vintage luggage, which has some foam in there so the various CDs don't bang around. I have a laminated insert for each CD so people can pick it up and see what they are buying. I don't have any kind of display rack, so I am open to any ideas. Small and durable are the requirements. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 03:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19603BEE7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ad01c614ce$4b156670$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:39:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 99, in=58441, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-wwzmC.A.1cC.yrdwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:39:30 +0000 (UTC) GET YOURSELF ON INDEPENDENT MUSICIAN WEBSITES This takes a while, but it will increase your web traffic 10-fold and generate much interest in your music if you write your profile decently. There are hundreds of website services out there that allow you to create a profile, share some of your MP3s, write a bio, share pictures, etc. I only use those that are free. My list is below. Just lick on the URL and go to the home page where you can find a link to sign up. Or use my URL and backspace to the .com. or domain suffic. As with CD release communications, I recommend having a bio and all your material ready before hand, that way you can visit these sites, sign up, get your stuff uploaded, and get our quickly. Artist Direct http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/full/0,,2927643,00.html?artist=Krispen%2BHartung ArtistLaunch http://www.artistlaunch.com/artist7.asp?artistid=7809 ArtistNow.com http://www.artistnow.com/khartung AudioStreet http://www.audiostreet.net/artist.aspx?artistid=20211 Bandspace.com http://www.bandspace.com/KrispenHartung CDart http://www.cdart.com/web1/video/khartung/ Cupio http://www.cupio.de/B00027JCLO/Places.html Music Discovery Network http://creativecenters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=M&Category_Code=HARTUNG Evolution Radio http://www.evolutionradio.org/ FYE http://shop.fye.com/product.aspx?sku=61008657&loc=50244&qu=Krispen%2BHartung GuitarSite - http://www.GuitarSite.com/database/Bands-Artists/rec/7942/ Heavy Confetti http://www.heavyconfetti.com/new/default.asp?active_page_id=19 Hot Bands http://www.hotbands.com/artistpage.php?id=7180 Independent Artists Company (featured / download) http://independentartistscompany.com/kiac/artist.aspx?ID=17912 IndiTunes http://www.indietunes.com/krispenhartung ItsFun.com http://www.itsfun.com/templates/electronica/index.jsp?band=88 iTunes http://www.apple.com/itunes/ Magic Bus Music http://www.mbus.com/bands/genadm/Krispen.Hartung.htm Mixposure http://www.mixposure.com/krispen-hartung Mojam http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung MP3Unsigned.com http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Showband.asp?id=9182 MPERIA www.mperia.com/artists/krispen_hartung Musician's Registry http://www.musiciansregistry.com/ResultsContainer.htm?BandID=CFE3E3A4-A6EC-4078-BE3F9DA53807A0FA New Age Reporter http://www.newagereporter.com/directory/viewartists.asp?page=H Nucleus (Argentina) NumberOne Music (Listen/Featured) http://www.numberonemusic.com/krispenhartung/?PHPSESSID=5c65df0fd16900822a76369c6251ccd4 Purevolume http://www.purevolume.com/KrispenHartung Rocket Radio http://www.rocketradio.com/Krispen%20Hartung Singer/Song Writer Directory http://singer-songwriter.com/artist.php3?id=7199 Soma FM http://www.somafm.com/links/index.html SongRamp http://www.songramp.com/homepage.ez?Who=khartung http://music.download.com/krispenhartung/3600-8503_32-100173249.html?tag=list Soundclick http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung.htm http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung.htm Unsigned Talents http://www.unsignedtalents.com/Profile.asp?butname=792587424 YourMusicNetwork http://www.yourmusicnetwork.net/CD.aspx?ID=061432323624 Zbands http://www.zbands.com/list2.asp?type=band&city=boi&ID=1089 Zed http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?POS=1&user_id=40605&FILTER_KEY=23360&page=content&user=khartung (Canada) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creative > ideas about > how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion, > creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al. > so that we can all use it as a resource in the future. > > The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellent > contributions about this phenomenon > and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obvious > question is: Given that, how can we > maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to be > commercially viable artists) and what creative > things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artist > in this economic climate. > > WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE > > > I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather, > merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future > for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please create a > subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, that > a > lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all) > > Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al. > > Specifically, in each instance, > 1) how does one contact these organizations? > 2) How do they work? > 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people's individual > experience with the various vendors. > 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 04:57:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6983BEDF; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: THE PiNG presents Methuselah with Rob Cruickshank Visuals Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:58:55 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <00e701c614d9$646f1ca0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <9wkYIB.A.L6D.10ewDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Once again the PiNG SiTE has been updated. Check out the=20 photos from our September and October 2005 Events here: http://www.theambientping.com/events2005e.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday January 10th . Methuselah=20 with Rob Cruickshank Visuals=20 Methuselah - Don Scott (guitar, effects, loops), Dafydd Hughes (keyboards, effects, sampler, laptop), and Chris Banks (bass, effects) take a new look at improvised ambient music. Not entirely electronic nor acoustic, the trio lies somewhere in between. Their emphasis is on texture and sonic exploration. They will build to a frothy, glitchy groove or explore the possibilities in a single note, weaving a hypnotic web of sound. Rob Cruickshank blends 35mm slides and 8mm film into a hand-made swirling mess of pixel-free goodness. Methuselah - http://www.feastyourears.com/methuselah.htm Rob Cruickshank - http://www.robcruickshank.net/ Before Sets CD . Fourth World Vol. 1 Possible Musics=20 by Jon Hassell / Brian Eno This recording from 1980 features the piece - Griot (Over=20 "Contagious Magic") recorded in concert here in Toronto=20 at The Art Gallery of Ontario on January 25th 1980.=20 Jon Hassell - http://www.jonhassell.com/ Brian Eno - http://www.enoweb.co.uk/ Between Sets CD . it's raining in my bedroom=20 by building castles out of matchsticks Our favourite queen of the robots, Anne Sulikowski returns to the=20 PiNG next week with building castles out of matchsticks, so we=20 thought we would get in the mood by playing her 2005 collection=20 of electric music ranging from space lullabies to noise to spoken=20 words to a miss-match of electronic beat styles lumped together=20 without a care as to what lines are being crossed. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=3D256553 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday January 17th 2006 . building castles out=20 of matchsticks and I Have Eaten The City (Colin Fisher,=20 Nick Storing and Brandon Valdivia)=20 The sweet sounds of robot love. Anne Sulikowski's building castles=20 out of matchsticks will be performing sounds and songs off her=20 newest diary entry called the secret doctrine. A blend of ambience,=20 disjointed beats, barely there vocals and strange atmospheres will=20 be the focus of her set. A compilation of BCOM best of recordings=20 will be available for $4 in a limited edition run of 30 in total each=20 with unique packaging.=20 I Have Eaten The City formed in May of 2005. Comprising of Colin=20 Fisher (guitar/ sax), Nick Storring (cello/ computer/ electronics)=20 and Brandon Valdivia (drums/ percussion), they fuse free-jazz,=20 contemporary classical, psychedelia, and various strains of=20 abstract electronica. Sonic reference points include Faust,=20 Alice Coltrane, electric Miles Davis, Supersilent, Mephista,=20 Kaija Saariaho, Wolf Eyes, early Tangerine Dream,=20 and Black Dice. The group's unique sound recently provided the backdrop for=20 former Can vocalist, Damo Suzuki for an acclaimed performance=20 at the Starlight Club in Waterloo. Following that the trio played=20 the 416 Creative Improviser's Festival. Individually each member works in a variety of different contexts:=20 Nick and Brandon both play in indie-rock group Picastro and with=20 in the mutant cabaret troupe Dan Fournier and the Pill. Both are=20 graduates of Wilfrid Laurier University's composition program. Nick=20 currently composes for theatre and interdisciplinary projects and=20 records electronic music under his own name and as Pi=E8ge.=20 Brandon performs marimba in Red Sky, a theatre& music production=20 focusing on First Nations mythology, in a Javanese gamelan and=20 in improvising duo with Kyle Brenders. Colin plays math-rock/=20 improv/ prog/ post-hardcore group Sing That Yell That Spell,=20 avant-jazz group Chronic D. He was a member of Abstract with=20 Maury Coles, with which he recorded with Joe McPee. He also=20 played sax on the Constantines' "Shine A Light." The group are proud members of the Association of Improvising=20 Musicians, Toronto. http://www.myspace.com/aimtoronto http://www.myspace.com/ihaveeatenthecity Colin - http://www.geocities.com/albertaylerlovesyou/colinfisher.html Brandon - http://www.myspace.com/brandonvaldivia Nick - http://www.nickstorring.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews No review from rik this week, as he and Sovaak the Sock Monkey=20 are busy getting ready for an online performance they'll be doing=20 on Wednesday January 11th at 9pm EST. =20 Visit http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment=20 to find out all the details, then tune in Wednesday night to=20 hear old favorites and new material from mara's torment! If you're interested you can also hear some of rik and Sovaak's=20 archived gigs on the mara's torment web site, all available in=20 handy dandy mp3s suitable for your listening enjoyment. =20 Check it all out at http://www.marastorment.com rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Tuesday January 10th - Lynn Harrigan reads from=20 Moon Sea Crossing accompanied by Scott M2 of dreamSTATE Art Bar @ 8pm - The Victory Caf=E9 581 Markham St. (one block west of Bathurst one block south of Bloor) =20 * Thursday, January 12th - Improvisors' Pool Ralph Thornton Centre, 765 Queen Street East East of Broadview and west of De Grassi 7:00-9:00 * Friday January 13 - Tim Posgate's Reduction Trio The debut of a new project that will feature new and old=20 compositions, some Ornette, some standards, some=20 improv...NO Christmas Carols. Jean Martin, drums, Evan=20 Shaw, saxophone, Tim Posgate, guitar (laptop?...Casio?) The Red Guitar Arthouse Cafe - 603 Markham St. 9pm=20 $7 cover * Sunday, January 15th - AIMToronto and the NOW Lounge=20 present the NOW SERIES creative jazz and improvised=20 music series. The NOW Series will be held every Sunday=20 afternoon from 4-7pm at the Now Lounge, 189 Church St=20 with a $6 cover charge. Every other Sunday from 3pm to 4:30 will include a workshop by local creative musicians.=20 These workshops will offer a bi-weekly opportunity for=20 emerging and established artists to discuss/perform various=20 topics in creative music such as improvisation and composition.=20 The workshop will be free with a suggested donation of $5 This week curated by Ken Aldcroft and John Wilson 3:00- Workshop- Scott Thomson 5:00- Hay / Chenaux / Herring / Thomson / Allen w/Jay Hay - Saxophone, Eric Chenaux - guitar, Scott=20 Thomson - trombone, Michael Herring - bass fiddle,=20 Eric Allen - Drums 6:00- Aldcroft / Brenders w/ Ken Aldcroft- guitar,=20 Kyle Brenders- tenor sax . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubscribe' in the e-mail body. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 06:04:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B75E3BEEE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02e601c614e2$7b5f10b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:03:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=192109, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <40TPnD.A.wpF.SzfwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:04:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm resending this to see if I can get the "Re:" removed....to maintain the thread title. CD RELEASE COMMUNICATIONS The following is my strategy, and I'm sure there is more to add to it. You could spend the rest of your life communicating your CD releases! A. Write a concise, professional looking, and informative memo for your CD release. If you are not a good writer, get someone else to write it for you. B. Write it in electronic format and store it on your computer so that you can copy and paste the text into various forums...it save a lot of time and establishes consistency C. Some forums allow images, in which case I would take advantage of this and post a small graphic of the CD cover with your memo. D. Post it on as many relevant online information sharing forums that you can find. E. Here are the forums that I post to for my CD releases. I would be interesting in learning of others! 1. Google Groups / USENET (also accessible via Google Groups Alt.Music.Makers.Electronic (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.makers.electronic?lnk=oa&hl=en Experimental Electronic Music Makers (Google) - http://groups.google.com/group/eemm?lnk=oa&hl=en Free Improvisation Music (Google) - http://groups.google.com/group/Free-Improvisation?lnk=oa&hl=en Rec.Music.Ambient (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.ambient?lnk=oa&hl=en Rec.Music. Experimental (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental?lnk=oa&hl=en Alt.Music.Progressive (USENET) - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.progressive?lnk=oa&hl=en 2. Yahoo Groups Northwest Experimental - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nwexperimental/ Groove Unlimited - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Groove_Unlimited/ Space Music - http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=Electronic+Music&sc=-1&sg=30&ss=1 Experimusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/experimusic/ Odd Music - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/oddmusic/ LoopMusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/loopmusic Search for other groups here: http://groups.yahoo.com/ 3. Other Music Related Discussion Forums Kronosonic - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ UncleDig - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ MP3.com - http://www.mp3.com/forums/forums.html Artist Launch - http://www.indieprops.com/bforum/ Mixposure - http://www.mixposure.com/forum/ ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. E. Examples 1. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_frm/thread/b4691a0ced843448/81e01aedb7e34b6a#81e01aedb7e34b6a 2. http://www.uncledig.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,27/func,view/id,223/catid,2/ 3. http://www.mp3.com/promote-your-music/new-years-day-cd-release-xperimentus-international-collaboration/topic/18-12420/msgs.html 4. http://www.mixposure.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13125 ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. Kris ----- Original Message -----> From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE>>>> I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creativeideas about>> how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion,creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al.>> so that we can all use it as a resource in the future.>>>> The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellentcontributions about this phenomenon>> and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obviousquestion is: Given that, how can we>> maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to becommercially viable artists) and what creative>> things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artistin this economic climate.>>>> WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE>>>>>> I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather,merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future>> for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please createa subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, thata>> lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all)>>>> Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al.>>>> Specifically, in each instance,>> 1) how does one contact these organizations?>> 2) How do they work?>> 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people'sindividual experience with the various vendors.>> 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of.>>>>>>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 06:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF7B3BEE9; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f101c614e2$a4b27100$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:05:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 436, in=196794, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:05:12 +0000 (UTC) GET YOURSELF ON INDEPENDENT MUSICIAN WEBSITES This takes a while, but it will increase your web traffic 10-fold and generate much interest in your music if you write your profile decently. There are hundreds of website services out there that allow you to create a profile, share some of your MP3s, write a bio, share pictures, etc. I only use those that are free. My list is below. Just lick on the URL and go to the home page where you can find a link to sign up. Or use my URL and backspace to the .com. or domain suffic. As with CD release communications, I recommend having a bio and all your material ready before hand, that way you can visit these sites, sign up, get your stuff uploaded, and get our quickly. Artist Direct http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/full/0,,2927643,00.html?artist=Krispen%2BHartung ArtistLaunch http://www.artistlaunch.com/artist7.asp?artistid=7809 ArtistNow.com http://www.artistnow.com/khartung AudioStreet http://www.audiostreet.net/artist.aspx?artistid=20211 Bandspace.com http://www.bandspace.com/KrispenHartung CDart http://www.cdart.com/web1/video/khartung/ Cupio http://www.cupio.de/B00027JCLO/Places.html Music Discovery Network http://creativecenters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=M&Category_Code=HARTUNG Evolution Radio http://www.evolutionradio.org/ FYE http://shop.fye.com/product.aspx?sku=61008657&loc=50244&qu=Krispen%2BHartung GuitarSite - http://www.GuitarSite.com/database/Bands-Artists/rec/7942/ Heavy Confetti http://www.heavyconfetti.com/new/default.asp?active_page_id=19 Hot Bands http://www.hotbands.com/artistpage.php?id=7180 Independent Artists Company (featured / download) http://independentartistscompany.com/kiac/artist.aspx?ID=17912 IndiTunes http://www.indietunes.com/krispenhartung ItsFun.com http://www.itsfun.com/templates/electronica/index.jsp?band=88 iTunes http://www.apple.com/itunes/ Magic Bus Music http://www.mbus.com/bands/genadm/Krispen.Hartung.htm Mixposure http://www.mixposure.com/krispen-hartung Mojam http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung MP3Unsigned.com http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Showband.asp?id=9182 MPERIA www.mperia.com/artists/krispen_hartung Musician's Registry http://www.musiciansregistry.com/ResultsContainer.htm?BandID=CFE3E3A4-A6EC-4078-BE3F9DA53807A0FA New Age Reporter http://www.newagereporter.com/directory/viewartists.asp?page=H Nucleus (Argentina) NumberOne Music (Listen/Featured) http://www.numberonemusic.com/krispenhartung/?PHPSESSID=5c65df0fd16900822a76369c6251ccd4 Purevolume http://www.purevolume.com/KrispenHartung Rocket Radio http://www.rocketradio.com/Krispen%20Hartung Singer/Song Writer Directory http://singer-songwriter.com/artist.php3?id=7199 Soma FM http://www.somafm.com/links/index.html SongRamp http://www.songramp.com/homepage.ez?Who=khartung http://music.download.com/krispenhartung/3600-8503_32-100173249.html?tag=list Soundclick http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung.htm http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/krispenhartung.htm Unsigned Talents http://www.unsignedtalents.com/Profile.asp?butname=792587424 YourMusicNetwork http://www.yourmusicnetwork.net/CD.aspx?ID=061432323624 Zbands http://www.zbands.com/list2.asp?type=band&city=boi&ID=1089 Zed http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?POS=1&user_id=40605&FILTER_KEY=23360&page=content&user=khartung (Canada) Kris> ----- Original Message -----> From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE>>>> I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creativeideas about>> how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion,creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al.>> so that we can all use it as a resource in the future.>>>> The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellentcontributions about this phenomenon>> and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obviousquestion is: Given that, how can we>> maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to becommercially viable artists) and what creative>> things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artistin this economic climate.>>>> WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE>>>>>> I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather,merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future>> for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please createa subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, thata>> lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all)>>>> Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al.>>>> Specifically, in each instance,>> 1) how does one contact these organizations?>> 2) How do they work?>> 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people'sindividual experience with the various vendors.>> 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of.>>>>>>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 08:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7403BEE9; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:28:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:28:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2006, at 3:45, Kris Hartung wrote: > Thanks, Jon. That UPC code is important, I think. A lot of places > won't sell your CD unless you have it, such as Amazon. Also, local > CD retailers love it when you have a UPC code. It's easy to get > from CD Baby, download, and add to you CD Tray graphic. > > Kris Yes, that's a good advice. It's also important to tag the CD with a ISRC code and register the release with your local IFPI authorities. Some digital music file web stores doesn't even take CD's for digital resale if the ISRC code isn't there. Even though Apple is flooding the digital music market by underpricing files at the iTunes Music Store there is a new generation of distributors coming up. These guys handle the logistics (like keeping an online data base and server that serves the actual retail web shops). It's a good idea to find out who is playing the local digital distributor agent at ones local area before printing a thousand discs. Just to keep all doors open. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 08:29:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B353BEDF; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jon Southwood Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:29:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - eno & long time Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43C21EE1.26496.183FF2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:29:30 +0000 (UTC) On 8 Jan 2006 at 19:20, Jon Southwood wrote: > Don't hate the game, hate the playa(s)...Cage had nothing to do with > the 639 year version. It was a 20 minute piano piece that became a 20 > minute organ piece that someone decided to blow out of proportion. I'd sooner be listening to Eno's "Bell Studies for The Clock of The Long Now" - not only beautiful music, but a beautiful concept as well! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 08:32:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 934B43BEF5; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RKVA5mapDakDha7FItQYw9kUBeBDKuLItdv2Ignqd1m6kak0n30h3tvOXPRtjrQ2HkjFW/+fbUTubYOHXsf4bbRpKfCLt+ngVkV6hgglf61XRjve/wjFb9gSJxqATgq8UeUsikQoE8+moBZT42vUUVfEbkN9taHQC7TlJ4T3YiQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:32:29 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) In-Reply-To: <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Flooding? Underpriced? What are you on about? TravisH On 1/9/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, that's a good advice. It's also important to tag the CD with a > ISRC code and register the release with your local IFPI authorities. > Some digital music file web stores doesn't even take CD's for digital > resale if the ISRC code isn't there. Even though Apple is flooding > the digital music market by underpricing files at the iTunes Music > Store there is a new generation of distributors coming up. These guys > handle the logistics (like keeping an online data base and server > that serves the actual retail web shops). It's a good idea to find > out who is playing the local digital distributor agent at ones local > area before printing a thousand discs. Just to keep all doors open. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 09:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A0223BEEE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: DL-4 Question Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:00:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <02ad01c614ce$4b156670$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYUzky+ww+kq1K8TXmnlLfppMqajwALH8Aw Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EvstH268S-0000tb@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Using a 25k Ernie Ball pedal in place of the 10k EX-1 Line6 expression pedal would basically mean there would be a portion of the pedal's travel that had no effect, right? Obviously the 250k pedals don't work for most of their travel (I tried)...but has anyone tried a 25k pedal? What can I expect? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 09:29:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F3C3BEDD; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20060107184324.41001.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9edcde51038410813a229c1c2b91dee6@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:29:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:29:54 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > .../ I thought your claim is light on facts or details. my looping compadre and fellow enthusiast of the loop-ed sound, you are correct. i am light on facts and details. i lied about it being a joke. this man (whose name hasn't been broached to me) did not quit out of hatred of us but fear of being able to complete the task. however, i am so frustrated at being teased in this way i will continue to make light of the situation until i own a second PCM-80 or perhaps Bob Amstadt (ellis island error? Arnstast was a town which JS Bach was teaching latin and writing 6 hrs of music for mass on sundays. an omen?) completes his publisiced task of producing a looping unit which i can mate with. until then i will extemporanise my rumour-filled knowledge of the inner workings of Electrix 2: Electrix Boogaloo until such time as this charlatan has revealed himself to us to be the actual and genuine article or time demonstrates that my dubious source is indeed correct. right now the Electrix mkII site is corroborating my unscrupulous sources. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 09:31:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEF2B3BEE7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: robert fripp answers Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 03:31:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:31:21 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:36 PM, monk wrote: > i mentioned a while ago that my old friend is RF's american tech. only=20= > two folks sent questions.=A0 i realise your deadline has passed, but i have a couple questions: a) does Bob use Italo's factory presets on the H8000s for looping, or=20 did John make some new looping presets in the H8000s? b) does Bob actually have _any_ user presets in the H3000s or does he=20 always use a factory preset as a jumping off point? he does plenty of=20 realtime tweaking ... i mean i've seen him type faster than anyone i've=20= ever seen touch an Eventide furiously punching in new parameter values=20= and such ... but i've noticed that i can go through my H3000SE and name=20= individual soundscape tracks based on the effect. (i might post a=20 database of correlated H3000 presets and RF tracks if anyone's=20 interested. the first couple of weeks i owned mine i went through the=20 manual and wrote down track names and such next to presets i=20 recognised.) c) was it hard for him to contain his laughter at the Vista session? d) did his pants need to be changed when the video was posted to=20 microsoft.com? i can't imagine him being okay with the camera in the=20 room to begin with. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 10:01:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EFD53BEFE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109015905.04556260@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:04:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE In-Reply-To: <02f101c614e2$a4b27100$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <02f101c614e2$a4b27100$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:01:26 +0000 (UTC) At 10:05 PM 1/8/2006, Kris Hartung wrote: >GET YOURSELF ON INDEPENDENT MUSICIAN WEBSITES > >This takes a while, but it will increase your web traffic 10-fold and >generate much interest in your music if you write your profile decently. >There are hundreds of website services out there that allow you to create a >profile, share some of your MP3s, write a bio, share pictures, etc. I only >use those that are free. My list is below. Just lick on the URL and go to >the home page where you can find a link to sign up. Or use my URL and >backspace to the .com. or domain suffic. As with CD release communications, >I recommend having a bio and all your material ready before hand, that way >you can visit these sites, sign up, get your stuff uploaded, and get our >quickly. Don't forget your Looper's Delight profile! http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi Sure, the LD profiles section is in dire need of a facelift and some modernization, but nevertheless it is one of the most popular sections of the site. A LOT of people look through the profiles. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 10:07:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999AE3BEEA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C235FE.7040507@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:07:58 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox wrote: > Last night, I was at a party where a friend told me that he saw my > entire new album for free download at some Sweedish site. WE HAVEN'T > EVEN RELEASED THE DAMN THING, YET!!!! I'm a NOBODY. My band is > UNKNOWN; not Genesis reformed or the Beatles reincarnated. Holy moly. > In the little niche of Progressive Rock, we're not even Spock's > Frelling/Fracking Beard!!! Who the hell would want OUR music? You are certainly somebody, maybe I want your music? I sounds like its worth checking out... > 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can already > get for free? Yes, because nowadays there is only one way to find out if your music counts: If you can encourage people to by the CD. I guess you think its worth it. I believe so too (I'd love to hear it) > 2) I might be flattered that SOMEONE wants my music to be exposed to the > world. But at what cost to me and my band? Can we afford to even > FINISH this CD? Can we afford to ever make another one ever again? This depends how the story ends... In the end it might turn out to be a good advertisement. If its a web site, I'd try to get in contact, to rentain whatever control seems appropriate. Either shut them down, or force them to point them to sales and to encourage the listeners to buy it (and maybe put it up on only 128 kbit). I have no idea what is more profitable. I have no idea how many free downloaders are in the end buying CDs because they came across the music via free downloads. It might be more than without. > 3) I feel betrayed that some trusted friend let our music out to the > world to allow this to happen. All trust worthy friends will now be > punished by not getting so much as advanced CDRs of tunes in progress, > all because of one bad apple. This is the most hurting part. That really hurts. > 4) What is my hard work and dedication worth? See answer to point 2. But in the end it would not make such a difference if the mp3s are out even before the CD is out. If the music is worth it, it will come up somewhere on the net. If not, you should start to think if its worth anything! ;-) For me personally the situation is similar to what Kris explained already. I don't have too much left to spend on CDs. But there are two ways to spend it well: One is I listen to the music live, and I know if I herad a "must buy". The other is I listen to it as mp3, and there are some "must buys" found that way (Bruford Levin Upper Extremities for example). Some rare occasions are sell-outs for 1 Euro or so, where I just take it as it looked interesting, but I couldn't hear it. The average cost considering the percentage of junk is not much cheaper than a list-priced CD, but some surprise discoveries make this technique worthwhile. In the past there where record stores I could trust the taste of the dealer to point me to new horizons. Nowadays its rare, and a list like Loopers Delight is more of a usable resource to find interesting new stuff. I did a lot of mastering for Nuclear Blast, they claim that their CD sales did not decline in the past years. Their products are very much aimed at the fans of that kind of (heavy metal) music. Their products are very much more than just a CD, they have special packaging, an bonus material and the fans are willing to pay for it. They use no DRM at all, I guess all their music is available through P2P networks easily. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 10:31:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB9A3BEF7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C23B9C.7020703@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:31:56 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> <43C03A8B.4090803@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, that's a tempting option. I understand you are very experienced > with Max/MSP, but doesn't it take an awful lot of time to learn the > beast? I've kept the max manual and tutorials on my powerbook for about > two years, but what's keeping me from starting the migration process to > Max is time. Projects and deadlines are coming up all the time and > there's not much time for "non productive" learning periods. Besides, > today I'm getting the impression that before I would have learned to > mock things up the way I want in Max the same, but faster, tools would > be available by Numerology and Apple or XP/Möbius+ Am I totally off > focus here? You are not completely off focus, it does need time to learn, but maybe less than you think. The biggest advantage is, you do not have to learn other tools, with each having its own way of thinking, and the biggest advantage is, you can always adapt it to your specific needs. Which is not possible with Numerology or Möbius. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 10:34:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B7993BEFA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:34:21 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c61508$414c5100$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYUxoOQR0+fNYCAR3SFgGJ79IdglQAQBH3w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:34:31 +0000 (UTC) > That's good for people who enjoy gigging, live where there's > sufficient opportunities, and who offer a compelling > performance experience, but not so good for people in the > sticks who don't shine on stage, or whose music doesn't > translate as well to the live format... Then you have to make it translate well. Or you have to train hard to shine on stage. First, find a way to look cool while operating a laptop (assuming you're using one). A completely hands-(on the computer)free solution with foot controller, data glove and voice control with a throat microphone perhaps? You're not using a laptop and are a looping guitarist? Then translating your performance onto the stage shouldn't be a problem. Jimi Hendrix could do it! Then, include the audience into your performance. Have them sing along. Let them push footswitches or run around on stage in sync to the music or lightshow. Learn to have fun talking to people, addressing people, performing in front of people from a stage. This is the hardest part, if you are not a performer. To avoid any misunderstanding: I do not suggest that you let some of these issues change or corrupt your art. Just keep it how it is - but take it to the people, and don't play Glenn Gould. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 11:16:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5E493BEE9; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KADLUwUOCFIUqKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060109110225.0285d770@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:15:22 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <20060109033931.276843BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060109033931.276843BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:16:37 +0000 (UTC) At 03:39 09/01/06, you wrote: > > Are you saying that I don't get it? I play experimental music too > and have a > > very open mind (heck, check out my Project MRI in the CT Collective). One > > can get yet, yet still call bullshit on the significance or novelty of a > > work. That's my subjective right as an artist and free thinker. > >You can have an open mind and still not get it! ...but the implication is always that there's something to get ;-) >Point is -- I'll bet it sounds good. I like sustained organ tones. how long are you going to sit there for? >And I'll bet it makes you think. An interesting Cage fact:- 4'33 is not a silent piece of music. The score plainly states that the performer should open doors and windows at the venue in order to maximize the amount of background sound. Absence of sound was not the intention, just absence of intentional sound. ...and even Cage would refer to it as "my silent piece", perhaps after the critics had informed him . So who "didn't get it" ? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 14:11:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D3A33BEE7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:10:22 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43C26ECE.7060506@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > That's good for people who enjoy gigging, live where there's > sufficient opportunities, and who offer a compelling performance > experience, but not so good for people in the sticks who don't shine > on stage, or whose music doesn't translate as well to the live > format... > > On 1/8/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing >> (just >> the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your >> fingertips). > Hmmm... Let's see... I'm in a Progressive Rock band. Because our music flies over the heads of the head bangers and blues lovers in the area, there isn't much in the way of gig potential. Philly and NYC are just too far to go unless the rewards are significantly more than $50 each. I'll play for free but you have to pay me to schlep all that gear up from my basement, load the car, drive around using $2.50/gal gas, unload the car, set up the gear, tear down the gear, load the car, drive, unload the car, and schlep the gear back into the basement. Our only hope is to get into some of the Prog festivals like BajaProg, Progfest, NEARfest, ROSfest, CalProg, etc. If we break even on meal, travel, and hotel costs, we're hopeful to recoup our CD expenses and put a dent into financing our next CD. Actually, it looks like we actually do have a slim chance that we might get to play festivals. I much prefer them over bar gigs! Now if we could only get a few local gigs as warmup to the main event... My other bands that have CDs... One is a Celtic influenced band. We do OK on local gigs but CD sales have been onesy-twosy despite the high affluence of our usual crowds. Another band is an electronic music chamber ensemble. We're just too avant-garde to make the sales, even among EM fans. But I love music and I have to do it. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 14:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612FC3BEF4; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <723B7EC1-F90E-4EEB-8C19-0CF5D269A8B2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:26:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7Ug9S.A.QHB.jKnwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Oh, sorry. I should check my English better when posting ;-) Please forget about "flooding", it was just a badly chose word that in my imagination was equal to "underpriced". Someone else had already posted the fact that Apple doesn't make money on selling digital music - the iTMS is just a very clever marketing trick for selling iPOD's, where they gain the money they are loosing on iTMS. So I didn't think I had to repeat that part again. Per On 9 jan 2006, at 09.32, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Flooding? Underpriced? What are you on about? > > TravisH > > On 1/9/06, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Yes, that's a good advice. It's also important to tag the CD with a >> ISRC code and register the release with your local IFPI authorities. >> Some digital music file web stores doesn't even take CD's for digital >> resale if the ISRC code isn't there. Even though Apple is flooding >> the digital music market by underpricing files at the iTunes Music >> Store there is a new generation of distributors coming up. These guys >> handle the logistics (like keeping an online data base and server >> that serves the actual retail web shops). It's a good idea to find >> out who is playing the local digital distributor agent at ones local >> area before printing a thousand discs. Just to keep all doors open. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 14:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529983BEEC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=an2bxNA9Ei9bzTPYCnhLFgy029BwvfR29ij4tEOeLL2/4MdHQJkRZNE23y8rUjRq/KtP067mwXy5CQnoXDYq0Gw3SpDRSIFfamW7HeQ5kzsdaU00yHufXd+sU07ChdN4x9OFguNi7OQGW8DOBtGmUfs7EdGUNS+Ly4Y07HN0du8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:35:59 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? 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ZSB0aGlzIHRyZW5kIGFzIGEgd2FybmluZzogdGhlaXIgZGF5cyBhcmUKbnVtYmVyZWQgaWYgdGhl eSBjb250aW51ZSB0byBmZWVkIGNvbnN1bWVycyBjcmFwLCBkZXN0cm95IHRoZWlyCmNvbXB1dGVy cywgYW5kIHN1ZSB0aGVtLiAgSG93IG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlIHdvdWxkIHlvdSBzdXBwb3J0IHdobyBy YXBlCnlvdXIgbW9tIHRoZW4gcGlzcyBhbGwgb3ZlciBoZXI/Cg== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 14:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1826F3BEEE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:40:55 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-reply-to: <43C235FE.7040507@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43C275F7.4010006@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> <43C235FE.7040507@addcom.de> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your kind words, Stefan. Jim Robinson is absolutely nuts about our CD. He runs the New Jersey Proghouse concert series and let us open for Spock's Beard (15-Nov-2003). We've been in the studio ever since, working on the new CD. Now that the music is done, we're rehearsing to play it live. Jim says that this CD is a quantum leap above our first one, which is at CD Baby. (Sorry for the plug, but there are samples there.) There's only three of us so the overdubs must be selected carefully as to what we play in concert. NO BACKING TRACKS. I'm trying to get the others to think about using loopers where it makes sense. Unfortunately, in the style of prog we practice, not much repeats! Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Bill Fox wrote: > >> Last night, I was at a party where a friend told me that he saw my >> entire new album for free download at some Sweedish site. WE HAVEN'T >> EVEN RELEASED THE DAMN THING, YET!!!! I'm a NOBODY. My band is >> UNKNOWN; not Genesis reformed or the Beatles reincarnated. Holy >> moly. In the little niche of Progressive Rock, we're not even >> Spock's Frelling/Fracking Beard!!! Who the hell would want OUR music? > > You are certainly somebody, maybe I want your music? I sounds like its > worth checking out... Our website is . Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 14:45:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4D63BEE8; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:46:50 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: State of the art loopers In-reply-to: <20060108231710.78727.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c6152b$861b9750$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:45:33 +0000 (UTC) > If there's one thing I've learned is that often > mature is better than state of the art. > > Mark That's why they call it the "bleeding edge". Which (I rush to add, since I'll soon be coming out with a "bleeding edge" product) isn't necessarily bad - depends on how much you need the latest features and what you're willing to put up with to get them... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 15:27:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 234513BEF3; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030901c61531$2677bd00$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:27:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 437, in=208060, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Intereseting. This is the first time I've heard of a ISRC code, seperate from a UPC code. What does that stand for? My CDs are on just about all of the digital music services, and I'm pretty sure I don't have one of those codes. And what is IFPI? These are alien acronyms to me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) > On Jan 9, 2006, at 3:45, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Thanks, Jon. That UPC code is important, I think. A lot of places won't >> sell your CD unless you have it, such as Amazon. Also, local CD >> retailers love it when you have a UPC code. It's easy to get from CD >> Baby, download, and add to you CD Tray graphic. >> >> Kris > > > Yes, that's a good advice. It's also important to tag the CD with a ISRC > code and register the release with your local IFPI authorities. Some > digital music file web stores doesn't even take CD's for digital resale > if the ISRC code isn't there. Even though Apple is flooding the digital > music market by underpricing files at the iTunes Music Store there is a > new generation of distributors coming up. These guys handle the logistics > (like keeping an online data base and server that serves the actual > retail web shops). It's a good idea to find out who is playing the local > digital distributor agent at ones local area before printing a thousand > discs. Just to keep all doors open. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 15:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10E803BEFC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1136820453!19322950!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C71@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: new gadget Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:27:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61531.3546A1C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61531.3546A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Just ordered one from Amazon.com at $109.00.<< sh*t the bed, that's cheap! I think amazon have closed their loophole (npi) or I'd order more from the US instead of getting burned by euro-hiked import pricing. damn. >>Let us know, please - I've been looking for a device for this kind of thing for field recording, and this looks perfect. If, of course, it's not rubbish<< I hooked it up to my two sony jukebox 400-disc cd players (both on random, & crossfading back & forth every 90 seconds- I fill hours of minidisc like this & then try to identify each excerpt.... great fun) & filled up a 1Gb memory stick, which I then dragged into vegas on my pc. all looks to be in order, & there don't appear to be any nasty noises or glitches or anything. their caveat is to make sure y'r target storage is either completely empty or recently defragged. I haven't tried it with a hard-drive yet, but that's next.... I have one of these IDE-USB converter things. if it supports that, it will be able to record for hours & hours.... oh. the battery life isn't too hot. d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61531.3546A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: new gadget

>>Just ordered one from Amazon.com at = $109.00.<<

sh*t the bed, that's cheap! I think amazon have = closed their loophole (npi) or I'd order more from the US instead of = getting burned by euro-hiked import pricing. damn.

>>Let us know, please - I've been looking for a = device for this kind of thing for field recording, and this looks = perfect. If, of course, it's not rubbish<<

I hooked it up to my two sony jukebox 400-disc cd = players (both on random, & crossfading back & forth every 90 = seconds- I fill hours of minidisc like this & then try to identify = each excerpt.... great fun) & filled up a 1Gb memory stick, which I = then dragged into vegas on my pc.

all looks to be in order, & there don't appear to = be any nasty noises or glitches or anything.

their caveat is to make sure y'r target storage is = either completely empty or recently defragged. I haven't tried it with = a hard-drive yet, but that's next.... I have one of these IDE-USB = converter things. if it supports that, it will be able to record for = hours & hours....

oh. the battery life isn't too hot.

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61531.3546A1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 15:29:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4689C3BEFB; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032a01c61531$759e7ea0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <02f101c614e2$a4b27100$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060109015905.04556260@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:29:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=192216, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes, Flint. I took LD for granted here. Thanks for pointing that out. And don't forget to file archive to post our songs and videos! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > At 10:05 PM 1/8/2006, Kris Hartung wrote: >>GET YOURSELF ON INDEPENDENT MUSICIAN WEBSITES >> >>This takes a while, but it will increase your web traffic 10-fold and >>generate much interest in your music if you write your profile decently. >>There are hundreds of website services out there that allow you to create >>a >>profile, share some of your MP3s, write a bio, share pictures, etc. I only >>use those that are free. My list is below. Just lick on the URL and go to >>the home page where you can find a link to sign up. Or use my URL and >>backspace to the .com. or domain suffic. As with CD release >>communications, >>I recommend having a bio and all your material ready before hand, that way >>you can visit these sites, sign up, get your stuff uploaded, and get our >>quickly. > > Don't forget your Looper's Delight profile! > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi > > Sure, the LD profiles section is in dire need of a facelift and some > modernization, but nevertheless it is one of the most popular sections of > the site. A LOT of people look through the profiles. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 15:37:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF9613BEF9; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,347,1131339600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="2002907420:sNHT303975848" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C71@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C71@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--399915572 Message-Id: From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: new gadget Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:37:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:37:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--399915572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed These people have it for $109: http://www.audio-discounters.com/ikey.html But I got Musician's Friend to match the price since I've never heard of Audio Discounters and I couldn't find anything on their site or the web to convince me they really exist. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:27 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Just ordered one from Amazon.com at $109.00.<< > > sh*t the bed, that's cheap! I think amazon have closed their > loophole (npi) or I'd order more from the US instead of getting > burned by euro-hiked import pricing. damn. > > >>Let us know, please - I've been looking for a device for this > kind of thing for field recording, and this looks perfect. If, of > course, it's not rubbish<< > > I hooked it up to my two sony jukebox 400-disc cd players (both on > random, & crossfading back & forth every 90 seconds- I fill hours > of minidisc like this & then try to identify each excerpt.... great > fun) & filled up a 1Gb memory stick, which I then dragged into > vegas on my pc. > > all looks to be in order, & there don't appear to be any nasty > noises or glitches or anything. > > their caveat is to make sure y'r target storage is either > completely empty or recently defragged. I haven't tried it with a > hard-drive yet, but that's next.... I have one of these IDE-USB > converter things. if it supports that, it will be able to record > for hours & hours.... > > oh. the battery life isn't too hot. > > d. > --Apple-Mail-1--399915572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 These people have it for = $109:


But I got Musician's Friend = to match the price since I've never heard of Audio Discounters and I = couldn't find anything on their site or the web to convince me they = really exist.


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On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:27 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com = wrote:

>>Just ordered one from = Amazon.com at $109.00.<<

sh*t the = bed, that's cheap! I think amazon have closed their loophole (npi) or = I'd order more from the US instead of getting burned by euro-hiked = import pricing. damn.

>>Let us know, = please - I've been looking for a device for this kind of thing for field = recording, and this looks perfect. If, of course, it's not = rubbish<<

I hooked it up to my two = sony jukebox 400-disc cd players (both on random, & crossfading back = & forth every 90 seconds- I fill hours of minidisc like this & = then try to identify each excerpt.... great fun) & filled up a 1Gb = memory stick, which I then dragged into vegas on my pc. =

all looks to be in order, & there = don't appear to be any nasty noises or glitches or anything. =

their caveat is to make sure y'r target storage = is either completely empty or recently defragged. I haven't tried it = with a hard-drive yet, but that's next.... I have one of these IDE-USB = converter things. if it supports that, it will be able to record for = hours & hours....

oh. the battery life = isn't too hot.

d.

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= --Apple-Mail-1--399915572-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:07:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4953BEF4; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EzB9h5Ip5AcZbjWK7rtecIM8mylbLEDMzPpF/cNHTNEkFPsIpqES/rwrQuv0NrBk; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006119171415900@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:14:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94006e85fad760bf95e9b51789c551e16ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:07:53 +0000 (UTC) I concur...Mad Magazine called it "middle-class poverty"--all the basics of life, but no savings and no real room for frivolities. I've been sporadically employed since May of 2000 (!), and sometimes even that cup of joe seems extravagant. I'm one of those people who has a good home and a reliable car and enough to eat, and I'm grateful to The Great Whomever, BUT because of the on-again-off-again job scene and household/family expenses, I have jack sh*t to spend on my greatest love, music. So I, like many, many other people, am in the awkward position of being simulatneously frustrated *and* guilt-ridden....the needling little voice that tells me "true, you cannot afford a $10 guitar strap because you have $13K in credit card debt, but at least you didn't lose everything in New Orleans,etc etc etc" In short, I cannot bitch when someone tells me he doesn't have money for my CD, because most of the time I am in the same boat and I know exactly what he means. If I could, I would buy every Loopie's discs ;-) > [Original Message] > From: Kris Hartung > To: > Date: 1/8/2006 3:18:45 PM > Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > we'll have to agree to disagree. There are plenty of people who go to > coffeeshops who can't afford buy every CD of each artist they see > there....maybe not even one CD. Shit, I hear people say this ALL of the > time..."Gee, I wish I could buy your CD, but I'm just strapped for cash." > Just because they buy a cup of coffee for $1.50, doesn't mean they can > afford to buy a CD. Their budget may be completely set and allowing for a > few cups of coffee a week, but not CD. I'll I'm trying to get you to admit > is that there are people who frequent coffee shops who can't afford CDs, > that's all. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > > The coffeeshops cater to people with disposable income, because coffee > is a non-necessity, and paying someone else to make food or drink for > you is a luxury. The free-riders are an unintended and largely > undesired side-effect of having an open door and being unwilling to > boot people who aren't buying enough. > > A coffee store that has live music isn't catering to the proletariat. > I find that coffee-serving establishments with live music seem to be > the same in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Bellingham, Portland, Coeur > d'Alene, Woodinville, Carlisle, St. Andrews, Dundee, Houston, Dallas, > San Antonio, Fort Worth, Vancouver, etc. If someone's got $1.50 for a > cup of coffee, they've got $5 for a CD of something they really like. > I'm not playing in greasy spoons for the indigent. > > TravisH > > On 1/8/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Although I wouldn't agree that all coffeshops cater to people with > > disposable income. I meet a lot of starving artists and students at > > coffeeshops who are NOT buying $4 lattes and mochas, but the $1.50 > > plain cup of joe. They can't afford CDs, but love to sit and listen to > > the music, read the free paper neareby, etc. Maybe you have a lot > > of yuppies in Seattle who hang out in coffeeshops and are blowing > > lots of cash on CDs, $300 express makers, etc...not here. Have you > > seen your mean income in Seatte lately? I've frequented Seattle > > coffeshops > > many times. I see a lot of people who dress and drive wealthy. You won't > > see that here in Boise very often, at least in a coffeeshop. Hence, I > > think > > your point on coffeeshops is relative. I think you point is more valid in > > regard to nice restaurants, wine bars, and galleries, however. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:30:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AEDF3BEF7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matilists@atarde.com.br@pop3.atarde.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:29:07 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Linsey Pollak and Tunji Beier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:30:15 +0000 (UTC) I was lucky to meet the Australian duo Dva (Tunji Beier - Linsey Pollak) here in Salvador/BR at the best anual festival: http://www.mercadocultural.org (send you stuff in, they had a loop act every year...) We know Tunji from his brilliant presentation with Matthias Loibner in Zurich. But it seems we never mentioned Linsey here? He appeared twice in the program: first with the duo: http://www.tunji.org/dva/instruments.html then solo in the circus of the avant garde school where the festival grew out from. He sais he has about 7 projects going and I could not find the link to the right one (he does not seem to have a site of his own), but this one gives an idea: http://www.realtimearts.net/qbfm03/sat/reid_cabaret.html both shows were totally loop based, Tunji using a Repeater and Linsey a Roland RC20. unfortunately they cannot be synced so they used either percussion or woodwinds loops. Since Linsay produces very low sounds, together they could have built much ritcher grooves. Anyway, it sounded great the way it was! Tunji is a great virtuoso with a ritch background, grown up in africa and having studied for years in India... really quick and subtle... but what really blow my instrument creators mind was the work of Linsey! During the duo he mostly used glass "wood" whind instruments. While low flutes and saxophones tend to become very big and need a complex mechanic because the fingers cannot be spread enough to close the holes that need a distance given by physics, he simply bypassed both problems by turning the instrument in a spiral or wave form! It also looks really beautifull! in the solo show he built the instruments while playing! for example he loops some notes blown on a simple tube, a groove with one tuning. while its playing on he keeps cutting pieces of the tube to achieve other notes and loops them on top, so that in the end there is a melody and he throws the last bit of tube behind him! So it goes on with drilling holes into carrots and whatnot... its fun, sounds good and kids understand the physics of instruments without words... in each instrument he grabs, he sticks either the one piezo mic or the small condenser mic, its so simple and understandable... And, last but not least at all: they are great people to be with. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:35:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35EF13BEE0; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3niZujTtp1XQ4y3jD6ydzaeP1Lhqo3Y1Az/7HlDg9cFg6yE4Qxu5yGwRpc0wEGtyURWTYGNUYTAr8gjqXNQU267/7coroJHkleSgvQUtpnxIzv9Tzpmdfi7ai6zxuD9OJgtVTSKOzDmc0lvmnflEaHPhEC8Jda+/hKveRxA6QMA= ; Message-ID: <20060109173524.74225.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:35:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: New EHX Looper Rumor? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Someone over on the HC Fx Forum says that Electro-Harmonix is releasing something called a "2880 Super Multi-Track Looper" sometime this year. No details other than it has a list price of $698 for the looper & $186 for the foot controller. I thought those of you attending NAMM might keep your eyes peeled for it. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 17:48:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F0583BEFE; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matilists@atarde.com.br@pop3.atarde.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109015905.04556260@loopers-delight.com> References: <02f101c614e2$a4b27100$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060109015905.04556260@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:31:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:48:07 +0000 (UTC) > >Don't forget your Looper's Delight profile! >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi > >Sure, the LD profiles section is in dire need of a facelift and some >modernization, but nevertheless it is one of the most popular >sections of the site. A LOT of people look through the profiles. Kim, are you sure that the people really look through it? there are a lot of equipment names, so I suppose people find the page at google (as ist came up to me often), then see that there is no info about the equipment and leave... ...and you have to pay for the high traffic in vain... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:12:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B600C3BEF5; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a101c61548$4ab125f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:12:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039E_01C6150D.9D54B410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -melinda -middleton +exec -boundary -church -baker -forged -inspiration -cute X-Aspam: URLS scored 3.0 inspirationlist.com amazon.com X-Aspam: Best match was sample d:\bad\2075230929.tmp X-Aspam: Total 3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=192437, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C6150D.9D54B410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SERVICES THAT CAN SELL YOUR CD: AMAZON ADVANTAGE Website: http://www.amazon.com/advantage =20 FAQ: = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/partners/direct/advantage/faq-mem= bers.html/103-5591612-5201424 Description = (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/partners/direct/advantage-for-mu= sic.html/103-5591612-5201424): Join Amazon.com Advantage for Music and make it easy for millions of = fans worldwide to discover and buy your music.=20 Amazon.com Advantage is a complete promotion and distribution system for = independent musicians. When you join Amazon.com Advantage, you're = putting your CD in the Internet's busiest music store, right next to CDs = from major label bands. There are no exclusive contracts, so you're not = limited in how you promote and sell your music.=20 What do members get?=20 a.. An Amazon.com page with track listings, space for customer = reviews, bios, cover art, and liner notes.=20 b.. MP3 downloads to help fans discover your music--and buy your CDs.=20 c.. Free stocking, shipping, and cover scanning.=20 d.. Full access to your sales, inventory, and payment reports.=20 e.. Quick payment terms and automatic reordering.=20 Read more about the full benefits of Advantage for Music. Have a question or need to send us e-mail? Check out the Advantage Music = FAQ Fees/Cost: Annual fee of $29.95=20 Percentage of CD Sales: 55% Digital Distribution to other services? No. MP3 downloads on site? Yes. You can choose to have some of your MP3 put = on their Music Downloads pages, where you can get on their charts: = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/535878/ref=3Dbr_lr__2/103-5= 591612-5201424 Example download page for artists: = http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung=20 How to Sign Up:=20 First, familiarize yourself with our complete membership agreement and = instructions & rules. Then apply to the Advantage Program using our = simple online application form. After receiving your application, we = will send you e-mail (typically within one to two weeks) indicating = whether your titles have been accepted into the program. (See these rules and form at = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/partners/direct/advantage/home.ht= ml/ref=3Dadv_ld_advl/103-5591612-5201424) Pros: You're on Amazon! (along with all the professional artists in the = industry); they will make samples of your soundclips for your main = page; people can write reviews of your CD and post; half-way decent = reports to track sales Cons: Annual fee (not good of your sales don't exceed it); have to have = a UPC code to submit you work; high percentage of sales taken (55%) = relative to other services; it is not easy to upate your artwork, artist = description, etc...must fill out form, and it is not immediate; do not = allow you to sell your MP3s, only offer for free download;=20 > I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creative = ideas=20 > about > how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online = promotion,=20 > creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al. > so that we can all use it as a resource in the future. >=20 > The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellent = contributions=20 > about this phenomenon > and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obvious=20 > question is: Given that, how can we > maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to be=20 > commercially viable artists) and what creative > things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine = artist in=20 > this economic climate. >=20 > WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE >=20 >=20 > I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather, = > merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future > for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please = create a=20 > subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, = that a > lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all) >=20 > Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al. >=20 > Specifically, in each instance, > 1) how does one contact these organizations? > 2) How do they work? > 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people's = individual=20 > experience with the various vendors. > 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of. >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C6150D.9D54B410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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First, familiarize yourself with our = complete=20 membership agreement and instructions &=20 rules. Then apply to the = Advantage Program=20 using our simple online application form.=20 After receiving your application, we will send you e-mail (typically = within one=20 to two weeks) indicating whether your titles have been accepted into the = program.
(See these rules and form at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/partners/direct/advantag= e/home.html/ref=3Dadv_ld_advl/103-5591612-5201424)
 
Pros: You're on = Amazon! (along=20 with all the professional artists in the industry);  they will make = samples=20 of your soundclips for your main page; people can write reviews of your = CD and=20 post; half-way decent reports to track sales
 
Cons: Annual fee (not = good of your=20 sales don't exceed it); have to have a UPC code to submit you work; high = percentage of sales taken (55%) relative to other services; it is not = easy to=20 upate your artwork, artist description, etc...must fill out form, and it = is not=20 immediate; do not allow you to sell your MP3s, only offer for free = download;=20

 
> I'd like to propose a series of threads to = collate all of=20 the creative ideas
> about
> how we can sell ourselves, = both=20 through online sales,  online promotion,
> creating = gigs, =20 creating new venues, et. al.
> so that we can all use it as a = resource in=20 the future.
>
> The thread,  CD SALES DECLINING has = had some=20 really excellent contributions
> about this phenomenon
> = and noone=20 disputing the observation of the trend.    The next = obvious=20
> question is:    Given that,  how can = we
>=20 maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to be =
>=20 commercially viable artists) and what creative
> things can we do = to=20 create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artist in
> this = economic=20 climate.
>
> WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES:   = ONLINE
>=20
>
> I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this = thread, but=20 rather,
> merely list resources for the purpose of quick = reference in the=20 future
> for looping artists.   For the future of quick=20 reference,  please create a
> subthread if you'd like to = discuss=20 philosophy (I know, as an example, that a
> lot of people don't = even=20 believe in selling art at all)
>
> Kris and others have = mentioned=20 CD Baby,  Itunes, Amazon, et. al.
>
> Specifically, in = each=20 instance,
> 1) how does one contact these organizations?
> = 2) How do=20 they work?
> 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative = about=20 people's individual
> experience with the various = vendors.
> 4) Any=20 other pertinent information one might think of.
>
>=20
> ------=_NextPart_000_039E_01C6150D.9D54B410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:22:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D3053BEF7; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <030901c61531$2677bd00$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> <030901c61531$2677bd00$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F659AFA-8846-41F2-82B1-FC2C041FFFAD@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:22:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:22:09 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jan 2006, at 16.27, Kris Hartung wrote: > Intereseting. This is the first time I've heard of a ISRC code, > seperate from a UPC code. What does that stand for? My CDs are on > just about all of the digital music services, and I'm pretty sure I > don't have one of those codes. And what is IFPI? These are alien > acronyms to me. http://www.ifpi.org/ http://www.ifpi.org/isrc/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:26:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129943BF05; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Jan 2006 18:26:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:26:08 -0500 Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060109182608.5C1C73384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Kris- Thanks for the list of potential places to post stuff re: CD releass, etc..= I'm usually pretty pessimistic about geting my stuff out there, and=20 have to keep reminding myself that "failures" are simply part of the overal= l strategy leading to successes. If you send your info to 10=20 places and 9 of them have no effect, but 1 of them does, that is a success! Cheers Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:03:57 -0700 >=20 > I'm resending this to see if I can get the "Re:" removed....to=20 > maintain the thread title. >=20 > CD RELEASE COMMUNICATIONS >=20 > The following is my strategy, and I'm sure there is more to add to it. You > could spend the rest of your life communicating your CD releases! >=20 > A. Write a concise, professional looking, and informative memo for your CD > release. If you are not a good writer, get someone else to write it for > you. >=20 > B. Write it in electronic format and store it on your computer so that you > can copy and paste the text into various forums...it save a lot of time a= nd > establishes consistency >=20 > C. Some forums allow images, in which case I would take advantage of this > and post a small graphic of the CD cover with your memo. >=20 > D. Post it on as many relevant online information sharing forums that you > can find. >=20 > E. Here are the forums that I post to for my CD releases. I would be > interesting in learning of others! >=20 > 1. Google Groups / USENET (also accessible via Google Groups >=20 > Alt.Music.Makers.Electronic (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.makers.electronic?lnk=3Doa&hl=3D= en > Experimental Electronic Music Makers (Google) - > http://groups.google.com/group/eemm?lnk=3Doa&hl=3Den > Free Improvisation Music (Google) - > http://groups.google.com/group/Free-Improvisation?lnk=3Doa&hl=3Den > Rec.Music.Ambient (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.ambient?lnk=3Doa&hl=3Den > Rec.Music. Experimental (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental?lnk=3Doa&hl=3Den > Alt.Music.Progressive (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.progressive?lnk=3Doa&hl=3Den >=20 > 2. Yahoo Groups >=20 > Northwest Experimental - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nwexperimental/ > Groove Unlimited - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Groove_Unlimited/ > Space Music - > http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=3DElectronic+Music&sc=3D-1&sg=3D30&s= s=3D1 > Experimusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/experimusic/ > Odd Music - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/oddmusic/ > LoopMusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/loopmusic >=20 > Search for other groups here: http://groups.yahoo.com/ >=20 > 3. Other Music Related Discussion Forums >=20 > Kronosonic - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ > UncleDig - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ > MP3.com - http://www.mp3.com/forums/forums.html > Artist Launch - http://www.indieprops.com/bforum/ > Mixposure - http://www.mixposure.com/forum/ >=20 > ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. >=20 > E. Examples >=20 > 1. > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_frm/thread/b= 4691a0ced843448/ 81e01aedb7e34b6a#81e01aedb7e34b6a 2. http://www.uncledig.com/component/opti= on,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,27/func,view/ id,223/catid,2/ 3. http://www.mp3.com/promote-your-music/new-years-day-cd-r= elease-xperimentus-international-collaboration/ topic/18-12420/msgs.html 4. http://www.mixposure.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t= =3D13125 ...and many more, if you use Google to find=20 them. Kris ----- Original Message -----> From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM> Subje= ct: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE>>>> I'd like to=20 propose a series of threads to collate all of the creativeideas about>> how= we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online=20 promotion,creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al.>> so that we can all= use it as a resource in the future.>>>> The thread, CD SALES=20 DECLINING has=20 > had > some really excellentcontributions about this phenomenon>> and=20 > noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next=20 > obviousquestion is: Given that, how can we>> maximize our sales=20 > (if we are attempting like many of us are, to becommercially viable=20 > artists) and what creative>> things can we do to create a new=20 > paradigm for surviving as a fine artistin this economic=20 > climate.>>>> WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE>>>>>> I'd propose=20 > that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather,merely=20 > list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future>>=20 > for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please=20 > createa subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as=20 > an example, thata>> lot of people don't even believe in selling art=20 > at all)>>>> Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes,=20 > Amazon, et. al.>>>> Specifically, in each instance,>> 1) how does=20 > one contact these organizations?>> 2) How do they work?>> 3) Maybe=20 > a little critique, posit > ive or negative about people'sindividual experience with the=20 > various vendors.>> 4) Any other pertinent information one might=20 > think of.>>>>>>> --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:37:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084E93BF0A; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03b101c6154b$b7ba05b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060109182608.5C1C73384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:37:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 438, in=208312, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2wvolB.A.BO.g1qwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:37:20 +0000 (UTC) That's right, Joe. I play this type of promotion like a numbers game. I don't have a lot of emotional attachment to these services or communiation methos, except that Mixposure.com is pretty damn cool and a good way to get reviews quickly. So I simply find them on the web, submit my content as fast as possible, and get out. I keep a running list of them so that I can go back and update my info once in a while. I did that for a month straight until my Google search results increased 10 fold. I have made a lot of contacts and generated a lot of interest in my music this way. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Kris- Thanks for the list of potential places to post stuff re: CD releass, etc.. I'm usually pretty pessimistic about geting my stuff out there, and have to keep reminding myself that "failures" are simply part of the overall strategy leading to successes. If you send your info to 10 places and 9 of them have no effect, but 1 of them does, that is a success! Cheers Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:03:57 -0700 > > I'm resending this to see if I can get the "Re:" removed....to > maintain the thread title. > > CD RELEASE COMMUNICATIONS > > The following is my strategy, and I'm sure there is more to add to it. You > could spend the rest of your life communicating your CD releases! > > A. Write a concise, professional looking, and informative memo for your CD > release. If you are not a good writer, get someone else to write it for > you. > > B. Write it in electronic format and store it on your computer so that you > can copy and paste the text into various forums...it save a lot of time > and > establishes consistency > > C. Some forums allow images, in which case I would take advantage of this > and post a small graphic of the CD cover with your memo. > > D. Post it on as many relevant online information sharing forums that you > can find. > > E. Here are the forums that I post to for my CD releases. I would be > interesting in learning of others! > > 1. Google Groups / USENET (also accessible via Google Groups > > Alt.Music.Makers.Electronic (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.makers.electronic?lnk=oa&hl=en > Experimental Electronic Music Makers (Google) - > http://groups.google.com/group/eemm?lnk=oa&hl=en > Free Improvisation Music (Google) - > http://groups.google.com/group/Free-Improvisation?lnk=oa&hl=en > Rec.Music.Ambient (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.ambient?lnk=oa&hl=en > Rec.Music. Experimental (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental?lnk=oa&hl=en > Alt.Music.Progressive (USENET) - > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.progressive?lnk=oa&hl=en > > 2. Yahoo Groups > > Northwest Experimental - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nwexperimental/ > Groove Unlimited - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Groove_Unlimited/ > Space Music - > http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=Electronic+Music&sc=-1&sg=30&ss=1 > Experimusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/experimusic/ > Odd Music - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/oddmusic/ > LoopMusic - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/loopmusic > > Search for other groups here: http://groups.yahoo.com/ > > 3. Other Music Related Discussion Forums > > Kronosonic - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ > UncleDig - http://kronoson.station185.com/kronosonic/forum/ > MP3.com - http://www.mp3.com/forums/forums.html > Artist Launch - http://www.indieprops.com/bforum/ > Mixposure - http://www.mixposure.com/forum/ > > ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. > > E. Examples > > 1. > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.experimental/browse_frm/thread/b4691a0ced843448/ 81e01aedb7e34b6a#81e01aedb7e34b6a 2. http://www.uncledig.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,27/func,view/ id,223/catid,2/ 3. http://www.mp3.com/promote-your-music/new-years-day-cd-release-xperimentus-international-collaboration/ topic/18-12420/msgs.html 4. http://www.mixposure.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13125 ...and many more, if you use Google to find them. Kris ----- Original Message -----> From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE>>>> I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creativeideas about>> how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion,creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al.>> so that we can all use it as a resource in the future.>>>> The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has > had > some really excellentcontributions about this phenomenon>> and > noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next > obviousquestion is: Given that, how can we>> maximize our sales > (if we are attempting like many of us are, to becommercially viable > artists) and what creative>> things can we do to create a new > paradigm for surviving as a fine artistin this economic > climate.>>>> WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE>>>>>> I'd propose > that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather,merely > list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future>> > for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please > createa subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as > an example, thata>> lot of people don't even believe in selling art > at all)>>>> Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, > Amazon, et. al.>>>> Specifically, in each instance,>> 1) how does > one contact these organizations?>> 2) How do they work?>> 3) Maybe > a little critique, posit > ive or negative about people'sindividual experience with the > various vendors.>> 4) Any other pertinent information one might > think of.>>>>>>> -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:39:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23B653BF02; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1136831942!30980199!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C7E@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New EHX Looper Rumor? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:39:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6154B.F4D77810" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:39:06 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6154B.F4D77810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Someone over on the HC Fx Forum says that Electro-Harmonix is releasing something called a "2880 Super Multi-Track Looper" sometime this year. No details other than it has a list price of $698 for the looper & $186 for the foot controller....<< blah blah..... ron? mr EH man? what say you? to my untrained eye, this has the look about it of "if we start a rumour that we're making a new multitrack looper for less than a grand, we'll quickly get some idea from these mailing list types whether or not it's worth bothering". d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6154B.F4D77810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New EHX Looper Rumor?

>>Someone over on the HC Fx Forum says that = Electro-Harmonix is releasing something called a "2880 Super = Multi-Track Looper" sometime this year. No details other than it = has a list price of $698 for the looper & $186 for the foot = controller....<<

blah blah..... ron? mr EH man? what say you?  to = my untrained eye, this has the look about it of "if we start a = rumour that we're making a new multitrack looper for less than a grand, = we'll quickly get some idea from these mailing list types whether or = not it's worth bothering".

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6154B.F4D77810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 18:50:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD24B3BF0D; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 9 Jan 2006 18:50:43 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:50:43 -0500 Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060109185043.C745AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) My friend Lucio (my musical foil in Lumper/Splitter) read an article once a= bout CD sales at live gigs wherein the author suggested the=20 following: When you are done playing you have, as a generalization, about 5 to 10 minu= tes to capitalize on any interest you have created during your=20 set to sell CDs. Set down your instrument, grab a stack of CDs, and walk i= nto the crowd. Do not walk up to your friends and receive=20 obligatory pats on the back about how good your set was. Walk up to a stra= nger and ask if they would be interested in purchasing a CD,=20 holding one out towards them as you do so. Repeat as necessary. Now to sensibilities, this sounds a bit crass. I feel a bit cheesey doing = it this way. But when you are on tour, and need to buy gas, food, and=20 lodging, and you to sell some CDs, damnit, you might try this. He tried th= is when touring with his old band Ramona The Pest and reports=20 that CD sales went WAY up. He would walk towards people and they would oft= en reach for their wallet before he even said anything.=20=20 Remember, *playing* music is NOT the same thing as *selling* music. If you= want to live in a idealized world where CDs magically sell like=20 hotcakes because your set was so smokin', that's OK. But if you want to ac= tually "move some units" there are other ways to sell your CD. It can also be rude if there is a band coming on after you that is waiting = to set up and you leave your stuff where it is and start selling stuff.=20= =20 Maybe you can inform them ahead of time that you are spending 5 -10 min sel= ling directly after your set. Maybe you can have a friend=20 break your gear down for you while you sell? Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. It's hard for me to use thi= s approach (I use it sparingly) because I often feel guilty, like I'm=20 putting people on the spot. But I've also had people buy CDs this way, and= then email me later telling me how glad they are to have the=20 CD! Cheers Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:37:58 -0500 >=20 > And for those that sell them at gigs- what do you use to transport them? = And > what do you use to display your CD? Do you bring someone with you to sell, > or do you wait until you are done playing and try to get people to buy? >=20 > Currently, I have my g/f who comes with me and sits by the CDs. I try not= to > do the hard sell/begging thing during gigs over the mic, which, when I am= an > audience member, I can't stand. I carry them in a round piece of vintage > luggage, which has some foam in there so the various CDs don't bang aroun= d. > I have a laminated insert for each CD so people can pick it up and see wh= at > they are buying. I don't have any kind of display rack, so I am open to a= ny > ideas. Small and durable are the requirements. >=20 > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:32:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17B553BEF1; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060109173524.74225.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060109173524.74225.qmail@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1e29a84c8297c91d6b81a7d8cae53b44@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: New EHX Looper Rumor? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:32:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:32:46 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > Someone over on the HC Fx Forum says that here's a link to the thread. looks pretty damn legit: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1130106 it would be pretty nuts if EH was the one company keeping this year's NAMM show from being a total snooze-fest. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:38:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 759573BEF0; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:38:11 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: foot (cont) roller In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that I I've never seen somewhere. If it exists please tell me. I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't know the precise english term). I put a (very simple) sketch at http://matthias.loibner.net/files/contRoller.jpg It should have an endless rotary encoder and send relative continuos controller data. I think it has some advanteges compared to a pedal. When you switch the function of the pedal at your hardware or in your software, the parameter you wish to control can have a different value from the position of the pedal, so you need either to adapt the pedal to the needed position, or as relative movement you might not have enough way to control what you want. The roller could be more subtle to change a value, when you touch it. With a pedal I always fear to touch it too hard or accidentely. I guess a pedal is much better for controls where your movement is part of the music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud do a better job. 1st of all: what do you think? 2nd: I've got a friend and can maybe persuade him to build me one or two of these rollers. Is there anybody on the list who could imagine to be interested in having abother one. This is not an order. I even can't tell if he will do it at the moment. But if he can make an amount like 10 he is maybe easier to convince to do it sooner. Matthias (L) ___________________________ http://matthias.loibner.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5010A3BF06; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:38:54 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <926339421.20060109203854@gmx.net> To: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Linsey Pollak and Tunji Beier In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2_EHkB.A.c9B.ovrwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:39:20 +0000 (UTC) thank you for mentioning Linsey Pollak on the list. He is a really great (loop) artist and absolutely nice guy. In his shows I always appreciate, when he starts to play music on selfmade instruments, most of the audience is expecting something that sounds like music, but then he just plays more beautiful then you often have the chance to listen to. Unfortunately he does not have a website, it could be filled with good and funny stuff. Matthias (L) ___________________________ http://matthias.loibner.net MG> I was lucky to meet the Australian duo Dva (Tunji Beier - Linsey MG> Pollak) here in Salvador/BR at the best anual festival: MG> http://www.mercadocultural.org MG> (send you stuff in, they had a loop act every year...) MG> We know Tunji from his brilliant presentation with Matthias Loibner in Zurich. MG> But it seems we never mentioned Linsey here? MG> He appeared twice in the program: MG> first with the duo: MG> http://www.tunji.org/dva/instruments.html MG> then solo in the circus of the avant garde school where the festival MG> grew out from. He sais he has about 7 projects going and I could not MG> find the link to the right one (he does not seem to have a site of MG> his own), but this one gives an idea: MG> http://www.realtimearts.net/qbfm03/sat/reid_cabaret.html MG> both shows were totally loop based, Tunji using a Repeater and Linsey MG> a Roland RC20. unfortunately they cannot be synced so they used MG> either percussion or woodwinds loops. Since Linsay produces very low MG> sounds, together they could have built much ritcher grooves. MG> Anyway, it sounded great the way it was! MG> Tunji is a great virtuoso with a ritch background, grown up in africa MG> and having studied for years in India... really quick and subtle... MG> but what really blow my instrument creators mind was the work of Linsey! MG> During the duo he mostly used glass "wood" whind instruments. While MG> low flutes and saxophones tend to become very big and need a complex MG> mechanic because the fingers cannot be spread enough to close the MG> holes that need a distance given by physics, he simply bypassed both MG> problems by turning the instrument in a spiral or wave form! It also MG> looks really beautifull! MG> in the solo show he built the instruments while playing! for example MG> he loops some notes blown on a simple tube, a groove with one tuning. MG> while its playing on he keeps cutting pieces of the tube to achieve MG> other notes and loops them on top, so that in the end there is a MG> melody and he throws the last bit of tube behind him! So it goes on MG> with drilling holes into carrots and whatnot... its fun, sounds good MG> and kids understand the physics of instruments without words... MG> in each instrument he grabs, he sticks either the one piezo mic or MG> the small condenser mic, its so simple and understandable... MG> And, last but not least at all: they are great people to be with. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:44:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8423BF0E; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gIUNL13AN4dJGCX+5OzSO0t5b4Zkcnb5GRXd8MD3einhRz0FJg6HTXuvdy2FVrTMlHHf7WLp4X7Cex0Y//NZJoEyUDuf+MeVfSwGOgl6lkZZyhSmdGB92z6+xqcOHYVFCtgaqKG7gzn79BYQvwdNsknv+CyiBvXbRdneLHI+T/o= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:44:21 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: LD Subject: Re: foot (cont) roller In-Reply-To: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) I certainly prefer the Boomerang's roller control to a volume pedal type controller, but in a programmable situation I think that you'd need some LED's or some readout to show you what the software value you were controlling with the roller was currently set to. make the roller an alpha controller (spins forever in either direction), and you'd be set, but now you need bidirectional communcation with your rack gear, a second MIDI cable (how it pains me that MIDI requires one cable for send and one to receive), and some way to get your rack box to send that information. TravisH On 1/9/06, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > > I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that I I've never seen > somewhere. If it exists please tell me. > > I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't know the precise > english term). I put a (very simple) sketch at > http://matthias.loibner.net/files/contRoller.jpg > > It should have an endless rotary encoder and send relative continuos > controller data. > I think it has some advanteges compared to a pedal. > > When you switch the function of the pedal at your hardware or in > your software, the parameter you wish to control can have a different > value from the position of the pedal, so you need either to adapt the > pedal to the needed position, or as relative movement you might not > have enough way to control what you want. > The roller could be more subtle to change a value, when you touch it. > With a pedal I always fear to touch it too hard or accidentely. > > I guess a pedal is much better for controls where your movement is > part of the music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your > effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud do a better job. > > 1st of all: what do you think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B92113BF14; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ea01c61555$a3ebf070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Cc: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <03a101c61548$4ab125f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:48:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03E7_01C6151A.F68C7150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.500000 Content: cid=56(1.5) =1.5,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.theorchard.com) (http://www.theo) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=192560, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03E7_01C6151A.F68C7150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SERVICES THAT CAN DISTRIBUTE YOUR CD: THE ORCHARD Note: This service is more of a distributor, rather than one that sells = your CD directly. 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Dick --Apple-Mail-3--384541129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 19:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32B793BF24; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040d01c61557$350f21c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <03a101c61548$4ab125f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03ea01c61555$a3ebf070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <32acb750e7184a5e7ced2a03ca4ee04f@skeletonhome.com> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:59:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_040A_01C6151C.87E076A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *****: 5.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Aspam=3.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.cafepress.com) (http://www.) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 100, in=58938, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:59:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_040A_01C6151C.87E076A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you provide some more details? (maybe some that I used for SERVICES = THAT CAN SELL YOUR CD). When you respond, remove the "Re" from the = subject headind of your email. I have one CD on CafePress as well. I have to admit, they are very easy = to use...you can upload your art and sound files, see how the CD will = look, etc...much like DiskFaktory. But their cut so unbelievably = ludicroius..something like $8 a CD? It's preposteous. Kris p.s. I love your quote...not too good for a solipsist, though. :)=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bruce tovsky=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: SERVICES THAT CAN DISTRIBUTE YOUR CD http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/products/audio bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick ------=_NextPart_000_040A_01C6151C.87E076A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can you provide some more details? = (maybe=20 some that I used for SERVICES THAT CAN SELL YOUR=20 CD).  When you respond, = remove the "Re"=20 from the subject headind of your email.
 
I have one CD on CafePress as well. I = have to=20 admit, they are very easy to use...you can upload your art and sound = files, see=20 how the CD will look, etc...much like DiskFaktory. But their cut so = unbelievably=20 ludicroius..something like $8 a CD?  It's preposteous.
 
Kris
 
p.s. I love your quote...not too good = for a=20 solipsist, though. :)
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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 = 12:54=20 PM
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On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Kris Hartung = wrote:

SERVICES THAT=20 CAN DISTRIBUTE YOUR=20 CD

http://www.= cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/products/audio

bruce=20 tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com

"Rea= lity is=20 whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.."
Philip = K.=20 Dick
------=_NextPart_000_040A_01C6151C.87E076A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 20:00:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 133973BF21; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041301c61557$4d297b20$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060109185043.C745AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:00:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 100, in=58940, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:00:19 +0000 (UTC) This is good advice, Joe. I wish I could do it more. I'm just too damn introverted or self-absorbed when I play. Often times, I'll bring my entire discography, never say a thing about it, and it will stay in a box behind my chair. Usually, I don't even talk to the crowd, except say thank you after a 30 min song. It's bad....really bad. Sometimes I put a 1 page, high gloss description of my CDs next to the door with the CDs next to it. That helps. I think I would feel too shameless and embarassed to go around after a gig and ask people if they wanted to buy my CDs, although I KNOW this would probably yield results. Heck, maybe I should pay someone to do this for me and give them a percentage of my sales! :) At one gig, I got the cashier person to agree to promote my CDs when people paid their bill, and I gave her $2 for every CD she sold. Not all businesses will let you do that. With all this talk, I just recently modified three of my CD pages on my website so that people could buy the entire CD in MP3 format for $5. We'll see how that goes over time. I provide 30 second sound clips as well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE My friend Lucio (my musical foil in Lumper/Splitter) read an article once about CD sales at live gigs wherein the author suggested the following: When you are done playing you have, as a generalization, about 5 to 10 minutes to capitalize on any interest you have created during your set to sell CDs. Set down your instrument, grab a stack of CDs, and walk into the crowd. Do not walk up to your friends and receive obligatory pats on the back about how good your set was. Walk up to a stranger and ask if they would be interested in purchasing a CD, holding one out towards them as you do so. Repeat as necessary. Now to sensibilities, this sounds a bit crass. I feel a bit cheesey doing it this way. But when you are on tour, and need to buy gas, food, and lodging, and you to sell some CDs, damnit, you might try this. He tried this when touring with his old band Ramona The Pest and reports that CD sales went WAY up. He would walk towards people and they would often reach for their wallet before he even said anything. Remember, *playing* music is NOT the same thing as *selling* music. If you want to live in a idealized world where CDs magically sell like hotcakes because your set was so smokin', that's OK. But if you want to actually "move some units" there are other ways to sell your CD. It can also be rude if there is a band coming on after you that is waiting to set up and you leave your stuff where it is and start selling stuff. Maybe you can inform them ahead of time that you are spending 5 -10 min selling directly after your set. Maybe you can have a friend break your gear down for you while you sell? Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. It's hard for me to use this approach (I use it sparingly) because I often feel guilty, like I'm putting people on the spot. But I've also had people buy CDs this way, and then email me later telling me how glad they are to have the CD! Cheers Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:37:58 -0500 > > And for those that sell them at gigs- what do you use to transport them? > And > what do you use to display your CD? Do you bring someone with you to sell, > or do you wait until you are done playing and try to get people to buy? > > Currently, I have my g/f who comes with me and sits by the CDs. I try not > to > do the hard sell/begging thing during gigs over the mic, which, when I am > an > audience member, I can't stand. I carry them in a round piece of vintage > luggage, which has some foam in there so the various CDs don't bang > around. > I have a laminated insert for each CD so people can pick it up and see > what > they are buying. I don't have any kind of display rack, so I am open to > any > ideas. Small and durable are the requirements. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 20:19:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBF403BF13; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:22 -0800 Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20060109185043.C745AE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-Id: <38F202C4-814D-11DA-A6CC-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Another good idea is to have someone, preferably cute and friendly :-), to sell your CD's for you while you play. Set up a table near the stage if possible, and have the person sit there through your gig to sell discs and gather signatures for your mailling list, then circulate through the crowd while you are on break or tearing down. We printed up vinyl stickers with our logo and give them away to everybody who signs the list. When my band tours, we try to have someone travel with us to sell merch, we've noticed when we don't have someone in the crowd and it's up to us to sell, we sell a lot less. My band has sold a couple thousand copies of both of our discs in the last 2 years, and the vast majority of them have been at shows. The next best sales have been via CDBaby, then we have a couple of cool local stores that carry our stuff, but in general, retail has not been good to us. Selling the disc when the customer has just heard your gig (and is possibly drunk enough to think you sounded great) has been what works the best for us. It's really variable too, we've played for crowds of thousands and sold no discs, and we played for an audience of 12 once where we sold 12 CD's. Perhaps the pity factor came into play. We have no conventional distribution, only CD Baby right now. We put our first disc online at a number of distributors, including EarBuzz, and CDBaby is the only one that generated any sales at all. So our 2nd disc is just being carried at CDBaby, for now. We do our digital distribution via CDBaby as well, which has really just been a trickle, I think we made $3 last month. In my opinion, until you're getting some national press, or have some kind of wide-based niche market recognition, conventional distribution and retail sales just won't happen. Our answer has been to gig as much as possible, tour as much as possible and build a fanbase that way, it's been a ton of work, but it feels like it is paying off, slowly, though. On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 10:50 AM, joe rut wrote: > My friend Lucio (my musical foil in Lumper/Splitter) read an article > once about CD sales at live gigs wherein the author suggested the > following: > > When you are done playing you have, as a generalization, about 5 to 10 > minutes to capitalize on any interest you have created during your > set to sell CDs. Set down your instrument, grab a stack of CDs, and > walk into the crowd. Do not walk up to your friends and receive > obligatory pats on the back about how good your set was. Walk up to a > stranger and ask if they would be interested in purchasing a CD, > holding one out towards them as you do so. Repeat as necessary. > > Now to sensibilities, this sounds a bit crass. I feel a bit cheesey > doing it this way. But when you are on tour, and need to buy gas, > food, and > lodging, and you to sell some CDs, damnit, you might try this. He > tried this when touring with his old band Ramona The Pest and reports > that CD sales went WAY up. He would walk towards people and they > would often reach for their wallet before he even said anything. > Remember, *playing* music is NOT the same thing as *selling* music. > If you want to live in a idealized world where CDs magically sell like > hotcakes because your set was so smokin', that's OK. But if you want > to actually "move some units" there are other ways to sell your CD. > > It can also be rude if there is a band coming on after you that is > waiting to set up and you leave your stuff where it is and start > selling stuff. > Maybe you can inform them ahead of time that you are spending 5 -10 > min selling directly after your set. Maybe you can have a friend > break your gear down for you while you sell? > > Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. It's hard for me to > use this approach (I use it sparingly) because I often feel guilty, > like I'm > putting people on the spot. But I've also had people buy CDs this > way, and then email me later telling me how glad they are to have the > CD! > > Cheers > > Joe > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hazard factor" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:37:58 -0500 > >> >> And for those that sell them at gigs- what do you use to transport >> them? And >> what do you use to display your CD? Do you bring someone with you to >> sell, >> or do you wait until you are done playing and try to get people to >> buy? >> >> Currently, I have my g/f who comes with me and sits by the CDs. I try >> not to >> do the hard sell/begging thing during gigs over the mic, which, when >> I am an >> audience member, I can't stand. I carry them in a round piece of >> vintage >> luggage, which has some foam in there so the various CDs don't bang >> around. >> I have a laminated insert for each CD so people can pick it up and >> see what >> they are buying. I don't have any kind of display rack, so I am open >> to any >> ideas. Small and durable are the requirements. >> >> Dave Eichenberger >> http://www.hazardfactor.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 20:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E816F3BF1C; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LY+xUz/Vds0FJ7Fbu/bUIcZ9VRDzaIrtvR7xX42RM9Avowx3d24PG8TZynyfiql7UfaSx1tzgMNm5pye5QBT81aQZ92o62zzRc5xLKC+PYe7zZYZNjuEvvTsMOZRGRhfMyDqRMotXZ9N66vYe0P9NycOOyiCZZj+fCaGm8370qI= ; Message-ID: <20060109202312.71002.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:23:12 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9edcde51038410813a229c1c2b91dee6@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Some evidence that it's not true is NAMM. Why would one go so far? If memory serves, Electrix didn't have a presense at the NAMM show before the first Repeater. I imagine it costs a decent penny to get a spot at NAMM... seems awful far to go to piss people off. They could have done the same damage with a cheap web page. --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > .../ I thought your claim is light on facts or > details. > > my looping compadre and fellow enthusiast of the > loop-ed sound, > > you are correct. > > i am light on facts and details. > > i lied about it being a joke. this man (whose name > hasn't been broached > to me) did not quit out of hatred of us but fear of > being able to > complete the task. > > however, i am so frustrated at being teased in this > way i will continue > to make light of the situation until i own a second > PCM-80 or perhaps > Bob Amstadt (ellis island error? Arnstast was a town > which JS Bach was > teaching latin and writing 6 hrs of music for mass > on sundays. an > omen?) completes his publisiced task of producing a > looping unit which > i can mate with. > > until then i will extemporanise my rumour-filled > knowledge of the inner > workings of Electrix 2: Electrix Boogaloo until such > time as this > charlatan has revealed himself to us to be the > actual and genuine > article or time demonstrates that my dubious source > is indeed correct. > > right now the Electrix mkII site is corroborating my > unscrupulous > sources. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 20:31:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04EF33BF2F; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:31:36 -0800 Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Wow, interesting situation. All I can say is that you should go ahead and release the disc. The fact that someone uploaded it says that somewhere, someone is interested enough in your music to spread the word about it. That probably says that there are enough people who would buy it to make it work. Our discs have been floating around on trading sites for a couple of years, and we have still made a profit from both of them. Not everyone in the world is computer-literate enough or has a fast enough connection to participate in P2P. Some people actually refuse to download CD's for ethical reasons. Some people like to have a physical disc. I know it's kind of creepy to have your stuff circulating "out there" without your control, but in this new era, once you put something out there, you leave yourself open to this kind of thing. We allow people to tape our shows, and I've found a few embarrasingly bad performances of ours on tape trading sites, and I've wished that we could pull them down, but we can't, so we live with it, try to play consistantly better in case someone is taping, and go on. On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 02:16 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > All this talk on the list about "Putting Out a CD" and "Decreasing > Sales" makes me think of my situation. > > Last night, I was at a party where a friend told me that he saw my > entire new album for free download at some Sweedish site. WE HAVEN'T > EVEN RELEASED THE DAMN THING, YET!!!! I'm a NOBODY. My band is > UNKNOWN; not Genesis reformed or the Beatles reincarnated. Holy moly. > In the little niche of Progressive Rock, we're not even Spock's > Frelling/Fracking Beard!!! Who the hell would want OUR music? > > Ignore the cost of instruments, computers, software, interfaces, > cables, amplifiers, speakers, years of learning how to play, write, > and arrange music, gas costs and vehicle maintenance to get to > sessions. We paid $BIG to have this mastered at the studio owned and > run by Jeff Glixman (Producer of Kansas, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.). We > paid $BIG for the cover art from someone with some cache to his name. > We will pay $MODERATE to the guy who is doing the layout. Will will > be paying something on the order of $1500 to have 1000 CDs pressed > LATER THIS MONTH!!!! Total cost of this CD is well over $3000. Small > budget as far as pro CDs go. Chump change to some. Skipping > breakfast, eating peanut butter for lunch, and eating spaghetti for > dinner until December, 2007 for me. > > 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can > already get for free? > 2) I might be flattered that SOMEONE wants my music to be exposed to > the world. But at what cost to me and my band? Can we afford to even > FINISH this CD? Can we afford to ever make another one ever again? > 3) I feel betrayed that some trusted friend let our music out to the > world to allow this to happen. All trust worthy friends will now be > punished by not getting so much as advanced CDRs of tunes in progress, > all because of one bad apple. > 4) What is my hard work and dedication worth? > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 20:48:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5CA3BEFA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o41G4VkA/9ugRaoOV9l/9JnkpPr7JXdLQiZti3V7RhfM+er6bKKGwqCbrajjw7hXPNrouD7GXZk7FM49xYnZXZkT5VYg4GcXeA5VNqFPN9nuV4uyEfHuGdgWz8DgaRIO3Bv3glPf5CQGgCSJ1PlHPRdfFRf/n7pyqjQ8V56TJYg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:48:00 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? In-Reply-To: <20060109202312.71002.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9edcde51038410813a229c1c2b91dee6@suitandtieguy.com> <20060109202312.71002.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Electrix showed the Repeater at one NAMM show and then missed delivery dates for the next year. The answer to "why would one go so far" may be "because they're in over their head". The Electrix track record on talk talked and walk walked doesn't inspire confidence. TravisH On 1/9/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Some evidence that it's not true is NAMM. Why would > one go so far? If memory serves, Electrix didn't have > a presense at the NAMM show before the first Repeater. > I imagine it costs a decent penny to get a spot at > NAMM... seems awful far to go to piss people off. > They could have done the same damage with a cheap web > page. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 21:02:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B748E3BF01; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:01:50 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> To: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re[2]: foot (cont) roller In-Reply-To: References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:02:17 +0000 (UTC) I did not know a roller exists on a device. Do you have any visual feedback on the boomerang? I would like it as standalone-roller? TH> make the roller an alpha controller (spins forever in either direction) That's what I want. I would use it with my Laptop and Möbius would show the changes in the GUI. I did not think about hardware without any visual feedback. Matthias (L) TH> I certainly prefer the Boomerang's roller control to a volume pedal TH> type controller, but in a programmable situation I think that you'd TH> need some LED's or some readout to show you what the software value TH> you were controlling with the roller was currently set to. make the TH> roller an alpha controller (spins forever in either direction), and TH> you'd be set, but now you need bidirectional communcation with your TH> rack gear, a second MIDI cable (how it pains me that MIDI requires one TH> cable for send and one to receive), and some way to get your rack box TH> to send that information. TH> TravisH TH> On 1/9/06, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: >> >> I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that I I've never seen >> somewhere. If it exists please tell me. >> >> I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't know the precise >> english term). I put a (very simple) sketch at >> http://matthias.loibner.net/files/contRoller.jpg >> >> It should have an endless rotary encoder and send relative continuos >> controller data. >> I think it has some advanteges compared to a pedal. >> >> When you switch the function of the pedal at your hardware or in >> your software, the parameter you wish to control can have a different >> value from the position of the pedal, so you need either to adapt the >> pedal to the needed position, or as relative movement you might not >> have enough way to control what you want. >> The roller could be more subtle to change a value, when you touch it. >> With a pedal I always fear to touch it too hard or accidentely. >> >> I guess a pedal is much better for controls where your movement is >> part of the music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your >> effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud do a better job. >> >> 1st of all: what do you think? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 21:43:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F1393BEEA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: foot (cont) roller Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:43:28 +0100 To: LD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:43:33 +0000 (UTC) I would be interested in buying one, if the price doesn't run up too far (I'm not particularly wealthy). I would like to also have one, two or three step-down buttons in front of the roller ("on/off" type that can be set to CC's momentary, MIDI note alternating or MIDI note momentary). This is a great idea, Number Nine! Per On 9 jan 2006, at 20.38, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that I I've never seen > somewhere. If it exists please tell me. > > I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't know the precise > english term). I put a (very simple) sketch at > http://matthias.loibner.net/files/contRoller.jpg > > It should have an endless rotary encoder and send relative continuos > controller data. > I think it has some advanteges compared to a pedal. > > When you switch the function of the pedal at your hardware or in > your software, the parameter you wish to control can have a different > value from the position of the pedal, so you need either to adapt the > pedal to the needed position, or as relative movement you might not > have enough way to control what you want. > The roller could be more subtle to change a value, when you touch it. > With a pedal I always fear to touch it too hard or accidentely. > > I guess a pedal is much better for controls where your movement is > part of the music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your > effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud do a better job. > > 1st of all: what do you think? > > 2nd: > I've got a friend and can maybe persuade him to build me one or two of > these rollers. Is there anybody on the list who could imagine to be > interested in having abother one. This is not an order. I even can't > tell if he will do it at the moment. But if he can make an amount like > 10 he is maybe easier to convince to do it sooner. > > Matthias (L) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 21:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8AD3BEFA; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G+x0OXZmKlqUUS+gvnsBcgNq8iHaawkfp3g0hkyhIvIOcb6nRjkV2ZJiazL2CRbJkc03K6tJdD+sWHNwhZ6TKuXqyynHSvPPe3jt+bJyAVTdYL/NK4FKAVV6mNRn8LIhgACOpzhqIFY2ZfVcDMvt4gqaN14ECRW/RgwrVwLTYs0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:46:31 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: LD Subject: Re: Re[2]: foot (cont) roller In-Reply-To: <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9qhdo.A.EmF.7mtwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:46:36 +0000 (UTC) The roller on the Boomerang is mechanical, so you do have visual feedback in the form of graphics embossed into the roller itself, and the roller controls only the loop volume level, which is tremendously useful. If only they'd implemented a second roller that controlled feedback level... TravisH On 1/9/06, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > > I did not know a roller exists on a device. Do you have any visual > feedback on the boomerang? > > I would like it as standalone-roller? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 21:50:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D8833BEFF; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060109164958.g5sober13kiog4wk@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:49:58 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: LD Subject: Re: Re[2]: foot (cont) roller References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Think of a screw that as you rotate it the thread moves along the axis. Th= ere are little dots on the roller along the path of the "thread". Rotate the roller and the dots move. There are, somewhere on the web, plans for a midi-foot controller based upo= n a volume pedal, which is, rotary at its core. ~peace~ Michael Quoting numbernine@gmx.net: > > I did not know a roller exists on a device. Do you have any visual > feedback on the boomerang? > > I would like it as standalone-roller? > > > TH> make the roller an alpha controller (spins forever in either directio= n) > > That's what I want. > > I would use it with my Laptop and M=F6bius would show the changes in the > GUI. I did not think about hardware without any visual feedback. > > Matthias (L) > > TH> I certainly prefer the Boomerang's roller control to a volume pedal > TH> type controller, but in a programmable situation I think that you'd > TH> need some LED's or some readout to show you what the software value > TH> you were controlling with the roller was currently set to. make the > TH> roller an alpha controller (spins forever in either direction), and > TH> you'd be set, but now you need bidirectional communcation with your > TH> rack gear, a second MIDI cable (how it pains me that MIDI requires on= e > TH> cable for send and one to receive), and some way to get your rack box > TH> to send that information. > > TH> TravisH > > TH> On 1/9/06, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: >>> >>> I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that I I've never seen >>> somewhere. If it exists please tell me. >>> >>> I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't know the precise >>> english term). I put a (very simple) sketch at >>> http://matthias.loibner.net/files/contRoller.jpg >>> >>> It should have an endless rotary encoder and send relative continuos >>> controller data. >>> I think it has some advanteges compared to a pedal. >>> >>> When you switch the function of the pedal at your hardware or in >>> your software, the parameter you wish to control can have a different >>> value from the position of the pedal, so you need either to adapt the >>> pedal to the needed position, or as relative movement you might not >>> have enough way to control what you want. >>> The roller could be more subtle to change a value, when you touch it. >>> With a pedal I always fear to touch it too hard or accidentely. >>> >>> I guess a pedal is much better for controls where your movement is >>> part of the music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your >>> effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud do a better job. >>> >>> 1st of all: what do you think? >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 21:58:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0CB3BF07; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <637D6BF8-02DC-47D7-A2A0-F4E589F0DB6E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re[2]: foot (cont) roller Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:58:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Another nice controller would be to put down your foot on a foot shaped plate and twist it. Not for "endless" controller functionality, but as a standing musician I would like that much better than the usual up/down pedal. The big problem with those wha style pedals is that you can not see in what position you left it. With a twist-your-foot controller you will always see clearly the position. I guess it would also take a lot more use before breaking, compared to a traditional up-down pedal. You know, sometimes you are not very well balanced and it's easy to accidently put all your wight on the pedal. The Twist Pedal can take a lot of pressure on the heel side because the receptor is at the toe side. How about that? (I'm still in for the Roller) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:15:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7295E3BEF4; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b/KrasgizfAy68dnpceUV8bcK1IGakFlxbkpI67wHk53qpteB69BRRYi+vnqrCfeNaq4l2GYsglrXIaDEyv75McnbTvZ33CtWOCgMZWhaGR63/LX2oMeg2xu0AWvEK8wurBPIMTKgLxxS9w3H8DAnHcjfT6O6qCJ0RDkz1WMsIk= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601091415y442ba64cqcff3a7cb6f44142d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:15:26 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060109110225.0285d770@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060109033931.276843BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060109110225.0285d770@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <0j9CCC.A.XsG._BuwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:15:28 +0000 (UTC) I have to say that every time I've seen 4'33", it's been one of the most interesting pieces on the program. It usually goes the same way. First the audience shuts up -- and then you get to hear the sound of the room. It's very rare to hear what a concert hall sounds like with people in it not making a sound -- it's very different from the shiny sound of an empty concert hall. Then there's a rustling of paper all around you as people start looking at their programs to figure out what's going on... and this moves into a sort of duet where coughs are the main sound (people almost always cough in a concert hall to express their displeasure!) and people talking sotto voce (explaining what's happening to their friends) are the background. Stupendous! On 1/9/06, a k butler wrote: > At 03:39 09/01/06, you wrote: > > > Are you saying that I don't get it? I play experimental music too > > and have a > > > very open mind (heck, check out my Project MRI in the CT Collective).= One > > > can get yet, yet still call bullshit on the significance or novelty o= f a > > > work. That's my subjective right as an artist and free thinker. > > > >You can have an open mind and still not get it! > > ...but the implication is always that there's something to get ;-) > > > >Point is -- I'll bet it sounds good. I like sustained organ tones. > > how long are you going to sit there for? I don't know. I've spent over an hour at the Dream House for example: http://melafoundation.org/main.htm > > >And I'll bet it makes you think. > > An interesting Cage fact:- > 4'33 is not a silent piece of music. > The score plainly states that the performer should open doors and > windows at the venue in order to maximize the amount of background sound. > Absence of sound was not the intention, just absence of intentional sound= . > > ...and even Cage would refer to it as "my silent piece", perhaps > after the critics > had informed him . > > So who "didn't get it" ? The piece itself is silent -- it prescribes no sounds of any types. The concert hall of course cannot be silent as silence can never be attaine= d... http://www.lcdf.org/indeterminacy/s.cgi?6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Minutes_Thirty_Three_Seconds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3106E3BF08; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:34:49 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <366837628.20060109233449@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: Re[4]: foot (cont) roller In-Reply-To: <637D6BF8-02DC-47D7-A2A0-F4E589F0DB6E@boysen.se> References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> <1962608473.20060109220150@gmx.net> <637D6BF8-02DC-47D7-A2A0-F4E589F0DB6E@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) PB> Another nice controller would be to put down your foot on a foot PB> shaped plate and twist it. Not for "endless" controller PB> functionality, but as a standing musician I would like that much PB> better than the usual up/down pedal. good idea, if I understand what you mean. I think the plate could be smaller then the foot (for travelling reasons). PB> I would be interested in buying one, if the price doesn't run up too PB> far (I'm not particularly wealthy). I would like to also have one, PB> two or three step-down buttons in front of the roller ("on/off" type PB> that can be set to CC's momentary, MIDI note alternating or MIDI note PB> momentary). The friend of mine whom I asked is particularily skilled in mechanical solutions so I will tell him about the "twister" plate. I'm sure it will take a while to have something finished and we should talk about prices later. I just hope to get it going. Matthias (L) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:42:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3FF3BF04; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VM8akbcASAFQGgqpDZ0SJigwl4jom/bjEjDWZvUXhVGdkRSsKxCZQquFuneYgs84AxFdkPdc47dfci3fgmHdSx+auru0D4V3i1neA4gFPE4bE1GGTWyPlrxOCTEApxz3GbR3CWTbZjZYOazfN24b+L0CTpE736c0mHT9E3OUCAM= ; Message-ID: <20060109224200.94736.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New EHX Looper Rumor? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e29a84c8297c91d6b81a7d8cae53b44@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:42:07 +0000 (UTC) The EH16 reissue is a pretty cool little looper... sending, but not syncing to a MIDI clock... I'd be very curious to see what else they could come up with. --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:35 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > > Someone over on the HC Fx Forum says that > > here's a link to the thread. looks pretty damn > legit: > > http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1130106 > > > it would be pretty nuts if EH was the one company > keeping this year's > NAMM show from being a total snooze-fest. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:45:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD063BF0C; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <279.2e9bf7d.30f44185@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:45:25 EST Subject: Re: Linsey Pollak and Tunji Beier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, matilists@atarde.com.br MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_279.2e9bf7d.30f44185_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:45:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_279.2e9bf7d.30f44185_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/06 12:30:29 PM, matilists@atarde.com.br writes: > in the solo show he built the instruments while playing! > sweet!.....matthias, ola!.....when is the BRAZIL LOOPFEST?.....i'm gettin ready!.....:)m --part1_279.2e9bf7d.30f44185_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/9/06 12:30:29 PM, matilists@atarde.com.br writes:


in the solo show he b= uilt the instruments while playing!


sweet!.....matthias, ola!.....when is the BRAZIL LOOPFEST?.....i'm gettin re= ady!.....:)m --part1_279.2e9bf7d.30f44185_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:55:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636093BEEC; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t9pOct0QKJJWg7/6Ys8he0CQti6r8sNzsoR5vgFJ3NvxEwXwJqA9obCet4n39g1VkhRxVIl40qbp9A7tmxRYuAM9hQ1Vwh6n7UeyAeADBzyyhmvzyaOua3rtH0pkMgQy6dIZRPR/UhyIrdJ0AaDkea8EZrZ9P9c1TAD2pOjl7xE= ; Message-ID: <20060109225520.89788.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Oh I totally agree, but that doesn't translate to "we made up the mk2 line to piss people off" arguement. Stupid doen't mean malice was intended. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Electrix showed the Repeater at one NAMM show and > then missed delivery > dates for the next year. The answer to "why would > one go so far" may > be "because they're in over their head". The > Electrix track record on > talk talked and walk walked doesn't inspire > confidence. __________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:56:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63BEE3BF14; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: LIVE + CD SALES etc Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:56:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C61578.4739D8B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:56:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C61578.4739D8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable whats all this then... ? thought you were all artistes!! Not money grabbing leaches!!!! Well Ive done it both ways, the profesh way, with a record company, = singles photo shoots interviews videos on mtv etc.... and the home grown = CDR website sell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? I sold more = records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, and a = nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not = really...=20 so wanna guess what I do now?=20 I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!! Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... if someone says I like your = stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive taken this quite far, = now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, I leave CD's... = they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was left here on purpose, = please take it... listen to it, and if you like it... keep it, if you = dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank you... I've left = them in railway stations and churches, cafes, bars, I've even left them = in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next to the Cranes Records = (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on the counter... = Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free Record = Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of = course i make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? = I've had more people come to my website and BUY records using this = method than by ANYTHING ELSE EVER!!! love mark... PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the hospital with my better = half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe old age of 42 I'm finally = gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still thinking... = anyway wish me luck! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C61578.4739D8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
whats all this then... ?
thought you were all = artistes!! Not money=20 grabbing leaches!!!!

 Well Ive done it both ways, the = profesh way,=20 with a record company, singles photo shoots interviews videos on mtv=20 etc.... and the home grown CDR website sell=20 a few out at gigs way, and you know what? I sold more records = the=20 profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, and a nervous = breakdown, and=20 the other way I well didnt really sell any, not really...
 
so wanna guess what I do now? =
 
I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!!
 
Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... = if someone=20 says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive taken = this=20 quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, I leave = CD's...=20 they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was left here = on=20 purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like it... keep it, = if you=20 dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank you... = I've=20 left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, bars, I've even left = them in=20 Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next to the Cranes Records (my = old=20 profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on the counter... Here in = Norway we=20 have a chain of Record Shops called "Free Record Shop"... I left some = marked=20 "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of course i make sure the website = address=20 is on there and you know what??? I've had more people come to my website = and BUY=20 records using this method than by ANYTHING ELSE EVER!!!
 
love mark...
 
PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im = off to the=20 hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe = old age of=20 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still=20 thinking... anyway wish me luck!
 
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C61578.4739D8B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 22:57:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B883F3BEFB; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tRrZTdPn1jLYDebGx1VxsoH34Z0ahNzz8Ljz1P0J47XlkwVDAdAxQROAOz4kJp+IQkZrJHVgj8nVkhkpB1FMBnw2+xO6Re+i+9mGUwD5lLDr93g1dpO4oqou4CYudVqCJFvDcrgD/iyyw4AAwGr232yF9j1Vemj9G6B2HOFErLw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 14:57:36 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? In-Reply-To: <20060109225520.89788.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060109225520.89788.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:57:38 +0000 (UTC) That was Eric's theory, not mine. TravisH On 1/9/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Oh I totally agree, but that doesn't translate to "we > made up the mk2 line to piss people off" arguement. > Stupid doen't mean malice was intended. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF43B3BEF6; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <047d01c61571$ac896110$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: LIVE + CD SALES etc Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:08:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_047A_01C61536.FF63DDB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 100, in=59148, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_047A_01C61536.FF63DDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > mark francombe wrote: PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the = hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe = old age of 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name = Nikolas??? still thinking... anyway wish me luck! To hell with this topic, you are having a child?! Congratulations! = Nikolas is fabulous. I went with Tristan and Kyra for my now 8 month old = boy/girl twins. You're gonna love it..it will give you a whole new = perspective, and probably inspiration with your looping music. It has = taught me how to prioritize. Good luck.=20 Kris mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14666 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_047A_01C61536.FF63DDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> mark francombe wrote: PS: Im off = to bed, in=20 the morning Im off to the hospital with my better half to induce my = firstborn=20 son...at the ripe old age of 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone = like the=20 name Nikolas??? still thinking... anyway wish me luck!
 
To hell with this topic, you are having = a child?!=20 Congratulations!   Nikolas is fabulous. I went with Tristan = and Kyra=20 for my now 8 month old boy/girl twins. You're gonna love it..it will = give you a=20 whole new perspective, and probably inspiration with your looping music. = It has=20 taught me how to prioritize.
 
Good luck.
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_047A_01C61536.FF63DDB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:15:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46E93BF20; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23347152.1136848545917.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:15:45 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LIVE + CD SALES etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:15:47 +0000 (UTC)
Mark
 
Get alot of sleep, you're going to be needing it. Infants always seem = to have their own self-centered agenda and constantly seem to be acting....= .well......infantile. Blessings upon yourself and your wife and your  = endeavour and advanced congratulations.
 
Todd


-----Original Message-----
From: mark francombe
Sent: Jan 9, 2006 3:56 PM
To: loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Subject: LIVE + CD SALES etc

whats all this then... ?
thought you were all artistes!! Not&n= bsp;money grabbing leaches!!!!

 Well Ive done it both ways, the= profesh way, with a record company, singles photo shoots interviews videos= on mtv etc.... and the home grown CDR website s= ell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? I sold more records= the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, and a nervous break= down, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not really... =
 
so wanna guess what I do now?
 
I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!!
 
Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... if= someone says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive = taken this quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, = I leave CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This cd = was left here on purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like i= t... keep it, if you dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank you... I've left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, = bars, I've even left them in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next = to the Cranes Records (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on= the counter... Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free= Record Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... o= f course i make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? I= 've had more people come to my website and BUY records using this method th= an by ANYTHING ELSE EVER!!!
 
love mark...
 
PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off t= o the hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe= old age of 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??= ? still thinking... anyway wish me luck!
 
 
 
 
mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes fo= r www.furthernoise.org and work= s at www.transformlearning.com=

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:20:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A21D3BF22; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: LIVE + CD SALES etc Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:20:54 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61541.0BE607C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9PpgSD.A.U1.K_uwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:20:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61541.0BE607C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great plan with the CD's and something that I do as well though not as prolifically! Congrats on the newborn, Nikolas is great! I'm 42 and still waiting! ~peace~ Michael -----Original Message----- From: mark francombe [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:56 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LIVE + CD SALES etc whats all this then... ? thought you were all artistes!! Not money grabbing leaches!!!! Well Ive done it both ways, the profesh way, with a record company, singles photo shoots interviews videos on mtv etc.... and the home grown CDR website sell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? I sold more records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, and a nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not really... so wanna guess what I do now? I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!! Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... if someone says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive taken this quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, I leave CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was left here on purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like it... keep it, if you dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank you... I've left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, bars, I've even left them in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next to the Cranes Records (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on the counter... Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free Record Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of course i make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? I've had more people come to my website and BUY records using this method than by ANYTHING ELSE EVER!!! love mark... PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe old age of 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still thinking... anyway wish me luck! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14666 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61541.0BE607C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great=20 plan with the CD's and something that I do as well though not as=20 prolifically!  Congrats on the newborn, Nikolas is great!  I'm = 42 and=20 still waiting!
 
~peace~

Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: mark francombe=20 [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 09, = 2006 4:56=20 PM
To: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LIVE +=20 CD SALES etc

whats all this then... ?
thought you were all=20 artistes!! Not money grabbing leaches!!!!

 Well = Ive done=20 it both ways, the profesh way, with a record company, singles photo = shoots=20 interviews videos on mtv etc.... and the home = grown CDR=20 website sell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? = I sold=20 more records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, = and a=20 nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not = really...
 
so wanna guess what I do now? =
 
I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!!
 
Yep... a CDR is almost free to me = so... if=20 someone says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually = Ive=20 taken this quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and = bars, I=20 leave CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This = cd was=20 left here on purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like = it...=20 keep it, if you dont like it, please leave it somewhere = else.=20 Thank you... I've left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, = bars,=20 I've even left them in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next = to the=20 Cranes Records (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on = the=20 counter... Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free = Record=20 Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of = course i=20 make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? I've = had more=20 people come to my website and BUY records using this method than by = ANYTHING=20 ELSE EVER!!!
 
love mark...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61541.0BE607C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB8E93BF1C; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20060109225520.89788.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:30:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:30:28 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > That was Eric's theory, not mine. that wasn't a theory, it was a furiously drunken accusation. but thanks for dignifying that rant with the t-word. i think maybe my words are taken too seriously. you should assume half of what i say is merely for my own personal amusement. i'm sorry anyone actually gave credence to the idea that someone would go to NAMM with fake gear and make a fake website just to piss me off. i'm not actually that much of an egomaniac. i _do_ think that Electrix Part Two is a big crock of shit. these weaklings should at least admit to us that they have problems or have given up. i've heard they gave up. i would like to believe that isn't the case. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:31:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696A13BF0E; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:31:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <041301c61557$4d297b20$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0aD-4C.A.OLB.JJvwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:31:21 +0000 (UTC) It is a great idea to sell your CD's from the stage a little and to hit the crowd while they're hot DOES work. If you can have someone else do it (and they don't necessarily have to be cute, they just need to believe in your music!) it does work and takes the load off. If they do believe in your tunes, they really don't have to be paid unless you want to give them an occasional shirt or something. ~peace~ Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC4963BF34; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E390A3D-7D29-430A-B013-46123BE10B86@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LIVE + CD SALES etc Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:36:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:36:16 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jan 2006, at 23.56, mark francombe wrote: > I leave CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was > left here on purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you > like it... keep it, if you dont like it, please leave it somewhere > else. Thank you... That's cool! Makes me think of Mail Art :-) > PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the hospital with my > better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe old age of 42 > I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still > thinking... anyway wish me luck! Woah! A N00b in da Loop!!!!! Congratulations! I have two sons, but they are a bit older :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED1D3BF44; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FgUrYNOolyhqx5nddyPankgwkOC9o+QJyJtPEXyHEHPg2x4Ov5G5uQwwapk9pXHKHm9mNuz4YmCwJiJz6kDvu+Sv4opUUj/aCaUWR5rv9/ef0KCKM8PECgZ5BmmGo7go+cjT5xVjRvnXe9zEaE49gPMLp1xuBZTzyu2N68llawU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:36:17 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix Website Down: a bad omen? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060109225520.89788.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Well, years ago someone went to NAMM with a revolutionary new type of guitar synthesizer and then claimed that someone had stolen their only copy of the software the night before, and thus they couldn't demonstrate a working version. I figured it was some "force majeure" way to wiggle out of not meeting a production deadline and thus avoid losing funding or something similiar. TravisH On 1/9/06, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > i think maybe my words are taken too seriously. you should assume half > of what i say is merely for my own personal amusement. i'm sorry anyone > actually gave credence to the idea that someone would go to NAMM with > fake gear and make a fake website just to piss me off. i'm not actually > that much of an egomaniac. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:38:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFA983BF1F; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060109183811.07lg7yg7k8gwk4sc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:38:11 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:38:18 +0000 (UTC) My own experience has been much the same as the rest here.... Over the past 10 years I've witnessed a steady decline in sales, it used to make up most of my income, but now is only a fraction. For instance; there is a very high class art show in the summer that I would go to for no pay but in exchange for booth space I'd play and demo the cds. 8 yrs ago I could count on selling around $4,000.00 over the 3 days, Last summer I did that show again after taking a break from it for a few years so I had new product, I still only sold about $800.00. The only thing that kept me from feeling really bad about it is that all the artisans are experiencing the same thing. A jeweler I know used to make his entire income for the year at the One of a Kind show in Toronto, that's a 10 day Christmas show, he used to sell somewhere in the neighborhood of $120,000.00 at that one show, last year he sold about $18,000.00. I agree that there is a great deal less disposable income, but also I think there is also a lot lower appreciation for the arts in general. A good friend who is a fine artist had a show in one of the top galleries in Toronto recently told me how this one woman came in with chips of paint and was only concerned with what would go with her living room colours. Absolutely no recognition for the art work and what was being communicated. So I just try and hang in there, do the music to please myself and pursue the styles that interest me and hopefully when society at large rediscovers an interest in the sorts of music that I do, I'll still be there playing for them. I'd also like to mention that I recently got Bernhard's cds, purchased and or traded for... Thanks!!!! there is so much there to explore and inspire me! All the best from Ontario, Canada Paul Haslem Quoting Travis Hartnett : > That's good for people who enjoy gigging, live where there's > sufficient opportunities, and who offer a compelling performance > experience, but not so good for people in the sticks who don't shine > on stage, or whose music doesn't translate as well to the live > format... > > TravisH > > On 1/8/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> >> So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing (just >> the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your >> fingertips). >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 9 23:57:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 989C93BF23; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=txx+URJ5VFmchK5+HttHXCwAJpcYPazU1AuNyxM3zItw3EdSoGkTdmRo+/+XiFaK8DBb16Kyfem2sTujwC4FidSpiFKDqIUB3w7rGFATusKDqLJ2h9hXvL5qMO2uh5GOOb0ACoSedAlHEM/vxakCKfpkse7klQhDF5FQaoZWXMw= ; Message-ID: <20060109235757.71244.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:57:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable drum sequencer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9BC8BC84-2FE4-4F16-8609-22664AA48FCC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC) I'm having a great time composing drums using BATTERY. It's pretty brilliant and since it's just a sample player that sits inside a sequencer that I already know as an .au (Digital Performer) Simple but so much more effective than working with any drum machine I've ever used... though sometimes I do long for a quick pattern based interface... GURU maybe? Also... what is Stylus exactly? Hard to tell from the site... seems like premade grooves you mix together in some way? I'm actually looking for something like that. Something that's FAST for creating a quick groove to loop to. I hate when I spend an evening making drums only to find I've not touched a guitar and it's time to go to bed. I'm often just wanting fast good drums that A) change like a song (or can be quickly made to do so) and B) will give me clock out for my Repeater. Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if it's very "preset" as I have lots that isn't. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar > Straschill wrote: > > > Now I would be looking for something like a > MIDI-controllable drum > > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). > > iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have a > OS X Mac. It's > basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in > drum sample player. > A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far more > advanced > regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind and > Mac). Both iDrum > and GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" > inspired by the > legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their own > sequnces, > organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus RMX > also have a unique > sound but now built in sequencer. You have to drive > RMX with MIDI > sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and > GURU). RMX has some > interesting random scriptiing and effect processing > options. > > Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample Player > built into the > software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the drum > kits has to be > dropped into Live slots on a track that is set to > feed the Impulse. > > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options as > you're requests > are not very detailed. You will have to go to each > products manual to > check out if it will let you do what you have in > mind. As far as > changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will let > you do that. Go > to the manufacturers web pages and watch the movies. > At least > Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo and > tutorial videos. > These apps all have their own unique sound - even > the cheap iDrum - > so it's hard to recommend anything unheard. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 00:03:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04F893BF2A; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <040d01c61557$350f21c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <03a101c61548$4ab125f0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03ea01c61555$a3ebf070$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <32acb750e7184a5e7ced2a03ca4ee04f@skeletonhome.com> <040d01c61557$350f21c0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--369564712 Message-Id: <9a5f7118dd0cea5c1ade652ad8a021e3@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:03:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:03:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--369564712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed kris sorry, don't have a lot more info on cafe press, a friend had checked=20 it out. i agree that the bite they take seems high, but we were looking for a=20 way to minimize our involvement in the cd production. i generally do a=20 handmade cdr limited edition release format, which is quite labor-intensive, but=20= for this we wanted to just hand off the files. will report back on further developments... cheers bruce On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Can you provide some more details? (maybe some=A0that I used=A0for=20 > SERVICES THAT CAN SELL YOUR CD).=A0=A0When you respond, remove the = "Re"=20 > from the subject headind of your email. > =A0 > I have one CD on CafePress as well. I have to admit, they are very=20 > easy to use...you can upload your art and sound files, see how the CD=20= > will look, etc...much like DiskFaktory. But their cut so unbelievably=20= > ludicroius..something like $8 a CD? =A0It's preposteous. > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > p.s. I love your quote...not too good for a solipsist, though. :) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: bruce tovsky >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:54 PM >> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> >>> SERVICES THAT CAN=A0DISTRIBUTE YOUR CD >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/products/audio >> >> bruce tovsky >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in = it.." >> Philip K. Dick >> bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-4--369564712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 kris sorry, don't have a lot more info on cafe press, a friend had checked it out. i agree that the bite they take seems high, but we were looking for a way to minimize our involvement in the cd production. i generally do a handmade cdr limited edition release format, which is quite labor-intensive, but for this we wanted to just hand off the files. will report back on further developments... cheers bruce On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: ArialCan you provide some more details? (maybe some=A0that I used=A0for SERVICES THAT CAN SELL = YOUR CD).=A0=A0When you respond, remove the "Re" from the subject headind of your email. =A0 ArialI have one CD on CafePress as well. I have to admit, they are very easy to use...you can upload your art and sound files, see how the CD will look, etc...much like DiskFaktory. But their cut so unbelievably ludicroius..something like $8 a CD? =A0It's preposteous. =A0 ArialKris =A0 Arialp.s. I love your quote...not too good for a solipsist, though. :) Arial----- Original Message ----- = ArialFrom:Arial 0000,0000,EEEEbruce tovsky = ArialTo:Arial = 0000,0000,EEEELoopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com = = ArialSent:Arial Monday, January 09, 2006 12:54 PM = ArialSubject:Arial Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: SERVICES THAT CAN=A0DISTRIBUTE YOUR CD = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/= products/audio bruce tovsky 0000,0000,EEEEwww.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-4--369564712-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 00:18:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09F33BF1D; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:18:26 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c6157b$60f111d0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060109235757.71244.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYVeIUamggh+5MyT6euYHcn7GWdHgAAJrpg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Had a look at RMX Stylus at a friend's place. First thing I noticed is = it's quite ressource-hungry (with regard to CPU load at least). Sadly, this = is a k.o. criterion for me. Coming from playing a setup containing eight HU = of rack space, a 24-ch/6 aux mixer with 4-band eqs per channel, three = synths and a little bit of small stuff (Kaoss, DL4), I have to economize on CPU load to be able to work the way I want to work - with a system so = complex it's able to do things I do not understand ;-). Battery (like all of NI's samplers) are a great choice for drum sounds because they include enough flexibility to further shape your static = samples in a dynamic way.=20 Now, again a question: On my quest for VST plugins (Windows!) that are not ressource-hungry, = I'm looking: a) for something like a multi-fx. Think of a FireworX in plugin form. = Only real requirement: low CPU usage. b) a limiter. For my mains, so no clipping hits the converters. Requirements: low CPU usage. c) a kind of dynamic processor that allows me to add more "punch" to a single track or submix. Requirements: extremely simple UI (I want to = have one knob which works from "no processing at all" to "super overpunched" (think Marylin Manson "This is the New Shit"/Chorus). And low CPU usage = ;-) Any ideas on this? Rainer PS: anyone using the Behringer BCR2000 fader box? I have a problem with = the editor software - it won't transmit to the BCR (error msg. "It seems the controller is busy while transmitting $Re6" or something like it). = Ideas, anyone? > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 00:58 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - MIDI-programmable=20 > drum sequencer >=20 > I'm having a great time composing drums using BATTERY. > It's pretty brilliant and since it's just a sample player=20 > that sits inside a sequencer that I already know as an .au=20 > (Digital Performer) Simple but so much more effective than=20 > working with any drum machine I've ever used... though=20 > sometimes I do long for a quick pattern based interface... GURU maybe? >=20 > Also... what is Stylus exactly? Hard to tell from the=20 > site... seems like premade grooves you mix together in some=20 > way? I'm actually looking for something like that. =20 > Something that's FAST for creating a quick groove to loop to.=20 > I hate when I spend an evening making drums only to find=20 > I've not touched a guitar and it's time to go to bed. I'm=20 > often just wanting fast good drums that A) change like a song=20 > (or can be quickly made to do so) and B) will give me clock=20 > out for my Repeater. >=20 > Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if it's very=20 > "preset" as I have lots that isn't. >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar=20 > Straschill wrote: > >=20 > > > Now I would be looking for something like a > > MIDI-controllable drum > > > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). > >=20 > > iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have a OS X Mac. It's=20 > > basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in drum sample player. > > A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far more advanced=20 > > regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind and Mac).=20 > Both iDrum and=20 > > GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" > > inspired by the > > legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their own sequnces,=20 > > organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus RMX also have=20 > a unique=20 > > sound but now built in sequencer. You have to drive RMX with MIDI=20 > > sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and GURU). RMX=20 > has some=20 > > interesting random scriptiing and effect processing options. > >=20 > > Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample Player built into the > > software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the drum kits has to be=20 > > dropped into Live slots on a track that is set to feed the Impulse. > >=20 > > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options as you're requests=20 > > are not very detailed. You will have to go to each products=20 > manual to=20 > > check out if it will let you do what you have in mind. As far as=20 > > changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will let you do=20 > that. Go to=20 > > the manufacturers web pages and watch the movies. > > At least > > Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo and tutorial videos. > > These apps all have their own unique sound - even the cheap=20 > iDrum - so=20 > > it's hard to recommend anything unheard. > >=20 > > Greetings from Sweden > >=20 > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about.=20 > Just $16.99/mo. or less.=20 > dsl.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 00:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9E093BEF1; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I8yg1cjpyh50CtK62tpU1sREweAyfmC1VvGR963x1uqFSVnQRRfadOuIzhEnB4JZkiY7XjnIx9ycVybuNBAsaKf8ZSjhe2yXtGWJS+iZ+NpTLT8TdVPW+j5lDhUCy8hbdApMGY5JbLsksSK4UDsj+HXvTPV4b+1ZcMZknod80M8= ; Message-ID: <20060110004213.27465.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:42:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c6157b$60f111d0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Heh, we've gone from "needs to be one rackspace" to "needs to use less CPU cycles..." We humans are so silly. Since I'm not using it live it's probably OK for me, but I think you'll have a hard time finding decent reverbs that aren't resource hungry. That's always been a problem. I've seen some hardware accelators.. not sure how well they work but it may be the answer to your problems: http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEPCCOMPACT of course, for that price you can get a very cool multi effects processor. :) Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Had a look at RMX Stylus at a friend's place. First > thing I noticed is it's > quite ressource-hungry (with regard to CPU load at > least). Sadly, this is a > k.o. criterion for me. Coming from playing a setup > containing eight HU of > rack space, a 24-ch/6 aux mixer with 4-band eqs per > channel, three synths > and a little bit of small stuff (Kaoss, DL4), I have > to economize on CPU > load to be able to work the way I want to work - > with a system so complex > it's able to do things I do not understand ;-). > > Battery (like all of NI's samplers) are a great > choice for drum sounds > because they include enough flexibility to further > shape your static samples > in a dynamic way. > > > Now, again a question: > On my quest for VST plugins (Windows!) that are not > ressource-hungry, I'm > looking: > > a) for something like a multi-fx. Think of a > FireworX in plugin form. Only > real requirement: low CPU usage. > > b) a limiter. For my mains, so no clipping hits the > converters. > Requirements: low CPU usage. > > c) a kind of dynamic processor that allows me to add > more "punch" to a > single track or submix. Requirements: extremely > simple UI (I want to have > one knob which works from "no processing at all" to > "super overpunched" > (think Marylin Manson "This is the New > Shit"/Chorus). And low CPU usage ;-) > > Any ideas on this? > > Rainer > > PS: anyone using the Behringer BCR2000 fader box? I > have a problem with the > editor software - it won't transmit to the BCR > (error msg. "It seems the > controller is busy while transmitting $Re6" or > something like it). Ideas, > anyone? > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 00:58 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - > MIDI-programmable > > drum sequencer > > > > I'm having a great time composing drums using > BATTERY. > > It's pretty brilliant and since it's just a > sample player > > that sits inside a sequencer that I already know > as an .au > > (Digital Performer) Simple but so much more > effective than > > working with any drum machine I've ever used... > though > > sometimes I do long for a quick pattern based > interface... GURU maybe? > > > > Also... what is Stylus exactly? Hard to tell from > the > > site... seems like premade grooves you mix > together in some > > way? I'm actually looking for something like > that. > > Something that's FAST for creating a quick groove > to loop to. > > I hate when I spend an evening making drums only > to find > > I've not touched a guitar and it's time to go to > bed. I'm > > often just wanting fast good drums that A) change > like a song > > (or can be quickly made to do so) and B) will give > me clock > > out for my Repeater. > > > > Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if > it's very > > "preset" as I have lots that isn't. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius > Balthasar > > Straschill wrote: > > > > > > > Now I would be looking for something like a > > > MIDI-controllable drum > > > > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). > > > > > > iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have > a OS X Mac. It's > > > basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in > drum sample player. > > > A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far > more advanced > > > regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind > and Mac). > > Both iDrum and > > > GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" > > > inspired by the > > > legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their > own sequnces, > > > organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus > RMX also have > > a unique > > > sound but now built in sequencer. You have to > drive RMX with MIDI > > > sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and > GURU). RMX > > has some > > > interesting random scriptiing and effect > processing options. > > > > > > Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample > Player built into the > > > software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the > drum kits has to be > > > dropped into Live slots on a track that is set > to feed the Impulse. > > > > > > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options > as you're requests > > > are not very detailed. You will have to go to > each products > > manual to > > > check out if it will let you do what you have in > mind. As far as > > > changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will > let you do > > that. Go to > > > the manufacturers web pages and watch the > movies. > > > At least > > > Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo > and tutorial videos. > > > These apps all have their own unique sound - > even the cheap > > iDrum - so > > > it's hard to recommend anything unheard. > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________ > > Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 01:01:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02483BEFF; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:01:23 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060110004213.27465.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYVfqcWsN5a86V2RYC+jk60WPFF/gAAW/EA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:01:28 +0000 (UTC) I should have been more specific when talking about the multi-fx. I = don't need pristine or even decent quality, especially not from the reverb = (that is because all the reverbs I have been using in the last years were = sounding artifical on purpose). If a chorus sounds like it has been done with a Commodore C64, then so be it.=20 >From the plugin market I'm aware of, think PSP Nitro for people without enough CPU power... Rainer=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 01:42 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and=20 > compressor/limiter VST >=20 > Heh, we've gone from "needs to be one rackspace" to "needs to=20 > use less CPU cycles..." We humans are so silly. Since I'm=20 > not using it live it's probably OK for me, but I think you'll=20 > have a hard time finding decent reverbs that aren't resource=20 > hungry. That's always been a problem. I've seen some=20 > hardware accelators.. not sure how well they work but it may=20 > be the answer to your problems: >=20 > http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEPCCOMPACT >=20 > of course, for that price you can get a very cool multi=20 > effects processor. :) >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >=20 > > Had a look at RMX Stylus at a friend's place. First thing I=20 > noticed is=20 > > it's quite ressource-hungry (with regard to CPU load at=20 > least). Sadly,=20 > > this is a k.o. criterion for me. Coming from playing a setup=20 > > containing eight HU of rack space, a 24-ch/6 aux mixer with=20 > 4-band eqs=20 > > per channel, three synths and a little bit of small stuff (Kaoss,=20 > > DL4), I have to economize on CPU load to be able to work the way I=20 > > want to work - with a system so complex it's able to do things I do=20 > > not understand ;-). > >=20 > > Battery (like all of NI's samplers) are a great choice for=20 > drum sounds=20 > > because they include enough flexibility to further shape=20 > your static=20 > > samples in a dynamic way. > >=20 > >=20 > > Now, again a question: > > On my quest for VST plugins (Windows!) that are not > > ressource-hungry, I'm > > looking: > >=20 > > a) for something like a multi-fx. Think of a > > FireworX in plugin form. Only > > real requirement: low CPU usage. > >=20 > > b) a limiter. For my mains, so no clipping hits the > > converters. > > Requirements: low CPU usage. > >=20 > > c) a kind of dynamic processor that allows me to add > > more "punch" to a > > single track or submix. Requirements: extremely > > simple UI (I want to have > > one knob which works from "no processing at all" to > > "super overpunched" > > (think Marylin Manson "This is the New > > Shit"/Chorus). And low CPU usage ;-) > >=20 > > Any ideas on this? > >=20 > > Rainer > >=20 > > PS: anyone using the Behringer BCR2000 fader box? I > > have a problem with the > > editor software - it won't transmit to the BCR > > (error msg. "It seems the > > controller is busy while transmitting $Re6" or > > something like it). Ideas, > > anyone? > >=20 > >=20 > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: mark sottilaro > > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 00:58 > > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - > > MIDI-programmable=20 > > > drum sequencer > > >=20 > > > I'm having a great time composing drums using > > BATTERY. > > > It's pretty brilliant and since it's just a > > sample player=20 > > > that sits inside a sequencer that I already know > > as an .au=20 > > > (Digital Performer) Simple but so much more > > effective than=20 > > > working with any drum machine I've ever used... > > though=20 > > > sometimes I do long for a quick pattern based > > interface... GURU maybe? > > >=20 > > > Also... what is Stylus exactly? Hard to tell from > > the=20 > > > site... seems like premade grooves you mix > > together in some=20 > > > way? I'm actually looking for something like > > that. =20 > > > Something that's FAST for creating a quick groove > > to loop to.=20 > > > I hate when I spend an evening making drums only > > to find=20 > > > I've not touched a guitar and it's time to go to > > bed. I'm=20 > > > often just wanting fast good drums that A) change > > like a song=20 > > > (or can be quickly made to do so) and B) will give > > me clock=20 > > > out for my Repeater. > > >=20 > > > Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if > > it's very=20 > > > "preset" as I have lots that isn't. > > >=20 > > > Mark > > >=20 > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > >=20 > > > > On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius > > Balthasar=20 > > > Straschill wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > > Now I would be looking for something like a > > > > MIDI-controllable drum > > > > > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). > > > >=20 > > > > iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have > > a OS X Mac. It's=20 > > > > basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in > > drum sample player. > > > > A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far > > more advanced=20 > > > > regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind > > and Mac).=20 > > > Both iDrum and=20 > > > > GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" > > > > inspired by the > > > > legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their > > own sequnces,=20 > > > > organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus > > RMX also have=20 > > > a unique=20 > > > > sound but now built in sequencer. You have to > > drive RMX with MIDI=20 > > > > sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and > > GURU). RMX=20 > > > has some=20 > > > > interesting random scriptiing and effect > > processing options. > > > >=20 > > > > Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample > > Player built into the > > > > software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the > > drum kits has to be=20 > > > > dropped into Live slots on a track that is set > > to feed the Impulse. > > > >=20 > > > > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options > > as you're requests=20 > > > > are not very detailed. You will have to go to > > each products=20 > > > manual to=20 > > > > check out if it will let you do what you have in > > mind. As far as=20 > > > > changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will > > let you do=20 > > > that. Go to=20 > > > > the manufacturers web pages and watch the > > movies. > > > > At least > > > > Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo > > and tutorial videos. > > > > These apps all have their own unique sound - > > even the cheap=20 > > > iDrum - so=20 > > > > it's hard to recommend anything unheard. > > > >=20 > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > >=20 > > > > Per Boysen > > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > =09 > > > __________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about.=20 > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less.=20 > > > dsl.yahoo.com=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > __________________________________________=20 > Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about.=20 > Just $16.99/mo. or less.=20 > dsl.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 01:21:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 325293BEF1; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C30C16.1000805@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:21:26 -0800 From: "loop.pool" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LOOPERS DELIGHT Subject: question for KIM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kim, Is there any possibility that the Digest could be converted to one DAILY Digest? Lately there have been so many messages to the list that we are recieving several Digests a day. I've talked to several people who are considering unsubscribing because of the volume of email and I thought if this could be accomplished it would reduce everyone's email load on a daily basis. Would you consider making this change or is it even possible? Whatever the answer is, it always goes unsaid how grateful we all are for this amazing community that you provide for us with your work and investment..............thanks, loads. yours, respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 01:33:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E0F33BEF8; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C30EDB.6070804@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:33:15 -0800 From: "loop.pool" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LOOPERS DELIGHT Subject: re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Joe Rut wrote: "I'm usually pretty pessimistic about geting my stuff out there, and have to keep reminding myself that "failures" are simply part of the overall strategy leading to successes. If you send your info to 10 "places and 9 of them have no effect, but 1 of them does, that is a success! Yeah, I'm right with you on that Joe. I have to remind myself that even a well thought out cynical approach has to be constantly updated, merely because there is a danger in viewing the world in an unexamined way. I've been cynical as hell about the local music scene in Santa Cruz and suddenly, we got the City Council to pass an ordinance that lifted all entertainment fees from any venue that has less than 100 people at a musical performance. Suddenly, it now becomes us as artists to start getting out there and trying to gig again. Also, I think the Beatles were passed up by at least a dozen record companies before one bought them. Imagine if they had given up after ten rejections? rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 01:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3DD73BF02; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C30F8B.4@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:36:11 -0800 From: "loop.pool" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LOOPERS DELIGHT Subject: re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "I did that for a month straight until my Google search results increased 10 fold." How does one determine how one's GOOGLE traffic has increase, Kris? r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 01:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 633263BF01; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04e701c61587$ad660370$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43C30C16.1000805@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: question for KIM Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:46:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=192903, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Or perhaps making 3 options: email, 1 digest, multiple digests. Google groups provides this same option. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: question for KIM > Hey Kim, > > Is there any possibility that the Digest could be converted to one > DAILY Digest? > > Lately there have been so many messages to the list that we are recieving > several > Digests a day. I've talked to several people who are considering > unsubscribing because > of the volume of email and I thought if this could be accomplished it > would reduce > everyone's email load on a daily basis. > > Would you consider making this change or is it even possible? > > Whatever the answer is, it always goes unsaid how grateful we all are > for this amazing community that you provide for us with your work and > investment..............thanks, loads. > > yours, respectfully, Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 02:00:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8491E3BEE1; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43C30F8B.4@cruzio.com> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:00:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=192912, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:00:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "loop.pool" > How does one determine how one's GOOGLE traffic has increase, Kris? > > r KEEPING TABS ON YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET I type my complete performance name in quotes in the Google search engine: "Krispen Hartung", plus the words "music", "looping", your instrument, etc. Try various combinations. Otherwise, it finds all sorts of pages with just "Hartung" in them"....not a lot of "Krispen's" I'm afraid. :) Then I do the same in the Google Groups search box. It's a good way to keep tabs on yourself, or boost your ego..one of the two. Example: "Krispen Hartung" looping yields 1230 pages Try it yourself with various secondary phrases and see what you come up with. It's sort of fun. I find new articles all of the time that I had no knowlege of being published. Here is another cool trick. Go to Google News (http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q= ), type in your name, and then click "Get the latest news on Krispen-Hartung looping with Google Alerts". You can select News, Web, or Both (I do both), and each time a new news article or web page appears on the internet with your name on it, you will get an alert in your email. Examples: "Krispen Hartung" looping yielded this: http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" > Kris wrote: > "I did that for a month straight until my Google search results increased > 10 fold." > > > How does one determine how one's GOOGLE traffic has increase, Kris? > > r. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 02:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A00D93BEFA; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qh9tRQgYYwl2xOuqJ1CLN0uaEODpdaXv6Jny9wkTYRxgaI/H9hj46gniOgZg5JLo; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006121021115190@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:11:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a3c160699802786b06f49e997ae88198350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.132 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:04:52 +0000 (UTC) "I think there is also a lot lower appreciation for the arts in general." I'd concur. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 1/9/2006 6:38:18 PM > Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > My own experience has been much the same as the rest here.... Over the past 10 > years I've witnessed a steady decline in sales, it used to make up most of my > income, but now is only a fraction. For instance; there is a very high class > art show in the summer that I would go to for no pay but in exchange for booth > space I'd play and demo the cds. 8 yrs ago I could count on selling around > $4,000.00 over the 3 days, Last summer I did that show again after taking a > break from it for a few years so I had new product, I still only sold about > $800.00. The only thing that kept me from feeling really bad about it is that > all the artisans are experiencing the same thing. A jeweler I know used > to make > his entire income for the year at the One of a Kind show in Toronto, > that's a 10 > day Christmas show, he used to sell somewhere in the neighborhood of > $120,000.00 > at that one show, last year he sold about $18,000.00. > > I agree that there is a great deal less disposable income, but also I think > there is also a lot lower appreciation for the arts in general. A good friend > who is a fine artist had a show in one of the top galleries in Toronto > recently > told me how this one woman came in with chips of paint and was only concerned > with what would go with her living room colours. Absolutely no recognition for > the art work and what was being communicated. > > So I just try and hang in there, do the music to please myself and pursue the > styles that interest me and hopefully when society at large rediscovers an > interest in the sorts of music that I do, I'll still be there playing > for them. > > > I'd also like to mention that I recently got Bernhard's cds, purchased and or > traded for... Thanks!!!! there is so much there to explore and inspire me! > > All the best from Ontario, Canada > > > Paul Haslem > > > > > > > > Quoting Travis Hartnett : > > > That's good for people who enjoy gigging, live where there's > > sufficient opportunities, and who offer a compelling performance > > experience, but not so good for people in the sticks who don't shine > > on stage, or whose music doesn't translate as well to the live > > format... > > > > TravisH > > > > On 1/8/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> > >> So for us non-signed artists, it's back to make money from performing (just > >> the way it was before the advent of CD recording technology at your > >> fingertips). > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 02:11:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668F93BEF5; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iaG6sFhL1slM9Rrzae31favTYZ8mA2rvWZoC1RTEufF9tsOq/EXOW5ok96uBSxpIrPtmjuxqZz3DWRwWb28/IHthR7+Co3JQM7yAYkgSO0dqVcH+SeUvZLUVuWlrReKkOD5fYSK2BV1Q1wJe2R+Ht83HzkuTMLMkGmtaCwpDBGA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:11:49 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <20060109183811.07lg7yg7k8gwk4sc@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060109183811.07lg7yg7k8gwk4sc@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:11:51 +0000 (UTC) On the other hand, over time an artist's output and public taste may diverge. If Paul McCartney's sales can go down over the years, so can ours. TravisH On 1/9/06, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > My own experience has been much the same as the rest here.... Over the pa= st 10 > years I've witnessed a steady decline in sales, it used to make up most o= f my > income, but now is only a fraction. For instance; there is a very high cl= ass > art show in the summer that I would go to for no pay but in exchange for = booth > space I'd play and demo the cds. 8 yrs ago I could count on selling aroun= d > $4,000.00 over the 3 days, Last summer I did that show again after taking= a > break from it for a few years so I had new product, I still only sold abo= ut > $800.00. The only thing that kept me from feeling really bad about it is = that > all the artisans are experiencing the same thing. A jeweler I know used > to make > his entire income for the year at the One of a Kind show in Toronto, > that's a 10 > day Christmas show, he used to sell somewhere in the neighborhood of > $120,000.00 > at that one show, last year he sold about $18,000.00. > > I agree that there is a great deal less disposable income, but also I thi= nk > there is also a lot lower appreciation for the arts in general. A good fr= iend > who is a fine artist had a show in one of the top galleries in Toronto > recently > told me how this one woman came in with chips of paint and was only conce= rned > with what would go with her living room colours. Absolutely no recognitio= n for > the art work and what was being communicated. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 03:29:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C723BEEC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: grassysound@comcast.net (Bill Campbell ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss DD-20 and Volume Pedals Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:29:51 +0000 Message-Id: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z3Jhc3N5c291bmRAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23062_1136863791_0" Resent-Message-ID: <1tVUPC.A.F6.zoywDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:29:55 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23062_1136863791_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, after researching analyzing the kind suggestions from fellow mailing list members, I bought my first looping device: the Boss DD-20. I've only had it for several days, but I'm like a kid in a candy store with it, fooling around with its myriad possibilities. One question though: it has a plug-in for a control pedal, but it appears that the pedal in question is for changing tones only. I'm interested in hooking up a volume pedal to it, as I'm very keen on utilizing volume swirls with my guitar. Will a volume pedal work with the DD-20? Thanks in advance. Bill --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23062_1136863791_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Well, after researching analyzing the kind suggestions from fellow mailing list members, I bought my first looping device: the Boss DD-20.  I've only had it for several days, but I'm like a kid in a candy store with it, fooling around with its myriad possibilities.  One question though: it has a plug-in for a control pedal, but it appears that the pedal in question is for changing tones only.  I'm interested in hooking up a volume pedal to it, as I'm very keen on utilizing volume swirls with my guitar.  Will a volume pedal work with the DD-20?  Thanks in advance.
 
Bill
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23062_1136863791_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 03:41:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BF843BEFF; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <43C30C16.1000805@cruzio.com> References: <43C30C16.1000805@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: question for KIM Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:41:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 08bf0c97-818b-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <4o6nI.A.pQB.A0ywDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:41:52 +0000 (UTC) You know, that would be GREAT. I read every post on the Looper list (of all the lists I subscribe to, it's my favorite!) but downloading the messages is getting difficult when I'm on tour. I was just about to unsubscribe for the rest of the month... grateful as always.... Zoe On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:21 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Hey Kim, > > Is there any possibility that the Digest could be converted to one > DAILY Digest? > > Lately there have been so many messages to the list that we are > recieving several > Digests a day. I've talked to several people who are considering > unsubscribing because > of the volume of email and I thought if this could be accomplished > it would reduce > everyone's email load on a daily basis. > > Would you consider making this change or is it even possible? > > Whatever the answer is, it always goes unsaid how grateful we all > are for this amazing community that you provide for us with your > work and investment..............thanks, loads. > > yours, respectfully, Rick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 04:03:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BCCD3BEF5; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109194558.04847720@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:06:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: question for KIM In-Reply-To: <43C30C16.1000805@cruzio.com> References: <43C30C16.1000805@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:03:33 +0000 (UTC) At 05:21 PM 1/9/2006, loop.pool wrote: >Hey Kim, > >Is there any possibility that the Digest could be converted to one >DAILY Digest? well, only 2 people have asked for that in the last 9 years, so I would really need to see more interest before making fundamental changes to how the digest operates. If I change it just for those 2 then I'll probably get a whole bunch of other people complaining that they want it back the other way. So, if digest users think this is important, please email me off list so I can gauge interest. honestly, I never understand problems like this, since any mail program created in the last 10 years has easy to use mail filtering options. So you just set up a separate directory and filter LD mail into it so it doesn't get in your way. pretty easy. >Lately there have been so many messages to the list that we are recieving >several >Digests a day. I've talked to several people who are considering >unsubscribing because of the volume of email and I thought if this could >be accomplished it would reduce everyone's email load on a daily basis. I think it would be more useful if you guys addressed the real problem here. A lot of extra digests go out because people waste a huge amount of space in their posts. This fills the space in the digest with junk, and then you get a lot of extra digests. Making the digest come out once a day doesn't fix this. People do this to you in two ways: - being lazy and not editing out the unnecessary previous comments when replying to a post. Everybody saw the previous post, you don't need to repeat the whole thing! Just leave in stuff related to your reply. Some posts are huge because people just add a short comment on top and leave miles of text underneath. That is a style of email common to corporate environments but inappropriate for mailing lists. - posting in HTML. Nothing is gained by posting in HTML, and it screws up the digest. The HTML makes a mail a least 3 times larger, and sometimes as much as 10 times larger. Please post in plain text. Both of these habits are really disrespectful to the digest users. Please stop. Digest users, feel free to fuss at people who do this to you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 04:19:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6993BEEE; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109200655.04847868@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:22:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE In-Reply-To: <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <43C30F8B.4@cruzio.com> <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_6B2o.A.WjC.LXzwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:19:24 +0000 (UTC) At 06:00 PM 1/9/2006, Kris Hartung wrote: >From: "loop.pool" >>How does one determine how one's GOOGLE traffic has increase, Kris? >> >>r > >KEEPING TABS ON YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET > >I type my complete performance name in quotes in the Google search engine: that's certainly an interesting way to learn how widely spread your name is on the internet, but actually doesn't answer Rick's question about measuring the traffic. Any decent web host should provide you with web site statistics, and probably some application for analyzing the data. With that it is easy to see how many page views you get, how many unique users, what pages people go to, etc. It is also easy to see where a person came from when they clicked a link, since referrer data is logged by the web server. So you can see how many people come from a given site or a given page on another site. In this way, you can easily see how many came from Google or Yahoo or wherever. You can see how much the traffic from that site has changed in the last week or month or whatever. You can also see the specific search strings they used to find you, since that is part of the referring URL at google. It can be pretty interesting, and really helpful for helping you to maximize the usefulness of your website. (and sometimes weird, I noticed in the LD stats the other day that a small number of people were referred to LD from a site called extremeblowjobs.com. I can only guess why there would be a link to LD there.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 04:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 977EC3BEE0; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <057f01c615a0$4f825510$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43C30F8B.4@cruzio.com> <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060109200655.04847868@loopers-delight.com> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:42:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=192984, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <58fqxB.A.X-C.MtzwDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:42:52 +0000 (UTC) >>KEEPING TABS ON YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET >From: "loop.pool" >>How does one determine how one's GOOGLE traffic has increase, Kris? >>I type my complete performance name in quotes in the Google search engine: > > that's certainly an interesting way to learn how widely spread your name > is on the internet, but actually doesn't answer Rick's question about > measuring the traffic. I don't know, does it Rick? Your question was in response to me saying that when I searched for myself on Google, more results came up after I had entered my artist info on a variety of musician sites. That was the context. My answer seemed like a logical extension of the context, but forgive me if I misinterpreted it. If you were asking how to tell how many hits you are getting on your web site and from where, then I would have responded as Kim did below, but with actual examples of services, ways of doing it, etc. And what if "any decent web host" doesn't provide you with this info? Well, then I would have listed services like those listed here: http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_counters.htm Google analytics is one such tool, when it becomes available. http://www.google.com/analytics/ I just signed up to be notified when it is available. Cheers, Kris > > Any decent web host should provide you with web site statistics, and > probably some application for analyzing the data. With that it is easy to > see how many page views you get, how many unique users, what pages people > go to, etc. It is also easy to see where a person came from when they > clicked a link, since referrer data is logged by the web server. So you > can see how many people come from a given site or a given page on another > site. > > In this way, you can easily see how many came from Google or Yahoo or > wherever. You can see how much the traffic from that site has changed in > the last week or month or whatever. You can also see the specific search > strings they used to find you, since that is part of the referring URL at > google. It can be pretty interesting, and really helpful for helping you > to maximize the usefulness of your website. > > (and sometimes weird, I noticed in the LD stats the other day that a small > number of people were referred to LD from a site called > extremeblowjobs.com. I can only guess why there would be a link to LD > there.) > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 04:50:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9B93BEE7; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c615a1$6290c2d0$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109200655.04847868@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:50:27 +0000 (UTC) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D (and sometimes weird, I noticed in the LD stats the other day that a = small=20 number of people were referred to LD from a site called=20 extremeblowjobs.com. I can only guess why there would be a link to LD there.) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Not to get too detailed about it, but those referrer stats aren't all = that reliable. They are OK for getting a sense of things, but I wouldn't read = too much into a "small number" of anything that comes up in a report. -- Sarth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 04:53:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774613BEF4; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: question for KIM Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109194558.04847720@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:53:23 +0000 (UTC) honestly, I never understand problems like this, since any mail program=20 created in the last 10 years has easy to use mail filtering options. So = you=20 just set up a separate directory and filter LD mail into it so it = doesn't=20 get in your way. pretty easy. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= I would agree with you if not for the fact that outlook on my new = machine has decided my "move to" filter really means "copy to and mark as read" = so I now get LD emails in my LD folder (marked unread) AND in my inbox = (marked as read). I hate Microsoft. -- Sarth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 05:07:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634333BEEA; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--351391738 Message-Id: <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: where's the money? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:06:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2794834991 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtZ39nMT322WDIp8D6XICnP7jzgSUkp7g+g== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.140.24.122|smtp02.nyc.untd.com|outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:07:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--351391738 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed with all this discussion of declining CD sales, "selling ourselves" and so forth, i was wondering... it seems to me that most artists' don't make most of their income from CD sales. there are artists like Brian Eno, John Cage, philosopher-types one might say, who have managed to brand themselves essentially and are far more well known than their record sales would indicate. Eno said he'd never sold more than 10,000 copies of a record. but you can find his name in any history of modern music, and he makes pretty good money on associated activities like speaking engagements, production, etc. plus, he gets to do whatever he really wants without being restricted by thoughts of how much his new CD might sell, thoughts of suicide at over- commercialization, or who copies it off the web for free. or, take even a hyper-commercial artist that does sell a lot of "records", for example U2. i imagine U2 makes considerably more money on concert tours and promotional deals (film licensing also, etc.) than from album sales. the record company might make more on the CD sales... but not the artist. so, the solution seems to be that if you want to make your own music and do the things that interest you (music and otherwise) try and brand yourself and sell/perform that. it can't be copied illegally or downloaded, whatever. and it's tough for others to take a cut. plus, it's gotta be a lot more fun. in this multi- media age i don't think an artist should be restricted to the sound on a disc as a complete representation of their work (which is to say, of themselves). make what is of value how you do something and the ideas behind it rather than the resulting object/ossification from one instance of that process. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Woody Guthrie: "This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright #154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to do." --Apple-Mail-1--351391738 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 with all this discussion of = declining CD sales, "selling ourselves" and so forth, i was wondering... = it seems to me that most artists' don't make most of their income from = CD sales. there are artists like Brian Eno, John Cage, philosopher-types = one might say, who have managed to brand themselves essentially and are = far more well known than their record sales would indicate. Eno said = he'd never sold more than 10,000 copies of a record. but you can find = his name in any history of modern music, and he makes pretty good money = on associated activities like speaking engagements, production, etc.=A0 = plus, he gets to do whatever he really wants without being restricted by = thoughts of how much his new CD might sell, thoughts of suicide at = over-commercialization, or who copies it off the web for free. or, take = even a hyper-commercial artist that does sell a lot of "records", for = example U2. i imagine U2 makes considerably more money on concert tours = and promotional deals (film licensing also, etc.) than from album sales. = the record company might make more on the CD sales... but not the = artist. so, the solution seems to be that if you want to make your own = music and do the things that interest you (music and otherwise) try and = brand yourself and sell/perform that. it can't be copied illegally or = downloaded, whatever. and it's tough for others to take a cut. plus, = it's gotta be a lot more fun. in this multi-media age i don't think an = artist should be restricted to the sound on a disc as a complete = representation of their work (which is to say, of themselves). make what = is of value how you do something and the ideas behind it rather than the = resulting object/ossification from one instance of that = process.



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Woody Guthrie:

"This song is Copyrighted in = U.S., under Seal of Copyright #154085, for a period of 28 years, and = anybody caught singin it without our permission, will be mighty good = friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing = it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to = do."


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= --Apple-Mail-1--351391738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 05:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60DC63BEFB; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: question for KIM regarding digest form Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:26:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109194558.04847720@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:26:47 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to see the folks who are posting several times a day show a little self restraint or at least be a bit more concise in their posts. Or if the subject is a bit off topic, perhaps responding to the individual rather than the group. I know we all make mistakes like this, lord knows I sent some frivolous posts to LD, but its gotten to the point where I won't read a person's posts if there are several of them in a row. Or if the post is long winded I'll often skip it. I don't want to discourage people from sharing information on this site, or speaking their minds, but it does seem like people sometimes wax on ad nauseum, when they could edit there points to a paragraph or two. Brevity is a good thing. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 05:40:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503CC3BEEC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kGWr2MIaQuAzYXXq5yP+NBy1djt4ruA6m+dYdQJU8+yBYVnnwsGco85kLaq2DP5QD2Swnc2f0QPZbqlIMZPLemYkCkfR24taNPGQHxbUFV+2s7PIdiGGwm4bhKXQbTIuwbcoXCMA6FwIxc5+1IUDyjwptIM5Jsz5wTwEWr3tXrs= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:40:23 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where's the money? In-Reply-To: <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Eno was in a "hot" band (Roxy Music) before striking out on his own in a time when musicians could put out a series of small-selling records and not get dropped. His production skills, work ethic, self-promotion skills and canny sense of the direction of popular music put him as the right guy in the right place at the right time repeatedly--Bowie in Berlin, the late 70's New York punk scene, ambient music, U2, and so on. He doesn't regard himself as primarily a "musician", and moves between music, visual art, design theory, philosophy, charity work and just about everything else. For those who do define themselves primarily as a "musician", the question may not be "How can I make money in music and art related fields?" but perhaps "How can I get people to give me money for music I've recorded and performances?" Personally, I have almost zero interest in getting involved in music production, interactive screen savers, ambient art installations, speaking engagements or any of the other fascinating Eno projects, but I am very interested in getting paid to play music in public and sell CDs directly related to that music, and that's been the center of this recent thread. Brian Eno and John Cage are more the exception than the rule for "How do I make a living in music?" TravisH On 1/9/06, 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > with all this discussion of declining CD sales, "selling ourselves" and s= o > forth, i was wondering... it seems to me that most artists' don't make mo= st > of their income from CD sales. there are artists like Brian Eno, John Cag= e, > philosopher-types one might say, who have managed to brand themselves > essentially and are far more well known than their record sales would > indicate. Eno said he'd never sold more than 10,000 copies of a record. b= ut > you can find his name in any history of modern music, and he makes pretty > good money on associated activities like speaking engagements, production= , > etc. plus, he gets to do whatever he really wants without being restrict= ed > by thoughts of how much his new CD might sell, thoughts of suicide at > over-commercialization, or who copies it off the web for free. or, take e= ven > a hyper-commercial artist that does sell a lot of "records", for example = U2. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 05:50:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADA53BEEC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--348757681 Message-Id: <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: where's the money? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:50:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 1:1:4287880348 X-MAIL-INFO:02b53d543979c1b5b070792460114d301d814571b10d69f50c21d1208d1170c029257d89958d803979b4ed7954a45485243d14 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtf9O1OvzWedZ3K3XAM6M/TxFLNnPlUV5HA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.140.24.123|smtp03.nyc.untd.com|outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:50:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--348757681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i think you'd be better off giving away CDs to boost your audience so you could charge higher ticket prices for your performances, rather than trying to make money from selling CDs. eno was on the first roxy album only if i recall. he's the right guy in the right place only in retrospect. more importantly, he's connected his activities so that they support each other. also, he's a "modern" artist in the sense that he's adapted to the current system to incorporate various elements to reflect his interests/ concerns/hobbies/whatever. the idea of making a living "as a musician" primarily from selling "records" seems historically recent, perhaps never true anyway to the artists, and largely pushed by record companies. if you want to make a living solely by playing music and no other activity, do just that - play music. concerts, performances, whatever. the more CDs and free songs off the P2P networks people download the more you'll make at your shows. at least, you can be fairly sure it's not taking away anyone from your shows ;) On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:40 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Eno was in a "hot" band (Roxy Music) before striking out on his own in > a time when musicians could put out a series of small-selling records > and not get dropped. His production skills, work ethic, > self-promotion skills and canny sense of the direction of popular > music put him as the right guy in the right place at the right time > repeatedly--Bowie in Berlin, the late 70's New York punk scene, > ambient music, U2, and so on. He doesn't regard himself as primarily > a "musician", and moves between music, visual art, design theory, > philosophy, charity work and just about everything else. > > For those who do define themselves primarily as a "musician", the > question may not be "How can I make money in music and art related > fields?" but perhaps "How can I get people to give me money for music > I've recorded and performances?" Personally, I have almost zero > interest in getting involved in music production, interactive screen > savers, ambient art installations, speaking engagements or any of the > other fascinating Eno projects, but I am very interested in getting > paid to play music in public and sell CDs directly related to that > music, and that's been the center of this recent thread. > > Brian Eno and John Cage are more the exception than the rule for "How > do I make a living in music?" > > TravisH > > On 1/9/06, 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: >> with all this discussion of declining CD sales, "selling >> ourselves" and so >> forth, i was wondering... it seems to me that most artists' don't >> make most >> of their income from CD sales. there are artists like Brian Eno, >> John Cage, >> philosopher-types one might say, who have managed to brand themselves >> essentially and are far more well known than their record sales would >> indicate. Eno said he'd never sold more than 10,000 copies of a >> record. but >> you can find his name in any history of modern music, and he makes >> pretty >> good money on associated activities like speaking engagements, >> production, >> etc. plus, he gets to do whatever he really wants without being >> restricted >> by thoughts of how much his new CD might sell, thoughts of suicide at >> over-commercialization, or who copies it off the web for free. or, >> take even >> a hyper-commercial artist that does sell a lot of "records", for >> example U2. > > > ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 'The most faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org --Apple-Mail-2--348757681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
i think you'd be better off = giving away CDs to boost your audience so you could charge higher ticket = prices for your performances, rather than trying to make money from = selling CDs.

eno was on the first roxy = album only if i recall. he's the right guy in the right place only in = retrospect. more importantly, he's connected his activities so that they = support each other. also, he's a "modern" artist in the sense that he's = adapted to the current system to incorporate various elements to reflect = his interests/concerns/hobbies/whatever.

the idea of making a living = "as a musician" primarily from selling "records" seems historically = recent, perhaps never true anyway to the artists, and largely pushed by = record companies. if you want to make a living solely by playing music = and no other activity, do just that - play music. concerts, = performances, whatever. the more CDs and free songs off the P2P networks = people download the more you'll make at your shows. at least, you can be = fairly sure it's not taking away anyone from your shows ;)




On Jan 9, 2006, at = 9:40 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

Eno was in a "hot" band (Roxy Music) before striking = out on his own in
a time when musicians could put = out a series of small-selling records
and not = get dropped.=A0 His = production skills, work ethic,
music put him as the right guy = in the right place at the right time
ambient music, U2, and so = on.=A0 He doesn't regard = himself as primarily
a "musician", and moves = between music, visual art, design theory,

For = those who do define themselves primarily as a "musician", the
question may not be "How can I make money in music = and art related
fields?" but perhaps "How can I = get people to give me money for music
I've = recorded and performances?"=A0 = Personally, I have almost zero
interest = in getting involved in music production, interactive screen
savers, ambient art installations, speaking = engagements or any of the
other = fascinating Eno projects, but I am very interested in getting
paid to play music in public and sell CDs directly = related to that
music, and that's been the = center of this recent thread.

Brian Eno and John Cage are more = the exception than the rule for "How
do I make a = living in music?"

TravisH

On 1/9/06, 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote:
=
with all this discussion of = declining CD sales, "selling ourselves" and so
forth, i was wondering... it seems to me that most = artists' don't make most
of their = income from CD sales. there are artists like Brian Eno, John = Cage,
philosopher-types one might say, = who have managed to brand themselves
essentially = and are far more well known than their record sales would
indicate. Eno said he'd never sold more than 10,000 = copies of a record. but
you can find = his name in any history of modern music, and he makes pretty
good money on associated activities like speaking = engagements, production,
etc.=A0 plus, he gets to do whatever = he really wants without being restricted
by = thoughts of how much his new CD might sell, thoughts of suicide = at
over-commercialization, or who copies it off = the web for free. or, take even
a = hyper-commercial artist that does sell a lot of "records", for example = U2.





=

----- ----- ----- ----- = -----

'The most = faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org

=

= --Apple-Mail-2--348757681-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 05:54:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 882053BEE4; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:53:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Rainer: try taking a look at the Luxonix LFX-1310=20 (=20 http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=3Dlfx1310=20 ). I just downloaded and started futzing around=20 with it this week. It's not an absolute rave-up,=20 but I think it could be what you're looking for=20 -- flexible multiFX with a relatively low CPU=20 load. Best of all, it's free. Mark, Rainer is right about the CPU usage on=20 Stylus RMX. I've been using Stylus for a couple=20 of years now, since the first version was=20 released -- and was mildly disappointed by the=20 CPU utilization on RMX. There *are* some tricks=20 to get it down to a nice, low level, which is not=20 how it comes out of the box; rather, it boots=20 into a mode that really shows off some of its=20 nicer features, such as the effects. But that=20 comes at the expense of the CPU. I don't doubt=20 that was probably how Rainer's friend first=20 brought it up (I know I did the same for the=20 first few months too). The tradeoff is that it oozes quality. The drums=20 are the best of any virtual library I've come=20 across, especially if you start adding the SAGE=20 Xpanders like Backbeat or New Orleans Groove. What I might suggest for your purposes, however,=20 is to see if you can find a copy of Stylus=20 "Classic". There are still a few floating around=20 as overstock if you look. It has a ridiculously=20 low CPU usage, and it's just as ridiculously easy=20 to throw together backing beats. You can go=20 through and search the library, or, if you're in=20 an improv or writing session, fall back on the=20 groove menus. These presets have a set of=20 different beats already mapped across a keyboard.=20 They are divided by tempo, then subdivided by the=20 feel at that tempo -- slow, medium, or fast.=20 Most of the beats within one of those presets are=20 further divided (by key mapping) into the=20 elements of that groove. For instance C2 may=20 contain the complete drum loop, while C#2 only=20 has the bass drum part, D2 has the snare and=20 hats, D#2 the percussion, etc., etc. Makes for a=20 very fast way of working out a part. Then, most=20 of the grooves also have their own presets into=20 which you can go and actually edit the MIDI notes=20 of the different elements, once you've decided on=20 a base part you like. =46inally, I've got one of the Powercore systems=20 (the Powercore Firewire) and I love it. I first=20 bought it for the exact reason both of you=20 mentioned -- to get CPU load out of my rack. It=20 doesn't work as well as I'd thought it would=20 that, but only because I'm using it with live=20 material. There is a latency inherent in the=20 system (audio has to be fed out Firewire, then=20 piped back in). If you're working with=20 pre-recorded parts, most hosts now have plug-in=20 latency compensation to deal with this. However,=20 it's not so applicable to pre-delay tracks when=20 they're being composed on the fly live. ;) The=20 good news is that if you know about that ahead of=20 time, you can plot around it. For instance, I=20 didn't want to depend on the Powercore's=20 compression, because I was afraid a few=20 milliseconds of delay would "smear" the signal=20 just enough wrong to cause polarity problems at=20 the very least. That means I don't use the=20 compression plug-ins on the individual=20 instruments (which is a shame, since the 24/7 is=20 a nice emulation), but rather compress the signal=20 before hitting the A/D converter. That said, there's plenty of good stuff that can=20 be used without a problem. Anything delay-based=20 (the Classic and Mega Reverbs are worth the price=20 of admission alone, then the Chorus Delay and the=20 EQ's, and Character is really good too). The=20 Master X3 is the TC Finalizer, and I usually=20 strap that across the inserts on the main outs of=20 my host. And I'm finding uses I wouldn't have=20 normally thought of for that cheesy little SH-101=20 clone that comes with it. I'm even considering=20 either the Novation V-Station or Access Virus to=20 offload most of my synth duties from the CPU. Overall, I've probably dropped my average CPU=20 utilization by over 40% so far by using the=20 Powercore, and it sounds really, really good. Let me know if you've any specific questions, and=20 I'll be happy to address them. --m. At 2:01 AM +0100 1/10/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >I should have been more specific when talking about the multi-fx. I don't >need pristine or even decent quality, especially not from the reverb (that >is because all the reverbs I have been using in the last years were soundin= g >artifical on purpose). If a chorus sounds like it has been done with a >Commodore C64, then so be it. >>From the plugin market I'm aware of, think PSP Nitro for people without >enough CPU power... > > Rainer > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 01:42 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and >> compressor/limiter VST >> >> Heh, we've gone from "needs to be one rackspace" to "needs to >> use less CPU cycles..." We humans are so silly. Since I'm >> not using it live it's probably OK for me, but I think you'll >> have a hard time finding decent reverbs that aren't resource >> hungry. That's always been a problem. I've seen some >> hardware accelators.. not sure how well they work but it may >> be the answer to your problems: >> > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEPCCOMPACT >> >> of course, for that price you can get a very cool multi >> effects processor. :) >> >> Mark >> >> --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> >> > Had a look at RMX Stylus at a friend's place. First thing I >> noticed is >> > it's quite ressource-hungry (with regard to CPU load at >> least). Sadly, >> > this is a k.o. criterion for me. Coming from playing a setup >> > containing eight HU of rack space, a 24-ch/6 aux mixer with >> 4-band eqs >> > per channel, three synths and a little bit of small stuff (Kaoss, >> > DL4), I have to economize on CPU load to be able to work the way I >> > want to work - with a system so complex it's able to do things I do >> > not understand ;-). >> > >> > Battery (like all of NI's samplers) are a great choice for >> drum sounds >> > because they include enough flexibility to further shape >> your static >> > samples in a dynamic way. >> > >> > >> > Now, again a question: >> > On my quest for VST plugins (Windows!) that are not >> > ressource-hungry, I'm >> > looking: >> > >> > a) for something like a multi-fx. Think of a >> > FireworX in plugin form. Only >> > real requirement: low CPU usage. >> > >> > b) a limiter. For my mains, so no clipping hits the >> > converters. >> > Requirements: low CPU usage. >> > >> > c) a kind of dynamic processor that allows me to add >> > more "punch" to a >> > single track or submix. Requirements: extremely >> > simple UI (I want to have >> > one knob which works from "no processing at all" to >> > "super overpunched" >> > (think Marylin Manson "This is the New >> > Shit"/Chorus). And low CPU usage ;-) >> > >> > Any ideas on this? >> > >> > Rainer >> > >> > PS: anyone using the Behringer BCR2000 fader box? I >> > have a problem with the >> > editor software - it won't transmit to the BCR >> > (error msg. "It seems the >> > controller is busy while transmitting $Re6" or >> > something like it). Ideas, >> > anyone? >> > >> > >> > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> > > Von: mark sottilaro >> > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 00:58 >> > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > > Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - >> > MIDI-programmable >> > > drum sequencer >> > > >> > > I'm having a great time composing drums using >> > BATTERY. >> > > It's pretty brilliant and since it's just a >> > sample player >> > > that sits inside a sequencer that I already know >> > as an .au >> > > (Digital Performer) Simple but so much more >> > effective than >> > > working with any drum machine I've ever used... >> > though >> > > sometimes I do long for a quick pattern based >> > interface... GURU maybe? >> > > >> > > Also... what is Stylus exactly? Hard to tell from >> > the >> > > site... seems like premade grooves you mix >> > together in some >> > > way? I'm actually looking for something like > > > that. >> > > Something that's FAST for creating a quick groove >> > to loop to. >> > > I hate when I spend an evening making drums only >> > to find >> > > I've not touched a guitar and it's time to go to >> > bed. I'm >> > > often just wanting fast good drums that A) change >> > like a song >> > > (or can be quickly made to do so) and B) will give >> > me clock >> > > out for my Repeater. >> > > >> > > Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if >> > it's very >> > > "preset" as I have lots that isn't. >> > > >> > > Mark >> > > >> > > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> > > >> > > > On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius >> > Balthasar >> > > Straschill wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Now I would be looking for something like a >> > > > MIDI-controllable drum >> > > > > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). >> > > > >> > > > iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have >> > a OS X Mac. It's >> > > > basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in >> > drum sample player. >> > > > A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far >> > more advanced >> > > > regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind >> > and Mac). >> > > Both iDrum and >> > > > GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" >> > > > inspired by the >> > > > legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their >> > own sequnces, >> > > > organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus >> > RMX also have >> > > a unique >> > > > sound but now built in sequencer. You have to >> > drive RMX with MIDI >> > > > sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and >> > GURU). RMX >> > > has some >> > > > interesting random scriptiing and effect >> > processing options. >> > > > >> > > > Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample >> > Player built into the >> > > > software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the >> > drum kits has to be >> > > > dropped into Live slots on a track that is set >> > to feed the Impulse. >> > > > >> > > > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options >> > as you're requests >> > > > are not very detailed. You will have to go to >> > each products >> > > manual to >> > > > check out if it will let you do what you have in >> > mind. As far as >> > > > changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will >> > let you do >> > > that. Go to >> > > > the manufacturers web pages and watch the >> > movies. >> > > > At least >> > > > Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo >> > and tutorial videos. >> > > > These apps all have their own unique sound - >> > even the cheap >> > > iDrum - so >> > > > it's hard to recommend anything unheard. >> > > > >> > > > Greetings from Sweden >> > > > >> > > > Per Boysen >> > > > www.looproom.com (international) >> > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________ >> > > Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about. >> > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. >> > > dsl.yahoo.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________ >> Yahoo! DSL =96 Something to write home about. >> Just $16.99/mo. or less. >> dsl.yahoo.com >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 06:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38ED63BEDF; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FE4E84B-3505-4B28-9235-F624EB605E8A@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 and Volume Pedals Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:45:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <1PTwO.A.XeG.fg1wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:45:51 +0000 (UTC) I'm expecting a DD-20 here soon, too, and I plan to patch a stereo volume pedal in front of it, between its inputs and the output of my guitar processor. Along with the T.I.P 3rd Hand (http:// www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php) that I plan to attach to its feedback knob, this will convert the DD into a very capable, fully foot-controlled looper, without requiring any use of the control- pedal input. I'll have continuous control of the level going into the delay, not just on-or-off input from the DD's switches. Go for it! dc On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Bill Campbell wrote: > Well, after researching analyzing the kind suggestions from fellow > mailing list members, I bought my first looping device: the Boss > DD-20. I've only had it for several days, but I'm like a kid in a > candy store with it, fooling around with its myriad possibilities. > One question though: it has a plug-in for a control pedal, but it > appears that the pedal in question is for changing tones only. I'm > interested in hooking up a volume pedal to it, as I'm very keen on > utilizing volume swirls with my guitar. Will a volume pedal work > with the DD-20? Thanks in advance. > > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 06:49:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE543BEE8; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <43C30F8B.4@cruzio.com> <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:49:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: OT: Google (was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:49:53 +0000 (UTC) At 7:00 PM -0700 1/9/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >KEEPING TABS ON YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET > >I type my complete performance name in quotes in the Google search >engine: "Krispen Hartung", plus the words "music", "looping", your >instrument, etc. Try various combinations. Otherwise, it finds all >sorts of pages with just "Hartung" in them"....not a lot of >"Krispen's" I'm afraid. :) Then I do the same in the Google Groups >search box. It's a good way to keep tabs on yourself, or boost your >ego..one of the two. That's the same method my ex-wife occasionally uses to try to keep tabs on me -- it's called Google stalking, I believe. And that's also (since the LD archives are completely open to Google searches) the reason why I can't post anything here connected to my real name. Phooey! :P --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 07:26:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C57453BEE1; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,349,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="151627259:sNHT46001504" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060109232310.010b9ed8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:26:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109200655.04847868@loopers-delight.com> References: <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43C30F8B.4@cruzio.com> <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Referral spam. I get it mostly from gambling and prescription drug sites. The idea being that you drive up their traffic after you see these referrals and then go look at the site to see why they 'linked' to you. http://www.coldforged.org/archives/2005/01/25/killing-referral-spam/ At 2006.01.09 08:22 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >(and sometimes weird, I noticed in the LD stats the other day that a small >number of people were referred to LD from a site called >extremeblowjobs.com. I can only guess why there would be a link to LD there.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F873BEE0; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HQaRic1nuWXA+RWy2/S5z5cwPdTYvYEjUoRFD7L/1x0d/YniJyOQD3+cAT3mlHZrAo5bMJvchdD5JASkH4smJv2k4f9rO6Ugu9dHcfQzZIZxucv5E6NlohKmhOAq/iU6oal+7CntwGN4FAwZ3x/ZsUmxT9DmhEezxE9gft3WIkg= ; Message-ID: <20060110083140.17560.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: CD spam: 100% Organic Human Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:42 +0000 (UTC) What a well-timed flurry of posts about promoting your own music! I'm happy to say that I'm putting many of those tips into practice right now with my brand new CD "100% Organic Human Music". It's my second live, solo, vocal album, and this time I included two (EDP) live-looping tracks. Here's an MP3 of my version of Los Lobos' "Can't Stop the Rain" for your listening pleasure. http://www.OrganicHumanMusic.com/assets/mp3/CantStopTheRain.mp3 I welcome anything anyone has to say about it as well, of course. Thanks! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1845B3BEEA; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V75m4NN0sMmzhxcyG9bDiO2eYYGz8aRwczAjB46h34IRXoYNPzzvlpchd9dpjRnAKTo2PNB/LCR6k+Whxc0V7meqKHS0sjk8Nc+68ZX+oFMy+eovDQvs5Vz/lido2ZaiUQLD/JWKmwkj1NJguqhwqQU/K4+UH6C21d56qwgqnCA= ; Message-ID: <20060110083241.48459.qmail@web50515.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:32:41 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Soft Rack Cases? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Gator is good, I haven't looked at ProTec, but I love my 8" deep 3-space rack bag from Oddyssey. It's perfect for my EDP, EFC-7, and Art Tube Channel (mic-pre/comp/EQ) in the rack. The top pocket holds my mic, cables and feedback pedal just fine, with little extra wasted space. They have 12" and 16" versions available too, check'em out at http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=dj/product/images/page=1/base_pid=804697. Though they are a bit more than the Gator rackbags, I think they're worth it. The carpeted rackmount box can be pulled out of the bag and used quite nicely on it's own. The bag is zips out top and bottom, has a sturdy detachable strap, and repels liquids pretty darn well. I've had mine about a year and gigged and traveled with it without incident. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:34:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CC73BEFE; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wq1oOoxE+OQ4ntB13+uYOfJQ36c9N2AfpDiTfWgyzMDfHj8DJTZjwMlNTvmh+qSGU36WyjeaQRiqHNMxLuyb9JOZj7HrRljxevBDcmlz4Gk8+RwtYBwiBiySNPXP1wJfNodd/P0V3JZpXBTOAzl7irj3lChRX4OLayaApxN68Ig= ; Message-ID: <20060110083437.70795.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Kris is right, Google News Alerts and Google Analytics are great tools, even if they are still in beta ;) Since it looks like they've suspended adding any new Analytics accounts again, do yourself a favor and check back and sign up. Once you set up your account and paste a few lines of basic HTML into your homepage, you'll be able to track gobs of (aggregate) info on who sees your site, from where, when, how they got there, what browser/platform they used, and all sorts of advanced goodies that I haven't even looked into yet, myself. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:35:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1866B3BF07; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060110004213.27465.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060110004213.27465.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6BBCAE64-485C-4913-B197-05067AC99A72@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:35:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:35:09 +0000 (UTC) On 10 jan 2006, at 01.42, mark sottilaro wrote: > http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEPCCOMPACT > > of course, for that price you can get a very cool > multi effects processor. :) ...which is 100 percent CPU Friendly!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:38:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11643BEFA; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:38:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:38:14 +0000 (UTC) On 10 jan 2006, at 02.01, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > From the plugin market I'm aware of, think PSP Nitro for people > without > enough CPU power... I agree. That's the best software "filterbank". I used it a lot for producing recorded music but I would never take it into a live gig. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 08:53:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2003BEF1; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:53:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00f601c615c3$48894700$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYVwGM2uKSZAp54S3ilsUCn/z9eIQAAfY/A In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:53:17 +0000 (UTC) I've sold a number of my 'Stretched Landscape' CDs because the whole 1-hour-track is on continuous rotation on the ambient web radio Drone Zone (SomaFM.com) - along with several of my vintage synth ambient pieces that I did 20 years ago. If SomaFM did a better job on their website, the CDs would sell even better: they don't link to my website, they just link automatically to Amazon (where I can't be found, yet). I don't remember how I got on SomaFM's stream but I think I just sent them a CD and they liked it. Does anyone know of other popular ambient music stations? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 09:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BCA33BF0B; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060109235757.71244.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060109235757.71244.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09B25ED7-B527-440B-9913-A983D81BEB0C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:10:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2WXDTB.A.WIE.go3wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:10:56 +0000 (UTC) On 10 jan 2006, at 00.57, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm often just wanting > fast good drums that A) change like a song (or can be > quickly made to do so) and B) will give me clock out > for my Repeater. > > Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if it's > very "preset" as I have lots that isn't. No. RMX doesn't have a sequencing engine and thus no MIDI Clock output option. RMX is not MIDI sequence programmable, as for example GURU or iDrum. It is a plug-in and as such has to be opened inside a host application. Then the host is to provide the MID Clock pulse. You don't need to fire up the entire DP as host, there are small, but yet sufficient, hosts like Racks for OSX or Bidule for Windows/Mac. > fast good drums that A) change like a song (or can be > quickly made to do so Yes, definitely! Why not pop over to Spectrasonics web site and watch the info movies? Short note: RMX is very versatile. It can be used as a "Loop Player" (standalone or plug-in) as well as a "Drum Sample Player" (plug-in). As a loop player you may line up loops on eight parallel tracks, and if you do that it will bog down the CPU a lot. This is why some people think that "RMX is not CPU friendly". The truth is that you may be very well set with using only one stereo track out of eight and used this way RMX is quite CPU friendly. I have been able to run it live on a 1.25 MHz PowerBook together with Ableton Live and two stereo tracks of Tape Delay Style looping (feedback, overdub). I must be said though, that RMX has its own, clearly recognizable, sound. All presets impose that typical "Huge, Wide American Drum Sound" that either make you feel omnipotent or go sick ;-) You hear RMX being used on a lot of commercial spots these days, it's so easy to pick when you know that sound - seems like the pro's love presets. But it's also possible to record your own drum performances and load them up as RMX loops. To do that you need ReCycle, or any other application that can save a recording as REX files. No other DRUM solution has as good and user friendly built in random scripting options as RMX. Meaning that with careful setting up only one drum loop may left to play in the background while still sounding "human" with a lot of variations. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 09:54:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C573BF12; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Kim Flint Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question for KIM & new upload Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43C3844D.8346.5C9C6F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20060109194558.04847720@loopers-delight.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) On 9 Jan 2006 at 20:06, Kim Flint wrote: > If I change it just for those 2 then I'll probably > get a whole bunch of other people complaining that they want it back > the other way. I can't see that they would - if you're NOT in digest mode, it makes no difference. If you *are* in digest mode, you choose that option to a) reduce the volume of emails and b) make it easy to read LD messages quickly and easily. The current digest limit is a "halfway house" and I can see no advantage to having 3 small digests (as arrived this morning) to one single daily digest. I'm on a dozen or so such lists and all are set to "daily". Reconfigging listerserver to do this is, I understand, a matter of a few seconds work. I don't know how other packges handle digests, but I have to open the message, then open each digest entry. Closing down the digest is another 2 stage process. This is then repeated for each of the other digests. I shan't gnaw this particular bone any longer, but the logic seems pretty clear to me. By way of apology for banging on, I've uploaded a recent piece to my website, a tranquil 2.20 called Shen, dedicated to my origami mentor, the late Philip Shen. www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 09:54:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50C83BF17; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Tom Ritchford Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: the rustling of paper Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43C3844D.22708.5C9D59@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <26ba8d120601091415y442ba64cqcff3a7cb6f44142d@mail.gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) On 9 Jan 2006 at 17:15, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Then there's a rustling of paper all around you as people start > looking at their programs to figure out what's going on... This reminds me - if you like the sound of rustlign paper, check out http://www.papersonics.com/ An origami colleague of mine has launched it. There's some audio to download (including a piece of mine). A CD was issued to celebrate the "Masters of origami" exhibition featuring tracks only using the sound of paper. The best of these, IMHO, is by Mira Calix. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 09:54:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9A043BF13; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "sarth" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: filtering LD messages Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43C3844D.22856.5C9CEC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:33 +0000 (UTC) On 9 Jan 2006 at 23:53, sarth wrote: > I now get LD emails in my LD folder (marked unread) AND in my inbox (marked as read). I hate Microsoft. There are alternative email packages - I've used Pegasus for donkey's years - as well as a powerful filtering system, it's fast, highly featured and free! http://www.pmail.com/ All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 10:02:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07FC03BF06; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KAJsQw0OCFIUrKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060110092430.02867500@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:44:55 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Re: 639 Year Long Concert - Cage Composition - "ASLSP" In-Reply-To: <20060109232044.9B2843BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060109232044.9B2843BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) At 23:20 09/01/06, you wrote: > > 4'33 is not a silent piece of music. > > The score plainly states that the performer should open doors and > > windows at the venue in order to maximize the amount of background sound. > > >The piece itself is silent -- it prescribes no sounds of any types. The score prescribes the maximisation of "background" sound. It was intended to be listened to as music. The "point" appears to be not the absence of sounds on the score, but rather that in the absence of those sounds there was still something to listen to. As I understand it, Cage's intention was to demonstrate that any sound can be music. :-) so you "got it" exactly. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 10:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E7973BF02; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C39394.2040302@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:59:32 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> <43C26ECE.7060506@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <43C26ECE.7060506@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox wrote: > But I love music and I have to do it. Thats I beleive the point where ripp-offers get us always. Our love to music will allow them to push us down. But we do have a big advantage over them: We love music, and thats worth it ;-() Thats probably also the reason to leave the business part to professionals, but its really hard to find professionals which love the music we do. (Just read the friendly advice of CD Baby about promoting yourself.) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:14:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80DF93BF01; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=v9bBTXo3A7Mq3Wc5K0EaOCk9j3VSiOCtt9NtFP7SVCT8NZ1Py8N4IXSIC2bLnuoFm+RR70jWUFqJ/+VsaQOMJQKK+XYCbWKXqrAcxA0LRdDpmj5rv5eW6/jfQguopX58rvO0A0/rHiXEJuvqW5b9HI+M5Z9vJBHEAy1QgdldQzs= ; Message-ID: <010e01c615d6$fa9f0cf0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: LIVE + CD SALES etc Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:14:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010B_01C615DF.5BB3ACF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:14:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C615DF.5BB3ACF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mark, any chance you'll give away the cranes CD's too :-). Just = kidding. I guess these are still generating a lot of incomes. I'll remember for my whole life the gig you gave in Namur (B) around = '92. Congrat' for the new little looper artist (should be there I guess now). Ben. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:56 PM Subject: LIVE + CD SALES etc whats all this then... ? thought you were all artistes!! Not money grabbing leaches!!!! Well Ive done it both ways, the profesh way, with a record company, = singles photo shoots interviews videos on mtv etc.... and the home grown = CDR website sell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? I sold more = records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, and a = nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not = really...=20 so wanna guess what I do now?=20 I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!! Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... if someone says I like your = stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive taken this quite far, = now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, I leave CD's... = they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was left here on purpose, = please take it... listen to it, and if you like it... keep it, if you = dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank you... I've left = them in railway stations and churches, cafes, bars, I've even left them = in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next to the Cranes Records = (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on the counter... = Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free Record = Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of = course i make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? = I've had more people come to my website and BUY records using this = method than by ANYTHING ELSE EVER!!! love mark... PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the hospital with my = better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe old age of 42 I'm = finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still = thinking... anyway wish me luck! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14666 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C615DF.5BB3ACF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mark, any chance you'll give away = the cranes=20 CD's too :-). Just kidding. I guess these are still generating a lot of=20 incomes.
I'll remember for my whole life the gig = you gave in=20 Namur (B) around '92.
 
Congrat' for the new little looper=20 artist (should be there I guess now).
 
Ben.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark=20 francombe
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 = 11:56=20 PM
Subject: LIVE + CD SALES = etc

whats all this then... ?
thought you were all=20 artistes!! Not money grabbing leaches!!!!

 Well = Ive done=20 it both ways, the profesh way, with a record company, singles photo = shoots=20 interviews videos on mtv etc.... and the home = grown CDR=20 website sell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? = I sold=20 more records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, = and a=20 nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not = really...
 
so wanna guess what I do now? =
 
I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!!
 
Yep... a CDR is almost free to me = so... if=20 someone says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually = Ive=20 taken this quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and = bars, I=20 leave CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This = cd was=20 left here on purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like = it...=20 keep it, if you dont like it, please leave it somewhere = else.=20 Thank you... I've left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, = bars,=20 I've even left them in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next = to the=20 Cranes Records (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on = the=20 counter... Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free = Record=20 Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of = course i=20 make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? I've = had more=20 people come to my website and BUY records using this method than by = ANYTHING=20 ELSE EVER!!!
 
love mark...
 
PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im = off to the=20 hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe = old age=20 of 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? = still=20 thinking... anyway wish me luck!
 
 
 
 
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Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274B53BF0E; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C3976C.8000505@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:15:56 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LIVE + CD SALES etc References: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> <047d01c61571$ac896110$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <047d01c61571$ac896110$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1I9MMD.A.G1H.zd5wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > It has taught me how to prioritize. Yes, this is the first a child will teach you, love... (I never found better teachers than my children ever, and I hope I can teach them as much as they teach me ;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168CD3BEE9; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C39964.8080503@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:24:20 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question for KIM References: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> In-Reply-To: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5fPKCB.A.aN.ol5wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:24:25 +0000 (UTC) sarth wrote: > I would agree with you if not for the fact that outlook on my new machine > has decided my "move to" filter really means "copy to and mark as read" so I > now get LD emails in my LD folder (marked unread) AND in my inbox (marked as > read). > > I hate Microsoft. Thats very easy to solve: change the program, only benefits, now drawbacks. Much safer, and all you'd ever need. (I use thunderbird, it imports everything from outlook) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. 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----43195968618824636764-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 08:33:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75FD33BF71; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.122] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <27719677.1136342795558.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 at Thomann Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:33:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 08:33:30.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AB6A000:01C61109] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:33:35 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-188020.html sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 08:53:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529843BF71; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Lb1wXSIhoR/HOzCGDtiuHQ9nKEf3vjXtzq/OTNQqedXFPlDn7zFS/oUQ/D0hk+2TPuKqJzcfV6+KbL32AfDw7Uyi2D4qcK+9avLi51Yb49e6lorq7WhBl3/JU7l98Xz+nTb1MNnuT+CPaE5ALPeWN9i//4hnKA99lpJ21OfPefY= Message-ID: <64b81a780601040053j6ba8d6a0ge83cc3c45f7b5559@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:53:12 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:53:14 +0000 (UTC) This brings up a good point about hardware obsolescence. That $3000 laptop will (barring hardware failure) perform exactly the same 20 years from now as long as you don't keep upgrading the software. It's the increasing bloat and new features of newer software that puts a hurting on hardware. Somehow the software industry has convinced us all that we must perpetually have the latest, greatest versions. Just a thought. I'm a sucker like everyone else for needing the newest toy= s. :) Todd On 1/3/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The new issue of Frets magazine has an article on Dominic Frasca > (10-string nylon string guitarist) who now uses just a laptop, MOTU > interface, and Logic for all his onstage processing. The article's > too long for me to type in, but his closing words are: > > "There aren't many cons when it comes to laptops, but if I had to > bring up one thing, I'd remind people that the main drag about these > machines is that they become obsolete very quickly. When you drop > $1,800 on a Universal Audio 1176 compressor, you have a piece of > equipment that will be as functional and relevant in 20 years as it > was the day you bought it. But you can spend $3,000 or more on a > top-of-the-line PowerBook and within two years it may not be able to > handle the latest programs or upgrades. And there's always the risk > of a crash. Luckily, my Mac has never crashed onstage, nor has it > ever broken down, but I do travel with a backup 12" PowerBook just in > case." > > > TravisH > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 08:59:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC9BD3BF7D; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B4kwbuaCkZUnoCEMVhYaWbBSncCr1Rt6vrzhSMqMl5Y34/9x3JP0QM/pRBgPjTG5OGrr6Xz+VwZm0ZE0cb/izInC8SDVahJupfzvcozB3k7p49bzqKpoxCR66Kw5OZA0QjUU6qt2AbRTM2Fr49LC9FfDMqOGJvIxx+BHUfbO8j4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:59:25 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take In-Reply-To: <64b81a780601040053j6ba8d6a0ge83cc3c45f7b5559@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b81a780601040053j6ba8d6a0ge83cc3c45f7b5559@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:59:29 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure that at least the battery, hard drive and flat panel display will be ailing long before 20 years have passed, particularly if the machine is being moved around a lot to various bars and whatnot. If you've got a dedicated music computer, then you can "freeze" it at a certain point and stop updating the software, but part of the appeal of computer-based solutions for many people is that the hardware can be used for many tasks (email, word processing, etc.), not just as a dedicated piece of audio hardware. TravisH On 1/4/06, Todd Pafford wrote: > This brings up a good point about hardware obsolescence. That $3000 > laptop will (barring hardware failure) perform exactly the same 20 > years from now as long as you don't keep upgrading the software. It's > the increasing bloat and new features of newer software that puts a > hurting on hardware. Somehow the software industry has convinced us > all that we must perpetually have the latest, greatest versions. > > Just a thought. I'm a sucker like everyone else for needing the newest t= oys. :) > Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 12:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67533BF7B; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAMRDu0OCFIU0AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060104112520.02891350@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:59:52 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" In-Reply-To: <20060104004903.491903BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060104004903.491903BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8lIFfD.A.jsE.gk7uDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Bernhard's big book informs:- >Another excerpt for our historians: "the distinction for the first >commercial record to use a drum loop probably goes to producer Albhy >Galuten. The Bee Gees' song "Stayin' Alive" used a loop of drums extracted >from their song "Night Fever". It refers to an article in "Mix" of October >2000. Apparently Galuten used the loop again for Bee Gees' "More Than a >Woman" and Barbra Sreisand's "I'm a Woman in Love" I think Zappa used tape loops for the drums on "Ruben and the Jets". That would be 1968, difficult to confirm since the original drumming was replaced for the cd issue. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 12:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BCAA3BEAB; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:18:29 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9e0P9B.A.GIF.Az7uDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, a vintage compressor will probably still work and sound great in a decade (and the "obsolescence calculus" is probably different for a recording studio - whose entire raison d'etre these days is to spread the cost of very expensive equipment, like vintage compressors - than for the average composer/performer) but this misses the main points about obsolesence, which for me is the difficulty of recreating your older pieces. For instance, I have a wonderful piece I composed in 1987, with much effort, for Takamine nylon-string MIDI controller, GTM-6 guitar-to-midi converter (with built-in midi looper, which I used), TX-7 and Ensoniq something-or-other (ESQ-1?). Now I can't play it because the Ensoniq stopped working and was irreplaceable (or not worth replacing, which is not much different), the GTm-6 is on the junkheap of history, and who knows what happened to the TX-7. Yes, I could re-mount the whole thing on a software-based platform, and someday I will, but it's a heck of a lot of work. Then later, I based some stuff on having the very sophisticated programming of the PMC-10 footcontroller available to me. That was great until mine died and it was out of production. So much for the lack of obsolescence in hardware. The concept is pure BS, IMO. OTOH, when a Mac or PC dies, the software is backed up (mine almost always is, at least). As long as I don't have to transition to a new OS, I can recreate the piece. When a new OS comes out, there's a long window (at least several years) when I can still run the old OS. After a few years (4-5 for me, but I pound on my computers 75 hours/week between work and play) the original computer will break down and the old OS will no longer be available. But the audio and midi interfaces I use to connect to the computer are generic - they can easily be replaced with other interfaces, should the need arise. And the software that I base my music on now (MAX/MSP, Java and my own looper built in those languages) are cross-platform and will certainly be available for new platforms. Any VST plug-ins that I might use (to recreate that TX-7, for instance) will no doubt be generically adapted to the next generation of OS. You tell me which platform is more likely to obsolesce. I'm sticking with sw. BTW - when I buy a vintage compressor, I get 2 channels of great compression. If I buy a really great compressor plug-in, I get as many channels as my computer can handle. And when I upgrade my computer, I get more channels of really great compression automatically. Can a digital compressor be as good as an analog one? I haven't auditioned by ear, because I usually don't have any reason (or maybe don't know that I have a reason...) to be that picky about compression quality, but it seems that at least in theory, digital compressors can be far better because they can look ahead in time, while analog is still bound by reality. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take > > > I'm sure that at least the battery, hard drive and flat panel > display will be ailing long before 20 years have passed, > particularly if the machine is being moved around a lot to > various bars and whatnot. If you've got a dedicated music > computer, then you can "freeze" it at a certain point and > stop updating the software, but part of the appeal of > computer-based solutions for many people is that the hardware > can be used for many tasks (email, word processing, etc.), > not just as a dedicated piece of audio hardware. > > TravisH > > On 1/4/06, Todd Pafford wrote: > > This brings up a good point about hardware obsolescence. > That $3000 > > laptop will (barring hardware failure) perform exactly the same 20 > > years from now as long as you don't keep upgrading the > software. It's > > the increasing bloat and new features of newer software that puts a > > hurting on hardware. Somehow the software industry has > convinced us > > all that we must perpetually have the latest, greatest versions. > > > > Just a thought. I'm a sucker like everyone else for needing the > > newest toys. :) Todd > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 12:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD73D3BF6F; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <64840EF2-25CE-45DD-B411-1B737FAF6CBB@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:33:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8b7z2.A.-hF.NC8uDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:33:17 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2006, at 05.17, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Just had my first trial run with Mobius as a plugin in Live. I came =20= > across > an issue in the function (or UI) which I could not solve myself - =20 > anyone > able to help me? > > How does one stop and restart a loop? The things you do on most =20 > loopers by > hitting the play button while a loop is playing, or by hitting a =20 > dedicated > stop button. > > Rainer Rainer, That's an overwhelming question! Never in my looping life (starting =20 with tape delays in 1979) I have even been thinking about "stopping =20 and starting" loops, when playing! But I certainly do it in samplers =20 and in Ableton Live (which i.e. is a sampler, model magnificent), but =20= I have never been able to incorporate that functionality in my live-=20 looping playing abilities. Thinking it over now I just don't know if =20 you can "stop and start loops" in M=F6bius. I've been spending the last =20= two weeks assigning MIDI and Key buttons to all kinds of M=F6bius =20 parameters but funny thing is that I have really not been thinking =20 about "starting and stopping loops". I've been fully content with =20 assigning buttons to "Mute" M=F6bius tracks or "solo" a track in =20 Ableton Live (if distributing M=F6bius tracks over dedicated Live mixer =20= tracks) to silence the rest. Or using faders to fade up/down tracks =20 where different loops are spinning. As with the EDP I've been using retrigger functions with M=F6bius, but =20= that's only half of it; "starting" or should I say "re-starting". To =20 start a loop I play it while holding down a "record" button. Then =20 it's up and spinning and I go on, eventually muting it or adjusting =20 the level etc. But to "stop the loop"... jeez... I guess you could do =20= that, but I don't know how or why ;-) Interesting thought, though. =20 Maybe this can be done in "Sampler Mode", I can't tell - but it might =20= be worth looking into. There is a function called "Reset" that I use to "stop" loops, but =20 then they are deleted as well. As I did back in my Repeater days, I =20 have set up a "Global Reset" in M=F6bius to erase every loop that is =20 spinning in the system. The button assigned to that function is =20 safely located two empty banks away from the "performing banks" on my =20= FCB pedal and I only use that final button to finish off a piece in a =20= radical way ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 13:26:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74ADA3BF87; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:26:20 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:26:16 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, simeon harris wrote: > http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-188020.html Priced at 489 euros, or $587 in US dollars. Thanks for the price point. regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 13:37:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48FA3BF87; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NQTBG7lzaCtPzwPK7pFLF8/qc3/IPIOzFQAreoQ686c2wyZX/y15Wrof29OKW5gHFFGrO1IfE25KssUFb6tEzOCSPRmlkssT5K7121jsHTIjPcysVX4EIvkFX0gMYV//eCG2qIBi2J5Tf9DM8JMUIlZEZWKgLcTJsf6ENNBIlzA= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:37:31 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:37:35 +0000 (UTC) On 1/4/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, simeon harris wrote: > > > http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-188020.html > > Priced at 489 euros, or $587 in US dollars. Thanks for the price point. Keep in mind there's 17.5% VAT included on that price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 14:04:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700F93BF62; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8VUkGC.A.5m.HY9uDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, David Morton wrote: > On 1/4/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, simeon harris wrote: >> >>> http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-188020.html >> >> Priced at 489 euros, or $587 in US dollars. Thanks for the price point. > > Keep in mind there's 17.5% VAT included on that price. Thanks. I was noting the base price because I hadn't noticed anyone actully giving a price for this unit, and wasn't concerned with add-on VAT / sales tax / shipping. Appreciate the 17.5% VAT note, though, it encourages me to wait for the RC-50 to reach the US. :) best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 14:34:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18433BF85; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t843RsAPD6AlQlN3xLig6IvdgFo44l+EwYOGvGonfl5+F2H0uGf3LBZ4AVNyeYR/ZKUAQyjVsThqSVqdkLTNiwdI1ymyjCKaMwDIsoshUTXFExIytf7KGPMuuqUX79r0KnFElCW4yasRM5/Iik34LyByJxlV3s2ySSCSj9QymHc= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601040634q7e389f77t931eb807b6965891@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:34:20 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:34:29 +0000 (UTC) On 1/4/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Thanks. I was noting the base price because I hadn't noticed anyone > actully giving a price for this unit, and wasn't concerned with add-on VA= T > / sales tax / shipping. I was pointing out that if you follow the link as given, it takes you to a price of 489 Euros but that price *already includes* 17.5% VAT (scroll down the page and you'll see where it says that). So the actual "base price" is closer to 416 Euros From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 14:45:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFAAE3BECF; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601040634q7e389f77t931eb807b6965891@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> <353e2ed80601040634q7e389f77t931eb807b6965891@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:45:15 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, David Morton wrote: > On 1/4/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > >> Thanks. I was noting the base price because I hadn't noticed anyone >> actully giving a price for this unit, and wasn't concerned with add-on VAT >> / sales tax / shipping. > > I was pointing out that if you follow the link as given, it takes you > to a price of 489 Euros but that price *already includes* 17.5% VAT > (scroll down the page and you'll see where it says that). > > So the actual "base price" is closer to 416 Euros Thanks again, David. I definitely missed that. That's a nice difference. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 15:18:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76B623BEC1; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:37 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops In-reply-to: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > How does one stop and restart a loop? The things you do on most loopers by > hitting the play button while a loop is playing, or by hitting a dedicated > stop button. I'm not exactly sure what you want but here are some functions that do things similar to starting and stopping. Reset (or long press of Record) Stops the loop and erases it. Record Stops the current loop and begins recording a new one. Retrigger Stop the loop and immediately start playing it from the beginning. Mute Toggle a loop in and out of mute. Putting a loop into mute is similar to stopping because you hear no sound. Bringing it out of mute is controlled by the MuteMode parameter with these values: Continuous The loop keeps playing silently and resumes playing wherever it is the moment you unmute it. Start The loop keeps playing silently, but is retriggered from the beginning when you unmute. Pause The loop stops and resumes from the point it was stopped, similar to the way the pause button works on a tapedeck. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 15:23:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BC03BF8A; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rJsTAIk4CQ9yy67NJx743AF4505lNkjo9V8UdP21OPFmRwGdUK5kKH8DwZOVQQK1uLdzjIFXVrtdu7UJ+bMllOImAA5URWVuweFuvkIA1/T4LbFm0GEIjgDPo9/+nAYg75UePqke2fITJrTKeKF6dnXRL8KhV+yovj1hdpPCPfI= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601040723t71dd9450r814582fd73ede812@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:52 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> <353e2ed80601040634q7e389f77t931eb807b6965891@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:23:54 +0000 (UTC) On 1/4/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Thanks again, David. I definitely missed that. That's a nice difference. I thought you'd like it. :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 15:51:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CFA53BF8E; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:51:03 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine To: Bill Campbell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b101c61146$d3d56b80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6Bl/MY1EAUH0r4LUAnhHJQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010420060139.1468.43BB273F00087752000005BC22007507840B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:51:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6Bl/MY1EAUH0r4LUAnhHJQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings Bill! I don't know if it exactly fits your bill, Bill, but I'm surprised Rainer's chart missed some of the DD20's features. To respond to your needs: 1) The DD20 is stereo, both in and out. Depending on the setting, the DD20 will either generate a stereo spread from a mono signal (ping-pong or slow pan), maintain a stereo input as stereo output, or collapse a stereo input to mono. 2) The DD20 has a reverse delay. You can't throw a loop into reverse after it's been recorded, but you can record a loop and hear it play back in reverse. 3) Ostensibly the DD20 has 23 seconds of delay time, but I and at least one other looper (Ted Killian?) have commented on how you can rig it to get 46 seconds of delay. 4) No, the DD20 won't save audio, although it will save five settings. If you want the DD20 to function as a looping device, you just set the feedback for maximum, play what you want into it, and turn the input off. For gradually decaying soundscape stuff, lower the feedback to taste. The DD20 does have a Sound-On-Sound function, too. And it's CHEAP! Under $200 per pedal. I own two, which not only gives me all of the above goodies, but some wicked patching possibilities when plugging one into the other. The internal clock is so stable that my two pedals will run in sync for a half hour at a long delay setting with no apparent drift. You can read more at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html and you can hear me using it on this cut (excerpt from "The Long Dance") http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/loopersdelight-06.m3u which is from the absolutely essential Loopers Delight Compilation, Volume 3, found here: http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/ (and of course at CD baby). Good looping! dB, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Campbell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine Hello there! This is my first posting, though I've long been a frequent visitor to Looper's Delight. I'm interested in purchasing a looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume swells, stereo panning, etc. I'm looking to spend around $600. I'd like a device that allows for the following: 1-STEREO loops. This is crucial. I'm not remotely interested in a machine that plays back loops in mono 2-Reverse capability. Though not essential, I'd like a device that allows for loops to be played in reverse. 3-Loop time. This is more of a query than anything else. I see some machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of time per loop. On the surface, this seems a bit short. Is there anything on the market that allows for more time without much degradation in the original signal? 4-Ability to save loops. A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops! With these thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices would you recommend? Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!! Bill --Boundary_(ID_6Bl/MY1EAUH0r4LUAnhHJQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Greetings Bill!
    I don't know if it exactly fits your bill, Bill, but I'm surprised Rainer's chart missed some of the DD20's features. To respond to your needs:
1) The DD20 is stereo, both in and out. Depending on the setting, the DD20 will either generate a stereo spread from a mono signal (ping-pong or slow pan), maintain a stereo input as stereo output, or collapse a stereo input to mono.
2) The DD20 has a reverse delay. You can't throw a loop into reverse after it's been recorded, but you can record a loop and hear it play back in reverse.
3) Ostensibly the DD20 has 23 seconds of delay time, but I and at least one other looper (Ted Killian?) have commented on how you can rig it to get 46 seconds of delay.
4) No, the DD20 won't save audio, although it will save five settings.
 
If you want the DD20 to function as a looping device, you just set the feedback for maximum, play what you want into it, and turn the input off. For gradually decaying soundscape stuff, lower the feedback to taste. The DD20 does have a Sound-On-Sound function, too. And it's CHEAP! Under $200 per pedal. I own two, which not only gives me all of the above goodies, but some wicked patching possibilities when plugging one into the other. The internal clock is so stable that my two pedals will run in sync for a half hour at a long delay setting with no apparent drift. You can read more at:
and you can hear me using it on this cut (excerpt from "The Long Dance")
which is from the absolutely essential Loopers Delight Compilation, Volume 3, found here:
(and of course at CD baby).
 
Good looping!
dB, coyote
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:39 PM
Subject: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine

Hello there!  This is my first posting, though I've long been a frequent visitor to Looper's Delight.  I'm interested in purchasing a looper, as I'm a guitarist looking to build soundscapes via volume swells, stereo panning, etc.  I'm looking to spend around $600.  I'd like a device that allows for the following:
 
1-STEREO loops.  This is crucial.  I'm not remotely interested in a machine that plays back loops in mono
2-Reverse capability.  Though not essential, I'd like a device that allows for loops to be played in reverse.
3-Loop time.  This is more of a query than anything else.  I see some machines that seem to have good qualities, yet only 15-30 seconds of time per loop.  On the surface, this seems a bit short.  Is there anything on the market that allows for more time without much degradation in the original signal?
4-Ability to save loops. 
 
A friend has the DigiTech JamMan, which has many of the features I'm interested in, with one major drawback: no stereo loops!  With these thoughts in mind (which are admittedly a bit cluttered), what devices would you recommend?  Many many thanks in advance, fellow loopers!!
 
Bill
--Boundary_(ID_6Bl/MY1EAUH0r4LUAnhHJQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 15:53:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865E73BF80; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:53:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:53:12 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2006, at 16.18, Jeff Larson wrote: > Pause > The loop stops and resumes from the point it was stopped, > similar to the way the pause button works on a tapedeck. That's a cool M=F6bius function I didn't know about! Can "Pause" be =20 quantized? I mean so it starts on next upcoming "4th note cusp" for =20 example... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 16:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF04F3BF8D; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1136390528!34364745!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C45@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: First Drum Loop Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:02:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61148.357BC860" Resent-Message-ID: <0ELvy.A.KXE.EG_uDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61148.357BC860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it should've been..... d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61148.357BC860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: First Drum Loop

"tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it should've been.....

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61148.357BC860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 16:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E6313BFA0; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:04:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:04:53 +0000 (UTC) > On 4 jan 2006, at 16.18, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Pause >> The loop stops and resumes from the point it was stopped, >> similar to the way the pause button works on a tapedeck. > > On 4 jan 2006, at 16.53, Per Boysen wrote > That's a cool M=F6bius function I didn't know about! Can "Pause" be =20= > quantized? I mean so it starts on next upcoming "4th note cusp" for =20= > example... I just realized that "MuteReAlign" answers to that. Sorry for =20 spamming. My typing fingers rushed ahead of my brain ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 16:09:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9393BFA6; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c61149$03c0f560$6ba1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C45@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: First Drum Loop Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:07:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C61151.6424E300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:09:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C61151.6424E300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: First Drum Loop"They=B4re coming to take me away, ha-ha" by... I = don=B4t remember his name but I recall Wendy Carlos mentioning this = track in an interview as one of the first examples of a drumloop on = tape. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- = "Paranoid Android")=20 "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, = 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It=B4s out: "oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live in = England. For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com WTB: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: RE: First Drum Loop "tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it should've been.....=20 d.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C61151.6424E300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: First Drum Loop
"They=B4re coming to take me away, ha-ha" by... = I don=B4t=20 remember his name but I recall Wendy Carlos mentioning this track in an=20 interview as one of the first examples of a drumloop on = tape.
 
Stephen

________________________________________________________________= ____
 
"Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- = "Paranoid=20 Android")
 
"Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October = 1,=20 2005.
 
For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
 
It=B4s out: "oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live = in=20 England.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
 
WTB: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse=20 With Wound, David Tibet).
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, = 2006 5:02=20 PM
Subject: RE: First Drum = Loop

"tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it = should've=20 been.....

d.

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C61151.6424E300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 16:09:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15DF3BFAD; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:09:45 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43BBF349.9030500@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 4 jan 2006, at 16.18, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Pause >> The loop stops and resumes from the point it was stopped, >> similar to the way the pause button works on a tapedeck. > > > > That's a cool Möbius function I didn't know about! Can "Pause" be > quantized? I mean so it starts on next upcoming "4th note cusp" for > example... Yes, since it is a form of Mute it can be quantized. I like this for comedic effect. Get a loop going, pause, everyone thinks the system crashed, then resume as if nothing happened. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 16:24:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01ABA3BFBA; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a19sxg4toGIzGXaJouhQm1ozqiIG/sL4UFe/90fLch/qIi/ckKNDugSBGjUXPhoiXiR34A/GBJaNNdPwDrzsFOTpKIi3bjPMpwtPYIeC10ERR3uqWRmjOlU1EEafbeJvcHx1L9lZzDt1o86qA7oLDOEs7jKvZSox/FHHFZTZSJA= Message-ID: <44687f490601040823icadc2c5n635b91f662ef6d61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:23:58 -0500 From: Tom Combs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops In-Reply-To: <43BBF349.9030500@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5238_9723411.1136391838454" References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> <43BBF349.9030500@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:23:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5238_9723411.1136391838454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per, Do you run Mobius standalone or as a VST? On 1/4/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > > Per Boysen wrote: > > On 4 jan 2006, at 16.18, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > >> Pause > >> The loop stops and resumes from the point it was stopped, > >> similar to the way the pause button works on a tapedeck. > > > > > > > > That's a cool M=F6bius function I didn't know about! Can "Pause" be > > quantized? I mean so it starts on next upcoming "4th note cusp" for > > example... > > Yes, since it is a form of Mute it can be quantized. I like this > for comedic effect. Get a loop going, pause, everyone thinks the > system crashed, then resume as if nothing happened. > > Jeff > > > ------=_Part_5238_9723411.1136391838454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Per,
 
Do you run Mobius standalone or as a VST?

 
On 1/4/06, J= eff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson= @sun.com> wrote:
Per Boysen wrote:
> On 4 j= an 2006, at 16.18, Jeff Larson wrote:
>
>>   =   Pause
>>       The loop stops= and resumes from the point it was stopped,
>>       similar to the way the pau= se button works on a tapedeck.
>
>
>
> That's a coo= l M=F6bius function I didn't know about! Can "Pause" be
> q= uantized? I mean so it starts on next upcoming "4th note cusp" fo= r
> example...

Yes, since it is a form of Mute it can be quanti= zed.   I like this
for comedic effect.  Get a loop g= oing, pause, everyone thinks the
system crashed, then resume as if nothi= ng happened.

Jeff



------=_Part_5238_9723411.1136391838454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 16:40:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2B8A3BF87; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000b01c6107b$c1b62780$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c6107b$c1b62780$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34E0FD54-0B67-48A9-B2BB-4D8F48931A04@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: AW: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:43:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:40:31 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:38 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > And I keep wondering: I understand how a guy manages to suddenly look > decades older during the course of a set. How they manage to grow a > long > beard or even change their ethnicity is beyond my understanding ;-) > > (sorry, couldn't resist. Thanks for the effort, Mark!) Did I screw up some of the captions? It was late and I was a bit tired by the time I was typing in captions. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16063BF9C; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,330,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149459543:sNHT21391556" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060104091724.01138858@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:17:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: First Drum Loop In-Reply-To: <001301c61149$03c0f560$6ba1fe91@inap> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C45@lon-oxmail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Napoleon XIV At 2006.01.04 08:07 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: >"They=B4re coming to take me away, ha-ha" by... I don=B4t remember his name= =20 >but I recall Wendy Carlos mentioning this track in an interview as one of= =20 >the first examples of a drumloop on tape. > >Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:18:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C996A3BFA4; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <44687f490601040823icadc2c5n635b91f662ef6d61@mail.gmail.com> References: <000901c610e5$c1f98bf0$0601a8c0@succubus> <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> <43BBF349.9030500@sun.com> <44687f490601040823icadc2c5n635b91f662ef6d61@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7EF5E6E2-721E-4A46-A24B-0DEDA82BDCFC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:18:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:18:21 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2006, at 17.23, Tom Combs wrote: > Per, > > Do you run Mobius standalone or as a VST? Hi Tom, I've been trying out both and for the moment settled with the =20 standalone version. There are pros and cons with both. I play =20 instruments through a TC Electronics FireworX stereo multi effect box =20= and like to get those sounds hardwired into the loops so I can cut up =20= and mess around more with the loops. There's not much time available =20 for instant multi track live remixing when you're playing instruments =20= at the same time ;-) I'd rather erase and redo in two seconds than =20 stretch for the appropriate mixer fader if one sound layer should =20 come out too loud or too down. Also, i'f I should use Live synced after M=F6bius, many of my Fireworx =20= patches would suffer from the unstable "second generation" MIDI clock =20= sent out from Live, causing ugly digital noise. Unfortunately M=F6bius =20= can not send out MIDI clock sync signal over multiple ports (into =20 Live + to physical MIDI port where my Fireworx gets its sync signal) =20 so the only way to sync these three units is to run M=F6bius as the =20 master, having Live sync up as a slave and at the same time create a =20 new MIDI Clock signal (way crappier "second generation" because Live =20 has to play catch-up all the time) and send that out to the FireworX =20 box. Crazy! It's not a bug, it's just how MIDI Clock sync is working. I hope M=F6bius will soon let you define multiple MIDI ports by =20 preferences, the way Live 5 does. Then this would not be a problem =20 and I would be able to run both Live and FireworX slaved DIRECTLY to =20 M=F6bius original (and stable) MIDI clock signal. On that day I might =20= return to the VST version ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:18:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9C273BFBF; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tcGkdV8e5uC2D4P6kqVQI+EDtYB2F1Q0x1jvAB9Ahdl6YG01ID111gy5jQ1mTEhtHlNPP6UiUo9ujl80a4J6UYp51xxQr4/3svgI+tK1ytXZIYxjt7AYqwIXqKM4s5x5XmYx0TabXuUtIA3ukjPA1lGqbI3DYqd7y+FaqPgBPa0= ; Message-ID: <20060104171824.27448.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: First Drum Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C45@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-645155542-1136395104=:25824" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-645155542-1136395104=:25824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit always fun to take a look back on tomorrow... goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: "tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it should've been..... d. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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always fun to take a look back on tomorrow...

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
"tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it should've been.....
d.

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Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-645155542-1136395104=:25824-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:21:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA2E3BFC2; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: AW: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:21:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003401c61153$4fb94ee0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <34E0FD54-0B67-48A9-B2BB-4D8F48931A04@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYRTYivVJpqpFmxTLaTjMllxvGTBAAA9yPw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:21:49 +0000 (UTC) One example I noticed (be advised I'm using IE under XP, so if it = appears differently at your place this might be the reason): On page 5, Rick Walker has turned African-American. On page 1, Greg Powers suddenly grows longer hair and a beard. Stan Card changes hairdo and clothing as well - twice. On page 2, Matt Davignon grows his hair and a beard (and turns to = another hair color in the process, and also changes his clothing and apparent = age). There's another ethnicity changeover, this time for Genie on page 5. I just rechecked - it seems to me that some of the pictures don't have captions and the flash thingie continues to display the caption for the = last image. If you watch the pics in reverse order, Rick's ethnicity change = now happens to Amard Chaudry. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Januar 2006 17:43 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: Y2K5 Pictures >=20 >=20 > On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:38 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar=20 > Straschill wrote: >=20 > > And I keep wondering: I understand how a guy manages to=20 > suddenly look=20 > > decades older during the course of a set. How they manage to grow a=20 > > long beard or even change their ethnicity is beyond my=20 > understanding=20 > > ;-) > > > > (sorry, couldn't resist. Thanks for the effort, Mark!) >=20 > Did I screw up some of the captions? It was late and I was a=20 > bit tired by the time I was typing in captions. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:22:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ACBD3BFC9; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hxQhSCKpOnkL0J10B0hnNHy++9zF9x3ReptzJgEEAHt93BKbuj8ahTgrh1SC/dcgVkf+7YpWiONgN/CtjBIqCYEXuE8o7ci2usoUuhU+BIQeO/QES0ViXG+wlkAjbc6omWxIgoQk8Ad3TRZCLiHxQ9rKGv6sSyN4PBFNTVJxV+o= ; Message-ID: <20060104172220.61636.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:22:20 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Repeater viability... was: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060104025030.E7C0C3BF94@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-voBy.A.fvH.NRAvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Note the date, 6 Dec. This is very old news, Peter has since been in contact with Electrix and so far everything is still in the forward motion process, regardless of how it may look otherwise. I usually don't post on the rumour mill, it doesn't seem to benefit anyone. Basically, if you don't want to wait for the Repeater, get something else. Or just get a used Repeater on eBay. Last week one sold for $660, which included a Behringer FCB1010. This puts it under the $600 range, which is consistent with what I've seen over the last few months. Prices have dropped to below $500 at times. I just bought one for $445 but it arrived with the power cord and no power supply so I sent it back. And the Repeater mod has been released to the public over the holidays. Check here if you missed it... (large file...) http://www.sohl.com/Improvisations/index.htm Stephen This was a post by Peter Toms - he was in contact with the people that had announced Repeater Mk II. sean From: Peter Toms Date: Tue Dec 6, 2005 10:49 am Subject: Re: [repeater-users] Reverse engineer Repeater OS? ptoms@... Hi all - I've tried in the last several days to contact Electrix with no luck. The numbers I had for them are disconnected, so I fear the worst. Blah blah blah... __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:29:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251BC3BFC7; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:29:12 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003801c61154$62e41e40$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <43BBE74D.90908@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYRQiYECluGlqTyS1uVmOCC/a+r7wAETJ0w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Dear Jeff, thanks for your quick reply! That's what I call user support. There are basically two things I had in mind. 1) I have a loop running, then stop the audio output mid-loop and = somtime later restart the loop from the beginning. This can be accomplished by setting MuteMode to Start if I get this correctly. Application: Record the introductory toms+guitar riff of Slayer: Raining Blood on one track. To play the intro as it appears on the recording, = I'll want to have only the beginning of the loop playing, then a pause, then = to restart the loop.=20 2) I have a loop running, then stop the audio output mid-loop and = somtime later continue loop playback from the point where I stopped. According to your explanation, this is done by MuteMode=3DPause. Application: I record a cadenza into a track. Now I want to play each = chord of the cadenza and then fill in between the chords with some stuff I = play. Thanks again, Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Januar 2006 16:19 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops >=20 > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > How does one stop and restart a loop? The things you do on most=20 > > loopers by hitting the play button while a loop is playing, or by=20 > > hitting a dedicated stop button. >=20 > I'm not exactly sure what you want but here are some=20 > functions that do things similar to starting and stopping. >=20 > Reset (or long press of Record) >=20 > Stops the loop and erases it. >=20 > Record >=20 > Stops the current loop and begins recording a new one. >=20 > Retrigger >=20 > Stop the loop and immediately start playing it from the beginning. >=20 > Mute >=20 > Toggle a loop in and out of mute. Putting a loop into mute is > similar to stopping because you hear no sound. Bringing it out > of mute is controlled by the MuteMode parameter with these values: >=20 > Continuous > The loop keeps playing silently and resumes playing wherever > it is the moment you unmute it. >=20 > Start > The loop keeps playing silently, but is retriggered from the > beginning when you unmute. >=20 > Pause > The loop stops and resumes from the point it was stopped, > similar to the way the pause button works on a tapedeck. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6ED33BFD5; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CABqRu0OCFIU0AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060104172456.02862eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:27:19 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RC-50 at Thomann In-Reply-To: <20060104155122.670A43BF95@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060104155122.670A43BF95@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:35:38 +0000 (UTC) At 15:51 04/01/06, you wrote: >http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-188020.html > > > >sim Thomann have that little graphic that shows the availability of the product. So far it's "There no delivery time available for this product and our suppliers can't give any further information. Please check with our experts for the latest situation." andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:35:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553733BFBF; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,330,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="149466864:sNHT22093540" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060104092357.01099d60@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:35:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Repeater viability... was: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine In-Reply-To: <20060104172220.61636.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060104025030.E7C0C3BF94@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Right, rumors aren't good. I posted a copy of a message that Peter sent to a yahoo group. It would be good if Peter himself would corroborate your news. Although he has made posts to the repeater group since Dec 6, he has not mentioned being in contact with Electrix. At 2006.01.04 09:22 AM, S V G wrote: > Note the date, 6 Dec. This is very old news, Peter has since been > in contact with Electrix >and so far everything is still in the forward motion process, regardless >of how it may look >otherwise. > > I usually don't post on the rumour mill, it doesn't seem to benefit > anyone. Basically, if From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 17:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0180B3BFBD; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:48:57 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: AW: Mobius/Windows: how to stop loops In-reply-to: <003801c61154$62e41e40$0601a8c0@succubus> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43BC0A89.8070101@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003801c61154$62e41e40$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <22x5rC.A.U8.NqAvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > 1) I have a loop running, then stop the audio output mid-loop and somtime > later restart the loop from the beginning. > This can be accomplished by setting MuteMode to Start if I get this > correctly. > Application: Record the introductory toms+guitar riff of Slayer: Raining > Blood on one track. To play the intro as it appears on the recording, I'll > want to have only the beginning of the loop playing, then a pause, then to > restart the loop. Yes, but I think I would use The Weather Girls: It's Raining Men for this application ;-) > 2) I have a loop running, then stop the audio output mid-loop and somtime > later continue loop playback from the point where I stopped. > According to your explanation, this is done by MuteMode=Pause. > Application: I record a cadenza into a track. Now I want to play each chord > of the cadenza and then fill in between the chords with some stuff I play. Yes, interesting application. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 18:25:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84573BFB4; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fABM4CDDyZuNGjXqCA1Eg9tXBOuXjFUnHXJ2iUZtZtjMTPsLLGEM6LbDc2prXmXmTCwIdWxUh3sPVsbyyUAv/Ds2vrT17sgyDFZSvS4VTZAXKBXxzUDuocuV0JEVkMZd+utWSGkyBhdv0m2seIas6Y8mRIXZFy4YgVRVC5iGGR4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601041025m3ca17c21ld6c07c7bc1bdb134@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:25:37 -0800 From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:25:40 +0000 (UTC) I was surfing around, and came upon the Fender Cyber Foot Controller Gig Bag for $10.99: http://www.interstatemusic.com/Fender-Fender-Cyber-Foot-Controller-Gig-Bag-= -i1029004.music If memory serves, wasn't this case recommended on this list as good fit for the Behringer FCB1010? -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 18:28:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E4FC3BFBD; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.179.151.25] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601040537o6f17c69i1b0e009cc63cf2a7@mail.gmail.com> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:28:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 18:28:38.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE851AE0:01C6115C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:28:40 +0000 (UTC) salut The best price is actualy in www.musicstore.com Daniel >From: David Morton >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: RC-50 at Thomann >Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:37:31 +0000 > >On 1/4/06, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, simeon harris wrote: > > > > > http://www.thomann.de/thoiw2_artikel-188020.html > > > > Priced at 489 euros, or $587 in US dollars. Thanks for the price point. > >Keep in mind there's 17.5% VAT included on that price. > _________________________________________________________________ Conversations vidéo gratuites avec MSN Messenger ! http://www.imagine-msn.com/messenger/default2.aspx?locale=fr-fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 18:30:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28C413BFB6; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <28f.371e36f.30ed6e25@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:29:57 EST Subject: Re: my nomination for looper of the year: 1970 - Sid Laverents, 'multiple sidosis' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_28f.371e36f.30ed6e25_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:30:04 +0000 (UTC) --part1_28f.371e36f.30ed6e25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit brilliant! --part1_28f.371e36f.30ed6e25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable brilliant! --part1_28f.371e36f.30ed6e25_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 18:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324E33BFCF; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CACqfu0OCFIU0AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060104183252.02860a80@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:35:37 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: First Drum Loop In-Reply-To: <20060104172927.637D93BFD0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060104172927.637D93BFD0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:36:28 +0000 (UTC) >"tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it should've been..... the main rhythm track isn't looped. ...but there is a loop with drums which appears briefly. Don't know if that counts really, because it doesn't have a rhythmic function, it's just used texturally. a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 18:51:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C4823BFB8; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CADKmu0OCFIU1AQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060104183631.028662f0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:51:04 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: First Drum Loop In-Reply-To: <20060104172927.637D93BFD0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060104172927.637D93BFD0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:51:55 +0000 (UTC) >"They=B4re coming to take me away, ha-ha" by... I=20 >don=B4t remember his name but I recall Wendy=20 >Carlos mentioning this track in an interview as=20 >one of the first examples of a drumloop on tape. > >Stephen the guys name was Napoleon the 14th. The b-side was the a-side played backwards. Download it here. http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/09/21_variations_o.html andybutler=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 18:57:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B79FB3BFCC; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601041025m3ca17c21ld6c07c7bc1bdb134@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0601041025m3ca17c21ld6c07c7bc1bdb134@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:57:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:57:52 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2006, at 19.25, Art Simon wrote: > I was surfing around, and came upon the Fender Cyber Foot Controller > Gig Bag for $10.99: > http://www.interstatemusic.com/Fender-Fender-Cyber-Foot-Controller- > Gig-Bag--i1029004.music > > If memory serves, wasn't this case recommended on this list as good > fit for the Behringer FCB1010? I have a similar gig bag by Line 6. On week two the zipper slipped out of track and I have not been able to fix them. I use rubber bands to keep the bag together ;-) A cool thing for a FCB1010 would be a normal traveling trunk of the same measure. Just a little bit bigger so you could wrap that FCB into a sleeping bag and put some extra socks on the side. Then it could go unwrecked as checked in luggage if traveling by flight. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 19:01:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99603BFDE; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <159.5efee7b4.30ed7574@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:01:08 EST Subject: Re: Y2K5 Pictures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_159.5efee7b4.30ed7574_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <7T94H.A.VnF.-tBvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:18 +0000 (UTC) --part1_159.5efee7b4.30ed7574_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i forgot how pretty you all are!.....thank goodness i didn't show up.....GREAT JOB MARK!!!!!.....thanks.....:)m --part1_159.5efee7b4.30ed7574_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i forgot how pretty you all are!.....th= ank goodness i didn't show up.....GREAT JOB MARK!!!!!.....thanks.....:)m<= /FONT> --part1_159.5efee7b4.30ed7574_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 19:26:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4DC3BFCC; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:26:01 -0500 Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 Thread-Index: AcYRZLIn8LlO631XEdqVVQAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys. I did buy this fender bag last time it was posted here, and I could not be happier... I put in it, my 1010, my motu traveler, all my cables and a couple of back up hard drives... HOWEVER... . I paid much more for it, so snap this thing up..., in fact, maybe I will ge= t another! 11 dollars for any bag ain't bad, but this one has three extra huge pockets to boot. And a nice shoulder strap...\ Best, T. On 1/4/06 1:57 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On 4 jan 2006, at 19.25, Art Simon wrote: >=20 >> I was surfing around, and came upon the Fender Cyber Foot Controller >> Gig Bag for $10.99: >> http://www.interstatemusic.com/Fender-Fender-Cyber-Foot-Controller- >> Gig-Bag--i1029004.music >>=20 >> If memory serves, wasn't this case recommended on this list as good >> fit for the Behringer FCB1010? >=20 >=20 > I have a similar gig bag by Line 6. On week two the zipper slipped > out of track and I have not been able to fix them. I use rubber bands > to keep the bag together ;-) >=20 > A cool thing for a FCB1010 would be a normal traveling trunk of the > same measure. Just a little bit bigger so you could wrap that FCB > into a sleeping bag and put some extra socks on the side. Then it > could go unwrecked as checked in luggage if traveling by flight. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 19:34:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 919D23BFBF; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 4 Jan 2006 19:34:04 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: "Kim Galibert" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:34:03 -0500 Subject: Re: my nomination for looper of the year: 1970 - Sid Laverents, 'multiple sidosis' X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060104193403.F2CA8CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Wow! That's freakin' awesome! As soon as i saw the present I just KNEW it= was a Roberts or Akai deck from the shape!!! love the mice! I just=20 sold that same deck through Craigslist, along with a Roberts M-8 to a 15-ye= ar-old kid who said he wanted to get into tape looping! And so it=20 continues!!! Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Galibert" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: my nomination for looper of the year: 1970 - Sid Laverents, 'multi= ple sidosis' Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:46:35 -0500 (EST) >=20 > i came across this over the holidays - perhaps it has already been=20 > posted on ld, if so, sorry. >=20 > 1970 - before the jamman, before ram for that matter, sid laverents=20 > was already the baddest ass uber-looper. >=20 > download the video here: > http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/12/primitive_psych.html > (if you have problems watching try quicktime) >=20 > amazing stuff, musical, fun to watch, it obviously took him ages to=20 > complete the 3 or so minutes of reel2reel goodness. >=20 > happy new year to all, >=20 > kim > (the other kim - http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com) >=20 > ps: my vote is for the ld digests to arrive once a day. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055A33BFAE; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping Guitar Amp--Fender G-DEC Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:05:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYRakOsPNTY3+U8TvmHYlhixA+eoQ== Message-Id: <20060104200513.YHIX15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang- I picked up this Fender guitar amp for use as a tone module/amplifier for small gigs-have used it a few times, it has some interesting features, but the reason I am posting now about it is that it has a digital audio looper built in! A generous 14 seconds, unfortunately must be triggered by hand, but loops any of the sources and enables changing effects settings for subsequent input-so if you loop clean guitar, you can solo with effected guitar. Must see to appreciate and definitely not a replacement for other loopers, but fun and useful for practice. No feedback control of course-but it has a built in General MIDI tone module-that's why I snagged it. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:18:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B0153BFDB; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9E906F23-3946-4A6D-9930-F11061DD4EE9@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Frisell live gig... Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:18:43 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle... enjoy! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:23:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53F093BFD3; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:30:00 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided To: Message-id: <001201c6116d$a32bc520$6fe2a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: <9XtbxC.A.CWD.46CvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:23:20 +0000 (UTC) The truth of the mater is both "dedicated hardware" and "computers with software" will break and become non functional eventually. To all the computer-based people, how many of you are running NT on your laptops today - a standard from just 5 years ago. Five years from now what will be available, I wonder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:18 AM Subject: RE: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided > Yeah, a vintage compressor will probably still work and sound great in a > decade (and the "obsolescence calculus" is probably different for a > recording studio - whose entire raison d'etre these days is to spread the > cost of very expensive equipment, like vintage compressors - than for the > average composer/performer) but this misses the main points about > obsolesence, which for me is the difficulty of recreating your older pieces. > > For instance, I have a wonderful piece I composed in 1987, with much effort, > for Takamine nylon-string MIDI controller, GTM-6 guitar-to-midi converter > (with built-in midi looper, which I used), TX-7 and Ensoniq > something-or-other (ESQ-1?). Now I can't play it because the Ensoniq stopped > working and was irreplaceable (or not worth replacing, which is not much > different), the GTm-6 is on the junkheap of history, and who knows what > happened to the TX-7. Yes, I could re-mount the whole thing on a > software-based platform, and someday I will, but it's a heck of a lot of > work. > > Then later, I based some stuff on having the very sophisticated programming > of the PMC-10 footcontroller available to me. That was great until mine died > and it was out of production. > > So much for the lack of obsolescence in hardware. The concept is pure BS, > IMO. > > OTOH, when a Mac or PC dies, the software is backed up (mine almost always > is, at least). As long as I don't have to transition to a new OS, I can > recreate the piece. When a new OS comes out, there's a long window (at least > several years) when I can still run the old OS. After a few years (4-5 for > me, but I pound on my computers 75 hours/week between work and play) the > original computer will break down and the old OS will no longer be > available. But the audio and midi interfaces I use to connect to the > computer are generic - they can easily be replaced with other interfaces, > should the need arise. And the software that I base my music on now > (MAX/MSP, Java and my own looper built in those languages) are > cross-platform and will certainly be available for new platforms. Any VST > plug-ins that I might use (to recreate that TX-7, for instance) will no > doubt be generically adapted to the next generation of OS. > > You tell me which platform is more likely to obsolesce. I'm sticking with > sw. > > BTW - when I buy a vintage compressor, I get 2 channels of great > compression. If I buy a really great compressor plug-in, I get as many > channels as my computer can handle. And when I upgrade my computer, I get > more channels of really great compression automatically. Can a digital > compressor be as good as an analog one? I haven't auditioned by ear, because > I usually don't have any reason (or maybe don't know that I have a > reason...) to be that picky about compression quality, but it seems that at > least in theory, digital compressors can be far better because they can look > ahead in time, while analog is still bound by reality. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:59 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take > > > > > > I'm sure that at least the battery, hard drive and flat panel > > display will be ailing long before 20 years have passed, > > particularly if the machine is being moved around a lot to > > various bars and whatnot. If you've got a dedicated music > > computer, then you can "freeze" it at a certain point and > > stop updating the software, but part of the appeal of > > computer-based solutions for many people is that the hardware > > can be used for many tasks (email, word processing, etc.), > > not just as a dedicated piece of audio hardware. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 1/4/06, Todd Pafford wrote: > > > This brings up a good point about hardware obsolescence. > > That $3000 > > > laptop will (barring hardware failure) perform exactly the same 20 > > > years from now as long as you don't keep upgrading the > > software. It's > > > the increasing bloat and new features of newer software that puts a > > > hurting on hardware. Somehow the software industry has > > convinced us > > > all that we must perpetually have the latest, greatest versions. > > > > > > Just a thought. I'm a sucker like everyone else for needing the > > > newest toys. :) Todd > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:34:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B99E3BFE8; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:33:46 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002e01c6116e$29d88bd0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001201c6116d$a32bc520$6fe2a344@hppav> Thread-Index: AcYRbLSONML7NFrzRrOSHbbnQ+mbwgAAVWCw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:34:00 +0000 (UTC) > To all the computer-based people, how many of you are running > NT on your laptops today - a standard from just 5 years ago. > Five years from now what will be available, I wonder I don't know of anybody who had been running NT on his laptop, simply because this was...troublesome. I do know however people who still run NT 3.51 on their servers... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:54:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34C1F3BFCF; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xs4QR674ufu3jtQ1ZMkUKcYqPvJ1E4VKgicReRWk9W5/RWO+M6lO1v95pH1FLOxUfLPzF92a6jW6ZW76N2AImWSPBIOFrGL6NLE5bXKhngrNag8MDbwx4eLRyQqcVElZBA29GGsrC+DFePHTQLA3V6o7qEb2FR7PXZjK/7JKoCM= ; Message-ID: <20060104205446.94310.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 12:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: First Drum Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C45@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <84ThoC.A.3fD.XYDvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:54:48 +0000 (UTC) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > "tomorrow never knows", anyone? if it wasn't, it > should've been..... Ha! I could've sworn to that one, too, but when I first read the post I decided to look it up before saying anything. On TNK, the drums were practically the only thing that WASN'T a tape loop. But playing to loops certainly influenced Ringo's drumming on that tune, which in turn led engineer Geoff Emerick to try some interesting recording techniques. While Ringo played the repeating pattern, Emerick says "I moved the bass drum microphone much closer to the drum than had been done before. There's an early picture of the Beatles wearing a woolen jumper with four necks. I stuffed that inside the drum to deaden the sound. Then we put the sound through Fairchild 660 valve limiters and compressors. It became the sound of 'Revolver' and 'Pepper', really. Drums had never been heard like that before." -t- __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 20:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F2ED3BFD6; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:58:00 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 In-reply-to: <588ce11d0601041025m3ca17c21ld6c07c7bc1bdb134@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015101c61171$8cc2a160$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Art. I just ordered one. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 > > > I was surfing around, and came upon the Fender Cyber Foot > Controller Gig Bag for $10.99: > http://www.interstatemusic.com/Fender-Fender-Cyber-Foot-Contro > ller-Gig-Bag--i1029004.music > > If memory serves, wasn't this case recommended on this list > as good fit for the Behringer FCB1010? > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 21:16:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953833BFE6; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d0601041025m3ca17c21ld6c07c7bc1bdb134@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26A035A4-240A-4575-908A-91AE24C0D5F2@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:16:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 6ee017cb-7d67-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:16:59 +0000 (UTC) I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise you'd have to take out the molded foam. On Jan 4, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 4 jan 2006, at 19.25, Art Simon wrote: > > >> I was surfing around, and came upon the Fender Cyber Foot Controller >> Gig Bag for $10.99: >> http://www.interstatemusic.com/Fender-Fender-Cyber-Foot-Controller- >> Gig-Bag--i1029004.music >> >> If memory serves, wasn't this case recommended on this list as good >> fit for the Behringer FCB1010? >> > > > I have a similar gig bag by Line 6. On week two the zipper slipped > out of track and I have not been able to fix them. I use rubber > bands to keep the bag together ;-) > > A cool thing for a FCB1010 would be a normal traveling trunk of > the same measure. Just a little bit bigger so you could wrap that > FCB into a sleeping bag and put some extra socks on the side. Then > it could go unwrecked as checked in luggage if traveling by flight. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 21:37:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B68A3BFDA; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <26A035A4-240A-4575-908A-91AE24C0D5F2@zoekeating.com> References: <588ce11d0601041025m3ca17c21ld6c07c7bc1bdb134@mail.gmail.com> <26A035A4-240A-4575-908A-91AE24C0D5F2@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <54A318A1-A4F3-4C89-8906-A3E56BD2D291@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:37:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out > the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise > you'd have to take out the molded foam. Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 21:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F9A43BFEE; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:43:20 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-reply-to: <001201c6116d$a32bc520$6fe2a344@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43BC4178.8060609@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> <001201c6116d$a32bc520$6fe2a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:43:24 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer wrote: > To all the computer-based people, how many of you are running NT on your > laptops today - a standard from just 5 years ago. Five years from now what > will be available, I wonder I don't run NT any more, but everything I bought for NT still runs on XP Home. Five years from now we will be running Windows XP 2010 and it will run most if not all of the software you have now. Home computer operating systems have matured to the point where I really don't expect to see any dramatic changes other than 64-bit, more eye candy in the user interface, and "utilities" like that new searching feature in OS/X. OS/X is basically Mach where it counts and that's been around for 20 years. I don't find the "eventual obsolescence" argument very interesting, I guess because I've been conditioned to look at a computer purchase like a car purchase. I'm going to buy a new one every 4 or 5 years, it's just part of the cost of living. Horses live longer than cars, but people don't seem to complain about that any more. Should computers be held to a higher standard? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 22:18:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71E1A3BFE1; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Azyoc7oVioNfVndX/A+uSfn9FOu8TvV7Ee0SArBrd1O/qmjij0uy0pqV66lfjjX5nIKk0RCL+fsocrxS+Q7JY7u3XYY0tq7A/3qfufTgeP+xZKpcYsAbtjJnOy+rV0fE0/b+ddyrqvyeKSvU78CJNLC6sWApa3Bm/3kOjxxr6U8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:18:50 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <43BC4178.8060609@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> <001201c6116d$a32bc520$6fe2a344@hppav> <43BC4178.8060609@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Comparing cars to computers is often problematic. I'd compare the computer in this case to a tape deck, or some rack gear, or an instrument. For a long time, these were tools that with simple periodic maintenance would continue to do what they were designed to for literally decades. Of course, cars were more like that when they were largely non-digital. It depends on what you mean by "the" software. I've been using computers for hard disk recording for seven or eight years, and the first three programs I used won't run on my current system due to the OS9/X switchover. Since I started using OS X, I've had to give Digidesign several infusions of cash to keep my ProTools setup working. I could have stopped updating the operating system and ProTools, but most people don't get into computer solutions to eliminate options. None of the plugins that I was using on my OS 9 PCI system work on my OS X setup. Some of them have updated versions, which I could purchase, but the line between "using the same software and paying for updates" and "buying a new piece of software" starts to become sort of academic. I'm skeptical of the idea that we're in a new age of computing where software doesn't suffer obsolesence. Regardless of how clever the OS designers may be in providing a platform that favors long-term compatibility, the application folks aren't thinking "Gosh, I must make sure I follow all OS programming guidelines to insure that my software doesn't break with the next update", but more "Hey--this clever hack will give me performance that I need, I'll worry about the ramifications when the next OS update arrives..." TravisH On 1/4/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > To all the computer-based people, how many of you are running NT on you= r > > laptops today - a standard from just 5 years ago. Five years from now = what > > will be available, I wonder > > I don't run NT any more, but everything I bought for NT still runs on XP = Home. > Five years from now we will be running Windows XP 2010 and it will run mo= st if > not all of the software you have now. > > Home computer operating systems have matured to the point where I really > don't expect to see any dramatic changes other than 64-bit, more > eye candy in the user interface, and "utilities" like that new searching > feature in OS/X. OS/X is basically Mach where it counts and that's been > around for 20 years. > > I don't find the "eventual obsolescence" argument very interesting, I > guess because I've been conditioned to look at a computer purchase > like a car purchase. I'm going to buy a new one every 4 or 5 years, > it's just part of the cost of living. Horses live longer than > cars, but people don't seem to complain about that any more. Should > computers be held to a higher standard? > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 22:41:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C37C3BFEB; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.201.34.91] X-Originating-Email: [conleycd@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: conleycd@sympatico.ca From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Echoplex Digital Pro with footcontroller Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:41:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2006 22:41:21.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC04A740:01C6117F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, Sorry to make a post like this. I have loved the list, the group, and my Echoplex for some time but now I need to sell my Echoplex. It is the Oberheim/Gibson Digital Echoplex. It comes with the foot controller and 198 seconds of loop time. It is Loop III version 5. It's in good condition. I'm asking $600 or best offer. Christopher Conley conleycd@sympatico.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 23:02:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43D63BFEC; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:02:57 +0000 Message-Id: <010420062302.12451.43BC5421000AA681000030A321979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:02:59 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio > feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with > shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the > stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle... > > enjoy! > > Steve When he played here in Champaign, IL USA several months ago for the Wall to Wall Guitar Festival, he was using a Digitech (or was it DOD?) 8-second delay and a Tube Screamer, among a lot of other stuff I didn't see. He had the 8-second delay on a barstool and was hitting it constantly through the whole gig to make short recordings. Great show. In the middle of the set the battery ran down in his Tube Screamer and it started making hissing sounds. He handled it in a very cool way. "I have to stop for a moment because one of my batteries died, I'm sorry.." He changed it and then WITHOUT the Tube Screamer on, said "Can you hear the difference?" Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 23:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E826F3BFDD; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:39:37 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01df01c61188$1fe58dc0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:38:13 +0000 (UTC) To all, No-one's complained, but I can see that some of my posts maybe seem argumentative. I'm not trying to be argumentative. (It just comes naturally). Honestly, I'm sorry if I come off that way - I just seem to find it entertaining to stir things up here and there. And in this area I fully expect there to be hardcore hw fans and hardcore sw fans, and I wouldn't expect either side to really get the other (since I am guilty of not really "getting" the hw thing). I'm obviously a sw booster. And I have vested (albeit pathetically small) economic interests in boosting music sw. But still, I'm a sw booster for quite a few valid (for me, at any rate) reasons. I'm not really interested in proving I'm right (ok, I'm lying, but I'm striving for that), but I do like to respond fully if I think there are new points to make. Anyway... Travis, good points. I have had to pay Cycling 74 more than twice over the years for MAX/MSP upgrades as computer systems evolved (but I've used it for a *long* time, and the PC version was *free* once I'd paid for the Mac version). But the difference for me between that and, say, a guitar controller with special features becoming obsolete or a synth dying is that I *can* pay for an upgrade to the software. Since I'm a software manufacturer, I don't mind paying other software manufacturers for updates at reasonable intervals and reasonable prices. Now, some manufacturers seem to be a bit extortionist when it comes to their prices for updates (or frequency - but how can you complain about frequent updates?), and for those I usually fall behind until the latest version presents a compelling value/price proposition. Upkeep costs are not limited to sw. When I got my first mono tape recorder as a teenager, I was shocked by my first repair bill only a few years later. When the repair guy said, "expect to pay 1/4 of the price of the machine every year for maintenance", I staggered out of the store in shock, thinking "they didn't tell me that when they sold me the machine." I think your best point about incompatibility relates to DAWs. They mostly use proprietary formats. But now that's largely addressed, isn't it, by the OMF format? Travis, you were unfortunate in your timing with the OS's - you adopted OS9 during its death throes. The transition from 16-bit pseudo-multitasking operating systems to 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking OSs was a huge one for both Microsoft and Apple, and both companies learned how to create a "modern" OS in the process (more or less). Both had to scrap compatibility in the process - the 16-bit systems weren't designed well-enough to survive. Windows 3.1 users moving to Windows 95 had similar problems. However, this won't happen in the switch to 64-bit. The installed base of 32-bit software is a zillion times bigger than the installed base of 16-bit software ever was. The stakes are huge. Plus, the big players in the music sw world have been around long enough that at least a few of them can be trusted to provide upgrade paths (not for free, of course). Sonar already has a 64-bit version, and there's a bridge that lets 32-bit VSTs run under the 64-bit version of Windows. To me, something doesn't become obsolescent if there's an upgrade path, even if it costs something (reasonable). I care about being *able* to perform all my pieces, even after my current computer or footcontroller breaks or is repurposed. Bottom line for me: I've had to discard or replace tens of thousands of dollars of hardware, and at least temporarily retire quite a few pieces because of this. Hw doesn't become obsolete? It sure hurts like it does... Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is > misguided > > > Comparing cars to computers is often problematic. I'd > compare the computer in this case to a tape deck, or some > rack gear, or an instrument. For a long time, these were > tools that with simple periodic maintenance would continue to > do what they were designed to for literally decades. Of > course, cars were more like that when they were largely non-digital. > > It depends on what you mean by "the" software. I've been > using computers for hard disk recording for seven or eight > years, and the first three programs I used won't run on my > current system due to the OS9/X switchover. Since I started > using OS X, I've had to give Digidesign several infusions of > cash to keep my ProTools setup working. I could have stopped > updating the operating system and ProTools, but most people > don't get into computer solutions to eliminate options. > > None of the plugins that I was using on my OS 9 PCI system > work on my OS X setup. Some of them have updated versions, > which I could purchase, but the line between "using the same > software and paying for updates" and "buying a new piece of > software" starts to become sort of academic. > > I'm skeptical of the idea that we're in a new age of > computing where software doesn't suffer obsolesence. > Regardless of how clever the OS designers may be in providing > a platform that favors long-term compatibility, the > application folks aren't thinking "Gosh, I must make sure I > follow all OS programming guidelines to insure that my > software doesn't break with the next update", but more > "Hey--this clever hack will give me performance that I need, > I'll worry about the ramifications when the next OS update arrives..." > > TravisH > > On 1/4/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > To all the computer-based people, how many of you are > running NT on > > > your laptops today - a standard from just 5 years ago. > Five years > > > from now what will be available, I wonder > > > > I don't run NT any more, but everything I bought for NT > still runs on > > XP Home. Five years from now we will be running Windows XP > 2010 and it > > will run most if not all of the software you have now. > > > > Home computer operating systems have matured to the point where I > > really don't expect to see any dramatic changes other than 64-bit, > > more eye candy in the user interface, and "utilities" like that new > > searching feature in OS/X. OS/X is basically Mach where it > counts and > > that's been around for 20 years. > > > > I don't find the "eventual obsolescence" argument very > interesting, I > > guess because I've been conditioned to look at a computer purchase > > like a car purchase. I'm going to buy a new one every 4 or > 5 years, > > it's just part of the cost of living. Horses live longer > than cars, > > but people don't seem to complain about that any more. Should > > computers be held to a higher standard? > > > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 4 23:58:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6BEA3BFAE; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011101c6118a$b46b0770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:58:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) I've been meaning to post this to the list forever, but I read this on the liner notes of the rerelease of Miles' seminal In a Silent Way...........released in '69: Teo Macero used drum loops in both long pieces on that record. I didn't think Tony Williams would be able to play the same thing over and over again without variation. It just wasn't in his nature. He also looped the percussionist and the tabla player and some melodic figures apparently. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 00:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB50D3BFBB; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:01:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for December, 2005 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43BC61E2.7070903@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:02:47 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/top20dec.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for December, 2005. Shows #454 to #457; 1-December-2005 to 29-December-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Craig Padilla and Zero Ohms - Path of Least Resistance - Lotuspike Deep Sky Divers - Incandescent - any robin hood Dreamwind - Ambient Trails - none Erez Yaary Project - Ambience - none Gert Emmens - Asteroids - Quantum Gert Emmens - Elektra - Quantum Gert Emmens - Obscure Movements in Twilight Shades - Groove Gert Emmens - Wanderer of Time - Groove Gert Emmens - When Darkness Falls Upon the Earth - Groove Gert Emmens and Ruud Heij - Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Night - EH IXOHOXI - Micronicom - none Lambert Ringlage and Stephen Parsick - Trancesession - Spheric Parallel Worlds - Far Away Light - Shima Parallel Worlds - Insight - Shima Polaris - Moo'n'sequences - none Polaris - Re: Transmission - none Team Metlay - Beneath Stars - Atomic City Various Artists - Sequences No. 31 - emma Wave World - The Winds of Laax - Quantum ['ramp] - Oughtibridge - Doombient Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 00:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80CDE3BFDA; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CioDwZJmyj+UIGHZGOwjhHIo7QRHKR+9Nx8b0VqgPFuPZ44AkFf8VynpNOSru4ht19n3POcxFpMbG9OHESpVBbwc4RacbdySIdu/L+ua2q5pAR4UCkWp64fpEdbmcA2c0aKaMBqBAjyqzfisy+4KhZLrbeOqDkhhG7QupwjDA+I= ; Message-ID: <20060105001032.90591.qmail@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater viability To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060104213739.CF7E83BFF0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, I didn't mean to jump down your throat. Peter and I are in close contact as I'm in his shop every few weeks or on the phone with him every few days. He's not on the LD list, though he usually tries to post on the Yahoo list. Basically he's on a Non-disclosure agreement with Electrix so when he posted that he hadn't heard from them in a long time, that was true. Then he got through eventually and I can't tell you what they talked about or else I'd have to kill you. To me, the news is neither here nor there. It just means that our worst fears have not yet come to pass. :) Stephen <> __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 00:45:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211333BFD0; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:24:53 -0500 Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <54A318A1-A4F3-4C89-8906-A3E56BD2D291@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:45:35 +0000 (UTC) I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part number they have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. NOT THE GIG BAG The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part number/price on the website. They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 price and he is supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double check your orders if you have made any. Craig on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > >> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. > > Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > >> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out >> the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise >> you'd have to take out the molded foam. > > Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 00:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936F43BFE6; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GVpaARckDPAvEob2C6xYnNrqhwxbre+q2vVoC/wyKBj/m/Q0ZD0XSAIWgZ6iLaEkl+PBTOWhppeg7rsjDNoGR22zX84KZ+W7QnN9o7qh0v3esRVT7bRk53Y2oNshwy+e6dPWNTaRLoMrF7g3bk/MKl+IxJ0vy68/LvEbk8tZCIs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:50:18 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <01df01c61188$1fe58dc0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01df01c61188$1fe58dc0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I've been on the downside of a number of platforms. Ask me about the Tascam multi-track minidisk recorder. Or, don't. My rule of thumb was if I got one album out of a system, it paid for itself, so I wasn't hit that bad, but music can be an expensive day at the races.=20 I don't really mind paying for software/hardware upgrades, but I don't want to pretend that computers are cost-free tools, or even necessarily cheaper if it isn't so. What's funny is how we perceive various "ownership" costs. If you're an active guitarist, you may got through a hundred dollars of strings, picks, etc. over the course of a year. Every few years you may need some fretwork for another couple hundred dollars. Tubes, caps and speakers need replacement in amps and so on, but these are viewed as "consumables", even though the amount of money laid out is about the same as keeping your DAW software up to date. With computer-based tools, you've got the problems of depreciation and obsolesence of both hardware and software. I think Mr. Frasca is correct in that if you buy a $3K PowerBook today, it's worth only a fraction after a few years. I wasn't able to include the entire article detailing his PowerBook based setup, but it's basically a 17" Powerbook with a custom breakout box (he's individual output channels from his guitar for each of ten strings, plus a mic feed) going into a MOTU interface, into the PowerBook running Logic. He's then got a bunch of plug-ins for the usual EQ, compression, reverb, chorus and pitchshifting, all of which can and frequently are reconfigured for each piece, and then everything goes out to the PA in stereo. At home he does some 5.1. Logic is probably going to be around for at least the next three years, probably longer, and none of the plugins he's using sound terribly idiosyncratic, so I would guess he'll be able to duplicate his current functionality for quite some time. Of course, in a year or so he'll hear about about some amazing new reverb that requires a newer version of Logic, which will require a paid update of the OS, and then the PowerBook will start to feel a litle pokey, and someone will have a vastly improved firewire audio interface, and the new setup sounds really great in 128-bit sampling, and so keeping his system up-to-date will cost another $5K. He'll be able to get some money back on the old hardware, but old software isn't worth beans.=20 On the other hand, he'll have saved a ton of money in air freight by not having to schlep around a twelve channel mixer and a rack of processors, the sum total of which would doubtless cost more than the PowerBook set up, but will hold their resale value better for the seemingly inevitable updates--new reverbs, better mixer, etc, and he can probably write the whole thing off as a business expense. On the other hand, for the serious, yet non-professional musician, air-freight savings probably don't factor in too much. It's interesting to compare how much a non-computer-based setup costs versus the alternative, for a real-world setup. Let's say I tried to switch over. Currently my signal path is: Guitar A/B box ($200) Tuner ($100) Yamaha acoustic guitar preamp (includes EQ, feedback control, reverb, compression, etc) ($300) Rane SM26 mixer/splitter ($125) 2 Echoplexes ($1600) Echoplex foot controller ($125) A/B box for sharing controller between EDP's ($50) Volume Pedal ($50) DI boxes ($125) Which totals about $2700, assuming new prices. That's leaving out cable and rack costs, and amplification, since that'll be roughly the same in the new setup. If I use a PowerBook ($3K with max ram, etc), Logic ($500), some two channel audio interface ($200), SooperLooper (doesn't do everything, but reasonably close for now--plus it's free!), a Behringer FCB ($150) then I'm looking about another grand over the old setup. The old one is heavy, but retains much more resale value. Maybe I can get by with a cheaper laptop and VST host, but I'd imagine it's difficult to shave off much more than a grand while staying in the Mac platform (and maybe not even with an audio-appropriate Windows solution). Plus, in my case I paid less than the prices quoted above for many of those bits since I've had them for years now, but for someone starting from scratch, I think those figures are accurate for both approaches. The laptop solution of course has the advantage of being able to do a bunch of other things, even related to music, but I'm not the sort of person who says "Great--now my lifetime dream of twelve channels of diatonic pitch-shifting with MIDI-synced panning and modulation is finally within my reach!" I use two reverb patches over the course of an evening with my current setup, even though I could do much more without a lot of effort. It's an aesthetic choice. I could ditch one of the EDP's without too much hassle, in which case the cost drops another $850, and now the laptop setup is looking even more expensive. But what works for me may not work for everyone. However, I think it's illuminating to consider how much our perception of what tools we need are determined by what tools are available. How much loop time does one need and how much just sounds like a good idea? TravisH On 1/4/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > > I'm obviously a sw booster. And I have vested (albeit pathetically small) > economic interests in boosting music sw. But still, I'm a sw booster for > quite a few valid (for me, at any rate) reasons. I'm not really intereste= d > in proving I'm right (ok, I'm lying, but I'm striving for that), but I do > like to respond fully if I think there are new points to make. > > Anyway... > > Travis, good points. I have had to pay Cycling 74 more than twice over th= e > years for MAX/MSP upgrades as computer systems evolved (but I've used it = for > a *long* time, and the PC version was *free* once I'd paid for the Mac > version). But the difference for me between that and, say, a guitar > controller with special features becoming obsolete or a synth dying is th= at > I *can* pay for an upgrade to the software. Since I'm a software > manufacturer, I don't mind paying other software manufacturers for update= s > at reasonable intervals and reasonable prices. Now, some manufacturers se= em > to be a bit extortionist when it comes to their prices for updates (or > frequency - but how can you complain about frequent updates?), and for th= ose > I usually fall behind until the latest version presents a compelling > value/price proposition. > > Upkeep costs are not limited to sw. When I got my first mono tape recorde= r > as a teenager, I was shocked by my first repair bill only a few years lat= er. > When the repair guy said, "expect to pay 1/4 of the price of the machine > every year for maintenance", I staggered out of the store in shock, think= ing > "they didn't tell me that when they sold me the machine." > > I think your best point about incompatibility relates to DAWs. They mostl= y > use proprietary formats. But now that's largely addressed, isn't it, by t= he > OMF format? > > Travis, you were unfortunate in your timing with the OS's - you adopted O= S9 > during its death throes. The transition from 16-bit pseudo-multitasking > operating systems to 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking OSs was a huge one f= or > both Microsoft and Apple, and both companies learned how to create a > "modern" OS in the process (more or less). Both had to scrap compatibilit= y > in the process - the 16-bit systems weren't designed well-enough to survi= ve. > Windows 3.1 users moving to Windows 95 had similar problems. > > However, this won't happen in the switch to 64-bit. The installed base of > 32-bit software is a zillion times bigger than the installed base of 16-b= it > software ever was. The stakes are huge. Plus, the big players in the musi= c > sw world have been around long enough that at least a few of them can be > trusted to provide upgrade paths (not for free, of course). Sonar already > has a 64-bit version, and there's a bridge that lets 32-bit VSTs run unde= r > the 64-bit version of Windows. > > To me, something doesn't become obsolescent if there's an upgrade path, e= ven > if it costs something (reasonable). I care about being *able* to perform = all > my pieces, even after my current computer or footcontroller breaks or is > repurposed. > > Bottom line for me: I've had to discard or replace tens of thousands of > dollars of hardware, and at least temporarily retire quite a few pieces > because of this. Hw doesn't become obsolete? It sure hurts like it does..= . > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 00:52:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891FE3BFF2; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UmIO3QYVMEOdFGV4aGCTjihyVyrQyK0JyNfr5WsGVjnsPquZ82kUHClQJkUq7zqxMgFD9MMy2dwlf47XTKi5zsNZLyRAJT0/bbqf05UcGZuyzUYUT+TBDM69/GMUIVosVo0tNU1km0oJFzNZM4LpFtTTEwcg5/qCLfP+uY5VOjE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:52:22 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" In-Reply-To: <011101c6118a$b46b0770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <011101c6118a$b46b0770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Really? I thought he just looped that first few minutes in one big 2-track splice, so you hear the first few minutes twice before the side develops for another fifteen-odd minutes of all-live playing. TravisH On 1/4/06, loop.pool wrote: > I've been meaning to post this to the list forever, but I read this on th= e > liner notes of the > rerelease of Miles' seminal In a Silent Way...........released in '69: > > Teo Macero used drum loops in both long pieces on that record. > > I didn't think Tony Williams would be able to play the same thing over an= d > over again without variation. > It just wasn't in his nature. > > He also looped the percussionist and the tabla player and some melodic > figures apparently. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 01:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5ED13BFEC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <00BFD3A4-679E-46C3-BC4F-7B7B0560E253@fuse.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--795309056 References: From: monk Subject: Fwd: [rfc1] FS: Mitigator Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:48:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:48:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--795309056 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed speaking of pedalboards, this is one of the best. i own two myself. this is a great deal... Begin forwarded message: > From: "Ned911" > Date: January 4, 2006 6:50:54 PM EST (CA) > To: rfc1@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [rfc1] FS: Mitigator > Reply-To: rfc1@yahoogroups.com > > > Thought I would try this group before ebay. Going to a basic > pedalboard and away from the guitar rack so my Mitigator is for sale. > > $125 shipped ConUS - PayPal preferred. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rfc1/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > rfc1-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > --Apple-Mail-1--795309056 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 speaking of pedalboards, this is = one of the best. i own two myself. this is a great = deal...

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Subject: = [rfc1] FS: Mitigator
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Thought I = would try this group before ebay.=A0= Going to a basic
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$125 = shipped ConUS - PayPal preferred.








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= --Apple-Mail-1--795309056-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 01:58:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323E73BFFD; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Mitigator for sale Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:58:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <00BFD3A4-679E-46C3-BC4F-7B7B0560E253@fuse.net> Thread-Index: AcYRmevH3HS/y591SyKiH6Y3472y7wAARWpQ Message-Id: <20060105015651.HGAI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:58:58 +0000 (UTC) This is the pedal I replaced with the PMC-10, and aside from not having a momentary function (and no PC editor software--yo, Sean!), there is not a lot of difference between them--this is the kind of MIDI foot controller most EDP power users need. Gary ________________________________________ From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:48 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: [rfc1] FS: Mitigator speaking of pedalboards, this is one of the best. i own two myself. this is a great deal...Going to a basic pedalboard and away from the guitar rack so my Mitigator is for sale. $125 shipped ConUS - PayPal preferred. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 01:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3493C3BFFE; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qKOgSi2WwWgwh9REkkkWUuWmUfXJloCmYNcXbJ5OGcSvxJXClDYP/l2m5lugnA9tHL9Guiy06MlbUBG56QUdDpg/OXX02r4UyXpXi1JCPMvG0qWE9LTtv9dEhnJmGFn+GJygw834DnXRVZhUDFlNbs0Oy70HLTGc+dfSE5RSVJI= ; Message-ID: <20060105015918.21795.qmail@web34914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010420062302.12451.43BC5421000AA681000030A321979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1964161139-1136426358=:21341" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:59:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-1964161139-1136426358=:21341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the link to recording of the show, Steve. Too bad I'm unable to get it to play or save it on my 'puter. Anybody else having the same problem? I'm a pretty big fan of Bill and I've seen him four times (and had a chance to talk to him after one) and he's pretty mellow and unassuming. But his music is absolutely great - sometimes I think he musically repeats himself but since it's great playing to begin with, then I'm not going to complain about it. ted harms. mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio > feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with > shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the > stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle... > > enjoy! > > Steve When he played here in Champaign, IL USA several months ago for the Wall to Wall Guitar Festival, he was using a Digitech (or was it DOD?) 8-second delay and a Tube Screamer, among a lot of other stuff I didn't see. He had the 8-second delay on a barstool and was hitting it constantly through the whole gig to make short recordings. Great show. In the middle of the set the battery ran down in his Tube Screamer and it started making hissing sounds. He handled it in a very cool way. "I have to stop for a moment because one of my batteries died, I'm sorry.." He changed it and then WITHOUT the Tube Screamer on, said "Can you hear the difference?" Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1964161139-1136426358=:21341 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for the link to recording of the show, Steve.  Too bad I'm unable to get it to play or save it on my 'puter.  Anybody else having the same problem?
 
I'm a pretty big fan of Bill and I've seen him four times (and had a chance to talk to him after one) and he's pretty mellow and unassuming.
 
But his music is absolutely great - sometimes I think he musically repeats himself but since it's great playing to begin with, then I'm not going to complain about it.
 
 
ted harms.


mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:



> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio
> feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with
> shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the
> stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle...
>
> enjoy!
>
> Steve

When he played here in Champaign, IL USA several months ago for the
Wall to Wall Guitar Festival, he was using a Digitech (or was it DOD?)
8-second delay and a Tube Screamer, among a lot of other stuff I didn't
see. He had the 8-second delay on a barstool and was hitting it
constantly through the whole gig to make short recordings. Great show.
In the middle of the set the battery ran down in his Tube Screamer
and it started making hissing sounds. He handled it in a very
cool way. "I have to stop for a moment because one of my batteries
died, I'm sorry.." He changed it and then WITHOUT the Tube Screamer
on, said "Can you hear the difference?"

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net


Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --0-1964161139-1136426358=:21341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 02:04:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA6533BFFA; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060105015651.HGAI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060105015651.HGAI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--794352251 Message-Id: From: monk Subject: Re: Mitigator for sale Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:03:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--794352251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed does the PMC do note on/ off, send sys-ex, have multiple midi commands/midi channels per footpedal and have the ability to name eveything? just curious, i'm not familiar with it. if it does all that, i might need to move over to that pedal.. does it also have a jack for cv pedal? On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > This is the pedal I replaced with the PMC-10, and aside from not > having a > momentary function (and no PC editor software--yo, Sean!), there is > not a > lot of difference between them--this is the kind of MIDI foot > controller > most EDP power users need. --Apple-Mail-2--794352251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII does the PMC do note on/ off, = send sys-ex, have multiple midi commands/midi channels per footpedal and = have the ability to name eveything? just curious, i'm not familiar with = it. if it does all that, i might need to move over to that pedal.. does = it also have a jack for cv pedal?



On Jan 4, = 2006, at 8:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote:

This is the pedal I replaced = with the PMC-10, and aside from not having a

momentary function (and no = PC editor software--yo, Sean!), there is not a

lot of difference between = them--this is the kind of MIDI foot controller

most EDP power users = need.


= --Apple-Mail-2--794352251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 02:05:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A4BF3C000; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060105015651.HGAI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060105015651.HGAI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--794284689 Message-Id: <375532F0-4616-48B1-B7BE-8694B20F159B@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: Mitigator for sale Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:05:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:05:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--794284689 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > This is the pedal I replaced with the PMC-10, and aside from not > having a > momentary function also, i assume you are saying that the pmc-10 doesn't have a momentary function, because the midigator does... --Apple-Mail-3--794284689 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote:

This is the pedal I replaced with the PMC-10, and aside from not having a

momentary function



also, i assume you are saying that the pmc-10 doesn't have a momentary function, because the midigator does...



--Apple-Mail-3--794284689-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 02:46:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8783C003; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060104184700.0a9ada58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:48:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Mitigator for sale In-Reply-To: <375532F0-4616-48B1-B7BE-8694B20F159B@fuse.net> References: <20060105015651.HGAI17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <375532F0-4616-48B1-B7BE-8694B20F159B@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:46:27 +0000 (UTC) At 06:05 PM 1/4/2006, monk wrote: >On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >>This is the pedal I replaced with the PMC-10, and aside from not having a >> >>momentary function > > >also, i assume you are saying that the pmc-10 doesn't have a momentary >function, because the midigator does... they both do, so far as I know. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 02:49:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72AC73C013; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Mitigator for sale Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:49:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYRnF0HHlPGzzmyTXGlUqH6gr5h/gABc5oQ Message-Id: <20060105024747.IHAL17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 02:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ric-- Yes, the PMC does all that--and my mistake on the momentary function then, 'cause the PMC has that ability but I thought the RFC did not. The PMC has 500 patch slots, 9 patches per bank, and 5 sets, so it has more stuff than the RFC--and some other functions, something called enhanced mode where it goes back to a previous patch, and an A and B string for each patch--hey, the Mitigator doesn't have that, how can it have momentary? Gary ________________________________________ From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mitigator for sale does the PMC do note on/ off, send sys-ex, have multiple midi commands/midi channels per footpedal and have the ability to name eveything? just curious, i'm not familiar with it. if it does all that, i might need to move over to that pedal.. does it also have a jack for cv pedal? On Jan 4, 2006, at 8:58 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: This is the pedal I replaced with the PMC-10, and aside from not having a momentary function (and no PC editor software--yo, Sean!), there is not a lot of difference between them--this is the kind of MIDI foot controller most EDP power users need. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 03:16:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899AC3C00B; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ml22y4q5WH1E5DpjN1kz2jpkdmrAkX1SR+2iS0YXhLzErce3t5aX604734uUJb8kSp6EeVOzYh/5gukJUmDnI+ZImTZhtdsWVuzCzuziT/cAkpxH/ByDj+3THXPEWwxZ09YdfpkXX+BQ8Kjdz2g8lfAPx1LBgrDSOfJv5n66eq4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601041906y787bfae5vb1d3c2bd740aec98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:06:58 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <54A318A1-A4F3-4C89-8906-A3E56BD2D291@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, that's a bummer. I took the web page for what it said. They even sent me an email that read: Qty =09Description =09Returns =09Price =09Shipping =09Subtotal 1 =09Fender Fender Cyber Foot Controller Gig Bag (#1029004) Availability: =09Type: New =09 Standard Return Rules =09$10.99 =09$4.99 =09$10.99 continue shopping =09 Subtotal =09$10.99 Tax: =09$0.00 Shipping: =09$4.99 Total: =09$15.98 On 1/4/06, Craig Mitchell wrote: > > I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part number the= y > have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. > > NOT THE GIG BAG > > The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part number/price on the > website. > > They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 price and he is > supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double check your orders= if > you have made any. > > Craig > > > > > on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > > > On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > >> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. > > > > Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > > > >> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out > >> the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise > >> you'd have to take out the molded foam. > > > > Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 03:58:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711773C014; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:05:46 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... To: Message-id: <001101c611ad$4e7a7360$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010420062302.12451.43BC5421000AA681000030A321979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:58:56 +0000 (UTC) So he was back to his stripped down set-up, with his Digitech 8 second looper delay pedal. he makes so much music with his hands, just one little pedal like that is all he needs. He is really amazing. If he comes to your town, he's very worth seeing if you can. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio > > feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with > > shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the > > stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle... > > > > enjoy! > > > > Steve > > When he played here in Champaign, IL USA several months ago for the > Wall to Wall Guitar Festival, he was using a Digitech (or was it DOD?) > 8-second delay and a Tube Screamer, among a lot of other stuff I didn't > see. He had the 8-second delay on a barstool and was hitting it > constantly through the whole gig to make short recordings. Great show. > In the middle of the set the battery ran down in his Tube Screamer > and it started making hissing sounds. He handled it in a very > cool way. "I have to stop for a moment because one of my batteries > died, I'm sorry.." He changed it and then WITHOUT the Tube Screamer > on, said "Can you hear the difference?" > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 04:01:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 806A43C019; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:08:09 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! To: Message-id: <001a01c611ad$a3dcaa80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <2cLx2.A.G4.UoJvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Well, that would have lead to a Monty Python moment, when the package arrived... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Mitchell" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:24 PM Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > > I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part number they > have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. > > NOT THE GIG BAG > > The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part number/price on the > website. > > They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 price and he is > supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double check your orders if > you have made any. > > Craig > > > > > on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > > > On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > >> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. > > > > Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > > > >> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out > >> the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise > >> you'd have to take out the molded foam. > > > > Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 06:41:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDE353C014; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <135601c611c3$18e67850$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001a01c611ad$a3dcaa80$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:41:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.728000 Subject has many exclamations=0.7,Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0,Subject has exclamation mark and question mark=0.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 96, in=56342, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3gJRCB.A.IxH.t-LvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:41:49 +0000 (UTC) This is more like it: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CyberFCBag/ Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > Well, that would have lead to a Monty Python moment, when the package > arrived... :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Mitchell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > > > > > > I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part number they > > have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. > > > > NOT THE GIG BAG > > > > The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part number/price on the > > website. > > > > They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 price and he is > > supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double check your orders > if > > you have made any. > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > > > > > On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > > > >> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. > > > > > > Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > > > > > >> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out > > >> the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise > > >> you'd have to take out the molded foam. > > > > > > Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 07:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A59E3C017; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:57:35 -0500 Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <135601c611c3$18e67850$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:19:07 +0000 (UTC) The sales guy at Interstate called me back and said that the correct price was approx $49 I think he said they had one in stock. I could be wrong about that. Anyway, double check your orders. Hope this saves someone some frustsration. Who knows, maybe they wil honor the price for some people? Craig on 1/5/06 1:41 AM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > This is more like it: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CyberFCBag/ > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > > >> Well, that would have lead to a Monty Python moment, when the package >> arrived... :-) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Craig Mitchell" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:24 PM >> Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! >> >> >>> >>> I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part number > they >>> have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. >>> >>> NOT THE GIG BAG >>> >>> The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part number/price on the >>> website. >>> >>> They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 price and he is >>> supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double check your > orders >> if >>> you have made any. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: >>> >>>> On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: >>>> >>>>> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. >>>> >>>> Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. >>>> >>>>> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out >>>>> the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise >>>>> you'd have to take out the molded foam. >>>> >>>> Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >>>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 08:34:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AE463C026; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cc01c611d2$cb4d4140$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:34:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:34:03 +0000 (UTC) travis wrote: "Really? I thought he just looped that first few minutes in one big 2-track splice, so you hear the first few minutes twice before the side develops for another fifteen-odd minutes of all-live playing." Not according to the liner notes of the new digital remix of the record (which sounds fantastic, by the way). ........ also, that rolling 16th note hi hat pattern comes and goes several different times in the first song.............quite obviously a loop. I can also distinctly hear different tabla parts coming in an out later on . r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 08:37:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AD513C030; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eBS/NYfYO6oTc4XjY9/lwiXg0wB+1RtnVlKaleejr2W2VgUPQUyOdF69W6vBmrLA; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:36:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c611ad$4e7a7360$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48406890b4af9508cb697588d4a4d0956872fee374a2a11089350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.222.100 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:37:29 +0000 (UTC) i been going to frisell shows since forever-1st time i think i saw he was usin a EH16sec.DDL-volped and a RAT pedal-and the amazing sounds he got were astounding and so musical yet out there... also seen him change batteries in the middle of a set a few times-i guess he likes that tone you get just before a 9volt dies...(i do too! i got one of those 'smokey amplifiers'-1Watt and one 9Volt pushin a Marshall 4X12-and its hard to believe the SOUND w/ a battery from 11-10-03! one of his great tv moments was that old dave sanborn show-he played 'aint no sunshine' w/ sting singing and playin bass-it was bootifool. the wildest i ever saw him was @ slims w/ naked city w/ john zorn and fred frith-what a great band that was-time changes-keychanges and dynamics like crazy all w/in 3min.tunes... as w/ belew and torn-frisell can do no wrong... sez stan on 1/4/06 8:05 PM, David Kirkdorffer at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > So he was back to his stripped down set-up, with his Digitech 8 second > looper delay pedal. he makes so much music with his hands, just one little > pedal like that is all he needs. He is really amazing. If he comes to your > town, he's very worth seeing if you can. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... > > >> >> >> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio >>> feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with >>> shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the >>> stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle... >>> >>> enjoy! >>> >>> Steve >> >> When he played here in Champaign, IL USA several months ago for the >> Wall to Wall Guitar Festival, he was using a Digitech (or was it DOD?) >> 8-second delay and a Tube Screamer, among a lot of other stuff I didn't >> see. He had the 8-second delay on a barstool and was hitting it >> constantly through the whole gig to make short recordings. Great show. >> In the middle of the set the battery ran down in his Tube Screamer >> and it started making hissing sounds. He handled it in a very >> cool way. "I have to stop for a moment because one of my batteries >> died, I'm sorry.." He changed it and then WITHOUT the Tube Screamer >> on, said "Can you hear the difference?" >> >> Mark Smart >> http://www.marksmart.net >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 09:21:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1D7D3C034; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <003401c61153$4fb94ee0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <003401c61153$4fb94ee0$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <302557F5-29DE-4A7C-86FD-76B8760F7284@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: AW: AW: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:23:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_Do77D.A.sFG.GUOvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations. You've just found a bug in the Flash gallery. Images without captions fail to clear the previous caption. I've been mostly looking at the full screen slideshow and so hadn't noticed this. Time to pass that on to those responsible. Mark On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > One example I noticed (be advised I'm using IE under XP, so if it > appears > differently at your place this might be the reason): > > On page 5, Rick Walker has turned African-American. > On page 1, Greg Powers suddenly grows longer hair and a beard. Stan > Card > changes hairdo and clothing as well - twice. > On page 2, Matt Davignon grows his hair and a beard (and turns to > another > hair color in the process, and also changes his clothing and > apparent age). > There's another ethnicity changeover, this time for Genie on page 5. > > I just rechecked - it seems to me that some of the pictures don't have > captions and the flash thingie continues to display the caption for > the last > image. If you watch the pics in reverse order, Rick's ethnicity > change now > happens to Amard Chaudry. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 09:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ED433C039; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <302557F5-29DE-4A7C-86FD-76B8760F7284@baymoon.com> References: <003401c61153$4fb94ee0$0601a8c0@succubus> <302557F5-29DE-4A7C-86FD-76B8760F7284@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: AW: AW: Y2K5 Pictures Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:25:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:23:06 +0000 (UTC) The images that lack captions do so because I wasn't sure who they were pictures of. If anyone wants to send me more names, I can update the gallery. Mark On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:23 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Congratulations. You've just found a bug in the Flash gallery. > Images without captions fail to clear the previous caption. I've > been mostly looking at the full screen slideshow and so hadn't > noticed this. Time to pass that on to those responsible. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 10:25:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1623C033; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mwsmart@insightbb.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:25:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43BCF40D.17178.467B07@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <010420062302.12451.43BC5421000AA681000030A321979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <24mvbC.A.Wr.WQPvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:25:27 +0000 (UTC) On 4 Jan 2006 at 23:02, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with > > shitloads of excellent loopage. I can recommend his live album "East West" - not only innovative guitar playing, but looping crops up throughout. According to http://www.jazzguitar.be/guitar_rig_bill_frisell.html his looping gear consists of line6 delay modeller Boss DD1 digital delay pedal (for ambience) Lexicon MPX-100 Electro Harmonix 16 second delay Digitech 8 second delay I suspect the line6 is used the most frequently, since his loops often mutate, probably using the "tweez"(?) knob? All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 11:23:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22513C03A; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060105015918.21795.qmail@web34914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060105015918.21795.qmail@web34914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:23:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:23:21 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 02.59, ditch wrestler wrote: > Thanks for the link to recording of the show, Steve. Too bad I'm > unable to get it to play or save it on my 'puter. Anybody else > having the same problem? Noop. Streaming fine here in good sound fidelity. I have the free Real Player on OSX (working fine on WinXP as well though, but my sound card happen to be on the OS X box now, so that's where I'm listening now). Thanks for the link Steve, I'm at the "Across The Universe" cover now. Very enjoyable recording and performance!!! Quite often I find it difficult to listen to guitar music performed with "that typical jazz chorus sound" but on this gig Frisell did not dwell in that idiom for long. It's so nice to hear partly improvising payers that interact melodically with each other. I really like that sparse melodic touch (not bashing into dense "drones and loops"). Seems they use written songs as blue-prints all the time, even bridges and choruses appear at the usual places, but they kind of juggle things around in the way they play those themes. Very nice... as long as you can stand the sweetness ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 11:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83EED3C043; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:24:31 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow )twice!) and Galactic Travels To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Message-id: <43BD01EF.5030206@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:25:38 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Parallel Worlds (Athens Greece). The Featured CD at Midnight will be a special CDR put together by Parallel Worlds especially for Galactic Travels. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Grosses Wasser" by Cluster on Sky Records and released in 1979. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ I will be doing an extra show on Friday from 2:00 to 5:00 pm, Tune in at work or on your drive home. All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 13:55:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997543C03A; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:56:26 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Travis, I see how the math adds up. Interesting. It is true that computers, like almost all electronic devices (vintage gear excepted) seem to depreciate in the real world at about 50%/year, and that software pretty much depreciates 100% the day you "drive it out of the showroom". The latter is mostly because of the whole software protection/piracy mess which makes it nearly impossible to establish or transfer ownership in a trustworthy manner. Sad but true. OTOH, I don't know too many people who paid $2700 for their laptops - my Powerbook G4 is not state of the art, but together with 1GB of RAM it was about $1800, and while it's not as fast as main desktop pc, it is fast enough for now (until I start loading up with plugins, I guess). You can probably get a pretty fast Wintel laptop with a couple of gigs new for $1500 (just a guess). And - this point was made before, mostly - to be really nitpicky about it, the right way to calculate the cost of the computer is to calculate how much *extra* you had to pay to make the computer music-ready above and beyond what you were going to pay for an email/word processing/web/(and possibly work) computer anyway (which I assume is a necessity of life for anyone on this list). For me, that amount was $30 for the firewire card on my latest computer, and probably another $100 for extra hard disk space for audio files, since I need a fast machine for work anyway. The audio interface was pricey, but I paid for that with the last computer and just transferred it to the new one. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is > misguided > > > Oh, I've been on the downside of a number of platforms. Ask > me about the Tascam multi-track minidisk recorder. Or, > don't. My rule of thumb was if I got one album out of a > system, it paid for itself, so I wasn't hit that bad, but > music can be an expensive day at the races. > I don't really mind paying for software/hardware upgrades, > but I don't want to pretend that computers are cost-free > tools, or even necessarily cheaper if it isn't so. > > What's funny is how we perceive various "ownership" costs. > If you're an active guitarist, you may got through a hundred > dollars of strings, picks, etc. over the course of a year. > Every few years you may need some fretwork for another couple > hundred dollars. Tubes, caps and speakers need replacement > in amps and so on, but these are viewed as "consumables", > even though the amount of money laid out is about the same as > keeping your DAW software up to date. > > With computer-based tools, you've got the problems of > depreciation and obsolesence of both hardware and software. > I think Mr. Frasca is correct in that if you buy a $3K > PowerBook today, it's worth only a fraction after a few > years. I wasn't able to include the entire article detailing > his PowerBook based setup, but it's basically a 17" Powerbook > with a custom breakout box (he's individual output channels > from his guitar for each of ten strings, plus a mic feed) > going into a MOTU interface, into the PowerBook running > Logic. He's then got a bunch of plug-ins for the usual EQ, > compression, reverb, chorus and pitchshifting, all of which > can and frequently are reconfigured for each piece, and then > everything goes out to the PA in stereo. At home he does some 5.1. > > Logic is probably going to be around for at least the next > three years, probably longer, and none of the plugins he's > using sound terribly idiosyncratic, so I would guess he'll be > able to duplicate his current functionality for quite some > time. Of course, in a year or so he'll hear about about some > amazing new reverb that requires a newer version of Logic, > which will require a paid update of the OS, and then the > PowerBook will start to feel a litle pokey, and someone will > have a vastly improved firewire audio interface, and the new > setup sounds really great in 128-bit sampling, and so keeping > his system up-to-date will cost another $5K. He'll be able > to get some money back on the old hardware, but old software > isn't worth beans. > On the other hand, he'll have saved a ton of money in air > freight by not having to schlep around a twelve channel mixer > and a rack of processors, the sum total of which would > doubtless cost more than the PowerBook set up, but will hold > their resale value better for the seemingly inevitable > updates--new reverbs, better mixer, etc, and he can probably > write the whole thing off as a business expense. > > On the other hand, for the serious, yet non-professional > musician, air-freight savings probably don't factor in too > much. It's interesting to compare how much a > non-computer-based setup costs versus the alternative, for a > real-world setup. Let's say I tried to switch over. > Currently my signal path is: > > Guitar > A/B box ($200) > Tuner ($100) > Yamaha acoustic guitar preamp (includes EQ, feedback control, > reverb, compression, etc) ($300) Rane SM26 mixer/splitter > ($125) 2 Echoplexes ($1600) Echoplex foot controller ($125) > A/B box for sharing controller between EDP's ($50) Volume > Pedal ($50) DI boxes ($125) > > Which totals about $2700, assuming new prices. That's > leaving out cable and rack costs, and amplification, since > that'll be roughly the same in the new setup. If I use a > PowerBook ($3K with max ram, etc), Logic ($500), some two > channel audio interface ($200), SooperLooper (doesn't do > everything, but reasonably close for now--plus it's free!), a > Behringer FCB ($150) then I'm looking about another grand > over the old setup. The old one is heavy, but retains much > more resale value. Maybe I can get by with a cheaper laptop > and VST host, but I'd imagine it's difficult to shave off > much more than a grand while staying in the Mac platform (and > maybe not even with an audio-appropriate Windows solution). > Plus, in my case I paid less than the prices quoted above for > many of those bits since I've had them for years now, but for > someone starting from scratch, I think those figures are > accurate for both approaches. > > The laptop solution of course has the advantage of being able > to do a bunch of other things, even related to music, but I'm > not the sort of person who says "Great--now my lifetime dream > of twelve channels of diatonic pitch-shifting with > MIDI-synced panning and modulation is finally within my > reach!" I use two reverb patches over the course of an > evening with my current setup, even though I could do much > more without a lot of effort. It's an aesthetic choice. I > could ditch one of the EDP's without too much hassle, in > which case the cost drops another $850, and now the laptop > setup is looking even more expensive. > > But what works for me may not work for everyone. However, I > think it's illuminating to consider how much our perception > of what tools we need are determined by what tools are > available. How much loop time does one need and how much > just sounds like a good idea? > > TravisH > > > > > On 1/4/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > > I'm obviously a sw booster. And I have vested (albeit pathetically > > small) economic interests in boosting music sw. But still, I'm a sw > > booster for quite a few valid (for me, at any rate) > reasons. I'm not > > really interested in proving I'm right (ok, I'm lying, but I'm > > striving for that), but I do like to respond fully if I think there > > are new points to make. > > > > Anyway... > > > > Travis, good points. I have had to pay Cycling 74 more than > twice over > > the years for MAX/MSP upgrades as computer systems evolved > (but I've > > used it for a *long* time, and the PC version was *free* > once I'd paid > > for the Mac version). But the difference for me between > that and, say, > > a guitar controller with special features becoming obsolete > or a synth > > dying is that I *can* pay for an upgrade to the software. > Since I'm a > > software manufacturer, I don't mind paying other software > > manufacturers for updates at reasonable intervals and reasonable > > prices. Now, some manufacturers seem to be a bit > extortionist when it > > comes to their prices for updates (or frequency - but how can you > > complain about frequent updates?), and for those I usually > fall behind > > until the latest version presents a compelling value/price > > proposition. > > > > Upkeep costs are not limited to sw. When I got my first mono tape > > recorder as a teenager, I was shocked by my first repair > bill only a > > few years later. When the repair guy said, "expect to pay > 1/4 of the > > price of the machine every year for maintenance", I > staggered out of > > the store in shock, thinking "they didn't tell me that when > they sold > > me the machine." > > > > I think your best point about incompatibility relates to DAWs. They > > mostly use proprietary formats. But now that's largely addressed, > > isn't it, by the OMF format? > > > > Travis, you were unfortunate in your timing with the OS's - you > > adopted OS9 during its death throes. The transition from 16-bit > > pseudo-multitasking operating systems to 32-bit pre-emptive > > multitasking OSs was a huge one for both Microsoft and > Apple, and both > > companies learned how to create a "modern" OS in the > process (more or > > less). Both had to scrap compatibility in the process - the 16-bit > > systems weren't designed well-enough to survive. Windows 3.1 users > > moving to Windows 95 had similar problems. > > > > However, this won't happen in the switch to 64-bit. The > installed base > > of 32-bit software is a zillion times bigger than the > installed base > > of 16-bit software ever was. The stakes are huge. Plus, the big > > players in the music sw world have been around long enough that at > > least a few of them can be trusted to provide upgrade paths > (not for > > free, of course). Sonar already has a 64-bit version, and there's a > > bridge that lets 32-bit VSTs run under the 64-bit version > of Windows. > > > > To me, something doesn't become obsolescent if there's an upgrade > > path, even if it costs something (reasonable). I care about being > > *able* to perform all my pieces, even after my current computer or > > footcontroller breaks or is repurposed. > > > > Bottom line for me: I've had to discard or replace tens of > thousands > > of dollars of hardware, and at least temporarily retire quite a few > > pieces because of this. Hw doesn't become obsolete? It sure > hurts like > > it does... > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 15:13:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD883BFCC; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:14:17 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" In-reply-to: <00cc01c611d2$cb4d4140$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013801c6120a$b281c5e0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Darn... All these years I thought that was the most brilliant minimalist drumming I'd ever heard - especially the stops and restarts. Crap, another beautiful illusion dispelled. (In a Silent Way is *way* up there on my list of best ever records - I've gone through about 4 copies of it on LP and CD). It does bring up an interesting point about loop music, though. There are lots of pieces I do when I don't do anything complicated in the loop - just a bass ostinato, usually. It would be relatively easy to find a bass player who could play any of those parts live without a loop, but near-impossible to find one who *would*. And extra human variability and/or creativity in those parts is not always a good thing, for my purposes. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:34 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Re: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" > > > travis wrote: > "Really? I thought he just looped that first few minutes in > one big 2-track splice, so you hear the first few minutes > twice before the side develops for another fifteen-odd > minutes of all-live playing." > > > Not according to the liner notes of the new digital remix of > the record > (which sounds fantastic, by the way). > > ........ also, that rolling 16th note hi hat pattern > comes and goes > several different times > in the first song.............quite obviously a loop. I can also > distinctly hear different tabla parts coming in an out later on . > > r. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 15:25:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEB4C3BED5; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:25:59 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Guidance In Buying First Loop Machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Bill Campbell Message-id: <00e301c6120c$5db9c100$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cuuBZLWhHEgFL2dJaTvbbA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010520060135.10991.43BC77E9000E43F100002AEF22073007930B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:25:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_cuuBZLWhHEgFL2dJaTvbbA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Bill- You wrote: Do you find the looping time to be enough to fulfill your needs? Yes, more than enough. The only situation where I would imagine the need for more time would be a traditional song form, where someone might wish to create a verse in one loop and a chorus in another. Each part could be 30-40 seconds long. The DD20 is NOT the machine for this kind of looping. ...and... I'd like to be able to create a sonic wall of sound, so to speak. With that in mind, my second question is: how many loops can you create on top of each other? Infinite. The nature of your questions makes me wonder if you're grasping how the DD20 works. Think of it as a very long digital delay. Most delays function in the 300ms-2 second range. You begin playing, and a second later there it is again. And again a second later. And again a second later. And again a second later. If the delay is set to 100% feedback, the sounds will keep repeating at the same volume, theoretically forever. You can continue to play on top of these repeats, and the new sounds will lay atop the old. A good digital delay will duck and compress the audio as it layers so that it sounds "thicker" with the new sounds without sounding sludgy or distorting. The DD20 is very good at this. You could think of it as an infinite number of digital recorders, all recording and playing back forever. I envision it as the "cabin scene" in the Marx Brothers' "A Night at the Opera," a room filling with more and more people. Just remember that the DD20 has a delay of up to 23 seconds, so a lot of sound can go in before it starts to repeat. If the delay is set to less than 100% (say, 75%), then the effect is more like "traditional" echo. If the delay is very short, we associate the repeating (and decaying) sound with an acoustic space, like a big gymnasium or a canyon. But when the delay exceeds about 3 seconds, it functions more like a signpost in a landscape, slowly getting smaller and smaller. Or like our own memories of an event, slowly receeding with time. Remember, with the DD20, you can crank this up to 23 seconds, and continue to layer sounds upon sounds upon sounds, all gently receeding into the mists of passed time. There are limitations to the DD20, to be sure. You can't have one delay crankin' away at 14 seconds, a second delay at 12.8 seconds, and a third delay at 17.4 seconds, etc. etc. But you CAN have TWO different delays at one time by switching to a new patch. You can have one delay at 14 seconds and another at 12.8, for instance. Read through the review of the DD20 on the Loopers Delight web page again if this remains unclear. Also, if you listen to the excerpt from "The Long Dance," you'll hear dozens and dozens of guitars by the time you get 30 seconds into it. I did that with two DD-20s and a few short delays generated from my Boss GT-3, live. For the sake of that performance I layered two takes, but it is fundamentally the same as the sound I get live. I'm sure you won't mind if I post this on the Loopers Delight forum as well. New loopers are always appearing, and an occasional refresher course in what an old looper does is always useful. (Read that last sentence two ways: "looper" as looping device, and "looper" as looping person!) dB, coyote --Boundary_(ID_cuuBZLWhHEgFL2dJaTvbbA) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Bill-
    You wrote:
Do you find the looping time to be enough to fulfill your needs?
 
Yes, more than enough. The only situation where I would imagine the need for more time would be a traditional song form, where someone might wish to  create a verse in one loop and a chorus in another. Each part could be 30-40 seconds long. The DD20 is NOT the machine for this kind of looping.
 
...and...
 
I'd like to be able to create a sonic wall of sound, so to speak.  With that in mind, my second question is: how many loops can you create on top of each other?
 
Infinite.
The nature of your questions makes me wonder if you're grasping how the DD20 works. Think of it as a very long digital delay. Most delays function in the 300ms-2 second range. You begin playing, and a second later there it is again.
And again a second later.
And again a second later.
And again a second later.
 
If the delay is set to 100% feedback, the sounds will keep repeating at the same volume, theoretically forever. You can continue to play on top of these repeats, and the new sounds will lay atop the old. A good digital delay will duck and compress the audio as it layers so that it sounds "thicker" with the new sounds without sounding sludgy or distorting. The DD20 is very good at this. You could think of it as an infinite number of digital recorders, all recording and playing back forever. I envision it as the "cabin scene" in the Marx Brothers' "A Night at the Opera," a room filling with more and more people. Just remember that the DD20 has a delay of up to 23 seconds, so a lot of sound can go in before it starts to repeat.
 
 If the delay is set to less than 100% (say, 75%), then the effect is more like "traditional" echo. If the delay is very short, we associate the repeating (and decaying) sound with an acoustic space, like a big gymnasium or a canyon. But when the delay exceeds about 3 seconds, it functions more like a signpost in a landscape, slowly getting smaller and smaller. Or like our own memories of an event, slowly receeding with time. Remember, with the DD20, you can crank this up to 23 seconds, and continue to layer sounds upon sounds upon sounds, all gently receeding into the mists of passed time.
 
There are limitations to the DD20, to be sure. You can't have one delay crankin' away at 14 seconds, a second delay at 12.8 seconds, and a third delay at 17.4 seconds, etc. etc. But you CAN have TWO different delays at one time by switching to a new patch. You can have one delay at 14 seconds and another at 12.8, for instance. Read through the review of the DD20 on the Loopers Delight web page again if this remains unclear. Also, if you listen to the excerpt from "The Long Dance," you'll hear dozens and dozens of guitars by the time you get 30 seconds into it. I did that with two DD-20s and a few short delays generated from my Boss GT-3, live. For the sake of that performance I layered two takes, but it is fundamentally the same as the sound I get live. 
 
I'm sure you won't mind if I post this on the Loopers Delight forum as well. New loopers are always appearing, and an occasional refresher course in what an old looper does is always useful. (Read that last sentence two ways: "looper" as looping device, and "looper" as looping person!)
dB, coyote
--Boundary_(ID_cuuBZLWhHEgFL2dJaTvbbA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 17:46:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457B83BFFD; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c6121f$ea9139b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:46:09 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:46:25 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Thursday, 05 January, 2006 13:56 PM Subject: RE: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided > Hi Travis, > > I see how the math adds up. Interesting. It is true that computers, like > almost all electronic devices (vintage gear excepted) seem to depreciate > in > the real world at about 50%/year, and that software pretty much > depreciates > 100% the day you "drive it out of the showroom". The latter is mostly > because of the whole software protection/piracy mess which makes it nearly > impossible to establish or transfer ownership in a trustworthy manner. Sad > but true. > > OTOH, I don't know too many people who paid $2700 for their laptops - my > Powerbook G4 is not state of the art, but together with 1GB of RAM it was > about $1800, and while it's not as fast as main desktop pc, it is fast > enough for now (until I start loading up with plugins, I guess). You can > probably get a pretty fast Wintel laptop with a couple of gigs new for > $1500 > (just a guess). Actually Dell sells an Inspiron model with 1.8GHz, 1GB memory and an 80GB hard drive, including bluetooth/wireless/lan and a 15" screen - and it went for $1200 with XP Pro and a full Office 2003 setup, firewall sw, a/v, the lot. We got it as a Christmas prezzie for my nephew who's starting at Ole Miss next year under a Baseball scholarship (so yes there was a discount on the basis of academic use for the software). This guy pitches left hand, too. The model we got (B130) is the minimum spec for the college to hook up to their network, thus the higher cost. We found that if we hadn't had to be at 1.8GHz - the next lower option was a 1.5, which really isn't that much of a difference anymore - the whole thing would have cost under $800. The Powerbooks can't compete on the cost factor, and never did. > And - this point was made before, mostly - to be really nitpicky about it, > the right way to calculate the cost of the computer is to calculate how > much > *extra* you had to pay to make the computer music-ready above and beyond > what you were going to pay for an email/word processing/web/(and possibly > work) computer anyway (which I assume is a necessity of life for anyone on > this list). For me, that amount was $30 for the firewire card on my latest > computer, and probably another $100 for extra hard disk space for audio > files, since I need a fast machine for work anyway. The audio interface > was > pricey, but I paid for that with the last computer and just transferred it > to the new one. I find the net worth calculations that use the used-car-lot to be sort of accurate - but they don't really apply to the real world. If your car works fine and you like it, and people you drive around in it like it, then its value suddenly attains a non-monetary plus that can't really be figured on an accounting level (except as some weird form of "good will"). Here's an example of what I mean: If you buy an $800 laptop new, and it works fine, who cares if it's street value went down 50% the moment you hit the shrink wrap? If the laptop helps you do a show your own value of the thing is more important. Whatever you make on the show adds to the value of the laptop as well. In a PC firewire cards only cost $4.50 now, and a casual look at CDW (a high price in comparison with other vendors) has a Western Digital 7200RPM 120GB drive for under $90 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=361857. Stay away from Maxtor and IBM's "deathstar" drives - they overheat and have a poor QA. Maxtor was just purchased by Seagate (which perhaps means that China will no longer be making the drives), but Western Digital has the top hat on this one. I've only had three WD drives fail on me before four years was up, in 20 years of installing and using them. As far as large audio files are concerned I only keep the stuff I'm using or working on, on the hard drive. Otherwise it's archived in double on CDs (and soon DVDs, as they store nearly several gigs, in comparison with a mere 680MB sported by the CD). If you think along the lines of "but I'm using ALL of it!" then invest in an external drive. Iomega makes what I imagine is a RAID-based box that allows up to 1 Terabyte of storage. HTH Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:50 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is >> misguided >> >> >> Oh, I've been on the downside of a number of platforms. Ask >> me about the Tascam multi-track minidisk recorder. Or, >> don't. My rule of thumb was if I got one album out of a >> system, it paid for itself, so I wasn't hit that bad, but >> music can be an expensive day at the races. >> I don't really mind paying for software/hardware upgrades, >> but I don't want to pretend that computers are cost-free >> tools, or even necessarily cheaper if it isn't so. >> >> What's funny is how we perceive various "ownership" costs. >> If you're an active guitarist, you may got through a hundred >> dollars of strings, picks, etc. over the course of a year. >> Every few years you may need some fretwork for another couple >> hundred dollars. Tubes, caps and speakers need replacement >> in amps and so on, but these are viewed as "consumables", >> even though the amount of money laid out is about the same as >> keeping your DAW software up to date. >> >> With computer-based tools, you've got the problems of >> depreciation and obsolesence of both hardware and software. >> I think Mr. Frasca is correct in that if you buy a $3K >> PowerBook today, it's worth only a fraction after a few >> years. I wasn't able to include the entire article detailing >> his PowerBook based setup, but it's basically a 17" Powerbook >> with a custom breakout box (he's individual output channels >> from his guitar for each of ten strings, plus a mic feed) >> going into a MOTU interface, into the PowerBook running >> Logic. He's then got a bunch of plug-ins for the usual EQ, >> compression, reverb, chorus and pitchshifting, all of which >> can and frequently are reconfigured for each piece, and then >> everything goes out to the PA in stereo. At home he does some 5.1. >> >> Logic is probably going to be around for at least the next >> three years, probably longer, and none of the plugins he's >> using sound terribly idiosyncratic, so I would guess he'll be >> able to duplicate his current functionality for quite some >> time. Of course, in a year or so he'll hear about about some >> amazing new reverb that requires a newer version of Logic, >> which will require a paid update of the OS, and then the >> PowerBook will start to feel a litle pokey, and someone will >> have a vastly improved firewire audio interface, and the new >> setup sounds really great in 128-bit sampling, and so keeping >> his system up-to-date will cost another $5K. He'll be able >> to get some money back on the old hardware, but old software >> isn't worth beans. >> On the other hand, he'll have saved a ton of money in air >> freight by not having to schlep around a twelve channel mixer >> and a rack of processors, the sum total of which would >> doubtless cost more than the PowerBook set up, but will hold >> their resale value better for the seemingly inevitable >> updates--new reverbs, better mixer, etc, and he can probably >> write the whole thing off as a business expense. >> >> On the other hand, for the serious, yet non-professional >> musician, air-freight savings probably don't factor in too >> much. It's interesting to compare how much a >> non-computer-based setup costs versus the alternative, for a >> real-world setup. Let's say I tried to switch over. >> Currently my signal path is: >> >> Guitar >> A/B box ($200) >> Tuner ($100) >> Yamaha acoustic guitar preamp (includes EQ, feedback control, >> reverb, compression, etc) ($300) Rane SM26 mixer/splitter >> ($125) 2 Echoplexes ($1600) Echoplex foot controller ($125) >> A/B box for sharing controller between EDP's ($50) Volume >> Pedal ($50) DI boxes ($125) >> >> Which totals about $2700, assuming new prices. That's >> leaving out cable and rack costs, and amplification, since >> that'll be roughly the same in the new setup. If I use a >> PowerBook ($3K with max ram, etc), Logic ($500), some two >> channel audio interface ($200), SooperLooper (doesn't do >> everything, but reasonably close for now--plus it's free!), a >> Behringer FCB ($150) then I'm looking about another grand >> over the old setup. The old one is heavy, but retains much >> more resale value. Maybe I can get by with a cheaper laptop >> and VST host, but I'd imagine it's difficult to shave off >> much more than a grand while staying in the Mac platform (and >> maybe not even with an audio-appropriate Windows solution). >> Plus, in my case I paid less than the prices quoted above for >> many of those bits since I've had them for years now, but for >> someone starting from scratch, I think those figures are >> accurate for both approaches. >> >> The laptop solution of course has the advantage of being able >> to do a bunch of other things, even related to music, but I'm >> not the sort of person who says "Great--now my lifetime dream >> of twelve channels of diatonic pitch-shifting with >> MIDI-synced panning and modulation is finally within my >> reach!" I use two reverb patches over the course of an >> evening with my current setup, even though I could do much >> more without a lot of effort. It's an aesthetic choice. I >> could ditch one of the EDP's without too much hassle, in >> which case the cost drops another $850, and now the laptop >> setup is looking even more expensive. >> >> But what works for me may not work for everyone. However, I >> think it's illuminating to consider how much our perception >> of what tools we need are determined by what tools are >> available. How much loop time does one need and how much >> just sounds like a good idea? >> >> TravisH >> >> >> >> >> On 1/4/06, Warren Sirota wrote: >> >> > >> > I'm obviously a sw booster. And I have vested (albeit pathetically >> > small) economic interests in boosting music sw. But still, I'm a sw >> > booster for quite a few valid (for me, at any rate) >> reasons. I'm not >> > really interested in proving I'm right (ok, I'm lying, but I'm >> > striving for that), but I do like to respond fully if I think there >> > are new points to make. >> > >> > Anyway... >> > >> > Travis, good points. I have had to pay Cycling 74 more than >> twice over >> > the years for MAX/MSP upgrades as computer systems evolved >> (but I've >> > used it for a *long* time, and the PC version was *free* >> once I'd paid >> > for the Mac version). But the difference for me between >> that and, say, >> > a guitar controller with special features becoming obsolete >> or a synth >> > dying is that I *can* pay for an upgrade to the software. >> Since I'm a >> > software manufacturer, I don't mind paying other software >> > manufacturers for updates at reasonable intervals and reasonable >> > prices. Now, some manufacturers seem to be a bit >> extortionist when it >> > comes to their prices for updates (or frequency - but how can you >> > complain about frequent updates?), and for those I usually >> fall behind >> > until the latest version presents a compelling value/price >> > proposition. >> > >> > Upkeep costs are not limited to sw. When I got my first mono tape >> > recorder as a teenager, I was shocked by my first repair >> bill only a >> > few years later. When the repair guy said, "expect to pay >> 1/4 of the >> > price of the machine every year for maintenance", I >> staggered out of >> > the store in shock, thinking "they didn't tell me that when >> they sold >> > me the machine." >> > >> > I think your best point about incompatibility relates to DAWs. They >> > mostly use proprietary formats. But now that's largely addressed, >> > isn't it, by the OMF format? >> > >> > Travis, you were unfortunate in your timing with the OS's - you >> > adopted OS9 during its death throes. The transition from 16-bit >> > pseudo-multitasking operating systems to 32-bit pre-emptive >> > multitasking OSs was a huge one for both Microsoft and >> Apple, and both >> > companies learned how to create a "modern" OS in the >> process (more or >> > less). Both had to scrap compatibility in the process - the 16-bit >> > systems weren't designed well-enough to survive. Windows 3.1 users >> > moving to Windows 95 had similar problems. >> > >> > However, this won't happen in the switch to 64-bit. The >> installed base >> > of 32-bit software is a zillion times bigger than the >> installed base >> > of 16-bit software ever was. The stakes are huge. Plus, the big >> > players in the music sw world have been around long enough that at >> > least a few of them can be trusted to provide upgrade paths >> (not for >> > free, of course). Sonar already has a 64-bit version, and there's a >> > bridge that lets 32-bit VSTs run under the 64-bit version >> of Windows. >> > >> > To me, something doesn't become obsolescent if there's an upgrade >> > path, even if it costs something (reasonable). I care about being >> > *able* to perform all my pieces, even after my current computer or >> > footcontroller breaks or is repurposed. >> > >> > Bottom line for me: I've had to discard or replace tens of >> thousands >> > of dollars of hardware, and at least temporarily retire quite a few >> > pieces because of this. Hw doesn't become obsolete? It sure >> hurts like >> > it does... >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > Warren Sirota >> > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 17:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0323C018; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1136483802!43612346!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8C59@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital Music" Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:56:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61221.605EBCC0" Resent-Message-ID: <1-5uk.A.OPD.e3VvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:56:47 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61221.605EBCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> [snip] just a bass ostinato, usually. It would be relatively easy to find a bass player who could play any of those parts live without a loop, but near impossible to find one who *would*. And extra human variability and/or creativity in those parts is not always a good thing, for my purposes.<< something I've considered on many occasions, this, as a bassist in a band that uses analogue sequencing & real drums. me & the drummer were brought up on can & pil & bill laswell (new york gong, anyone?), & I often wondered what it was that kept the rhythm sections playing the same thing over & over (or rather, where it was that they went to in their heads whilst doing it). I've tried playing the same thing over & over on the bass, & I just don't have the discipline. I can hear it in my head alright, but my hands want to be john entwhistle or geddy lee instead. nearest I came, ironically, was when we were the pickup band for damo suzuki, whose "network" gigs tend to attract musicians who end up playing a bit like can. not all the time, mind, but it happens a lot. about half of our set was can-like, while the rest was utter chaos. I have a recording of solaris doing a set for the bbc; mr wobble plays the same bassline for 20 minutes. I mean, I'd go mad. couldn't do it. d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61221.605EBCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: First Drum Loop in the book "The Art of Digital = Music"

>> [snip] just a bass ostinato, usually. It = would be relatively easy to find a bass player who could play any of = those parts live without a loop, but near impossible to find one who = *would*. And extra human variability and/or creativity in those parts = is not always a good thing, for my purposes.<<

something I've considered on many occasions, this, as = a bassist in a band that uses analogue sequencing & real drums. =

me & the drummer were brought up on can & pil = & bill laswell (new york gong, anyone?), & I often wondered = what it was that kept the rhythm sections playing the same thing over = & over (or rather, where it was that they went to in their heads = whilst doing it).

I've tried playing the same thing over & over on = the bass, & I just don't have the discipline. I can hear it in my = head alright, but my hands want to be john entwhistle or geddy lee = instead.

nearest I came, ironically, was when we were the = pickup band for damo suzuki, whose "network" gigs tend to = attract musicians who end up playing a bit like can. not all the time, = mind, but it happens a lot. about half of our set was can-like, while = the rest was utter chaos.

 
I have a recording of solaris doing a set for the = bbc; mr wobble plays the same bassline for 20 minutes. I mean, I'd go = mad. couldn't do it.

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61221.605EBCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 19:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 540E93C006; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZdJDYlQrEEsG96dGD2GLBBdWttqQau3Yy4zXor06a0xuv/gimrNEGUqburU+IWf39mQgLr7Ezj+UeQEAOrKM3wu1fGDCDWS3ijRWxsG2PrBLtWLs2HuGKZwNhO9AVpjCtcp1l2OGEixx9tHrum9GfvjB5PjfUP85eFq/awDTdAE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601051113t4063cd8au11369a9912e13e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:13:33 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <135601c611c3$18e67850$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Interstate just called me and canceled the order telling me it was a price mistake. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to waste your time. On 1/4/06, Craig Mitchell wrote: > > The sales guy at Interstate called me back and said that the correct pric= e > was approx $49 > > I think he said they had one in stock. I could be wrong about that. Anywa= y, > double check your orders. Hope this saves someone some frustsration. > > Who knows, maybe they wil honor the price for some people? > > Craig > > > on 1/5/06 1:41 AM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > > > This is more like it: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CyberFCBag= / > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:08 PM > > Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > > > > > >> Well, that would have lead to a Monty Python moment, when the package > >> arrived... :-) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Craig Mitchell" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part number > > they > >>> have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. > >>> > >>> NOT THE GIG BAG > >>> > >>> The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part number/price on th= e > >>> website. > >>> > >>> They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 price and he i= s > >>> supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double check your > > orders > >> if > >>> you have made any. > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal EXACTLY. > >>>> > >>>> Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > >>>> > >>>>> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip out > >>>>> the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. Otherwise > >>>>> you'd have to take out the molded foam. > >>>> > >>>> Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) > >>>> > >>>> Greetings from Sweden > >>>> > >>>> Per Boysen > >>>> www.looproom.com (international) > >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >>>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > >>>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 19:19:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91B003C006; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VPbTky+ZS5RoB/ofqxUtHWeFKwftHtiACSv9fu/ws5o/1n+rXpPm7Gi/+3jiaBcYlB7MQReEMLPJNWoHA/mjDxwC9PZ2H8usyPZYO2mMI/kSJJ6g5P7+35uHhpVrMq/ICvPgf/zOr6kK4ULs8ez/vp1KBM4GH33QZytGy7bI9P8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:19:18 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, trying to figure the actual cost of a computer system for music can be tricky. My example of $3K for the PowerBook was based on the price of a 17" display model with the RAM maxed out. The base price for that model on the Apple Store right now is $2500, and once you put in the RAM and pay tax, you're not getting much change back from three large. Maybe one can get by with a smaller screen and slower processor, it really depends on how you're going to use it. I've grown used to the 17" display on my flat panel iMac which I use for ProTools, and whenever I have to go back to a smaller screen, it feels cramped, but of course it can be done. For my specific use, I'd also need something that's fast enough to handle both the looping and my tone-shaping, since I was trying to get rid of all that bulk and up my flexibility at the same time. I was figuring that I needed a lot of horsepower to keep my latency down while running a four-band eq, compression, reverb and whatever else, while keeping several instances of SooperLooper running glitch-free.=20 I don't know what the minimum hardware is for that, but I'm sure that what I don't want to do is by the minimum necessary and then be stuck when a new version of my software looper comes out. If anyone out there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. And while, yes, you can use a computer for a bunch of non-music things, I can't assume in a cost comparison that the computer is already owned. On the non-computer side, I already own several mixers, processors, racks, MIDI controllers, etc, so for me personally the "cost" of a gig-ready Repeater based system would be... the cost of a Repeater. Not all musicians have a storage room full of useful musical crap they've accumulated over twenty years of playing, so it seems fair to list everything and let people figure out for themselves what they don't need to buy. Also, I'm not comfortable with taking my "home" computer, with all my personal email, financial records, family photos, etc out on a gig, so I'm not going to get much non-musical utility out of it. Regardless of whether or not one is comfortable doing that, you'll still have to pay the same amount of money to get the hardware for looping. If you've already got a laptop that meets the necessary specs, then it's a different picture, but it seems to me that's akin to assuming that one already owns a preamp, etc. Someone else has already answered regarding the lower cost of a Windows laptop, which isn't surprising, but I'd want to be sure that this is a proven-workable configuration for the audio tasks at hand.=20 The huge variety of Windows machines versus the half-dozen Apple options makes it a little more complicated. And then you get the camp that advocates using ultra-rare "non-consumer" laptops which didn't seem to be much cheaper than a PowerBook. I don't have much experience with Windows laptops except that recently it seems that all my friends who bought iPods on my recommendation end up frustrated because they don't have firewire connections on their laptops (which was really surprising to me, since it'd been standard on Apple hardware for years), and sometimes don't have USB 2.0.... Again, it'd be great to hear from people with working systems that they regularly use on gigs and see what their specs are. TravisH On 1/5/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi Travis, > > I see how the math adds up. Interesting. It is true that computers, like > almost all electronic devices (vintage gear excepted) seem to depreciate = in > the real world at about 50%/year, and that software pretty much depreciat= es > 100% the day you "drive it out of the showroom". The latter is mostly > because of the whole software protection/piracy mess which makes it nearl= y > impossible to establish or transfer ownership in a trustworthy manner. Sa= d > but true. > > OTOH, I don't know too many people who paid $2700 for their laptops - my > Powerbook G4 is not state of the art, but together with 1GB of RAM it was > about $1800, and while it's not as fast as main desktop pc, it is fast > enough for now (until I start loading up with plugins, I guess). You can > probably get a pretty fast Wintel laptop with a couple of gigs new for $1= 500 > (just a guess). > > And - this point was made before, mostly - to be really nitpicky about it= , > the right way to calculate the cost of the computer is to calculate how m= uch > *extra* you had to pay to make the computer music-ready above and beyond > what you were going to pay for an email/word processing/web/(and possibly > work) computer anyway (which I assume is a necessity of life for anyone o= n > this list). For me, that amount was $30 for the firewire card on my lates= t > computer, and probably another $100 for extra hard disk space for audio > files, since I need a fast machine for work anyway. The audio interface w= as > pricey, but I paid for that with the last computer and just transferred i= t > to the new one. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 19:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CCC23C019; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=XUBiDMu78+9NNf7jJR8CnJr9qp6tSE3uaXpTbeStK16jD0v/GIdvh4M+YG2H/fKyT2WJA+lhdEtKLeKb8hMTKnEBiShLzTfWN3fmNKmeCtGcqQ61mfTw7JyLMJXSVApracT7XWUr6YVciodf6OZxuVO5SHnH5yMfCKYYuBno90c= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601051127s358b01b1s19c52e354efd8faf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:27:44 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tabla machines with MIDI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:27:48 +0000 (UTC) I know we discussed electronic tabla machines a while back, but I wondered if anyone could answer an additional question. I'm familar with the standard models, like the Riyaz Master and the Taal Tarang, but neither of these has any form of MIDI. I discover that there's a new model, called the Taalmala Digi-100 which *does* have MIDI. However Google as I might, I can't find anything out about its MIDI implementation, and if it sends and/or receives MIDI clock. I've emailed the manufacturers, and await a response, but in the meantime I thought I'd ask here to see if anyone had more information. D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 19:43:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8654D3C021; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 5 Jan 2006 19:43:37 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:43:37 -0500 Subject: OT: FS: Keeley Electronics Compressor X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060105194337.AAE2FE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey there all- I was gonna put this on Ebay, but thought I'd throw it out here first. I've got a brand new, still under warranty, Keeley Electronics Compressor p= edal. It's been used about 2 hours. I just got it as a gift, and I need t= o=20 raise money to produce a new album, so I'm thinning the pedal herd. This i= s a fantastic, award-winning, poll-topping, compressor pedal. Very=20 quiet. I'd love to keep it, but, well...something's gotta go. Gotta buy s= ome studio time. Most of you probably know about Keeley and this pedal, but for those who do= n't, here's a link. http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=3D8 Anyway, new from Keeley, pedal goes for $219. I'd like to get $194, saving= you $25. Will ship for free in continental US. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 19:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6C13C02A; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:49:29 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mitigator for sale In-reply-to: <20060105024747.IHAL17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43BD7849.2030501@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20060105024747.IHAL17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Gary Lehmann wrote: > Yes, the PMC does all that--and my mistake on the momentary function then, > 'cause the PMC has that ability but I thought the RFC did not. > The PMC has 500 patch slots, 9 patches per bank, and 5 sets, so it has more > stuff than the RFC--and some other functions, something called enhanced mode > where it goes back to a previous patch, and an A and B string for each > patch--hey, the Mitigator doesn't have that, how can it have momentary? The RFC has an option called "Keyboard Mode" which can be independently enabled for each of the 640 "command strings". When enabled, if the command string contains any Note On messages, the corresponding Note Off messages will be sent when the switch is released. The main drawback for me is that it has only 5 buttons. You can use a pair of Inc/Dec buttons to scroll through different assignments, but only 5 are instantly available at a time. The buttons can send anything when pressed, but can only send note off's when released. It is about 2 inches narrower than an FCB1010 and about the same height and depth. It weighs less. I also have one in near mint condition I would consider selling, contact me off list if you're interested. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:03:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45E843C024; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vm66PAdXK+HFXhrV4g0OicVOh/AEZTMDdLkfY0rCYo2JuJmqrY+hFKnPTcS9mrF+j7lVPhavnn5Fg37QrRuPBBuE8KlXsHx4XRXtyiP3Jm6ocySaKVhM2Y8j4jhCY2aVm43RM0S1CGXSNVL6u72cn/S+VufVGLuXtY2dVPI+QeU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601051203p45b7349fxece4cf5945838a8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:03:23 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tabla machines with MIDI In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601051127s358b01b1s19c52e354efd8faf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601051127s358b01b1s19c52e354efd8faf@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, I love tablas. This isn't a direct answer to your question, but you may find it works for you. I was able to make a midi controlled tabla drum machine using my computer. I'm using windows, but I believe the software is available in mac versions as well. All the software was free. You can download a nice set of free tabla samples from: http://www.waveform.dk/showcat.php?cat=3Ddrums&catID=3D1&offset=3D0 A ways down the page is tabla.rar. (provided by: =09alain vogt =09upload date: =092001.09.10) There are thirty different strokes in the set of samples. Download that and extract it. (ExtractNow is a nice piece of free windows software that will do the extraction) Loopazoid is a free VST drum machine that will load the tabla samples. http://www.loopazoid.com/ It was later developed into the commercial product "Battery" by Native Instruments. You can load the samples into Loopazoid, and then play them via Midi in any VST compatible software (I use EnergyXT). Let me know, I'd be happy to send you (or anyone else) the Loopazoid patch I wrote for the samples. It's written so the left and right hand strokes are "mute groups", and cut off any previous strokes from that hand. There was also a "Tablatronic" version of Rebirth floating around a few years back. I think you can get Rebirth for free now, though it can be a little fussy with sync. On 1/5/06, David Morton wrote: > I know we discussed electronic tabla machines a while back, but I > wondered if anyone could answer an additional question. > > I'm familar with the standard models, like the Riyaz Master and the > Taal Tarang, but neither of these has any form of MIDI. > > I discover that there's a new model, called the Taalmala Digi-100 > which *does* have MIDI. However Google as I might, I can't find > anything out about its MIDI implementation, and if it sends and/or > receives MIDI clock. > > I've emailed the manufacturers, and await a response, but in the > meantime I thought I'd ask here to see if anyone had more information. > > D > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0601A3C037; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <16487483-E4BF-425C-8D5D-2084B6BF4C22@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:09:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:09:32 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 20.19, Travis Hartnett wrote: > If anyone out > there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. I have tried that but given it up. Now I only do the looping on =20 laptops and process my instrument sound with an additional preamp and =20= effect processor before the audio hits the lappy input. It sounds =20 better, it gives a larger sound pallet to work with and finally; it =20 doesn't bog down the computer too much. I also enjoy to record my =20 fully processed sound into loops, as opposed to dong the looping =20 first and adding effect plug-ins to the loops. The closest I ever was to a working "laptop only" looping setup was =20 when using an electric guitar with a green Tube Screamer fed directly =20= into the soundcard. Suitable input level and great sound - but no =20 other sound than that "great green sound" ;-) Then, on a blow-out =20 sale I was lucky to pick up a TC Electronix Fireworx very cheap and =20 it totally rocks (after reprogramming the patches). I also borrowed =20 an Eventide Eclipse for a while, to test it, but did not like the =20 sound as much. I also play flute and sax, so different mics is also =20 an issue (not going into that here). Anyway, "all signal processing and looping on a laptop" is =20 complicated and what I'm trying to say is that you may be rewarded =20 for keeping it simple - which is getting a box that sounds good (Pod =20 Pro, Vetta etc if you use guitar) and feed the Laptop looping =20 software with the best signal and tone. Also see to keep the pre-amp =20 MIDI clock synced from the looping software, so whatever beat synced =20 effects you play will be in sync with the loops. This opens up for =20 very free and open playing where you can dare to let loops fade out =20 and add some space, depth and horizon to the music. It is also a good =20= way of fighting latency related problems. If you're shopping for a Powerbook, try to hold on to the new line =20 with Pentium processors. The recent Powerbooks are rather limited =20 regarding CPU power (IMHO). Also watch out for those inexpensive pc =20 lappies. Quite often the truth is that you "don't get what you don't =20 pay for". Take Dell for an example, they use to put new and untested =20 components into the Inspiron product line to see how it is working. =20 If the components do fine they will be used in the more expensive =20 models, but if the components don't do very well - just bad luck for =20 you if you happened to buy such an "inexpensive" machine during that =20 particular testing period. When comparing prices Mac/PC I have found =20 that it's almost the same cost, if you want to stay clear from risk =20 taking. Mac or PC is also a software question. For me that is important =20 because I do a lot of work in Logic and love to loop in Augustus =20 Loop, both OS X only apps. On the other hand, the mighty M=F6bius is XP =20= only and can't be run on a Mac. So it's also up to what you want to =20 do musically. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:23:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390613C037; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9269926D-84E4-4C0A-B4EF-2DCA67370BDD@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:23:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Everybody, Speaking about computers: I'm currently setting up a live-looping environment in Ableton Live and realizing that I may be running into problems because I can't see what's going on with all my parameters. So now I'm looking for a software utility that will let me fabricate small buttons that show the state of different parametes. Like for example, I'm sending MIDI Note Number 9 to freeze a loop. Next time I send the same note the loop is unfreezed and new audio input can be layered into the spin. When working four such loops at the same time it becomes hard to keep track of which loops are open and which are freezed at a certain moment. So I need some sort of graphical indicator (simply shifting from green to red on the passing of a defined MIDI event). I know you can make such things in MAX, but I think it's a bit overkill to buy max only for a little graphical monitoring. Any tips? Using both OS X and Windows XP and I might need this kind of utility on both systems. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:29:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D03823C02E; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D1kamQbms+YLyfDIkFdmmtnsGyv2jJC9J+BJFG2FacEebMSO+F81cmgkPxG+zAutBFzIy4QMTFYqWJS+F88Vn16LKx+pvW7mN1JwP2TeOZJL+kUNvtmsKDwAKDP1m5WTYif4nl/HXiplClJBgRTHUfBLD6O3BUZ8BlRFDr6pCeU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601051228h533956d0ufe7939cd0be16e87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:28:57 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tabla machines with MIDI In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601051203p45b7349fxece4cf5945838a8c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601051127s358b01b1s19c52e354efd8faf@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0601051203p45b7349fxece4cf5945838a8c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:29:00 +0000 (UTC) In re-reading my post I notice it sounds condescending. Sorry, I'm at work as I write. I teach computer programming at high school, so I write a lot of stuff like "Step one: do this" Sorry, On 1/5/06, Art Simon wrote: > Hi David, > > I love tablas. This isn't a direct answer to your question, but you > may find it works for you. I was able to make a midi controlled tabla > drum machine using my computer. I'm using windows, but I believe the > software is available in mac versions as well. All the software was > free. > > You can download a nice set of free tabla samples from: > http://www.waveform.dk/showcat.php?cat=3Ddrums&catID=3D1&offset=3D0 > A ways down the page is tabla.rar. > (provided by: alain vogt upload date: 2001.09.10) > There are thirty different strokes in the set of samples. > > Download that and extract it. (ExtractNow is a nice piece of free > windows software that will do the extraction) > > Loopazoid is a free VST drum machine that will load the tabla samples. > http://www.loopazoid.com/ > It was later developed into the commercial product "Battery" by Native > Instruments. > > You can load the samples into Loopazoid, and then play them via Midi > in any VST compatible software (I use EnergyXT). Let me know, I'd be > happy to send you (or anyone else) the Loopazoid patch I wrote for the > samples. It's written so the left and right hand strokes are "mute > groups", and cut off any previous strokes from that hand. > > There was also a "Tablatronic" version of Rebirth floating around a > few years back. I think you can get Rebirth for free now, though it > can be a little fussy with sync. > > On 1/5/06, David Morton wrote: > > I know we discussed electronic tabla machines a while back, but I > > wondered if anyone could answer an additional question. > > > > I'm familar with the standard models, like the Riyaz Master and the > > Taal Tarang, but neither of these has any form of MIDI. > > > > I discover that there's a new model, called the Taalmala Digi-100 > > which *does* have MIDI. However Google as I might, I can't find > > anything out about its MIDI implementation, and if it sends and/or > > receives MIDI clock. > > > > I've emailed the manufacturers, and await a response, but in the > > meantime I thought I'd ask here to see if anyone had more information. > > > > D > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:42:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96523C03D; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:42:16 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <9269926D-84E4-4C0A-B4EF-2DCA67370BDD@boysen.se> thread-index: AcYSNemyd970sI5rRDaOxyATbQPstQAAg/uQ Resent-Message-ID: <51YOt.A.gIE.uSYvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:42:22 +0000 (UTC) It's possible to do something like this in SynthEdit. The registration = for this shareware product (which will run unregistered for one year) is = $50. This thing allows you to create VST plugins which can run standalone. Downside: only Windows. The problem here might be that (given my understanding of Live) if you assign a MIDI controller (CC or note) to a specific controller duty = within Live (i.e. not within the specific plugin you are using), then this MIDI message doesn't get passed to any devices (like VST plugins) you are = running within live. Wokraround: use a (sw) MIDI patchbay. Rainer=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2006 21:24 > An: Loopers > Betreff: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software >=20 > Hi Everybody, >=20 > Speaking about computers: > I'm currently setting up a live-looping environment in=20 > Ableton Live and realizing that I may be running into=20 > problems because I can't see what's going on with all my=20 > parameters. So now I'm looking for a software utility that=20 > will let me fabricate small buttons that show the state of=20 > different parametes. Like for example, I'm sending MIDI Note=20 > Number 9 to freeze a loop. Next time I send the same note the=20 > loop is unfreezed and new audio input can be layered into the spin. =20 > When working four such loops at the same time it becomes hard=20 > to keep track of which loops are open and which are freezed=20 > at a certain moment. So I need some sort of graphical=20 > indicator (simply shifting from green to red on the passing=20 > of a defined MIDI event). I know you can make such things in=20 > MAX, but I think it's a bit overkill to buy max only for a=20 > little graphical monitoring. Any tips? >=20 > Using both OS X and Windows XP and I might need this kind of=20 > utility on both systems. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46D5D3C040; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <177F181F-881C-4150-A054-943F0558E084@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:51:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:51:47 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 21.42, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > It's possible to do something like this in SynthEdit. Excellent! I'll check it out ASAP. > Downside: only Windows. Ok. I'll ditch my Macs then. They are just too ugly anyway. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 20:54:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB6793C046; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:54:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 21.42, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote >> Downside: only Windows. > On 5 jan 2006, at 21.43, Stoopid Me wrote > Ok. I'll ditch my Macs then. They were just too ugly anyway. The above comment was just a joke. Couldn't resist.... ;-) per (love my mac) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 21:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66413C03B; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c6123c$543e3ae0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "Art Simon" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <588ce11d0601051113t4063cd8au11369a9912e13e9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:09:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Art wrote: "Interstate just called me and canceled the order telling me it was a price mistake. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to waste your time." You know, I saw this and ordered one immediately. They charged my credit card and I have a reciept. Technically, since they charged me already they are legally obligated to do the deal as advertised. I'm not a prick so I won't push it, but they certainly should be more careful. If I were one, I would have them over a barrel, legally speaking. and, darn, I wish it were true................not having a case for the FCB 1010 is a pain in the arse. Rick ps wow, I just reread this and realize that I have three sodomy references in as many paragraphs.............please forgive...........lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 21:21:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2DE3C033; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:21:49 -0500 From: chrisrover@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7E0552CE0FAF8-FF0-B73@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: RC-50 Availability in Europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.2 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:21:59 +0000 (UTC) A happy new year to all ! I frequently read and seldomly post but I thought you might want to know that the RC-50 will most likely be in german stores (such as Thomann) by March/April (around the Frankfurt Fair) as a reliable source has told me. I helped in providing Roland with ideas for the RC-50 (codeword: "Superlooper") and am curious myself to see what has come out of it :-) Greetings Christian Rover www.christianrover.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 21:36:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBB2D3C03D; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:37:54 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! In-reply-to: <588ce11d0601051113t4063cd8au11369a9912e13e9@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015001c61240$49bc6c50$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it was a waste of time, but it was exciting while it lasted! Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:14 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! PLEASE READ! > > > Interstate just called me and canceled the order telling me > it was a price mistake. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to waste your time. > > On 1/4/06, Craig Mitchell wrote: > > > > The sales guy at Interstate called me back and said that > the correct > > price was approx $49 > > > > I think he said they had one in stock. I could be wrong about that. > > Anyway, double check your orders. Hope this saves someone some > > frustsration. > > > > Who knows, maybe they wil honor the price for some people? > > > > Craig > > > > > > on 1/5/06 1:41 AM, Kris Hartung at khartung@cableone.net wrote: > > > > > This is more like it: > > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CyberFCBag/ > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! > PLEASE READ! > > > > > > > > >> Well, that would have lead to a Monty Python moment, when the > > >> package arrived... :-) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Craig Mitchell" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: FCB1010 gig bag (?) 10.99 -WARNING!!!!!!! > PLEASE READ! > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> I just called Interstate music to order this item and the part > > >>> number > > > they > > >>> have is actually for a Fender 5 way pickup switch. > > >>> > > >>> NOT THE GIG BAG > > >>> > > >>> The sales person I spoke to thinks it s wrong part > number/price on > > >>> the website. > > >>> > > >>> They are not sure if they are going to match the 10.99 > price and > > >>> he is supposed to call me back tomorrow. Might want to double > > >>> check your > > > orders > > >> if > > >>> you have made any. > > >>> > > >>> Craig > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> on 1/4/06 4:37 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On 4 jan 2006, at 22.16, Zoe Keating wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I found that most rectangular violin cases fit the pedal > > >>>>> EXACTLY. > > >>>> > > >>>> Oh yes, I had forgotten you wrote that last week. > > >>>> > > >>>>> The retro ones have less molding inside and I just had to rip > > >>>>> out the pieces that normally hold the neck of the violin. > > >>>>> Otherwise you'd have to take out the molded foam. > > >>>> > > >>>> Great tip. I'll research local violin stores. Thanks! :-) > > >>>> > > >>>> Greetings from Sweden > > >>>> > > >>>> Per Boysen > > >>>> www.looproom.com (international) > > >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > >>>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > >>>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 21:52:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40C053C03D; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:53:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > If anyone out > there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. I run a 12" Powerbook, 1,5 GHz, and could do ca. 10 times more than the rig you described in your example. (I'd build all what I need in Max/MSP) The display is small compared to a 17", but shows also 10 times more than any of the small displays of the hw gear all together. (And would sit a bit higher and easier to watch than the average looper displays, be it rack or footpedals.) > Someone else has already answered regarding the lower cost of a > Windows laptop, which isn't surprising, but I'd want to be sure that > this is a proven-workable configuration for the audio tasks at hand. I have not seen any windows based computer which could compete with a mac mini in size and price. Attach a transportable flat screen and you're still lower in price than the cheapest powerbook. Apples do not drop in price that much as PC's either, I just sold a completely broken 5 year old 15" Powerbook (literally nothing was working) for more than 200 Euros. For what you need to replace any average hardware rack you'd be fine with a previous generation modell. (Though I'd not recommend it.) With that in mind and just considering not needing to carry the racks it pays off very well for me. I still have that huge rack I used to schlepp back in the 80's, its in my room and was not moved for many years, I am very glad about that. One point to outdated gear: I transferred all my sets thru several OS transitions. From Apple II's DOS to CP/M to a Gepard (a german product which was not long around) to Atari to Mac OS 6-9, to OS X. The only concern I have with software is the danger, that the company which sells the software might die. (This is actually worse with hardware, because even if the company does not die, it might not be willing to deliver replacement parts). The solution for the future is open source software which (very/too) slowly move towards usable tools. There is Pd as alternative to Max/MSP already quite impressive, there is Ardour as alternative to ProTools (not quite as usable yet, but its only a matter of time), there is Audacity as replacement for various audio editors... These tools canot die. Even in a far future, it would be possible to compile a running version on a future processor/OS. But if you use them now, you need some extra time to get deep enough into them, but you do not need to pay any introductory or upgrade ever in terms of money. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 21:59:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7603C042; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q2+t5SLrTE4MhWN44sJpCukqx/Y7b4iuC1Ac0MfcbGZMLTrvQpyVFWqWgOkEjK6Efe3w5d6l9XxrfzHTj9X/SNWpgxtE3F3vdIvEjfMiGZwue/Efkv8yggmd0y/YYJ+DMPFB0Ov9/NLqhex+OjT2gAWmpPFylJCWnBgOuF2MQZA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:59:11 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:59:14 +0000 (UTC) So your PowerBook could handle the real-time signal processing for ten guitarists running ten individual looping instances without bogging down? Out of curiousity, exactly what software would you recommend for that, and what software are you using for personal performance needs? Thanks! TravisH On 1/5/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > If anyone out > > there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > > I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. > > I run a 12" Powerbook, 1,5 GHz, and could do ca. 10 times more than the > rig you described in your example. (I'd build all what I need in > Max/MSP) The display is small compared to a 17", but shows also 10 times > more than any of the small displays of the hw gear all together. (And > would sit a bit higher and easier to watch than the average looper > displays, be it rack or footpedals.) > > > Someone else has already answered regarding the lower cost of a > > Windows laptop, which isn't surprising, but I'd want to be sure that > > this is a proven-workable configuration for the audio tasks at hand. > > I have not seen any windows based computer which could compete with a > mac mini in size and price. Attach a transportable flat screen and > you're still lower in price than the cheapest powerbook. > Apples do not drop in price that much as PC's either, I just sold a > completely broken 5 year old 15" Powerbook (literally nothing was > working) for more than 200 Euros. For what you need to replace any > average hardware rack you'd be fine with a previous generation modell. > (Though I'd not recommend it.) With that in mind and just considering > not needing to carry the racks it pays off very well for me. I still > have that huge rack I used to schlepp back in the 80's, its in my room > and was not moved for many years, I am very glad about that. > > One point to outdated gear: I transferred all my sets thru several OS > transitions. From Apple II's DOS to CP/M to a Gepard (a german product > which was not long around) to Atari to Mac OS 6-9, to OS X. The only > concern I have with software is the danger, that the company which sells > the software might die. (This is actually worse with hardware, because > even if the company does not die, it might not be willing to deliver > replacement parts). The solution for the future is open source software > which (very/too) slowly move towards usable tools. > > There is Pd as alternative to Max/MSP already quite impressive, there is > Ardour as alternative to ProTools (not quite as usable yet, but its only > a matter of time), there is Audacity as replacement for various audio > editors... These tools canot die. Even in a far future, it would be > possible to compile a running version on a future processor/OS. > But if you use them now, you need some extra time to get deep enough > into them, but you do not need to pay any introductory or upgrade ever > in terms of money. > > Stefan > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:12:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06CAA3C046; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pErmq2z4vdD10QcvcRN3FJCjxMk8qWjP6DoNdEvg3PHxJPR5CTm0WR0asW64PvuXC1l4YcmSgRJK9AxQenOLoF4RsJgj5XZH1I7K7wXrYOQkBfImINdlhRmv5QpYE4Fj4P3M47u1ovG85ZOrZ8t6mIOGxblp8p0eBo1vD4awRBo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:12:25 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Bidule maybe? At least it's Mac and Windows. You have to pay $75 to get the VST version. On 1/5/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 5 jan 2006, at 21.42, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote > >> Downside: only Windows. > > > > On 5 jan 2006, at 21.43, Stoopid Me wrote > > Ok. I'll ditch my Macs then. They were just too ugly anyway. > > > > The above comment was just a joke. Couldn't resist.... ;-) > > per (love my mac) > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4BFA3C058; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:20:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:20:17 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 23.12, Art Simon wrote: > Bidule maybe? At least it's Mac and Windows. You have to pay $75 to > get the VST version. Thanks! I already own Bidule, but the question is "Can it create graphic indicators for monitoring MIDI throughput"? (I'm not terrorizing the list, only hoping that someone out there have already tried what I'm up to... an "experienced advice" would save me a lot of time) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F185A3C05E; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:20:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:20:42 +0000 (UTC) > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> If anyone out >> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, >> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. An example of CPU efficiency: I have been running almost identical Ableton Live looping set-ups on =20 a powerbook and a centrino PC laptop. The CPU meter of Live does show =20= 70-90% on the powerbook and 30-40% on the pc. Below are specifications. Powerbook 15". 1,25 MHz, 2G ram. Zepto "Centrino" laptop. Intel P M 755 2.0 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. On the pc the looping was done on four tracks, in four parallel loops =20= of M=F6bius VST plug-in (distributing through four Ableton channels). =20= On the Mac looping were done on two tracks, in two parallel loops of =20 Augustus Loop. Except that both environments had the same post =20 treatment plug-ins applied as send/return loops: 2 Pluggo effects, 1 =20 OhmBoyz delay, Abletons' Reverb. Two or three effect plug-ins were =20 also applied directly on the tracks hosting loops. To save CPU, no software compressor was used, but both laptop outputs =20= were run through a hardware master stereo compressor before going =20 into the PA. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:22:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F353C05E; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:22:09 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <587734023.20060105232209@gmx.net> To: Per Boysen Subject: Re[2]: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software In-Reply-To: <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:22:39 +0000 (UTC) PB> On 5 jan 2006, at 23.12, Art Simon wrote: >> Bidule maybe? At least it's Mac and Windows. You have to pay $75 to >> get the VST version. PB> Thanks! I already own Bidule, but the question is "Can it create PB> graphic indicators for monitoring MIDI throughput"? PB> (I'm not terrorizing the list, only hoping that someone out there PB> have already tried what I'm up to... an "experienced advice" would PB> save me a lot of time) do you only want to see if there is MIDI activity or also what kind of MIDI activity? What kind of throughput do yo mean from which port to which port? Matthias (L) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:28:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B2C53C05D; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AJMxnQus4JCVdlFdWZ3aNKAroxT2WHlNx35TeeIBw4vexwXJSO2Ep6wS1HdD4bBSLPlLO5GTGIz/cQdRPsEdttMY9K5yeGBWCJe7P/j64r5/iMq7giURJPO5jwv5jbUrv5vBGLpjE1cvnoZBfrWYcUJGRc+mu40IAbQcqP9f130= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:28:49 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:28:52 +0000 (UTC) But if I read this correctly, your instrument itself was already processed prior to the signal entering the laptop? That is, you've got some sort of preamp/effects setup outside of the computer? TravisH On 1/5/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> If anyone out > >> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > >> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. > > > > An example of CPU efficiency: > > I have been running almost identical Ableton Live looping set-ups on > a powerbook and a centrino PC laptop. The CPU meter of Live does show > 70-90% on the powerbook and 30-40% on the pc. Below are specifications. > > Powerbook 15". 1,25 MHz, 2G ram. > Zepto "Centrino" laptop. Intel P M 755 2.0 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. > > On the pc the looping was done on four tracks, in four parallel loops > of M=F6bius VST plug-in (distributing through four Ableton channels). > On the Mac looping were done on two tracks, in two parallel loops of > Augustus Loop. Except that both environments had the same post > treatment plug-ins applied as send/return loops: 2 Pluggo effects, 1 > OhmBoyz delay, Abletons' Reverb. Two or three effect plug-ins were > also applied directly on the tracks hosting loops. > > To save CPU, no software compressor was used, but both laptop outputs > were run through a hardware master stereo compressor before going > into the PA. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:29:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A633C042; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:30:49 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software In-reply-to: <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016401c61247$ae2a3ee0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Per, If you want something really simple - an object that flashes when a particular midi message is sent to it, I'd be happy to whip you up something in MAX. You have to get the midi signal to it, of course, and there's a free MAX runtime that you can use, so you don't have to buy MAX. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software > > > On 5 jan 2006, at 23.12, Art Simon wrote: > > > Bidule maybe? At least it's Mac and Windows. You have to pay $75 to > > get the VST version. > > > Thanks! I already own Bidule, but the question is "Can it create > graphic indicators for monitoring MIDI throughput"? > (I'm not terrorizing the list, only hoping that someone out there > have already tried what I'm up to... an "experienced advice" would > save me a lot of time) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6809D3C04B; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:38:07 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <573543356.20060105233807@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: Re[2]: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:38:37 +0000 (UTC) > If anyone out > there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. I run a two years old Pentium 4 Mobile, 1 Gig of Ram, 845 chipset. It is a "no name" Xeron (www.xeron.de) notebook, but at the time I ordered it, this was the only company, that could clearly tell me which chipset, cardbus controller, firewire controller etc. was in there. I was reading computer magazines and audio-websites a few month before buying it to avoid any compatibility problem. Apart from a heating problem due to dust in the fan it ran without problems for a lot of gigs during the last 2 years. I payed $3000 for it with a second battery for 3-4 hours of playing. I've got the RME multiface as soundcard (www.rme-audio.de) Before I was doing just sound processing with CubaseSX but now I run Bidule as VST host and Möbius for looping. As Bidule can switch off plugins which are not needed I can switch between different FX chains from 5 to 15 VSTs. With Möbius playing 6 tracks of 5 layers and some heavy effects it runs at 80%. The border to glitch-danger is at about 85. Of course I've got ideas what to do if my notebook was 10 times faster. Most I wish to use a Impulse response reverb like the one from voxengo, but it needs way too much processing power. I don't think now is a good time for buying a new computer. There are too many things changing at the moment. I wait for a time when all computers have 2 or 4 cores-cpus and firewire 800 and when I can run Windows XP on a Powerbook;-) I have tried the opposite which wasn't too exciting. The main disadvantages of my notebook for live playing is the instability of the housing. Matthias (L) http://matthias.loibner.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11B73C056; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <587734023.20060105232209@gmx.net> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> <587734023.20060105232209@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5DF291AA-4BB8-49DE-A46E-89E86DEB85B0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Re[2]: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:45:15 +0100 To: LD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:45:19 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 23.22, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > do you only want to see if there is MIDI activity or also what kind of > MIDI activity? > What kind of throughput do yo mean from which port to which port? Here are some explicit examples of what I need: Every time a certain MIDI Note number passes through I want a graphical sign to change color (red/green) or whatever. This can of course be just a little flash that gets lit on the passing of the defined MIDI event and shuts down next time the same event comes around. A simple Selector Monitor? MIDI comes in through the physical MIDI port and goes into Ableton Live 5. Then it's led through a MIDI track into an audio track that is hosting a looping plug-in, the target for MIDI control. Since I cant see the GUI windows of all loopers at the same time I need some small floating graphical monitors to tell me what mode the looper is in. Is it recording or is the loop freezed? etc etc- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:48:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92EF53C059; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <016401c61247$ae2a3ee0$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <016401c61247$ae2a3ee0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <538CD51E-694F-4F23-8A4E-562B95544C8F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:48:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:48:05 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jan 2006, at 23.30, Warren Sirota wrote: > If you want something really simple - an object that flashes when a > particular midi message is sent to it, I'd be happy to whip you up > something > in MAX. You have to get the midi signal to it, of course, and > there's a free > MAX runtime that you can use, so you don't have to buy MAX. How generous! I have Pluggo on both OS X and XP, so I may be able to set up a "MIDI send" from a Pluggo plug-on. Hmmm... maybe Pluggo already has what I'm after, I'll read though the plug-in spec manual. Hold on, please... BRB Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:50:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A68633C06F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:50:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7LrdwC.A.ckB.TLavDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Yes, you are correct. I left out that because I mentioned it in an =20 earlier post. Don't want to clogg down the list too much ;-) per On 5 jan 2006, at 23.28, Travis Hartnett wrote: > But if I read this correctly, your instrument itself was already > processed prior to the signal entering the laptop? That is, you've > got some sort of preamp/effects setup outside of the computer? > > TravisH > > On 1/5/06, Per Boysen wrote: >>> Travis Hartnett wrote: >>>> If anyone out >>>> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, >>>> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. >> >> >> >> An example of CPU efficiency: >> >> I have been running almost identical Ableton Live looping set-ups on >> a powerbook and a centrino PC laptop. The CPU meter of Live does show >> 70-90% on the powerbook and 30-40% on the pc. Below are =20 >> specifications. >> >> Powerbook 15". 1,25 MHz, 2G ram. >> Zepto "Centrino" laptop. Intel P M 755 2.0 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. >> >> On the pc the looping was done on four tracks, in four parallel loops >> of M=F6bius VST plug-in (distributing through four Ableton channels). >> On the Mac looping were done on two tracks, in two parallel loops of >> Augustus Loop. Except that both environments had the same post >> treatment plug-ins applied as send/return loops: 2 Pluggo effects, 1 >> OhmBoyz delay, Abletons' Reverb. Two or three effect plug-ins were >> also applied directly on the tracks hosting loops. >> >> To save CPU, no software compressor was used, but both laptop outputs >> were run through a hardware master stereo compressor before going >> into the PA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 22:53:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33FF73C079; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:53:24 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <708716993.20060105235324@gmx.net> To: Per Boysen Subject: Re[4]: AW: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software In-Reply-To: <5DF291AA-4BB8-49DE-A46E-89E86DEB85B0@boysen.se> References: <000301c61238$847bc410$0601a8c0@succubus> <588ce11d0601051412j42088a44te15a6765af38cbbe@mail.gmail.com> <65F4AA4A-EB8E-4272-A9F9-CEA4CCA3CA33@boysen.se> <587734023.20060105232209@gmx.net> <5DF291AA-4BB8-49DE-A46E-89E86DEB85B0@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:53:55 +0000 (UTC) I'll send you a bidule file, if you don't mind PB> On 5 jan 2006, at 23.22, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: >> do you only want to see if there is MIDI activity or also what kind of >> MIDI activity? >> What kind of throughput do yo mean from which port to which port? PB> Here are some explicit examples of what I need: PB> Every time a certain MIDI Note number passes through I want a PB> graphical sign to change color (red/green) or whatever. This can of PB> course be just a little flash that gets lit on the passing of the PB> defined MIDI event and shuts down next time the same event comes PB> around. A simple Selector Monitor? PB> MIDI comes in through the physical MIDI port and goes into Ableton PB> Live 5. Then it's led through a MIDI track into an audio track that PB> is hosting a looping plug-in, the target for MIDI control. Since I PB> cant see the GUI windows of all loopers at the same time I need some PB> small floating graphical monitors to tell me what mode the looper is PB> in. Is it recording or is the loop freezed? etc etc- PB> Greetings from Sweden PB> Per Boysen PB> www.looproom.com (international) PB> www.boysen.se (Swedish) --->> iTunes Music Store (digital) PB> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85AC83C04B; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:18:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:18:58 +0000 (UTC) At 11:19 AM -0800 1/5/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Yeah, trying to figure the actual cost of a computer system for music >can be tricky. My example of $3K for the PowerBook was based on the >price of a 17" display model with the RAM maxed out. The base price >for that model on the Apple Store right now is $2500, and once you put >in the RAM and pay tax, you're not getting much change back from three >large. Maybe one can get by with a smaller screen and slower >processor, it really depends on how you're going to use it. I've >grown used to the 17" display on my flat panel iMac which I use for >ProTools, and whenever I have to go back to a smaller screen, it feels >cramped, but of course it can be done. Minor addendum on the numbers: I just sprung for a 17" Powerbook this week (FedEx is bringing it even now) because the wife was pointing out that I always buy cool toys for myself, but not her. The model you're looking at on the Apple Store is for the spiffy new 17" with the improved display. It has an increased screen resolution, but not much more. As a result, the 17" with the normal display has been reduced in price from a lot of the different outlets. I just purchased a 1.67Mhz 17" with 1.5 gigs of memory (they didn't have a sale offer on expanding it up to 2 gigs) for only $1949. No sales tax (except in CA), either. This deal is available at LA Computer Company. Also, Mac Connection is doing the 17" 1.67Mhz with base 512meg memory for only $1799, after $100 rebate (also comes with a free printer). These are all brand new Apple product, with full factory warranty. You can probably do even better if you're willing to look around at factory refurbs from someplace like Small Dog, or Tech Restore. So, you can get some pretty comparable deals on Macs, if you know where to look. About 33% down from your original estimate. And, yes, I know I should have probably waited another 6-8 months until the first models ship on the Intel platform, but ongoing domestic bliss is far more important in the long run. ;) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:23:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703553C060; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:22:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=206475, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:23:04 +0000 (UTC) >>> Travis Hartnett wrote: >>>> If anyone out >>>> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, >>>> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using I can do it without bogging down my processor too much, but it still isn't stable enough for me to go live given my effect requirements. I can run my VST host (EnergyXT) with various VST effects (reverb, chorus, delay, and some tone mangling stuff) and Mobius as a VST. It works most of the time, but occasionally the systems crashes if I try some really wild stuff, looping while shifting between various complex VST effects and patches, etc. However, my effect requirements are intense (using VST programs like Antares Filter, PSP84), and I don't think this is a processor or notebook issue (my processor usage is still moderate in this context), but a contention issue between the software. I'm running a Compaq Presario 2525US, Pentium 4, 2.4 Ghz, 500MG of RAM. It could be a cache issue, however If I were looping with the above, minus the effects gymnastics...meaning, I'm just using reverb, chorus, and delay, with Mobius...then, yes, no problem, I would perform with nothing but my laptop. I'd plug my acoustic guitar straight into my soundcard, and go directly out into my mixer board. Now, I'll try my souped up system on the new laptop I get later in the year, on one of the new Intel dual core notebooks, which also have a dual cache setup. I've seen the specs and the performance benchmark comparisons on the processors, in the context of gaming and music applications, and how they deal with the severe strain of more than one application trying to perform their tasks, and they kick butt. My wife is convinced I'll be able to do what I want with these new notebooks. Kris > On 1/5/06, Per Boysen wrote: . >> >> >> >> An example of CPU efficiency: >> >> I have been running almost identical Ableton Live looping set-ups on >> a powerbook and a centrino PC laptop. The CPU meter of Live does show >> 70-90% on the powerbook and 30-40% on the pc. Below are >> specifications. >> >> Powerbook 15". 1,25 MHz, 2G ram. >> Zepto "Centrino" laptop. Intel P M 755 2.0 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. >> >> On the pc the looping was done on four tracks, in four parallel loops >> of Möbius VST plug-in (distributing through four Ableton channels). >> On the Mac looping were done on two tracks, in two parallel loops of >> Augustus Loop. Except that both environments had the same post >> treatment plug-ins applied as send/return loops: 2 Pluggo effects, 1 >> OhmBoyz delay, Abletons' Reverb. Two or three effect plug-ins were >> also applied directly on the tracks hosting loops. >> >> To save CPU, no software compressor was used, but both laptop outputs >> were run through a hardware master stereo compressor before going >> into the PA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CCB3C059; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14a101c6124f$7f5d5fe0$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:26:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 431, in=190717, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:26:50 +0000 (UTC) I had no idea you were using a Centrino, Per. Wow, a 2.0 Ghz....you know in performance terms, and in comparison to the non-Centrion M processors, that translates to a lot more than that. It's comparing apples and organges, but a 2.0 Ghz Centrino system will scream past a 2.0Ghz Pentium M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> If anyone out >> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, >> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using. An example of CPU efficiency: I have been running almost identical Ableton Live looping set-ups on a powerbook and a centrino PC laptop. The CPU meter of Live does show 70-90% on the powerbook and 30-40% on the pc. Below are specifications. Powerbook 15". 1,25 MHz, 2G ram. Zepto "Centrino" laptop. Intel P M 755 2.0 GHz Dothan. 1 GB ram. On the pc the looping was done on four tracks, in four parallel loops of Möbius VST plug-in (distributing through four Ableton channels). On the Mac looping were done on two tracks, in two parallel loops of Augustus Loop. Except that both environments had the same post treatment plug-ins applied as send/return loops: 2 Pluggo effects, 1 OhmBoyz delay, Abletons' Reverb. Two or three effect plug-ins were also applied directly on the tracks hosting loops. To save CPU, no software compressor was used, but both laptop outputs were run through a hardware master stereo compressor before going into the PA. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD263C068; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RLzrzqjvqUEGcjqnU0B67M0IEB5f90KSfpRIEzEBY8DsQ6Bqd0FReO++5bitDWZYzZ+OsuUpkvSl5Ur0XP1yLPlhdlG89sJZ8MepKa+FaadE877s2xqzQzSXV8oy2J3AVcpStQrADdLKx2WCCybC3R7YA/3ulURIIc+A4lFOSHg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:27:33 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Sure, but my point in using the Apple Store price is that it's more standardized and readily available. For the current model, the 17" PowerBook, the Apple price is $2499, and the current model EDP (for instance) is $799. I'm sure one can find an older beige EDP with an earlier version of the software for less, but the two prices quoted above are reliably available to everyone. TravisH PS: is your sig a Zork quote? On 1/5/06, mech wrote: > At 11:19 AM -0800 1/5/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >Yeah, trying to figure the actual cost of a computer system for music > >can be tricky. My example of $3K for the PowerBook was based on the > >price of a 17" display model with the RAM maxed out. The base price > >for that model on the Apple Store right now is $2500, and once you put > >in the RAM and pay tax, you're not getting much change back from three > >large. Maybe one can get by with a smaller screen and slower > >processor, it really depends on how you're going to use it. I've > >grown used to the 17" display on my flat panel iMac which I use for > >ProTools, and whenever I have to go back to a smaller screen, it feels > >cramped, but of course it can be done. > > Minor addendum on the numbers: > > I just sprung for a 17" Powerbook this week (FedEx is bringing it > even now) because the wife was pointing out that I always buy cool > toys for myself, but not her. The model you're looking at on the > Apple Store is for the spiffy new 17" with the improved display. It > has an increased screen resolution, but not much more. > > As a result, the 17" with the normal display has been reduced in > price from a lot of the different outlets. I just purchased a > 1.67Mhz 17" with 1.5 gigs of memory (they didn't have a sale offer on > expanding it up to 2 gigs) for only $1949. No sales tax (except in > CA), either. This deal is available at LA Computer Company. Also, > Mac Connection is doing the 17" 1.67Mhz with base 512meg memory for > only $1799, after $100 rebate (also comes with a free printer). > > These are all brand new Apple product, with full factory warranty. > You can probably do even better if you're willing to look around at > factory refurbs from someplace like Small Dog, or Tech Restore. > > So, you can get some pretty comparable deals on Macs, if you know > where to look. About 33% down from your original estimate. > > And, yes, I know I should have probably waited another 6-8 months > until the first models ship on the Intel platform, but ongoing > domestic bliss is far more important in the long run. ;) > > --m. > > -- > _______ > "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:31:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 688073C073; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HhFLny5GxtRgLTJw3qyiBtcZthlRnmWKY0par+9DqkiJy6mLoWam/MDkwkEtxc1RyIL3GwA6qWiPw0sB2ZZVQ29r6TSXtJssnFzguPRhJYaFKn2Ib1FTju+ZuXle0TSTrtQN7g6Bk21o/t96HJByJHsT45C0iEx53/68ci/ZxfA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:31:00 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:31:02 +0000 (UTC) That's great news. What's the street price on your hardware? TravisH On 1/5/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >>> Travis Hartnett wrote: > >>>> If anyone out > >>>> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > >>>> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using > > I can do it without bogging down my processor too much, but it still isn'= t > stable enough for me to go live given my effect requirements. I can run m= y > VST host (EnergyXT) with various VST effects (reverb, chorus, delay, and > some tone mangling stuff) and Mobius as a VST. It works most of the time, > but occasionally the systems crashes if I try some really wild stuff, > looping while shifting between various complex VST effects and patches, e= tc. > However, my effect requirements are intense (using VST programs like Anta= res > Filter, PSP84), and I don't think this is a processor or notebook issue (= my > processor usage is still moderate in this context), but a contention issu= e > between the software. I'm running a Compaq Presario 2525US, Pentium 4, 2= .4 > Ghz, 500MG of RAM. It could be a cache issue, however > > If I were looping with the above, minus the effects gymnastics...meaning, > I'm just using reverb, chorus, and delay, with Mobius...then, yes, no > problem, I would perform with nothing but my laptop. I'd plug my acoustic > guitar straight into my soundcard, and go directly out into my mixer boar= d. > > Now, I'll try my souped up system on the new laptop I get later in the ye= ar, > on one of the new Intel dual core notebooks, which also have a dual cache > setup. I've seen the specs and the performance benchmark comparisons on t= he > processors, in the context of gaming and music applications, and how the= y > deal with the severe strain of more than one application trying to perfor= m > their tasks, and they kick butt. My wife is convinced I'll be able to do > what I want with these new notebooks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:31:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4A763C00F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <732DA42D-9395-43F2-B488-9675FD6B8F58@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:31:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jan 2006, at 00.22, Kris Hartung wrote: > My wife is convinced I'll be able to do > what I want with these new notebooks. What a Wonderful Wife ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:46:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6051C3C082; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14c301c61252$469b5100$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:46:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=206490, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <058aEC.A.kIE.k_avDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:46:45 +0000 (UTC) I bought that notebook for $1700, and that was over two years ago. I also use it for all my personal computing needs...email, graphics, website building, serving the web, documents, etc...so I get my money's worth. That's not bad: stereo looping with Mobius, and a few basic effects. With that scenario, I wouldn't be able to justify buying two EDPs, and a rackmount unit that had chorus, reverb, and delay. We're already talking over $2000 there. But that's just one scenario, not the one I'm using to perform now. Maybe if I decide to go back to just basic-tone acoustic guitar looping, I'll go to that system. I'm still trying to convince myself to do that, but I'm a sucker for cool VST effects...like Cycling 74 Hipno, which I MUST have now, thanks to Rick! . :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided That's great news. What's the street price on your hardware? TravisH On 1/5/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >>> Travis Hartnett wrote: > >>>> If anyone out > >>>> there is doing all their signal processing and looping on a laptop, > >>>> I'd love to hear the specs of what they're using > > I can do it without bogging down my processor too much, but it still isn't > stable enough for me to go live given my effect requirements. I can run my > VST host (EnergyXT) with various VST effects (reverb, chorus, delay, and > some tone mangling stuff) and Mobius as a VST. It works most of the time, > but occasionally the systems crashes if I try some really wild stuff, > looping while shifting between various complex VST effects and patches, etc. > However, my effect requirements are intense (using VST programs like Antares > Filter, PSP84), and I don't think this is a processor or notebook issue (my > processor usage is still moderate in this context), but a contention issue > between the software. I'm running a Compaq Presario 2525US, Pentium 4, 2.4 > Ghz, 500MG of RAM. It could be a cache issue, however > > If I were looping with the above, minus the effects gymnastics...meaning, > I'm just using reverb, chorus, and delay, with Mobius...then, yes, no > problem, I would perform with nothing but my laptop. I'd plug my acoustic > guitar straight into my soundcard, and go directly out into my mixer board. > > Now, I'll try my souped up system on the new laptop I get later in the year, > on one of the new Intel dual core notebooks, which also have a dual cache > setup. I've seen the specs and the performance benchmark comparisons on the > processors, in the context of gaming and music applications, and how they > deal with the severe strain of more than one application trying to perform > their tasks, and they kick butt. My wife is convinced I'll be able to do > what I want with these new notebooks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 5 23:53:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F4443C054; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YY9RGzzwiYdHUi9IIcLo8AC6wjvQafcT7MfqYcirYyTZSBsskdllJ9MbxQ0cyNZw0A0ZDA4LJDYZaMsYcbKDmd/Vz2F7ciJjZPCN0SBXTpwSXVRt+xkaEz/APXFKoLuxSO4ooWe6nKb8DIs2dI5xTpnO1UpqWyMGuMjjKwfHwss= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:53:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: <14c301c61252$469b5100$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <14c301c61252$469b5100$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:53:29 +0000 (UTC) And that was $1700 street value, not with an HP or Intel employee discount? TravisH On 1/5/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I bought that notebook for $1700, and that was over two years ago. I also > use it for all my personal computing needs...email, graphics, website > building, serving the web, documents, etc...so I get my money's worth. > That's not bad: stereo looping with Mobius, and a few basic effects. Wit= h > that scenario, I wouldn't be able to justify buying two EDPs, and a > rackmount unit that had chorus, reverb, and delay. We're already talking > over $2000 there. But that's just one scenario, not the one I'm using to > perform now. Maybe if I decide to go back to just basic-tone acoustic gui= tar > looping, I'll go to that system. I'm still trying to convince myself to d= o > that, but I'm a sucker for cool VST effects...like Cycling 74 Hipno, whic= h I > MUST have now, thanks to Rick! . :) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 00:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 660AC3C04E; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <9269926D-84E4-4C0A-B4EF-2DCA67370BDD@boysen.se> References: <9269926D-84E4-4C0A-B4EF-2DCA67370BDD@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A715381-0BED-44AC-9AE9-3D95FCBDBA45@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: Need advice for costumizable GUI monitoring software Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:34:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - corvette.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the0verclock.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:34:36 +0000 (UTC) i can build it for you in max and you can run it with max runtime, which is free. email me off list and we can talk specs. - b On Jan 5, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Speaking about computers: > I'm currently setting up a live-looping environment in Ableton Live > and realizing that I may be running into problems because I can't > see what's going on with all my parameters. So now I'm looking for > a software utility that will let me fabricate small buttons that > show the state of different parametes. Like for example, I'm > sending MIDI Note Number 9 to freeze a loop. Next time I send the > same note the loop is unfreezed and new audio input can be layered > into the spin. When working four such loops at the same time it > becomes hard to keep track of which loops are open and which are > freezed at a certain moment. So I need some sort of graphical > indicator (simply shifting from green to red on the passing of a > defined MIDI event). I know you can make such things in MAX, but I > think it's a bit overkill to buy max only for a little graphical > monitoring. Any tips? > > Using both OS X and Windows XP and I might need this kind of > utility on both systems. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 01:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FFBD3C064; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c6125f$0b14e670$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <8C7E0552CE0FAF8-FF0-B73@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 Availability in Europe Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:18:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:18:09 +0000 (UTC) The folks on LD can't wait to bash the shit out of it!!! Heheheh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: RC-50 Availability in Europe >A happy new year to all ! > > I frequently read and seldomly post but I thought you might want to > know that > the RC-50 will most likely be in german stores (such as Thomann) by > March/April > (around the Frankfurt Fair) as a reliable source has told me. > > I helped in providing Roland with ideas for the RC-50 (codeword: > "Superlooper") > and am curious myself to see what has come out of it :-) > > Greetings > > Christian Rover > www.christianrover.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 01:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C3C3C060; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14cb01c61264$4653bb80$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> <43BD953D.106@addcom.de> <148e01c6124e$f76cce90$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <14c301c61252$469b5100$5ac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:55:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 434, in=206552, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Heh heh...oh, yes. Well HP discounts ain't what they used to be. I only got a $100 discount....rather pathetic. So, street value of $1800. Good catch. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided And that was $1700 street value, not with an HP or Intel employee discount? TravisH On 1/5/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > I bought that notebook for $1700, and that was over two years ago. I also > use it for all my personal computing needs...email, graphics, website > building, serving the web, documents, etc...so I get my money's worth. > That's not bad: stereo looping with Mobius, and a few basic effects. With > that scenario, I wouldn't be able to justify buying two EDPs, and a > rackmount unit that had chorus, reverb, and delay. We're already talking > over $2000 there. But that's just one scenario, not the one I'm using to > perform now. Maybe if I decide to go back to just basic-tone acoustic guitar > looping, I'll go to that system. I'm still trying to convince myself to do > that, but I'm a sucker for cool VST effects...like Cycling 74 Hipno, which I > MUST have now, thanks to Rick! . :) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 03:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B345D3C049; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:19:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:19:33 +0000 (UTC) At 3:27 PM -0800 1/5/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Sure, but my point in using the Apple Store price is that it's more >standardized and readily available. For the current model, the 17" >PowerBook, the Apple price is $2499, and the current model EDP (for >instance) is $799. I'm sure one can find an older beige EDP with an >earlier version of the software for less, but the two prices quoted >above are reliably available to everyone. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Although I think the analogy would be more accurate if you took the Apple price as what would normally be considered "list" (thus your EDP price in the example would actually be $1300). My only counterpoint would probably be: who the heck pays list price anymore? ;) >PS: is your sig a Zork quote? It *is* from one of the old text style computer games, although it seems it's gotten passed around between several of them -- almost like a programmer in-joke. I first remember seeing it on an old Commodore 64 version called Adventure (I think) but I believe Zork coined it long before that. Dunno why that one came to mind, but for some reason I though it would make an interesting .sig. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 03:49:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2C53C04C; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: FW: Midi foot controller Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:49:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-PKZCC.A.R4D.ZjevDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Maybe dreams do come true...:> -----Original Message----- From: Uwe Salwender [mailto:info@salwender.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:31 PM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Midi foot controller > Would you consider building a fully functioning midi foot controller? I > believe there is a niche market for such a thing, as there is an expanding > community of live performers using both hardware and software loop recorders > who have very limited choices on the current market for foot operated midi > controllers. The product would need to have either inputs for CC expression > pedals, or at least one onboard pedal, and need to be programmable in PC, CC > and midi note on/off modes. Most of the input I have received on bog sites > such as LoopersDelight.com, is that compact size and rugged construction are > important, as is silent switching, and your switches are considered to be > the best and the quietest. I would love to dialogue with you if possible, if > you are at all intrigued with this possibility. > Thank you for your time > Bill > Bill, Peter is working on "Columbus", a midi/channel controller. Should be released soon. Stay tuned! UWe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 03:54:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3593C049; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s2b2bm89+JmGCxP48o72MeiAule4NYJ70bOVAIcbPnldg1WKv+RpbfxueoN9o9tLkLz1NrXTLIw1wyiAUGe9qou1Ax6feZFZYAfAimIJcpyHxLA85PEAd8N4CuyiUd+08k9bbCtU3KtltTjisoFRKMFA/QK5OeDERmuem6n2xJM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:54:16 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:54:18 +0000 (UTC) There's far less discounting on new Apple hardware. The same source for the EDP price of $799 (Sweetwater) has the same PowerBook prices as the Apple Store. I did a quick poke around just now, and there are a few places that seem to be offering the same model for around $2K, so we can use that figure. Still, in a year it'll be worth a grand, whereas the EDP appears to be depreciating at a much slower rate. TravisH On 1/5/06, mech wrote: > At 3:27 PM -0800 1/5/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >Sure, but my point in using the Apple Store price is that it's more > >standardized and readily available. For the current model, the 17" > >PowerBook, the Apple price is $2499, and the current model EDP (for > >instance) is $799. I'm sure one can find an older beige EDP with an > >earlier version of the software for less, but the two prices quoted > >above are reliably available to everyone. > > Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. Although I think the > analogy would be more accurate if you took the Apple price as what > would normally be considered "list" (thus your EDP price in the > example would actually be $1300). > > My only counterpoint would probably be: who the heck pays list price > anymore? ;) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 03:57:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC83E3C05F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jXUJsknFSu7uZrRArAUpmD+g7iHd2TH8tPnt1+i88GtiLn9foZovYA+b6vwKnhGm94UCCVbD2Ftd92SDakH+xLylBpiJnCWHIKvwvkBynAE1SWS+ijS+/C9YJ3iR6AfolwPY+osVy03yXVIzDAZ6SKEI/qVgsh2I9uSnHQGvDNg= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730601051957w47ad6185h77736eb51beafeaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:57:18 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: ddrum 4 SE and effects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_44528_16107988.1136519838802" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:57:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_44528_16107988.1136519838802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I apologize in advance for the OT... Is anyone using a ddrum 4 SE (Mesh head) kit? If so, I'd be interested in hearing about what types of effects (mainly-signal processing) you are usin= g in terms of recording, regardless of whether they are rackmount, PC/MAC-based, etc. Email me offline if you wish...or not.... Thanks! Clint Allen (clint.allen@gmail.com) ------=_Part_44528_16107988.1136519838802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I apologize in advance for the OT...

Is anyone using a ddrum 4 SE (Mesh head) kit? If so, I'd be interested in hearing about what types of effects (mainly-signal processing) you are using in terms of recording, regardless of whether they are rackmount, PC/MAC-based, etc.

Email me offline if you wish...or not....

Thanks!

Clint Allen
(clint.allen@gmail.com)
------=_Part_44528_16107988.1136519838802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 04:39:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 005DE3C04F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:39:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0nqEAD.A.pfF.2RfvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:39:18 +0000 (UTC) At 7:54 PM -0800 1/5/06, Travis Hartnett wrote: >There's far less discounting on new Apple hardware. The same source >for the EDP price of $799 (Sweetwater) has the same PowerBook prices >as the Apple Store. I did a quick poke around just now, and there are >a few places that seem to be offering the same model for around $2K, >so we can use that figure. Still, in a year it'll be worth a grand, >whereas the EDP appears to be depreciating at a much slower rate. No real argument on the depreciation -- *especially* on Apple laptops. Right now, I'm typing this on my Powerbook 667. I think I've mentioned it (read: obsessed over it) before, but when I bought this thing it was the top-of-the-line in their product catalog. However, before the manufacturers warranty had even run out, not only was it no longer their flagship model, it wasn't even on offer any longer. Two other faster models had made it completely redundant before the span of even eight months was up. (If you can't tell, I'm still a little pissed off over that one.) On the other hand, it always performed admirably as a music computer (still does, as I've got Ableton installed and occasionally use it to test new VST's). And now it works great as my personal deck dedicated mostly to my email, surfing, whatnot... Apple laptops do depreciate horribly, cost-wise. Then again, I've had three PC laptops go from new to paperweight in the time I've had this one, so I guess I've gotten my money's worth out of it. Go figure <*shrug*>. --m. -- _______ "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 05:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E7E3C06B; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp does Windows Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:28:00 -0500 Message-ID: <005c01c61281$f5f17100$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C61258.0D1B6900" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060105233103.4002E3C079@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcYSUBqf6RZy1qaSTzuS0d3tTjYVlgAMU/zA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:27:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C61258.0D1B6900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fripp doing a recording session for Windows Vista sounds. http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=151853 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C61258.0D1B6900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C61258.0D1B6900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 07:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F723C03A; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--711146180 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:10:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <2jNGXD.A.UvB.zmhvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:18:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--711146180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:18 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > BTW - when I buy a vintage compressor, I get 2 channels of great > compression. If I buy a really great compressor plug-in, I get as many > channels as my computer can handle. And when I upgrade my computer, I > get > more channels of really great compression automatically. Not to disagree with you, but one other side to this coin is that in many case you will have to pay for software upgrades, to keep your SW compressor current. (waves has just pissed a lot people off my doing this) Also you are correct that you get as many instances of that plug in as your computer will handle, but you are also bound to that recording platform. A good hardware compressor is useful with a VST, or TDM system as well as all analog formats and any recording format that will be invented in the next 20 years. > Can a digital compressor be as good as an analog one? I haven't > auditioned by ear, because > I usually don't have any reason (or maybe don't know that I have a > reason...) to be that picky about compression quality, but it seems > that at > least in theory, digital compressors can be far better because they > can look > ahead in time, while analog is still bound by reality. My experience while subjective is that software has a long way to go to catch up with great analog compression (some others disagree with me). Your statement about the advantages of look ahead processing are absolutely correct if you are talking about brick wall limiting but does not really hold true with compression where most musical applications of compression do not really take advantage of look ahead limiting. Brick wall limiting is the one areas where digital processing has surpassed their analog counterparts (although some argue that this had led to a decline in the over all quality of records) In virtually every other instance I believe software lags behind high quality analog counterparts. Take all this with a grain of salt. I am a studio rat and obsessed with quality, and understand that in my world high quality analog compression is one of the great tools for making great sounding records. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-1--711146180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:18 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: BTW - when I buy a vintage compressor, I get 2 channels of great compression. If I buy a really great compressor plug-in, I get as many channels as my computer can handle. And when I upgrade my computer, I get more channels of really great compression automatically. Not to disagree with you, but one other side to this coin is that in many case you will have to pay for software upgrades, to keep your SW compressor current. (waves has just pissed a lot people off my doing this) Also you are correct that you get as many instances of that plug in as your computer will handle, but you are also bound to that recording platform. A good hardware compressor is useful with a VST, or TDM system as well as all analog formats and any recording format that will be invented in the next 20 years. Can a digital compressor be as good as an analog one? I haven't auditioned by ear, because I usually don't have any reason (or maybe don't know that I have a reason...) to be that picky about compression quality, but it seems that at least in theory, digital compressors can be far better because they can look ahead in time, while analog is still bound by reality. My experience while subjective is that software has a long way to go to catch up with great analog compression (some others disagree with me). Your statement about the advantages of look ahead processing are absolutely correct if you are talking about brick wall limiting but does not really hold true with compression where most musical applications of compression do not really take advantage of look ahead limiting. Brick wall limiting is the one areas where digital processing has surpassed their analog counterparts (although some argue that this had led to a decline in the over all quality of records) In virtually every other instance I believe software lags behind high quality analog counterparts. Take all this with a grain of salt. I am a studio rat and obsessed with quality, and understand that in my world high quality analog compression is one of the great tools for making great sounding records. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-1--711146180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 09:07:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F201B3C077; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Equipment stand ideas Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYSoKJqnlpQf6EcQZGcFi9/UZ7M0w== Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EunZN0qBc-0003gl@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:07:35 +0000 (UTC) I need some equipment stand ideas, kids....I have a 6 space rack, and a small 12 channel mixer. I want to avoid lugging out more stuff that is needed, and compact stands would be better than dragging out a whole = caf=E9 table. I hate excessive setup time (and often don't have that luxury), = and want something that looks nice too.=20 So, what do y'all use to put the racks on for gigs? I have used a few things... - an X style keyboard stand, with the mixer on top of the rack. This = would work great, as the X stand is light and folds almost flat. However, it = isn't very stable. I have never had it fall, but have come very close.=20 - a small amp stand for the rack which makes it face around 45 degrees = up. Great to get to the EDP buttons, but then I have to bring a small plant stand for the mixer since it won't fit on the rack case at that angle.=20 - I have gone to a small Behringer rack mixer too, although it doesn't = sound as good as my Mackie, and doesn't have as many options. I am thinking = about just going back to the Mackie. It takes a little longer to set up = (5mins) and breaks the 'more to bring to a gig' rule, but it sounds so good.=20 Any other ideas I am not thinking of? Sometimes I sit, sometimes stand, = so it has to be reachable- at least viewable, so I can glance at the = displays- otherwist I'd just put the rack on the floor (damn LCD screens!). Some people use equipment cases, which are great, but I don't bring equipment that big to require a huge case. So, I am open to ideas. PVC? Luggage stands? TV Trays? Rope from the ceiling? Busty models? = (what an odd selection of ideas...) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 09:12:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7573C080; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HaCN/A+AmnP1EG7LeYq/hiQDO59co9yC2f3ldux3VFy7cLC9gv1RYreIcwHfRlAEIvedaza8XWw489I5hTIievSv1VdcxTBIEP2B2salXknVsa/K50P9L1KfpVTdaNbQVjzeGtTedcdIHRiEuYM5zNv/xWT87bNUQONueKtxMj4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:12:54 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Equipment stand ideas In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EunZN0qBc-0003gl@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1EunZN0qBc-0003gl@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) I use one of the heavy-duty single tier double x-frame keyboard stands. Very stable: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=3Dhome/search/detail/base_pid/450388/ My 6U rack sits on it with no problem, you could put the mixer on top of that. The single X ones are way too unstable for anything with heft. TravisH On 1/6/06, hazard factor wrote: > I need some equipment stand ideas, kids....I have a 6 space rack, and a > small 12 channel mixer. I want to avoid lugging out more stuff that is > needed, and compact stands would be better than dragging out a whole caf= =E9 > table. I hate excessive setup time (and often don't have that luxury), an= d > want something that looks nice too. > > So, what do y'all use to put the racks on for gigs? I have used a few > things... > > - an X style keyboard stand, with the mixer on top of the rack. This woul= d > work great, as the X stand is light and folds almost flat. However, it is= n't > very stable. I have never had it fall, but have come very close. > > - a small amp stand for the rack which makes it face around 45 degrees up= . > Great to get to the EDP buttons, but then I have to bring a small plant > stand for the mixer since it won't fit on the rack case at that angle. > > - I have gone to a small Behringer rack mixer too, although it doesn't so= und > as good as my Mackie, and doesn't have as many options. I am thinking abo= ut > just going back to the Mackie. It takes a little longer to set up (5mins) > and breaks the 'more to bring to a gig' rule, but it sounds so good. > > Any other ideas I am not thinking of? Sometimes I sit, sometimes stand, s= o > it has to be reachable- at least viewable, so I can glance at the display= s- > otherwist I'd just put the rack on the floor (damn LCD screens!). Some > people use equipment cases, which are great, but I don't bring equipment > that big to require a huge case. So, I am open to ideas. > PVC? Luggage stands? TV Trays? Rope from the ceiling? Busty models? (what= an > odd selection of ideas...) > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 09:51:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D263C083; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:51:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fripp does Windows Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43BE3D84.4126.1C0C2D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005c01c61281$f5f17100$0200a8c0@pcdaw> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:51:06 +0000 (UTC) On 6 Jan 2006 at 0:28, Tony K wrote: > Fripp doing a recording session for Windows Vista sounds. > http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=151853 What an amazing opportunity wasted - can't see what he's playing, any of his gear and the creak of the chair is louder than the guitar signal! DEEP frustration. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 11:32:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21F603C07D; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003d01c612b4$e8cd4de0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0MKp2t-1EunZN0qBc-0003gl@mrelay.perfora.net> Subject: Re: Equipment stand ideas Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:32:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 97, in=57230, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4KLiLC.A.-Y.fVlvDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:32:48 +0000 (UTC) I use some nice, wood portable TV trays. Not that stable, but I like living on the edge... :) I have seen some TV trays that are more stable, however. This works great if you are a sitter...I like the keyboard stand idea for standing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: Equipment stand ideas I need some equipment stand ideas, kids....I have a 6 space rack, and a small 12 channel mixer. I want to avoid lugging out more stuff that is needed, and compact stands would be better than dragging out a whole café table. I hate excessive setup time (and often don't have that luxury), and want something that looks nice too. So, what do y'all use to put the racks on for gigs? I have used a few things... - an X style keyboard stand, with the mixer on top of the rack. This would work great, as the X stand is light and folds almost flat. However, it isn't very stable. I have never had it fall, but have come very close. - a small amp stand for the rack which makes it face around 45 degrees up. Great to get to the EDP buttons, but then I have to bring a small plant stand for the mixer since it won't fit on the rack case at that angle. - I have gone to a small Behringer rack mixer too, although it doesn't sound as good as my Mackie, and doesn't have as many options. I am thinking about just going back to the Mackie. It takes a little longer to set up (5mins) and breaks the 'more to bring to a gig' rule, but it sounds so good. Any other ideas I am not thinking of? Sometimes I sit, sometimes stand, so it has to be reachable- at least viewable, so I can glance at the displays- otherwist I'd just put the rack on the floor (damn LCD screens!). Some people use equipment cases, which are great, but I don't bring equipment that big to require a huge case. So, I am open to ideas. PVC? Luggage stands? TV Trays? Rope from the ceiling? Busty models? (what an odd selection of ideas...) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 11:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3779D3C07E; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A389088-A0FC-4DFA-8ACA-90FC7CDC213C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:51:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:51:56 +0000 (UTC) >> Can a digital compressor be as good as an analog one? I haven't >> auditioned by ear, because >> I usually don't have any reason I had a reason to do some A/B testing here, by ear. Since long I'm the lucky owner of a RNC (Really Nice Compressor). http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM I use the RNC after the laptop/EDP to give a more dynamic feel to the general stereo sound, when playing live-looping sets. One rainy day I decided to see if I could get the same good sound from a software stereo compressor by simply slapping over the stereo output of the laptop software. I managed to get a better sound with the Sonalkis sv-315. I worked hard on the built-in Ableton Live compression but could not get it to sound as good as the RNC. I also tried the PSP Mixpressor but did not manage to tweak it to sound better than the RNC. This was because the Mixpressor is not multi-band, as the RNC is. Even though the Sonalkis is not multi-band it brought out all frequencies better on my main stereo output (live-looping rigg) better than the hardware RNC. One thing I like with Sonalkis is the minimal latency; this software compressor seems to be able to handle all processes inside its buffer. Anyway, I will still keep my RNC because it is small, light and does not bog down the laptops processor. And I like the hardware compressor for another reason as well: it compresses my direct instrument sound as well as the loops coming out of the laptop software. I prefer to run my instrument sound in a direct monitoring path to the laptop output and if I should use a software compressor on the software output I would miss out on the opportunity to "work the mix" in the compressor by my live instrument playing. When compressing a live-looping rig there is always a certain sweet spot level where you can play a little harder notes on your instruments to "push back" the general mix a bit, and when you go into mellow soft parts things like reverb and delay kind of grow into the open spots between your live playing notes. To use that performance technique with a software compressor on the main output I would have to play my instrument through the software, using "software monitoring, and I don't like that at all. So I'd say the software/hardware combo rocks (if combined the right way) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 13:35:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9062D3C084; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 Jan 2006 13:35:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:35:38 -0500 Subject: Gig Spam: Berkeley: Darin Shaffer, Joe Rut ,Thurs Jan 12 X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060106133538.4B2FF3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey there- I'll be playing in Berkeley at the Starry Plough (3101 Shattuck Ave) Thurs,= Jan 12, 9:00 *SHARP* (being a "school night" they're starting the show=20 on the early side). I'm opening, and playing a rare (for me these days) no= n-looping gig with a full band (2 guitars, fiddle, bass, percussion,=20 harmony vocals). We'll be showcasing some songs off my soon to be recorded= new CD and some old chesnuts. What does this have to do with looping, you ask? Well, next up on the bill= is Darin Shaffer, a live-looping bassist using the EDP. You can see=20 some video of him looping here:=20 http://darinschaffer.clickpoprecords.com After Darin will be the jazz quartet Balaclava, who promise to use "only th= e newest and most ancient compositional and improvisational=20 techniques". Spam over and out Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 14:01:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EE703C07C; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BBZfvpfQ6JoDwbglb0koqTWRtBhlqHlZ5uPQVy47OZqrZ8NIGXgofoVYL19EqmPA; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200615614753400@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:07:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403802aef49110753c130479a5439d3c0a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:01:38 +0000 (UTC) I saw him at Nightstage in Cambridge, MA for his Power Tools tour circa 1987. Life-changing music. I'll never forget it. I shook his hand.... really a nice, low-key guy who can play like a screaming demon when he wants to. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 1/4/2006 10:58:56 PM > Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... > > So he was back to his stripped down set-up, with his Digitech 8 second > looper delay pedal. he makes so much music with his hands, just one little > pedal like that is all he needs. He is really amazing. If he comes to your > town, he's very worth seeing if you can. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: Frisell live gig... > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazzfest2005/frisell.shtml - a real audio > > > feed of a frisell live gig from the London Jazz Festival, with > > > shitloads of excellent loopage. not sure what he's using for the > > > stereo ping pong loop thing he does in the middle... > > > > > > enjoy! > > > > > > Steve > > > > When he played here in Champaign, IL USA several months ago for the > > Wall to Wall Guitar Festival, he was using a Digitech (or was it DOD?) > > 8-second delay and a Tube Screamer, among a lot of other stuff I didn't > > see. He had the 8-second delay on a barstool and was hitting it > > constantly through the whole gig to make short recordings. Great show. > > In the middle of the set the battery ran down in his Tube Screamer > > and it started making hissing sounds. He handled it in a very > > cool way. "I have to stop for a moment because one of my batteries > > died, I'm sorry.." He changed it and then WITHOUT the Tube Screamer > > on, said "Can you hear the difference?" > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 14:30:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AFE13C087; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RlD2EogmE7MAXpDKzrw+Vwyyq0JwLlaGUAZc3sxaPXT0pOYfGeiJJBrmNvvrH5jl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006156143637450@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: practice versus reading instruction manuals Re: foot controllers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:36:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405ff2b50ed3109a200d2c167fad9368e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:30:23 +0000 (UTC) " That level of hassle has actually stopped me from buying a number of pieces of technology." Hear, hear! While I have grown to enjoy sonic tinkering with my digital toys, I have to remind myself that every hour I spend futzing around with menus and submenus is an hour taken away from my already-pathetic practice regimen, an hour I could spend working on a new song or working on my execrable alternate picking ;-) ;-) ;-) Yours in Port Wine Cheese Logs, Tim > [Original Message] > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: > Date: 1/2/2006 7:54:43 PM > Subject: Re: foot controllers > > If you don't have a particularly strong opinion on the matter, then maybe > better to refrain from telling someone they "ought to see a doctor" until > such time as you do. :-) > > As to how ease or hard it is to program a midi footpedal - the process you > describe with the Looperlative sounds easy enough. Reading threads like the > current "digitech pmc-10" thread (latencies, creating/restoring backing-ups, > programming glitches, programming manuals...) have left me with the > impression that midi pedals are generally not just "plug and play" simple. > Travis' posting (below) seems to corroborate my impression. That level of > hassle has actually stopped me from buying a number of pieces of technology. > > Perhaps the Looperlative design offers something new to this process. I > think that would be awesome and I definitely look forward to seeing it. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: foot controllers > > > Historically, MIDI control of looping hardware has required tedious > programming of MIDI controllers since the looper was inflexible in > what MIDI commands would trigger what function (EDP, Repeater). > > If there was a manual or comprehensive spec sheet online for the > Looperlative, this sort of confusion would be avoided. > > TravisH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Lawson" > To: "Loop List" > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:02 PM > Subject: re: foot controllers > > > > >>BTW - The affect in your reply demonstrates you have a strong > > opinion about > > this. Strong opinions are good. They demand recognition. Affect > > however > > tends to distract from points being made, and cloud impartiality. Do > > not be > > surprised if others, with differing opinions, "rise" to your level of > > emotion, too.<< > > > > david, not particularly strong opinions, just surprise that someone > > would suggest that they would not buy a piece of kit when the process > > was as easy as that. You said it, I expressed surprise. Neither a > > strong opinion, nor a high level of emotion, just amazement that > > someone who found that process hard was able to operate a computer > > well enough to send an email to LD... clearly you're beyond that, so > > we're all safe. > > > > ;o) > > > > Steve > > www.stevelawson.net - site > > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 16:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B2C3C084; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Fripp does Windows Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:37:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43BE3D84.4126.1C0C2D@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYSpreNQvBgxgUNQ7KvQ1MuVqt5/QAODkVw Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EuuaH0Kuz-0006S2@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:37:00 +0000 (UTC) You can actually 'lighten it up' with Windows Media Player's brightness and contrast controls. What I found interesting is actually hearing the difference between the acoustic sound and when you finally heard it from the speakers. Sometimes a few seconds later. Also, the commercial Microsoft design team seemed a little creepy. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > What an amazing opportunity wasted - can't see what he's > playing, any of his gear and the creak of the chair is louder > than the guitar signal! DEEP frustration. > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 17:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2401F3C087; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SBsukjctxxahv286rGw+SqJPVOf4ZV++c8mDK1KqEy8oNA24XN+ZjULXQkPLdMkPrGe6QqrGInGOhOpbXZaAlHbXOnZtS7Qn2d1KV3lNJw037dNn54piqEv7XviFSedNHWOADeeaxvGU0dej13RHbcnPAKVpFqSE4qdT1JLR7Xo= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601060945m43effaccn76504e64632eef60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:45:21 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tabla machines with MIDI In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601051228h533956d0ufe7939cd0be16e87@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601051127s358b01b1s19c52e354efd8faf@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0601051203p45b7349fxece4cf5945838a8c@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0601051228h533956d0ufe7939cd0be16e87@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) On 1/5/06, Art Simon wrote: > In re-reading my post I notice it sounds condescending. Sorry, I'm at > work as I write. I teach computer programming at high school, so I > write a lot of stuff like "Step one: do this" No offence taken, Art, I'd rather too much detail than too little any time. Should anyone care: I've established that the Taalmala Digi-100 *only* has MIDI in, and that MIDI in is limited to use as a sound module, it doesn't support MIDI clock to sync to anything else. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 18:40:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6C333C084; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4A389088-A0FC-4DFA-8ACA-90FC7CDC213C@boysen.se> References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> <4A389088-A0FC-4DFA-8ACA-90FC7CDC213C@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--648141026 Message-Id: <4da6e3f7c859ed4d3f96f17a274f190e@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:40:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--648141026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jan 6, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > This was because the Mixpressor is not multi-band, as the RNC is. The RNC compressor is multichannel, but it is not multi-band. I think you are confusing that with the "supernice" mode of the RNC which is multiple full band compressors cascaded serially, "Multi-band" refers to splitting the compression into multiple frequency defined bands and processing them in parallel. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-2--648141026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Jan 6, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: This was because the Mixpressor is not multi-band, as the RNC is. The RNC compressor is multichannel, but it is not multi-band. I think you are confusing that with the "supernice" mode of the RNC which is multiple full band compressors cascaded serially, "Multi-band" refers to splitting the compression into multiple frequency defined bands and processing them in parallel. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-2--648141026-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 19:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9B623C090; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <4da6e3f7c859ed4d3f96f17a274f190e@venetowest.com> References: <000901c61128$f916e8b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> <4A389088-A0FC-4DFA-8ACA-90FC7CDC213C@boysen.se> <4da6e3f7c859ed4d3f96f17a274f190e@venetowest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: Dominic Frasca's take is misguided Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:02:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:02:11 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jan 2006, at 19.40, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > The RNC compressor is multichannel, but it is not multi-band. I > think you are confusing that with the "supernice" mode of the RNC > which is multiple full band compressors cascaded serially, Oh, really. Thank you for correcting me. I'm not very technically interested, but I'm used to working with multi-band compressors and have always been thinking the RNC sounds like one. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 19:12:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 392203C08F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:12:22 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Using a laptop onstage: twisty little passages In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43BEC116.2000007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <00ed01c611ff$d266e850$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:12:27 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > It *is* from one of the old text style computer games, although it seems > it's gotten passed around between several of them -- almost like a > programmer in-joke. I first remember seeing it on an old Commodore 64 > version called Adventure (I think) but I believe Zork coined it long > before that. Ah Adventure, I think I had to retake a college course because of that one. It actually predates the Commodore 64, the first version was released in 1977, was written in Fortran, and ran on mainframes and what were at the time called "minicomputers". Zork shares some of the same DNA but came along afterward. If anyone is interested (and gosh, who wouldn't be?) there is a history of the game here: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/Articles/NZT/zorkhist.html xyzzy, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 20:05:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7E63BEB5; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Equipment stand ideas Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c612fc$83c78f30$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <003d01c612b4$e8cd4de0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:05:18 +0000 (UTC) I use the quicklock ws-550 with attached shelves. I wanted to use the = second tier, but sent it back because it seemed to require too much setup time. = The ws-550 is stable and re;latively quick to set up, the next quickest = thing to an x-style stand. The shelves are relatively sturdy and not sooo slow; = if I could find something faster to support a laptop, drumachine, full sized keyboard, and small keyboard, I would switch ... but I haven't seen it = yet. -- Sarth -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Equipment stand ideas I use some nice, wood portable TV trays. Not that stable, but I like = living on the edge... :) I have seen some TV trays that are more stable, = however. This works great if you are a sitter...I like the keyboard stand idea = for standing. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "hazard factor" To: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: Equipment stand ideas I need some equipment stand ideas, kids....I have a 6 space rack, and a small 12 channel mixer. I want to avoid lugging out more stuff that is needed, and compact stands would be better than dragging out a whole = caf=E9 table. I hate excessive setup time (and often don't have that luxury), = and want something that looks nice too. So, what do y'all use to put the racks on for gigs? I have used a few things... - an X style keyboard stand, with the mixer on top of the rack. This = would work great, as the X stand is light and folds almost flat. However, it = isn't very stable. I have never had it fall, but have come very close. - a small amp stand for the rack which makes it face around 45 degrees = up. Great to get to the EDP buttons, but then I have to bring a small plant stand for the mixer since it won't fit on the rack case at that angle. - I have gone to a small Behringer rack mixer too, although it doesn't = sound as good as my Mackie, and doesn't have as many options. I am thinking = about just going back to the Mackie. It takes a little longer to set up = (5mins) and breaks the 'more to bring to a gig' rule, but it sounds so good. Any other ideas I am not thinking of? Sometimes I sit, sometimes stand, = so it has to be reachable- at least viewable, so I can glance at the = displays- otherwist I'd just put the rack on the floor (damn LCD screens!). Some people use equipment cases, which are great, but I don't bring equipment that big to require a huge case. So, I am open to ideas. PVC? Luggage stands? TV Trays? Rope from the ceiling? Busty models? = (what an odd selection of ideas...) Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 6 23:55:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2178A3BED9; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bd01c6131c$a3ea6f60$a3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Intel's New Dual Core Mobile Processor Announced Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:55:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C612E1.F6865C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.intel.com) (http) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 435, in=207307, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:55:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C612E1.F6865C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check it out...just released yesterday at 5pm, with Intel's new logo Main page for processor, chipset, etc:=20 http://www.intel.com/products/centrino/duo/ad.htm?iid=3DHMPAGE+Sub_06ww01= b_R (includes tons of info on this processor and chipset) The processor page: = http://www.intel.com/products/processor/coreduo/index.htm Spec of the processor: = http://www.intel.com/design/mobile/specupdt/309222.htm Benchmark comparison chart for performance: = http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/benchmarks.htm Benchmark comparison chart for entertainment: = http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/entertainment.htm Benchmark comparison chart for mobile productivity: = http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/productivity.htm Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C612E1.F6865C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check it out...just released yesterday = at 5pm, with=20 Intel's new logo
 
Main page for processor, chipset, etc:=20
 
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Kris
 
 
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----549536224298133937-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:36:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B856C3BEF9; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43C39964.8080503@addcom.de> References: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> <43C39964.8080503@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: List mail filtering ( was: question for KIM Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:35:59 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:36:02 +0000 (UTC) > sarth wrote: >> I would agree with you if not for the fact that outlook on my new >> machine >> has decided my "move to" filter really means "copy to and mark as >> read" so I >> now get LD emails in my LD folder (marked unread) AND in my inbox >> (marked as >> read). >> I hate Microsoft. > On 10 jan 2006, at 12.24, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Thats very easy to solve: change the program, only benefits, now > drawbacks. Much safer, and all you'd ever need. (I use thunderbird, > it imports everything from outlook) Sarth maybe meant Outlook Express? Although I have not been using Outlook now for two years I think it has some advantages over the free version, Express, that comes bundled with Windows. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:37:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 848EC3BF02; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c615da$3f84f610$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <004101c61449$f0e49c40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <43C18F2C.40808@soundscapes.us> <1116.80.217.218.212.1136764285.squirrel@webmail.internetbolaget.se> Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:37:31 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Interesting topic, this. I'm doing a cartoon about a close topic this week. Especially on the heels of Sony's repeated flirtations with crappy protection and spyware on their audio CDs, and the RIAA's increasing claims of how the CD is somehow doomed to the fate of the CD single. Think about the fact that, when CDs came out, there was no anticipation on the part of music companies that anyone would ever be able to play the discs in a PC. Optical formats for the PC didn't become semi-standardized until the late 80s, and when the CD-R/RW format began to be used record companies were apparently caught quite by surprise. The RIAA had been caught up with trying to keep the DAT out of the hands of anyone not in the Big Five record companies; manufacturers of DAT technology eventually had to give up plans to make the tape format into something for more than backups and studio-class digital recordings, and the CD-R/RW sped ahead as an uncontrolled medium for everyone, no matter what the RIAA tried to do. The facts are, no copy protection scheme was ever imagined for CDs, and MP3 and P2P was never anticipated. The RIAA/MPAA groups have concentrated their efforts on the DVD as it emerged, but no copy protection methods have been attempted inside the US, but only overseas; no matter how incompetent they are at handling formats, these folks understand that a big backlash will occur against sales in the US if copy protection is used that gets in the way of people enjoying the content. Outside the US all sorts of experiments with Macrovision etc have been foisted on the public, to not much effect beyond not being able to have your VCR on while watching a pay-per-view movie. Now Sony comes along with their BetaMaxThink ("our proprietary tech is the best, we don't need to open it up, the public will take whatever we give them", and other invalid bits) and the Big Show is revealed for all to view. Simultaneously and with a nearly infamous absence of finesse, pundits have been sent out to shriek about the "end of the CD" in the same manner that was used on the CD Single. Fortunately for everyone else the CD is not dying in the least, but according to Neilsen, is enjoying the biggest sales in 10 years. So now that Sony's pulled a big one once again, everyone else in the RIAA will sit back and see how bad they get ripped for all this, but somehow I'm not sure they'll learn too much from it. Recording technology is already in the hands of regular people, and out of the control zone as far as the RIAA is concerned. Be assured that 2006 will have some interesting noises emerging from big companies in the entertainment biz, some of them quite alarming, though most I suspect will be just silly. From: "Travis Hartnett" > It seems that consumers vote for "convenience" over "fidelity" in most > cases. Cassettes could be played in the car, didn't need to be > flipped over every 20 minutes, and offered the option of getting a new > album taped from a friend for the cost of a blank tape and an hour's > time. Improved fidelity over vinyl didn't enter into the equation, > although I suppose they did sound better than 8-track, but they were > smaller and didn't have that track switch every twenty minutes. > > CD's offered higher fidelity, but were more robust than vinyl (in > terms of cleaning and proper storage), and again could be moved to the > car, and walkman as well as the home system. Plus, the ability to > instantly skip over a duff track was appealing, particularly as the > number of duff tracks seemed to be increasing... Don't forget bumps in the road of course. I found an additional one though - that of A&R people who always attempt to keep ones material out of a listening space by claiming that the predominant format "isn't listened to anymore". This ploy was used before CD-Rs came along, on cassettes, and has most likely just been rubber-stamped onto CD-R: "If they don't listen to it in the office, forget getting any further." The last time I heard that one most execs I worked for had DATs in their offices, the CD players weren't used that much except for stuff already in their catalogues, and cassette decks were just vacant of media. Now that every computer comes along with CD audio at LEAST, but most often a full-on DVD player (if not a recorder), so this line of attempted deflection doesn't really work any more. I wonder what the excuse for not listening to new material is, now? > MP3's offered much of the convenience of CD's with the added bonus of > decreased cost: i.e. nothing with illegal downloads. The average > listener doesn't really care about the difference between 128kps and > 192, but they do appreciate $0 vs. $15 (or anything). Plus, they take > up less space. I believe that the ethics of listeners hasn't changed that much from 1995, in that most folks don't copy or download with the intent to defraud; but rather with an intent to either replace lost tracks already bought, or listen before buying. Most people don't discuss this a lot, and the RIAA/MPAA would prefer to keep their fairy stories about piracy threatening Western Civilization etc in the prominent position of view, in the belief that over time we'll all succumb and just go along with what they want. > Some people have suggested that switching to DVD audio would offer an > added functionality (5.1 sound possibility, higher sampling rates, > etc.) while making it difficult for the average listener to make > digital copies (at least for the next year or so), but most car > stereos won't play DVD audio, and if people just want to listen on > their portable system (iPod or whathave you), then it's not much > incentive. I beg to differ on a couple of points here, though. How difficult it might be for the average listener to make digital copies, for instance. It's fairly easy to do, without much technical knowledge, so long as you have the software and hardware set up right. As for "most car stereos" not playing DVD audio, just wait. Five years ago CD players in cars were still quite subject to bumps in the road, now they're much better. Given the capacity of a DVD one can imagine how un-jarrable the drives need to be in order to play without error. Over in the UK cars are being touted as being "MP3 ready", just because the CD drive plays MP3/WMA discs. So we've still got a ways to go before DVD audio can be played flawlessly in a moving vehicle. This brings up the brief memory of the Quad version of Kraftwerk's "Autobahn", which came out in 8-track format in 1975, and was blamed for a number of accidents in cars that had Quad music systems onboard. That bit with the synth car sound that went between the speakers? In Quad it went AROUND where the driver sat, and caused knee-jerk reactions to what was only happening on the tape. > On 1/8/06, Per Boysen wrote: >> > >> > >> > 1) Should I bother to spend any more money on what the world can >> > already >> > get for free? >> >> >> But compressed digital audio files is not the same thing as the CD, is >> it? >> Are you really shure the "downloaders" was going to buy the record and >> now >> changed their mind beacuse of those crappy mp3 artifacts on their drives? >> ;-) Let's face it, when it comes to burning MP3s and CD audio, most folks are as non-descriminating as they have been with tape recording. I'll bet that everyone on this mailing list knows at least one person who doesn't know how to set the record level appropriately, resulting in one of two flavors of audio: too soft with more hiss than music, or too loud with more distortion than music. This same lack of ability has transposed itself into the MP3/WMA world, with just one example being that most people don't know how to avoid making a bad copy. How many of us have used Windows Media Player to rip from a CD while forgetting to turn off the EQ, resulting in an over-EQ'ed set of tracks that rivals the old tapes? End result? People eventually buy the legit copy to either have the legit copy, or to have a copy that sounds like it "should". Unless the RIAA starts having us searched upon entering or leaving a retail establishment, whereupon it will be necessary for consumers to revolt. Again. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:53:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D3D3BEFF; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ef01c615dc$80adcca0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060108221623.830FA8B14A@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> <01c301c61492$bbd05050$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <028c01c614c6$ca2aa3b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <019280B2-DBA6-4462-84C0-99D2E7C13535@boysen.se> <030901c61531$2677bd00$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6F659AFA-8846-41F2-82B1-FC2C041FFFAD@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:44:15 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:53:47 +0000 (UTC) The IFPI is what the RIAA's piracy group WISHES they could be. This Gang of Four has yearly announcements about efforts they're supposedly doing against piracy, what a threat piracy is to (fill in the gap, what will it be this year? "threatens local repertoire" was the poor example in 2004). If you want retail placement outside the US, one needs an ISRC code. It's a fairly innocuous thing as far as I understand, though it has the potential for real abuse given the absence of management such things garner. Remains to be seen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, 09 January, 2006 18:22 PM Subject: Re: Doing it the correct way (was: Putting out your CD) > On 9 jan 2006, at 16.27, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Intereseting. This is the first time I've heard of a ISRC code, seperate >> from a UPC code. What does that stand for? My CDs are on just about all >> of the digital music services, and I'm pretty sure I don't have one of >> those codes. And what is IFPI? These are alien acronyms to me. > > > http://www.ifpi.org/ > http://www.ifpi.org/isrc/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 11:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0542E3BF18; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f001c615dc$815bbfe0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: where's the money? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:53:25 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C615DC.769EE0F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:53:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C615DC.769EE0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Minor note on Brian Eno. The guy gots schmartz. Back around the "Music for Films" period in the = 70s he made the material available for free to BBC and I think a couple = of other British entities producing TV. It's one of the reasons why you = can't get away from his work when watching PBS today. It's also what = got him contracts like "Apollo" for instance. U2 on the other hand took = this ethic and combined it with a kind of "Rip-Off Britain" method, = which is why it costs such immense amounts of money for their concerts = (You don't think they give all that money to Bob Geldof, do you?). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: 3nki=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, 10 January, 2006 05:06 AM Subject: where's the money? with all this discussion of declining CD sales, "selling ourselves" = and so forth, i was wondering... it seems to me that most artists' don't = make most of their income from CD sales. there are artists like Brian = Eno, John Cage, philosopher-types one might say, who have managed to = brand themselves essentially and are far more well known than their = record sales would indicate. Eno said he'd never sold more than 10,000 = copies of a record. but you can find his name in any history of modern = music, and he makes pretty good money on associated activities like = speaking engagements, production, etc. plus, he gets to do whatever he = really wants without being restricted by thoughts of how much his new CD = might sell, thoughts of suicide at over-commercialization, or who copies = it off the web for free. or, take even a hyper-commercial artist that = does sell a lot of "records", for example U2. i imagine U2 makes = considerably more money on concert tours and promotional deals (film = licensing also, etc.) than from album sales. the record company might = make more on the CD sales... but not the artist. so, the solution seems = to be that if you want to make your own music and do the things that = interest you (music and otherwise) try and brand yourself and = sell/perform that. it can't be copied illegally or downloaded, whatever. = and it's tough for others to take a cut. plus, it's gotta be a lot more = fun. in this multi-media age i don't think an artist should be = restricted to the sound on a disc as a complete representation of their = work (which is to say, of themselves). make what is of value how you do = something and the ideas behind it rather than the resulting = object/ossification from one instance of that process. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Woody Guthrie: "This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright #154085, = for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin it without our = permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a = dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, = that's all we wanted to do." ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C615DC.769EE0F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Minor note on Brian Eno.
 
The guy gots schmartz.  Back around the "Music = for Films"=20 period in the 70s he made the material available for free to BBC and I = think a=20 couple of other British entities producing TV.  It's one of the = reasons why=20 you can't get away from his work when watching PBS today.  It's = also what=20 got him contracts like "Apollo" for instance.  U2 on the other hand = took=20 this ethic and combined it with a kind of "Rip-Off Britain" method, = which is why=20 it costs such immense amounts of money for their concerts (You don't = think they=20 give all that money to Bob Geldof, do you?).
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 January, 2006 = 05:06=20 AM
Subject: where's the = money?

with all this discussion of declining CD sales, = "selling=20 ourselves" and so forth, i was wondering... it seems to me that most = artists'=20 don't make most of their income from CD sales. there are artists like = Brian=20 Eno, John Cage, philosopher-types one might say, who have managed to = brand=20 themselves essentially and are far more well known than their record = sales=20 would indicate. Eno said he'd never sold more than 10,000 copies of a = record.=20 but you can find his name in any history of modern music, and he makes = pretty=20 good money on associated activities like speaking engagements, = production,=20 etc.  plus, he gets to do whatever he really wants without being=20 restricted by thoughts of how much his new CD might sell, thoughts of = suicide=20 at over-commercialization, or who copies it off the web for free. or, = take=20 even a hyper-commercial artist that does sell a lot of "records", for = example=20 U2. i imagine U2 makes considerably more money on concert tours and=20 promotional deals (film licensing also, etc.) than from album sales. = the=20 record company might make more on the CD sales... but not the artist. = so, the=20 solution seems to be that if you want to make your own music and do = the things=20 that interest you (music and otherwise) try and brand yourself and=20 sell/perform that. it can't be copied illegally or downloaded, = whatever. and=20 it's tough for others to take a cut. plus, it's gotta be a lot more = fun. in=20 this multi-media age i don't think an artist should be restricted to = the sound=20 on a disc as a complete representation of their work (which is to say, = of=20 themselves). make what is of value how you do something and the ideas = behind=20 it rather than the resulting object/ossification from one instance of = that=20 process.



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Woody Guthrie:

"This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright = #154085, for=20 a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin it without our = permission,=20 will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. = Publish it.=20 Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we = wanted to=20 do."


------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C615DC.769EE0F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 12:02:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 568C13BF19; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011901c615dd$bc574730$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> <43C26ECE.7060506@soundscapes.us> <43C39394.2040302@addcom.de> Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:02:30 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:02:37 +0000 (UTC) From: "Stefan Tiedje" > Bill Fox wrote: >> But I love music and I have to do it. > > Thats I beleive the point where ripp-offers get us always. Our love to > music will allow them to push us down. But we do have a big advantage over > them: We love music, and thats worth it ;-() Funny though, the real rip-off folks tend to be the folks at the Big Five who are apparently so adept at recognizing their own semi-criminal behavior that they accuse everyone else of same. > Thats probably also the reason to leave the business part to > professionals, but its really hard to find professionals which love the > music we do. (Just read the friendly advice of CD Baby about promoting > yourself.) Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you love music, become a plumber": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp08.xml Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 13:59:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FB03BEEC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=VzbUMQQCYju2X2dWndCxz1P+FmHs052p/BrXkM/oUvw4AQSWXZODEYVJxk4L7Ltj38zE/CfBFFYTq9+5spoeuygnnNL0oZ1dHxh4w6bZfALO1S+3qq8kTCDdgvfErnTemyxUYfAHTzaPPiIuzZVB4pBab8/jv/bC2/aoAVHPLSw= ; Message-ID: <01a401c615ee$1aab1fe0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060110083140.17560.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: genome Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:59:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_rLFHB.A.hmE.Q37wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:59:45 +0000 (UTC) It's surely known to some of you: www.pandora.com >From an artist you like, it's able to find other similar artists. Might be useful if you can get in their DB :-) Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 14:17:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D533BEF0; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67EB@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:24:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:17:00 +0000 (UTC) A thing that we do: We use a set-list. It helps us to be more focused during the performance. We split it in four sections. In the middle one of us will sometimes talk about what we do and sometimes just encourage the audience to ask questions about what we do or how we do it. Being adressed that we just let them know that there is a stand in the place where they can buy our cd's. Ariel Rzezak Bedelia U.C.E.S. Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: David Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] Enviado el: Lunes, 09 de Enero de 2006 05:19 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE Another good idea is to have someone, preferably cute and friendly :-), to sell your CD's for you while you play. Set up a table near the stage if possible, and have the person sit there through your gig to sell discs and gather signatures for your mailling list, then circulate through the crowd while you are on break or tearing down. We printed up vinyl stickers with our logo and give them away to everybody who signs the list. When my band tours, we try to have someone travel with us to sell merch, we've noticed when we don't have someone in the crowd and it's up to us to sell, we sell a lot less. My band has sold a couple thousand copies of both of our discs in the last 2 years, and the vast majority of them have been at shows. The next best sales have been via CDBaby, then we have a couple of cool local stores that carry our stuff, but in general, retail has not been good to us. Selling the disc when the customer has just heard your gig (and is possibly drunk enough to think you sounded great) has been what works the best for us. It's really variable too, we've played for crowds of thousands and sold no discs, and we played for an audience of 12 once where we sold 12 CD's. Perhaps the pity factor came into play. We have no conventional distribution, only CD Baby right now. We put our first disc online at a number of distributors, including EarBuzz, and CDBaby is the only one that generated any sales at all. So our 2nd disc is just being carried at CDBaby, for now. We do our digital distribution via CDBaby as well, which has really just been a trickle, I think we made $3 last month. In my opinion, until you're getting some national press, or have some kind of wide-based niche market recognition, conventional distribution and retail sales just won't happen. Our answer has been to gig as much as possible, tour as much as possible and build a fanbase that way, it's been a ton of work, but it feels like it is paying off, slowly, though. On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 10:50 AM, joe rut wrote: > My friend Lucio (my musical foil in Lumper/Splitter) read an article > once about CD sales at live gigs wherein the author suggested the > following: > > When you are done playing you have, as a generalization, about 5 to 10 > minutes to capitalize on any interest you have created during your > set to sell CDs. Set down your instrument, grab a stack of CDs, and > walk into the crowd. Do not walk up to your friends and receive > obligatory pats on the back about how good your set was. Walk up to a > stranger and ask if they would be interested in purchasing a CD, > holding one out towards them as you do so. Repeat as necessary. > > Now to sensibilities, this sounds a bit crass. I feel a bit cheesey > doing it this way. But when you are on tour, and need to buy gas, > food, and > lodging, and you to sell some CDs, damnit, you might try this. He > tried this when touring with his old band Ramona The Pest and reports > that CD sales went WAY up. He would walk towards people and they > would often reach for their wallet before he even said anything. > Remember, *playing* music is NOT the same thing as *selling* music. > If you want to live in a idealized world where CDs magically sell like > hotcakes because your set was so smokin', that's OK. But if you want > to actually "move some units" there are other ways to sell your CD. > > It can also be rude if there is a band coming on after you that is > waiting to set up and you leave your stuff where it is and start > selling stuff. > Maybe you can inform them ahead of time that you are spending 5 -10 > min selling directly after your set. Maybe you can have a friend > break your gear down for you while you sell? > > Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. It's hard for me to > use this approach (I use it sparingly) because I often feel guilty, > like I'm > putting people on the spot. But I've also had people buy CDs this > way, and then email me later telling me how glad they are to have the > CD! > > Cheers > > Joe > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hazard factor" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: LIVE > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:37:58 -0500 > >> >> And for those that sell them at gigs- what do you use to transport >> them? And >> what do you use to display your CD? Do you bring someone with you to >> sell, >> or do you wait until you are done playing and try to get people to >> buy? >> >> Currently, I have my g/f who comes with me and sits by the CDs. I try >> not to >> do the hard sell/begging thing during gigs over the mic, which, when >> I am an >> audience member, I can't stand. I carry them in a round piece of >> vintage >> luggage, which has some foam in there so the various CDs don't bang >> around. >> I have a laminated insert for each CD so people can pick it up and >> see what >> they are buying. I don't have any kind of display rack, so I am open >> to any >> ideas. Small and durable are the requirements. >> >> Dave Eichenberger >> http://www.hazardfactor.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 14:33:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE7F3BEF8; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060110141741.90381.qmail@mail2.nexpoint.net> References: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000401c61581$60bde520$0601a8c0@succubus> From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:17:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <91lKk.A.3mF.oW8wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:33:12 +0000 (UTC) I've been very impressed with Amplitube's processor usage for both amp simulation and reverb. I won't tell you i like their sound quality, but it's efficient and passable. I wouldn't dream of replacing a guitar amp with this plugin, but it can spice up a guitar tone...that goes for NI guitar rig 1, simulanalog, warp, and a few others i've tried but can't remember - I noticed they all used much more processor though. I use a seperate instance of amplitube just for the reverb unit...it won for live use after I tried many reverb plugins - freeverb being one of the least efficient. I have a 2.4Ghz single core fujitsu C, it's not bad but I can't run too many plugins live without glitches. The processor is between 30% and 65% usage (depending on how many notes I'm playing) running the following plugins simultaneously under Bidule: NI B4 NI Kontakt NI FM7 Steinberg The Grand Rekliner Loopy Llama Rekliner TremoLlama IK Multimedia Amplitube (2 instances) A bit more info at the bottom of this page: http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=16 Chris http://rekliner.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill writes: > I should have been more specific when talking about the multi-fx. I don't > need pristine or even decent quality, especially not from the reverb (that > is because all the reverbs I have been using in the last years were sounding > artifical on purpose). If a chorus sounds like it has been done with a > Commodore C64, then so be it. > From the plugin market I'm aware of, think PSP Nitro for people without > enough CPU power... > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 14:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1903BEF7; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67EC@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Boss DD-20 and Volume Pedals Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:48:22 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C615F4.E7247ED0" Resent-Message-ID: <5Gg2GD.A.mvF.Zd8wDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:40:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C615F4.E7247ED0 Content-Type: text/plain It will work. As far as i know but dont put it in the expression pedal jack. Just put it in the effects chain before the looper. Ariel Rzezak Bedelia U.C.E.S. Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- [Ariel Rzezak] De: grassysound@comcast.net [mailto:grassysound@comcast.net] Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Enero de 2006 12:30 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Boss DD-20 and Volume Pedals . I'm interested in hooking up a volume pedal to it, as I'm very keen on utilizing volume swirls with my guitar. Will a volume pedal work with the DD-20? Thanks in advance. Bill ------_=_NextPart_001_01C615F4.E7247ED0 Content-Type: text/html
It will work. As far as i know but dont put it in the expression pedal jack. Just put it in the effects chain before the looper.
 
 
 

Ariel Rzezak

Bedelía U.C.E.S.

Buenos Aires, Argentina

-----Mensaje original-----
[Ariel Rzezak]  
De: grassysound@comcast.net [mailto:grassysound@comcast.net]
Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Enero de 2006 12:30 a.m.
Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Asunto: Boss DD-20 and Volume Pedals
.  I'm interested in hooking up a volume pedal to it, as I'm very keen on utilizing volume swirls with my guitar.  Will a volume pedal work with the DD-20?  Thanks in advance.

 
Bill
------_=_NextPart_001_01C615F4.E7247ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 15:11:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB2F3BEFC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and compressor/limiter VST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:11:37 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001d01c615f8$29c72eb0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060110141741.90381.qmail@mail2.nexpoint.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYV8slKRhAurxekSS+eQ3jr4f1CEAABE8oQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:11:49 +0000 (UTC) I'll second your comments on the quality of Amplitube, especially from a features per processor load standpoint. For me, Amplitube is just what = it should be - a nice combination of guitar amp modeling and a few effects, = all in one nice package which is easy on the system load. I'm not a real guitarist myself, so I can not only dream of replacing an amp, but = actually do so. (sidenote: I have enforced a "no instrument amps onstage" law for my Eclectic Blah ensemble. Guitarists usually don't like this - but one of = the side effects is a vast reduction of sound level onstage, which in turn = has positive effects on the playing. End of unrelated sidenote). Looking at your plugin setup: do you really need The Grand? While my = quality requirements for acoustic piano sounds are considerably higher than for guitar amp tone (being a classically trained pianist), I have thought = about The Grand, but come to the conclusion that as part of a big sonic = texture, Kontakt's acoustic pianos are sufficient for what I want to do and less resource-hungry. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Chris Kline [mailto:contact@chriskline.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 15:18 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST=20 > and compressor/limiter VST >=20 > I've been very impressed with Amplitube's processor usage for=20 > both amp simulation and reverb. I won't tell you i like=20 > their sound quality, but it's efficient and passable. I=20 > wouldn't dream of replacing a guitar amp with this plugin,=20 > but it can spice up a guitar tone...that goes for NI guitar=20 > rig 1, simulanalog, warp, and a few others i've tried but=20 > can't remember - I noticed they all used much more processor=20 > though. I use a seperate instance of amplitube just for the=20 > reverb unit...it won for live use after I tried many reverb=20 > plugins - freeverb being one of the least efficient. I have=20 > a 2.4Ghz single core fujitsu C, it's not bad but I can't run=20 > too many plugins live without glitches. The processor is=20 > between 30% and 65% usage (depending on how many notes I'm=20 > playing) running the following plugins simultaneously under Bidule: > NI B4 > NI Kontakt > NI FM7 > Steinberg The Grand > Rekliner Loopy Llama > Rekliner TremoLlama > IK Multimedia Amplitube (2 instances) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 15:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C4173BEFB; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> <43C39964.8080503@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <269873A2-F406-4D67-8299-7A23E3E15FE8@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: List mail filtering ( was: question for KIM Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:13:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: b7fb34a4-81eb-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC) My Mac Mail filtering is just hunky dory. Problem is when I'm traveling and sometimes have to use clunky Webmail. I bet there's a way to exclude LD mail from my Webmail service...and that's probably easier for me to figure out than changing the whole LD list! I'll stop being so laxy and go figure it out.... -Zoe p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. Come see us! Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 15:39:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C89383BEFE; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1385.70.112.20.111.1136907586.squirrel@70.112.20.111> In-Reply-To: <001d01c615f8$29c72eb0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <20060110141741.90381.qmail@mail2.nexpoint.net> <001d01c615f8$29c72eb0$0601a8c0@succubus> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:39:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - Processor usage and the grand From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:39:47 +0000 (UTC) The Grand has a wide range of quality settings...its memory hungry, but not so processor hungry ad the mid-to low settings. Even it's lower settings sound better IMHO than any sample collection I've tried - I assume it's due to the synthesis of harmonics and such...also, sample collections tend to have more room sound than is acceptable for live performance (for rock anyways)... they are intended more for studio use and you can't 'tweak' out the roominess. http://www.satelliteband.net/mp3 <-- this song starts with a loop created live using The Grand (on low) through Amplitube's reverb, looped and reversed with Loopy Llama. That said, The Grand will not run at full quality even with nothing else running. My friend (www.kentondre.com - a studio) couldn't get it running under Pro Tools with a new Mac G5 until he got 2GB of ram. Steinberg intended the plugin to have a quality only achievable by rendering (as we later saw in the manual) which was good foresight on their part since computers would eventually catch up in capabilities. I think the "no amp" rule is hilarious...I always benefit through arbitrary excercises like that...it's funny how creativity can flourish when it's given an obstacle course to run through. Chris http://chriskline.com > I'll second your comments on the quality of Amplitube, especially from a > features per processor load standpoint. For me, Amplitube is just what it > should be - a nice combination of guitar amp modeling and a few effects, > all > in one nice package which is easy on the system load. I'm not a real > guitarist myself, so I can not only dream of replacing an amp, but > actually > do so. > (sidenote: I have enforced a "no instrument amps onstage" law for my > Eclectic Blah ensemble. Guitarists usually don't like this - but one of > the > side effects is a vast reduction of sound level onstage, which in turn has > positive effects on the playing. End of unrelated sidenote). > > Looking at your plugin setup: do you really need The Grand? While my > quality > requirements for acoustic piano sounds are considerably higher than for > guitar amp tone (being a classically trained pianist), I have thought > about > The Grand, but come to the conclusion that as part of a big sonic texture, > Kontakt's acoustic pianos are sufficient for what I want to do and less > resource-hungry. > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 15:59:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB13B3BEF3; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1FE4E84B-3505-4B28-9235-F624EB605E8A@earthlink.net> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <1FE4E84B-3505-4B28-9235-F624EB605E8A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <391c3cd7a8bb21779b787b2d0ec8e601@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 and Volume Pedals Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:59:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Make sure to get an FS5U to do the "tap in/ out" thing to set loop length. - Paul On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:45 PM, David Coffin wrote: > I'm expecting a DD-20 here soon, too, and I plan to patch a stereo > volume pedal in front of it, between its inputs and the output of my > guitar processor. Along with the T.I.P 3rd Hand > (http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php) that I plan to attach > to its feedback knob, this will convert the DD into a very capable, > fully foot-controlled looper, without requiring any use of the > control-pedal input. I'll have continuous control of the level going > into the delay, not just on-or-off input from the DD's switches. Go > for it! > dc > > > On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Bill Campbell wrote: > >> Well, after researching analyzing the kind suggestions from fellow >> mailing list members, I bought my first looping device: the Boss >> DD-20. I've only had it for several days, but I'm like a kid in a >> candy store with it, fooling around with its myriad possibilities. >> One question though: it has a plug-in for a control pedal, but it >> appears that the pedal in question is for changing tones only. I'm >> interested in hooking up a volume pedal to it, as I'm very keen on >> utilizing volume swirls with my guitar. Will a volume pedal work >> with the DD-20? Thanks in advance. >> >> Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 17:03:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8006D3BEFF; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <060801c61607$c5835ae0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060110083140.17560.qmail@web50514.mail.yahoo.com> <01a401c615ee$1aab1fe0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: genome Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:03:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 101, in=59618, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:03:30 +0000 (UTC) It couldn't find Terje Rypdal! What a shame... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:59 AM Subject: genome > It's surely known to some of you: > www.pandora.com > > From an artist you like, it's able to find other similar artists. > Might be useful if you can get in their DB :-) > > > > Ben. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les > tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 17:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5473BF01; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: List mail filtering ( was: question for KIM Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:04:19 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c61607$e89ad080$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:04:57 +0000 (UTC) ========================== Sarth maybe meant Outlook Express? Although I have not been using Outlook now for two years I think it has some advantages over the free version, Express, that comes bundled with Windows. ========================== No, really. Outlook. I have used OE and Thunderbird before as well. Never tried Pegasus. Too bad thunderbird doesn't have a nifty scheduler. These Microsoft email programs have pretty much always been buggy, in my experience. -- Sarth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 17:30:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B55B3BEE8; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: genome Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:30:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <060801c61607$c5835ae0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcYWB5Zego0sc2p6Tfah/nK8RjdB/wAAz8ng Message-Id: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:30:33 +0000 (UTC) It couldn't find any of my obscure favorites (hey, check out the Millennium!) but it certainly does that one thing well--has taken me = from Mamas and Papas straight to the source in three songs (The Beatles) and seems to be delivering copy written material to my hard drive for free, = all in the right genre--hey, it just cued Box of Rain by the Dead--thanks = for the tip. Gary Lehmann PS I am looking for someone who can sing the Cass Elliot parts from the = M&Ps for gigs in the San Diego area and beyond--probably no looping tho. = Contact offline. G -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: genome It couldn't find Terje Rypdal! What a shame... Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ben" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:59 AM Subject: genome > It's surely known to some of you: > www.pandora.com > > From an artist you like, it's able to find other similar artists. > Might be useful if you can get in their DB :-) > > > > Ben. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __=20 > Nouveau : t=E9l=E9phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! D=E9couvez = les=20 > tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > T=E9l=E9chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 18:03:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529CC3BEFC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:03:18 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another interesting article References: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:03:20 +0000 (UTC) CHeck out http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/10/060110164416.p4z0rnx6.html Essentially what was spoken of earlier how people don't appreciate music... ~peace~ Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 18:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F623BF06; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:09:42 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: CD SALES DECLINING? In-reply-to: <005201c615da$3f84f610$0207a8c0@eluk1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Interesting topic. I've changed my attitude on file sharing over the last few years. When = it first started happening, I was incensed. I've since become resigned, and convinced that there is no point in fighting the tide. I may antagonize people with this (but why should I start caring now? - = I've already had a 2-hour head-butting exercise over this with the CFO of a = small record company, during which he mainly equated me with someone who walks into Tower Records and stuffs CDs in his coat pockets), but I've = downloaded probably 4 gigs of MP3s using Morpheus. Yet, I quickly returned to the = habit of buying CDs, and rarely listen to my downloaded files. Why did I = download, and why did I return to CDs? I downloaded because, just like Stephen said, I didn't want to pay for = the same freaking song a third or 4th time. 90% of what I downloaded I = already have on vinyl - I could have recorded the tunes and then used a = deglitcher to take out the pops, but that would have been extremely time-consuming. = So I perceive that I had a legal right to a digital copy of the tunes under fair use. I just found an easier way of exercising that right. Other tunes I've downloaded have sometimes resulted in CD purchases, sometimes not. IF THERE WERE DECENT RADIO STATIONS, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DOWNLOAD *ANYTHING*. If I had an Internet connection everywhere - in the car, in the kitchen, etc. - I would never listen to anything but free internet radio (btw, is there a looping station on Live365?). Anyway, I have returned to mainly CDs because (1) the prices on Amazon = have finally become reasonable. When CDs were first coming out, there was = some justification for charging $16 for them, but that is *long* gone. I = don't have any trouble paying $12 for a CD, but $16 just drives me nuts. Go figure. (2) I grew up in the age of "concept albums", so I still have a charmingly na=EFve belief that entire CDs have a coherency and present a picture that individual songs do not. (3) CDs are just easy to take everywhere and play. In terms of the morality of file sharing, or music stealing, if you = will: I think of it in terms of the speed limit. Everyone flaunts the speed = limit, but no-one faults them on morality - even though the consequences can be = far more serious than denying a record company a profit opportunity. In terms of the effect on the music industry: if the major record = companies go under, it will mostly make life better for me. I think music as whole = can benefit greatly from decentralization. Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 18:44:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7053BEFC; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060110134429.o54atdorsw4goowg@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:44:29 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where's the money? References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> In-Reply-To: <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:44:35 +0000 (UTC) I recall reading a related interview with Pete Seeger many years ago (back in the age of records) Back then he used to encourage people to make as many tape copies as they could and pass the music on to their friends. He figured that in the long run it was better for him as more people would know who he was and would be more likely to come and hear him perform and also more likely to buy a new recording if they knew what he sounded like. I think this theory has worked for some more modern performers as well... Phish comes to mind.... they used to record their live shows and flood the p2p services with their mp3s. Last summer I was playing a gig where a German tourist became quite excited to see me because he had some of music that he had downloaded from the web or somebody had given him a copy of a copy... anyway, he bought copies of everything I had and I have since gotten a few orders from Germany due to his enthusiasm. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada Quoting 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net>: > i think you'd be better off giving away CDs to boost your audience so > you could charge higher ticket prices for your performances, rather > than trying to make money from selling CDs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 18:57:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AEEB3BF10; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060110134429.o54atdorsw4goowg@www.wightman.ca> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> <20060110134429.o54atdorsw4goowg@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21F8E4D2-FDE0-46F1-8B89-F05D6A2AF319@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: where's the money? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:54:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:57:36 +0000 (UTC) > I think this theory has worked > for some more modern performers as well... Phish comes to mind.... > they used to > record their live shows and flood the p2p services with their mp3s. Fans record and spread the shows around, not the band. And the shows are traded in SHN or FLAC format, not lossy mp3s. Just a small correction. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17CD23BF0C; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Intel Macs Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:10:14 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Since the subject had just come up a few days ago, I thought I'd mention that the Intel Macs just debuted today--which a lot of you may already know, I suppose. The laptops look mighty fine. Maybe more efficient for all your live looping needs?? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:24:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C3C83BF0B; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aK8MATsCpd5Wj3HDa6sKro3ibNNJiea19vn3oB0IZnsv4M0enD3PjQQPuUJmGjn5wez9M2QzF1zKGlYJTCq7dsuwGHGedTVtoZvRRIzuoaBOZjYfMq3+od1jfs9UuL1m+3WIYjT8WxvP5C33gqJ7mUktD53ZnqEOMXmjvtP2vPM= ; Message-ID: <20060110192447.50633.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) *sigh* so how long before all our favorite software is compatible with it and it all works with stability? (protools, max/msp, reason, etc. etc.) --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Since the subject had just come up a few days ago, I > thought I'd > mention that the Intel Macs just debuted > today--which a lot of you > may already know, I suppose. The laptops look mighty > fine. Maybe more > efficient for all your live looping needs?? > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79B2F3BF18; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:25:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: CD SALES DECLINING? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4J-J_C.A.4bG.yoAxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:25:38 +0000 (UTC) At 1:09 PM -0500 1/10/06, Warren Sirota wrote: > >Other tunes I've downloaded have sometimes resulted in CD purchases, >sometimes not. IF THERE WERE DECENT RADIO STATIONS, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO >DOWNLOAD *ANYTHING*. If I had an Internet connection everywhere - in the >car, in the kitchen, etc. - I would never listen to anything but free >internet radio (btw, is there a looping station on Live365?). The closest I've found is Eklektik Radio ( http://www.live365.com/stations/chromatosis ), but that's only because our sub-genre dovetails with the whole experimental/alternative scene. Previously, I've lived in areas where there was nothing but corporate radio, and it's nearly driven me bonkers. Now, I'm extremely lucky to be back somewhere that I have three really great college radio stations nearby which weren't compromised by (read: sold out to) the "Billboard Alternative Chart" (WZRD, NE IL Univ; WLUW, Loyola; & WNUR, Northwestern). All three do realtime streaming on the net -- WZRD from Live365, and the other two from their own websites -- so there's a another pointer. But, as you mentioned, that doesn't do you much good in the car... :P >In terms of the morality of file sharing, or music stealing, if you will: I >think of it in terms of the speed limit. Everyone flaunts the speed limit, >but no-one faults them on morality - even though the consequences can be far >more serious than denying a record company a profit opportunity. I can't stand the analogy record companies use to compare file sharing to, say, shoplifting -- most of all, because it's faulty. Outright stealing not only transfers goods to the thief that they did not otherwise have, but also *it removes the item from the marketplace and any hope of future purchase*. This metaphor would only be true if you downloaded the file, then erased it from the server on your way out the door. Digital files, it theory, can be copied an infinite number of times. So, I usually use the analogy that illegal file sharing is like copying somebody else's homework. Yes, you're getting something you didn't "pay for", but you're not depriving the original copy from the ability to fulfill its primary function. >In terms of the effect on the music industry: if the major record companies >go under, it will mostly make life better for me. I think music as whole can >benefit greatly from decentralization. Couldn't agree more! --m. -- _______ "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:30:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F7A03BF17; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Intel Macs Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:29:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 101, in=59791, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Do you have a link? I'm very interested. Do they dual boot into XP and the MAC OS? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: Intel Macs > Since the subject had just come up a few days ago, I thought I'd mention > that the Intel Macs just debuted today--which a lot of you may already > know, I suppose. The laptops look mighty fine. Maybe more efficient for > all your live looping needs?? > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:35:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AABB33BF1F; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <12260696-8308-47DD-B00D-767A4324FD24@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Another interesting article Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:35:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:35:26 +0000 (UTC) On 10 jan 2006, at 19.03, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > CHeck out http://www.breitbart.com/news/ > 2006/01/10/060110164416.p4z0rnx6.html > Essentially what was spoken of earlier how people don't appreciate > music... First I was horrified but then some parts of that article made me wonder if these findings really are unique? According to the article scientists are saying > "The accessibility of music has meant that it is taken for granted > and does not require a deep emotional commitment once associated > with music appreciation," and > "In short, our relationship to music in everyday life may well be > complex and sophisticated, but it is not necessarily characterised > by deep emotional investment." As long as I can remember there have been some people around me that seem to think that listening to music is an activity that should be undertaken in a certain emotional condition. They behave like "musical psychopaths", not really hearing the music but rather knowing that music is happening and thus behaving accordingly and showing what they think are the appropriate emotional reactions. So it's nothing new. Maybe the iPod revolution simply gave some sociologists a motif to look into this? Personally I think it's refreshing that a lot of mysticism around music is going away. It's refreshing that kids don't get affected by crappy music. I'm not sure either that all that crap out there will make them less disposed for enjoying certain music emotionally deep. Musical experiences comes from within, not from headphones. And I'm not sure that music can be studied as a sort of linguistic, social codex. I'd like to read more on that research, the article was way too shallow. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:39:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2DB63BF18; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3fYmTsIWpZ3igx0C4RIYzB1JMXMhx9ADDI64nBfH4t76OAjHilt24aKosTZzAkhBKdXP5u+sDZbbOvX49ppG7mG383tOl1Wjvd4lCZOjttQSE7vWWbJUrwoDZ17cT6phrmX/E5Jsj07TGRg8sMnBLMl82dIlUYJFdXPm8cMSNFQ= ; Message-ID: <20060110193917.37849.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:39:18 +0000 (UTC) just checked them out at http://www.apple.com. there's a standard called 'universal' which lets powerpc-based apps run on the new intel chips it seems. emulation will probably be slow as heck until they work out the kinks methinks --- Kris Hartung wrote: > Do you have a link? I'm very interested. Do they > dual boot into XP and the > MAC OS? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:10 PM > Subject: Intel Macs > > > > Since the subject had just come up a few days ago, > I thought I'd mention > > that the Intel Macs just debuted today--which a > lot of you may already > > know, I suppose. The laptops look mighty fine. > Maybe more efficient for > > all your live looping needs?? > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:39:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE9273BF2A; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060110192447.50633.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060110192447.50633.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A60472E-9787-41B8-8AB1-4BBA80FE422B@midway.uchicago.edu> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Intel Macs Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:36:36 -0600 To: rcw@midwickhill.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:39:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Rickmond C. Wong wrote: > *sigh* so how long before all our favorite software is > compatible with it and it all works with stability? > (protools, max/msp, reason, etc. etc.) I guess time will tell, but someone who works for Apple told me that so long as the Intel processor and the OS work fine together, then all the software will run the same as it always did with the old processors. And Apple has apparently been testing the Intels with OSX for quite some time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:40:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6B173BF32; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> References: <632303240.20060109203811@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--298944588 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: foot (cont) roller Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:40:45 -0600 To: LD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:40:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--298944588 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed something like the Boomerang volume controller ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > > I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that I I've never seen > somewhere. If it exists please tell me. > > I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't know the precise > english term). I put a (very simple) sketch at > http://matthias.loibner.net/files/contRoller.jpg > > It should have an endless rotary encoder and send relative continuos > controller data. > I think it has some advanteges compared to a pedal. > > When you switch the function of the pedal at your hardware or in > your software, the parameter you wish to control can have a different > value from the position of the pedal, so you need either to adapt the > pedal to the needed position, or as relative movement you might not > have enough way to control what you want. > The roller could be more subtle to change a value, when you touch it. > With a pedal I always fear to touch it too hard or accidentely. > > I guess a pedal is much better for controls where your movement is > part of the music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your > effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud do a better job. > > 1st of all: what do you think? > > 2nd: > I've got a friend and can maybe persuade him to build me one or two of > these rollers. Is there anybody on the list who could imagine to be > interested in having abother one. This is not an order. I even can't > tell if he will do it at the moment. But if he can make an amount like > 10 he is maybe easier to convince to do it sooner. > > Matthias (L) > > > > > > ___________________________ > http://matthias.loibner.net > --Apple-Mail-3--298944588 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 something like the Boomerang = volume controller
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Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:38 PM, numbernine@gmx.net = wrote:


I have got an idea for a MIDI foot controller, that = I I've never seen
somewhere. If it exists please = tell me.

I think about a roll (or roller, or barrel, don't = know the precise
english term). I put a (very = simple) sketch at

It should have an endless rotary = encoder and send relative continuos
controller = data.
I think it has some advanteges = compared to a pedal.
When you switch the function of = the pedal at your hardware or in
your = software, the parameter you wish to control can have a = different
value from the position of the = pedal, so you need either to adapt the
pedal to = the needed position, or as relative movement you might not
have enough way to control what you want.
The roller could be more subtle to change a value, = when you touch it.
With a pedal I always fear = to touch it too hard or accidentely.

I guess a pedal is much better = for controls where your movement is
part of the = music like a whawha, but for mixing or fine-control your
effects I can imagine a roller or a set of four coud = do a better job.

1st of all: what do you think?

I've got a friend and can maybe = persuade him to build me one or two of
these = rollers. Is there anybody on the list who could imagine to be
interested in having abother one. This is not an = order. I even can't
tell if he will do it at = the moment. But if he can make an amount like
10 he is maybe easier to convince to do it = sooner.

Matthias (L)





=

=

= --Apple-Mail-3--298944588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:41:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B702C3BF37; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Intel Macs Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:41:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:41:06 +0000 (UTC) On 10 jan 2006, at 20.29, Kris Hartung wrote: > Do you have a link? I'm very interested. Do they dual boot into XP =20 > and the MAC OS? =46rom http://www.macrumorslive.com/ > Apple has released the fastest notebook ever, dubbed the MacBook =20 > Pro, featuring an Intel Core Duo processor. Features of the new =20 > portable include a built-in iSight camera, IR Sensor, Apple Remote, =20= > ATI Radeon x1600 video processor, and a new, innovative magnetic =20 > power plug. The new MacBook Pro is available in two configurations: > > 1.67 Core Duo - $1999 > Ships: February > 15.4-inch TFT display with 1440x900 resolution > 1.67GHz Intel Core Duo processor with 2MB shared L2 Cache > 667MHz frontside bus > 512MB (single SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) > 80GB 5400rpm Serial ATA hard drive > Slot-load SuperDrive (DVD=B1RW/CD-RW) > ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory > iLife 06 > > 1.83 Core Duo - $2499 > Ships: February > 15.4-inch TFT display with 1440x900 resolution > 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor with 2MB shared L2 Cache > 667MHz frontside bus > 1GB (single SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) > 100GB 5400rpm Serial ATA hard drive > Slot-load SuperDrive (DVD=B1RW/CD-RW) > ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB GDDR3 memory > iLife 06 > > MacBook Pro also features a full-size backlit keyboard, AirPort =20 > Extreme wireless networking (802.11b/g), Bluetooth 2.0+EDR, =20 > ExpressCard/34 slot, dual-link DVI video out, Gigabit Ethernet, USB =20= > 2.0, FireWire 400, and optical digital and analog audio in/out. > > The MacBook Pro is available for preorder at Apple Store. > > Raw transcript of the Macworld San Francisco Keynote is available here > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 19:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC06F3BF40; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <066001c6161e$a7006a10$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Intel Macs Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:47:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 101, in=59813, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Cripes! 4X faster than the Powerbook G4? I believe this is going to increase Apples 3% market share in computing dramatically. It's about freakin' time. And with the Intel Duo to boot. Wow. $2000? I'd buy it. Check out their Intel Duo page too: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/intelcoreduo.html It answers some of the questions we had about single application performance improvement. Kris "You've dreamed about it long enough. Now it has a name: MacBook Pro. Powered by a dual-core Intel engine. Up to four times the speed of the PowerBook G4. Eight times the graphics bandwidth. With built-in iSight for instant video conferencing on the move. And Front Row with Apple Remote to dazzle everyone in the room. Wait no more. MacBook Pro starts at just $1999. New engine, same soul This is the first Mac notebook built upon the revolutionary new Intel Core Duo - which is actually two processors (up to 1.83GHz) engineered onto a single chip. It provides 2MB of Smart Cache, L2 cache that can be shared between both cores as needed. It delivers higher performance in 2D and 3D graphics, video editing, and music encoding. And the new engine is only part of the story. MacBook Pro has a frontside bus and memory that, at 667MHz, runs faster than any previous Mac notebook. It's the first Mac notebook with PCI Express, a Serial ATA hard drive and the ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 for superfast graphics performance." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Intel Macs http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ On 1/10/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Do you have a link? I'm very interested. Do they dual boot into XP and the > MAC OS? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:10 PM > Subject: Intel Macs > > > > Since the subject had just come up a few days ago, I thought I'd > > mention > > that the Intel Macs just debuted today--which a lot of you may already > > know, I suppose. The laptops look mighty fine. Maybe more efficient for > > all your live looping needs?? > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 20:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C773BF19; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q4wAeOIwVa6BXAdXGRTKMEeJ0Tc25dYZJPcDFezyhvuGtegddVVs6S06F7b6FjNcAUnvgOPLK/iGrao+gGSQR8wx9C8JKd1Z0NszS/RoUiYbUi0VIvwAUa0cjHd0/g/PNBuEWlDtBgo1P04HcunaJLPJ9MRrsfe7/sbRyuEP/dw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601101206h8f578b3g7ebda33c117e1597@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:06:32 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs In-Reply-To: <20060110193917.37849.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060110193917.37849.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC) On 1/10/06, Rickmond C. Wong wrote: > just checked them out at http://www.apple.com. there's > a standard called 'universal' which lets powerpc-based > apps run on the new intel chips it seems. emulation > will probably be slow as heck until they work out the > kinks methinks Once the application you're interested in ships as a Universal Binary, no emulation is involved (this is what us old NeXTStep guys knew as a 'Fat Binary'). Some apps are shipping as UB now, all Apple's 'Pro' apps (FCP, Logic Pro etc) will ship as UB in March. There is an emulation layer - called Rosetta - which lets IntelMacs run PPC code, but that's really intended as a back-stop. The bottom line: with Universal Binary applications no emulation is required on *either* Intel or PPC machines. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 20:13:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E8FC3BF16; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Intel Macs Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:13:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <7T6ru.A.0i.YVBxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:13:12 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 10, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Do they dual boot into XP and the MAC OS? not unless bill and steve have made up.... bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 20:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793523BF08; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BRosyjtWBXDFY49IJGWdXvHoymYkHImkPrAVJ/kllEbt8V0L6nqy8z4GH3xIBW6tWBgOCK79wLRqpo6xYEg0+HuEYMBmRAeFN3VPAdL3NZ//o5zSTYOd7uhB+7yGtlVzCS7B71w3voVV7ZpKhyfzsvBloxoai670FannUBqDOnU= ; Message-ID: <20060110204425.24752.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601101206h8f578b3g7ebda33c117e1597@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:44:27 +0000 (UTC) anyone know if max/msp, reason, and/or protools are currently shipping as universal binary? that would definitely make life a lot more... mobile immediately. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 20:52:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809A53BF00; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iVFwmB05QnJREuTJmKyYECyeDN9/iyYMz7RgRmIJt6GVhI8geH0YC0YWIfjpEKbmkdl/6JPTVckvO7u/M30zanwQIqbJ6dEhuJDgk8yR6OWB7si/6k5nXFql+xTR90gBXe06rZ+JAoVTXNSxa1/G1OwcIgTq4irLnO8KdL9DXXE= Message-ID: <64b81a780601101252g3635e9b1y938629ad35e2d511@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:52:10 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: filtering LD messages In-Reply-To: <64b81a780601101251i7328b712y9ad86fe87a1c1a31@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000101c615a1$cc61fe90$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> <43C3844D.22856.5C9CEC@localhost> <64b81a780601101251i7328b712y9ad86fe87a1c1a31@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7TcP9D.A.jdB.85BxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Or set up a gmail account. It makes reading LD and other groups a breeze. See . You may still need an invite in which case, just drop me an email. I've got 'em for the asking. Todd On 1/10/06, nick@12testing.net wrote: > On 9 Jan 2006 at 23:53, sarth wrote: > > > I now get LD emails in my LD folder (marked unread) AND in my inbox > (marked as read). I hate Microsoft. > > There are alternative email packages - I've used Pegasus for donkey's > years - as well as a powerful filtering system, it's fast, highly > featured and free! > > http://www.pmail.com/ > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 10 21:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 414FD3BF05; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m7X4drkEtFVIhAYcLB8fHCm60IAay04IMxo2tdNl+04KjJt/lipvSveYQpzKGxQ/EsSDZXesKIuI7akm4D43uh3dIOI6wmKAvDzA5xoy1bCbu4vZenkKc2GwF92oVVp+U2FZxQ9tBO/9MZE4EyNydKLPvPHrCivMzsSZZRnXafI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601101121m69b4b1a1td70cbb7b60022717@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:21:20 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Looks very cool. It uses the Intel "Core Duo" which is apparently the same chip as the "Centrino Duo" that was discussed here last week. The new MacBook doesn't get the 2.0Ghz Duo processor that's in the new iMac, or at least not yet. One would hope that Mac software will take advantage of the dual core, since there are no single core intel macs. From: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=3D/news/archive/2006/01/1= 0/financial/f103222S79.DTL During last week's International Consumer Electronics Show, Intel unveiled the latest generation, the Core Duo, which features two computing engines on a single piece of silicon. It was that chip the Apple decided to fit into the new iMac. On 1/10/06, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Since the subject had just come up a few days ago, I thought I'd > mention that the Intel Macs just debuted today--which a lot of you > may already know, I suppose. The laptops look mighty fine. Maybe more > efficient for all your live looping needs?? > > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 02:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C3E3BEE0; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.22b2de08.30f5c871@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:33:21 EST Subject: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.22b2de08.30f5c871_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:33:26 +0000 (UTC) --part1_13d.22b2de08.30f5c871_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I was wondering if any of you had any practical experience with any of the "mcro" or "mini" line mixers out there (ART, NADY,=20 Behringer . . . several companies make them). Anyhoo, I am looking for something very small indeed - maybe=20 only a 6" x 6" footprint (or smaller), with at least 4 chanels in=20 and one stereo pair out.=20 Any knowledge shared would be appreciated. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13d.22b2de08.30f5c871_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there,

I was wondering if any of you had any practical experience with
any of the "mcro" or "mini" line mixers out there (ART, NADY,
Behringer . . . several companies make them).

Anyhoo, I am looking for something very small indeed - maybe
only a 6" x 6" footprint (or smaller), with at least 4 chanels in
and one stereo pair out.

Any knowledge shared would be appreciated.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_13d.22b2de08.30f5c871_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 02:43:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 885813BEE9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <142.5479f2d1.30f5cab2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:42:58 EST Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1136947378" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6M1IG.A.CnD.2CHxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:43:02 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1136947378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm using a Behringer Eurorack MXB1002 and I'm very pleased. They make even smaller ones also. -------------------------------1136947378 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm using a Behringer Eurorack MXB1002 and I'm very pleased.  They= =20 make even smaller ones also.
 -------------------------------1136947378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 02:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4E103BEF3; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20060110214817.03c35c60@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:50:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? In-Reply-To: <011901c615dd$bc574730$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> <43C26ECE.7060506@soundscapes.us> <43C39394.2040302@addcom.de> <011901c615dd$bc574730$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78A62FCA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > >Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you love >music, become a plumber": >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp08.xml Works for me! I do plumbing repairs all day long so I can afford to keep up my music habit.... Is there a loopers version of AA or is this it? Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 03:04:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F5313BEF5; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20060110215849.01fafe20@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:04:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER In-Reply-To: <13d.22b2de08.30f5c871@aol.com> References: <13d.22b2de08.30f5c871@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78A62FCA; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-43C475B06206=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:04:22 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-43C475B06206======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_50574328==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78A62FCA --=====================_50574328==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78A62FCA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been using a Rolls rm65b for about a year now, single unit rack mount= =20 with 6 channels in stereo out, one effects send, monitor send, and inserts= =20 available on each channel. Very happy! It's been reliable and has enough flexibility to meet my needs. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada >Anyhoo, I am looking for something very small indeed - maybe >only a 6" x 6" footprint (or smaller), with at least 4 chanels in >and one stereo pair out. > >Any knowledge shared would be appreciated. > >Best regards, > >tEd =AE kiLLiAn --=====================_50574328==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78A62FCA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been using a Rolls rm65b for about a year now, single unit rack mount with 6 channels in stereo out, one effects send, monitor send, and inserts available on each channel.

Very happy! It's been reliable and has enough flexibility to meet my needs.

Paul Haslem

Ontario, Canada




Anyhoo, I am looking for something very small indeed - maybe
only a 6" x 6" footprint (or smaller), with at least 4 chanels in
and one stereo pair out.

Any knowledge shared would be appreciated.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn
--=====================_50574328==.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-43C475B06206=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 03:14:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99DEE3BEE9; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:14:10 EST Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:14:19 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, but I am really not looking for a rack-mount mixer.=20 I already own 2 (a 12-channel Roctron and a 12-channel=20 Roland). I am looking for a little "table-top" sortta thing -- maybe to stick on a tray on a mic stand. I have scant=20 experience with these little devils. I thought maybe=20 someone here might have a recommendation to make. I'm sortta thinking about the ART PowerMix III. Some of=20 their stuff is pretty good but the company aint what it used to be. I'm just not sure. there are several out there on the market these days. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, but I am really not looking for=20= a rack-mount mixer.
I already own 2 (a 12-channel Roctron and a 12-channel
Roland). I am looking for a little "table-top" sortta thing --
maybe to stick on a tray on a mic stand. I have scant
experience with these little devils. I thought maybe
someone here might have a recommendation to make.
I'm sortta thinking about the ART PowerMix III. Some of
their stuff is pretty good but the company aint what it used
to be. I'm just not sure. there are several out there on the
market these days.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 03:16:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7844C3BEF6; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003001c6165d$6cb61640$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> <12260696-8308-47DD-B00D-767A4324FD24@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Another interesting article Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:16:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:16:38 +0000 (UTC) << They behave like "musical psychopaths", not really hearing the music but rather knowing that music is happening and thus behaving accordingly and showing what they think are the appropriate emotional reactions. >> Hey that seems like someone listening to "rap" music, enhanced with a subwoofer, while bobbing his head. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Another interesting article > On 10 jan 2006, at 19.03, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > >> CHeck out http://www.breitbart.com/news/ >> 2006/01/10/060110164416.p4z0rnx6.html >> Essentially what was spoken of earlier how people don't appreciate >> music... > > > First I was horrified but then some parts of that article made me wonder > if these findings really are unique? According to the article scientists > are saying > >> "The accessibility of music has meant that it is taken for granted and >> does not require a deep emotional commitment once associated with music >> appreciation," > > and > >> "In short, our relationship to music in everyday life may well be >> complex and sophisticated, but it is not necessarily characterised by >> deep emotional investment." > > > As long as I can remember there have been some people around me that seem > to think that listening to music is an activity that should be undertaken > in a certain emotional condition. They behave like "musical psychopaths", > not really hearing the music but rather knowing that music is happening > and thus behaving accordingly and showing what they think are the > appropriate emotional reactions. So it's nothing new. Maybe the iPod > revolution simply gave some sociologists a motif to look into this? > > Personally I think it's refreshing that a lot of mysticism around music > is going away. It's refreshing that kids don't get affected by crappy > music. I'm not sure either that all that crap out there will make them > less disposed for enjoying certain music emotionally deep. Musical > experiences comes from within, not from headphones. And I'm not sure that > music can be studied as a sort of linguistic, social codex. I'd like to > read more on that research, the article was way too shallow. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3166D3BEF5; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.71] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202@aol.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:05:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 04:05:02.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[32B3E970:01C61664] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Ted; You might want to look into some of the old MidiMan (now M-Audio) line mixers such as the MiniMixer and the MultiMix6 or MultiMix10. The Minimixer is a "straight" line mixer (8 inputs which can be split into two seperate sections which can either be cascaded or outputted discretely; way adjustable gain selector for each input...but no rotary dials for gain or tone cntrls. The MultiMixers are either 6 0r 10 channel stereo line mixers with individual input gains, master ouput, and input pan controls (the Multi10 also has a variety of 1/4", mini, and RCA ins and outs for interfacing in various A/V settings). They can be found cheap on Ebay and work nicely....and are all smaller than a VHS tape. Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:36:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D4C3BEF1; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Jan 2006 04:36:49 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:36:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Downloadable Edison Cylinder Recordings X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060111043648.F046486B13@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey there- Not sure if this has gone around the list already or not, but it's way cool= ! Great resource for all musicians (and music fans). Cheers Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 04:55:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274153BEE8; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060111000206.01651a70@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:02:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER In-Reply-To: References: <1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) I love my old, quiet, first generation, Mackie MS1202 but it's closer to 10x12 than 6x6 inches. The sealed pots keep the dust out. The newer ones with the alt/3-4 bus (pushbutton stereo looping bus!) are even handier. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 05:10:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2127B3BEEC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:10:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060111000206.01651a70@pop.mindspring.com> Thread-Index: AcYWayCM5H8FgOPLQzan6WLBXdDL2QAAahFw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20060111050956.DWEX3131.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <4XAP3D.A.lg.XNJxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I hung on to my 1202 but bought the DFX-6 Mackie and recommend it for small mixer jobs--built in digital effects and 2 auxes, 5 band graphic EQ, etc. 2 mono and 2 stereo channels. It's not as small as the Alesis tho. Gary -----Original Message----- From: nick douglas [mailto:nickd@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER I love my old, quiet, first generation, Mackie MS1202 but it's closer to 10x12 than 6x6 inches. The sealed pots keep the dust out. The newer ones with the alt/3-4 bus (pushbutton stereo looping bus!) are even handier. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 06:07:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A11C33BEEE; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:07:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C61632.31677F00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:07:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C61632.31677F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I suggest the Hamilton Beach mixer, it has several speeds and comes in avocado green and harvest yellow. but seriously folks,Max is right about the older midiman stuff, a good value. Bill -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER Thanks, but I am really not looking for a rack-mount mixer. I already own 2 (a 12-channel Roctron and a 12-channel Roland). I am looking for a little "table-top" sortta thing -- maybe to stick on a tray on a mic stand. I have scant experience with these little devils. I thought maybe someone here might have a recommendation to make. I'm sortta thinking about the ART PowerMix III. Some of their stuff is pretty good but the company aint what it used to be. I'm just not sure. there are several out there on the market these days. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C61632.31677F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 I suggest the Hamilton Beach mixer, it has several speeds = and comes=20 in avocado green and harvest yellow.  but seriously folks,Max is = right=20 about the older midiman stuff, a good value.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com = [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 = 7:14=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT=20 - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER

Thanks, but I am really not looking for a = rack-mount mixer.=20
I already own 2 (a 12-channel Roctron and a 12-channel =
Roland). I am=20 looking for a little "table-top" sortta thing --
maybe to stick on = a tray=20 on a mic stand. I have scant
experience with these little devils. = I=20 thought maybe
someone here might have a recommendation to = make.
I'm=20 sortta thinking about the ART PowerMix III. Some of
their stuff is = pretty=20 good but the company aint what it used
to be. I'm just not sure. = there are=20 several out there on the
market these days.

Best = regards,

tEd=20 =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C61632.31677F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:03:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EDEE3BEF4; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <21F8E4D2-FDE0-46F1-8B89-F05D6A2AF319@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> <20060110134429.o54atdorsw4goowg@www.wightman.ca> <21F8E4D2-FDE0-46F1-8B89-F05D6A2AF319@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: where's the money? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:03:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 7:3:4199256193 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtUTHJ0dNAHEqFRymLmz5Xa/ZawYj9GV6sQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.122|smtp02.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:03:58 +0000 (UTC) only obsessive dead-head type collectors... i imagine most people =20 trade in whatever the cheapest easiest format available is, even if =20 it kinda sucks, like tapes or mp3. just my 2=A2 On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> I think this theory has worked >> for some more modern performers as well... Phish comes to mind.... =20= >> they used to >> record their live shows and flood the p2p services with their mp3s. > > Fans record and spread the shows around, not the band. And the =20 > shows are traded in SHN or FLAC format, not lossy mp3s. > > Just a small correction. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421303BEEE; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B42316F-5C71-4C1C-81F6-65339B142D9A@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:11:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3517126995 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtUTHJ0dNAHEqBZ1o8pNjbzZfbfD2kZVfug== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.124|smtp04.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: <9iuwFC.A.oVF.p-KxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:11:37 +0000 (UTC) there was a quote from an old folkie like woody guthrie, something like: "if you steal my horse i can't ride but if you steal my song i can still sing it." On Jan 10, 2006, at 11:25 AM, mech wrote: > I can't stand the analogy record companies use to compare file > sharing to, say, shoplifting -- most of all, because it's faulty. > Outright stealing not only transfers goods to the thief that they > did not otherwise have, but also *it removes the item from the > marketplace and any hope of future purchase*. This metaphor would > only be true if you downloaded the file, then erased it from the > server on your way out the door. > > Digital files, it theory, can be copied an infinite number of > times. So, I usually use the analogy that illegal file sharing is > like copying somebody else's homework. Yes, you're getting > something you didn't "pay for", but you're not depriving the > original copy from the ability to fulfill its primary function. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:12:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA993BEFC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> <20060110134429.o54atdorsw4goowg@www.wightman.ca> <21F8E4D2-FDE0-46F1-8B89-F05D6A2AF319@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F6FDEEC-3BD0-4037-9C6D-288B16F7855E@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: where's the money? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:09:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:12:22 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 11, 2006, at 1:03 AM, 3nki wrote: > only obsessive dead-head type collectors... i imagine most people > trade in whatever the cheapest easiest format available is, even if > it kinda sucks, like tapes or mp3. You might be surprised how widespread the "tape" (anachronistic now, I guess) trading community is now. Dimeadozen.org, for example, has its membership capped at 100,000. Dime and other bit torrent sites trade exclusively in lossless formats, and it's not just for Dead- heads. Thousands of artists are represented. Whether all of it is obsessive or not, I can't really say. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A5A3BEFF; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060111043648.F046486B13@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060111043648.F046486B13@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CDCDB81-AF47-4256-BE2E-AEBF7E3AF50D@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: OT: Downloadable Edison Cylinder Recordings Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 9:4:1937088333 X-MAIL-INFO:1ef44455f484c5b98485857d6451a9a4dda5659109c1a539146d90949194b0295050b9e5b984d114d17dc5b904fd34010081214d002540a9b4404545ed9dbdf015ede901153dc1890171153d4975740dbde90d00714ddda411002d200d0c208d818944f4f53d54f9cdfd55cdfde451fd195101e48054f909a499d584a014d0a1e0996d55d9ddc484d0b975f4f4c5c9fdfde081b120b14d114511f5358da9b43565e9b4c02d80f049c1600475b50c70300de5710df021b12d4d30350d3579f494559484c4b9c4cd64e47dfd6485f599317091a1d4a4399170d5ada5c51dd044e0506df4 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtUTHJ0dNAHEqLGsyeKZltO8uZRxnolF8KQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.122|smtp02.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: <8U4dF.A.mhF.YCLxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:15:36 +0000 (UTC) this sounds interesting but there's no link in your email... did you mean this- http://www.library.ucsb.edu/speccoll/pa/cylindersgenre.html or this http://www.rhs51.com/oldrecords1/oldrecords1.htm or this http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/edhtml/eddcalpha.html On Jan 10, 2006, at 8:36 PM, joe rut wrote: > Hey there- > > Not sure if this has gone around the list already or not, but it's > way cool! Great resource for all musicians (and music fans). > > Cheers > > Joe > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 07:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457A73BEF5; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Jan 2006 07:36:39 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:36:39 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: Downloadable Edison Cylinder Recordings X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060111073639.C6D10CA095@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:36:58 +0000 (UTC) What? Can't a guy type an email while undergoing brain surgery? Sorry abo= ut that. Yes, The first link you provided below was the one in=20 question. I'll check out the others as well. > this sounds interesting but there's no link in your email... >=20 > did you mean this- >=20 > http://www.library.ucsb.edu/speccoll/pa/cylindersgenre.html >=20 > or this >=20 > http://www.rhs51.com/oldrecords1/oldrecords1.htm >=20 > or this >=20 > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/edhtml/eddcalpha.html --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 08:05:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6423BF04; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.67.187.117] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <1a3.438c8ea1.30f5d202@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:54:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C60EA8.A23B55D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8hvHtD.A.e1G.NxLxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:05:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C60EA8.A23B55D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ted - I'm usinga lillte alesis jobby right now - cause it's small and = sounds clean to my ears -=20 I've done about 40 gigs with it - no probs - wall wart stuff = unfortunately but i prefer the sound to the behringer mixers - they seem = harsh to my ears.=20 Incidentally , the newer ones have a usb socket that you can use to = record straight into a computer which is dead handy. A mixer and a = soundcard combined - I saw one for =A385 ish what's that about 160 dollars? ish? C ya, (havent seen ya for years man where've you been?) Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A REALLY SMALL MIXER Thanks, but I am really not looking for a rack-mount mixer.=20 I already own 2 (a 12-channel Roctron and a 12-channel=20 Roland). I am looking for a little "table-top" sortta thing -- maybe to stick on a tray on a mic stand. I have scant=20 experience with these little devils. I thought maybe=20 someone here might have a recommendation to make. I'm sortta thinking about the ART PowerMix III. Some of=20 their stuff is pretty good but the company aint what it used to be. I'm just not sure. there are several out there on the market these days. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C60EA8.A23B55D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ted - I'm usinga lillte alesis jobby = right now -=20 cause it's small and sounds clean to my ears -
I've done about 40 = gigs with=20 it - no probs - wall wart stuff unfortunately but i prefer the sound to = the=20 behringer mixers - they seem harsh to my ears.
Incidentally , the newer ones have a = usb socket=20 that you can use to record straight into a computer which is dead handy. = A mixer=20 and a soundcard combined - I saw one for =A385 ish
what's that about 160 dollars? = ish?
 
C ya,
(havent seen ya for years man where've = you=20 been?)
 
Gareth
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, = 2006 3:14=20 AM
Subject: Re: OT - LOOKING FOR A = REALLY=20 SMALL MIXER

Thanks, but I am really not looking for = a rack-mount=20 mixer.
I already own 2 (a 12-channel Roctron and a 12-channel =
Roland).=20 I am looking for a little "table-top" sortta thing --
maybe to = stick on a=20 tray on a mic stand. I have scant
experience with these little = devils. I=20 thought maybe
someone here might have a recommendation to = make.
I'm=20 sortta thinking about the ART PowerMix III. Some of
their stuff is = pretty=20 good but the company aint what it used
to be. I'm just not sure. = there are=20 several out there on the
market these days.

Best = regards,

tEd=20 =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C60EA8.A23B55D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 08:51:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2D733BF05; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gPegwbUE+LWcKyDspsKL1qjPXGNhP9HU320QLXyrOcHn4yM0YtJObaK84pVi63iU; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:49:52 -0800 Subject: Zoe tour sighting... From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <269873A2-F406-4D67-8299-7A23E3E15FE8@zoekeating.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c08465ff5b5ce6633e68d01a54718cadc839d1b4ccd7d4ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.221.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some idiotic skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) breakaleg seeya staninsanfran on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening > the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to > LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on > Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. > Come see us! > Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) > Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo > Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club > Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts > Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre > Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern > Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag > Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues > Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre > Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall > Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's > Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's > Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 10:05:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E313BEE6; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EMIpn5MwdSlZoqeBlZCrKwBGSYq4c6PQtT+HxxiyUFGsEVkMU4Hbs1VAQil+VLGp62VyTX1nnEroOC5YwmUA2t2MBe/s3ud2xSM8J7hqtH0SUA4M2hcbUdlWVPx7w2p0uSv7o4RXA928EbglfyY+iRT3Th/OQfqjVaTCh1fBi90= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601110205w4c6b91f6s8a31154e4f9cfea6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:29 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs In-Reply-To: <20060110204425.24752.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601101206h8f578b3g7ebda33c117e1597@mail.gmail.com> <20060110204425.24752.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:05:31 +0000 (UTC) On 1/10/06, Rickmond C. Wong wrote: > anyone know if max/msp, reason, and/or protools are > currently shipping as universal binary? The other aspect, of course, is drivers for your hardware. MOTU has said it will ship drivers for its stuff by Jan 31st: http://www.motu.com/newsitems/atnewsitem.2006-01-10.6806188708 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 11:25:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38ACF3BEF1; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jEe0ubNHDWrbRAYMIiNGdDTHv41z0/IgIW0PDCLesK/ipQRbQ9I8FnVlCCQI8rlI0E9u0WR0mToKMt+FQscFFgDPRa13Lj9X/zacwtViqYyB8FNCzyZuICnr1dpo+bjGLK5jUMu1vYdsOKVFO34zgSIbGgyzQwnnXojhQ9kl3Fo= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601110325n4e01fa0am64b89e5935d366d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:25:32 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intel Macs In-Reply-To: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <064701c6161c$3d083040$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:25:34 +0000 (UTC) On 1/10/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Do you have a link? I'm very interested. Do they dual boot into XP and th= e They use Intel's Extensible Firmware Interface http://developer.intel.com/technology/efi/ which as far as I know is only supported by Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP 64-bit Edition (Itanium) http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/Serv= erHelp/6b03fad7-665e-49f3-8e7d-e1a6a5be9cf0.mspx But of course Windows XP 64-bit Edition (Itanium) won't run on the Core Duo processor in the IntelMacs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 13:00:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08EE23BEF4; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C50144.70403@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:59:48 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another interesting article References: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> <12260696-8308-47DD-B00D-767A4324FD24@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <12260696-8308-47DD-B00D-767A4324FD24@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > First I was horrified but then some parts of that article made me > wonder if these findings really are unique? According to the article > scientists are saying > >> "The accessibility of music has meant that it is taken for granted >> and does not require a deep emotional commitment once associated with >> music appreciation," I am not horrified at all, because, though its claimed these finding are made by "scientists", its very obvious they are not, or at least their conclusions are not scientific. The simple fact that we feel a lot of music is not really appriciated and then a study approves this is nothing special, but they claim that it has to be interpreted as such that in the past this was not the case! But that is not proofed and could not be proofed by this study. A scientist needs to be able to step back from her personal/subjectiv perspective. I think in the past it was not that much different. We as musicians are not able to even imagine that music isn't what it means for us. But I know a lot of people which just don't care. These have easy acces to music, but to conclude they don't care because they have easy access is just ridicolous. (sorry I do come from a scientific background and whenever I read about studies like that, its like if you read a critic about your music from an ignorant, who just does not know anything about any music.) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 13:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9C53BEFC; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:33:18 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: OT: Google (was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b001c616b3$959d5130$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:32:29 +0000 (UTC) m. - you remind me of my neighbor (an ex-cop) who was explaining to me last year why he doesn't use EZPass (an automatic toll paying transponder thingie for your car). He said, "Suppose you need to dump a body somewhere... The cops would know exactly where you've been." Of course, my reply, pragmatic as ever: "on that day, I'd leave the EZPass home." Still, judging from the number of people usually backed up in the Cash Only lanes, I'd have to surmise there are a surprising number of people who don't want their whereabouts known. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:50 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT: Google (was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) > > > At 7:00 PM -0700 1/9/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > >KEEPING TABS ON YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET > > > >I type my complete performance name in quotes in the Google search > >engine: "Krispen Hartung", plus the words "music", "looping", your > >instrument, etc. Try various combinations. Otherwise, it finds all > >sorts of pages with just "Hartung" in them"....not a lot of > >"Krispen's" I'm afraid. :) Then I do the same in the Google Groups > >search box. It's a good way to keep tabs on yourself, or boost your > >ego..one of the two. > > > > That's the same method my ex-wife occasionally uses to try to keep > tabs on me -- it's called Google stalking, I believe. And that's > also (since the LD archives are completely open to Google searches) > the reason why I can't post anything here connected to my real name. > Phooey! :P > > > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:03:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3AA3BEFE; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c616b7$b81c0c70$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00b001c616b3$959d5130$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: OT: Google (was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:02:53 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:03:19 +0000 (UTC) That's the assumption the cops make, ie "people don't want their whereabouts known," which implies that they have something to hide or be otherwise ashamed of. What I believe is that the above is rarely the case (like, with criminals?), and that most folks simply object to anyone keeping track of them, in anticipation of them doing something illegal. It is perfectly normal and correct for anyone who is not a criminal to take exception to someone acting as if they were on the wrong side of the law. Assumption of Guilt before proof of same is averse to the law of the land. I might also say that a majority of people most likely don't use the EZPass because they simply don't have one. It's like the difference between the 'cash' and 'exact change' lanes, isn't it? Do the 'exact change' lane users deserve credit for somehow planning ahead and always keeping their exact change in order, or therapy to help with OCB? I suspect that most folks just want to get where they're going, in a reasonable amount of time, without queuing too much in the process. People have known since elementary school days that Lines Suck Unless You're At The Front, and even then this can be a mixed blessing (say, in the Army). Undoubtedly a subject of discussion and humor for the future. Of course it would be useful for someone to look into the transponder's licensing of bandwidth, and who sold it to the company making or distributing the EZPass - but especially what conditions might have been placed on the bandwidth's licensing. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Wednesday, 11 January, 2006 13:33 PM Subject: RE: OT: Google (was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) > m. - you remind me of my neighbor (an ex-cop) who was explaining to me > last > year why he doesn't use EZPass (an automatic toll paying transponder > thingie > for your car). He said, "Suppose you need to dump a body somewhere... The > cops would know exactly where you've been." > > Of course, my reply, pragmatic as ever: "on that day, I'd leave the EZPass > home." > > Still, judging from the number of people usually backed up in the Cash > Only > lanes, I'd have to surmise there are a surprising number of people who > don't > want their whereabouts known. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:50 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT: Google (was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE) >> >> >> At 7:00 PM -0700 1/9/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> > >> >KEEPING TABS ON YOURSELF ON THE INTERNET >> > >> >I type my complete performance name in quotes in the Google search >> >engine: "Krispen Hartung", plus the words "music", "looping", your >> >instrument, etc. Try various combinations. Otherwise, it finds all >> >sorts of pages with just "Hartung" in them"....not a lot of >> >"Krispen's" I'm afraid. :) Then I do the same in the Google Groups >> >search box. It's a good way to keep tabs on yourself, or boost your >> >ego..one of the two. >> >> >> >> That's the same method my ex-wife occasionally uses to try to keep >> tabs on me -- it's called Google stalking, I believe. And that's >> also (since the LD archives are completely open to Google searches) >> the reason why I can't post anything here connected to my real name. >> Phooey! :P >> >> >> >> --m. >> -- >> _______ >> "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:11:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB83E3BF0B; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C511B3.5080804@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:09:55 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? References: <20060109010829.67567.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> <001401c614ba$d12f7a20$0601a8c0@succubus> <43C26ECE.7060506@soundscapes.us> <43C39394.2040302@addcom.de> <011901c615dd$bc574730$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <011901c615dd$bc574730$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: > Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you > love music, become a plumber": > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp08.xml I love this quote most: "because life there is so hard, music isn't entertainment, it's nutrition" straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:13:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E363BF16; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:13:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 78be6b60-82ac-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:13:44 +0000 (UTC) yup.... ...she'll be on tonight though... On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some > idiotic > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) > breakaleg > seeya > staninsanfran > > > > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >> Come see us! >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 14:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E613D3BF0D; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:39:03 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: genome In-reply-to: <01a401c615ee$1aab1fe0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ce01c616bc$c4fb15d0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:37:41 +0000 (UTC) This is great! Thanks for the tip. Just what I've been dreaming of (not necessarily for distribution, but for my own listening). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:00 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: genome >=20 >=20 > It's surely known to some of you: > www.pandora.com >=20 > From an artist you like, it's able to find other similar=20 > artists. Might be useful if you can get in their DB :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ben. >=20 > =09 >=20 > =09 > =09 > ______________________________________________________________ > _____________=20 > Nouveau : t=E9l=E9phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger !=20 > D=E9couvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et=20 > l'international. T=E9l=E9chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 17:03:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4D53BEF3; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... yup.... ...she'll be on tonight though... On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some > idiotic > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) > breakaleg > seeya > staninsanfran > > > > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >> Come see us! >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 17:33:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4FF3BEFB; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.107.165.71] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: past solo performance... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:33:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 17:33:33.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[250864B0:01C616D5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Happy New Year… Here’s an excerpt from a past solo performance of touch guitar & loops http://jeremyslater.net/lourossi/ Cheers & thanks for listening. Lou Rossi. http://myspace.com/lourossi >From: "William Walker" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting... >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800 > >Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and >tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it. >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... > > >yup.... >...she'll be on tonight though... > >On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: > > > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some > > idiotic > > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? > > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) > > breakaleg > > seeya > > staninsanfran > > > > > > > > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > > > >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening > >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to > >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on > >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. > >> Come see us! > >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) > >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo > >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club > >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts > >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre > >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern > >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag > >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues > >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre > >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall > >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's > >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's > >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 18:02:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E08B43BF00; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pCIfsUlxv1Lr7WExGw4p5sj8dToTXCpwx36xgx2qJktvYSTv9QpE5Jr3mUtExQnNP3kzEMdMSnTNlCAur70tceRRNQa7djX1PRph2U79ClNbSyMG/ziYUg5Gux0vKDkW4eiceRsJCjAK3L/CPrLtsnbHgbSWvYG9Er2RMIvY7JQ= ; Message-ID: <20060111180244.87007.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: crappy music of the masses To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1591334985-1137002564=:87003" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:02:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1591334985-1137002564=:87003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick of it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the fat greedy humans in buffet lines! angry about it, scary! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-1591334985-1137002564=:87003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 18:21:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0E73BF0A; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TSfQ2cyoIJ9FGeh2N7wOVbnd7ufU1oLXuVocNKyxBDMIM1JdfLhQJJxKoOetzKEoaM2kC/SNhWZoGkSsN40N23Q4+JIFiSwSmQe5pyD7ETJ28g3/XVh3PFo2s1LKKXJLnRN+efIcrm+4f+DuXPG2JjASlAWIEWT534H3Y2HkTjU= Message-ID: <64b81a780601111021x196f1919s82fa53c9110fe604@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:21:36 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses In-Reply-To: <20060111180244.87007.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060111180244.87007.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Agreed, d.s.. The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres.=20 Bleh. The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything from several thousand years of human existence and not critically thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of life. T. On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick o= f > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the f= at > greedy humans in buffet lines! > angry about it, > scary! > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > whatever. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 18:30:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9196A3BF07; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <39fea5c1ab33e1233c5c877cc0ae171c@venetowest.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--216764819 From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: OT: My partly looping related newsletter Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:30:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:30:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--216764819 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed I am posting my annual newsletter to loopers delight here since it has=20= some news about me, other loopers, and a new label that will feature=20 looping. This annual newsletter is a bit different, as a lot of my recent=20 activities have been outside of my normal producing and mixing work,=20 although I still managed to have my hands in about 20 or so different=20 records last year. RONAN CHRIS MURPHY ABLUM & SHOWS Despite being a producer, mixer and/or engineer on hundreds of records,=20= and playing on well over 50 for other artists, I have never released a=20= proper album of my own as an artist. Some of my previous projects have=20= been released on compilations or cassette only labels, but I have never=20= done a proper full album on vinyl or CD. That is about to change. I=20 have put together the coolest band on the planet: Tony Levin on bass,=20 Pat Mastelotto and Terry Bozzio on drums and Mike Keneally on Keys. I=20 am playing guitar, keys and singing. We start tracking next week!!=20 There is an online blog/discussion about the making of the album on the=20= web site Studio Forums. =20 http://studioforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1526095781/m/4941031151 Although its tough to fit in to my production and mixing schedule, I=20 have been gigging more lately including a couple trips to Italy for=20 some festival shows including a 45 hour non stop improvised music=20 festival, of which I played about twenty hours. VENETO WEST RECORDS January 06 marks the official launch of Veneto West Records. Our first=20= release will be a compilation called =93Destroying Silence: An=20 Introduction to Veneto West Records=94 distributed exclusively through=20= DGM/Inner Knot featuring Willie Oteri, Anthony Curtis, Lives of the=20 Saints (Ronan Chris Murphy & Bill Forth), Jay Terrien, and Hypnoise=20 with support performances by Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto, Lewis=20 Pragasam, Mike Keneally Jeff Gauthier and others. It should be=20 available by the end of January on the DGM/Innerknot web site. =20 http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/shop/ The label will focus on cutting edge music featuring great hard jazz,=20 ambient and prog from around the world. High brow music with a punk=20 rock spirit. We currently have 3 to 4 future releases in production.=20 http://www.venetowest.com/label/ HOME RECORDING BOOT CAMP My recording education workshops are still growing and are attracting=20 students from around the world. We have students traveling from places=20= as far away as Italy, Samoa, Iceland, Canada and even Oshkosh. We have=20= been doing mostly two day programs or 5-6 day programs but we keep=20 toying with the idea of doing a really serious 3 week program later=20 this year. The courses keep getting better and more interesting with=20 lots of cool guests. At the end of this month we are doing a very=20 special 5 day program that ends with a full day drum recording workshop=20= in the studio with drumming legend Terry Bozzio.=20 http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/bozzio/ We made Home Recording Boot Camp =93Stop Making Lame Records=94 T-shirts=20= this past year which have become a bit of a hit and people have been=20 buying them from all over the world. I just sent two to Finland last=20 week. http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/store/ VENETO WEST STUDIO My studio in Los Angeles is continuing to take shape and improve. We=20 put in a new large analog console which we affectionately call the =93The=20= Ice T=94 console since rapper =91Ice T=92 did his 7 Deadly Sins album on = this=20 board. There have also been big improvements to the Pro Tools system,=20 the mic collection and the outboard gear, and we even installed new=20 doors to make load in easier (thanks Jon Leahy!!!). Recording Terry=20 Bozzio at the studio later this month should be a good test of the=20 upgrades http://www.venetowest.com/studio/ LIVES OF THE SAINTS & BILL FORTH Bill Forth and I have been doing a lot of work together. I have been=20 producing and performing on his new solo album, which also features Pat=20= Mastelotto on electronic percussion. We should be finished in the next=20= couple of months. Bill and I have also been working on our ambient duo=20= project =93Lives of the Saints=94. We have been recording material some = of=20 which can be heard on the new Veneto West compilation and we hope to=20 release a new Lives of the Saints album later this year, and have been=20= doing a bit of gigging including a concert performing in a swimming=20 pool on the cliffs of Malibu. http://www.livesofthesaints.net/ THE KILLDARES After almost 7 years of talking about making a record together I=20 finally got to fly to Texas and produce an album for The Killdares and=20= it was well worth the wait. The Dallas based Celtic Rock band went=20 through some personnel changes over the last couple years and now has a=20= great line up including Roberta Rast, the latest Grand Master Nation=20 Fiddle Champion! We also brought in the great percussionist Victor=20 Bisetti, from Los Lobos for some overdubs. The first pressing of the=20 album we did together sold out in two weeks. http://www.killdares.com/ JAY TERRIEN I spent much of May and June producing and mixing an album for bassist=20= Jay Terrien. We threw a number of band ideas around but finally decided=20= that it would be cool to have an album of just drums and bass. That may=20= sounds simple and sparse, but not this record! Jay plays multi-layered=20= 5 and 6 string bass parts, and I brought in Pat Mastelotto to play=20 drums, who also did some amazing electronic drum programming. The end=20 result is a full and complex album. Word of warning about the following=20= link: Jay is a great bass player with a really sick and twisted sense=20 of humor, this site is not idea for kids or people that get offended=20 easily (or even people that are hard to offend!!). Why do I have a=20 feeling this will be the most visited link on the newsletter? =20 http://www.jayterrien.com THE BROKEN REMOTES Jon Leahy and The Broken Remotes were back in the studio to record a=20 new single, =93Lose the Swagger=94 for Room 206 records. The song has = been=20 getting quite a bit of airplay on the LA station Indie 103.1=20 http://www.thebrokenremotes.com/ KELLEE BRADLEY After several sessions throughout the year at Soundhouse and Paradise=20 Sound in Seattle and at Veneto West in LA, Kellee Bradley=92s new album=20= was completed, released and has been garnering very good reviews. It=20 was the DIY pick of the month in Performing Songwriter magazine and one=20= of the songs won the USA songwriting Competition in the lyrics=20 category. http://www.kelleebradley.com/ LOVEDAY Loveday, previously know as Printed in Slovenia, has been in and out of=20= Veneto West over the last year and we finally recorded enough material=20= for a full length album. Graphics are currently being put in order for=20= a release later this year. http://www.lovedaymusic.com/ HURRICANE MASON "It's Only Miles", the album I mixed for Hurricane Mason won the=20 distinction of =93The Urban Tulsa Weekly's "Best Local Independently=20 Produced Album"". This was the first album recorded by engineer Les=20 Moorman who also came out to LA to help me mix the album. A pretty cool=20= first outing for a new engineer. Hurricane Mason is one of the hardest=20= working bands I have ever worked with. They played 175 gigs this past=20 year. http://www.hurricanemason.com KING CRIMSON/ ROBERT FRIPP I think another King Crimson album came out this year that includes=20 some of my mixing or recording work, but at 15 albums or so King=20 Crimson projects I have had my hands in, I have sort of lost track. I=20= am however working on editing some Robert Fripp Soundscapes material=20 for an upcoming compilation. The few years I worked so much with King=20 Crimson and Fripp, aside from being a ton of fun yielded an incredible=20= amount of material and really helped make a lot of great things=20 possible for me over the years. VEME ANYA I recently started working with a really cool singer/songwriter/model=20 named Veme Anya. She had previously done more of a pop/R&B thing, but=20 her new direction has unleashed her inner rock chick and she came to me=20= to handle the job. We currently have one single done and are planning=20 work on a few others. http://www.myspace.com/vemeanya NUMBER:RED In the fall I mixed an EP for a great Los Angeles based=20 rock/electronic band called number:Red, they are sort of like the=20 later Nine Inch Nails stuff, but I have actually been enjoying their=20 stuff more than the new Nine Inch Nails album. I will be surprised if=20 this guys are not signed in the near future.=20 http://www.myspace.com/numberred VANYA KEEN Swedish pop singer Vanya Keen was back in LA this year to have me=20 produce her new single =93Freedom=94 for United Star Records. While she = was=20 here, she performed at the famous Cat Club on the Sunset Strip with=20 Bill Forth and I backing her. http://www.vanyakeen.com/ RUSSELL BARTOLOTTA I got to mix some tracks for a great singer and guitarist Russell=20 Bartolotta from Orange County. http://www.russellbartolotta.com SEAN I did some post production on the new album by the grindcore band=20 =93Sean=94 on Ladies Choice Records. They are an instrumental two piece=20= band with the best album title of the year: =93Singers Ruin Perfectly=20 Good Bands=94 I am about to start mixing a new single for the band this=20= week. http://www.ladieschoicerecords.com ALL THOSE I MISSED I am doing this newsletter in an afternoon I have off and trying to=20 recall all the things I have worked on in the last year, so my=20 apologies to any of the artists I left out of the newsletter. Its=20 certainly not intentional!! LIZ REDWING My partner in crime, Liz Redwing has been developing her consulting=20 business. In addition to her producer management work and helping me=20 run my business she has been using her extensive background in music=20 business (Interscope, Atlantic Records, Taxi, and several artist=20 management companies) to help artists with a wide range of consulting=20 services. http://www.lizredwing.com/ SPEAKING AND LECTURES Since I was busy doing some performing over in Europe this Spring I did=20= not get to speak at the SXSW conference this year as I have for about=20 the last 5 years, but I did get a chance to speak at the TAXI Rally in=20= Hollywood and lecture at several events in Italy and Los Angeles. I am=20= in talks to do training programs for some large corporations and=20 government programs next year. MIDEM Liz Redwing and I made our 3rd trip to MIDEM 2005, the big music=20 industry conference in Cannes, France. In addition to promoting several=20= Veneto West clients we also represented a few international clients=20 including Marvin Marvin from France, Nemesis from Hungary, Michael=20 Hayman from Texas and Mark Thomas from San Fransisco whom I also had=20 the pleasure of mixing a single for later in the year. JOHN RODD Home Recording Boot Camp instructor John Rodd who spent seven years as=20= the staff recordist for 20th Century Fox at the Newman Scoring Stage=20 (where he worked on over 150 major films) is now fully freelance as a=20= scoring mixer and orchestral recording engineer.=20 http://www.johnrodd.com/ Lastly just want to say a huge thanks to all the artists that have=20 given me the privilege of being a part of their music in the last year=20= and to the companies that help me do my job better including: Jule Amps http://www.juleamps.com/ A Designs Audio http://www.adesignsaudio.com/ Threshold Mastering http://www.thresholdsound.com/ Master Works Mastering http://www.master-works.com/ Shure Bros. http://www.shure.com/ Paradise Sound http://www.paradisesound.com/ Saint Claire Recording http://www.saint-claire.com/ Liz Redwing Management & Consulting http://www.lizredwing.com/ The Listening Sessions http://www.thelisteningsessions.com Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,=20 Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the=20= art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &=20 Cher) --Apple-Mail-4--216764819 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 TimesI am posting my annual newsletter to loopers delight here since it has some news about me, other loopers, and a new label that will feature looping. This annual newsletter is a bit different, as a lot of my recent activities have been outside of my normal producing and mixing work, although I still managed to have my hands in about 20 or so different records last year.=20 RONAN CHRIS MURPHY ABLUM & SHOWS Despite being a producer, mixer and/or engineer on hundreds of records, and playing on well over 50 for other artists, I have never released a proper album of my own as an artist. Some of my previous projects have been released on compilations or cassette only labels, but I have never done a proper full album on vinyl or CD. That is about to change. I have put together the coolest band on the planet: Tony Levin on bass, Pat Mastelotto and Terry Bozzio on drums and Mike Keneally on Keys. I am playing guitar, keys and singing. We start tracking next week!! There is an online blog/discussion about the making of the album on the web site Studio Forums.=20 http://studioforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1526095781/m/4941031151 Although its tough to fit in to my production and mixing schedule, I have been gigging more lately including a couple trips to Italy for some festival shows including a 45 hour non stop improvised music festival, of which I played about twenty hours. =20 VENETO WEST RECORDS January 06 marks the official launch of Veneto West Records. Our first release will be a compilation called =93Destroying Silence: An Introduction to Veneto West Records=94 distributed exclusively through DGM/Inner Knot featuring Willie Oteri, Anthony Curtis, Lives of the Saints (Ronan Chris Murphy & Bill Forth), Jay Terrien, and Hypnoise with support performances by Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto, Lewis Pragasam, Mike Keneally Jeff Gauthier and others. It should be available by the end of January on the DGM/Innerknot web site.=20 http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/shop/=20 The label will focus on cutting edge music featuring great hard jazz, ambient and prog from around the world. High brow music with a punk rock spirit. We currently have 3 to 4 future releases in production. http://www.venetowest.com/label/ HOME RECORDING BOOT CAMP My recording education workshops are still growing and are attracting students from around the world. We have students traveling from places as far away as Italy, Samoa, Iceland, Canada and even Oshkosh. We have been doing mostly two day programs or 5-6 day programs but we keep toying with the idea of doing a really serious 3 week program later this year. The courses keep getting better and more interesting with lots of cool guests. At the end of this month we are doing a very special 5 day program that ends with a full day drum recording workshop in the studio with drumming legend Terry Bozzio. http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/bozzio/ We made Home Recording Boot Camp =93Stop Making Lame Records=94 T-shirts this past year which have become a bit of a hit and people have been buying them from all over the world. I just sent two to Finland last week. http://www.homerecordingbootcamp.com/store/ VENETO WEST STUDIO My studio in Los Angeles is continuing to take shape and improve. We put in a new large analog console which we affectionately call the =93The Ice T=94 console since rapper =91Ice T=92 did his 7 Deadly Sins = album on this board. There have also been big improvements to the Pro Tools system, the mic collection and the outboard gear, and we even installed new doors to make load in easier (thanks Jon Leahy!!!). Recording Terry Bozzio at the studio later this month should be a good test of the upgrades http://www.venetowest.com/studio/ LIVES OF THE SAINTS & BILL FORTH Bill Forth and I have been doing a lot of work together. I have been producing and performing on his new solo album, which also features Pat Mastelotto on electronic percussion. We should be finished in the next couple of months. Bill and I have also been working on our ambient duo project =93Lives of the Saints=94. We have been recording material some of which can be heard on the new Veneto West compilation and we hope to release a new Lives of the Saints album later this year, and have been doing a bit of gigging including a concert performing in a swimming pool on the cliffs of Malibu. http://www.livesofthesaints.net/ THE KILLDARES After almost 7 years of talking about making a record together I finally got to fly to Texas and produce an album for The Killdares and it was well worth the wait. The Dallas based Celtic Rock band went through some personnel changes over the last couple years and now has a great line up including Roberta Rast, the latest Grand Master Nation Fiddle Champion! We also brought in the great percussionist Victor Bisetti, from Los Lobos for some overdubs. The first pressing of the album we did together sold out in two weeks. http://www.killdares.com/ JAY TERRIEN I spent much of May and June producing and mixing an album for bassist Jay Terrien. We threw a number of band ideas around but finally decided that it would be cool to have an album of just drums and bass. That may sounds simple and sparse, but not this record! Jay plays multi-layered 5 and 6 string bass parts, and I brought in Pat Mastelotto to play drums, who also did some amazing electronic drum programming. The end result is a full and complex album. Word of warning about the following link: Jay is a great bass player with a really sick and twisted sense of humor, this site is not idea for kids or people that get offended easily (or even people that are hard to offend!!). Why do I have a feeling this will be the most visited link on the newsletter? http://www.jayterrien.com THE BROKEN REMOTES Jon Leahy and The Broken Remotes were back in the studio to record a new single, =93Lose the Swagger=94 for Room 206 records. The song has = been getting quite a bit of airplay on the LA station Indie 103.1 http://www.thebrokenremotes.com/ KELLEE BRADLEY After several sessions throughout the year at Soundhouse and Paradise Sound in Seattle and at Veneto West in LA, Kellee Bradley=92s new album was completed, released and has been garnering very good reviews. It was the DIY pick of the month in Performing Songwriter magazine and one of the songs won the USA songwriting Competition in the lyrics category. http://www.kelleebradley.com/ LOVEDAY Loveday, previously know as Printed in Slovenia, has been in and out of Veneto West over the last year and we finally recorded enough material for a full length album. Graphics are currently being put in order for a release later this year. http://www.lovedaymusic.com/ HURRICANE MASON "It's Only Miles", the album I mixed for Hurricane Mason won the distinction of =93The Urban Tulsa Weekly's "Best Local Independently Produced Album"". This was the first album recorded by engineer Les Moorman who also came out to LA to help me mix the album. A pretty cool first outing for a new engineer. Hurricane Mason is one of the hardest working bands I have ever worked with. They played 175 gigs this past year. http://www.hurricanemason.com KING CRIMSON/ ROBERT FRIPP I think another King Crimson album came out this year that includes some of my mixing or recording work, but at 15 albums or so King Crimson projects I have had my hands in, I have sort of lost track. I am however working on editing some Robert Fripp Soundscapes material for an upcoming compilation. The few years I worked so much with King Crimson and Fripp, aside from being a ton of fun yielded an incredible amount of material and really helped make a lot of great things possible for me over the years.=20 VEME ANYA I recently started working with a really cool singer/songwriter/model named Veme Anya. She had previously done more of a pop/R&B thing, but her new direction has unleashed her inner rock chick and she came to me to handle the job. We currently have one single done and are planning work on a few others. http://www.myspace.com/vemeanya NUMBER:RED In the fall I mixed an EP for a great Los Angeles based rock/electronic band called number:Red, they are sort of like the later Nine Inch Nails stuff, but I have actually been enjoying their stuff more than the new Nine Inch Nails album. I will be surprised if this guys are not signed in the near future. http://www.myspace.com/numberred VANYA KEEN Swedish pop singer Vanya Keen was back in LA this year to have me produce her new single =93Freedom=94 for United Star Records. While she was here, she performed at the famous Cat Club on the Sunset Strip with Bill Forth and I backing her. http://www.vanyakeen.com/ RUSSELL BARTOLOTTA I got to mix some tracks for a great singer and guitarist Russell Bartolotta from Orange County. http://www.russellbartolotta.com SEAN I did some post production on the new album by the grindcore band =93Sean=94 on Ladies Choice Records. They are an instrumental two piece band with the best album title of the year: =93Singers Ruin Perfectly Good Bands=94 I am about to start mixing a new single for the band this week. http://www.ladieschoicerecords.com ALL THOSE I MISSED I am doing this newsletter in an afternoon I have off and trying to recall all the things I have worked on in the last year, so my apologies to any of the artists I left out of the newsletter. Its certainly not intentional!! LIZ REDWING My partner in crime, Liz Redwing has been developing her consulting business. In addition to her producer management work and helping me run my business she has been using her extensive background in music business (Interscope, Atlantic Records, Taxi, and several artist management companies) to help artists with a wide range of consulting services. http://www.lizredwing.com/ SPEAKING AND LECTURES Since I was busy doing some performing over in Europe this Spring I did not get to speak at the SXSW conference this year as I have for about the last 5 years, but I did get a chance to speak at the TAXI Rally in Hollywood and lecture at several events in Italy and Los Angeles. I am in talks to do training programs for some large corporations and government programs next year. MIDEM Liz Redwing and I made our 3rd trip to MIDEM 2005, the big music industry conference in Cannes, France. In addition to promoting several Veneto West clients we also represented a few international clients including Marvin Marvin from France, Nemesis from Hungary, Michael Hayman from Texas and Mark Thomas from San Fransisco whom I also had the pleasure of mixing a single for later in the year.=20 JOHN RODD Home Recording Boot Camp instructor John Rodd who spent seven years as the staff recordist for 20th Century Fox at the Newman Scoring Stage (where he worked on over 150 major films) is now fully freelance as a scoring mixer and orchestral recording engineer. http://www.johnrodd.com/ Lastly just want to say a huge thanks to all the artists that have given me the privilege of being a part of their music in the last year and to the companies that help me do my job better including: Jule Amps http://www.juleamps.com/ A Designs Audio http://www.adesignsaudio.com/ Threshold Mastering http://www.thresholdsound.com/ Master Works Mastering http://www.master-works.com/ Shure Bros. http://www.shure.com/ Paradise Sound http://www.paradisesound.com/ Saint Claire Recording http://www.saint-claire.com/ Liz Redwing Management & Consulting http://www.lizredwing.com/ The Listening Sessions http://www.thelisteningsessions.com Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-4--216764819-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 18:40:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA4C3BF1D; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: My partly looping related newsletter Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:40:38 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c616de$8508e020$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <39fea5c1ab33e1233c5c877cc0ae171c@venetowest.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYW3SH20JPK89Z7Q7SHbF0a4vFkNwAAS83Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Ronan, thanks for your lengthy newsletter. Let me just inquire: what happened to Veneto West Radio? I remember two shows, both of them featuring loopers as studio guests (Andre LaFosse, Tom Heasley), but haven't found any new shows since. Have you stopped doing that? A pity... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:03:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA8F33BF02; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: pandora/music genome project - observations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:03:05 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001101c616e1$a7511780$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYW4abnXOeFYZp+RM2Ev88UjQfY+Q== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:03:11 +0000 (UTC) I recently listened to this service, and also gave it a few tough tasks, like creating a "John Zorn Radio". The parameters it extracted for the first choice was "prominent bass playing, groovy rhythms, modal harmonies" ;) After some very different suggestions (Nels Cline Singers, David Krakauer, 70ies Miles Davis, Sun Ra), I reached a point where it displayed "Our music license only allows us to skip a certain number of tunes per hour". Interesting license they got... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:05:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EDAA3BF06; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67F2@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:13:22 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8Gd8eD.A.MZD.1bVxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I am Ariel, a looper from Argentina. From an argentinian musician point = of view: There is a joke here (mm, i dont know hot to put this in english, maybe "gag", not exactly a "joke" but..) Someone asks you. Q)What do you do for your living?=20 A)I play music. Q)And BESIDES that? Drums fill... My half penny. I need to save for strings :) Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 11:10 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Stephen Goodman wrote: > Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you=20 > love music, become a plumber": > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=3D/arts/2005/12/08/bmfrip= p08.xm l=20 I love this quote most: "because life there is so hard, music isn't entertainment, it's = nutrition" straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... 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Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:14:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2895D3BF22; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005f01c616e3$3cbb1a40$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: where's the money? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:12:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:14:27 +0000 (UTC) >only obsessive dead-head type collectors... i imagine most people trade in >whatever the cheapest easiest format available is, even if it kinda sucks, >like tapes or mp3. Not quiet true. With broadband and bittorrent it's reasonably easy and fast to get high quality recordings. all the traders I know want lossless files. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:03 AM Subject: Re: where's the money? only obsessive dead-head type collectors... i imagine most people trade in whatever the cheapest easiest format available is, even if it kinda sucks, like tapes or mp3. just my 2¢ On Jan 10, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> I think this theory has worked >> for some more modern performers as well... Phish comes to mind.... they >> used to >> record their live shows and flood the p2p services with their mp3s. > > Fans record and spread the shows around, not the band. And the shows are > traded in SHN or FLAC format, not lossy mp3s. > > Just a small correction. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:16:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCE953BF21; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <64b81a780601111021x196f1919s82fa53c9110fe604@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYW2+Tdqo+oJGuOS5mTJG4YW9/AqQAB5zsQ Message-Id: <20060111191653.3408B3BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2YDnqD.A.O8D.mmVxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:16:54 +0000 (UTC) That's some kind of looping though... -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] Sent: 11 January 2006 18:22 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Agreed, d.s.. The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. Bleh. The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything from several thousand years of human existence and not critically thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of life. T. On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im > sick of it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap > music...the mindless rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop > music aimed at kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all > and feed em to the fat greedy humans in buffet lines! > angry about it, > scary! > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, > holidays, whatever. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:31:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A86753BF29; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The Joke (was: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING?) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:30:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67F2@earth.uces.edu.ar> Thread-Index: AcYW4ZFuwttMU6GTSlCl67iwHU5ibwAA42rQ Message-Id: <20060111192948.VJXT6244.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the comment I hear is, "So what do you do during the day?" The actual joke is,=20 Q) What do you call a musician without a girlfriend? A) Homeless Gary -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@uces.edu.ar]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:13 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Hi, I am Ariel, a looper from Argentina. From an argentinian musician point = of view: There is a joke here (mm, i dont know hot to put this in english, maybe "gag", not exactly a "joke" but..) Someone asks you. Q)What do you do for your living?=20 A)I play music. Q)And BESIDES that? Drums fill... My half penny. I need to save for strings :) Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 11:10 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Stephen Goodman wrote: > Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you=20 > love music, become a plumber": > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=3D/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp= 08.xm l=20 I love this quote most: "because life there is so hard, music isn't entertainment, it's = nutrition" straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:32:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B3043BF13; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07f501c616e5$b1090cc0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: past solo performance... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:31:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 437, in=194319, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Nice clip...some big and gargantuan tones in there....some reverse and recording on half speed at the beginning? Reminds me of getting dragged by my feet through the bowls of an alien spacecraft by some maniacal and devious Saurian Grey, who has nothing better to do than pin my eyes open and shove a medical exploratory probe up my a....... :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: past solo performance... > Happy New Year. > > Here's an excerpt from a past solo performance of touch guitar & loops > > http://jeremyslater.net/lourossi/ > > > Cheers & thanks for listening. > Lou Rossi. > http://myspace.com/lourossi > > > >>From: "William Walker" >>Reply-To: >>To: >>Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting... >>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800 >> >>Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and >>tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it. >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... >> >> >>yup.... >>...she'll be on tonight though... >> >>On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: >> >> > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >> > idiotic >> > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >> > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >> > breakaleg >> > seeya >> > staninsanfran >> > >> > >> > >> > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >> > >> >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >> >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >> >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >> >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >> >> Come see us! >> >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >> >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >> >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >> >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >> >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >> >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >> >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >> >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >> >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >> >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >> >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >> >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >> >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D35D3BF2D; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.10.178.47] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <07f501c616e5$b1090cc0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: past solo performance... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:36:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2006 19:36:48.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D0781A0:01C616E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kris for listening! The 1/2 speed stuff is from my old trusy digitech echo+ Cheers Lou >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: past solo performance... >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:31:58 -0700 > >Nice clip...some big and gargantuan tones in there....some reverse and >recording on half speed at the beginning? Reminds me of getting dragged by >my feet through the bowls of an alien spacecraft by some maniacal and >devious Saurian Grey, who has nothing better to do than pin my eyes open >and shove a medical exploratory probe up my a....... :) > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM >Subject: past solo performance... > > >>Happy New Year. >> >>Here's an excerpt from a past solo performance of touch guitar & loops >> >>http://jeremyslater.net/lourossi/ >> >> >>Cheers & thanks for listening. >>Lou Rossi. >>http://myspace.com/lourossi >> >> >> >>>From: "William Walker" >>>Reply-To: >>>To: >>>Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting... >>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800 >>> >>>Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and >>>tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it. >>>Bill >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... >>> >>> >>>yup.... >>>...she'll be on tonight though... >>> >>>On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: >>> >>> > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >>> > idiotic >>> > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >>> > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >>> > breakaleg >>> > seeya >>> > staninsanfran >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >>> >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >>> >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >>> >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >>> >> Come see us! >>> >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >>> >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >>> >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >>> >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >>> >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >>> >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >>> >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >>> >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >>> >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >>> >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >>> >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >>> >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >>> >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:38:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 977C33BF3E; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <080001c616e6$a43f9f80$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060111180244.87007.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780601111021x196f1919s82fa53c9110fe604@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:38:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=60753, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression to me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art should do to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what a sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous waste of artistic energy. Just my 2 cents, man.... K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Agreed, d.s.. The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. Bleh. The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything from several thousand years of human existence and not critically thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of life. T. On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick of > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the > fat > greedy humans in buffet lines! > angry about it, > scary! > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > whatever. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 19:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B533BF0D; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14384193.1137009392969.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:56:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <5SzFYB.A.xGF.zLWxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Folks K.Hartung is right. It is all just art. Perhaps not interesting, edifying or even worth wasting breath on. But it is all art. I have the feeling that this has always been the case. There has been high art, low art, pop art, genius and just plain sh*t in every era of human existence. There were great cave painters and bad cave painters, etc.. I think the key is finding what moves you and allowing yourself to fully experience it. I admit those moments come along for me less often these days, but they do happen. Perhaps I am just not as open to new ideas as I was 20 years ago. Who knows? As for anger, there is a fine line between expressing it/turning it into exploitive product/holding up a mirror to the world. If anyone can figure out those particular boundaries, I'd be intrigued to hear their ideas. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Kris Hartung >Sent: Jan 11, 2006 12:38 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > >Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression to >me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the >door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art should do >to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what a >sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring >world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at >people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous waste >of artistic energy. > >Just my 2 cents, man.... > >K- >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Todd Pafford" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM >Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > >Agreed, d.s.. > >The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. > What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of >course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. >Bleh. > >The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of >course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation >where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest >fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything >from several thousand years of human existence and not critically >thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of >life. > >T. > >On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >> who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick of >> it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless >> rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >> kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the >> fat >> greedy humans in buffet lines! >> angry about it, >> scary! >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:01:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE1423BF24; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:00:47 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Cc: Kris Hartung Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:01:04 +0000 (UTC) << Getting angry at people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous waste of artistic energy. >> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect those who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever. However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by the media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are doing isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express themselves but rather their expression is a result of being influenced as to what they should be doing by folks selling stuff. ---- Kris Hartung wrote: > Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression to > me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the > door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art should do > to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what a > sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring > world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at > people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous waste > of artistic energy. > > Just my 2 cents, man.... > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Pafford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > > Agreed, d.s.. > > The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. > What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of > course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. > Bleh. > > The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of > course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation > where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest > fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything > from several thousand years of human existence and not critically > thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of > life. > > T. > > On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick of > > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless > > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at > > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the > > fat > > greedy humans in buffet lines! > > angry about it, > > scary! > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Yahoo! Photos > > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > > whatever. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:20:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D74F3BF2B; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 102, in=60824, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:20:27 +0000 (UTC) I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe that might make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece. Take a chain saw to an iron cast frying pan...loop that. > BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical > manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, > beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own actions comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic "necessary" or logical connection between anger and assault and battery, unless we're talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can easily switch to my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where everything goes and no one is repsonsible). > Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect those > who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or even > just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever. > However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by the > media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are doing > isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express themselves but > rather their expression is a result of being influenced as to what they > should be doing by folks selling stuff. Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist? Cool if you are...I'm borderline. Let's not get the rest of the world to buy into that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;) Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I don't believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is "causing" anyone to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately absorb our environment and make choices based on that data. We have choices. That is the key here. K- > > > ---- Kris Hartung wrote: >> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression to >> me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the >> door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art should >> do >> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what a >> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring >> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at >> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous >> waste >> of artistic energy. >> >> Just my 2 cents, man.... >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Todd Pafford" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM >> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >> >> >> Agreed, d.s.. >> >> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. >> What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of >> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. >> Bleh. >> >> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of >> course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation >> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest >> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything >> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically >> thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of >> life. >> >> T. >> >> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >> > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick >> > of >> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the >> > mindless >> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the >> > fat >> > greedy humans in buffet lines! >> > angry about it, >> > scary! >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Yahoo! Photos >> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, >> > holidays, >> > whatever. >> > >> > >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 20:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A443BF30; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:27:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67F2@earth.uces.edu.ar> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <5xci8.A.hoG._oWxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Budumbump... Whats your primary instrument, or weapon of choice? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@uces.edu.ar] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:13 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Hi, I am Ariel, a looper from Argentina. From an argentinian musician point of view: There is a joke here (mm, i dont know hot to put this in english, maybe "gag", not exactly a "joke" but..) Someone asks you. Q)What do you do for your living? A)I play music. Q)And BESIDES that? Drums fill... My half penny. I need to save for strings :) Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Enviado el: Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 11:10 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Stephen Goodman wrote: > Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you > love music, become a plumber": > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp08.xm l I love this quote most: "because life there is so hard, music isn't entertainment, it's nutrition" straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D5A3BF01; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sjEjLIDwOjU9LXhfjP+wJAM1kgJWw5Op/etuO1AF71kGkJkwaLRhtycOqyKPNm8AGinuq6QtNvKfmoJcEbbijsvtQa5ZH13q7nCydNIU/TAvs8dW3mhB2dnoTScmMmptO3O6bYJx38AKmwWICo9tTIv9ciFN45z/UaaD2yLkCMo= Message-ID: <64b81a780601111403q50b3cb5ejceb8b428f8db5bfd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:03:32 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses In-Reply-To: <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Good points all around, folks. One thing I'd like to add is that my problem with the state of things is partially the artforms themselves, but also the mindless comsumption of said art. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I see a lot of the fast food mentatlity at work in our popular entertainment, the old 'I want it fast and I want a lot of it' mentality. The less folks have to think about what they're consuming, the better. People are gorging themselves on nutritionally questionable music (& movies & tv) like they would the lastest McMonster Burger and the music industry is serving 'em up fast and greasy. The bottom line is that our minds and spirits need good nutrition & exercise just like our bodies. T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:07:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9273BF0C; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Jan 2006 22:06:59 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:06:58 -0500 Subject: Re: The Joke (was: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING?) X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060111220659.1A44386B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Q: How do you get a musician off your front porch? A: Pay him for the Pizza >=20 > Yes, the comment I hear is, "So what do you do during the day?" >=20 > The actual joke is, >=20 > Q) What do you call a musician without a girlfriend? >=20 > A) Homeless >=20 > Gary >=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:15:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15CD3BF0F; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C5836C.7050304@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:15:08 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Joke (was: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING?) References: <20060111220659.1A44386B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20060111220659.1A44386B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Q: What's the difference between a professional musician and a large pizza? A: A large pizza can feed a family :( joe rut wrote: >Q: How do you get a musician off your front porch? > >A: Pay him for the Pizza > > >>Yes, the comment I hear is, "So what do you do during the day?" >> >>The actual joke is, >> >>Q) What do you call a musician without a girlfriend? >> >>A) Homeless >> >>Gary >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:35:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B9B3BF05; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c616ff$637b14c0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:35:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:35:56 +0000 (UTC) << So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, >> I was thinking of the people creating the 'anger-oriented' music rather than the person who is angry at the rappers, heavy metal goobers, whatever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you hate > rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe that might > make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece. Take a chain saw > to an iron cast frying pan...loop that. > >> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical >> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, >> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). > > That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own actions > comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic "necessary" > or logical connection between anger and assault and battery, unless we're > talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can easily switch to > my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where everything goes and no > one is repsonsible). > >> Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect those >> who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or >> even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever. >> However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by the >> media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are doing >> isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express themselves but >> rather their expression is a result of being influenced as to what they >> should be doing by folks selling stuff. > > Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist? Cool if you > are...I'm borderline. Let's not get the rest of the world to buy into > that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;) > > Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I don't > believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is "causing" anyone > to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately absorb our > environment and make choices based on that data. We have choices. That is > the key here. > > K- > >> >> >> ---- Kris Hartung wrote: >>> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression >>> to >>> me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the >>> door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art should >>> do >>> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what a >>> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring >>> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at >>> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous >>> waste >>> of artistic energy. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents, man.... >>> >>> K- >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Todd Pafford" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM >>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >>> >>> >>> Agreed, d.s.. >>> >>> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. >>> What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of >>> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. >>> Bleh. >>> >>> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of >>> course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation >>> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest >>> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything >>> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically >>> thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of >>> life. >>> >>> T. >>> >>> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >>> > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im >>> > sick of >>> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the >>> > mindless >>> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >>> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to >>> > the >>> > fat >>> > greedy humans in buffet lines! >>> > angry about it, >>> > scary! >>> > >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > Yahoo! Photos >>> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, >>> > holidays, >>> > whatever. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11EC43BF0A; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c616ff$efd98780$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:37:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:39:53 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: > << Getting angry at people getting angry and expressing it via music seems > like a tremdous waste of artistic energy. >> > > BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical > manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, > beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). > Because none of those things ever happened before metal/rap/etc? I REALLY wish this worked. I'd be playing music about cleaning up, and doing homework, and going to bed at a normal hour, and feeding the dogs... Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:39:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5F063BF1B; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c616ff$ef992320$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <080001c616e6$a43f9f80$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:32:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:39:58 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" > Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression to > me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the > door. I think I have to agree with Kris here. Humans have a huge range of emotions and music reflects that. On the other hand, I think what Daniel was trying to point out is the commercialized feeding of 'crappy music' to the masses. Look at the origins of rap and metal and one can see why they are hard, violent forms of music. But there's this glorification of it (hate, violence, etc) by the industry to make money that has nothing to do with why that music was created in the first place. Look at guys like 50 cent, Notorious B.I.G. and Snoop Dog, they all lived on the streets, had rough violent lives and sang about it. Is that much different from guys like Woody Guthrie singing about the depression and workers revolts? Yet, there are so many artitst who are hanging on the coat-tails of the pioneers and making copycat music just for the fame and fortune. That's crap and fake and dishonest art IMHO. >Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art should do to us >ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what a Isn't that the point of a lot of art? To push our sensibilities? To show us the edge? You only know how far you can go if you go too far. > sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring > world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at > people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous > waste of artistic energy. I can't be bothered getting angry at any of them. But it... well.. annoys me that there are so many pretending to be angry. I for one like metal. I went to see Anthrax last night and it had to be one of the most fun shows I've been to in a while. Lots of people singing and jumping up and down and headbanging and having a GOOD TIME. The reason I go see someone like Anthrax, or Opeth, or Judas Priest, is different from why I go see someone like King Crimson. When I see a metal band, it's because I want to let loose, have fun, bang my head and get a little crazy. I see KC because I want to sit and listen. It's just too boring to be a stuffy old proghead. :) > The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. > What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of I don't find it that astounding. Lots of people have lives that suck and lots of people identify with it. What I find humorous are the middle/upper class kids who try to identify with it. Pissed off suburban teenagers driving around in daddy's BMW. Then again, I remember driving around with my friend in his dad's Cadillac listening to Black Sabbath. Well, we weren't pissed off so much as, um, pissed. ;) Another 2 cents... Tony > > Just my 2 cents, man.... > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Pafford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > > Agreed, d.s.. > > The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. > What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of > course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. > Bleh. > > The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of > course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation > where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest > fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything > from several thousand years of human existence and not critically > thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of > life. > > T. > > On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >> who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im sick >> of >> it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless >> rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >> kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to the >> fat >> greedy humans in buffet lines! >> angry about it, >> scary! >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Yahoo! Photos >> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, >> whatever. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 22:56:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6043BF27; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08ab01c61702$4256dc40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000c01c616ff$637b14c0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:56:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.117188 Content: cid=171(1.0) =1.0,Aspam=0.1 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 440, in=210431, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:56:33 +0000 (UTC) > << So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, >> > > I was thinking of the people creating the 'anger-oriented' music rather > than the person who is angry at the rappers, heavy metal goobers, > whatever. Understood. I hope you didn't think I was singling you out with my generalized "you." This is another interesting, albeit philosophical topic. Over the years, occasionally being tempted by the human tendency to be ethnocentric and egocentric, I've made my share of caustic remarks regarding other forms of music. People make negative comments about "some" looping music too, saying it's overly repetetive, too long, boring, etc. In any event, without fail, after I make such remarks about other forms of music that I don't particularly enjoy, I always end up feeling as if I've betrayed myself as an artist and failed to heed one of the fundamental principles that makes art what it is, viz., utterly free and unrestrained emotional expression. That form of expression is sacred. It is un-touchable, and "good unto itself" according to some folks. When I said all is permitted earlier, I meant it, and I believe it. As artists, as soon as we start censoring or marginalizing forms of art that don't please us, or which we find revolting, then we've betrayed the very same principles that permit us the freedom to do what we want and not be judged or criticized for it. So I find the best thing to do, for me personally, is to just keep my mouth shut in light of artforms that I don't like. It's not wrong to be revolted by a particular form of art. That is a natural human reaction. What is questionable and just as revolting is when that revolting feeling converts to quasi-objective claims about the intrinsic nature of the offending art. It's one thing to say that such an such art makes you feel bad. It's quite another thing to say that the art IS bad. That was more than 2 cents, I guess... :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > >> I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you hate >> rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe that >> might make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece. Take a >> chain saw to an iron cast frying pan...loop that. >> >>> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical >>> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, >>> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). >> >> That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own >> actions comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic >> "necessary" or logical connection between anger and assault and battery, >> unless we're talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can >> easily switch to my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where >> everything goes and no one is repsonsible). >> >>> Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect those >>> who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or >>> even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever. >>> However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by the >>> media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are doing >>> isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express themselves >>> but rather their expression is a result of being influenced as to what >>> they should be doing by folks selling stuff. >> >> Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist? Cool if >> you are...I'm borderline. Let's not get the rest of the world to buy >> into that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;) >> >> Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I >> don't believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is "causing" >> anyone to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately >> absorb our environment and make choices based on that data. We have >> choices. That is the key here. >> >> K- >> >>> >>> >>> ---- Kris Hartung wrote: >>>> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression >>>> to >>>> me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at the >>>> door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art >>>> should do >>>> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what >>>> a >>>> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring >>>> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at >>>> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous >>>> waste >>>> of artistic energy. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents, man.... >>>> >>>> K- >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Todd Pafford" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed, d.s.. >>>> >>>> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. >>>> What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of >>>> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. >>>> Bleh. >>>> >>>> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of >>>> course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation >>>> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest >>>> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything >>>> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically >>>> thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of >>>> life. >>>> >>>> T. >>>> >>>> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >>>> > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im >>>> > sick of >>>> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the >>>> > mindless >>>> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >>>> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to >>>> > the >>>> > fat >>>> > greedy humans in buffet lines! >>>> > angry about it, >>>> > scary! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ________________________________ >>>> > Yahoo! Photos >>>> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, >>>> > holidays, >>>> > whatever. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 23:03:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F2B33BF1C; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08c201c61703$38b8be50$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:03:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 440, in=210441, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone contributing to this anymore based on Rick original request? I know it requires some work to do the research, copy the links, data, etc.....I had some more things to share, but I don't want to dominate the thread. I'm hoping to reap some benefit of what others have to say. Does anyone have any tips on how to get reviews of your music? I mentioned Mixposure.com. I joined that and received some great reviews of my music. How about how to get on radio stations. I think I spent a whole weekend a year ago sending out press packs to about 20 radio stations. It probably worked on two of them...not much return on investment, and I'm reluctant to try it again. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > I'd like to propose a series of threads to collate all of the creative > ideas about > how we can sell ourselves, both through online sales, online promotion, > creating gigs, creating new venues, et. al. > so that we can all use it as a resource in the future. > > The thread, CD SALES DECLINING has had some really excellent > contributions about this phenomenon > and noone disputing the observation of the trend. The next obvious > question is: Given that, how can we > maximize our sales (if we are attempting like many of us are, to be > commercially viable artists) and what creative > things can we do to create a new paradigm for surviving as a fine artist > in this economic climate. > > WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE > > > I'd propose that we NOT discuss philosophy in this thread, but rather, > merely list resources for the purpose of quick reference in the future > for looping artists. For the future of quick reference, please create a > subthread if you'd like to discuss philosophy (I know, as an example, that > a > lot of people don't even believe in selling art at all) > > Kris and others have mentioned CD Baby, Itunes, Amazon, et. al. > > Specifically, in each instance, > 1) how does one contact these organizations? > 2) How do they work? > 3) Maybe a little critique, positive or negative about people's individual > experience with the various vendors. > 4) Any other pertinent information one might think of. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 23:22:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165F53BF00; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c61705$e7e61a10$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <005201c616ff$efd98780$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:22:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:22:36 +0000 (UTC) It happened before rap music. But did the violent society that exists in the US occur before mass media became all encompassing? You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to hitchhike most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any qualms about getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about hookers as is probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent scene in the US didn't always exist, dude. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > >> << Getting angry at people getting angry and expressing it via music >> seems like a tremdous waste of artistic energy. >> >> >> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical >> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, >> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). >> > > Because none of those things ever happened before metal/rap/etc? I REALLY > wish this worked. I'd be playing music about cleaning up, and doing > homework, and going to bed at a normal hour, and feeding the dogs... > > Tony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 23:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBBFE3BF32; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c61706$26ccdac0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000c01c616ff$637b14c0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> <08ab01c61702$4256dc40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:24:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Good points, man. But, I think I'll pass on listening to an orchestra comprised of an assemblage of farters. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >> << So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, >> >> >> I was thinking of the people creating the 'anger-oriented' music rather >> than the person who is angry at the rappers, heavy metal goobers, >> whatever. > > Understood. I hope you didn't think I was singling you out with my > generalized "you." > > This is another interesting, albeit philosophical topic. Over the years, > occasionally being tempted by the human tendency to be ethnocentric and > egocentric, I've made my share of caustic remarks regarding other forms of > music. People make negative comments about "some" looping music too, > saying it's overly repetetive, too long, boring, etc. In any event, > without fail, after I make such remarks about other forms of music that I > don't particularly enjoy, I always end up feeling as if I've betrayed > myself as an artist and failed to heed one of the fundamental principles > that makes art what it is, viz., utterly free and unrestrained emotional > expression. That form of expression is sacred. It is un-touchable, and > "good unto itself" according to some folks. When I said all is permitted > earlier, I meant it, and I believe it. As artists, as soon as we start > censoring or marginalizing forms of art that don't please us, or which we > find revolting, then we've betrayed the very same principles that permit > us the freedom to do what we want and not be judged or criticized for it. > So I find the best thing to do, for me personally, is to just keep my > mouth shut in light of artforms that I don't like. It's not wrong to be > revolted by a particular form of art. That is a natural human reaction. > What is questionable and just as revolting is when that revolting feeling > converts to quasi-objective claims about the intrinsic nature of the > offending art. It's one thing to say that such an such art makes you feel > bad. It's quite another thing to say that the art IS bad. > > That was more than 2 cents, I guess... :) > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kris Hartung" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM >> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >> >> >>> I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you >>> hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe >>> that might make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece. Take >>> a chain saw to an iron cast frying pan...loop that. >>> >>>> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical >>>> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, >>>> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). >>> >>> That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own >>> actions comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic >>> "necessary" or logical connection between anger and assault and battery, >>> unless we're talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can >>> easily switch to my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where >>> everything goes and no one is repsonsible). >>> >>>> Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect those >>>> who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or >>>> even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever. >>>> However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by >>>> the media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are >>>> doing isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express >>>> themselves but rather their expression is a result of being influenced >>>> as to what they should be doing by folks selling stuff. >>> >>> Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist? Cool if >>> you are...I'm borderline. Let's not get the rest of the world to buy >>> into that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;) >>> >>> Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I >>> don't believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is "causing" >>> anyone to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately >>> absorb our environment and make choices based on that data. We have >>> choices. That is the key here. >>> >>> K- >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- Kris Hartung wrote: >>>>> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression >>>>> to >>>>> me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at >>>>> the >>>>> door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art >>>>> should do >>>>> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what >>>>> a >>>>> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific >>>>> boring >>>>> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at >>>>> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous >>>>> waste >>>>> of artistic energy. >>>>> >>>>> Just my 2 cents, man.... >>>>> >>>>> K- >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Todd Pafford" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Agreed, d.s.. >>>>> >>>>> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. >>>>> What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of >>>>> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. >>>>> Bleh. >>>>> >>>>> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of >>>>> course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation >>>>> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest >>>>> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything >>>>> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically >>>>> thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of >>>>> life. >>>>> >>>>> T. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >>>>> > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im >>>>> > sick of >>>>> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the >>>>> > mindless >>>>> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >>>>> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to >>>>> > the >>>>> > fat >>>>> > greedy humans in buffet lines! >>>>> > angry about it, >>>>> > scary! >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ________________________________ >>>>> > Yahoo! Photos >>>>> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, >>>>> > holidays, >>>>> > whatever. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 23:31:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA3863BF26; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,357,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="152500939:sNHT97386348" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060111152658.0114caa8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:31:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses In-Reply-To: <002701c61705$e7e61a10$68a6eb44@BlackDell> References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <005201c616ff$efd98780$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah - the good old days. Interesting note about chicks. I thought the good old days only existed for white males. At 2006.01.11 03:22 PM, Paul wrote: >You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to hitchhike >most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any qualms about >getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about hookers as is >probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent scene in the US didn't >always exist, dude. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 11 23:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405EA3BF26; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <93D6EC43-03A0-4EE3-B2D6-C12E09D05318@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Thursday night gig in London reminder... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:40:29 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8BARHC.A.qQF.OdZxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Just a quick reminder about my gig in London tomorrow - I'll be using =20= the Looperlative, BJ and Cleveland will both be using EDPs, there's =20 going to be a lot of looping going on, and more importantly, a whole =20 load of lovely music happening. Date - Thursday Jan 12th venue - Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, =20 London, tickets - =A36/=A34 concs. doors 7pm, first set 8pm. The venue does great food too... see you there! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44FA63BF15; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LpYLDkF84ENorNwRCjI6RKYNMV4qAQLdxoBDwiCQSAGWy6Wu1HwM4iQdJcD3VjFLExtda3sDmnu/h2QEEWz5seSdH78hYUSAOo8E8Hu116SlEQL6lFdu/ztHsYKOoKTIqUGeji9GWJFrFjuLCKHrs+Zg6bx6fTfr/5U2NAu7ZII= ; Message-ID: <20060112000355.26786.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <09B25ED7-B527-440B-9913-A983D81BEB0C@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:03:57 +0000 (UTC) That sounds great. I'm not at all concerned about it being recognizeable, as I plan on using it for home "turn it on and loop" times. I still intend to program out all my own percussion for recordings and live gigs. The demos sound great and it seems that with being able to combine and alter beats I should be set for a long time. What I may not have said is that I LOVE programming beats and I totally get a kick out of it... but then all of the sudden the night is gone and I've not touched my guitar which makes me sad. I'm going to try to keep beat production down to 2 nights a week. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > > No. RMX doesn't have a sequencing engine and thus no > MIDI Clock > output option. RMX is not MIDI sequence > programmable, as for example > GURU or iDrum. It is a plug-in and as such has to be > opened inside a > host application. Then the host is to provide the > MID Clock pulse. > Short note: > RMX is very versatile. It can be used as a "Loop > Player" (standalone > or plug-in) as well as a "Drum Sample Player" > (plug-in). As a loop > player you may line up loops on eight parallel > tracks, and if you do > that it will bog down the CPU a lot. This is why > some people think > that "RMX is not CPU friendly". The truth is that > you may be very > well set with using only one stereo track out of > eight and used this > way RMX is quite CPU friendly. I have been able to > run it live on a > 1.25 MHz PowerBook together with Ableton Live and > two stereo tracks > of Tape Delay Style looping (feedback, overdub). > > I must be said though, that RMX has its own, clearly > recognizable, > sound. All presets impose that typical "Huge, Wide > American Drum > Sound" that either make you feel omnipotent or go > sick ;-) You hear > RMX being used on a lot of commercial spots these > days, it's so easy > to pick when you know that sound - seems like the > pro's love presets. > But it's also possible to record your own drum > performances and load > them up as RMX loops. To do that you need ReCycle, > or any other > application that can save a recording as REX files. > > No other DRUM solution has as good and user friendly > built in random > scripting options as RMX. Meaning that with careful > setting up only > one drum loop may left to play in the background > while still sounding > "human" with a lot of variations. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31AC53BF22; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KvN5W+5jTxd6cbBY7nlKEGnGlZcw5GLFzVy7MEnxPoVpMBWdYnu5YhuHMQE/6bvH9bDFZinQZPCz+4JnlZrpQQYD/Q5+HeNEKuYcP5aPqEPLlITQNAW/cTdL9z3QuWEhKbEbKMGv3jxAU1EebzgT9B4YEfNlSH7SkeqtP/EPnJ4= ; Message-ID: <20060112000626.51257.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060111152658.0114caa8@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Uh, that's white land owning males. --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > Oh yeah - the good old days. Interesting note about > chicks. I thought the > good old days only existed for white males. > > > At 2006.01.11 03:22 PM, Paul wrote: > > >You must be a young dude. I can remember when it > was safe to hitchhike > >most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't > have any qualms about > >getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking > about hookers as is > >probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent > scene in the US didn't > >always exist, dude. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:25:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F04213BF28; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hf76s1TkWFz+gZNuCHnwvddP9pwQhbWJM9/Evw6FXlwQiNCJAMn0Cf7RyFlVwuO3EyjnhmVhL2fbC3U0BEWFz8fGzyrVwYCBV6wXKMWOidfSqa0A1imDCcCDMv0vN0KXUXPh1CTgix63vjQDmPXACn9Nfs+q/eB9NPTabNR0Fl8= ; Message-ID: <20060112002523.42053.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: past solo performance... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <07f501c616e5$b1090cc0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1063622239-1137025523=:41168" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5VH01.A.pKH.0HaxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-1063622239-1137025523=:41168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cool...very otherworldly.i found myself focusing in on the microbial debris swiming across my eyes lenses...like pong...is that thing alive i wonder?they are all over me feeding on me... as long as they stay off my plants, scary. Kris Hartung wrote: Nice clip...some big and gargantuan tones in there....some reverse and recording on half speed at the beginning? Reminds me of getting dragged by my feet through the bowls of an alien spacecraft by some maniacal and devious Saurian Grey, who has nothing better to do than pin my eyes open and shove a medical exploratory probe up my a....... :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: past solo performance... > Happy New Year. > > Here's an excerpt from a past solo performance of touch guitar & loops > > http://jeremyslater.net/lourossi/ > > > Cheers & thanks for listening. > Lou Rossi. > http://myspace.com/lourossi > > > >>From: "William Walker" >>Reply-To: >>To: >>Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting... >>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800 >> >>Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and >>tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it. >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... >> >> >>yup.... >>...she'll be on tonight though... >> >>On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: >> >> > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >> > idiotic >> > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >> > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >> > breakaleg >> > seeya >> > staninsanfran >> > >> > >> > >> > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >> > >> >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >> >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >> >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >> >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >> >> Come see us! >> >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >> >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >> >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >> >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >> >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >> >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >> >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >> >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >> >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >> >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >> >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >> >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >> >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. 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cool...very otherworldly.i found myself focusing in on the microbial debris swiming across my eyes lenses...like pong...is that thing alive i wonder?they are all over me feeding on me...
 
as long as they stay off my plants,
                                                  scary.

Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Nice clip...some big and gargantuan tones in there....some reverse and
recording on half speed at the beginning? Reminds me of getting dragged by
my feet through the bowls of an alien spacecraft by some maniacal and
devious Saurian Grey, who has nothing better to do than pin my eyes open and
shove a medical exploratory probe up my a....... :)

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Rossi"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: past solo performance...


> Happy New Year.
>
> Here's an excerpt from a past solo performance of touch guitar & loops
>
> http://jeremyslater.net/lourossi/
>
>
> Cheers & thanks for listening.
> Lou Rossi.
> http://myspace.com/lourossi
>
>
>
>>From: "William Walker"
>>Reply-To:
>>To:
>>Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting...
>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800
>>
>>Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and
>>tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it.
>>Bill
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting...
>>
>>
>>yup....
>>...she'll be on tonight though...
>>
>>On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote:
>>
>> > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some
>> > idiotic
>> > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'?
>> > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-)
>> > breakaleg
>> > seeya
>> > staninsanfran
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening
>> >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to
>> >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on
>> >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out.
>> >> Come see us!
>> >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight)
>> >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo
>> >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club
>> >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts
>> >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre
>> >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern
>> >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag
>> >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues
>> >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre
>> >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
>> >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's
>> >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's
>> >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



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You design it and we’ll bind it! --0-1063622239-1137025523=:41168-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:38:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEFB63BF35; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c61710$8e3e4900$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <005201c616ff$efd98780$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060111152658.0114caa8@mail02.powweb.com> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:38:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:38:49 +0000 (UTC) That was in 1865. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > Oh yeah - the good old days. Interesting note about chicks. I thought > the good old days only existed for white males. > > > At 2006.01.11 03:22 PM, Paul wrote: > >>You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to hitchhike >>most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any qualms about >>getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about hookers as is >>probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent scene in the US didn't >>always exist, dude. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:47:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5781A3BF3A; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c61711$d3eac860$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060112000626.51257.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:47:56 +0000 (UTC) << I thought the good old days only existed for white males. >> Not so. Not so. For example, there was once a viable thriving black community in Pittsburgh in the early-middle part of this century up until around the early 60's. There were great black owner restaurants, bars where many, many black (and some white) musicians played (e.g. Billy Eckstine), black businesses. The econmic plight of blacks and the situations in many of the northern US cities became exacerbated in more recent times due to a variety of reasons. I think one of the current ones is the lack of jobs that pay a reasonable wage and the offshore outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. And the assertion of "the good old days only existing for white people" is a ridiculous assertion anyway. Things were pretty shitty for Christians during the Roman era. Things were shitty for a variety of peoples throughout the ages. So what? What do we have to do with that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > Uh, that's white land owning males. > > --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > >> Oh yeah - the good old days. Interesting note about >> chicks. I thought the >> good old days only existed for white males. >> >> >> At 2006.01.11 03:22 PM, Paul wrote: >> >> >You must be a young dude. I can remember when it >> was safe to hitchhike >> >most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't >> have any qualms about >> >getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking >> about hookers as is >> >probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent >> scene in the US didn't >> >always exist, dude. >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 00:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EE153BF24; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c61712$5d498fb0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <001101c616e1$a7511780$0601a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: pandora/music genome project - observations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:51:45 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:52:26 +0000 (UTC) I'm curious at this point how many groups are using the "genome" moniker for a collection of musicians? I joined up with the MusicDish genome project back in the last century. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, 11 January, 2006 19:03 PM Subject: pandora/music genome project - observations >I recently listened to this service, and also gave it a few tough tasks, > like creating a "John Zorn Radio". > > The parameters it extracted for the first choice was "prominent bass > playing, groovy rhythms, modal harmonies" ;) > > After some very different suggestions (Nels Cline Singers, David Krakauer, > 70ies Miles Davis, Sun Ra), I reached a point where it displayed "Our > music > license only allows us to skip a certain number of tunes per hour". > > Interesting license they got... > > Rainer > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 01:05:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4F733BF15; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Jan 2006 01:05:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:05:27 -0500 Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060112010527.78DC9E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Ironically, the "all encompassing mass media" is responsible for your sense= that US society is significantly more violent now than in some mythical go= od 'ol=20 days. The tabloidization of the news media and the focus on horrible crime= s as the main stories of the day creates an impression that these horrible = crimes=20 are happening by the thousands, when in fact they are not the norm. There = existed then and there exist now many places in the US where I would feel= =20 commfortable hitch-hiking, and many place where you could not PAY me to hit= chhike. Violence in the US (and the world) DID always exist. While crime and violen= ce rates ebb and flow, changes in the reporting style of the media (what th= ose in=20 power decide is newsworthy) have drastically changed peoples perceptions of= how safe they are, regardless of what the current statistics might tell th= em.=20 Joe Rut Paul Richard Wrote: > It happened before rap music. But did the violent society that=20 > exists in the US occur before mass media became all encompassing? >=20 > You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to=20 > hitchhike most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any=20 > qualms about getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about=20 > hookers as is probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent=20 > scene in the US didn't always exist, dude. >=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 01:24:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 435B33BF12; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c61716$e7a97680$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060112010527.78DC9E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Do you really believe the volume of crime that the US experiences currently existed here since this country's inception? And that media broadcasting the various crimes is the only difference between the different historical eras of the US as regards crime???? Where in the history of this country did high schoolers blast away at their schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did workers take rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of dozen former co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal movements slain/asassinated in this country like the past 40 years? When did blacks in the cities shoot each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY? I rest my case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Ironically, the "all encompassing mass media" is responsible for your sense that US society is significantly more violent now than in some mythical good 'ol days. The tabloidization of the news media and the focus on horrible crimes as the main stories of the day creates an impression that these horrible crimes are happening by the thousands, when in fact they are not the norm. There existed then and there exist now many places in the US where I would feel commfortable hitch-hiking, and many place where you could not PAY me to hitchhike. Violence in the US (and the world) DID always exist. While crime and violence rates ebb and flow, changes in the reporting style of the media (what those in power decide is newsworthy) have drastically changed peoples perceptions of how safe they are, regardless of what the current statistics might tell them. Joe Rut Paul Richard Wrote: > It happened before rap music. But did the violent society that > exists in the US occur before mass media became all encompassing? > > You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to > hitchhike most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any > qualms about getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about > hookers as is probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent > scene in the US didn't always exist, dude. > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 01:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60C73BF0B; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:32:37 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c61718$12370f10$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060112000355.26786.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYXC69QhujHKV1DT9GXISl5q0D2pAAC4raw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:32:42 +0000 (UTC) > What I may not have said is that I LOVE programming beats and > I totally get a kick out of it... but then all of the sudden > the night is gone and I've not touched my guitar which makes > me sad. I'm going to try to keep beat production down to 2 > nights a week. To keep this stuff more time-saving, try this approach (which was actually a working technique I was referring to with my original post that started the thread): start to play a song. record a loop (say, with keys or guitar or voice or percussion drill or whatever you like). Now program a drum pattern that fits with it, and have it finished before listening to the loop gets boring. (This is a very...relative specification, but let's say you usually got like 4 runs of the entire loop, which if it's a 4-bar loop and you're programming a 1-bar drum groove, gives you about 16 bar times to program one bar. You might skip in a few effects uses, or do some local reverse actions on the loop while programming the beats to keep the loop interesting). Now you have your drum groove, and can continue playing. The idea behind this is that for me, most of the time when I start playing I have no idea how exactly the drum groove has to sound to work well with what I'm just about to play... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 02:15:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89B543BF1E; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c6171d$ffc30860$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <20060111180244.87007.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:15:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C616DA.F1365830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:15:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C616DA.F1365830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Take heart, Daniel. The in-crowd among today's young, including my 25 = yo son, are fans of top notch techno music. In the course of listening = to and promoting John's music, I've become an instant fan of certain = techno greats: Crystal Method, Chemical Bros, DJ Krush and Prodigy so = far. These people are genuine loopers and do a credible job performing = live, so John tells me. Maybe they are just glorified DJs, but the best = of them incorporate melodic instruments other than samples and = synthesizers, even some guitar and offbeat vocals. =20 So while the lost boys and girls of the musically "ignorant masses" are = mindlessly listening to mainstream rock/pop/hop, the young cognocenti = are into experimental jazz, techno and the like. They buy CDs too. = >From what I've seen, I'm encouraged. - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm x----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: crappy music of the masses who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im = sick of it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the = mindless rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed = at kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to = the fat greedy humans in buffet lines! angry about it, scary! =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, = holidays, whatever. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C616DA.F1365830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Take heart, Daniel.  The in-crowd among = today's=20 young, including my 25 yo son, are fans of top notch techno music.  = In the=20 course of listening to and promoting John's music, I've become an = instant fan of=20 certain techno greats:  Crystal Method, Chemical Bros, DJ Krush and = Prodigy=20 so far.  These people are genuine loopers and do a credible = job=20 performing live, so John tells me.  Maybe they are just = glorified DJs,=20 but the best of them incorporate melodic instruments other than = samples and=20 synthesizers, even some guitar and offbeat vocals. 
 
So while the lost boys and girls of the = musically=20 "ignorant masses" are mindlessly listening to mainstream rock/pop/hop, = the young=20 cognocenti are into experimental jazz, techno and the like.  They = buy CDs=20 too.  From what I've seen, I'm encouraged.  - CW
http://www.johnwinters.biz= /listen.htm
 
 
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Subject: crappy music of the = masses

     who keeps pushing this = crappy=20 music to the ignorant masses?im sick of it to the point of violence! = the=20 cocaine pushing rap music...the mindless rabble of big guitar = rock...all the=20 pedofilic pop music aimed at kids...where is the art? its no = puzzel...kill em=20 all and feed em to the fat greedy humans in buffet lines!
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Add photos, events, holidays,=20 whatever. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C616DA.F1365830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 04:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E474F3BEF4; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20060111231505.01f81de0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:16:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses In-Reply-To: <08ab01c61702$4256dc40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <11497431.1137009647315.JavaMail.root@web19> <083801c616ec$73489f70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000c01c616ff$637b14c0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> <08ab01c61702$4256dc40$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-618D3F94 Resent-Message-ID: <6KE_XC.A.YTH.BhdxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:17:05 +0000 (UTC) funny thing about freedom of expression, you want it... you got to give it > When I said all is permitted earlier, I meant it, and I believe it. As > artists, as soon as we start censoring or marginalizing forms of art that > don't please us, or which we find revolting, then we've betrayed the very > same principles that permit us the freedom to do what we want and not be > judged or criticized for it. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 04:45:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9B03BF0E; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20187982.1137041108319.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Well articulated Paul. Being that there is alot out there that is repulsive/irritating/shite, etc. , the best choice is to simply not give it the time of day. If it bugs you, don't engage with it. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: paul >Sent: Jan 11, 2006 11:16 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > >funny thing about freedom of expression, you want it... you got to give it > > >> When I said all is permitted earlier, I meant it, and I believe it. As >> artists, as soon as we start censoring or marginalizing forms of art that >> don't please us, or which we find revolting, then we've betrayed the very >> same principles that permit us the freedom to do what we want and not be >> judged or criticized for it. > >Paul Haslem > >Ontario, Canada > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 05:13:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F48A3BF0E; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C5E560.6070803@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:13:04 -0800 From: "loop.pool" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LOOPERS DELIGHT Subject: WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "How about how to get on radio stations. I think I spent a whole weekend a year ago sending out press packs to about 20 radio stations. It probably worked on two of them...not much return on investment, and I'm reluctant to try it again." I hear your reluctance but also have a couple of things to say about being more effective in your connection with the DJs. I've been the publicist, promoter, what have you for every music project I've been in (except for a few commercial projects) and what I've come to believe is this: The music business and all of it's branches are just fairly small tribes of people. We tend to view them as rather monolithic when, in fact, they are just composed of individual human beings who all have their own respective agendas about things. Like any small community, their are personalities in it who are idiosyncratic and you have to cater to those individual personalities. Sending material out is important but think about the myriad of unsolicited pieces of mail you get daily by people trying to sell you something. Unless someone has mentioned something to you in advance, you will have a tendency to chuck stuff, especially if you are inundated the way most print journalists and on air disc jockeys are. Consequently, it is important to make a human connection with someone who you want to play and promote your CD. I find that calling someone first and asking them if you can send them (or better yet, bring them) your recording is so much more effective than just sending out packets. I have also found that if you can attach that connection with an event that you are associated with can really increase the interest of the journalist or DJ. I try to associate my record releases with Events (CD release parties) or Festivals to maximize the interest of the DJ or Journalist. They are much more inclined to grant you an interview which inevitably leaves to the playing of several tunes on the CD or, better yet, a live on the air performance. Additionally, I have discovered that DJs love to help out, especially if they believe that they are on the cusp of a happening event or movement. I've found it very effective to specifically let DJs know that you (and your movement or style of music) can really use their help. I've had incredible success with the DJs at KUSP, KKUP, KAZU and, especially, KZSC the local college radio station. Time of the year is important, too. This year the new DJs at UCSC were in the first week of their programs when we had Y2K5. They were discombobulated, not set in their routines and consequently, I didn't get an ounce of publicity for the show on that the station...........the first time in several years. It makes me want to communicate with the RPM director at the station to seek his or her advice about when to best have such an event in the future. In the case of this particular station, there are luckily several shows a week who might play our stuff (the Live Looping community) and that's a lot of energy because you might have to talk to four or five DJs before you find that one gem of a person who wants to help out. It's all worth it, however. In the last two years two DJs at that station have aided and helped my career and the Looping events immeasurably..................now, of course, they have graduated and I have to do it all over again..........lol. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 05:23:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E8B53BF12; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,357,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="194198828:sNHT30248884" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:07:07 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions --- Hyde Park, MA 01.21.06 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The next Immersions event will occur on Saturday Jan 21, at 8:PM, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. This Immersions will feature Dave "The Packrat" Lovelace, on synths, and Helena Schniewind, live videography, along with the usual suspects, Dean Stiglitz on flute that doesn't like one, Ramona Herboldsheimer (exquisite hammered dulcimer textures), and myself, on video that sure as %^&* doesn't look like TV. "Immersions" is a monthly intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. Immersions will happen on the third Saturday of the month, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 05:56:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBC4E3BF11; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <097701c6173c$e002e300$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:56:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0974_01C61702.327D3E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.abstractlogix.com) (http) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 440, in=210627, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_lipBD.A.u7B.59exDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:56:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0974_01C61702.327D3E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SERVICES THAT CAN SELL YOUR CD: ABSTRACT LOGIX Website: http://www.abstractlogix.com/ Description Abstract Logix looks for independent musicians who fit their format to = partner with them and sell their material from their website. 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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 12, = 2006 11:24=20 AM
Subject: latency = questions

can you give me an idea of what software and hardware = interface=20 you are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer = set=20 really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and = (forgive=20 the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a mixer as = an AUX or=20 is your sound going thru the computer (more like an insert...)

i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i = think)=20 with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the 15-35 = range, i'd=20 guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range.


thanks




On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote:

20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime = os=20 discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable

on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. = These figures=20 are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying = out

new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to = add, say a=20 compressor without adding any weight to my rig.

A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on = the net -=20 there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and=20 = minimal..


------=_NextPart_000_0A43_01C6176E.558A0D70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739A53BF76; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a4d01c617a9$5bcde590$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <9B185F8A-795B-4EC5-A89F-6B63327CCE8A@boysen.se> Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:52:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 438, in=195122, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9tPrbD.A.KTD.5VqxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Look at you go, Per...using 7 out of 8 of your Mobius looping channels! The clip sounds great. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup On 12 jan 2006, at 17.48, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > (Warning: below is a lengthy description 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ..... Thanks for posting that massive thing. Interesting reading. I've read through it on the run, saving it for future detailed reading. On 12 jan 2006, at 18.35, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > thanks for the detailed account, I'm also considering moving to a more > laptop > oriented setup over the next year and am very interested in hearing the > details > of how others that have gone this route do their setup. I'm going for simplicity and playability to make the most of a live impro situation. Too many options tends to limit my musical imagination. So I only bring a Centrino lappy, Fireworx box, physical instruments, small MIDI mixer and my FCB1010. That's it. My rig looks like this: http://www.looproom.com/mob.JPG and sounds like this: http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam1.mp3 No VST plug-ins. Only the mic input through the fireworX going straight into Möbius standalone version. Audio interface may be a RME Multiface or an Echo Indigo i/o. A cheap USB MIDI interface (two cables: IN and OUT). On sunday I'll do my second gig with this minimal set-up and I'll bring a flute and a tenor sax with the gear mentioned above. If I want to get dirty with gear lugging I may bring a guitar as well, but I'm rapidly becoming too lazy for playing that thing ;-) On 12 jan 2006, at 18.39, monk wrote: > but how does one get around the latency? ---> Input latency affecting direct signal Do not play THROUGH software. Clone your instrument signal at the audio interface input and send one signal directly to the PA (no latency) while the other clone goes into the software for looping and processing. Only use "wet" signal in the software. ---> Internal software latency (AD/DA conversion, digital processing) Use software that compensates for this. per From mansonfamily@correoweb.com Thu Jan 12 18:53:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from customer-200-81-228-180.millicom.com.ar (unknown [200.81.228.180]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E58573BF79; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.5 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:52:48 -0600 Message-ID: <245h943q.7233577@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:52:48 -0600 From: "Nicolas Joseph" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: ZxWh2u8FcnfC5Jfpfl9k9kWuYcBTFJBsAwL6JAXIaycfcRTxMqoNh0fs9atPwJtX== X-Load: 55% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, rs-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ratess will skyrocket soon Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_18130382==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_18130382==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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IWqL+9iCBs6Y3p0nUqTBZBqOl7zJvCzg5prtQQG3vvKdL33ra9/74iEult0vf/vr3/8COMAC zm8IAAA7 --------------AttPart_66369125==.OLA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 19:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6262D3BF5D; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:03:49 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Zoom G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43C6A815.9030801@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC) i've been browsing the g2 pdf manual. am i right in thinking there are actually 3 independent delays in this unit that could be used simultaneously? a tape delay in the mod/sfx module, the delay module, and a multi-tap in the reverb module. there seems to be a lot of praise for the g2 on harmony central regarding other features, but nothing's been said about the delay/looping capabilities, apart from the brief blurb on ld recently. quite a bargain for $100 it appears - intelligent pitch-shifting, quiet, fast patch changes, assignable foot switch/exp pedal. people say they even like the distortions and amp simulations. one guy said it even sounded better after he dropped it from his 41st floor balcony...i love it when people say stuff like that. makes me want to read comic books all day, eat fatty pastries, and race trains. nowaddameen? shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 19:17:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79D993BF61; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0a4d01c617a9$5bcde590$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <9B185F8A-795B-4EC5-A89F-6B63327CCE8A@boysen.se> <0a4d01c617a9$5bcde590$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:17:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <635afB.A.dOE.HtqxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:17:27 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jan 2006, at 19.52, Kris Hartung wrote: > Look at you go, Per...using 7 out of 8 of your Mobius looping =20 > channels! The clip sounds great. > Kris When I play with M=F6bius I rarely use more than 3 tracks (pumping =20 audio into them all eight was just a funny game for that picture). =20 One track for tonal material loops (where I tend to layer much) and =20 the rest for stuff that will still sound ok whatever key or chord I =20 make up as I go. I just can't handle too big scenarios and three =20 faders is still what I manage to adjust while eventually playing or =20 singing notes at the same time. (Related:) I'm still keeping your idea from the M=F6bius list on my =20 plan for future rainy days: breaking up chords and put different =20 notes on different tracks. Two or three notes a track and then =20 combining loops (from different "chords") between those tracks. Very =20 interesting tip. I'm posting Kris tip it here so more can pick it up ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 19:37:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E9E03BF77; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a6c01c617af$9b559270$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <9B185F8A-795B-4EC5-A89F-6B63327CCE8A@boysen.se> <0a4d01c617a9$5bcde590$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:37:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 440, in=199868, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) > (Related:) I'm still keeping your idea from the Möbius list on my plan for future rainy days: breaking up chords and put different notes on different tracks. Two or three notes a track and then combining loops (from different "chords") between those tracks. Very interesting tip. I'm posting Kris tip it here so more can pick it up ;-) Nice. That tip could be applied on the new Looperlative too! :) Kris Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:19:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08493BF1B; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.64.163.4] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <43C6A815.9030801@sasktel.net> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:06:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:19:48 +0000 (UTC) In the common parlance - IT ROCKS I think there may be a tendancy to underestimate its quality because it's so damn cheap. I even considered having 2 at one point and dividing my guitar output , (i need 2 indepenant delays with individual feedback for my stuff). If it had more than 5 secs I probably would have but again, I have specific time delays in time because of the way i work - hmm, what about 4!! Gareth > i've been browsing the g2 pdf manual. am i right in thinking there are > actually 3 independent delays in this unit that could be used > simultaneously? a tape delay in the mod/sfx module, the delay module, and > a multi-tap in the reverb module. there seems to be a lot of praise for > the g2 on harmony central regarding other features, but nothing's been > said about the delay/looping capabilities, apart from the brief blurb on > ld recently. quite a bargain for $100 it appears - intelligent > pitch-shifting, quiet, fast patch changes, assignable foot switch/exp > pedal. people say they even like the distortions and amp simulations. one > guy said it even sounded better after he dropped it from his 41st floor > balcony...i love it when people say stuff like that. makes me want to read > comic books all day, eat fatty pastries, and race trains. nowaddameen? > > shayne > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:19:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D44F3BF3A; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.64.163.4] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:15:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C617B4.FD74F310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:19:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C617B4.FD74F310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Monk, I'm currently using an edirol m100 fx sound card cum mixer as my = input/output. I'm getting 3.2ms with a buffer size of 144 running = audiomulch with delay, reverb and filter vsts.as well as simple mixers = and a loop player for drum loops etc. My basic sound comes from either = the zoom g2.1u, (still havent taken it back to college) or the 8080 = functions which i can just about run alongside the midi capabilities of = same - It's a bit complex and more than a little idiosyncratic.... I'm dithering between fcb1010 and my old sub aqua zoom 8080. The 8080 is = smaller and i like the cc pedals on either side of the unit - i see my = loops as right and left loops this way. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: monk=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: latency questions can you give me an idea of what software and hardware interface you = are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer set = really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and = (forgive the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a = mixer as an AUX or is your sound going thru the computer (more like an = insert...) i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i = think) with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the = 15-35 range, i'd guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range. thanks monk@fuse.net On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote: 20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime os = discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. These = figures are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying out new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to add, say = a compressor without adding any weight to my rig. A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on the net - = there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and minimal.. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C617B4.FD74F310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Monk,
I'm currently using an edirol m100 fx = sound card=20 cum mixer as my input/output. I'm getting 3.2ms with a buffer size of = 144=20 running audiomulch with delay, reverb and filter vsts.as well as simple = mixers=20 and a loop player for drum loops etc. My basic sound comes from either = the zoom=20 g2.1u, (still havent taken it back to college) or the 8080 functions = which i can=20 just about run alongside the midi capabilities of same - It's a bit = complex and=20 more than a little idiosyncratic....
I'm dithering between fcb1010 and my = old sub aqua=20 zoom 8080. The 8080 is smaller and i like the cc pedals on either side = of the=20 unit  - i see my loops as right and left loops this = way.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 monk
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, January 12, = 2006 6:24=20 PM
Subject: latency = questions

can you give me an idea of what software and hardware = interface=20 you are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer = set=20 really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and = (forgive=20 the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a mixer as = an AUX or=20 is your sound going thru the computer (more like an insert...)

i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i = think)=20 with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the 15-35 = range, i'd=20 guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range.


thanks




On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote:

20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime = os=20 discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable

on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. = These figures=20 are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying = out

new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to = add, say a=20 compressor without adding any weight to my rig.

A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on = the net -=20 there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and=20 = minimal..


------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C617B4.FD74F310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461AE3BF0F; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.64.163.4] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:20:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C617B5.AB9E5E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:20:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C617B5.AB9E5E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable forgot to say it's a 1.1 ghz pentium 3 with 1/2 meg of ram and win xp. = -good huh? Gareth can you give me an idea of what software and hardware interface you = are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer set = really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and = (forgive the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a = mixer as an AUX or is your sound going thru the computer (more like an = insert...) i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i = think) with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the = 15-35 range, i'd guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range. thanks monk@fuse.net On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote: 20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime os = discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. These = figures are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying out new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to add, say = a compressor without adding any weight to my rig. A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on the net - = there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and minimal.. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C617B5.AB9E5E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
forgot to say it's a 1.1 ghz pentium 3 = with 1/2=20 meg of ram and win xp. -good huh?
 
Gareth

can you give me an idea of what software and hardware = interface=20 you are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer = set=20 really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and = (forgive=20 the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a mixer as = an AUX or=20 is your sound going thru the computer (more like an insert...)

i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i = think)=20 with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the 15-35 = range, i'd=20 guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range.


thanks




On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote:

20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime = os=20 discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable

on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. = These figures=20 are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying = out

new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to = add, say a=20 compressor without adding any weight to my rig.

A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on = the net -=20 there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and=20 = minimal..


------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C617B5.AB9E5E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 20:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1333BF59; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--122880018 Message-Id: <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:35:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <7uSgt.A.ROH.M2rxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:35:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--122880018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 12, 2006, at 3:15 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote: > I'm currently using an edirol m100 fx sound card cum mixer as my > input/output. I'm getting 3.2ms with a buffer size of 144 running > audiomulch with delay, reverb and filter vsts.as well as simple > mixers and a loop player for drum loops etc. My basic sound comes > from either the zoom g2.1u, (still havent taken it back to college) > or the 8080 functions which i can just about run alongside the midi > capabilities of same - It's a bit complex and more than a little > idiosyncratic.... > I'm dithering between fcb1010 and my old sub aqua zoom 8080. The > 8080 is smaller and i like the cc pedals on either side of the > unit - i see my loops as right and left loops this way. cool thanks for the info. but what most folks with low latency are running seem to be pretty lean programs.. no ableton or logic and no one is using firewire. kind of what i suspected. thanks for the information that helps. --Apple-Mail-2--122880018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jan 12, 2006, = at 3:15 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote:

I'm currently using an = edirol m100 fx sound card cum mixer as my input/output. I'm getting = 3.2ms with a buffer size of 144 running audiomulch with delay, reverb = and filter vsts.as well as simple mixers and a loop player for drum = loops etc. My basic sound comes from either the zoom g2.1u, (still = havent taken it back to college) or the 8080 functions which i can just = about run alongside the midi capabilities of same - It's a bit complex = and more than a little idiosyncratic....
I'm dithering between = fcb1010 and my old sub aqua zoom 8080. The 8080 is smaller and i like = the cc pedals on either side of the unit=A0 - i see my loops as right = and left loops this = way.


cool thanks for the info. = but what most folks with low latency are running seem to be pretty lean = programs.. no ableton or logic and no one is using firewire. kind of = what i suspected. thanks for the information that helps.



= --Apple-Mail-2--122880018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 22:12:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41FF43BEFE; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:12:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: latency questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:12:45 +0000 (UTC) At 3:35 PM -0500 1/12/06, monk wrote: > >cool thanks for the info. but what most folks with low latency are >running seem to be pretty lean programs.. no ableton or logic and no >one is using firewire. kind of what i suspected. thanks for the >information that helps. Um, not quite... I'm using Ableton Live 5.x with an Edirol FA-101 firewire interface, and running at about 4-5ms latency. I use it primarily for live (no pun intended) processing, and the FA-101 functions as both my mixer and audio matrix. The extra ins and outs are patched into external processors, and all routing and levels are controlled within Live. Before the CPU spikes, I can usually get up to 4 or 5 plug-ins running on each channel (2 inputs + effect send/returns) dependant upon just which plugs I'm using. This is on a 12" Powerbook 1.33Ghz with 2gigs RAM. --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play. I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 22:19:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02B133BF14; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--116608677 Message-Id: From: monk Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:19:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <2Ou5SB.A.jMB.JYtxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:19:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--116608677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:12 PM, mech wrote: > I'm using Ableton Live 5.x with an Edirol FA-101 firewire > interface, and running at about 4-5ms latency. > > I use it primarily for live (no pun intended) processing, and the > FA-101 functions as both my mixer and audio matrix. The extra ins > and outs are patched into external processors, and all routing and > levels are controlled within Live. Before the CPU spikes, I can > usually get up to 4 or 5 plug-ins running on each channel (2 inputs > + effect send/returns) dependant upon just which plugs I'm using. > > This is on a 12" Powerbook 1.33Ghz with 2gigs RAM. fascinating. how did you check the latency? i must say that it's hard for me to believe that you're getting that low latency with firewire. do you use the FA-101 with a direct out kind of thing for your main signal? i guess i'm asking: does ALL of your signal go to the computer before you hear it, or is some of it routed back to whatever you're using to amplify/record your music? monk --Apple-Mail-3--116608677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jan 12, 2006, = at 5:12 PM, mech wrote:

I'm using Ableton Live 5.x = with an Edirol FA-101 firewire interface, and running at about 4-5ms = latency.


I use it primarily for live (no pun intended) = processing, and the FA-101 functions as both my mixer and audio = matrix.=A0 The extra ins = and outs are patched into external processors, and all routing and = levels are controlled within Live.=A0= Before the CPU spikes, I can usually get up to 4 or 5 plug-ins = running on each channel (2 inputs + effect send/returns) dependant upon = just which plugs I'm using.


This is on a 12" Powerbook = 1.33Ghz with 2gigs RAM.

=

fascinating. how did you check the latency? = i must say that it's hard for me to believe that you're getting that low = latency with firewire. do you use the FA-101 with a direct out kind of = thing for your main signal? i guess i'm asking: does ALL of your signal = go to the computer before you hear it, or is some of it routed back to = whatever you're using to amplify/record your music?


monk
= --Apple-Mail-3--116608677-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 22:40:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230BF3BF04; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:40:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: latency questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:40:32 +0000 (UTC) At 5:19 PM -0500 1/12/06, monk wrote: >On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:12 PM, mech wrote: > >>I'm using Ableton Live 5.x with an Edirol FA-101 firewire >>interface, and running at about 4-5ms latency. > >fascinating. how did you check the latency? i must say that it's >hard for me to believe that you're getting that low latency with >firewire. That's according to the latency calculations within Ableton's preferences (as you set the number of bytes in the buffer, it automatically calculates the latency at your selected sample rate). So, I am making the assumption that Ableton is not lying to me. Regardless, it doesn't seem enough to be audibly discernable outside a "lab" environment. >do you use the FA-101 with a direct out kind of thing for your main >signal? i guess i'm asking: does ALL of your signal go to the >computer before you hear it, or is some of it routed back to >whatever you're using to amplify/record your music? As you've accurately deduced, I am *not* mixing my direct signal with the processed signal (other than as an experiment to test latency). Everything goes into the computer, floats around getting wacky, then eventually gets output to the PA. If I ran it in parallel to a direct signal it would limit me a lot more as it would audibly call attention to what latency there is. This is especially so in regard to effect routing to external processors. Every time I run an effect loop to a hardware device, the latency accretes with every D/A/D conversion (hence, I primarily use delay-based effects on the hardware side; you're not going to notice a few extra ms of delay there). Thus, the overall latency is low enough that I can compensate for it through my playing, as long as the direct output is not there to distract/confuse me. That's merely my personal preference, however, and YMMV. --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 22:48:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809B83BECA; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--114918019 Message-Id: <796A3A0D-87B1-40FB-BB64-6009B02D7C43@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:47:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--114918019 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:40 PM, mech wrote: > As you've accurately deduced, I am *not* mixing my direct signal > with the processed signal (other than as an experiment to test > latency). Everything goes into the computer, floats around getting > wacky, then eventually gets output to the PA. If I ran it in > parallel to a direct signal it would limit me a lot more as it > would audibly call attention to what latency there is. cool. i understand... i still wonder if the latency is really that low. i'll try with my motu 828 and do a test. but i think that if your latency was really in the 4-5ms range...well that's almost undetectable. even a hardware box like the adrenalinn has noticeable latency to me. but maybe i'm some kind of freak. thanks for the details. --Apple-Mail-4--114918019 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jan 12, 2006, = at 5:40 PM, mech wrote:

As you've accurately = deduced, I am *not* mixing my direct signal with the processed signal = (other than as an experiment to test latency). Everything goes into the = computer, floats around getting wacky, then eventually gets output to = the PA.=A0 If I ran it in = parallel to a direct signal it would limit me a lot more as it would = audibly call attention to what latency there is.

=


cool. i understand... i = still wonder if the latency is really that low. i'll try with my motu = 828 and do a test. but i think that if your latency was really in the = 4-5ms range...well that's almost undetectable.=A0


even a hardware box like = the adrenalinn has noticeable latency to me. but maybe i'm some kind of = freak.

thanks = for the details.



= --Apple-Mail-4--114918019-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 23:11:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE663BEF3; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:10:31 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <961864163.20060113001031@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: Re[2]: latency questions In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> <4A716E8B-D292-4472-9981-0B55506B5548@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:11:10 +0000 (UTC) m> At 5:19 PM -0500 1/12/06, monk wrote: >>On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:12 PM, mech wrote: >> >>>I'm using Ableton Live 5.x with an Edirol FA-101 firewire >>>interface, and running at about 4-5ms latency. >> >>fascinating. how did you check the latency? i must say that it's >>hard for me to believe that you're getting that low latency with >>firewire. m> That's according to the latency calculations within Ableton's m> preferences (as you set the number of bytes in the buffer, it m> automatically calculates the latency at your selected sample rate). m> So, I am making the assumption that Ableton is not lying to me. most ASIO hosts "forget" to include the time the AD/DA converters need, usually this is 32 samples in one direction. In Cubase SX there is a parameter to adjust (Floating audio recording offset), how much recorded audio should be shifted, I had to set it to 66 samples (2x33). Cubase users search for "audio loopback test" at cubase.net but I think this should also be valid for other software. Does anybody know if the 32samples are related to the sampling frequency? Matthias (L) m> Regardless, it doesn't seem enough to be audibly discernable outside m> a "lab" environment. >>do you use the FA-101 with a direct out kind of thing for your main >>signal? i guess i'm asking: does ALL of your signal go to the >>computer before you hear it, or is some of it routed back to >>whatever you're using to amplify/record your music? m> As you've accurately deduced, I am *not* mixing my direct signal with m> the processed signal (other than as an experiment to test latency). m> Everything goes into the computer, floats around getting wacky, then m> eventually gets output to the PA. If I ran it in parallel to a m> direct signal it would limit me a lot more as it would audibly call m> attention to what latency there is. m> This is especially so in regard to effect routing to external m> processors. Every time I run an effect loop to a hardware device, m> the latency accretes with every D/A/D conversion (hence, I primarily m> use delay-based effects on the hardware side; you're not going to m> notice a few extra ms of delay there). m> Thus, the overall latency is low enough that I can compensate for it m> through my playing, as long as the direct output is not there to m> distract/confuse me. That's merely my personal preference, however, m> and YMMV. m> --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 23:24:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390283BED8; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: latency questions Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:24:39 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <796A3A0D-87B1-40FB-BB64-6009B02D7C43@fuse.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYXyjBuhPfe2yyXSJW3sJCyTBDhcgAAbwTQ Resent-Message-ID: <9TQHHD.A.swD.7UuxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:24:44 +0000 (UTC) On the latency topic, here are my observations. The cheap solution: Terratec Phase26 USB. Works perfect and stable with an output latency of 16ms and input latency of 5ms = global latency of 21ms. Very seldomly clicks at 9ms/4ms = 13ms. Unuseable at its lowest setting (4ms/3ms = 7ms). The better solution: RME Digiface connected to Hammerfall CardBus. works perfect and stable with 2ms/2ms = 4ms. unuseable at its lowest setting (1ms/1ms = 2ms). I havent' tried optimizing my system for using ultra low latency, as suggested by RME. Still, 4ms is MUCH better than 21ms. You get what you pay for...;-) Please be advised that I did not measure the total latency of, say running from the A/Ds to the ADAT interface into the Digiface into the Hammerfall CardBus through the buffers through Live's I/O through several effects through Live's I/O through the buffers through the Hammerfall into the Digiface into the ADAT interface and out to the D/As. And this is bascially what we're after if we are looking at latency. Per, you mentioned you always listen to your instrument's signal before going through the laptop chain. Now my question: how do you make sure this way that you are "in time" with what comes out of your laptop if you actually record a loop or something? I'll try to explain what I mean. Let's say we have three timing systems running at the same speed but with different offsets. 1) the sound of your instrument (the input) 2) "the inside of your laptop" - the timing system of e.g. Mobius 3) what comes out of the speakers (the output) I think it's safe to say that 3 is later than 2 is later than 1. Let's call the respective delays d12 and d23. Note that there are different possibilities in which timing system you perceive your own playing. If you listen to the signal going through the converters, through the laptop and then coming back out of the speakers, you listen to it in system 3 - case A. If you monitor your unprocessed/converted signal, you listen to it in system 1 - case B. Case A: You listen to a loop playing back (in timing system 3) and play along with it (in timing system 1). Everything you play reaches your ear some time t=d12+d23 after you play it. (nb: this is not at all unusual for people e.g. playing old church organs, both from mechanical, pneumatical and acoustic delays). Hence, you start playing everything a little earlier, namely by t. So your playing arrives at 2 (in Mobius for an overdub) actually d23 before you hear it, but that is ok because the loop happens in Mobius by definition d23 before you hear it, too. So your overdub is perfectly in sync with the original loop. Case B: You listen to a loop playing back (in timing system 3) and play along with it (in timing system 1). Everything you play reaches your ear instantly, so you don't have to "correct" anything. So something you overdub onto your loop takes the time d12 after you play it to get to Mobius, and Mobius actually played something d23 ahead of what you heard when you played your overdub - hence your overdub happens with a delay of t - which, with crappy hardware can be more than 20ms. (something like 32T at moderate house tempo). So while it's perfectly cool to put your "unprocessed" instrument signal into the mix together with any non-looper effects you might be using (like reverb or chorus, which usually even have a predelay of their own, which you can then shorten accordingly), I would recommend against doing so when actually overdubbing loops. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 23:45:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1D83BEC5; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZrXp1HYGZ6a6/jl7MaRmL2L71e5TnUO0jdEVRPbhJHd4brDTjpsI6SrjcNp05MmuxcW5q9cW8Ho6tLRynwcJ0OaHMf5VtyzWGUcvlz0apBZ5BCuEWpBaVUB6zVgsxL25U67a04hLCXWr5fzUYcN+vPZCPQcEldhccql/P04Dhuk= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601121544vb19ec35w353ef63b9fe48e75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:44:57 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: latency questions In-Reply-To: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <796A3A0D-87B1-40FB-BB64-6009B02D7C43@fuse.net> <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Boy, that RME digiface sounds sweet! A cheaper solution would be the Echo Indigo IO at $179.95. I was using a buffer of 528 samples on a slow 2Ghz Celeron (NOT the newer mobile "M" chip) notebook with no problems. 256 was workable if I didn't tax the system too much. Even cheaper is the free download of ASIO4all which works nearly as well with the notebooks stock sound card. It's been updated significantly in the past year. A buffer of 256 samples doesn't bother me at all, but then I'm probably not a _real_ musician. : ) On 1/12/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > On the latency topic, here are my observations. > > The cheap solution: Terratec Phase26 USB. > Works perfect and stable with an output latency of 16ms and input latency= of > 5ms =3D global latency of 21ms. > Very seldomly clicks at 9ms/4ms =3D 13ms. > Unuseable at its lowest setting (4ms/3ms =3D 7ms). > > The better solution: RME Digiface connected to Hammerfall CardBus. > works perfect and stable with 2ms/2ms =3D 4ms. > unuseable at its lowest setting (1ms/1ms =3D 2ms). > > I havent' tried optimizing my system for using ultra low latency, as > suggested by RME. Still, 4ms is MUCH better than 21ms. You get what you p= ay > for...;-) > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 00:29:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8C293BEDA; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011501c617d8$369b25b0$6602a8c0@raem50> From: "Reid Ertsgaard" To: References: Subject: Re: past solo performance... Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:00:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Very Interesting. I got the same claustrophobic crawling through an underground labyrinthine hiding from the Morlocks feel. Very tasty. Reid Think Pay attention The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open. - Gunter Grass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: past solo performance... Thanks Kris for listening! The 1/2 speed stuff is from my old trusy digitech echo+ Cheers Lou >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: past solo performance... >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:31:58 -0700 > >Nice clip...some big and gargantuan tones in there....some reverse and >recording on half speed at the beginning? Reminds me of getting dragged by >my feet through the bowls of an alien spacecraft by some maniacal and >devious Saurian Grey, who has nothing better to do than pin my eyes open >and shove a medical exploratory probe up my a....... :) > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rossi" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:33 AM >Subject: past solo performance... > > >>Happy New Year. >> >>Here's an excerpt from a past solo performance of touch guitar & loops >> >>http://jeremyslater.net/lourossi/ >> >> >>Cheers & thanks for listening. >>Lou Rossi. >>http://myspace.com/lourossi >> >> >> >>>From: "William Walker" >>>Reply-To: >>>To: >>>Subject: RE: Zoe tour sighting... >>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:03:03 -0800 >>> >>>Are you playing with her on Letterman as well? I watched last night, and >>>tonight I have a gig, rats! I wanted to catch it. >>>Bill >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Zoe Keating [mailto:cello@zoekeating.com] >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:14 AM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting... >>> >>> >>>yup.... >>>...she'll be on tonight though... >>> >>>On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: >>> >>> > Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >>> > idiotic >>> > skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >>> > hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >>> > breakaleg >>> > seeya >>> > staninsanfran >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >>> >> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >>> >> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >>> >> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >>> >> Come see us! >>> >> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >>> >> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >>> >> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >>> >> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >>> >> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >>> >> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >>> >> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >>> >> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >>> >> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >>> >> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >>> >> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >>> >> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >>> >> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 00:49:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB61C3BEE6; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3143.70.112.20.111.1137113387.squirrel@70.112.20.111> In-Reply-To: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <796A3A0D-87B1-40FB-BB64-6009B02D7C43@fuse.net> <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:49:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: latency questions From: "Chris Kline" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8tW0WD.A.uGG.nkvxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) My latency opinions: I can DEAL with a 256 sample buffer size, but I need 128 to be happy, and 64 feels even better but I probably wouldn't notice 32....and I'm not a great guitar player. Professional guitar players who I've plugged into my rig (without telling them about latency) will immediately notice and hate 256 samples, and about half will do the same for 128. For keyboards you get 2 latency bonus': 1) You are not running though the soundcard input so latency is cut in half. 2) A little extra latency translates in your brain as the weight of the keys. If you are very in touch with your keyboard weighting you may not like it, but I've been able to play at 512 and deal with it. ASIO4All is GREAT and I have frequently used it at live performances for output only. It's less of an option for guitar because you need some sort of preamp to set the input volume with - using the mixer software will effectively reduce the bitrate. It also ends up having a few extra samples that it must round up to a standard buffer size, so it's hard to get it to 64 or 128 in my experience. And of course you need connecters in interface a 1/8" (3.5mm)headphone output...and non pro connectors are often not gig-worthy. I put up a little explanation of latency at http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=19. Chris http://chriskline.com > On the latency topic, here are my observations. > > The cheap solution: Terratec Phase26 USB. > Works perfect and stable with an output latency of 16ms and input latency > of > 5ms = global latency of 21ms. > Very seldomly clicks at 9ms/4ms = 13ms. > Unuseable at its lowest setting (4ms/3ms = 7ms). > > The better solution: RME Digiface connected to Hammerfall CardBus. > works perfect and stable with 2ms/2ms = 4ms. > unuseable at its lowest setting (1ms/1ms = 2ms). > > I havent' tried optimizing my system for using ultra low latency, as > suggested by RME. Still, 4ms is MUCH better than 21ms. You get what you > pay > for...;-) > > Please be advised that I did not measure the total latency of, say running > from the A/Ds to the ADAT interface into the Digiface into the Hammerfall > CardBus through the buffers through Live's I/O through several effects > through Live's I/O through the buffers through the Hammerfall into the > Digiface into the ADAT interface and out to the D/As. And this is > bascially > what we're after if we are looking at latency. > > > Per, you mentioned you always listen to your instrument's signal before > going through the laptop chain. Now my question: how do you make sure this > way that you are "in time" with what comes out of your laptop if you > actually record a loop or something? I'll try to explain what I mean. > > Let's say we have three timing systems running at the same speed but with > different offsets. > 1) the sound of your instrument (the input) > 2) "the inside of your laptop" - the timing system of e.g. Mobius > 3) what comes out of the speakers (the output) > > I think it's safe to say that 3 is later than 2 is later than 1. Let's > call > the respective delays d12 and d23. > > Note that there are different possibilities in which timing system you > perceive your own playing. If you listen to the signal going through the > converters, through the laptop and then coming back out of the speakers, > you > listen to it in system 3 - case A. If you monitor your > unprocessed/converted > signal, you listen to it in system 1 - case B. > > Case A: > You listen to a loop playing back (in timing system 3) and play along with > it (in timing system 1). Everything you play reaches your ear some time > t=d12+d23 after you play it. (nb: this is not at all unusual for people > e.g. > playing old church organs, both from mechanical, pneumatical and acoustic > delays). Hence, you start playing everything a little earlier, namely by > t. > So your playing arrives at 2 (in Mobius for an overdub) actually d23 > before > you hear it, but that is ok because the loop happens in Mobius by > definition > d23 before you hear it, too. So your overdub is perfectly in sync with the > original loop. > > Case B: > You listen to a loop playing back (in timing system 3) and play along with > it (in timing system 1). Everything you play reaches your ear instantly, > so > you don't have to "correct" anything. So something you overdub onto your > loop takes the time d12 after you play it to get to Mobius, and Mobius > actually played something d23 ahead of what you heard when you played your > overdub - hence your overdub happens with a delay of t - which, with > crappy > hardware can be more than 20ms. (something like 32T at moderate house > tempo). > > > So while it's perfectly cool to put your "unprocessed" instrument signal > into the mix together with any non-looper effects you might be using (like > reverb or chorus, which usually even have a predelay of their own, which > you > can then shorten accordingly), I would recommend against doing so when > actually overdubbing loops. > > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 01:52:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0313BED6; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PXRYUTGh99yZCaGnMJHGSDlWTIqAUO4ZVyv4yRnzkMnFWkzAOOL/HCiFkJbayyaT; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200615131599570@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zoom G2 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940955e23c9230366e55ad0c96affe3753e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:52:39 +0000 (UTC) yes, Shane, I know exactly what you mean. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Shayne Cafferata > To: > Date: 1/12/2006 2:05:12 PM > Subject: Zoom G2 > > i've been browsing the g2 pdf manual. am i right in thinking there are > actually 3 independent delays in this unit that could be used > simultaneously? a tape delay in the mod/sfx module, the delay module, > and a multi-tap in the reverb module. there seems to be a lot of praise > for the g2 on harmony central regarding other features, but nothing's > been said about the delay/looping capabilities, apart from the brief > blurb on ld recently. quite a bargain for $100 it appears - intelligent > pitch-shifting, quiet, fast patch changes, assignable foot switch/exp > pedal. people say they even like the distortions and amp simulations. > one guy said it even sounded better after he dropped it from his 41st > floor balcony...i love it when people say stuff like that. makes me want > to read comic books all day, eat fatty pastries, and race trains. > nowaddameen? > > shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 02:01:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EDEF3BEE8; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C70948.8070205@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:58:32 -0800 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2nd EDP+ for stereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I currently take the output from my lone EDP+ and send it through an Alesis Microverb III to get some pseudo-stereo separation. I'm considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process my loops in true stereo. I was wondering if any players who have taken this step can comment on their experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? Did it really make a difference in your playing fun? Any technical problems? etc... Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 02:14:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17F3A3BEEE; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b3301c617e7$15584b30$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43C70948.8070205@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:14:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 440, in=200195, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:14:37 +0000 (UTC) I use two EDPs in true stereo. We've had this discussion before on the list, and playing in stereo is less important to some than others, but for me it is essential to my "current" sound, given all the stereo imaging I use with my laptop VST effects. I'm also an addict of lush stereo chorus and stereo delay where the left side is lightly longer than the right. In any event, I have had no troubles with my setup, except initially when trying to figure out how to get the two EDPs to sync up and prevent signal drift. When you get to that point, send me an email and I'll send you the list of parameters. I run from my into my Boss VF1 from my guitar, out of the VF1 in stereo, into my laptop in stereo, out of the laptop in stereo, into my Mackie mixer board (two channels panned left and right), and then I run out of the mixer's BUSS 1 into the input of one EDP, and out of BUSS 2 into the input of the other EDP....then out of the two EDPs into two channels of the board, panned left and right. This way, when multiple people or instruments are plugged into my board, I can simply press the buss 1/2 button on their channel and loop them in my mix. I run an Lexicon LXP1 in my mixer's AUX 1 channel, and back into a stereo channel of the board for a nice reverb on everything. I think the results are especially noticeable and fun when you are recording off the board....then the stereo imaging really pops out, if you are using effects that to tricks in stereo. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Montgomery" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: 2nd EDP+ for stereo > Hi all, I currently take the output from my lone EDP+ and send it through > an Alesis Microverb III to get some pseudo-stereo separation. I'm > considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process my loops in true stereo. I > was wondering if any players who have taken this step can comment on their > experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? Did it really make a > difference in your playing fun? Any technical problems? etc... > > Dennis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 02:16:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3627A3BEFB; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ggSDv9lmR7mPW9FQWAuyejB8Kyh+7rK0MAZlc4QHycWvydcDaknXMYSRbd2QOH6J; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "eyuhas" To: Subject: Making Your Own CD/CD Sales/MySpace Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C617BD.762A76B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYX516AFfqP/D7oQ729F2PPO5mdbg== Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bce2569669f7161cb5a61f5b53caeae6d7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.0.229.111 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:16:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C617BD.762A76B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang! All these threads about releasing CDs, outlets for getting one's music out there and CD sales declination has gotten me inspired! So, to begin my journey from "bedroom looper" to performing musician, I put myself on MySpace.com. Hey, it's a big start for me! I've also recently begun playing open mikes, and will soon have my guitar rig racked up and made portable with pedalboards. Go here for the link: http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas I have three excerpted tunes there to hold me over until my official website is launched. I have new recording ideas in the works, too. I pride myself in the area of playing improvisational and looping on-the-fly; that way I'm not held to anything! LOL Tell me what ya think! I respect any and all opinions from this very talented, diversified group of loopers. You guys/girls rock! Thanks for the continued inspiration. Peace. Ed in NJ ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C617BD.762A76B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi gang!

 

All these threads about releasing CDs, outlets for = getting one’s music out there and CD sales declination has gotten me = inspired!

 

So, to begin my journey from “bedroom = looper” to performing musician, I put myself on MySpace.com. Hey, it’s a big = start for me!

I’ve also recently begun playing open mikes, = and will soon have my guitar rig racked up and made portable with = pedalboards.

 

Go here for the link: http://www.myspace.com/edwar= d_yuhas

 

I have three excerpted tunes there to hold me over = until my official website is launched. I have new recording ideas in the works, = too.

I pride myself in the area of playing improvisational = and looping on-the-fly; that way I’m not held to anything! = LOL

 

Tell me what ya think! I respect any and all opinions = from this very talented, diversified group of loopers. You guys/girls = rock!

 

Thanks for the continued = inspiration…

 

Peace.

 

Ed in NJ

------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C617BD.762A76B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 02:24:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81E73BED3; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: loopers-delight Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--101800692 Reply-To: Grossman Ben Subject: Looping gear for sale... From: Ben Grossman Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:26:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:24:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--101800692 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello folks, Happy new year! I'm clearing out the closet - for sale are: -Electrix Repeater in great shape with SimpleTech 128mb compact flash card (no problems at all), manual and power supply. $900US/1050CDN -DOD Dimension 12 with power supply and (if I can find it) manual. $150US/175CDN -Samson PL2404 rack-mount mixer (24x4, 4 aux sends per stereo channel in only 4 rack spaces) with manual. $200US/235CDN -Boss FV-50H passive stereo volume pedal (for high-Z stuff like electric guitars). $30US/35CDN I live in South-Western Ontario, Canada, but can ship wherever (shipping costs will vary of course). Ebay references upon request. For more information, drop me a line at ben[at]macrophone.org Thanks and regards, ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- Ben Grossman ben@macrophone.org http://www.macrophone.org http://www.posttraditional.ca Post Traditional Radio is on the air! http://70.48.178.226:8000/listen.m3u macrophone.org Oxfam-fundraising T-Shirts! http://www.macrophone.org/t-shirt.htm --Apple-Mail-7--101800692 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hello folks, Happy new year! I'm clearing out the closet - for sale are: -Electrix Repeater in great shape with SimpleTech 128mb compact flash card (no problems at all), manual and power supply. $900US/1050CDN -DOD Dimension 12 with power supply and (if I can find it) manual. $150US/175CDN -Samson PL2404 rack-mount mixer (24x4, 4 aux sends per stereo channel in only 4 rack spaces) with manual. $200US/235CDN -Boss FV-50H passive stereo volume pedal (for high-Z stuff like electric guitars). $30US/35CDN I live in South-Western Ontario, Canada, but can ship wherever (shipping costs will vary of course). Ebay references upon request. 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Fingerstyle, bowing, slap harmonics, great m= iddle eastern thing, a couple of divinely chaotic noisy=20 moments that seamlessly flowed into soothing drones that flowed into raga-i= sh things. If you get a chance to see him play live, do=20 yourself a favor and GO.=20 OK, must go to sleep now. Nighty-night. Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 09:52:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E49B3BEDA; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b9901c61826$ffc3e550$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001601c6181e$64590940$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:51:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B96_01C617EC.50B9EA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 438, in=195614, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:52:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B96_01C617EC.50B9EA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great pictures, Mark. I love the one with his little hand wrapped around = your finger. :) Congratulations, again. You're looping your kid already? I guess I can't say anthing...we have = my 4 month old daugher on Xperimentus, completely replacing me on song = #2, all manipulated with Andy and Mathias' Chopitch.... Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "mark francombe" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE Born 11th January at 17.25. First sounds were made a few seconds later, which was of course = recorded. He is 3.52 kg 51 cms tall. After a Tarantino Blood Bath of a Birth, Mother and Baby doing well, Dad = is=20 knackered however. Thx to all loopers who wished me luck off list/ the first baby pics are at... http://www.markfrancombe.com/ Mark mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org=20 and works at www.transformlearning.com=20 ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14704 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0B96_01C617EC.50B9EA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great pictures, Mark. I love the one = with his=20 little hand wrapped around your finger. :) Congratulations, = again.
 
You're looping your kid already? I = guess I can't=20 say anthing...we have my 4 month old daugher on Xperimentus, completely=20 replacing me on song #2, all manipulated with Andy and Mathias'=20 Chopitch....
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "mark francombe" <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: <loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:50 = AM
Subject: Waaaay OT Baby = Spam...

NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE
Born 11th January at=20 17.25.

First sounds were made a few seconds later, which was of = course=20 recorded.

He is 3.52 kg
51 cms tall.

After a Tarantino = Blood=20 Bath of a Birth, Mother and Baby doing well, Dad is
knackered=20 however.

Thx to all loopers who wished me luck off = list/

the first=20 baby pics are at... http://www.markfrancombe.com/


Mark


mark francombe
marks website is = at=20

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1. Partners are supplied with an account number = which allows=20 them to check their sales and inventory at anytime.
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------=_NextPart_000_0974_01C61702.327D3E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 08:37:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366273BEF6; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KAIOexUOCFIUqKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060112083046.028409e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: crappy music of the masses In-Reply-To: <20060111232422.6666C3BF3D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060111232422.6666C3BF3D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:37:38 +0000 (UTC) >. In any event, without fail, after I make such remarks about other >forms of music that I don't particularly enjoy, I always end up >feeling as if I've betrayed myself as an artist and failed to heed >one of the fundamental principles that makes art what it is, viz., >utterly free and unrestrained emotional expression. Well you listened to it, and responded. Aren't you allowed your "utterly free and unrestrained emotional expression"? :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 09:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342AA3BEFA; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : Thursday night gig in London reminder... Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:30:15 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c6175a$cd5f53f0$bebb9d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <93D6EC43-03A0-4EE3-B2D6-C12E09D05318@steve-lawson.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Steve, will this gig by any means be recorded ? it'd be nice if you could afterwards give us some details about what you used (looperlative) and when, so we could hear it. Cheers Francois From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 09:31:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25783BF11; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BH2KpC5Mi4er252A7j/2SmuiDMfzR9K6s5wP9pqPUQ8Glp3UAc+fow0rrOjuXx1B; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:30:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting...ImogenHeap +++ From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48fe1e95677da8f48b79751caa78c83bf53ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:31:57 +0000 (UTC) WOW caught the tvshow tonite-she is somethin else! so, Zoe do you know how she gets her sounds? what was that instrument to her left side? saw the Powerbook and bigass mixer(?) there-was she using Repeater for her harmony vocal lines? sorry for the questions-but that will be great show to see w/ you... cant wait :-) s on 1/11/06 6:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > yup.... > ...she'll be on tonight though... > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: >> Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >> idiotic >> skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >> hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >> breakaleg >> seeya >> staninsanfran >> >> >> >> on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >> >>> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >>> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >>> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >>> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >>> Come see us! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 09:48:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 921463BF17; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A2A1E20-8D19-427A-97CA-54C009503411@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting...ImogenHeap +++ Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:48:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:48:53 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jan 2006, at 10.30, stanitarium wrote: > WOW caught the tvshow tonite-she is somethin else! > so, Zoe do you know how she gets her sounds? > what was that instrument to her left side? > saw the Powerbook and bigass mixer(?) there-was she using Repeater > for her > harmony vocal lines? > sorry for the questions-but that will be great show to see w/ you... > cant wait :-) > s Kris, you will be streaming this too will you??? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 10:20:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D383A3BF0A; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 12 Jan 2006 10:19:57 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:19:57 -0500 Subject: Way, Way off topic: Re: crappy music of the masses X-Originating-Ip: 69.106.226.14 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060112101957.79C5A86B12@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to devolve into this non-looping topic. Paul- I believe that America's past is just as violent as the present (Dept= . Of Justice has only compiled stats since 1973, and the=20 80s,90s and 00s were all less violent than the 70s). People's perceived sa= fety from crime does not track with actual crimes rates.=20=20 People, when polled, perceive crime rates to be going up when the media pla= ys sensationalized crime stories. I will gladly continue this discussion off-list, as it's something in which= I am fascinated. Yours in good-natured debate Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:24:16 -0500 >=20 > Do you really believe the volume of crime that the US experiences=20 > currently existed here since this country's inception? And that=20 > media broadcasting the various crimes is the only difference=20 > between the different historical eras of the US as regards crime???? >=20 > Where in the history of this country did high schoolers blast away=20 > at their schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did=20 > workers take rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of=20 > dozen former co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal=20 > movements slain/asassinated in this country like the past 40 years?=20 > When did blacks in the cities shoot each other dead EVERY SINGLE=20 > DAY? >=20 > I rest my case. >=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 11:25:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 285303BF0F; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:23:52 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Message-id: <43C63C48.6080404@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:25:23 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Parallel Worlds (Athens Greece). The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Insight" on Shima Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the soundtrack LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and Bebe Barron on Planet Records and released in 1956. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, January 14 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EST - GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 12:18:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 651C83BF0D; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009a01c61772$4b59e150$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <097701c6173c$e002e300$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Query: Repairs in London Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:18:26 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks, I turned on my Alesis QuadraVerb+ today and got an awful sharp buzz coming out of it. Signal-out only, I'm afraid, so it must be the unit or its power supply. I have to ask, what's an honest place to get this unit fixed in the London area? I must admit that I'm tempted to sniff up eBay as I saw one for auction at £21 recently; so if it costs more than that to fix, well... Perhaps my next effort will be named "Life Without Reverb". Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 14:09:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580F13BF01; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67F5@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:17:39 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_c4bTB.A.i2.iMmxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Guitar. Lately acoustic mostly.=20 Why Rick? Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 05:28 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Budumbump... Whats your primary instrument, or weapon of choice? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@uces.edu.ar] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:13 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Hi, I am Ariel, a looper from Argentina. From an argentinian musician point = of view: There is a joke here (mm, i dont know hot to put this in english, maybe "gag", not exactly a "joke" but..) Someone asks you. Q)What do you do for your living? A)I play music. Q)And BESIDES that? Drums fill... My half penny. I need to save for strings :) Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 11:10 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Stephen Goodman wrote: > Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you > love music, become a plumber": > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=3D/arts/2005/12/08/bmfrip= p08.xm l I love this quote most: "because life there is so hard, music isn't entertainment, it's = nutrition" straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 14:39:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B10D83BF14; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D 09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:30:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: where's the money? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) At 9:50 PM -0800 1/9/06, 3nki wrote: > >i think you'd be better off giving away CDs to boost your audience >so you could charge higher ticket prices for your performances, >rather than trying to make money from selling CDs. There used to be a much healthier synergy between selling records and touring: each fed the other. Nowadays it doesn't make much sense to tour in support of a CD, because (a) the big record companies are so irredeemably crooked that you don't make money from CDs, and (b) not that many people buy CDs any more (they rip their friends' CDs). I had a conversation about this with my new manager last week. We agreed that the only real value of a record company deal these days is in whatever you can get them to spend on promotion and publicity. For me - a singer-songwriter who uses loops, as opposed to primarily a looping musician - a label that bought ads in 'No Depression" and "Acoustic Guitar" and even "Mother Jones" would help increase my visibility so I could make more money on tour. My most recent CD was an entirely homegrown affair. I compiled it from soundboard tapes of live shows and from loop jams I did at home; had it duplicated by the same guy who burns my radio show; designed a 5" square card with track info on one side and a self-portrait on the other and had it printed by the guy who does my concert posters; and stuffed the cards and CDs into thin-line jewel cases myself for sale at gigs and online. I've sold a couple hundred copies so far, and I've made more than $9 on each one because all the songs are mine so I owe royalties to no one. That's a couple grand to plow back into my professional development. I should spend some money on ads, and I expect my manager and I will start mapping out a strategy on that front soon. One thing I hope I'm never stupid enough to do is sign a record deal that surrenders ownership of the work. I've heard too many stories over the years of artists whose record failed to meet their labels' expectations so they were dropped - but were unable to regain ownership of their masters. Don't ever do that. Your work is all you have in this chickenshit business. (P.S. I give away a lot of CDs. Costs me next to nothing.) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 14:39:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3523BF19; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5F6FDEEC-3BD0-4037-9C6D-288B16F7855E@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <011020060329.23062.43C32A2F000C43A500005A1622069997350B029A019C979C9C0E9D 09@comcast.net> <13A6D081-78F5-48C8-8C5D-6A9C812924EC@modaldub.net> <31914EE3-EF4E-422E-8368-35D14779C310@modaldub.net> <20060110134429.o54atdorsw4goowg@www.wightman.ca> <21F8E4D2-FDE0-46F1-8B89-F05D6A2AF319@midway.uchicago.edu> <5F6FDEEC-3BD0-4037-9C6D-288B16F7855E@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:37:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: where's the money? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:39:35 +0000 (UTC) At 1:09 AM -0600 1/11/06, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >You might be surprised how widespread the "tape" (anachronistic now, >I guess) trading community is now. Dimeadozen.org, for example, has >its membership capped at 100,000. Dime and other bit torrent sites >trade exclusively in lossless formats, and it's not just for >Dead-heads. Thousands of artists are represented. Whether all of it >is obsessive or not, I can't really say. Oh, it is. At least a significant segment of that community is pretty intensely obsessed with the minutiae and geekery of it all. But there are also tons of people out there who just want to enjoy the music and are delighted to have such a vast and convenient source of same. I have benefited greatly from the presence of my work on archive.org, I feel. And I am in the process of creating a page on my site that links to all of my performances that are available online. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 15:27:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768FA3BF15; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4035442.1137079640674.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: musicians and savings bonds Re: The Joke (was: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <2VprsD.A.BeD.aVnxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Another musician joke that amused me: Q: What's the difference between a musician and a savings bond? A: Only one of them will mature and make money. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Lehmann >Sent: Jan 11, 2006 2:30 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: The Joke (was: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING?) > >Yes, the comment I hear is, "So what do you do during the day?" > >The actual joke is,=20 > >Q) What do you call a musician without a girlfriend? > >A) Homeless > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@uces.edu.ar]=20 >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:13 AM >To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' >Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > >Hi, > >I am Ariel, a looper from Argentina. From an argentinian musician point of >view: > >There is a joke here (mm, i dont know hot to put this in english, maybe >"gag", not exactly a "joke" but..) > >Someone asks you. > >Q)What do you do for your living?=20 > >A)I play music. > >Q)And BESIDES that? > >Drums fill... > >My half penny. >I need to save for strings :) > >Ariel Rzezak >Buenos Aires, Argentina > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] >Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 11:10 a.m. >Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Asunto: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > >Stephen Goodman wrote: >> Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the Telegraph "If you=20 >> love music, become a plumber": >> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=3D/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp0= 8.xm >l=20 > >I love this quote most: >"because life there is so hard, music isn't entertainment, it's nutrition" > >straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... > >Stefan > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 15:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4385C3BF1A; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:23:03 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses To: Paul , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00df01c6178e$be8f6020$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007601c61716$e7a97680$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Paul wrote: > Do you really believe the volume of crime that the US experiences currently > existed here since this country's inception? And that media broadcasting the > various crimes is the only difference between the different historical eras > of the US as regards crime???? > > Where in the history of this country did high schoolers blast away at their > schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did workers take > rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of dozen former > co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal movements slain/asassinated > in this country like the past 40 years? When did blacks in the cities shoot > each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY? > > I rest my case. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to seek statistical proof/disproof of your statements. But consider this: Our country, and countries all over the world, have been plagued by violence for as long as history has been recorded. If children weren't bringing guns to school, they were using guns elsewhere. And knives. And whatever else they could get their hands on. By the way, when did a single worker kill two dozen co-workers? Not to minimize the tragedy, but most of the reports of "going postal" are of one, two or three people dying, not a couple dozen. Re. death in the workplace - what about the repression of organized labor, when police and paramilitary forces killed hundreds of workers at a time? Or the use of child labor? And the belief that "hitchhiking was safer then" would be more accurately phrased as "hitchhiking was more common then." And do you have a statistical source for stating that "blacks...shoot each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY?" It's very easy to get agitated by the appearance of increased violence, but I would suggest that it is the increased media that generates an *image* of increased violence, not the result of the media generating violence. After all, how did we have all those wars before TV? When I was growing up (born 1953, raised in the suburbs of Long Island), there were seven channels I could get on TV. No FM radio meant no AM "talk" radio. No computers. No video games. But I honestly don't believe that the world was "less violent" simply because I didn't hear about it as incessantly, nor do I believe that the world has become "more violent" because we see more of it today. My take on it is that it's like dealing with alcoholism or substance abuse: part of the cure is speaking openly about its existence. Just because we used to say that "Mommy wasn't feeling good today" didn't mean that she drank less the night before. Our media obsession with violence may be our cultural way of talking out the problem. I wish peace for you, and for everyone around you. dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 15:44:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30C933BF08; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XglFPCCb8BEI1HTjaMeiUIg06NwyHxRIPkTWWzEj/gNbcJfIGgAxbF/4s8W8nTKPfFH/JypvASGhoOjTe7/DIz36rlnQnlCOLc70yc7dWtE+jQsjwU6imu3w+GWr1eOJIsNmyr+mXD0GNE94G9n+3bg8bL3GhGdNHPtAA5CeYoQ= ; Message-ID: <20060112154440.2389.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004401c61711$d3eac860$68a6eb44@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1217967560-1137080680=:97079" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-1217967560-1137080680=:97079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit is that you ?will hunting? Paul wrote: << I thought the good old days only existed for white males. >> Not so. Not so. For example, there was once a viable thriving black community in Pittsburgh in the early-middle part of this century up until around the early 60's. There were great black owner restaurants, bars where many, many black (and some white) musicians played (e.g. Billy Eckstine), black businesses. The econmic plight of blacks and the situations in many of the northern US cities became exacerbated in more recent times due to a variety of reasons. I think one of the current ones is the lack of jobs that pay a reasonable wage and the offshore outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. And the assertion of "the good old days only existing for white people" is a ridiculous assertion anyway. Things were pretty shitty for Christians during the Roman era. Things were shitty for a variety of peoples throughout the ages. So what? What do we have to do with that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > Uh, that's white land owning males. > > --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > >> Oh yeah - the good old days. Interesting note about >> chicks. I thought the >> good old days only existed for white males. >> >> >> At 2006.01.11 03:22 PM, Paul wrote: >> >> >You must be a young dude. I can remember when it >> was safe to hitchhike >> >most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't >> have any qualms about >> >getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking >> about hookers as is >> >probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent >> scene in the US didn't >> >always exist, dude. >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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is that you ?will hunting?


Paul <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
<< I thought the good old days only existed for white males. >>

Not so. Not so. For example, there was once a viable thriving black
community in Pittsburgh in the early-middle part of this century up until
around the early 60's. There were great black owner restaurants, bars where
many, many black (and some white) musicians played (e.g. Billy Eckstine),
black businesses. The econmic plight of blacks and the situations in many of
the northern US cities became exacerbated in more recent times due to a
variety of reasons. I think one of the current ones is the lack of jobs that
pay a reasonable wage and the offshore outsourcing of manufacturing jobs.

And the assertion of "the good old days only existing for white people" is a
ridiculous assertion anyway. Things were pretty shitty for Christians during
the Roman era. Things were shitty for a variety of peoples throughout the
ages. So what? What do we have to do with that?

----- Original Message -----
From: "mark sottilaro"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses


> Uh, that's white land owning males.
>
> --- Sean Echevarria wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah - the good old days. Interesting note about
>> chicks. I thought the
>> good old days only existed for white males.
>>
>>
>> At 2006.01.11 03:22 PM, Paul wrote:
>>
>> >You must be a young dude. I can remember when it
>> was safe to hitchhike
>> >most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't
>> have any qualms about
>> >getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking
>> about hookers as is
>> >probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent
>> scene in the US didn't
>> >always exist, dude.
>>
>>
>
>
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Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --0-1217967560-1137080680=:97079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 15:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CE393BF2B; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZBxBV9zPU4GR5FZ7YO8Leixju8ub868XfI1YQDxywO8x2o6bkZJ8MMB63IYz30d8m7e3NPeeUpllc3ySC3Cf2yFys6b/71Sk7bU6Vrxd9oAZAnjXwFyOHVNAH/q1Q4AB8NEfEu3hmhZv+BF+jdI2SpIxZzoBUQSG+nSoededGfs= ; Message-ID: <20060112154748.9428.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007601c61716$e7a97680$68a6eb44@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-521623553-1137080868=:5003" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-521623553-1137080868=:5003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit when ya put it like taht... i guess these are the good ole days. maniacally yours, scary Paul wrote: Do you really believe the volume of crime that the US experiences currently existed here since this country's inception? And that media broadcasting the various crimes is the only difference between the different historical eras of the US as regards crime???? Where in the history of this country did high schoolers blast away at their schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did workers take rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of dozen former co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal movements slain/asassinated in this country like the past 40 years? When did blacks in the cities shoot each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY? I rest my case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses Ironically, the "all encompassing mass media" is responsible for your sense that US society is significantly more violent now than in some mythical good 'ol days. The tabloidization of the news media and the focus on horrible crimes as the main stories of the day creates an impression that these horrible crimes are happening by the thousands, when in fact they are not the norm. There existed then and there exist now many places in the US where I would feel commfortable hitch-hiking, and many place where you could not PAY me to hitchhike. Violence in the US (and the world) DID always exist. While crime and violence rates ebb and flow, changes in the reporting style of the media (what those in power decide is newsworthy) have drastically changed peoples perceptions of how safe they are, regardless of what the current statistics might tell them. Joe Rut Paul Richard Wrote: > It happened before rap music. But did the violent society that > exists in the US occur before mass media became all encompassing? > > You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to > hitchhike most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any > qualms about getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about > hookers as is probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent > scene in the US didn't always exist, dude. > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. --0-521623553-1137080868=:5003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
when ya put it like taht... i guess these are the good ole days.
   maniacally yours,
                             scary

Paul <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
Do you really believe the volume of crime that the US experiences currently
existed here since this country's inception? And that media broadcasting the
various crimes is the only difference between the different historical eras
of the US as regards crime????

Where in the history of this country did high schoolers blast away at their
schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did workers take
rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of dozen former
co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal movements slain/asassinated
in this country like the past 40 years? When did blacks in the cities shoot
each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY?

I rest my case.

----- Original Message -----
From: "joe rut"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses


Ironically, the "all encompassing mass media" is responsible for your sense
that US society is significantly more violent now than in some mythical good
'ol
days. The tabloidization of the news media and the focus on horrible crimes
as the main stories of the day creates an impression that these horrible
crimes
are happening by the thousands, when in fact they are not the norm. There
existed then and there exist now many places in the US where I would feel
commfortable hitch-hiking, and many place where you could not PAY me to
hitchhike.


Violence in the US (and the world) DID always exist. While crime and
violence rates ebb and flow, changes in the reporting style of the media
(what those in
power decide is newsworthy) have drastically changed peoples perceptions of
how safe they are, regardless of what the current statistics might tell
them.

Joe Rut
Paul Richard Wrote:
> It happened before rap music. But did the violent society that
> exists in the US occur before mass media became all encompassing?
>
> You must be a young dude. I can remember when it was safe to
> hitchhike most anywhere. I can remember when chicks didn't have any
> qualms about getting in a stranger's car (and I'm not talking about
> hookers as is probably you're normal dating scheme). The violent
> scene in the US didn't always exist, dude.
>

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See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. --0-521623553-1137080868=:5003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 15:47:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92D7E3BF3F; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MaQ2u1J5m/0Z/Wa5x3GNybJL38bKtlmTLbRf+EZx3xg6bWUeF8qHWob9+cz83IiW3nOiuB/8/59WnNsZI9tX1O/nbBzdBGQ3uokhX+BKlR6zK9izptUdpg58PnbNi9+SmqNc3lXfhEiIKGTCaR9fN5wlH9V11QgMnseAKg64vsY= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730601120747w3928b873rb5a976947f177e8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:47:57 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses In-Reply-To: <00df01c6178e$be8f6020$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11653_2685878.1137080877418" References: <007601c61716$e7a97680$68a6eb44@BlackDell> <00df01c6178e$be8f6020$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <4i8D7.A.9UE.uonxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:47:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11653_2685878.1137080877418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ** Joseph Wesbecker shot/killed 8 people and then himself at Standard Gravure Corp. which was the printing outfit for the Louisville newspaper "The Courier-Journal" in his "postal" killings= . That is about 4 blocks from where I live. The Wesbecker case is the one often cited as the classic example of "postal"... Not quite two dozen, but.................. Clint Allen On 1/12/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > Paul wrote: > > > Do you really believe the volume of crime that the US experiences > currently > > existed here since this country's inception? And that media broadcastin= g > the > > various crimes is the only difference between the different historical > eras > > of the US as regards crime???? > > > > Where in the history of this country did high schoolers blast away at > their > > schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did workers take > > rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of dozen former > > co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal movements > slain/asassinated > > in this country like the past 40 years? When did blacks in the cities > shoot > > each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY? > > > > I rest my case. > > Unfortunately, I don't have the time to seek statistical proof/disproof o= f > your statements. But consider this: > > Our country, and countries all over the world, have been plagued by > violence > for as long as history has been recorded. If children weren't bringing > guns > to school, they were using guns elsewhere. And knives. And whatever else > they could get their hands on. By the way, when did a single worker kill > two > dozen co-workers? Not to minimize the tragedy, but most of the reports of > "going postal" are of one, two or three people dying, not a couple dozen. > Re. death in the workplace - what about the repression of organized labor= , > when police and paramilitary forces killed hundreds of workers at a time? > Or > the use of child labor? And the belief that "hitchhiking was safer then" > would be more accurately phrased as "hitchhiking was more common then." > And > do you have a statistical source for stating that "blacks...shoot each > other > dead EVERY SINGLE DAY?" It's very easy to get agitated by the appearance > of > increased violence, but I would suggest that it is the increased media > that > generates an *image* of increased violence, not the result of the media > generating violence. After all, how did we have all those wars before TV? > > When I was growing up (born 1953, raised in the suburbs of Long Island), > there were seven channels I could get on TV. No FM radio meant no AM > "talk" > radio. No computers. No video games. But I honestly don't believe that th= e > world was "less violent" simply because I didn't hear about it as > incessantly, nor do I believe that the world has become "more violent" > because we see more of it today. My take on it is that it's like dealing > with alcoholism or substance abuse: part of the cure is speaking openly > about its existence. Just because we used to say that "Mommy wasn't > feeling > good today" didn't mean that she drank less the night before. Our media > obsession with violence may be our cultural way of talking out the > problem. > > I wish peace for you, and for everyone around you. > dB > > ------=_Part_11653_2685878.1137080877418 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Joseph Wesbecker shot/killed 8 people and then hi= mself at Standard Gravure Corp. which was the printing outfit
for the Louisville newspaper "The Courier-Journal" in his "p= ostal" killings. That is about 4 blocks from where I live.

The Wesbecker case is the one often cited as the classic example of "p= ostal"...

Not quite two dozen, but..................

Clint Allen


On 1/12/06, Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
Paul wrote:

> Do you really believe the volume of crime that the = US experiences
currently
> existed here since this country's incep= tion? And that media broadcasting
the
> various crimes is the only= difference between the different historical
eras
> of the US as regards crime????
>
> Where in th= e history of this country did high schoolers blast away at
their
>= schoolmates & teachers? Where in the history of the US did workers tak= e
> rifles/revolvers/etc. into work and slay a couple of dozen former<= br>> co-workers? When were leaders of various liberal movements
slain= /asassinated
> in this country like the past 40 years? When did black= s in the cities
shoot
> each other dead EVERY SINGLE DAY?
>
> I rest = my case.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to seek statistical pr= oof/disproof of
your statements. But consider this:

Our country, = and countries all over the world, have been plagued by violence
for as long as history has been recorded. If children weren't bringing = guns
to school, they were using guns elsewhere. And knives. And whatever= else
they could get their hands on. By the way, when did a single worke= r kill two
dozen co-workers? Not to minimize the tragedy, but most of the reports = of
"going postal" are of one, two or three people dying, not a= couple dozen.
Re. death in the workplace - what about the repression of= organized labor,
when police and paramilitary forces killed hundreds of workers at a tim= e? Or
the use of child labor? And the belief that "hitchhiking was = safer then"
would be more accurately phrased as "hitchhiking w= as more common then." And
do you have a statistical source for stating that "blacks...shoot = each other
dead EVERY SINGLE DAY?" It's very easy to get agitated b= y the appearance of
increased violence, but I would suggest that it is t= he increased media that
generates an *image* of increased violence, not the result of the media=
generating violence. After all, how did we have all those wars before T= V?

When I was growing up (born 1953, raised in the suburbs of Long I= sland),
there were seven channels I could get on TV. No FM radio meant no AM &q= uot;talk"
radio. No computers. No video games. But I honestly don't= believe that the
world was "less violent" simply because I di= dn't hear about it as
incessantly, nor do I believe that the world has become "more viol= ent"
because we see more of it today. My take on it is that it's li= ke dealing
with alcoholism or substance abuse: part of the cure is speak= ing openly
about its existence. Just because we used to say that "Mommy wasn'= t feeling
good today" didn't mean that she drank less the night bef= ore. Our media
obsession with violence may be our cultural way of talkin= g out the problem.

I wish peace for you, and for everyone around you.
dB


------=_Part_11653_2685878.1137080877418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 16:21:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 155FC3BF1C; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,360,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="194304181:sNHT29131312" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730601120747w3928b873rb5a976947f177e8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <007601c61716$e7a97680$68a6eb44@BlackDell> <00df01c6178e$be8f6020$9715be18@oemcomputer> <2fb9e4730601120747w3928b873rb5a976947f177e8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:04:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses -- Gangsta' rap vs. Outlaw folk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Bringing this back to the subject of the thread (though not to the topic of looping), is Gangsta' rap simply an updated version of the outlaw myth that is part of many folk musics (Certainly country, bluegrass, Irish), or something more onerous. I could argue this one either way. (Perhaps the answer is that when Johnny Cash sang "I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die."m, he didn't give the impression that he was proud of that action.) -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 16:48:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BCC43BF2A; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:48:11 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYXl/kW3ZN2xtKuQoaVpnzbRKRDVQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (Warning: below is a lengthy description of my attempt to design a nice laptop setup for my playing. It's what you Americans seem to refer to as "anal", and I still hope somebody would explain that metaphor to me. There's also kind of a question to folks interested in or versed in audio/MIDI interfaces at the end ("ad (1)"). If you're not interested in this kind of stuff and/or hate laptops, please delete). So, I've also decided to go laptop. While I did think about the fact that laptop-based apps can do some cool stuff, I simply didn't think I needed it. The reason for me was entirely different: when playing looping-related stuff, my gear setup usually consists of three synths, a drum machine, an 8HU angled rack filled to the brim with stuff and lots of things on the floor (VBass, DL4, FCB1010 and various expression pedals and footswitches) - ah, and something like a guitar and a bass guitar. It's nice to play with this setup at home, and I've become relatively fluent with it, although I can perhaps use 10% of the power this setup gives me. It's also possible to take it to a gig in, say, Northern Italy, where I drive by car. Or Switzerland. Or something like that. Taking the setup to places where going by car is a problem like, say, the USA or Poland, this is not so good. So my plan was this: Limit my setup to a laptop plus audio/midi interface plus specific controllers (floorboard, faderbox), and design it in a way I can work with any keyboard and/or guitar/bass anyone is kind enough to borrow me. First thing: the hardware. along with my Toshiba laptop (PentiumM 2GHz, 1GB RAM), these would be the Behringer BCR2000 and FCB1010, and an interface. I started prototyping with my Terratec Phase26 (simply because it's already connected to the laptop), but knew this wouldn't work for the final design: no real mic inputs, and with that no phantom power. I don't like the RCA connectors. Only 1 MIDI port would've been just sufficient (as I already had another MIDI in and two outs at my disposal from the BCR2000). Digging through my gear, I decided upon the combo of RME Cardbus Interface/RME Digiface/Behringer ADA8000. About the Behringer: it's an 8-channel in/out to ADAT box, and for that (and for the fame that Behringer has) it's really outstanding. I have had one of those for years in my live recording setup, and if you can live with the stupid fact that the XLR input connectors only work for microphone levels (so if you're connecting anything in the "line" range, you've got to use the (balanced) 1/4'' jacks), it's a fine and reliable box. There's not much to say about the RME stuff from a quality standpoint - their stuff has a top reputation, also with regard to driver stability and performance. The Digiface itself offers three pairs of ADAT connectors, a S/PDIF coaxial pair, two pairs of MIDI in/out and - very important - a headphone jack. It also runs a mixer software on its internal DSP, allowing for some mixing and routing - sufficient to say it does everything I need at this point. By its clever routing matrix and the abundance of ADAT connectors, it would also allow me to connect something like one of my retired VR880 harddisc recorders to do multitrack recordings of performances. And eight ins and outs in this setup should be enough for any solo performer. What I had to add was a way to connect the guitar or bass - and for this, I use Behringer's small DI20 active DI. It can be connected to one of the mic ins and fed by phantom power and also has a great reputation. After some extensive thinking about which software platform to use, I decided on Ableton Live. First of all because I had already used it in a live performance context so had some experiences what worked here - and what did not. Designing the basic layout of the setup and then choosing plugins that would not completely throw down the system performance-wise did also require some thinking and also trial-and-error - and I quickly found that my requriements coming from my hardware setup (see above) were somewhat hard to fulfill. But the final layout looks some like this: 1 guitar/bass ( Amplitube and dfx Scrubby) 2 vocals (EQ Four, Compressor I, Memory, MadShifta, Scrubby) 3 Submix/recording 1 (EQ Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, SupaTrigga) 4 Submix/recording 2 (EQ Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, SupaTrigga) 5 Drumsampler [t.b.d. - perhaps Kontakt] (EQ Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, SupaTrigga) 6 Synth [t.b.d. - perhaps Pro52] (Pitch, Compressor 1, Scrubby) 7 Synth [PPG Wave] (Pitch, Compressor 1, Scrubby) 8 Organ [OrganTrio] (Pitch) 9 Piano [mda ePiano] (Pitch) 10 Tron [tapeworm] (Pitch, Scrubby) 11 Weirdo [Sun Ra] (Geometer) 12 Loop2 [Out2 of Mobius] (Eq Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, SupaTrigga) 13 R Loop [Mobius] (Eq Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, SupaTrigga) 14 R Delay [tbd] 15 R Weird FX [tbd] 16 R Reverb [Reverb] 17 Mains (EQ Four, Magneto) Tracks marked with "R" are return tracks. So here's how this works: all plugins are turned off by default. I guess having all of them going at once would give me a system load of perhaps 300%... So it's about keeping track what's on and what's not on. About everything Live allows me to is controlled by either my BCR2000 or the FCB1010. This is not the case for everything I'd like to control. Hey Ableton, why can't I control the Route to and Route from with my faderbox? And why can't I control the aux pre/post selection? And while were at it: WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE GLOBAL PRE/POST SWITCH PER AUX? Did you ever look at a real mixer in your life? What I have yet to decide on are details of how the operation of this thingie is shared between the FCB1010 and the BCR2000. First ideas: control of typical "mixer" or "front panel" functions is done with the BCR2000 (like the mixer or some dials on plugins), anything having to do with "transport" is done by the FCB1010 - as is the control of the Mobius. Now there's an interesting question: the "record arm" switches - something for the floor or for the table? These are some things I've yet to work out. And I still want to know why this stupid java-based editor for the BCR2000 allows me to transfer patches from the device to my computer, and edit them, but won't send them back! Now to working with this thing: it's real great fun! As I mentioned in another post, I've taken to edit patterns realtime (so, in addition to realtime looping, we get realtime pattern editing!) One thing I recently "invented" is recording a noise-based or atonal, non organized, quasistatistical source (analog-synth lovers call these "noodles"), record it into a Live clip and then put an envelope onto it to control the pitch over a 12-bar length and play the blues with this noise. Then program a pretty normal drum groove and activate both Scrubby and SupaTrigga on the corresponding track. And then use this madness as a background for a nice cozy guitar melody ;). There's still lots of unsolved questions and open points - some of them in short form: * actually implementing the interface for the FCB1010 * implementing most of the interface for the BCR2000 (so far, only the mixer functions have been done) * get my lazy ass down and do hook up the RME/Behringer audio/MIDI interface solution to replace the Terratec thingie * reduce the number of plugins (very important!) * reduce the number of tracks * check out wheter an even more compact interface hardware would be possible (1) * develop fallback strategies (2) * try wheter I can control one of the synths (Sun Ra?) effectively with my PS5 data glove ad (1): currently, it's two boxes: the RME Digiface and the Behringer ADA8000, making a total of 1.5 rack spaces. On the other hand, I need a minimum of two ins and four outs, headphone out, micpres and phantom power and at least one MIDI pair. On the bright side, I recently discovered that my laptop does in fact have a firewire interface, so this simplifies the choice a little bit ;). But perhaps there is a better and more compact solution. Anyone got an opinion on the ESI QuataFire 610, on the Marian Ucon CX or on the Hercules FW 16/12? ad (2): I still take into consideration that my sturdy laptop setup might fail at one point during a performance - either short-time-temporarily or for longer (meaning: until I get home after the gig ;). In this case, I'd like some minimum fallback strategy. The Digiface allows to retain the configuration of its internal mixer even if the unit is disconnected from the computer. So one idea would be to send my analogue input signals to two outputs of the ADA8000 leading to a, say, Boss DD20, which in turn return via two inputs. Normally I'd turn off the Boss (so no signal from it hits the mains), but if the computer fails, I could still do simple schticks with guitar, voice and the DD20... Thanks for listening - I keep you posted as I progress further ;-) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 16:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA393BF23; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <2a5.3b5c79a.30f7e3fd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:55:25 EST Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses -- Gangsta' rap vs. Outlaw folk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2a5.3b5c79a.30f7e3fd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <8-78rC.A.DlG.IooxDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:55:36 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2a5.3b5c79a.30f7e3fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/06 9:21:31 AM, emile@foryourhead.com writes: > (Perhaps the answer is that when Johnny Cash sang "I shot a man in > Reno just to watch him die."m, he didn't give the impression that he > was proud of that action. > ........and the next line of the song was " i'm stuck in folsom prison....".....there were consequences for his actions. listen to n.w.a. and see if there is any remorse or contrition. does there need to be either to make it art? no, but with many of these acts it is the endless droning of violence, misogyny, homophobia, etc. that a/ has a tremendously negative effect on anyone listening to it, let alone children, and b/ makes it less artistic. no, i'm not always a grumpy 40 something white boy when it comes to music.....i own albums by arrested development and public enemy. jf --part1_2a5.3b5c79a.30f7e3fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/12/06 9:21:31 AM, emile@foryourhead.com writes:


(Perhaps the answer i= s that when Johnny Cash sang "I shot a man in
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........and the next line of the song was  " i'm stuck in folsom priso= n....".....there were consequences for his actions.  listen to n.w.a.=20= and see if there is any remorse or contrition.  does there need to be=20= either to make it art?  no, but with many of these acts it is the endl= ess droning of violence, misogyny, homophobia, etc. that a/ has a tremendous= ly negative effect on anyone listening to it, let alone children, and b/ mak= es it less artistic.

no, i'm not always a grumpy 40 something white boy when it comes to music...= ..i own albums by arrested development and public enemy.

jf --part1_2a5.3b5c79a.30f7e3fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C46C3BF20; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09a501c61799$ac45d290$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060111232422.6666C3BF3D@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060112083046.028409e0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: crappy music of the masses Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:00:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 438, in=195008, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:00:28 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" >>. In any event, without fail, after I make such remarks about other forms >>of music that I don't particularly enjoy, I always end up feeling as if >>I've betrayed myself as an artist and failed to heed one of the >>fundamental principles that makes art what it is, viz., utterly free and >>unrestrained emotional expression. > > Well you listened to it, and responded. > Aren't you allowed your "utterly free and unrestrained emotional > expression"? > :-) > andy Yes indeed. Joking aside, however, this generates an intersting situation. Freedom of expression means freedom of expression. So, if an artist performs a piece of music as a form of their expression, and it revolts me, then I am free to express that I am revolted by it. All is permitted in the area of emotional expression. However, as I stated in some other email, saying "X makes me feel bad" is quite different than saying "X is bad" (where this statement is a quasi-objective statement about something other than our own state of minds or feelings) or going about about sensoring X because it doesn't appeal to us. And of course, I don't expect everyone to subscribe to my personal philosophy of aesthetics, which states that there is no such thing as an objective aesthetic or evaluative statement. I think they are meaningless and nonesensical, until translated as statements that denote personal feeling or expression. "X is bad" must be translated as "X makes me feel bad" in this system, which one cannot dispute. It is a privately validated statement of instrospection. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:08:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 918163BF3B; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:08:06 +0100 Message-ID: <005701c6179a$c2251390$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> Thread-Index: AcYXmcIK8is8AQ88Sw6f01PxBd/2sgAAOCPw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:08:11 +0000 (UTC) > Thanks for listening - I keep you posted as I progress further ;-) thanks for posting Rainer, very interesting ... and I'd love to hear music created with this setup! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:36:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522263BF08; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:35:50 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:36:05 +0000 (UTC) thanks for the detailed account, I'm also considering moving to a more laptop oriented setup over the next year and am very interested in hearing the details of how others that have gone this route do their setup. I currently have two six u racks and a 4 u rack plus the instruments... to echo someone else's comment "I don't mind playing for free, but I want to get paid for lugging all this gear" Paul Haslem, Ontario, Canada Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > (Warning: below is a lengthy description of my attempt to design a nice > laptop setup for my playing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:40:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C2E03BF23; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:39:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:40:02 +0000 (UTC) i'm also interested in getting rid of the rack and maybe using ableton and max live.. but how does one get around the latency? this seems to be the flaw in any laptop scheme.. unless you are willing to live with 20ms or more. anyone? monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic On Jan 12, 2006, at 12:35 PM, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > thanks for the detailed account, I'm also considering moving to a > more laptop > oriented setup over the next year and am very interested in hearing > the details > of how others that have gone this route do their setup. I currently > have two six > u racks and a 4 u rack plus the instruments... to echo someone > else's comment "I > don't mind playing for free, but I want to get paid for lugging all > this gear" > > Paul Haslem, > > Ontario, Canada > > > Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > >> (Warning: below is a lengthy description of my attempt to design a >> nice >> laptop setup for my playing. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E3A53BF35; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <43C7E8A9.2050504@unguitar.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:51:37 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, this is a very good info as I am letting you all explore this idea and wait the right time to make this step. But, what do you think about creating a yahoogroups or whatever to let us all follow and contribute to this and be able to collect files and infos about the "laptop rack" ? ( this is how I named a folder in my pc where I put all the important infos I collect about this project). Ld's activity has become really intense these last times and I find difficult to swim in the various topic diramations and I am always to lose important infos or references. What do you think ? my best, luca www.unguitar.com Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >(Warning: below is a lengthy description of my attempt to design a nice >laptop setup for my playing. It's what you Americans seem to refer to as >"anal", and I still hope somebody would explain that metaphor to me. There's >also kind of a question to folks interested in or versed in audio/MIDI >interfaces at the end ("ad (1)"). If you're not interested in this kind of >stuff and/or hate laptops, please delete). > > > >So, I've also decided to go laptop. While I did think about the fact that >laptop-based apps can do some cool stuff, I simply didn't think I needed it. >The reason for me was entirely different: when playing looping-related >stuff, my gear setup usually consists of three synths, a drum machine, an >8HU angled rack filled to the brim with stuff and lots of things on the >floor (VBass, DL4, FCB1010 and various expression pedals and footswitches) - >ah, and something like a guitar and a bass guitar. >It's nice to play with this setup at home, and I've become relatively fluent >with it, although I can perhaps use 10% of the power this setup gives me. >It's also possible to take it to a gig in, say, Northern Italy, where I >drive by car. Or Switzerland. Or something like that. Taking the setup to >places where going by car is a problem like, say, the USA or Poland, this is >not so good. > >So my plan was this: Limit my setup to a laptop plus audio/midi interface >plus specific controllers (floorboard, faderbox), and design it in a way I >can work with any keyboard and/or guitar/bass anyone is kind enough to >borrow me. > >First thing: the hardware. along with my Toshiba laptop (PentiumM 2GHz, 1GB >RAM), these would be the Behringer BCR2000 and FCB1010, and an interface. I >started prototyping with my Terratec Phase26 (simply because it's already >connected to the laptop), but knew this wouldn't work for the final design: >no real mic inputs, and with that no phantom power. I don't like the RCA >connectors. Only 1 MIDI port would've been just sufficient (as I already had >another MIDI in and two outs at my disposal from the BCR2000). >Digging through my gear, I decided upon the combo of RME Cardbus >Interface/RME Digiface/Behringer ADA8000. About the Behringer: it's an >8-channel in/out to ADAT box, and for that (and for the fame that Behringer >has) it's really outstanding. I have had one of those for years in my live >recording setup, and if you can live with the stupid fact that the XLR input >connectors only work for microphone levels (so if you're connecting anything >in the "line" range, you've got to use the (balanced) 1/4'' jacks), it's a >fine and reliable box. There's not much to say about the RME stuff from a >quality standpoint - their stuff has a top reputation, also with regard to >driver stability and performance. The Digiface itself offers three pairs of >ADAT connectors, a S/PDIF coaxial pair, two pairs of MIDI in/out and - very >important - a headphone jack. It also runs a mixer software on its internal >DSP, allowing for some mixing and routing - sufficient to say it does >everything I need at this point. By its clever routing matrix and the >abundance of ADAT connectors, it would also allow me to connect something >like one of my retired VR880 harddisc recorders to do multitrack recordings >of performances. And eight ins and outs in this setup should be enough for >any solo performer. >What I had to add was a way to connect the guitar or bass - and for this, I >use Behringer's small DI20 active DI. It can be connected to one of the mic >ins and fed by phantom power and also has a great reputation. > > >After some extensive thinking about which software platform to use, I >decided on Ableton Live. First of all because I had already used it in a >live performance context so had some experiences what worked here - and what >did not. Designing the basic layout of the setup and then choosing plugins >that would not completely throw down the system performance-wise did also >require some thinking and also trial-and-error - and I quickly found that my >requriements coming from my hardware setup (see above) were somewhat hard to >fulfill. But the final layout looks some like this: > >1 guitar/bass ( Amplitube and dfx Scrubby) >2 vocals (EQ Four, Compressor I, Memory, MadShifta, Scrubby) >3 Submix/recording 1 (EQ Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, >SupaTrigga) >4 Submix/recording 2 (EQ Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, >SupaTrigga) >5 Drumsampler [t.b.d. - perhaps Kontakt] (EQ Three, Compressor 1, >MadShifta, Scrubby, SupaTrigga) >6 Synth [t.b.d. - perhaps Pro52] (Pitch, Compressor 1, Scrubby) >7 Synth [PPG Wave] (Pitch, Compressor 1, Scrubby) >8 Organ [OrganTrio] (Pitch) >9 Piano [mda ePiano] (Pitch) >10 Tron [tapeworm] (Pitch, Scrubby) >11 Weirdo [Sun Ra] (Geometer) >12 Loop2 [Out2 of Mobius] (Eq Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, Scrubby, >SupaTrigga) >13 R Loop [Mobius] (Eq Three, Compressor 1, MadShifta, SupaTrigga) >14 R Delay [tbd] >15 R Weird FX [tbd] >16 R Reverb [Reverb] >17 Mains (EQ Four, Magneto) > >Tracks marked with "R" are return tracks. > >So here's how this works: all plugins are turned off by default. I guess >having all of them going at once would give me a system load of perhaps >300%... So it's about keeping track what's on and what's not on. About >everything Live allows me to is controlled by either my BCR2000 or the >FCB1010. This is not the case for everything I'd like to control. Hey >Ableton, why can't I control the Route to and Route from with my faderbox? >And why can't I control the aux pre/post selection? And while were at it: >WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE GLOBAL PRE/POST SWITCH PER AUX? Did you ever look at a >real mixer in your life? > >What I have yet to decide on are details of how the operation of this >thingie is shared between the FCB1010 and the BCR2000. First ideas: control >of typical "mixer" or "front panel" functions is done with the BCR2000 (like >the mixer or some dials on plugins), anything having to do with "transport" >is done by the FCB1010 - as is the control of the Mobius. Now there's an >interesting question: the "record arm" switches - something for the floor or >for the table? These are some things I've yet to work out. And I still want >to know why this stupid java-based editor for the BCR2000 allows me to >transfer patches from the device to my computer, and edit them, but won't >send them back! > > >Now to working with this thing: it's real great fun! As I mentioned in >another post, I've taken to edit patterns realtime (so, in addition to >realtime looping, we get realtime pattern editing!) One thing I recently >"invented" is recording a noise-based or atonal, non organized, >quasistatistical source (analog-synth lovers call these "noodles"), record >it into a Live clip and then put an envelope onto it to control the pitch >over a 12-bar length and play the blues with this noise. Then program a >pretty normal drum groove and activate both Scrubby and SupaTrigga on the >corresponding track. And then use this madness as a background for a nice >cozy guitar melody ;). > >There's still lots of unsolved questions and open points - some of them in >short form: > * actually implementing the interface for the FCB1010 > * implementing most of the interface for the BCR2000 (so far, only >the mixer functions have been done) > * get my lazy ass down and do hook up the RME/Behringer audio/MIDI >interface solution to replace the Terratec thingie > * reduce the number of plugins (very important!) > * reduce the number of tracks > * check out wheter an even more compact interface hardware would be >possible (1) > * develop fallback strategies (2) > * try wheter I can control one of the synths (Sun Ra?) effectively >with my PS5 data glove > > >ad (1): currently, it's two boxes: the RME Digiface and the Behringer >ADA8000, making a total of 1.5 rack spaces. On the other hand, I need a >minimum of two ins and four outs, headphone out, micpres and phantom power >and at least one MIDI pair. On the bright side, I recently discovered that >my laptop does in fact have a firewire interface, so this simplifies the >choice a little bit ;). But perhaps there is a better and more compact >solution. Anyone got an opinion on the ESI QuataFire 610, on the Marian Ucon >CX or on the Hercules FW 16/12? > >ad (2): I still take into consideration that my sturdy laptop setup might >fail at one point during a performance - either short-time-temporarily or >for longer (meaning: until I get home after the gig ;). In this case, I'd >like some minimum fallback strategy. The Digiface allows to retain the >configuration of its internal mixer even if the unit is disconnected from >the computer. So one idea would be to send my analogue input signals to two >outputs of the ADA8000 leading to a, say, Boss DD20, which in turn return >via two inputs. Normally I'd turn off the Boss (so no signal from it hits >the mains), but if the computer fails, I could still do simple schticks with >guitar, voice and the DD20... > > >Thanks for listening - I keep you posted as I progress further ;-) > > Rainer > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:57:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D1B3BF44; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6c454ceccbe0cb88ef52b89c802be724@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:58:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:57:02 +0000 (UTC) As for lugging around gear, I'm now down to Behringer FCB1010 G4 laptop midi and audio interfaces 2 Yamaha studio monitors -> packed on a trolley 1 guitar -> on my back I don't even need a car (public transport is pretty good where I live)! This is environmentally friendly looping :-) ... and it saves my back! Cheers, Nico Spahni www.recpro.ch Am 12.01.2006 um 18:35 schrieb phaslem@wightman.ca: > thanks for the detailed account, I'm also considering moving to a more > laptop > oriented setup over the next year and am very interested in hearing > the details > of how others that have gone this route do their setup. I currently > have two six > u racks and a 4 u rack plus the instruments... to echo someone else's > comment "I > don't mind playing for free, but I want to get paid for lugging all > this gear" > > Paul Haslem, > > Ontario, Canada > > > Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > >> (Warning: below is a lengthy description of my attempt to design a >> nice >> laptop setup for my playing. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 17:58:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78683BF4F; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a0f01c617a1$95e823b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43C5E560.6070803@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:56:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 438, in=195097, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rick. This is good advice. I like the part about these people just being groups of people....humans. You are right. It makes a big difference when you make personal contact with people first. I take this for granted often, working for a company of over 100,000 employees, where I work from home, and participate or lead virtual meetings and conference calls all day long. We don't have a choice but to work effectively in a non-face-to-face environment. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: WAYS TO SELL OURSELVES: ONLINE > Kris wrote: > "How about how to get on radio stations. I think I spent a whole weekend a > year ago sending out press packs to about 20 radio stations. It probably > worked on two of them...not much return on investment, and I'm reluctant > to try it again." > > I hear your reluctance but also have a couple of things to say about being > more effective in your connection with the DJs. > > I've been the publicist, promoter, what have you for every music project > I've been in (except for a few commercial projects) > and what I've come to believe is this: > > The music business and all of it's branches are just fairly small tribes > of people. We tend to view them as rather monolithic when, in fact, they > are just composed of individual human beings who all have their own > respective agendas about things. Like any small community, their are > personalities in it who are idiosyncratic and you have to cater to those > individual personalities. > > Sending material out is important but think about the myriad of > unsolicited pieces of mail you get daily by people trying to sell you > something. Unless someone has mentioned something to you in advance, > you will have a tendency to chuck stuff, especially if you are inundated > the way most print journalists and on air disc jockeys are. > > Consequently, it is important to make a human connection with someone who > you want to play and promote your CD. > I find that calling someone first and asking them if you can send them (or > better yet, bring them) your recording is so much more effective than > just sending out packets. > > I have also found that if you can attach that connection with an event > that you are associated with can really increase the interest of the > journalist or DJ. I try to associate my record releases with Events > (CD release parties) or Festivals to maximize the interest of the DJ or > Journalist. They are much more inclined to grant you an interview > which inevitably leaves to the playing of several tunes on the CD or, > better yet, a live on the air performance. > > Additionally, I have discovered that DJs love to help out, especially if > they believe that they are on the cusp of a happening event or movement. > I've found it very effective to specifically let DJs know that you (and > your movement or style of music) can really > use their help. I've had incredible success with the DJs at KUSP, > KKUP, KAZU and, especially, KZSC the local college radio station. > > Time of the year is important, too. This year the new DJs at UCSC were > in the first week of their programs when we had Y2K5. They were > discombobulated, not set in their routines and consequently, I didn't > get an ounce of publicity for the > show on that the station...........the first time in several years. It > makes me want to communicate with the RPM director > at the station to seek his or her advice about when to best have such an > event in the future. > > In the case of this particular station, there are luckily several shows a > week who might play our stuff (the Live Looping community) > and that's a lot of energy because you might have to talk to four or five > DJs before you find that one gem of a person who wants to help out. > It's all worth it, however. In the last two years two DJs at that > station have aided and helped my career and the > Looping events immeasurably..................now, of course, they have > graduated and I have to do it all over again..........lol. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 508AF3BF07; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:04:09 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c617a2$96423520$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <43C7E8A9.2050504@unguitar.com> Thread-Index: AcYXoLcOpAdtoFGJR6anmFdG4gYyzgAAFCqQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Dear Luca, personally, I don't have problems with the amount of discussion here, but I do understand that other people might, especially since this thread is only to a small part loop-related. On the other hand, I don't expect this to turn into a monster thread - do you? There are mainly two reasons why I didn't take this to a dedicated place: 1. How many of the people who might by interested in or could contribute to this thread would actually join a yahoogroup for this specific topic? I just fear we wouldn't reach the masses of LD expertise (or the other way round, be able to somehow try to "pay them back" for their valuable input...) 2. I'm too lazy... And then there were these things with spyware-related issues of the yahoogroups policy... Be assured however, that in case somebody else organizes something in a way that allows me a) to participate without the need to setup additional accounts, accept page-long terms of use, and b) do so via standard email, I'm all game! ;-) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90EFE3BF3E; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.67.187.117] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:09:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:14:22 +0000 (UTC) 20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime os discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. These figures are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying out new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to add, say a compressor without adding any weight to my rig. A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on the net - there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and minimal.. Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "monk" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup > i'm also interested in getting rid of the rack and maybe using ableton > and max live.. but how does one get around the latency? this seems to be > the flaw in any laptop scheme.. unless you are willing to live with 20ms > or more. > > anyone? > > > > > > monk@fuse.net > > www.richordinski.com > > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > > > > > On Jan 12, 2006, at 12:35 PM, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > >> thanks for the detailed account, I'm also considering moving to a more >> laptop >> oriented setup over the next year and am very interested in hearing the >> details >> of how others that have gone this route do their setup. I currently have >> two six >> u racks and a 4 u rack plus the instruments... to echo someone else's >> comment "I >> don't mind playing for free, but I want to get paid for lugging all this >> gear" >> >> Paul Haslem, >> >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : >> >> >>> (Warning: below is a lengthy description of my attempt to design a nice >>> laptop setup for my playing. >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:24:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50DA3BF2D; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--130749425 Message-Id: <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:24:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:24:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--130749425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed can you give me an idea of what software and hardware interface you are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer set really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and (forgive the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a mixer as an AUX or is your sound going thru the computer (more like an insert...) i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i think) with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the 15-35 range, i'd guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range. thanks monk@fuse.net On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote: > 20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime os > discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable > on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. These > figures are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying out > new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to add, say > a compressor without adding any weight to my rig. > A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on the net - > there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and minimal.. --Apple-Mail-1--130749425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII can you give me an idea of what = software and hardware interface you are using on a laptop that is that = quick? you must have the buffer set really low, and if so, how many = complicated plug ins can you run? and (forgive the multitude of = questions) are you using the software in a mixer as an AUX or is your = sound going thru the computer (more like an insert...)

i recently tried ableton = live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i think) with an m-audio firewire = interface and the latency was in the 15-35 range, i'd guess. it was not = in the acceptable for me range.


thanks




On Jan 12, = 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote:

20ms is no longer typical - = laving aside the non- realtime os discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is = very achievable

on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. These = figures are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying = out

new vsts = - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to add, say a compressor = without adding any weight to my rig.

A word of warning though - try not to = use your laptop on the net - there's so much crap out there - keep it = clean and minimal..

=

= --Apple-Mail-1--130749425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:26:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D29323BF5A; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B185F8A-795B-4EC5-A89F-6B63327CCE8A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: On the progress of compiling a laptop-based (looping) setup Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:26:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:26:27 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jan 2006, at 17.48, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > (Warning: below is a lengthy description 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ..... Thanks for posting that massive thing. Interesting reading. I've read =20= through it on the run, saving it for future detailed reading. On 12 jan 2006, at 18.35, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > thanks for the detailed account, I'm also considering moving to a =20 > more laptop > oriented setup over the next year and am very interested in hearing =20= > the details > of how others that have gone this route do their setup. I'm going for simplicity and playability to make the most of a live =20 impro situation. Too many options tends to limit my musical =20 imagination. So I only bring a Centrino lappy, Fireworx box, physical =20= instruments, small MIDI mixer and my FCB1010. That's it. My rig looks =20= like this: http://www.looproom.com/mob.JPG and sounds like this: http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam1.mp3 No VST plug-ins. Only the mic input through the fireworX going =20 straight into M=F6bius standalone version. Audio interface may be a RME =20= Multiface or an Echo Indigo i/o. A cheap USB MIDI interface (two =20 cables: IN and OUT). On sunday I'll do my second gig with this =20 minimal set-up and I'll bring a flute and a tenor sax with the gear =20 mentioned above. If I want to get dirty with gear lugging I may bring =20= a guitar as well, but I'm rapidly becoming too lazy for playing that =20 thing ;-) On 12 jan 2006, at 18.39, monk wrote: > but how does one get around the latency? ---> Input latency affecting direct signal Do not play THROUGH software. Clone your instrument signal at the =20 audio interface input and send one signal directly to the PA (no =20 latency) while the other clone goes into the software for looping and =20= processing. Only use "wet" signal in the software. ---> Internal software latency (AD/DA conversion, digital processing) Use software that compensates for this. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89DBF3BF48; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QzBwUdxC0YxEl2miBHPBeV3DrrcsXM6KsSX50zDYu45bcDenMuLTf5IS+q6+/aW5qPhjNN+QMYsdVEUIRB6JwPzj73YvfstXhZsf7gwDtUzGcXOzl/lMHA+e3n6hIXFyOTNBQ6lPZNBeNHAadLi8AwAl1gRKW4vWDNVpltoef9A= ; Message-ID: <20060112184023.74281.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67F5@earth.uces.edu.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Ariel eso esta bueno! saludos Luis --- Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Guitar. Lately acoustic mostly. > > Why Rick? > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Enviado el: Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 05:28 > p.m. > Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Asunto: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > > Budumbump... > Whats your primary instrument, or weapon of choice? > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@uces.edu.ar] > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:13 AM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > > Hi, > > I am Ariel, a looper from Argentina. From an > argentinian musician point of > view: > > There is a joke here (mm, i dont know hot to put > this in english, maybe > "gag", not exactly a "joke" but..) > > Someone asks you. > > Q)What do you do for your living? > > A)I play music. > > Q)And BESIDES that? > > Drums fill... > > My half penny. > I need to save for strings :) > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Enviado el: Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 11:10 > a.m. > Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Asunto: Re: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? > > > Stephen Goodman wrote: > > Notes on business by a master, Robert Fripp in the > Telegraph "If you > > love music, become a plumber": > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/12/08/bmfripp08.xm > l > > I love this quote most: > "because life there is so hard, music isn't > entertainment, it's nutrition" > > straight to the point, I should move to Argentina... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] > [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x--- > --_____-----------|---------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- > -- _|_)----|-----()---------- > ----------()------------x---- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 12 18:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B0A3BF6B; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a4601c617a9$02cf9bf0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:50:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A43_01C6176E.558A0D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 438, in=195118, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:50:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A43_01C6176E.558A0D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a new sound card, a Creative Labs Audigy 2 for laptops, which = plugs into my PCMCIA card slot. The ASIO driver that comes with the card = is the key. I can get my suggested latency down to 5 ms. On my system, = if I try anything lower than 40ms on my standard sound card and driver, = it freaks out and makes all sorts of crackly noise. 5ms is ideal. 10ms = works for me too. However, on my work notebook, I downloaded the ASIO For All driver = (http://www.asio4all.com/), for my stock sound card, and it worked = excellent...not latency, and I set it to 5ms with not freaking out. So, = if you are on a budget and can only go with your standard notebook = soundcard, this might be an option.=20 I thought of buying some other USB or Firewire system in I/O, but = honestly, the Creative Labs card I'm using now is perfect for my needs, = 32 bit, crystal clear, lots of control with the software, etc. I run = into my Boss VF1, out to my computer's soundcard, and then back into my = mixer board, where I run my two EDPs in two busses, and my reverb unit = in AUX 1. You can configure the Audigy's output to Dolby as well, 5 = outputs, I believe. There is a small connector next to the mini output = plug that splits into multiple outputs. How many complicated plugins you can run depends on the VST host you are = using and your laptop. On my sytem, I can easily run a basic chorus = plugin, delay plugin, and easily two complex plugins like Antares Filter = and PSP84. More than that, and my processor usage bar line starts = getting dangerously close to the limit. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: monk=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: latency questions can you give me an idea of what software and hardware interface you = are using on a laptop that is that quick? you must have the buffer set = really low, and if so, how many complicated plug ins can you run? and = (forgive the multitude of questions) are you using the software in a = mixer as an AUX or is your sound going thru the computer (more like an = insert...) i recently tried ableton live 5.01 on a friends G4 laptop (1GH, i = think) with an m-audio firewire interface and the latency was in the = 15-35 range, i'd guess. it was not in the acceptable for me range. thanks monk@fuse.net On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:09 PM, gareth.whitcock wrote: 20ms is no longer typical - laving aside the non- realtime os = discussion of a few weeks ago 3-6ms is very achievable on today's systems as well as impeccable sound quality. These = figures are very acceptable to me. I love looking for and trying out new vsts - it's fun! and I particularly like being able to add, say = a compressor without adding any weight to my rig. A word of warning though - try not to use your laptop on the net - = there's so much crap out there - keep it clean and minimal.. ------=_NextPart_000_0A43_01C6176E.558A0D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I bought a new sound card, a Creative = Labs Audigy 2=20 for laptops, which plugs into my PCMCIA card slot. The ASIO driver that = comes=20 with the card is the key. I can get my suggested latency down to 5 ms. = On my=20 system, if I try anything lower than 40ms on my standard sound card and = driver,=20 it freaks out and makes all sorts of crackly noise.  5ms is ideal. = 10ms=20 works for me too.
 
However, on my work notebook, I = downloaded the ASIO=20 For All driver (http://www.asio4all.com/), for my = stock=20 sound card, and it worked excellent...not latency, and I set it to 5ms = with not=20 freaking out. So, if you are on a budget and can only go with your = standard=20 notebook soundcard, this might be an option.
 
I thought of buying some other USB or = Firewire=20 system in I/O, but honestly, the Creative Labs card I'm using now is = perfect for=20 my needs, 32 bit, crystal clear, lots of control with the software, = etc.  I=20 run into my Boss VF1, out to my computer's soundcard, and then back into = my=20 mixer board, where I run my two EDPs in two busses, and my reverb unit = in AUX 1.=20 You can configure the Audigy's output to Dolby as well, 5 outputs, = I=20 believe. There is a small connector next to the mini output plug that = splits=20 into multiple outputs.
 
How many complicated plugins you can = run depends on=20 the VST host you are using and your laptop. On my sytem, I can easily = run a=20 basic chorus plugin, delay plugin, and easily two complex plugins like = Antares=20 Filter and PSP84.  More than that, and my processor usage bar line = starts=20 getting dangerously close to the limit.
 
Kris
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0B96_01C617EC.50B9EA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 10:04:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4A03BEC1; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4567192.1137146668205.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:04:28 -0500 (EST) From: Kim Galibert Reply-To: Kim Galibert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: latency with ableton live 5, edirol fa-101, rack mount pc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:04:29 +0000 (UTC) >>>On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:12 PM, mech wrote: >>>>I'm using Ableton Live 5.x with an Edirol FA-101 firewire >>>>interface, and running at about 4-5ms latency. >>> >>>fascinating. how did you check the latency? i must say that it's >>>hard for me to believe that you're getting that low latency with >>>firewire. i have a similar experience to report. live 5.03, edirol fa-101, and my home-built rack mount system (p4 2.4ghz, 2gb speedy ram, sata 7200 raid array, win xp pro). ableton reports 7ms latency. i run everything through it, and don't use the direct signal at all. my only complaint is that sometimes christina (the vocalist) gets a bit of a doubling in her headphones, which can be distracting. i've had it down to 3ms by reducing the sample size to the smallest setting, but i got some pops and clicks, so i bumped it up a bit. from what i read on the ableton forum, pc's are speedier than macs. i've had disappointing results running ableton on mac laptops, especially in terms of the ability to run even just a few effects. when i'm live looping solo i have absolutely no issues with the latency, playing along with loops requires either just the slightest bit of subconcious adjustment, or none at all. i don't run any external effects - i'm quite happy with live's built in efx plus a small variety of vst's. kim@hotbitcharsenal.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 10:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B0C13BED3; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Kris Hartung" Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:41:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: URLs please Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43C783F4.4136.4472F3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <0b3301c617e7$15584b30$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:42:00 +0000 (UTC) On 12 Jan 2006 at 19:14, Kris Hartung wrote: > I use two EDPs in true stereo. It would be great if all posters could include their music URL, if any. I often read about someone's setup and would be fascinated to hear what it's capable of, but no URL.... Yours, Nick Robinson Seaview 182 Mountview Road, Sheffield S8 8PL From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 13:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7606B3BED5; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:30:26 +0100 Message-ID: <09f901c61845$86ff34c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <04f001c61589$a1405ad0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <89ZHJD.A.XdB.1t6xDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:30:29 +0000 (UTC) http://tinyurl.com/8n3yg http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 Nearly fell off my stool laughing about this picturesque setting: "Maybe your drummer [...] had too many Bronsons and fell into his kit." Even without knowing what "Bronsons" are. B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 03:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > Examples: > > "Krispen Hartung" looping yielded this: > http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 13:40:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83523BED6; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002e01c61846$dcedff00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:40:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone want to continue the tradition of the Annual Loopers Delight Bruncheon at NAMM next weekend? I'd like to propose an 11:30 BRUNCH on Saturday. We can have it at the same place we had it at last year (I forget the name of the hotel restaurant so will someone remind us.....it's right next to the Convention Center). If some of us can agree to meet, I can make a reservation for us. I have to be finished by 12:30 or 12:45 at the latest to get to my performance at the Looperlative booth. Who's with me? I can't wait to see you all, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 13:46:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D9E3BEDD; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:45:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist for January 12, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43C7AEEB.7060302@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:46:47 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060112.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #459 January 12, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Parallel Worlds. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Insight" on Shima Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the soundtrack LP "Forbidden Planet" by Louis and Bebe Barron on Planet Records and released in 1956. Parallel Worlds - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Louis and Bebe Barron Mobius' Study Forbidden Planet (Planet) Louis and Bebe Barron Ancient Krell Music Forbidden Planet (Planet) Louis and Bebe Barron The Mind Booster - Forbidden Planet (Planet) Creation of Matter Palancar Diminishing Light Diminishing Light (Blue Water) VA [Project Andrew En Passant E-dition #10 (Groove) Rotten] VA [Volt] Photonic Sequences No. 31 (Emma) Cluster Balm One Priceless Morning Instamatic (Blue Water) Craig Padilla and Frequencies (Of Life) Path of Least Existence Zero Ohms (Lotuspike) Craig Padilla and The One * Path of Least Existence Zero Ohms (Lotuspike) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Parallel Worlds Mechanical Mood Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Dark and Blue Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Detailed Matter Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds The Past Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Hollow Minds Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Salty Air Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Insight Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Dying Earth Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Non Linear Insight (Shima) Parallel Worlds Mind Breath Insight (Shima) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Parallel Worlds. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Far Away Light" on Shima Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Fourth Worl Vol. 1 - Possible Musics" by Jon Hassel and Brian Eno on Editions EG Records and released in 1980. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 14:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251CB3BECD; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:29:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c6184d$d02a2850$f4ac9d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002e01c61846$dcedff00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, my flight from Dallas is supposed to land in Lax at 9.52. that would leave me time to get to the car rental and possibly drive to the brunch place,=20 although I have no idea of how long it might take to drive the 50 km to the NAMM. so I'm with you, but don't book anything if I'm the only one (in case of delays),=20 in which case I'll see you at the Looperlative booth. can't wait either Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : vendredi 13 janvier 2006 14:40 =C0 : LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Objet : NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? Does anyone want to continue the tradition of the Annual Loopers Delight Bruncheon at NAMM next weekend? I'd like to propose an 11:30 BRUNCH on Saturday. We can have it at the same place we had it at last year (I forget the name=20 of the hotel restaurant so will someone remind us.....it's right next to the Convention Center). If some of us can agree to meet, I can make a reservation for us. I have=20 to be finished by 12:30 or 12:45 at the latest to get to my performance at the Looperlative=20 booth. Who's with me? I can't wait to see you all, Rick Walker=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 15:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6B3E3BEDB; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:40:08 -0500 Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43C70948.8070205@speakeasy.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <6apHHB.A.8ZF.6C8xDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC) I run stereo EDPs. I have a true stereo guitar rig via a switching system. The brother sync works fairly well although _sometimes- on very short loops, the loops do not align exactly. I'm not sure why but you might end up with 85 on one display and 86 on another display. I have not figured that one out yet but it only happens occasially. Other than that, works fairly well. It is such a DEEP unit one can spend years learning it. For me it makes a huge difference as I run seperate delays on each side, different amp tones, etc. Running everything through just one was screwing up my gain staging as well. :) Craig on 1/12/06 8:58 PM, Dennis Montgomery at morpheus@speakeasy.net wrote: > Hi all, I currently take the output from my lone EDP+ and send it > through an Alesis Microverb III to get some pseudo-stereo separation. > I'm considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process my loops in true > stereo. I was wondering if any players who have taken this step can > comment on their experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? Did it > really make a difference in your playing fun? Any technical problems? > etc... > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 15:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB7873BEDF; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:20:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2006 15:20:35.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7152540:01C61854] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, it's been a work in progress with moving the loopers around in stereo. Currently I have my Digitech Echo+ on one side & the EDP on the other & then post process with my pcm80. Fun stuff Cheers Lou >From: Craig Mitchell >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:40:08 -0500 > > >I run stereo EDPs. I have a true stereo guitar rig via a switching system. > >The brother sync works fairly well although _sometimes- on very short >loops, >the loops do not align exactly. I'm not sure why but you might end up with >85 on one display and 86 on another display. > >I have not figured that one out yet but it only happens occasially. Other >than that, works fairly well. It is such a DEEP unit one can spend years >learning it. > >For me it makes a huge difference as I run seperate delays on each side, >different amp tones, etc. Running everything through just one was screwing >up my gain staging as well. :) > > >Craig > > > >on 1/12/06 8:58 PM, Dennis Montgomery at morpheus@speakeasy.net wrote: > > > Hi all, I currently take the output from my lone EDP+ and send it > > through an Alesis Microverb III to get some pseudo-stereo separation. > > I'm considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process my loops in true > > stereo. I was wondering if any players who have taken this step can > > comment on their experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? Did it > > really make a difference in your playing fun? Any technical problems? > > etc... > > > > Dennis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 15:46:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5233BED8; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <275.4006b49.30f92541@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:46:09 EST Subject: Re: RE : NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_275.4006b49.30f92541_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:46:23 +0000 (UTC) --part1_275.4006b49.30f92541_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey buds, I won't be there, but the restaurant is the Cafe Del Sol on the=20 ground floor of the Anaheim Marriott. Looking straight out from=20 the Convention Center down Convention Center Way it's the big one close by on the right. The cafe is on the ground floor towards=20 the back. Have a good meeting. Wish I was able to come. Cheers! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_275.4006b49.30f92541_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey buds,

I won't be there, but the restaurant is the Cafe Del Sol on the=
ground floor of the Anaheim Marriott. Looking straight out f= rom
the Convention Center down Convention Center Way it's the big
one close by on the right. The cafe is on the ground floor towards
the back. Have a good meeting. Wish I was able to come. Cheers!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_275.4006b49.30f92541_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 15:48:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C3833BEE0; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bbf01c61858$d981f800$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43C783F4.4136.4472F3@localhost> Subject: Re: URLs please Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:48:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BBC_01C6181E.2BBD9C90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *********: 9.132999 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,Multi Level Marketing mentioned=2.1,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Aspam=3.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenha) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 441, in=200420, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:48:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BBC_01C6181E.2BBD9C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > It would be great if all posters could include their music URL, if=20 > any. I often read about someone's setup and would be fascinated to=20 > hear what it's capable of, but no URL.... Sorry. Here you go: Samples of my CDs: http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Full live clips or studio clips not on CD: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm My favorite and more experimental / avant-garde pieces: Attack of the Mini Tabla = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/656113.html=20 The Human Static http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518279.html=20 Groovy Space Faring Machine = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518181.html =20 Artificial Reprise http://box.net/public/khartung/files/273282.html=20 Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo = http://www.box.net/public/khartung/files/241353.html=20 Y2K5 International Looper's Conference - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html=20 The Ghost of Gigantor vs. the Savage - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518180.html M=F8rk og Iser - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518183.html Abstractomondo II - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/299969.html Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: ; "Kris Hartung" = Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:41 AM Subject: URLs please > On 12 Jan 2006 at 19:14, Kris Hartung wrote: >=20 >> I use two EDPs in true stereo.=20 >=20 > It would be great if all posters could include their music URL, if=20 > any. I often read about someone's setup and would be fascinated to=20 > hear what it's capable of, but no URL.... >=20 >=20 > Yours, >=20 > Nick Robinson >=20 > Seaview > 182 Mountview Road, > Sheffield S8 8PL >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0BBC_01C6181E.2BBD9C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> It would be great if all posters = could include=20 their music URL, if
> any. I often read about someone's setup and = would=20 be fascinated to
> hear what it's capable of, but no = URL....
 
Sorry. Here you go:
 
Samples of my CDs: http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
Full live clips or studio clips not on = CD: http://www.krispenhartung.= com/mp3.htm

My favorite and more experimental / avant-garde pieces:

Attack of the Mini Tabla http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/656113.html=20
The Human Static http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/518279.html=20
Groovy Space Faring Machine http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/518181.html =20
Artificial Reprise http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/273282.html=20
Tiny Monsters Ex Nihilo http://www.= box.net/public/khartung/files/241353.html=20
Y2K5 International Looper's Conference -  http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/975177.html=20
The Ghost of Gigantor vs. the Savage -=20  http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518180.html
M=F8rk og Iser = - http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/518183.html
Abstractomondo=20 II - http://box.net/= public/khartung/files/299969.html
 
Cheers,

Kris




----- Original Message ----- =
From: <nick@12testing.net>
To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>; "Kris Hartung"=20 <khartung@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:41=20 AM
Subject: URLs please


> On 12 Jan 2006 at 19:14, Kris = Hartung=20 wrote:
>
>> I use two EDPs in true stereo.
> =
> It=20 would be great if all posters could include their music URL, if
> = any. I=20 often read about someone's setup and would be fascinated to
> = hear what=20 it's capable of, but no URL....
>
>
> Yours,
> =
> Nick Robinson
>
> Seaview
> 182 Mountview=20 Road,
> Sheffield S8 8PL
>
>=20
>
------=_NextPart_000_0BBC_01C6181E.2BBD9C90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:05:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29D053BEEA; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bde01c6185b$22418e50$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <09f901c61845$86ff34c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:05:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 441, in=200445, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4bnl8D.A.YoC.7-8xDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) > http://tinyurl.com/8n3yg > http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 > > Nearly fell off my stool laughing about this picturesque setting: > "Maybe your drummer [...] had too many Bronsons and fell into his kit." > Even without knowing what "Bronsons" are. > > B. Yes, Ryan has a bit of a sense of humor sometimes. He's also an adjunct professor her at our local university, but writes a lot for the newspaper. He interviewed a handful of us loopers here in Boise before he wrote that article, although I didn't get a chance to see it before it was published. Being the compulsive and information over-kill person that I am, I put together a post-script reference doc to his article, posted here: http://www.boisemusicians.com/intheloop.htm and as an online comment to his article. I was a bit thrown off by his list of loopers, however, and I had a number of online discussions about this with him and four other loopers here locally. Before writing the article, Ryan asked me who the major loopers were, and I mentioned Bernhard, Rick, Michael, Andy, Mathias, Ted, Kid Beyond, and many others (over 20 in my URL above), but he ended up references a few "pop" oriented loopers, because that is the type of music he likes, or like to write about. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:30 AM Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 03:00 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > > >> Examples: >> >> "Krispen Hartung" looping yielded this: >> http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 >> >> Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:06:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51C873BEE9; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0be301c6185b$5e607c70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <09f901c61845$86ff34c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:06:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 441, in=211537, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Oh, it would be hilarious if you guys went to that article below and submitted some comments. You would be the first international musicians to comment on the Boise looping music scene! The editor would get a kick out of it, especially since I'm trying to get her to review Xperimentus. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:30 AM Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > http://tinyurl.com/8n3yg > http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 > > Nearly fell off my stool laughing about this picturesque setting: > "Maybe your drummer [...] had too many Bronsons and fell into his kit." > Even without knowing what "Bronsons" are. > > B. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 03:00 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > > >> Examples: >> >> "Krispen Hartung" looping yielded this: >> http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 >> >> Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 16:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 484C73BEDD; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9CC00E59-6FBD-4B25-A138-13EFAB98F573@tiscali.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Pseudo Subject: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:30:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm an Italian looper. I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. I would like to manage stereo loops with two echoplex at the end of signal flow of my rack. At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV software (The same features of the one I own). Do you think the could be synced with the Brother-Sync and MIDI connection? Or they are totally different? The machine is used, how much do you think is its value? Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not have the chance to buy it anymore! 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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:04:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002e01c61846$dcedff00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:04:16 +0000 (UTC) I do I do! -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:40 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? Does anyone want to continue the tradition of the Annual Loopers Delight Bruncheon at NAMM next weekend? I'd like to propose an 11:30 BRUNCH on Saturday. We can have it at the same place we had it at last year (I forget the name of the hotel restaurant so will someone remind us.....it's right next to the Convention Center). If some of us can agree to meet, I can make a reservation for us. I have to be finished by 12:30 or 12:45 at the latest to get to my performance at the Looperlative booth. Who's with me? I can't wait to see you all, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64B533BEF4; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060113090630.088af598@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:07:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? In-Reply-To: <002e01c61846$dcedff00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <002e01c61846$dcedff00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:05:05 +0000 (UTC) At 05:40 AM 1/13/2006, loop.pool wrote: >Does anyone want to continue the tradition of the >Annual Loopers Delight Bruncheon at NAMM >next weekend? > >I'd like to propose an 11:30 BRUNCH on Saturday. Hey Rick, that sounds like fun. I'll plan to be there! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:17:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A56A03BEF8; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vZufF+vKerq/EQyuhXEOlbDBifJSCqUNxcn7Wznlwz6s9kubSq3G0a1LKgU6dp1fQ6guCS67b1fU6pyvZnMmNs8pxsrRuqGU6vcV+GMm/JfX72MVgz3gQjJW8fZYsLpJL1ZbRHbiMaDghPSNIO+93j4sbuZjyGLmaI2TKFanuvA= ; Message-ID: <20060113171743.53240.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9CC00E59-6FBD-4B25-A138-13EFAB98F573@tiscali.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:17:50 +0000 (UTC) ive had troubles with this combination i ended up selling the oberheim and buying a second gibson EDP beige which also didint sync!now i have an EDP plus black,but i still have to sync them when i go back to europe. cheers Luis --- Pseudo wrote: > Hi, I'm an Italian looper. > I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > I would like to manage stereo loops with two > echoplex at the end of > signal flow of my rack. > At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro > upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV software > (The same > features of the one I own). > Do you think the could be synced with the > Brother-Sync and MIDI > connection? Or they are totally different? > The machine is used, how much do you think is its > value? > > Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not > have the chance to > buy it anymore! > > Thanks > Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:43:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AD743BEE0; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060113171743.53240.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060113171743.53240.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0529DAF3-3409-4765-A3C1-5240ED45C320@tiscali.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Pseudo Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:43:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:43:17 +0000 (UTC) I was told about sync problems with two echoplex but I've listened to the new works of Rober Fripp who has two EDP plus in his "Solar Voyager 1" rack, it seems he has no problem at all (I know, we're talking about a Master Looper!). Back to your experience: Did you mean, you had an EDP Plus before buying oberheim? Was it upgraded to the same feature of the EDP plus? And you had troubles? Ok, ok if it is so I have to dig somewhere else for a second EDP plus unit. Can you help me to find it? here in Itay is impossible to find dealers and even users too. Thanks and bye Gaetano Il giorno 13/gen/06, alle ore 18:17, Luis Angulo ha scritto: > ive had troubles with this combination i ended up > selling the oberheim and buying a second gibson EDP > beige which also didint sync!now i have an EDP plus > black,but i still have to sync them when i go back to > europe. > cheers > Luis > > --- Pseudo wrote: > >> Hi, I'm an Italian looper. >> I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. >> I would like to manage stereo loops with two >> echoplex at the end of >> signal flow of my rack. >> At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim >> Echoplex Digital Pro >> upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV software >> (The same >> features of the one I own). >> Do you think the could be synced with the >> Brother-Sync and MIDI >> connection? Or they are totally different? >> The machine is used, how much do you think is its >> value? >> >> Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not >> have the chance to >> buy it anymore! >> >> Thanks >> Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:49:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB173BEF0; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sCyrGTnoA+ctfT/lVGAN/fi9ze1ZHCVyHjmP/ZHcLloeZxrgy6tQtMsjg857t089Eqf8fjWC4ZYauKSeyfIBBI+BmD5PYrM2tm5gJjXyuZtCDE6KRq1kh5HhYYGCZ+zkPmgh33kp3jvvnraauSqcRQ2upB/0hE6tgI1wo2q8oSc= ; Message-ID: <20060113174911.38391.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:49:11 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0529DAF3-3409-4765-A3C1-5240ED45C320@tiscali.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:49:13 +0000 (UTC) there are certain crystals you have to change in the older units which i did but still didnt work,i know though that for some people it has worked. Luca Formentini who is on this list can probably help you find an EDP in italy more than i can. cheers Luis --- Pseudo wrote: > I was told about sync problems with two echoplex but > I've listened to > the new works of Rober Fripp who has two EDP plus in > his "Solar > Voyager 1" rack, it seems he has no problem at all > (I know, we're > talking about a Master Looper!). > > Back to your experience: Did you mean, you had an > EDP Plus before > buying oberheim? Was it upgraded to the same feature > of the EDP plus? > And you had troubles? Ok, ok if it is so I have to > dig somewhere else > for a second EDP plus unit. > Can you help me to find it? here in Itay is > impossible to find > dealers and even users too. > > Thanks and bye > Gaetano > > Il giorno 13/gen/06, alle ore 18:17, Luis Angulo ha > scritto: > > > ive had troubles with this combination i ended up > > selling the oberheim and buying a second gibson > EDP > > beige which also didint sync!now i have an EDP > plus > > black,but i still have to sync them when i go back > to > > europe. > > cheers > > Luis > > > > --- Pseudo wrote: > > > >> Hi, I'm an Italian looper. > >> I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > >> I would like to manage stereo loops with two > >> echoplex at the end of > >> signal flow of my rack. > >> At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim > >> Echoplex Digital Pro > >> upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV > software > >> (The same > >> features of the one I own). > >> Do you think the could be synced with the > >> Brother-Sync and MIDI > >> connection? Or they are totally different? > >> The machine is used, how much do you think is its > >> value? > >> > >> Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not > >> have the chance to > >> buy it anymore! > >> > >> Thanks > >> Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo > >> > >> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:57:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 166523BED8; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67FA@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Making Your Own CD/CD Sales/MySpace Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:05:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Ed, i've just listened to your stuff. Beautifull soundscapes. I loved Starry Night. Keep on looping. P.s.: I'm not between the most experienced as you wrote, i am a newbie too. So.. please.. listen you too to my samples. I always apreciatte feedback. Very best, Ariel. Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ -----Mensaje original----- De: eyuhas [mailto:ejyuhas@earthlink.net] Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Enero de 2006 11:17 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: Making Your Own CD/CD Sales/MySpace Go here for the link: http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 17:59:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084963BEF1; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67FB@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RV: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:07:37 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Lol.. oh my!! i mixed the Walkers. I'm sory William!! Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa U.C.E.S. Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: Ariel Rzezak=20 Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Enero de 2006 11:18 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Guitar. Lately acoustic mostly.=20 Why Rick? Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina -----Mensaje original----- De: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Enviado el: Mi=E9rcoles, 11 de Enero de 2006 05:28 p.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: RE: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Budumbump... Whats your primary instrument, or weapon of choice? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 18:05:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1758A3BF0B; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DI7eMwRz01EnNl55sYHJJpo+IJxwAKOPufbR4/+l/UJH1mF4rVHPVIdCh483Zgq1feeiLxkhigyl2OHAp9KSGnRINQjrcLqQ2KhXfUB9TVsm2Pk1vWF2wcabcDXuygJg93ELC7ny8fiklKUY7cgaPTIkQ8qkvRiInQfv9eop60E= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:05:00 -0500 From: Nick Schillace To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new EH products MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello- i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this topic went around i'm sorry. I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. Does anyone have any info about these? thanks. it's good to be back. Nick Schillace www.nickschillace.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:12:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7929A3BED5; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86CB048A-4337-47C1-90A3-940792323EEF@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question. Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:12:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: <0m7NL.A.27C.du_xDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Okay, so Im using a pair of EDPs, Live 5.0 on my laptop and a FCB1010 to control the EDPs. I would like to control various functions of Live with the FCB as well. Its my understanding that Live accepts only note messages. Which is fine and its very easy to assign messages to Live. But I have the EDP's set up to accept Note messages as well. So I should switch the EDP's to accept CC messages instead correct? This of course makes sense, but I cant find any info on setting them up that way. For instance what value do give the CC messages? 64, 128? Anybody else use a similar system? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68CC33BF04; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:14:28 +0100 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: new EH products To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c61875$93cd66b0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:14:34 +0000 (UTC) The box has been discussed on HCFX but not much info available yet. http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=524900&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending "The 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper is 4 mono tracks and 1 stereo mix track with L+R in and outs. It records at 44.1 kHz, 16-Bit. It stores Loops on a Flash Card. You record the first loop length depending on the amount of memory on the flash card. So once you set track one to be say 5 minutes all other loop tracks with be 5 minutes or less. You can also record in reverse. Then you can mix and pan the four to the stereo 2 tracks. Then record 4 new loops, save the whole thing to the Flash Card and take it to your next gig. It features Midi Clock, Tempo and Pitch change (1 octave up and down) headphone jack and true bypass switching and an optional foot controller." List price - $698, foot controller - $186. Street price probably around $500. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Schillace" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: new EH products Hello- i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this topic went around i'm sorry. I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. Does anyone have any info about these? thanks. it's good to be back. Nick Schillace www.nickschillace.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088203BF06; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VeHE3MEFn9oHNz2gbKGJU3yDqid03AjSWx5I/60ZuMbw8NC9mxm4IiRnsGwOxYskYWg7LSHpPDPKqarEqH4k15soM9aKMPFReBYn7Z2SLQGy/1A5Evtf4mC4HI0BsGe6cbBCAIx6wg0Bl4OURWonVQGuTNvwHWQsr4xHwYeW/d8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601131115x6682d346h6501ccad394d4f57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:21 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EH products In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Not yet, however as the owner of a POG and a 16s Re-Issue & FS I'm positively moist with anticipation. :-) On 1/13/06, Nick Schillace wrote: > Hello- > i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this > topic went around i'm sorry. > > I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and > noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in > Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a > HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. > > Does anyone have any info about these? > > thanks. it's good to be back. > > Nick Schillace > www.nickschillace.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:15:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F933BF0F; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: behringer 1602 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:15:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) has anyone tried the behringer 1602 rack mount mixer? it looks decent for a one rack space.. 16 mono/8 stereo line-ins with a monitor send... anyone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE21B3BF1D; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:19:33 +0100 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: new EH products To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c61876$494c69f0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Forgot the HOG "The HOG Guitar Synth basically has 4 octaves up and 2 octaves down. It features a filter with cutoff frequency and resonance control, an attack/decay control, glissando, memory to save 6 presets setups with an optional foot controller. The Hog will do pøyphonic whammy type effects with an optional expression pedal. The HOG is in the same size box as the Flanger Hoax, 6 X 9 1/4." http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1130106&perpage=20&highlight=2880&pagenumber=4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Schillace" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: new EH products Hello- i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this topic went around i'm sorry. I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. Does anyone have any info about these? thanks. it's good to be back. Nick Schillace www.nickschillace.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:21:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 543F83BEEA; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uQ2klcjsWtINXwuhscRVtXThiH7cVChBzmrBuEOTm706iVLjQT+gHEq/tsRohg3EjIyyI93HUNCnsAvCFiZXxEc1Zp5bycTPlINkYND1l8NMI2dCVe+C1kjeWjivGR7NBg7opNh2kjXUKRyCKjn9oiR39Hckn6510EwLuhcajig= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:21:03 -0500 From: Nick Schillace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EH products In-Reply-To: <000401c61875$93cd66b0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000401c61875$93cd66b0$0200000a@remwavesnet> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:21:04 +0000 (UTC) so it sounds kind of like a repeater. On 1/13/06, Torstein H. Rem wrote: > The box has been discussed on HCFX but not much info available yet. > http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/search.php?s=3D&action=3Dshowr= esults&searchid=3D524900&sortby=3Dlastpost&sortorder=3Ddescending > > "The 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper is 4 mono tracks and 1 stereo mix trac= k > with L+R in and outs. > It records at 44.1 kHz, 16-Bit. It stores Loops on a Flash Card. > You record the first loop length depending on the amount of memory on the > flash card. > So once you set track one to be say 5 minutes all other loop tracks with = be > 5 minutes or less. > You can also record in reverse. Then you can mix and pan the four to the > stereo 2 tracks. > Then record 4 new loops, save the whole thing to the Flash Card and take = it > to your next gig. > It features Midi Clock, Tempo and Pitch change (1 octave up and down) > headphone jack and > true bypass switching and an optional foot controller." > List price - $698, foot controller - $186. Street price probably around > $500. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Schillace" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: new EH products > > > Hello- > i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this > topic went around i'm sorry. > > I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and > noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in > Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a > HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. > > Does anyone have any info about these? > > thanks. it's good to be back. > > Nick Schillace > www.nickschillace.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:33:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117AA3BF2B; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <86CB048A-4337-47C1-90A3-940792323EEF@gguitars.com> References: <86CB048A-4337-47C1-90A3-940792323EEF@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5FB96FF4-B33D-48BB-8E28-A11927C64205@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question. Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:33:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:33:04 +0000 (UTC) On 13 jan 2006, at 20.12, Chris Sewell wrote: > Okay, so Im using a pair of EDPs, Live 5.0 on my laptop and a FCB1010 > to control the EDPs. I would like to control various functions of > Live with the FCB as well. Its my understanding that Live accepts > only note messages. Which is fine and its very easy to assign > messages to Live. But I have the EDP's set up to accept Note messages > as well. So I should switch the EDP's to accept CC messages instead > correct? This of course makes sense, but I cant find any info on > setting them up that way. For instance what value do give the CC > messages? 64, 128? > Anybody else use a similar system? > Thanks Yes. For a while I controlled both en EDP, a Repeater and a filterbank from one FCB1010. All you have to do is to set the devices to dedicated MIDI channels. Live does not only accept MIDI note numbers. CC data or PC can also be used. Usuallly CC is used for stuff like sweeping Lives filter or other effect parameters from a MIDI expression pedal but even "on/ off" type of button function in Live can be controlled by CC. Then you have to make sure that one alternative ("on") goes with a low value and the other with a high value ("off"). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:34:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D57113BF35; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601131115x6682d346h6501ccad394d4f57@mail.gmail.com> References: <353e2ed80601131115x6682d346h6501ccad394d4f57@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: new EH products Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:34:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: <02Nc9B.A.95D.2CAyDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:34:14 +0000 (UTC) The Pog rocks. I just wish there were presets. On Jan 13, 2006, at 2:15 PM, David Morton wrote: > Not yet, however as the owner of a POG and a 16s Re-Issue & FS I'm > positively moist with anticipation. :-) > > On 1/13/06, Nick Schillace wrote: > >> Hello- >> i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this >> topic went around i'm sorry. >> >> I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and >> noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in >> Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a >> HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. >> >> Does anyone have any info about these? >> >> thanks. it's good to be back. >> >> Nick Schillace >> www.nickschillace.com >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 19:54:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524203BF05; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tZoQfyZSGVgA3OWpMT8CLpgqukgczxjKUAAwikha8zgbOhDsqeRVxB6OQMnvmHb8KZaHaLaRRIH1P2x8fIigQwIrD99CJ+sXHKbpTM0knJHhSL9PPDloHaDaTnZWiZbBh3+w4wyDZAOPczC71/ZuccuBKniNpe1KzXsG2sUqyLk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601131154p164bc366ha933f0c14841cf51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:27 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: latency questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c61797$f9e1e770$0601a8c0@succubus> <20060112123550.n4e3cmi7sw0k80gc@www.wightman.ca> <32438CFD-95A5-41CF-BAB7-984B73ABC7D8@fuse.net> <158F49A1-6F53-483C-9D26-C33B8261A196@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) On 1/12/06, gareth.whitcock wrote: > I'm currently using an edirol m100 fx sound card cum mixer as my > input/output. I'm getting 3.2ms with a buffer size of 144 running audiomu= lch > with delay, reverb and filter vsts.as well as simple mixers and a loop > player for drum loops etc. Snap! :-) My Audiomulch setup (which is pretty similar to yours) uses an Edirol UA-5 (also USB1.1 like your m100fx) on an Athlon64, and my numbers are identical with yours to the last sample: 144 samples. I use a Mark of the Unicorn (see Eric/Suit, I do listen) 896HD FireWire interface on my Mac (a dual 2.5GHz G5), and that's rock solid with Logic at 64 samples (at 192kHz, though I normally run it at 96kHz). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 20:04:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91FC3BF29; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b0KA25XN4pSmxdkNYBWPTfr2h9O7Is1gxBHFYPepvq+MG2VyxmZevjeIdqdmAh4jUFj4efqp2zgFpQlvMY3XBqOsMtDGVRHGBD2k2xmo9U7o3t5tAOAFmCTEvuQfPgaOLT2tV2j5gCfXyYxnrKANJWfgk5M0zcWOkdtMjcKPczU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:04:26 -0500 From: Nick Schillace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EH products In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80601131115x6682d346h6501ccad394d4f57@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:04:28 +0000 (UTC) me too, i hope the HOG will work in its place. On 1/13/06, Chris Sewell wrote: > The Pog rocks. I just wish there were presets. > On Jan 13, 2006, at 2:15 PM, David Morton wrote: > > > Not yet, however as the owner of a POG and a 16s Re-Issue & FS I'm > > positively moist with anticipation. :-) > > > > On 1/13/06, Nick Schillace wrote: > > > >> Hello- > >> i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from the list so if this > >> topic went around i'm sorry. > >> > >> I got a new wholesale catalog from New Sensor/Electro Harmonix and > >> noticed that there is a couple of new products coming out in > >> Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super Multi-Tracker Looper and a > >> HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. > >> > >> Does anyone have any info about these? > >> > >> thanks. it's good to be back. > >> > >> Nick Schillace > >> www.nickschillace.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 20:09:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99D7B3BF3D; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question. Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:09:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5FB96FF4-B33D-48BB-8E28-A11927C64205@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYYeCyYA1V1qIOhTrWZ0MIz6O2QbAABNHWA Message-Id: <20060113200921.3EC383BF1F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:09:22 +0000 (UTC) This is correct. The fcb1010 can transmit midi messages on 5 separate midi channels with one button press. So you can set edp1 to channel 1, edp2 to channel 2 and live to respond to midi channel 3. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question. On 13 jan 2006, at 20.12, Chris Sewell wrote: > Okay, so Im using a pair of EDPs, Live 5.0 on my laptop and a FCB1010 > to control the EDPs. I would like to control various functions of > Live with the FCB as well. Its my understanding that Live accepts > only note messages. Which is fine and its very easy to assign > messages to Live. But I have the EDP's set up to accept Note messages > as well. So I should switch the EDP's to accept CC messages instead > correct? This of course makes sense, but I cant find any info on > setting them up that way. For instance what value do give the CC > messages? 64, 128? > Anybody else use a similar system? > Thanks Yes. For a while I controlled both en EDP, a Repeater and a filterbank from one FCB1010. All you have to do is to set the devices to dedicated MIDI channels. Live does not only accept MIDI note numbers. CC data or PC can also be used. Usuallly CC is used for stuff like sweeping Lives filter or other effect parameters from a MIDI expression pedal but even "on/ off" type of button function in Live can be controlled by CC. Then you have to make sure that one alternative ("on") goes with a low value and the other with a high value ("off"). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 20:16:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A49CF3BF40; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=koWdJSqiNUysny37YK1jfK2KeeFbm+P7KDzIkWVklzQAvpCHA+jmSz8IkEIxsfXg+GHeV1Ld3nnXkLO2PW4TU80Hw4M4DS5+NKMzo+WBuV2VCrcAew2IfLRdu7sfC1N/V7IQ+JUdbuIti5kkjdBQ0jyT54TJsosnVDMpQeXsbzk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601131216gf96d571j1b5770dc51019e58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:16:41 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: behringer 1602 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004201c61611$0876db20$0302a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Yes I have one and it does exactly what it says on the tin. It's small, quiet and sounds OK. On 1/13/06, monk wrote: > has anyone tried the behringer 1602 rack mount mixer? it looks decent > for a one rack space.. 16 mono/8 stereo line-ins with a monitor send... > > anyone? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 20:30:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140A83BF43; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060113200921.3EC383BF1F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060113200921.3EC383BF1F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BA1A677-BAD8-41B3-A1A1-6BDCEB037C61@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question. Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:30:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2HjAi.A.s0F.s3AyDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) On 13 jan 2006, at 21.09, Bill Edmondson wrote: > This is correct. The fcb1010 can transmit midi messages on 5 > separate midi > channels with one button press. You're right about the MIDI channels, but regarding type of MIDI messages the FCB is not very adaptable. > So you can set edp1 to channel 1, edp2 to > channel 2 and live to respond to midi channel 3. One limitation with the FCB is that it can only send MIDI notes over one, globally specified, MIDI channel. You can not use a different channel for MIDI notes in another preset or bank. This may make it more convenient to set both EDPs to the same MIDI channel but use the Note number offset on one EDP to have it listen at another note number range. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 20:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B4203BF4D; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C80FAA.3030602@cabq.gov> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:38:02 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #61 References: <20060113192104.C19EC3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060113192104.C19EC3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:38:13 +0000 (UTC) I will be lucky to attend NAMM for the first time ever this year, heading out with my musical looping comrade in "Acids and Bases" and the brains behind the Numerology sequencer, Jim Coker ( http://www.five12.com ). Count me in on a Looper Lunch, should be great! -jas Jason (the Looper T-shirt Guy) Albuquerque, New Mexico http://dimbulb.org Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] >Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:40 AM >To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) >Subject: NAMM LOOPERS BRUNCH? > > >Does anyone want to continue the tradition of the >Annual Loopers Delight Bruncheon at NAMM >next weekend? > >I'd like to propose an 11:30 BRUNCH on Saturday. > >We can have it at the same place we had it at last year (I forget the name >of the hotel restaurant >so will someone remind us.....it's right next to the Convention Center). > >If some of us can agree to meet, I can make a reservation for us. I have >to be finished by >12:30 or 12:45 at the latest to get to my performance at the Looperlative >booth. > >Who's with me? > >I can't wait to see you all, > >Rick Walker > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 20:54:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FECF3BF38; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question. Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:54:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c61883$89d41d80$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5FB96FF4-B33D-48BB-8E28-A11927C64205@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcYYeCyYh8RMZmw8TcGT6LDk7Q9kIwACvMDw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:54:34 +0000 (UTC) You said, > Live does not only accept MIDI note numbers. CC data or PC > can also be used. Usuallly CC is used for stuff like sweeping How can you use PC to control Live? I remember being somewhat disappointed when I did my specific implementation 'bout one year ago. Now we've advanced one full version number, but looking at the manual, I still only see mention of CC and Note data to remotely control Live. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 21:30:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C6473BF41; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c61883$89d41d80$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c61883$89d41d80$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BDEC459-F3F0-48B7-B5D4-A902B2974E69@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Prgr Change in Live (was: EDP, Live, FCB1010 Question) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:30:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6Q84jC.A.yvH.uvByDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:30:22 +0000 (UTC) On 13 jan 2006, at 21.54, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > You said, > >> Live does not only accept MIDI note numbers. CC data or PC >> can also be used. Usuallly CC is used for stuff like sweeping > > How can you use PC to control Live? I remember being somewhat > disappointed > when I did my specific implementation 'bout one year ago. Now we've > advanced > one full version number, but looking at the manual, I still only > see mention > of CC and Note data to remotely control Live. Sorry, I wasn't completely right on that. I remembered using PC's in a Ableton Live show once, but now when checking back at that session it appears that Program Change can only be used with Live in the other direction: From a MIDI Live Clip and to some other target. But If you have third-party effects or virtual instrument, also in Live, you can target them if they accept PC. I was simply using different Live Clips to control sound banks in a synth (taking advance of Lives random scripting). So to correct myself: MIDI note numbers and MIDI CC's is what Live can handle as INCOMING. Then Program Change is added for OUTGOING midi control. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 21:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A1143BF3C; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:57:11 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Message-id: <002b01c6188c$4ec59ee0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9CC00E59-6FBD-4B25-A138-13EFAB98F573@tiscali.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Gaetano - I am an owner of an Oberheim EDP and newer beige Gibson EDPs. With the previous Loop III software, I had a Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP connected together to make a stereo pair and I experienced no synchronization issues at all. However, when I upgraded my EDPs to the latest Loop IV software, I experienced synchronization problems between the Oberheim and Gibson models. There are many very interesting capabilities in the Loop IV software that make it very worth the upgrade. I learned from reading Loopers-Delight that the older Oberheim and the newer beige Gibson models can have synchronization problems because of differences in the "crystals" they each use. Now I have the two Gibson beige EDP's in a pair, and they are both running Loop IV software. Unfortunately, since running with Loop IV software these units will drift from eachother, but much much more slowly than would happen when pairing an Oberheim and a Gibson unit. It is really not much of a problem for me, as they drift apart very very slowly. At times however it is annoying, but I don't know what to do. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pseudo" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > Hi, I'm an Italian looper. > I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > I would like to manage stereo loops with two echoplex at the end of > signal flow of my rack. > At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro > upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV software (The same > features of the one I own). > Do you think the could be synced with the Brother-Sync and MIDI > connection? Or they are totally different? > The machine is used, how much do you think is its value? > > Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not have the chance to > buy it anymore! > > Thanks > Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 22:01:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92BB13BF46; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1137189681!39645293!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8CB0@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: behringer 1602 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:01:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6188C.E27B7E70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6188C.E27B7E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>has anyone tried the behringer 1602 rack mount mixer? it looks decent for a one rack space.. 16 mono/8 stereo line-ins with a monitor send...<< I have two behringer desks. neither of them are the 1602, they're both regular 19" console-shaped. one is an old (maybe 10 years) 2842 which needed new capacitors in it's power supply after a period of non-use when it was about 8- otherwise a decent enough desk. the new one has a mixture of mono & stereo inputs, is rackmounted & has decent eq, aux sends, direct outs, insert points, grouping & a master stereo effect. so far no complaints. can't remember the model number, but in my studio it was a real problem-solver, as I can now route stuff to either my revox 4-track or my korg 8 track without having to use a patch-bay- the two pairs of group outputs & the main mix out all carry different stuff, while the remaining channels on the 8-track can be used for mics or DI'd guitar/bass/whatever. sonically, the behringer seems to be very quiet, & handles loads of level without noticeable distortion. & I'm sure that, as he often has in the past, uli has "drawn inspiration" from someone else's design. I have no idea how they do it so cheaply- these two desks aren't flimsy, by any means. the older has been gigged a lot. I have a smaller rackmount mixer- the alesis 12R I think it's called. I think the behringers will outlast it, though it seemed like a good idea at the time.... but as the saying goes, your mileage may vary. duncan/r.m.i. www.radiomassacreinternational.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6188C.E27B7E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: behringer 1602

>>has anyone tried the behringer 1602 rack = mount mixer? it looks decent 
for a one rack space.. 16 mono/8 stereo line-ins = with a monitor send...<<

I have two behringer desks. neither of them are the = 1602, they're both regular 19" console-shaped.

one is an old (maybe 10 years) 2842 which needed new = capacitors in it's power supply after a period of non-use when it was = about 8- otherwise a decent enough desk.

the new one has a mixture of mono & stereo = inputs, is rackmounted & has decent eq, aux sends, direct outs, = insert points, grouping & a master stereo effect. so far no = complaints. can't remember the model number, but in my studio it was a = real problem-solver, as I can now route stuff to either my revox = 4-track or my korg 8 track without having to use a patch-bay- the two = pairs of group outputs & the main mix out all carry different = stuff, while the remaining channels on the 8-track can be used for mics = or DI'd guitar/bass/whatever. sonically, the behringer seems to be very = quiet, & handles loads of level without noticeable = distortion.

& I'm sure that, as he often has in the past, uli = has "drawn inspiration" from someone else's design. I have no = idea how they do it so cheaply- these two desks aren't flimsy, by any = means. the older has been gigged a lot.

I have a smaller rackmount mixer- the alesis 12R I = think it's called.
I think the behringers will outlast it, though it = seemed like a good idea at the time....

but as the saying goes, your mileage may vary.

duncan/r.m.i.

www.radiomassacreinternational.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6188C.E27B7E70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 22:51:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2350B3BF44; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b501c61893$d74859e0$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <09f901c61845$86ff34c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <0be301c6185b$5e607c70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Article in the Boise Weekly Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:51:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:51:13 +0000 (UTC) OK, Kris. Just this once, we'll pitch in and help promote your new album. Seriously, the Boise Weekly article was well written and quite accurate too. He refers to you as a "looping master", right on. It wasn't hard to whip up the following comment, which I posted today. - CW Dear Ryan: I enjoyed your Dec 17 article, In the Loop. Sorry it took so long to comment, the last month has been hectic. As it happens, I'm a big fan of this kind of music. Your analysis is right on the mark, esp. concerning the equipment and methods live loopers use to create these unique sounds. These are new techniques that were not nearly as widespread even 10 years ago. Looping is being applied to a variety of musical styles. You mentioned Chemical Bros and Boards of Canada, both of whom are deep into looping techniques. In fact, most techno musicians use looping to create their characteristic repetitive sound. Other practitioners are into experimental jazz, ambient and so called industrial music. The some loopers use melodic instruments like guitar and keyboard, others rely more heavily on samples and synthesizers. My own favs include The Crystal Method and Boise "looping master" Kris Hartung. I've been meaning to order Kris' new album, Xperimentus. I also hope to catch his live act at one of the looping festivals held around the globe every year. - Charles Winters, Seattle x----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > Oh, it would be hilarious if you guys went to that article below and > submitted some comments. You would be the first international musicians to > comment on the Boise looping music scene! The editor would get a kick out > of it, especially since I'm trying to get her to review Xperimentus. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:30 AM > Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > > >> http://tinyurl.com/8n3yg >> http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 >> >> snip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 23:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55B363BEF7; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Aw//Kfcuc5iilIcqqzI9kTwSOXcAB1X6cFMmTZ/RNVtBcQHMad4J3bUrkIw53k8gAEoAkv73jbnRCC64gbgfZNvQZbvzJdtyrj47VIE5H0rtWTLbR+zHpQ3oM6pvvUCvnUUMwmlzNdvZuMeVk/kA4Bsh2kLXRBUPVEPHZO7xcYw= ; Message-ID: <20060113231532.92183.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:15:32 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c6188c$4ec59ee0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) this is starting to scare me since i just bought a second black EDO does that mean that the black ones dont sync perfectly????? --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Gaetano - > > I am an owner of an Oberheim EDP and newer beige > Gibson EDPs. > > With the previous Loop III software, I had a > Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP > connected together to make a stereo pair and I > experienced no > synchronization issues at all. > > However, when I upgraded my EDPs to the latest Loop > IV software, I > experienced synchronization problems between the > Oberheim and Gibson models. > > There are many very interesting capabilities in the > Loop IV software that > make it very worth the upgrade. > > I learned from reading Loopers-Delight that the > older Oberheim and the newer > beige Gibson models can have synchronization > problems because of differences > in the "crystals" they each use. > > Now I have the two Gibson beige EDP's in a pair, and > they are both running > Loop IV software. Unfortunately, since running with > Loop IV software these > units will drift from eachother, but much much more > slowly than would happen > when pairing an Oberheim and a Gibson unit. It is > really not much of a > problem for me, as they drift apart very very > slowly. At times however it > is annoying, but I don't know what to do. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pseudo" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:30 AM > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > > > > Hi, I'm an Italian looper. > > I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > > I would like to manage stereo loops with two > echoplex at the end of > > signal flow of my rack. > > At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro > > upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV > software (The same > > features of the one I own). > > Do you think the could be synced with the > Brother-Sync and MIDI > > connection? Or they are totally different? > > The machine is used, how much do you think is its > value? > > > > Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not > have the chance to > > buy it anymore! > > > > Thanks > > Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 23:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E30993BF42; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: latency questions Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:41:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: jeff@zonemobius.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:41:37 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 12, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Please be advised that I did not measure the total latency of, say running > from the A/Ds to the ADAT interface into the Digiface into the Hammerfall > CardBus through the buffers through Live's I/O through several effects > through Live's I/O through the buffers through the Hammerfall into the > Digiface into the ADAT interface and out to the D/As. And this is basically > what we're after if we are looking at latency. It is possible to measure total latency with a "loopback" test, connect one channel of an output device to a channel of an input device. Setup an application capable of simultaneous play and record. Arm a record track, and play something. Stop and measure the amount of dead space at the front of the recording. If you're using Mobius, there is a little calibration utility that does this. In my experience DAC's don't add much, I've never seen it higher than 32 samples for the input and output sides, or a total of 64 extra samples above the ASIO buffer size. > Let's say we have three timing systems running at the same speed but with > different offsets. > 1) the sound of your instrument (the input) > 2) "the inside of your laptop" - the timing system of e.g. Mobius > 3) what comes out of the speakers (the output) > > I think it's safe to say that 3 is later than 2 is later than 1. Let's call > the respective delays d12 and d23. The distance between 1 and 2 is what I call "Input Latency", the distance between 2 and 3 is "Output Latency". It is common to lump them together and just talk about "latency" but they are actually different things, and they are not always the same length. > Note that there are different possibilities in which timing system you > perceive your own playing. If you listen to the signal going through the > converters, through the laptop and then coming back out of the speakers, you > listen to it in system 3 - case A. If you monitor your unprocessed/ converted > signal, you listen to it in system 1 - case B. Yes, this is what "latency compensation" is all about. Let's take your "Case B" first: > Case B: > You listen to a loop playing back (in timing system 3) and play along with > it (in timing system 1). Everything you play reaches your ear instantly, so > you don't have to "correct" anything. So something you overdub onto your > loop takes the time d12 after you play it to get to Mobius, and Mobius > actually played something d23 ahead of what you heard when you played your > overdub - hence your overdub happens with a delay of t - which, with crappy > hardware can be more than 20ms. (something like 32T at moderate house > tempo). Mobius compensates for this by shifting the overdub d12+d23 backward relative to the playback position. When your Input Latency and Output Latency are properly calibrated, you can achieve nearly perfect alignment of overdubs. > Case A: > You listen to a loop playing back (in timing system 3) and play along with > it (in timing system 1). Everything you play reaches your ear some time > t=d12+d23 after you play it. Here you are monitoring through the system, presumably adjusting your playing style so that what you overdub aligns with the background by playing slightly ahead of the beat. You can set the Input Latency and Output Latency values used for compensation in the looper to zero because the shift is effectively being performed by the musician. If the monitoring output is tapped before the final plugin in the chain, you may want some slight Output Latency adjustment to account for any latency introduced by the plugin chain after the monitor tap. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 23:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CE013BF53; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cb101c6189a$f29af6b0$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <09f901c61845$86ff34c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <0be301c6185b$5e607c70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00b501c61893$d74859e0$6401a8c0@charles2> Subject: Re: Article in the Boise Weekly Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:41:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 441, in=200862, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Very nice, Charles. Thanks for adding your piece of the musical pie to the Boise music scene! You didn't have to promote Xperimentus...just commenting on the article is nice enough. So you get a bonus. :) I believe Ryan plans to write a Part II of that article in the future, which dives into more details of the looping phenomenon. I look forward to that. Kris www.krispenhartung.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Winters" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Article in the Boise Weekly > OK, Kris. Just this once, we'll pitch in and help promote your new album. > Seriously, the Boise Weekly article was well written and quite accurate > too. He refers to you as a "looping master", right on. It wasn't hard to > whip up the following comment, which I posted today. - CW > > Dear Ryan: I enjoyed your Dec 17 article, In the Loop. Sorry it took so > long to comment, the last month has been hectic. As it happens, I'm a big > fan of this kind of music. Your analysis is right on the mark, esp. > concerning the equipment and methods live loopers use to create these > unique sounds. These are new techniques that were not nearly as > widespread even 10 years ago. > > > > Looping is being applied to a variety of musical styles. You mentioned > Chemical Bros and Boards of Canada, both of whom are deep into looping > techniques. In fact, most techno musicians use looping to create their > characteristic repetitive sound. Other practitioners are into > experimental jazz, ambient and so called industrial music. The some > loopers use melodic instruments like guitar and keyboard, others rely more > heavily on samples and synthesizers. My own favs include The Crystal > Method and Boise "looping master" Kris Hartung. I've been meaning to > order Kris' new album, Xperimentus. I also hope to catch his live act at > one of the looping festivals held around the globe every year. - Charles > Winters, Seattle > > > x----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE > > >> Oh, it would be hilarious if you guys went to that article below and >> submitted some comments. You would be the first international musicians >> to comment on the Boise looping music scene! The editor would get a kick >> out of it, especially since I'm trying to get her to review Xperimentus. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:30 AM >> Subject: RE: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE >> >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/8n3yg >>> http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 >>> >>> snip > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 13 23:53:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F1803BF50; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: latency questions Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:53:22 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c6189c$897ec830$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYYmuYIeR0QYyPSR+u5Ms2JQ1rGOAAAVXVQ Resent-Message-ID: <2yFj1B.A.WK.21DyDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:53:27 +0000 (UTC) > [lengthy post about Mobius' handling of latency for overdubs] Thanks, Jeff. I wasn't aware that Mobius does the kind of latency compensation you describe for the case B from my post. In that case, Per's statement about him only listening to his input signal pre-laptop makes sense, as he is using Mobius (standalone). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 02:49:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2162A3BF2D; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pUHmOl4IwXMiFb41aJawwgL6nqHhEtvqz/2gb+7lUVN4YNdvjuSpmX90/KGzxTob; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200616142563300@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:56:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403ce5b5d936222ebe1cc9a1dda7f77dd9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.127 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:49:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII As a dad,I've gotta say the finger-holding pic is just one of the coolest things I've ever seen. ~Tim www.mungenast.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 1/13/2006 4:52:04 AM Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... Great pictures, Mark. I love the one with his little hand wrapped around your finger. :) Congratulations, again. You're looping your kid already? I guess I can't say anthing...we have my 4 month old daugher on Xperimentus, completely replacing me on song #2, all manipulated with Andy and Mathias' Chopitch.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark francombe" To: Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE Born 11th January at 17.25. First sounds were made a few seconds later, which was of course recorded. He is 3.52 kg 51 cms tall. After a Tarantino Blood Bath of a Birth, Mother and Baby doing well, Dad is knackered however. Thx to all loopers who wished me luck off list/ the first baby pics are at... http://www.markfrancombe.com/ Mark mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14704 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
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Great pictures, Mark. I love the one with his little hand wrapped around your finger. :) Congratulations, again.
 
You're looping your kid already? I guess I can't say anthing...we have my 4 month old daugher on Xperimentus, completely replacing me on song #2, all manipulated with Andy and Mathias' Chopitch....
 
Kris
 
 
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NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE
Born 11th January at 17.25.

First sounds were made a few seconds later, which was of course recorded.

He is 3.52 kg
51 cms tall.

After a Tarantino Blood Bath of a Birth, Mother and Baby doing well, Dad is
knackered however.

Thx to all loopers who wished me luck off list/

the first baby pics are at... http://www.markfrancombe.com/


Mark


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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 03:00:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DFBC3BF46; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <42.7861697f.30f9c367@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:00:55 EST Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.7861697f.30f9c367_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:00:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_42.7861697f.30f9c367_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/06 3:50:37 AM, mark@markfrancombe.com writes: > NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE > mark.....his name is way too short!.....CONGRATS!.....your life will never be the same!.....:)m --part1_42.7861697f.30f9c367_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/13/06 3:50:37 AM, mark@markfrancombe.com writes:


NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORR= GREN FRANCOMBE


mark.....his name is way too short!.....CONGRATS!.....your life will never b= e the same!.....:)m --part1_42.7861697f.30f9c367_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 03:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC0813BF3B; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.43636476.30f9c900@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:24:48 EST Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19c.43636476.30f9c900_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:24:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_19c.43636476.30f9c900_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Like Tim says . . . In a message dated 1/13/06 6:49:48 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: > As a dad,I've gotta say the finger-holding pic is just one of the coolest=20 > things I've ever seen. >=20 The feelings, emotions and awe of parenthood are largely terra incognita to=20 many non-parents. Intellectually non-parents can understand some aspects of=20 what parents (new ones especially) are feeling. But, to outsiders it's a lot= like=20 being the 3rd-wheel "bachelor uncle" at dinner with a=20 newly-fallen-in-love-for-the-first-time couple. Ya gotta have been there to=20= understand. I've been there 3 times already. Each time it's like falling in love all ove= r=20 again. Great pix! Congratulations, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_19c.43636476.30f9c900_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,

Like Tim says . . .

In a message dated 1/13/06 6:49:48 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

As a dad,I've gotta s= ay the finger-holding pic is just one of the coolest things I've ever seen.<= /FONT>

The feelings, emotions and awe of parenthood are largely terra incognita to=20= many non-parents. Intellectually non-parents can understand some aspects of=20= what parents (new ones especially) are feeling. But, to outsiders it's a lot= like being the 3rd-wheel "bachelor uncle" at dinner with a newly-fallen-in-= love-for-the-first-time couple. Ya gotta have been there to understand.

I've been there 3 times already. Each time it's like falling in love all ove= r again. Great pix!

Congratulations,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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 --part1_19c.43636476.30f9c900_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 04:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CFDC3BF45; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cd501c618c6$9f5fe150$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <42.7861697f.30f9c367@aol.com> Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:54:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 104, in=62742, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm...there's only one other person I can think of with a name as beautifully long as that one: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... In a message dated 1/13/06 3:50:37 AM, mark@markfrancombe.com writes: NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE mark.....his name is way too short!.....CONGRATS!.....your life will never be the same!.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 09:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FF673BEE6; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43C7D7950000FDAE@mail-relay-1.tiscali.it> (added by postmaster@mail-relay-1.tiscali.it) From: "Pseudo" To: Subject: R: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:11:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYYl0JprcC7KuvuSXeIJ2sq84X1+wATlCNA In-Reply-To: <20060113231532.92183.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:11:29 +0000 (UTC) I am thinking positive about this problem, if you read the EDP FAQS of LD you will find that you have to make the brother-sync connection not with a single mono jack but other kind I don't remember at the moment, and you have to connect them via MIDI too. Bye -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Inviato: sabato 14 gennaio 2006 0.16 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? this is starting to scare me since i just bought a second black EDO does that mean that the black ones dont sync perfectly????? --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Gaetano - > > I am an owner of an Oberheim EDP and newer beige > Gibson EDPs. > > With the previous Loop III software, I had a > Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP > connected together to make a stereo pair and I > experienced no > synchronization issues at all. > > However, when I upgraded my EDPs to the latest Loop > IV software, I > experienced synchronization problems between the > Oberheim and Gibson models. > > There are many very interesting capabilities in the > Loop IV software that > make it very worth the upgrade. > > I learned from reading Loopers-Delight that the > older Oberheim and the newer > beige Gibson models can have synchronization > problems because of differences > in the "crystals" they each use. > > Now I have the two Gibson beige EDP's in a pair, and > they are both running > Loop IV software. Unfortunately, since running with > Loop IV software these > units will drift from eachother, but much much more > slowly than would happen > when pairing an Oberheim and a Gibson unit. It is > really not much of a > problem for me, as they drift apart very very > slowly. At times however it > is annoying, but I don't know what to do. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pseudo" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:30 AM > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > > > > Hi, I'm an Italian looper. > > I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > > I would like to manage stereo loops with two > echoplex at the end of > > signal flow of my rack. > > At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim > Echoplex Digital Pro > > upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV > software (The same > > features of the one I own). > > Do you think the could be synced with the > Brother-Sync and MIDI > > connection? Or they are totally different? > > The machine is used, how much do you think is its > value? > > > > Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not > have the chance to > > buy it anymore! > > > > Thanks > > Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 09:15:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44963BEEE; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:14:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Message-id: <43C8C0DD.6080808@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:15:55 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, January 14 at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5), just a little under two hours from now when I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. The show's format is: Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is . Listen on-line to WMUH at and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 14:52:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76FB73BEE8; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:51:09 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Another interesting article In-reply-to: <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43C90FDD.5050603@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060110172805.OZZA17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20060110130318.jixwbaweh7kgwwcw@www.michaelplishka.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:52:45 +0000 (UTC) mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > CHeck out > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/10/060110164416.p4z0rnx6.html > Essentially what was spoken of earlier how people don't appreciate > music... Sounds to me like an extension of the same complaint that resulted from the advent of radio and recording technologies. "Recordings have made music a commodity and lowers the public's appreciation of live music." Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 15:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51EAC3BEEA; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:37:55 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: OT: Star System Was: RE: Another interesting article In-reply-to: <43C90FDD.5050603@soundscapes.us> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017401c61920$7d097ee0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:36:27 +0000 (UTC) > Sounds to me like an extension of the same complaint that > resulted from > the advent of radio and recording technologies. "Recordings > have made > music a commodity and lowers the public's appreciation of live music." > Hey Bill - while I do certainly appreciate the many, many joys of recording and overdubbing and firmly believe that it's an overall positive, that doesn't mean that it had no negative effects. From a pseudo-sociological point of view, my (unresearched and uninformed but intuitive) belief is that recordings took a locally-based folk/troubadour system of music that had predominated throughout history and transformed it into the star system we have today. That's not entirely a positive thing, although it has positive aspects. I think that just now, perhaps, we're on the verge of a decentralization revolution caused by the radically decreasing price of recording technology, combined with the slow-motion crumbling of the majors caused by file sharing. Things could get interesting. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 15:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602BF3BEF1; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:35:30 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 14, 2006 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Message-id: <43C91A42.1050604@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:37:11 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060114.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #80 January 14, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Nattefrost] Hvorgudernevogter Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) VA [Johannes Interlude India Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) Schnoelling] VA [Jovica Storer] Photon Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) VA [Ozone Player] The Sprawl Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) Parallel Worlds Holding On CDR from artist (none) Create Earth To Mars From Earth To Mars (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Terry Oldfoeld Ocean Song De Profundis: Out of the Depths II (New Earth) Deuter Dammerschein East of the Full Moon (New Earth) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Proto~Kaw Nevermore The Wait of Glory (InsideOut) Kaipa Electric Leaves Mind Revolutions (InsideOut) The Tangent In Earnest A Place in the Queue (InsideOut) Riverside Volte-Face * Second Life Syndrome (InsideOut) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on January 28. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 15:56:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F7473BEDD; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F4CF9C6-7948-4121-9BFC-95F3F86E529F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:56:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:56:16 +0000 (UTC) I really love the vibe that somehow poured into this Telecaster/=20 Mobius improvisation: http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 When I was going to turn off the laptop I listened back to the three =20 M=F6bius tracks still looping and realized that "Hey, this is nice and =20= would be cool to keep". So I pushed that "Record Audio" button and =20 had a go at the three faders. When I heard the Telecaster guitar =20 sound looping back in HalfSpeed I almost thought it was a grand piano =20= in there! I guess it wouldn't have come out half that good (to my =20 taste) with a Strat or a Gibson? Anyway, I hope that someone finds =20 this short piece inspiring :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 16:49:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEC93BEEC; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:50:45 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) In-reply-to: <2F4CF9C6-7948-4121-9BFC-95F3F86E529F@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018a01c6192a$a9da61a0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:49:24 +0000 (UTC) I enjoyed that, Per. Did I get the whole thing, though? I heard about a minute, and then it cut off abruptly. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:56 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) >=20 >=20 > I really love the vibe that somehow poured into this Telecaster/=20 > Mobius improvisation: >=20 > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 >=20 > When I was going to turn off the laptop I listened back to the three =20 > M=F6bius tracks still looping and realized that "Hey, this is nice and = =20 > would be cool to keep". So I pushed that "Record Audio" button and =20 > had a go at the three faders. When I heard the Telecaster guitar =20 > sound looping back in HalfSpeed I almost thought it was a=20 > grand piano =20 > in there! I guess it wouldn't have come out half that good (to my =20 > taste) with a Strat or a Gibson? Anyway, I hope that someone finds =20 > this short piece inspiring :-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 17:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CF163BEF8; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <018a01c6192a$a9da61a0$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <018a01c6192a$a9da61a0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BA285AA-5287-4CDB-8D1E-7A1B79A7D817@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:11:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jan 2006, at 17.50, Warren Sirota wrote: > I enjoyed that, Per. Did I get the whole thing, though? I heard > about a > minute, and then it cut off abruptly. The complete mp3 file is 3:12. Glad you enjoyed the beginning of it :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 17:19:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68AFA3BEFA; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:19:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6192e$ae92bcc0$69929d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <2F4CF9C6-7948-4121-9BFC-95F3F86E529F@boysen.se> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:19:39 +0000 (UTC) I loved it too Per great piece :-) thanks for sharing Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Envoy=E9 : samedi 14 janvier 2006 16:56 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) I really love the vibe that somehow poured into this Telecaster/=20 Mobius improvisation: http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 When I was going to turn off the laptop I listened back to the three =20 M=F6bius tracks still looping and realized that "Hey, this is nice and =20 would be cool to keep". So I pushed that "Record Audio" button and =20 had a go at the three faders. When I heard the Telecaster guitar =20 sound looping back in HalfSpeed I almost thought it was a grand piano =20 in there! I guess it wouldn't have come out half that good (to my =20 taste) with a Strat or a Gibson? Anyway, I hope that someone finds =20 this short piece inspiring :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 18:54:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4573BEB5; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d4301c6193b$fc59db70$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:54:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0D3F_01C61901.4F0F9200"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **********: 10.272000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,NakedCR=2.0,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 442, in=201078, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:54:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0D3F_01C61901.4F0F9200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0D40_01C61901.4F0F9200" ------=_NextPart_001_0D40_01C61901.4F0F9200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello folks - I'm back in the saddle again, my first performance after back surgury = over the holidays. 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Krispen Hartung - Guitar,=20 Looping, Computer Generated Sound Effects
Vincent=20 Miresse  = -  Percussion, Dijeridu, strange and=20 bizarre instruments 
Streamed = world-wide to=20 the web in real-time at http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")
Date: January 14, 2006 =
Time:=20 8-10pm Mountain (Boise), 7-9pm Pacific (San Francisco), 9-11pm = Central=20 (Houston), 10-11pm Eastern (Boston), 3am UK = Time

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Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping = Guitarist
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Are you=20 Xperienced?
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14:07:57 EST Subject: Re: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_79.54277500.30faa60d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:08:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_79.54277500.30faa60d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, In a message dated 1/14/06 7:56:42 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > I really love the vibe that somehow poured into this Telecaster/ > Mobius improvisation: >=20 > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 >=20 I really do like that Per. It's very different than the CDs I have of your work - which (let me say again) I like very much as well . It has the "playful" exploration aspect of good experimental music without the "rusty hinge" sonics and existential angst. BTW, what is going on with that DVD project that you were doing as the next step in the "infotainment series." Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_79.54277500.30faa60d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per,

In a message dated 1/14/06 7:56:42 AM, per@boysen.se writes:

I really love the vib= e that somehow poured into this Telecaster/
Mobius improvisation:

http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3

I really do like that Per. It's very different than the CDs I have of
your work - which (let me say again) I like very much as well .

It has the "playful" exploration aspect of good experimental music
without the "rusty hinge" sonics and existential angst.

BTW, what is going on with that DVD project that you were doing
as the next step in the "infotainment series."

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_79.54277500.30faa60d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 19:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFA573BEFB; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <79.54277500.30faa60d@aol.com> References: <79.54277500.30faa60d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:34:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jan 2006, at 20.07, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > It has the "playful" exploration aspect of good experimental music > without the "rusty hinge" sonics and existential angst. Thanks! That's the "vibe" I like :-) > BTW, what is going on with that DVD project that you were doing > as the next step in the "infotainment series." Funny that you should ask that now, because right now I'm filling out the forms for clearing the mechanical licensing fee. We'll be sending in the master to the pressing plant this week. I'll notify the list when it's due. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 20:43:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FBF3BEE7; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:50:01 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Message-id: <000c01c6194c$172753a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <43C7D7950000FDAE@mail-relay-1.tiscali.it> (added by postmaster@mail-relay-1.tiscali.it) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:43:07 +0000 (UTC) I do this already. The problem persists, however. So, perhaps I'm doing something else incorrectly. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pseudo" To: Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:11 AM Subject: R: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > I am thinking positive about this problem, if you read the EDP FAQS of LD > you will find that you have to make the brother-sync connection not with a > single mono jack but other kind I don't remember at the moment, and you have > to connect them via MIDI too. > Bye > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Inviato: sabato 14 gennaio 2006 0.16 > A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Oggetto: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > > this is starting to scare me since i just bought a > second black EDO does that mean that the black ones > dont sync perfectly????? > > --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Gaetano - > > > > I am an owner of an Oberheim EDP and newer beige > > Gibson EDPs. > > > > With the previous Loop III software, I had a > > Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP > > connected together to make a stereo pair and I > > experienced no > > synchronization issues at all. > > > > However, when I upgraded my EDPs to the latest Loop > > IV software, I > > experienced synchronization problems between the > > Oberheim and Gibson models. > > > > There are many very interesting capabilities in the > > Loop IV software that > > make it very worth the upgrade. > > > > I learned from reading Loopers-Delight that the > > older Oberheim and the newer > > beige Gibson models can have synchronization > > problems because of differences > > in the "crystals" they each use. > > > > Now I have the two Gibson beige EDP's in a pair, and > > they are both running > > Loop IV software. Unfortunately, since running with > > Loop IV software these > > units will drift from eachother, but much much more > > slowly than would happen > > when pairing an Oberheim and a Gibson unit. It is > > really not much of a > > problem for me, as they drift apart very very > > slowly. At times however it > > is annoying, but I don't know what to do. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pseudo" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:30 AM > > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > > > > > > > Hi, I'm an Italian looper. > > > I own a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > > > I would like to manage stereo loops with two > > echoplex at the end of > > > signal flow of my rack. > > > At the moment I'm watching to buy an Oberheim > > Echoplex Digital Pro > > > upgraded to 198 secs of memory and Loop IV > > software (The same > > > features of the one I own). > > > Do you think the could be synced with the > > Brother-Sync and MIDI > > > connection? Or they are totally different? > > > The machine is used, how much do you think is its > > value? > > > > > > Please answer me as soon as possible, I could not > > have the chance to > > > buy it anymore! > > > > > > Thanks > > > Gaetano->Looper nick->Pseudo > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 22:19:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB5543BF00; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Walker Mix Up Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:19:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5020A67FB@earth.uces.edu.ar> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Lol.. oh my!! i mixed the Walkers. I'm sory William!! Ariel Rzezak Bedelía U.C.E.S. Buenos Aires, Argentina Ha Ha That's Funny! even though you are many thousands of miles away, you did what people, in our neck o' the woods have been doing for nearly half a century. Calling us by each other's names. Just so we get this strait, I'm the tall, strapping, blond, hunky brother who tends to speak in monosyllabic words and short sentences that often trail off before the idea is completed. I have a hard time speaking to the Ladies. Rick is the shorter, swarthier, gothic, intellectual one, who can discourse at length with anyone on an infinite number of topics, and tends to use a lot of big words. Rick gets all the Babe action. For those of you who know and have spent time with us, perhaps you can chime in if I missed anything of importance :) -----Original Message----- From: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@uces.edu.ar] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:08 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RV: DVD Re: CD SALES DECLINING? Lol.. oh my!! i mixed the Walkers. I'm sory William!! Ariel Rzezak Bedelía U.C.E.S. Buenos Aires, Argentina From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 22:49:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E86B3BEF8; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yunY5ldU3JFXGRkp7wJgS/N/4vjQTzKx12JkAcJyd7Gjy3sPCrUQH9ESOjCe06t3jjX14G4gWzJjaRuGnGMR2u4gao+u9a8PwNm81JCmjn6AxX39F+k2y+Zrz3WL/330OOduzP/a91B7UIrMWn7RZEzg9dygWUkpq5JHEHtmyYw= ; Message-ID: <20060114224906.70371.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42.7861697f.30f9c367@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1183461040-1137278946=:66553" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1183461040-1137278946=:66553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello, I was into alwin Nikolais...from his early shows..was great, they have some on vhc tapes..5 that I know of....he was real good to see...Gerry Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/13/06 3:50:37 AM, mark@markfrancombe.com writes: NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE mark.....his name is way too short!.....CONGRATS!.....your life will never be the same!.....:)m --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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hello, I was into alwin Nikolais...from his early shows..was great, they have some on vhc tapes..5 that I know of....he was real good to see...Gerry

Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 1/13/06 3:50:37 AM, mark@markfrancombe.com writes:


NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE


mark.....his name is way too short!.....CONGRATS!.....your life will never be the same!.....:)m

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You design it and we’ll bind it! --0-1183461040-1137278946=:66553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 22:52:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8921B3BF06; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1137278835.43c97f738b998@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:47:15 -0300 From: arzezak@uces.edu.ar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) References: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 200.45.56.142 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Per, i love it too!! that pristine telecaster sound!! It's so clear. It was just the guitar through m=F6bius? A real beauty. Thanks for sharing. Ariel Buenos Aires, Argentina www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ Mensaje citado por Per Boysen : > I really love the vibe that somehow poured into this Telecaster/ > Mobius improvisation: > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 > > When I was going to turn off the laptop I listened back to the three > M=F6bius tracks still looping and realized that "Hey, this is nice and > would be cool to keep". So I pushed that "Record Audio" button and > had a go at the three faders. When I heard the Telecaster guitar > sound looping back in HalfSpeed I almost thought it was a grand piano > in there! I guess it wouldn't have come out half that good (to my > taste) with a Strat or a Gibson? Anyway, I hope that someone finds > this short piece inspiring :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 14 23:19:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D399B3BF08; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <1137278835.43c97f738b998@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> References: <001901c617cf$5cadc900$0601a8c0@succubus> <1137278835.43c97f738b998@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <040722AB-600F-4BC0-B421-14C87B863461@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gotta share this lucky recording :-))) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:58:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:19:04 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jan 2006, at 23.47, arzezak@uces.edu.ar wrote: > Per, > i love it too!! that pristine telecaster sound!! It's so clear. > It was just the guitar through m=F6bius? Telecaster --> t.c.electronicFIREWORX --> Laptop with M=F6bius yours p= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 00:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1623BF10; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Walker Mix Up Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:41:59 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001201c6196c$7ed6b340$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYZWKc52RJpI7B0TaGVRx/sbluz+QAAyNOgAAQq6lA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:42:08 +0000 (UTC) > For those of you who know and have spent time with us, perhaps you can > chime in if I missed anything of importance :) Rick is the one that doesn't seem to reply to my private emails anymore. Rick, didn't you get through to answer (the last one from 1-10), or didn't you get them (in case your ISP filters all the mails from my domain - something a friend of mine had happening one) or simply I didn't get your replies because my ISP or my spam filter didn't think you're noteworthy. Just drop me a line either way. Rick is also the guy with the found sound and percussion stuff, and the one I know uses Ableton Live. He has made it his personal crusade to advocate live looping and organize festivals for it, and get other people to do the same. It's great fun to discuss looping, music, or about anything with him (at least via email, as I've never met him in person, although I think this really has to change). At least Rick is happy to be bound in a steady relationship, so is not allowed by conventional standards to get any of the hot girl action Bill mentioned - don't know about Bill... Bill is the guy who amused all of us with his early attacks of Altzheimer when first he couldn't find his SM57s and then sent the mail inquiring wheter his brother had seen them to this list. Hey Bill, I'd be glad to borrow you one or two of my Beyer M201 for you to try as a replacement - just pop by my place and I'll hand them to you (but not withot doing a malt whiskey tasting session and a Repeater workshop). Mentioning repeater, besides being a guitarist, Bill seems to be the guy for doing really outstanding stuff with the Repeater - I'd like to call him the Andre LaFosse of the Repeater, but would be sure to get both EDP and Repeater users all over the world (and perhaps both Andre and Bill) upset by this, so I refrain from doing so. And the noises fed into the Repeater are generated by guitars most of the time. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 01:52:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E973BF0E; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jJJvX4q7eTq4XpIh7PjMgCfL4uiHNG5n430SAGeurVEcHmQLV4vOslqlBNHquVQw; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006101515914790@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:59:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406a3ebecc57e9ef99c17938a76e895fec350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:52:37 +0000 (UTC) How about Timothy James Francis Mungenast? > [Original Message] > From: Kris Hartung > To: > Date: 1/13/2006 11:54:42 PM > Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... > > Hmmm...there's only one other person I can think of with a name as > beautifully long as that one: > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: Waaaay OT Baby Spam... > > In a message dated 1/13/06 3:50:37 AM, mark@markfrancombe.com writes: > > > NIKOLAS COURTNEY NORRGREN FRANCOMBE > > > mark.....his name is way too short!.....CONGRATS!.....your life will never > be the same!.....:)m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 06:13:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E393BEF4; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: Not totally OT-Toxic Audio Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:13:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001201c6196c$7ed6b340$0601a8c0@succubus> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:13:34 +0000 (UTC) If you get the chance to see Toxic Audio sometime-do it. Very entertaining and great show-these folks have some serious talent. They even did a song that was looping based! www.toxicaudio.com ~peace~ Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 06:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4C03BEFB; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c6199d$803eb170$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:32:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C61962.D2EFFB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **********: 10.572001 Content: cid=309(2.0) cid=195(1.0) =3.0,URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,NakedCR=2.0,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 443, in=212312, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:32:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C61962.D2EFFB30 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0015_01C61962.D2EFFB30" ------=_NextPart_001_0015_01C61962.D2EFFB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw a handful of people on my webstream tonight. Thank you to anyone = on the list that was listening in. However, I have to apologize for = such an unbelievably atrocious performance. [sigh] I would be surprised = if 10% of that 2 hour gig was worth listening to now. I tried a lot of = stupid things that completely botched my groove and attitude...like = putting heavy gauge strings on my acoustic and tuning it down a whole = third - low string to C. What a freakin' nightmare....feedback, = uncontrollable low end, weird overtones, etc, etc. It sounded good = through headphones and with just the acoustic with nothing else....not = so good through the PA without having tested it first.. And then I = discovered with 15 minutes left of the night that my soundcard was = configured incorrectly, and I was getting a pass-through signal on all = of my VST effects. So nothing sounded like it was supposed to sound. = There were a few moments were we got really experimental and it was = fun...but they were fleeting. Kris Hello folks - I'm back in the saddle again, my first performance after back surgury = over the holidays. I'm playing tonight and also streaming the = performance to the web. Check out the details below. Krispen Hartung - Guitar, Looping, Computer Generated Sound Effects Vincent Miresse - Percussion, Dijeridu, strange and bizarre = instruments=20 Streamed world-wide to the web in real-time at = http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")=20 Date: January 14, 2006=20 Time: 8-10pm Mountain (Boise), 7-9pm Pacific (San Francisco), 9-11pm = Central (Houston), 10-11pm Eastern (Boston), 3am UK Time = *************************************************************************= *************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar:=20 = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Are you Xperienced? http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0015_01C61962.D2EFFB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I saw a handful of people on my = webstream tonight.=20 Thank you to anyone on the list that was listening in.  However, I = have to=20 apologize for such an unbelievably atrocious performance. [sigh]  I = would=20 be surprised if 10% of that 2 hour gig was worth listening to now. = I tried=20 a lot of stupid things that completely botched my groove and = attitude...like=20 putting heavy gauge strings on my acoustic and tuning it down a whole = third -=20 low string to C. What a freakin' nightmare....feedback, uncontrollable = low end,=20 weird overtones, etc, etc. It sounded good through headphones and = with just=20 the acoustic with nothing else....not so good through the PA without = having=20 tested it first.. And then I discovered with 15 minutes left of the = night that=20 my soundcard was configured incorrectly, and I was getting a = pass-through signal=20 on all of my VST effects. So nothing sounded like it was supposed to = sound.=20 There were a few moments were we got really experimental and it was = fun...but=20 they were fleeting.
 
Kris
 
 
Hello = folks=20 -
 
I'm = back in the saddle=20 again, my first performance after back surgury over the holidays. I'm = playing=20 tonight and also streaming the performance to the web. Check out the = details=20 below.

Krispen Hartung - Guitar,=20 Looping, Computer Generated Sound Effects
Vincent=20 Miresse  = -  Percussion, Dijeridu, strange=20 and bizarre instruments 
Streamed = world-wide to the web in real-time at = http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")
Date: January 14, 2006 =
Time:=20 8-10pm Mountain (Boise), 7-9pm Pacific (San Francisco), 9-11pm = Central=20 (Houston), 10-11pm Eastern (Boston), 3am UK = Time

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Krispen=20 Hartung
Improvisational / Experimental / Avant-Garde Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com /=20 208-724-5603
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&a= mp;value=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm

Are you=20 Xperienced?
http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus
 
 
 
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 15:31:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF63D3BED0; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:29:56 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE] In-reply-to: <08c201c61703$38b8be50$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43CA6A74.80303@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <08c201c61703$38b8be50$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <6dbixD.A.qGC.lrmyDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > How about how to get on radio stations. I think I spent a whole > weekend a year ago sending out press packs to about 20 radio stations. > It probably worked on two of them...not much return on investment, and > I'm reluctant to try it again. Hi Kris, I'm sorry for your less than satisfactory experience at sending out promos. Perhaps this will help. As a radio show host of three programs, I'd like to tackle that one. Please view my tips page at . The Indie Bible refers to this page since it's applicable across all music genres. Believe it or not, everything on that page is secondary to this: Do your homework. Don't send a CD anywhere just because it's a radio station or DJ. Make PERSONAL CONTACT first and TALK to people. Find out: * Is your style of music is played? * What is the policy and proper procedure for submitting music? * Do they accept music from unsigned artists? It might seem like common sense and I shouldn't have to say this, but experience tells me that I can't say this enough times or with enough vehemence: DON'T SEND YOUR MUSIC WHERE IT DOESN'T MATCH THE STYLE OF MUSIC PLAYED BY A STATION OR DJ. I can't tell you how much music is sent to me in hopes of airplay that just doesn't fall anywhere close to the music genres I play. As a result, I started a second and third program in 2002 to allow me to play a little bit of this out-of-genre music I received. However, most DJs won't do this. Your resources will be wasted if YOU don't place your music properly. Sending thrash or rap music to a host of an ambient program makes NO SENSE but it happens almost too regularly!!! For me, I try to get artists to contact me BEFORE they send anything so I can send them a form letter, included below. I think that you'll find it enlightening. Most artists are so sharply focused on making music that they have no idea about the BUSINESS part of music. BTW, it's the music BUSINESS, not the MUSIC business. Sad, but true. My form letter is an attempt to convey some of my realities to artists to try and avoid them wasting their resources on me if I can't help them. BTW, since looping is not a genre of music, please don't assume that you can get airplay on my programs. But I have and do play music from list members because some of it is appropriate to my shows. That's where the advice "Do your homework" pays off. Cheers, Bill ========= All submissions are welcomed and will be seriously considered for inclusion on future shows. Nothing can be returned. Due to the large volume of materials received, confirmation of receipt of materials and confirmation of airplay cannot be made. I also cannot provide comments or an analysis of your music. Unfortunately, there isn't enough time in the day for me to listen to everybody's mp3 files. I already have stacks of CDs waiting to be heard. You'll have to decide for yourself if your music fits the format of any of my shows. These are the cruel realities I've had to face. To learn if your submission has been aired, you should periodically check the Playlists or request to have them emailed to you if you don't already see them on one of the mailing lists where I post such things. Remember, BEFORE YOU SEND ANYTHING, please examine my playlists to see what I tend to play. I don't want you to waste your precious resources, so please don't send something that I don't play (thrash, rap, or dance music, for example). ALWAYS match what you send to a show's format or ethos. Send your package to WDIY and/or WMUH and/or me. Please be sure to tell me which address you use. Anything sent to a station will go into that station's library for use only at that station. You must tell me if you send to a station so I know where to look for your package. Anything sent to me will go into my personal library for use only on my appropriate shows at either station. Your best bet to get on the air the fastest is to send your CDs directly to me. They get into my hands *MUCH* faster and it gives me plenty of time to preview your music. === Bill Fox P.O. Box 632 Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632 USA === WDIY FM 301 Broadway Bethlehem PA 18015 === WMUH Box 2806 Muhlenberg College Allentown, PA 18104 === Please be aware that CD and CD-R in regular sized jewel cases are considered to be the most radio-friendly formats at this time. CD players are much easier to use than any other format. Anything that doesn't fit into my CD travel case, which holds standard sized jewel cases, is difficult to bring to the station. Jewel cases also provide a spine that is large enough to see the CD artist and title when I'm trying to find something stored with hundreds of other CDs. Any other packaging style is likely to receive less airplay than something in a jewel case. The most important items to include on the artwork include: A numbered track listing that shows the running time of each track. A clear indication of the release's artist. A clear indication of the release's title. Contact information. Want to maximize your CD's airplay? A few more tips you might want to follow are at: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/tips.html Long tracks are not easy to excerpt unless you subdivide them into more than one index number. A CD that has one 50 minute track is not going to get as much airplay as multiple tracks that total 50 minutes. The tracks can run together with continuous sound but now DJs have *easy* access to more than just the beginning of the piece. All submissions are always greatly appreciated. But please do yourself a favor and study the various sections of all my radio web sites first, then decide if your music really fits in with the show's format. I play prog on two shows, eclectic mix on two shows, and EM on two shows, spread across three shows on two radio stations in the Lehigh Valley. Please be sure to specify in the package you send which show(s) where you want to target your music. Your support is most appreciated. Cheers, Bill - http://soundscapes.us/bill ========================================================================================================== Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm ========================================================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml ========================================================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ========================================================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 20:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD483BED0; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c61a13$15f6bb70$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <001801c6199d$803eb170$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:34:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C619D0.07797490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:34:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C619D0.07797490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bravo, Kris: I listened in for most of it. That live audio capability = from a remote location is really cool. I presume you used the = coffeehouse wi-fi connection to the Shoutcast hosting service. You'll = have to share with us a simple explanation of what you had to do = technically to get connected to Shoutcast. For the listener, it all = ends up at a special web page with a link to winamp or iTunes software = if you need it. Simple, quick and effective. =20 If I understand it correctly, this means any of you live loopers who use = a laptop in your act can do the same. I'm going to try to broadcast = John's performances that amount to 1 hour or more. It might take a = while, but I'm sure he'll go for it and I encourage the rest of you to = find something similar and start broadcasting your shows to the planet. = - CW =20 Some observations about the music and the listening experience: a.. I tuned in about 7:25 PST. I listened in for the next 90 min or = so, while I did some work on my home computer. b.. Sound quality of the music was excellent, I couldn't quite hear = the voices in the crowd c.. The music styles varied from ambient and industrial to something = more lively almost techno with regular beats and jazzy progressions. = Naturally, I prefer the more lively pieces. d.. The performing was top notch, with very few errors, about what = you'd expect with the best I've heard. You have nothing to apologize = for in that dept. e.. I especially liked a lively piece that started about 7:32 and = ended about 7:45. World class, IMO. f.. The synchronization between you and the drummer was off more than = you probably prefer, oh well. g.. There was a microphone somewhere picking up crowd voices, = including yours, in-between numbers. Unfortunately, the volume was very = low and you couldn't quite follow the conversations. That would have = been interesting, since most of it was dialog between you or the drummer = and various fans in the audience. Maybe there is a way to enhance that = part of the show with a wireless lapel mic. =20 FYI: John's music is at http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! I saw a handful of people on my webstream tonight. Thank you to anyone = on the list that was listening in. However, I have to apologize for = such an unbelievably atrocious performance. [sigh] I would be surprised = if 10% of that 2 hour gig was worth listening to now. I tried a lot of = stupid things that completely botched my groove and attitude...like = putting heavy gauge strings on my acoustic and tuning it down a whole = third - low string to C. What a freakin' nightmare....feedback, = uncontrollable low end, weird overtones, etc, etc. It sounded good = through headphones and with just the acoustic with nothing else....not = so good through the PA without having tested it first.. And then I = discovered with 15 minutes left of the night that my soundcard was = configured incorrectly, and I was getting a pass-through signal on all = of my VST effects. So nothing sounded like it was supposed to sound. = There were a few moments were we got really experimental and it was = fun...but they were fleeting. Kris snip ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C619D0.07797490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bravo,=20 Kris:  I listened in for = most of=20 it.  That live audio = capability from=20 a remote location is really cool.  I=20 presume you used the coffeehouse wi-fi connection to the Shoutcast = hosting=20 service.  You=92ll have to = share with=20 us a simple explanation of what you had to do technically to get = connected to=20 Shoutcast.  For the = listener, it all=20 ends up at a special web page with a link to winamp or iTunes software = if you=20 need it.  Simple, quick = and=20 effective.

 

If = I understand=20 it correctly, this means any of you live loopers who use a laptop in = your act=20 can do the same.  I=92m = going to try=20 to broadcast John=92s performances that amount to 1 hour or more.  It might take a while, but = I=92m sure=20 he=92ll go for it and I encourage the rest of you to find something = similar and=20 start broadcasting your shows to the planet. - CW

 

Some=20 observations about the music and the listening experience:

  • I tuned in about 7:25 PST. =20 I listened in for the next 90 min or so, while I did some work = on my=20 home computer.
  • Sound quality of the music was excellent, I couldn=92t = quite hear the=20 voices in the crowd
  • The music styles varied from ambient and industrial to = something=20 more lively almost techno with regular beats and jazzy = progressions.  Naturally, I prefer the more = lively=20 pieces.
  • The performing was top notch, with very few errors, about = what=20 you=92d expect with the best I=92ve heard. =20 You have nothing to apologize for in that dept.
  • I especially liked a lively piece that started about = 7:32 and ended about 7:45.  = World class, IMO.
  • The synchronization between you and the drummer was off = more than=20 you probably prefer, oh well.
  • There was a microphone somewhere picking up crowd voices, = including=20 yours, in-between numbers. =20 Unfortunately, the volume was very low and you couldn=92t quite = follow=20 the conversations.  That = would=20 have been interesting, since most of it was dialog between you or the = drummer=20 and various fans in the audience. =20 Maybe there is a way to enhance that part of the show with a = wireless=20 lapel mic.

 

FYI:  John=92s music is at http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 14, = 2006 10:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance=20 Streamed to Web Tonight!

I saw a handful of people on my = webstream=20 tonight. Thank you to anyone on the list that was listening in.  = However,=20 I have to apologize for such an unbelievably atrocious performance. = [sigh]=20  I would be surprised if 10% of that 2 hour gig was worth = listening=20 to now. I tried a lot of stupid things that completely botched my = groove and=20 attitude...like putting heavy gauge strings on my acoustic and tuning = it down=20 a whole third - low string to C. What a freakin' = nightmare....feedback,=20 uncontrollable low end, weird overtones, etc, etc. It sounded = good=20 through headphones and with just the acoustic with nothing else....not = so good=20 through the PA without having tested it first.. And then I discovered = with 15=20 minutes left of the night that my soundcard was configured = incorrectly, and I=20 was getting a pass-through signal on all of my VST effects. So nothing = sounded=20 like it was supposed to sound. There were a few moments were we got = really=20 experimental and it was fun...but they were fleeting.
 
Kris
 
snip
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C619D0.07797490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 22:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC053BEDC; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <53.35dd10dc.30fc2207@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:09:11 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Radio=20Airplay=20[was:=20WAYS=20TO=20SELL=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OUR=20SELVES:=A0=20ONLINE]?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.35dd10dc.30fc2207_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:09:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_53.35dd10dc.30fc2207_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, As for getting airplay (and print reviews too) -- I was extremely fortunate=20 to have my CD put out on an actual label (pfMENTUM) that, although small,=20 already had a positive track record (of sorts) with certain kinds of reviewe= rs,=20 publications, radio shows, programing directors, etc. They had a mailing lis= t=20 already compiled of nearly 1000 already proven "semi-receptive" destinations= to=20 send my disk to. And, therefore, I sent them.=20 I sent CDs out to much less than the full list, certainly, but still a very,= =20 very large number -- a hideous, expensive, embarrassingly large number -- al= l=20 in order to get the 30-40 some odd radio stations to play it (the ones I kno= w=20 of which post their playlists online) and the few dozen favorable reviews it= =20 got (also just the ones that I know of who sent me tearsheet copies or email= s)=20 from folks all around Europe, Canada, the US and in Austrailia. For all that= =20 lot, hundreds of disks went out and were totally, completely ignored. That's= =20 just the way it goes.=20 There has been some discussion on the list about the pros and cons of simply= =20 giving away your MP3 downloads online. All well and good, I really don't hav= e=20 an opinion to offer on that. But, to the degree that you want to be taken=20 seriously as an artist and get airplay and reviews and some public notice, y= ou=20 have to be prepared to FREELY GIVE AWAY SOMETHING in return for acheiving th= at=20 goal.=20 I sent out not mere dozens but literally hundreds of CDs to people who=20 largely recieved it with indifference. In the package was a well-written pre= ss=20 release, a nice photo, and a reminder blurbett/flyer about the pfMENTUM labe= l which=20 had sent so many other CDs to the recipient that they had supposedly enjoyed= =20 -- connecting in the reviewers mind my new CD (which they were holding) and=20 the hopefully positive memoriy of other disks from the label. I got airplay in nearly every country in Europe from Norway to Spain an from= =20 the UK to Romania and Lithuania and the former Soviet Union (an including,=20 strange as it seems, even Siberia). Several stations in Canada and college=20 stations around the US played it as well and more than a few stations down u= nder in=20 Australia too. Still, with all of that, I cannot get airplay on the local=20 college radio station in my own town. Go figure. Fair or not, that's just th= e way=20 it is. I did make a couple of exceptions, cause back in 2001 when my CD came out=20 there were a couple of folks on the LD list that had radio shows of one sort= or=20 another. Because he posted a general invite for submissions to the LD list a= t=20 some point I did send a disk to Billy Fox at one of his stations or another=20= (I=20 forget which). Nevertheless, what he says is true, I should've paid closer=20 attention to what sort of material he was looking for and playing. My disk "= Flux=20 Aeterna" was not a particulaly good fit in retrospect. It lurches from=20 post-rock guitar to semi-industrial, to neo space-rock and long stretches of= =20 ambient(ish) ear-wash to semi-jazzy languid melodically emotive noodling and= totally=20 gnarly electronic experimentalism. It's simply doesn't sit still and do just= =20 any one thing, it tries to do several and it kept turning oblique corners=20 stylistically while doing it.=20 Though there might've been a couple of individual cuts on there that could'v= e=20 fit the program, I'm sure he didn't have time to go looking for them and I=20 certainly didn't give him any clues toward finding them. My advice, if you f= ind=20 yourself in a similar situation where a given programmer is wanting a CERTAI= N=20 THING for their show -- direct them to the pertinent tracks that will most=20 likely interest them. Don't send it to them and say (essentially): "Here it=20= is.=20 You're on your own." In other words, what I sent to him was of no use to him= .=20 It's not his fault. It's mine for not thinking it through. Anyhoo, that's what little advice I have to offer. A lot of it is simply "be= =20 lucky." The rest of it is to be wise and mail/give away everything you can -= -=20 but give it only to the right folks. Also, remember to help those recipients= =20 of your CD out a little (if there needs are narrower than your material) by=20 directing them to particular tracks that will most interest them. More advice . . . if they do in fact listen to your CD they may not listen t= o=20 all of it. A certain writer for a certain prominent guitar magazine got my C= D=20 and must've listened to just the first cut and half of the second and formed= =20 a quick opinion (and a clever, from his point of view, way to say it) -- whi= ch=20 his magazine then published. That opinion was generally a positive one but i= t=20 was sort of "off-handed" and also obvious from it that he hadn't actually=20 listened to the whole thing. We met, face-to-face, a year or so later at a N= AMM=20 show and he was abashed and apologetic as all get out. Somehow he finally di= d=20 listen to the rest of the CD, liked it all, and found out how short-sighted=20= and=20 one-dimensional his review was having been based on only listening to the=20 first couple of tracks and figuring the rest was more of the same. He's a go= od=20 guy, a very busy one, and an excellent player himself. I was as sincerly=20 appreciative of the press as it was anyway so it was really no trouble to be= =20 wholeheartedly forgiving in return.=20 In short, my advice is to take the bitter with the sweet and hold no grudges= .=20 You never know, you may make a friend -- or more likely meet a "fellow=20 traveler." Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_53.35dd10dc.30fc2207_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

As for getting airplay (and print reviews too) -- I was extremely fortunate=20= to have my CD put out on an actual label (pfMENTUM) that, although small, al= ready had a positive track record (of sorts) with certain kinds of reviewers= , publications, radio shows, programing directors, etc. They had a mailing l= ist already compiled of nearly 1000 already proven "semi-receptive" destinat= ions to send my disk to. And, therefore, I sent them.

I sent CDs out to much less than the full list, certainly, but still a very,= very large number -- a hideous, expensive, embarrassingly large number -- a= ll in order to get the 30-40 some odd radio stations to play it (the ones I=20= know of which post their playlists online) and the few dozen favorable revie= ws it got (also just the ones that I know of who sent me tearsheet copies or= emails) from folks all around Europe, Canada, the US and in Austrailia. For= all that lot, hundreds of disks went out and were totally, completely ignor= ed. That's just the way it goes.

There has been some discussion on the list about the pros and cons of simply= giving away your MP3 downloads online. All well and good, I really don't ha= ve an opinion to offer on that. But, to the degree that you want to be taken= seriously as an artist and get airplay and reviews and some public notice,=20= you have to be prepared to FREELY GIVE AWAY SOMETHING in return for acheivin= g that goal.

I sent out not mere dozens but literally hundreds of CDs to people who large= ly recieved it with indifference. In the package was a well-written press re= lease, a nice photo, and a reminder blurbett/flyer about the pfMENTUM label=20= which had sent so many other CDs to the recipient that they had supposedly e= njoyed -- connecting in the reviewers mind my new CD (which they were holdin= g) and the hopefully positive memoriy of other disks from the label.

I got airplay in nearly every country in Europe from Norway to Spain an from= the UK to Romania and Lithuania and the former Soviet Union (an including,=20= strange as it seems, even Siberia). Several stations in Canada and college s= tations around the US played it as well and more than a few stations down un= der in Australia too. Still, with all of that, I cannot get airplay on the l= ocal college radio station in my own town. Go figure. Fair or not, that's ju= st the way it is.

I did make a couple of exceptions, cause back in 2001 when my CD came out th= ere were a couple of folks on the LD list that had radio shows of one sort o= r another. Because he posted a general invite for submissions to the LD list= at some point I did send a disk to Billy Fox at one of his stations or anot= her (I forget which). Nevertheless, what he says is true, I should've paid c= loser attention to what sort of material he was looking for and playing. My=20= disk "Flux Aeterna" was not a particulaly good fit in retrospect. It lurches= from post-rock guitar to semi-industrial, to neo space-rock and long stretc= hes of ambient(ish) ear-wash to semi-jazzy languid melodically emotive noodl= ing and totally gnarly electronic experimentalism. It's simply doesn't sit s= till and do just any one thing, it tries to do several and it kept turning o= blique corners stylistically while doing it.

Though there might've been a couple of individual cuts on there that could'v= e fit the program, I'm sure he didn't have time to go looking for them and I= certainly didn't give him any clues toward finding them. My advice, if you=20= find yourself in a similar situation where a given programmer is wanting a C= ERTAIN THING for their show -- direct them to the pertinent tracks that will= most likely interest them. Don't send it to them and say (essentially): "He= re it is. You're on your own." In other words, what I sent to him was of no=20= use to him. It's not his fault. It's mine for not thinking it through.

Anyhoo, that's what little advice I have to offer. A lot of it is simply "be= lucky." The rest of it is to be wise and mail/give away everything you can=20= -- but give it only to the right folks. Also, remember to help those recipie= nts of your CD out a little (if there needs are narrower than your material)= by directing them to particular tracks that will most interest them.

More advice . . . if they do in fact listen to your CD they may not listen t= o all of it. A certain writer for a certain prominent guitar magazine got my= CD and must've listened to just the first cut and half of the second and fo= rmed a quick opinion (and a clever, from his point of view, way to say it) -= - which his magazine then published. That opinion was generally a positive o= ne but it was sort of "off-handed" and also obvious from it that he hadn't a= ctually listened to the whole thing. We met, face-to-face, a year or so late= r at a NAMM show and he was abashed and apologetic as all get out. Somehow h= e finally did listen to the rest of the CD, liked it all, and found out how=20= short-sighted and one-dimensional his review was  having been based on= only listening to the first couple of tracks and figuring the rest was more= of the same. He's a good guy, a very busy one, and an excellent player hims= elf. I was as sincerly appreciative of the press as it was anyway so it was=20= really no trouble to be wholeheartedly forgiving in return.

In short, my advice is to take the bitter with the sweet and hold no grudges= . You never know, you may make a friend -- or more likely meet a "fellow tra= veler."

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_53.35dd10dc.30fc2207_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 15 23:57:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FFD43BED2; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: Repeater: What's that. Another joke? Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:57:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYJycaAhqkxxuIwTgG9db4t7HANqQQZXlkg In-Reply-To: <20051226030923.72930.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20060115235738.0D8513BEB5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7gNc-D.A.6RE.zFuyDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:57:39 +0000 (UTC) This is the latest post on the Electrix Forum. Must be a piss take "Looks like Boss won't be the only one beating Electrix to the punch. EHX is bringing out it's own looper in late February. "The 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper is 4 mono tracks and 1 stereo mix track with L+R in and outs. It records at 44.1 kHz, 16-Bit. It stores Loops on a Flash Card. You record the first loop length depending on the amount of memory on the flash card. So once you set track one to be say 5 minutes all other loop tracks with be 5 minutes or less. You can also record in reverse. Then you can mix and pan the four to the stereo 2 tracks. Then record 4 new loops, save the whole thing to the Flash Card and take it to your next gig. It features Midi Clock, Tempo and Pitch change (1 octave up and down) headphone jack and true bypass switching and an optional foot controller." $698 list, foot controller $186 list. I figure $550, $125, street price.. " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 01:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F071E3BED8; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009a01c61a3c$65f6c970$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <08c201c61703$38b8be50$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43CA6A74.80303@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE] Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:30:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.250000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 106, in=63164, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-BvgQD.A.pIH.rcvyDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Bill. I'll check out your FAQ. Incidentally, I think the only bit of advise I have not followed below from you is calling and talking to these folks in person. I agree wholeheartedly. Everything else I did...the research, followed the procedures, matched my style of music, etc. You and Rick are on the same page there. Ironically, I have achieved more radio play from stations that have proactive contacted me, rather than the other way around! Imagine that. Moroever, I think if a person can get a 5% return on sending CDs out to stations, that is pretty good, considering that some of these stations get hundreds of CDs a year, a month for some of the bigger programs like NPR's Echos. So you are right, if you can rise above the rest of the CDs by contacting them, all the better. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE] > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> How about how to get on radio stations. I think I spent a whole weekend a >> year ago sending out press packs to about 20 radio stations. It probably >> worked on two of them...not much return on investment, and I'm reluctant >> to try it again. > > Hi Kris, > > I'm sorry for your less than satisfactory experience at sending out > promos. Perhaps this will help. As a radio show host of three programs, > I'd like to tackle that one. > > Please view my tips page at . The > Indie Bible refers to this page since it's applicable across all music > genres. Believe it or not, everything on that page is secondary to this: > > Do your homework. Don't send a CD anywhere just because it's a radio > station or DJ. Make PERSONAL CONTACT first and TALK to people. Find out: > * Is your style of music is played? > * What is the policy and proper procedure for submitting music? > * Do they accept music from unsigned artists? > > It might seem like common sense and I shouldn't have to say this, but > experience tells me that I can't say this enough times or with enough > vehemence: DON'T SEND YOUR MUSIC WHERE IT DOESN'T MATCH THE STYLE OF MUSIC > PLAYED BY A STATION OR DJ. I can't tell you how much music is sent to me > in hopes of airplay that just doesn't fall anywhere close to the music > genres I play. As a result, I started a second and third program in 2002 > to allow me to play a little bit of this out-of-genre music I received. > However, most DJs won't do this. Your resources will be wasted if YOU > don't place your music properly. Sending thrash or rap music to a host of > an ambient program makes NO SENSE but it happens almost too regularly!!! > > For me, I try to get artists to contact me BEFORE they send anything so I > can send them a form letter, included below. I think that you'll find it > enlightening. Most artists are so sharply focused on making music that > they have no idea about the BUSINESS part of music. BTW, it's the music > BUSINESS, not the MUSIC business. Sad, but true. My form letter is an > attempt to convey some of my realities to artists to try and avoid them > wasting their resources on me if I can't help them. > > BTW, since looping is not a genre of music, please don't assume that you > can get airplay on my programs. But I have and do play music from list > members because some of it is appropriate to my shows. That's where the > advice "Do your homework" pays off. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ========= > All submissions are welcomed and will be seriously considered for > inclusion on future shows. Nothing can be returned. Due to the large > volume of materials received, confirmation of receipt of materials and > confirmation of airplay cannot be made. I also cannot provide comments > or an analysis of your music. Unfortunately, there isn't enough time in > the day for me to listen to everybody's mp3 files. I already have stacks > of CDs waiting to be heard. You'll have to decide for yourself if your > music fits the format of any of my shows. These are the cruel realities > I've had to face. > > To learn if your submission has been aired, you should periodically check > the Playlists or request to have them emailed to you if you don't already > see them on one of the mailing lists where I post such things. > > Remember, BEFORE YOU SEND ANYTHING, please examine my playlists to see > what I tend to play. I don't want you to waste your precious resources, > so please don't send something that I don't play (thrash, rap, or dance > music, for example). ALWAYS match what you send to a show's format or > ethos. > > Send your package to WDIY and/or WMUH and/or me. Please be sure to tell > me which address you use. Anything sent to a station will go into that > station's library for use only at that station. You must tell me if you > send to a station so I know where to look for your package. Anything sent > to me will go into my personal library for use only on my appropriate > shows at either station. Your best bet to get on the air the fastest is > to send your CDs directly to me. They get into my hands *MUCH* faster and > it gives me plenty of time to preview your music. > > === > Bill Fox > P.O. Box 632 > Nazareth, Pennsylvania 18064-0632 > USA > === > WDIY FM > 301 Broadway > Bethlehem PA 18015 > === > WMUH > Box 2806 > Muhlenberg College > Allentown, PA 18104 > === > > Please be aware that CD and CD-R in regular sized jewel cases are > considered to be the most radio-friendly formats at this time. CD > players are much easier to use than any other format. Anything that > doesn't fit into my CD travel case, which holds standard sized jewel > cases, is difficult to bring to the station. Jewel cases also provide a > spine that is large enough to see the CD artist and title when I'm trying > to find something stored with hundreds of other CDs. Any other packaging > style is likely to receive less airplay than something in a jewel case. > The most important items to include on the artwork include: > > A numbered track listing that shows the running time of each track. > A clear indication of the release's artist. > A clear indication of the release's title. > Contact information. > Want to maximize your CD's airplay? A few more tips you might want to > follow are at: > http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/tips.html > > Long tracks are not easy to excerpt unless you subdivide them into more > than one index number. A CD that has one 50 minute track is not going to > get as much airplay as multiple tracks that total 50 minutes. The tracks > can run together with continuous sound but now DJs have *easy* access to > more than just the beginning of the piece. > > All submissions are always greatly appreciated. But please do yourself a > favor and study the various sections of all my radio web sites first, then > decide if your music really fits in with the show's format. > > I play prog on two shows, eclectic mix on two shows, and EM on two shows, > spread across three shows on two radio stations in the Lehigh Valley. > Please be sure to specify in the package you send which show(s) where you > want to target your music. Your support is most appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Bill - http://soundscapes.us/bill > ========================================================================================================== > Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH Allentown > 91.7 FM. > Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever > strikes my fancy. > Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. > Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow > ========================================================================================================== > Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5) on WMUH > Allentown 91.7 FM. > Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from > "Beyond the Barriers." > Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever > strikes my fancy. > Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. > Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm > ========================================================================================================== > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, > Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5) > on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown > and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml > ========================================================================================================== > Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly > to: > http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm > ========================================================================================================== > Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the > REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: > rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm > ========================================================================================================== > The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of > Progressive Rock programs. Tired of > joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? > The progdj list solves that problem. > > The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD > and concert reviews by DJs of > progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing > playlists can join. There is NO > SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint > of it. > > The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label > personnel, promoters, managers, and > anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to > find who is playing prog on the > radio? Go to the progdj list. > > To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click > on the [Join This Group!] link. > ========================================================================================================== > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 01:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6923E3BEE0; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b001c61a3e$bcc8f960$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001801c6199d$803eb170$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000b01c61a13$15f6bb70$6401a8c0@charles2> Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:46:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C61A04.0F588A50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *****: 5.747000 Content: cid=309(2.0) cid=195(1.0) =3.0,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Contains a URL in the BIZ top-level domain=0.7 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhart) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 441, in=196710, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:47:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C61A04.0F588A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Winters=20 > Bravo, Kris: I listened in for most of it. That live audio = capability from a remote location is really cool. I presume you used = the coffeehouse wi-fi connection to the Shoutcast hosting service. = You'll have to share with us a simple explanation of what you had to do = technically to get connected to Shoutcast. For the listener, it all = ends up at a special web page with a link to winamp or iTunes software = if you need it. Simple, quick and effective. Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, I used the coffehouse WI-FI and Shoutcast. = Funny you should ask about the guidelines on how to do this. I posted = something a while back on LD, but it wasn't that complete. I recently = wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I have just posted here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/webcast.htm > If I understand it correctly, this means any of you live loopers who = use a laptop in your act can do the same. I'm going to try to broadcast = John's performances that amount to 1 hour or more. It might take a = while, but I'm sure he'll go for it and I encourage the rest of you to = find something similar and start broadcasting your shows to the planet. = - CW You are right, with a laptop, WI-FI at the venue, and $9 a month, just = about anyone can stream their performances to the web. I wish more = people in this list did this. I would definitely be listening in! =20 > Some observations about the music and the listening experience: > I tuned in about 7:25 PST. I listened in for the next 90 min or so, = while I did some work on my home computer.=20 Sound quality of the music was excellent, I couldn't quite hear the = voices in the crowd=20 The music styles varied from ambient and industrial to something more = lively almost techno with regular beats and jazzy progressions. = Naturally, I prefer the more lively pieces.=20 The performing was top notch, with very few errors, about what you'd = expect with the best I've heard. You have nothing to apologize for in = that dept.=20 Thank you. That means a lot to me. I don't feel so bad now. :) > I especially liked a lively piece that started about 7:32 and ended = about 7:45. World class, IMO.=20 I wish I knew which song that was. I'll post the recordings, and maybe = you can tell me. =20 > The synchronization between you and the drummer was off more than you = probably prefer, oh well.=20 Yup, I noticed that too...it bugged me. It is a challenge looping with = percussionists who don't loop themselves, also a challenges looping with = me, because amost all of my grooves are in odd time signatures, like = 13/8, 7/8, 11/8, etc. I improvise them that way...that's just how my = mind thinks now when I loop rhythmically. Odd, no pun intended! > There was a microphone somewhere picking up crowd voices, including = yours, in-between numbers. Unfortunately, the volume was very low and = you couldn't quite follow the conversations. That would have been = interesting, since most of it was dialog between you or the drummer and = various fans in the audience. Maybe there is a way to enhance that part = of the show with a wireless lapel mic. That's true. It was Vinnie's percussion microphones. Now that you = mention it, mabye I'll add an ambient mic in the venues I play from now = on. Good observation! =20 > FYI: John's music is at http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm Excellent stuff. I recommend everyone check this out. Kris =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! I saw a handful of people on my webstream tonight. Thank you to anyone = on the list that was listening in. However, I have to apologize for = such an unbelievably atrocious performance. [sigh] I would be surprised = if 10% of that 2 hour gig was worth listening to now. I tried a lot of = stupid things that completely botched my groove and attitude...like = putting heavy gauge strings on my acoustic and tuning it down a whole = third - low string to C. What a freakin' nightmare....feedback, = uncontrollable low end, weird overtones, etc, etc. It sounded good = through headphones and with just the acoustic with nothing else....not = so good through the PA without having tested it first.. And then I = discovered with 15 minutes left of the night that my soundcard was = configured incorrectly, and I was getting a pass-through signal on all = of my VST effects. So nothing sounded like it was supposed to sound. = There were a few moments were we got really experimental and it was = fun...but they were fleeting. Kris snip ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C61A04.0F588A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
From: = Charles=20 Winters

> Bravo, Kris:  I listened in for most of = it.  That=20 live audio capability from a remote location is really cool.  I = presume you=20 used the coffeehouse wi-fi connection to the Shoutcast hosting = service. =20 You=92ll have to share with us a simple explanation of what you had to = do=20 technically to get connected to Shoutcast.  For the listener, it = all ends=20 up at a special web page with a link to winamp or iTunes software if you = need=20 it.  Simple, quick and effective.

Thanks, Charles. Yes, = indeed, I=20 used the coffehouse WI-FI and Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the=20 guidelines on how to do this. I posted something a while back on LD, but = it=20 wasn't that complete. I recently wrote up some more detailed = instructions, which=20 I have just posted here:  http://www.krispenhart= ung.com/webcast.htm

> If I understand it correctly, this means any of you live = loopers=20 who use a laptop in your act can do the same.  I=92m going to try = to=20 broadcast John=92s performances that amount to 1 hour or more.  It = might take=20 a while, but I=92m sure he=92ll go for it and I encourage the rest of = you to find=20 something similar and start broadcasting your shows to the planet. -=20 CW

You are right, with a laptop, WI-FI at the venue, and $9 a = month, just=20 about anyone can stream their performances to the web. I wish more = people in=20 this list did this. I would definitely be listening = in!
 
> Some=20 observations about the music and the listening experience:

> I tuned in about 7:25 PST.  I listened in for the = next 90 min=20 or so, while I did some work on my home computer.
Sound quality of = the music=20 was excellent, I couldn=92t quite hear the voices in the crowd
The = music=20 styles varied from ambient and industrial to something more lively = almost techno=20 with regular beats and jazzy progressions.  Naturally, I prefer the = more=20 lively pieces.
The performing was top notch, with very few errors, = about=20 what you=92d expect with the best I=92ve heard.  You have nothing = to apologize=20 for in that dept.
 
Thank you. That means a lot to me. I don't feel so bad now. = :)

> I especially liked a lively piece that started about 7:32 = and=20 ended about 7:45.  World class, IMO.
 
I wish I knew which song that was. I'll post the recordings, and = maybe you=20 can tell me. 

> The synchronization between you and the drummer was off = more than=20 you probably prefer, oh well.
 
Yup, I noticed that too...it bugged me. It is a challenge looping = with=20 percussionists who don't loop themselves, also a challenges looping with = me,=20 because amost all of my grooves are in odd time signatures, like 13/8, = 7/8,=20 11/8, etc. I improvise them that way...that's just how my mind thinks = now when I=20 loop rhythmically. Odd, no pun intended!
 
> There was a microphone somewhere picking up crowd voices, = including=20 yours, in-between numbers.  Unfortunately, the volume was very low = and you=20 couldn=92t quite follow the conversations.  That would have been = interesting,=20 since most of it was dialog between you or the drummer and various fans = in the=20 audience.  Maybe there is a way to enhance that part of the show = with a=20 wireless lapel mic.
 
That's true. It was Vinnie's percussion microphones. Now that = you=20 mention it, mabye I'll add an ambient mic in the venues I play from = now on.=20 Good observation!
 
> FYI:  John=92s music is at http://www.johnwinters.biz= /listen.htm
 
Excellent stuff. I recommend everyone check this out.
 
Kris

 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: = Saturday,=20 January 14, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance = Streamed to=20 Web Tonight!


I saw a handful of people on my webstream = tonight. Thank=20 you to anyone on the list that was listening in.  However, I have = to=20 apologize for such an unbelievably atrocious performance. [sigh]  I = would=20 be surprised if 10% of that 2 hour gig was worth listening to now. I = tried a lot=20 of stupid things that completely botched my groove and attitude...like = putting=20 heavy gauge strings on my acoustic and tuning it down a whole third - = low string=20 to C. What a freakin' nightmare....feedback, uncontrollable low end, = weird=20 overtones, etc, etc. It sounded good through headphones and with just = the=20 acoustic with nothing else....not so good through the PA without having = tested=20 it first.. And then I discovered with 15 minutes left of the night that = my=20 soundcard was configured incorrectly, and I was getting a pass-through = signal on=20 all of my VST effects. So nothing sounded like it was supposed to sound. = There=20 were a few moments were we got really experimental and it was fun...but = they=20 were fleeting.

Kris

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------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C61A04.0F588A50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 01:59:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2625D3BED5; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00db01c61a40$8b8ed2a0$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001801c6199d$803eb170$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000b01c61a13$15f6bb70$6401a8c0@charles2> <00b001c61a3e$bcc8f960$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:59:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C61A05.DE22F770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhart) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 443, in=201445, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:59:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C61A05.DE22F770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you give me a few days, I'll add screen shots to the URL below, which = will make it easier to view the settings, etc. Kris >Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, I used the coffehouse WI-FI and = Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the guidelines on how to do this. = I posted something a while back on LD, but it wasn't that complete. I = recently wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I have just = posted here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/webcast.htm ------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C61A05.DE22F770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you give me a few days, I'll = add screen=20 shots to the URL below, which will make it easier to view the settings,=20 etc.
 
Kris
 

>Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, I = used the=20 coffehouse WI-FI and Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the = guidelines on how=20 to do this. I posted something a while back on LD, but it wasn't that = complete.=20 I recently wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I have just = posted=20 here:  http://www.krispenhart= ung.com/webcast.htm
 
------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C61A05.DE22F770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 02:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D0AE3BEE7; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TzUhx7EgENofc4NXY5WRlT9Re8Kic2JqoWyiSuihvSaGM3pSrBA+TLJUX6ZieQPU; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:46:11 -0800 Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting...ImogenHeap++++ From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd484de3f40d90cf6ebae47f59843419fd8d3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.4.7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:47:41 +0000 (UTC) in the nytimes 'pop music review' for 1/13/05 from the Avalon 'With her Synthesizer, She Mesmerizes' this part is after my own heart: ...But when Ms. Heap left the acoustic world behind for her synthesizer bank, strung as it was w/ plastic flowers and christmas lights, she was mesmerizing. Despite serious technical glitches that plagued her thru out the show (the audience got to know her technician by name), songs like the acrobatic "loose ends" and "headlock", the latter rounded out by the cello of her opener, ZoeKeating, allowed her to dispense w/ schtick and enjoy the play of her ominously breathy, intermittently percussive voice against her lush soundscapes..." - Laura Sinagra too bad Zoe cant bring her along to Y2K6-that would ROOL... on 1/11/06 6:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > yup.... > ...she'll be on tonight though... > > On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: > >> Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >> idiotic >> skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >> hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >> breakaleg >> seeya >> staninsanfran >> >> >> >> on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >> >>> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to opening >>> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >>> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, she's on >>> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >>> Come see us! >>> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >>> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >>> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >>> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >>> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >>> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >>> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >>> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >>> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >>> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >>> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >>> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >>> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 03:53:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55073BEF0; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents I Have Eaten The City Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:53:41 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c61a50$7093ad30$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Please note that due to a family emergency, Building Castles Out=20 Of Matchsticks has had to postpone their performance at this=20 week's PiNG until a later date. Keep an eye on our future schedule=20 for the return of Building Castles Out Of Matchsticks to the PiNG. http://www.theambientping.com/eventsall.html#FUTURE=20 Thanks to I Have Eaten The City who will fill the night with=20 two sets of improv instead. =20 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto=20 (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan=20 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 This Tuesday January 17th =B7 I Have Eaten The City=20 (Colin Fisher, Nick Storing and Brandon Valdivia)=20 I Have Eaten The City formed in May of 2005. Comprising of Colin=20 Fisher (guitar/ sax), Nick Storring (cello/ computer/ electronics)=20 and Brandon Valdivia (drums/ percussion), they fuse free-jazz,=20 contemporary classical, psychedelia, and various strains of=20 abstract electronica. Sonic reference points include Faust,=20 Alice Coltrane, electric Miles Davis, Supersilent, Mephista,=20 Kaija Saariaho, Wolf Eyes, early Tangerine Dream,=20 and Black Dice. The group's unique sound recently provided the backdrop for=20 former Can vocalist, Damo Suzuki for an acclaimed performance=20 at the Starlight Club in Waterloo. Following that the trio played=20 the 416 Creative Improviser's Festival. Individually each member works in a variety of different contexts:=20 Nick and Brandon both play in indie-rock group Picastro and with=20 in the mutant cabaret troupe Dan Fournier and the Pill. Both are=20 graduates of Wilfrid Laurier University's composition program. Nick=20 currently composes for theatre and interdisciplinary projects and=20 records electronic music under his own name and as Pi=E8ge.=20 Brandon performs marimba in Red Sky, a theatre& music production=20 focusing on First Nations mythology, in a Javanese gamelan and=20 in improvising duo with Kyle Brenders. Colin plays math-rock/=20 improv/ prog/ post-hardcore group Sing That Yell That Spell,=20 avant-jazz group Chronic D. He was a member of Abstract with=20 Maury Coles, with which he recorded with Joe McPee. He also=20 played sax on the Constantines' "Shine A Light." The group are proud members of the Association of Improvising=20 Musicians, Toronto. http://www.myspace.com/aimtoronto http://www.myspace.com/ihaveeatenthecity Colin - http://www.geocities.com/albertaylerlovesyou/colinfisher.html Brandon - http://www.myspace.com/brandonvaldivia Nick - http://www.nickstorring.com =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 Before Sets CD =B7 Subduction Current by Subduction Current=20 Coming to the PiNG for the Sweetheart Sessions on Feb. 14th,=20 this is the premiere release by synth/guitar duo Catharine Tammaro=20 and Phil Ogison from our friends at Worthy Records. http://www.worthyrecords.com/releases.html Between Sets CD =B7 Borders and Barrens by Lammergeyer=20 This week we feature a side project from Anthony Paul Kerby=20 of The Circular Ruins. Read about it here in rik's *ping things*=20 CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.databloem.com/z_lammergeyer.htm =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 Coming Tuesday January 24th =B7 Reflectiostack and Worma Reflectiostack's new album, "Music for Torching", explores what=20 seems to be rapidly becoming a new genre: folktronica, post-folk,=20 or whatever else you'd like to call it. "The Stack" blend=20 electronica with rhythmic guitars, moody violins, and haunting=20 vocals; the result of a decade of musical exploration. In a live=20 context, these core elements are expanded through the addition=20 of bass, synth, pedals, and a sampler/sequencer. Reflectiostack's=20 'AMBiENT PiNG' set will showcase songs from "Music for Torching",=20 as well as some new material that delves further into the creation=20 of dynamic soundscapes. http://www.reflectiostack.com Worma's soothing rhythms will transport your thoughts to distant=20 dimensions. Her tranquil, yet dynamic melodies both soothe=20 and arouse the savage breast.=20 Prepare to be entranced. http://www.worma.com =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Borders and Barrens" by Lammergeyer (a side project from Anthony=20 Paul Kerby of The Circular Ruins) is a lush and beautiful collection=20 of work evoking new atmospheres and spaces. A fine example of=20 the wonders of environmental ambience, "Borders and Barrens" is an excellent disc sure to inspire the imagination and the senses. The disc opens with the sonically rich "Where the Sea Ends", a=20 lovely track where tones rise and fall like the tides while voices=20 play in the background overtop a drone that evokes fluid images=20 of the ocean. "Leaving the Dark Earth" follows, a cascading drift of sounds that vibrate and oscillate lightly, gently. There's a=20 sense of tragedy to this track, a feeling of loss and sacrifice,=20 a sadness that informs it's sound. Track three, "The Blue Path",=20 features a percolating synth line and sweeping pads that slowly=20 move the piece forward. It's a brighter track than the last,=20 something a little more hopeful that balances the previous=20 darkness. "Promise" follows, a subtle track where a steady drone plays underneath a building phrase, tones drifting=20 through the song, gaining in strength only long enough to=20 be noticed and then disappearing into the ether. The sound=20 of wind opens "Rainflower", a fine example of environmental=20 ambience bringing to mind thoughts of lush green mountainsides=20 and light showers. Track six, "Genesis", pulses with the sound=20 of primal geothermal forces, a feeling of magma flowing deep=20 beneath the earth's core. Very beautiful and very powerful.=20 "We All Fall Down" is up next, a steadily growing drone=20 rising to the fore overtop distant garbled voices while deep=20 analog tones burble and tease. It's a beautifully enigmatic=20 track, something mysterious and curious, a track to inspire the imagination. "In Praise of Darkness" is a shorter piece, a lovely=20 but brief dance along the edge of a field of stars and other=20 heavenly bodies. "Absence" uses backwards loops to create an=20 otherworldly environment, a landscape more akin to the moon=20 than the earth. "Everything That Lives" is a slight glimpse into=20 an alien culture, leading into the longer "Night Flight", a track=20 that brings to mind the sound of traveling through the cosmos, fully capturing both the danger and wonder inherent in that kind=20 of journey. "Gyroscope" closes the disc, synth lines bubbling=20 around each other, a deep blending of sounds and shapes.=20 A lovely way to end. Without doubt "Borders and Barrens" is a lovely example of how=20 music and sound can transport the listener to new terrains and=20 environments, creating atmospheres we may already be familiar=20 with as well as others that we've never seen before. Kerby's=20 mastery of the genre is clearly evident with this release, and=20 one can only hope that the artistry found in "Borders and Barrens"=20 will win him an even larger audience to enjoy his work.=20 Highly recommended. "Borders and Barrens" by Lammergeyer is available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/LAMMERGEYERborders.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things=20 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Tuesday, January 17 =B7 New Adventures in Sound Art and CKLN FM=20 (Toronto) are taking part for the first time in the annual Art's=20 Birthday Celebration - Broadcast Live on CKLN Radio=20 ( http://www.ckln.fm ) from 3 to 7 pm (Toronto time) Connecting with Kunstradio in Austria ( http://www.kunstradio.at ),=20 Western Front in Vancouver ( http://www.front.bc.ca ),=20 and the Ars Acustica group in the Czech Republic=20 ( http://www.rozhlas.cz/radiocustica/portal/ ). Featuring performance art, live electronic sound art, and live in-studio performances by Paul Dutton, Dave Dyment, Johanna Householder, Richard Windeyer, E. C. Woodley, Anna Friz, David=20 Ogborn, Barry Prophet, Rose Bolton, Catherine Thompson,=20 Matt Rogalsky, and many more. =20 * Thursday, January 19th =B7 Improvisors' Pool Ralph Thornton Centre, 765 Queen Street East East of Broadview and west of De Grassi 7:00-9:00 * Friday, January 20th =B7 SCHEMA FACTOR with guest vocalist=20 madame HAIR and with STRANGE AS ANGELS and PULSE PLANT Smiling Buddha Bar, 961 College St., Toronto 9 PM until "late" no cover=20 * Friday, January 20th =B7 OPEN HART CONCERT SERIES Live in Concert: CCMC and MAZINANI/VORVIS CCMC (Paul Dutton =96 oralizations; John Oswald =96 alto sax;=20 Michael Snow =96 piano, synthesizer)=20 MAZINANI/VORVIS (Mani Mazinani =96 piano; Jack Vorvis - drums) Music Room , Hart House, 7 Hart House Circle, University of Toronto = (MAP) 8:00pm FREE, all are welcome. * Friday, January 20th =B7 Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i - Lerner / Lutek w/ marilyn lerner - piano, peter lutek - bari-sax ii - Campbell / Keith / Sait / Sorbara w/ rod campbell - trumpet,=20 michael keith - guitar, david sait - guzheng, joe sorbara - drums iii - Obradek + Paul Newman w/ jim bailey - amplified objects,=20 michaelangelo iaffaldano - clarinet/guitar, andy yue - piano,=20 paul newman - tenor sax 9:00pm ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 218 $10/6 * Friday January 20th =B7 The Ryan Driver Quartet Ryan Driver - piano, human voice, Martin Arnold - vox invader, Rob Clutton - bass, Jake Oelrichs - drums 10:00pm at GRAFFITI'S PWYC * Sunday, January 22nd =B7 AIMToronto and the NOW Lounge=20 present the NOW SERIES creative jazz and improvised=20 music series. The NOW Series will be held every Sunday=20 afternoon from 4-7pm at the Now Lounge, 189 Church St=20 with a $6 cover charge.=20 This week curated by Paul Newman 4:00 - Geordie Haley Trio w/ geordie haley - guitar, nick=20 fraser - drums, scott thomson - trombone 5:00- Hansen / Krakowiak w/ mike hansen - turntables,=20 tomasz krakowiak - amplified objects 6:00 - Clutton / Driver / Michelli w/ rob clutton - bass,=20 ryan driver - synth, anthony michelli - drums * Monday, January 23rd =B7 Coexistence Series #3 A monthly series of duet collaborations, this month featuring: Victor Bateman - double bass and Colin Anthony - piano 7:30pm Tranzac Club =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 = =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7 =B7=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 04:48:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40B6E3BEEA; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:48:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYaPsOvyGUVV/roRS60qt/SlgqVSgAFuggA In-Reply-To: <00b001c61a3e$bcc8f960$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EyMIK37f9-0003eB@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:48:43 +0000 (UTC) I was playing around with the Spectrasonics StylusRMX program- what very cool percussion loops! In Mackie's Tracktion, I was able to sync up StylyRMX to my EDP, which was way cool. It has one big shortcoming (I think). I think the only way to record these loops (EDP + Stylus combined) is to first set up a rhythm pattern in StylusRMX, drag the midi file over to a track in the sequencer, hit record on the sequencer, let the EDP sync up, and begin building rhythmic loops. Problem with this, is that you'd have to pre-plan what measure these StylusRMX loops are in, as there is no way to, say, record some free improv looping on the EDP, then start Stylus, have the EDP sync up, and record the whole thing. I thought about just inserting the midi files at measure 500 or so, which would allow me a few minutes of free looping before the drums kick in. But this does 2 things...it forces me to choose a tempo for the loops, and it forces me to choose beforehand how many measures the drums will continue for. Also, since this is my first foray into midi sync, I have a question: If I have an existing loop, say, 13 seconds, and the EDP gets a sync signal, it should truncate the loop to fit the new tempo, right? Because this isn't happening. If I start with an empty loop, the EDP finds the sync pulse, and syncs (2.6 secs at 90bpm), and then I can add bass lines, etc and everything is perfect. But if I have an existing loop, it keeps on playing and ignores any sync pulse. Yes, the sequencer starts, but the EDP keeps playing without lining up the loop...maybe I don't quite have this understood yet. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From hines@kstp.com Mon Jan 16 05:12:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 203-70-244-22.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw (203-70-244-22.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw [203.70.244.22]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6669C3BEC2; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([203.70.244.22]) by yahoo.com (Sendmail 8.7.1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYT71666 for <3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:12:01 -0600 Message-ID: <975g421x.9028896@yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=bible; d=yahoo.com; b=ZcV22wEA9iIrRH9UcCwyuhpYlyLZITOGKOjqNGSbk6kZohmn3iRkQcbDc455qEZ2mFeo3nZR4BbKZ02R; X-Display: Full X-List: employer.usenet Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:12:01 -0600 From: "Bianca Henson" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lowest rate approved Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_91994179==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_91994179==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 06:47:33 +0000 (UTC) > This sent coffee thru my nose > we must create a "Unsubscribe museum" ROFL -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 07:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95A93BEE7; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5OulRbtNLZHgX3v/cDQ5rUKETWBfJnefA/nNr7ZfwpnG+jnj3U5Lxu8IEXbx4pv7UsEN9jV16Rpyz2mfDrBRvw9c5GETkAKuK8t7f6LaB7RQLaoEYJ46waVnrEsFv5DcXyc5qPOxWekVBhpTKe2ygnNS8ISG+qQc22SMA7LDNUk= ; Message-ID: <20060116073835.67722.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:38:35 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0b3301c617e7$15584b30$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, Can u tell me how to quickly dump all the presets from the master EDP to the slave? thanx Luis --- Kris Hartung wrote: > I use two EDPs in true stereo. We've had this > discussion before on the list, > and playing in stereo is less important to some than > others, but for me it > is essential to my "current" sound, given all the > stereo imaging I use with > my laptop VST effects. I'm also an addict of lush > stereo chorus and stereo > delay where the left side is lightly longer than the > right. > > In any event, I have had no troubles with my setup, > except initially when > trying to figure out how to get the two EDPs to sync > up and prevent signal > drift. When you get to that point, send me an email > and I'll send you the > list of parameters. > > I run from my into my Boss VF1 from my guitar, out > of the VF1 in stereo, > into my laptop in stereo, out of the laptop in > stereo, into my Mackie mixer > board (two channels panned left and right), and then > I run out of the > mixer's BUSS 1 into the input of one EDP, and out of > BUSS 2 into the input > of the other EDP....then out of the two EDPs into > two channels of the board, > panned left and right. This way, when multiple > people or instruments are > plugged into my board, I can simply press the buss > 1/2 button on their > channel and loop them in my mix. I run an Lexicon > LXP1 in my mixer's AUX 1 > channel, and back into a stereo channel of the board > for a nice reverb on > everything. > > I think the results are especially noticeable and > fun when you are recording > off the board....then the stereo imaging really pops > out, if you are using > effects that to tricks in stereo. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Montgomery" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:58 PM > Subject: 2nd EDP+ for stereo > > > > Hi all, I currently take the output from my lone > EDP+ and send it through > > an Alesis Microverb III to get some pseudo-stereo > separation. I'm > > considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process my > loops in true stereo. I > > was wondering if any players who have taken this > step can comment on their > > experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? Did > it really make a > > difference in your playing fun? Any technical > problems? etc... > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 09:12:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFAD53BEE6; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EyMIK37f9-0003eB@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp2t-1EyMIK37f9-0003eB@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <00E7A0C0-14B2-45EE-B001-23C8FFC0638E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:11:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:12:03 +0000 (UTC) On 16 jan 2006, at 05.48, hazard factor wrote: > Problem with this, is that you'd have to pre-plan what measure these > StylusRMX loops are in, as there is no way to, say, record some > free improv > looping on the EDP, then start Stylus, have the EDP sync up, and > record the > whole thing. You should really try doing it the other way around: Playing the EDP and sync RMX to the EDP MIDI Clock. I guess you would not want to go back if you tried it ;-) Also, by using MIDI sequences you limit the RMX quite a lot. Try to run it in MIDI Mode "Groove" (instead of "Slice") and map some MIDI faders, pedals or whatever to critical RMX function. That way you can "play" it in realtime as you loop with the EDP. > But if I have an existing loop, it keeps on playing and ignores > any sync pulse. Yes, the sequencer starts, but the EDP keeps > playing without > lining up the loop...maybe I don't quite have this understood yet. Of course! You are running the EDP as he sync slave and it can not change an already recorded loop. What I do in such a situation is to record a new loop with the action Record-->Record (sometimes Multiply-->Record). This will tell the EDP the new tempo and it will then stay in sync. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 12:52:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC6443BEE2; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c61a9b$abb31090$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: NAMM LUNCHEON time change Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:52:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:52:14 +0000 (UTC) The Annual Loopers Delight Luncheon at NAMM will be held this coming SATURDAY, JANUARY 21st at NOON in the Cafe Del Sol restaurant on the ground floor of the Anaheim Marriott. Looking straight out from the Convention Center down Convention Center Way it's the big one close by on the right. The cafe is on the ground floor towards the back. We've changed the time from 11:30 so that we can accomodate a visit from Francois LeBrun, a fellow looper coming all the way from Paris, France. Please spread the word and come join me and Kim Flint and Bill Walker and Francois and........and.............and................ See you there, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 13:00:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35FE33BEEC; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c61a9c$d867a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:00:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:00:38 +0000 (UTC) I'll be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at booth 1857 in HALL E at the NAMM show this coming weekend. My performance times will be at 1,3,5 on Friday 2,3,5 on Saturday (note time change to accomodate the 12 Noon Loopers Luncheon on Saturday at the Marriot---Cafe Del Sol on ground floor) 1,3 on Sunday UK bassist, Steve Lawson will also be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at the booth. Check there to find out his performance times which are not set yet. My brother Bill Walker will also be performing with me at the LOOPERLATIVE booth as well. ************* OTHER NAMM LOOPER NEWS: Also, a very talented live looper and also a very innovative and influential East Coast beat boxer, Terry Lewis, aka KID LUCKY will be performing at the SAMSON booth (and may stop buy to join me at one of the LOOPERLATIVE demos). Those of you who aren't familiar with Kid Lucky should check out www.beatboxing.com I had the great privilige of performing on the same bill with Kid Lucky (as well as Kid Beyond, our other famous looping beatboxer of Ableton Live fame) at the CD release performance of my all vocal CD, Faux Voix a couple of years back. He's just fantastic and has a very innovative manipulation of not only his own beatboxing but also triggered video imagery as well. Check him out and be prepared to be amazed. AND BOSS and ELECTRO HARMONIX are also slated to show new live looping products at NAMM this year. It's going to be an excellent year for hardware and software live looping gear this year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 14:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735723BEEC; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012901c61aaa$49f4a490$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060116073835.67722.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:36:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.250000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 442, in=196907, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:36:55 +0000 (UTC) I didn't dump them, rather I just programmed one and other one followed along because of the MIDI connection between the two. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:38 AM Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo > Hey Kris, > Can u tell me how to quickly dump all the presets from > the master EDP to the slave? > thanx > Luis > > --- Kris Hartung wrote: > >> I use two EDPs in true stereo. We've had this >> discussion before on the list, >> and playing in stereo is less important to some than >> others, but for me it >> is essential to my "current" sound, given all the >> stereo imaging I use with >> my laptop VST effects. I'm also an addict of lush >> stereo chorus and stereo >> delay where the left side is lightly longer than the >> right. >> >> In any event, I have had no troubles with my setup, >> except initially when >> trying to figure out how to get the two EDPs to sync >> up and prevent signal >> drift. When you get to that point, send me an email >> and I'll send you the >> list of parameters. >> >> I run from my into my Boss VF1 from my guitar, out >> of the VF1 in stereo, >> into my laptop in stereo, out of the laptop in >> stereo, into my Mackie mixer >> board (two channels panned left and right), and then >> I run out of the >> mixer's BUSS 1 into the input of one EDP, and out of >> BUSS 2 into the input >> of the other EDP....then out of the two EDPs into >> two channels of the board, >> panned left and right. This way, when multiple >> people or instruments are >> plugged into my board, I can simply press the buss >> 1/2 button on their >> channel and loop them in my mix. I run an Lexicon >> LXP1 in my mixer's AUX 1 >> channel, and back into a stereo channel of the board >> for a nice reverb on >> everything. >> >> I think the results are especially noticeable and >> fun when you are recording >> off the board....then the stereo imaging really pops >> out, if you are using >> effects that to tricks in stereo. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Montgomery" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:58 PM >> Subject: 2nd EDP+ for stereo >> >> >> > Hi all, I currently take the output from my lone >> EDP+ and send it through >> > an Alesis Microverb III to get some pseudo-stereo >> separation. I'm >> > considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process my >> loops in true stereo. I >> > was wondering if any players who have taken this >> step can comment on their >> > experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? Did >> it really make a >> > difference in your playing fun? Any technical >> problems? etc... >> > >> > Dennis >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 15:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F10D3BEE4; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <09f901c61845$86ff34c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:47:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2006 15:47:09.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C381230:01C61AB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:47:11 +0000 (UTC) best description of looping hardware that I've ever seen: "They come in all colors, most are a rectangular shape, and most have at least one knob or button that no one knows how to use." http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156535 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 16:19:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 663483BEE2; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xJ+i2HzKit8cGjk5Gx3wxCxiHKd1K+voX9FJzFOlOuu571vsB8y3aESfdDVAKrr7/F4DCAt0W1w7eWPoP7YzxJEH+d4tzceHmlAmA0BuInWSDF2tcO5FbO2HdlHoIELBfq8vJrXhjONQ31pSFPQBXqURytNw5asS/3OWlsp9h3A= ; Message-ID: <20060116161919.83459.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012901c61aaa$49f4a490$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) ok,so far so good except when i do a lot of replace they drifted at times out of sync, has that happen to you yet? --- Kris Hartung wrote: > I didn't dump them, rather I just programmed one and > other one followed > along because of the MIDI connection between the > two. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo > > > > Hey Kris, > > Can u tell me how to quickly dump all the presets > from > > the master EDP to the slave? > > thanx > > Luis > > > > --- Kris Hartung wrote: > > > >> I use two EDPs in true stereo. We've had this > >> discussion before on the list, > >> and playing in stereo is less important to some > than > >> others, but for me it > >> is essential to my "current" sound, given all the > >> stereo imaging I use with > >> my laptop VST effects. I'm also an addict of lush > >> stereo chorus and stereo > >> delay where the left side is lightly longer than > the > >> right. > >> > >> In any event, I have had no troubles with my > setup, > >> except initially when > >> trying to figure out how to get the two EDPs to > sync > >> up and prevent signal > >> drift. When you get to that point, send me an > email > >> and I'll send you the > >> list of parameters. > >> > >> I run from my into my Boss VF1 from my guitar, > out > >> of the VF1 in stereo, > >> into my laptop in stereo, out of the laptop in > >> stereo, into my Mackie mixer > >> board (two channels panned left and right), and > then > >> I run out of the > >> mixer's BUSS 1 into the input of one EDP, and out > of > >> BUSS 2 into the input > >> of the other EDP....then out of the two EDPs into > >> two channels of the board, > >> panned left and right. This way, when multiple > >> people or instruments are > >> plugged into my board, I can simply press the > buss > >> 1/2 button on their > >> channel and loop them in my mix. I run an Lexicon > >> LXP1 in my mixer's AUX 1 > >> channel, and back into a stereo channel of the > board > >> for a nice reverb on > >> everything. > >> > >> I think the results are especially noticeable and > >> fun when you are recording > >> off the board....then the stereo imaging really > pops > >> out, if you are using > >> effects that to tricks in stereo. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dennis Montgomery" > > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:58 PM > >> Subject: 2nd EDP+ for stereo > >> > >> > >> > Hi all, I currently take the output from my > lone > >> EDP+ and send it through > >> > an Alesis Microverb III to get some > pseudo-stereo > >> separation. I'm > >> > considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process > my > >> loops in true stereo. I > >> > was wondering if any players who have taken > this > >> step can comment on their > >> > experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? > Did > >> it really make a > >> > difference in your playing fun? Any technical > >> problems? etc... > >> > > >> > Dennis > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 17:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BBD3BEF1; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c401c61ac6$28c42db0$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060116161919.83459.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:56:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.250000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 107, in=63565, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-Ej9u.A.YHD.I59yDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:56:24 +0000 (UTC) From: "Luis Angulo" > ok,so far so good except when i do a lot of replace > they drifted at times out of sync, has that happen to > you yet? It did when I first bought the units as they were not set correctly. Below are the settings that I discovered were critical parameters to sync the two units: MIDI ControlSource=Ctr (FIRST CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL.could be "not" as well) Timing Sync=OUT (SECOND CRITICAL SETTING, AS STATED IN MANUAL) Threshold=0 (THIRD CRITICAL SETTING, NOT IN MANUAL...NEEDS TO BE SET TO 0) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo > ok,so far so good except when i do a lot of replace > they drifted at times out of sync, has that happen to > you yet? > > --- Kris Hartung wrote: > >> I didn't dump them, rather I just programmed one and >> other one followed >> along because of the MIDI connection between the >> two. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Luis Angulo" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:38 AM >> Subject: Re: 2nd EDP+ for stereo >> >> >> > Hey Kris, >> > Can u tell me how to quickly dump all the presets >> from >> > the master EDP to the slave? >> > thanx >> > Luis >> > >> > --- Kris Hartung wrote: >> > >> >> I use two EDPs in true stereo. We've had this >> >> discussion before on the list, >> >> and playing in stereo is less important to some >> than >> >> others, but for me it >> >> is essential to my "current" sound, given all the >> >> stereo imaging I use with >> >> my laptop VST effects. I'm also an addict of lush >> >> stereo chorus and stereo >> >> delay where the left side is lightly longer than >> the >> >> right. >> >> >> >> In any event, I have had no troubles with my >> setup, >> >> except initially when >> >> trying to figure out how to get the two EDPs to >> sync >> >> up and prevent signal >> >> drift. When you get to that point, send me an >> email >> >> and I'll send you the >> >> list of parameters. >> >> >> >> I run from my into my Boss VF1 from my guitar, >> out >> >> of the VF1 in stereo, >> >> into my laptop in stereo, out of the laptop in >> >> stereo, into my Mackie mixer >> >> board (two channels panned left and right), and >> then >> >> I run out of the >> >> mixer's BUSS 1 into the input of one EDP, and out >> of >> >> BUSS 2 into the input >> >> of the other EDP....then out of the two EDPs into >> >> two channels of the board, >> >> panned left and right. This way, when multiple >> >> people or instruments are >> >> plugged into my board, I can simply press the >> buss >> >> 1/2 button on their >> >> channel and loop them in my mix. I run an Lexicon >> >> LXP1 in my mixer's AUX 1 >> >> channel, and back into a stereo channel of the >> board >> >> for a nice reverb on >> >> everything. >> >> >> >> I think the results are especially noticeable and >> >> fun when you are recording >> >> off the board....then the stereo imaging really >> pops >> >> out, if you are using >> >> effects that to tricks in stereo. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Dennis Montgomery" >> >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:58 PM >> >> Subject: 2nd EDP+ for stereo >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi all, I currently take the output from my >> lone >> >> EDP+ and send it through >> >> > an Alesis Microverb III to get some >> pseudo-stereo >> >> separation. I'm >> >> > considering adding a 2nd EDP+ so I can process >> my >> >> loops in true stereo. I >> >> > was wondering if any players who have taken >> this >> >> step can comment on their >> >> > experience of using a 2 EDP+ stereo system? >> Did >> >> it really make a >> >> > difference in your playing fun? Any technical >> >> problems? etc... >> >> > >> >> > Dennis >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > www.luis-angulo.com >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 18:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEFC03BEF3; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: fun video Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:18:34 +0100 Message-ID: <00b501c61ac9$43f24f60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYayUM24gULYM28TpGymro8FtChgQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:18:45 +0000 (UTC) http://tinyurl.com/bvws5 wish I could be this entertaining while playing loops. the audience would love it. -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 19:21:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3F483BEEE; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <00b501c61ac9$43f24f60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <00b501c61ac9$43f24f60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <505C3AD2-323E-41B5-A344-589587CDB14C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fun video Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:21:57 +0000 (UTC) On 16 jan 2006, at 19.18, Michael Peters wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/bvws5 Cool backdrop! ;-) per From root@mail.blizzard-media.com Mon Jan 16 19:22:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mail.blizzard-media.com (mail.blizzard-media.com [70.84.41.196]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E5FB03BEE0 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22555 invoked by uid 398); 16 Jan 2006 19:19:12 -0000 Date: 16 Jan 2006 19:19:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060116191912.22554.qmail@mail.blizzard-media.com> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Notification of Limited Account Access X-PHP-Script: qlhastro.net/index1.php for 172.178.30.95 From: PayPal Account Review Department Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Untitled Document
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 19:46:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86753BF00; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:46:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <007601c61a9c$d867a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Rick I just realized that I had told Barry Phillips he can borrow my PA and mics on Sunday. Do you have any SM58's or other mics I could borrow to lend to him for a celtic music concert, maybe your akg's? Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:01 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update I'll be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at booth 1857 in HALL E at the NAMM show this coming weekend. My performance times will be at 1,3,5 on Friday 2,3,5 on Saturday (note time change to accomodate the 12 Noon Loopers Luncheon on Saturday at the Marriot---Cafe Del Sol on ground floor) 1,3 on Sunday UK bassist, Steve Lawson will also be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at the booth. Check there to find out his performance times which are not set yet. My brother Bill Walker will also be performing with me at the LOOPERLATIVE booth as well. ************* OTHER NAMM LOOPER NEWS: Also, a very talented live looper and also a very innovative and influential East Coast beat boxer, Terry Lewis, aka KID LUCKY will be performing at the SAMSON booth (and may stop buy to join me at one of the LOOPERLATIVE demos). Those of you who aren't familiar with Kid Lucky should check out www.beatboxing.com I had the great privilige of performing on the same bill with Kid Lucky (as well as Kid Beyond, our other famous looping beatboxer of Ableton Live fame) at the CD release performance of my all vocal CD, Faux Voix a couple of years back. He's just fantastic and has a very innovative manipulation of not only his own beatboxing but also triggered video imagery as well. Check him out and be prepared to be amazed. AND BOSS and ELECTRO HARMONIX are also slated to show new live looping products at NAMM this year. It's going to be an excellent year for hardware and software live looping gear this year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 19:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794293BEF1; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.54522a47.30fd54d9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:58:17 EST Subject: Re: Walker Mix Up To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e.54522a47.30fd54d9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:58:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1e.54522a47.30fd54d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/06 5:20:10 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: > For those of you who know and have spent time with us, perhaps you can > chime > in if I missed anything of importance :) > don't get me started!......:)m --part1_1e.54522a47.30fd54d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/14/06 5:20:10 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


For those of you who=20= know and have spent time with us, perhaps you can chime
in if I missed anything of importance :)


don't get me started!......:)m --part1_1e.54522a47.30fd54d9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 20:01:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3BEB3BEF7; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Zoe tour sighting...ImogenHeap++++ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:01:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: ecf608fe-86ca-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <_AMYf.A.s6H.tu_yDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Ha Ha! You are too nice! The tour is going very well though. Imogen and co are just so wonderful. That Avalon show was technically hard because Imogen was using entirely new untested gear. Because of the Letterman "bumping" her gear had to be in 2 places at once, her usual "tested" gear was at Letterman and everything at the Avalon was purchased that very day. Plus, we couldn't soundcheck because she was taping. You can imagine the technical difficulties....!! I think all the kinks are worked out now, but it certainly is complicated what she does! On Jan 15, 2006, at 6:46 PM, stanitarium wrote: > in the nytimes 'pop music review' for 1/13/05 from the Avalon > 'With her Synthesizer, She Mesmerizes' > this part is after my own heart: > ...But when Ms. Heap left the acoustic world behind for her > synthesizer > bank, strung as it was w/ plastic flowers and christmas lights, she > was > mesmerizing. Despite serious technical glitches that plagued her > thru out > the show (the audience got to know her technician by name), songs > like the > acrobatic "loose ends" and "headlock", the latter rounded out by > the cello > of her opener, ZoeKeating, allowed her to dispense w/ schtick and > enjoy the > play of her ominously breathy, intermittently percussive voice > against her > lush soundscapes..." - Laura Sinagra > too bad Zoe cant bring her along to Y2K6-that would ROOL... > > > > > > > on 1/11/06 6:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: > >> yup.... >> ...she'll be on tonight though... >> >> On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:49 AM, stanitarium wrote: >> >> >>> Damn, waitin fer ms.Heap on Letterman and she gets bumped for some >>> idiotic >>> skit...iz that why they call tv a 'vast wasteland'? >>> hope to catch you guys @ GAMH :-) >>> breakaleg >>> seeya >>> staninsanfran >>> >>> >>> >>> on 1/10/06 7:13 AM, Zoe Keating at cello@zoekeating.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> p.s. my tour with Imogen Heap starts tomorrow. In addition to >>>> opening >>>> the show, I'm doing a few songs with her as well. And, relevant to >>>> LD...together we'll be a 3 RPTR + Ableton Live act!! Anyway, >>>> she's on >>>> Letterman tonight if you want to check her out. >>>> Come see us! >>>> Jan 11th: New York, NY - Avalon (old Limelight) >>>> Jan 12th: Toronto, ON - El Mocambo >>>> Jan 13th: Boston, MA - Paradise Rock Club >>>> Jan 14th: Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts >>>> Jan 15th: Baltimore, MD - Recher Theatre >>>> Jan 17th: Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern >>>> Jan 18th: Detroit, MI - Magic Bag >>>> Jan 23rd: San Diego, CA - House Of Blues >>>> Jan 24th: Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre >>>> Jan 26th: San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall >>>> Jan 28th: Portland, OR - Dante's >>>> Jan 29th: Seattle, WA - Neumo's >>>> Feb 7th: London, UK - The Scala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 20:07:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73B793BF02; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <487725D2-CD51-40E4-8EF6-963525F70AF7@zoekeating.com> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:07:22 -0800 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: b6386f22-86cb-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <9UNYPD.A.RQ.F0_yDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:07:34 +0000 (UTC) A very exciting NAMM this year. Wish I could go and see all the new products and demos! Have a lovely brunch... On Jan 16, 2006, at 11:46 AM, William Walker wrote: > Rick I just realized that I had told Barry Phillips he can borrow > my PA and > mics on Sunday. Do you have any SM58's or other mics I could borrow > to lend > to him for a celtic music concert, maybe your akg's? > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:01 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update > > > I'll be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at booth 1857 in HALL E > at the NAMM show this coming weekend. > > My performance times will be at > 1,3,5 on Friday > 2,3,5 on Saturday (note time change to accomodate the 12 Noon > Loopers > Luncheon on Saturday at the Marriot---Cafe Del Sol on ground floor) > 1,3 on Sunday > > UK bassist, Steve Lawson will also be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at > the booth. > Check there to find out his performance times which > are not set yet. > > My brother Bill Walker will also be performing with me at the > LOOPERLATIVE > booth as well. > > ************* > > OTHER NAMM LOOPER NEWS: > > Also, a very talented live looper and also a very innovative and > influential East Coast beat boxer, Terry Lewis, aka KID LUCKY > will be performing at the SAMSON booth (and may stop buy to join me > at one > of the LOOPERLATIVE demos). > > Those of you who aren't familiar with Kid Lucky should check out > www.beatboxing.com > > I had the great privilige of performing on the same bill with Kid > Lucky (as > well as Kid Beyond, our other famous looping beatboxer > of Ableton Live fame) at the CD release performance of my all vocal > CD, > Faux Voix a couple of years back. > > He's just fantastic and has a very innovative manipulation of not > only his > own beatboxing but also triggered video imagery as well. > Check him out and be prepared to be amazed. > > AND > BOSS and ELECTRO HARMONIX are also slated to show new live looping > products > at NAMM this year. > It's going to be an excellent year for hardware and software live > looping > gear this year. > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 21:03:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C46393BF04; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f601c61ae0$49621900$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:03:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F3_01C61AA5.9B9001F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhart) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 444, in=201993, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F3_01C61AA5.9B9001F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I salvaged some clips from this performance, which are more in the = ambient, dark, noise, experimental, etc category....or something like = that...I have no clue anymore. I've described them along with the = download/stream links below. My biggest complement of the night was from = some chess players across the room, who said the music was great for the = game. I guess the technological problem and the awkwardness of my new = guitar tuning forced me into a new flow of creativity....most of this is = very moody, probably depressing to some people. It could be good for = some creepy sci-fi flick or curling up on the sofa and reading some H.P. = Lovecraft....the Creeping Unknown. I think I was possessed by the spirit = of Lovecraft! 01 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057800.html (10:28) Acoustic guitar (tuned down a 3rd) with two EDPs and various VST = effects; cajon, conga, various percussion in the mix as well; there is a = lot of open space in this piece, which is what I like about...allows you = to think and feel in between the sound; it take a while to develop, so = be patient with the evolution; I am looping, of course, but the length = of the loop is relatively long, so that you don't hear the repetition = immediately; I switch to half speed and reverse toward the end, overdub, = then back to normal speed; the acoustic guitar tuned down to C is hard = to control here, but the deepness is intense 02 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057801.html (6:08) This one is just me without Vinnie on percussion...same acoustic guitar = setup as above; some ambient noise mixed in here; you can hear the = pounding of the express maker at 1:53; the guitar tuned down like this = has a interesting effect...some of the tones almost sound = animal-like...then I kick into double-speed...here come the insects, = bees, flies, etc; then some startling slices of the Sun Ra VST plugin, = which I start to interact with toward the end, call and response 04 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057802.html (19:23) Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of other = natural percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my = signature guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, = which again forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing = in an unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; = 7:06...the entire soundscape drops down to half speed...good grief, the = didj sound sinister this way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking = in the depths; 8:31...Vinnie starts talking, breathing, and groaning = into the didjeridu like a tortured and haunted soul down under; 11:00 = fade out...new movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling into the = didjeridu, as if meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending down, = down, down....12:52 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing = more weird vocal work into his didjeridu over the top of the prior = looped section; Vinnie starts scratching the mic with his finger; I'm = still descending, and then playing abstract melodies and runs....we fade = out 06 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057803.html (7:33) More dark obscurity like the above...at this point, I am bored with my = own bitterness and frustration with the evening; nonetheless, the piece = keeps flowing into a deep, rumbling end. My impression of the night changed after listening to these clips...I = believe it was the other songs that were more mainstream and rhythmic = sounding that disappointed me the most. My reaction was to adapt and = move to the extreme with the above. I should try generating = uncomfortable situations more often when I play! :) Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! If you give me a few days, I'll add screen shots to the URL below, = which will make it easier to view the settings, etc. Kris >Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, I used the coffehouse WI-FI and = Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the guidelines on how to do this. = I posted something a while back on LD, but it wasn't that complete. I = recently wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I have just = posted here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/webcast.htm ------=_NextPart_000_01F3_01C61AA5.9B9001F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I salvaged some clips from this = performance, which=20 are more in the ambient, dark, noise, experimental, etc category....or = something=20 like that...I have no clue anymore.  I've described them along = with=20 the download/stream links below. My biggest complement of the night was = from=20 some chess players across the room, who said the music was great for the = game. I=20 guess the technological problem and the awkwardness of my new guitar = tuning=20 forced me into a new flow of creativity....most of this is very moody, = probably=20 depressing to some people. It could be good for some creepy sci-fi flick = or=20 curling up on the sofa and reading some H.P. Lovecraft....the Creeping = Unknown.=20 I think I was possessed by the spirit of Lovecraft!
 
 
Acoustic guitar (tuned down a 3rd) with two EDPs and various VST=20 effects; cajon, conga, various percussion in the mix as well; there = is a=20 lot of open space in this piece, which is what I like about...allows you = to=20 think and feel in between the sound; it take a while to develop, so = be=20 patient with the evolution;  I am looping, of course, but the = length of the=20 loop is relatively long, so that you don't hear the repetition = immediately; I=20 switch to half speed and reverse toward the end, overdub, then back to = normal=20 speed; the acoustic guitar tuned down to C is hard to control here, but = the=20 deepness is intense
 
 
This one is just me without Vinnie on percussion...same acoustic = guitar=20 setup as above; some ambient noise mixed in here; you can hear the = pounding of=20 the express maker at 1:53; the guitar tuned down like this has a = interesting=20 effect...some of the tones almost sound animal-like...then I kick into=20 double-speed...here come the insects, bees, flies, etc; then some = startling=20 slices of the Sun Ra VST plugin, which I start to interact with toward = the end,=20 call and response
 
 
Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of other = natural=20 percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my signature = guitar synth=20 tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, which again forces me = into an=20 uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing in an unpredictable way;=20 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; 7:06...the entire soundscape drops = down to=20 half speed...good grief, the didj sound sinister this way! Sounds = like some=20 horrific monster lurking in the depths; 8:31...Vinnie starts talking,=20 breathing, and groaning into the didjeridu like a tortured and = haunted soul=20 down under; 11:00 fade out...new movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling = into=20 the didjeridu, as if meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending = down, down,=20 down....12:52 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing more = weird=20 vocal work into his didjeridu over the top of the prior looped section; = Vinnie=20 starts scratching the mic with his finger; I'm still descending, and = then=20 playing abstract melodies and runs....we fade out
 
 
More dark obscurity like the above...at this point, I am bored with = my own=20 bitterness and frustration with the evening; nonetheless, the piece = keeps=20 flowing into a deep, rumbling end.
 
My impression of the night changed after listening to these = clips...I=20 believe it was the other songs that were more mainstream and rhythmic = sounding=20 that disappointed me the most. My reaction was to adapt and move to = the=20 extreme with the above. I should try generating uncomfortable situations = more=20 often when I play! :)
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
www.krispenhartung.com<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 = 6:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance=20 Streamed to Web Tonight!

If you give me a few days, I'll = add screen=20 shots to the URL below, which will make it easier to view the = settings,=20 etc.
 
Kris
 

>Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, = I used the=20 coffehouse WI-FI and Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the = guidelines on=20 how to do this. I posted something a while back on LD, but it wasn't = that=20 complete. I recently wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I = have=20 just posted here:  http://www.krispenhart= ung.com/webcast.htm
 
------=_NextPart_000_01F3_01C61AA5.9B9001F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 834B33BEFB; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FTDPBJ+OmXiYXt0edht5cc2DzbkyClFXcTeRmadIW8qUuM8+yA+xBJC5KWl6pmy+jzKgYucwWVodAKLcuyBxaJkq6s2Jw0VLYMnhi+QhePwX/uSMu2R86y9hedYMh2hXSzfAKrJ5i06oDBxrHb3ifmR8rmrPdCYVFIpGipLBlgY= ; Message-ID: <20060116223811.14254.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007601c61a9c$d867a7d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Damn, I'm so jealous. I'd love to one day be able to attend an NAMM show! Mark --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I'll be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at booth 1857 in > HALL E > at the NAMM show this coming weekend. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 16 22:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 154703BEF8; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oVHxU/207XpwnOQXt0MXUKY99riiwlupb1NoODy/K6dyubqjMcU11+Ha/CufiIlV; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:46:19 -0800 Subject: Re: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060116223811.14254.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c383de135abe89469ca7b8b37f5ae3d0937de48b32926e61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.203.186 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:47:47 +0000 (UTC) me too-let me know if ya figure out a back door entrance er somethin.... s on 1/16/06 2:38 PM, mark sottilaro at zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: > Damn, I'm so jealous. I'd love to one day be able to > attend an NAMM show! > Mark > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: >> I'll be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at booth 1857 in >> HALL E >> at the NAMM show this coming weekend. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 01:05:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3423BEE7; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b801c61b02$12d129e0$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <01f601c61ae0$49621900$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:05:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C61ABF.046AC660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:05:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C61ABF.046AC660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable K: I finished work early and had time to listen to your clips. You = didn't include the one I liked best from the live performance, no 5, but = that's OK. Here are my impressions from the ones below: 01 - flat for the first 6:30 min, then gets real interesting with = percussion and very fancy guitar work. I imagine your audience got a = kick out of seeing that. 02 - again, flat for the first 3 min, then more great guitar playing = through to the end, at a minimalist tempo 04 - no comment 06 - gets interesting after 5:30 min with cool bass sounds, dark and = moody but very good. It's hard to produce music of this caliber in real time. When the = equipment is set up correctly, the performance can also be visually = interesting for the audience. Throw in a percussionist and you have a = dynamite show. Not sure how many coffeeshop crowds would appreciate it, = but so what. Good work, Kris, you should be proud. - CW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! I salvaged some clips from this performance, which are more in the = ambient, dark, noise, experimental, etc category....or something like = that...I have no clue anymore. I've described them along with the = download/stream links below. My biggest complement of the night was from = some chess players across the room, who said the music was great for the = game. I guess the technological problem and the awkwardness of my new = guitar tuning forced me into a new flow of creativity....most of this is = very moody, probably depressing to some people. It could be good for = some creepy sci-fi flick or curling up on the sofa and reading some H.P. = Lovecraft....the Creeping Unknown. I think I was possessed by the spirit = of Lovecraft! 01 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057800.html (10:28) Acoustic guitar (tuned down a 3rd) with two EDPs and various VST = effects; cajon, conga, various percussion in the mix as well; there is a = lot of open space in this piece, which is what I like about...allows you = to think and feel in between the sound; it take a while to develop, so = be patient with the evolution; I am looping, of course, but the length = of the loop is relatively long, so that you don't hear the repetition = immediately; I switch to half speed and reverse toward the end, overdub, = then back to normal speed; the acoustic guitar tuned down to C is hard = to control here, but the deepness is intense 02 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057801.html (6:08) This one is just me without Vinnie on percussion...same acoustic = guitar setup as above; some ambient noise mixed in here; you can hear = the pounding of the express maker at 1:53; the guitar tuned down like = this has a interesting effect...some of the tones almost sound = animal-like...then I kick into double-speed...here come the insects, = bees, flies, etc; then some startling slices of the Sun Ra VST plugin, = which I start to interact with toward the end, call and response 04 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057802.html (19:23) Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of other = natural percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my = signature guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, = which again forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing = in an unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; = 7:06...the entire soundscape drops down to half speed...good grief, the = didj sound sinister this way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking = in the depths; 8:31...Vinnie starts talking, breathing, and groaning = into the didjeridu like a tortured and haunted soul down under; 11:00 = fade out...new movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling into the = didjeridu, as if meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending down, = down, down....12:52 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing = more weird vocal work into his didjeridu over the top of the prior = looped section; Vinnie starts scratching the mic with his finger; I'm = still descending, and then playing abstract melodies and runs....we fade = out 06 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057803.html (7:33) More dark obscurity like the above...at this point, I am bored with my = own bitterness and frustration with the evening; nonetheless, the piece = keeps flowing into a deep, rumbling end. My impression of the night changed after listening to these clips...I = believe it was the other songs that were more mainstream and rhythmic = sounding that disappointed me the most. My reaction was to adapt and = move to the extreme with the above. I should try generating = uncomfortable situations more often when I play! :) Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! If you give me a few days, I'll add screen shots to the URL below, = which will make it easier to view the settings, etc. Kris >Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, I used the coffehouse WI-FI and = Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the guidelines on how to do this. = I posted something a while back on LD, but it wasn't that complete. I = recently wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I have just = posted here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/webcast.htm ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C61ABF.046AC660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
K:  I finished work early and had = time to=20 listen to your clips.  You didn't include the one I liked best from = the=20 live performance, no 5, but that's OK.   Here are my = impressions from=20 the ones below:
 
01 - flat for the first 6:30 min, then = gets real=20 interesting with percussion and very fancy guitar work.  I imagine = your=20 audience got a kick out of seeing that.
 
02 - again, flat for the first 3 min, = then more=20 great guitar playing through to the end, at a minimalist = tempo
 
04 - no comment
 
06 - gets interesting after 5:30 min = with cool bass=20 sounds, dark and moody but very good.
 
It's hard to produce music of this = caliber in real=20 time.  When the equipment is set up correctly, the performance can = also be=20 visually interesting for the audience.  Throw in a percussionist = and you=20 have a dynamite show.  Not sure how many coffeeshop crowds would = appreciate=20 it, but so what.  Good work, Kris, you should be proud.  -=20 CW
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 = 1:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance=20 Streamed to Web Tonight!

I salvaged some clips from this = performance,=20 which are more in the ambient, dark, noise, experimental, etc = category....or=20 something like that...I have no clue anymore.  I've = described them=20 along with the download/stream links below. My biggest complement of = the night=20 was from some chess players across the room, who said the music was = great for=20 the game. I guess the technological problem and the awkwardness of my = new=20 guitar tuning forced me into a new flow of creativity....most of this = is very=20 moody, probably depressing to some people. It could be good for some = creepy=20 sci-fi flick or curling up on the sofa and reading some H.P. = Lovecraft....the=20 Creeping Unknown. I think I was possessed by the spirit of=20 Lovecraft!
 
 
Acoustic guitar (tuned down a 3rd) with two EDPs and various VST=20 effects; cajon, conga, various percussion in the mix as well; = there is a=20 lot of open space in this piece, which is what I like about...allows = you to=20 think and feel in between the sound; it take a while to develop, = so be=20 patient with the evolution;  I am looping, of course, but the = length of=20 the loop is relatively long, so that you don't hear the repetition=20 immediately; I switch to half speed and reverse toward the end, = overdub, then=20 back to normal speed; the acoustic guitar tuned down to C is hard to = control=20 here, but the deepness is intense
 
 
This one is just me without Vinnie on percussion...same acoustic = guitar=20 setup as above; some ambient noise mixed in here; you can hear the = pounding of=20 the express maker at 1:53; the guitar tuned down like this has a = interesting=20 effect...some of the tones almost sound animal-like...then I kick into = double-speed...here come the insects, bees, flies, etc; then some = startling slices of the Sun Ra VST plugin, which I start to interact = with=20 toward the end, call and response
 
 
Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of = other=20 natural percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my = signature=20 guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, which = again=20 forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing in an=20 unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; 7:06...the = entire=20 soundscape drops down to half speed...good grief, the didj sound = sinister this=20 way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking in the depths;=20 8:31...Vinnie starts talking, breathing, and groaning into the = didjeridu=20 like a tortured and haunted soul down under; 11:00 fade out...new=20 movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling into the didjeridu, as if=20 meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending down, down, = down....12:52=20 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing more weird vocal = work into=20 his didjeridu over the top of the prior looped section; Vinnie starts=20 scratching the mic with his finger; I'm still descending, and then = playing=20 abstract melodies and runs....we fade out
 
 
More dark obscurity like the above...at this point, I am bored = with my=20 own bitterness and frustration with the evening; nonetheless, the = piece keeps=20 flowing into a deep, rumbling end.
 
My impression of the night changed after listening to these = clips...I=20 believe it was the other songs that were more mainstream and rhythmic = sounding=20 that disappointed me the most. My reaction was to adapt and move = to the=20 extreme with the above. I should try generating uncomfortable = situations more=20 often when I play! :)
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
www.krispenhartung.com<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 15, = 2006 6:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance=20 Streamed to Web Tonight!

If you give me a few days, = I'll add screen=20 shots to the URL below, which will make it easier to view the = settings,=20 etc.
 
Kris
 

>Thanks, Charles. Yes, = indeed, I used=20 the coffehouse WI-FI and Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the=20 guidelines on how to do this. I posted something a while back on LD, = but it=20 wasn't that complete. I recently wrote up some more detailed = instructions,=20 which I have just posted here:  http://www.krispenhart= ung.com/webcast.htm
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C61ABF.046AC660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 01:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222DB3BEF8; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: LOOPERLATIVE demo schedule and NAMM loopers update Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060116223811.14254.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYa7YnpQFHWh/B6RROK3eIAkAy0hgAGRFeQ Message-Id: <20060117013915.54B953BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Will you get Harmony Central or SonicState to make a demo video for the Looperlative? It would be great if it was available for streaming. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I'll be demoing the LOOPERLATIVE at booth 1857 in HALL E at the NAMM > show this coming weekend. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 02:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC1E73BED5; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c61b0c$c3054da0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <00af01c5ff9f$ce2b3bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Continuum Looping at NAMM Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. I've already mentioned this, but here it is again anyway! I will be demonstrating the Continuum Fingerboard at NAMM again this year at booth 1000: http://www.hakenaudio.com/Continuum/ I'll be using the Continuum to drive an Open Labs NeKo running Ableton Live and Reaktor for doing bass, synth and horn sounds. Come by and check it out if you feel like it. For a sample, check out the "Legato Sax" example: http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html I plan to go by and check out the Looperlative for sure. And maybe the new Akai EWI, and maybe this very cool thing I played last year: http://www.bowedguitar.com/ And maybe I'll go by and look at (but not play) the $15,000 banjos made by these guys: http://www.omebanjos.com/ Their hummingbird banjo is probably the most beautiful instrument I've ever seen. Unbelieveable. But I'd be afraid to play it. http://www.omebanjos.com/grandartistgallery.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 02:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA613BEF0; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fJHiryoquw9TTPxXpsfhUYaq56wXZ0b3M7qagt9NwPP4B/aTwKvhp9nyTd+P4ThQ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006121723958920@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES:  ONLINE] Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:39:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940385531c4aa144add7836111bd85aecc7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.148.166 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:33:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Good story, brother. ~T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 1/15/2006 5:09:17 PM Subject: Re: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES: ONLINE] Hi all, As for getting airplay (and print reviews too) -- I was extremely fortunate to have my CD put out on an actual label (pfMENTUM) that, although small, already had a positive track record (of sorts) with certain kinds of reviewers, publications, radio shows, programing directors, etc. They had a mailing list already compiled of nearly 1000 already proven "semi-receptive" destinations to send my disk to. And, therefore, I sent them. I sent CDs out to much less than the full list, certainly, but still a very, very large number -- a hideous, expensive, embarrassingly large number -- all in order to get the 30-40 some odd radio stations to play it (the ones I know of which post their playlists online) and the few dozen favorable reviews it got (also just the ones that I know of who sent me tearsheet copies or emails) from folks all around Europe, Canada, the US and in Austrailia. For all that lot, hundreds of disks went out and were totally, completely ignored. That's just the way it goes. There has been some discussion on the list about the pros and cons of simply giving away your MP3 downloads online. All well and good, I really don't have an opinion to offer on that. But, to the degree that you want to be taken seriously as an artist and get airplay and reviews and some public notice, you have to be prepared to FREELY GIVE AWAY SOMETHING in return for acheiving that goal. I sent out not mere dozens but literally hundreds of CDs to people who largely recieved it with indifference. In the package was a well-written press release, a nice photo, and a reminder blurbett/flyer about the pfMENTUM label which had sent so many other CDs to the recipient that they had supposedly enjoyed -- connecting in the reviewers mind my new CD (which they were holding) and the hopefully positive memoriy of other disks from the label. I got airplay in nearly every country in Europe from Norway to Spain an from the UK to Romania and Lithuania and the former Soviet Union (an including, strange as it seems, even Siberia). Several stations in Canada and college stations around the US played it as well and more than a few stations down under in Australia too. Still, with all of that, I cannot get airplay on the local college radio station in my own town. Go figure. Fair or not, that's just the way it is. I did make a couple of exceptions, cause back in 2001 when my CD came out there were a couple of folks on the LD list that had radio shows of one sort or another. Because he posted a general invite for submissions to the LD list at some point I did send a disk to Billy Fox at one of his stations or another (I forget which). Nevertheless, what he says is true, I should've paid closer attention to what sort of material he was looking for and playing. My disk "Flux Aeterna" was not a particulaly good fit in retrospect. It lurches from post-rock guitar to semi-industrial, to neo space-rock and long stretches of ambient(ish) ear-wash to semi-jazzy languid melodically emotive noodling and totally gnarly electronic experimentalism. It's simply doesn't sit still and do just any one thing, it tries to do several and it kept turning oblique corners stylistically while doing it. Though there might've been a couple of individual cuts on there that could've fit the program, I'm sure he didn't have time to go looking for them and I certainly didn't give him any clues toward finding them. My advice, if you find yourself in a similar situation where a given programmer is wanting a CERTAIN THING for their show -- direct them to the pertinent tracks that will most likely interest them. Don't send it to them and say (essentially): "Here it is. You're on your own." In other words, what I sent to him was of no use to him. It's not his fault. It's mine for not thinking it through. Anyhoo, that's what little advice I have to offer. A lot of it is simply "be lucky." The rest of it is to be wise and mail/give away everything you can -- but give it only to the right folks. Also, remember to help those recipients of your CD out a little (if there needs are narrower than your material) by directing them to particular tracks that will most interest them. More advice . . . if they do in fact listen to your CD they may not listen to all of it. A certain writer for a certain prominent guitar magazine got my CD and must've listened to just the first cut and half of the second and formed a quick opinion (and a clever, from his point of view, way to say it) -- which his magazine then published. That opinion was generally a positive one but it was sort of "off-handed" and also obvious from it that he hadn't actually listened to the whole thing. We met, face-to-face, a year or so later at a NAMM show and he was abashed and apologetic as all get out. Somehow he finally did listen to the rest of the CD, liked it all, and found out how short-sighted and one-dimensional his review was having been based on only listening to the first couple of tracks and figuring the rest was more of the same. He's a good guy, a very busy one, and an excellent player himself. I was as sincerly appreciative of the press as it was anyway so it was really no trouble to be wholeheartedly forgiving in return. In short, my advice is to take the bitter with the sweet and hold no grudges. You never know, you may make a friend -- or more likely meet a "fellow traveler." Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Good story, brother.
~T
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/15/2006 5:09:17 PM
Subject: Re: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL OUR SELVES:  ONLINE]

Hi all,

As for getting airplay (and print reviews too) -- I was extremely fortunate to have my CD put out on an actual label (pfMENTUM) that, although small, already had a positive track record (of sorts) with certain kinds of reviewers, publications, radio shows, programing directors, etc. They had a mailing list already compiled of nearly 1000 already proven "semi-receptive" destinations to send my disk to. And, therefore, I sent them.

I sent CDs out to much less than the full list, certainly, but still a very, very large number -- a hideous, expensive, embarrassingly large number -- all in order to get the 30-40 some odd radio stations to play it (the ones I know of which post their playlists online) and the few dozen favorable reviews it got (also just the ones that I know of who sent me tearsheet copies or emails) from folks all around Europe, Canada, the US and in Austrailia. For all that lot, hundreds of disks went out and were totally, completely ignored. That's just the way it goes.

There has been some discussion on the list about the pros and cons of simply giving away your MP3 downloads online. All well and good, I really don't have an opinion to offer on that. But, to the degree that you want to be taken seriously as an artist and get airplay and reviews and some public notice, you have to be prepared to FREELY GIVE AWAY SOMETHING in return for acheiving that goal.

I sent out not mere dozens but literally hundreds of CDs to people who largely recieved it with indifference. In the package was a well-written press release, a nice photo, and a reminder blurbett/flyer about the pfMENTUM label which had sent so many other CDs to the recipient that they had supposedly enjoyed -- connecting in the reviewers mind my new CD (which they were holding) and the hopefully positive memoriy of other disks from the label.

I got airplay in nearly every country in Europe from Norway to Spain an from the UK to Romania and Lithuania and the former Soviet Union (an including, strange as it seems, even Siberia). Several stations in Canada and college stations around the US played it as well and more than a few stations down under in Australia too. Still, with all of that, I cannot get airplay on the local college radio station in my own town. Go figure. Fair or not, that's just the way it is.

I did make a couple of exceptions, cause back in 2001 when my CD came out there were a couple of folks on the LD list that had radio shows of one sort or another. Because he posted a general invite for submissions to the LD list at some point I did send a disk to Billy Fox at one of his stations or another (I forget which). Nevertheless, what he says is true, I should've paid closer attention to what sort of material he was looking for and playing. My disk "Flux Aeterna" was not a particulaly good fit in retrospect. It lurches from post-rock guitar to semi-industrial, to neo space-rock and long stretches of ambient(ish) ear-wash to semi-jazzy languid melodically emotive noodling and totally gnarly electronic experimentalism. It's simply doesn't sit still and do just any one thing, it tries to do several and it kept turning oblique corners stylistically while doing it.

Though there might've been a couple of individual cuts on there that could've fit the program, I'm sure he didn't have time to go looking for them and I certainly didn't give him any clues toward finding them. My advice, if you find yourself in a similar situation where a given programmer is wanting a CERTAIN THING for their show -- direct them to the pertinent tracks that will most likely interest them. Don't send it to them and say (essentially): "Here it is. You're on your own." In other words, what I sent to him was of no use to him. It's not his fault. It's mine for not thinking it through.

Anyhoo, that's what little advice I have to offer. A lot of it is simply "be lucky." The rest of it is to be wise and mail/give away everything you can -- but give it only to the right folks. Also, remember to help those recipients of your CD out a little (if there needs are narrower than your material) by directing them to particular tracks that will most interest them.

More advice . . . if they do in fact listen to your CD they may not listen to all of it. A certain writer for a certain prominent guitar magazine got my CD and must've listened to just the first cut and half of the second and formed a quick opinion (and a clever, from his point of view, way to say it) -- which his magazine then published. That opinion was generally a positive one but it was sort of "off-handed" and also obvious from it that he hadn't actually listened to the whole thing. We met, face-to-face, a year or so later at a NAMM show and he was abashed and apologetic as all get out. Somehow he finally did listen to the rest of the CD, liked it all, and found out how short-sighted and one-dimensional his review was  having been based on only listening to the first couple of tracks and figuring the rest was more of the same. He's a good guy, a very busy one, and an excellent player himself. I was as sincerly appreciative of the press as it was anyway so it was really no trouble to be wholeheartedly forgiving in return.

In short, my advice is to take the bitter with the sweet and hold no grudges. You never know, you may make a friend -- or more likely meet a "fellow traveler."

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 04:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CF8B3BEE8; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a101c61b1f$a4fd5600$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01f601c61ae0$49621900$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00b801c61b02$12d129e0$6401a8c0@charles2> Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:36:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C61AE4.F75C12F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 442, in=197555, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:37:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C61AE4.F75C12F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Charles. I definitely understand the "flatness" of the first parts of each piece. = I have a personal theory that explains that, which is that when I do = both spontaneous composition or free improv (in the strict sense of the = approach) and real-time looping, it tends to take a while for me to = develop the piece into something that has an identify. The identity is a = work in progress or living event in this regard. What you hear in the = beginning does not necessarily define the piece as a whole, but is just = the planting of a few seeds of creativity. Looping in this improv = spirit, for me, is sometimes like painting an abstract landscape. I = begin with some back wash, a few layers of paint to set the context, and = eventually as I start building up the depth and texture of the painting, = details start to appear that pull the whole thing together into a = cohesive whole that hopefully satisfies the artist's vision. And of = course, doing this with an audience adds a whole new element to the = work.=20 Next Thursday, I perform free and structured improv/real-time looping = for the first time at a popular Boise club. It is just me and a = percussionist, who will have both an electronic and acoustic set at the = gig. That should be interesting.=20 Perhaps I could create new versions of these clips that fade in after = they have time to develop. I've done that before when it took me too = long to find my creative pathways....such is the challenge when you are = trying really hard to spontaneously create something completely fresh = and new in the spur of the moment, not relying on your past clich=E9s, = favorite phrases and licks, etc. I play something, pause, and think to = myself...what did I just do? Did I just unconsciously re-use something = from my memory of a past performance? Is that innovative? Yes, no, = yes...keep pushing, try again, succeed, fail, succeed. It's a big = experiment. I figure if I don't fail on occasion, then I'm not trying = hard enough...not truly pushing the limits.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Winters=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! K: I finished work early and had time to listen to your clips. You = didn't include the one I liked best from the live performance, no 5, but = that's OK. Here are my impressions from the ones below: 01 - flat for the first 6:30 min, then gets real interesting with = percussion and very fancy guitar work. I imagine your audience got a = kick out of seeing that. 02 - again, flat for the first 3 min, then more great guitar playing = through to the end, at a minimalist tempo 04 - no comment 06 - gets interesting after 5:30 min with cool bass sounds, dark and = moody but very good. It's hard to produce music of this caliber in real time. When the = equipment is set up correctly, the performance can also be visually = interesting for the audience. Throw in a percussionist and you have a = dynamite show. Not sure how many coffeeshop crowds would appreciate it, = but so what. Good work, Kris, you should be proud. - CW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! I salvaged some clips from this performance, which are more in the = ambient, dark, noise, experimental, etc category....or something like = that...I have no clue anymore. I've described them along with the = download/stream links below. My biggest complement of the night was from = some chess players across the room, who said the music was great for the = game. I guess the technological problem and the awkwardness of my new = guitar tuning forced me into a new flow of creativity....most of this is = very moody, probably depressing to some people. It could be good for = some creepy sci-fi flick or curling up on the sofa and reading some H.P. = Lovecraft....the Creeping Unknown. I think I was possessed by the spirit = of Lovecraft! 01 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057800.html (10:28) Acoustic guitar (tuned down a 3rd) with two EDPs and various VST = effects; cajon, conga, various percussion in the mix as well; there is a = lot of open space in this piece, which is what I like about...allows you = to think and feel in between the sound; it take a while to develop, so = be patient with the evolution; I am looping, of course, but the length = of the loop is relatively long, so that you don't hear the repetition = immediately; I switch to half speed and reverse toward the end, overdub, = then back to normal speed; the acoustic guitar tuned down to C is hard = to control here, but the deepness is intense 02 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057801.html (6:08) This one is just me without Vinnie on percussion...same acoustic = guitar setup as above; some ambient noise mixed in here; you can hear = the pounding of the express maker at 1:53; the guitar tuned down like = this has a interesting effect...some of the tones almost sound = animal-like...then I kick into double-speed...here come the insects, = bees, flies, etc; then some startling slices of the Sun Ra VST plugin, = which I start to interact with toward the end, call and response 04 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057802.html (19:23) Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of other = natural percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my = signature guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, = which again forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing = in an unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; = 7:06...the entire soundscape drops down to half speed...good grief, the = didj sound sinister this way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking = in the depths; 8:31...Vinnie starts talking, breathing, and groaning = into the didjeridu like a tortured and haunted soul down under; 11:00 = fade out...new movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling into the = didjeridu, as if meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending down, = down, down....12:52 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing = more weird vocal work into his didjeridu over the top of the prior = looped section; Vinnie starts scratching the mic with his finger; I'm = still descending, and then playing abstract melodies and runs....we fade = out 06 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2057803.html (7:33) More dark obscurity like the above...at this point, I am bored with = my own bitterness and frustration with the evening; nonetheless, the = piece keeps flowing into a deep, rumbling end. My impression of the night changed after listening to these = clips...I believe it was the other songs that were more mainstream and = rhythmic sounding that disappointed me the most. My reaction was to = adapt and move to the extreme with the above. I should try generating = uncomfortable situations more often when I play! :) Cheers, Kris www.krispenhartung.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! If you give me a few days, I'll add screen shots to the URL below, = which will make it easier to view the settings, etc. Kris >Thanks, Charles. Yes, indeed, I used the coffehouse WI-FI and = Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the guidelines on how to do this. = I posted something a while back on LD, but it wasn't that complete. I = recently wrote up some more detailed instructions, which I have just = posted here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/webcast.htm ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C61AE4.F75C12F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Charles.
 
I definitely understand the "flatness" = of the first=20 parts of each piece. I have a personal theory that explains that, which = is that=20 when I do both spontaneous composition or free improv (in the strict = sense of=20 the approach) and real-time looping, it tends to take a while for me to = develop=20 the piece into something that has an identify. The identity is a work in = progress or living event in this regard. What you hear in the beginning = does not=20 necessarily define the piece as a whole, but is just the planting of a = few seeds=20 of creativity.  Looping in this improv spirit, for me, is = sometimes=20 like painting an abstract landscape. I begin with some back wash, a = few=20 layers of paint to set the context, and eventually as I start = building up=20 the depth and texture of the painting, details start to appear = that=20 pull the whole thing together into a cohesive whole that hopefully = satisfies the=20 artist's vision. And of course, doing this with an audience adds a whole = new=20 element to the work.
 
Next Thursday, I perform free and = structured=20 improv/real-time looping for the first time at a popular Boise club. It = is just=20 me and a percussionist, who will have both an electronic and acoustic = set at the=20 gig. That should be interesting.
 
Perhaps I could create new versions of = these clips=20 that fade in after they have time to develop. I've done that before when = it took=20 me too long to find my creative pathways....such is the challenge when = you are=20 trying really hard to spontaneously create something completely fresh = and new in=20 the spur of the moment, not relying on your past clich=E9s, favorite = phrases and=20 licks, etc. I play something, pause, and think = to myself...what did I=20 just do? Did I just unconsciously re-use something from = my memory=20 of a past performance? Is that innovative? Yes, no, yes...keep pushing, = try=20 again, succeed, fail, succeed. It's a big experiment. = I figure if I=20 don't fail on occasion, then I'm not trying hard enough...not truly = pushing=20 the limits. 
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Winters
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 = 6:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance=20 Streamed to Web Tonight!

K:  I finished work early and = had time to=20 listen to your clips.  You didn't include the one I liked best = from the=20 live performance, no 5, but that's OK.   Here are my = impressions=20 from the ones below:
 
01 - flat for the first 6:30 min, = then gets real=20 interesting with percussion and very fancy guitar work.  I = imagine your=20 audience got a kick out of seeing that.
 
02 - again, flat for the first 3 min, = then more=20 great guitar playing through to the end, at a minimalist = tempo
 
04 - no comment
 
06 - gets interesting after 5:30 min = with cool=20 bass sounds, dark and moody but very good.
 
It's hard to produce music of this = caliber in=20 real time.  When the equipment is set up correctly, the = performance can=20 also be visually interesting for the audience.  Throw in a = percussionist=20 and you have a dynamite show.  Not sure how many coffeeshop = crowds would=20 appreciate it, but so what.  Good work, Kris, you should be = proud. =20 - CW
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 16, = 2006 1:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance=20 Streamed to Web Tonight!

I salvaged some clips from this = performance,=20 which are more in the ambient, dark, noise, experimental, etc = category....or=20 something like that...I have no clue anymore.  I've = described them=20 along with the download/stream links below. My biggest complement of = the=20 night was from some chess players across the room, who said the = music was=20 great for the game. I guess the technological problem and the = awkwardness of=20 my new guitar tuning forced me into a new flow of creativity....most = of this=20 is very moody, probably depressing to some people. It could be good = for some=20 creepy sci-fi flick or curling up on the sofa and reading some H.P.=20 Lovecraft....the Creeping Unknown. I think I was possessed by the = spirit of=20 Lovecraft!
 
 
Acoustic guitar (tuned down a 3rd) with two EDPs and various = VST=20 effects; cajon, conga, various percussion in the mix as well; = there is=20 a lot of open space in this piece, which is what I like = about...allows you=20 to think and feel in between the sound; it take a while to = develop, so=20 be patient with the evolution;  I am looping, of course, but = the length=20 of the loop is relatively long, so that you don't hear the = repetition=20 immediately; I switch to half speed and reverse toward the end, = overdub,=20 then back to normal speed; the acoustic guitar tuned down to C is = hard to=20 control here, but the deepness is intense
 
 
This one is just me without Vinnie on percussion...same = acoustic guitar=20 setup as above; some ambient noise mixed in here; you can hear the = pounding=20 of the express maker at 1:53; the guitar tuned down like this has a=20 interesting effect...some of the tones almost sound = animal-like...then I=20 kick into double-speed...here come the insects, bees, flies, = etc; then=20 some startling slices of the Sun Ra VST plugin, which I start to = interact=20 with toward the end, call and response
 
 
Starts with looping the chimes, then reversing them; lots of = other=20 natural percussion devices in here from Vinnie; I come in with my = signature=20 guitar synth tone about 2:57, but the patch is too damn loud, which = again=20 forces me into an uncomfortable zone and impacts my playing in an=20 unpredictable way; 3:47...didjeridu comes into the loop; 7:06...the = entire=20 soundscape drops down to half speed...good grief, the didj sound = sinister=20 this way! Sounds like some horrific monster lurking in the = depths;=20 8:31...Vinnie starts talking, breathing, and groaning into the=20 didjeridu like a tortured and haunted soul down under; 11:00 fade = out...new=20 movement...Vinnie inhaling and exhaling into the didjeridu, as if=20 meditating...into a deep sleep....me descending down, down, = down....12:52=20 comes the computer ambient noise, and Vinnie doing more weird vocal = work=20 into his didjeridu over the top of the prior looped section; Vinnie = starts=20 scratching the mic with his finger; I'm still descending, and then = playing=20 abstract melodies and runs....we fade out
 
 
More dark obscurity like the above...at this point, I am bored = with my=20 own bitterness and frustration with the evening; nonetheless, the = piece=20 keeps flowing into a deep, rumbling end.
 
My impression of the night changed after listening to these = clips...I=20 believe it was the other songs that were more mainstream and = rhythmic=20 sounding that disappointed me the most. My reaction was to = adapt and=20 move to the extreme with the above. I should try generating = uncomfortable=20 situations more often when I play! :)
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
www.krispenhartung.com<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 15, = 2006 6:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: Improv Looping = Performance Streamed to Web Tonight!

If you give me a few days, = I'll add=20 screen shots to the URL below, which will make it easier to view = the=20 settings, etc.
 
Kris
 

>Thanks, Charles. Yes, = indeed, I used=20 the coffehouse WI-FI and Shoutcast. Funny you should ask about the = guidelines on how to do this. I posted something a while back on = LD, but=20 it wasn't that complete. I recently wrote up some more detailed=20 instructions, which I have just posted here:  http://www.krispenhart= ung.com/webcast.htm
 
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format=flowed Message-Id: <81EE3FFB-F7B9-4E24-92BB-34510F9C4174@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: website domains Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:19:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:19:57 +0000 (UTC) On 17 jan 2006, at 14.41, Luis Angulo wrote: > Feel free to give me links of your site and > tell me what you are using as well. I mostly use Dreamweaver too. A while ago I was checking out PHP scripts for admin web upload interfaces and found many that would be useful for you. If you have the time to set it up, that is. I built such a dynamic web interface for a company so they can upload their text and files from any Internet cafe with only their unique password. When working on that I was thinking all the time that "this is something I could use for music uploads as well". Since then I have stopped working with web design though, because I was offered more music related work and had to free up time somewhere. If you search out the PHP script archives on the internet it's pretty easy to find a useful template. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 16:18:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE853BEE4; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43CD1C05.1000309@dibidut.dk> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:32:05 +0100 From: Steffen User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: website domains References: <20060117134105.25714.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060117134105.25714.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at oek.dk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, hey list -- Luis Angulo wrote: > [snip] been using macromedia dreamweaver but is too much of a > hassle to update everytime. Perfectly understandable. > So key is: > simplicity,nice grafic design,enough webspace for > audio,video,grafics and of course low monthly or > yearly fee. One thing is to find a host that suits your needs (webspace, low pay) another is to find the appropiate software (simplicity, nice design). They ofcause releate: The software needs server related featurs, this may cost extra if they are not very basic. Haveing said that, i think your needs will be fullfiled if you find a host that provide PHP and MySQL, since a lot of free software that does what you want depend (more or less) only on that. So in order to find a cheap host you are to search for hosts that provide both PHP and MySQL, and maybe other special features if the software you want happen to depend on it. Regarding finding the software, try freshmeat.net as a start and search for CMS. All the best, stfi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 17:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D493BEE7; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZB/IjrWK69xFFUy9NvRL+fPZPANIZ+Ozp/GGKX94Yf9MpZ+i4sBnO/JHQn0bk2aiZ+eDCqEi3qf9P5xhDXBRuEi6VV28VQtJ4HVpKNECukeb9/eUJx2UcgTZ/D/V/a8N/QES03VoXvyYrbUUbxck52dvAjJygvoAqEn/SetacDY= ; Message-ID: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Slimming down the digests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060117043701.15DA43BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2WtJh.A.jAD.t5SzDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Twisted panties alert!!! If you are already turning red in the face from the horrors of daily life, please take a moment to untwist your panties several turns before reading this... As per the recent requests to make the digests come out on a daily basis, Kim politely suggested that people NOT use HTML in their posts, and to trim posts according to need. This last post took up a whole digest. Timothy Mungenast responding with one line and quoting an entire post by Ted Killian, whose HTML posts usually have more in the footer than in the topic under discussion (except this time). Kris Hartung now adds pictures to his email with his latest album cover. While this is all well and good for people who are receiving individual emails, it's not really that appropriate for a mailing list. Then there is the occassional HTML which makes the entire digest extremely small and impossible to read without going into my browser preferences and enlarging the text. Myself, I don't care that much whether I get the digests several per day or one per day, it's all the same amount of information to go through. At the same time, I've seen this discussion come up several times and only one person (that I've noticed) has bothered to turn off their HTML within their email program. I don't mean to single anyone out (even though I am), it's an issue that has plagued this list for some time. End of twisted panties alert... Thanks for making efforts to keep this list manageable, Stephen --- Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 06 : Issue 74 > > Today's Topics: > Re: Radio Airplay [was: WAYS TO SELL [ "Timothy Mungenast" X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77E5A3BEE6; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Slimming down the digests Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:43:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Content: cid=309(2.0) =2.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 445, in=202666, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:44:00 +0000 (UTC) OK...me conform and revert to archaic text email from now on, and me use short & truncated caveman words that take up small space and no room for creative communication. K- [insert via imagination picture of CD with a "more info" link to: http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 18:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4812D3BEE2; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004d01c61b97$654b8ea0$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <20060117134105.25714.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: website domains Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:54:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Luis: I use GoDaddy.com's domain and hosting service for John's web site. The service is inexpensive, reliable and easy to use, once you figure it out. For an extra monthly fee, they have a "provided" site builder called WebSite Tonight ver 3.0, whatever that is, but I used MS Frontpage from my home PC, cheap, simple and good enough for what we needed, including mp3 files. - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:41 AM Subject: website domains > Hi gang, > I want to update my website to another domain with a > provided simple program and enough space to post audio > files etc. so i can update it online from everywhere > in the world without having to install a program,ive > been using macromedia dreamweaver but is too much of a > hassle to update everytime. > So key is: > simplicity,nice grafic design,enough webspace for > audio,video,grafics and of course low monthly or > yearly fee.Feel free to give me links of your site and > tell me what you are using as well. > merci! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:01:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A563BEF3; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:59:53 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Improv Looping Performance Streamed to Web Tonight! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43CD3EA9.6000708@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Missed the streamed performance except for the last minute or two and then the post-show ambient audience outro - this midnight-ish here in NY. I was very happy to be able to download the pieces you posted afterwards. My feeling is that the exposition phase of the recorded pieces is completely valid - and does not cry out for editing. From my perspective, I'm as interested in the way the germ of an improv sprouts and blossoms as in the ending. Based on the excerpts this surely must have been a good night, despite your initial feeling that the technical difficulties had torpedoed the evening's offering. Anyway - thanks for providing another loopers' delight. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:47:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 463EC3BEF9; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060117144722.p5sirevtessw0gws@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:47:22 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: streaming performance References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, will you be streaming your next performance? I was only able to catch the last 1/2 hr or so and like the others enjoyed what I was able to catch. Good job! Paul haslem Ontario, Canada ps. great caveman lingo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D38F3BEF8; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nLkt58IKe4bZbK0LQnhSapXj9UuY51uxXb3EPAuvxW8YyhgieI5LYYpSeLiVDfTAQF8FkBEcNP8V+Z9NVFPqwn3ymXURopbPi508QRyehytYy5tBZhkH74/ct3QN1jAUZ3tD5QMzN7YpGyzhIPQ4IgjoXyZv8WtAm6ukGiZnjRg= ; Message-ID: <20060117195103.69312.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Cool interface stuff from Yamaha... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:51:05 +0000 (UTC) http://tinyurl.com/a5xx4 I want this so bad! Not yet for sale the absolute bastards! http://www.yamaha.co.jp/design/tenori-on/ Mark --- Nick Schillace wrote: > Hello- > i just resubscribed after a bit of time away from > the list so if this > topic went around i'm sorry. > > I got a new wholesale catalog from New > Sensor/Electro Harmonix and > noticed that there is a couple of new products > coming out in > Feb/March. Something called the 2880 Super > Multi-Tracker Looper and a > HOG Guitar Synth.Both with optional footswitches. > > Does anyone have any info about these? > > thanks. it's good to be back. > > Nick Schillace > www.nickschillace.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 19:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF01C3BF01; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HGcHmAJHMqqvS58oRUCRMbVnMsfFXqeKv4A6Wgcq3kPPCVxO7/bbO1KETCYouUITdedLDcx/BFPMZuknmjRhcuZRWmqjiTy+5r2uxH6m9vG7B88VTLGLVAIXd/thi4v4l9ulxWrkIds6bqiaxVUUFYYn++r3bwYT8uG364B7tRA= ; Message-ID: <20060117195818.88994.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:58:18 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c61718$12370f10$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:58:19 +0000 (UTC) That sounds like a really great way to get a lot of music made... I shall try something like this tonight. Are you using the looper as the master clock or do you set up something as a metronome first? Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > What I may not have said is that I LOVE > programming beats and > > I totally get a kick out of it... but then all of > the sudden > > the night is gone and I've not touched my guitar > which makes > > me sad. I'm going to try to keep beat production > down to 2 > > nights a week. > > To keep this stuff more time-saving, try this > approach (which was actually a > working technique I was referring to with my > original post that started the > thread): start to play a song. record a loop (say, > with keys or guitar or > voice or percussion drill or whatever you like). Now > program a drum pattern > that fits with it, and have it finished before > listening to the loop gets > boring. (This is a very...relative specification, > but let's say you usually > got like 4 runs of the entire loop, which if it's a > 4-bar loop and you're > programming a 1-bar drum groove, gives you about 16 > bar times to program one > bar. You might skip in a few effects uses, or do > some local reverse actions > on the loop while programming the beats to keep the > loop interesting). Now > you have your drum groove, and can continue playing. > > The idea behind this is that for me, most of the > time when I start playing I > have no idea how exactly the drum groove has to > sound to work well with what > I'm just about to play... > > Rainer > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 17 22:12:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEF8E3BEF7; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:10:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Making Your Own CD/CD Sales/MySpace In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43CD6B73.9060908@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:12:43 +0000 (UTC) eyuhas wrote: > All these threads about releasing CDs, outlets for getting one’s music > out there and CD sales declination has gotten me inspired! > > So, to begin my journey from “bedroom looper” to performing musician, > I put myself on MySpace.com. Hey, it’s a big start for me! > > I’ve also recently begun playing open mikes, and will soon have my > guitar rig racked up and made portable with pedalboards. > > Go here for the link: http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas > > I have three excerpted tunes there to hold me over until my official > website is launched. I have new recording ideas in the works, too. > > I pride myself in the area of playing improvisational and looping > on-the-fly; that way I’m not held to anything! LOL > > Tell me what ya think! I respect any and all opinions from this very > talented, diversified group of loopers. You guys/girls rock! > > Thanks for the continued inspiration… > > Peace. > > Ed in NJ > Hi Ed, Where in NJ are you? Do you know about these events? Electro-music 2006 The Gatherings Gate To Moonbase Alpha Cosmic Coffee House Do you know about these DJs? Me Chuck Van Zyl Dr. Cosmo Start at my events page: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html and visit also: http://electro-music.com Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 02:03:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A91193BEE8; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KopgVeYE584kkb8iE2CGhBAM302f3UcLcUWO745bDPyk1vokwpdzBtq6XziecdRhILzSNqr7ilHnTH/SD+55YtdeG2pXnJ9xfg0pPxuxcMIJNDds5wigpSnyZq1LGtUttTssf9cMN6ZA+admDBt9tcvne/qhCDr38HzOnqDqJbQ= ; Message-ID: <20060118020348.36899.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:03:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Cool interface stuff from Yamaha... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060117195103.69312.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Looks like a Lite-Brite and a Kaos pad spent a little time together unchaperoned! -t- --- mark sottilaro wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/a5xx4 I want this so bad! Not > yet > for sale the absolute bastards! > > http://www.yamaha.co.jp/design/tenori-on/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 02:42:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BEF73BEE0; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060117195103.69312.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060117195103.69312.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:42:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Cool interface stuff from Yamaha... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:42:58 +0000 (UTC) At 11:51 AM -0800 1/17/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/a5xx4 I want this so bad! Not yet >for sale the absolute bastards! > > http://www.yamaha.co.jp/design/tenori-on/ Yeah, I've been drooling over this one for a while now. Everybody else is going crazy over the Jazzmutant Lemur, but I want a Tenori-On! :) From a few months ago, there's an article with links over at CreateDigitalMusic: http://www.createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=721&Itemid=44 , as well as a pointer to another Quicktime of the Tenori-On in action at http://envol.info/iwai.mov . My only concern is that they keep talking about its internal sound-generation engine. I'm afraid that they may finally bring it out as an exclusively self-contained system. I'm sure that would be nice in and of itself, but I'd like to make certain it will interface with my existing gear too. Wonder if there's anything happening with it at NAMM...? --m. -- _______ " I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 03:17:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE2943BEE0; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:17:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Hot Hand... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1uteFB.A.IHH.8MbzDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:17:16 +0000 (UTC) BTW, since alternate controllers and weird effect boxes both come up as a regular topic on the list, here's a pointer to a new piece of gear that's a little of both: http://www.sourceaudio.net/main.php This is essentially a motion sensor shaped somewhat like a ring. It's designed to go on the finger of a guitarist's picking hand, and the position of the sensor can control the filter/wah. It's produced by Source Audio -- a company spun off from Analog Devices -- and uses components developed in collaboration with them. They've got a booth at NAMM (Hall 'E' #1126, for all you lucky b*stards that are gonna be there ;) and projected release is early 2006. MSRP is $299. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 04:21:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F3B3BEEE; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:23:24 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Slimming down the digests In-Reply-To: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:21:45 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, S V G wrote: > As per the recent requests to make the digests come out on a daily > basis, Kim politely suggested that people NOT use HTML in their posts, > and to trim posts according to need. This last post took up a whole > digest. [snip] Some links about why and how to not use HTML in email: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 04:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06BA3BEFE; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029d01c61be9$28f54390$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Slimming down the digests Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:39:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 443, in=198592, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4qjR5D.A.k1B.BaczDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:39:29 +0000 (UTC) I say we all revert back to DOS and 8080/8086 machines, where the format of our boring text emails is at least complementary to our machines. Better yet, let's become real men and women and get servers in our homes with UNIX on them, where we write all our emails in ELMS or edit them in VI. Whoops, sorry....I forgot to use caveman language. I hope the size of this message doesn't offend anyone.... :) K- [insert via imagination picture of CD with a "more info" link to: http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus] ----- Original Message ----- [cut to save a few bits] > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, S V G wrote: >> As per the recent requests to make the digests come out on a daily >> basis, Kim politely suggested that people NOT use HTML in their posts, [cut to save a few more bits...hopefully save the technological world as we know it] > Some links about why and how to not use HTML in email: > > http://www.expita.com/nomime.html > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html [cut...sorry, no bandwidth for your name] From LucyCornell@lovechat.biz Wed Jan 18 05:30:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 221-134-21-204.sify.net (unknown [221.134.21.204]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DC3163BEC7 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Hz6@localhost by r2o1.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:37:45 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Rowena Sheldon" Reply-To: "Rowena Sheldon" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Photoshop CS2 9.0 $69.95 AutoCAD Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:39:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: LucyCornell@lovechat.biz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--2199166353815699932" 9Vql ----2199166353815699932 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i
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----2199166353815699932-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 08:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150FD3BEF0; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "1000times" To: Subject: RE : website domains Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:46:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c61c0b$aeb9fbc0$e19f9d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20060117134105.25714.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1O_HGD.A.0fC.xBgzDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis,=20 these guys : http://www.siteground.com/index.htm=20 have an offer which sounded interesting to me; I don't use them because my french ISP offers 100 megs + PHP MySQL + unliomited extra emails for free but otherwise I'd check the guys above cheers Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : mardi 17 janvier 2006 14:41 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : website domains Hi gang, I want to update my website to another domain with a provided simple program and enough space to post audio files etc. so i can update it online from everywhere in the world without having to install a program,ive been using macromedia dreamweaver but is too much of a hassle to update everytime. So key is:=20 simplicity,nice grafic design,enough webspace for audio,video,grafics and of course low monthly or yearly fee.Feel free to give me links of your site and tell me what you are using as well. merci! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 09:28:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B0743BEF0; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <029d01c61be9$28f54390$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <029d01c61be9$28f54390$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:28:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: [LOOP] Slimming down the digests Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Hey -- watch it buddy! I vaguely resemble this email!!! ;) At 9:39 PM -0700 1/17/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >I say we all revert back to DOS and 8080/8086 machines, where the >format of our boring text emails is at least complementary to our >machines. Well, FWIW some of my fondest Internet experiences involve telnetting into the text-only interfaces of Mindvox and The Well. This is when a 2400 baud modem was speedy. And, the most ironic thing is that through a vt100 term, 2400 baud *is* pretty speedy. Go figure. >Better yet, let's become real men and women and get servers in our >homes with UNIX on them, I'm sitting here on a Powerbook running OSX. This *is* a Unix server. I've also got an Ultra 5 and a couple of Fujitsu clones running Solaris out in the dining room, if that's what you mean. Oh, and a coupla Caldera and Red Hat boxes in storage. Um, and a old DEC Alpha around here somewhere (unfortunately, no OSF1 however; Red Hat again), and BeOS should probably count too... >where we write all our emails in ELMS or edit them in VI. No problems with elm -- or pine for that matter -- but pico is easier to work with than vi for straight text editing... >Whoops, sorry....I forgot to use caveman language. I hope the size >of this message doesn't offend anyone.... :) You speak caveman, me speak g33k. :) --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 10:13:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E7EA3BEF3; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:13:00 +0100 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1091918986.20060118111300@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: Re[2]: [LOOP] Slimming down the digests In-Reply-To: References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <029d01c61be9$28f54390$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:13:33 +0000 (UTC) m> Well, FWIW some of my fondest Internet experiences involve telnetting m> into the text-only interfaces of Mindvox and The Well. This is when m> a 2400 baud modem was speedy. And, the most ironic thing is that m> through a vt100 term, 2400 baud *is* pretty speedy. Go figure. serious: today a lot is spoken about making internet accessible for people with disabilities etc. but it's often forgotten that there are huge areas where DSL and cable is not standard and most(!) of the sites are not accessible in big parts of the world. I had some work with African musicians (I mean Africans living in Africa) and I have seen the Internet-connection of the band leader who was the "tech guy" of the band. I think it was around 8 people sharing a 2400 Baud modem for a connection which disconnected every 3-5 minutes and was unable to reestablish for hours. Trying to open some sites was just a ridiculous attempt. But for them email and a website that could be viewd by other people in their country was essential. So if you want your websites to be accessible by a few 100 millions more think about the technology you use. 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We don't tolerate UCE of any kind. Please report it ASAP to abuse@smtp.com (sender ID is 1125789) Message-ID: <43CE157B.3090004@iinet.net.au> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:16:27 +0900 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slimming down the digests References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <97iEVC.A.FlG.BWhzDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Kris, perhaps you are conscious of the irony that your post is, in fact, very creative, and of course, concise! Brevity is revered by both wit and poetry... regards michael j noble Kris Hartung wrote: > OK...me conform and revert to archaic text email from now on, and me > use short & truncated caveman words that take up small space and no > room for creative communication. > > K- > > [insert via imagination picture of CD with a "more info" link to: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus] > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 12:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F19B3BEF3; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43CE157B.3090004@iinet.net.au> References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43CE157B.3090004@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <989CFCF0-0FC6-4276-85AC-99E4065635B5@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Slimming down the digests Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:18:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:18:50 +0000 (UTC) I've never seen the digest version but I would gladly miss out on pictures and alternative fonts sizes to help those poor "digesters". And as long as posts bring interesting content I don't mind some Cave Man Talking either ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 12:51:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7953BF02; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f001c61c2d$dd189680$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <015501c61b95$f7ab17e0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43CE157B.3090004@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: Slimming down the digests Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:51:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 109, in=64910, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely. I'm full of irony and humor these days. :-) Or perhaps I should say, half of what I say is sincere and accurate...the other half is complete bullshit. I'll let you readers decide which half. Heh heh....that's a variated and blatent rip-off of a John Lennon quote. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mjnoble" > Kris, > > perhaps you are conscious of the irony that your post is, in fact, very > creative, and of course, concise! Brevity is revered by both wit and > poetry... > > regards > > michael j noble > > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> OK...me conform and revert to archaic text email from now on, and me use >> short & truncated caveman words that take up small space and no room for >> creative communication. >> >> K- >> >> [insert via imagination picture of CD with a "more info" link to: >> http://www.krispenhartung.com/xperimentus] >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 13:08:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E463BEEE; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f901c61c30$49ee74d0$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060117175035.91189.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <029d01c61be9$28f54390$bdb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: [LOOP] Slimming down the digests Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:08:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 446, in=214201, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Okay, GREP this..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" > Well, FWIW some of my fondest Internet experiences involve telnetting into > the text-only interfaces of Mindvox and The Well. This is when a 2400 > baud modem was speedy. And, the most ironic thing is that through a vt100 > term, 2400 baud *is* pretty speedy. Go figure. I remember that too. Of course, I was working for HP at the time and I was able to do that via a T1 connection, but I do remember the text-only, command driven interface. Our email program at the time was also text-only. Things have sure changed. I'm glad. I hated the text-only, command driven systems. When it comes to computers, I am a blended learner/user - graphics + text. I need both to keep my interest and motivation up. >>Better yet, let's become real men and women and get servers in our homes >>with UNIX on them, > > I'm sitting here on a Powerbook running OSX. This *is* a Unix server. Well, I was thinking of something that I used to have sitting in my cube at HP when I worked in engineering, like an HP9000 series with all the bells and whisles, about a $9K machine at the time I think, sitting right between my legs. :) Those machines have chunks of Powerbooks in their stools. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 14:09:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB1A3BEFB; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NR8CZWl1GBQeoYISneD7PIfm98INF2As5XPZazlOklxSBOR+1Ld8U6K9KOqSyFSSM4zl+nZOnXRXFQ9+QB3KV9abSHJTijjqeKZwO4TftUV4To4rQViKkbwiG+kmsuHolN7WvCdOwbHHR3ZT01SZYY7Q7l/q+1wCAlNxy8PxQ7Q= ; Message-ID: <20060118140911.86595.qmail@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Today is "Run Your Anti-virus Software Day" To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:09:13 +0000 (UTC) because one of you has cooties! I've just had three emails (with attachments) from "Loopers-Delight-request" hit my mailbox. If you don't have av software, you can get it for free at http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 15:30:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5B63BF01; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060118140911.86595.qmail@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060118140911.86595.qmail@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <970ACC1C-12D1-4EF3-88BF-2A847A026EE4@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Today is "Run Your Anti-virus Software Day" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:30:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: jeff@zonemobius.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4WxzYD.A.DH.e8lzDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:30:39 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 18, 2006, at 8:09 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > because one of you has cooties! > > I've just had three emails (with attachments) from > "Loopers-Delight-request" hit my mailbox. > > If you don't have av software, you can get it for free > at http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 . > If you're talking about Avast, I don't trust it. Avast has been claiming there is a "trojan" in the Mobius installer for months, yet oddly enough neither Norton, McAfee, or any of the other major virus scanners finds anything. The installer itself is built by the wildly popular NullSoft Installation System. Someone posted on a KVR forum that the last release of Avast suddenly discovered a "trojan" in Adobe Acrobat. I strongly suspect whatever it is finding in LD emails is a false alarm. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 18 15:33:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7807C3BF0E; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:33:49 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Today is "Run Your Anti-virus Software Day" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3D3B60FA.7B1EC393.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:33:56 +0000 (UTC) By the URL, I think he's meaning AVG Free Edition. I use that and it was quite happy with Mobius. As am I, after a quick shot with it a couple of nights ago :) - Tony Jeffrey Larson wrote: >On Jan 18, 2006, at 8:09 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > >> because one of you has cooties! >> >> I've just had three emails (with attachments) from >> "Loopers-Delight-request" hit my mailbox. >> >> If you don't have av software, you can get it for free >> at http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 . >> > >If you're talking about Avast, I don't trust it. Avast has been >claiming there is a "trojan" >in the Mobius installer for months, yet oddly enough neither Norton, >McAfee, or any >of the other major virus scanners finds anything. The installer >itself is built by >the wildly popular NullSoft Installation System. Someone posted on a >KVR forum >that the last release of Avast suddenly discovered a "trojan" in >Adobe Acrobat. I strongly >suspect whatever it is finding in LD emails is a false alarm. > >Jeff > > -- ------------------------------------------ Fave recent sig : Re-defeat Bush in '04 ! __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. 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Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Robert Fripp US tour Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Thought I'd mention that Robert Fripp is making a short tour of the US in late February through early March. I'll report back after seeing the show as to what looping devices I notice as being present on stage. http://www.dgmlive.com/tour.htm (Thanks to Suit&Tie Guy for the URL.) best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 02:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3FD3BEF5; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:32:19 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Robert Fripp US tour MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7054DE49.2A621836.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 84.66.35.251 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:32:27 +0000 (UTC) A photo of Robert's current rig is in his diary here : http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=&show=&member=3&entry=2751 Whether this is what will be used in the US is up for debate - the rig seems to have been changing a bit recently. No TC2290s in there anymore - looks like pretty much all Eventide and a Roland GP100 preamp. This rig is called "Solar Voyager 1.2". Anybody else out there have names (and indeed version numbers) for their setup ? (Apart from the usual "work you ba@!?%d", that is.) - Tony burnett@pobox.com wrote: >Thought I'd mention that Robert Fripp is making a short tour of the US >in late February through early March. I'll report back after seeing the >show as to what looping devices I notice as being present on stage. > >http://www.dgmlive.com/tour.htm > >(Thanks to Suit&Tie Guy for the URL.) > >best, >Steve B >http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > -- ------------------------------------------ Fave recent sig : Re-defeat Bush in '04 ! __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! 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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 109, in=65707, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone or texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than that. Even if the program generated random single note lines with a half-way appealing tone, I'd be happy. I want to collaborate with a machine. Damn humans are annoying. ;) Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 05:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03093BF02; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:25:29 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Call for Participation To: Analogue Heaven Hyperreal Mailing List , Loopers Delight Mailing List , "ampfea.org music-bar" , AIMusic Yahoogroup Message-id: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Forwarded because I care! Cheers, Bill Fox ============= electro-music 2006(TM) is a three day international conference/music festival to be held at the Cheltenham Art Center in Philadelphia, June 2 - 4, 2006. The program will include lectures, demos, jam sessions, and concerts. The scope of this festival is very broad, covering all aspects of electro-music, experimental electronic music, including circuit bending, computer music, electro-jazz, modular synthesis, musique concrete, improvisation, noodles (generative music, automatic and algorithmic composition), multi-media, visual art and much more. The focus will be on participant involvement, sharing, community development, audience education, and great music. Electro-music.com is an international community of composers and musicians who share a passion for electro-music. The community exists to create its own critical mass; to enable its members to develop music on their own terms. Electro-music is new music; still undefined; happening all over our planet. Electro-music is the natural result of two techno/social trends: the availability of low-cost powerful electronic music technology, and the communication revolution enabled by the internet. Electro-music is not defined by a particular style or sound, but by its primary motivation; the joy of creation, and the love of electronic sounds; it crosses many genres. For more information visit the event's web site. The Cheltenham Art Center has two galleries and a performance hall that will be available for three days. (see: ). Participation can consist of lectures, talks, tutorials, demos, performances, robotic sculpture, presentations, concerts, automatic music, or other appropriate expression. If you would like to contribute to electro-music 2006 then send a description of what you would like to do to . Please provide links or attachments (images or mp3 files) that illustrate what you would do at the event. Send media or physical material to: electro-music.com 944 Flexer Avenue Allentown, PA 18103 USA If you are submitting music, please indicate if you'd be interested in allowing your music to be used in a compilation CD project to be used to promote and support electro-music 2006 and electro-music.com. We have prepared the following guideline documents: For speakers - For performers - For demos - electro-music 2006 is more of a meeting or a community experience than a show. As such, all of the participants and performers share in the expenses. Thus, in order to make the experience as fulfilling as possible, we expect everyone to register and pay for the full three days of the event. The deadline for submissions is February 28, 2006. We will respond to all entrants by March 15, 2006, or before. The tickets page is at . $60.00 ($54.00) - 3 Day Pass - electro-music 2006 $25.00 ($22.50) - Single day pass - electro-music 2006 $20.00 ($18.00) - Single evening concert ticket - electo-music 2006 Howard Moscovitz Greg Waltzer co-chairs: electro-music 2006 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 06:19:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB0E3BF0E; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "JP Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:19:22 -0700 Message-Id: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050627 X-OriginatingIP: 24.81.151.248 (swirlee) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Guys n Gals, Here is -New music made the open-source way. -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source live looper project. Please visit: http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net Cheers, -JP Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 07:27:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3A323BEF1; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4nQ+2becygV9oKrVQFyuzczB18kXkDPoHt2qf88440YlNYUM8s2A5npi0aqXcJmqcJMCb4S2b8IZVvSMkv3HBU7Jh/jd3YD3Tk4esSpuMwBMA+3mKtDnd6H6Go5pzRTzEbE7AcJl5qVKq9GT37OfIHt44HW/vMOUYZ8ogJBHkWo= ; Message-ID: <20060119072707.7139.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Robert Fripp US tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7054DE49.2A621836.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2UCakB.A.gTG.N9zzDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:27:09 +0000 (UTC) i am curious about his synth pickup...cant really see here, is he using the standard GK-2 or RMCs? --- Tony Douglas wrote: > A photo of Robert's current rig is in his diary here > : > > http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=&show=&member=3&entry=2751 > > Whether this is what will be used in the US is up > for debate - the rig seems to have been changing a > bit recently. No TC2290s in there anymore - looks > like pretty much all Eventide and a Roland GP100 > preamp. > > This rig is called "Solar Voyager 1.2". Anybody else > out there have names (and indeed version numbers) > for their setup ? (Apart from the usual "work you > ba@!?%d", that is.) > > - Tony > > burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > >Thought I'd mention that Robert Fripp is making a > short tour of the US > >in late February through early March. I'll report > back after seeing the > >show as to what looping devices I notice as being > present on stage. > > > >http://www.dgmlive.com/tour.htm > > > >(Thanks to Suit&Tie Guy for the URL.) > > > >best, > >Steve B > >http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------ > Fave recent sig : > Re-defeat Bush in '04 ! > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those > annoying pop-ups. > Download now at > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 09:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 006B43BEFB; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:23:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:23:24 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jan 2006, at 06.22, Kris Hartung wrote: > Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random =20 > tone or texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but =20 > simpler than that. Even if the program generated random single note =20= > lines with a half-way appealing tone, I'd be happy. Pluggo has "The Light Organ" for random visual texture. As most cool =20 Pluggo's it's signed jhno ;-) Another Pluggo, that generates random =20 audio texture, is "Feedback Network". There are also lots granular =20 Pluggos that will mash up the input audio in a way that gives a =20 random impression (exmple "Granular To Go", "Speed Shifter", "Rye"). Another cool technique with M=F6bius (that I'm just exploring for =20 surround multimedia) is to create a bunch of empty loop on parallel =20 tracks. Then you mark them all as Select Focus, so any looping action =20= will affect all loops. Make sure no loops are the same length and =20 start to Subst Insert snippets into them. Inserted audio snippets =20 will loop back in different rhythm because the loops are not of equal =20= length. Set "Expert Mode" and Alt Feedback to 70%. As you play along, =20= instantly inserting new snippets, a texture will grow around you. Use =20= the "Maximum Undo" in the Preset window to control how dense you want =20= the texture to be (I use "5" as a starting point). As you play you =20 can adjust the Alt Feedback level to control how grainy or smooth the =20= texture will be. Jumping between octaves and reversing can make it =20 even more exciting; you may need to set up some buttons or pedals to =20 target each loop/track individually for Speed and Reverse. > I want to collaborate with a machine. Damn humans are annoying. ;) Borgs will enjoy your human touch as truly experimental ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 09:52:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2893E3BEFA; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060119072707.7139.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060119072707.7139.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1461a3a9639928100233e6e841470c22@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Robert Fripp US tour Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:52:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:52:11 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > i am curious about his synth pickup...cant really see > here, is he using the standard GK-2 or RMCs? what are/is RMCs? i would venture to bet it's nothing unusual other than being mounted in the guitar. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From conklin@jjjones.com Thu Jan 19 09:53:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from host49-213.pool8255.interbusiness.it (host49-213.pool8255.interbusiness.it [82.55.213.49]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 839563BEEA; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.0] ([82.55.213.49]) by msn.com (Sendmail 8.7.3) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYT44100 for <3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:53:27 -0600 Message-ID: <205t557k.9479854@msn.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=workaday; d=msn.com; b=JwzlA4BPAf6PinjcQFApL2jfLHEiPBPuKe7geastM2T1ABi6IpAgrYwHcV48IMgpUxTfvskjraKl3pL1; X-Display: Full X-List: catchy.usenet Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:53:27 -0600 From: "Dionne Bean" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pre-approved Application #3394243 Thu, 19 Jan 2006 03:53:27 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_20997394==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_20997394==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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IWqL+9iCBs6Y3p0nUq6o0mqOl7zJvCzg5prFg8U3vvKdL33ra9/74kxPmt0vf/vr3/8COMAC zm8IAAA7 --------------AttPart_20997394==.OLA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 10:02:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB5C43BEF6; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c61cdf$334ce540$f3a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: Call for Participation Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:00:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <4VYVkD.A.pQD.IP2zDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:02:48 +0000 (UTC) You could count me in... if it wasn´t held on the other side of The Big Pond :-/. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Now available: "Hoellenengel" -- the new album by Stephen Parsick. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fox To: Analogue Heaven Hyperreal Mailing List ; Loopers Delight Mailing List ; ampfea.org music-bar ; AIMusic Yahoogroup Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Call for Participation > Forwarded because I care! > > Cheers, > > Bill Fox > ============= > electro-music 2006(TM) is a three day international conference/music > festival to be held at the Cheltenham Art Center in Philadelphia, June 2 > - 4, 2006. The program will include lectures, demos, jam sessions, and > concerts. > > The scope of this festival is very broad, covering all aspects of > electro-music, experimental electronic music, including circuit bending, > computer music, electro-jazz, modular synthesis, musique concrete, > improvisation, noodles (generative music, automatic and algorithmic > composition), multi-media, visual art and much more. The focus will be > on participant involvement, sharing, community development, audience > education, and great music. > > Electro-music.com is an international community of composers and > musicians who share a passion for electro-music. The community exists to > create its own critical mass; to enable its members to develop music on > their own terms. Electro-music is new music; still undefined; happening > all over our planet. Electro-music is the natural result of two > techno/social trends: the availability of low-cost powerful electronic > music technology, and the communication revolution enabled by the > internet. Electro-music is not defined by a particular style or sound, > but by its primary motivation; the joy of creation, and the love of > electronic sounds; it crosses many genres. For more information visit > the event's web site. > > > The Cheltenham Art Center has two galleries and a performance hall that > will be available for three days. (see: > ). > > Participation can consist of lectures, talks, tutorials, demos, > performances, robotic sculpture, presentations, concerts, automatic > music, or other appropriate expression. If you would like to contribute > to electro-music 2006 then send a description of what you would like to > do to . Please provide links or attachments > (images or mp3 files) that illustrate what you would do at the event. > Send media or physical material to: > > electro-music.com > 944 Flexer Avenue > Allentown, PA 18103 > USA > > If you are submitting music, please indicate if you'd be interested in > allowing your music to be used in a compilation CD project to be used to > promote and support electro-music 2006 and electro-music.com. > > We have prepared the following guideline documents: > For speakers - > For performers - > For demos - > > electro-music 2006 is more of a meeting or a community experience than a > show. As such, all of the participants and performers share in the > expenses. Thus, in order to make the experience as fulfilling as > possible, we expect everyone to register and pay for the full three days > of the event. The deadline for submissions is February 28, 2006. We will > respond to all entrants by March 15, 2006, or before. > > The tickets page is at > . > $60.00 ($54.00) - 3 Day Pass - electro-music 2006 > $25.00 ($22.50) - Single day pass - electro-music 2006 > $20.00 ($18.00) - Single evening concert ticket - electo-music 2006 > > Howard Moscovitz > Greg Waltzer > co-chairs: electro-music 2006 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 11:06:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC3943BEF4; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:06:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcYc2gDj/o/Y00HaQwm0nNUOhpNrjgADhWeg Message-Id: <20060119110643.1D36E3BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Ableton Live has a cool random midi plugin. I don't know about audio = though. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: 19 January 2006 09:23 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators On 19 jan 2006, at 06.22, Kris Hartung wrote: > Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone=20 > or texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than=20 > that. Even if the program generated random single note lines with a=20 > half-way appealing tone, I'd be happy. Pluggo has "The Light Organ" for random visual texture. As most cool Pluggo's it's signed jhno ;-) Another Pluggo, that generates random = audio texture, is "Feedback Network". There are also lots granular Pluggos = that will mash up the input audio in a way that gives a random impression = (exmple "Granular To Go", "Speed Shifter", "Rye"). Another cool technique with M=F6bius (that I'm just exploring for = surround multimedia) is to create a bunch of empty loop on parallel tracks. Then = you mark them all as Select Focus, so any looping action will affect all = loops. Make sure no loops are the same length and start to Subst Insert = snippets into them. Inserted audio snippets will loop back in different rhythm because the loops are not of equal length. Set "Expert Mode" and Alt Feedback to 70%. As you play along, instantly inserting new snippets, a texture will grow around you. Use the "Maximum Undo" in the Preset = window to control how dense you want the texture to be (I use "5" as a starting point). As you play you can adjust the Alt Feedback level to control how grainy or smooth the texture will be. Jumping between octaves and = reversing can make it even more exciting; you may need to set up some buttons or pedals to target each loop/track individually for Speed and Reverse. > I want to collaborate with a machine. Damn humans are annoying. ;) Borgs will enjoy your human touch as truly experimental ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 11:13:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 340C93BEFE; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> References: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50EED69F-A733-4F87-A3ED-40F0D5F23452@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Call for Participation Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:12:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:13:00 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jan 2006, at 06.25, Bill Fox wrote: > For more information visit the event's web site. > This looks very cool! But why don't they pay performers and speakers? If they did that they might be able to pull off a better program. How are they going to sell people tickets to "go and see amateurs that love what they do so much that they do it for free and as a result force themselves into keeping another job that in fact prevents them from becoming really good"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 11:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4543BF0D; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:24:19 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Message-id: <43CF76E3.4020801@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:26:08 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Parallel Worlds (Athens Greece). The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Far Away Light" on Shima Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Fourth World Vol. 1 - Possible Musics" by Jon Hassel and Brian Eno on Editions EG Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 13:34:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D3A3BEFF; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=W/qhOPvsIagYhS9zTuTqmdKsFTRQcbWrery2XZ9Viut3/HvTjLVHG/B9sC+c04+DM/A4to5Mk2yByO6dtkMmYRqXjYwROlI37OaghHRTeS+3rzVd3O+UtZxcvZQug2g5c6umG/jKFn7xA6Io3sNwpmHJ3t+4rRa4BkwMuRFC89k= ; Message-ID: <20060119133421.14425.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Robert Fripp US tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1461a3a9639928100233e6e841470c22@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:34:22 +0000 (UTC) they are hi-end under saddle hex pickups usually found on instruments like the Godins,brian moores and other guitars,they are supposed to track flawlessly,i would be interested in knowing how big of a difference they make compared to the normal mounted GK-2,anyone? --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > i am curious about his synth pickup...cant really > see > > here, is he using the standard GK-2 or RMCs? > > what are/is RMCs? > > i would venture to bet it's nothing unusual other > than being mounted in > the guitar. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 14:25:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10853BEFC; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f501c61d04$3a6e7530$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:25:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 447, in=204092, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Any plans for making this available on XP? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "JP Mercury" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 > Hey Guys n Gals, > > Here is > -New music made the open-source way. > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source live > looper project. > > Please visit: > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > Cheers, > -JP Mercury > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 14:50:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813EF3BF07; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:50:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 110, in=65803, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:50:54 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > Pluggo has "The Light Organ" for random visual texture. Hmmm...I should have this then...I'll check. > As most cool Pluggo's it's signed jhno ;-) Another Pluggo, that generates > random audio texture, is "Feedback Network". Oh yes, this is my favorite. I use it all of the time...hence the comments about insect sounds from my Y2K5 and past broadcast performances. I love this plugin. Sometimes it can get out of control! > There are also lots granular Pluggos that will mash up the input audio in > a way that gives a random impression (exmple "Granular To Go", "Speed Shifter", "Rye"). I have all of these too. Rye is great. I'll check out the other repsonses to my request. I'm still looking for a simple program that produces just random notes. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9A363BF12; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060119151933140.222931C0013A@mwinf1202.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43CFADFF.5050500@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:19:27 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Continuum Looping at NAMM References: <00af01c5ff9f$ce2b3bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000b01c61b0c$c3054da0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <9c244d42497e2ab053c7320fef0390ef@bluecocoa.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9c244d42497e2ab053c7320fef0390ef@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:19:35 +0000 (UTC) geoff smith wrote: > Thats a really interesting controller, in fact one of the most > interesting things I have seen in a while > wish I was going to be there to try it. The continuum is the most interesting controler I have ever touched, every year Carla Scarletti and Kurt Hebel, the makers of the Kyma/Capybara, stop by here and bring their continuum. I can then play around (till I'm able to afford one for myself). Its expensive but probably worth it. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:30:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33513BF1B; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43CFB0FF.8040103@cabq.gov> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0700 From: Jason Fink User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Call for Participation References: <20060119112609.6884D3BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060119112609.6884D3BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:30:22 +0000 (UTC) hey, just a second.... it is definitely not my job that is keeping me from being "really good", it is simply my own clodish ineptness that is the big stumbling block. I wish I could blame that on something like my job! -jas albuquerque >> * How are they going to sell people tickets to "go and see amateurs >> that love what they do so much that they do it for free and as a >> result force themselves into keeping another job that in fact >> prevents them from becoming really good"? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> Per Boysen >> * > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E71FC3BF19; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:40:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:40:23 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jan 2006, at 15.50, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm still looking for a simple program that produces just random > notes. KOAN! http://www.sseyo.com This seems to be a very interesting Windows software for generative music. I have kept it on my to-check-out-asap list for more than two years while only having access to Apple machines. AFAIR it's not interactive, but what the heck - that's what we humans are supposed to bring on! ;-)) Any one here on LD that use Koan? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9723BF1F; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004c01c61d0f$38c33530$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:39:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey, For pseudo random fun-ness I like FMusic which is a Fractal/Cellular MIDI generator. Run the output to your VST host and plug in a cool VSTi and you are set. You can guide it by setting how the random events trigger MIDI events. It gets pretty weird sometimes, but once in a while really really interesting things happen. http://www.fractal-vibes.com/fm/ Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Random Tone/Texture Generators > Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone or > texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than that. > Even if the program generated random single note lines with a half-way > appealing tone, I'd be happy. I want to collaborate with a machine. Damn > humans are annoying. ;) > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 15:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C6AF3BF14; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012601c61d11$11f3d5c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:57:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 447, in=215161, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Interesting. Koan X feature: Create new random mixes And you can use your own MP3 or wav files. I could sample my own guitar for sounds, or anything. This version is not that expensive either. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators > On 19 jan 2006, at 15.50, Kris Hartung wrote: >> I'm still looking for a simple program that produces just random notes. > > KOAN! http://www.sseyo.com > > This seems to be a very interesting Windows software for generative > music. I have kept it on my to-check-out-asap list for more than two > years while only having access to Apple machines. AFAIR it's not > interactive, but what the heck - that's what we humans are supposed to > bring on! ;-)) > > Any one here on LD that use Koan? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From haven@hyvee.com Thu Jan 19 18:13:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from c92c0387.sts.virtua.com.br (c92c0387.sts.virtua.com.br [201.44.3.135]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FF6D3BEEE; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from tomcat@localhost) by 201.44.3.135 (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j5CHmn5V605705 for 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0600 Message-ID: <889c730k.0278362@207.228.238.36> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:13:01 -0600 From: "Earlene Juarez" X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.424 (Entity 5.602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Spam-Score: (-2.107) BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 201.44.3.135 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.963481, File::Scan 0.33, Archive::Zip 1.01 X-Recipient: <3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Your account #644414455 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_85699996==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_85699996==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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b=e6nomaz/aVlRt6jjP4ER1qGnz48YazneIbTfBZ1ZvFnaZw3agIFvoVlS7bMwq29NkF0SEYO1ENeuDgGCB8m6mkHcdDgADplMGBkpmA+w9HmtxQIoIrtD3QJ/JFoo5ID7EQA1kk7tzMAr2cZ0RwGKloQxIleqSyGt+1y8qK+kpQ0= ; Message-ID: <20060119182408.93411.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: RMC was: Robert Fripp US tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060119112609.537DB3BF14@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:24:09 +0000 (UTC) RMC stands for Richard McClish, who currently makes the RMC hex pickup, standard in many of the Godin guitars. Stephen what are/is RMCs? i would venture to bet it's nothing unusual other than being mounted in the guitar. --- Eric Williamson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:35:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3BE3BF1C; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FkzW0412TR+YGDHnx/aE/aVbqaDl4c+W1yojk772cxOBIzBPMMFd/qA3AYgrN2cENcGH/ZJNXJQVhZp7viVRZ6nKTz05krHtJLW1m0yOCmcOvQQSDCOP9urTqJAItCfYbgqy1WqZ7vs+5VIM18tH7VGGCnYd9qDzW5tcNT/KpZI= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601191035m892c497le6d35a8b6a2615e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:35:55 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Very nice looking code! Good style I have a Linux machine here but unfortunately my sound card doesn't work under my current installation (and it's a work machine so the incentive for me to fix it when I won't be working on sound things here is very small...) It makes me want to turn the Windows box I have gathering dust at home into a Linux box just to run this. I don't suppose you have plans to port this to OS/X? I wish I could volunteer but I know I don't have the time... (you might be interested in http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/scoped_ptr.htm and http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/scoped_array.htm to simplify your memory management a trifle.) On 1/19/06, JP Mercury wrote: > Hey Guys n Gals, > > Here is > -New music made the open-source way. > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source liv= e > looper project. > > Please visit: > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > Cheers, > -JP Mercury > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA583BF0A; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:56:39 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001f01c61d2a$14ba6670$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060117195818.88994.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYboF1CGKs7BNDZQhmgAT9ZL9l/mQBiTAqA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:56:47 +0000 (UTC) In my current prototyping setup, Ableton Live is the master, so no possibility to sync the drums to a loop. The only thing that's possible apart from playing to a metronome (or to a drum pattern set up before I start playing), although it won't be possible to do, say, mainstream = R'n'B tunes like this, is to have a loop running (say in an unsynced instance = of Mobius) and then start Live without caring about clock relationships ;-) > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Januar 2006 20:58 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer >=20 > That sounds like a really great way to get a lot of music=20 > made... I shall try something like this tonight. > Are you using the looper as the master clock or do you set=20 > up something as a metronome first? >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > [about real-time drum programming] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 18:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6013BF1D; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=fSvR+9tRhpn8BQw5K/hQ/3iqVkG+5hSZ9o8TVGpg6md+qMpzc03rUK2SN6R4g/QMCaTYTt7IbxCYCt/5Tyojmixro+Tr/4cEG0Qd4UM00PXOblikswuqmzA/gOV3ZooWNyUgEN1JUD1ihrqDziJYK/Mnc6y0Bje14d8KDqHW7eI= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: RMC was: Robert Fripp US tour Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:58:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20060119182408.93411.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYdJYsF/XMS+axjSOKij1B4GPqe1wABHCSg Message-Id: <20060119185833.BE2243BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Don't take it as gospel, but I own what might be considered one of the sisters of Fripp's Fernandez LP and I'm pretty sure his (like mine) has a Kahler trem and a Roland pickup. m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 19:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB653BF21; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WWt15iIv3v08C8eK95OfhlsXil1+OzylWCMPoe8HAZMvixSZoZA+6zMDokJ6837gKQJsHYBxvgSOTpMb8g1bzm76sMEe6uSc1LOKhkrc/RhC6fRtBgFciM2SBZZUtKLJrMe8l6woV0cXCmFa1EkapGgET7PKRqOKouXzQHC2Vnc= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601191136g437d8971w3b8ebf86f70a8615@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:36:17 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robert Fripp US tour In-Reply-To: <1461a3a9639928100233e6e841470c22@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119072707.7139.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> <1461a3a9639928100233e6e841470c22@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:36:19 +0000 (UTC) On 1/19/06, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > i am curious about his synth pickup...cant really see > > here, is he using the standard GK-2 or RMCs? > > what are/is RMCs? http://www.rmcpickup.com/ Most commonly found on Godin or Brian Moore guitars. They office vastly improved tracking performance over the Roland GK-2 (IMHO, of course). D (with a GK-2 equipped Gretsch, and two RMC equipped Godins, one fretted one fretless) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 19:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00C183BF2D; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: RMC was: Robert Fripp US tour Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c61d31$04694a50$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYdJYsF/XMS+axjSOKij1B4GPqe1wABHCSgAAGpKDA= In-Reply-To: <20060119185833.BE2243BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:19 +0000 (UTC) >From what I see, it is an internally mounted GK pickup (GK-Kit), not RMCs in Fripp's guitars. I don't think RMC makes saddles for Kahlers. I have used both, and I will say RMCs track considerably better, and have the added advantage of a piezo-acoustic-like output, which sounds great in a solidbody guitar. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > Don't take it as gospel, but I own what might be considered > one of the sisters of Fripp's Fernandez LP and I'm pretty > sure his (like mine) has a Kahler trem and a Roland pickup. > > m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 21:48:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6ED3BF0F; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D00A3C.5020105@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:53:00 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp fs References: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> <26ba8d120601191035m892c497le6d35a8b6a2615e7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601191035m892c497le6d35a8b6a2615e7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) http://portland.craigslist.org/msg/126738498.html ( *http://tinyurl.com/9sg4z )* Oberheim Echoplex digital pro for $500. I have no association with seller...I just saw the ad here in Portland Oregon. -David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 21:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07743BF13; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:50:44 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Robert Fripp US tour In-reply-to: <353e2ed80601191136g437d8971w3b8ebf86f70a8615@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002501c61d42$66478cd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4NfRvD.A.s9C.tlA0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Just my usual nitpicking, but we all know that pickups don't "track", right? The RMCs supposedly provide a cleaner (and maybe more separated) signal to the pitch-to-MIDI converter (e.g. GR33 or whatever), and that latter device is the thing that actually tracks the playing. And, also, "tracks flawlessly" is impossible. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Robert Fripp US tour > > > On 1/19/06, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > i am curious about his synth pickup...cant really see > > > here, is he using the standard GK-2 or RMCs? > > > > what are/is RMCs? > > http://www.rmcpickup.com/ > > Most commonly found on Godin or Brian Moore guitars. > > They office vastly improved tracking performance over the > Roland GK-2 (IMHO, of course). > > D > (with a GK-2 equipped Gretsch, and two RMC equipped Godins, > one fretted one fretless) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 22:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8740E3BF23; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:10:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Per, > Any one here on LD that use Koan? Yep. Sadly KoanPro has not been actively developed for over five years now but it's definitely still worth checking out. It's a very deep programme. And it is most definitely interactive - at least it can react in a greater or lesser degree to midi input. But it has one major weakness: no midi clock sync. Avoid Koan-X, though. It's an uninteresting toy, IMO, and can only be used to 'remix' prebuilt Koan content. The interface was mildly amusing in 1997, but is beginning to look a little dated ... There are a few programmes vaguely similar to Koan that are still more or less active: http://geneticmusic.com http://www.artsong.org http://www.hardnote.com -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:02:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F183BF08; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d001c61d4c$767c5ea0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002501c61d42$66478cd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: Robert Fripp US tour Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:02:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 448, in=215633, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:02:55 +0000 (UTC) I used to have the RMC system, custom built into a Gibson ES-335, and worked directly with my luthier and Richard himself to get it working. I had the Roland hex pickup before that. I could tell a major difference in tracking, or whatever you want to call it (string plucking to synth response time?). One reason is that the RMC system pickups make direct contact with the strings...they ARE the bridge saddles/piezos, vs. the hex pickups that sit below the strings with space between them. Here is an interesting passage from an interview from McLaughlin, who used to use the Axon system, but switched to RMC at the time of this interview, in 2005. "MCLAUGHLIN: While playing with the John McLaughlin Trio in the '80s, I used the Photon MIDI interface and blended the modern sound of the synthesizer with the antique sound of a nylon-string acoustic guitar-a combination that worked amazingly well. And another amazing piece of gear was the AXON MIDI interface, which used Neural Net technology. It was a great unit for playing live, and I used it on solos while touring with Paco DeLucia and Al DiMeola, but it was very difficult to record with. You'd hear all of the glitches, and with six outputs it was hard to get just a single synth output to work cleanly. Recently I've been using a Godin Multiac guitar with an internal RMC pickup system, driving a Roland GI-20 MIDI interface, connected directly to a 1.6GHz Apple laptop running MIDI software. I've been using it a lot in the studio while recording my upcoming CD, and also live, particularly with Remember Shakti. It works like a dream, with practically no latency, and is easily the best guitar synth that I've ever tried." Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: RE: Robert Fripp US tour > Just my usual nitpicking, but we all know that pickups don't "track", > right? > The RMCs supposedly provide a cleaner (and maybe more separated) signal to > the pitch-to-MIDI converter (e.g. GR33 or whatever), and that latter > device > is the thing that actually tracks the playing. > > And, also, "tracks flawlessly" is impossible. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:36 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Robert Fripp US tour >> >> >> On 1/19/06, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >> > On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: >> > > i am curious about his synth pickup...cant really see >> > > here, is he using the standard GK-2 or RMCs? >> > >> > what are/is RMCs? >> >> http://www.rmcpickup.com/ >> >> Most commonly found on Godin or Brian Moore guitars. >> >> They office vastly improved tracking performance over the >> Roland GK-2 (IMHO, of course). >> >> D >> (with a GK-2 equipped Gretsch, and two RMC equipped Godins, >> one fretted one fretless) >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:09:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DD483BEFE; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e101c61d4d$60b2b690$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:09:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 110, in=66388, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Petersen" > Avoid Koan-X, though. It's an uninteresting toy, IMO, and can only be > used to 'remix' prebuilt Koan content. The interface was mildly amusing > in 1997, but is beginning to look a little dated ... Now you tell me! :) I downloaded the demo and was disappointed. > There are a few programmes vaguely similar to Koan that are still more > or less active: > > http://geneticmusic.com > http://www.artsong.org > http://www.hardnote.com Cool. I'll check these out too. Thanks. Kris > > Ian Petersen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:11:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FCD43BF19; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: DigiTech JamMan Software Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:11:41 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <000501c61d4d$b555bc60$660fa8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcYdTbT16UiI9ykIRtWeuBm8CY0loQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:11:49 +0000 (UTC) I purchased a JamMan a month ago and am having a great time with it, but it is hard to manage the loops and keep track of where things are. So, given that I write software for a living, I've written an app to manage it through a PC. The app has tremendously enhanced the value of the JamMan and I think others would appreciate it too. I've got a number of features built-in, such as drag-and-drop between the loop library and the device, custom naming of loops (not just "Loop1," "Loop2," etc.), customization of all loop parameters from on-screen (including Tempo in beats-per-minute), creation and updating of the loop.xml and loop.wav files, etc. It works with multiple cards and just makes things so much easier. If you're looking to set things up for a performance, having a printed sheet cross-referencing loops and titles is great, as well as being able to swap out libraries at will. I'm really interested in what other features you would want to see in it. I'm going to have a version out for review in the next few weeks. Steve Mark steve@otms.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:38:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DFF13BF10; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TbyA17sMC2lPVb23GUwkN0iZSNQA48juQrgYUyodBP0bQ3WdXctsQgEd0aiHL6BzeI1MC7Rr9Ed732zImFalhbkL3ZSgXoV9Sc7BnzznfuqlvMLSh67/JW50HquwT6iEEFQ5aUJsix1F+rNsI5JHHTDAGo97tpMduLeOf+sfeW0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601191538r2ebbae28j669fc4dc0a99fe0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:38:49 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DigiTech JamMan Software In-Reply-To: <000501c61d4d$b555bc60$660fa8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c61d4d$b555bc60$660fa8c0@zuma> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Just curious--is there any way to do real time control with the JamMan's USB input? Like sync to another device? -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 19 23:57:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361393BEFB; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: DigiTech JamMan Software Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:56:55 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <001a01c61d54$0764e930$660fa8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcYdUed+6OUhVbUQQcm27uTFo3jMDQAAV9KQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601191538r2ebbae28j669fc4dc0a99fe0b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:57:06 +0000 (UTC) The software I'm writing can auto-detect a JamMan connection. One of the features I'm considering is adding "playlist"-type functionality (i.e. offline setup) and sync'ing. Currently the software, in real-time, updates the JamMan using drag-and-drop from a library folder. Is that what you are thinking of and would sync'ing, either manually or automatic, be useful? Steve Mark steve@otms.com http://www.otms.com -----Original Message----- From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DigiTech JamMan Software Just curious--is there any way to do real time control with the JamMan's USB input? Like sync to another device? -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 00:05:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 278743BF17; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:03:02 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: DigiTech JamMan Software To: Message-id: <001401c61d54$e2394420$d9aaa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000501c61d4d$b555bc60$660fa8c0@zuma> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Wow. This sounds really very very cool. I've been tempted by the JamMan. Something like you're proposing would really help setting things up for performances so much easier. And, I'm sure literally hundreds of people around the world would be very interested in what you are creating, if you want to go that route. Easily worth $10 per download. :-) Sounds like a business! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: DigiTech JamMan Software > I purchased a JamMan a month ago and am having a great time with it, but it > is hard to manage the loops and keep track of where things are. So, given > that I write software for a living, I've written an app to manage it through > a PC. The app has tremendously enhanced the value of the JamMan and I think > others would appreciate it too. > > I've got a number of features built-in, such as drag-and-drop between the > loop library and the device, custom naming of loops (not just "Loop1," > "Loop2," etc.), customization of all loop parameters from on-screen > (including Tempo in beats-per-minute), creation and updating of the loop.xml > and loop.wav files, etc. It works with multiple cards and just makes things > so much easier. If you're looking to set things up for a performance, > having a printed sheet cross-referencing loops and titles is great, as well > as being able to swap out libraries at will. > > I'm really interested in what other features you would want to see in it. > I'm going to have a version out for review in the next few weeks. > > Steve Mark > steve@otms.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 03:35:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A3C3BF0A; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M6qdynrh59nJiZm9/G8G+vmMzgAWiiVUCFqmMZf/swjLkc80POFNekXMFgL2uEaoafe/PnL9EE0NAu90J+PHlklT+9QGe8REmhQoyx/29xa+ufaiJdv5wnm6N/Tg3Jx7INs8I90QRVCavmKlAgqigfzEDBEqoK/9ht0jA4DeVuA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601191935w74755a34w1e0a3e93106d19bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:35:00 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DigiTech JamMan Software In-Reply-To: <001a01c61d54$0764e930$660fa8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0601191538r2ebbae28j669fc4dc0a99fe0b@mail.gmail.com> <001a01c61d54$0764e930$660fa8c0@zuma> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:35:04 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking midi (rhythmic) syncing with a computer sequencer. Probably not what the USB interface is designed for, but I'm curious. On 1/19/06, Steve Mark wrote: > The software I'm writing can auto-detect a JamMan connection. One of the > features I'm considering is adding "playlist"-type functionality (i.e. > offline setup) and sync'ing. Currently the software, in real-time, updat= es > the JamMan using drag-and-drop from a library folder. > > Is that what you are thinking of and would sync'ing, either manually or > automatic, be useful? > > Steve Mark > steve@otms.com > http://www.otms.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 05:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 492603BF0C; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yW//BeOwiqVt6v0ccW9A+Y6gwfsgssWNPfHEMl14TBxbjc+ORSW0MGElUNvyBLDIqW0LXrSAUNeGZlTerC+Ikt3rs2sVQAt9/sFObbwpOVeK/q9YW3BEWLyQTVq9I9zDRV71GugJtjYZEd000A7B/UjD7HExslUoLRdgB9JuIa8= ; Message-ID: <20060120053318.13198.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:33:18 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601191035m892c497le6d35a8b6a2615e7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'd sure be up for an OSX v. I know little of what it takes to compile an app for different OSs, but I see things like Gimp for OSX and it makes me happy someone's using osx for it's unix roots. Mark --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > Very nice looking code! Good style > > I have a Linux machine here but unfortunately my > sound card doesn't > work under my current installation (and it's a work > machine so the > incentive for me to fix it when I won't be working > on sound things > here is very small...) > > It makes me want to turn the Windows box I have > gathering dust at home > into a Linux box just to run this. > > I don't suppose you have plans to port this to OS/X? > I wish I could > volunteer but I know I don't have the time... > > > (you might be interested in > http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/scoped_ptr.htm > and > http://www.boost.org/libs/smart_ptr/scoped_array.htm > to simplify your > memory management a trifle.) > > > On 1/19/06, JP Mercury wrote: > > Hey Guys n Gals, > > > > Here is > > -New music made the open-source way. > > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling > 0.5.1, an open-source live > > looper project. > > > > Please visit: > > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > > > Cheers, > > -JP Mercury > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 06:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9243BF18; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: DigiTech JamMan Software Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:01:34 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <001601c61d86$f8100360$6601a8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcYdcuapRQs8vJiKQxipCG7NJR/ANgAE/GpQ In-reply-to: <588ce11d0601191935w74755a34w1e0a3e93106d19bb@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:01:43 +0000 (UTC) There's no sync on the JamMan, and the USB connection purely works for making the device appear as an external drive. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DigiTech JamMan Software I was thinking midi (rhythmic) syncing with a computer sequencer. Probably not what the USB interface is designed for, but I'm curious. On 1/19/06, Steve Mark wrote: > The software I'm writing can auto-detect a JamMan connection. One of > the features I'm considering is adding "playlist"-type functionality (i.e. > offline setup) and sync'ing. Currently the software, in real-time, > updates the JamMan using drag-and-drop from a library folder. > > Is that what you are thinking of and would sync'ing, either manually > or automatic, be useful? > > Steve Mark > steve@otms.com > http://www.otms.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 08:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28A03BF11; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060120053318.13198.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060120053318.13198.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:25:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:25:05 +0000 (UTC) On 20 jan 2006, at 06.33, mark sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, I'd sure be up for an OSX v. I know Intel equipped machines, usually managed with Windows, are fine for Linux, but can't Apple machines too run Linux? Maybe even better with the upcoming Apple line that use Intel CPU and board? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 08:45:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40943BF0F; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <002501c61d42$66478cd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <002501c61d42$66478cd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2631d3e2f67738b5101b6bf64d009652@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: FCB1010: software-aided midi mapping? Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:47:00 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:45:34 +0000 (UTC) To all FCB1010 users, As I'm not too much of a tap dancer :-) I wonder if there's a way to program the FCB1010 foot controller via the SYSEX RECEIVE function? What software would I need on a Mac? Have a loopful day, Nico www.recpro.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 08:55:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB1A53BF15; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.76.142] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060120004722.042b5ea0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:58:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP and StylusRMX In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EyMIK37f9-0003eB@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <00b001c61a3e$bcc8f960$45b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0MKp2t-1EyMIK37f9-0003eB@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:55:04 +0000 (UTC) At 08:48 PM 1/15/2006, hazard factor wrote: >Also, since this is my first foray into midi sync, I have a question: If I >have an existing loop, say, 13 seconds, and the EDP gets a sync signal, it >should truncate the loop to fit the new tempo, right? Because this isn't >happening. If I start with an empty loop, the EDP finds the sync pulse, and >syncs (2.6 secs at 90bpm), and then I can add bass lines, etc and everything >is perfect. But if I have an existing loop, it keeps on playing and ignores >any sync pulse. Yes, the sequencer starts, but the EDP keeps playing without >lining up the loop...maybe I don't quite have this understood yet. The echoplex will sync if the clock is close to what it expects, based on the loop time and 8ths/cycle parameter. If the clock tempo gets off from the expected tempo by more than a few BPM, the Echoplex will assume you meant to change the tempo radically and go out of sync. It will then stop trying to sync to the incoming midi clock. This would be a problem if you are recording echoplex loops first and then trying to start the sync clock, as they probably have no relation to each other. You really want to have the sync slave record second. The master should be first. You might want to try having the Echoplex be the master, and send sync clocks to the sequencer. Or do unrounded multiplies to redefine the loop similar to what fits the tempo. You could even do the un-rhythmic stuff on the Echoplex first, then do unrounded-multiply at the same time as starting the sequencer, so it comes in at the same tempo as the new-ly defined loop. My guess is you will also find the re-align commands really interesting if you are playing around with these areas. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 09:27:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D973C3BF1E; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <2631d3e2f67738b5101b6bf64d009652@gmx.net> References: <002501c61d42$66478cd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> <2631d3e2f67738b5101b6bf64d009652@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F55E45B-DDE5-4D3B-B43F-6A65B26A4A64@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB1010: software-aided midi mapping? Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:27:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) On 20 jan 2006, at 09.47, nico spahni wrote: > To all FCB1010 users, > > As I'm not too much of a tap dancer :-) I wonder if there's a way > to program the FCB1010 foot controller via the SYSEX RECEIVE > function? What software would I need on a Mac? check with the FCB1010 user group on yahoogroups. I know there are some great XP applications and maybe someone has written a Mac appl as well since I read up on the subject? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 09:42:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6153BF24; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20060120053318.13198.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:41:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:42:02 +0000 (UTC) At 9:25 AM +0100 1/20/06, Per Boysen wrote: >On 20 jan 2006, at 06.33, mark sottilaro wrote: >Yeah, I'd sure be up for an OSX v. > >I know Intel equipped machines, usually managed with Windows, are >fine for Linux, Well, it's been a few years since I've done a Linux install on an Intel laptop, but I can say that that is its own special little circle of hell. Or, it used to be anyway. For desktops, installs have been pretty seamless since about 2001. >but can't Apple machines too run Linux? Maybe even better with the >upcoming Apple line that use Intel CPU and board? Yeah, there's a version of Linux for PowerPc. However, since the Mach kernel is underlying OSX to begin with, it's usually not too hard to port. Much easier than doing a version to Windows, for instance. In this case, though, it looks like Freewheeling has a lot of dependencies on other libraries (ALSA, Jack, etc.) which may or may not have been previously ported, and that alone may complicate matters. Of course, the above is spoken from the viewpoint of a network and server admin, so YMMV. Some coder may swoop in in a minute and tell me I'm full of beans. ;) --m. -- _______ " I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 09:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B343BF29; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:52:20 -0500 From: TonyIsYourPal@netscape.net (Tony Douglas) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1FD8FF90.6B879A3A.59DF470E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 212.219.247.242 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, You could put Linux on Apple hardware, but philosophical reasons aside (free vs. closed software), I can't see why you'd want to. The Fink and DarwinPorts projects do a good job of making Unix/Linux apps available on OS X so there might be pointers on porting from there, as well as from the Apple developer site. - Tony Per Boysen wrote: >On 20 jan 2006, at 06.33, mark sottilaro wrote: >> Yeah, I'd sure be up for an OSX v. > > >I know Intel equipped machines, usually managed with Windows, are >fine for Linux, but can't Apple machines too run Linux? Maybe even >better with the upcoming Apple line that use Intel CPU and board? > >per > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. 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Mr. Bruce k Misamore. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- TISCALI organizuje charitativn=ED sb=EDrku na pomoc P=E1kist=E1nu, p=F8id= ejte se! http://pakistan.tiscali.cz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 11:02:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A1513BF26; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=khSozj5YUOORnkhLP8NDpoOpTYlLKgebVMAIZtg9P7tKjMou3vdDrnJXtHYFy9cXVemvDXU4WPPHiexL5NzxJIrVxxgtuG2Qfn6iDWxovpx15zygw7DJyngveC8XlUDjk3X172fDv0flgzfrH0gJrZKsvIkY41IsYFFZRc7ndsE= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601200302n7a762baejfc0465e85c7fdac3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:02:06 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_HqHE.A.t8D.vMM0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:02:07 +0000 (UTC) May I ask what Linux distribution you recommend for this, please? I have a spare machine that currently has no OS installed, and it would be nice to pick the right Linux distribution for this task. On 1/19/06, JP Mercury wrote: > Hey Guys n Gals, > > Here is > -New music made the open-source way. > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source liv= e > looper project. > > Please visit: > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > Cheers, > -JP Mercury > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 15:44:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630433BF36; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hfQtAwPJm2PeWrXN+lRosdhSeoylrESoq7yE7np7zOFCPMBS12UGkaB8T7yfHzWLyds9t3HDiMU+AnBnzTbLFWU/ivU5sWzAma0zuElyPe1dGYZJ4DeuZhy6r7Az3dlzVkgxIEQon3aWE17T71XhNQvVvBOrihnGaQeuYhgjwXQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780601200744oe496ce8u3c146137676a1889@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:44:31 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601200302n7a762baejfc0465e85c7fdac3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> <353e2ed80601200302n7a762baejfc0465e85c7fdac3@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:44:33 +0000 (UTC) David, For the least headaches in the realm of audio, I recommend Agnula Linux, the DeMuDi flavor. Agnula can be found at , while DeMuDi can be found at . This is a distribution specifically designed for audio saving you lots of setup grief. Do yourself a favor, though, and check before installing that all your hardware is supported. (See for help with this.) Todd P.S. -- If you search the LD list archive for Agnula and or Demudi you'll find past discussion on this very topic. On 1/20/06, David Morton wrote: > May I ask what Linux distribution you recommend for this, please? > > I have a spare machine that currently has no OS installed, and it > would be nice to pick the right Linux distribution for this task. > > On 1/19/06, JP Mercury wrote: > > Hey Guys n Gals, > > > > Here is > > -New music made the open-source way. > > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source l= ive > > looper project. > > > > Please visit: > > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > > > Cheers, > > -JP Mercury > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 16:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C44983BF32; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1137773289!48778352!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D02@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:08:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C61DDB.B46D8EC0" Resent-Message-ID: <0FgEdD.A.jhF.xrQ0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:08:17 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61DDB.B46D8EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Sadly KoanPro has not been actively developed for over five years now but it's definitely still worth checking out. It's a very deep programme. And it is most definitely interactive - at least it can react in a greater or lesser degree to midi input. But it has one major weakness: no midi clock sync.<< I was describing koan to someone just the other day.... I used to play with it a lot, though I found it almost frustratingly overwhelming in the possibilities it offered for setting rules & so forth. my copy said it had midi clock in/out, but it was greyed-out, like it was a demo version or something. this wasn't a demo copy though- I remember becoming a registered user. shame. you need a geet big screen too. I'd finally get the thing doing something I recognised as musical (whatever that means), & then set it back to the start with the intention of letting it rerun the piece into a recorder... it would always set off in a completely different direction. you had to record everything it did & splice it together afterwards. it was like being taken on a field-trip through some fantastic country by a five-year-old savant, when I guess what I wanted was an intellectual equal who'd do what I told them to. so I started a band instead.... :-) duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C61DDB.B46D8EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators

>>Sadly KoanPro has not been actively developed = for over five years
now but it's definitely still worth checking out. = It's a very deep
programme. And it is most definitely interactive - = at least it can
react in a greater or lesser degree to midi input. = But it has one major
weakness: no midi clock sync.<<

I was describing koan to someone just the other = day.... I used to play with it a lot, though I found it almost = frustratingly overwhelming in the possibilities it offered for setting = rules & so forth. my copy said it had midi clock in/out, but it was = greyed-out, like it was a demo version or something. this wasn't a demo = copy though- I remember becoming a registered user. shame. you need a = geet big screen too.

I'd finally get the thing doing something I = recognised as musical (whatever that means), & then set it back to = the start with the intention of letting it rerun the piece into a = recorder... it would always set off in a completely different = direction. you had to record everything it did & splice it together = afterwards.

it was like being taken on a field-trip through some = fantastic country by a five-year-old savant, when I guess what I wanted = was an intellectual equal who'd do what I told them to.

so I started a band instead.... :-)

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C61DDB.B46D8EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 16:58:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 134E23BF2A; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0BiD5SF50+Zs4N9/67oC4iFNNR1psEOzWDyvrexsmawJf7QSZaiDRVjbs4r5n17PdPIYf9M+OW+P3knbLxPbr1p0vCdz2G0f4Qhk/Qb7hUueapLH22hfvDKW88CXBGbeyprDQJEFEg7Kzo7xN4nIe6VIMGjX9yvYy3SBuXQDERQ= ; Message-ID: <20060120165807.37615.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: semi OT: mixer and looper/gtr sound question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060120000526.9A8153BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1773017121-1137776287=:35427" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:58:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1773017121-1137776287=:35427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit quick question: i have my zoom g2, ibanez delay going into my behringer mixer (not the bottom end one, but the next one up that is around 50$) and i have my dod d-12 in the effects loop then goes to my digital recorder. what happened i played the zoom yesterday upstairs away from my studio, and thought it sounded great through the headphones... but when playing it through the mixer i haven't been as happy w/ the sounds. is it the mixer? i realize that it's not a top end by any stretch, just curious if anyone else has had problem w/ not loving guitar sounds through a low-end mixer. s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1773017121-1137776287=:35427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit quick question:
i have my zoom g2, ibanez delay going into my behringer mixer (not the bottom end one, but the next one up that is around 50$) and i have my dod d-12 in the effects loop then goes to my digital recorder.
what happened i  played the zoom yesterday upstairs away from my studio, and thought it sounded great through the headphones...
but when playing it through the mixer i haven't been as happy w/ the sounds.
is it the mixer? i realize that it's not a top end by any stretch,
just curious if anyone else has had problem w/ not loving guitar sounds through a low-end mixer.
s---

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Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1773017121-1137776287=:35427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 17:56:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2273BF16; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060120175627516.7E05D14000DC@mwinf0704.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <43D1244A.3000305@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:56:26 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57F9CA17-7965-4616-88C1-D192B524A4BF@boysen.se> <00fc01c61d07$bcac8fc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <7811DC14-86B1-4E9E-BFC7-7266F9CF476C@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3zanVC.A.gi.PRS0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Any one here on LD that use Koan? A long time ago, I assisted Brian Eno for a sound instalation where he was using Koan for his generative music. At that time I did have a look into it and kind of liked it, but in the end I prefered my own generative algorithms. But it certainly is something to give a try. I have no idea about its current state though... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From chris_peter1@msn.com Fri Jan 20 18:10:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.231]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EAE3BF1F; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.173.5]) by omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:10:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:10:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 196.207.1.18 by by5fd.bay5.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:10:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.207.1.18] X-Originating-Email: [chris_peter1@msn.com] X-Sender: chris_peter1@msn.com Reply-To: chris_peter@walla.com From: "Chris Peter" Subject: URGENT REPLY NEEDED Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:10:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 18:10:01.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB263AD0:01C61DEC] To: undisclosed-recipients:; CHRIS PETER CHAMBERS, LEGAL PRACTITIONERS AND PUBLIC NOTARY AND HIGH COURT REPRESENTATIVE 301-302 BONNY CRESCENT VICTORIA ISLAND,LAGOS NIGERIA. ATTENTION: I hope this meets you in good health. My name is Barrister Chris Peter.legal practitioner and Attorney to late Mr.Steve moore. who died in the plane crash of Yak-40 jetliner on March 9, 2000. You may follow the link below to read about the plane crash where my client lost his life: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/672849.stm My late client was an influential wealthy businessman, an Engineer Contractor in my Country and a Russian Oil dealer and the Principal ownerof Oil Alliance Company. He left behind a deposit of Twenty Seven Million,United States Dollars($27,000,000.USD) in his domiciliary bank accountin a commercial bank here in Nigeria Which is one of the main reasons it has been very important to locate his next of kin. After the death of my client his bankers contacted me, as his Attorney to provide his next of kin who should inherit his fortune. The board of Directors of his bank adopted a resolution and I was mandated toprovide his next of kin for the payment of this money or forfeit the money to the bank as an unclaimed fund. The bankers had planned to invoke a clause in the property Act, to confiscate the funds after the expiration of a period given to me. I came across your name, while trying to locatedocumentation'sregarding possible relatives of my client in his country of origin and convienced that you may be able to act in locus for my late client as his next of kin. I therefore, decided to contact you with these facts before me because of the status quo.By virtue of my brief and my closeness to deasedthe, iam very much aware of my client's financial standing and the bank account operates here in my country. I have reasoned very professionally and I feel it will be legally proper to present you as the next of kin of my deceased client and the sole beneficiary of his estate, so that you can be paid the funds left in his bank account. I seek your consent to present you as the Next of Kin;the bank needs only the facts as presented legally. The rest is between you and I and with my guide we can have the money paid into your account, once this is done we shall both share the funds. 50% to me and 40% to you, while 10% should be for Taxes as your Government may require, I shall assemble all the necessary Legal Documents that will be used to back up our claim. All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us see istransaction through,I assure you that this transaction will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect us from any breach of law. Please get in touch with me through my private email address.(chris_peter@walla.com) Best Regards, Barrister. Chris Peter(Esq). From chris_peter1@msn.com Fri Jan 20 18:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from omc1-s39.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s39.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.241]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A106D3BF2E; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.173.11]) by omc1-s39.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:17:48 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 196.207.1.18 by by5fd.bay5.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:17:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.207.1.18] X-Originating-Email: [chris_peter1@msn.com] X-Sender: chris_peter1@msn.com Reply-To: chris_peter@walla.com From: "Chris Peter" Subject: URGENT REPLY NEEDED Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:17:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2006 18:17:48.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1685C50:01C61DED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; CHRIS PETER CHAMBERS, LEGAL PRACTITIONERS AND PUBLIC NOTARY AND HIGH COURT REPRESENTATIVE 301-302 BONNY CRESCENT VICTORIA ISLAND,LAGOS NIGERIA. ATTENTION: I hope this meets you in good health. My name is Barrister Chris Peter.legal practitioner and Attorney to late Mr.Steve moore. who died in the plane crash of Yak-40 jetliner on March 9, 2000. You may follow the link below to read about the plane crash where my client lost his life: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/672849.stm My late client was an influential wealthy businessman, an Engineer Contractor in my Country and a Russian Oil dealer and the Principal ownerof Oil Alliance Company. He left behind a deposit of Twenty Seven Million,United States Dollars($27,000,000.USD) in his domiciliary bank accountin a commercial bank here in Nigeria Which is one of the main reasons it has been very important to locate his next of kin. After the death of my client his bankers contacted me, as his Attorney to provide his next of kin who should inherit his fortune. The board of Directors of his bank adopted a resolution and I was mandated toprovide his next of kin for the payment of this money or forfeit the money to the bank as an unclaimed fund. The bankers had planned to invoke a clause in the property Act, to confiscate the funds after the expiration of a period given to me. I came across your name, while trying to locatedocumentation'sregarding possible relatives of my client in his country of origin and convienced that you may be able to act in locus for my late client as his next of kin. I therefore, decided to contact you with these facts before me because of the status quo.By virtue of my brief and my closeness to deasedthe, iam very much aware of my client's financial standing and the bank account operates here in my country. I have reasoned very professionally and I feel it will be legally proper to present you as the next of kin of my deceased client and the sole beneficiary of his estate, so that you can be paid the funds left in his bank account. I seek your consent to present you as the Next of Kin;the bank needs only the facts as presented legally. The rest is between you and I and with my guide we can have the money paid into your account, once this is done we shall both share the funds. 50% to me and 40% to you, while 10% should be for Taxes as your Government may require, I shall assemble all the necessary Legal Documents that will be used to back up our claim. All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us see istransaction through,I assure you that this transaction will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect us from any breach of law. Please get in touch with me through my private email address.(chris_peter@walla.com) Best Regards, Barrister. Chris Peter(Esq). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 18:41:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7383BF35; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:39:36 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #460 for January 19, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43D12E68.8000007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #460 January 19, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Parallel Worlds. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Far Away Light" on Shima Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Fourth Worl Vol. 1 - Possible Musics" by Jon Hassell and Brian Eno on Editions EG Records and released in 1980. Parallel Worlds - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Jon Hassell and Ba-Benzele Fourth World Volume 1 - Possible Brian Eno Musics (Editions EG) Embrase First Movements Dreamworld (Groove) VA [Create] Analogue Revival Analogy Volume 1 (Groove) VA [Remotion] Freeflight Analogy Volume 1 (Groove) VA [Fear Falls Burning] Gossamer Aidan Baker Remixes (Arcolepsy) Stephen Parsick Der Nullpunkt Hoellenengel (doombient) Parallel Worlds Lifecircles Far Away Light (Shima) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Parallel Worlds Musique Electronique 1 Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Musique Electronique 2 Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Dreamstate Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Borrowing Time From God Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Far Away Light Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Soulgates Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Misty Journey Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Expectations Far Away Light (Shima) Parallel Worlds Fading Memories Far Away Light (Shima) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Parallel Worlds. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Existence" on Rubber Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the four disc set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 21:06:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D413BF1F; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004001c61e05$67574480$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: Subject: Zoe Keating - Live at Neumo's Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:06:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61DC2.572F81F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7wcJnB.A.EtG.kDV0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:06:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61DC2.572F81F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zoe: I checked your music at your web site today. Bravo. Excellent = playing and composition, lots of innovative looping and effects. = Violoncello and electronic music are a powerful combination. I then = checked to see how Neumo's, nightspot here in Seattle, is billing your = show with Imogen Heap on Jan 29, a Sunday. Its sold out more than a = week in advance. That's a big deal in this town. Imogen must really be = popular, but honestly, I prefer your music by a mile. What a great = opportunity to steal the show. Best of luck to you - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm (my son's web site) ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61DC2.572F81F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Zoe:  I checked your music at your = web site=20 today.  Bravo.  Excellent playing and composition, lots of = innovative=20 looping and effects.  Violoncello and electronic music are a = powerful=20 combination.  I then checked to see how Neumo's, = nightspot here in=20 Seattle, is billing your show with Imogen Heap on Jan 29, a = Sunday.  Its=20 sold out more than a week in advance.  That's a big deal in this=20 town.  Imogen must really be popular, but honestly, I prefer your = music by=20 a mile.  What a great opportunity to steal the show.  Best of = luck to=20 you - CW
http://www.johnwinters.biz= /listen.htm (my=20 son's web site)
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C61DC2.572F81F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 23:02:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09563BEDD; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g2c4VVWvRP0kNNULuasPaDR9+++8jQbs1Uh+gWtm6OSLbGLK4NPdD6Sw9kKBKrLDWfsAopC+ltc7jHBMIJdLVFFSq6QO3KFGFTAe6R93wDNE0Jzbt4Vz5n7Hb5g0EiEx6sq4PqJVyvDv6/codkEzlDd8v4WBVG9Hy+zjv440NAc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:02:09 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Music & A Sneak Peek @ Freewheeling 0.5.1 In-Reply-To: <64b81a780601200744oe496ce8u3c146137676a1889@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060119061922.M69470@stickist.com> <353e2ed80601200302n7a762baejfc0465e85c7fdac3@mail.gmail.com> <64b81a780601200744oe496ce8u3c146137676a1889@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <773EcC.A.y8B.zvW0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Yellow Dog Linux is quite nice to run on Mac hardware...highly recommend it if you feel the need to not run OS X. Dennis Moser On 1/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote: > David, > > For the least headaches in the realm of audio, I recommend Agnula > Linux, the DeMuDi flavor. Agnula can be found at > , while DeMuDi can be found at > . This is a distribution specifically > designed for audio saving you lots of setup grief. Do yourself a > favor, though, and check before installing that all your hardware is > supported. (See > > for help with this.) > > Todd > > P.S. -- If you search the LD list archive for Agnula and or Demudi > you'll find past discussion on this very topic. > > On 1/20/06, David Morton wrote: > > May I ask what Linux distribution you recommend for this, please? > > > > I have a spare machine that currently has no OS installed, and it > > would be nice to pick the right Linux distribution for this task. > > > > On 1/19/06, JP Mercury wrote: > > > Hey Guys n Gals, > > > > > > Here is > > > -New music made the open-source way. > > > -A sneak peek at what's to come in Freewheeling 0.5.1, an open-source= live > > > looper project. > > > > > > Please visit: > > > http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Cheers, > > > -JP Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 20 23:39:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365D23BEDE; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:39:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYa7uCjIf7RC2iCSOOoclpOIIWBrwDK3MHA Message-Id: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? Just to see what the story is. They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs umbrella" Cheers It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, even though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 00:46:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C5FA3BECD; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lhFR6pI1JyW80+8kRJNJZDI/lgf89bYKR1xHNISbVIKjJRYKc46kU0/Cc3Uqxe5m; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200616210531870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Giant tube project RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f9d328057964fbc85754effce8361160350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.246 Resent-Message-ID: <64DbJ.A.FoE.jRY0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Great analogy, Duncan... on another note entirely, how's goes the Giant Tube Project? Inquiring Mayans want to know. Yours in Radio Massacre International, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 1/20/2006 11:08:17 AM Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators >>Sadly KoanPro has not been actively developed for over five years now but it's definitely still worth checking out. It's a very deep programme. And it is most definitely interactive - at least it can react in a greater or lesser degree to midi input. But it has one major weakness: no midi clock sync.<< I was describing koan to someone just the other day.... I used to play with it a lot, though I found it almost frustratingly overwhelming in the possibilities it offered for setting rules & so forth. my copy said it had midi clock in/out, but it was greyed-out, like it was a demo version or something. this wasn't a demo copy though- I remember becoming a registered user. shame. you need a geet big screen too. I'd finally get the thing doing something I recognised as musical (whatever that means), & then set it back to the start with the intention of letting it rerun the piece into a recorder... it would always set off in a completely different direction. you had to record everything it did & splice it together afterwards. it was like being taken on a field-trip through some fantastic country by a five-year-old savant, when I guess what I wanted was an intellectual equal who'd do what I told them to. so I started a band instead.... :-) duncan. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators
Great analogy, Duncan... on another note entirely, how's goes the Giant Tube Project? Inquiring Mayans want to know.
Yours in Radio Massacre International,
Tim
 
 
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>>Sadly KoanPro has not been actively developed for over five years
now but it's definitely still worth checking out. It's a very deep
programme. And it is most definitely interactive - at least it can
react in a greater or lesser degree to midi input. But it has one major
weakness: no midi clock sync.<<

I was describing koan to someone just the other day.... I used to play with it a lot, though I found it almost frustratingly overwhelming in the possibilities it offered for setting rules & so forth. my copy said it had midi clock in/out, but it was greyed-out, like it was a demo version or something. this wasn't a demo copy though- I remember becoming a registered user. shame. you need a geet big screen too.

I'd finally get the thing doing something I recognised as musical (whatever that means), & then set it back to the start with the intention of letting it rerun the piece into a recorder... it would always set off in a completely different direction. you had to record everything it did & splice it together afterwards.

it was like being taken on a field-trip through some fantastic country by a five-year-old savant, when I guess what I wanted was an intellectual equal who'd do what I told them to.

so I started a band instead.... :-)

duncan.

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 01:03:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323433BED9; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JMINdtZG1qgJr4nATSvJsylp3v/g0G31huOVfpoTmK2reio30t1mUT6X3JV4KvkM36ATCGFtZFCOJ2pit4OTFX2QZrpXZGsPqCN0Mjr9SS8U7VbMFB1K0Uh3A/rK+dvS1VUFGmR0MCjvok8mjdyjLHLriY2jiTXxPh/UsLpdPzI= ; Message-ID: <20060121010312.67991.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c61d2a$14ba6670$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:03:14 +0000 (UTC) I tried it last night using Digital Performer and got great results. Exactly what I was looking for. Easy to use. Intuitive enough to get the basic deal down without reading the manual and I was able to add and change loops on the fly while still tapping notes on my guitar. Now time to read the manual to see what this baby can really do. Thanks for the tip! Makes my mid week "2 hours to loop before bed" much more productive than when I'd spend 1.5 of those hours programming drums. Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > In my current prototyping setup, Ableton Live is the > master, so no > possibility to sync the drums to a loop. The only > thing that's possible > apart from playing to a metronome (or to a drum > pattern set up before I > start playing), although it won't be possible to do, > say, mainstream R'n'B > tunes like this, is to have a loop running (say in > an unsynced instance of > Mobius) and then start Live without caring about > clock relationships ;-) > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Januar 2006 20:58 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: AW: MIDI-programmable drum sequencer > > > > That sounds like a really great way to get a lot > of music > > made... I shall try something like this tonight. > > Are you using the looper as the master clock or > do you set > > up something as a metronome first? > > > > Mark > > > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > [about real-time drum programming] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 03:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99A33BEE4; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q/Pd7mPz+IPqMcMrjbO8JgZ2iEWOlfMv0Gkm3AKJiYYNeNW+WExiA+ll4anG5FU9J6QeMDj+4GucWMeYc562QXgkPJ1QDq3I/Qzx6Cl7NHuilEilIc6/75CJVF4t/xBO46jZir34N4qIF3sjM4hOrwTX3dFtzg7UTYkBXu2hS1s= ; Message-ID: <20060121033045.1497.qmail@web33811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: David Durian Subject: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1811504262-1137814245=:98139" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:30:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-1811504262-1137814245=:98139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . . http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 Cool stuff, David --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos --0-1811504262-1137814245=:98139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi all,

Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . .

http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155

Cool stuff,

David


What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos --0-1811504262-1137814245=:98139-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 06:08:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE9E3BED6; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:08:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 112, in=67303, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:08:57 +0000 (UTC) It's been a good two days of loop music recording here in Boise, Idaho for me and one of my free-improv collaborators, Jarod Hallock, who plays the electronic drumset, acoustic drum set, and marimba. Friday night, an interesting phenomenon occured, which I suppose happens when a looper like myself, after playing couped up in coffehops for three years, gets hurled into a major night club in downtown Boise. We played two hours of complete free-improv madness. The first set was very electronic, ambient, & industrial orientated...two songs in 45 minutes! On the second set, Jarod hopped on his small jazz acoustic set and we played free jazz fusion...the first piece was spontaneous. The second was a loose interpretation of one of my favorite jazz tunes, "Alice in Wonderland." Jarod played like a freakin' savage...I've never played with a drumer like this in Boise. He can play free jazz like a real champ. We blew each others' minds. It's totally fun when you play with someone in a context like that for the first time with no prior rehearsals. Anway, below is the smallest clip of our performance. I'm pretty much a lunatic on this one....doing all sorts of improv and insane stuff with my voice, etc. I'm surprised there weren't men in white coats waiting for me at the door after this one. :) I wonder myself whether it was really me up there, or if I was possessed by sinister yet humorous aliens. Set 1, Session 2 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2140414.html And below is a short excerpt of the second more free jazz fusion set. Unfortunately, Jarod's drumset was not going through my board, only to the main PA board, so you can't hear the drums very well. I had to set my vocal mic next to his set to capture some of it. Set 2, Session 1 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2140008.html Then the day after, today, Jarod and I had a 3 hour recording session for a new CD that we should have out in a month or two. This was the first time I played with a marimba player in an free-improv, experimental, and avant-garde music context....very interesting, marimba and guitar. I won't be sharing any of that until it's on CD. Hah hah. Cheers, K- ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 07:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC313BEDE; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:17:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:17:38 +0000 (UTC) I'll do my best. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mrweasel [mailto:mrweasel@eircom.net] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Hi Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? Just to see what the story is. They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs umbrella" Cheers It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, even though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 08:49:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40293BED3; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.19.20.72] X-Originating-Email: [onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] X-Sender: onacidicfarms@hotmail.com From: "dominic frasca" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Warren want to trade? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:49:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 08:49:11.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C61C400:01C61E67] Resent-Message-ID: <0iHfnC.A.BZE.IWf0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Warren Sirota, Andre LaFosse told me about your post. Since you seem to be very into older computers I have a nice 486 laptop I bought back in 95 that I would be more than happy to trade you for 1176 if you have one. Let me know. Also if you ever want to play that wonderful piece you composed in 1987 at my performance space The Monkey in NYC you have an open invitation. All the best Dominic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 11:42:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E023BED6; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <66E04380-5731-485E-87BA-43253E4E90BC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:42:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:42:36 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jan 2006, at 07.08, Kris Hartung wrote: > It's been a good two days of loop music recording here in Boise, Thanks for posting those files. I like that music very much :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 14:16:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350233BED2; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20060121091222.01efe170@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:16:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness In-Reply-To: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-402751AD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, Generally I'm not a big fan of free improv. but that is some of the most exciting music I've listened to, moments of pure genius..... And no matter what the folks at the local Boise asylum might think, I really like what you're doing with your voice. Congratulations! Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada At 01:08 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: >It's been a good two days of loop music recording here in Boise, Idaho for >me and one of my free-improv collaborators, Jarod Hallock, who plays the >electronic drumset, acoustic drum set, and marimba. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 14:54:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73883BEB8; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c61e9a$80951a90$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:53:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Nice work, Kris. The long track, (2140414) is the better number , IMO. The percussion and voices really make it shine. You should include it in your collaboration album. Maybe you can post a video of one of these shows. BTW, please tell us about the venue and crowd. How many fans present, what was their reaction to the aforementioned piece? You don't usually think of Boise as being an avant garde kind of town, but apparently there is something going on there. - CW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness > It's been a good two days of loop music recording here in Boise, Idaho for > me and one of my free-improv collaborators, Jarod Hallock, who plays the > electronic drumset, acoustic drum set, and marimba. Friday night, an > interesting phenomenon occured, which I suppose happens when a looper like > myself, after playing couped up in coffehops for three years, gets hurled > into a major night club in downtown Boise. We played two hours of > complete > free-improv madness. The first set was very electronic, ambient, & > industrial > orientated...two songs in 45 minutes! On the second set, Jarod hopped on > his > small jazz acoustic set and we played free jazz fusion...the first piece > was > spontaneous. The second was a loose interpretation of one of my favorite > jazz > tunes, "Alice in Wonderland." snip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 14:55:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C086B3BEDB; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:55:49 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c61e9a$c51d0c90$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000d01c61e9a$80951a90$6401a8c0@charles2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYemoau8asnGOesThCM/xK/IFJ34AAABIug Resent-Message-ID: <1_voVB.A.ZbG.6tk0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Well, I guess one wouldn't have thought of Santa Cruz as an avant garde town either. In such cases, it's usually the activity of a few single people who make a scene happen - in the case of Boise it's Kris. > BTW, please tell us about the venue and crowd. How many fans > present, what was their reaction to the aforementioned piece? > You don't usually think of Boise as being an avant garde > kind of town, but apparently there is something going on there. - CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 15:04:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F4B3BEDC; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:06:17 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c61e9c$3b11edc0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Dominic, How great to hear from you - I was just trying to organize a group to go to your guitar fest. concert, when I saw it was sold out (I think you added a late show, but it's hard to get my wife and friends together for a 10PM concert - we're mostly exurb-anites, up here in Greenwood Lake). I didn't realize that the Monkey was your space. As it happens, I am actively seeking a place to hold the CD release party for The Sandbox, my current experimental looping duo. Another coincidence! I don't know what 1176 you're referring to, maybe you could clarify that. It sounds like it would be cool to have a chat. Want to call me at (845)477-0312? I'll be around all day, probably. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: dominic frasca [mailto:onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:49 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Warren want to trade? > > > Hi Warren Sirota, > Andre LaFosse told me about your post. Since you seem to be > very into older > computers I have a nice 486 laptop I bought back in 95 that I > would be more > than happy to trade you for 1176 if you have one. > Let me know. > > Also if you ever want to play that wonderful piece you > composed in 1987 at > my performance space The Monkey in NYC you have an open > invitation. All the best Dominic > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 15:22:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745763BEDF; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:24:25 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? - taking off list In-reply-to: <000001c61e9c$3b11edc0$0302a8c0@Lightning> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c61e9e$c347b380$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about the accidental post to the list. I wasn't paying enough attention to what I was doing. Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 16:04:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CECB53BED5; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.19.20.72] X-Originating-Email: [onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] X-Sender: onacidicfarms@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000001c61e9c$3b11edc0$0302a8c0@Lightning> From: "dominic frasca" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:04:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 16:04:35.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FA6E200:01C61EA4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:04:38 +0000 (UTC)

Warren ,

Please send me your stuff and do try to stop by and see the space. It is not very big but the soud is really great. I am sure you you tear the place up.

Dom

From:  Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  RE: Warren want to trade?
Date:  Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:06:17 -0500
>Hi Dominic,
>
>How great to hear from you - I was just trying to organize a group to go to
>your guitar fest. concert, when I saw it was sold out (I think you added a
>late show, but it's hard to get my wife and friends together for a 10PM
>concert - we're mostly exurb-anites, up here in Greenwood Lake).
>
>I didn't realize that the Monkey was your space. As it happens, I am
>actively seeking a place to hold the CD release party for The Sandbox, my
>current experimental looping duo. Another coincidence!
>
>I don't know what 1176 you're referring to, maybe you could clarify that.
>
>It sounds like it would be cool to have a chat. Want to call me at
>(845)477-0312? I'll be around all day, probably.
>
>Best wishes,
>Warren Sirota
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dominic frasca [mailto:onacidicfarms@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:49 AM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Warren want to trade?
> >
> >
> > Hi Warren Sirota,
> > Andre LaFosse told me about your post. Since you seem to be
> > very into older
> > computers I have a nice 486 laptop I bought back in 95 that I
> > would be more
> > than happy to trade you for 1176 if you have one.
> > Let me know.
> >
> > Also if you ever want to play that wonderful piece you
> > composed in 1987 at
> > my performance space The Monkey in NYC you have an open
> > invitation. All the best Dominic
> >
> >
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 16:30:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 237B43BEC5; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c61ea8$0b7a6ef0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20060121091222.01efe170@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:30:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 447, in=201208, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5ZCIx.A.l9B.9Gm0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Paul, and Per! I guess I won't have my self checked out afterall. :) Yes, indeed...that was pure improv fun. It's great to get out of the coffeeshop scene and play on a huge stage with huge PA speakers, subs, tons of lights, etc...on stage. Very exhilarating! It brings out some unpredictable things. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness > Hey Kris, > > Generally I'm not a big fan of free improv. but that is some of the most > exciting music I've listened to, moments of pure genius..... And no matter > what the folks at the local Boise asylum might think, I really like what > you're doing with your voice. > > Congratulations! > > > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > At 01:08 AM 1/21/2006, you wrote: > >>It's been a good two days of loop music recording here in Boise, Idaho for >>me and one of my free-improv collaborators, Jarod Hallock, who plays the >>electronic drumset, acoustic drum set, and marimba. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 16:44:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8FE3BEE0; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.19.20.72] X-Originating-Email: [onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] X-Sender: onacidicfarms@hotmail.com From: "dominic frasca" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:44:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 16:44:36.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6E336F0:01C61EA9] Resent-Message-ID: <6Q82l.A.9fC.1Tm0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:44:38 +0000 (UTC)



Warren,

Warren,

About the 1176 I was just trying to make the point that if you think computers hold there value or there effectiveness as much as vintage tube gear would be willing to trade an Universal Audio 1176 for an old 486 laptop?  Because I think that would be misguided.

Dominic

From:  Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  RE: Warren want to trade?
Date:  Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:06:17 -0500
>Hi Dominic,
>
>How great to hear from you - I was just trying to organize a group to go to
>your guitar fest. concert, when I saw it was sold out (I think you added a
>late show, but it's hard to get my wife and friends together for a 10PM
>concert - we're mostly exurb-anites, up here in Greenwood Lake).
>
>I didn't realize that the Monkey was your space. As it happens, I am
>actively seeking a place to hold the CD release party for The Sandbox, my
>current experimental looping duo. Another coincidence!
>
>I don't know what 1176 you're referring to, maybe you could clarify that.
>
>It sounds like it would be cool to have a chat. Want to call me at
>(845)477-0312? I'll be around all day, probably.
>
>Best wishes,
>Warren Sirota
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dominic frasca [mailto:onacidicfarms@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:49 AM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Warren want to trade?
> >
> >
> > Hi Warren Sirota,
> > Andre LaFosse told me about your post. Since you seem to be
> > very into older
> > computers I have a nice 486 laptop I bought back in 95 that I
> > would be more
> > than happy to trade you for 1176 if you have one.
> > Let me know.
> >
> > Also if you ever want to play that wonderful piece you
> > composed in 1987 at
> > my performance space The Monkey in NYC you have an open
> > invitation. All the best Dominic
> >
> >
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 17:25:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C58043BEE4; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <68ED2244-8DD7-4D73-8C98-5952815DB74F@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Warren want to trade? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:25:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:25:10 +0000 (UTC) > About the 1176 I was just trying to make the point that if you > think computers hold there value or there effectiveness as much as > vintage tube gear would be willing to trade an Universal Audio 1176 > for an old 486 laptop? Because I think that would be misguided. dominic, ( i really like your music by the way...) your point is well taken. you probably realize, however, that an 1176 is a solid state compressor, not tube based. peace > ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 17:31:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664223BEEA; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.19.20.72] X-Originating-Email: [onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] X-Sender: onacidicfarms@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <68ED2244-8DD7-4D73-8C98-5952815DB74F@fuse.net> From: "dominic frasca" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Warren want to trade? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:31:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 17:31:12.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[79683E30:01C61EB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC)

Thanks man,

My bad.

Dominic

From:  monk <monk@fuse.net>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  Re: Warren want to trade?
Date:  Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:25:04 -0500
>>About the 1176 I was just trying to make the point that if you  
>>think computers hold there value or there effectiveness as much as  
>>vintage tube gear would be willing to trade an Universal Audio 1176
>>  for an old 486 laptop?  Because I think that would be misguided.
>
>
>
>
>dominic,
>
>      ( i really like your music by the way...)  your point is well  
>taken. you probably realize, however, that an 1176 is a solid state  
>compressor, not tube based.
>
>peace
>
>
>
>>
>
>ric hordinski
>
>monk@fuse.net
>
>www.richordinski.com
>
>www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic
>
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 17:34:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D044E3BEF5; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cb01c61eb0$ef855d50$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <002001c61e51$282d4ec0$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000d01c61e9a$80951a90$6401a8c0@charles2> Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:34:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 447, in=201240, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <47eclC.A.OXE.xCn0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Charles! Hmmm...video. Good idea. Next time I'll bring my camera and shoot shot scenes. The venue, called the Bouqett (http://www.thebouquet.net/index.htm) ...a fairly large venue down town on Main street. It can probably hold 200-300 people. It used to be called the Blues Bouquett, but new owners came and and expanded the genres. The stage is about 3 feet high, about 25 feet wide...for big bands, so we had lots of room. About 10 lights/pars on the ceiling. It's hard to say how many folks where there, but I'd say about 50 or 60 throughout the 2 hours we played....which isn't bad for a Thursday and avant-garde music! There were about 20 people there, before we played at 9pm. Then they gave us all the door cover charge, which indicated 33 more people. The reaction was surprisingly positive. Many of the folks there, including the staff, said that we really challenged their preconceptions of what can be done with live performance and music...we broke the mold at the venue, I guess, because folks are used to dance or pop music there. The door man said that he thought were very professional and top notch. I'm going to try really hard to get a sax or trumpet player to join us next time....but the chances are very low. I've never seen a local horn player play this style of music, but I'll put an ad in the paper nonetheless, and see who comes out of the closet. You are correct...Boise really isn't thought of as an avant-garde town, but we do on occasion see that type of music here. Aside from me, there are maybe 1-3 other artists who do weird stuff, and then we get some out of town bands, maybe one avant-garde band a year. A few years ago, the Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey came to town, which are in the free jazz vein. But is really rare to see bands like this in clubs. We usually play smaller venues or underground, private venues...we have an interesting underground scence here, where people host bands and have big parties. Who knows what the else they do at those parties. We usually have to create our own venues...for instance, I'm starting the 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, April 28-29. Rick Walker, Ted Killian /Jeff Kaiser, and Lumper-Splitter are headlining, then I have 8 local avant-garde and experimental musicians playing all day Saturday. More here: www.boisemusicians.com/experimental Paul - sure, I'll post the remainder of the set. Set 1, Session 1 (not my favorite) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2142446.html Set 1, Session 2 (you already have from my first post) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2140414.html Set 2, Session 1 (complete clip) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2140007.html Set 2, Session 2 (Alice in Wonderland) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/2140009.html I probably won't keep these up for more than a day or two...maybe just Set 1, Session 2. So if you want to listen to them in later, you might want to download them. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Winters" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness > Nice work, Kris. The long track, (2140414) is the better number , IMO. > The percussion and voices really make it shine. You should include it in > your collaboration album. Maybe you can post a video of one of these > shows. > > BTW, please tell us about the venue and crowd. How many fans present, > what was their reaction to the aforementioned piece? You don't usually > think of Boise as being an avant garde kind of town, but apparently there > is something going on there. - CW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM > Subject: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness > > >> It's been a good two days of loop music recording here in Boise, Idaho >> for >> me and one of my free-improv collaborators, Jarod Hallock, who plays the >> electronic drumset, acoustic drum set, and marimba. Friday night, an >> interesting phenomenon occured, which I suppose happens when a looper >> like >> myself, after playing couped up in coffehops for three years, gets hurled >> into a major night club in downtown Boise. We played two hours of >> complete >> free-improv madness. The first set was very electronic, ambient, & >> industrial >> orientated...two songs in 45 minutes! On the second set, Jarod hopped on >> his >> small jazz acoustic set and we played free jazz fusion...the first piece >> was >> spontaneous. The second was a loose interpretation of one of my favorite >> jazz >> tunes, "Alice in Wonderland." > snip > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 17:45:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7913BF00; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Q for dominic Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:45:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:45:42 +0000 (UTC) dominic, did i read that you studied with steve aron in akron? i studied with a guy who was kind of a protege/pupil of his. did you ever hear of michael vahila?he studied with eric kloss in new york and moved back to ohio to study classical with steve. i studied classical and jazz. jack of all trades and master of none. peace. ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 17:49:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE89A3BF0E; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3847961E-A5D4-4CB2-AC30-DD36C7540FB8@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Q for dominic Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:46:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:49:00 +0000 (UTC) > > > did i read that you studied with steve aron in akron? My best friend did, if that matters. lol Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 17:54:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1B673BEE9; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:52:20 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Call for Participation In-reply-to: <50EED69F-A733-4F87-A3ED-40F0D5F23452@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Howard Moscovitz , Greg Waltzer Message-id: <43D274D4.3010007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> <50EED69F-A733-4F87-A3ED-40F0D5F23452@boysen.se> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 19 jan 2006, at 06.25, Bill Fox wrote: > >> For more information visit the event's web site. >> > > This looks very cool! But why don't they pay performers and speakers? > If they did that they might be able to pull off a better program. How > are they going to sell people tickets to "go and see amateurs that > love what they do so much that they do it for free and as a result > force themselves into keeping another job that in fact prevents them > from becoming really good"? Last year's inaugural event was attended not only by people across the USA but by people from the UK, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, and Germany. It was a very successful event that presented Amy X. Neuburg (USA), Wave World (NL), Mark Jenkins (UK), and a host of other top quality acts. How much better can it get? All paid to play/present/demonstrate because everyone attends electro-music as a participant of the community. Perhaps I'm biased because my friends and Xeroid Entity band mates (Howard and Greg) organized the event or because I was PA and Recording Coordinator. Do not believe me. But do visit and read what the participants felt about the whole event. Pictures are at . I encourage you to join the electro-music forum and be welcomed by our family of electro musicians. I'd really like to see some loopers attend. A demonstration of Mobius looping software would be outstanding! (Hint, hint!!) There will also be a need for people to make audio and video recordings of the event and to run the sound systems. Last year, all PA and recording equipment used was loaned by participants. When the beer arrived, participants pitched in to lug the very heavy kegs into the building and set them up so that the "beer wenches" wouldn't have to do it themselves. It's a real community effort. Cheers, Bill P.S. Check out Greg's stylish attire! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 18:00:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35D0A3BEE9; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KAJwB0kOCFIUsKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:38:57 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:00:23 +0000 (UTC) >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . . > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 Slightly more info on the UK site http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=RC50 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 18:07:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2919C3BEF9; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:08:21 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c61eb5$aa0a1860$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Sure, I never disputed that certain high-end studio items retain value well - and, in fact, the EDP appears to hold its value pretty darn well, too. I just have a big junk heap of perfectly functional, perfectly worthless rackmount gear. If you compose in a way that's *dependent* on the unique features of a either a certain piece of gear or piece of established or open-source software, though, my contention is simply that you're going be more likely able to perform the software-dependent piece than the hw-dependent piece in 10 or 15 years (if you're careful about backups, etc.) Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: dominic frasca [mailto:onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? Warren, Warren, About the 1176 I was just trying to make the point that if you think computers hold there value or there effectiveness as much as vintage tube gear would be willing to trade an Universal Audio 1176 for an old 486 laptop? Because I think that would be misguided. Dominic From: Warren Sirota Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Warren want to trade? Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:06:17 -0500 >Hi Dominic, > >How great to hear from you - I was just trying to organize a group to go to >your guitar fest. concert, when I saw it was sold out (I think you added a >late show, but it's hard to get my wife and friends together for a 10PM >concert - we're mostly exurb-anites, up here in Greenwood Lake). > >I didn't realize that the Monkey was your space. As it happens, I am >actively seeking a place to hold the CD release party for The Sandbox, my >current experimental looping duo. Another coincidence! > >I don't know what 1176 you're referring to, maybe you could clarify that. > >It sounds like it would be cool to have a chat. Want to call me at >(845)477-0312? I'll be around all day, probably. > >Best wishes, >Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dominic frasca [mailto:onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:49 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Warren want to trade? > > > > > > Hi Warren Sirota, > > Andre LaFosse told me about your post. Since you seem to be > > very into older > > computers I have a nice 486 laptop I bought back in 95 that I > > would be more > > than happy to trade you for 1176 if you have one. > > Let me know. > > > > Also if you ever want to play that wonderful piece you > > composed in 1987 at > > my performance space The Monkey in NYC you have an open > > invitation. All the best Dominic > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 18:54:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B4E23BF04; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.76.147] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121103916.04974428@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:50:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7fcEjD.A.jtH.qNo0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:54:35 +0000 (UTC) At 09:38 AM 1/21/2006, a k butler wrote: >>Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . . They are demoing it in the Roland booth at NAMM. It looks pretty cool. I'll have more to say later when I've got more time. The guy demonstrating said his unit was still a prototype, but I think it is due to ship very soon. (I think he said march.) He also didn't know what feedback was when I asked him. It does have Fade functions buried in a menu, but he didn't know how to use them.... good show for looping: Looperlative, Electro-Harmonix Multi-track looper (4 track), Boss RC-50, Digitech JamMan, Guitar Rig looper, Zoom G2 etc. I didn't see Electrix yesterday, but I'll look today. They are not in the show directory. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 20:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177893BEFE; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e2.4bdcbd9e.3103ee6c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:07:08 EST Subject: Re: 2 Days of Loop Performance Recording Madness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e2.4bdcbd9e.3103ee6c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:07:12 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1e2.4bdcbd9e.3103ee6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheheh! You madman you! Sounds like you were having a very good time! The downloads were both fun. The longer one starts out in familiar Hartung territory but travels to some funny places along the way. Stay away from the "funny farm" though. And, if anyone offers you a new white jacket with extra long sleeves, just say "no thanks!" I like playing with a drumer on an electric kit as well. Dr. Bob Sterling the drummer I play with most often goes back and forth between a full Rolland V-Drum kit and a Handsonic with kick pedal and a couple of Korg Kaoss Pads. He can get very creative with just the latter. Sounds like you both were having some intense fun. I would've loved to have been there.=20 Anywhere where this sort of thing happens even on a semi-regular basis has got to have something going for it that most places don't. I'm looking foreward my trek to Boise in a couple of months. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free=20 from the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1e2.4bdcbd9e.3103ee6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heheheheh!

You madman you! Sounds like you were having a very good time!
The downloads were both fun. The longer one starts out in familiar
Hartung territory but travels to some funny places along the way.
Stay away from the "funny farm" though. And, if anyone offers
you a new white jacket with extra long sleeves, just say "no thanks!"

I like playing with a drumer on an electric kit as well. Dr. Bob Sterling the drummer I play with most often goes back and forth between a
full Rolland V-Drum kit and a Handsonic with kick pedal and a couple
of Korg Kaoss Pads. He can get very creative with just the latter.
Sounds like you both were having some intense fun. I would've loved
to have been there.

Anywhere where this sort of thing happens even on a semi-regular
basis has got to have something going for it that most places don't.
I'm looking foreward my trek to Boise in a couple of months.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free
from the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1e2.4bdcbd9e.3103ee6c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 21:50:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EAEE3BF00; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=O/U+jInmac0NwsIQPPZTT+Ts8pjp3YXgbSRYEfdL8119x/DOT0jZnS5YpydkAUq+9VJ9kW7g6a/hZ1GpgTsato2T3njvz9340osTH7Fl5gRneXNDg2Ax7KawAPAtGEzwpRexia70+Pk4PsC60+xI+UV7hv66g10RMqHHX+q9iV4= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:50:50 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: NY Next weekend MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9879_29450938.1137880250145" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:50:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9879_29450938.1137880250145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm going to be in Northport, Long Island from Thursday, 26th through the 2nd, partially to play a private party Stick/loop gig-thing and to visit friends. Does anyone have a venue/gig going on in the LI area, or Brooklyn/Queens or even the city? It's rare that I get to travel for a gig and actually go see a show in the same trip. I would love a chance to catch a show if possible. Thanks in advance! Clint Allen www.clintallen.com ------=_Part_9879_29450938.1137880250145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm going to be in Northport, Long Island from Thursday, 26th through the 2nd, partially to play a private party Stick/loop gig-thing and to visit friends.

Does anyone have a venue/gig going on in the LI area, or Brooklyn/Queens or= even the city?

It's rare that I get to travel for a gig and actually go see a show in the = same trip. I would love a chance to
catch a show if possible.


Thanks in advance!

Clint Allen
www.clintallen.com


------=_Part_9879_29450938.1137880250145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 22:23:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AA603BEFB; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s2g0JbThTlpDGp9XweqOUSzxpdX6VU1Km6gmHxk8fcZ5eg9pzAaa+ZZfs+JDX2xuILHJuTAb9pVV6fkXTYz1YNIGg2eMv1I4jyGJDYzY8ITLntP36Cp2gnK8yAp+YkWl6II7rHwWG5lXhIxHpd4iFlr3Ko0jXA2ZevMLaa2XTQE= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:23:45 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth In-Reply-To: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:23:47 +0000 (UTC) On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ including nice big ones of the new EHX looper http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg and EHX HOG: http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would interest folk here the most) On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > Hi > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > Just to see what the story is. > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs > umbrella" > Cheers > It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, eve= n > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 22:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979BF3BF14; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:29:45 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 References: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.2.20060121103916.04974428@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121103916.04974428@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Sorta blows my mind that very few of the new mass-market loopers have feedback control. The Boss demo-guy not even knowing what it was seems to reinforce the fact that this (IMO) fundamental feature is getting ignored. Hello static wall of sound! Dig Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:38 AM 1/21/2006, a k butler wrote: > >>> Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . . >> > > They are demoing it in the Roland booth at NAMM. It looks pretty cool. > I'll have more to say later when I've got more time. The guy > demonstrating said his unit was still a prototype, but I think it is > due to ship very soon. (I think he said march.) He also didn't know > what feedback was when I asked him. It does have Fade functions buried > in a menu, but he didn't know how to use them.... > > good show for looping: Looperlative, Electro-Harmonix Multi-track > looper (4 track), Boss RC-50, Digitech JamMan, Guitar Rig looper, Zoom > G2 etc. I didn't see Electrix yesterday, but I'll look today. They are > not in the show directory. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 22:37:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 476DE3BEFB; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c61edb$3bc2c890$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> Thread-Index: AcYe2jBg46ac/ZF8SxG/fvAphK//tAAAKRmA X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know who the demo-guy was? Lat time I saw a Roland demo-guy with the looper, he was playing the solo to Eurpoe's 'The Final Countdown' over the midi'd backing track stored in the looper...yay. Again, this calls for all those interested in something like the RC-50 to flood Roland with requests for an update. I do the same with Line6- the DL4 I use would double its usefulness if it had feedback control. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Sorta blows my mind that very few of the new mass-market > loopers have feedback control. The Boss demo-guy not even > knowing what it was seems to reinforce the fact that this > (IMO) fundamental feature is getting ignored. > > Hello static wall of sound! > > Dig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 22:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 051973BF1E; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: best distortion plug Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:41:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2052191530 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtY6OaxKI2POIpZ8H1fYMTM6jJqVMR2DikQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.140.24.123|smtp03.nyc.untd.com|outbound20-2.nyc.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:42:14 +0000 (UTC) sorry if this has already been discussed... i'm looking for a good distortion plug-in, or an amp-modeler that essentially can function as such. something that can produce a heavy, fuzzy guitar-type distortion, though i'm going to use it for other instruments obviously. anyone had any good experiences with such a thing? in my experience it's one of the harder good plug-in types to find. thanks for any advice/comments! -3nki From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 22:47:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250293BF23; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: best distortion plug Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:44:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:47:55 +0000 (UTC) O > i'm looking for a good distortion plug-in, or an amp-modeler that > essentially can function as such. something that can produce a > heavy, fuzzy guitar-type distortion, though i'm going to use it for > other instruments obviously. The Pod XT (or XT Pro) distortions are good. I remember liking the Big Muff sim quite a bit. That's pretty fuzzy, as you probably already know. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 23:21:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B003BF28; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nRitFrPM/bgfRNuuQbh55E296iuwPRvdroFXab9ClynoEVA07kDhQYtGpLFhsbGVHiGN6pUZmBkTpO2XQ44PAzqBiz0QJNOf59Xcq2Ds7DlqOalZZ4vG7gL+TXJbbmQ/7E2bq8zUhWMi0lqRHce1UYAUHbq+JhdTpes4fA5hzhM= ; Message-ID: <20060121232117.42228.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003e01c61edb$3bc2c890$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1290770097-1137885677=:41963" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:21:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-1290770097-1137885677=:41963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit skinny girlish long haired dude with an accent? hazard factor wrote: Anyone know who the demo-guy was? Lat time I saw a Roland demo-guy with the looper, he was playing the solo to Eurpoe's 'The Final Countdown' over the midi'd backing track stored in the looper...yay. Again, this calls for all those interested in something like the RC-50 to flood Roland with requests for an update. I do the same with Line6- the DL4 I use would double its usefulness if it had feedback control. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Sorta blows my mind that very few of the new mass-market > loopers have feedback control. The Boss demo-guy not even > knowing what it was seems to reinforce the fact that this > (IMO) fundamental feature is getting ignored. > > Hello static wall of sound! > > Dig > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. --0-1290770097-1137885677=:41963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
skinny girlish long haired dude with an accent?

hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
Anyone know who the demo-guy was? Lat time I saw a Roland demo-guy with the
looper, he was playing the solo to Eurpoe's 'The Final Countdown' over the
midi'd backing track stored in the looper...yay.
Again, this calls for all those interested in something like the RC-50 to
flood Roland with requests for an update. I do the same with Line6- the DL4
I use would double its usefulness if it had feedback control.

Dave Eichenberger
http://www.hazardfactor.com



>
> Sorta blows my mind that very few of the new mass-market
> loopers have feedback control. The Boss demo-guy not even
> knowing what it was seems to reinforce the fact that this
> (IMO) fundamental feature is getting ignored.
>
> Hello static wall of sound!
>
> Dig
>


Yahoo! Photos
Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. --0-1290770097-1137885677=:41963-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 23:27:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B38A3BF2F; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:27:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c61ee2$4f20a720$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20060121232117.42228.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcYe4WIp5BZo+n5USJ695PiaBIS3agAAJOYQ X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:27:55 +0000 (UTC) bingo... "the final countdoooownnnn" da da da da, da da da da da.... I talked to him too, when he did a demo of the current Loop Station at the store I teach at. Nice guy, but clearly, looping to him (and to Roland) was for practicing to backing tracks, not dynamic live performance. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ________________________________ From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] skinny girlish long haired dude with an accent? hazard factor wrote: Anyone know who the demo-guy was? Lat time I saw a Roland demo-guy with the From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 23:36:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 817673BF36; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=svjwmgwc8sHZIlMoXOCFnpeJowPBwcwKsaxAvkXaYbxJDnAFdtqryn8lTKWm6B7Q91ZAZvP320EveE1ytGLQgPUsIVsRGRoa0ZeVyNNEP30nn6y5jFmkEj5YWBSiG/WlbmsqdIkqXexjNCkXaataujUNNeIZQ0Y1lqolDu65mSo= ; Message-ID: <20060121233642.49400.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004801c61ee2$4f20a720$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1235688621-1137886602=:49353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <49-N8B.A.s0F.LWs0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:36:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1235688621-1137886602=:49353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yea nice enuff fellow.he has been my local nemisis for years.he rips perfect arpeggios.i counter with two hand stanley jordan style!he used to teach at lang music,next thing ya know hes doing demos with a balding curly haired(larry from stooges) roland rep.the rep took all the questions about looping and still didnt know from a hole in the ground.but nice guys. im all in, scary hazard factor wrote: bingo... "the final countdoooownnnn" da da da da, da da da da da.... I talked to him too, when he did a demo of the current Loop Station at the store I teach at. Nice guy, but clearly, looping to him (and to Roland) was for practicing to backing tracks, not dynamic live performance. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ________________________________ From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] skinny girlish long haired dude with an accent? hazard factor wrote: Anyone know who the demo-guy was? Lat time I saw a Roland demo-guy with the --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-1235688621-1137886602=:49353 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yea nice enuff fellow.he has been my local nemisis for years.he rips perfect arpeggios.i counter with two hand stanley jordan style!he used to teach at lang music,next thing ya know hes doing demos with a balding curly haired(larry from stooges) roland rep.the rep took all the questions about looping and still didnt know from a hole in the ground.but nice guys.
                                       im all in,
                                                    scary

hazard factor <artists@hazardfactor.com> wrote:
bingo...
"the final countdoooownnnn" da da da da, da da da da da....
I talked to him too, when he did a demo of the current Loop Station at the
store I teach at. Nice guy, but clearly, looping to him (and to Roland) was
for practicing to backing tracks, not dynamic live performance.

Dave Eichenberger
http://www.hazardfactor.com



________________________________

From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]

skinny girlish long haired dude with an accent?

hazard factor wrote:

Anyone know who the demo-guy was? Lat time I saw a Roland
demo-guy with the



Yahoo! Photos
Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --0-1235688621-1137886602=:49353-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 21 23:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC4173BF3F; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [87.74.23.114] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004801c61ee2$4f20a720$6500a8c0@presto> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pics of the new EH HOG and 2880 Looper Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:39:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2006 23:39:53.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA43E1C0:01C61EE3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:39:54 +0000 (UTC) the HOG will be mine....oh yes! HOG - http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.html 2880 Looper - http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.html sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 01:01:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8B283BF19; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:01:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: best distortion plug Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1247/Sat Jan 21 02:24:51 2006 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:01:41 +0000 (UTC) At 2:41 PM -0800 1/21/06, 3nki wrote: >anyone had any good experiences with such a thing? in my experience it's one of the harder good plug-in types to find. It's worth checking Ohm Force's Predathom http://www.ohmforce.com/ViewProduct.do?p=Predatohm and Izotope's Trash http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/trash/ -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 04:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8D1F3BF26; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T046LEQn4GTYmyB7b6EV87Bcd6PgKD1jNXrRLaxcUhX6NvjNrFOj4IlzBOT13HYxPoDBSHquaFIldve9VFugANqE34q7BO0Rsvu1kMqdA4VdsvYee3ihfw3GzBKu8xNw/USDsF93btvl73GK/VhxjJyNLhUOkwrFyhvgoqPD5nc= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601212008w342a5af9iaead5a2db073d9b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:08:01 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best distortion plug In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:08:03 +0000 (UTC) I've only used these for guitar, but I'm very happy with Green Machine http://www.greenmachine.pwuq.net/html/greenmachineamp.html and the free guitar suite has a great Marshall sim: http://www.simulanalog.org/guitarsuite.htm Here's an interesting thread with some audio samples of different VST guitar amp sims: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D94147&highlight=3Dguitar+am= p+sims On 1/21/06, Chris Muir wrote: > At 2:41 PM -0800 1/21/06, 3nki wrote: > >anyone had any good experiences with such a thing? in my experience it's= one of the harder good plug-in types to find. > > It's worth checking Ohm Force's Predathom http://www.ohmforce.com/ViewPro= duct.do?p=3DPredatohm and Izotope's Trash http://www.izotope.com/products/a= udio/trash/ > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 04:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335713BF3C; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c61f09$ecb6fda0$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.2.20060121103916.04974428@loopers-delight.com> <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:11:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Regarding the advice from the Roland at NAMM about it being available in March, its already on sale in Europe. You can have it now for only $499 Euros plus shipping . - CW http://www.musik-service.de/boss-rc-50-loop-station-prx395753593en.aspx x>> At 09:38 AM 1/21/2006, a k butler wrote: >> >>>> Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . . >>> >> >> They are demoing it in the Roland booth at NAMM. It looks pretty cool. >> I'll have more to say later when I've got more time. The guy >> demonstrating said his unit was still a prototype, but I think it is due >> to ship very soon. (I think he said march.) He also didn't know what >> feedback was when I asked him. It does have Fade functions buried in a >> menu, but he didn't know how to use them.... >> >> good show for looping: Looperlative, Electro-Harmonix Multi-track looper >> (4 track), Boss RC-50, Digitech JamMan, Guitar Rig looper, Zoom G2 etc. I >> didn't see Electrix yesterday, but I'll look today. They are not in the >> show directory. >> >> kim >> >> x From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 04:38:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69C7F3BF35; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601212008w342a5af9iaead5a2db073d9b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> <588ce11d0601212008w342a5af9iaead5a2db073d9b5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <693EAA88-A8AC-4D74-B4C3-010D24FF2F81@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: best distortion plug Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:38:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 18:9:3791587131 X-MAIL-INFO: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 a9b9a544e4385da1f5ade0e09591e5e53591b0e495f4e9f070 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtf9aFeia5YHslvhH/TKC9u+6Gp2LO8pqfA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.123|smtp03.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:38:57 +0000 (UTC) wow, thnx for the responses! i'm checking these out now... one thing i should have mentioned is that i am running OS X, so i guess an AU version would be best. many of the free ones seem to be Windows-only VST. i could go for a commercial one too, but i was struck by how many free ones there are. unfortunately it's tough to try out them out when i'm on OS X! well, i'll keep looking and see if i can find a few OS X ones to try out.. and of course will post my thoughts ;) -3nki On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:08 PM, Art Simon wrote: > I've only used these for guitar, but I'm very happy with Green Machine > http://www.greenmachine.pwuq.net/html/greenmachineamp.html > and the free guitar suite has a great Marshall sim: > http://www.simulanalog.org/guitarsuite.htm > > Here's an interesting thread with some audio samples of different VST > guitar amp sims: > http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94147&highlight=guitar > +amp+sims > > On 1/21/06, Chris Muir wrote: >> At 2:41 PM -0800 1/21/06, 3nki wrote: >>> anyone had any good experiences with such a thing? in my >>> experience it's one of the harder good plug-in types to find. >> >> It's worth checking Ohm Force's Predathom http://www.ohmforce.com/ >> ViewProduct.do?p=Predatohm and Izotope's Trash http:// >> www.izotope.com/products/audio/trash/ >> >> -C >> >> -- >> Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status >> quo. >> cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, >> http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 05:31:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4E5A3BF41; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <693EAA88-A8AC-4D74-B4C3-010D24FF2F81@modaldub.net> References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> <588ce11d0601212008w342a5af9iaead5a2db073d9b5@mail.gmail.com> <693EAA88-A8AC-4D74-B4C3-010D24FF2F81@modaldub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0697CE1E-FE96-442B-A852-007C7D0D6E72@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: best distortion plug Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:30:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ContentStamp: 24:12:3800035569 X-MAIL-INFO: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 307445105571b5bde5e5c02000008de459615059f150b17429109561d56410b9e9f53dcdfd09e9909929e50070e0d48de591a9f9b08dc0e021a9f0c99415798515b52511252571749dc161dd89c414f494f494dd459454f554304104a52991a59520e595e99190e0704160bd05e1d5258525047004f5059045dd71d929cd75648129cdcd24e0e595e5e529351000e47580c195e9f950507049a9a97d49657570388d24fd X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g+qZWI0rFLK+bp/5hUqFtf9aFeia5YHs/R77kFrVRG2krPPR/c2UzQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.123|smtp03.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|3nki@modaldub.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:31:15 +0000 (UTC) i found these three free AU/OS X ones: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/937.html http://www.kvraudio.com/get/537.html (more of a filer): http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1676.html -3nki On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:38 PM, 3nki wrote: > wow, thnx for the responses! i'm checking these out now... one > thing i should have mentioned is that i am running OS X, so i guess > an AU version would be best. many of the free ones seem to be > Windows-only VST. i could go for a commercial one too, but i was > struck by how many free ones there are. unfortunately it's tough to > try out them out when i'm on OS X! well, i'll keep looking and see > if i can find a few OS X ones to try out.. and of course will post > my thoughts ;) > > -3nki > > > > On Jan 21, 2006, at 8:08 PM, Art Simon wrote: > >> I've only used these for guitar, but I'm very happy with Green >> Machine >> http://www.greenmachine.pwuq.net/html/greenmachineamp.html >> and the free guitar suite has a great Marshall sim: >> http://www.simulanalog.org/guitarsuite.htm >> >> Here's an interesting thread with some audio samples of different VST >> guitar amp sims: >> http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php? >> t=94147&highlight=guitar+amp+sims >> >> On 1/21/06, Chris Muir wrote: >>> At 2:41 PM -0800 1/21/06, 3nki wrote: >>>> anyone had any good experiences with such a thing? in my >>>> experience it's one of the harder good plug-in types to find. >>> >>> It's worth checking Ohm Force's Predathom http://www.ohmforce.com/ >>> ViewProduct.do?p=Predatohm and Izotope's Trash http:// >>> www.izotope.com/products/audio/trash/ >>> >>> -C >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one >>> status quo. >>> cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, >>> http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Art Simon >> simart@null.net >> http://art.simon.tripod.com >> http://artsimon.iuma.com >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 06:24:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3973BF41; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0697CE1E-FE96-442B-A852-007C7D0D6E72@modaldub.net> References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> <588ce11d0601212008w342a5af9iaead5a2db073d9b5@mail.gmail.com> <693EAA88-A8AC-4D74-B4C3-010D24FF2F81@modaldub.net> <0697CE1E-FE96-442B-A852-007C7D0D6E72@modaldub.net> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:24:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: best distortion plug Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Okay, three quick things... First: At 9:30 PM -0800 1/21/06, 3nki wrote: > >(more of a filter): http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1676.html I've been playing around with Minion for a few weeks now, and this thing is a blast! Just the thing for turning an audio feed into a blurbling, gorgling mass of fun. I have a hard time believing it's free, but I'm not about to look a gift horse in the mouth. Second: No matter what kind of distortion plug you finally settle on, go over to... http://mda.smartelectronix.com/effects.htm ...and download the AU bundle from MDA. What you're after is an unassuming little widget named Combo. This is a no nonsense speaker simulator, and it sounds pretty darn good. You won't get a whole lot of options, but this will add a whole new dimension to any other distortion plug that you happen to be using. It does have some distortion settings if you want to use them (I usually turn that off entirely and just make use of the speaker sims) and the CPU hit is negligible. Finally, somebody mentioned putting a Pod in line with your signal. If you're going to consider hardware, take a good look at the Yamaha Magicstomp pedal. It includes the Yamaha DG-Stomp amp sim and distortion algorithms, which sound wonderful. And that's not to mention that you also get a lot of other effects crammed in there as well -- the UD-Stomp delay algorithms, pitch shift, filters, reverbs, and a bunch of other effects from the SPX-9000 rack mount unit. Using outboard will also take some of the burden off your computer, if that's an issue. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 07:30:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC063BF26; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.74.86] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121214435.046867c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:29:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> References: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.2.20060121103916.04974428@loopers-delight.com> <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:01 +0000 (UTC) At 02:29 PM 1/21/2006, Doug Cox wrote: >Sorta blows my mind that very few of the new mass-market loopers have >feedback control. Of the new stuff at the show, both Looperlative LP-1 and Electro-Harmonix 2880 Super Multi-Track Looper have feedback control. Looperlative seems straightforward. You can set feedback independently on any track, and feedback is always happening. In the EH 2880, feedback only happens on the active track, and only while in overdub. It shares the feedback control with the output level for the track, which seems kind of odd. So if you are setting feedback for overdubbing, it affects the track mix while not overdubbing. And if you have a particular track mix set, it affects feedback when you go into overdub. I asked them why they did that, and they didn't have any good explanation. I also asked why they restrict feedback control to just one track, and only while overdubbing. They didn't understand why anybody would want feedback any other time. They just have it as a way to prevent the loop from overloading. It almost seemed accidental that they have it at all, but it is there. Boss RC-50 is unclear. The fade in/out function can be set over a complete range of values, but I don't know if overdub can continue while it is fading. (for that matter, I don't really know what this function does exactly, since I didn't see it demoed.) It definitely is not a featured thing about the product. The looper in Guitar Rig does not have feedback. (there is a delay module with feedback control however.) The NI marketing guy who demonstrated it to me was again clueless why anybody would want feedback in a looper. He said it would be impossible for them to do it because it is a sample based looper, and it wouldn't work in the design architecture. >The Boss demo-guy not even knowing what it was seems to reinforce the fact >that this (IMO) fundamental feature is getting ignored. at least at Roland, yes. The RC-50 engineer was at the show, and the demonstrator went looking for him for me but could not find him. I left my card, hopefully he contacts me. I'd like to ask him why. >Hello static wall of sound! yep. Their ad copy even says "create a perfectly synced wall of sound live onstage". although if you just use loopers to play guitar solos over pre-loaded rhythm loops, maybe this doesn't matter so much. that is how it was mostly being demonstrated. However, other than the feedback thing the RC-50 is pretty cool. It has 3 stereo tracks in a loop preset. Each is like a separate RC-20xl. You can have 99 presets, with different pre-loaded loops, parameter configurations, and whatnot for each preset. The tracks in a preset can either operate in parallel (all playing together) or sequentially (for verse-chorus-bridge type stuff). Tracks can be different lengths or sync'd together. The tracks can be independently put into reverse or overdub. It can do time stretching per track to match up tempos. Nice big pedals for selecting tracks. No deeper functions like multiply, insert, copy, etc. There is a quantize mode for lining commands up to loop boundaries. It has a USB port and loads .wav files directly. Also midi in and out, with claimed midi clock sync both ways. It does not have a CF card. They said Boss prides itself on making products that are very reliable and can hold up to a lot of abuse on stage, and CF cards are not reliable enough. that is probably true. the CF connector spec was definitely not intended for rugged industrial applications like music performance. Price is supposed to be $785 list or something like that, about $500 street. It will be nice when some people really get RC-50's and report back on real-world usage. It is very hard to get a the details at a NAMM demo in the Boss room. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 07:30:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9A163BF4D; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.74.86] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121221356.04361500@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:15:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <004401c61f09$ecb6fda0$6401a8c0@charles2> References: <20060121163054.B8C133BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> <6.1.2.0.2.20060121103916.04974428@loopers-delight.com> <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> <004401c61f09$ecb6fda0$6401a8c0@charles2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:04 +0000 (UTC) At 08:11 PM 1/21/2006, Charles Winters wrote: >Regarding the advice from the Roland at NAMM about it being available in >March, its already on sale in Europe. You can have it now for only $499 >Euros plus shipping . - CW > >http://www.musik-service.de/boss-rc-50-loop-station-prx395753593en.aspx is it really shipping though? I have not heard of anybody owning one yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 07:30:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0FE3BF5C; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.74.86] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121222947.0482b038@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:57:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth In-Reply-To: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:06 +0000 (UTC) At 03:39 PM 1/20/2006, mrweasel wrote: >Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? >Just to see what the story is. >They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs >umbrella" I went to that booth today. That is the Body Glov both. There were video screens showing surfers. Attractive yet vacuous looking models were standing around pointlessly, ignoring everybody. There were some clothing racks. Initially I was really mystified why Body Glov would even be at NAMM, until I noticed they make instrument cases. I guess for when you take your guitar surfing. There was nothing remotely electronic in the booth. That makes sense, because those models are not cheap! You wouldn't want to risk one of them injuring themselves with electricity, or by trying to answer some looper's geeky questions. I thought you must be playing some strange joke on me by sending me there, or perhaps trying to improve my social life. (it didn't work.) But I checked the show directory, and sure enough that was eBlitz Audio Labs. Their brands are listed as "Body Glov, FXpansion, Electrix". I asked the one intelligent looking person in the booth if she knew anything about Electrix, and she did not. Whoever was in charge was not around, and I never did find that person when I went by again. >Cheers >It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, even >though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection This news should really clear things up then. Speaking of surf, as I was leaving the show Friday night the Ventures started playing on a stage just outside. Wow, that ruled! They were so tight and sounded just amazing. And they were clearly having a great time playing. a real treat. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 07:30:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9DF3BF6B; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.74.86] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121230846.046867c0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:31:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <003e01c61edb$3bc2c890$6500a8c0@presto> References: <43D2B5D9.1010805@pdq.net> <003e01c61edb$3bc2c890$6500a8c0@presto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:08 +0000 (UTC) At 02:37 PM 1/21/2006, hazard factor wrote: >Anyone know who the demo-guy was? It was Paul Hanson. He's a really nice guy, and very helpful. He's admittedly not much experienced with looping, but he is an excellent rock guitar player. He does all that sweep picking stuff really well and was obviously capable of all the shredding stuff, but thankfully kept that very restrained while I was there. His name sounded familiar to me, so I googled him and remembered. In the late 80's, his picture was on the back of all the guitar mags. He endorsed something called the "axsak", which was some sort of protective sock for a guitar. I never understood why anybody would want one of those, or why some guy I never heard of was endorsing it. I was really glad to finally meet that guy! BTW, after several years of exile the guitar shredders have crept back into NAMM. A very grim turn of events. How come nobody pulled the feeding tube when we had the chance? There were a lot less bass shredders though. It is hard to say which is worse. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 07:30:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0FA3BF58; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AQfHgLxBCa+7qcxe/mkpBn4JCGBH3vzW1pE8t5K7m6lHSKVrl8XNr2mdJQHGrkMHe27LP6f/FIwp9MRPIEcZ7P1xrPZGnmVJJ8iBP+6wmv5fssysgvPPKVo7mMzu7yFeS6Z1P3cZow54d7lW6ADa/nnJRIto3xgN0O3/FVlYe0Y= ; Message-ID: <20060122073051.23735.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004401c61f09$ecb6fda0$6401a8c0@charles2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:30:53 +0000 (UTC) it says it will be abailable on the 23 of february no 1/2 speed? i am sad... --- Charles Winters wrote: > Regarding the advice from the Roland at NAMM about > it being available in > March, its already on sale in Europe. You can have > it now for only $499 > Euros plus shipping . - CW > > http://www.musik-service.de/boss-rc-50-loop-station-prx395753593en.aspx > > > x>> At 09:38 AM 1/21/2006, a k butler wrote: > >> > >>>> Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the > Boss US Web site . . . > >>> > >> > >> They are demoing it in the Roland booth at NAMM. > It looks pretty cool. > >> I'll have more to say later when I've got more > time. The guy > >> demonstrating said his unit was still a > prototype, but I think it is due > >> to ship very soon. (I think he said march.) He > also didn't know what > >> feedback was when I asked him. It does have Fade > functions buried in a > >> menu, but he didn't know how to use them.... > >> > >> good show for looping: Looperlative, > Electro-Harmonix Multi-track looper > >> (4 track), Boss RC-50, Digitech JamMan, Guitar > Rig looper, Zoom G2 etc. I > >> didn't see Electrix yesterday, but I'll look > today. They are not in the > >> show directory. > >> > >> kim > >> > >> > x > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 08:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C743BF51; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 03:26:55 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c61f2d$9bcf47c0$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <00E7A0C0-14B2-45EE-B001-23C8FFC0638E@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcYafOqMFvd5l2S0QG6LPOx+FWZ9vAErzLdw X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Oh, wow...you know in the 10 years I have had the EDP, I had never tried this...can ya believe it? I am now figuring out how the EDP sends the StartSong message as soon as the loop is closed- Stylus is starting like it is supposed to, within Sonar. However...and maybe I don't quite have this yet....the master tempo in Sonar isn't changing. So the EDP is sending a StartSong message, the rhythm starts, but at whatever tempo is previously set to the default in Sonar, not any new tempo. Does StartSong contain tempo info, or does it just, um, start the sequencer? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > You should really try doing it the other way around: Playing > the EDP and sync RMX to the EDP MIDI Clock. I guess you would > not want to go back if you tried it ;-) Also, by using MIDI > sequences you limit the RMX quite a lot. Try to run it in > MIDI Mode "Groove" (instead of > "Slice") and map some MIDI faders, pedals or whatever to > critical RMX function. That way you can "play" it in realtime > as you loop with the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 09:15:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D93F33BF63; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <007101c61f2d$9bcf47c0$6500a8c0@presto> References: <007101c61f2d$9bcf47c0$6500a8c0@presto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DA3EA65-AE2D-41A6-9FEE-ED9B01BAC60E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:15:51 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:15:49 +0000 (UTC) I don't have Sonar around here, but look for some "sync" or "slave" button to activate in Sonar. You have to tell Sonar that it is supposed to listen for an incoming MIDI Clock and hook up to the tempo and start playback. per On 22 jan 2006, at 09.26, hazard factor wrote: > Oh, wow...you know in the 10 years I have had the EDP, I had never > tried > this...can ya believe it? I am now figuring out how the EDP sends the > StartSong message as soon as the loop is closed- Stylus is starting > like it > is supposed to, within Sonar. However...and maybe I don't quite > have this > yet....the master tempo in Sonar isn't changing. So the EDP is > sending a > StartSong message, the rhythm starts, but at whatever tempo is > previously > set to the default in Sonar, not any new tempo. Does StartSong > contain tempo > info, or does it just, um, start the sequencer? > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >> You should really try doing it the other way around: Playing >> the EDP and sync RMX to the EDP MIDI Clock. I guess you would >> not want to go back if you tried it ;-) Also, by using MIDI >> sequences you limit the RMX quite a lot. Try to run it in >> MIDI Mode "Groove" (instead of >> "Slice") and map some MIDI faders, pedals or whatever to >> critical RMX function. That way you can "play" it in realtime >> as you loop with the EDP. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 10:06:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C13F3BEF0; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43D274D4.3010007@soundscapes.us> References: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> <50EED69F-A733-4F87-A3ED-40F0D5F23452@boysen.se> <43D274D4.3010007@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <792AA4BB-6880-4DE0-AEB2-94D01F7ADCDE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Call for Participation Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:06:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:06:18 +0000 (UTC) >> On 19 jan 2006, at 06.25, Bill Fox wrote: >> >>> For more information visit the event's web site. >>> >> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >> This looks very cool! But why don't they pay performers and >> speakers? If they did that they might be able to pull off a >> better program. How are they going to sell people tickets to "go >> and see amateurs that love what they do so much that they do it >> for free and as a result force themselves into keeping another >> job that in fact prevents them from becoming really good"? > On 21 jan 2006, at 18.52, Bill Fox wrote: > Last year's inaugural event was attended not only by people across > the USA but by people from the UK, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, > and Germany. It was a very successful event that presented Amy X. > Neuburg (USA), Wave World (NL), Mark Jenkins (UK), and a host of > other top quality acts. How much better can it get? All paid to > play/present/demonstrate because everyone attends electro-music as > a participant of the community. > > Perhaps I'm biased because my friends and Xeroid Entity band mates > (Howard and Greg) organized the event or because I was PA and > Recording Coordinator. Do not believe me. But do visit event.electro-music.com/event.php?t=9583> and read what the > participants felt about the whole event. Pictures are at event.electro-music.com/event.php?t=9585>. > > I encourage you to join the electro-music forum music.com/forum> and be welcomed by our family of electro > musicians. I'd really like to see some loopers attend. A > demonstration of Mobius looping software would be outstanding! > (Hint, hint!!) There will also be a need for people to make audio > and video recordings of the event and to run the sound systems. > Last year, all PA and recording equipment used was loaned by > participants. When the beer arrived, participants pitched in to > lug the very heavy kegs into the building and set them up so that > the "beer wenches" wouldn't have to do it themselves. It's a real > community effort. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > P.S. Check out Greg's stylish attire! > Bill, That was a damn fine answer! I'm sorry about my somewhat provocative post. After watching all 244 pictures, of last year, I can now proudly say I know a little about the "electro-music" community! I'd would love to go there in june if it wasn't for the distance/cost issue. But I will definitely check in with the forum. Thanks for making good things happen! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 12:10:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C987F3BEFE; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KAL3+0kOCFIUrKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060122120144.028da860@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:09:12 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20060122073007.9410C3BF65@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060122073007.9410C3BF65@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:10:34 +0000 (UTC) At 07:30 22/01/06, Kim wrote: >There is a quantize mode for lining commands up to loop boundaries. So would that mean that loop 2 could be an exact number of times the length of loop1? That would give a pretty good "Multiply" >. It is very hard to get a the details at a NAMM demo in the Boss room. :-) ...when the "experts" are demonstrating it andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 13:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 837203BEF5; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:31:15 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Call for Participation In-reply-to: <792AA4BB-6880-4DE0-AEB2-94D01F7ADCDE@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Howard Moscovitz , Greg Waltzer Message-id: <43D38923.1080802@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <43CF22C9.3010809@soundscapes.us> <50EED69F-A733-4F87-A3ED-40F0D5F23452@boysen.se> <43D274D4.3010007@soundscapes.us> <792AA4BB-6880-4DE0-AEB2-94D01F7ADCDE@boysen.se> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > That was a damn fine answer! I'm sorry about my somewhat provocative > post. After watching all 244 pictures, of last year, I can now > proudly say I know a little about the "electro-music" community! I'd > would love to go there in june if it wasn't for the distance/cost > issue. But I will definitely check in with the forum. Thanks for > making good things happen! Thanks for liking my answer. Provocative posts are fine, imo. Yours merely pointed out to me that electro-music needs a little explaination before people really get what it's all about. Welcome to the forum and see you in Europe! Yes, electro-music fully intends to hold an event in Europe one of these days. However, I won't be lugging my PA or recording gear to that one. ;-) BTW, last year Howard brought his Moog modular and even let Mark Jenkins use it on stage. Most of the time, it was in a gallery for people to try it out. There were performers who used looping technology but I'd sure like to see an expert present a paper or do a proper demo. Last year, Clavia sent someone to announce and present the new Patch Mutator for the G2. Perhaps if a looping expert were to present a paper, one (or more?) of the looper manufacturers might take notice. It's a long shot, I know, but we dream big at electro-music. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 13:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA8903BF01; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ob02+SSSckRl4/JOAumlnkQlJpzewIdjFV5TutrbjzZxSsqsjD0jXHyyc5BaLA66x0jCs/FS39GgDl2/6wmCqb5KQWX1yyAJWvZ04Dnu0CGgzr/aDwz9rjNiey94uJfU8PFvBHdUKiWAUXUT7UxqslnWPh8NKrvUxHuhriLcJjQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601220559n1fc1c532j2b0f91c344855dee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:59:25 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best distortion plug In-Reply-To: <693EAA88-A8AC-4D74-B4C3-010D24FF2F81@modaldub.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> <94336552-0A40-4893-BA33-038F15F96858@modaldub.net> <588ce11d0601212008w342a5af9iaead5a2db073d9b5@mail.gmail.com> <693EAA88-A8AC-4D74-B4C3-010D24FF2F81@modaldub.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:59:27 +0000 (UTC) A quick search at KVR turned up this list of free OS X AU plug-ins: Audio Damage =09FuzzPlus =09Distortion / Overdrive / Amp =09Free LUXONIX =09LFX-1310 =09Multi FX =09Free mda =09Combo =09Distortion / Overdrive / Amp =09Free Smart Electronix =09Cyanide =09Wave Shaper =09Free (Donationware) Smart Electronix =09DFX Polarizer =09Lo Fi =09Free Sound Consulting =09Bad Cable =09FSU =09Free Sound Consulting =09Overflow =09Distortion / Overdrive / Amp =09Free TriTone Digital =09ColorTone =09EQ =09Free / $129 Only one I've tried is LFX-1310 which isn't a bad multi-fx box. Definitely worth the download. On 1/21/06, 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> wrote: > wow, thnx for the responses! i'm checking these out now... one thing > i should have mentioned is that i am running OS X, so i guess an AU > version would be best. many of the free ones seem to be Windows-only > VST. i could go for a commercial one too, but i was struck by how > many free ones there are. unfortunately it's tough to try out them > out when i'm on OS X! well, i'll keep looking and see if i can find a > few OS X ones to try out.. and of course will post my thoughts ;) > > -3nki -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 14:55:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B9733BF00; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.19.20.72] X-Originating-Email: [onacidicfarms@hotmail.com] X-Sender: onacidicfarms@hotmail.com From: "dominic frasca" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Q for dominic Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:55:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2006 14:55:35.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[E67098C0:01C61F63] Resent-Message-ID: <3SZXNB.A.ARG.oz50DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:55:36 +0000 (UTC)



Hi Ric,

I don't know Michael, but Steve is one of my favorite people.He is actually playing at my performance space The Monkey on Tuesday. I will definitely ask him about Michael.

Hey at least being a jack of all trades is you can cut any gig that come along.

All the best

Dominic 

From:  monk <monk@fuse.net>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  Q for dominic
Date:  Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:45:36 -0500
>dominic,
>
>
>  did i read that you studied with steve aron in akron? i studied  
>with a guy who was kind of a protege/pupil of his. did you ever hear
>  of michael vahila?he studied with eric kloss in new york and moved
>  back to ohio to study classical with steve.
>
>
>  i studied classical and jazz. jack of all trades and master of
>none.
>
>
>peace.
>
>
>ric hordinski
>
>monk@fuse.net
>
>www.richordinski.com
>
>www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic
>
>
>
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 16:25:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 185233BEFF; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: best distortion plug - multi-fx plugs Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:25:39 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYfXA9AWRmA0LyRQT29A25kK9bywAAEhUCg In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601220559n1fc1c532j2b0f91c344855dee@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4UpfBC.A.n0.II70DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:25:45 +0000 (UTC) > Only one I've tried is LFX-1310 which isn't a bad multi-fx box. > Definitely worth the download. Yikes, you can say that. When I asked for a multi-fx VST for Windows that is easy on the CPU a few weeks ago, this was the thing I was looking for all along ;). To keep with the distortion discussion: From the plugins you mentioned, I do remember the Cyanide. This is a distortion where you can draw your wanted dynamic I/O curve on the screen, and get an additional HP/LP filter pre/post each. With this one, you can get a great variety of different distortion/fuzz/overdrive sounds, if you know what you're doing (meaning: if you know how the clipping of a Ge diode has an effect on the I/O characteristic etc.). Two other devices I'd like to mention (although I don't know whether they're available for Mac) are Buz and OctoBuz, both by buzzroom (www.x-buz.com, who does no longer support them). Buz is a distortion, OctBuz a combined +/-1 octaver/distortion. No fancy stuff - just plain stompbox-style distortion. Couldn't find anything about in on the page, but I believe it's windows only... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 16:55:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2093BF0D; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69CD6B94-1074-4395-A2A4-448898C134EA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: best distortion plug - multi-fx plugs Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:55:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-kagT.A.WbB.Rk70DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jan 2006, at 17.25, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > distortion I just want to add a cool function of Ohmforce PredatOhm, that no one mentioned so far. It's the "acoustic feedback simulation". May not be well suited for real-time live playing but try to apply it to anything in controlled computer DAW production and you have the most sinister sound heard by mankind right under your fingertips. Unfortunately Ohmforce charge you twice if you use both XP and Mac pc's, but the plug is fantastic IMHO! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 17:57:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970233BEFC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.75.176] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060122094338.045d5748@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:51:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060122120144.028da860@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060122073007.9410C3BF65@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060122120144.028da860@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:57:42 +0000 (UTC) At 04:09 AM 1/22/2006, you wrote: >At 07:30 22/01/06, Kim wrote: >>There is a quantize mode for lining commands up to loop boundaries. > >So would that mean that loop 2 could be an exact number of times the >length of loop1? I would think so, but I'm not sure. >That would give a pretty good "Multiply" > >>. It is very hard to get a the details at a NAMM demo in the Boss room. > >:-) ...when the "experts" are demonstrating it plus the high level of noise, multiple demos competing with each other, constant people coming up asking questions, Roland sales managers coming up wanting the guitar hero demo done yet again for some VIP client, etc. You have to suffer a lot for each question answered. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 17:57:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27CCD3BF1A; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.75.176] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060122095259.047e1248@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:59:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: EDP and StylusRMX In-Reply-To: <007101c61f2d$9bcf47c0$6500a8c0@presto> References: <00E7A0C0-14B2-45EE-B001-23C8FFC0638E@boysen.se> <007101c61f2d$9bcf47c0$6500a8c0@presto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:57:44 +0000 (UTC) At 12:26 AM 1/22/2006, hazard factor wrote: > I am now figuring out how the EDP sends the >StartSong message as soon as the loop is closed- Stylus is starting like it >is supposed to, within Sonar. However...and maybe I don't quite have this >yet....the master tempo in Sonar isn't changing. So the EDP is sending a >StartSong message, the rhythm starts, but at whatever tempo is previously >set to the default in Sonar, not any new tempo. It sounds like you are missing some setting in Sonar. >Does StartSong contain tempo >info, or does it just, um, start the sequencer? MIDI StartSong command means "start the sequencer at the next MIDI clock command". It doesn't have any tempo info. Tempo is then defined by the frequency of the following MIDI clock commands. You might also find the various ReAlign and Tempo type commands in LoopIV interesting. Many of them were designed just for working with sequencers like you are doing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 19:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 628423BEDC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [67.120.75.221] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060122104647.04a73df0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:59:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? In-Reply-To: <002b01c6188c$4ec59ee0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <9CC00E59-6FBD-4B25-A138-13EFAB98F573@tiscali.it> <002b01c6188c$4ec59ee0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:11:18 +0000 (UTC) At 01:57 PM 1/13/2006, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >I am an owner of an Oberheim EDP and newer beige Gibson EDPs. > >With the previous Loop III software, I had a Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP >connected together to make a stereo pair and I experienced no >synchronization issues at all. > >However, when I upgraded my EDPs to the latest Loop IV software, I >experienced synchronization problems between the Oberheim and Gibson models. This really doesn't make any sense. The sync used for stereo is done by a hardware circuit, not software. It is hard to understand how it could be possible for such a sync problem to develop just by upgrading the software to LoopIV. I think it must be that your units had some problem with sync before that you didn't notice, or you are doing something different now that is causing some other problem. Upgrading to LoopIV seems like the least likely reason. >I learned from reading Loopers-Delight that the older Oberheim and the newer >beige Gibson models can have synchronization problems because of differences >in the "crystals" they each use. Not exactly. There were some sloppy manufacturing runs in the distant past where the clock crystals used were the wrong tolerance spec. Oftentimes they still work fine for sync, but there have been some occasions where those units had problems. It is easy to fix if you are willing to have the service done. (or you can do it yourself if you have the soldering skills. All the new black EDP Plus units use very tight tolerance crystals, better than the original spec. These units are very well made and the sync works fine. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 19:14:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 985F53BECD; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: <009e01c61f88$07900490$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060122095259.047e1248@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcYffVmGfsy0eD53T6C2J/K5PzvCrAACmH1w X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:14:10 +0000 (UTC) This is what I was thinking. I mean, it is starting, so I can tell it is getting a command to start after the loop is closed. I just have to sort out the tempo thing. I will mess with ReAlign as soon as I get it working properly. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > It sounds like you are missing some setting in Sonar. > > >Does StartSong contain tempo > >info, or does it just, um, start the sequencer? > > MIDI StartSong command means "start the sequencer at the next > MIDI clock command". It doesn't have any tempo info. Tempo is > then defined by the frequency of the following MIDI clock commands. > > You might also find the various ReAlign and Tempo type > commands in LoopIV interesting. Many of them were designed > just for working with sequencers like you are doing. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 19:47:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0EFE3BEDE; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E891BA5-D720-4718-90AA-19A4CA28A9E5@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: best distortion plug - multi-fx plugs Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:47:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:47:13 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jan 2006, at 17.25, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > distortion I just want to add a cool function of Ohmforce PredatOhm, that no one mentioned so far. It's the "acoustic feedback simulation". May not be well suited for real-time live playing but try to apply it to anything in controlled computer DAW production and you have the most sinister sound heard by mankind right under your fingertips. Unfortunately Ohmforce charge you twice if you use both XP and Mac pc's, but the plug is fantastic IMHO! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 19:56:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1BBD3BEE8; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:56:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00a901c61f8d$f649f690$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <3DA3EA65-AE2D-41A6-9FEE-ED9B01BAC60E@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcYfNG+835JoU6OxSTWRRHPOKz9yzAAWWEBQ X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Already got it...Sonar starts as it is supposed to, just at the wrong tempo...I gotta do some more digging.... Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I don't have Sonar around here, but look for some "sync" or "slave" > button to activate in Sonar. You have to tell Sonar that it > is supposed to listen for an incoming MIDI Clock and hook up > to the tempo and start playback. > > per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 20:29:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2483BEE6; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c61f70$7bcfc510$0601a8c0@succubus> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:29:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: best distortion plug - multi-fx plugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0-jbj.A.VTC.Bt-0DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:29:53 +0000 (UTC) At 5:25 PM +0100 1/22/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Only one I've tried is LFX-1310 which isn't a bad multi-fx box. >> Definitely worth the download. > >Yikes, you can say that. When I asked for a multi-fx VST for Windows that is >easy on the CPU a few weeks ago, this was the thing I was looking for all >along ;). Um Rainer, from my reply to that thread a few weeks ago: At 11:53 PM -0600 1/9/06, mech wrote: >Rainer: try taking a look at the Luxonix LFX-1310. I just >downloaded and started futzing around with it this week. It's not >an absolute rave-up, but I think it could be what you're looking for >-- flexible multiFX with a relatively low CPU load. Best of all, >it's free. <*tap,tap,tap*> "Is this thing on...? check, 1, 2, 3..." :P --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 22:26:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13DBA3BEDC; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:26:23 -0500 (EST) From: John McIntyre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: set up names In-Reply-To: <7054DE49.2A621836.59DF470E@netscape.net> Message-ID: References: <7054DE49.2A621836.59DF470E@netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC) I call my signal chain "Dik Mik" in honor of the early Hawkwind electronics guy. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 22 23:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B0603BED9; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:43:42 EST Subject: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d2.193d71f.310572ae_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:43:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2d2.193d71f.310572ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, For the first time in several years now I DID NOT get to go to the NAMM show= .=20 In one sense it was sort of a relief not to have to go and fight the big=20 crowds, breathe the smog, endure the gawdawful noise, big hair, the flash, t= he=20 flesh and the spandex of the thing. But I do miss meeting up with many of my= =20 looper and other musical cohorts and colleagues. And, I did miss out (it see= ms) on=20 the debut of some interesting new looping devices this year -- at least one=20 of which was from a major manufacturer (Roland). Anyhoo, all of which has=20 caused me to muse a little, philosopically, on the practice and possible fut= ure of=20 looping. There once was a time when any doofus with a guitar, or a synth, or a kazoo=20 for that matter, could cobble together some sort of looping rig from an arra= y=20 of tape loop machines, modified or homemade analog or digital delays and set= =20 themselves up as "avant-garde musicians" of some sort. It almost didn't matt= er=20 if the individual was particularly proficient on their "input" instrument, t= he=20 fact that they were using echos and loops and processing what they were=20 playing in a still fairly unorthodox way (for the time) was enough raison d'= etre. It=20 was exerimental and at least it SEEMED like art at the time. Now it appears like technology has caught up with us. New devices are poppin= g=20 up all over. Most popular music seems to be loop-based (even if still=20 assembled after-the-fact of an actual in-studio performance). The loop conce= pt is=20 getting out there in one form or another. One-man/woman-band singer/songwrit= er=20 types are starting to appear as solo touring entities in clubs, bookstores a= nd=20 coffee houses. Times are changing. The banner of looping will soon likely no= =20 longer be carried, practiced and promoted by an elite and funky cadre of=20 amature-to-semi-pro avant-gardists and musical non-conformists. It's going t= o be=20 carried by the meat-and-potatoes weekend rock warriors, church worship band=20 musicians and neo-jambanders and hippie vegan campfire song strummers.=20 Personally, I've believed for a long time that just being a "looper" was not= =20 reason enough for my musical activites to persist and exist. Although loopin= g=20 is still damn fun and a significant part of "the thing that I do" I have mad= e=20 a conscious effort to actually try to do less and less of it -- or at least=20 not make it the MAIN FEATURE of what I do. It's been a process that has take= n me=20 about 10 years to wean myself away from complete dependence on. It was like=20 going through some sort of withdrawal process in many ways. To those of you who've had "musical lives" long before discovering looping=20 this will seem a little srange perhaps. But my experience was really not tha= t=20 way. I had a long infantile period of being a musician wannabe 'til I was ab= le=20 to start looping myself in the late '70s and early '80s. The looping helped=20= me=20 blossom and mature so-to-speak, and enabled me to gain confidence as well. I= =20 had no real musical life before I discovered the possibilites of looping. I,= =20 essentially, was that "doofus" of incomplete skill with a guitar I refered t= o=20 earlier.=20 I was really sort of "masquerading" as a musician through the back door of=20 the avan-garde. I was lucky early on and fell into a circle of artists and=20 musicians who were "the real deal" as far as I was concerned. From them I le= arned .=20 . and (hopefully) have somewhat become something approximating "the real=20 deal" now myself -- or at least a resonable facsimile thereof in my "better"= =20 moments. I have a good (if excentric) command of my guitar and I know my FX=20= gear=20 well enough to know when (and when not to) use them. And . . . it's no longe= r=20 enough just to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . . .even a=20 composer. I think we will see a time in the near future where "looping" will be just=20 another technique that a lot of musicians use to do what they do. It will ha= ve=20 no special "cache" in and of itself -- no market value as a label for what=20 musicians do. It will be like the advent of electrical amplification for=20 instruments. Someday soon, a performer will appear at you local Barnes and N= obel=20 bookstore and will be playing in the coffee franchise space and the fact tha= t they=20 are "looping" will not need to be "demoed" or explained (except maybe to rea= lly=20 old folks) and will go largely unmentioned or commented on as being a musica= l=20 "distinctive." I don't know about you all, but I think it's high time we all "got over=20 ourselves" as a general sub-category of musical activity. Yes, it will be us= eful to=20 continue to talk about equipment (or software) developments and techniques.=20 It will continue to be helpful to bandy about the wheres and whys and hows o= f=20 looping. It may be comforting to know that there is still a community of us=20 here in cyberspace. It will be great to get together and play at "Loop fests= ." But soon (very soon I think) looping will be everywhere. It will be done by=20 the Xmas carolers at the mall. It will be done by bluegrass fiddlers, and=20 country musicians in big hats. It will someday be done down at the local Bap= tist=20 church. It will be done by streetcorner buskers with no more than a harmonic= a, a=20 Pignose amp, cheap microphone and a pedal looper. It probably already has=20 been. When that day comes I wanna have a reason for artistically being and for=20 making new music other than simply exploring and exploiting the next new wri= nkle=20 in loop technology the industry has to offer. When that day comes I don't wa= nt=20 to find that my musical identity has been defined by what particular FX box=20= I=20 owned or didn't own.=20 I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here. But I am working=20 really hard these days to make sure my musical epitaph reads somthing other=20= than=20 "Beige Faceplate Oberheim EDP Owner" as though what I used was my reason for= =20 being. I'd like to think it's a little less simplistic than that, a little b= it=20 more complicated, and perhaps deeper . . . maybe. I should be so lucky. Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. But for some reason I felt the=20 urge to set down the idea that we all ought to start thinking about how we d= efine=20 ourselves as musicians. I sort of see a day coming when the term "looper"=20 will begin to lose some (if not all) of it's meaning in terms of refering to= a=20 category of musician. I myself, and many of you have invested a lot of time,= =20 sweat and ink promoting ourselves as such.=20 Like the first species of animal that wriggled itself up from the ocean to=20 live on the land, we look around now and see that we are increasingly no lon= ger=20 alone on dry ground. It's going to get more crowded still soon. Maybe . . .=20 just perhaps . . . it's time to start thinking about what the next evolution= ary=20 step will be. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from th= e=20 future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_2d2.193d71f.310572ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there,

For the first time in several years now I DID NOT get to go to the NAMM show= . In one sense it was sort of a relief not to have to go and fight the big c= rowds, breathe the smog, endure the gawdawful noise, big hair, the flash, th= e flesh and the spandex of the thing. But I do miss meeting up with many of=20= my looper and other musical cohorts and colleagues. And, I did miss out (it=20= seems) on the debut of some interesting new looping devices this year -- at=20= least one of which was from a major manufacturer (Roland). Anyhoo, all of wh= ich has caused me to muse a little, philosopically, on the practice and poss= ible future of looping.

There once was a time when any doofus with a guitar, or a synth, or a kazoo=20= for that matter, could cobble together some sort of looping rig from an arra= y of tape loop machines, modified or homemade analog or digital delays and s= et themselves up as "avant-garde musicians" of some sort. It almost didn't m= atter if the individual was particularly proficient on their "input" instrum= ent, the fact that they were using echos and loops and processing what they=20= were playing in a still fairly unorthodox way (for the time) was enough rais= on d'etre. It was exerimental and at least it SEEMED like art at the time.
Now it appears like technology has caught up with us. New devices are poppin= g up all over. Most popular music seems to be loop-based (even if still asse= mbled after-the-fact of an actual in-studio performance). The loop concept i= s getting out there in one form or another. One-man/woman-band singer/songwr= iter types are starting to appear as solo touring entities in clubs, booksto= res and coffee houses. Times are changing. The banner of looping will soon l= ikely no longer be carried, practiced and promoted by an elite and funky cad= re of amature-to-semi-pro avant-gardists and musical non-conformists. It's g= oing to be carried by the meat-and-potatoes weekend rock warriors, church wo= rship band musicians and neo-jambanders and hippie vegan campfire song strum= mers.

Personally, I've believed for a long time that just being a "looper" was not= reason enough for my musical activites to persist and exist. Although loopi= ng is still damn fun and a significant part of "the thing that I do" I have=20= made a conscious effort to actually try to do less and less of it -- or at l= east not make it the MAIN FEATURE of what I do. It's been a process that has= taken me about 10 years to wean myself away from complete dependence on. It= was like going through some sort of withdrawal process in many ways.

To those of you who've had "musical lives" long before discovering looping t= his will seem a little srange perhaps. But my experience was really not that= way. I had a long infantile period of being a musician wannabe 'til I was a= ble to start looping myself in the late '70s and early '80s. The looping hel= ped me blossom and mature so-to-speak, and enabled me to gain confidence as=20= well. I had no real musical life before I discovered the possibilites of loo= ping. I, essentially, was that "doofus" of incomplete skill with a guitar I=20= refered to earlier.

I was really sort of "masquerading" as a musician through the back door of t= he avan-garde. I was lucky early on and fell into a circle of artists and mu= sicians who were "the real deal" as far as I was concerned. From them I lear= ned . . and (hopefully) have somewhat become something approximating "the re= al deal" now myself -- or at least a resonable facsimile thereof in my "bett= er" moments. I have a good (if excentric) command of my guitar and I know my= FX gear well enough to know when (and when not to) use them. And . . . it's= no longer enough just to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . .=20= .even a composer.

I think we will see a time in the near future where "looping" will be just a= nother technique that a lot of musicians use to do what they do. It will hav= e no special "cache" in and of itself -- no market value as a label for what= musicians do. It will be like the advent of electrical amplification for in= struments. Someday soon, a performer will appear at you local Barnes and Nob= el bookstore and will be playing in the coffee franchise space and the fact=20= that they are "looping" will not need to be "demoed" or explained (except ma= ybe to really old folks) and will go largely unmentioned or commented on as=20= being a musical "distinctive."

I don't know about you all, but I think it's high time we all "got over ours= elves" as a general sub-category of musical activity. Yes, it will be useful= to continue to talk about equipment (or software) developments and techniqu= es. It will continue to be helpful to bandy about the wheres and whys and ho= ws of looping. It may be comforting to know that there is still a community=20= of us here in cyberspace. It will be great to get together and play at "Loop= fests."

But soon (very soon I think) looping will be everywhere. It will be done by=20= the Xmas carolers at the mall. It will be done by bluegrass fiddlers, and co= untry musicians in big hats. It will someday be done down at the local Bapti= st church. It will be done by streetcorner buskers with no more than a harmo= nica, a Pignose amp, cheap microphone and a pedal looper. It probably alread= y has been.

When that day comes I wanna have a reason for artistically being and for mak= ing new music other than simply exploring and exploiting the next new wrinkl= e in loop technology the industry has to offer. When that day comes I don't=20= want to find that my musical identity has been defined by what particular FX= box I owned or didn't own.

I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here. But I am working real= ly hard these days to make sure my musical epitaph reads somthing other than= "Beige Faceplate Oberheim EDP Owner" as though what I used was my reason fo= r being. I'd like to think it's a little less simplistic than that, a little= bit more complicated, and perhaps deeper . . . maybe. I should be so lucky.=

Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. But for some reason I felt the ur= ge to set down the idea that we all ought to start thinking about how we def= ine ourselves as musicians. I sort of see a day coming when the term "looper= " will begin to lose some (if not all) of it's meaning in terms of refering=20= to a category of musician. I myself, and many of you have invested a lot of=20= time, sweat and ink promoting ourselves as such.

Like the first species of animal that wriggled itself up from the ocean to l= ive on the land, we look around now and see that we are increasingly no long= er alone on dry ground. It's going to get more crowded still soon. Maybe . .= . just perhaps . . . it's time to start thinking about what the next evolut= ionary step will be.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from= the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton

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Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_2d2.193d71f.310572ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 00:08:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08923BEDE; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> References: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-753890251 Message-Id: <7c7b3a323e3e5926070ba4df702f6679@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:08:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <8I5itD.A.BSB.l5B1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:08:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-753890251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:43 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here......... > Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. This almost (52 yrs. old) "old fart" thinks your writing makes lots of sense ;-). - Paul --Apple-Mail-1-753890251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:43 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Geneva I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here......... Geneva Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. This almost (52 yrs. old) "old fart" thinks your writing makes lots of sense ;-). - Paul --Apple-Mail-1-753890251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 00:13:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7E953BED6; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <62.642c0dd5.3105798b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:12:59 EST Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.642c0dd5.3105798b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0EcDpB.A.6dB.V-B1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC) --part1_62.642c0dd5.3105798b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, In a message dated 1/22/06 4:08:17 PM, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes: > >=A0 I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here......... > >=A0 Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. >=20 > This almost (52 yrs. old) "old fart" thinks your writing makes lots of=20 > sense ;-). - Paul >=20 Same here, more-or-less. I'll be 53 in May . . . just another aging gasbag=20 with a guitar and no shame. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from th= e=20 future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_62.642c0dd5.3105798b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul,

In a message dated 1/22/06 4:08:17 PM, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes:

>=A0 I am not sure= if my writing is making much sense here.........
>=A0 Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now.

This almost (52 yrs. old) "old fart" thinks your writing makes lots of
sense ;-). - Paul

Same here, more-or-less. I'll be 53 in May . . . just another aging gasbag w= ith a guitar and no shame.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from= the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_62.642c0dd5.3105798b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 00:53:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E543BEDB; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:00:50 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth To: Message-id: <000401c61fb8$74d816c0$69e9a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Oh dear... I can tell this is going to be one of those "new toys" kind of years... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ including nice big ones of the new EHX looper http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg and EHX HOG: http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would interest folk here the most) On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > Hi > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > Just to see what the story is. > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs > umbrella" > Cheers > It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, even > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 01:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35E553BECF; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026601c61fb9$2600df40$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <7054DE49.2A621836.59DF470E@netscape.net> Subject: Re: set up names Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:05:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 451, in=217146, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful. "Flying is trying, is dying"....I listened to Hawkwind when I was in Junior High. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McIntyre" To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: set up names >I call my signal chain "Dik Mik" in honor of the early Hawkwind electronics > guy. > > John McIntyre > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 01:06:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39F033BEE7; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:13:13 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Cc: "Kim Flint" Message-id: <001f01c61fba$2f5c6400$69e9a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9CC00E59-6FBD-4B25-A138-13EFAB98F573@tiscali.it> <002b01c6188c$4ec59ee0$0affff0a@hppav> <6.1.2.0.2.20060122104647.04a73df0@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Kim - My Beige Gibsons EDPs date from the first "use-the-components-sitting-in-a-warehouse-back-in-production-and-now-with-a -Gibson-name-on-them" group-purchase run that we helped get organized back a gew years (6?) ago. With Loop III I know I had no sync. issues at all. And I definitely have a minor sync. issue since going to Loop IV. And I've re-initialized the software a few times. The two devices are connected the same way the always have been. Let me know what else I can do / describe to help sort this out. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? > At 01:57 PM 1/13/2006, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >I am an owner of an Oberheim EDP and newer beige Gibson EDPs. > > > >With the previous Loop III software, I had a Oberheim EDP and a Gibson EDP > >connected together to make a stereo pair and I experienced no > >synchronization issues at all. > > > >However, when I upgraded my EDPs to the latest Loop IV software, I > >experienced synchronization problems between the Oberheim and Gibson models. > > This really doesn't make any sense. The sync used for stereo is done by a > hardware circuit, not software. It is hard to understand how it could be > possible for such a sync problem to develop just by upgrading the software > to LoopIV. > > I think it must be that your units had some problem with sync before that > you didn't notice, or you are doing something different now that is causing > some other problem. Upgrading to LoopIV seems like the least likely reason. > > >I learned from reading Loopers-Delight that the older Oberheim and the newer > >beige Gibson models can have synchronization problems because of differences > >in the "crystals" they each use. > > Not exactly. There were some sloppy manufacturing runs in the distant past > where the clock crystals used were the wrong tolerance spec. Oftentimes > they still work fine for sync, but there have been some occasions where > those units had problems. It is easy to fix if you are willing to have the > service done. (or you can do it yourself if you have the soldering skills. > > All the new black EDP Plus units use very tight tolerance crystals, better > than the original spec. These units are very well made and the sync works fine. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 01:34:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDA8B3BED5; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , , "The Ambient Way" Subject: the PiNG presents Reflectiostack and Worma Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:36:28 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c61fbd$6e7ddc60$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:34:45 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday January 17th . Reflectiostack and Worma Reflectiostack's new album, "Music for Torching", explores what seems to be rapidly becoming a new genre: folktronica, post-folk, or whatever else you'd like to call it. "The Stack" blend electronica with rhythmic guitars, moody violins, and haunting vocals; the result of a decade of musical exploration. In a live context, these core elements are expanded through the addition of bass, synth, pedals, and a sampler/sequencer. Reflectiostack's 'AMBiENT PiNG' set will showcase songs from "Music for Torching", as well as some new material that delves further into the creation of dynamic soundscapes. http://www.reflectiostack.com Worma's soothing rhythms will transport your thoughts to distant dimensions. Her tranquil, yet dynamic melodies both soothe and arouse the savage breast. Prepare to be entranced. http://www.worma.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . A Million Stories by Sara Ayers This hauntingly beautiful CD by Sara Ayers is another of the PiNG's favourite releases from 2005. A surreal, intricately woven wash of sounds that ebb and flow from heartbreak to ecstasy, from hushed to lush -- a 38-minute tone poem that weaves in and around itself. http://www.saraayers.com/ Between Sets CD . New Life Dreaming by Steve Roach This week we feature New Life Dreaming from Steve Roach's The Dreamtime Box. This CD of all new resonations created from the stillpoint of the Dreamtime spirit, captures the essence and flow of it's musical predecessor, Dreamtime Return. Read about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://steveroach.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday January 31st . iomedia (Neil Wiernik, Mantissa, Rob Cruickshank, VJ Nokami, Dafydd Hughes, Len Goins and more) iomedia is a collaborative of sound and video artists exploring real-time performance in an improvised construction that is reminiscent of 1960s free-jazz. The fluctuating group of participants utilize a wide variety of instruments to make their audio/video compositions, including homemade hardware, customized software applications, analog synthesizers, samplers, and video mixers. Members of the group also experiment with performance techniques such as live sampling, real-time sample manipulation, and audio/video interaction. The group is associated with the InterAccess Electronic Media Arts Centre in Toronto and performs there on a monthly basis. Participants for this performance will include: Neil Wiernik, Mantissa, Rob Cruickshank, VJ Nokami, Dafydd Hughes, Len Goins and more. iomedia . http://www.mantissa.ca/iomedia/ Neil Wiernik . http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm Rob Cruickshank . http://www.robcruickshank InterAccess Electronic Media Arts Centre . http://www.interaccess.org/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Fans of Steve Roach will no doubt be excited by the recent remastering of his classic " Dreamtime Return" disc, surely one of the most highly praised collections of music in the ambient genre. Equally exciting is the release of a new set of work inspired by his rediscovery of the soundworlds and wonder of "Dreamtime Return". "New Life Dreaming" is a selection of music that captures the essence and flow of it's musical predecessor, just as capably recreating the beauty and wonder that has defined Roach's work for so long. The disc begins with "Perfect Dream", where a variety of smooth pads blend into each other, dissolving into new sounds, tones rising and falling. It's a beautiful example of aural imaging where serene landscapes take form in the minds eye, slowly building in detail and shape until you can't help but feel that you are there. "Where I Live" follows, the sound of birds and other nightlife filling the sound spectrum. A low and steady drone plays beneath as pads rise up and dance along beside you for only a moment. It's like being transported to another place, a desert space where beautiful open land surrounds you and the sky stretches as far as you can see. Simply breathtaking. Up next is "The Ancients' Way", a mystical and enigmatic piece that opens with a spiraling drone leading into a kaleidoscope of shifting tones and patterns, snippets of melody, a phrase and a tune passing through your mind before you have the chance to register it fully. "Deep Sky Time" opens up with lightly percolating synths that run just along the edge of a deep droning tone. As the song progresses, tones take on greater form, substance and clarity, gaining a distinct shape and texture. It's a wonderful sensation, a beautiful moment of realization. The last track, "In The Eye of Noche", closes the disc with processed piano, guitar, and mournful vocals (courtesy of the very wonderful Jennifer Grais), all combining to create a dreamlike procession through a series of soundworlds and other places. A very appropriate and very beautiful way to end the disc. There is no question that Steve Roach has become synonymous with ambient music, that he is recognized as having a mastery of the art of aural landscapes and audio imagining. With the release of "New Life Dreaming", Roach reaffirms his status as a true artist among artists and resets the standard by which all others are compared. "New Life Dreaming" is beautiful music by a master of the genre and comes very highly recommended. "New Life Dreaming" is part of "The Dreamtime Box" available now at ping things! http://www.pingthings.com/SRdreamtimebox.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday, January 23rd . Coexistence Series #3 A monthly series of duet collaborations, this month featuring: Victor Bateman - double bass and Colin Anthony - piano 7:30pm Tranzac Club * Wednesday, January 25th . JAH WOBBLE 9:45 Polmo Popo. 11:00 JAH WOBBLE & The English Roots Band The Horseshoe Tavern, 370 Queen St. W., Toronto $15.00 Adv. $18.00 Door. * Thursday, January 26th . Improvisors' Pool Ralph Thornton Centre, 765 Queen Street East East of Broadview and west of De Grassi 7:00-9:00 * Thursday, January 26th . Bakan, Bateman, Allemano, Schwager The music of Jonnie Bakan as seen through the eyes of Victor Bateman, Lina Allemano and Reg Schwager as well as Jonnie Bakan. TRANZAC 292 Brunswick Ave The 8 to 9:30 slot * Thursday, January 26th . Open House Dave Fish, drums, Michael Herring, mbass Paul Newman, saxophone, Evan Shaw, saxophone TRANZAC 292 Brunswick Ave 10pm pwyc * Thursday, January 26th . THE REVERIES PLAY THE MUSIC OF NICK CAVE - part of the TRANZAC FUNDRAISER Ryan Driver voice, mouth speaker, mouth mic, thumb reeds, ruler bass Doug Tielli voice, mouth speaker, guitar, nose flute, saw Eric Chenaux voice, mouth speaker, guitar, harmonica TRANZAC 292 Brunswick Ave sometime after 10pm * Friday, January 27th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT i - Doug Tielli w/ doug tielli - trombone ii - C"N" w/ lina allemano - trumpet, ryan driver - analog synth, rob clutton - double bass iii - Feuermusik w/jeremy strachan - saxophone, gus weinkauf - buckets 9:00pm ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 218 $10/6 * Friday, January 27th . Improv soiree featuring students from the studios of Casey Sokol, Matt Brubeck, Brian Katz, Steve Koven. McLaughlin Performance Hall, York University, 4700 Keele St. 7:30 pm - Free admission - Info: 416-736-5186 * Sunday, January 29th . An evening of post-election bitchin' at Gladstone Hotel Art Bar 8:00 - 8:45 michael keith, david sait, joe sorbara 9:00 - 9:45 Montgolfiere: Harry Simpson - drums; guy leblanc - trombone, percussions; Rob Clutton - bass; Arnd Jurgensen - guitar, trumpet, mbira and perhaps saz 10:00 - 10:45 bitchin' is: Dougal Bichan, violin, bamboo flute; Alan Bloor, bass; Elliott Chapin, flute and other winds; Rod Campbell, trumpet etc; Bryan Dennis, percussion and special guest Vanda Cordier - vocals and percussions Gladstone Hotel Art Bar 1214 Queen Street West PWYC . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 02:18:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD323BEDC; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=p0bqIYeXl+trgIb87sObfoqaBqBf/fena8dsJ4amLSLOJ4Wnj4kPTLvJa495rPb9; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200611232251160@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f01c562b9ab73cd38904a79062979a71350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:18:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "it's no longer enough just to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . . .even a composer." Well said, my talented friend! Looping is only a part of what I do. I love my tools and techniques, and I do love to talk about them to distraction, but I spend most of my guitar hours on the couch, working out new songs on an unamplified electric because I am first and foremost a musician and I figure it's my main job to have good ideas, good songs, and a good touch on the instrument. (I have a dangerous tendency to become obsessed with gear and techniques and process instead of product, and this is my way of battling that unfortunate tendency...it has worked...most of the time ;-) And while your self-deprecation is charming, it is wrong. You are very, very dangerous on the guitar. Your Fretboard Friend, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 1/22/2006 6:43:47 PM Subject: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Hi there, For the first time in several years now I DID NOT get to go to the NAMM show. In one sense it was sort of a relief not to have to go and fight the big crowds, breathe the smog, endure the gawdawful noise, big hair, the flash, the flesh and the spandex of the thing. But I do miss meeting up with many of my looper and other musical cohorts and colleagues. And, I did miss out (it seems) on the debut of some interesting new looping devices this year -- at least one of which was from a major manufacturer (Roland). Anyhoo, all of which has caused me to muse a little, philosopically, on the practice and possible future of looping. There once was a time when any doofus with a guitar, or a synth, or a kazoo for that matter, could cobble together some sort of looping rig from an array of tape loop machines, modified or homemade analog or digital delays and set themselves up as "avant-garde musicians" of some sort. It almost didn't matter if the individual was particularly proficient on their "input" instrument, the fact that they were using echos and loops and processing what they were playing in a still fairly unorthodox way (for the time) was enough raison d'etre. It was exerimental and at least it SEEMED like art at the time. Now it appears like technology has caught up with us. New devices are popping up all over. Most popular music seems to be loop-based (even if still assembled after-the-fact of an actual in-studio performance). The loop concept is getting out there in one form or another. One-man/woman-band singer/songwriter types are starting to appear as solo touring entities in clubs, bookstores and coffee houses. Times are changing. The banner of looping will soon likely no longer be carried, practiced and promoted by an elite and funky cadre of amature-to-semi-pro avant-gardists and musical non-conformists. It's going to be carried by the meat-and-potatoes weekend rock warriors, church worship band musicians and neo-jambanders and hippie vegan campfire song strummers. Personally, I've believed for a long time that just being a "looper" was not reason enough for my musical activites to persist and exist. Although looping is still damn fun and a significant part of "the thing that I do" I have made a conscious effort to actually try to do less and less of it -- or at least not make it the MAIN FEATURE of what I do. It's been a process that has taken me about 10 years to wean myself away from complete dependence on. It was like going through some sort of withdrawal process in many ways. To those of you who've had "musical lives" long before discovering looping this will seem a little srange perhaps. But my experience was really not that way. I had a long infantile period of being a musician wannabe 'til I was able to start looping myself in the late '70s and early '80s. The looping helped me blossom and mature so-to-speak, and enabled me to gain confidence as well. I had no real musical life before I discovered the possibilites of looping. I, essentially, was that "doofus" of incomplete skill with a guitar I refered to earlier. I was really sort of "masquerading" as a musician through the back door of the avan-garde. I was lucky early on and fell into a circle of artists and musicians who were "the real deal" as far as I was concerned. From them I learned . . and (hopefully) have somewhat become something approximating "the real deal" now myself -- or at least a resonable facsimile thereof in my "better" moments. I have a good (if excentric) command of my guitar and I know my FX gear well enough to know when (and when not to) use them. And . . . it's no longer enough just to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . . .even a composer. I think we will see a time in the near future where "looping" will be just another technique that a lot of musicians use to do what they do. It will have no special "cache" in and of itself -- no market value as a label for what musicians do. It will be like the advent of electrical amplification for instruments. Someday soon, a performer will appear at you local Barnes and Nobel bookstore and will be playing in the coffee franchise space and the fact that they are "looping" will not need to be "demoed" or explained (except maybe to really old folks) and will go largely unmentioned or commented on as being a musical "distinctive." I don't know about you all, but I think it's high time we all "got over ourselves" as a general sub-category of musical activity. Yes, it will be useful to continue to talk about equipment (or software) developments and techniques. It will continue to be helpful to bandy about the wheres and whys and hows of looping. It may be comforting to know that there is still a community of us here in cyberspace. It will be great to get together and play at "Loop fests." But soon (very soon I think) looping will be everywhere. It will be done by the Xmas carolers at the mall. It will be done by bluegrass fiddlers, and country musicians in big hats. It will someday be done down at the local Baptist church. It will be done by streetcorner buskers with no more than a harmonica, a Pignose amp, cheap microphone and a pedal looper. It probably already has been. When that day comes I wanna have a reason for artistically being and for making new music other than simply exploring and exploiting the next new wrinkle in loop technology the industry has to offer. When that day comes I don't want to find that my musical identity has been defined by what particular FX box I owned or didn't own. I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here. But I am working really hard these days to make sure my musical epitaph reads somthing other than "Beige Faceplate Oberheim EDP Owner" as though what I used was my reason for being. I'd like to think it's a little less simplistic than that, a little bit more complicated, and perhaps deeper . . . maybe. I should be so lucky. Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. But for some reason I felt the urge to set down the idea that we all ought to start thinking about how we define ourselves as musicians. I sort of see a day coming when the term "looper" will begin to lose some (if not all) of it's meaning in terms of refering to a category of musician. I myself, and many of you have invested a lot of time, sweat and ink promoting ourselves as such. Like the first species of animal that wriggled itself up from the ocean to live on the land, we look around now and see that we are increasingly no longer alone on dry ground. It's going to get more crowded still soon. Maybe . . . just perhaps . . . it's time to start thinking about what the next evolutionary step will be. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
"it's no longer enough just to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . . .even a composer."
 
Well said, my talented friend!
 
 Looping is only a part of what I do. I love my tools and techniques, and I do love to talk about them to distraction, but I spend most of my guitar hours on the couch, working out new songs on an unamplified electric because I am first and foremost a musician and I figure it's my main job to have good ideas, good songs, and a good touch on the instrument. (I have a dangerous tendency to become obsessed with gear and techniques and process instead of product, and this is my way of battling that unfortunate tendency...it has worked...most of the time ;-)
 
And while your self-deprecation is charming, it is wrong. You are very, very dangerous on the guitar.
 
Your Fretboard Friend,
Tim Mungenast

 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/22/2006 6:43:47 PM
Subject: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP

Hi there,

For the first time in several years now I DID NOT get to go to the NAMM show. In one sense it was sort of a relief not to have to go and fight the big crowds, breathe the smog, endure the gawdawful noise, big hair, the flash, the flesh and the spandex of the thing. But I do miss meeting up with many of my looper and other musical cohorts and colleagues. And, I did miss out (it seems) on the debut of some interesting new looping devices this year -- at least one of which was from a major manufacturer (Roland). Anyhoo, all of which has caused me to muse a little, philosopically, on the practice and possible future of looping.

There once was a time when any doofus with a guitar, or a synth, or a kazoo for that matter, could cobble together some sort of looping rig from an array of tape loop machines, modified or homemade analog or digital delays and set themselves up as "avant-garde musicians" of some sort. It almost didn't matter if the individual was particularly proficient on their "input" instrument, the fact that they were using echos and loops and processing what they were playing in a still fairly unorthodox way (for the time) was enough raison d'etre. It was exerimental and at least it SEEMED like art at the time.

Now it appears like technology has caught up with us. New devices are popping up all over. Most popular music seems to be loop-based (even if still assembled after-the-fact of an actual in-studio performance). The loop concept is getting out there in one form or another. One-man/woman-band singer/songwriter types are starting to appear as solo touring entities in clubs, bookstores and coffee houses. Times are changing. The banner of looping will soon likely no longer be carried, practiced and promoted by an elite and funky cadre of amature-to-semi-pro avant-gardists and musical non-conformists. It's going to be carried by the meat-and-potatoes weekend rock warriors, church worship band musicians and neo-jambanders and hippie vegan campfire song strummers.

Personally, I've believed for a long time that just being a "looper" was not reason enough for my musical activites to persist and exist. Although looping is still damn fun and a significant part of "the thing that I do" I have made a conscious effort to actually try to do less and less of it -- or at least not make it the MAIN FEATURE of what I do. It's been a process that has taken me about 10 years to wean myself away from complete dependence on. It was like going through some sort of withdrawal process in many ways.

To those of you who've had "musical lives" long before discovering looping this will seem a little srange perhaps. But my experience was really not that way. I had a long infantile period of being a musician wannabe 'til I was able to start looping myself in the late '70s and early '80s. The looping helped me blossom and mature so-to-speak, and enabled me to gain confidence as well. I had no real musical life before I discovered the possibilites of looping. I, essentially, was that "doofus" of incomplete skill with a guitar I refered to earlier.

I was really sort of "masquerading" as a musician through the back door of the avan-garde. I was lucky early on and fell into a circle of artists and musicians who were "the real deal" as far as I was concerned. From them I learned . . and (hopefully) have somewhat become something approximating "the real deal" now myself -- or at least a resonable facsimile thereof in my "better" moments. I have a good (if excentric) command of my guitar and I know my FX gear well enough to know when (and when not to) use them. And . . . it's no longer enough just to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . . .even a composer.

I think we will see a time in the near future where "looping" will be just another technique that a lot of musicians use to do what they do. It will have no special "cache" in and of itself -- no market value as a label for what musicians do. It will be like the advent of electrical amplification for instruments. Someday soon, a performer will appear at you local Barnes and Nobel bookstore and will be playing in the coffee franchise space and the fact that they are "looping" will not need to be "demoed" or explained (except maybe to really old folks) and will go largely unmentioned or commented on as being a musical "distinctive."

I don't know about you all, but I think it's high time we all "got over ourselves" as a general sub-category of musical activity. Yes, it will be useful to continue to talk about equipment (or software) developments and techniques. It will continue to be helpful to bandy about the wheres and whys and hows of looping. It may be comforting to know that there is still a community of us here in cyberspace. It will be great to get together and play at "Loop fests."

But soon (very soon I think) looping will be everywhere. It will be done by the Xmas carolers at the mall. It will be done by bluegrass fiddlers, and country musicians in big hats. It will someday be done down at the local Baptist church. It will be done by streetcorner buskers with no more than a harmonica, a Pignose amp, cheap microphone and a pedal looper. It probably already has been.

When that day comes I wanna have a reason for artistically being and for making new music other than simply exploring and exploiting the next new wrinkle in loop technology the industry has to offer. When that day comes I don't want to find that my musical identity has been defined by what particular FX box I owned or didn't own.

I am not sure if my writing is making much sense here. But I am working really hard these days to make sure my musical epitaph reads somthing other than "Beige Faceplate Oberheim EDP Owner" as though what I used was my reason for being. I'd like to think it's a little less simplistic than that, a little bit more complicated, and perhaps deeper . . . maybe. I should be so lucky.

Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. But for some reason I felt the urge to set down the idea that we all ought to start thinking about how we define ourselves as musicians. I sort of see a day coming when the term "looper" will begin to lose some (if not all) of it's meaning in terms of refering to a category of musician. I myself, and many of you have invested a lot of time, sweat and ink promoting ourselves as such.

Like the first species of animal that wriggled itself up from the ocean to live on the land, we look around now and see that we are increasingly no longer alone on dry ground. It's going to get more crowded still soon. Maybe . . . just perhaps . . . it's time to start thinking about what the next evolutionary step will be.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 03:15:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F273BED0; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:13:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C61F98.AA828B90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7g2gW.A.DDH.HpE1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:15:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C61F98.AA828B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great thoughts! I too was looping in the 80's with my digitech and thought it was the coolest thing and using it quite often in shows, often times; unknown to the audience. Then the band fizzled, I went solo (for most of the time) and for some reason the looping left too. Then while seeing a Phil Keaggy concert a few years ago I was once again reminded of the beauty of looping-not in and of itself, but in the context of a broader song so that it was like the seasoning in a recipe, adding flavor and delicateness (or IN-YOUR-FACE-NESS!!) to the overall flavor. I realized I had to get back to looping. Now, it seems like everyone is looping in my neck of the woods in some form or another, and I feel almost like saying "I WAS DOING THAT 20 YEARS AGO!!!!" But once again, while most people recognize the loops in other people's live music, in mine, it sneaks up on them and all of a sudden they find themselves awash in sound and aural textures so that people come up afterwards wondering "where did the 20 guitars come from???" Great food for thought Ted. ~peace~ Michael PS Ted, Where's Chesterton's quote from in your close? ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C61F98.AA828B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great=20 thoughts!
 
I too=20 was looping in the 80's with my digitech and thought it was the coolest = thing=20 and using it quite often in shows, often times; unknown to the = audience. =20 Then the band fizzled, I went solo (for most of the time) and for some = reason=20 the looping left too.  Then while seeing a Phil Keaggy concert a = few years=20 ago I was once again reminded of the beauty of looping-not in and of = itself, but=20 in the context of a broader song so that it was like the seasoning in a = recipe,=20 adding flavor and delicateness (or IN-YOUR-FACE-NESS!!) to the overall=20 flavor.  I realized I had to get back to = looping.
 
Now,=20 it seems like everyone is looping in my neck of the woods in some form = or=20 another, and I feel almost like saying "I WAS DOING THAT 20 YEARS = AGO!!!!" But=20 once again, while most people recognize the loops in other people's live = music,=20 in mine, it sneaks up on them and all of a sudden they find themselves = awash in=20 sound and aural textures so that people come up afterwards wondering = "where did=20 the 20 guitars come from???"
 
Great food for thought=20 Ted.
 
~peace~
Michael
 
PS=20 Ted, Where's Chesterton's quote from in your=20 close?
 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C61F98.AA828B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 03:45:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223493BEDD; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009401c61fcf$35fc5b20$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: Subject: Zurich 2006? Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:43:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C61F8C.276FAAF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:45:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C61F8C.276FAAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know of plans for another LoopFestival at Zurich this year? Or = any other loop festivals in Europe? All the news seems to be about = 2005. I tried to contact Bernhard Wagner, but not sure if I found a = valid email address. - CW ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C61F8C.276FAAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know of plans for another = LoopFestival at=20 Zurich this year?  Or any other loop festivals in Europe?  All = the=20 news seems to be about 2005.  I tried to contact Bernhard Wagner, = but not=20 sure if I found a valid email address. - CW
------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C61F8C.276FAAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 04:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DE933BECF; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:01:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000401c61fb8$74d816c0$69e9a344@hppav> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:01:08 +0000 (UTC) I just spent Saturday at the NAMM show, and my brother Rick and Bob Amstadt were gracious enough, to let me sit in on Rick's demo for Looperalative. I gotta say, I haven't been this excited about a new loop tool in a long time. I think Bob is definitely on to something, and I was impressed with the sound quality, and growing list of features. Even in the din of NAMM, I was able to get a feel for its operation and sonic integrity. I did not make it to Roland, but I did go to see "Electrix" , and man is the new Repeater cool!!!!!!!!!! Wow everything I had hoped my RPTR would be and more... NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Like Kim, I was met by some very knowledgeable representatives from the Body Glove company, and let me tell you, the brunette, who was easily 6'5" in platforms was really, really helpful..... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also went by Electro Harmonix to see their new looper, under glass, and get an update on their current battle to keep their tube factory out of the hands of a corrupt Russian business conglomerate. Its going well with many big companies like Fender, and politicians getting in to the fray. Say a prayer you tube freaks. It was nice to meet a few of you at the loopers lunch, (we missed you Ted) and I got to see an old friend, Lyle Workman, who I may have mentioned before, is currently breathing the rarified air as Sting's other guitarist, (along with Dominic Miller). Lyle Is a great guitar player and even nicer guy. NAMM was fun, and I'm excited that the Looperlative is giving hope to us died in the wool hardware loopers, who would like to see the technology progress and integrate the open ended qualities of software, without relying on a lap top for operation. I'm also excited that Roland is unveiling the RC50, which may become a real item for those wanting a fairly conventional looper in a rugged floor box. Bill -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Oh dear... I can tell this is going to be one of those "new toys" kind of years... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ including nice big ones of the new EHX looper http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg and EHX HOG: http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would interest folk here the most) On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > Hi > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > Just to see what the story is. > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs > umbrella" > Cheers > It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, even > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 04:43:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E4C03BEE6; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.175.105.254] X-Originating-Email: [mhayungs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhayungs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060123043626.E8E613BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "michael hayungs" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: samplers loopers and midi Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:43:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2006 04:43:55.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DB7DCA0:01C61FD7] Resent-Message-ID: <9ZyntC.A.bnB.M8F1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:43:56 +0000 (UTC) I don't know if this has already been discussed but for the longest time I've been in search for a looping/sampler set-up similar to the new Boss RC-50 but slightly different. Basically i'd like to take a sampler device similar to the Roland SP-404 (midi syncable) and trigger samples on it from a midi foot pedal, like that Behringer one but smaller. Does anyone know of a more compact midi foot pedal that sends midi note on/off signals? Basically I'd like to designate one pedal to one sample pad on the SP-404 or similar unit. Sounds like the RC-50 might be the easiest option, anyone know when it's coming out in the US? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 07:38:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 387383BEE7; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Aqotp3wVBWwNh0eXUdN6nokpmqKUWa4WP5O8lkLuvnMa3yFOQJ6mK93nH+D/pVftYVBI3rd32jBY0a9jv528rqa4GEPaKNWa/yqxY0S50k0aQvsBiZQDSavku7sXe3oIccfzSNbdZsZpNT0kz0MmySQkKbb4vm+Dq0J98uA55ko= ; Message-ID: <20060123073839.52883.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Fwd: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:38:41 +0000 (UTC) I feel the same way Ted,i go through periods of time turning on my looping devices and concentrating on my playing or songwritting,ive done a couple of gigs where in the first set i just played and sang with my acoustic guitar and during the second included looping, as i asked a couple of people said they liked the first set better!The other time an older guy came up to me and said hey i liked your playing but some of it didnt seem real when u were playing to those recordings;-)in the end people care less about all of this gizmos really! i just discovered an acoustic guitarrist named Jon Gomm and i was floored when i found out he doesnt loop because this guy is amazing,he does melody,rythm,drums,solos and sings as if he was looping but all done without it,this gave me an idea to try using looping also as a practice tool to analize and play simultaneous things without looping... Luis > Hi there, > > > > For the first time in several years now I DID NOT > > get to go to the NAMM show. In one sense it was > sort > > of a relief not to have to go and fight the big > > crowds, breathe the smog, endure the gawdawful > > noise, big hair, the flash, the flesh and the > > spandex of the thing. But I do miss meeting up > with > > many of my looper and other musical cohorts and > > colleagues. And, I did miss out (it seems) on the > > debut of some interesting new looping devices this > > year -- at least one of which was from a major > > manufacturer (Roland). Anyhoo, all of which has > > caused me to muse a little, philosopically, on the > > practice and possible future of looping. > > > > There once was a time when any doofus with a > guitar, > > or a synth, or a kazoo for that matter, could > cobble > > together some sort of looping rig from an array of > > tape loop machines, modified or homemade analog or > > digital delays and set themselves up as > "avant-garde > > musicians" of some sort. It almost didn't matter > if > > the individual was particularly proficient on > their > > "input" instrument, the fact that they were using > > echos and loops and processing what they were > > playing in a still fairly unorthodox way (for the > > time) was enough raison d'etre. It was exerimental > > and at least it SEEMED like art at the time. > > > > Now it appears like technology has caught up with > > us. New devices are popping up all over. Most > > popular music seems to be loop-based (even if > still > > assembled after-the-fact of an actual in-studio > > performance). The loop concept is getting out > there > > in one form or another. One-man/woman-band > > singer/songwriter types are starting to appear as > > solo touring entities in clubs, bookstores and > > coffee houses. Times are changing. The banner of > > looping will soon likely no longer be carried, > > practiced and promoted by an elite and funky cadre > > of amature-to-semi-pro avant-gardists and musical > > non-conformists. It's going to be carried by the > > meat-and-potatoes weekend rock warriors, church > > worship band musicians and neo-jambanders and > hippie > > vegan campfire song strummers. > > > > Personally, I've believed for a long time that > just > > being a "looper" was not reason enough for my > > musical activites to persist and exist. Although > > looping is still damn fun and a significant part > of > > "the thing that I do" I have made a conscious > effort > > to actually try to do less and less of it -- or at > > least not make it the MAIN FEATURE of what I do. > > It's been a process that has taken me about 10 > years > > to wean myself away from complete dependence on. > It > > was like going through some sort of withdrawal > > process in many ways. > > > > To those of you who've had "musical lives" long > > before discovering looping this will seem a little > > srange perhaps. But my experience was really not > > that way. I had a long infantile period of being a > > musician wannabe 'til I was able to start looping > > myself in the late '70s and early '80s. The > looping > > helped me blossom and mature so-to-speak, and > > enabled me to gain confidence as well. I had no > real > > musical life before I discovered the possibilites > of > > looping. I, essentially, was that "doofus" of > > incomplete skill with a guitar I refered to > earlier. > > > > > > I was really sort of "masquerading" as a musician > > through the back door of the avan-garde. I was > lucky > > early on and fell into a circle of artists and > > musicians who were "the real deal" as far as I was > > concerned. From them I learned . . and (hopefully) > > have somewhat become something approximating "the > > real deal" now myself -- or at least a resonable > > facsimile thereof in my "better" moments. I have a > > good (if excentric) command of my guitar and I > know > > my FX gear well enough to know when (and when not > > to) use them. And . . . it's no longer enough just > > to be a "looper" for me. I want to be a musician . > . > > .even a composer. > > > > I think we will see a time in the near future > where > > "looping" will be just another technique that a > lot > > of musicians use to do what they do. It will have > no > > special "cache" in and of itself -- no market > value > > as a label for what musicians do. It will be like > > the advent of electrical amplification for > > instruments. Someday soon, a performer will appear > > at you local Barnes and Nobel bookstore and will > be > > playing in the coffee franchise space and the fact > > that they are "looping" will not need to be > "demoed" > > or explained (except maybe to really old folks) > and > > will go largely unmentioned or commented on as > being > > a musical "distinctive." > > > > I don't know about you all, but I think it's high > > time we all "got over ourselves" as a general > > sub-category of musical activity. Yes, it will be > > useful to continue to talk about equipment (or > > software) developments and techniques. It will > > continue to be helpful to bandy about the wheres > and > > whys and hows of looping. It may be comforting to > > know that there is still a community of us here in > > cyberspace. It will be great to get together and > > play at "Loop fests." > > > > But soon (very soon I think) looping will be > > everywhere. It will be done by the Xmas carolers > at > > the mall. It will be done by bluegrass fiddlers, > and > > country musicians in big hats. It will someday be > > done down at the local Baptist church. It will be > > done by streetcorner buskers with no more than a > > harmonica, a Pignose amp, cheap microphone and a > > pedal looper. It probably already has been. > > > > When that day comes I wanna have a reason for > > artistically being and for making new music other > > than simply exploring and exploiting the next new > > wrinkle in loop technology the industry has to > > offer. When that day comes I don't want to find > that > > my musical identity has been defined by what > > particular FX box I owned or didn't own. > > > > I am not sure if my writing is making much sense > > here. But I am working really hard these days to > > make sure my musical epitaph reads somthing other > > than "Beige Faceplate Oberheim EDP Owner" as > though > > what I used was my reason for being. I'd like to > > think it's a little less simplistic than that, a > > little bit more complicated, and perhaps deeper . > . > > . maybe. I should be so lucky. > > > > Anyway, I'm just an old fart rambling now. But for > > some reason I felt the urge to set down the idea > > that we all ought to start thinking about how we > > define ourselves as musicians. I sort of see a day > > coming when the term "looper" will begin to lose > > some (if not all) of it's meaning in terms of > > refering to a category of musician. I myself, and > > many of you have invested a lot of time, sweat and > > ink promoting ourselves as such. > > > > Like the first species of animal that wriggled > > itself up from the ocean to live on the land, we > > look around now and see that we are increasingly > no > > longer alone on dry ground. It's going to get more > > crowded still soon. Maybe . . . just perhaps . . . > > it's time to start thinking about what the next > > evolutionary step will be. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > > > "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect > is > > is as much free from the future as from the past." > > -- G.K. Chesterton > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > > === message truncated === > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 07:51:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37953BEEA; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PUy2kuAMH88klNuOWKZ3sImB53a9uYTvMyv/CRerZCPaV89ndQF9/MF+ikZPCoSfAToJuhRqr36It2l5NmZN+vO2Y2oeQqiKLFBHizxzKttiXzFZ9o/ltLW7IaEEVD6qZ7jSzPgjwY7Ilfim2jAQDQnqbjVYfIiq2eTDL9kues4= ; Message-ID: <20060123075101.93586.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex Synced together? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060122104647.04a73df0@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:51:02 +0000 (UTC) true said,after going through different blondes whom i even gave crystals so they would sync, it never happened so i got rid of them and got my self 2 black ones and i am finally in heaven perfectly synced! > > All the new black EDP Plus units use very tight > tolerance crystals, better > than the original spec. These units are very well > made and the sync works fine. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 08:32:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D80A93BEEA; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> References: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65B624C7-86C6-44E7-85C0-BECEBF1D8034@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:31:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:32:00 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jan 2006, at 00.43, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi there, 8< 8< 8< 8< 8<....... I agree with the opinions on looping posted by Ted. As I have repeatedly said in threads touching the looping community etc I regard looping as both and instrument and a performance technique, but not being a musical style. I really never thought anyone was serious with this "being a looper" talk and still regard it as a funny community jargon on this list. It's cool and in fact many of us share similar musical tastes and artistic expression in what we do. What really matters though, is what story the music tells the listener. My own life looping has been an instrument that has been with me since around 1983 to extend my traditional instruments, tenor sax and stratocaster electric guitar. One year ago I began to learn a new instrument, the traverse alto flute. I choose that traditional instrument because I had a vision of it being a suitable extension of my instrument Looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From harrison@harvestmarketing.com Mon Jan 23 09:24:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from ap_ber_1.sforza.unimi.it (unknown [159.149.67.167]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F1673BEDF; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.8 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: <937c633k.4577527@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:23:59 -0600 From: "Charley Collier" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: xSROBKG0DVDkfe8VNdT83pewBilDZIpHZpRB7HNTpbG3lQOeszhIq9b2Nje9Haht== X-Load: 31% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Your account #887988 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_78992037==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_78992037==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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<000c01c62023$5d255630$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4bzEjC.A.efB.E3N1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:44:37 +0000 (UTC) I can identify with what Ted is saying (but I draw some different conclusions - see end), although I had substantial performance skills before encountering electronics. When I moved from the SF Bay Area to Oregon in '92, I was coming off a stint writing the "weird column" for Guitar Player and graduating from Mills - I had a reputation in the Bay Area as being "the best guitarist for really weird stuff", but my bottom-line skills as a guitarist and (somewhat lesser skills) as a composer were widely overlooked (even though I'd performed widely throughout the Bay Area in the Electric Guitar Quartet, orchestrating and performing string quartets for custom electric guitars - pretty non-trivial chops territory). When I moved, I vowed to not develop that reputation in my new locale. In Oregon, I played in a Reggae/rock band for a couple of years (channeling my electronic explorative tendencies into sound design, both in my guitar synth sounds and in my multi-effect presets). I made private tapes that captured the weird things I was doing when testing products for Musician's Friend. I woodshedded (and started the World Wide Woodshed, and created practicing tools). I spent 2 or 3 years accompanying a solo (alto) clarinettist at jazz gigs, taking unaccompanied solos. I followed that with a few years leading jazz/swing duos and trios so that I could develop my "leader" skills more. Then I moved to NYC. I started sitting in on some of the jazz jams in Brooklyn, and I have to admit I was out of my league (not so much with the other guitarists there, of which there were surprisingly few, but when compared to the unbelievable horn and keyborad players). It didn't last long. At the same time, I hooked up with my old percussionist buddy (and kindergarten classmate), Steve Rubin, who I'd played with in freeform improv groups in and around 1970, and who had an interest in restarting something like that. I brushed off the EDP to fill out the duo for several reasons, but the biggest one is that looping struck a balance between two "problems" of freeform improv (at least for me): (1) we needed more than 2 instruments to fill out the soundscape enough for my taste (2) adding another tonal instrument would be inhibiting for me - it pretty much limits the possible tonalities to modal things, pre-arranged chord changes or utter chaos, because my ear is just not good enough to pick up a rapidly-shifting chord structure implied by, say, a bass or piano player running free. So, I know for myself that I am a middling-level jazz guitarist, but an excellent guitarist of unknown genre. I am a better creator of vocabularies and idioms than a user of others' vocabularies. Based on my listening of the works of other members of this forum, I would say that this might be a deeper shared characteristic than the fact that we all used looping devices at some times. Or perhaps we're all developing a new musical vocabulary that incorporates the characteristics and capabilities of electronic and electronically-enhanced instruments, and we just don't have a good name for it yet. (Maybe this "place" is where all(?) the free-improvers came who weren't that interested in the Coltrane-ish way of doing it...) YET here we are, congregated together in this very interesting and, I would say, vital community, under the banner of "Looper's Delight". For whatever reason, this list has more the feel of a community than anything I've seen since the early days of the WELL (probably has a lot to do with the F2F that we get at live looping festivals like Y2Kn). There are some things that we have in common here, although I'm sure that categorizing them would be difficult. I kind of think that the smart thing to do, from a marketing standpoint, would be to all form a record label together and start promoting the "Live Looping" concept in media all over the world, making it into the next "pseduo-big" thing (if you're not making music suitable for 20-something clubs, "big" thing is probably overly ambitious - but there are exceptions - Norah Jones did become a certifiably "big" thing without that). Even though probably a lot of us here would feel that "Loop Music" is a reductionist way of looking at what we do, reductionism can be a very good thing from a commercial standpoint. I say, embrace and extend the usage of the term to add to public recognition. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP > > > On 23 jan 2006, at 00.43, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi there, 8< 8< 8< 8< 8<....... > > > I agree with the opinions on looping posted by Ted. As I have > repeatedly said in threads touching the looping community etc I > regard looping as both and instrument and a performance technique, > but not being a musical style. I really never thought anyone was > serious with this "being a looper" talk and still regard it as a > funny community jargon on this list. It's cool and in fact > many of us > share similar musical tastes and artistic expression in what we do. > What really matters though, is what story the music tells the > listener. > > My own life looping has been an instrument that has been with me > since around 1983 to extend my traditional instruments, tenor > sax and > stratocaster electric guitar. One year ago I began to learn a new > instrument, the traverse alto flute. I choose that traditional > instrument because I had a vision of it being a suitable > extension of > my instrument Looping. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 13:54:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F0B3BEE6; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PB8tF36ESo48u/z9arx3h1iwUhhtruTAxm6gEOXVxMoP9g7ltUsKrmch/Dv5bgfRK80KZnez3DEsRxfu9pJ0wYnWcWzs7QH+YxvwtMttTbim3qhalmKuIzS4f48gaS0IpIBYkRrbo+mNcNtfyGPk2kdfL6Z9Qg1vDWot2XZ/Pss= ; Message-ID: <01e701c62024$93a2cf70$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <007f01c61cb8$58c4a3c0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:54:51 +0000 (UTC) GBLOINK? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Random Tone/Texture Generators > Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone or > texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than that. > Even if the program generated random single note lines with a half-way > appealing tone, I'd be happy. I want to collaborate with a machine. Damn > humans are annoying. ;) > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 14:36:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A22B3BEEE; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NXas3Q3fEo2FLE5pOE7MV36iRLYPX/J27evc6XY2163P+Qh1YH1ZDbfxT/ZrBK6lJgH88wiTg6ealX90uNwzQgGQQP4s/Lp7apC336AdSnvZwYnGUHNWOZ/mDhvm6XAwOouWUS8CfhWh8TpMSvQ68ECtiDbrpnHmbcIfbaiBg+U= ; Message-ID: <20060123143606.67806.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c62023$5d255630$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_9whaC.A.kWD.YnO1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:36:09 +0000 (UTC) I think these things are happening on some level, but the problem I see is that we end up preaching to the choir. Other than a few friends and love partners I don't think I've ever seen a non audience member at one of the loopfests. Kind of cool in an underground way and surely nice to meet the people behind the emails... but from a marketing point of few it's like selling bread to bakers... Sure they like it, but there are not enough of them to make your looping commercially viable. I think it's far better (from a marketing standpoint) to look into the performance art/prog dance community (put a beat behind that noodeling!) where ideas like live looping and abstract music are welcome. This said, I enjoy making music at home with a few friends and posting tracks on the web more than dragging gear out to a gig. Mark --- Warren Sirota wrote: > I kind of think that the smart thing to > do, from a marketing > standpoint, would be to all form a record label > together and start promoting > the "Live Looping" concept in media all over the > world, making it into the > next "pseduo-big" thing (if you're not making music > suitable for > 20-something clubs, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 15:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A206F3BEE7; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lVU5g+qNiEckbG4ZVAwhhG+ItJUTAA08tEkmmD2jLHzOUo7jtp29zHqHp/Zk62f7PHI7ftpfV0Ka5ZWXO1cNKsgkRkx1jOoJvr14vFML+e/HYYQf78PGhYrZAPL+W7MyBNddytwK3nh8w3vlYTYM4ijTbJkfcmoKkvooRwBHLHc= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:47:02 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:47:05 +0000 (UTC) On 1/21/06, David Morton wrote: > On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ most of these images are missing (broken image icon) -- and the rest are fascinating! > > including nice big ones of the new EHX looper > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg > > and EHX HOG: > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg > > (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would > interest folk here the most) > > On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > > > Hi > > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > > Just to see what the story is. > > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Lab= s > > umbrella" > > Cheers > > It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, e= ven > > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 15:48:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 504013BEE0; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ob0PnSchrcfYwK64thOkQ4LfLTJf1lQlU6LzghuPTMMTch5HIlEOvDNR9TlD9HOpbUYs2MpKwVSOIEdfM9LWZFKOvQRKr6Te35h7wxyxXY1RgLj1JuYuKuho+xwueAEitcZzFH5ufgBV87h8Z+kR+EVat+RV02dkJ/4+arjr5II= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:48:06 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:48:07 +0000 (UTC) And -- I see you checked out the new EWI! how does it look?!?!? On 1/23/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > On 1/21/06, David Morton wrote: > > On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ > > most of these images are missing (broken image icon) -- and the rest > are fascinating! > > > > > including nice big ones of the new EHX looper > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg > > > > and EHX HOG: > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg > > > > (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would > > interest folk here the most) > > > > On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > > > Just to see what the story is. > > > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio L= abs > > > umbrella" > > > Cheers > > > It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater,= even > > > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 15:49:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CBA23BEF1; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C8UM89iRzE2iaaju8SDbDdl9Ev6NiA81M3EGs02ZgYy2cyDzbMqUtqqaffk9fgeZh7IVdJ3W+61BxyRwfCUfzDR9VjvEG4wvIN2/K/WccCidzhCQD9pDzjshbn9soFsKbPjnxh+Vj6Scl72rxEi71o+T/976qMHw8GYPl2G0eTU= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601230749x48cc3a4aw61412a866f133b5d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:49:31 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: NY Next weekend In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2fb9e4730601211350l74c10796u34b65bf59e2be397@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:49:33 +0000 (UTC) I don't know of any specific gigs this upcoming weekend.... you can check my mailing list http://ax.to for New York area "weird" events though... let us know if you are actually dropping by! On 1/21/06, Clint Allen wrote: > I'm going to be in Northport, Long Island from Thursday, 26th through the > 2nd, partially to play a private party Stick/loop gig-thing and to visit > friends. > > Does anyone have a venue/gig going on in the LI area, or Brooklyn/Queens= or > even the city? > > It's rare that I get to travel for a gig and actually go see a show in t= he > same trip. I would love a chance to > catch a show if possible. > > > Thanks in advance! > > Clint Allen > www.clintallen.com > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 16:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA693BEF4; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:00:42 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >And -- I see you checked out the new EWI! how does it look?!?!? > >On 1/23/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >>On 1/21/06, David Morton wrote: >> >> >>>On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here >>> >>>http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ >>> Like an EWI. Come on Tom...look at the photos. http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/akai_ewi4000.html That's a water bottle on the left. The horn is on the right. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 16:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BD873BEE8; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060123143606.67806.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060123143606.67806.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:39:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:39:20 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jan 2006, at 15.36, mark sottilaro wrote: > Other than a few friends and love partners I > don't think I've ever seen a non audience member at > one of the loopfests. Yes, that may be correct if the gig is announced as "loopfest" or =20 whatever in that vein. But there is also another way: if you =20 actively seek out just any audience out there to confront them with =20 your music without much "arty presentation". Seven days ago I was =20 more or less driven into that scenario from circumstances I wasn't =20 totally aware of, initially... I had been booked to play at a "beer bar" on their traditional "folk =20 singers night". I warned The Man that I was going to play =20 instrumentally and improvised and "nothing catchy at all", but they =20 asked me to come and play anyway because they would like "a broad =20 program" for the night. So I brought a saxophone, M=F6bius laptop, =20 FCB1010 pedal and two small Faderfox hand MIDI button mixers to catch =20= the tube. Well at the place it was kind of scaring to see the audience and hear =20= the first three acts. Some were rather good and some were quite lousy =20= (easy to hear which major artists they tried to mimic) but they all =20 performed Well Known Cover Songs. So I really thought no one would =20 like my music at all when I got on stage. In the kind ambition of =20 being less "abstract" I started to beatbox a rhythm into a loop. Then =20= I created, on a second track, three loops that corresponded to three =20 major chords and kept playing melodies through different =20 combinations of those chords - while also inserting new notes into =20 the chords (on passing by) to make the whole tune morph a little. =20 Some twelve minutes into the twenty minutes gig I created a new very =20 long loop on a third track while mixing down the beat track and the =20 chords track - I thought this could be some nice chilly part with =20 floating spaces... kind of ;-) Finally I noticed I had only two =20 minutes left so I mixed in the two groovy tracks again, hacked it up =20 a bit by Susbst Insert with zero feedback and finally kicked the =20 "empty all looping tracks" button on a rather loud "bruuup" note. Dead silence. I had forgot to check out the audience, although I had =20 heard them talking here and there while I was playing and now I just =20 thought they were so happy because I had stopped playing "bizarre non =20= folk singer music". But I was totally wrong! About sixty percent =20 really liked it and many came up to me for a chat, wanting to tell me =20= how much they had appreciated "hearing something different and cool". =20= Some put on a satanic grin and thanked me for confronting "those poor =20= souls that didn't get what you were doing" (the other 40 percent) and =20= some guys said they had had a great time studying the face expression =20= of everyone in the audience while I was playing. I could tell not =20 many of them had understood what I had actually been doing, in a =20 technical meaning, but who cares as long as they liked the show! One =20 guy in particular thought I had brought with me "prerecorded parts =20 that I triggered from foot pedals". Strange, because this guy used to =20= be a musician himself (having played with a "local hero" Swedish guy =20 that once was responsible for having Albert Ayler recorded when AA =20 was here in the sixties). Wow! I also picked up a booking for quite =20 prominent "arty" gig later on, since a certain person happened to be =20 at that beer bar by a lucky coincidence. Maybe they liked me because =20 they actually were there for the beer and socializing and not very =20 fond of folk singer amateurs and my gig simply made it possible for =20 them to finally "come out"? ;-) Well, a funny night it was. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 16:44:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7A403BEF0; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZIh9uF0hqPF+yXcdRGKdPQl3qFAPmNAJ6CsqouCJEEGMAASK/upKP3GQJNbFm1EjolFkvkPQmnG2h9euiIoVXTB8T9MTmsL34IeLc6t5LULBr1YE8GamnOVudv1FiB41yGhm+Ago8anddWi7SiYBYOtoI7Oyr5JilEiZSx1/APU= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601230844k4df015a5m53f2060ca57f403@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:44:02 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5vgUsC.A.2IH.TfQ1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Odd, I just checked back and they all work here. They take a while to load, but they all load eventually. On 1/23/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > On 1/21/06, David Morton wrote: > > On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ > > most of these images are missing (broken image icon) -- and the rest > are fascinating! > > > > > including nice big ones of the new EHX looper > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg > > > > and EHX HOG: > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg > > > > (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would > > interest folk here the most) > > > > On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > > > Just to see what the story is. > > > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio L= abs > > > umbrella" > > > Cheers > > > It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater,= even > > > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 16:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A8D3BEE4; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:51:26 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008301c6203d$406ff210$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Good story, Per. 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b=N7N8AxgwXVzKDovaAbvzaHqXAhjzq8F7HWy9laWqDDU9d5kha/xSqxn/YHY4fpMOS1rAvnuveUoS5spk0XHqrmQkXk9UqFMS0rluMMOd3FN1NBpTFhcy6JkvQ+KgSKE2o4rfL6Z3MFWm8o+lsuNcjDmVM7kAD7AGEmeF1vBghX0= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:12:13 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Sarcasm, sarcasm. Yes, yes, I saw the pix. I meant -- how did it come out? How does it sound? How does it manipulate??!?!? On 1/23/06, David Beardsley wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >And -- I see you checked out the new EWI! how does it look?!?!? > > > >On 1/23/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > > > >>On 1/21/06, David Morton wrote: > >> > >> > >>>On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here > >>> > >>>http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ > >>> > Like an EWI. Come on Tom...look at the photos. > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/akai_ewi4000.html > > That's a water bottle on the left. The horn is on the right. > > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 22:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A0553BECF; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NCs+TP+g5R1/+ycNdtHbF9RX8HRogUQtk3dIURJ2gTkrz7s5gyP2/RlBSEULpyRn5YzOrh8C2p2gWOY+IIVojqSJFHK/WiUDWTNHheTh+O8Bd3GGVeg+4C1rljvWbbTRJgWqVOrFvhnwvVpSLttQ3exDKML900JY7Xhruli8fWM= ; Message-ID: <20060123224713.91112.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Forget leaving the house! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Hey kids from all over the world! Now you never have to leave your house again! http://www.ninjam.com/ Seems like a great idea (forgets about doing away with unpredictable internet latency and just increases it to a matter of bars) but I've yet to try it. Who wants to jam with me... a me that exists SLIGHTLY IN THE PAST!? Share a common clock and who knows what nice things might happen? Hell, I've jammed with people that I was sure were not listening to me in the present so how bad could this be? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 23:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FF833BEE4; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: BOSS RC-20xl VS Jamman Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:19:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62049.93D4DC20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcYgc3xcXnlkTFv3SKmFa4sAZvgJlg== Message-Id: <20060123231916.PGBD20927.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Resent-Message-ID: <5NTYoC.A.GID.1RW1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:19:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62049.93D4DC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I was just looking for some suggestions. I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I would ever want to do this is debatable. I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my loops. one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? Thanks in advance, Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62049.93D4DC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then = exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact = that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I = would ever want to do this is debatable…

 

I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often = hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my = loops… one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end = of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there = who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC = 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable = features?

 

 

Thanks in advance,

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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C62049.93D4DC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 23:31:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C24AE3BEE4; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <68.64a0b69d.3106c164@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:31:48 EST Subject: CT-FILM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_68.64a0b69d.3106c164_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:31:56 +0000 (UTC) --part1_68.64a0b69d.3106c164_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just gave CT-FILM a relisten.....it is at times a dark little CD!.....i don't know about some of you out there!.....if anyone cares to listen.....www.ct-collective.com.....some excellent music by people you may know.....btb.....who wants to sell me one of their LD COMP 3 CDS. or should i get it from mr inami?.....i'm dying to hear it!.....m --part1_68.64a0b69d.3106c164_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just gave CT-FILM a relisten.....it is=20= at times a dark little CD!.....i don't know about some of you out there!....= .if anyone cares to listen.....www.ct-collective.com.....some excellent musi= c by people you may know.....btb.....who wants to sell me one of their LD CO= MP 3 CDS. or should i get it from mr inami?.....i'm dying to hear it!.....m<= /FONT> --part1_68.64a0b69d.3106c164_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 23:40:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A24D03BEE2; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D6F8LifsLDdICBIKb77Dz7cful+b4Ol79sb5E+wFZJ6Y0i3ynlZ7MleYYe7CYStM2gs9jc4l/UTx9MQVgpTfgYevSu47ajfc2jEtsN7Owwlgg8A8moF3Fv2pekgtRpTnVp3DQ35Et6JMfPmTQQLW1Ni3XWK+4wLS8/KqGUoJVoM= ; Message-ID: <20060123234045.20469.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:40:46 +0000 (UTC) wow,looks like a new MPC1000 is out,(at least colorwise) i wonder what the new goodies are??? nothing on Akais website yet Luis --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > Sarcasm, sarcasm. Yes, yes, I saw the pix. I meant > -- how did it > come out? How does it sound? How does it > manipulate??!?!? > > On 1/23/06, David Beardsley wrote: > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > > >And -- I see you checked out the new EWI! how > does it look?!?!? > > > > > >On 1/23/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > > > > > > >>On 1/21/06, David Morton > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>On the subject of NAMM, there are some great > pictures here > > >>> > > >>>http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ > > >>> > > Like an EWI. Come on Tom...look at the photos. > > > > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/akai_ewi4000.html > > > > That's a water bottle on the left. The horn is on > the right. > > > > > > -- > > * David Beardsley > > * microtonal guitar > > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 23 23:56:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CBAC3BEE2; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: "William Walker" , Subject: RE: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:55:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f1f8c21f17ef564546fbd15719307e5e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Bill, I take it the news from Electrix is either bad or non-existent - could you elaborate a little? Thanks a lot. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth > > > I just spent Saturday at the NAMM show, and my brother Rick and > Bob Amstadt > were gracious enough, to let me sit in on Rick's demo for Looperalative. I > gotta say, I haven't been this excited about a new loop tool in a > long time. > I think Bob is definitely on to something, and I was impressed with the > sound quality, and growing list of features. Even in the din of > NAMM, I was > able to get a feel for its operation and sonic integrity. > I did not make it to Roland, but I did go to see "Electrix" , and > man is the > new Repeater cool!!!!!!!!!! Wow everything I had hoped my RPTR > would be and > more... > NOT!!!!!!!!!!! > Like Kim, I was met by some very knowledgeable representatives > from the Body > Glove company, and let me tell you, the brunette, who was easily 6'5" in > platforms was really, really helpful..... > NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I also went by Electro Harmonix to see their new looper, under glass, and > get an update on their current battle to keep their tube factory > out of the > hands of a corrupt Russian business conglomerate. Its going well with many > big companies like Fender, and politicians getting in to the fray. Say a > prayer you tube freaks. > It was nice to meet a few of you at the loopers lunch, (we > missed you Ted) > and I got to see an old friend, Lyle Workman, who I may have mentioned > before, is currently breathing the rarified air as Sting's other > guitarist, > (along with Dominic Miller). Lyle Is a great guitar player and even nicer > guy. > NAMM was fun, and I'm excited that the Looperlative is giving hope to us > died in the wool hardware loopers, who would like to see the technology > progress and integrate the open ended qualities of software, > without relying > on a lap top for operation. I'm also excited that Roland is unveiling the > RC50, which may become a real item for those wanting a fairly conventional > looper in a rugged floor box. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth > > > Oh dear... I can tell this is going to be one of those "new toys" kind of > years... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Morton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth > > > On the subject of NAMM, there are some great pictures here > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/ > > including nice big ones of the new EHX looper > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_2880looper.jpg > > and EHX HOG: > > http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2006/eh_hog.jpg > > (and lots of other stuff, but those were the two that I thought would > interest folk here the most) > > On 1/20/06, mrweasel wrote: > > > > Hi > > Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? > > Just to see what the story is. > > They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs > > umbrella" > > Cheers > > It would be great to have some news about the future of the > repeater, even > > though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 00:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A810A3BEF8; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: New MPC1000 OS2 / Namm Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:05:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060123234045.20469.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcYgdm/EXhC9l470Te+7FG6TmI9rQQAAreew Message-Id: <20060124000604.111913BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:06:05 +0000 (UTC) The new OS for the MPC1000 (OS2) is actually available in the support section as well as the new manual for the MPC. Loads of new features. See for yourselves. I haven't had time to check them all yet but it adds a lot of possibilities to the machine. Bug fixes: 1. Fixed bug where user could not sample/resample the main output under certain conditions. 2. Fixed bug where saved program information does not reload the same way it was saved. 3. Fixed bug where tempo would slow when increasing tempo via data wheel. 4. Fixed bug where MPC1000 would send program #0 even though sequence was blank. 5. Fixed bug where record time changes when recording is discarded after pressing retry 6. Fixed bug where sequencer would crash, requiring reboot when entering [SEQ EDIT] mode while playing, after copying bars in [SEQ EDIT]. 7. Fixed bug where 'timestretch' algorithm would produce CPU address error. 8. Fixed bug where Moving Q1 on 'L/OUT' mixer page changes PAN when switching to 'L/PAN' page 9. Fixed bug where 'Note erase' wouldn't work when [NOTE REPEAT] is on. 10. Fixed bug where [NUMERIC] wouldn't work correctly for 'sq' field. 11. Fixed bug where overwriting a sample when editing would overwrite the wrong sample. 12. Fixed bug where an extra midi note is sent in [SLIDER] page 13. Fixed bug where slider 'reset' would not work 14. Fixed bug where 'discard' would not function for the beginning of a sample 15. Fixed bug where the compressor would cause click / severe distortion 16. Fixed bug where [TRIM] - would play random audio when end is set shorter than loop point. 17. Fixed bug where there would be a hanging note in [SEQ EDIT] 'transpose' for MIDI type track assigned to internal program. 18. Fixed bug where [NEXT SEQ] function would cause sequences to skip beats when previous Sequence was stopped halfway on last playback 19. Fixed miscellaneous product mislabeling in the user interface. Version: 2.0 Date: 11/17/05 New features/Changes: 1. Added delay effect 2. Added timestretch and pitch shift (offline) 3. Added ability to reverse samples 4. Added ability to slice samples and create patched phrases 5. Real-time modulation with Q-Link 6. Added Input thru 7. Added HDD support AKAI PROFESSIONAL MPC1000 RELEASE HISTORY 1 : You can buy a Hard drive extension for 30/40$ and add a 40G harddrive. 8. Added Track velocity field on [MAIN] screen 9. Added ability to audition samples directly from CF and HD 10. Added ability to adjust trim points with Q-Link sliders 11. Added Mixer automation 12. Added LFOs 13. Added Velocity > Start and Velocity > Pitch modulation 14. Added 'delete' and 'silence' option for [TRIM] 'edit' window 15. Added ability to change sequences by external MIDI program change 16. Added [NOTE REPEAT] hold. 17. Added .snd file support 18. Added multiple edit of 'shift timing', 'velocity' and 'duration' at [SEQ EDIT] mode 19. Added tempo sync of 'flying pan' and 'Tremolo' effect 20. Added note range selection for 'View' field in [STEP EDIT] mode 21. Added a shortcut between [MIXER] and [EFFECT] mode 22. Added multiple pad selection in [MIXER] mode with shift button 23. Added sequence parameter 'copy' 24. Added program based Mono/Poly setup 25. Added specific event type selection in [ERASE] window 26. Added 'repeat' option for Footswitch -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: 23 January 2006 23:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth wow,looks like a new MPC1000 is out,(at least colorwise) i wonder what the new goodies are??? nothing on Akais website yet Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 00:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 324D13BEF4; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0sfTsxvLkcuBTGfAcjFiwOJk9Ghoz2kmUEQGmLjsRtV4wpDBRHiOC+gZSj9tG8rfvUmZiznyDNHybnpsDTvHgAB+1LJJHLSITLrBcVgoy9BTwjYtzEAUz5vHJKxmOMIUwrnSVttKByH3aPiWuKJq+N9NtMiGpyDQ+EDd8Maw4qI= ; Message-ID: <20060124001911.81939.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: New MPC1000 OS2 / Namm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060124000604.111913BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:19:13 +0000 (UTC) oh man thank u that is great news! i jst went to the german website and is right there i wonder why the english website is so vague about it! thats why i love this forum thanx again Luis --- mrweasel wrote: > The new OS for the MPC1000 (OS2) is actually > available in the support > section as well as the new manual for the MPC. > Loads of new features. See for yourselves. > I haven't had time to check them all yet but it adds > a lot of possibilities > to the machine. > > Bug fixes: > 1. Fixed bug where user could not sample/resample > the main output under > certain conditions. > 2. Fixed bug where saved program information does > not reload the same way it > was saved. > 3. Fixed bug where tempo would slow when increasing > tempo via data wheel. > 4. Fixed bug where MPC1000 would send program #0 > even though sequence was > blank. > 5. Fixed bug where record time changes when > recording is discarded after > pressing retry > 6. Fixed bug where sequencer would crash, requiring > reboot when entering > [SEQ EDIT] mode while playing, after copying bars in > [SEQ EDIT]. > 7. Fixed bug where 'timestretch' algorithm would > produce CPU address error. > 8. Fixed bug where Moving Q1 on 'L/OUT' mixer page > changes PAN when > switching to 'L/PAN' page > 9. Fixed bug where 'Note erase' wouldn't work when > [NOTE REPEAT] is on. > 10. Fixed bug where [NUMERIC] wouldn't work > correctly for 'sq' field. > 11. Fixed bug where overwriting a sample when > editing would overwrite the > wrong sample. > 12. Fixed bug where an extra midi note is sent in > [SLIDER] page > 13. Fixed bug where slider 'reset' would not work > 14. Fixed bug where 'discard' would not function for > the beginning of a > sample > 15. Fixed bug where the compressor would cause click > / severe distortion > 16. Fixed bug where [TRIM] - would play random audio > when end is set shorter > than loop point. > 17. Fixed bug where there would be a hanging note in > [SEQ EDIT] 'transpose' > for MIDI type track assigned to internal program. > 18. Fixed bug where [NEXT SEQ] function would cause > sequences to skip beats > when previous Sequence was stopped halfway on last > playback > 19. Fixed miscellaneous product mislabeling in the > user interface. Version: > 2.0 Date: 11/17/05 > > New features/Changes: > 1. Added delay effect > 2. Added timestretch and pitch shift (offline) > 3. Added ability to reverse samples > 4. Added ability to slice samples and create patched > phrases > 5. Real-time modulation with Q-Link > 6. Added Input thru > 7. Added HDD support AKAI PROFESSIONAL MPC1000 > RELEASE HISTORY 1 : You can > buy a Hard drive extension for 30/40$ and add a 40G > harddrive. > 8. Added Track velocity field on [MAIN] screen > 9. Added ability to audition samples directly from > CF and HD > 10. Added ability to adjust trim points with Q-Link > sliders > 11. Added Mixer automation > 12. Added LFOs > 13. Added Velocity > Start and Velocity > Pitch > modulation > 14. Added 'delete' and 'silence' option for [TRIM] > 'edit' window > 15. Added ability to change sequences by external > MIDI program change > 16. Added [NOTE REPEAT] hold. > 17. Added .snd file support > 18. Added multiple edit of 'shift timing', > 'velocity' and 'duration' at [SEQ > EDIT] mode > 19. Added tempo sync of 'flying pan' and 'Tremolo' > effect > 20. Added note range selection for 'View' field in > [STEP EDIT] mode > 21. Added a shortcut between [MIXER] and [EFFECT] > mode > 22. Added multiple pad selection in [MIXER] mode > with shift button > 23. Added sequence parameter 'copy' > 24. Added program based Mono/Poly setup > 25. Added specific event type selection in [ERASE] > window > 26. Added 'repeat' option for Footswitch > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: 23 January 2006 23:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the > Electrix booth > > wow,looks like a new MPC1000 is out,(at least > colorwise) i wonder what the new goodies are??? > nothing on Akais website yet > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 00:36:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 939403BEE7; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:36:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060121222947.0482b038@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Yeh, the picture is a lot clearer now...hot chicks rule!!!!! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth At 03:39 PM 1/20/2006, mrweasel wrote: >Can anybody check the Electrix booth if they are at the Namm show? >Just to see what the story is. >They are "Supposedly at Booth 5910 in Hall B under the eBlitz Audio Labs >umbrella" I went to that booth today. That is the Body Glov both. There were video screens showing surfers. Attractive yet vacuous looking models were standing around pointlessly, ignoring everybody. There were some clothing racks. Initially I was really mystified why Body Glov would even be at NAMM, until I noticed they make instrument cases. I guess for when you take your guitar surfing. There was nothing remotely electronic in the booth. That makes sense, because those models are not cheap! You wouldn't want to risk one of them injuring themselves with electricity, or by trying to answer some looper's geeky questions. I thought you must be playing some strange joke on me by sending me there, or perhaps trying to improve my social life. (it didn't work.) But I checked the show directory, and sure enough that was eBlitz Audio Labs. Their brands are listed as "Body Glov, FXpansion, Electrix". I asked the one intelligent looking person in the booth if she knew anything about Electrix, and she did not. Whoever was in charge was not around, and I never did find that person when I went by again. >Cheers >It would be great to have some news about the future of the repeater, even >though I'm starting to have doubts about Electrix' resurrection This news should really clear things up then. Speaking of surf, as I was leaving the show Friday night the Ventures started playing on a stage just outside. Wow, that ruled! They were so tight and sounded just amazing. And they were clearly having a great time playing. a real treat. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 00:58:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2A4B3BEC2; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ckPqxsCU2PLcotq9m/IE3rajXT9Ie4c0DB2AMTplz8wsHnjGe9Bpu/IdP7U6Dc1Q9kr9sQKEA7Exd74ggs+/bsH+4HO0omshCH7mGDZ5sL3X4W/fXLYDuw6nNqcN95/pjRR2kxryHUVL8iB/X6oUfeFJqJAsUBmO3mCbiUHY7uY= ; Message-ID: <20060124005811.36332.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:58:14 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, that may be correct if the gig is announced as > "loopfest" or whatever in that vein. But there is also another > way: if you actively seek out just any audience out there to > confront them with your music without much "arty presentation". I totally agree. I know Rick Walker will argue this to his grave, but I find that promoting a gig as a "looping" gig is the worst thing one can do. Lucky for me I really dig a lot of the beats happening in modern dance music and that let's me often slip unnoticed into ravesque gigs and art functions. When I was busy in the live music world it never even occured to me to use the word looper... ever. Even though most of what I was doing ended up in some sort of looper. "AmbientElectroBlinkyBlipHop" makes a lot more sense than "looper." (to me) No one cares... except you guys... and that's great. I still think loopfests are viable great things that should happen forever. I wouldn't count on them ever bringing you before a bigger audience though. > > > The banner of > > > looping will soon likely no longer be carried, > > > practiced and promoted by an elite and funky > > > cadre of amature-to-semi-pro avant-gardists and > > > musical non-conformists. Praise be! As much as I love the "avant guard" (though I'd argue that there is no such thing) "prog rock" world, I hate it's pretence. It's funny, I've been to enough loopfests to see that a lot of decent music seems to be ignored and the "out" stuff seems to be favored. I kind of like both for different reasons... someone once covered a Todd Rundgren song and I wondered why... but then it occurred to me that it was because that's what he wanted to play and this was a fest about a musical tool, not a musical genre. But I went to loopfests to see progressive new music... probably because the people that made me awear of looping were Robert Fripp and Brian Eno... ah those were good times... but to say that prog rock and ambient music is the music of looping is silly and selfish. LOOPING TO THE PEOPLE I SAY! I'm sure like anything else 90% of it will be pure crap, 8% will be pretty good and 2% will be amazing. That's just how the world is. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:20:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877973BEE6; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: JamMan Software Available Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:19:56 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <01ac01c62084$4961b5b0$6601a8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C62041.3B3E75B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcYghEkfDQ331ir2RQ+qNXd2MOeZoA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:20:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C62041.3B3E75B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to announce the availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can be. We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands. Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta link and you'll be on your way in no time. Steve Mark LooperTools ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C62041.3B3E75B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd like to announce the = availability=20 of new JamMan loop = management=20 software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial = period. Come=20 check it out and help us make it everything it can be.

We are = still=20 working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. = We felt=20 that it was important to make the software available as soon as we could = so that=20 we could get it into your hands.

Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta = link and=20 you'll be on your way in no time.

Steve = Mark
LooperTools

------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C62041.3B3E75B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:31:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC933BED9; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: LIVE + CD SALES etc Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:32:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6205C.18CE2140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c6156f$e638e7c0$5a01a8c0@mark> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYVb+jsEM3Q1xXKRvKebe06ysG6DwLFevmQ Message-Id: <20060124013156.KXDV16473.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Resent-Message-ID: <4xk8WB.A.ZPB.OOY1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:31:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6205C.18CE2140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, Just wanted to let you know that I think that this is a fantastic idea. thanks for sharing.... I hope you don't mind if I give your method a shot? Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com _____ From: mark francombe [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:56 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LIVE + CD SALES etc whats all this then... ? thought you were all artistes!! Not money grabbing leaches!!!! Well Ive done it both ways, the profesh way, with a record company, singles photo shoots interviews videos on mtv etc.... and the home grown CDR website sell a few out at gigs way, and you know what? I sold more records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive tax bill, and a nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really sell any, not really... so wanna guess what I do now? I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!! Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... if someone says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive taken this quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, I leave CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was left here on purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like it... keep it, if you dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank you... I've left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, bars, I've even left them in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next to the Cranes Records (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on the counter... Here in Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free Record Shop"... I left some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of course i make sure the website address is on there and you know what??? I've had more people come to my website and BUY records using this method than by ANYTHING ELSE EVER!!! love mark... PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe old age of 42 I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still thinking... anyway wish me luck! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14666 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6205C.18CE2140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Mark,

 

Just wanted to let you know that I = think that this is a fantastic idea… thanks for sharing.... I hope you = don’t mind if I give your method a shot?

 

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=
Original Acoustic Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com<= /font>

From: mark = francombe [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 09, = 2006 5:56 PM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LIVE + CD SALES = etc

 

whats all this then... ?

thought you were all artistes!! Not money = grabbing leaches!!!!

 Well Ive done it both ways, the profesh way, with a record = company, singles photo shoots interviews videos on mtv = etc.... and = the home grown CDR website sell a few out at gigs way, and = you know what? I sold more records the profesh way, and ended up with a massive = tax bill, and a nervous breakdown, and the other way I well didnt really = sell any, not really...

 

so wanna guess what I do now? =

 

I GIVE THEM AWAY!!!!

 

Yep... a CDR is almost free to me so... if someone = says I like your stuff, I say.... here ya go then!!! Actually Ive taken this = quite far, now I dont leave flyers on tables in cafes and bars, I leave = CD's... they have a simple sticker which says, This cd was left here on = purpose, please take it... listen to it, and if you like it... keep it, if you = dont like it, please leave it somewhere else. Thank = you... I've left them in railway stations and churches, cafes, bars, I've even = left them in Record Shops, sometimes slipping them in next to the Cranes = Records (my old profesh band) sometimes asking to put them on the counter... Here in = Norway we have a chain of Record Shops called "Free Record Shop"... I left = some marked "Free Record" in there... ha ha ha... of course i make = sure the website address is on there and you know what??? I've had more = people come to my website and BUY records using this method than by ANYTHING ELSE = EVER!!!

 

love mark...

 

PS: Im off to bed, in the morning Im off to the = hospital with my better half to induce my firstborn son...at the ripe old age of 42 = I'm finally gonna be a Dad!!! Anyone like the name Nikolas??? still = thinking... anyway wish me luck!

 

 

 

 

mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6205C.18CE2140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 01:32:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DFA63BEE2; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:32:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6205C.1FA56190" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYghEkfDQ331ir2RQ+qNXd2MOeZoAAAY0Uw In-Reply-To: <01ac01c62084$4961b5b0$6601a8c0@zuma> Message-Id: <20060124013251.CD6923BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:32:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6205C.1FA56190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may want to specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see support for the Lexicon JamMan as well! _____ From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JamMan Software Available I'd like to announce the availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can be. We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands. Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta link and you'll be on your way in no time. Steve Mark LooperTools ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6205C.1FA56190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You may want to specify that = software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I = would love to see support for the Lexicon JamMan as = well!

 

From: Steve = Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 8:20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: JamMan Software = Available

 

I'd like to announce the availability of new = JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our = initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can = be.

We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be = upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as = soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands.

Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com<= font face=3DArial>. Click on the beta link = and you'll be on your way in no time.

Steve Mark
LooperTools

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6205C.1FA56190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 02:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335163BECA; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.175.105.254] X-Originating-Email: [mhayungs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhayungs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "michael hayungs" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: samplers loopers and midi Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:11:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 02:11:25.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ABCBBD0:01C6208B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:11:29 +0000 (UTC) were you just showing me your website or did you have a suggestion? >From: Thomas Dimuzio >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: samplers loopers and midi >Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:08:40 -0800 > >>I don't know if this has already been discussed but for the longest time >>I've been in search for a looping/sampler set-up similar to the new Boss >>RC-50 but slightly different. Basically i'd like to take a sampler device >>similar to the Roland SP-404 (midi syncable) and trigger samples on it >>from a midi foot pedal, like that Behringer one but smaller. Does anyone >>know of a more compact midi foot pedal that sends midi note on/off >>signals? Basically I'd like to designate one pedal to one sample pad on >>the SP-404 or similar unit. Sounds like the RC-50 might be the easiest >>option, anyone know when it's coming out in the US? > >-- > >:: :: thomas dimuzio / gench music >:: :: http://www.gench.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 02:24:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9903BECA; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:24:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62063.6705EAD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgjU+DGUDBUaYXT86OAlBvomn1Gg== Message-Id: <20060124022414.XJVH5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:24:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62063.6705EAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the repost but I didn't specify that it is a Digitech JamMan (I read another post and I guess that there is a Lexicon JamMan.?) Hi I was just looking for some suggestions. I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I would ever want to do this is debatable. I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my loops. one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? Maybe I should revert to the RC 20? Any suggestions are appreciated. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62063.6705EAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry about the repost but I didn’t specify = that it is a Digitech JamMan (I read another post and I guess that there is a = Lexicon JamMan…?)

 

Hi I was just looking for some = suggestions…

 

I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then = exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact = that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I = would ever want to do this is debatable…

 

I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often = hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my = loops… one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end = of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there = who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC = 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? Maybe I should revert to = the RC 20?

 

Any suggestions are = appreciated…

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=
Original Acoustic Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com<= /span>

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62063.6705EAD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 02:41:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5ED63BECF; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=D2sFcie4oPvVFhQ1hDuwg2NBh94rKmgoHUj7osx1i0eZSf+vwFDWt2AHhI/YyPRF; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200612242487210@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Journey to Sirotastan RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:48:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ee703c8291efe56c2f904c0674e3845e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) "I was coming off a stint writing the "weird column" for Guitar Player" I THOUGHT THAT NAME LOOKED FAMILIAR! I loved your column. ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Warren Sirota > To: > Date: 1/23/2006 8:44:37 AM > Subject: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP > > I can identify with what Ted is saying (but I draw some different > conclusions - see end), although I had substantial performance skills before > encountering electronics. When I moved from the SF Bay Area to Oregon in > '92, I was coming off a stint writing the "weird column" for Guitar Player > and graduating from Mills - I had a reputation in the Bay Area as being "the > best guitarist for really weird stuff", but my bottom-line skills as a > guitarist and (somewhat lesser skills) as a composer were widely overlooked > (even though I'd performed widely throughout the Bay Area in the Electric > Guitar Quartet, orchestrating and performing string quartets for custom > electric guitars - pretty non-trivial chops territory). When I moved, I > vowed to not develop that reputation in my new locale. > > In Oregon, I played in a Reggae/rock band for a couple of years (channeling > my electronic explorative tendencies into sound design, both in my guitar > synth sounds and in my multi-effect presets). I made private tapes that > captured the weird things I was doing when testing products for Musician's > Friend. I woodshedded (and started the World Wide Woodshed, and created > practicing tools). I spent 2 or 3 years accompanying a solo (alto) > clarinettist at jazz gigs, taking unaccompanied solos. I followed that with > a few years leading jazz/swing duos and trios so that I could develop my > "leader" skills more. > > Then I moved to NYC. I started sitting in on some of the jazz jams in > Brooklyn, and I have to admit I was out of my league (not so much with the > other guitarists there, of which there were surprisingly few, but when > compared to the unbelievable horn and keyborad players). It didn't last > long. At the same time, I hooked up with my old percussionist buddy (and > kindergarten classmate), Steve Rubin, who I'd played with in freeform improv > groups in and around 1970, and who had an interest in restarting something > like that. I brushed off the EDP to fill out the duo for several reasons, > but the biggest one is that looping struck a balance between two "problems" > of freeform improv (at least for me): (1) we needed more than 2 instruments > to fill out the soundscape enough for my taste (2) adding another tonal > instrument would be inhibiting for me - it pretty much limits the possible > tonalities to modal things, pre-arranged chord changes or utter chaos, > because my ear is just not good enough to pick up a rapidly-shifting chord > structure implied by, say, a bass or piano player running free. > > So, I know for myself that I am a middling-level jazz guitarist, but an > excellent guitarist of unknown genre. I am a better creator of vocabularies > and idioms than a user of others' vocabularies. Based on my listening of the > works of other members of this forum, I would say that this might be a > deeper shared characteristic than the fact that we all used looping devices > at some times. Or perhaps we're all developing a new musical vocabulary that > incorporates the characteristics and capabilities of electronic and > electronically-enhanced instruments, and we just don't have a good name for > it yet. (Maybe this "place" is where all(?) the free-improvers came who > weren't that interested in the Coltrane-ish way of doing it...) > > YET here we are, congregated together in this very interesting and, I would > say, vital community, under the banner of "Looper's Delight". For whatever > reason, this list has more the feel of a community than anything I've seen > since the early days of the WELL (probably has a lot to do with the F2F that > we get at live looping festivals like Y2Kn). There are some things that we > have in common here, although I'm sure that categorizing them would be > difficult. I kind of think that the smart thing to do, from a marketing > standpoint, would be to all form a record label together and start promoting > the "Live Looping" concept in media all over the world, making it into the > next "pseduo-big" thing (if you're not making music suitable for > 20-something clubs, "big" thing is probably overly ambitious - but there are > exceptions - Norah Jones did become a certifiably "big" thing without that). > > Even though probably a lot of us here would feel that "Loop Music" is a > reductionist way of looking at what we do, reductionism can be a very good > thing from a commercial standpoint. I say, embrace and extend the usage of > the term to add to public recognition. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:32 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP > > > > > > On 23 jan 2006, at 00.43, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi there, 8< 8< 8< 8< 8<....... > > > > > > I agree with the opinions on looping posted by Ted. As I have > > repeatedly said in threads touching the looping community etc I > > regard looping as both and instrument and a performance technique, > > but not being a musical style. I really never thought anyone was > > serious with this "being a looper" talk and still regard it as a > > funny community jargon on this list. It's cool and in fact > > many of us > > share similar musical tastes and artistic expression in what we do. > > What really matters though, is what story the music tells the > > listener. > > > > My own life looping has been an instrument that has been with me > > since around 1983 to extend my traditional instruments, tenor > > sax and > > stratocaster electric guitar. One year ago I began to learn a new > > instrument, the traverse alto flute. I choose that traditional > > instrument because I had a vision of it being a suitable > > extension of > > my instrument Looping. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 03:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A833BEDE; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <042001c62097$4835e540$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Loop Video from Dosh Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:35:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 452, in=218230, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Found this loop video on a music blog... http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov >From Dosh - http://www.anticon.com/a-dosh.htm Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 04:13:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6053BED9; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:13:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6209C.91785FD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060124022414.XJVH5216.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcYgjU+DGUDBUaYXT86OAlBvomn1GgADy5WQ Message-Id: <20060124041350.DC17C3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:13:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6209C.91785FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go for a Boss RC50 Way better _____ From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: 24 January 2006 02:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan Sorry about the repost but I didn't specify that it is a Digitech JamMan (I read another post and I guess that there is a Lexicon JamMan.?) Hi I was just looking for some suggestions. I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I would ever want to do this is debatable. I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my loops. one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? Maybe I should revert to the RC 20? Any suggestions are appreciated. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6209C.91785FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Go=20 for a Boss RC50
Way=20 better

From: Joshua Morin=20 [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com]
Sent: 24 January 2006=20 02:25
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: HELP=20 PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan

Sorry about the repost but = I didn’t=20 specify that it is a Digitech JamMan (I read another post and I guess = that there=20 is a Lexicon JamMan…?)

 

Hi I was just looking for = some=20 suggestions…

 

I recently purchased a = BOSS RC 20XL=20 and then exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was = because I=20 liked the fact that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer = loops via=20 usb. Whether I would ever want to do this is=20 debatable…

 

I am happy with the Jamman = with one=20 problem. I often hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound = cuts)=20 between my loops… one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was = that it would=20 sort out the end of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is = there=20 anyone out there who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or = is it=20 simply that the RC 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? = Maybe I=20 should revert to the RC 20?

 

Any suggestions are=20 appreciated…

Joshua=20 Morin
Artist/Songwriter
Original Acoustic Rock = Music
www.joshuamorin.com

= ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6209C.91785FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 04:35:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7993BED9; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tim Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:35:17 -0800 Message-ID: <014601c6209f$93d66cb0$0501a8c0@trill> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgmhFq3bYi/RBdQeuecy7/iE+7NAAAd1KQ In-Reply-To: <01e701c62024$93a2cf70$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Lest anyone wonder about that answer and not think to type it into google, see http://www.gbloink.com . Innovative, useful, immediately accessible, fun to play with, and can be used in some very creative and interactive ways. I'd forgotten about it, thanks for the reminder. The world needs more gbloinks. ...Tim... -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] GBLOINK? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" > Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone or > texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 05:04:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 911C93BEDC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <042001c62097$4835e540$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <042001c62097$4835e540$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:04:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Loop Video from Dosh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:04:19 +0000 (UTC) At 8:35 PM -0700 1/23/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >Found this loop video on a music blog... > >http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov > >From Dosh - http://www.anticon.com/a-dosh.htm Nice! Stylistically, it reminds me of Mice Parade's "Bem-Vinda Vontade". I also like the way he worked multiple screens into the video to give the looping a visual element. --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 05:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D180D3BEE4; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044501c620a3$e2ce5950$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <014601c6209f$93d66cb0$0501a8c0@trill> Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:06:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 449, in=202796, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Ben / Tim......outstanding! I'm using this now on my laptop. Very cool. Easy to use. I love the chromatic and odd settings...with piano, it sounds very Webern like. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Thompson" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators > Lest anyone wonder about that answer and not think > to type it into google, see http://www.gbloink.com . > Innovative, useful, immediately accessible, > fun to play with, and can be used in some > very creative and interactive ways. > I'd forgotten about it, thanks for the reminder. > > The world needs more gbloinks. > > ...Tim... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] > > GBLOINK? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" >> Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone or >> texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than that. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 05:33:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C32A63BEDD; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D5BC38.6000905@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:33:44 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Random Tone/Texture Generators References: <014601c6209f$93d66cb0$0501a8c0@trill> <044501c620a3$e2ce5950$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <044501c620a3$e2ce5950$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:33:52 +0000 (UTC) I forgot about this one until the GBloink link came up: http://www.sounder.com/ Very similar concept. Dunno if you'd like it better or not. Dig Kris Hartung wrote: > Ben / Tim......outstanding! I'm using this now on my laptop. Very > cool. Easy to use. I love the chromatic and odd settings...with piano, > it sounds very Webern like. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Thompson" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:35 PM > Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators > > >> Lest anyone wonder about that answer and not think >> to type it into google, see http://www.gbloink.com . >> Innovative, useful, immediately accessible, >> fun to play with, and can be used in some >> very creative and interactive ways. >> I'd forgotten about it, thanks for the reminder. >> >> The world needs more gbloinks. >> >> ...Tim... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] >> >> GBLOINK? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kris Hartung" >> >>> Anyone know of a free standalone or VST plugin that is a random tone or >>> texture generator? It could be as hip as Sun Ra, but simpler than that. >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 06:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 844DC3BEC2; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:26:32 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <000601c620af$1e998120$6601a8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6206C.10764120" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060124013251.CD6923BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcYghEkfDQ331ir2RQ+qNXd2MOeZoAAAY0UwAApLOAA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:26:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6206C.10764120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the Lexicon JamMan have any sort of PC interface (card, usb, serial, etc.)? _____ From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available You may want to specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see support for the Lexicon JamMan as well! _____ From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JamMan Software Available I'd like to announce the availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can be. We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands. Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta link and you'll be on your way in no time. Steve Mark LooperTools ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6206C.10764120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does the Lexicon JamMan have any sort of PC = interface=20 (card, usb, serial, etc.)?

From: Bill Edmondson=20 [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 5:32=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE:=20 JamMan Software Available

You may = want to=20 specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is = also a=20 Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see support for the Lexicon = JamMan=20 as well!

 

From: Steve=20 Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 = 8:20=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: JamMan Software=20 Available

 

I'd like to announce the = availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are = looking for=20 beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and = help us=20 make it everything it can be.

We are still working on the site = so=20 please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it was=20 important to make the software available as soon as we could so that = we could=20 get it into your hands.

Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta = link and=20 you'll be on your way in no time.

Steve=20 = Mark
LooperTools

= ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6206C.10764120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 06:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC723BED2; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:29:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C62085.A5CDB960" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000601c620af$1e998120$6601a8c0@zuma> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYghEkfDQ331ir2RQ+qNXd2MOeZoAAAY0UwAApLOAAAABJ+IA== Message-Id: <20060124062946.5B4193BEB0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:29:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C62085.A5CDB960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just midi. I'll inquire the designer about what info is available via sysex. I'm sure the loop data is _not_ available via midi but there may be other data available. _____ From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Does the Lexicon JamMan have any sort of PC interface (card, usb, serial, etc.)? _____ From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available You may want to specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see support for the Lexicon JamMan as well! _____ From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JamMan Software Available I'd like to announce the availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can be. We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands. Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta link and you'll be on your way in no time. Steve Mark LooperTools ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C62085.A5CDB960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just midi. I’ll inquire the = designer about what info is available via sysex. I’m sure the loop data is = _not_ available via midi but there = may be other data available.

 

From: Steve = Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January = 24, 2006 1:27 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: JamMan = Software Available

 

Does the Lexicon JamMan have any = sort of PC interface (card, usb, serial, etc.)?

 

From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 5:32 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: JamMan = Software Available

You may want to specify that = software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of = course, I would love to see support for the Lexicon JamMan as = well!

 

From: Steve = Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 8:20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: JamMan Software = Available

 

I'd like to announce the availability of new = JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our = initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can = be.

We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be = upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as = soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands.

Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com<= font face=3DArial>. Click on the beta link = and you'll be on your way in no time.

Steve Mark
LooperTools

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C62085.A5CDB960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 06:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD5F3BECC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Steve Mark" To: Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:36:31 -0800 Organization: On-The-Mark Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <001101c620b0$835cfc80$6601a8c0@zuma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6206D.7539BC80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060124062946.5B4193BEB0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcYghEkfDQ331ir2RQ+qNXd2MOeZoAAAY0UwAApLOAAAABJ+IAAASEOA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:36:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6206D.7539BC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be great, thanks. The app is modular, in fact I'm hoping to get some RC-50 spec's to support that. Steve _____ From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Just midi. I'll inquire the designer about what info is available via sysex. I'm sure the loop data is _not_ available via midi but there may be other data available. _____ From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Does the Lexicon JamMan have any sort of PC interface (card, usb, serial, etc.)? _____ From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available You may want to specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see support for the Lexicon JamMan as well! _____ From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JamMan Software Available I'd like to announce the availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and help us make it everything it can be. We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available as soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands. Come check it out at: http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta link and you'll be on your way in no time. Steve Mark LooperTools ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6206D.7539BC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That would be great, thanks.  The app is = modular, in=20 fact I'm hoping to get some RC-50 spec's to support = that.
 
Steve

From: Bill Edmondson=20 [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006=20 10:30 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 RE: JamMan Software Available

Just midi. = I’ll=20 inquire the designer about what info is available via sysex. I’m = sure the loop=20 data is _not_ = available via=20 midi but there may be other data = available.

 

From: Steve=20 Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 = 1:27=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: JamMan Software=20 Available

 

Does the = Lexicon=20 JamMan have any sort of PC interface (card, usb, serial,=20 etc.)?

 

From: Bill=20 Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 5:32=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: JamMan Software=20 Available

You may = want to=20 specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan since there = is also=20 a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see support for the = Lexicon=20 JamMan as well!

 

From: Steve=20 Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 8:20=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: JamMan Software=20 Available

 

I'd like to announce = the=20 availability of new JamMan loop management software. We are = looking for=20 beta testers during our initial trial period. Come check it out and = help us=20 make it everything it can be.

We are still working on the = site so=20 please excuse the mess, it will be upgraded soon. We felt that it = was=20 important to make the software available as soon as we could so that = we=20 could get it into your hands.

Come check it out at: = http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta = link and=20 you'll be on your way in no time.

Steve=20 = Mark
LooperTools

=
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6206D.7539BC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 07:04:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DAC63BEC1; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.23] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <2d2.193d71f.310572ae@aol.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:04:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 07:04:20.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[660A9710:01C620B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Wow, what an interesting thread Ted has opened for us….. It again opens up for discourse and debate the questions of not so much “how we do what we do”, but “why we do what we do”. I am a musician. I am very proud of the fact that I make a (comfortable) living doing what I love to do. I don’t really consider myself so much a “looping musician” (although I use looping extensively) any more than I consider myself a “jazz musician” (although I do tend to play quite a bit in that idiom). I am a bass player although I introduce myself simply as a musician. And, as a bass player, my biggest musical influences are not Jaco and Stanley, but Miles Davis and Igor Stravinsky. So, I am a looping jazz bassist currently playing country with some icons of that genre (oh, and yes, even using loops in that situation!). I prefer to see myself simply as a musician. And as a musician I make the best with what I have. My music would not be all that different should I be using an EDP and bass guitar or a coconut shell, some aluminum foil, kite string and a ball point pen. I am a solo bassist as well. In that capacity I use loops the most. Like Ted, I have spent that past year or so really trying to downplay the “reliance” on loops in my music. My goal has been to focus on the music I play and not the technology I use with it. I try to make my looping interactive with my playing; in fact, I feel most successful when one cannot discern between the looped and played parts. I have learned to use short loops which I bring into(and then back out of) a composition as an integral part as opposed to the loop being the “starting point” of a piece, or the MAIN FEATURE of a composition. In the process I have tried to both be a better musician and a more “discerning” loopist. Limiting how I use loops, and fx processing as well—I use only a spring reverb for fx, --has actually enhanced what I do musically. I suppose I am fortunate to have had, and to have, a musical identity outside of looping. This makes scaling back the technology and concentrating on the physical act of “playing” and instrument easier (and before the flames begin let me just say that I have no fear nor prejudice about technology, but do feel there is a difference ‘tween programming and playing. While both require requisite skills—altho those with no requisite skills can, and often do, excel at either—playing often (in the best of circumstances) also possesses a certain, for lack of a better word, pathos which programming cannot. For me it is that I do not want to be a “one-man-band”. I do not want to fill every sonic nook and and cranny or have a seemingly infinite number of sonic/fx/routing possibilities. I like the limitations of wrangling sounds from a single instrument which sounds like a single instrument (and that being, of all things, an acoustic instrument). I use looping as an integral part of that sonic picture; rarely to create a static event which is played over, but rather a series of calls and responses which are played with and to. I also make no qualms about playing structures which are severely “in” (as opposed to being “out”). Although I do have a background in experimentalism and the “avant”, I tend to be compelled to explore more “traditional” compositional forms. I find using loops in this way to be even more challenging than doing the almost clichéd experimental-looping schtick. And again, before the flames begin---artists create, exploring whatever form they choose, from (more than any other reason) a compulsion to do so: because they have to do so. Whatever that compulsion is with you, then by all means do it with all of the power and passion you can muster. But to play music, whether that be “inside” or “outside, merely because it is easily done with the technology you have at hand…or because others are doing it…is a great waste of time and effort. But, that is just me. One thing I was really hit with at the Y2K5 Festival in Santa Cruz was just how diverse, and creative, all we loopsters are. And, in all this creativity and diversity the question is stilled begged, “is this an art form?” I am not sure it really qualifies as such. It is an approach, a technique, and as such one which is manipulated in a thousand different ways by different artists. Is it new and novel? Well, we all know it is not (yet, in the greater timeline of musical evolution it is certainly a discipline which is still very much in its’ infancy). Even so, the “technique” of looping has and will continue to permeate the boundaries of pop music…which is not really so surprising since the use of loops in audio production has been a mainstay technique for decades. So what of the “live looping” movement, the “loopfests” and even this list…are any of these such a bad thing? I sometimes have wondered if naming a show a “looping show” does not somehow limit the performance, or at least the audience. Yet, I also applaud the efforts (and do help to promote these events). I do regular solo looping shows (3-5 a month), and I used to include a little “explanation” of how looping works if only to thwart any possible audience misconception of me using “canned” tracks. Some of these are gigs that are similar to the experience which Per described. I have given up explaining things. I have learned not to underestimate the audience; not in their ability to comprehend a performance, nor in their willingness (or, in fact, desire) to be challenged with new music outside of what their preconception of music might be. I think that often times we as performers do underestimate our audience. This is a big mistake. At my shows, I have found that while the audience may not truly understand the method of looping, they are sharp enough to “get” the process…and appreciate it as well (sans explanation). Yes, there is a great deal of “preaching to the choir” in all of this, but often you have to talk to those who are willing to listen. I am sure there will come a time when looping is not such an exotic thing as to even warrant being labeled. Of course, by then there will be a lot of crappy looping going on as well. (as Mark pointed out) In the meantime, I welcome anything which gives exposure to “what we do”…. Which leads me back to “playing”. Learning to play an instrument is learning to speak with the instrument…and this has nothing to do with speed, chops or the inevitable “wank-a-thonics”. I know quite a few folks who can “get around” on an instrument (usually a guitar…), yet few who can actually “play”; who can speak thru their instrument and actually have something to say (and, BTW, Ted, you can play....) What good is looping a sound if you have nothing to say with it? >From all of this we share some common goals. We want to be heard. We want the process, the techniques and technologies, to be recognized, and we want those using these techniques and technologies to be recognized. We want new and improved hardware and software…we want new toys! (which, when you think about it is coming about—perhaps not to the configuration of everyone’s “dream looper”—and the introduction of several new looping devices in the past year or so MAY have come about, at least in part, do to the open discussions of this list…and likely as well due to some of these “LoopFests”). I play solo bass by default. I never wanted to do that. I used solo bass playing as a way of learning more about music vis-à-vis my instrument (I found that I could play basslines with a deeper groove and conviction if I new the melody very well, if I understood the functions of the harmony and why the rhythm worked…so I learned to play all of these things). Looping came as an extension of this and grew into something which is an integral part of my own music-making. Yet, I try for it not to be the main focus, for the music itself is the focus. Playing solo with loops is a difficult bit; it is difficult for the “magic” to happen. For me, music really happens in the dialogue between the players. And it is precisely this “private conversation”, to which we make the audience privy to, which the audience finds to enticing. It is hard to do this as a solo player. I find one thing very mono-dimensional at “loop-shows”: the plethora of solo acts. I would really like to see folks using looping in ensembles (and not ensembles where everybody is looping—especially not all at the same time!), but in ensembles where music is being made and looping is an integral part of that process. In all the “looping Festivals” I have performed at I have tried to instigate such events. At Y2K5, Behrnard Wagner and myself performed an impromptu looping duet (without sync) that came off quite well. Ok…so enough of my babbling now. I guess that I too missed the looper’s pow-wow at NAMM this year…but only because I could neither drive nor walk. For what it is worth, Ted Killian is on of my 5 favorite doofus guitarists of all time……. Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 07:10:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75B093BED5; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.175.105.254] X-Originating-Email: [mhayungs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhayungs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001101c620b0$835cfc80$6601a8c0@zuma> From: "michael hayungs" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:10:07 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2006 07:10:07.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[350AAFA0:01C620B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Steve, thanks for the invite to be a beta tester. I'd like to be a tester but I'm on a MAC but maybe I can load it into my wifes Windows machine. Anyway, does your software allow the user to have more control over the loops, like setting the BPM? I noticed that variable could be changed in the XML files. >From: "Steve Mark" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available >Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:36:31 -0800 > >That would be great, thanks. The app is modular, in fact I'm hoping to get >some RC-50 spec's to support that. > >Steve > > > _____ > >From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] >Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:30 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available > > > >Just midi. I'll inquire the designer about what info is available via >sysex. >I'm sure the loop data is _not_ available via midi but there may be other >data available. > > > > > _____ > > >From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:27 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available > > > >Does the Lexicon JamMan have any sort of PC interface (card, usb, serial, >etc.)? > > > > > _____ > > >From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] >Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:32 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: JamMan Software Available > >You may want to specify that software as supporting the Digitech JamMan >since there is also a Lexicon JamMan. Of course, I would love to see >support >for the Lexicon JamMan as well! > > > > > _____ > > >From: Steve Mark [mailto:steve@otms.com] >Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:20 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: JamMan Software Available > > > >I'd like to announce the availability of new JamMan loop management >software. We are looking for beta testers during our initial trial period. >Come check it out and help us make it everything it can be. > >We are still working on the site so please excuse the mess, it will be >upgraded soon. We felt that it was important to make the software available >as soon as we could so that we could get it into your hands. > >Come check it out at: >http://www.LooperTools.com. Click on the beta link and you'll be on your >way >in no time. > >Steve Mark >LooperTools > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 07:12:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2B13BECC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Loop Video from Dosh Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:12:46 +0100 Message-ID: <009801c620b5$949c79d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgs0Y3y/14ZGa4TLaUE7vdgISucgAAgiPQ In-Reply-To: <042001c62097$4835e540$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:12:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Found this loop video on a music blog... > http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov wonderful! there was a short sequence after he played drums when he modified the drum loop and added some digital glitch. Any idea how he did that? Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 07:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DC143BEDC; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=m4S52Bza5UB4r5wfqDpdC65qXYjdS870r+j/Er2wb3L99BlP9EJZPTKf/g9wGBoWSmi2WXKWRrDcd9c8wFoWn67LDObkyIUbL0WgoEqvH3bcOmDLT8EhMnIUL7Gs6o62A+4NK0/N/P4S00NDa8BR8ndoPadjldVh/+N/hnG01Fw= ; Message-ID: <004101c620b6$a1b10ef0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060123234045.20469.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:20:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <1s0gfB.A.1nF.3Ud1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:20:23 +0000 (UTC) There is more info here: http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2561 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" > wow,looks like a new MPC1000 is out,(at least > colorwise) i wonder what the new goodies are??? > nothing on Akais website yet > Luis > ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! 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Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 09:21:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35E7E3BEC5; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: looking for bell samples Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00a801c620c7$85e27770$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgx4U7wZnIMEPZRTiQUdUBY4w/1w== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:21:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for good quality samples of meditation bells. Oh yes, and I wonder if there are sample CDs of gamelan orchestras. I'm sure there must be something somewhere. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 12:07:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD3533BECA; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: MPC 1000 OS2 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:07:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <004101c620b6$a1b10ef0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 thread-index: AcYgtqTwDtJY1cckSvO3c0PVotsi2gAJ6GUg Message-Id: <20060124120717.E88F03BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Check the MPC forums. Somebody posted loads of videos about the new OS. http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=38069 Julien Ps to Luis: please post with the right subject name, it makes it easier to trace messages in the archives :) ____________________________ There is more info here: http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2561 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" > wow,looks like a new MPC1000 is out,(at least > colorwise) i wonder what the new goodies are??? > nothing on Akais website yet > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 13:15:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8765C3BEC7; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <045f01c620e8$39613050$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <009801c620b5$949c79d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Loop Video from Dosh Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:15:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 452, in=207415, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8TsJcD.A.7cC.qhi1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Not sure how he managed the glitch, but I bet he would respond to email if someone were to send him a note. I'm just imagining what a similar video of some of my loop performances would look like....probably at least 10 tiny little video windows running all at the same time...like the vision of a fly.....fly.....did I say insects? Anyone recall the t-shirt I was wearing at Y2K5? :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: RE: Loop Video from Dosh >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Found this loop video on a music blog... >> http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov > > > wonderful! > > there was a short sequence after he played drums when he modified the drum > loop and added some digital glitch. Any idea how he did that? > > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 14:37:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02653BEC7; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Joshua Morin" To: Subject: RE: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:37:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C620C9.D60ED750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYgjU+DGUDBUaYXT86OAlBvomn1GgADy5WQABXNEUA= In-Reply-To: <20060124041350.DC17C3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-Id: <20060124143723.XJXH25777.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> Resent-Message-ID: <68wGg.A.uMF.muj1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:37:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C620C9.D60ED750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you tell me why? Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com _____ From: mrweasel [mailto:mrweasel@eircom.net] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan Go for a Boss RC50 Way better _____ From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com] Sent: 24 January 2006 02:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan Sorry about the repost but I didn't specify that it is a Digitech JamMan (I read another post and I guess that there is a Lexicon JamMan.?) Hi I was just looking for some suggestions. I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I would ever want to do this is debatable. I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my loops. one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? Maybe I should revert to the RC 20? Any suggestions are appreciated. Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Original Acoustic Rock Music www.joshuamorin.com ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C620C9.D60ED750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you tell me = why?

 

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=
Original Acoustic Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com<= /font>

From: = mrweasel [mailto:mrweasel@eircom.net]
Sent: Monday, January 23, = 2006 11:14 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: HELP PLEASE: = RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan

 

Go for a Boss = RC50

Way = better

 

From: Joshua Morin [mailto:joshua@joshuamorin.com]
Sent: 24 January 2006 = 02:25
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: HELP PLEASE: RC = 20XL and Digitech JamMan

Sorry about the repost but I didn’t specify = that it is a Digitech JamMan (I read another post and I guess that there is a = Lexicon JamMan…?)

 

Hi I was just looking for some = suggestions…

 

I recently purchased a BOSS RC 20XL and then = exchanged it for a Jamman. The reason I exchanged it was because I liked the fact = that the jamman could be upgraded and could transfer loops via usb. Whether I = would ever want to do this is debatable…

 

I am happy with the Jamman with one problem. I often = hear clipping (almost like a click where the sound cuts) between my = loops… one thing that the RC 20 was very good at was that it would sort out the end = of my phrases and I would never have this problem. Is there anyone out there = who can help me sort this problem out with my Jamman or is it simply that the RC = 20 is a better unit save the upgradeable features? Maybe I should revert to = the RC 20?

 

Any suggestions are = appreciated…

Joshua = Morin
Artist/Songwriter=
Original Acoustic Rock Music
www.joshuamorin.com<= /span>

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C620C9.D60ED750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 14:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2833BECF; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tNCwPGPMx7jhdmy88fucYYswaBskD8EhpV1Lw2ho40azaz2gQcyY82ouTF2Y5nY5rsSo1BGDs8PhmAY01Jx5kf/oWTq6n0wHYewjmdJF+KybOykTuGEFJQa+0oAnI2lIEazGld8weE+YFHRaVQGPtpiEzlV9Q9cDn0AzcwHltgs= ; Message-ID: <20060124144641.10071.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: MPC 1000 OS2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060124120717.E88F03BEB2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:46:43 +0000 (UTC) thanx man sorry forgot the subject name! cheers Luis --- mrweasel wrote: > Check the MPC forums. Somebody posted loads of > videos about the new OS. > > http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=38069 > > Julien > > Ps to Luis: please post with the right subject name, > it makes it easier to > trace messages in the archives :) > > ____________________________ > > There is more info here: > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2561 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > > > wow,looks like a new MPC1000 is out,(at least > > colorwise) i wonder what the new goodies are??? > > nothing on Akais website yet > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 15:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1551F3BED5; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ukraj9uMlLaKmC/GIsCsitFxlKZwvfzDKN6chP5biS2vxlzp4KzCTpR9kHjuh0s6x4Juo2NvBNXPNXeLTsU4vC1npGoZhVEWhr2mtafP49dvsGsnlib7oMco4roIw/TYObQYeUQIml384dHRvKRbHrq0pT1BoVCLCcGhLws3Xcg= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770601240711w2053aeb6n67934834a3ae8d6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:11:19 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for bell samples In-Reply-To: <00a801c620c7$85e27770$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15898_25103471.1138115479774" References: <00a801c620c7$85e27770$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:11:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15898_25103471.1138115479774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline If you search the freesound project (http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/), you'll find a few decent gamelan samples. Probably won't satisfy all of your needs= , but it's something you can get your hands on right away. I used one to grea= t effect in a recent tune. -Chris www.chrisbellexperience.com On 1/24/06, Michael Peters wrote: > > I'm looking for good quality samples of meditation bells. > > Oh yes, and I wonder if there are sample CDs of gamelan orchestras. I'm > sure > there must be something somewhere. > > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > > ------=_Part_15898_25103471.1138115479774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
If you search the freesound project (http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/), you'll find a few decent gamel= an samples. Probably won't satisfy all of your needs, but it's something yo= u can get your hands on right away. I used one to great effect in a recent = tune.
 
-Chris
On 1/24/06, = Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de&g= t; wrote:
I'm looking for good quality sam= ples of meditation bells.

Oh yes, and I wonder if there are sample C= Ds of gamelan orchestras. I'm sure
there must be something somewhere.

-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de



------=_Part_15898_25103471.1138115479774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 17:04:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE0B53BECF; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:05:10 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: CD Spam: The Sandbox In-reply-to: <20060123224713.91112.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c62108$55efc630$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've just put out my first CD with The Sandbox, my improvisational duo with lots of loops. You can listen to samples and, of course, buy if you like, at http://cdbaby.com/cd/sandbox. Thanks, Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 17:20:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784673BEDF; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gench@pop.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Thomas Dimuzio Subject: Re: samplers loopers and midi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Oops, I'm sorry. I was reading your message and accidently hit send - web site was in my signature (shameless promotion). I'm using a Rocktron All Access MIDI pedal which is far from compact. The Tech 21 MM1 has a tiny footprint, but seems to be limited to MIDI program change messages. Good luck honing your rig! >were you just showing me your website or did you have a suggestion? > >>From: Thomas Dimuzio >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: samplers loopers and midi >>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:08:40 -0800 >> >>>I don't know if this has already been discussed but for the >>>longest time I've been in search for a looping/sampler set-up >>>similar to the new Boss RC-50 but slightly different. Basically >>>i'd like to take a sampler device similar to the Roland SP-404 >>>(midi syncable) and trigger samples on it from a midi foot pedal, >>>like that Behringer one but smaller. Does anyone know of a more >>>compact midi foot pedal that sends midi note on/off signals? >>>Basically I'd like to designate one pedal to one sample pad on the >>>SP-404 or similar unit. Sounds like the RC-50 might be the easiest >>>option, anyone know when it's coming out in the US? >> >>-- >> >>:: :: thomas dimuzio / gench music >>:: :: http://www.gench.com From rutgers123@aultinc.com Tue Jan 24 17:39:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from host209-182.pool873.interbusiness.it (host209-182.pool873.interbusiness.it [87.3.182.209]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 27A1C3BEC1; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.8 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:38:51 -0600 Message-ID: <259u954y.0953012@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:38:51 -0600 From: "Mamie Petersen" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: cDVU3j1HrO8szIlZ4Vqo0Easoqps8lCqsD9VJQz7jtOoWdRj1QBoR0HHBWgwryHz== X-Load: 24% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, rs-delight@loopers-delight.com, s-delight@loopers-delight.com, uest@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ratess approved Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_24072738==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_24072738==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e5.4bb6d83d.3107d8dd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:24:20 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1e5.4bb6d83d.3107d8dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 1/24/06 2:04:47 AM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > I find one thing very mono-dimensional at > =E2=80=9Cloop-shows=E2=80=9D: the plethora of solo acts.=C2=A0 I would rea= lly like to see folks > using looping in ensembles (and not ensembles where everybody is > looping=E2=80=94especially not all at the same time!), but in ensembles wh= ere music > is being made and looping is an integral part of that process >=20 LOOPSTOCK lll in LOS OSOS.....although we were not loved by the natives this= =20 was one of my favorite get togethers.....i would much rather play with other= s=20 than solo anyday, with or without looping.....mic --part1_1e5.4bb6d83d.3107d8dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
In a message dated 1/24/06 2:04:47 AM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:


I find one thing very= mono-dimensional at
=E2=80=9Cloop-shows=E2=80=9D: the plethora of solo acts.=C2=A0 I would reall= y like to see folks
using looping in ensembles (and not ensembles where everybody is
looping=E2=80=94especially not all at the same time!), but in ensembles wher= e music
is being made and looping is an integral part of that process


LOOPSTOCK lll in LOS OSOS.....although we were not loved by the natives this= was one of my favorite get togethers.....i would much rather play with othe= rs than solo anyday, with or without looping.....mic
 --part1_1e5.4bb6d83d.3107d8dd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 19:29:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455B43BEDF; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5VOd6R/lOK30me/SVlz27fH8gIB6IN+43ihKyKU/U9DqtX08UeyQmMPI1DLAjgxXuN8cTvka3IRNnlBU+KEoFPvZzchttCKDNMfcwaVInunpKArK3M0yeiFJu4EzRXlxG6iUWZY3iLuERjiip+3rcELOR9C7J5g9WwtjA+wsb6Q= ; Message-ID: <20060124192932.20993.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: looking for bell samples To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770601240711w2053aeb6n67934834a3ae8d6c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:29:35 +0000 (UTC) I like the eastwest sample libraries, check them out at http://www.soundsonline.com/ they've got all kinds... Mark --- Christopher Bell wrote: > If you search the freesound project > (http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/), you'll > find a few decent gamelan samples. Probably won't > satisfy all of your needs, > but it's something you can get your hands on right > away. I used one to great > effect in a recent tune. > > -Chris > www.chrisbellexperience.com > > > On 1/24/06, Michael Peters wrote: > > > > I'm looking for good quality samples of meditation > bells. > > > > Oh yes, and I wonder if there are sample CDs of > gamelan orchestras. I'm > > sure > > there must be something somewhere. > > > > -Michael > > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 19:43:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF5BF3BED2; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23229084.1138131779868.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:42:59 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: b p t Reply-To: b p t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:43:01 +0000 (UTC) I would recommend checking out Black Dice, if your ears can take it. THey are definitely a looping ensemble, though I doubt they would ever refer to themselves that way. B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 19:47:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB5673BEE4; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <058c01c6211f$046c5870$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000001c62108$55efc630$0202a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: CD Spam: The Sandbox Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:47:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 115, in=69475, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Nice work, Warren. There is a sense of genuine "rawness" about this that I find appealing, which gives it a feel of sincerity and human intentionality that often accompanies classical or traditional experimental and free-improvisational performances. I'm not sure what else you could do to make it sound more real, except by adding an ambient mic and caputuring your breathing!! :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: CD Spam: The Sandbox > Hi, > > I've just put out my first CD with The Sandbox, my improvisational duo > with > lots of loops. You can listen to samples and, of course, buy if you like, > at > http://cdbaby.com/cd/sandbox. > > Thanks, > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 21:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B353BEB3; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:01:49 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: CD Spam: The Sandbox In-reply-to: <058c01c6211f$046c5870$6cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009401c62129$64a8fd10$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Kris. I appreciate the feedback. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: CD Spam: The Sandbox > > > Nice work, Warren. There is a sense of genuine "rawness" > about this that I > find appealing, which gives it a feel of sincerity and human > intentionality > that often accompanies classical or traditional experimental and > free-improvisational performances. I'm not sure what else you > could do to > make it sound more real, except by adding an ambient mic and > caputuring your > breathing!! :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Sirota" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:05 AM > Subject: CD Spam: The Sandbox > > > > Hi, > > > > I've just put out my first CD with The Sandbox, my > improvisational duo > > with > > lots of loops. You can listen to samples and, of course, > buy if you like, > > at > > http://cdbaby.com/cd/sandbox. > > > > Thanks, > > Warren > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 22:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0DC3BEC1; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:49:49 +0100 Message-Id: <344282873@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: RPGfreak@web.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Robert Fripp's Playing Style/Technique Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi, since there are many people here familiar with Fripp I suppose, some questions about his playing style: His posture seems very special, what's the trick behind his left hand and right hand, especially his picking and thumb thing. And why does he always use triangular picks? And isn't the New Standard Tuning uncomfortable when playing scales? Sorry for those questions, but I find his playing fascinating and want to learn about it. Thanks, Simon ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 24 23:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56DB23BED2; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <344282873@web.de> References: <344282873@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <156ee833a7d45b88d25dff6ede7f5d7a@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Robert Fripp's Playing Style/Technique Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:26:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:23 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 24, 2006, at 4:49 PM, RPGfreak@web.de wrote: > since there are many people here familiar with Fripp I suppose, some > questions about his playing style: > His posture seems very special, what's the trick behind his left hand > and right hand, especially his picking and thumb thing. And why does > he always use triangular picks? And isn't the New Standard Tuning > uncomfortable when playing scales? > Sorry for those questions, but I find his playing fascinating and want > to learn about it. you should enroll in Guitar Craft. barring that, read this: http://www.erictamm.com/tammfripp.html --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 03:36:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433FF3BED2; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Looperlative demo online... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:35:51 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo for SonicState.com - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 first half is me playing and talking about the box, second half is the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. Much fun. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 04:03:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 894153BEC5; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008101c62164$48a3d320$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:03:27 +0000 (UTC) This thing is pricey. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Looperlative demo online... > Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo for > SonicState.com - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 > > first half is me playing and talking about the box, second half is > the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. > > Much fun. :o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 04:12:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE7A3BEDB; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative demo online... Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:12:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYhZFJtwrTuuV3lQZOwz3lKsxfkTwAAMs2w In-Reply-To: <008101c62164$48a3d320$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Message-Id: <20060125041132.HTMD6244.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@adelphia.net] thinks This thing is pricey. --->But I don't agree, although it is an investment. I have spent that much on loopers--admittedly not all at once. It sure looks like fun! Congrats to all and good luck! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 04:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764813BED9; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <008101c62164$48a3d320$68a6eb44@BlackDell> References: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> <008101c62164$48a3d320$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:28:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <8bKme.A.H8C.25v1DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:28:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 24, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Paul wrote: > This thing is pricey. how much are 2 EDPs? 2 PCM-80s? 2 Repeaters? an H8000? if this thing does what he says it does, despite the fact that i would have done some things differently, it delivers more than anything else for the money. if it works as advertised, if bob continues to communicate with his prospective and existing customer base, and as long as he will fix things under warranty in a timely fashion he's got a winner. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 04:40:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA7FA3BEC7; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.1a8e5ee3.31085b24@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:40:04 EST Subject: Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON THE STATE OF THE LOOP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f7.1a8e5ee3.31085b24_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:40:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1f7.1a8e5ee3.31085b24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again, Hmmmmm, I just thought I'd make a little public statement here.=20 In my email that started this whole dang thread it was never my intentiion t= o=20 be disrespectful to anyone here -- particularly my good amigo Rick Walker --= =20 when I said the we loopers perhaps need to "get over ourselves." I was=20 thinking as much about myself and musing (depressingly) about my own loopy t= endency=20 to navel-gaze and miss out on other important implications of what's happeni= ng=20 -- in other words: to grow.=20 I am gratified to hear that many of you feel the same way . . . or near=20 enough to it . . . it sounds like. I loved Loopstock. I've loved all of the Y2Kx Loop Fests I've had the=20 pleasure to participate in and be a rabid fan audient at. And, furthermore,=20= I=20 appreciate and respect the heck out of Rick Walker for all he means and all=20= he has=20 done for this community and in his tireless promotion of looping. If there i= s a=20 Mt Rushmore for looping, in my opinion, Rick's face ought to be on it. God bless him! Along with Kim Flint, Rick is one of the true believers, a=20 bonafide one-man missionary organization of looping. I never meant to fault=20= him=20 (or anybody else) in his efforts in promoting what we do. I'm getting the aw= ful=20 feeling as I read some of the supportive replies to my original post that=20 (among some) it might be being taken in that vein somehow -- a thought that=20= I=20 find truly appalling.=20 I hope the fact that Rick himself has been silent on this thread so far has=20 only been an indication of his post-NAMM fatigue and not some misunderstandi= ng=20 of my intent. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from th= e=20 future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1f7.1a8e5ee3.31085b24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again,

Hmmmmm, I just thought I'd make a little public statement here.

In my email that started this whole dang thread it was never my intentiion t= o be disrespectful to anyone here -- particularly my good amigo Rick Walker=20= -- when I said the we loopers perhaps need to "get over ourselves." I was th= inking as much about myself and musing (depressingly) about my own loopy ten= dency to navel-gaze and miss out on other important implications of what's h= appening -- in other words: to grow.

I am gratified to hear that many of you feel the same way . . . or near enou= gh to it . . . it sounds like.

I loved Loopstock. I've loved all of the Y2Kx Loop Fests I've had the pleasu= re to participate in and be a rabid fan audient at. And, furthermore, I appr= eciate and respect the heck out of Rick Walker for all he means and all he h= as done for this community and in his tireless promotion of looping. If ther= e is a Mt Rushmore for looping, in my opinion, Rick's face ought to be on it= .

God bless him! Along with Kim Flint, Rick is one of the true believers, a bo= nafide one-man missionary organization of looping. I never meant to fault hi= m (or anybody else) in his efforts in promoting what we do. I'm getting the=20= awful feeling as I read some of the supportive replies to my original post t= hat (among some) it might be being taken in that vein somehow -- a thought t= hat I find truly appalling.

I hope the fact that Rick himself has been silent on this thread so far has=20= only been an indication of his post-NAMM fatigue and not some misunderstandi= ng of my intent.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from= the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1f7.1a8e5ee3.31085b24_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 05:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E17F3BECC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP and StylusRMX Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:36:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c62171$53fd7b60$6500a8c0@presto> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYffVmGfsy0eD53T6C2J/K5PzvCrAB83UEg In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060122095259.047e1248@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:36:40 +0000 (UTC) So, if StartSong commands just start the sequencer, and the following frequncies of the midi clock determines the tempo- with Sonar as slave, the tempo should change as it receives new tempo information as I mess with the loop, no? I am trying to figure out new ways to work with my EDP, and getting a handle on the sequencer/EDP relationship is a huge part. I got the 'EDP as Slave' thing figured out, but acting as the master has been a bit difficult. I have tried so far in Tracktion as well as Sonar. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > >Does StartSong contain tempo > >info, or does it just, um, start the sequencer? > > MIDI StartSong command means "start the sequencer at the next > MIDI clock command". It doesn't have any tempo info. Tempo is > then defined by the frequency of the following MIDI clock commands. > > You might also find the various ReAlign and Tempo type > commands in LoopIV interesting. Many of them were designed > just for working with sequencers like you are doing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 05:38:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45B513BEDB; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yn3SHbiOkjBZC28Pq0ixIk/L6KZc7WHPJijnK/fscprLj4l2LfcsJORHPNEjKJdGhUz9hDlfD6yF6RHDEb6XAjgMcunOyBJG19S8vitEOLKCjckUtcQKipemEN63kXrSXxEvVSURF2207ODjSA6MDmRe7kb9GRqQoSPEUANsoCM= ; Message-ID: <20060125053852.15191.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:38:54 +0000 (UTC) i am floored by it! i think it is time to say goodbye to my dear repeater EDP,well not yet... --- Steve Lawson wrote: > Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo > for > SonicState.com - > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 > > first half is me playing and talking about the box, > second half is > the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. > > Much fun. :o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 05:47:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEC823BEDF; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D710EC.2050201@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:47:24 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... References: <20060125053852.15191.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060125053852.15191.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Bob Amstadt - you are my hero. I believe that a time is quickly approaching, when I'll be willing to say: For Sale: (2) Gibson EDP's with Loop IV and maxed RAM (192 seconds). Perfect working condition, and only minor rack rash. Soon. Very soon. If someone is interested and wants to push me along, you're welcome to contact me offlist. Dig Luis Angulo wrote: >i am floored by it! i think it is time to say goodbye >to my dear repeater >EDP,well not yet... > >--- Steve Lawson wrote: > > > >>Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo >>for >>SonicState.com - >> >> >> >http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 > > >>first half is me playing and talking about the box, >>second half is >>the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. >> >>Much fun. :o) >> >>Steve >>www.stevelawson.net - site >>www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop >>http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >www.luis-angulo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 06:24:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14E03BECA; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tim Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Random Tone/Texture Generators Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:24:10 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c62177$f493a760$0501a8c0@trill> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcYgr8/AfApDs3eOQDecYJP3tCtHigAx70FA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <43D5BC38.6000905@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Here's another bouncy thing like gbloink. It's nowhere near as nice, but it *is* a VST plugin, which may make it more useful in some scenarios: http://www.upland.no/software.html ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 06:44:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5C53BEC5; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fguhZ/B8nzek1F1oImivkZGYdSDjarkZ7cGoXwhFR5QEzVAm99KTDaRSTfovx/XPfC8Vrq0QbwsKi1Uana/LLYmiKlzkVo/Vg7nBjQIQ56D+BTk4Vf8dwijl0E5+rQztSEZYtuQBGhOgLw1mgW1tBJvDUDrTySQ3mq4wj0CwJXE= ; Message-ID: <20060125064403.86154.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-501514004-1138171443=:85939" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:44:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-501514004-1138171443=:85939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit good work. a multi stringed bass seems to be very versitile for soundscapes.can you only get e-bow action on a few strings.i can oly get the b's to ring upon command on my 12 strings,well 11 strings to be exact(no high g).nice stuff. scary. Steve Lawson wrote: Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo for SonicState.com - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 first half is me playing and talking about the box, second half is the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. Much fun. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-501514004-1138171443=:85939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
good work. a multi stringed bass seems to be very versitile for soundscapes.can you only get e-bow action on a few strings.i can oly get the b's to ring upon command on my 12 strings,well 11 strings to be exact(no high g).nice stuff.
                 scary.

Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> wrote:
Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo for
SonicState.com - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648

first half is me playing and talking about the box, second half is
the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does.

Much fun. :o)

Steve
www.stevelawson.net - site
www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop
http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog




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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-501514004-1138171443=:85939-- From brooks@hkdallas.com Wed Jan 25 09:20:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 210-210-63-91.lan.sify.net (210-210-63-91.lan.sify.net [210.210.63.91]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 08D343BEC2; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.0 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:20:44 -0600 Message-ID: <292w540l.9818874@msn.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:20:44 -0600 From: "Valarie Monroe" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: 2TAeZUoEopCCIiqsjrDkhWx9nZ5BktbV8u1dScm2wUPMubDOU61xsqhp2eot9meL== X-Load: 36% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, rs-delight@loopers-delight.com, s-delight@loopers-delight.com, uest@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re-finance at the lowestt ratess Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_09496520==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_09496520==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8105F7B3-4872-4891-9EBC-D3A7FE3B93F7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: CD Spam: The Sandbox Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:02:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_qlPhB.A.d3E.ty01DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:02:22 +0000 (UTC) On 24 jan 2006, at 18.05, Warren Sirota wrote: > I've just put out my first CD with The Sandbox, my improvisational > duo with > lots of loops. You can listen to samples Refreshing stuff to listen to! I just couldn't help wondering "what do these guys look like when the make these sounds?" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 10:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791D63BEE1; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Looping impro posted (solo flute/Mobius) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:20:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Playing a flute through my FireworX into M=F6bius laptop. Added a drum =20= loop afterwards. This is just a wild and unprepared improvisation, =20 but I like that annoying cut-up feel when matched with "Peaceful Pad" =20= stuff ;-) And also that the moods do imply a lot that never actually =20= happens. Often I find it difficult to play that way because I tend to =20= run into harmonic melodies too quickly (guess I need to "un-=20 musicianize myself ;-) http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam4mix.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 11:45:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9333BEDF; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0736B6AC-CBAD-489F-8287-34E28AA3E005@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:45:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:45:26 +0000 (UTC) my question is... is it midi addressable in the way that the repeater is? ( not that it HAS to be, i'm just curious...) can i use a keyboard or faders to manipulate/trigger loops once they are recorded? does it have a system for storing loops? does it respond to sysex? has anyone done any serious midi clocking with it? does it respond to MTC? is the half speed/double speed software based or clock based? sorry if these have been covered. i guess like many people, i'm interested in where the overlaps with EDP/repeater begin and end. On Jan 24, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo for > SonicState.com - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm? > newsid=2648 > > first half is me playing and talking about the box, second half is > the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. > > Much fun. :o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > > ric hordinski monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic 513.260.1043 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 12:43:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1E23BEDA; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b201c621ac$f6719c10$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Looping impro posted (solo flute/Mobius) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:43:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:43:58 +0000 (UTC) WOW ! It reminds me some Jon Hassel's recordings, with a lot of interesting and electronics sounds and manipulations. Very interesting, Per. Greetings Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Looping impro posted (solo flute/Mobius) Playing a flute through my FireworX into Möbius laptop. Added a drum loop afterwards. This is just a wild and unprepared improvisation, but I like that annoying cut-up feel when matched with "Peaceful Pad" stuff ;-) And also that the moods do imply a lot that never actually happens. Often I find it difficult to play that way because I tend to run into harmonic melodies too quickly (guess I need to "un- musicianize myself ;-) http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam4mix.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 14:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1FCE3BEE1; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 9:16:04 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Cc: Suit & Tie Guy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Well, how many EDPs, Repeaters, etc. have been sold? At $1500 a pop, it seems like it will have a limited audience. ---- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Paul wrote: > > This thing is pricey. > > how much are 2 EDPs? 2 PCM-80s? 2 Repeaters? an H8000? > > if this thing does what he says it does, despite the fact that i would > have done some things differently, it delivers more than anything else > for the money. > > if it works as advertised, if bob continues to communicate with his > prospective and existing customer base, and as long as he will fix > things under warranty in a timely fashion he's got a winner. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 14:37:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF4C3BEDB; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RBMqpW71bA9GSeAe87EhkGY3PcVRJ4kvxYrLVnlPjuT1qzHYBmgLNJLXk8FIZvfwrCR620yStRr3RBNQxcODRtJ8U5Ny3btaPBhOEMAXBnDZWrzaRu+yrDexDUtgTTn0au3RWYaTJN1WLNorFMYC2gonmZVw3lHdfwLV5Xbso1A= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:37:19 -0500 From: Tony Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9742_11113727.1138199839012" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:37:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9742_11113727.1138199839012 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I checked through the archives and I can't find it in the manual, can anyon= e tell me if there is a program and control change midi command that will invoke the copy function on a repeater? Thanks, Tony ------=_Part_9742_11113727.1138199839012 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I checked through the archives and I can't find it in the manual, can anyone tell me if there is a program and control change midi command that will invoke the copy function on a repeater? 


Thanks,

Tony

------=_Part_9742_11113727.1138199839012-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 15:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 792B63BEF0; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: repeater question Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:12:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C621C1.B6839800" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYhvNnm+1aQeIh1T3aSc6IfwfJeewABMgHA In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060125151213.C6E3F3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:12:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C621C1.B6839800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there is. Manual is available on www.electrixpro.com _____ From: Tony Hughes [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com] Sent: 25 January 2006 14:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: repeater question I checked through the archives and I can't find it in the manual, can anyone tell me if there is a program and control change midi command that will invoke the copy function on a repeater? Thanks, Tony ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C621C1.B6839800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=20 think there is.
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From: Tony Hughes = [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com]=20
Sent: 25 January 2006 14:37
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Subject: repeater=20 question

I checked through the archives and I can't find it in the = manual, can=20 anyone tell me if there is a program and control change midi command = that will=20 invoke the copy function on a repeater? 


Thanks,=20

Tony

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C621C1.B6839800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 15:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9023BEE8; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:25:20 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7cJExC.A.t2G.gh51DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >Sarcasm, sarcasm. Yes, yes, I saw the pix. I meant -- how did it >come out? > Of a box? >How does it sound? > I'll bet it sounds like what ever you plug it into. It IS a midi controller, right? >How does it manipulate??!?!? > With midi? You blow into it and play the keys with your fingers. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 15:54:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFC03BEEE; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lTJjx8KerM2lE+8eoRNMChBu2fVtr476TyQ0ZT3/fNN7xAI+/V020H4sxx6oHtphc1OnUEoF15ARqX+yaFjBmRdX/Y0sbiO8LoW0pUq2g7XQ/Qu7qEvXOo9LT7kkqy/zR2FhQdyDOHe4YNrlbLPW3LLkmCwUJJnHSKKoIXLGj8M= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601250747y6d6611d3p48fdd85fa1681e60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:47:49 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... In-Reply-To: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:54:32 +0000 (UTC) > At $1500 a pop, it seems like it will have a limited audience. Looks really cool to me. It would be nice if it had the independent time/pitch mangling capabilities of the repeater, but for what it does $1500 isn't out of line. I really hope Bob is successful with this. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 16:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2403BEF0; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=umMJyCVoR1+toD7xCyEJVfg9xnO335Q3YJm4+1Ywc57U87RbCYNJLtafJ4AdFKOd/8KC7dMbziJPSoNQitjEBegKXGsH8tOzEO99uq+UMdti++p2e6uGL30m5Orou1VAkhYUVcBf4Th7Z1kOSqLQVMbSbMTT/CYORgK4iqSUw1E= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:10:18 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:10:21 +0000 (UTC) This from a guy who can't even afford a whole tuning and had to settle for a micro! ;-) On 1/25/06, David Beardsley wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >Sarcasm, sarcasm. Yes, yes, I saw the pix. I meant -- how did it > >come out? > > > Of a box? > > >How does it sound? > > > I'll bet it sounds like what ever you plug it into. It IS a midi > controller, right? Well, it is, but this one has an internal synth built into the unit itself! so I really am curious as to how it sounds.... > > > >How does it manipulate??!?!? > > > > With midi? You blow into it and play the keys with your fingers. > > > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 16:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6EB3BEF4; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new EH looper pic from Namm Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:25:13 +0000 (UTC) from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/ http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 16:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 403E83BEE1; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D7AC5C.8050000@biink.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:50:36 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Legion wrote: >from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/ > >http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg > > Oh! Looping gear porn....and interesting too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 17:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D775B3BEE0; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:06:42 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Ritchford Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >This from a guy who can't even afford a whole tuning and had to settle >for a micro! ;-) > > Very funny. :-D Afford??? All that shit cost quite a bit - I had no problems paying for it. I even own a car. And there's three Strats waiting for me to decide on the specs on the necks. I know what to use for a tuning, but can't make up my mind the neck profile and frets. Have you been to the return of the son of Chama in SI yet? It's closer than the lower east side for me, but I can't get my act together to vist. >>>How does it sound? >>> >>> >>> >>I'll bet it sounds like what ever you plug it into. It IS a midi >>controller, right? >> >> > >Well, it is, but this one has an internal synth built into the unit >itself! so I really am curious as to how it sounds.... > Ah...I see what you're getting at. Thanks. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 17:08:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 217153BEF6; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.47.109] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060125151213.C6E3F3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater question Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:08:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 17:08:29.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6A3CFD0:01C621D1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:08:33 +0000 (UTC) It does sound great, but the $1500 will *definitely* keep non-high-income loopers like myself out of the picture. Heck, I'm still working on a single $200 Lexicon Jamman purchased when it first came out. The point of diminishing returns for me really kicks in aronud the $500 mark. Oh well. >From: "mrweasel" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: repeater question >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:12:09 -0000 > >I think there is. >Manual is available on www.electrixpro.com > > _____ > >From: Tony Hughes [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com] >Sent: 25 January 2006 14:37 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: repeater question > > >I checked through the archives and I can't find it in the manual, can >anyone >tell me if there is a program and control change midi command that will >invoke the copy function on a repeater? > > >Thanks, > >Tony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 17:18:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65D303BEF7; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:34 -0600 To: db@biink.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) > > And there's three Strats waiting for me to decide on the specs on > the necks. > I know what to use for a tuning, but can't make up my mind the neck > profile > and frets. Are you buying a Masterbuilt? (or...gasp...three Masterbuilts?) If so, who's your builder going to be and what dealer are you going through? I got a Masterbuilt a year or so ago, and it's an amazing guitar. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 17:48:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BD4D3BEF0; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D7B9FA.1050607@biink.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:48:42 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Shirkey , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: microtonal gtrs (was Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth) References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> >> And there's three Strats waiting for me to decide on the specs on >> the necks. >> I know what to use for a tuning, but can't make up my mind the neck >> profile >> and frets. > > > Are you buying a Masterbuilt? (or...gasp...three Masterbuilts?) If > so, who's your builder going to be and what dealer are you going > through? I got a Masterbuilt a year or so ago, and it's an amazing > guitar. > > Jeff > That would be nice, but the Strats in waiting are a pair of Strat Plus and maybe a Roland ready. One of the Strats is a '93 with DiMarzio Virtual Vintage p/ups. The other one is I think is a '99 or 2000 w/Texas Specials that might get changed to Virtual Vintage. I could always swap the necks off to nicer bodies, I'll see how this works out. Builder? I was looking at local NY/NJ guys, but I have a lead on someone in California who can deal with the microtonal tuning issues. I haven't call him yet. What dealer am I going through? I don't. I deal with Luthiers on a 1/1 relationship. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 17:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAABC3BEF0; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aIhaQTR1U54R/0yQjW5ldLOmLJ588G08k2u0wRCh+rIkDrAopgMuBWSQGX4sk4DT7Jhkug/rIF2x1hjnvQIveGzhq5WLMEZWGinlNNhQZftGfxSv0NtKrRCjD1WIwiyTs+qXvwA2eb1c6IcZ9cr5IIDuNNXBjridfKYfGeVqtKk= ; Message-ID: <20060125175918.44316.qmail@web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re:Robert Fripp's Playing Style/Technique To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060125064410.ADC613BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_sMRnD.A.0uG.5x71DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:59:21 +0000 (UTC) In response to Simon, <> His posture is designed to "bring the guitar to the body, not the body to the guitar". The right hand technique is something he's refined over several decades to allow for minimum effort and maximum accuracy. << And why does he always use triangular picks?>> The triangular pick, especially considering the quality of the materials, makes sloppy playing even more evident. It also rewards clean playing. << And isn't the New Standard Tuning uncomfortable when playing scales?>> It's just as uncomfortable as playing scales on the cello, (similar string length and tuning). If you want comfort, stick with regular guitar tuning. And regular guitar picks for that matter. And get a good paying day job while you're at it. <> As Eric mentioned, enroll in a Guitar Craft course. :) Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 18:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D023BEFB; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: repeater question Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:11:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYh0fk8VvNWbwBbTVOCGQmcQoBONQACEXCw Message-Id: <20060125181106.D4DCD3BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:11:08 +0000 (UTC) I should mention that I have JamMan RAMs to bump it up to 32 seconds (contact me direct if interested in purchasing a RAM upgrade). That said, I reaaalllly want a looperlative! -----Original Message----- From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: repeater question It does sound great, but the $1500 will *definitely* keep non-high-income loopers like myself out of the picture. Heck, I'm still working on a single $200 Lexicon Jamman purchased when it first came out. The point of diminishing returns for me really kicks in aronud the $500 mark. Oh well. >From: "mrweasel" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: repeater question >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:12:09 -0000 > >I think there is. >Manual is available on www.electrixpro.com > > _____ > >From: Tony Hughes [mailto:hughes.tony@gmail.com] >Sent: 25 January 2006 14:37 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: repeater question > > >I checked through the archives and I can't find it in the manual, can >anyone >tell me if there is a program and control change midi command that will >invoke the copy function on a repeater? > > >Thanks, > >Tony > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 18:12:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87AC33BEFE; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43D7B9FA.1050607@biink.com> References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> <43D7B9FA.1050607@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: microtonal gtrs (was Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:09:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:12:47 +0000 (UTC) > > Builder? I was looking at local NY/NJ guys, but I have a lead on > someone in California > who can deal with the microtonal tuning issues. I haven't call him > yet. > > What dealer am I going through? I don't. I deal with Luthiers on a > 1/1 relationship. The reason I asked is because if you were buying a Masterbuilt, you'd choose a builder, go through a dealer to place the order, and so forth. and you'd still have a 1/1 relationship with your builder-- just fyi. But, you're not...so...never mind. :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 18:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 876993BEF4; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:17:20 EST Subject: Re: Looping impro posted (solo flute/Mobius) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_df.243920bf.31091ab0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_jgi-B.A.tiH.5C81DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:17:29 +0000 (UTC) --part1_df.243920bf.31091ab0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/06 5:20:23 AM, per@boysen.se writes: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam4mix.mp3 > very nice per!.....tanks.....m --part1_df.243920bf.31091ab0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/25/06 5:20:23 AM, per@boysen.se writes:


http://www.looproom.c= om/audio/mobjam4mix.mp3


very nice per!.....tanks.....m --part1_df.243920bf.31091ab0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 18:28:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4E13BEFE; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <25e.5b59cf6.31091d2e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:27:58 EST Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25e.5b59cf6.31091d2e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:28:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_25e.5b59cf6.31091d2e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/06 10:36:02 PM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 > > dang!.....just when i was going to give up looping in order to become a better folk guitar player (SOTL).....:).....muy impressive, i might have to learn midi.....tanks steve (wonderful at last to see you perform) and bob i wish you great success!.....wow-e-zow-e!.....mic --part1_25e.5b59cf6.31091d2e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/24/06 10:36:02 PM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes:


http://www.sonicstate= .com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3D2648



dang!.....just when i was going to give up looping in order to become a bett= er folk guitar player (SOTL).....:).....muy impressive, i might have to lear= n midi.....tanks steve (wonderful at last to see you perform) and bob i wish= you great success!.....wow-e-zow-e!.....mic --part1_25e.5b59cf6.31091d2e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:00:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4293BEDF; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> References: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:00:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:16 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > Well, how many EDPs, Repeaters, etc. have been sold? > > At $1500 a pop, it seems like it will have a limited audience. at $1500 a pop it doesn't need more than a limited audience. ever seen the price tag on a new Buchla system? that has a limited audience too. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:18:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760CF3BEEA; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:18:26 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Cc: Suit & Tie Guy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Well, people are always whining about Electrix. Guess they didn't sell enough product to make a go of it. A company needs to move product to stay in business and continue to "upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" via the ethernet connector on the unit. Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to pop for $1500? ---- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:16 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > Well, how many EDPs, Repeaters, etc. have been sold? > > > > At $1500 a pop, it seems like it will have a limited audience. > > at $1500 a pop it doesn't need more than a limited audience. > > ever seen the price tag on a new Buchla system? that has a limited > audience too. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:20:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8AF03BEF6; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VrCfMdiCdiRQnwGF/tZa8JU7clM6yOKqgm+Ql2ABNzC7AT3zyH5+FOrwguyi+Zk3A7nJ6tdzbijQf/Zw3JsDwInDvlXnWXyAoIoup+Rd68NE9mzWc07RRlvBnN0uraeOPai5Z7f/+FzXTF49sI+MITpSdIqO7bM5X5rAoBfP+sk= ; Message-ID: <20060125191958.11925.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:19:58 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1879749038-1138216798=:11192" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:19:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1879749038-1138216798=:11192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick road.visions of sugarplums ect... scary. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1879749038-1138216798=:11192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick road.visions of sugarplums ect...
                           scary.

Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1879749038-1138216798=:11192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:26:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261853BEEC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:26:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C621BB.592B2AC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20060125191958.11925.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYh5FZBO9g4G9cDRoOZGHSl6j0uxwAAHoGQ Message-Id: <20060125192657.75C373BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:26:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C621BB.592B2AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would expect for there to be the usual growing pains and learning curve involved in being an early adopter. I plan on holding on to my Repeater and ReJam until the smoke clears. Long term, the Looperlative should do everything these can do and more. _____ From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:20 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick road.visions of sugarplums ect... scary. _____ Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C621BB.592B2AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would expect for there to be the = usual growing pains and learning curve involved in being an early adopter. I = plan on holding on to my Repeater and ReJam until the smoke clears. Long term, = the Looperlative should do everything these can do and = more.

 

From: = daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January = 25, 2006 2:20 PM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: edp R.I.P = ...long live the looperlative

 

sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in town.jump on = the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick road.visions of sugarplums = ect...

           = ;            =     scary.

Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on = new and used cars.

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C621BB.592B2AC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6B03BEF4; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30295213.1138217240457.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:27:20 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Cc: daniel stevenson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:27:21 +0000 (UTC) If ayone has a mint condition EDP for sale for $500, let me know. :) ---- daniel stevenson wrote: > sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick road.visions of sugarplums ect... > scary. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. From IngridPena@highwaterestates.com Wed Jan 25 19:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from adf97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (adf97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.25.83.97]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D5113BEEC for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 5if@localhost by dImF.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:19:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Roxanne Frazier" Reply-To: "Roxanne Frazier" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Specials on mediclnes this week at Lazard's Pharrmacy Q7IldLYj7 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:15:11 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: IngridPena@highwaterestates.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--8QdWIzVxd9S8hBh" I9pb ----8QdWIzVxd9S8hBh Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IwS

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----8QdWIzVxd9S8hBh-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E89DD3BF05; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011901c621e6$adfc36e0$1cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <30295213.1138217240457.JavaMail.root@web23> Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:36:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=70355, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:36:50 +0000 (UTC) I have two. Don't tempt me, man!!! How about two EDPs, an EDP foot controller, and two Rocktron S12 1X12 guitar cabs for $1500? :) Just thinking on virtual paper here....that single space of stereo looping is amost worth it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "daniel stevenson" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative > If ayone has a mint condition EDP for sale for $500, let me know. :) > > ---- daniel stevenson wrote: >> sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in town.jump on the bandwagon& >> follow the yellow-brick road.visions of sugarplums ect... >> scary. >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on >> new and used cars. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:37:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8E23BF11; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-996876853 Message-Id: <39D074FD-ACA0-4F12-9501-8BDEE63C0DD2@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:37:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <9cRvzD.A.4kD.QO91DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-996876853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed my guess is that at "$1500 a pop" as you say, he's not mass producing them. that sounds like a price for something being hand built. and that has it's advantages and disadvantages as well. i'm really looking forward to trying one. On Jan 25, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > at $1500 a pop it doesn't need more than a limited audience. --Apple-Mail-9-996876853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 my guess is that at "$1500 a = pop" as you say,=A0 he's not mass producing them. that sounds like a = price for something being hand built.=A0



and that has it's = advantages and disadvantages as well.=A0

i'm really looking forward = to trying one.




On Jan 25, = 2006, at 2:00 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote:

at $1500 a pop it doesn't = need more than a limited audience.

=

= --Apple-Mail-9-996876853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:41:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09093BEEC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> References: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <51fa3fc1372ce6bdf5bf7c80c99307e3@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:41:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:41:53 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 25, 2006, at 1:18 PM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > A company needs to move product to stay in business and continue to > "upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" via the ethernet > connector on the unit. bob is _one_guy_. electrix was at least 10 people, probably 20 or more. despite the fact that it was a subsidiary of IVL it did have to stand on it's own. one dude in his house has to move a lot fewer units than a company with the kind of labor and building overhead that Electrix had. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:48:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44713BF1B; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,218,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="158207050:sNHT23292824" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060125112138.0123ec00@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:32:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... In-Reply-To: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) At 2006.01.25 11:18 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: >Well, people are always whining about Electrix. Guess they didn't sell >enough product to make a go of it. > >A company needs to move product to stay in business and continue to >"upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" via the ethernet >connector on the unit. Bob doesn't appear to be looking at it like big business. Here's a quote from him in the looperlative forum: "I have not quit my day job. I don't need any income from this company to live on, but I would at least like it to earn enough to cover all the expenses that went in to developing the product." >Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to pop for >$1500? Probably enough to keep Bob's attention. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:57:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1A4E3BF02; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:57:46 -0800 Subject: Re: Looping impro posted (solo flute/Mobius) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:57:49 +0000 (UTC) On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 02:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Playing a flute through my FireworX into M=F6bius laptop. Added a drum=20= > loop afterwards. This is just a wild and unprepared improvisation, but=20= > I like that annoying cut-up feel when matched with "Peaceful Pad"=20 > stuff ;-) And also that the moods do imply a lot that never actually=20= > happens. Often I find it difficult to play that way because I tend to=20= > run into harmonic melodies too quickly (guess I need to=20 > "un-musicianize myself ;-) > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam4mix.mp3 > > Very nice track! Not only is the looping very sophisticated, but the=20 piece so musical that I don't care how it was done. Great work! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 19:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF40B3BF19; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <25520712.1138219142437.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:59:02 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Cc: Sean Echevarria Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Does he take "Easy Pay" like on HSN? ---- Sean Echevarria wrote: > At 2006.01.25 11:18 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > >Well, people are always whining about Electrix. Guess they didn't sell > >enough product to make a go of it. > > > >A company needs to move product to stay in business and continue to > >"upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" via the ethernet > >connector on the unit. > > Bob doesn't appear to be looking at it like big business. Here's a quote > from him in the looperlative forum: > "I have not quit my day job. I don't need any income from this company to > live on, but I would at least like it to earn enough to cover all the > expenses that went in to developing the product." > > > >Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to pop for > >$1500? > > Probably enough to keep Bob's attention. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 20:02:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5518B3BF26; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re Looperlative demo online Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:56:43 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:02:59 +0000 (UTC) >>>good work. a multi stringed bass seems to be very versitile for soundscapes.can you only get e-bow action on a few strings.i can oly get the b's to ring upon command on my 12 strings,well 11 strings to be exact(no high g).nice stuff. scary.<<<<] Thanks - the Ebow will work on any string, it just takes practice... The term 'multi-stringed bass' has always confused me - surely any bass with more than one string is a 'multi stringed bass'? cheers! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 21:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E1B43BEDB; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> References: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:03:12 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:03:17 +0000 (UTC) At 2:18 PM -0500 1/25/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > >Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to >pop for $1500? Actually, if stereo processing is a hard & fast requirement for you -- as it is for me -- then you're really looking at $2000 for an EDP (two units brother synced together). Bob's unit on the other hand, comes in $500 cheaper plus you end up with eight stereo units, rather than just one. I know it's possible to "bargain" yourself to death with arguments like that, but $1500 MSRP for the equivalent of 16 EDP's [sic] looks like a pretty good bargain to me... --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 21:06:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 595703BF02; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14477450.1138223187608.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:06:27 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Cc: mech Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:06:29 +0000 (UTC) I'll trade ya a looperlative for 16 EDP's. Let me know. << $1500 MSRP >> Is that an MSRP? Or street price? -- Paul Richards ---- mech wrote: > At 2:18 PM -0500 1/25/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > > >Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to > >pop for $1500? > > Actually, if stereo processing is a hard & fast requirement for you > -- as it is for me -- then you're really looking at $2000 for an EDP > (two units brother synced together). Bob's unit on the other hand, > comes in $500 cheaper plus you end up with eight stereo units, rather > than just one. > > I know it's possible to "bargain" yourself to death with arguments > like that, but $1500 MSRP for the equivalent of 16 EDP's [sic] looks > like a pretty good bargain to me... > > --m. > > > -- > _______ > "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 21:15:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 205F73BEFB; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.161.159.11] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:15:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2006 21:15:13.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E56D8C0:01C621F4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Can someone post the link of the online demo again. Also, can you multiply loop lengths? Thanks Lou >From: mech >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:03:12 -0600 > >At 2:18 PM -0500 1/25/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: >> >>Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to pop for >>$1500? > >Actually, if stereo processing is a hard & fast requirement for you -- as >it is for me -- then you're really looking at $2000 for an EDP (two units >brother synced together). Bob's unit on the other hand, comes in $500 >cheaper plus you end up with eight stereo units, rather than just one. > >I know it's possible to "bargain" yourself to death with arguments like >that, but $1500 MSRP for the equivalent of 16 EDP's [sic] looks like a >pretty good bargain to me... > > --m. > > >-- >_______ >"Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 21:17:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBC383BF11; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14477450.1138223187608.JavaMail.root@web23> References: <14477450.1138223187608.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:17:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:17:23 +0000 (UTC) At 4:06 PM -0500 1/25/06, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: >I'll trade ya a looperlative for 16 EDP's. Let me know. Bwaahahahah! When I get a chance to round up 16 EDP's, you'll be the first one I call. :) ><< $1500 MSRP >> > >Is that an MSRP? Or street price? From Bob's "Pricing & Availability" announcement on the Looperlative Web Forum: "Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price for the Looperlative LP1 is $1499." --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 21:52:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E82063BEF0; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <62.645790d8.31094d11@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:52:17 EST Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.645790d8.31094d11_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) --part1_62.645790d8.31094d11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been there. The device looks like it has some nice features as well. I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . . heheheh. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_62.645790d8.31094d11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been=20= there.

The device looks like it  has some nice features as well.

I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . . heheheh.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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 --part1_62.645790d8.31094d11_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 22:08:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC073BEEC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VvS2QGH70yAtFPY0Ufzbo992ufwcWZOe9TKUS5bL3OXq9l999W5vYAUYWaqzKANPJZWHEZUhHyTlUtYrxnPkmHziOvh2bQicpAdT8eZjCzaosvR6zOlFyNIdJmlHnQCIhumj6zXHbIbRmwsGgCy3+W4gpYuufO6pYz4vLF4F1Ig= ; Message-ID: <20060125220848.6366.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:08:48 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <30295213.1138217240457.JavaMail.root@web23> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Now, now people. I know there's a prototype we've all seen the video of, but man if people are ditching their EDPs and Repeaters for on of these badboys and there is a delay in shipping of some sort... like OTHER boutique loopers of the past, I swear I'll hunt each whiner down and slap them silly. Sure, put your preorder on one of your credit cards and get a bit less for your EDP when your Looperlative ships. Trust me, you don't want to take the risk of being looperless. The Repeater missed it's first ship date by more than a year and there have been long long stretches of time when the EDP was nearly impossible to get new. I'm not trying to question Bob's integrety. Missing his ship date may happen beyond anything that he can control. I'm very very eager to see this machine brought into the market (stereo looping is a must for me) but until one is sitting in my rack happily looping along, my Repeater will have nothing to worry about. Who knows, might even hold onto it for pitchshifting loops which it seems that the Looperlative won't ever do. I'm sure the EDP does tricks that the Looperlative won't ever do too. Be careful before you get all ebay happy. Mark --- paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > If ayone has a mint condition EDP for sale for $500, > let me know. :) > > ---- daniel stevenson > wrote: > > sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in > town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick > road.visions of sugarplums ect... > > scary. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get > pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From underwood@aaane.com Wed Jan 25 22:28:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from ip-79.net-81-220-243.rev.numericable.fr (ip-79.net-81-220-243.rev.numericable.fr [81.220.243.79]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C08E93BECC; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([81.220.243.79]) by yahoo.com (Sendmail 8.7.7) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYT16275 for <3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:26:08 -0600 Message-ID: <012u435b.3770576@yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=eliot; d=yahoo.com; b=ST9RXUXhw4OlVZ2eYUFa5u2wCShcWe1y1VNxwkTbEnGYjNmh1zI7dPzcpcHUBbkfaMShGh93sMSpJ6Jp; X-Display: Full X-List: digression.usenet Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:26:08 -0600 From: "Otto Villa" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, rs-delight@loopers-delight.com, s-delight@loopers-delight.com, uest@loopers-delight.com Subject: Low mortagge ratee approvall Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_21899556==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_21899556==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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IWqL+9iCBs6Y3p0nUqdxxdqOl7zJvCzg5pruyRU3vvKdL33ra9/74q8Fat0vf/vr3/8COMAC zm8IAAA7 --------------AttPart_21899556==.OLA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 23:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38F843BEE6; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D80762.3010900@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:18:58 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative References: <20060125220848.6366.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060125220848.6366.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:18:56 +0000 (UTC) The difference here is that Bob is communicating directly with his customers re: the arrival of parts, the construction of the boxes, and their delivery. You want to buy my EDPs? :) Doug mark sottilaro wrote: >Now, now people. I know there's a prototype we've all >seen the video of, but man if people are ditching >their EDPs and Repeaters for on of these badboys and >there is a delay in shipping of some sort... like >OTHER boutique loopers of the past, I swear I'll hunt >each whiner down and slap them silly. Sure, put your >preorder on one of your credit cards and get a bit >less for your EDP when your Looperlative ships. Trust >me, you don't want to take the risk of being >looperless. The Repeater missed it's first ship date >by more than a year and there have been long long >stretches of time when the EDP was nearly impossible >to get new. I'm not trying to question Bob's >integrety. Missing his ship date may happen beyond >anything that he can control. > >I'm very very eager to see this machine brought into >the market (stereo looping is a must for me) but until >one is sitting in my rack happily looping along, my >Repeater will have nothing to worry about. Who knows, >might even hold onto it for pitchshifting loops which >it seems that the Looperlative won't ever do. I'm >sure the EDP does tricks that the Looperlative won't >ever do too. Be careful before you get all ebay >happy. > >Mark > >--- paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > > >>If ayone has a mint condition EDP for sale for $500, >>let me know. :) >> >>---- daniel stevenson >>wrote: >> >> >>>sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in >>> >>> >>town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick >>road.visions of sugarplums ect... >> >> >>> scary. >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get >>> >>> >>pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 25 23:58:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 137513BEE2; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1xX4Jp70fp58G0jVp656TOoVJNp6sJzd9g/REVJL5Jbclowp/xBDge/SUTpHJUFmcEN62sdMROdSpNQPc6VVyc6ESr/ayWO7d5+PeGasjm7Pt4lIvkjdDPsD0aQOvH5VV1mwmUmxqHPi/1obaJIhvfUK0Txfme+ZLgqR8l8h694= ; Message-ID: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:58:48 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43D80762.3010900@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Nope. Never really dug the EDP. Not for me. I'm saving up for a Looperlative! Still, at one point I applauded Electrix for it's communication with it's potential customers. There was a guy on the LD list who'd check in every day, giving updates and taking feature requests... until they missed their ship date. Of course I'm not suggesting Bob will be like this at all, however I imagine he's not making the processors himself, so that means he's subject to suppliers. --- Doug Cox wrote: > The difference here is that Bob is communicating > directly with his > customers re: the arrival of parts, the construction > of the boxes, and > their delivery. > > You want to buy my EDPs? :) > > Doug > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > >Now, now people. I know there's a prototype we've > all > >seen the video of, but man if people are ditching > >their EDPs and Repeaters for on of these badboys > and > >there is a delay in shipping of some sort... like > >OTHER boutique loopers of the past, I swear I'll > hunt > >each whiner down and slap them silly. Sure, put > your > >preorder on one of your credit cards and get a bit > >less for your EDP when your Looperlative ships. > Trust > >me, you don't want to take the risk of being > >looperless. The Repeater missed it's first ship > date > >by more than a year and there have been long long > >stretches of time when the EDP was nearly > impossible > >to get new. I'm not trying to question Bob's > >integrety. Missing his ship date may happen beyond > >anything that he can control. > > > >I'm very very eager to see this machine brought > into > >the market (stereo looping is a must for me) but > until > >one is sitting in my rack happily looping along, my > >Repeater will have nothing to worry about. Who > knows, > >might even hold onto it for pitchshifting loops > which > >it seems that the Looperlative won't ever do. I'm > >sure the EDP does tricks that the Looperlative > won't > >ever do too. Be careful before you get all ebay > >happy. > > > >Mark > > > >--- paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > > > > > > >>If ayone has a mint condition EDP for sale for > $500, > >>let me know. :) > >> > >>---- daniel stevenson > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>>sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in > >>> > >>> > >>town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the > yellow-brick > >>road.visions of sugarplums ect... > >> > >> > >>> scary. > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------------- > >>> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get > >>> > >>> > >>pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 00:11:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 183593BEE2; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ndVogxOpV9KgpFlwPg1k0lWrv97I/EueIBzfvpCiWD0BKl9GlL5+422h5NU1tpxFG7aF7+bGLO3x1wlplpLG5xKexvnUu5kCx8UFhV5ndfvmHWiD4gK7Z7En1KZUyxEdhcGSXi5/8U2DM1UBRoZFSIUAzlnvq/y9X5dNvG6VChc= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601251611j4ebd22c3v7edbec5360a29b22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:11:56 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Anybody @ Namm? Please check the Electrix booth Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060120233947.8FE863BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> <353e2ed80601211423h7cc9e237x58dcd7046380cb74@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230747p702f3aeay21da387ec64ca999@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120601230748m150243cbr9909827b2d6d0caf@mail.gmail.com> <43D4FDAA.40603@biink.com> <26ba8d120601231412u43930b4bh4b902e68383470c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D79860.7050504@biink.com> <26ba8d120601250810y21672bck19e1a1bd3eb674c8@mail.gmail.com> <43D7B022.6090807@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:11:58 +0000 (UTC) I haven't been to the SI spot but it's going really well. I'm very glad Stv is doing well and looking even a little chubby in the pictures (he always looked like he needed a good meal...) I sent Steve Jones an apology the other day. I'd remembered that a few days after 9/11 he told me that there'd never be a real investigation and instead they'd use it as a pretext to invade Iraq -- and I'd scoffed at him. Even though his UFO and political beliefs were a little hard to swallow at times, sometimes you have to admit that you were wrong. On 1/25/06, David Beardsley wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >This from a guy who can't even afford a whole tuning and had to settle > >for a micro! ;-) > > > > > Very funny. :-D > > Afford??? All that shit cost quite a bit - I had no problems paying for > it. I even own a car. > > And there's three Strats waiting for me to decide on the specs on the nec= ks. > I know what to use for a tuning, but can't make up my mind the neck profi= le > and frets. > > Have you been to the return of the son of Chama in SI yet? It's closer > than the lower east side for me, but I can't get my act together to vist. > > >>>How does it sound? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I'll bet it sounds like what ever you plug it into. It IS a midi > >>controller, right? > >> > >> > > > >Well, it is, but this one has an internal synth built into the unit > >itself! so I really am curious as to how it sounds.... > > > Ah...I see what you're getting at. Thanks. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 00:30:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C01F93BEDE; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:51 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm To: Message-id: <004f01c62210$bdb33fa0$95eca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <_EMR3D.A.gbG.0gB2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:30:44 +0000 (UTC) This picture is pure art!!! http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1918.jpg David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: new EH looper pic from Namm > > from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/> > http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 00:35:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA223BEF5; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.157.56.248] X-Originating-Email: [graham.maureen@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: graham.maureen@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <004f01c62210$bdb33fa0$95eca344@hppav> From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:35:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 00:35:21.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[63909A40:01C62210] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:35:23 +0000 (UTC) this picture looks TOTALLY photoshop i'll believe (and likely buy) it when I see it. Graham >From: "David Kirkdorffer" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:51 -0500 > >This picture is pure art!!! > >http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1918.jpg > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Legion" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:25 AM >Subject: new EH looper pic from Namm > > > > from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/> > > http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 00:38:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A8423BEF6; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:45:35 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm To: Message-id: <005801c62211$d21333a0$95eca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <2JUm8C.A.RsG.IoB2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Or, someone had 100 Boss Flangers (I think that's what they are) and decided to put them to some good use. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm > this picture looks TOTALLY photoshop > i'll believe (and likely buy) it when I see it. > > Graham > > >From: "David Kirkdorffer" > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm > >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:51 -0500 > > > >This picture is pure art!!! > > > >http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1918.jpg > > > >David > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Legion" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:25 AM > >Subject: new EH looper pic from Namm > > > > > > from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/> > > > http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 00:53:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E764D3BEE9; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:00:40 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Message-id: <005d01c62213$edc3e840$95eca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0353CA0A-FFF6-49C3-8B7D-0D3C5FA0163B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations to Bob and his team for bringing this most superlative looper to the world! This little video is a great tool to start spreading the word. Awesome! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Looperlative demo online... > Sunday morning at NAMM I filmed a looperlative demo for > SonicState.com - http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2648 > > first half is me playing and talking about the box, second half is > the inventor Bob Amstadt describing what it does. > > Much fun. :o) > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007643BEF6; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:12:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Message-id: <007e01c62215$a3141de0$95eca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8275227.1138216707041.JavaMail.root@web23> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:05:51 +0000 (UTC) For a business to succeed, it needs to be profitable. There are two sides to that equation: 1) controlling its costs 2) size of its revenue Cost control is generally where new businesses fail. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Suit & Tie Guy" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... > Well, people are always whining about Electrix. Guess they didn't sell enough product to make a go of it. > > A company needs to move product to stay in business and continue to "upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" via the ethernet connector on the unit. > > Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may people are going to pop for $1500? > > > ---- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > > On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:16 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > > Well, how many EDPs, Repeaters, etc. have been sold? > > > > > > At $1500 a pop, it seems like it will have a limited audience. > > > > at $1500 a pop it doesn't need more than a limited audience. > > > > ever seen the price tag on a new Buchla system? that has a limited > > audience too. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56A973BEFC; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:16:21 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online To: Message-id: <009f01c62216$1e668d20$95eca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C621EC.351C8DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <62.645790d8.31094d11@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:09:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C621EC.351C8DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone please identify the footpedal used in the Looperlative DEMO. = And what does that cost? Thanks! David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been there. The device looks like it has some nice features as well. I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . . heheheh. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C621EC.351C8DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anyone please identify the = footpedal used in=20 the Looperlative DEMO.   And what does that cost?
 
Thanks!
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, = 2006 4:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re Looperlative = demo=20 online

Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been=20 there.

The device looks like it  has some nice features as = well.

I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . .=20 heheheh.

Best regards,

tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

"Different = is not always=20 better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.h= tml
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/ted= killian
http://www.guitar9.com/f= luxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
htt= p://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmus= ic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/Produ= ctDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C621EC.351C8DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:16:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009F83BEEE; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:19:04 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009f01c62216$1e668d20$95eca344@hppav> References: <62.645790d8.31094d11@aol.com> <009f01c62216$1e668d20$95eca344@hppav> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Steve uses the Nobels MIDI controller which is a fun device because it is=20 battery powered. I don't know where he got it or how much it costs. --On Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:16 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer=20 wrote: > > Can anyone please identify the footpedal used in the Looperlative DEMO. > And what does that cost? > > Thanks! > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > > Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been there. > > The device looks like it has some nice features as well. > > I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . . heheheh. > > Best regards, > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58083BED3; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c201c62218$be296060$1cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <004f01c62210$bdb33fa0$95eca344@hppav> Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:35:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 454, in=219909, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:35:13 +0000 (UTC) It would be an interesting experimental music installation if all of them were delay pedals and where all routed to a single output to generate an interesting "wall of sound" from a single tone. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm > This picture is pure art!!! > > http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1918.jpg > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Legion" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:25 AM > Subject: new EH looper pic from Namm >> >> from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/> >> http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:46:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80A93BEF3; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01dd01c6221a$48a5fe50$1cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <62.645790d8.31094d11@aol.com> <009f01c62216$1e668d20$95eca344@hppav> Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:46:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 451, in=204630, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Two Nobels controllers: http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1 and http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2 Buy here, in Euro: http://www.musik-produktiv.at/shop2/shop04.asp/artnr/3399015/sid/!06082002/quelle/listen K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online Steve uses the Nobels MIDI controller which is a fun device because it is battery powered. I don't know where he got it or how much it costs. --On Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:16 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Can anyone please identify the footpedal used in the Looperlative DEMO. > And what does that cost? > > Thanks! > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > > Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been there. > > The device looks like it has some nice features as well. > > I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . . heheheh. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:46:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35E93BEFB; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mplPuuBpkwTDdWW7u5EKRgZJxKAX6rE43ZoSrX2FrB4g+LFMQWiQkTEuEicJ2wtrdJlA2tcepyTsnI3fgUnOWQ6Kr5iXjGaixRitnA3P9pZVFV4dpuIOkBx+5MBEwKHc1lN9XSh2crBaYKdFTxS12vrIg2kAqPvu5t4xmOXVZgA= ; Message-ID: <20060126014616.72810.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:46:16 -0800 (PST) From: David Durian Subject: Boss RC-50 Now Available (Pre-Orders) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2136886414-1138239976=:72555" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-u0NrD.A.T-.onC2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:46:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-2136886414-1138239976=:72555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all. This afternoon, did a search. Looks like the Boss RC-50 is available at most online retailers now. Street price is 499.99 and the targeted ship date is sometime in March, 2006. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Boss+RC-50&btnG=Google+Search David --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-2136886414-1138239976=:72555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 Hi all. This afternoon, did a search. Looks like the Boss RC-50 is available at most online retailers now. Street price is 499.99 and the targeted ship date is sometime in March, 2006.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Boss+RC-50&btnG=Google+Search

 David

Do you Yahoo!?
With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-2136886414-1138239976=:72555-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 01:53:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B39F3BEF4; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:00:26 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online To: Message-id: <00d901c6221c$476703c0$95eca344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <62.645790d8.31094d11@aol.com> <009f01c62216$1e668d20$95eca344@hppav> <01dd01c6221a$48a5fe50$1cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Many thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > Two Nobels controllers: > > http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1 and > http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2 > > Buy here, in Euro: > http://www.musik-produktiv.at/shop2/shop04.asp/artnr/3399015/sid/!06082002/quelle/listen > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Amstadt" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > > > Steve uses the Nobels MIDI controller which is a fun device because it is > battery powered. I don't know where he got it or how much it costs. > > --On Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:16 PM -0500 David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > > > > Can anyone please identify the footpedal used in the Looperlative DEMO. > > And what does that cost? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:52 PM > > Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > > > > Nice playing Steve. Wish I coulda been there. > > > > The device looks like it has some nice features as well. > > > > I know what I'm buyin' if I ever win the lotto . . . heheheh. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 02:00:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89A503BEF8; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G+b0MWiAATX7Rk4szudtdjljRj5lYRh5J1Wf/gymRKdOap5Puakz1Ybl0JH8Zg1A; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220061426271330@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: cost?Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:07:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e7852fc25a665c3957101504d481e33f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.136 Resent-Message-ID: <5v3d6C.A.exB.r0C2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Forgive me if I've someone has mentioned this already, but what does this uberlooper cost? ~T > [Original Message] > From: Doug Cox > To: > Date: 1/25/2006 6:18:56 PM > Subject: Re: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative > > The difference here is that Bob is communicating directly with his > customers re: the arrival of parts, the construction of the boxes, and > their delivery. > > You want to buy my EDPs? :) > > Doug > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > >Now, now people. I know there's a prototype we've all > >seen the video of, but man if people are ditching > >their EDPs and Repeaters for on of these badboys and > >there is a delay in shipping of some sort... like > >OTHER boutique loopers of the past, I swear I'll hunt > >each whiner down and slap them silly. Sure, put your > >preorder on one of your credit cards and get a bit > >less for your EDP when your Looperlative ships. Trust > >me, you don't want to take the risk of being > >looperless. The Repeater missed it's first ship date > >by more than a year and there have been long long > >stretches of time when the EDP was nearly impossible > >to get new. I'm not trying to question Bob's > >integrety. Missing his ship date may happen beyond > >anything that he can control. > > > >I'm very very eager to see this machine brought into > >the market (stereo looping is a must for me) but until > >one is sitting in my rack happily looping along, my > >Repeater will have nothing to worry about. Who knows, > >might even hold onto it for pitchshifting loops which > >it seems that the Looperlative won't ever do. I'm > >sure the EDP does tricks that the Looperlative won't > >ever do too. Be careful before you get all ebay > >happy. > > > >Mark > > > >--- paulrichard10@adelphia.net wrote: > > > > > > > >>If ayone has a mint condition EDP for sale for $500, > >>let me know. :) > >> > >>---- daniel stevenson > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>>sell em boys & girls.theres a new sheriff in > >>> > >>> > >>town.jump on the bandwagon& follow the yellow-brick > >>road.visions of sugarplums ect... > >> > >> > >>> scary. > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------------- > >>> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get > >>> > >>> > >>pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 02:32:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483F43BEE7; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <17f69cabc59add83d7aec1af38c43f44@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: iKey recording interface impressions Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:32:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Here are my impressions of the "ikey" usb recording interface/ device that was a list subject a couple weeks back. Been working with it for 2 wks. now and it really is a fantastic little device. Won't go into the specs - they're clearly published on the Gemini iKey site - but will say it does everything as advertised - One caveat would be that I haven't used it with an "iPod" because I don't own one. Instead I record to a SanDisk 1GB "Cruzer Mini" usb storage device (no driver necessary - the iKey won't record to devices that need a driver). Input is stereo out from my "Ultrasound" acoustic amp into the "Ikey". After recording, remove "Cruzer" from "iKey", plug it into my "iMac", open the folder that shows up on the desktop, and drag the .wav (or mp3 if recorded in that format) to "Peak" (Bias audio editing/ mastering program) or editing program of your choice. Edit/ save at will, erase (drag to trash and empty) the "Cruzer" file and back to the "ikey" for more recording. No moving parts - no fuss. Total cost with storage device - under $200. This was under the price for a decent MiniDisk recorder which I was originally considering for "reference" recording of gigs. Highly recommended - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 05:00:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5A23BEE2; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:55:53 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Zoom G2 - first impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43D85659.4000501@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:00:08 +0000 (UTC) in a word: meh. in a few: well, as far as using it for the 5 second delay, it's fine. that and the three separate delays that can be used simultaneously make it worth the $100. the programmable input for expression pedal/footswitch is nice too, but you can't control, say tap tempo and feedback at the same time. it's either one or the other. you can however, program the input for each patch- ie: footswitch w/tap tempo on one patch, expression pedal w/wah on the next. you'd have to use a splitter cable to have both expression pedal and footswitch connected at the same time. the intelligent pitch shifter was fun to play with, but i didn't think the quality of the shifted note was very good. similar to the boss pitch shifter/delay pedal. the virtual note trying to be a real note. there's that ring mod type of sound to it that, in my mind, corrupts the purity of the interval. with 5ths and 4ths it's okay and i used to use those settings alot, but i got over it. i'm sure it would appeal to some tho'. it's very quiet and crisp and clean. too clean. burnt nostrils smell turpentine. i feel like i am playing in a white room and i want it painted black. and to track mud on the white carpet. i absolutely hate every distortion preset. they are devoid of dynamics. here is some possible logic behind such emotional bursting: - i use a musicman amp - i use a chandler tube driver - and an ibanez pue5 tube, and flatwounds, old maestro phaser, stuff like that. mmmm like buhddah like buddah. fat and squishy sleeping under a tree. with buhddahflies flitting in the summah sky. ahhh. even my other digital fx(digitech s200,art multiverb3) seem warmer than the g2. but i am old. and don't care much for crispy high frequencies anymore. one too many cymbal shots in the left unplugged ear. my biggest beef with the g2 is that it is one major tone sucker. there is a night and day difference between sending a signal through it and not. after all is said and crapped on, bear in mind these are first impressions. i haven't done any routing in combination with my other fx. i haven't done much programming other than removing everything exept the delays. i feel i know enough to know that i would have to re-program all the user banks(which one would likely do anyway), and all the presets save one or two would be useless to me. i've returned the g2 and put the money toward a dd-20. i'm happy with my other fx - i really just wanted a cheap way to get into looping and another $100 for a dd-20 will give me so much more than the g2 offers on it's own, as far as looping goes. if i already had a dd-20, i'd probably have kept the g2 and programmed it specifically for it's 3 delays. i've been on this list for over 4 years and am just now finally getting a looper. do i win some kind of a prize for the longest delay? this is an awesome community here and even though i don't post much i feel no less a part of it than the frequent posters. philosophical rants, marketing strategies, gear pricewatching, recording techniques, meet you for coffee...off topic is on topic, for the most part. it's a good thing. put's the deli in looper's delight. one world. many sausages. pretty much anything can have a bearing on any other thing. the diversity here is what makes it thrive. and you're all just so darn nice to each other. not at all like that rabbly circuitbenders list. hey it's great over there too, just, well...y'know...why do i have monty python's roving grannies gang in my head all of a sudden...and now tesla...now bizzarro superman...value village...orc baby with hot solder dripping from fangs... geez i'm goin' to bed, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 07:26:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9033BEE1; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Re Looperlative demo online Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:25:57 +0100 Message-ID: <008201c62249$c0800450$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C62252.22446C50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <01dd01c6221a$48a5fe50$1cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcYiPMRq8GlTXLRaQXKXd38Z5K67yAADMxVA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:26:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C62252.22446C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looks interesting, and not too expensive at 208 Euros ... can anyone say anything about them? Steve? How do they relate to the FCB1010? -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [ mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:46 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > > Two Nobels controllers: > > http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1 and > http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2 > > Buy here, in Euro: > http://www.musik-produktiv.at/shop2/shop04.asp/artnr/3399015/sid/!06082002/q uelle/listen > > K- ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C62252.22446C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online In-Reply-To: <008201c62249$c0800450$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01dd01c6221a$48a5fe50$1cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008201c62249$c0800450$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:33:24 +0000 (UTC) this will be cool if and only if every one of the 8 stero tracks on the looperative gets up to speed with the echoplex. I wanna be able to stutter and replace, sus etc. As opposed to just the straight ahead loop thing. Would love to be able to test one of the leeperlative's out for myself though. :) On 1/26/06, Michael Peters wrote: > > > looks interesting, and not too expensive at 208 Euros ... can anyone say > anything about them? Steve? How do they relate to the FCB1010? -Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:46 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online > > > > Two Nobels controllers: > > > > http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1 and > > http://www.nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2 > > > > Buy here, in Euro: > > > http://www.musik-produktiv.at/shop2/shop04.asp/artnr/3399015/sid/!0608200= 2/quelle/listen > > > > K- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 09:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44D3C3BEE1; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K/6neuY5xftNpyF/iUWDkjRKOLboNS3O7SzxHgUl7fZkHEDDOvWrFkrujkNZ6d+FuylvmhN2XnRAFiuvpmvrUNNnHJN2YULdrGQWRGHJBrNsc9IxkCKYqtk18ac7WWK46h/eENdZ9Tg5+FUuzOBd/1KIdiPpUNcXiC59AZ7TQ4k= ; Message-ID: <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060125112138.0123ec00@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:09:55 +0000 (UTC) I am curious, if Electrix and Gibson had problems supporting this devices for financial reasons how is Bob financing all of this being a one man company??? --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > At 2006.01.25 11:18 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > wrote: > >Well, people are always whining about Electrix. > Guess they didn't sell > >enough product to make a go of it. > > > >A company needs to move product to stay in business > and continue to > >"upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" > via the ethernet > >connector on the unit. > > Bob doesn't appear to be looking at it like big > business. Here's a quote > from him in the looperlative forum: > "I have not quit my day job. I don't need any income > from this company to > live on, but I would at least like it to earn enough > to cover all the > expenses that went in to developing the product." > > > >Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may > people are going to pop for > >$1500? > > Probably enough to keep Bob's attention. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 10:25:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 450053BEE6; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011c01c62262$d306b790$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Re: Looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0119_01C6226B.34A9DBF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 10:25:29.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[D49D0F00:01C62262] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:25:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01C6226B.34A9DBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers,=20 I was out of this list for a month so I've surely lost informations = about this new looper, that seems very interesting, as shown by Steve. Could someone of you describe, in a simple and clear list, the new = Looperlative features ? Thanks Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url --------------------------------------------------- Nota di riservatezza : Il presente messaggio, corredato dei relativi = allegati, contiene informazioni da considerarsi strettamente riservate, = ed =E8 destinato esclusivamente al destinatario sopra indicato, il quale = =E8 l'unico autorizzato ad usarlo, copiarlo e, sotto la propria = responsabilit=E0, diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse questo messaggio per = errore o comunque lo leggesse senza esserne legittimato =E8 avvertito = che trattenerlo, copiarlo, divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone diverse = dal destinatario =E8 severamente proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo = immediatamente al mittente distruggendone l'originale. Grazie. Confidentiality Notice : This message, together with its annexes, = contains information to be deemed strictly confidential and is destined = only to the addressee(s) identified above who only may use, copy and, = under his/their responsibility, further disseminate it. If anyone = received this message by mistake or reads it without entitlement is = forewarned that keeping, copying, disseminating or distributing this = message to persons other than the addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and = is asked to transmit it immediately to the sender and to erase the = original message received. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0119_01C6226B.34A9DBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi loopers,
I was out of this list for a month so I've surely lost informations = about=20 this new looper, that seems very interesting, as shown by Steve.
Could someone of you describe, in a simple and clear=20 list, the new Looperlative features ?
Thanks
 
Fabio = Anile
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 
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Nota di riservatezza : Il = presente=20 messaggio, corredato dei relativi allegati, contiene informazioni da=20 considerarsi strettamente riservate, ed =E8 destinato esclusivamente al=20 destinatario sopra indicato, il quale =E8 l'unico autorizzato ad usarlo, = copiarlo=20 e, sotto la propria responsabilit=E0, diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse = questo=20 messaggio per errore o comunque lo leggesse senza esserne legittimato = =E8=20 avvertito che trattenerlo, copiarlo, divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone = diverse=20 dal destinatario =E8 severamente proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo=20 immediatamente al mittente distruggendone l'originale. = Grazie.

Confidentiality Notice : = This=20 message, together with its annexes, contains information to be deemed = strictly=20 confidential and is destined only to the addressee(s) identified above = who only=20 may use, copy and, under his/their responsibility, further disseminate = it. If=20 anyone received this message by mistake or reads it without entitlement = is=20 forewarned that keeping, copying, disseminating or distributing this = message to=20 persons other than the addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and is asked = to=20 transmit it immediately to the sender and to erase the original message=20 received. Thank=20 you.

------=_NextPart_000_0119_01C6226B.34A9DBF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 10:46:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 057123BEEC; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015b01c62265$c91d26d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: interesting web site Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:46:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0158_01C6226E.2ABDB320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 10:46:41.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAB3F370:01C62265] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:46:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C6226E.2ABDB320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's no looping content, but it's interesting http://www.ashesandsnow.org/ Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url --------------------------------------------------- Nota di riservatezza : Il presente messaggio, corredato dei relativi = allegati, contiene informazioni da considerarsi strettamente riservate, = ed =E8 destinato esclusivamente al destinatario sopra indicato, il quale = =E8 l'unico autorizzato ad usarlo, copiarlo e, sotto la propria = responsabilit=E0, diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse questo messaggio per = errore o comunque lo leggesse senza esserne legittimato =E8 avvertito = che trattenerlo, copiarlo, divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone diverse = dal destinatario =E8 severamente proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo = immediatamente al mittente distruggendone l'originale. Grazie. Confidentiality Notice : This message, together with its annexes, = contains information to be deemed strictly confidential and is destined = only to the addressee(s) identified above who only may use, copy and, = under his/their responsibility, further disseminate it. If anyone = received this message by mistake or reads it without entitlement is = forewarned that keeping, copying, disseminating or distributing this = message to persons other than the addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and = is asked to transmit it immediately to the sender and to erase the = original message received. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C6226E.2ABDB320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's no looping = content, but=20 it's interesting
http://www.ashesandsnow.org/
 
Fabio = Anile
 
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.htm= l?tag=3Dquickurl
 
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Nota di riservatezza : Il = presente=20 messaggio, corredato dei relativi allegati, contiene informazioni da=20 considerarsi strettamente riservate, ed =E8 destinato esclusivamente al=20 destinatario sopra indicato, il quale =E8 l'unico autorizzato ad usarlo, = copiarlo=20 e, sotto la propria responsabilit=E0, diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse = questo=20 messaggio per errore o comunque lo leggesse senza esserne legittimato = =E8=20 avvertito che trattenerlo, copiarlo, divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone = diverse=20 dal destinatario =E8 severamente proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo=20 immediatamente al mittente distruggendone l'originale. = Grazie.

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------=_NextPart_000_0158_01C6226E.2ABDB320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 11:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9A83BEE0; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PNJtdLoYPlQkzA52DswB224qz2Mvj5T4RrzC3E3Act0AmtCb1cGBTbBluA71N8GW53dKW4movtMJ3OrLDfXaLrSQHxwBHMdSv/VuuPSomB6sLOOMBC89QhVRgTTSId2AsWAYnr4NbsWJnZpy4xvFwUBZdcVd5Kc88I9eDJ0cZ/4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601260317w238691c6g2c3ffed090a89126@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:17:06 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE: RC 20XL and Digitech JamMan In-Reply-To: <20060124143723.XJXH25777.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@SERVER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:40:58 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Message-id: <43D8B54A.7040004@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <8fyTn.A.UlC.IXL2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:43:04 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Today's program will include music from the new Jadis CD, "Photoplay." It's their first proper studio album in three years. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Parallel Worlds (Athens Greece). The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Far Away Light" on Shima Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Existence" on Rubber Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the four disk set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jan Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, January 14 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 11:58:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3793BEF3; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 03:58:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:58:34 +0000 (UTC) I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: I had the distinct pleasure of helping Steve to debut the Looperlative at NAMM and can say that I'm very excited about the prospects and the future growth of this amazing instrument. I've only had one in working order for less than two weeks and it is really an amazing and groundbreaking looper. Many thanks to Bob Amstadt for creating it and having the open minded and serving attitude that he has about it's just beginning group of loyal users. Thanks also to Steve for a wonderful video introduction to the unit. I learned a few things from his presentation. That being said and done, I think it does great disservice to this community to have a thread titled edp R.I.P.............long live the looperlative. I have to go on record and say that I love the EDP! It is an astonishing and completely unique digital instrument: one that is so complex that I"m still learning how to use it. It has created a lot of unprecedented musical innovation in this community and in the world at large. I can't imagine the very, very beautiful and sophisticate musics of Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler and Matthias Grob (to name just a few) without this instrument. And just like the Stratocaster, the Les Paul and some state of the art Digital Modelling Guitar..................or like the MAC, the PC or the hardware based solutions for live looping: It's hard to compare apples and oranges. The EDP is an amazing and very, very deep instrument..........................it doesn't do what the Looperlative can do but by the same token, the Looperlative will probably never have the same feature sets that the EDP has or the Repeater has..........................they are different instruments. I've had many, many offlist letters from loopers saying 'Should I dump my EDP and buy a Looperlative" and I have answered everyone with the same answer: "Save up and buy a Looperlative, you'll be glad you did, but hang on to your EDP................. it does uniquely what no other looper has done and it will always have musical value as such. I am a proud user and endorser of the Looperlative (and just learning it). I've been a proud endorser and user of the EDP (and still learning it) and , for all of it's flaws, I am a proud user of the Electrix Repeater and the Line 6 DL-4, stomp box looper. One instrument doesn't have to die for another to live. One style of music doesn't have languish in order for another to thrive. Long Live the EDP (and thank you Matthias, Kim Flint, Andy Butler, Claude Voit and all of the amazing people who produced it). Long Live the Looperlative (and thank you Bob Amstadt, Steve Lawson and all the people who will help develop it) Long Live the Repeater (and all who have developed it) Long Live all the incredible live looping hardware and software solutions that have made our community so strong and creatively vital. The more instruments we have.........the more diversity they represent............the stronger our community will be. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 12:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D2793BEE7; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m/dqaKNIfbNiMD5RzQj7NE64ZPRsxqeVQa6c0Eor/X/s7nCdCLaEznJX5PSxAYmYlDklkLLrt9O2Ry/i0xxI6K/TO0vPJHjmFfBg6maKZtGlVUVub6sZsx2N6JjAtaeZc1krcPD92EScEt+BqvhmAW9z4KQQi960NOBVDEA9EHQ= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601260441s14314bd7rdc09890705219ed2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:41:36 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative In-Reply-To: <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:41:38 +0000 (UTC) On 1/26/06, loop.pool wrote: [bandwidth saving snip] > One instrument doesn't have to die for another to live. One style of mus= ic > doesn't have languish in order for another to thrive. > > Long Live the EDP (and thank you Matthias, Kim Flint, Andy Butler, Claude > Voit and all of the amazing people who produced it). > Long Live the Looperlative (and thank you Bob Amstadt, Steve Lawson and a= ll > the people who will help develop it) > Long Live the Repeater (and all who have developed it) > Long Live all the incredible live looping hardware and software solutions > that have made our community so strong and creatively vital. > > The more instruments we have.........the more diversity they > represent............the stronger our community will be. Well said, Sir, and thank you for taking the time to say it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 13:26:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F182A3BEDD; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c6227c$2476eaa0$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <353e2ed80601260441s14314bd7rdc09890705219ed2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:26:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Musicians Please ask yourself !! how come will I be suddenly more creative and a better musician, more sexy, more powerfull because this new looper machine is in town?? Why are those new words in this new manual more valuable than those in the old one (that I never went thru anyway). will I have more ideas of what to do with my new toy (besides trying all the functions)? really? Is looking at a new display make your notes and rythm new ? how long will it take to fill those 8 tracks with musik 8min 10 minutes? is it allowed to be boring on stage? can you handle the technical pressure of managing 8 tracks and remember where goes what, and what is on track 6 ? and still be present to your audience? is shoe gazing bad for your spine? is there joy in repetition? Have a nice day Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 13:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E51A23BEF4; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:42:44 +0100 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c6227e$62efbc60$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <353e2ed80601260441s14314bd7rdc09890705219ed2@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c6227c$2476eaa0$0301a8c0@mlimli> Resent-Message-ID: <369lPB.A.rBG.fHN2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Great reflections, Claude !! We want more, more, more not sure what to use it for T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "claude voit" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative > Musicians > Please ask yourself !! > how come will I be suddenly more creative and a better musician, more > sexy, more powerfull because this new looper machine is in town?? > Why are those new words in this new manual more valuable than those in the > old one (that I never went thru anyway). > will I have more ideas of what to do with my new toy (besides trying all > the functions)? > really? > Is looking at a new display make your notes and rythm new ? > how long will it take to fill those 8 tracks with musik 8min 10 minutes? > is it allowed to be boring on stage? > can you handle the technical pressure of managing 8 tracks and remember > where goes what, and what is on track 6 ? > and still be present to your audience? > is shoe gazing bad for your spine? > is there joy in repetition? > > Have a nice day > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 14:17:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DE263BEEE; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20060126091624.01f4bf18@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:17:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative In-Reply-To: <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-69215912 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Well said Rick! Paul Haslem, Ontario, Canada At 06:58 AM 1/26/2006, you wrote: >Long Live the EDP (and thank you Matthias, Kim Flint, Andy Butler, Claude >Voit and all of the amazing people who produced it). >Long Live the Looperlative (and thank you Bob Amstadt, Steve Lawson and >all the people who will help develop it) >Long Live the Repeater (and all who have developed it) >Long Live all the incredible live looping hardware and software solutions >that have made our community so strong and creatively vital. > >The more instruments we have.........the more diversity they >represent............the stronger our community will be. > >yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 14:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4833BEF6; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Thread-Index; b=zdpPfxzM1OzKDHygA61V4fSH/LNTXFNsOU4IlKyECyK1Gb8NOOChhtw/kfN+ZFyhJbcHbxQgBfdj6k+P8VjFvj2jyIgbe28w0Txi1KkHxxLAjJx3c7erjjDqrfxcMRtQR6YI42aFL68GCqIkUs4FZ422TrS1lDPO4RifkLluiio= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:28:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060121172806.02814c10@tiscali.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYetIyxS/oXQ2sUSdGz7LWa4nVqNQD0BHzA Message-Id: <20060126142830.E58E53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:28:32 +0000 (UTC) there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=4 6 m. -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss US Web site . . . > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 Slightly more info on the UK site http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=RC50 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 14:30:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98B873BEFE; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:25:45 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Zoom G2 - first impressions To: Shayne Cafferata , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009a01c62285$25772d80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <43D85659.4000501@sasktel.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Yo Shane! Good writing! Do more! I am of the same mind about the Zoom G2. It was sent to me for a potential review that never happened, and I plugged it in maybe twice for 15 minutes at a time, and it just didn't engage me. You articulated that disengagement very, very well. On the other hand, I think you'll love the DD-20. When you can afford it, buy two, and you'll haave four channels of deep looping for under $400. Welcome to the community. dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:28:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44E9A3BEF0; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eNaoxDMu2egLKtIAX5WmMEBmJ6OHb4IiEbb3DEve3KmHROTvW/Oawg+fQ29QcutT31xW3FuQ5JImYDlADesay0TEGrc8KOppvP7M7ZhC4DPcnEsWK1LJ4+m2Rao5I0jMFhnqD/M6ckrghKLeyQJZv7dr621du0rzBF+B9bY26w0= ; Message-ID: <20060126152857.16592.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:28:57 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060126142830.E58E53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:28:59 +0000 (UTC) This has got to be the worst demonstration of a device,pure masturbation! --- murkie wrote: > there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=4 > 6 > > m. > > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 > > > >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss > US Web site . . . > > > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 > > Slightly more info on the UK site > > http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=RC50 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:31:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0BA3BEF5; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lDYVR4WG1M7H/jiG++qdbjLSX6BzDdLANfKJr113JvTPLjuvxHhAyNC9m1XgKMl/vE8LqtrTE9db9GpyZaR5pGqt8WLcM4/97f6wVUrAGFx6M/GQhs8XB4ws52GuqapSlEFnuTbCvM5dUbELyuqPYX97NaygfK9X/gHloGaKZq0= ; Message-ID: <20060126153135.44242.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:31:35 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c6227e$62efbc60$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) is just getting closer and closer to what we have all been waiting for...but perhaps when perfection comes we wont feel like looping anymore:-) --- "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: > Great reflections, Claude !! > > We want more, more, more > not sure what to use it for > > T. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "claude voit" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE > was: edp R.I.P ...long > live the looperlative > > > > Musicians > > Please ask yourself !! > > how come will I be suddenly more creative and a > better musician, more > > sexy, more powerfull because this new looper > machine is in town?? > > Why are those new words in this new manual more > valuable than those in the > > old one (that I never went thru anyway). > > will I have more ideas of what to do with my new > toy (besides trying all > > the functions)? > > really? > > Is looking at a new display make your notes and > rythm new ? > > how long will it take to fill those 8 tracks with > musik 8min 10 minutes? > > is it allowed to be boring on stage? > > can you handle the technical pressure of managing > 8 tracks and remember > > where goes what, and what is on track 6 ? > > and still be present to your audience? > > is shoe gazing bad for your spine? > > is there joy in repetition? > > > > Have a nice day > > > > Claude > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:31:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D21063BF02; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YdgdZqPztsRS/iSz7bgPqE8Dc3EQCKpINsX/oBMi6fpbamR0VjWDbFDMtaoH77wPSlGlfZ+XIJq+o8sOMC2FHFJmz1+8V2Lpd0Isl5sCRCQNrdLkazRAZZVrgWNsn5+On9XRtmUIA6IayXbdx9kdXMX5LZUoo7cODazO12XtDe8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601260731l475bfaa4r29d4530ab9b6ab06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:31:36 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20060126152857.16592.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060126142830.E58E53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060126152857.16592.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC) In that case I hope the RC-50 is splash-proof. On 1/26/06, Luis Angulo wrote: > This has got to be the worst demonstration of a > device,pure masturbation! > > --- murkie wrote: > > > there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > > > > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=3D772&Paren= tId=3D4 > > 6 > > > > m. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:39 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 > > > > > > >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the Boss > > US Web site . . . > > > > > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=3D1&tmp=3D155 > > > > Slightly more info on the UK site > > > > > http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=3DRC50 > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 15:58:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BED3BEF1; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060126152857.16592.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060126152857.16592.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:55:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:58:16 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 26, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > This has got to be the worst demonstration of a > device,pure masturbation! Bad playing, bad tone, bad music, bad demonstration--but pretty cool device. That's my reaction. ;) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 16:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8023BF05; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1138291521!49530975!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D30@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: iKey recording interface impressions Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:05:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C62292.4E251320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:05:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62292.4E251320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Here are my impressions of the "ikey" usb recording interface/ device that was a list subject a couple weeks back.....<< cheers for this paul. my own experience with it, & I paid probably twice as much because I'm in the UK, is that it works fine with my 1Gb memory stick but craps out about halfway up a 2Gb stick. I have been using it with it's mains adaptor & noticed that it gets very hot underneath (this is the i-buddy, not the adaptor) when doing so. (no batteries on board at this stage- I know what you were thinking!) with batteries, it stays cool, but it still doesn't fill the 2Gb stick, & the fioles that are on there are corrupted. I am using it in wav mode exclusively so far. my suspicion is that the 2Gb stick would've worked better if I hadn't deleted a bunch of software that was on there when I got it. it works ok with a pc, however, without all this crap, so I don't know quite what the problem is yet. still, 1Gb is fine for most purposes. d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62292.4E251320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: iKey recording interface impressions

>>Here are my impressions of the = "ikey" usb recording interface/ device that was a list = subject a couple weeks back.....<<

cheers for this paul. my own experience with it, = & I paid probably twice as much because I'm in the UK, is that it = works fine with my 1Gb memory stick but craps out about halfway up a = 2Gb stick. I have been using it with it's mains adaptor & noticed = that it gets very hot underneath (this is the i-buddy, not the adaptor) = when doing so. (no batteries on board at this stage- I know what you = were thinking!)

with batteries, it stays cool, but it still doesn't = fill the 2Gb stick, & the fioles that are on there are = corrupted.

I am using it in wav mode exclusively so far. my = suspicion is that the 2Gb stick would've worked better if I hadn't = deleted a bunch of software that was on there when I got it. it works = ok with a pc, however, without all this crap, so I don't know quite = what the problem is yet.

still, 1Gb is fine for most purposes.

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C62292.4E251320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 16:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 638873BF0E; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D8F637.1010309@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:17:59 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: interesting web site References: <015b01c62265$c91d26d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <015b01c62265$c91d26d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2UbrVD.A.8eF.7UP2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Fabio Anile wrote: > There's no looping content, but it's interesting > http://www.ashesandsnow.org/ > Intense. Rich-thought/feeling. Sort of Baraka. Reaching for the sky... David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:02:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 139B23BEFF; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zHt/henFwd4f2R1itoc0t+h0Hk8f7a9oCbC3h9kI2KdY2iXYd+Zsd0aGUc2edSf4EVdlO8qp0QYuIxT1FZG1vrSvRnEBZIbAZUbyavM5bRBIEEm7lMF3ErL2VGl+1/ph5/weJurifYvpvMaKna8IqESBlXQQ3o3ZhtQ9hjE+n0g= ; Message-ID: <20060126170204.22023.qmail@web34907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: OT: multi-effects To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1199517808-1138294924=:20578" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:02:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-1199517808-1138294924=:20578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm interested in getting my hands on a multi-effects pedal. I've gone through Harmony Central but I'm frustrated because I couldn't sort the reviews by the overall ranking. Anybody know of a decent and reputable website that has that feature? ted harms. --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-1199517808-1138294924=:20578 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm interested in getting my hands on a multi-effects pedal.  I've gone through Harmony Central but I'm frustrated because I couldn't sort the reviews by the overall ranking.
 
Anybody know of a decent and reputable website that has that feature?
 
 
ted harms.

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Mail. --0-1199517808-1138294924=:20578-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:17:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59B63BED8; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bUc9QQnXVZCD2IN+/mFpI/KTaARkmwOoOTCNhgjF/kj2MSu9nonP6XKvTCzBMjKe8vyyVltEyVd+GB87okthnK7ahvGE/bza7LHhjw0iC41B/po49HZs/mD3g3VuiyKxLfdfkrkSHt9WzHP4GsGUhmWJS+to2mzh2ZAmM3ZL3v8= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601260917m74f0ce40icda61a1c8e3bf846@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:17:03 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... In-Reply-To: <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20060125112138.0123ec00@mail02.powweb.com> <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Several things: 0. Bob is not running a for-profit business but a hobby business.=20 It's not expected to do much more than break even. 1. Bob did the research part for free because he likes the material. 2. It's often easier to be a one-man organization as you can jettison all the "having to communicate with other employees" baggage and just work. The amount of time I spend listening or talking to other people as opposed to writing programs is just staggering. 3. If Bob makes them himself on a "limited production" scale at a higher price point then he can actually make money on them. I have high hopes for this unit. The only reason I wouldn't see him selling many hundreds of units over a few years is that people might just decide to go for a computer and be done with it (and get all the other stuff too). But if this works as advertised, it'll beat a computer hollow for this one specific purpose... On 1/26/06, Luis Angulo wrote: > I am curious, if Electrix and Gibson had problems > supporting this devices for financial reasons how is > Bob financing all of this being a one man company??? > > --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > At 2006.01.25 11:18 AM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net > > wrote: > > >Well, people are always whining about Electrix. > > Guess they didn't sell > > >enough product to make a go of it. > > > > > >A company needs to move product to stay in business > > and continue to > > >"upgrade the product and add add'l functionality" > > via the ethernet > > >connector on the unit. > > > > Bob doesn't appear to be looking at it like big > > business. Here's a quote > > from him in the looperlative forum: > > "I have not quit my day job. I don't need any income > > from this company to > > live on, but I would at least like it to earn enough > > to cover all the > > expenses that went in to developing the product." > > > > > > >Heck, a grand for an EDP is expensive. How may > > people are going to pop for > > >$1500? > > > > Probably enough to keep Bob's attention. > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:21:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DECAE3BEE6; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060126170204.22023.qmail@web34907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060126170204.22023.qmail@web34907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <983DD0CD-BD53-45CB-8556-6CE37DEA57CD@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: multi-effects Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:21:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:21:53 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jan 2006, at 18.02, ditch wrestler wrote: > I'm interested in getting my hands on a multi-effects pedal. I've > gone through Harmony Central but I'm frustrated because I couldn't > sort the reviews by the overall ranking. If it can be a rack device as well as "a pedal" I can recommend the TC Electronix FireworX. That is if you want the usual effects and freedom to chain them up the way you like. Especially a ring modulator is very cool and also the way you can assign MIDI expression pedals to "play" sound parameters. I'm plugging electric guitars into mine and the level is fine for that (not recommendable if you want normal amp sound though). > Anybody know of a decent and reputable website that has that feature? Sorry I don't. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:23:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4C13BF0C; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r+x/tnFnNE9FWPcI19cBdHnGAv+3CoARs7eaqR0SMYYNX2CuVnshclHdQHdl1QDSEe07Dy60js9gzW5O7F1QLRV5+AmQrmyEy5TORF0KQ2AGgVsNQlzkQ3/IpFMj9r/nzmqiEIVcmzRcGywDrxMZq3J0g+79IC6ehKk0XlXx/Rg= Message-ID: <64b81a780601260923y555fc81er66aa0a80a7513844@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:23:17 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm In-Reply-To: <005801c62211$d21333a0$95eca344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <005801c62211$d21333a0$95eca344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Or phasers, can't remember the standard Boss colors. The voice of Capt. Kirk rings in my mind...."Set phaser banks to stun!" And then, of course Scotty replies, "I'm givin' her all she's got Captain!" :) On 1/25/06, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Or, someone had 100 Boss Flangers (I think that's what they are) and deci= ded > to put them to some good use. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm > > > > this picture looks TOTALLY photoshop > > i'll believe (and likely buy) it when I see it. > > > > Graham > > > > >From: "David Kirkdorffer" > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: new EH looper pic from Namm > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:37:51 -0500 > > > > > >This picture is pure art!!! > > > > > >http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1918.jpg > > > > > >David > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Legion" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:25 AM > > >Subject: new EH looper pic from Namm > > > > > > > > from: http://blog.retrosynth.net/> > > > > http://www.retrosynth.com/slideshow/namm_2006/IMG_1843.jpg> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 480BB3BEEA; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <656e74ca958d1951905b4c5f904975ae@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:27:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:21 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 26, 2006, at 3:09 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > I am curious, if Electrix and Gibson had problems > supporting this devices for financial reasons how is > Bob financing all of this being a one man company??? electrix's problems all stem from having completely unreasonable goals vis a vis CF memory implementation, LPA, intelligent tempo finding, etc. gibson's problems are well-discussed in the archives of this list. you'll find they have absolutely nothing to do with wether people would buy it or not. if you remember there was a period of time when they simply would not pay the outsourced supplier for the EDPs which were contracted to be delivered. gibson's problem in supporting the device is really non-existant at this time, other than an inability to see that it needed to updated. you may be surprised to see what one guy can do in his basement. check out the boutique synthesis market ... _plenty_ of that over there. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 17:27:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EABCF3BEF8; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O4goICJYKaeR6zJsWadQw5RFQj4Axq2HfcqAkCZG8h/hwHfEK+14Kvha76slNvSIA/s4r5VBbeSVWJPKITeLGPdwhEdZk4dfjj4BzumqRrvKHni+Gc3CaxaclwGnEu47+RvskSWYt4sWRALNqRJTRmUdXiAizyZaCRL0s7AMHKg= Message-ID: <64b81a780601260927t1c8479e3m6f2a275c19f30e7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:27:42 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative In-Reply-To: <011c01c62262$d306b790$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <011c01c62262$d306b790$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: <6kT76.A.qqB.UaQ2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Check out On 1/26/06, Fabio Anile wrote: > > > Hi loopers, > I was out of this list for a month so I've surely lost informations about > this new looper, that seems very interesting, as shown by Steve. > Could someone of you describe, in a simple and clear list, the new > Looperlative features ? > Thanks > > Fabio Anile > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=3Dquick= url > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Nota di riservatezza : Il presente messaggio, corredato dei relativi > allegati, contiene informazioni da considerarsi strettamente riservate, e= d =E8 > destinato esclusivamente al destinatario sopra indicato, il quale =E8 l'u= nico > autorizzato ad usarlo, copiarlo e, sotto la propria responsabilit=E0, > diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse questo messaggio per errore o comunque lo > leggesse senza esserne legittimato =E8 avvertito che trattenerlo, copiarl= o, > divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone diverse dal destinatario =E8 severamen= te > proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo immediatamente al mittente > distruggendone l'originale. Grazie. > > > Confidentiality Notice : This message, together with its annexes, contain= s > information to be deemed strictly confidential and is destined only to th= e > addressee(s) identified above who only may use, copy and, under his/their > responsibility, further disseminate it. If anyone received this message b= y > mistake or reads it without entitlement is forewarned that keeping, copyi= ng, > disseminating or distributing this message to persons other than the > addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and is asked to transmit it immediatel= y > to the sender and to erase the original message received. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:04:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434BB3BF10; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KAB2Z2EOCFIUtKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126180045.0284d420@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:02:47 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Boss RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20060126172320.39BFD3BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060126172320.39BFD3BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:04:31 +0000 (UTC) >there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > >http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=46 music R.I.P ...long live the Corporate Entity. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:10:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5943BEFF; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zWnDNLbC/4e+7zUiAzCGdIGjCNlphY0wy6PHrXKGmPfoMmbMeF6XRT0VXKZYK2QsAXCxiSFZRAxWxdm9/GCXGwuGftUKuyjIhH1BmyTTHlrS98AFBTRUp3pxFV6NeDc/75McTUzZlM8uxoo2A8Mp5+iNklR8HvSznUjwm73Fkkg= ; Message-ID: <20060126181017.29228.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: multi-effects To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20060126170204.22023.qmail@web34907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:10:18 +0000 (UTC) I checked them all out at one point because I was tired of having a MIDI control pedal that was as big as something that actually made the sounds, and I came upon the Vox Tonelab SE. It's the closest thing I've ever found to something that feels like a bunch of cool stompboxes hooked up to a tube amp. I recommend just taking the time and reading all the reviews regardless of rank. Its fun and you'll learn about the gear and human nature. Mark --- ditch wrestler wrote: > I'm interested in getting my hands on a > multi-effects pedal. I've gone through Harmony > Central but I'm frustrated because I couldn't sort > the reviews by the overall ranking. > > Anybody know of a decent and reputable website > that has that feature? > > > ted harms. > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:15:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8761F3BF20; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:18:38 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... Message-ID: <18C6BDD20894A21B935BD8E3@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060126090954.82443.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:15:39 +0000 (UTC) > how is > Bob financing all of this being a one man company??? I have paid for all of the development out of my own pocket. I owe nothing to anybody. For this reason, I can sell small quantities and it is still worth it to me. Larger companies have investors and employees to deal with. For that reason, there is a minimum number of units that need to be sold each month to keep them viable. I don't have this requirement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7953BF29; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nW5rDfs1vh+n2SzT51tH0pj1tnYXdGLep9NOiJH6BZ/+3vqLSIyAsHY3A74KGLUiN4JrZHBGh3XNE2VFlw8xUI7tRodzhCyqD2mi0Y6cokzKPiOkYBpPn3LsNOl753EPinUhnZUQjtJAiLoeEyOGXTGEIgF6kUQNKL+9wS4CKjQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601260924h1854ec1ata61285eccf2c3a8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:24:38 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping impro posted (solo flute/Mobius) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:16:43 +0000 (UTC) This is the nicest thing I've heard in a while. I find myself listening again and again. Very, very nice. On 1/25/06, David Trenkel wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 02:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Playing a flute through my FireworX into M=F6bius laptop. Added a drum > > loop afterwards. This is just a wild and unprepared improvisation, but > > I like that annoying cut-up feel when matched with "Peaceful Pad" > > stuff ;-) And also that the moods do imply a lot that never actually > > happens. Often I find it difficult to play that way because I tend to > > run into harmonic melodies too quickly (guess I need to > > "un-musicianize myself ;-) > > > > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam4mix.mp3 > > > > > > Very nice track! Not only is the looping very sophisticated, but the > piece so musical that I don't care how it was done. Great work! > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E059B3BF35; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43D8F637.1010309@Hevanet.com> References: <015b01c62265$c91d26d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <43D8F637.1010309@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2FBCB7B7-A97F-4F60-AB7A-3F6ED477A0C8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: interesting web site Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:16:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:16:43 +0000 (UTC) > Fabio Anile wrote: > >> There's no looping content, but it's interesting >> http://www.ashesandsnow.org/ Beautiful! JThanks for posting the link. Goes directly into my bookmark list ;-)) Another site I sometimes like dwelling at is http://www.oculart.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:17:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 695833BF3B; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q4eS1FLbfiD6s2EfVJWbGvHYPDbYgWnnnl4cEyQbPHCb1qCb7Xis3EbqcpSbNdVng4yE17oeCafewxtxvIEmQEBCD8Z1WBji9zww1gnxF38kra/9K+UF90TBQmUYLBHKugctdhFNsDxWWgk/sLEdGiamhXysrX9IITx7mrIIcrY= ; Message-ID: <20060126181716.50766.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Re Looperlative demo online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-85294754-1138299436=:50381" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-85294754-1138299436=:50381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yea thats true...the e-bow works on any strings,but...ive found there are sweet spots on every instument i play with and i tend to play around these areas.and to me any bass with more than four on the floor is multi-stringed.i was thinking a big ass neck with about 10 strings from a low b to high strings i could chord six deep and manipulate like a chapman stick.you have inspired me to wonder about such things sir,thank you, scary. Steve Lawson wrote: >>>good work. a multi stringed bass seems to be very versitile for soundscapes.can you only get e-bow action on a few strings.i can oly get the b's to ring upon command on my 12 strings,well 11 strings to be exact(no high g).nice stuff. scary.<<<<] Thanks - the Ebow will work on any string, it just takes practice... The term 'multi-stringed bass' has always confused me - surely any bass with more than one string is a 'multi stringed bass'? cheers! :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-85294754-1138299436=:50381 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yea thats true...the e-bow works on any strings,but...ive found there are sweet spots on every instument i play with and i tend to play around these areas.and to me any bass with more than four on the floor is multi-stringed.i was thinking a big ass neck with about 10 strings from a low b to high strings i could chord six deep and manipulate like a chapman stick.you have inspired me to wonder about such things sir,thank you,
                     scary.

Steve Lawson <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk> wrote:
>>>good work. a multi stringed bass seems to be very versitile for
soundscapes.can you only get e-bow action on a few strings.i can oly
get the b's to ring upon command on my 12 strings,well 11 strings to
be exact(no high g).nice stuff.
scary.<<<<]


Thanks - the Ebow will work on any string, it just takes practice...

The term 'multi-stringed bass' has always confused me - surely any
bass with more than one string is a 'multi stringed bass'?

cheers! :o)

Steve
www.stevelawson.net - site
www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop
http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog




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Mail. --0-85294754-1138299436=:50381-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:17:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CA273BF3D; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:20:50 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Message-ID: <2C18C6AB9F02E20D594F4243@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:17:48 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree with Rick. I'm not trying to kill anything. I love the EDP and the Repeater. Each has something unique to offer to the community. I would love to see all of these products continue to be available. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AECAA3BED8; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AvPHIt07lxnpQ/CoH+Ho8O77mUbl0sPslCvnuQkjqs27aoQS4TmIqgbIx6txD0ROH5SsBXpr7iAqMmrDi9bYgN0FH5eLVEcO2KU5F22aHra8W4F0PgB7vyVGJtIA9lzT9ncPskAyqwMfPlLY70nLYHWHHvzyfeDQVmzN6c3/Tko= ; Message-ID: <20060126182657.36419.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80601260731l475bfaa4r29d4530ab9b6ab06@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:26:58 +0000 (UTC) I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting mastrubation in my day... though that was definately not it. Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm surprised you expected any different. On the subject of the device itself, it's one feature way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback control The end. Why can't they comprehend this over at Roland? Mark --- David Morton wrote: > In that case I hope the RC-50 is splash-proof. > > On 1/26/06, Luis Angulo > wrote: > > This has got to be the worst demonstration of a > > device,pure masturbation! > > > > --- murkie wrote: > > > > > there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > > > > > > > > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=4 > > > 6 > > > > > > m. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:39 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 > > > > > > > > > >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the > Boss > > > US Web site . . . > > > > > > > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 > > > > > > Slightly more info on the UK site > > > > > > > > > http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=RC50 > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70FCA3BF32; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,221,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="755955175:sNHT16758412" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060126182657.36419.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060126182657.36419.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3329C6DF-151D-49EA-A2BE-1AE14CCEEB82@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:31:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6J060D.A.2tE.vVR2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Dear Mark: Most loopers just want backing tracks so they don't have to make friends with other musicians. It's kind of like filming yourself so you can watch it while you masturbate. Now I've gone and made myself queasy. Thanks a bunch, guy. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:26 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting > mastrubation in my day... though that was definately > not it. > > Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm surprised > you expected any different. > > On the subject of the device itself, it's one feature > way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback > control The end. Why can't they comprehend this over > at Roland? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4203BF40; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F2AZVdfiCXXjh6n7XwKjAkFZI11gRvgioMsJ2NwY3eih+J40zxTs5kmV00ROfhL7q+GA6b64XPjThHkVHJQLAoUmO+OopPZ/Jn5v/5jFFGLJil2d0BhiEPEBUJnZXdNM1Nqq2V5cvlBcpq0LTimSxrvw1n647tizNhkEnAfIqkg= ; Message-ID: <20060126183626.7252.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-861818224-1138300586=:4713" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:36:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-861818224-1138300586=:4713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yea your right rick i dont know if was ranting with that title or trying to ruffel feathers.there would be no looperlative without the hard work of the creators of the edp.i am just gifted in fanning the fires of controversy.it how my criminal mind works.i wont be able to afford edp or looperlative,so for me the rc50 is crowned king of my world.sometimes i stir the pot too much.sorry. scary. "loop.pool" wrote: I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: I had the distinct pleasure of helping Steve to debut the Looperlative at NAMM and can say that I'm very excited about the prospects and the future growth of this amazing instrument. I've only had one in working order for less than two weeks and it is really an amazing and groundbreaking looper. Many thanks to Bob Amstadt for creating it and having the open minded and serving attitude that he has about it's just beginning group of loyal users. Thanks also to Steve for a wonderful video introduction to the unit. I learned a few things from his presentation. That being said and done, I think it does great disservice to this community to have a thread titled edp R.I.P.............long live the looperlative. I have to go on record and say that I love the EDP! It is an astonishing and completely unique digital instrument: one that is so complex that I"m still learning how to use it. It has created a lot of unprecedented musical innovation in this community and in the world at large. I can't imagine the very, very beautiful and sophisticate musics of Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler and Matthias Grob (to name just a few) without this instrument. And just like the Stratocaster, the Les Paul and some state of the art Digital Modelling Guitar..................or like the MAC, the PC or the hardware based solutions for live looping: It's hard to compare apples and oranges. The EDP is an amazing and very, very deep instrument..........................it doesn't do what the Looperlative can do but by the same token, the Looperlative will probably never have the same feature sets that the EDP has or the Repeater has..........................they are different instruments. I've had many, many offlist letters from loopers saying 'Should I dump my EDP and buy a Looperlative" and I have answered everyone with the same answer: "Save up and buy a Looperlative, you'll be glad you did, but hang on to your EDP................. it does uniquely what no other looper has done and it will always have musical value as such. I am a proud user and endorser of the Looperlative (and just learning it). I've been a proud endorser and user of the EDP (and still learning it) and , for all of it's flaws, I am a proud user of the Electrix Repeater and the Line 6 DL-4, stomp box looper. One instrument doesn't have to die for another to live. One style of music doesn't have languish in order for another to thrive. Long Live the EDP (and thank you Matthias, Kim Flint, Andy Butler, Claude Voit and all of the amazing people who produced it). Long Live the Looperlative (and thank you Bob Amstadt, Steve Lawson and all the people who will help develop it) Long Live the Repeater (and all who have developed it) Long Live all the incredible live looping hardware and software solutions that have made our community so strong and creatively vital. The more instruments we have.........the more diversity they represent............the stronger our community will be. yours, Rick Walker --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-861818224-1138300586=:4713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yea your right rick i dont know if was ranting with that title or trying to ruffel feathers.there would be no looperlative without the hard work of the creators of the edp.i am just gifted in fanning the fires of controversy.it how my criminal mind works.i wont be able to afford edp or looperlative,so for me the rc50 is crowned king of my world.sometimes i stir the pot too much.sorry.
                                scary.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone:

I had the distinct pleasure of helping Steve to debut the Looperlative at
NAMM
and can say that I'm very excited about the prospects and the future growth
of this amazing instrument.

I've only had one in working order for less than two weeks and it is really
an amazing
and groundbreaking looper. Many thanks to Bob Amstadt for creating it and
having
the open minded and serving attitude that he has about it's just beginning
group of loyal
users. Thanks also to Steve for a wonderful video introduction to the
unit. I learned a few things
from his presentation.


That being said and done, I think it does great disservice to this
community to have a thread
titled edp R.I.P.............long live the looperlative.


I have to go on record and say that I love the EDP! It is an astonishing
and completely unique digital instrument:
one that is so complex that I"m still learning how to use it. It has
created a lot of unprecedented musical
innovation in this community and in the world at large. I can't imagine
the very, very beautiful and sophisticate musics
of Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler and Matthias Grob (to name just a few) without
this instrument.

And just like the Stratocaster, the Les Paul and some state of the art
Digital Modelling Guitar..................or like
the MAC, the PC or the hardware based solutions for live looping: It's
hard to compare apples and oranges.

The EDP is an amazing and very, very deep
instrument..........................it doesn't do what the Looperlative can
do
but by the same token, the Looperlative will probably never have the same
feature sets that the EDP has or the Repeater
has..........................they are different instruments.

I've had many, many offlist letters from loopers saying 'Should I dump my
EDP and buy a Looperlative" and I have answered
everyone with the same answer: "Save up and buy a Looperlative, you'll be
glad you did, but hang on to your EDP.................
it does uniquely what no other looper has done and it will always have
musical value as such.

I am a proud user and endorser of the Looperlative (and just learning it).
I've been a proud endorser and user of the EDP (and still learning it) and
, for all of it's flaws, I am a proud user of the Electrix Repeater and the
Line 6 DL-4, stomp box looper.

One instrument doesn't have to die for another to live. One style of music
doesn't have languish in order for another to thrive.

Long Live the EDP (and thank you Matthias, Kim Flint, Andy Butler, Claude
Voit and all of the amazing people who produced it).
Long Live the Looperlative (and thank you Bob Amstadt, Steve Lawson and all
the people who will help develop it)
Long Live the Repeater (and all who have developed it)
Long Live all the incredible live looping hardware and software solutions
that have made our community so strong and creatively vital.

The more instruments we have.........the more diversity they
represent............the stronger our community will be.

yours, Rick Walker


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Mail. --0-861818224-1138300586=:4713-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:43:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12D793BEFC; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v91D5YfFRukbocj4xWtOHUHrc0TilJRDle4rnZuGCHy9YtM5FtPieDDfVMtp00wpEC/Wz/XeX/2lprzvFyec4h6UF+Wx2pkfx4pV2h/sfCMe63bxeGs++xcgoSHCak5UFSSupYnQ8q1DQFbSodJ5ePNXFb4sgICYL0BPchm9Fb4= ; Message-ID: <20060126184324.44313.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060126153135.44242.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:43:26 +0000 (UTC) That's all silly. We're not talking about a market like synths and guitars where there are thousands and thousands of choices, we're talking about dedicated hardware loopers of which there are a handful. Perhaps people who's focus isn't looping are happy with what's currently on the market, but those of us who live by it have ideas of what they want to do but are frustrated by what's currently available. (like Bob) Luckily there are those of us who are technically adept that can bring us new tools like the Looperlative. Mark --- Luis Angulo wrote: > is just getting closer and closer to what we have > all > been waiting for...but perhaps when perfection comes > we wont feel like looping anymore:-) > > --- "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: > > > Great reflections, Claude !! > > > > We want more, more, more > > not sure what to use it for > > > > T. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "claude voit" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:26 PM > > Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the > LOOPERLATIVE > > was: edp R.I.P ...long > > live the looperlative > > > > > > > Musicians > > > Please ask yourself !! > > > how come will I be suddenly more creative and a > > better musician, more > > > sexy, more powerfull because this new looper > > machine is in town?? > > > Why are those new words in this new manual more > > valuable than those in the > > > old one (that I never went thru anyway). > > > will I have more ideas of what to do with my new > > toy (besides trying all > > > the functions)? > > > really? > > > Is looking at a new display make your notes and > > rythm new ? > > > how long will it take to fill those 8 tracks > with > > musik 8min 10 minutes? > > > is it allowed to be boring on stage? > > > can you handle the technical pressure of > managing > > 8 tracks and remember > > > where goes what, and what is on track 6 ? > > > and still be present to your audience? > > > is shoe gazing bad for your spine? > > > is there joy in repetition? > > > > > > Have a nice day > > > > > > Claude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529CC3BF02; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16548236.1138301207489.JavaMail.root@web15> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:46:47 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 Cc: mark sottilaro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:46:53 +0000 (UTC) I thought that was a guy from Y2K5! Hehehe.... ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting > mastrubation in my day... though that was definately > not it. > > Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm surprised > you expected any different. > > On the subject of the device itself, it's one feature > way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback > control The end. Why can't they comprehend this over > at Roland? > > Mark > > --- David Morton wrote: > > > In that case I hope the RC-50 is splash-proof. > > > > On 1/26/06, Luis Angulo > > wrote: > > > This has got to be the worst demonstration of a > > > device,pure masturbation! > > > > > > --- murkie wrote: > > > > > > > there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=4 > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > m. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:39 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on the > > Boss > > > > US Web site . . . > > > > > > > > > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 > > > > > > > > Slightly more info on the UK site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=RC50 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 18:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13DD03BF26; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.51.195.21] X-Originating-Email: [mhayungs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhayungs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <16548236.1138301207489.JavaMail.root@web15> From: "michael hayungs" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI pedal Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:59:00 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 18:59:00.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[919FC6F0:01C622AA] Resent-Message-ID: <9J6VZB.A.ASG.2vR2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:59:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking a for a compact midi pedal similar to the Behringer BC 1010 but smaller, like 8 buttons max. I want to use it to trigger samples from a Sampler so it needs to send note on/off signals. Anyone know of anything? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:07:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9708B3BF38; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:07:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nJUdx1joNiE304i1FLsdP6SwKZ79Cb6F98gVoT+lJ/6MTWjr4ZWbpGNHknfUi1ODUkWn6xmo6PlhQmm4AMtqvcjNkMLjc74hnTPEB8bJ1155/uHziT2ukzXm684ZY05vdZV/svcbOIOOYZd0DJ4+z0UqpRi+jy2rhh+PdJ47PRg= ; Message-ID: <20060126190727.24447.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3329C6DF-151D-49EA-A2BE-1AE14CCEEB82@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-361143016-1138302447=:23817" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:07:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-361143016-1138302447=:23817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit have you ever seen the movie HENRY"portrait of a serial killer"?now that will make ya queasy...i was vegan for a month... scary Kelly Coyle wrote: Dear Mark: Most loopers just want backing tracks so they don't have to make friends with other musicians. It's kind of like filming yourself so you can watch it while you masturbate. Now I've gone and made myself queasy. Thanks a bunch, guy. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:26 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting > mastrubation in my day... though that was definately > not it. > > Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm surprised > you expected any different. > > On the subject of the device itself, it's one feature > way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback > control The end. Why can't they comprehend this over > at Roland? > > Mark --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-361143016-1138302447=:23817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
have you ever seen the movie HENRY"portrait of a serial killer"?now that will make ya queasy...i was vegan for a month...
                                  scary


Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> wrote:
Dear Mark:

Most loopers just want backing tracks so they don't have to make
friends with other musicians. It's kind of like filming yourself so
you can watch it while you masturbate.

Now I've gone and made myself queasy. Thanks a bunch, guy.






-----
Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net
Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/


On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:26 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:

> I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting
> mastrubation in my day... though that was definately
> not it.
>
> Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm surprised
> you expected any different.
>
> On the subject of the device itself, it's one feature
> way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback
> control The end. Why can't they comprehend this over
> at Roland?
>
> Mark


Bring words and photos together (easily) with
PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --0-361143016-1138302447=:23817-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:20:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13623BF0C; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1138303212!32952568!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D38@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:mystery bosses (was new EH looper pic from Namm) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:20:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C622AD.85BF4830" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:20:15 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C622AD.85BF4830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Or phasers, can't remember the standard Boss colors.<< here:- http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/about/en/ there's a "history" tab which opens into an animated strip with all the pedals they ever made, & a little review tucked away for each one. I had no idea my "slow gear" was so old..... & my cs-1 is positively ancient. they had 1992 off, by the look of it. anyway, I thought the 100 pedals in the picture must be dimension-C's because they appear to have more than the usual number of led's & less than the usual number of knobs. well, I remembered it wrong & the dimension-C only has one (red) led.... or the light might be catching them oddly. where the heck did they get a hundred of them from? andy summers' garden shed? so it's back to square(pusher) one. anyone remember the thread where we tried to identify tom's dbx units? :-) d. (trying to look busy at work) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C622AD.85BF4830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE:mystery bosses (was new EH looper pic from Namm)

>>Or phasers, can't remember the standard Boss = colors.<<

here:-

http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/about/en/

there's a "history" tab which opens into an = animated strip with all the pedals they ever made, & a little = review tucked away for each one. I had no idea my "slow gear" = was so old..... & my cs-1 is positively ancient. they had 1992 off, = by the look of it.

anyway, I thought the 100 pedals in the picture must = be dimension-C's because they appear to have more than the usual number = of led's & less than the usual number of knobs. well, I remembered = it wrong & the dimension-C only has one (red) led.... or the light = might be catching them oddly.

where the heck did they get a hundred of them from? = andy summers' garden shed?

so it's back to square(pusher) one.
anyone remember the thread where we tried to = identify tom's dbx units?  :-)

d. (trying to look busy at work)

------_=_NextPart_001_01C622AD.85BF4830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:23:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84D653BF16; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NHxITiXGeitAdoFDZyhFwknR4DnPyVEF2bgOXMZqQjnLfV/hh126TA3inibDMU8H7jgBIa2/+I+2u+Flk+19BbBSgwpWAKSRaNKZGMIr5QK3MLIE6QgQMwqqQdQEa+IOUg6lN9QwW+v4A25je6ni00ZuRr3SI/G3DVr0SUW9Kus= ; Message-ID: <20060126192316.49349.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: test To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D02@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:23:17 +0000 (UTC) hmm i seem to have stopped getting loopers messages. either that or you guys are all hung over from NAMM? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5303BF0B; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EA8t+rhyVp8e9gsuS/ER+sxx6r5SH59UW7BAT5eVWLH7jtKle3fEG+NQSbWY9/F7WQT9LOSXkWDbmSXOMUDrMcGTbfldyKMtLl3Ovhq+fq0SxX0X5+AgeYBMXt87qo4SemhrzrMRfksgVWlVc6giAQVV5zpBsRkgYzyYNexq0xE= ; Message-ID: <20060126194640.15858.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18C6BDD20894A21B935BD8E3@[192.168.1.149]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0zXuNB.A.7hC.gcS2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:46:41 +0000 (UTC) that is admirable man, my blessings for making such a wonderful product available! cheers Luis --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > > how is > > Bob financing all of this being a one man > company??? > > I have paid for all of the development out of my own > pocket. I owe nothing > to anybody. For this reason, I can sell small > quantities and it is still > worth it to me. Larger companies have investors and > employees to deal > with. For that reason, there is a minimum number of > units that need to be > sold each month to keep them viable. I don't have > this requirement. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3B103BF29; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:47:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 454, in=209622, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Well said, Rick. I can't speak for anyone else but myself here, but below are the reasons why I am seriously considering selling my two EDPs and controller (soon and for a decent price) and buying a Looperlative (and it's not just because it's the newest and sexiest looping device in the market and I'm being seduced by its novelty). Maybe these points will resonate well with some of you out there, not sure. 1. Ever since I bought my EDPs, I have been frustrated by the fact that they are mono, and thus running stereo takes up two rack spaces. I have a bad back, and even underwent back surgery over the holidays, and anything I can do to reduce my rack size and weight is a plus. The EDPs aren't exactly light either. The fact the Looperlative is stereo and a single space is probably the #1 seller for me 2. Believe it or not, even though I do play some wild experimental and avant-garde music at times, I don't really use the full capabilities of the EDPs....I'm sort of simple-minded that way. As I told Rick in a personal email this morning, I basically use Record, Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, Half Speed, Mute, and on occasion I hit Record after Multiplying to redefine the length of a loop in order to generate a timed-signatured loop out of a non time-signatured loop. I never use quantize, substitute, or anything that requires MIDI synchronization, and I don't really feel the need to start using these features. The Looperlative seems to be able to pull off these first five or six basic EDP features, which means it will suit my needs. 3. The more I think about it, the more I believe that having 8 separate loops is more beneficial for the type of music I play, which is often very abstract or complex, involving a lot of layers, etc. Being able to control the feedback and volume of 8 separate loops would truly complement the style of music I'm trying to play. Would any of you who have heard my music agree with this? 4. I love the fact that Bob will be providing software updates for the Looperlative....I think this is really up with the times of modern technology. And the fact that I can use my computer and an Ethernet cable, I find very attractive. 5. I like the idea of being a part of the development team, as in being able to provide input and feedback that will influence the design of the product. This too, I believe, is cutting edge. 6. I can't really see myself owning both my EDPs, or even one EDP, and the Looperlative. I'm trying to simply my life and not hoard gear, not complicate it by adding more gear to my list. It's taken me 5 years to get down to a three space rack and a laptop. Anyway, that's my spiel. Now, seriously, before I put these two EDPs and controller on eBay, would anyone consider buying them? Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative >I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: [cut] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 520CA3BF3A; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:51:40 -0500 Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Thread-Index: AcYiseyPKz3JBI6lEdqvyAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:51:42 +0000 (UTC) With respect Kris, and please forgive me if I've forgotten details of your previous posts, but in the meantime you could have at least three stereo instances of sooperlooper going to replace your edp's. Per was good enough to turn me on to this, and I've been happy ever since. I would never sell my edp's and would love to try a looperlative, but at least regarding your number one concern below, I've shared it and been very happy at how I was able to solve it, thanks to jesse's program. All best, Todd On 1/26/06 2:47 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > Well said, Rick. >=20 > I can't speak for anyone else but myself here, but below are the reasons = why > I am seriously considering selling my two EDPs and controller (soon and f= or > a decent price) and buying a Looperlative (and it's not just because it's > the newest and sexiest looping device in the market and I'm being seduced= by > its novelty). Maybe these points will resonate well with some of you out > there, not sure. >=20 > 1. Ever since I bought my EDPs, I have been frustrated by the fact that t= hey > are mono, and thus running stereo takes up two rack spaces. I have a bad > back, and even underwent back surgery over the holidays, and anything I c= an > do to reduce my rack size and weight is a plus. The EDPs aren't exactly > light either. The fact the Looperlative is stereo and a single space is > probably the #1 seller for me >=20 > 2. Believe it or not, even though I do play some wild experimental and > avant-garde music at times, I don't really use the full capabilities of t= he > EDPs....I'm sort of simple-minded that way. As I told Rick in a personal > email this morning, I basically use Record, Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, H= alf > Speed, Mute, and on occasion I hit Record after Multiplying to redefine t= he > length of a loop in order to generate a timed-signatured loop out of a no= n > time-signatured loop. I never use quantize, substitute, or anything that > requires MIDI synchronization, and I don't really feel the need to start > using these features. The Looperlative seems to be able to pull off these > first five or six basic EDP features, which means it will suit my needs. >=20 > 3. The more I think about it, the more I believe that having 8 separate > loops is more beneficial for the type of music I play, which is often ver= y > abstract or complex, involving a lot of layers, etc. Being able to contro= l > the feedback and volume of 8 separate loops would truly complement the st= yle > of music I'm trying to play. Would any of you who have heard my music ag= ree > with this? >=20 > 4. I love the fact that Bob will be providing software updates for the > Looperlative....I think this is really up with the times of modern > technology. And the fact that I can use my computer and an Ethernet cable= , I > find very attractive. >=20 > 5. I like the idea of being a part of the development team, as in being a= ble > to provide input and feedback that will influence the design of the produ= ct. > This too, I believe, is cutting edge. >=20 > 6. I can't really see myself owning both my EDPs, or even one EDP, and th= e > Looperlative. I'm trying to simply my life and not hoard gear, not > complicate it by adding more gear to my list. It's taken me 5 years to ge= t > down to a three space rack and a laptop. >=20 > Anyway, that's my spiel. Now, seriously, before I put these two EDPs and > controller on eBay, would anyone consider buying them? >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:58 AM > Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long li= ve > the looperlative >=20 >=20 >> I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: >=20 > [cut]=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:53:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 954473BF4A; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aGpKN6hdQOSmYxYyIEvRC3umYt8NK+e8o3KA1oNfZMPRS242aZscjeXonwLG8PMiqeZsyx8wlJvrNkv2wXDUfE0/3ulN+aDSAD60morqWYM3Ul5ju/wofxakOfXnRv25KIKALzdmsAI0CiE7/wc28QMDFcfvUKoRVWeybqBlG34= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:53:03 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative In-Reply-To: <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) I am thinking about getting a Looperlative to use along side my EDP.=20 The EDP would than be use soley for its stuttering and more bizzare effects you can get from sus, replace, loop copy, loop windowing etc.....would be a sort of electronic percussion and have the Looperlative cover the more ambient/melodic stuff. On 1/26/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Well said, Rick. > > I can't speak for anyone else but myself here, but below are the reasons = why > I am seriously considering selling my two EDPs and controller (soon and f= or > a decent price) and buying a Looperlative (and it's not just because it's > the newest and sexiest looping device in the market and I'm being seduced= by > its novelty). Maybe these points will resonate well with some of you out > there, not sure. > > 1. Ever since I bought my EDPs, I have been frustrated by the fact that t= hey > are mono, and thus running stereo takes up two rack spaces. I have a bad > back, and even underwent back surgery over the holidays, and anything I c= an > do to reduce my rack size and weight is a plus. The EDPs aren't exactly > light either. The fact the Looperlative is stereo and a single space is > probably the #1 seller for me > > 2. Believe it or not, even though I do play some wild experimental and > avant-garde music at times, I don't really use the full capabilities of t= he > EDPs....I'm sort of simple-minded that way. As I told Rick in a personal > email this morning, I basically use Record, Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, H= alf > Speed, Mute, and on occasion I hit Record after Multiplying to redefine t= he > length of a loop in order to generate a timed-signatured loop out of a no= n > time-signatured loop. I never use quantize, substitute, or anything that > requires MIDI synchronization, and I don't really feel the need to start > using these features. The Looperlative seems to be able to pull off these > first five or six basic EDP features, which means it will suit my needs. > > 3. The more I think about it, the more I believe that having 8 separate > loops is more beneficial for the type of music I play, which is often ver= y > abstract or complex, involving a lot of layers, etc. Being able to contro= l > the feedback and volume of 8 separate loops would truly complement the st= yle > of music I'm trying to play. Would any of you who have heard my music ag= ree > with this? > > 4. I love the fact that Bob will be providing software updates for the > Looperlative....I think this is really up with the times of modern > technology. And the fact that I can use my computer and an Ethernet cable= , I > find very attractive. > > 5. I like the idea of being a part of the development team, as in being a= ble > to provide input and feedback that will influence the design of the produ= ct. > This too, I believe, is cutting edge. > > 6. I can't really see myself owning both my EDPs, or even one EDP, and th= e > Looperlative. I'm trying to simply my life and not hoard gear, not > complicate it by adding more gear to my list. It's taken me 5 years to ge= t > down to a three space rack and a laptop. > > Anyway, that's my spiel. Now, seriously, before I put these two EDPs and > controller on eBay, would anyone consider buying them? > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:58 AM > Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long li= ve > the looperlative > > > >I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: > > [cut] > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:53:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83A5B3BF52; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D928AF.3010708@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:53:19 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Kris' reasons are very similar to my own (minus the back surgery - ouch! Hope you're recovering well!) And I'm serious too - anyone want to buy 2 blondeface Gibson EDP's w/ Loop IV, and a modified EDP footcontroller that can switch between two units? Doug Kris Hartung wrote: > Well said, Rick. > > I can't speak for anyone else but myself here, but below are the > reasons why I am seriously considering selling my two EDPs and > controller (soon and for a decent price) and buying a Looperlative > (and it's not just because it's the newest and sexiest looping device > in the market and I'm being seduced by its novelty). Maybe these > points will resonate well with some of you out there, not sure. > > 1. Ever since I bought my EDPs, I have been frustrated by the fact > that they are mono, and thus running stereo takes up two rack spaces. > I have a bad back, and even underwent back surgery over the holidays, > and anything I can do to reduce my rack size and weight is a plus. The > EDPs aren't exactly light either. The fact the Looperlative is stereo > and a single space is probably the #1 seller for me > > 2. Believe it or not, even though I do play some wild experimental and > avant-garde music at times, I don't really use the full capabilities > of the EDPs....I'm sort of simple-minded that way. As I told Rick in a > personal email this morning, I basically use Record, Overdub, > Multiply, Reverse, Half Speed, Mute, and on occasion I hit Record > after Multiplying to redefine the length of a loop in order to > generate a timed-signatured loop out of a non time-signatured loop. I > never use quantize, substitute, or anything that requires MIDI > synchronization, and I don't really feel the need to start using these > features. The Looperlative seems to be able to pull off these first > five or six basic EDP features, which means it will suit my needs. > > 3. The more I think about it, the more I believe that having 8 > separate loops is more beneficial for the type of music I play, which > is often very abstract or complex, involving a lot of layers, etc. > Being able to control the feedback and volume of 8 separate loops > would truly complement the style of music I'm trying to play. Would > any of you who have heard my music agree with this? > > 4. I love the fact that Bob will be providing software updates for the > Looperlative....I think this is really up with the times of modern > technology. And the fact that I can use my computer and an Ethernet > cable, I find very attractive. > > 5. I like the idea of being a part of the development team, as in > being able to provide input and feedback that will influence the > design of the product. This too, I believe, is cutting edge. > > 6. I can't really see myself owning both my EDPs, or even one EDP, and > the Looperlative. I'm trying to simply my life and not hoard gear, not > complicate it by adding more gear to my list. It's taken me 5 years to > get down to a three space rack and a laptop. > > Anyway, that's my spiel. Now, seriously, before I put these two EDPs > and controller on eBay, would anyone consider buying them? > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:58 AM > Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long > live the looperlative > > >> I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: > > > [cut] > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:53:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113D33BF63; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sci6MIAoe6E4OtaaPFwj3bTByJzvbSzQLZidGFGvMO90lO0p7N5+aG+rhcdwlzoJEyVLLILAMDXSlF3eDArAlxinYqSu5yQgXCP5x6lDLB3ggYXARSogfJengEdfqU7DLHkxYIzHeJV2aipOi08fMrdxNa2unFNAy/UF/CUpvYQ= ; Message-ID: <20060126195324.63875.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060126182657.36419.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8WD6HD.A.RHD.0iS2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:53:25 +0000 (UTC) sorry if he happens to be anybodys favorite, no doubt he knows his scales but its so noisy u can even tell the loop from his playing for christ sake!The other goon with the long curly hair that does most of the demos for Boss cracks me up as well, but at least his demoing is a bit more clear! --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting > mastrubation in my day... though that was definately > not it. > > Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm surprised > you expected any different. > > On the subject of the device itself, it's one > feature > way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback > control The end. Why can't they comprehend this > over > at Roland? > > Mark > > --- David Morton wrote: > > > In that case I hope the RC-50 is splash-proof. > > > > On 1/26/06, Luis Angulo > > wrote: > > > This has got to be the worst demonstration of a > > > device,pure masturbation! > > > > > > --- murkie wrote: > > > > > > > there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=4 > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > m. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: a k butler > [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:39 PM > > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Subject: Re:Boss RC-50 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Looks like the Boss RC 50 is now "live" on > the > > Boss > > > > US Web site . . . > > > > > > > > > >http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=155 > > > > > > > > Slightly more info on the UK site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.roland.co.uk/guitar_room_catdet.asp?id=RC50 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 19:57:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D20B3BF5A; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fb01c622b2$c754bbe0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:57:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 452, in=205138, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:57:50 +0000 (UTC) that's right! Of course, but I'm quite happy with Mobius as a back-up software looper...which also has 8 separate loops like the Looperlative. The software things is just a whole new can of worms for me...not being able to run all my VST effects at the same time, etc....it's complicated and gives me a headache. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "todd reynolds" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative With respect Kris, and please forgive me if I've forgotten details of your previous posts, but in the meantime you could have at least three stereo instances of sooperlooper going to replace your edp's. Per was good enough to turn me on to this, and I've been happy ever since. I would never sell my edp's and would love to try a looperlative, but at least regarding your number one concern below, I've shared it and been very happy at how I was able to solve it, thanks to jesse's program. All best, Todd On 1/26/06 2:47 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > Well said, Rick. > > I can't speak for anyone else but myself here, but below are the reasons > why > I am seriously considering selling my two EDPs and controller (soon and > for > a decent price) and buying a Looperlative (and it's not just because it's > the newest and sexiest looping device in the market and I'm being seduced > by > its novelty). Maybe these points will resonate well with some of you out > there, not sure. > > 1. Ever since I bought my EDPs, I have been frustrated by the fact that > they > are mono, and thus running stereo takes up two rack spaces. I have a bad > back, and even underwent back surgery over the holidays, and anything I > can > do to reduce my rack size and weight is a plus. The EDPs aren't exactly > light either. The fact the Looperlative is stereo and a single space is > probably the #1 seller for me > > 2. Believe it or not, even though I do play some wild experimental and > avant-garde music at times, I don't really use the full capabilities of > the > EDPs....I'm sort of simple-minded that way. As I told Rick in a personal > email this morning, I basically use Record, Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, > Half > Speed, Mute, and on occasion I hit Record after Multiplying to redefine > the > length of a loop in order to generate a timed-signatured loop out of a non > time-signatured loop. I never use quantize, substitute, or anything that > requires MIDI synchronization, and I don't really feel the need to start > using these features. The Looperlative seems to be able to pull off these > first five or six basic EDP features, which means it will suit my needs. > > 3. The more I think about it, the more I believe that having 8 separate > loops is more beneficial for the type of music I play, which is often very > abstract or complex, involving a lot of layers, etc. Being able to control > the feedback and volume of 8 separate loops would truly complement the > style > of music I'm trying to play. Would any of you who have heard my music > agree > with this? > > 4. I love the fact that Bob will be providing software updates for the > Looperlative....I think this is really up with the times of modern > technology. And the fact that I can use my computer and an Ethernet cable, > I > find very attractive. > > 5. I like the idea of being a part of the development team, as in being > able > to provide input and feedback that will influence the design of the > product. > This too, I believe, is cutting edge. > > 6. I can't really see myself owning both my EDPs, or even one EDP, and the > Looperlative. I'm trying to simply my life and not hoard gear, not > complicate it by adding more gear to my list. It's taken me 5 years to get > down to a three space rack and a laptop. > > Anyway, that's my spiel. Now, seriously, before I put these two EDPs and > controller on eBay, would anyone consider buying them? > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:58 AM > Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long > live > the looperlative > > >> I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: > > [cut] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter ³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:03:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3155D3BF54; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,221,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="2059779406:sNHT20269808" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43D928AF.3010708@pdq.net> References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43D928AF.3010708@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:03:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Could you guys wait a couple of dang days? I just got my EDP up on eBay. (mine's a mint blackface with pedal; I'm probably asking too much.) It's either the Looperlative or a pair of DD20s and a pan pedal for me. If my sales (ahem) go well (EDP, Receptor -- I should write about that, shouldn't I? we had a big discussion about it last November; I'm not selling it 'cause I don't like it, it's me not you, blah blah, a bass, some electronic junk) it's Looperlative I think, although there is something appealing about going the (relatively) low budget route. I mean, besides the money. What is it the I Ching says? "Even on slender means the sentiments of the heart can be expressed." I have found coyote and Ted pretty convincing on that. (Do you guys have EDPs or Repeaters, too? Just curious.) I'll post later about the Receptor and the EDP decisions. I think this is an interesting thread. I love the EDP, especially when Andre is running it. Does it suit me? Maybe not so well. Maybe we should send all of our EDPs to Andre. On Jan 26, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Kris' reasons are very similar to my own (minus the back surgery - > ouch! Hope you're recovering well!) > > And I'm serious too - anyone want to buy 2 blondeface Gibson EDP's > w/ Loop IV, and a modified EDP footcontroller that can switch > between two units? > > Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B75E3BF6A; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JF3EcySuOani8MHlNPexog//mdaQkrolPsWySg5aQJQF4cPnqawkdLORLXihlJJNPjYozOgOQdtHNq3I21h/PuxZCGoR3eXX0vMzfQxcIxGS1xvOnMQ47ivh8KiJHZK6+G6Tyrwr6TKvW8nyzI0p6QKFV5rwumgE8lFbzXLg90s= ; Message-ID: <20060126200915.83241.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) yes!! --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > This has got to be the worst demonstration of a > > device,pure masturbation! > > > Bad playing, bad tone, bad music, bad > demonstration--but pretty cool > device. That's my reaction. ;) > > Jeff > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21C353BF70; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013801c622b4$a2fc01c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43D928AF.3010708@pdq.net> Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:11:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 452, in=205150, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:11:08 +0000 (UTC) What's a fair price on an EDP these days? I was thinking of ditching my two black-face units (bought new last year) and the controller for $1200. I have one potential buyer already, just after I sent my last email. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative > Could you guys wait a couple of dang days? I just got my EDP up on eBay. > (mine's a mint blackface with pedal; I'm probably asking too much.) > > It's either the Looperlative or a pair of DD20s and a pan pedal for me. > If my sales (ahem) go well (EDP, Receptor -- I should write about that, > shouldn't I? we had a big discussion about it last November; I'm not > selling it 'cause I don't like it, it's me not you, blah blah, a bass, > some electronic junk) it's Looperlative I think, although there is > something appealing about going the (relatively) low budget route. I > mean, besides the money. What is it the I Ching says? "Even on slender > means the sentiments of the heart can be expressed." I have found coyote > and Ted pretty convincing on that. (Do you guys have EDPs or Repeaters, > too? Just curious.) > > I'll post later about the Receptor and the EDP decisions. I think this is > an interesting thread. I love the EDP, especially when Andre is running > it. Does it suit me? Maybe not so well. Maybe we should send all of our > EDPs to Andre. > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > >> Kris' reasons are very similar to my own (minus the back surgery - ouch! >> Hope you're recovering well!) >> >> And I'm serious too - anyone want to buy 2 blondeface Gibson EDP's w/ >> Loop IV, and a modified EDP footcontroller that can switch between two >> units? >> >> Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:12:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275093BF75; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1138306325!8693829!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D39@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MIDI pedal Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:12:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C622B4.C6BE8470" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:12:08 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C622B4.C6BE8470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'm looking a for a compact midi pedal similar to the Behringer BC 1010 but smaller, like 8 buttons max. I want to use it to trigger samples from a Sampler so it needs to send note on/off signals. Anyone know of anything?<< if you know anyone who's good at soldering & general construction: http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm the site has a number of examples of midi controllers that folks have built, using combinations of their keyboard & PC/CC generators which, usefully, can be "stacked" as they all pass midi-thru. if you can live with the wasted capacity, look at the CTM64 board- this takes 64 contact closures & maps them (globally) to /either/ midi notes or PC. you get to choose what range of notes it sends, what channel it sends on, & you get four standard controller inputs (when it's in note-mode, these are volume, pitchbend, modulation & mono aftertouch) + a sustain (CC64) input. that's what I'd do, anyway. total cost probably about $130 after you've got the board, a neat box & some nice switches. remember, if you want it to send PC aswell as notes, you're going to have to stack two of these boards. but it will be unique. damn, I'm going to build one myself, right now! d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C622B4.C6BE8470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: MIDI pedal

>>I'm looking a for a compact midi pedal = similar to the Behringer BC 1010 but
smaller, like 8 buttons max. I want to use it to = trigger samples from a
Sampler so it needs to send note on/off signals. = Anyone know of anything?<<

if you know anyone who's good at soldering & = general construction:

http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm

the site has a number of examples of midi controllers = that folks have built, using combinations of their keyboard & PC/CC = generators which, usefully, can be "stacked" as they all pass = midi-thru.

if you can live with the wasted capacity, look at the = CTM64 board- this takes 64 contact closures & maps them (globally) = to /either/ midi notes or PC. you get to choose what range of notes it = sends, what channel it sends on, & you get four standard controller = inputs (when it's in note-mode, these are volume, pitchbend, modulation = & mono aftertouch) + a sustain (CC64) input.

that's what I'd do, anyway. total cost probably about = $130 after you've got the board, a neat box & some nice = switches.

remember, if you want it to send PC aswell as notes, = you're going to have to stack two of these boards. but it will be = unique.

damn, I'm going to build one myself, right = now!

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C622B4.C6BE8470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A3DB3BF6F; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OWR93pMOoH1PZxR2wrpaAkk2OrEwPUpFsWQG8Q1TANnqpxkKWnlzeU2MYsfjydUomzYNG6H0KcSbOLcJMqY1p6JRye5qKqGHqXcTlDS0YE3XX5MwCzEHUICg8SStb01N0kXAOKHtISMdgPXQeuVXzPNXolNabYxyOyC0oV9pCcQ= ; Message-ID: <20060126202000.25499.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3329C6DF-151D-49EA-A2BE-1AE14CCEEB82@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Anything I can do to help... oh btw, if anyone wants to come over and mastrubate with me you'd be welcome. I have a MIDI clock cable I'd love to stick in your looper. --- Kelly Coyle wrote: > Dear Mark: > > Most loopers just want backing tracks so they don't > have to make > friends with other musicians. It's kind of like > filming yourself so > you can watch it while you masturbate. > > Now I've gone and made myself queasy. Thanks a > bunch, guy. > > > > > > > ----- > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:26 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting > > mastrubation in my day... though that was > definately > > not it. > > > > Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm > surprised > > you expected any different. > > > > On the subject of the device itself, it's one > feature > > way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback > > control The end. Why can't they comprehend this > over > > at Roland? > > > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:27:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A37C03BF3C; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10892647.1138307251043.JavaMail.root@web15> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:27:31 -0500 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 Cc: mark sottilaro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0pl32C.A.9SF.0CT2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Wow, man, you're kinky. Oh, I thought you said 'pooper'. -- Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > Anything I can do to help... oh btw, if anyone wants > to come over and mastrubate with me you'd be welcome. > I have a MIDI clock cable I'd love to stick in your > looper. > > --- Kelly Coyle wrote: > > > Dear Mark: > > > > Most loopers just want backing tracks so they don't > > have to make > > friends with other musicians. It's kind of like > > filming yourself so > > you can watch it while you masturbate. > > > > Now I've gone and made myself queasy. Thanks a > > bunch, guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net > > Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:26 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > > I tell ya, I've seen some pretty interesting > > > mastrubation in my day... though that was > > definately > > > not it. > > > > > > Also, that is so standard Roland demo, I'm > > surprised > > > you expected any different. > > > > > > On the subject of the device itself, it's one > > feature > > > way from being a desireable device: Loop feedback > > > control The end. Why can't they comprehend this > > over > > > at Roland? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 20:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75373BF53; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: RE: Boss RC-50 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:32:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126180045.0284d420@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYiovXEYJ5SW14dRQiNyL9fHlOAyAAFIS+w Message-Id: <20060126203246.E047B3BF30@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Wow. That guy is brutal. They must have got him in a Las Vegas casino or in the Bon Jovi museum -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 26 January 2006 18:03 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RE: Boss RC-50 >there's a video demo now on Boss' U.S. site. > >http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&Paren >tId=46 music R.I.P ...long live the Corporate Entity. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:05:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ED943BF42; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060126183626.7252.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060126183626.7252.qmail@web32514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:05:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:05:46 +0000 (UTC) At 10:36 AM -0800 1/26/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > >i wont be able to afford edp or looperlative,so for me the rc50 is >crowned king of my world. FWIW, mebbe take a look at the new EH 2880 Looper instead. At least you get a feedback control (of a sort; according to Kim's post, it only takes effect during overdubs). And it's only a little more than the RC-50. Or, for the same money (less?) you could do the dual DD-20 route too... --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:09:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3CE3BF57; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= In-Reply-To: <013801c622b4$a2fc01c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43D928AF.3010708@pdq.net> <013801c622b4$a2fc01c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:15:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:09:36 +0000 (UTC) I set my "buy it now" at $800 by looking at the MF price (not Sweetwater) and the fact that that's what I bought it for a few months ago used. I think 700 or even (sigh) 600 would have been fairer. I'll probably change the "buy it now" tonight. ----- Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Jan 26, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > What's a fair price on an EDP these days? I was thinking of > ditching my two black-face units (bought new last year) and the > controller for $1200. I have one potential buyer already, just > after I sent my last email. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:12:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A40E3BF5F; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009a01c62285$25772d80$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <43D85659.4000501@sasktel.net> <009a01c62285$25772d80$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:11:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Zoom G2 - first impressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9aIH7B.A.InH.gsT2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:12:01 +0000 (UTC) At 9:25 AM -0500 1/26/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > On the other hand, I think you'll love the DD-20. When you can afford >it, buy two, and you'll haave four channels of deep looping for under $400. Hey Douglas! Are you still "cross-connecting" your two DD-20's, or are you using them in a more conventional side-by-side configuration. Really liked your track on the LD vol. 3 compilation, but wasn't sure which signal path you're using now. :) --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1948C3BF06; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y1wS5TvcUdnhy4VWueTZRhXQshtEmysBSpC3oUpyVXMJVWi54ofoUWW2ggAQ/TDnzPwEBGF0lLLYrbLxQt+WhMbBQgZmkc4nt6yL1is/3NI1UO9JUgSGupWyhtvuEPAh5rmc4zDyGJokg7s18Ln6KHGjDQ4GAF3yos6rO4JMM38= ; Message-ID: <20060126213127.93718.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9654489.1138198564186.JavaMail.root@web23> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC) garh, wouldn't you know that yahoo mail starts deciding to send all my LD messages to the bulk mail folder the day before namm. so now i'm finally going through the posts. LOOPERLATIVE SOUNDS AWESOME! geez it's like 8 EDPs in one with better sound quality. good luck and thanks bob! 'scuse me while i go check my bank account... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 21:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB1FA3BEFE; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060126170204.22023.qmail@web34907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060126170204.22023.qmail@web34907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C8058EE-70CB-4051-A06F-633311421E97@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: multi-effects Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:43:50 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3MJzv.A.VtB.BNU2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:46:41 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:02 AM, ditch wrestler wrote: > I'm interested in getting my hands on a multi-effects pedal. Does it need to be a pedal, or are you considering rack gear? Price range? Any particular effects you are looking for? Can you prioritize the effects?? In other words, some units have very good delays, but shitty overdrives--etc. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:00:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460F63BF37; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126135234.01bb1d10@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:00:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Looperlative LP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <0TxhLD.A.9cC.GaU2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi, At the NAMM show, a new product was introduced called Looperlative LP1. From the website at: http://www.looperlative.com/ it has the following features: The LP1 offers eight independent stereo tracks. Each track can be synchronized with any other track or it can be asynchronous with the rest of the tracks. Because all eight tracks are run by a single processor, synchronized tracks will never drift apart. The eight tracks can be independently adjusted. Each track has an independent volume and feedback control. Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any additional info? Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:09:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C06F3BF1A; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126135234.01bb1d10@TheNettles.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative LP1 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:09:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2006 22:09:34.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[3055AA20:01C622C5] Resent-Message-ID: <09HbKB.A.-uC.fiU2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Can the LP1 multiply loop length? That’s been the saving grace of my EDP thanks Lou >From: Kevin >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Looperlative LP1 >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:00:39 -0800 > >Hi, > >At the NAMM show, a new product was introduced called Looperlative LP1. >From the website at: >http://www.looperlative.com/ >it has the following features: >The LP1 offers eight independent stereo tracks. Each track can be >synchronized with any other track or it can be asynchronous with the rest >of the tracks. Because all eight tracks are run by a single processor, >synchronized tracks will never drift apart. The eight tracks can be >independently adjusted. Each track has an independent volume and feedback >control. > >Has anyone seen this? Does anyone have any additional info? > >Thanks, >Kevin >www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:27:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E92873BF0D; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060125235848.17380.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <00bc01c622b1$4a4b9160$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95270D09-5C32-4896-B742-3970BDB399BE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:26:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0OidpC.A.SOE.DzU2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:27:15 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jan 2006, at 20.53, mark t wrote: > I am thinking about getting a Looperlative to use along side my EDP. > The EDP would than be use soley for its stuttering and more bizzare > effects you can get from sus, replace, loop copy, loop windowing > etc.....would be a sort of electronic percussion and have the > Looperlative cover the more ambient/melodic stuff. That would be my choice as well, if I had to use rack devices . But since Mobius software lets me do both looping styles in the same box I will probably stay with the laptop setup. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DF83BF12; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:41:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <20060126214642.53AAE3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060126214642.53AAE3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, a newbie's mistake, I should have looked in the archives first before asking about the Looperlative LP1. I seriously wonder about the price point on the LP1. $1400 direct from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a 1/4" to USB cable and a software looper starts looking pretty good. The LP1 won't do amp simulations and it won't help me answer email either. ;-) Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:45:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B83F3BF25; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Looperlative compared to laptop... Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:45:53 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:45:43 +0000 (UTC) >>I have high hopes for this unit. The only reason I wouldn't see him selling many hundreds of units over a few years is that people might just decide to go for a computer and be done with it (and get all the other stuff too). But if this works as advertised, it'll beat a computer hollow for this one specific purpose...<<< For me, it already beats a laptop - I just haven't found a laptop setup that responds in a way I want it to, one that i'm confident won't glitch on me, one where I don't have to look at the screen (everyone has their foibles, and one of mine is that I can't be doing live music while faffing about with the computer itself...) Kim once commented that for him, the interest in the Echoplex was all about the interface - that's why he wasn't interested in developing a software version. That makes perfect sense to me. I'd rather use a stack of EDPs than a laptop. But for the way I play, the looperlative does pretty much everything I was using my multiple EDPs for with a few additions, and it does it in a more stable way than any computer set up I've tried. Someone commented that 'the looperlative will be cool when each channel does everything an EDP can do' - for you maybe that's true. To me, it's BS. There are loads of things the EDP does that the looperlative won't do for a long time - very specific development ideas that came from the combined wisdom of Kim and Matthias and the others who had input - Andy B, Andre etc - there are things that just work great with the architecture of the box, the brother sync feature, the specific way it multiplies, and a lot of the granular stuff. A lot of these ideas may inspire looperlative developments - that's all down to what people request and what Bob is able to implement, and anyone building a looper would be a total fool not to look at the feature set of the Echoplex for inspiration - the current software loopers are pretty much exact copies of the Echoplex feature set - but the LP1 already has a character of its own, it has a different architecture, a different hardware model and a whole load of potential features that the Echoplex couldn't do because of its specific hardware constraints. It's all good, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 22:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CEB33BF35; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c801c622ca$6e07a210$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Free VST Amp/Speaker Simulators for Jazz? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:47:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 455, in=220680, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Well, when it rains, it pours...all this potential change in light of looping gear, and I just learned today that I acquired a house gig playing traditional jazz at one of Boise's finest restaurants every Monday evening. The catch is we start this coming Monday! Yikes! Cripes! You know how long it has been since I played the Real Book? Frightening. It's basically guitar (me), bass, and percussion. Looks like I'll be woodshedding this weekend. Anyway, I plan to do something rather untraditional in the jazz world, which is to do the gig with nothing but my laptop and VST system. I don't need any major effects, just reverb, chorus, and a touch of delay once in a while....which I already have. I may loop some changes with Mobius once in a while as well. I have a PRS hollowbody, which has beautiful tone and sounds wonderful just plugged direct into a board with no amp, but I may want to experiment with some VST plugins for amp/speaker emulation. Can anyone recommend a plugin that is inexpensive or free? I'm thinking a nice Fender Twin, Roland Jazz Chorus, or Mesa Boogie Mark I tone might be good. Kris www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:04:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB7503BF1F; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43D9554D.1040608@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:03:41 -0800 From: Bob Campbell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LoopIV -> LP1 ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5WhmL.A.dcG.zVV2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Is it within the realm of imagination that the LoopIV software could be adapted to the Looperlative hardware? BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1DE13BF1C; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:19:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <025d01c6226f$d774fb40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0CPvbB.A.xmH.EkV2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:19:32 +0000 (UTC) I second that sentiment. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:59 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative I wanted to chime in on this thread if it's alright with everyone: I had the distinct pleasure of helping Steve to debut the Looperlative at NAMM and can say that I'm very excited about the prospects and the future growth of this amazing instrument. I've only had one in working order for less than two weeks and it is really an amazing and groundbreaking looper. Many thanks to Bob Amstadt for creating it and having the open minded and serving attitude that he has about it's just beginning group of loyal users. Thanks also to Steve for a wonderful video introduction to the unit. I learned a few things from his presentation. That being said and done, I think it does great disservice to this community to have a thread titled edp R.I.P.............long live the looperlative. I have to go on record and say that I love the EDP! It is an astonishing and completely unique digital instrument: one that is so complex that I"m still learning how to use it. It has created a lot of unprecedented musical innovation in this community and in the world at large. I can't imagine the very, very beautiful and sophisticate musics of Andre LaFosse, Andy Butler and Matthias Grob (to name just a few) without this instrument. And just like the Stratocaster, the Les Paul and some state of the art Digital Modelling Guitar..................or like the MAC, the PC or the hardware based solutions for live looping: It's hard to compare apples and oranges. The EDP is an amazing and very, very deep instrument..........................it doesn't do what the Looperlative can do but by the same token, the Looperlative will probably never have the same feature sets that the EDP has or the Repeater has..........................they are different instruments. I've had many, many offlist letters from loopers saying 'Should I dump my EDP and buy a Looperlative" and I have answered everyone with the same answer: "Save up and buy a Looperlative, you'll be glad you did, but hang on to your EDP................. it does uniquely what no other looper has done and it will always have musical value as such. I am a proud user and endorser of the Looperlative (and just learning it). I've been a proud endorser and user of the EDP (and still learning it) and , for all of it's flaws, I am a proud user of the Electrix Repeater and the Line 6 DL-4, stomp box looper. One instrument doesn't have to die for another to live. One style of music doesn't have languish in order for another to thrive. Long Live the EDP (and thank you Matthias, Kim Flint, Andy Butler, Claude Voit and all of the amazing people who produced it). Long Live the Looperlative (and thank you Bob Amstadt, Steve Lawson and all the people who will help develop it) Long Live the Repeater (and all who have developed it) Long Live all the incredible live looping hardware and software solutions that have made our community so strong and creatively vital. The more instruments we have.........the more diversity they represent............the stronger our community will be. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F3D83BF25; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:17 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative compared to laptop... To: Message-id: <005d01c622d0$9bb04400$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Spot on. Well said. Now, about those black fingernails... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Looperlative compared to laptop... > >>I have high hopes for this unit. The only reason I wouldn't see him > selling many hundreds of units over a few years is that people might > just decide to go for a computer and be done with it (and get all the > other stuff too). But if this works as advertised, it'll beat a > computer hollow for this one specific purpose...<<< > > For me, it already beats a laptop - I just haven't found a laptop > setup that responds in a way I want it to, one that i'm confident > won't glitch on me, one where I don't have to look at the screen > (everyone has their foibles, and one of mine is that I can't be doing > live music while faffing about with the computer itself...) > > Kim once commented that for him, the interest in the Echoplex was all > about the interface - that's why he wasn't interested in developing a > software version. That makes perfect sense to me. I'd rather use a > stack of EDPs than a laptop. But for the way I play, the looperlative > does pretty much everything I was using my multiple EDPs for with a > few additions, and it does it in a more stable way than any computer > set up I've tried. > > Someone commented that 'the looperlative will be cool when each > channel does everything an EDP can do' - for you maybe that's true. > To me, it's BS. There are loads of things the EDP does that the > looperlative won't do for a long time - very specific development > ideas that came from the combined wisdom of Kim and Matthias and the > others who had input - Andy B, Andre etc - there are things that just > work great with the architecture of the box, the brother sync > feature, the specific way it multiplies, and a lot of the granular > stuff. > > A lot of these ideas may inspire looperlative developments - that's > all down to what people request and what Bob is able to implement, > and anyone building a looper would be a total fool not to look at the > feature set of the Echoplex for inspiration - the current software > loopers are pretty much exact copies of the Echoplex feature set - > but the LP1 already has a character of its own, it has a different > architecture, a different hardware model and a whole load of > potential features that the Echoplex couldn't do because of its > specific hardware constraints. > > It's all good, > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:24:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7343BF17; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:31:50 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: LoopIV -> LP1 ? To: Message-id: <006201c622d0$aef87be0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <43D9554D.1040608@pobox.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:24:52 +0000 (UTC) I think that real of the imagination is called dreaming... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Campbell" To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: LoopIV -> LP1 ? > > Is it within the realm of imagination that the LoopIV software could be > adapted to the Looperlative hardware? > > BobC > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:27:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7883BEFB; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:33:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Message-id: <006b01c622d0$f9385b80$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Chiming in. Well said! Each device has its onw merits. A choice between a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? And the bad news is, what?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:39:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90C9E3BF2B; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dIUeuZjUrwxRyKCSI5iz5XlY5fFXGBdbBBbB+/u6NImHfiACPwVk64UAOhjFf4jDvpW8GNukoczpB9YuvvLgdBohtCGua62u7BnqEkiu526m6lNDTdwLZZA19bySqbJW72EVtix1bC3Afjh2fjXGIjLluS8mEzyuQl8enpyPwDg= Message-ID: <588ce11d0601261539l2a6fc6b9v6efe6a79a88eedd3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:39:34 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free VST Amp/Speaker Simulators for Jazz? In-Reply-To: <01c801c622ca$6e07a210$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01c801c622ca$6e07a210$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Have you checked out Free Amp SE? http://207.218.248.76/~fretted/ampsims.html#FreeAmpSE It sounds good to me. . . > Can anyone recommend a plugin that is inexpensive or free? I'm thinking a > nice Fender Twin, Roland Jazz Chorus, or Mesa Boogie Mark I tone might be > good. > > Kris > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B56133BF39; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c622d1$d05fdb10$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060126214642.53AAE3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> Subject: Moebius Software Website Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:39:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi: I searched for info on the above software but haven't found what I'm looking for. Does anyone have their website URL? (assuming there is one). I was wondering how to obtain the software. Regards, Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:43:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390913BF13; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative demo online... Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:43:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <18C6BDD20894A21B935BD8E3@[192.168.1.149]> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Ah yes, the boutique pedal principle as applied to DSP. Build a high quality product with features based on real world musician's needs, and make it sound as good as possible to keep the audiophiles happy, and make the architecture deep and flexible to satisfy the tweekers. Regarding price, sure there will be people who balk at what He is asking, just like people get sticker shock at the cost of fine handmade guitars, and amps. You can't have champagne on a Beer budget, not in the hand made world. I'm so glad Bob is taking this approach rather than have some huge corporation swallow up his idea and regurgitate in dumbed down form, cheapen its components to satisfy the bean counters..etc. Well done Bob Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bob Amstadt [mailto:bob@amstadt.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative demo online... > how is > Bob financing all of this being a one man company??? I have paid for all of the development out of my own pocket. I owe nothing to anybody. For this reason, I can sell small quantities and it is still worth it to me. Larger companies have investors and employees to deal with. For that reason, there is a minimum number of units that need to be sold each month to keep them viable. I don't have this requirement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:48:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802AB3BF30; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O3Ifc0yeud2bPLg5Ah1SOjY889B5+yky66OC8TbQkF9vsu8MepkdlMI9keD9Ct369ZI1LyByg3hPP+mNKelcsUM/hGMgBCUgWVNq92zrMhmkKnXXgAYW7BccvVFKZyYON1hKLtlwY0rMsALpyZMdOpcuCjJKsvZZhkYQUqnfP+w= Message-ID: <64b81a780601261548w2c33d1b3m4262fbe01f924c67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:48:23 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060126214642.53AAE3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I was really excited about the Looperlative too until I saw the price. There are a lot of things I'd rather spend that sort of money on. And you're right, Kevin, a laptop definitely falls in that category. Best of luck to Bob & the Looperlative, but I've got to count myself out of this one. Todd On 1/26/06, Kevin wrote: > Sorry, a newbie's mistake, I should have looked in the archives first > before asking about the Looperlative LP1. > > I seriously wonder about the price point on the LP1. $1400 direct > from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a 1/4" to USB cable > and a software looper starts looking pretty good. The LP1 won't do > amp simulations and it won't help me answer email either. ;-) > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:50:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F713BF3F; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N5ZrIPBScqiCeXDNguGrqexooNY+frAJP6TXKe42G8G7W6P4SJsfJ/MxrUEhri4B7KsRCUt0aOBJv1QDctUydWihj8pjwADaJZs1Eh44wETxNplGCDerR3z8G04C+rWNM9CcsK5Y8OBBgNQPl0a85/01Jz0n5iN8wvFmuKBCHAE= Message-ID: <64b81a780601261549i775a84et785efa63f7e15f50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:49:57 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moebius Software Website In-Reply-To: <000601c622d1$d05fdb10$68a6eb44@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060126214642.53AAE3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> <000601c622d1$d05fdb10$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:50:00 +0000 (UTC) http://www.zonemobius.com/ Enjoy. :) On 1/26/06, Paul wrote: > > Hi: > > I searched for info on the above software but haven't found what I'm look= ing > for. Does anyone have their website URL? (assuming there is one). > > I was wondering how to obtain the software. > > Regards, Paul Richards > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 26 23:53:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D49983BF45; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=osI28PItPMHPdeKTAWZPnEWr4JtQ+29ct+k0fRD3M52ocyzS1PaSYs0DljXeo0sHwizqhvpb1xhGVd7kTKT1cY0evkTO/l0Alrp+EoWSpkpEg7FeshRSOJ/c8xOgbp74PEFYfcA31eYNP0agMzdPZEwxcdiFjMDrPaZwHfzsBIw= ; Message-ID: <20060126235313.45574.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Moebius Software Website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c622d1$d05fdb10$68a6eb44@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:53:16 +0000 (UTC) The developer of Mobius (Jeff Larson) is an LD listmember. Here's a site with a dl link: -t- --- Paul wrote: > Does anyone have their website URL? (assuming > there is one). > > I was wondering how to obtain the software. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 00:27:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C803BF24; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4HOHdGEE/OSmiy1k3s34+2x+Syl8hXQAAdfOsVeCcN1fakshttqjmv7bE6/YciTsTMXBMHFYCSaSGDQLNUfp1GU/xkidAMJi7hXqcl15RbsW8CH6d19Y56OfMdnF1/8XKc+1Mdf0ho6d+pd5btWOyGo6CnciQk5VaFw2qNq4ZtY= ; Message-ID: <20060127002700.53216.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780601261548w2c33d1b3m4262fbe01f924c67@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:27:09 +0000 (UTC) As someone who's made a conserted effort to replace external gear with software I have to say that in my findings a good enough laptop and audio interface hardware to run a decent looper will easily cost you $1400 (USB isn't fast enough, you'll need USB2 or Firewire and you'll need a gig of memory and a 7200 rpm hard drive too) and guess what? It won't hold a candle to what an EDP or Repeater can do... probably not be able to keep up with a Boss RC-50. Kim's gone on about why this isn't possible (Windows isn't a "real time" OS and I believe the Mac OS is better but still not that great) So while my trusty computer does a great job being my drum machine, effects processor and synth (though not all at the same time) I've never found the feature/feel combo in looping software, although Augustusloop is mighty fun in a pinch. It's not going to replace my hardware any time soon, just as my soft synths aren't going to replace my Virus. They just don't pack the same power. Mark --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Yeah, I was really excited about the Looperlative > too until I saw the > price. There are a lot of things I'd rather spend > that sort of money > on. And you're right, Kevin, a laptop definitely > falls in that > category. > > Best of luck to Bob & the Looperlative, but I've got > to count myself > out of this one. > Todd > > > On 1/26/06, Kevin wrote: > > Sorry, a newbie's mistake, I should have looked in > the archives first > > before asking about the Looperlative LP1. > > > > I seriously wonder about the price point on the > LP1. $1400 direct > > from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a > 1/4" to USB cable > > and a software looper starts looking pretty good. > The LP1 won't do > > amp simulations and it won't help me answer email > either. ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 01:48:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B638A3BEF1; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:48:56 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Zoom G2 - first impressions To: mech , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002801c622e3$e1f3a700$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey mech 'n' all- You wrote: > Hey Douglas! Are you still "cross-connecting" your two DD-20's, or > are you using them in a more conventional side-by-side configuration. I still cross-connect them occasionally. It's just too cool to set the two delays at some wack ratio and listen to them g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y develop into a pulsing rhythm (assuming a sharp attack on the notes) or g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y flow like watercolors in the rain (with swell-attack notes). My only ongoing project/problem is figuring out how to transition between normal setup and cross-connection without adding a loud BZZZZZTTT! as cables go in and out, as I want to do this in live performance. > Really liked your track on the LD vol. 3 compilation, but wasn't sure > which signal path you're using now. :) Thanks so much. BTW, that WASN'T the cross-connection - just two DD-20s and the short delays of the Boss GT-3. And no, I'm not a Boss endorser or anything. I just like their stuff. dB, coyote ps: > "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." I love this song. Every time you post and use this tag, I find myself singing it. Great album, too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 03:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C343BEFA; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060127002700.53216.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060127002700.53216.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <111b1fce543175342080eb32a4990495@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:12:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:55:35 +0000 (UTC) $1400 is no small amount of money for most people, but this price is really not out of line. Its less than a new PCM90 would cost you, way less than a lot of Eventide boxes and its really at the low end of what you would expect a boutique piece of audio gear would cost if the quality is high. This thing looks almost perfect for the way I like to work, I am going to have to start putting some new toy money aside for it one of these days. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 04:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BF403BEF9; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <111b1fce543175342080eb32a4990495@venetowest.com> References: <20060127002700.53216.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <111b1fce543175342080eb32a4990495@venetowest.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:11:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:11:36 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > $1400 is ... way less than a lot of Eventide boxes about 1/3 the cost of the new H7600. with the Eventide you have to set up your own looping patch if you have some real specific shit to do, though i'm sure Italo's looping presets are great (probably even what Bob Fripp is using right now). with the Looperlative you have to set up your own interface, whereas in the Eventide you can have a few controls you prefer immediately on the front. the Looperlative does things which are really tricky in the Eventide, like half speed, reverse, etc ... however the Eventide will let you do really crazy shit like put pitch or frequency shift in the feedback loop which you can't do with the Looperlative (because it lacks the FX loop i think it should have). different tools for different jobs. i'm still a little up in the air, if Eventide had more specific looping algorithms i probably would have stronger feelings one way or the other. i can't afford this for awhile so it doesn't really matter for me right now. however a comparison of pricey looping solutions without actually bitching about the money part is always fascinating. maybe others here have some things to say about it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 04:13:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CFFF3BF06; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002801c622e3$e1f3a700$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <002801c622e3$e1f3a700$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:12:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: DD-20 Stuff (was Zoom G2 - first impressions) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:12:59 +0000 (UTC) At 8:48 PM -0500 1/26/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > Hey Douglas! Are you still "cross-connecting" your two DD-20's, or > > are you using them in a more conventional side-by-side configuration. > > I still cross-connect them occasionally. It's just too cool to >set the two delays at some wack ratio and listen to them >g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y develop into a pulsing rhythm (assuming a sharp >attack on the notes) or g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y flow like watercolors in >the rain (with swell-attack notes). You've gotten me intrigued by that idea so now I'm going to have to try it (maybe with my busking rig, although that pedalboard is already getting pretty complicated). I was in Japan for 3 months this past fall (long story) and started to go a little stir-crazy. I had a backpacker guitar with me, so I picked up a second DD-20. It's finally gotten shipped back here, and now I'm going to have two. This could be fun... ;) >My only ongoing project/problem is figuring out how to transition >between normal setup and cross-connection without adding a loud >BZZZZZTTT! as cables go in and out, as I want to do this in live >performance. If I think about it for a little while, I could probably whip something up using a couple of those silent-switching Whirlwind A/B boxes. However, as I'm sure you already know, those little guys ain't the cheapest. In the pedalboard I mentioned above, I've got both a DD-20 and a DL-4. I then use the A/B box to switch between them. So if I cross-connect a second DD-20 on there, I can still use the DL-4 for rhythmic stuff. Except now I need a bigger pedalboard. Ack... :P > > Really liked your track on the LD vol. 3 compilation, but wasn't sure > > which signal path you're using now. :) > > Thanks so much. BTW, that WASN'T the cross-connection - just two >DD-20s and the short delays of the Boss GT-3. Ah, that explains it: I thought you were probably using them side-by-side, but then I'd catch the little cascading delays from the GT-3 and doubt that conclusion. > > "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." > >I love this song. Every time you post and use this tag, I find >myself singing it. Great album, too. Thanks! :) That's from one of those instances where I started the car a few weeks ago and it was there playing on the radio. I had almost completely forgotten about that song (my vinyl has been in storage for the past few years). So it was one of those rare treats to enjoy it again after a long, looooong time. Just downloaded the album off iTunes, too.... --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 05:12:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769053BEF6; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:12:01 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060127002700.53216.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:12:00 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Mark, and like to add that, something about trusting my live performance to a Windows based laptop or even the vaunted Mac ,with the better but not there yet latency issues, fills me with dread. First there is the crash problem, I've seen it happen to people live, not a pretty sight, then there is the cost as Mark mentioned, not to mention the learning curve, way steeper than the Looperlative, and not nearly as user friendly for midi foot control. I'd say $1400 is pretty dammed reasonable. I have rarely ever had problems with my line 6 DL4 or Repeater, my main live tools, the exception being the occasional footswitch gone bad (DL4) or RPTR freeze (always cured by powering down, which takes about 1/10th of the time it takes to reboot most computers), or the occasional power brown out. I usually bring two loopers to a gig, three if you count the hold delay in the vox tonelab, and sometimes another DL4. If any one of those loopers went down I'd still have one or two as backup, I might have to change how I approach the set but I wouldn't be sitting there sweating bullets staring in to a computer screen. I know the day is not far off when all the little bugs and issues about live looping on computer are solved, and I certainly won't dispute how much more vast the options become in the computer domain, I'm just not ready to invest in what I feel it would take to have a performance worthy rig (2 mac powere books running duplicate apps), I could easily buy two looperalatives and maybe and edp for those kind of sheckles. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? As someone who's made a conserted effort to replace external gear with software I have to say that in my findings a good enough laptop and audio interface hardware to run a decent looper will easily cost you $1400 (USB isn't fast enough, you'll need USB2 or Firewire and you'll need a gig of memory and a 7200 rpm hard drive too) and guess what? It won't hold a candle to what an EDP or Repeater can do... probably not be able to keep up with a Boss RC-50. Kim's gone on about why this isn't possible (Windows isn't a "real time" OS and I believe the Mac OS is better but still not that great) So while my trusty computer does a great job being my drum machine, effects processor and synth (though not all at the same time) I've never found the feature/feel combo in looping software, although Augustusloop is mighty fun in a pinch. It's not going to replace my hardware any time soon, just as my soft synths aren't going to replace my Virus. They just don't pack the same power. Mark --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Yeah, I was really excited about the Looperlative > too until I saw the > price. There are a lot of things I'd rather spend > that sort of money > on. And you're right, Kevin, a laptop definitely > falls in that > category. > > Best of luck to Bob & the Looperlative, but I've got > to count myself > out of this one. > Todd > > > On 1/26/06, Kevin wrote: > > Sorry, a newbie's mistake, I should have looked in > the archives first > > before asking about the Looperlative LP1. > > > > I seriously wonder about the price point on the > LP1. $1400 direct > > from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a > 1/4" to USB cable > > and a software looper starts looking pretty good. > The LP1 won't do > > amp simulations and it won't help me answer email > either. ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 05:23:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D35993BF04; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gN856NzLoRYhe1tfhx6vzRpwRDvdO625Ck6iLN6cfoMWaR6hGdwEFpF1e+4O2gDuZdg/rWvrVmn6VtCL783msi5oKzMQUmEAWFd0uxEJH2u7+DnGbWUw1WVFbJS4E25yJG3Ac+NPnD8Bir9O9WTW4wRKW0kEiEOmNeZF02vYc9w= ; Message-ID: <20060127052342.12512.qmail@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Looperlative - Max Time? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:23:44 +0000 (UTC) I've been trying to pay attention, but haven't seen this addressed yet. Out of the box, what would be the max recording time for a stereo loop? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 05:34:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3C773BF01; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:34:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <4TyV8C.A.uYH.tDb2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:34:37 +0000 (UTC) I certainly don't have the experience the folks on this list have with all the latest looping technology and I definitely respect the "boutique" argument and I'm very impressed with what Bob has done with the LP1. At the same time I have a large number of instruments, all fairly inexpensive. Even my EDP was fairly inexpensive, thanks to eBay. And I--like quite a number of folks--can repurpose work gear such as laptops or buy used gear at good discounts. I look at the ever-decreasing performance:price ratio for hardware such as laptops and I wonder how things will stand five years from now. Folks are building their own TiVos now. More and more musicians are moving to laptop-only setups. Perhaps the long-term market for the Looperlative is really in its OS and the software developed for it. In its community If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate like Behringer moving in. If I spent $1400 on a piece of equipment, I would like it to still be useful and (in the LP1's case) still evolving in five or ten year's time. Folks that are surfing the wave need to spend money on the latest board. Folks who paddle on the open seas can afford to wait a little;. that's most folks. I look at most hardware/software packages out there and I see several different market models. One way is boutique, a fine and honorable living. Another way is cheap hardware that drives the software sales. Or great software that drives the hardware sales. Then there's the old-school turnkey closed-system like-it-or-lump-it way. In thinking about business models for Looperlative, would it make sense to truly have a development community for the Looperlative that allowed users to directly build the software along the same lines as SourceForge? And from that point of view, would it make sense to have a cheaper platform? It doesn't have to be open-source public domain. All rights could revert to Looperlative. Think about Lego Mindstorms here a bit. Think about Max/MSP and Jitter. All the same, I wish Bob the very best. I have been wondering why looper products have been lagging so far behind what is possible with today's technology and the LP1 is a very welcome great step forward that puts Digitech and Roland to shame. Sorry for boring you all. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com >As someone who's made a conserted effort to replace >external gear with software I have to say that in my >findings a good enough laptop and audio interface >hardware to run a decent looper will easily cost you >$1400 (USB isn't fast enough, you'll need USB2 or >Firewire and you'll need a gig of memory and a 7200 >rpm hard drive too) > >and guess what? It won't hold a candle to what an EDP >or Repeater can do... probably not be able to keep up >with a Boss RC-50. Kim's gone on about why this isn't >possible (Windows isn't a "real time" OS and I believe >the Mac OS is better but still not that great) > >So while my trusty computer does a great job being my >drum machine, effects processor and synth (though not >all at the same time) I've never found the >feature/feel combo in looping software, although >Augustusloop is mighty fun in a pinch. It's not going >to replace my hardware any time soon, just as my soft >synths aren't going to replace my Virus. They just >don't pack the same power. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 07:17:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DB173BF07; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GEOOPX75Z62R/qRDKTwI235zYyiaIaamxWRSU1CR/5TeBHZ+g9nJSLnH6eSjBKhi1bnfiz+zWKCbeeikbYnTg5Py5vkDrELbTUa5u5NvbjAb59+BZaQIaYNCECECvgsK20Tzpbdm3Plb1rhAFNdcrG3etAdkQLid8PqqUZJBEkA= ; Message-ID: <20060127071722.14799.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: BOSE PAS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gangsters, dont know if this has been brought up but since we are always bring up the subject of too much carrying gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other musicians illnesses i just came across this PA system which would be quite suitable for solo artists like a lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be true!is anybody playing through one of these or had a chance to audition one in a live band situation? please watch every video anyway, they are very interesting and informative whether this system is good or not! cheers Luis --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Ronan Chris Murphy > wrote: > > $1400 is ... way less than a lot of Eventide boxes > > about 1/3 the cost of the new H7600. with the > Eventide you have to set > up your own looping patch if you have some real > specific shit to do, > though i'm sure Italo's looping presets are great > (probably even what > Bob Fripp is using right now). with the Looperlative > you have to set up > your own interface, whereas in the Eventide you can > have a few controls > you prefer immediately on the front. > > the Looperlative does things which are really tricky > in the Eventide, > like half speed, reverse, etc ... however the > Eventide will let you do > really crazy shit like put pitch or frequency shift > in the feedback > loop which you can't do with the Looperlative > (because it lacks the FX > loop i think it should have). > > different tools for different jobs. i'm still a > little up in the air, > if Eventide had more specific looping algorithms i > probably would have > stronger feelings one way or the other. > > i can't afford this for awhile so it doesn't really > matter for me right > now. however a comparison of pricey looping > solutions without actually > bitching about the money part is always fascinating. > maybe others here > have some things to say about it. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 07:18:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C593BF0A; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> References: <20060126214642.53AAE3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126143752.018e72c0@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EF2DF7C-D15C-41CE-9FD0-031687B50FFC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:18:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:18:39 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jan 2006, at 23.41, Kevin wrote: > I seriously wonder about the price point on the LP1. $1400 direct > from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a 1/4" to USB cable > and a software looper starts looking pretty good. The LP1 won't do > amp simulations and it won't help me answer email either. ;-) A laptop, suitable for audio on the same level of performance and stability, is actually more expensive than buying a Looperlative. Add to that the cost of a good audio interface. I just had to make this point because I see this mistake being done all over - comparing prices of the cheapo laptops that use to figure in advertisements. That's not fair IMHO. "Looperlative Too Expensive"? It seems reasonably priced to me. The point in setting a price level for a unique product is to make sure that you will be able to keep up support, production and development into the future. So if I should want to buy a LP1 I would feel safe in the knowledge that the temporarily big hole in my pocket does guarantee that I'm taking less risks doing that investment. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 07:31:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C477C3BF0F; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0601261539l2a6fc6b9v6efe6a79a88eedd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <01c801c622ca$6e07a210$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601261539l2a6fc6b9v6efe6a79a88eedd3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <269ABF80-45B0-4A3C-8B0A-B235BDCDE73A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Free VST Amp/Speaker Simulators for Jazz? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:31:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:31:38 +0000 (UTC) I think this FreeAmpSE is the one I have played with too. If so I agree that it's very good! Another one that is top of the line is NI's Guitar Combo's. I had it for a while on my boxes for reviewing it in a guitar magazine, but I had to deactivate them afterwards. Especially the Vox sounded best to my taste. Even better for a jazz tone although NI does market the Roland Jazz Chorus simulation as the "jazz offer". I'm talking "tone" and "musical response" here, not "effect". You may always add effects afterwards in a VST chain but to me the Vox emulator from NI came out as the winner. Not free, but worth a lot more than the quite low price it sells for (I think you can buy just one of them - not having to get all three combos) per On 27 jan 2006, at 00.39, Art Simon wrote: > Have you checked out Free Amp SE? > http://207.218.248.76/~fretted/ampsims.html#FreeAmpSE > It sounds good to me. . . > >> Can anyone recommend a plugin that is inexpensive or free? I'm >> thinking a >> nice Fender Twin, Roland Jazz Chorus, or Mesa Boogie Mark I tone >> might be >> good. >> >> Kris >> www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 07:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AD2A3BF1D; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RVV16xoAmB6WoD1PCxrGq1QNYjRyrZMrKEMMiinsZ3Bzvf1b6lZuxYpYS7/BXdaS7YuKwAZ4x98vFOkSkDhhpv8a+4nfsGXFrIMP7hftIa8ApxLqaqdXWZ3xtkoLBr5TC6WbH4ud8TPHxYFNsdE02Vnnmd2OcPXoaN07rUdvvrE= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601262344rc0f89d1o60b54fadcd19354b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:44:04 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:44:06 +0000 (UTC) > If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate > like Behringer moving in. If I spent $1400 on a piece of equipment, > I would like it to still be useful and (in the LP1's case) still > evolving in five or ten year's time. Folks that are surfing the wave > need to spend money on the latest board. Folks who paddle on the > open seas can afford to wait a little;. that's most folks. the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a clone...) /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 09:57:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18EE53BEE0; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.65.157.99] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <015b01c62265$c91d26d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: OT Re: interesting web site Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:57:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C62328.1A046F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8bxz0B.A.QVB.S6e2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:57:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C62328.1A046F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've never seen a beautiful website before - thank you Gareth ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C62328.1A046F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C62328.1A046F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 10:01:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F50D3BED2; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4d9c3c620072ac70379ace0053c0f341@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:01:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:01:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 26, 2006, at 11:34 PM, Kevin wrote: > If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate > like Behringer moving in. i'm not sure if you've noticed but Boringer already have a looper in the Bass V-Amp. it sucks. one of the actual creative minds at behringer rolled it into their bass-oriented POD clone because there's no way they could explore it fully in its own product. remember: behringer makes lowest-common-denominator gear. they have two completely unique units: the Ultralink (a good looping tool in its own right) and the digital EQ/compressor/etc ... i am unable to remember its name but it's somthing like THE BITCHENISER despite the fact i know that's a joke plug in from a completely unrelated company. bob has more to fear from a lawsuit by Gibson for making a device which can loop sound. considering the prior art involved in a concept like looping i'm sure that if the need arose he could probably defend himself at least as well as Jim Traficant in his 1983 RICO case and win. personally i don't think he's in any danger of more than people just not buying his shit. anyone checked out half-speed on the eventide yet? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 10:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293AC3BEF4; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.65.157.99] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <43D85659.4000501@sasktel.net> <009a01c62285$25772d80$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Zoom G2 - second impressions Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:03:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Well different folks and all that. I really like the sound of this pedal. I use clean sounds anmost exclusively and this givs a transparency that i adore having played through so many noisy units over the years - the sound of my instrument comes through clearly - its like seeing the moon through a clear window instead of a dirty one. but each to his own Gareth > Yo Shane! > Good writing! Do more! > I am of the same mind about the Zoom G2. It was sent to me for a > potential review that never happened, and I plugged it in maybe twice for > 15 > minutes at a time, and it just didn't engage me. You articulated that > disengagement very, very well. > On the other hand, I think you'll love the DD-20. When you can afford > it, buy two, and you'll haave four channels of deep looping for under > $400. > Welcome to the community. > dB, coyote > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 10:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F4F93BEDE; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tZb+G/3UHn/OlmmPhcnHaDBChN43c7QIKQMjcfW5fRbM4mFr+S9zRSamsplf6GSETm/z5WG9tV9W/RBZIohUVVF3w9IWZbfK4t/Kk5rTg26+Hj79DdSz7vtxbuwuiuAJXxgPjgfjYDidy9AQwpgtuUJliyZoLm5Oxz2QokOxWRQ= ; Message-ID: <20060127103245.63751.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: Re: BOSE PAS Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 060127 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: labalou2000@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20060127071722.14799.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1628664308-1138357965=:55096" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:32:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1628664308-1138357965=:55096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Luis, Since 2 years I'm using this system and I think it's great. No problem with monitors, everybody on stage and in the room can hear you. Volume is evenly spread. No problems anymore with soundmen from hell who give you a bad monitor or bad room sound. Easy to transport! I use it with either solo or in a group with Chapman Stick,Electronic drums,Vocals,Keys,Basguitar,Guitar,etc. To be recommended, Ron http://www.galaxygypsy.nl Luis Angulo wrote: Hi Gangsters, dont know if this has been brought up but since we are always bring up the subject of too much carrying gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other musicians illnesses i just came across this PA system which would be quite suitable for solo artists like a lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be true!is anybody playing through one of these or had a chance to audition one in a live band situation? please watch every video anyway, they are very interesting and informative whether this system is good or not! cheers Luis --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. --0-1628664308-1138357965=:55096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Luis,

Since 2 years I'm using this system and I think it's great.

No problem with monitors, everybody on stage and in the room can hear you.

Volume is evenly spread.  No problems anymore with soundmen from hell who give you a bad monitor or bad room sound.

Easy to transport!

I use it with either solo or in a group with Chapman Stick,Electronic drums,Vocals,Keys,Basguitar,Guitar,etc.

To be recommended,

Ron
http://www.galaxygypsy.nl


Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Gangsters,
dont know if this has been brought up but since we are
always bring up the subject of too much carrying
gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other
musicians illnesses i just came across this PA system
which would be quite suitable for solo artists like a
lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be
true!is anybody playing through one of these or had a
chance to audition one in a live band situation?
please watch every video anyway, they are very
interesting and informative whether this system is
good or not!
cheers
Luis


Bring words and photos together (easily) with
PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. --0-1628664308-1138357965=:55096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 12:05:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52493BEE9; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cPJAfzGf0dO4Q3O/vtefAFS4Dqs1Ot5ngf8Zb0GcVqV/w6fmoeOEX4d39LkVFz6fMgv/2jQ7dMVhF+q5C88dll8PGIddzl4fUQx1mTa3NGb4ohE96y1kn2lFiqUi7t0gI8lWKl0vNJlSUdnht0beStARAI/cW7TxnrU690I5sOg= ; Message-ID: <20060127120557.19328.qmail@web60423.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:05:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: Re: BOSE PAS Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 060127 To: Luis Angulo Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060127111628.56764.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1499216211-1138363557=:18579" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:05:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1499216211-1138363557=:18579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit some love , some hate it. some find it cold, i think you gotta get use to it. i use 1 woofer with it now, but if you need more bass/balls , you can add more. did you check the comments on the bose site? go to http://www.bose.com en check 'musicians' and check the forum Yes, you can still use the ins and outs of a mixer. There's also a 4 channel mixer inside with adaptations for any instrument or mikes. Here in Holland it costs almost 3000 euro (with VAT) but I think in the States it's around 2000 dollar? I'm not sure, you have to check. good luck, ron Luis Angulo wrote: Hi Ron, sounds like a dream come true! does it have enough balls bass and all ofr a whole band? can u still use it with the outs of a mixer? what did it cost u? thanx Luis --- Ron Baggerman wrote: > Hi Luis, > > Since 2 years I'm using this system and I think > it's great. > > No problem with monitors, everybody on stage and > in the room can hear you. > > Volume is evenly spread. No problems anymore with > soundmen from hell who give you a bad monitor or bad > room sound. > > Easy to transport! > > I use it with either solo or in a group with > Chapman Stick,Electronic > drums,Vocals,Keys,Basguitar,Guitar,etc. > > To be recommended, > > Ron > http://www.galaxygypsy.nl > > > Luis Angulo wrote: Hi > Gangsters, > dont know if this has been brought up but since we > are > always bring up the subject of too much carrying > gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other > musicians illnesses i just came across this PA > system > which would be quite suitable for solo artists like > a > lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be > true!is anybody playing through one of these or had > a > chance to audition one in a live band situation? > please watch every video anyway, they are very > interesting and informative whether this system is > good or not! > cheers > Luis > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. --0-1499216211-1138363557=:18579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
some love , some hate it. some find it cold, i think you gotta get use to it.

i use 1 woofer with it now, but if you need more bass/balls , you can add more.

did you check the comments on the bose site?
go to http://www.bose.com en check 'musicians' and check the forum

Yes, you can still use the ins and outs of a mixer.  There's also a 4 channel mixer inside with adaptations for any instrument or mikes.

Here in Holland it costs almost 3000 euro (with VAT)  but I think in the States it's around 2000 dollar?  I'm not sure, you have to check.

good luck,

ron



Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Ron,
sounds like a dream come true! does it have enough
balls bass and all ofr a whole band? can u still use
it with the outs of a mixer?
what did it cost u?
thanx
Luis

--- Ron Baggerman wrote:

> Hi Luis,
>
> Since 2 years I'm using this system and I think
> it's great.
>
> No problem with monitors, everybody on stage and
> in the room can hear you.
>
> Volume is evenly spread. No problems anymore with
> soundmen from hell who give you a bad monitor or bad
> room sound.
>
> Easy to transport!
>
> I use it with either solo or in a group with
> Chapman Stick,Electronic
> drums,Vocals,Keys,Basguitar,Guitar,etc.
>
> To be recommended,
>
> Ron
> http://www.galaxygypsy.nl
>
>
> Luis Angulo wrote: Hi
> Gangsters,
> dont know if this has been brought up but since we
> are
> always bring up the subject of too much carrying
> gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other
> musicians illnesses i just came across this PA
> system
> which would be quite suitable for solo artists like
> a
> lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be
> true!is anybody playing through one of these or had
> a
> chance to audition one in a live band situation?
> please watch every video anyway, they are very
> interesting and informative whether this system is
> good or not!
> cheers
> Luis
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Bring words and photos together (easily) with
> PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo!
Mail.


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Mail. --0-1499216211-1138363557=:18579-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 13:17:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D81F93BEE9; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CpmED9RgLBfPtXj63XjFNVf2Ct2Q99lnhvCDZmN/2aFHBSOtRkDpWRs7eJ1liqceDRXIxAQfz613FcVYl89Oy3YKa6cSrN5uTxkINITWgFpKuiiEIQjmZr/tz0i8qlw+Ch3nUMHMCyn4vYog7thOj4oCPJkTwapeVI85uIl77A4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80601270517v59f64398o873bd7874ab50b61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:17:30 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Korg padKONTROL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <--wdG.A.DAH.r1h2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:17:31 +0000 (UTC) I know usually we're hunting after footswitch MIDI controllers here, but this new controller from Korg looks interesting: http://www.korg.co.uk/products/software_controllers/padkontrol/sc_padkontro= l.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 14:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8F9B3BED9; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009601c6234b$d2cd0a10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: BOSE PAS Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:13:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Bose very graciously gave Bob Amstadt one of these systems for the NAMM show (and future Looperlative demos) so I really got a chance to try it out. I was very impressed with it's fidelity......................it is also extremely low on feedback, a potential problem that can plague anyone using open microphones to loop as I do. At Bob's Christmas party, his guitarist had a headset microphone on and at one point, leaned over the Bose system (that he owned)....................... I put my hands over my ears prepared for horrendous feedback as the microphone was right on top of the system and.........................NOTHING!!!!! And there is no need for monitoring so you can factor the lack of such a system in the price of the speakers. Critically speaking: I would say that for any instrumentalist using line inputs that it is a perfect system. If however, you are using a microphone for most of your looping and doing a lot of loops then there is the problem of rerecording your sound as you continue to loop which is instrinsic with any monitored microphone live situation. In defense of the Bose system, there is considerably less build up than with conventional monitored live situations. Normally, I play well behind my Mackie speakers and lately, I have been using an inexpensive (but I must confess, really excellent) Radio Shack wireless headphone setup so that I don't run into the problem of rerecording sound in subsequent loops with a live mic. The Bose is a fantastic system, but the way I do it actually has a much more controlled live microphone looping sound. I use a lot of acoustic instruments and I"m beginning to realize that I must start to buy pickups for my stringed instruments instead of using a microphone if I'm going to continue to have multiple layers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 14:18:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95B8B3BEDB; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c401c6234c$90ee2290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:18:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) John asked: "Out of the box, what would be the max recording time for a stereo loop?" I believe the answer is 4 1/2 minutes total stereo looping time. Please correct me if I am wrong. I frequently have run all 8 tracks in stereo with a couple of ambient non synced tracks added to the fray and I never came close to running out of time in my demos and home studio experiments with the Looperlative. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 14:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 598FD3BEEC; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:18:11 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #461 for January 26, 2006 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Message-id: <43DA2BA3.80903@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:20:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060126.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #461 January 26, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Parallel Worlds. The Featured CD at Midnight was " Existence" on Rubber Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the four disc set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. Parallel Worlds - PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== VA [Fear Falls Burning] The Beautiful Decline S/T (Die Stadt) Michael Meara Organic Fields To Resonate and Glow (none) Thought Guild Solus Continuum (HRR) Brainstatik Cosmosis <:gizmo:> Paul Ellis Trillium Silent Conversations (Groove) Palancar Aureum Chaos Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Parallel Worlds Recreation Existence (Rubber) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Parallel Worlds Aural Fragments Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Unknown Lands Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Existence Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Respect Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Unity Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Evolution Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Time Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Unknown Souls Part 1 Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Unknown Souls Part 2 Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Life Support Part 1 Existence (Rubber) Parallel Worlds Life Support Part 2 Existence (Rubber) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll start a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dig It" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the two disc set "S/T" by Z'ev, John Duncan, Aidan Baker and Fear Falls Burning on Die Stadt Records and released in 2006. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 15:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08A013BEDE; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:14:04 -0500 Subject: Re: BOSE PAS From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: BOSE PAS Thread-Index: AcYjVE85jYg8249HEdqvyAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <20060127071722.14799.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi luis, and all... I've been using two of these setups for about 4 months now for my own looping rig after having experienced them up close and personal while playing with todd rundgren this summer. They smoke. Period, end of story. As rick says, better for line level folks, one of which I am, but really all in all, it solves a bunch of problems and I have a better and clearer sound than I ever have had. I do run it in stereo, mono with only one is much less pleasant, and from the audience, it solves the problem of seeing the performer in the center and hearing the sound from the sides. The sound actually appears to come from the performer. Now THAT'S innovation in sound. Whether you're using a big system with support, or filling up the room with only the bose, this phenomenon occurs, finally integrating everything in the room. I know it sounds like I represent the company, but I don't. Can't wait to try it with a looperlative, but right now I use it with a laptop rig and an orville. All best, T. On 1/27/06 2:17 AM, "Luis Angulo" wrote: > Hi Gangsters, > dont know if this has been brought up but since we are > always bring up the subject of too much carrying > gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other > musicians illnesses i just came across this PA system > which would be quite suitable for solo artists like a > lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be > true!is anybody playing through one of these or had a > chance to audition one in a live band situation? > please watch every video anyway, they are very > interesting and informative whether this system is > good or not! > cheers > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >=20 >> On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Ronan Chris Murphy >> wrote: >>> $1400 is ... way less than a lot of Eventide boxes >>=20 >> about 1/3 the cost of the new H7600. with the >> Eventide you have to set >> up your own looping patch if you have some real >> specific shit to do, >> though i'm sure Italo's looping presets are great >> (probably even what >> Bob Fripp is using right now). with the Looperlative >> you have to set up >> your own interface, whereas in the Eventide you can >> have a few controls >> you prefer immediately on the front. >>=20 >> the Looperlative does things which are really tricky >> in the Eventide, >> like half speed, reverse, etc ... however the >> Eventide will let you do >> really crazy shit like put pitch or frequency shift >> in the feedback=20 >> loop which you can't do with the Looperlative >> (because it lacks the FX >> loop i think it should have). >>=20 >> different tools for different jobs. i'm still a >> little up in the air, >> if Eventide had more specific looping algorithms i >> probably would have >> stronger feelings one way or the other. >>=20 >> i can't afford this for awhile so it doesn't really >> matter for me right >> now. however a comparison of pricey looping >> solutions without actually >> bitching about the money part is always fascinating. >> maybe others here >> have some things to say about it. >> --- >> Eric Williamson >> www.suitandtieguy.com >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 15:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608F83BEEE; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mKSf93t2Yv4DnWVxxEkj4nx5rANlXkDeXuNn6We9M91/ESW/U+n0jXZQsjmpg0KeTKAofmEKWE183LgnLfYRT6ks4ymefFe8i1grl6+ZOEzP03LCtysK+3v06aM9QT+R3/p97rzL6D29m5kH/jnco/NJMrCVaLkARbMgYQF5lTc= ; Message-ID: <015701c62354$dfb7af60$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <00c401c6234c$90ee2290$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:18:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives - about 932 seconds mono - or 466 sec stereo - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. That is unless compression is used but I don't think so. A network storage drive using the ethernet link is under study I think. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Looperlative - Max Time? > John asked: > "Out of the box, what would be the > max recording time for a stereo loop?" > > > I believe the answer is 4 1/2 minutes total stereo looping time. > Please correct me if I am wrong. > > I frequently have run all 8 tracks in stereo with a couple of ambient non > synced tracks added to the fray and I never came close to running out of > time > in my demos and home studio experiments with the Looperlative. ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 15:34:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EFE73BEF5; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:34:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYjVOHZb7Hyq/+7QUqfezQVBWL2bgAAjWcg In-Reply-To: <015701c62354$dfb7af60$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Message-Id: <20060127153447.E46E63BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:34:49 +0000 (UTC) That's not a lot. Any way to upgrade to 512Mb or even 256Mb?=20 -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr]=20 Sent: 27 January 2006 15:18 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives - about 932 seconds mono - or 466 sec stereo - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. That is unless compression is used but I don't think so. A network storage drive using the ethernet link is under study I think. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Looperlative - Max Time? > John asked: > "Out of the box, what would be the > max recording time for a stereo loop?" > > > I believe the answer is 4 1/2 minutes total stereo looping time. > Please correct me if I am wrong. > > I frequently have run all 8 tracks in stereo with a couple of ambient = non > synced tracks added to the fray and I never came close to running out = of=20 > time > in my demos and home studio experiments with the Looperlative.=20 =09 =09 =09 _________________________________________________________________________= __=20 Nouveau : t=E9l=E9phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! D=E9couvez = les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. T=E9l=E9chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 16:24:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D7F23BEEE; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oRTE7J+UDvxeB1vcAI+EOKbIkA9Q5G43HkKSTHjZjMF0SjYXMxdTZTU6zfgCiKajfMt/itQk9PzYBZuuzHZofmLttpIMulnanXwtOGiCsm4dcMCycJijYybN4/vZW4leXE4ROfpG6HETpsjSBKTBVLHoyzEtT8xd5kH4FG5jsm8= ; Message-ID: <20060127162432.41989.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: zoom g2-2nd impression To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-378274008-1138379072=:14675" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:24:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-378274008-1138379072=:14675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, i'll give my 2nd impression on the zoom g2. when i 1st plugged it in after xmas, i was wowwed, and then each time after that less and less wowwed. by it self (i've when playing elsewhere in the house away from studio) i thought it sounded decent. when i've played it through my (getting smaller) chain of effects, i have been less than thrilled w/ the sounds. my chain:digital modeler of some type (i'm back to using my digitech rp100)-ibanez de7-dod d12-to digital recorder....my setup has drastically reduced, and i just thought w/ other effects less than thrilled w/ it. the expression pedal-my story-ordered, got it, plugged it in, my studio has an old workbench that i used as my table top and is higher than standard table, the attached cable that goes w/ the zoom expression pedal wouldn't reach the floor, so i wasn't too happy....i did plug it in, played w/ it a bit.....it controls effects parameters ok (modulation stuff etc), but i wasn't wowwed, the pitch effects sounded decent, but i think my rp100 w/ the cheap rogue volume pedal sounds way better, and the digitech's wah is way better, you can control the feedback of the delay, which i thought was a minimal use of the delay, i mean i guess it's ok, for me if i'm using delay i want it to be on, i'd rather control the delay time, which it wouldn't do, so i sent the expression pedal back, b/c i 'knew i wouldn't use it. sort of wish they'd do the digitech thing where the expression pedal can be controlled by any volume pedal (like my 19 $ rogue pedal, vs a 64$ zoom pedal, which if you do the math, you should just get the upgrade model w/ the built in expression pedal). as i've said i've gone back to my digitech rp100 b/c i use it to control delay time and mess w/ that ad infinitum....plus i like the layout of the digitech where i can see what's on, w/ the zoom it's kind of a memory crapshoot, i mean you can usually tell over effected vs. minimal, but there's no way to really tell w/ it, i also don't love their very minimal 2 digit readout-which i understand to keep cost down. to the g2's plus-the tap tempo button for delay is good-i was messing around w/ having the delay set at 5 sec at 100% feedback, and then changing the time to shorter (say 3 sec, 2 sec, etc), it doesn't change the initial stuff that was playing back at 5 sec, but allows you to create wacky rhythm-style stuff (i'm usually saving to 6 sec sample in my dod d-12 to play over live), so it's good for that, but it's a hit and miss, and lots of quick hitting to get everything. and again, the option of 3 separate delays (3 sec in effects, 5 sec in regular delay, 3 sec of tap delay options in the reverb) allow for some crazy sounds if you set lowish feedback times....the effects are good-love the stereo chorus, love the dynamic flanger, the pitch shifting is good (just didn't love the pedal option), the ring modulator is good, thought the reverb was ave, won't bowl you over, but usable....as for the guitar amps models: hit and miss, i'm not sure how close any of them really sound, i do like the sound of the acoustic model, just real clean....but the clean and distorted models i think are servicable, but i'm sure if you own any of those amps, i'm sure you'd laugh, the ones i like the best are the 5150, the digital distortion and the roland JC amp... the funny thing is i think all the presets suck, crappy sound, on my rp100 there are about 5/6 presets that i like that i modify a bit to taste, but the zooms presets are just bad/weird & not even a good starting point. i will probably plug it back in and do a comparison again w/ my rp100, just to be fair, but i'm skeptical. i just wish the 5 sec delay was able to manipulate the time aspect... oh i think the drum machine is good.... sorry for the long bla bla bla....just trying to be as honest, i'm sure as i play it more, i'll have more opinions on it....happy looping...s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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well, i'll give my 2nd impression on the zoom g2.
when i 1st plugged it in after xmas, i was wowwed, and then each time after that less and less wowwed.
by it self (i've when playing elsewhere in the house away from studio) i thought it sounded decent.
when i've played it through my (getting smaller) chain of effects, i have been less than thrilled w/ the sounds. my chain:digital modeler of some type (i'm back  to using my digitech rp100)-ibanez de7-dod d12-to digital recorder....my setup has drastically reduced, and i just thought w/ other effects less than thrilled w/ it.
the expression pedal-my story-ordered, got it, plugged it in, my studio has an old workbench that i used as my table top and is higher than standard table, the attached cable that goes w/ the zoom expression pedal wouldn't reach the floor, so i wasn't too happy....i did plug it in, played w/ it a bit.....it controls effects parameters ok (modulation stuff etc), but i wasn't wowwed, the pitch effects sounded decent, but i think my rp100 w/ the cheap rogue volume pedal sounds way better, and the digitech's wah is way better, you can control the feedback of the delay, which i thought was a minimal use of the delay, i mean i guess it's ok, for me if i'm using delay i want it to be on, i'd rather control the delay time, which it wouldn't do, so i sent the expression pedal back, b/c i 'knew i wouldn't use it. sort of wish they'd do the digitech thing where the expression pedal can be controlled by any volume pedal (like my 19 $ rogue pedal, vs a 64$ zoom pedal, which if you do the math, you should just get the upgrade model w/ the built in expression pedal).
as i've said i've gone back to my digitech rp100 b/c i use it to control delay time and mess w/ that ad infinitum....plus i like the layout of the digitech where i can see what's on, w/ the zoom it's kind of a memory crapshoot, i mean you can usually tell over effected vs. minimal, but there's no way to really tell w/ it,
i also don't love their very minimal 2 digit readout-which i understand to keep cost down.
to the g2's plus-the tap tempo button for delay is good-i was messing around w/ having the delay set at 5 sec at 100% feedback, and then changing the time to shorter (say 3 sec, 2 sec, etc), it doesn't change the initial stuff that was playing back at 5 sec, but allows you to create wacky rhythm-style stuff (i'm usually saving to 6 sec sample in my dod d-12 to play over live), so it's good for that, but it's a hit and miss, and lots of quick hitting to get everything.
and again, the option of 3 separate delays (3 sec in effects, 5 sec in regular delay, 3 sec of tap delay options in the reverb) allow for some crazy sounds if you set lowish feedback times....the effects are good-love the stereo chorus, love the dynamic flanger, the pitch shifting is good (just didn't love the pedal option), the ring modulator is good, thought the reverb was ave, won't bowl you over, but usable....as for the guitar amps models: hit and miss, i'm not sure how close any of them really sound, i do like the sound of the acoustic model, just real clean....but the clean and distorted models i think are servicable, but i'm sure if you own any of those amps, i'm sure you'd laugh, the ones i like the best are the 5150, the digital distortion and the roland JC amp...
the funny thing is i think all the presets suck, crappy sound, on my rp100 there are about 5/6 presets that i like that i modify a bit to taste, but the zooms presets are just bad/weird & not even a good starting point.
i will probably plug it back in and do a comparison again w/ my rp100, just to be fair, but i'm skeptical. i just wish the 5 sec delay was able to manipulate the time aspect...
oh i think the drum machine is good....
sorry for the long bla bla bla....just trying to be as honest, i'm sure as i play it more, i'll have more opinions on it....happy looping...s---
 

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With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. --0-378274008-1138379072=:14675-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 16:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA6B3BEF1; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15945789.1138379141786.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:25:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good stuff cheap...kinda...Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Good point, Per. Just because I'll never be able to afford it doesn't mean it's a gyp. (LOL). When I think of a price in the teens, I tend to think of a hot amp (e.g., Vox AC-50), but IF my proverbial ship ever comes in, I will buy both :-) Seriously, even though this box is way over my head, its flexibility and well-conceived design fascinate me, and I may eventually have to snag one. Someday. After I buy my 1966 Maserati Quattroporte. Yours in Cockeyed Optimism, Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Per Boysen >Sent: Jan 27, 2006 2:18 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? > >On 26 jan 2006, at 23.41, Kevin wrote: > >> I seriously wonder about the price point on the LP1. $1400 direct >> from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a 1/4" to USB cable >> and a software looper starts looking pretty good. The LP1 won't do >> amp simulations and it won't help me answer email either. ;-) > > >A laptop, suitable for audio on the same level of performance and >stability, is actually more expensive than buying a Looperlative. Add >to that the cost of a good audio interface. I just had to make this >point because I see this mistake being done all over - comparing >prices of the cheapo laptops that use to figure in advertisements. >That's not fair IMHO. > >"Looperlative Too Expensive"? It seems reasonably priced to me. The >point in setting a price level for a unique product is to make sure >that you will be able to keep up support, production and development >into the future. So if I should want to buy a LP1 I would feel safe >in the knowledge that the temporarily big hole in my pocket does >guarantee that I'm taking less risks doing that investment. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.looproom.com (international) >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 16:29:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA41E3BF04; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:32:18 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060127153447.E46E63BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060127153447.E46E63BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:29:19 +0000 (UTC) No way to upgrade the memory at this time. I would have liked to be able=20 to increase memory further, but I couldn't do that without either impacting = my planned delivery schedule or selling price. I will offer in future software releases configuration options to allow=20 tracks to be mono and/or 16-bit to increase recording times. 16-bit audio=20 can work if the track doesn't require a large amount of dynamic range. --On Friday, January 27, 2006 3:34 PM +0000 mrweasel =20 wrote: > That's not a lot. > Any way to upgrade to 512Mb or even 256Mb? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] > Sent: 27 January 2006 15:18 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? > > The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. > With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives > - about 932 seconds mono > - or 466 sec stereo > - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. > > That is unless compression is used but I don't think so. > A network storage drive using the ethernet link is under study I think. > > Ben. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:18 PM > Subject: Looperlative - Max Time? > > >> John asked: >> "Out of the box, what would be the >> max recording time for a stereo loop?" >> >> >> I believe the answer is 4 1/2 minutes total stereo looping time. >> Please correct me if I am wrong. >> >> I frequently have run all 8 tracks in stereo with a couple of ambient >> non synced tracks added to the fray and I never came close to running >> out of time >> in my demos and home studio experiments with the Looperlative. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > __ Nouveau : t=E9l=E9phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! = D=E9couvez les > tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > T=E9l=E9chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 16:40:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A0C3BF00; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:43:24 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Message-ID: <38C2F91ECA5B582E66D85AEE@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: <4d9c3c620072ac70379ace0053c0f341@suitandtieguy.com> References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> <4d9c3c620072ac70379ace0053c0f341@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Just for the record, the MSRP for the Looperlative LP1 is US$1499. The actual street price will be lower. There is a batch of 25 units that will be available in 4 to 8 weeks and the direct price on those units is US$1199 + tax + shipping. Any updates to pricing will appear on the Looperlative web page or forum. I won't normally advertise prices on this list. I just wanted to make sure that the information presented here was accurate. Thanks, Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 16:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E1273BF0D; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029b01c6235f$9f66fd70$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01c801c622ca$6e07a210$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601261539l2a6fc6b9v6efe6a79a88eedd3@mail.gmail.com> <269ABF80-45B0-4A3C-8B0A-B235BDCDE73A@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Free VST Amp/Speaker Simulators for Jazz? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:35:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 455, in=210274, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:41:35 +0000 (UTC) I'll check it out, Per. Anything that references an actual amp that is a jazz standard is good. What bugs me is when I use these amp simulators and they appears to be designed for "rockers", showing big 4X12 speakers for visuals, etc. I'd die for a "jazz guitarist" plugin that offered tone simulations of the most popuar and classic jazz amps: A few original silver face Polytone, Roland Jazz Chorus, Fender Twin, Mesa Boogie Mark I, and a few others. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Free VST Amp/Speaker Simulators for Jazz? >I think this FreeAmpSE is the one I have played with too. If so I agree >that it's very good! > > Another one that is top of the line is NI's Guitar Combo's. I had it for > a while on my boxes for reviewing it in a guitar magazine, but I had to > deactivate them afterwards. Especially the Vox sounded best to my taste. > Even better for a jazz tone although NI does market the Roland Jazz > Chorus simulation as the "jazz offer". I'm talking "tone" and "musical > response" here, not "effect". You may always add effects afterwards in a > VST chain but to me the Vox emulator from NI came out as the winner. Not > free, but worth a lot more than the quite low price it sells for (I think > you can buy just one of them - not having to get all three combos) > > per > > > On 27 jan 2006, at 00.39, Art Simon wrote: > >> Have you checked out Free Amp SE? >> http://207.218.248.76/~fretted/ampsims.html#FreeAmpSE >> It sounds good to me. . . >> >>> Can anyone recommend a plugin that is inexpensive or free? I'm thinking >>> a >>> nice Fender Twin, Roland Jazz Chorus, or Mesa Boogie Mark I tone might >>> be >>> good. >>> >>> Kris >>> www.krispenhartung.com >>> info@krispenhartung.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 16:46:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24BB13BF14; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=leA7TeJZUsAGZO8C438huboDRQK4U6vdvkvoSUrXh+/zfyz6zfCLD6P25bjx0WkigCKBnr1mBlc9odZgmoJoXUQqC1fDaUeEg4kv4u3lKeo/0Ru3qipe5UI7Pbrh99z7Y7rOdMCFB+B1kBVjIy3liSfka/Xp2oAEV3aLuE9SPlM= ; Message-ID: <20060127164603.2037.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: OT:multi-effects...my impressions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1874420382-1138380363=:99148" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6S6fd.A.e8H.N5k2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:46:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1874420382-1138380363=:99148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit to the person looking for "a good" multi-effects...good luck...i think you have to play things and try them out, in this day & age and if you live in IA, like me, it means you might have to take some chances and buy some used stuff to experiment.... the harmony-central.com site is real good start to research stuff...the bad thing is the inexpensive pedals like zoom 505 or digitech rp series, there may be 100s of reviews. i have found the main debate is usually: stomp box vs rack stomp box-are usually simple, small, easy to change parameters etc, but if you chain a lot together you get the crazy snake thing going (some say it sucks tone) rack-sometimes sound is a bit better, i had a # of older units and thought they were good sounding, but after awhile found that going through menus got tiresome..i had at one time a 4 space rack that was filled and i loved the sound of it...but i think as most guitarists, we get antsy, need change and found myself wanting different sounds that where flexable and easy to work w/....hence i've moved to more "mulit-effects pedals". for me it's cheap and flexable. right now i'm varying between: digitech rp100 and zoom g2 (see previous bloated message)-w/ an ibanez de7 (2.6 sec delay pedal) to my dod d-12 delay/sampler rack unit (i'm using mostly the samples, the delay just doesn't sound crisp to me anymore, i use the delay if i want extreme modulation from short 2-3 sec to long 10-12 sec manipulations or the opposite)...occasionally if i want more wacky sounds i will put in my digitech synthwah or my alesis ineko (which is partially broken)...for the most part i'm pretty happy w/ the sounds i can get, but like all gtrists always searching.... my 2 cents.....s--- oh some of the rack gear i've had: zoom 9150-liked (tube distortion w/ multi-effects) art sge-thing-hated art sgx-t2-liked, couldn't program to save my life, but liked a bunch of presets digitech dsp256xl-liked for tap delays and has that "80's effected sound" (currently trying to sell it, appears it is worth a lot less than i thought) digitech ips33-loved, but old, sold it, could get wacky sounds though lexicon mpx100-liked a lot of things about it, was one of the few things i've ever bought BRAND NEW, and guess what---THE THING SHORTED OUT! so it sits zoom 9100 (is this the right #)-the multi-effects pedal w/ the long delay (10 sec i think) options-i didn't love, but others have raved about it, has a sampler in a # of the pedal banks to set up different sounds etc. i remember liking a # of the amp models in it though.... again-above are my opinion, i'm sure others have different....good luck... --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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to the person looking for "a good" multi-effects...good luck...i think you have to play things and try them out, in this day & age and if  you live in IA, like me, it means you might have to take some chances and buy some used stuff to experiment....
the harmony-central.com site is real good start to research stuff...the bad thing is the inexpensive pedals like zoom 505 or digitech rp series, there may be 100s of reviews.
i have found the main debate is usually: stomp box vs rack
 
stomp box-are usually simple, small, easy to change parameters etc, but if you chain a lot together you get the crazy snake thing going (some say it sucks tone)
 
rack-sometimes sound is a bit better, i had a # of older units and thought they were good sounding, but after awhile found that going through menus got tiresome..i had at one time a 4 space rack that was filled and i loved the sound of it...but i think as most guitarists, we get antsy, need change and found myself wanting different sounds that where flexable and easy to work w/....hence i've moved to more "mulit-effects pedals".
for me it's cheap and flexable. right now i'm varying between: digitech rp100 and zoom g2 (see previous bloated message)-w/ an ibanez de7 (2.6 sec delay pedal) to my dod d-12 delay/sampler rack unit (i'm using mostly the samples, the delay just doesn't sound crisp to me anymore, i use the delay if i want extreme modulation from short 2-3 sec to long 10-12 sec manipulations or the opposite)...occasionally if i want more wacky sounds i will put in my digitech synthwah or my alesis ineko (which is partially broken)...for the most part i'm pretty happy w/ the sounds i can get, but like all gtrists always searching....
my 2 cents.....s---
oh some of the rack gear i've had:
zoom 9150-liked (tube distortion w/ multi-effects)
art sge-thing-hated
art sgx-t2-liked, couldn't program to save my life, but liked a bunch of presets
digitech dsp256xl-liked for tap delays and has that "80's effected sound" (currently trying to sell it, appears it is worth a lot less than i thought)
digitech ips33-loved, but old, sold it, could get wacky sounds though
lexicon mpx100-liked a lot of things about it, was one of the few things i've ever bought BRAND NEW, and guess what---THE THING SHORTED OUT! so it sits
zoom 9100 (is this the right #)-the multi-effects pedal w/ the long delay (10 sec i think) options-i didn't love, but others have raved about it, has a sampler in a # of the pedal banks to set up different sounds etc. i remember liking a # of the amp models in it though....
again-above are my opinion, i'm sure others have different....good luck...

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Mail. --0-1874420382-1138380363=:99148-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 17:06:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54B223BF05; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:06:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 455, in=221140, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Hello Folks - I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putting my two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted to open it up to the group. Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot controller and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in excellent shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to any takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's Friend) and my entire discography as a bonus. :) My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net Cheers, Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 17:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 843573BF06; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g627c5aLSTv8EFPvl6zqxM4zBB/V25uJ7QgvkKYZoWimujROYys/hsCus/IM3Loe+O9MYpF3SHC/9EEqCyWOgg8nF/16cL7yz88VNyPE4o2TrOWgg7KmRFch1QR+RlFRDsbLiWPnIxrqyOOpPBZo3+R8gTH4hlpMbhqpHi5aZlQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:09:24 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies In-Reply-To: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) am really tempted! Where are you located? On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Hello Folks - > > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putting m= y > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted to > open it up to the group. > > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot control= ler > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in excellent > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to any > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's Frien= d) > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) > > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 17:13:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FD5C3BEE9; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:13:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 118, in=71985, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Boise, Idaho. 83702 Want to meet for lunch? :) K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark t" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies am really tempted! Where are you located? On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Hello Folks - > > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putting my > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted to > open it up to the group. > > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot > controller > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in excellent > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to any > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's > Friend) > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) > > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net > > Cheers, > > Kris > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 17:58:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8FA3BEDD; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mYV8QeXVWX2A6935KlIcG8PrEPQrjB7MNjwOT/hsnducBwvmMGwnt5Ad75RuGAGUN7pKj7Xbjo9h47oGYiLNymS4hdnmLi8+rJBSQ7U4rNhhd3x1j85irbJSzMGubIHJlMDeDqyAuMjDLVeL3HH+BKWPPXcu5oGRlKowKte+z7o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:58:39 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies In-Reply-To: <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Would love to but I am in NYC! Wow, am serously considering buying your two echoplexes.....I believe I could acomplish everything I ever dreamed of with looping with 3 of these bad boys. 1,200 is a good freakin deal. That is what I payed for my one edp + controller last year (new)! What version of loop software are your edp's running? On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Boise, Idaho. 83702 Want to meet for lunch? :) > > K- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark t" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > > > am really tempted! Where are you located? > > On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Hello Folks - > > > > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putting= my > > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted t= o > > open it up to the group. > > > > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot > > controller > > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in excelle= nt > > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to any > > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's > > Friend) > > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) > > > > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Performance Calendar: > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20= Hartung > > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 18:19:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9A1E3BF0D; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:19:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:19:23 +0000 (UTC) I get the digest so here's several replies to different posts. I may be a newbie here but I know enough to trim the end of my posts of old posts. ;-) Before I say anything more though, I'd like to say that I totally respect Bob's business model. I hope it works for him and I think that the Looperlative is a totally cool product. My day job and nonmusical interests give me a lot of insight into this market though. Bob, if you're out there and you'd like to discuss some possibilities offline, send me an email. If not, that's fine, I've got enough projects now. Blah, blah, blah. On to the replies to the posts: >From: Suit & Tie Guy >On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: >>$1400 is ... way less than a lot of Eventide boxes > >about 1/3 the cost of the new H7600. with the Eventide you have to >set up your own looping patch if you have some real specific shit to >do, though i'm sure Italo's looping presets are great (probably even >what Bob Fripp is using right now). with the Looperlative you have >to set up your own interface, whereas in the Eventide you can have a >few controls you prefer immediately on the front. I found the following about Fripp's "Soundscaping" rig at: http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/frip9712.htm "...Fripp then got his guitar and played for an hour and a half or so. The music was pretty dark and spooky - a lot of piano and bell sounds along with the standard soundscape-tone. I got a good look at his gear. His pedals from (his) left to right: Roland GR-30 Guitar synth, Roland GR-1 Guitar synth, a couple of volume pedals, Digitec Whammy II, Rocktron controller, three more volume pedals, foot controllers for rack units. Rack (top to bottom): Pair of Eventide Ultra Harmonizers, TC Electronics processor, two Roland GP 100s, four (yes four!) TC electronics 64 second delays, some processor in between the delays, amplifier. After a while, Fripp stopped the loop (it had been one constant loop, although parts were deleted and added along the way)..." No Eventide H7600 that I can see, although Fripp may changed his rig since the post. >From: Per Boysen >I see this mistake being done all over - comparing >prices of the cheapo laptops that use to figure in advertisements. >That's not fair IMHO. My point is that the smart shopper doesn't buy new. He buys used. Or uses something from his day job. Last year's tech gets big, big discounts. And laptop prices at any given performance point are dropping rapidly. You have to look further down the road than just today. Your competitors are. >From: Tom Ritchford >the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that >Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do >without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a >clone...) Unless Behringer's software--beyond the basics--is written by users in the open-source community. You just wouldn't believe how much hacking of consumer products goes on now. That's why the new Lego Mindstorms license has a "right to hack". It's only a matter of time before the same thing starts happening in the musical community, given the number of engineers who also play music. The standard sound-editing package for radio folks is Audacity, which is completely open-source. Max/MSP is a visual programming environment previously used by installation artists that is now being used more and more by digital musicians and has been used to create a cheap open-source Final Scratch. The new product paradigm folks are aiming at is Web 2.0. Peace, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 19:09:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D71BC3BEB6; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SrZOF1OmRq80d9YVjgPrvNANIK3OhNILB3wFr62z1+U+wlqhUuYXSTAUIvvRENQXI8PWNJzO942vW2rKYt4ezNHceFlMZ1oyx81AaofjfSzAFPK4JoX06/c5rsftYxdwSANsaJ+VD4P9WaRy1gYg5KYyDYiM6a/IHzTlGcc4X4s= ; Message-ID: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2EF2DF7C-D15C-41CE-9FD0-031687B50FFC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5kiyoC.A.rHF.5_m2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Very good point Per. When was the last time you bought a laptop or software and had the developer respond personally to a question posted to a list? NEVER. That is surely worth something. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 jan 2006, at 23.41, Kevin wrote: > > > I seriously wonder about the price point on the > LP1. $1400 direct > > from Looperlative. At that price a laptop with a > 1/4" to USB cable > > and a software looper starts looking pretty good. > The LP1 won't do > > amp simulations and it won't help me answer email > either. ;-) > > > A laptop, suitable for audio on the same level of > performance and > stability, is actually more expensive than buying a > Looperlative. Add > to that the cost of a good audio interface. I just > had to make this > point because I see this mistake being done all over > - comparing > prices of the cheapo laptops that use to figure in > advertisements. > That's not fair IMHO. > > "Looperlative Too Expensive"? It seems reasonably > priced to me. The > point in setting a price level for a unique product > is to make sure > that you will be able to keep up support, production > and development > into the future. So if I should want to buy a LP1 I > would feel safe > in the knowledge that the temporarily big hole in my > pocket does > guarantee that I'm taking less risks doing that > investment. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 19:16:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4705F3BEF3; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uHIhoz/NtP7XsDk0pCmfkhbmFftYoqYNCf6u0PyrIdHiNs/izBEnzOhSPerRMLgDRdc2ijCXtgPBpH1Pu3HEec/KB1lefaM9TiawyVUCqAVxUGG5E5BmnjVv+5DdbFzNbR4LSQQN+njX1LbSK0OMcK3VUsv3BoEAzcw4EbbSMi0= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601271116m5044d9bbnf16f567f4b2fcab4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:16:40 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:16:42 +0000 (UTC) > Unless Behringer's software--beyond the basics--is written by users > in the open-source community. You just wouldn't believe how much > hacking of consumer products goes on now. That's why the new Lego > Mindstorms license has a "right to hack". Right, but that's very, very, very different -- and much easier. If you buy Mindstorms out of the box, it does amazing things. The hackers just add to that. In order for Behringer to ship, they'd have to ship a box that did something useful. They can't ship a box that does nothing and wait for people to write software! Just writing the "basics" of a decent looper that people would pay several hundred dollars for is, as we know, a difficult activity. > It's only a matter of time > before the same thing starts happening in the musical community, > given the number of engineers who also play music. The standard > sound-editing package for radio folks is Audacity, which is > completely open-source. And this has taken them years to achieve and is not based around a proprietary bit of hardware. > Max/MSP is a visual programming environment > previously used by installation artists that is now being used more > and more by digital musicians and has been used to create a cheap > open-source Final Scratch. Again, this took years and years to do and isn't based around a proprietary system. > The new product paradigm folks are aiming > at is Web 2.0. Wait, how did we jump to web applications? None of these programs have anything to do with the web?! -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 19:19:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34DD33BEFC; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,227,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="159140691:sNHT20759064" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060127105833.022d30f0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:08:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> References: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:19:24 +0000 (UTC) uhh - hello? At 2006.01.27 10:19 AM, Kevin wrote: > The new product paradigm folks are aiming at is Web 2.0. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 19:22:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB243BF00; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,227,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="159142052:sNHT22370222" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060127112022.022dae60@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:22:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601271116m5044d9bbnf16f567f4b2fcab4@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Tom covered most of the points. I'll add that the referenced Fripp posting was from 1997/1998 - his setup is very different these days. Search the LD archives for links to various incarnations of Solar Voyager. At 2006.01.27 11:16 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 19:35:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DA5A3BF07; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:34:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcYjXtOQW2Ne/ufJRmerT6m+DRiELwAGYefA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20060127193555.358643BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:35:56 +0000 (UTC) That is great to hear. I have a suggestion for these sort of configurations (there will be = others in the future). Please make them available at the 'per track' and 'per song/preset (whatever you call it on looperlative' level, not just = global. Some tunes/tracks need space, some need stereo, some need sample = resolution. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Amstadt [mailto:bob@amstadt.com]=20 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? No way to upgrade the memory at this time. I would have liked to be = able=20 to increase memory further, but I couldn't do that without either = impacting=20 my planned delivery schedule or selling price. I will offer in future software releases configuration options to allow=20 tracks to be mono and/or 16-bit to increase recording times. 16-bit = audio=20 can work if the track doesn't require a large amount of dynamic range. --On Friday, January 27, 2006 3:34 PM +0000 mrweasel = =20 wrote: > That's not a lot. > Any way to upgrade to 512Mb or even 256Mb? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] > Sent: 27 January 2006 15:18 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? > > The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. > With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives > - about 932 seconds mono > - or 466 sec stereo > - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. > > That is unless compression is used but I don't think so. > A network storage drive using the ethernet link is under study I = think. > > Ben. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:18 PM > Subject: Looperlative - Max Time? > > >> John asked: >> "Out of the box, what would be the >> max recording time for a stereo loop?" >> >> >> I believe the answer is 4 1/2 minutes total stereo looping time. >> Please correct me if I am wrong. >> >> I frequently have run all 8 tracks in stereo with a couple of = ambient >> non synced tracks added to the fray and I never came close to running >> out of time >> in my demos and home studio experiments with the Looperlative. > > > =09 > > =09 > =09 > = _________________________________________________________________________= > __ Nouveau : t=E9l=E9phonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! = D=E9couvez les > tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > T=E9l=E9chargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 20:45:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0F333BEF5; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> References: <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2f991935937f7c6434795498c0366bb5@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:45:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Kevin wrote: > I found the following about Fripp's "Soundscaping" rig at: > http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/frip9712.htm his rig is considerably different now: http://www.dgmlive.com/diary/photos/SVI.2.JPG he's not using the H7600, he's using 2 H8000s. an H8000 doesn't cost 3 times as much as a looperlative, it costs 4 times as much. DGMLive.com also has some free mp3s of very _very_ current soundscaping you might want to check out. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 20:47:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FE793BEFF; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uFlQHHDwlN35DHBhSZcH7V9H+rCSM5yfzN5QnB7Q7HnYZjLS7m2Jc98PhyPO48Yl7VOwLstE8QixTsbeDBRDQS+kjPuKsywaD9adrKWnTCHHgLcZ5v07SSl0eTkg3C+j+iQCAZkUSEhsmYB1Z0zwXsmvK345vzjCnGM45FLuiO8= ; Message-ID: <20060127204754.89785.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: LONG LIVE the EDP and the LOOPERLATIVE was: edp R.I.P ...long live the looperlative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1881701282-1138394874=:87727" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7DkuKB.A.HI.7bo2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) --0-1881701282-1138394874=:87727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit no way... the dd 20 is less than 50 seconds delay time max.not what this looper needs. good lookin out tho. scary mech wrote: At 10:36 AM -0800 1/26/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > >i wont be able to afford edp or looperlative,so for me the rc50 is >crowned king of my world. FWIW, mebbe take a look at the new EH 2880 Looper instead. At least you get a feedback control (of a sort; according to Kim's post, it only takes effect during overdubs). And it's only a little more than the RC-50. Or, for the same money (less?) you could do the dual DD-20 route too... --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1881701282-1138394874=:87727 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
no way... the dd 20 is less than 50 seconds delay time max.not what this looper needs.    good lookin out tho.
                                            scary

mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
At 10:36 AM -0800 1/26/06, daniel stevenson wrote:
>
>i wont be able to afford edp or looperlative,so for me the rc50 is
>crowned king of my world.

FWIW, mebbe take a look at the new EH 2880 Looper instead. At least
you get a feedback control (of a sort; according to Kim's post, it
only takes effect during overdubs). And it's only a little more than
the RC-50.

Or, for the same money (less?) you could do the dual DD-20 route too...

--m.

--
_______
"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..."


Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-1881701282-1138394874=:87727-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 20:52:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40FF83BF06; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060127112022.022dae60@mail02.powweb.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> <20060127120600.430DA3BEF0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060127095330.01af9f00@TheNettles.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20060127112022.022dae60@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8ce33cb462987b6693676efa04098f89@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:51:32 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Come on the looperlative isn't too expensive it looks worth the price..... its just that we wish it was cheaper so we could buy it without worrying about money. The price is fair. It would be very nice if you could get a cut down version that had say 4 loops max only a stereo output etc. but I imagine that that wouldn't make commercial sense and would cost almost as much. I personally don't feel the need for eight loops. I personally wouldn't buy a looperlative at the moment because it doesn't have the features i want. In fact what it has at the moment looks quite basic to me compared to an EDP if you remove the eight track capability... however i can see that it has huge potential. It doesn't have the insert functions which I personally find the most interesting part of looping I have said before that I think what Andre is doing is very structurally innovative, I think it was interesting that steve's demo had the sort of backing track idea with loops over the top i.e. record something play over it and play more over it. I personally don't like that musical structure (no disrespect to those that do) and so until the looperlative gets more features it doesn't interest me. Also I never enjoyed the EDPs button menu structure and the looperlative seems to have a similar one. I.e. as more parameters are added they will have to be accessed via that minimal user interface, that would drive me nuts. A scroll wheel and a few buttons thats in some ways actually worse than a mouse. I like the way the boss rc-50 has clearly labeled buttons and knobs, So ergonomically it looks nice. The sync on/off is one button away etc. which makes it very quick and shouldn't disrupt your musical concerntration. Thats why the Dl-4 is so nice, it might be limited but ergonomically its so nice. Its so much fun. So I would very much still like a hardware looper as I prefer not to look as a computer screen but I am not tempted yet. the boss has many wonderfull things about it, nice user interface, flash card support to save files, what appears to be good ergonomics, 3 tracks (more than enough for me) but not quite the looping essentials such as feedback etc. The looperlative looks promising but doesn't really do too much at the moment in terms of loop functions.... and as far as I am aware and I hope I get some of this wrong, has no way to store you loops? has no insert functions? the dial push button interface looks cumbersome. But I am hoping that all these things come soon... However I don't understand why the one dial/push button interface???? Whats the UK price gonna be? i.e. lets say in 6months it has the features I want how much will it cost me here? I wait with interest. geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D73B3BEEA; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <38C2F91ECA5B582E66D85AEE@[192.168.1.149]> References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> <4d9c3c620072ac70379ace0053c0f341@suitandtieguy.com> <38C2F91ECA5B582E66D85AEE@[192.168.1.149]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--972269010 Message-Id: <9F89C32F-C179-4DC5-987E-D2E99E5A26BF@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:10:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:10:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--972269010 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed its about time. i was wondering when someone would point to the fact that comparing the MRSP of the LP1 to the street price of the laptop configuration is quite ignorant. bob. im a believer. im not the normal looping guy so i may be looked down upon. i have a full band but also do solo gigs. i use my EDP to RECREATE my band. ie. i dont use it as an instrument. just a looper-recorder. i do 50/50 originals/covers. having 8 separate tracks is awesome. and STEREO!!??? man. if this thing works like u say it does, im getting one. on another note, i REALLY want to also use it in my band but my drummer will have to hear what is being looped, separately. i still have my old Boomerang. it has an aux out for just whats recorded on it, not whats going Thru it. perfect. i send that aux out to my drummer and voila. whenever i record, say, a rhythm guitar chord progression, he instantly hears it twice as loud onstage in his monitor only. this way the mix of the progression front of house is well balanced while i solo over it and he can still keep in time to it while he pounds his drums still hearing it clearly. will the LP1 give me this separate out? another thing is, i would like to have it slaved TO my drummer. do u know or can u build a trigger to midiclock converter that the LP1 can slave to? 1 more thing, is it as good at speed variations without artifacts as Ableton Live 5 is? PS: actually on 2nd reading above, i hook up my EDP's from the sub outs on my board. so whatever track is assigned to, say, sub 3/4, will get looped. when i dont want something i simply un-assign it via the sub 3/4 button. this way, i get THE EXACT MIX being looped. the audience hears no difference. even my reverb returns are assigned to sub 3/4. well, in this configuration, i could send the EDP track to any monitor at any vol. so forgive me for my redundant request. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Just for the record, the MSRP for the Looperlative LP1 is US$1499. > The actual street price will be lower. There is a batch of 25 > units that will be available in 4 to 8 weeks and the direct price > on those units is US$1199 + tax + shipping. Any updates to pricing > will appear on the Looperlative web page or forum. I won't > normally advertise prices on this list. I just wanted to make sure > that the information presented here was accurate. > > Thanks, > Bob Amstadt > --Apple-Mail-3--972269010 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 its about time. i was wondering = when someone would point to the fact that comparing the MRSP of the LP1 = to the street price of the laptop configuration is quite = ignorant.
bob. im a believer.
im not the normal looping = guy so i may be looked down upon.
i have a full band but also = do solo gigs.
i use my EDP to RECREATE my band. ie. i dont use = it as an instrument. just a looper-recorder.
i do 50/50 = originals/covers.

having 8 separate tracks is = awesome. and STEREO!!??? man. if this thing works like u say it does, im = getting one.

on= another note, i REALLY want to also use it in my band but my drummer = will have to hear what is being looped, separately. i still have my old = Boomerang. it has an aux out for just whats recorded on it, not whats = going Thru it. perfect. i send that aux out to my drummer and voila. = whenever i record, say, a rhythm guitar chord progression, he instantly = hears it twice as loud onstage in his monitor only. this way the mix of = the progression front of house is well balanced while i solo over it and = he can still keep in time to it while he pounds his drums still hearing = it clearly.
will the LP1 give me this separate = out?

another = thing is, i would like to have it slaved TO my drummer. do u know or can = u build a trigger to midiclock converter that the LP1 can slave = to?

1 more = thing, is it as good at speed variations without artifacts as Ableton = Live 5 is?

PS: = actually on 2nd reading above, i hook up my EDP's from the sub outs on = my board. so whatever track is assigned to, say, sub 3/4, will get = looped. when i dont want something i simply un-assign it via the sub 3/4 = button. this way, i get THE EXACT MIX being looped. the audience hears = no difference. even my reverb returns are assigned to sub 3/4. well, in = this configuration, i could send the EDP track to any monitor at any = vol. so forgive me for my redundant request.
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Bob Amstadt = wrote:

Just for the record, the MSRP = for the Looperlative LP1 is US$1499.=A0 The actual street price will = be lower.=A0 There is a = batch of 25 units that will be available in 4 to 8 weeks and the direct = price on those units is US$1199 + tax + shipping.=A0 Any updates to pricing will = appear on the Looperlative web page or forum.=A0 I won't normally advertise = prices on this list.=A0 I = just wanted to make sure that the information presented here was = accurate.

Thanks,
Bob = Amstadt

=

= --Apple-Mail-3--972269010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B07A3BF01; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:14:43 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C666E@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looperlative Too Expensive? thread-index: AcYjdT2tKuMauev1T56dGgqAPXkCFAAD/Q+g From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Very good point Per. When was the last time you > bought a laptop or software and had the developer > respond personally to a question posted to a list?=20 > NEVER. That is surely worth something. Are you serious? You apparently don't have much experience with looping software. Most of the software I'm familiar with for both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive developers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751843BEFE; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C666E@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C666E@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--971729005 Message-Id: <18EC9D40-FAB9-4C2A-96D6-77F5A16621C0@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:19:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.677 (HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--971729005 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed not Logic Pro for sure ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Jan 27, 2006, at 3:14 PM, jeff larson wrote: > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Very good point Per. When was the last time you >> bought a laptop or software and had the developer >> respond personally to a question posted to a list? >> NEVER. That is surely worth something. > > Are you serious? You apparently don't have much experience with > looping software. Most of the software I'm familiar with for > both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive developers. > > Jeff > > --Apple-Mail-4--971729005 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 not Logic Pro for sure
=
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Jan 27, 2006, at 3:14 PM, jeff larson = wrote:

From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.c= om]=A0
=
Very good point Per.=A0 When was the last time = you
bought a laptop or software and = had the developer
respond personally to a question = posted to a list?=A0
NEVER.=A0 = That is surely worth something.

Are you = serious?=A0 You apparently = don't have much experience with
looping = software.=A0 Most of the = software I'm familiar with for
both Mac and = PC are maintained by responsive developers.



=
= --Apple-Mail-4--971729005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:28:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9B343BF0F; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:31:55 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9F89C32F-C179-4DC5-987E-D2E99E5A26BF@bartholomusic.com> References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> <4d9c3c620072ac70379ace0053c0f341@suitandtieguy.com> <38C2F91ECA5B582E66D85AEE@[192.168.1.149]> <9F89C32F-C179-4DC5-987E-D2E99E5A26BF@bartholomusic.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:28:56 +0000 (UTC) > will the LP1 give me this separate out? The LP1 has two auxiliary stereo outputs that will be used a variety of ways. The first application will be sub-mix outputs of the tracks, but other ideas have already been suggested to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB1E43BF10; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C62388.FDAD3874" Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:31:11 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C6678@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looperlative Too Expensive? thread-index: AcYjh4SUUJGKeznlS7yIbeRb/s8yCAAAEOYA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:31:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62388.FDAD3874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]=20 =20 >>Are you serious? You apparently don't have much experience with >>looping software. Most of the software I'm familiar with for >>both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive developers. =20 >not Logic Pro for sure =20 Sure, the major software vendors aren't going to be any more responsive than Roland. But with the possible exception of Ableton Live, the majors don't make looping software. So if you want a looper, you will have to turn to "boutique" developers, and for the most part they are as responsive as boutique hardware vendors. =20 =20 The main difference is that you can't sell looping software for $1500 so this may occasionally affect their attention span. =20 Jeff =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62388.FDAD3874 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]

 

>>Are you serious?  You apparently don't have much experience with

>>looping software.  = Most of the software I'm familiar with for

>>both Mac and PC are = maintained by responsive developers.

 

>not Logic Pro for = sure

 

Sure, the major software vendors = aren't going to be any more responsive

than Roland.  But with the = possible exception of Ableton Live, the majors

don't make looping software.  = So if you want a looper, you will

have to turn to = "boutique" developers, and for the most part they are

as responsive as boutique hardware vendors. 

 

The main difference is that you = can't sell looping software for $1500

so this may occasionally affect = their attention span.

 

Jeff

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C62388.FDAD3874-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 21:44:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593643BF15; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z0a++pM1sXEzWajI3hsfa03XpQrznX1V0HOkoeigSoc3dqbjd4I/j7Qbn2x4mG3JDfqoqn3BvhSb19Y5uJ3zuny2nCdjoZfo+f3X4k1k0wvHW447K8E5Mi4Z1HcQBrUbTGTGfLEio8rOJNH4GRvSvlS0vwz9bw1Y1xGEMQRR6JQ= ; Message-ID: <20060127214449.26533.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:44:49 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C666E@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-WmeuC.A.QcC.TRp2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Really? I've sent emails to many software developers and never ever had the bugs addressed. What software are you using? Maybe small things like Augustusloop are great in this way, but most commercially made software has huge customer support problems. --- jeff larson wrote: > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Very good point Per. When was the last time you > > bought a laptop or software and had the developer > > respond personally to a question posted to a list? > > > NEVER. That is surely worth something. > > Are you serious? You apparently don't have much > experience with > looping software. Most of the software I'm familiar > with for > both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive > developers. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 22:00:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15303BF0B; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UCJ9+rFjSIxPPZ9uYwFPW+gW3hwCTWIEXdKhDCsQqMGZYqEqrhfi+ay/ZMwPrIJvbz65q7mO123/pQwO2qiOkGspG9ccHgEDj1I8FnJopvFmRPe1ad6zy1WoSprVSyxrSQOhSoeOXvoVd3xDY3Kl7brXbIUFZ9mI1zQi9jKgl0Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:00:17 -0500 From: Jesse Chappell Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <20060127214449.26533.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C666E@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060127214449.26533.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Jeff wrote Mobius. I wrote SooperLooper. I haven't seen too many big commercial software looping apps. They seem to be written mostly by us responsive small-time folks. And considering most of us don't make much/any money off it, I find that a pretty impressive feat. jlc On 1/27/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Really? I've sent emails to many software developers > and never ever had the bugs addressed. What software > are you using? Maybe small things like Augustusloop > are great in this way, but most commercially made > software has huge customer support problems. > > --- jeff larson wrote: > > > NEVER. That is surely worth something. > > > > Are you serious? You apparently don't have much > > experience with > > looping software. Most of the software I'm familiar > > with for > > both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive > > developers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 22:14:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE8E3BF13; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060127134604.01afe4a8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:14:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Looperlative LP1 and Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20060127211048.112113BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060127211048.112113BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 1.052 (*) MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, didn't mean to shake anybody's tree. I just follow tech. I'm not bashing Looperlative either. Replies below. >From: mark sottilaro >Very good point Per. When was the last time you >bought a laptop or software and had the developer >respond personally to a question posted to a list? >NEVER. That is surely worth something. For me? All the time, actually. From the megas hardly ever but from small shops for special-purpose stuff? Yup, yup and yup. Software is service. Maybe the music software/hardware companies haven't caught up with that yet. That will change. >From: Tom Ritchford >In order for Behringer to ship, they'd have to ship a box that did >something useful. They can't ship a box that does nothing and wait >for people to write software! Just writing the "basics" of a decent >looper that people would pay several hundred dollars for is, as we >know, a difficult activity. True. But looping software's been done. And done. It only has to be as useful as, say, a Boss, an LD or an Akai Headrush. As long as it can be added to. >And this has taken them years to achieve and is not based around a >proprietary bit of hardware. Okay, so off-the-shelf components, then. The DSP and memory chips are the heart of most of the digital equipment we see and a lot of it is the same chips over and over. Maybe it's not the hardware, it's the package. And maybe the hardware is open, too. The boutique world for specialty markets is a fine way to make a living. > > Max/MSP is a visual programming environment > > previously used by installation artists that is now being used more > > and more by digital musicians and has been used to create a cheap > > open-source Final Scratch. > >Again, this took years and years to do and isn't based around a >proprietary system. Oh there are a number of propietary bits of hardware out there that Max/MSP uses. And Max/MSP could be used to add features to a looper. It may have taken years but it's already here. Nobody starts from scratch. > > The new product paradigm folks are aiming > > at is Web 2.0. > >Wait, how did we jump to web applications? None of these programs >have anything to do with the web?! Sorry, I should have explained myself. See: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.html for the manifesto. Under all the geek-speak it's about communities being both markets and content developers. The web's part in this has to do with enabling tools and the social networks. Besides the LP1 has an ethernet cable, remember? ;-) I don't want to waste anybody's time on this and I definitely don't want to make folks feel like they need to circle the wagons. The Looperlative LP1 looks like a great product and I hope that all of Bob's plans work out. The discussion on this list just made me think a bit about the paths not taken and what the looping world is going to look like in 5-10 years. If you're interested in discussing this further, especially if you're a geek like me, contact me offline at: Kevin@TheNettles.com Peace, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 22:59:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4534F3BF02; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <029b01c6235f$9f66fd70$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01c801c622ca$6e07a210$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <588ce11d0601261539l2a6fc6b9v6efe6a79a88eedd3@mail.gmail.com> <269ABF80-45B0-4A3C-8B0A-B235BDCDE73A@boysen.se> <029b01c6235f$9f66fd70$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Free VST Amp/Speaker Simulators for Jazz? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:59:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <97CYU.A.zqF.4Wq2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:59:05 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 27, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'd die for a "jazz guitarist" plugin that offered tone simulations of > the most popuar and classic jazz Kris, i don't know about your PC applications but i know that Digital Performer ships with an excellent jazz guitar amp simulator called Trim. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 23:37:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3A53BF05; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a301c6239a$b0fe7640$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:37:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 118, in=72338, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:37:56 +0000 (UTC) What's the problem with living in NYC? I am in Boise, ID...if I shipped US Mail or even UPS Ground, it shouldn't be too bad. I would put the EDPs in the rack, nice and snug, and then put that and the contoller in a box....I'm guessing the shipping would be around $40 or even less. I've shipped bigger racks for less. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark t" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies Would love to but I am in NYC! Wow, am serously considering buying your two echoplexes.....I believe I could acomplish everything I ever dreamed of with looping with 3 of these bad boys. 1,200 is a good freakin deal. That is what I payed for my one edp + controller last year (new)! What version of loop software are your edp's running? On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Boise, Idaho. 83702 Want to meet for lunch? :) > > K- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark t" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > > > am really tempted! Where are you located? > > On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Hello Folks - > > > > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putting > > my > > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted to > > open it up to the group. > > > > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot > > controller > > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in > > excellent > > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to any > > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's > > Friend) > > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) > > > > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > > Performance Calendar: > > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 23:46:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E523BF0A; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03b401c6239b$eb82d1c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03a301c6239a$b0fe7640$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:46:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 456, in=221534, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Oh, regarding the EDP software...I'm not sure how to check, but I'm guessing they have the newest. I bought them just last year, brand new, immediatly after the long back order wait. They serial #s are EOP272 and EOP274. How do I tell? Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark t" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > > > Would love to but I am in NYC! Wow, am serously considering buying > your two echoplexes.....I believe I could acomplish everything I ever > dreamed of with looping with 3 of these bad boys. 1,200 is a good > freakin deal. That is what I payed for my one edp + controller last > year (new)! What version of loop software are your edp's running? > > On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> Boise, Idaho. 83702 Want to meet for lunch? :) >> >> K- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark t" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:09 AM >> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies >> >> >> am really tempted! Where are you located? >> >> On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> > Hello Folks - >> > >> > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putting >> > my >> > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted >> > to >> > open it up to the group. >> > >> > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot >> > controller >> > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in >> > excellent >> > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to any >> > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's >> > Friend) >> > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) >> > >> > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > ************************************************* >> > Krispen Hartung >> > Improvisational Looping Guitarist >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com >> > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >> > Performance Calendar: >> > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung >> > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 23:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA3753BF11; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03f701c6239d$7f4edbf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20060123224713.91112.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Forget leaving the house! Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:57:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 455, in=210754, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:58:00 +0000 (UTC) I've heard about that system. The way they deal with the timing is interesting. On a related note, the other day Rainer and I just tested out a system with my Shoutcast server and his streaming server. We successfully played together over the internet with approx 30 seconds of delay time between parts (Rainer is the technical savvy one and can explain the details). The sound quality was outstanding, and it was amazing fun. We are tentatively planning to perform officially early February and share the stream URL with LD. Get ready!!! :) With the delay, it just lends to more experimental and ambient material. But you're right, we may never have to leave our houses again! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Forget leaving the house! > Hey kids from all over the world! Now you > never have to leave your house again! > > http://www.ninjam.com/ > > Seems like a great idea (forgets about doing away with > unpredictable internet latency and just increases it > to a matter of bars) but I've yet to try it. Who > wants to jam with me... a me that exists SLIGHTLY IN > THE PAST!? Share a common clock and who knows what > nice things might happen? Hell, I've jammed with > people that I was sure were not listening to me in the > present so how bad could this be? > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 27 23:58:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE233BF0C; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TVF/1mIX+ccc8U/OHogoq8yXG9ConhxnFOnfIgTD8fQl8eGkF2Tl0Imky0vEfM1ScmsQzoP4FCmiigJNBiZtmACjbTrVr9JIm3LRbT9Xw6ugBGcP722S3OaZTvlKDHF7PY+uXslAVMAYSop3vppnFWsqAcDfHnP4Jj+EDAElQbM= ; Message-ID: <20060127235817.79890.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Several times I've suggested to Mark Of The Unicorn (whom I've given thousands of dollars for software and hardware) to add feedback control to their POLAR looping module to be completely ignored. Small non for profit programmers do it for love and mostly give it away for free but the bigger commercial companies view support as an expense that needs to be minimized. Could they have sold more copies of Digital Performer if the looper was better? maybe but we'll never know. Mark --- Jesse Chappell wrote: > Jeff wrote Mobius. I wrote SooperLooper. I haven't > seen too many big > commercial software looping apps. They seem to be > written mostly by > us responsive small-time folks. And considering > most of us don't make > much/any money off it, I find that a pretty > impressive feat. > > jlc > > On 1/27/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > Really? I've sent emails to many software > developers > > and never ever had the bugs addressed. What > software > > are you using? Maybe small things like > Augustusloop > > are great in this way, but most commercially made > > software has huge customer support problems. > > > > --- jeff larson wrote: > > > > > NEVER. That is surely worth something. > > > > > > Are you serious? You apparently don't have much > > > experience with > > > looping software. Most of the software I'm > familiar > > > with for > > > both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive > > > developers. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 00:20:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90D43BF19; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <349DDF9C-0D12-41FF-96A2-7AF7872D5EE8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:20:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9y2sr.A._V.Wjr2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:20:38 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jan 2006, at 20.09, mark sottilaro wrote: > Very good point Per. When was the last time you > bought a laptop or software and had the developer > respond personally to a question posted to a list? > NEVER. ALWAYS actually ;-) The Intel based laptop I bought in november was ordered from a small company that provide extremely good support to businesses on a personal level. The people that work there know which components work well when combined into a PC, and they warn you if you order a combination that is not well documented as "good". The prices are not as low as the "cheapo supermarket laptops" but the insurance they offer is something I could never get from a consumer retail company. Software-wise I can not think about better personal service/support than OS (Augustus Loop), Jesse (SooperLooper) and Jeff (Mobius). I have many times seen my wishes implemented into the the software, on some occasions overnight. Can you ask for more? Yes, actually, you can. You can ask for easy methods to change the software by your own hands - tweak it to suit your vision - and this is actually possible by the scripting functionality in Mobius. As for the "bigger" software I'm using, Ableton Live and Logic, I'm usually getting a fairly quick response whenever I report a bug, post a wish or suggest some change (although that's because I'm engaging in planned beta programs that cost me some precious time but hopefully will help the tools getting better). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 00:26:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB843BF1A; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060127235817.79890.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060127235817.79890.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75E3CFA9-2166-43A5-9EB0-FBEDEF51BAD0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:25:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:26:49 +0000 (UTC) On 28 jan 2006, at 00.58, mark sottilaro wrote: > Several times I've suggested to Mark Of The Unicorn > (whom I've given thousands of dollars for software and > hardware) to add feedback control to their POLAR > looping module to be completely ignored. You are talking about product development here and not customer support. They probably already have their own hardworking product development department. > Small non > for profit programmers do it for love and mostly give > it away for free but the bigger commercial companies > view support as an expense that needs to be minimized. > Could they have sold more copies of Digital Performer > if the looper was better? maybe but we'll never know. My guess is that the Unicorn guys do know. And estimate the market rather tiny ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 00:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A9A3BF25; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c701c623a2$47b0efd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060123224713.91112.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03f701c6239d$7f4edbf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Forget leaving the house! Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:32:10 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <-AqDWB.A.rr.Pur2DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:32:16 +0000 (UTC) But with a 30-second lag time, how can they call it "ninJAM"? From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, 27 January, 2006 23:57 PM Subject: Re: Forget leaving the house! > I've heard about that system. The way they deal with the timing is > interesting. On a related note, the other day Rainer and I just tested out > a system with my Shoutcast server and his streaming server. We > successfully played together over the internet with approx 30 seconds of > delay time between parts (Rainer is the technical savvy one and can > explain the details). The sound quality was outstanding, and it was > amazing fun. We are tentatively planning to perform officially early > February and share the stream URL with LD. Get ready!!! :) With the > delay, it just lends to more experimental and ambient material. > > But you're right, we may never have to leave our houses again! > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:47 PM > Subject: Forget leaving the house! > > >> Hey kids from all over the world! Now you >> never have to leave your house again! >> >> http://www.ninjam.com/ >> >> Seems like a great idea (forgets about doing away with >> unpredictable internet latency and just increases it >> to a matter of bars) but I've yet to try it. Who >> wants to jam with me... a me that exists SLIGHTLY IN >> THE PAST!? Share a common clock and who knows what >> nice things might happen? Hell, I've jammed with >> people that I was sure were not listening to me in the >> present so how bad could this be? >> >> Mark >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 00:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23E93BF1C; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2e292674b439878c4102ebd4eec6ae40@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:47:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Declude-Sender: erwill@suitandtieguy.com [63.169.35.66] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbf9a7e6d00d4b368.smd X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 3.0.5.12 for spam. X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 18:49:48 on 27 Jan 2006 X-Declude-Tests: None X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination Organization: NTS Services Corp. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:47:27 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 27, 2006, at 1:09 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Very good point Per. When was the last time you > bought a laptop or software and had the developer > respond personally to a question posted to a list? > NEVER. That is surely worth something. Mark should buy Numerology. we have a special list for support and suggestions. not all suggestions are acted upon, but i know by looking at my Sprint PCS phone bill that we discuss most of them. Per also pointed out some other very good software developers who have open lines of communication with their market. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 01:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 850133BF16; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YG7YAkZlRPS/LL/1K9BIJ5yNPJ80HhsDllbJsasvtMoNLVecQZ7AK3NyogjVwMJ+J3WlRCTInxDJfSp5q0PycPu+5IadSgdkTHKd198ZkzXdI921Vs/Ghy+1mKuQJdwR+Kag999/FKxDHiS81kEiDYMScGNUAVWcKRKEZB3xV1c= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:27:36 -0500 From: mark t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies In-Reply-To: <03b401c6239b$eb82d1c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03a301c6239a$b0fe7640$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03b401c6239b$eb82d1c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:27:37 +0000 (UTC) when you turn the EDP on it says Loop version software.....ie "Loop IV". -Mark On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Oh, regarding the EDP software...I'm not sure how to check, but I'm guess= ing > they have the newest. I bought them just last year, brand new, immediatly > after the long back order wait. They serial #s are EOP272 and EOP274. How= do > I tell? > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark t" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:58 AM > > Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > > > > > > Would love to but I am in NYC! Wow, am serously considering buying > > your two echoplexes.....I believe I could acomplish everything I ever > > dreamed of with looping with 3 of these bad boys. 1,200 is a good > > freakin deal. That is what I payed for my one edp + controller last > > year (new)! What version of loop software are your edp's running? > > > > On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Boise, Idaho. 83702 Want to meet for lunch? :) > >> > >> K- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "mark t" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:09 AM > >> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > >> > >> > >> am really tempted! Where are you located? > >> > >> On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> > Hello Folks - > >> > > >> > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be putt= ing > >> > my > >> > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wante= d > >> > to > >> > open it up to the group. > >> > > >> > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot > >> > controller > >> > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in > >> > excellent > >> > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to = any > >> > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's > >> > Friend) > >> > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) > >> > > >> > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Kris > >> > > >> > ************************************************* > >> > Krispen Hartung > >> > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com > >> > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > >> > Performance Calendar: > >> > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen= %20Hartung > >> > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > >> > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 02:59:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD42E3BF17; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <042f01c623b6$d14afb50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03a301c6239a$b0fe7640$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03b401c6239b$eb82d1c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:59:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 453, in=206234, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:59:15 +0000 (UTC) It doesn't say "Loop IV" but it does say "Loop 4". That answers your question, I guess. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark t" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies when you turn the EDP on it says Loop version software.....ie "Loop IV". -Mark On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Oh, regarding the EDP software...I'm not sure how to check, but I'm > guessing > they have the newest. I bought them just last year, brand new, immediatly > after the long back order wait. They serial #s are EOP272 and EOP274. How > do > I tell? > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark t" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:58 AM > > Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > > > > > > Would love to but I am in NYC! Wow, am serously considering buying > > your two echoplexes.....I believe I could acomplish everything I ever > > dreamed of with looping with 3 of these bad boys. 1,200 is a good > > freakin deal. That is what I payed for my one edp + controller last > > year (new)! What version of loop software are your edp's running? > > > > On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Boise, Idaho. 83702 Want to meet for lunch? :) > >> > >> K- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "mark t" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:09 AM > >> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale + Other Goodies > >> > >> > >> am really tempted! Where are you located? > >> > >> On 1/27/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> > Hello Folks - > >> > > >> > I'm making it official now. At the end of this weekend, I'll be > >> > putting > >> > my > >> > two EDPs and EDP foot controller on eBay, but before I do so I wanted > >> > to > >> > open it up to the group. > >> > > >> > Two EDPs, black-face, bought new in 2005, plus the white EDP foot > >> > controller > >> > and TSR brother sync cable - $1200 + shipping. All items are in > >> > excellent > >> > shape. I'll accept PayPal and be able to ship almost immediatley to > >> > any > >> > takers. I'll even throw in a six space rack (bought from Musician's > >> > Friend) > >> > and my entire discography as a bonus. :) > >> > > >> > My PayPal address: khartung@cableone.net > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Kris > >> > > >> > ************************************************* > >> > Krispen Hartung > >> > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com > >> > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > >> > Performance Calendar: > >> > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > >> > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > >> > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 05:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B83F3BF14; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00de01c623cd$ab3198e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Looperlative on the WEB Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:42:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:42:45 +0000 (UTC) David Battino, who writes a column for the excellent O'Reilly Digital Media website just wrote me and told me that a picture of yours truly demoing the Looperlative at NAMM is on the front page of that website. I was really pleased to see that. http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/ David wrote that column about the potential problems with loop based composition that got a lot of press here at L.D. I wrote a long letter to that site taking him to task for that article (in a polite and respectful way, of course) and he wrote me back and really heard the points I had raised which really impressed me as I had been critical of his original article. Now I realize he was really talking more about the compositional Ableton's Live/Acid/Garage Band world than the live looping world and I have to concur, frankly, with some of his conclusions about the aforementioned world. I have corresponded with him a lot off site and finally met him at NAMM in person and found him to be a very intelligent and sensitive writer/observer of the digital music scene, so I"m thrilled we made it onto that site. You have to click through on that article to get to the small blurb about the Looperlative. At least it is legitimizing for the Looperlative to be included in with all the huge companies who showed at NAMM. Congratulations, Bob!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 07:34:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99DE3BEF0; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YJW1SSLzWMOw5YDpiY6bRooT8LUw2Dd1nbaoieamaLt74p/PM5qCRGoKVD4gXL1Lox0hb/LUD1Z4zB4xpWL84hBLQ34fHa32/z4EWBySTqqeDd6YgTo4Ymp45wcTlNGDoUfm2aL6E2gbqLpM5I13XW8bnzh2dkZb1J0gpcg8J2A= ; Message-ID: <20060128073452.387.qmail@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: Looperlative on the WEB To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00de01c623cd$ab3198e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:34:54 +0000 (UTC) do you have a link or archive # to that original article critical of looping? i'd be interested in checking it out. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > David Battino, who writes a column for the excellent > O'Reilly Digital Media website just wrote me and > told me that > a picture of yours truly demoing the Looperlative at > NAMM is > on the front page of that website. I was really > pleased to see that. > > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/ > > David wrote that column about the potential problems > with loop based > composition that got a lot of press here at L.D. > I wrote a long letter > to that > site taking him to task for that article (in a > polite and respectful way, of > course) > and he wrote me back and really heard the points I > had raised which really > impressed > me as I had been critical of his original article. > Now I realize he was > really talking more > about the compositional Ableton's Live/Acid/Garage > Band world than the live > looping > world and I have to concur, frankly, with some of > his conclusions about the > aforementioned world. > > I have corresponded with him a lot off site and > finally met him at NAMM in > person > and found him to be a very intelligent and sensitive > writer/observer of the > digital music scene, so I"m thrilled we made it > onto that site. > > You have to click through on that article to get to > the small blurb about > the Looperlative. > At least it is legitimizing for the Looperlative to > be included in with all > the huge companies > who showed at NAMM. > > Congratulations, Bob!!! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 09:09:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 709943BEFA; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:07:39 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: beyond_em Yahoogroups List , ASMID Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List , ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , tangerinedream Yahhogroups List , Electronic Music 2000 Yahoogroups List , Jeff Kowal , Daniel Pipitone , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List Message-id: <43DB345B.1070007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:09:47 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, January 14 at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5). 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Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 09:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B44C3BF07; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b201c623eb$9b74fd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:17:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:17:03 +0000 (UTC) about the Looperlative's maximum recording time, mrweasel wrote: "That's not a lot. Any way to upgrade to 512Mb or even 256Mb?" I have to ask: what on earth would you do with more than almost 1 minute a track in stereo for 8 tracks in a live looping situation? Quite frankly, unless you are laying individual percussion sounds for a rhythm track, how frequently would you even use 8 tracks in a single piece of music? The concept of timbral masking rears it's ugly head if you start piling too much stuff onto a track. Even if you are running long ambient loops in a piece, how many of those tracks would you run at any given instance? Unless you are going, purposefully for a muddy mess one isn't going to run more than three or possibly for such tracks at a time. That would give you four stereo tracks at almost two minutes apiece. You can't even perceive a loop that is two minutes long as a loop. Sorry, but I just had to get that off of my chest. peevishly, but not without some sense of humor, Rick ps and forgive me, mrweasel, I don't know that actual answer to your question, but Bob Amstadt, the designer can answer it at the forum at www.looperlative.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 09:36:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEA63BEFB; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.162.66.26] X-Originating-Email: [bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bumpbumpbump@hotmail.com From: "rob cathcart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Foot Control for Echoplex Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:36:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2006 09:36:38.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[562E2090:01C623EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:36:39 +0000 (UTC)
Hi there,
 
I just bought a Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus and would like to hear opinions on what to use as a foot controller.  Am I correct in assuming that going midi control is preferable to using the Gibson floor controller?
 
I'm in the middle of a search of the archives for answers but I'm having a little trouble navigating the list.
 
Thanks!
 
Rob Cathcart
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 09:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BFFA3BF20; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.65.157.99] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <349DDF9C-0D12-41FF-96A2-7AF7872D5EE8@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:57:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Ross Bencina, who wrote audiomulch always reponds to my emails. Gareth > >> Very good point Per. When was the last time you >> bought a laptop or software and had the developer >> respond personally to a question posted to a list? >> NEVER. > > ALWAYS actually ;-) > > The Intel based laptop I bought in november was ordered from a small > company that provide extremely good support to businesses on a > personal level. The people that work there know which components work > well when combined into a PC, and they warn you if you order a > combination that is not well documented as "good". The prices are not > as low as the "cheapo supermarket laptops" but the insurance they > offer is something I could never get from a consumer retail company. > Software-wise I can not think about better personal service/support > than OS (Augustus Loop), Jesse (SooperLooper) and Jeff (Mobius). I > have many times seen my wishes implemented into the the software, on > some occasions overnight. Can you ask for more? Yes, actually, you > can. You can ask for easy methods to change the software by your own > hands - tweak it to suit your vision - and this is actually possible > by the scripting functionality in Mobius. As for the "bigger" > software I'm using, Ableton Live and Logic, I'm usually getting a > fairly quick response whenever I report a bug, post a wish or suggest > some change (although that's because I'm engaging in planned beta > programs that cost me some precious time but hopefully will help the > tools getting better). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 10:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ABEB3BF15; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014b01c623f3$6050a200$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Looperlative on the WEB Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:12:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Rikmond asked: "do you have a link or archive # to that original article critical of looping? i'd be interested in checking it out." http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8685?wlg=yes I can't remember, but you may have to subscribe to read all the threads. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 12:00:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81043BEFF; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:00:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <00b201c623eb$9b74fd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AcYj65pS4Dx2lT9nSp+oG0JorouflwAFAYwg Message-Id: <20060128120019.016803BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops onto various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), This comes in very handy when I play a gig for instance, or when I tour without having a computer around to transfer the newly created loops. Memory can fill up very fast when you base your whole gig on looping with a few tracks (which then you don't want to delete until you're back to a computer for transfer). I suppose using 16 bit instead of 24 bit would solve that problem though and give much more looping time. It's just that I was wondering why the memory was only 128mb and not higher in view of the price of RAM + the price of the machine. Then I think someone wrote it's because the whole system could actually not support more than 128mb. Anyways, as Ben wrote: "A network storage drive using the ethernet link is under study I think" so that would answer portable storage issues. I think this machine has great potential and may well add it to my looping rig when it has most of the features I require for this kind of investment. It's also brilliant that it fits in 1 rack unit. All the best Weasel -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: 28 January 2006 09:17 To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? about the Looperlative's maximum recording time, mrweasel wrote: "That's not a lot. Any way to upgrade to 512Mb or even 256Mb?" I have to ask: what on earth would you do with more than almost 1 minute a track in stereo for 8 tracks in a live looping situation? Quite frankly, unless you are laying individual percussion sounds for a rhythm track, how frequently would you even use 8 tracks in a single piece of music? The concept of timbral masking rears it's ugly head if you start piling too much stuff onto a track. Even if you are running long ambient loops in a piece, how many of those tracks would you run at any given instance? Unless you are going, purposefully for a muddy mess one isn't going to run more than three or possibly for such tracks at a time. That would give you four stereo tracks at almost two minutes apiece. You can't even perceive a loop that is two minutes long as a loop. Sorry, but I just had to get that off of my chest. peevishly, but not without some sense of humor, Rick ps and forgive me, mrweasel, I don't know that actual answer to your question, but Bob Amstadt, the designer can answer it at the forum at www.looperlative.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 12:37:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0A13BF06; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:37:03 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c62407$8b412070$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYjdT2tKuMauev1T56dGgqAPXkCFAAD/Q+gACB8lGA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C666E@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:37:05 +0000 (UTC) > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Very good point Per. When was the last time you bought a laptop or > > software and had the developer respond personally to a > question posted > > to a list? > > NEVER. That is surely worth something. > > Are you serious? You apparently don't have much experience > with looping software. Most of the software I'm familiar > with for both Mac and PC are maintained by responsive developers. > > Jeff Got to chime in here - yes, there were countless examples on this very list. He who wants to find some examples might look for authors "Jeff Larson", "Kim Flint" or "Chris Kline". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 14:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F04A3BF05; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060128120019.016803BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060128120019.016803BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75EFB26C-C9D7-4BFE-9749-CA6EE3FC104F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:12:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0wXSqC.A.mrB.0u32DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:12:04 +0000 (UTC) On 28 jan 2006, at 13.00, mrweasel wrote: > Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops > onto > various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), > This comes in very handy when I play a gig for instance, or when I > tour > without having a computer around to transfer the newly created loops. > Memory can fill up very fast when you base your whole gig on > looping with a > few tracks (which then you don't want to delete until you're back to a > computer for transfer). Given that (above) use of looping devices, as recording and storing devices, it's understandable that one may find 128mb a bit short. Personally I don't save loops though end then memory is not an issue for me. Almost not, I have to correct myself, because the Repeater's 8 mb (RAM, instantly accessible) quite often did set a limit for my playing (CF cards too slow for playing with i.e. changing loops in real-time). But I've never had a problem with the 16 mb in the EDP, probably because the smart way it does handle memory shortage (the real fun begins when you have maxed out the RAM and the device starts acting unpredictably). However... On the computers I use for looping I keep one or two GB ram which has lately led me into adopting different looping styles. Especially on Mobius I have sometimes actually been using all eight tracks full of loops - in my case usually five loops per track - to mute/unmute tracks and quick-jump between loops while playing complementary live stuff on top. It's a also a great freedom being able to take off into a three minutes loop, on a new track, over a bunch of shorter loops that keep it cooking on two or three tracks. This was my first vision of how I would be able to use LP1, but given those 128 mb I may have to rework that vision a bit ;-) Or at least rehearse thoroughly with many mega long loops to see what happens when the memory limit is reached, before doing that at a concert. As said; on the EDP the device comes to new life thanks to memory shortage, so who knows what wonders will happen when the Looperlative transcends that limit? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 14:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B197D3BEF9; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HYJmI6zdEmIlR/VgESvhK7a97U4Hobk9F/Pdv4IhMkJoqQgtan/rD2/902ZF9CBHYPsnBcSKwa7/vT7O85yPiAjCKG+X55LPga1n1rfQwHLjWM6Hw99oPihU8VlmsUaVs43W7JWwIepo3n9SOkVw4rDGlhD8VSWOkjxvmmvHfRI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:43:36 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSE PAS Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 060127 Cc: Luis Angulo In-Reply-To: <20060127120557.19328.qmail@web60423.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060127111628.56764.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> <20060127120557.19328.qmail@web60423.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) I used two of these systems this past summer in a smallish coffee house space, routing my "left" channel to one unit and the "right" channel to the other. They were the tower with the bass subwoofer units. In the right space, these units are ... astounding. Which is to say, they are not the ONLY solution you'll ever need. They have some drawbacks that simpy cannot be overcome, due to sheer physics/acoustics. The sound comes off these things in an amazingly flat and "linear" manner and out past about 75'-100', it drops of VERY QUICKLY. Inside that zone, it's all around you. If you are playing in a steeply pitched auditorium-type space, that flat field of soundbecomes a serious drawback. The A/V guys who let me use these units were setting up an event on campus recently, in one of the older performance auditoriums and had to give up on using the PAS. It just wouldn't push the sound up to the second balcony fromthe stage that was a good 40' below balcony level, so they had to bring in the conventional speakers. Straight line out...just no easy way to push the sound "up" to there. Their sound is really sweet and, as I said, in the right spaces they are absolutely dynamite. In a perfect world I'd have a set of these to go with the arena system. On 1/27/06, Ron Baggerman wrote: > some love , some hate it. some find it cold, i think you gotta get use to > it. > > i use 1 woofer with it now, but if you need more bass/balls , you can ad= d > more. > > did you check the comments on the bose site? > go to http://www.bose.com en check 'musicians' and check the forum > > Yes, you can still use the ins and outs of a mixer. There's also a 4 > channel mixer inside with adaptations for any instrument or mikes. > > Here in Holland it costs almost 3000 euro (with VAT) but I think in the > States it's around 2000 dollar? I'm not sure, you have to check. > > good luck, > > ron > > > > Luis Angulo wrote: > Hi Ron, > sounds like a dream come true! does it have enough > balls bass and all ofr a whole band? can u still use > it with the outs of a mixer? > what did it cost u? > thanx > Luis > > --- Ron Baggerman wrote: > > > Hi Luis, > > > > Since 2 years I'm using this system and I think > > it's great. > > > > No problem with monitors, everybody on stage and > > in the room can hear you. > > > > Volume is evenly spread. No problems anymore with > > soundmen from hell who give you a bad monitor or bad > > room sound. > > > > Easy to transport! > > > > I use it with either solo or in a group with > > Chapman Stick,Electronic > > drums,Vocals,Keys,Basguitar,Guitar,etc. > > > > To be recommended, > > > > Ron > > http://www.galaxygypsy.nl > > > > > > Luis Angulo wrote: Hi > > Gangsters, > > dont know if this has been brought up but since we > > are > > always bring up the subject of too much carrying > > gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other > > musicians illnesses i just came across this PA > > system > > which would be quite suitable for solo artists like > > a > > lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be > > true!is anybody playing through one of these or had > > a > > chance to audition one in a live band situation? > > please watch every video anyway, they are very > > interesting and informative whether this system is > > good or not! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! > Mail. > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________ > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 18:13:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FDBA3BEDA; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <2d7.187c12c.310d0e35@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:13:09 EST Subject: Re: Looperlative on the WEB To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2d7.187c12c.310d0e35_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:13:13 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2d7.187c12c.310d0e35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ricardo, Congratulations! Glad to see you're back among us from NAMM-land. My brain is always fried for about a week afterwards -- and I usually catch a nasty cold too (another thing I didn't miss this year). Judging from what I have heard from show attendees the show was a success=20 for people hoping to find new loopin devices. How went the "looper lunch?" In a message dated 1/27/06 9:43:05 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > David Battino, who writes a column for the excellent O'Reilly Digital=20 > Media website just wrote me and told me that a picture of yours truly=20 > demoing the Looperlative at NAMM is on the front page of that website. > I was really pleased to see that. >=20 > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/ >=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from th= e=20 future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_2d7.187c12c.310d0e35_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ricardo,

Congratulations! Glad to see you're back among us from NAMM-land.
My brain is always fried for about a week afterwards -- and I usually
catch a nasty cold too (another thing I didn't miss this year). Judging
from what I have heard from show attendees the show was a success
for people hoping to find new loopin devices. How went the "looper lunch?"
In a message dated 1/27/06 9:43:05 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:

David Battino, who wr= ites a column for the excellent O'Reilly Digital
Media website just wrote me and told me that a picture of yours truly =
demoing the Looperlative at NAMM is on the front page of that website. I was really pleased to see that.

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn


"The only true free-thinker is he whose intellect is is as much free from= the future as from the past." -- G.K. Chesterton

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_2d7.187c12c.310d0e35_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:09:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBE813BF0D; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pHN4fQ5OsCs6Zf035oa9FBrSe6ZBpC1lQjCoOxOZFQQBVrEr16uvYu8nhx8Hzbq/61NSog1gVXRNAw0WE+PRSj6hYA2KotPl5jwNVrmGBF7qkGUxaK4VI3G4FOBom77/zBFzw0rWRT7tXStxDNWdcEtHfF4Pu/e6F40boWSGgE0= ; Message-ID: <20060128200937.73276.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:09:37 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b201c623eb$9b74fd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6yPyOC.A.X2D.E-82DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'm with you Rick. I always thought my JamMan's 32sec total limit to be more than enough time. When I found out the Looperlative's specs I felt that they were pretty generous. I think if you need more than that you're probably better off with some other sort of device like a multitrack recorder. If you don't care about feedback Digital Performer's POLAR is a great looper that allows as much time as you have ram for. Mark --- "loop.pool" wrote: > about the Looperlative's maximum recording time, > mrweasel wrote: > > "That's not a lot. > Any way to upgrade to 512Mb or even 256Mb?" > > > I have to ask: what on earth would you do with > more than almost > 1 minute a track in stereo for 8 tracks in a live > looping situation? > > Quite frankly, unless you are laying individual > percussion sounds for a > rhythm track, > how frequently would you even use 8 tracks in a > single piece of music? > > The concept of timbral masking rears it's ugly head > if you start piling too > much stuff > onto a track. > > Even if you are running long ambient loops in a > piece, how many of those > tracks > would you run at any given instance? > > Unless you are going, purposefully for a muddy mess > one isn't going to run > more than > three or possibly for such tracks at a time. That > would give you four > stereo > tracks at almost two minutes apiece. > > You can't even perceive a loop that is two minutes > long as a loop. > > Sorry, but I just had to get that off of my chest. > > peevishly, but not without some sense of humor, > Rick > > ps and forgive me, mrweasel, I don't know that > actual answer to your > question, but Bob Amstadt, the designer can answer > it > at the forum at www.looperlative.com. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:29:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9953BF0C; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: BOSE PAS Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 060127 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:29:54 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1oSC9B.A.XPE.CR92DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Ok, If I might chime in. You stated as draw backs, The PAS system's field of dispersion. The type of auditorium you are describing would have benefited from the larger pro-line of linear array technology, and perhaps a more forward, and center placement of the columns. The PAS (Personnel Amplification System) is really designed for more of a small to medium size club performance application. The auditorium you described sounds like it was a bit beyond what the PAS is designed to accommodate. However, You could have given the house guys a DI and used the PAS as your own personal monitoring system with the house providing the Filla for your Killa. The unit has four inputs, the first two of which have the mic preamps and eq/presets for different mic and modeler types (a list they are continuing to build on) that. If you are giving the PAS a submix from your own mixer, it is imperative to use the two line in channels. I was having fits with a persistent distortion that I couldn't get rid off, and because I have been borrowing this system and didn't have a manual, I was running my mackie board into the channels one and two ( the ones with the cool microphone and modeler presets) and low and behold, the result was cascading preamps, and distortion. Plugging in to the appropriate line in channels 3 and 4 resulted in splendid sound, fully restored. Over New Year's I used it with the soul band I gig with regularly in a room that was L shaped and about 110 feet long 80 feet wide, and I walked around on a wireless guitar transmitter, while we were playing to see how the vocals were projecting in the corners of the room, and only when I got out of sight line did the sound taper off, as did all the other instruments with the exception of the bass, for obvious reasons. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: BOSE PAS Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 060127 I used two of these systems this past summer in a smallish coffee house space, routing my "left" channel to one unit and the "right" channel to the other. They were the tower with the bass subwoofer units. In the right space, these units are ... astounding. Which is to say, they are not the ONLY solution you'll ever need. They have some drawbacks that simpy cannot be overcome, due to sheer physics/acoustics. The sound comes off these things in an amazingly flat and "linear" manner and out past about 75'-100', it drops of VERY QUICKLY. Inside that zone, it's all around you. If you are playing in a steeply pitched auditorium-type space, that flat field of soundbecomes a serious drawback. The A/V guys who let me use these units were setting up an event on campus recently, in one of the older performance auditoriums and had to give up on using the PAS. It just wouldn't push the sound up to the second balcony fromthe stage that was a good 40' below balcony level, so they had to bring in the conventional speakers. Straight line out...just no easy way to push the sound "up" to there. Their sound is really sweet and, as I said, in the right spaces they are absolutely dynamite. In a perfect world I'd have a set of these to go with the arena system. On 1/27/06, Ron Baggerman wrote: > some love , some hate it. some find it cold, i think you gotta get use to > it. > > i use 1 woofer with it now, but if you need more bass/balls , you can add > more. > > did you check the comments on the bose site? > go to http://www.bose.com en check 'musicians' and check the forum > > Yes, you can still use the ins and outs of a mixer. There's also a 4 > channel mixer inside with adaptations for any instrument or mikes. > > Here in Holland it costs almost 3000 euro (with VAT) but I think in the > States it's around 2000 dollar? I'm not sure, you have to check. > > good luck, > > ron > > > > Luis Angulo wrote: > Hi Ron, > sounds like a dream come true! does it have enough > balls bass and all ofr a whole band? can u still use > it with the outs of a mixer? > what did it cost u? > thanx > Luis > > --- Ron Baggerman wrote: > > > Hi Luis, > > > > Since 2 years I'm using this system and I think > > it's great. > > > > No problem with monitors, everybody on stage and > > in the room can hear you. > > > > Volume is evenly spread. No problems anymore with > > soundmen from hell who give you a bad monitor or bad > > room sound. > > > > Easy to transport! > > > > I use it with either solo or in a group with > > Chapman Stick,Electronic > > drums,Vocals,Keys,Basguitar,Guitar,etc. > > > > To be recommended, > > > > Ron > > http://www.galaxygypsy.nl > > > > > > Luis Angulo wrote: Hi > > Gangsters, > > dont know if this has been brought up but since we > > are > > always bring up the subject of too much carrying > > gear,bad monitor mix,back pain issues and other > > musicians illnesses i just came across this PA > > system > > which would be quite suitable for solo artists like > > a > > lot of us loopers, but it sounds too good to be > > true!is anybody playing through one of these or had > > a > > chance to audition one in a live band situation? > > please watch every video anyway, they are very > > interesting and informative whether this system is > > good or not! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! > Mail. > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________ > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:48:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5F383BF12; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:49:40 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Looperlative on the WEB In-reply-to: <00de01c623cd$ab3198e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c6244c$5bef1f30$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:48:08 +0000 (UTC) That is one fk-all great picture, Rick! Congrats! Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:43 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Looperlative on the WEB > > > David Battino, who writes a column for the excellent > O'Reilly Digital Media website just wrote me and told me that > a picture of yours truly demoing the Looperlative at NAMM is > on the front page of that website. I was really pleased to see that. > > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/ > > David wrote that column about the potential problems with loop based > composition that got a lot of press here at L.D. I wrote > a long letter > to that > site taking him to task for that article (in a polite and > respectful way, of > course) > and he wrote me back and really heard the points I had raised > which really > impressed > me as I had been critical of his original article. Now I > realize he was > really talking more > about the compositional Ableton's Live/Acid/Garage Band world > than the live > looping > world and I have to concur, frankly, with some of his > conclusions about the > aforementioned world. > > I have corresponded with him a lot off site and finally met > him at NAMM in > person > and found him to be a very intelligent and sensitive > writer/observer of the digital music scene, so I"m thrilled > we made it onto that site. > > You have to click through on that article to get to the small > blurb about > the Looperlative. > At least it is legitimizing for the Looperlative to be > included in with all > the huge companies > who showed at NAMM. > > Congratulations, Bob!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 20:57:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E473BF11; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009101c6244d$78c2c570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:57:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-hhOXD.A.6zE.-q92DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Weasel wrote: "Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops onto various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), This comes in very handy when I play a gig for instance, or when I tour without having a computer around to transfer the newly created loops. Memory can fill up very fast when you base your whole gig on looping with a few tracks (which then you don't want to delete until you're back to a computer for transfer)." Oh geeeshhhhh, Of course, I wasn't even thinking about that function at all, weasel. Sorry for my peevishness. My bad...........apologies. Rick Also, remember that there is the option of offloading or uploading samples via the ethernet port on the back and I do know that Bob has talked seriously about coming up with a harddrive ethernet solution for this very same thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 21:02:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B9C93BF1B; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looperlative - Max Time? Thread-Index: AcYkTi28bEPJTJBBEdqXkgAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <009101c6244d$78c2c570$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:02:48 +0000 (UTC) And imagine having a server up in the ether just for your loops or for trading them. A dot.mac just for us loopfolks. T. On 1/28/06 3:57 PM, "loop.pool" wrote: > Weasel wrote: > "Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops onto > various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), > This comes in very handy when I play a gig for instance, or when I tour > without having a computer around to transfer the newly created loops. > Memory can fill up very fast when you base your whole gig on looping with= a > few tracks (which then you don't want to delete until you're back to a > computer for transfer)." >=20 >=20 > Oh geeeshhhhh, Of course, I wasn't even thinking about that function = at > all, weasel. > Sorry for my peevishness. >=20 > My bad...........apologies. Rick >=20 > Also, remember that there is the option of offloading or uploading sample= s > via > the ethernet port on the back and I do know that Bob has talked seriously > about > coming up with a harddrive ethernet solution for this very same thing. >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 23:07:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A441B3BEF1; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,230,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="1903996775:sNHT24532998" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--878796989 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:07:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:07:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--878796989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yo gang! I just switched off my AOL account subscription to the LD list and started up a new subscription on my Charter Digital Cable address. I am hoping to completely sever myself from AOL very shortly. There are fewer and fewer benefits for hanging on . . . although it was nice to be able to move around the country for the past 15 years and never change my e-mail address (AOL is everywhere) even if my street address, state and zip changed. Anyhoo . . . onward and upward. tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-6--878796989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yo gang! I just switched off my AOL account subscription to the LD list and=20 started up a new subscription on my Charter Digital Cable address. I am hoping to completely sever myself from AOL very shortly. There are fewer and fewer benefits for hanging on . . . although=20 it was nice to be able to move around the country for the past=20 15 years and never change my e-mail address (AOL is everywhere) even if my street address, state and zip changed. Anyhoo . . .=20 onward and upward. tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-6--878796989-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 23:35:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB453BEF6; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iHLdYJa2EKHeNkZvBDqcXUJPo4iUsseo+AqrK8oNA6iBHS+HUV2JY051y4TAiP7apHfxfQFH7mcatjXLFCYDua2DU8ii0Sop3BJYQDR7dGMtr6dERU0SdHMw1aOclu98YKN5u+qAAq/PTKy4Fm2+3mwMXHq0KtZfs4BpNNUJfKc= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:35:24 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT magicicada "everyone is everyone" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Hello All, I just recently released a new disc of experimental/psychoacoustic/left-field ambient sorta stuff that some of you may enjoy, on the very supportive and awesome label, Public Guilt. ( http://www.publicguilt.com ) If you are interested in hearing a sampling of some of the tunes you can go to http://myspace.com/magicicada and check 'em out. Everysong but one, on my space is from the disc. A lot of live looping on this album. There is a full explanation of the pieces (if you care about such things) on myspace and at http://www.magicicada.com. Thanks a ton and have an awesome night/day/afternoon/morning/century. sending the good vibe your way, -Christopher White http://www.magicicada.com http://myspace.com/magicicada http://www.publicguilt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 28 23:37:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40AFE3BEF1; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060128152659.04fcf500@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:40:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <20060128120019.016803BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <00b201c623eb$9b74fd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060128120019.016803BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:37:04 +0000 (UTC) At 04:00 AM 1/28/2006, mrweasel wrote: >Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops onto >various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), Does the Looperlative have on-board storage of loops? I was under the impression the memory was not saved when powered off. Which is ok with me, Real Loopers don't save their loops. :-) And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of goodness for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this loop time? If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long loops, please don't invite me! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 00:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9143BEFA; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <00ac5f7b6d867affc670c099786cc856@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: ted's new address Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:23:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:24:01 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 28, 2006, at 5:07 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? why not emusic? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 00:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0109F3BEF5; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:35:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060128152659.04fcf500@loopers-delight.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYkY77peqHqjLqUTDu5bbMo8v1YcwACBiMg Message-Id: <20060129003513.74BDA3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:35:15 +0000 (UTC) whatever -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: 28 January 2006 23:40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? At 04:00 AM 1/28/2006, mrweasel wrote: >Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops >onto various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), Does the Looperlative have on-board storage of loops? I was under the impression the memory was not saved when powered off. Which is ok with me, Real Loopers don't save their loops. :-) And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of goodness for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this loop time? If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long loops, please don't invite me! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 00:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 989893BEF1; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c6246d$3e36ece0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060129003513.74BDA3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:45:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:45:02 +0000 (UTC) << If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long loops >> Seems like there were more than a few that long on the Y2K5 MP3's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrweasel" To: Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? > whatever > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: 28 January 2006 23:40 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? > > At 04:00 AM 1/28/2006, mrweasel wrote: >>Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops >>onto various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), > > Does the Looperlative have on-board storage of loops? I was under the > impression the memory was not saved when powered off. > > Which is ok with me, Real Loopers don't save their loops. :-) > > And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of > goodness > for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this loop time? If > any > of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long loops, > please > don't invite me! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 01:05:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E6633BEFB; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c62470$001c4e70$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:04:46 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to the REAL Internet! Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: tEd ® kiLLiAn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, 28 January, 2006 23:07 PM Yo gang! I just switched off my AOL account subscription to the LD list and started up a new subscription on my Charter Digital Cable address. I am hoping to completely sever myself from AOL very shortly. There are fewer and fewer benefits for hanging on . . . although it was nice to be able to move around the country for the past 15 years and never change my e-mail address (AOL is everywhere) even if my street address, state and zip changed. Anyhoo . . . onward and upward. tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 01:25:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7277D3BEF8; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.442c9a05.310d7365@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:24:53 EST Subject: Re: BOSE PAS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_19c.442c9a05.310d7365_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:25:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_19c.442c9a05.310d7365_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/06 3:29:58 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: > If I might chime in. > bill.....compared to the srm's, is it an easier (lighter) schlepp to move the bose set up, assuming you are using 2 for stereo and both will have a sub?.....i love my srm's but they continue to be way too big for what i need, in fact the very thought of moving them makes me shudder!.....thnaks.....mic --part1_19c.442c9a05.310d7365_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/28/06 3:29:58 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


If I might chime in.<= BR>

bill.....compared to the srm's, is it an easier (lighter) schlepp to move th= e bose set up, assuming you are using 2 for stereo and both will have a sub?= .....i love my srm's but they continue to be way too big for what i need, in= fact the very thought of moving them makes me shudder!.....thnaks.....mic --part1_19c.442c9a05.310d7365_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 01:27:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F1C3BEFF; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,230,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="159621449:sNHT24226964" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060128172338.0123fe60@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:27:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <001c01c6246d$3e36ece0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> References: <20060129003513.74BDA3BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Which ones for example? At 2006.01.28 04:45 PM, Paul wrote: ><< If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long >loops >> > >Seems like there were more than a few that long on the Y2K5 MP3's. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 01:32:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B873BF01; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:32:01 -0500 Subject: Re: BOSE PAS From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: BOSE PAS Thread-Index: AcYkc80/C7odHJBnEdqXkgAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <19c.442c9a05.310d7365@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3221325122_6061985" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:32:04 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3221325122_6061985 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable No, if I myself might chime it... Excuse me bill, but I wanted to add... These things are NOT light. The sub is the easiest part. The amp itself is very heavy, the two pillar parts are less heavy, but stil= l one in each hand, and the sub is the lightest part, like a light guitar amp= . An amp in each hand to start and I already get tired. Therefore I don=B9t carry them to EVERY gig. Two jbl=B9s or mackie 15s would be a little heavier than each piece, but, you=B9re talking eight separate pieces for a bose stere= o setup, so ease and lightness is not really the reason to get =8Cem. Bill wha= t do YOU think? T. On 1/28/06 8:24 PM, "Nemoguitt@aol.com" wrote: >=20 > In a message dated 1/28/06 3:29:58 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: >=20 >=20 > If I might chime in. >=20 > bill.....compared to the srm's, is it an easier (lighter) schlepp to move= the > bose set up, assuming you are using 2 for stereo and both will have a > sub?.....i love my srm's but they continue to be way too big for what i n= eed, > in fact the very thought of moving them makes me shudder!.....thnaks.....= mic >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3221325122_6061985 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: BOSE PAS No, if I myself might = chime it...

Excuse me bill, but I wanted to add...  

These things are NOT light.  The sub is the easiest part.  

The amp itself is very heavy, the two pillar parts are less heavy, but stil= l one in each hand, and the sub is the lightest part, like a light guitar am= p.

An amp in each hand to start and I already get tired.  Therefore I don= ’t carry them to EVERY gig.  Two jbl’s or mackie 15s would = be a little heavier than each piece, but, you’re talking eight separat= e pieces for a bose stereo setup, so ease and lightness is not really the re= ason to get ‘em.  Bill what do YOU think?

T.


On 1/28/06 8:24 PM, "Nemoguitt@aol.com" <Nemoguitt@aol.com>= wrote:


In a message dated 1/28/06 3:29:58 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


If I might chime in.

bill.....compared to the srm's, is it an easier (lighter) schlepp to move t= he bose set up, assuming you are using 2 for stereo and both will have a sub= ?.....i love my srm's but they continue to be way too big for what i need, i= n fact the very thought of moving them makes me shudder!.....thnaks.....mic<= BR>


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“Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
“Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.   917 576-6166
Fax    419 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com


todd@toddreynolds.com
9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
AIM ID: toddreyn


 --B_3221325122_6061985-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 01:38:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8463BF02; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,231,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="1883149191:sNHT30046066" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <00ac5f7b6d867affc670c099786cc856@suitandtieguy.com> References: <00ac5f7b6d867affc670c099786cc856@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--869762439 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: ted's new address Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:38:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <5X6dGC.A.BQF.lyB3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:38:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--869762439 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hehehehe, Hokay, boys and girls, let's put on our whirly caps and step into the=20 magic time machine with Uncle Ted. I think you mentioned that one to me once before. Didn't=20 you? Let me check the LD Archives. Yep. Here it is: Message dated 7/4/04 1:52:37 AM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com writes: >Emusic.com is my favorite. And I replied: All that string of type has followed my "signature" for a while now. Yes, CDbaby is the outfit that got me the bulk of that distribution. They haven't come through with an Emusic connection for me yet though. I have no idea why. Maybe Emusic has better taste than that. Now . . . back to the future . . . or present (as it were): I think it has something to do with not really wanting to GIVE AWAY=20 what I and others are trying pretty hard to sell elsewhere. It hardly makes much sense to have my=20 music up for purchase on iTunes and TowerRecords.com if someone can just go to Emusic and=20 download my whole CD as 10 of the 50 FREE downloads you get when you join (or for only 25=20 cents after joining). I don't sell a lot of CDs but I do sell some. Same goes with digital=20 downloads. I give away plenty of CDs as gifts and promotional swag anyway. Jeff Kaiser who owns and=20 runs the pfMENTUM label would probably not appreciate my undercutting his label price by=20= THAT much either. And, I suspect that the 50 FREE and 25 CENTS PER SONG THEREAFTER terms were=20= counter to CDBaby's digital distribution business aims too. Why give a sweeter=20 minimum pricing deal to an outfit like Emusic than it gives to Apples iTunes for gosh sake? I do think Emusic might perhaps be a nice place to start if I didn't=20 have any other connections. But, however, I do have other connections and distribution options=20 already in place. Putting my tunes up at Emusic now (it seems to me) would only undercut those=20 with whom I've already gone into a sort of "partnership" relationship with. I can't think of a=20= single good reason why I would want to do that. Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Jan 28, 2006, at 5:07 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > why not emusic? > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com --Apple-Mail-7--869762439 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hehehehe, Hokay, boys and girls, let's put on our whirly caps and step into the magic time machine with=20 Uncle Ted. I think you mentioned that one to me once before. Didn't you? Let me check the=20 LD Archives.=20 Yep. Here it is: 4040,0000,8080Message dated 7/4/04 1:52:37 AM, erwill@suitandtieguy.com writes: >Emusic.com is my favorite. And I replied: 0000,0000,8080All that string of type has followed my "signature" for a while now. Yes, CDbaby is the outfit that got me the bulk of that distribution. They haven't come through with an Emusic connection for me yet though.=20= I have no idea why. Maybe Emusic has better taste than that. Now . . . back to the future . . . or present (as it were): I think it has something to do with not really wanting to GIVE AWAY what I and others are trying=20 pretty hard to sell elsewhere. It hardly makes much sense to have my music up for purchase on=20 iTunes and TowerRecords.com if someone can just go to Emusic and download my whole CD=20 as 10 of the 50 FREE downloads you get when you join (or for only 25 cents after joining). I don't sell a lot of CDs but I do sell some. Same goes with digital downloads. I give away plenty=20 of CDs as gifts and promotional swag anyway. Jeff Kaiser who owns and runs the pfMENTUM label would probably not appreciate my undercutting his label price by THAT much either. And, I suspect that the 50 FREE and 25 CENTS PER SONG THEREAFTER terms were counter to=20 CDBaby's digital distribution business aims too. Why give a sweeter minimum pricing deal=20 to an outfit like Emusic than it gives to Apples iTunes for gosh sake? I do think Emusic might perhaps be a nice place to start if I didn't have any other connections. But, however, I do have other connections and distribution options already in place. Putting=20 my tunes up at Emusic now (it seems to me) would only undercut those with whom I've already=20 gone into a sort of "partnership" relationship with. I can't think of a single good reason why I=20 would want to do that. Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: On Jan 28, 2006, at 5:07 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? why not emusic? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com --Apple-Mail-7--869762439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 02:03:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 104493BEF0; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <97.6fb78d16.310d7c78@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:03:36 EST Subject: Re: Looperlative on the WEB To: looppool@cruzio.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_97.6fb78d16.310d7c78_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:03:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_97.6fb78d16.310d7c78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/06 12:43:05 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/ > nice pic rick!.....it's a shame you don't care about your nails like the other LOOPERLATIVE demoer does.....:)m --part1_97.6fb78d16.310d7c78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/28/06 12:43:05 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


http://digitalmedia.o= reilly.com/


nice pic rick!.....it's a shame you don't care about your nails like the oth= er LOOPERLATIVE demoer does.....:)m --part1_97.6fb78d16.310d7c78_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 02:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0F63BEFA; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nolD0/3DhY4nFN4mVQcGH5CZLjMkuBpIDhMlvNg4HpOYZMOswepKF7J1WWc0T44C; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:54:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? From: stanitarium To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060128152659.04fcf500@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48416133cd2bea396030d59de2bbc7c14393caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.219.210 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:56:00 +0000 (UTC) ummm-hold on now...i almost always concur w/ Kim on a variety of thanggs including loop length...(plus he's the leader of the pack and it cant hurt :-) I always go back to the chestnut from Paul Klee: " Adapt yourself to the contents of the paintbox" -kinda like Jaco w/ 1.2 sec. and frisell w/ 16sec. however my goto looper these days (in trying to stay in the analogue world) is the Z-Vex loop junky which i love and have found how to JUST do a loop w/ the essence of what it is. this unit saves the last loop even after being disconnected...dont know why Mr. Z included this-but i consider it a REAL LOOPER...or did i as usual misunderstand kim and you were talking about people loopers? seeya pooperlooper stan on 1/28/06 3:40 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Which is ok with me, Real Loopers don't save their loops. :-) > And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of > goodness for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this loop > time? If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long > loops, please don't invite me! >> kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 04:01:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 036E63BEF8; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iRpoOOrCkGf3Hiwp1/MSDUDna0YZt87jaFeESBtkp+oFy7IHC+q/6AkFLOQ91LIVyUrqMx3nCEWs7B6LZtZFPr1Vnru3m81F6b3931Sh8ycc3/tMTH4jM7yv9sFWn04Gj7ongfc9wNCDXrcYMEUZRwYLeseFCYFaDGkEQgsJpeY= ; Message-ID: <20060129040132.17358.qmail@web34914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: OT: multi-effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4C8058EE-70CB-4051-A06F-633311421E97@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-160277440-1138507292=:16407" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:01:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-160277440-1138507292=:16407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to everybody that chimed in with suggestions in response to general question about multi-effects - I'll give the vox tonelab, zoom g2, and the digitch rp100 a look next time I'm in my local music shop. The digitech model seems to be the easiest reach financially so it'll probably be the one I'll go for. My general aim to become a solo act in the free/improv/non-idiomatic music area with my electric bass on a table with one or two cassettes playing music/sound that I've found/made myself. To make things varied, I'd like to be have a bunch of effects involved and running split signals to a small mixer so I can vary the volume between the effected and non-effected. Because it's on table, I'm shying away from multi-effects that have foot controllers but will still consider them if the price is right. Why on a table with everything within arm's reach? I like putting my bass in a way that keeps me playing it conventionally and (hopefully) cliche free. Also, I've seen seated players who are bent over half the time fiddling with their effects and when I'm playing I'm not interested in having the audience think that I'm puking nor making my physio even richer by having to work on my back twice as often as she already is. I know this kind of things has been done before (Keith Rowe comes to mind) and I'm still at the wool-gathering stage so I'm looking for a smattering of individual pedals or a mult-effect unit without sinking big bucks into it in case it doesn't pan out. (Some may recall that I sent out a wtb email for effects a little while ago. Any word on the shipping cost for that distortion pedal, warren?) I've got an rc20xl and a few pedals already (thanks again for the dod delay, paul!) and I'm just looking for one or two utility pieces of hardware to see if this path will be fruitful or not. I'd much rather be playing with living people but there's not many that I know of that are into this in my neck of the woods. Also, maybe more importantly, I'm already a little busy with two musical groups (community orchestra [playing prokofiev and chopin in eight weeks] and a contemporary music ensembe [terry riley's "in c" in seven weeks] - playing double bass in both, btw) and this way, I can tinker with something on my own time and, with headphones, don't have to worry about where to rehearse and bothering my wife and neighbours. ted harms. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-160277440-1138507292=:16407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Thanks to everybody that chimed in with suggestions in response to general question about multi-effects - I'll give the vox tonelab, zoom g2, and the digitch rp100 a look next time I'm in my local music shop.  The digitech model seems to be the easiest reach financially so it'll probably be the one I'll go for.
 
My general aim to become a solo act in the free/improv/non-idiomatic music area with my electric bass on a table with one or two cassettes playing music/sound that I've found/made myself.  To make things varied, I'd like to be have a bunch of effects involved and running split signals to a small mixer so I can vary the volume between the effected and non-effected.  Because it's on table, I'm shying away from multi-effects that have foot controllers but will still consider them if the price is right.
 
Why on a table with everything within arm's reach?  I like putting my bass in a way that keeps me playing it conventionally and (hopefully) cliche free.  Also, I've seen seated players who are bent over half the time fiddling with their effects and when I'm playing I'm not interested in having the audience think that I'm puking nor making my physio even richer by having to work on my back twice as often as she already is.
 
I know this kind of things has been done before (Keith Rowe comes to mind) and I'm still at the wool-gathering stage so I'm looking for a smattering of individual pedals or a mult-effect unit without sinking big bucks into it in case it doesn't pan out.  (Some may recall that I sent out a wtb email for effects a little while ago.  Any word on the shipping cost for that distortion pedal, warren?)
 
I've got an rc20xl and a few pedals already (thanks again for the dod delay, paul!) and I'm just looking for one or two utility pieces of hardware to see if this path will be fruitful or not.
 
I'd much rather be playing with living people but there's not many that I know of that are into this in my neck of the woods.  Also, maybe more importantly, I'm already a little busy with two musical groups (community orchestra [playing prokofiev and chopin in eight weeks] and a contemporary music ensembe [terry riley's "in c" in seven weeks] - playing double bass in both, btw) and this way, I can tinker with something on my own time and, with headphones, don't have to worry about where to rehearse and bothering my wife and neighbours.
 

ted harms.

Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --0-160277440-1138507292=:16407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 05:34:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9D103BEF3; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060128211920.04d1b7b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:37:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060128152659.04fcf500@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:34:07 +0000 (UTC) At 06:54 PM 1/28/2006, stanitarium wrote: >however my goto looper these days (in trying to stay in the analogue world) >is the Z-Vex loop junky which i love and have found how to JUST do a loop w/ >the essence of what it is. this unit saves the last loop even after being >disconnected...dont know why Mr. Z included this-but i consider it a REAL >LOOPER...or did i as usual misunderstand kim and you were talking about >people loopers? I was talking about people, sorry if misunderstood. in any case, I consider the z.vex loop junky to be a phrase sampler rather than a looper, because it doesn't allow you to overdub... >on 1/28/06 3:40 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > Which is ok with me, Real Loopers don't save their loops. :-) i.e., with people who are serious about looping and have been doing it for some time, they usually are performing a whole process with loops. Building it up, taking stuff out, manipulating the loops, changing the loops, evolving it from one thing to another. There is not some static point where you would save something. There is a whole process from point a to point b that you might save, but that can be done with any recording device. It's movies rather than photos. A lot of people turn up asking questions about saving/recalling loops, and often it seems to me they are really looking for a sampler rather than a looper. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 07:39:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802193BEFE; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: BOSE PAS Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:39:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C62464.1685E100" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:39:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C62464.1685E100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: BOSE PASWell its not just the weight which is a factor, but the hoisting it up on speaker stands that is more of an issue with back problems, to me the fact that the PAS has more moving parts does mean more trips, but I would say the heaviest part of the system, the aforementioned base board /power amp/ mixing console is considerably lighter in weight than a mackie SM450. Now the new lighter weight SM350s that I own, are much lighter weight the the SM450's, though are lower powered and have a smaller driver, that might be an option as well. I also don't think two systems are necessary unless one absolutely has to have stereo, but there is no reason one couldn't combine a PAS with components from a conventional system to achieve stereo. example: a PAS and a single SM450 or 350 for combined for stereo applications. I've tried it and it works great. Bill -----Original Message----- From: todd reynolds [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSE PAS No, if I myself might chime it... Excuse me bill, but I wanted to add... These things are NOT light. The sub is the easiest part. The amp itself is very heavy, the two pillar parts are less heavy, but still one in each hand, and the sub is the lightest part, like a light guitar amp. An amp in each hand to start and I already get tired. Therefore I don’t carry them to EVERY gig. Two jbl’s or mackie 15s would be a little heavier than each piece, but, you’re talking eight separate pieces for a bose stereo setup, so ease and lightness is not really the reason to get ‘em. Bill what do YOU think? T. On 1/28/06 8:24 PM, "Nemoguitt@aol.com" wrote: In a message dated 1/28/06 3:29:58 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: If I might chime in. bill.....compared to the srm's, is it an easier (lighter) schlepp to move the bose set up, assuming you are using 2 for stereo and both will have a sub?.....i love my srm's but they continue to be way too big for what i need, in fact the very thought of moving them makes me shudder!.....thnaks.....mic -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C62464.1685E100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: BOSE PAS
Well=20 its not just the weight which is a factor, but the hoisting it up =  on=20 speaker stands that is  more of an issue with back problems, to me=20 the  fact that the PAS has more moving parts does mean more trips, = but I=20 would say the heaviest part of the system, the aforementioned base board = /power=20 amp/ mixing console is considerably lighter in weight than a mackie =  SM450.
 Now the new lighter weight SM350s that I own, are much = lighter=20 weight the the SM450's, though are lower powered and have a smaller = driver, that=20 might be an option as well.  I also don't think two systems are = necessary=20 unless one absolutely has to have stereo, but there is no reason one = couldn't=20 combine a PAS with components from a conventional system to achieve = stereo.=20 example: a PAS and a single SM450 or 350 for combined  for stereo=20 applications. I've tried it and it works great.
Bill
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From: todd reynolds=20 [mailto:todd@toddreynolds.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 28, = 2006 5:32=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 BOSE PAS

No, if I myself might chime it... =

Excuse me=20 bill, but I wanted to add...  

These things are NOT light. =  The sub is the easiest part.  

The amp itself is = very heavy,=20 the two pillar parts are less heavy, but still one in each hand, and = the sub=20 is the lightest part, like a light guitar amp.

An amp in each = hand to=20 start and I already get tired.  Therefore I don=92t carry them to = EVERY=20 gig.  Two jbl=92s or mackie 15s would be a little heavier than = each piece,=20 but, you=92re talking eight separate pieces for a bose stereo setup, = so ease and=20 lightness is not really the reason to get =91em.  Bill what do = YOU=20 think?

T.


On 1/28/06 8:24 PM, "Nemoguitt@aol.com"=20 <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated = 1/28/06=20 3:29:58 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


If I might = chime=20 in.

bill.....compared to the srm's, is it an easier (lighter) = schlepp=20 to move the bose set up, assuming you are using 2 for stereo and = both will=20 have a sub?.....i love my srm's but they continue to be way too big = for what=20 i need, in fact the very thought of moving them makes me=20 shudder!.....thnaks.....mic



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=93Classical music=20 is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of = sound=94=20 - Ornette=20 = Coleman
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42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY=20  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
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 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C62464.1685E100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 09:56:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 026FB3BEF4; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43DC9157.8020102@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:56:39 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> <26ba8d120601262344rc0f89d1o60b54fadcd19354b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120601262344rc0f89d1o60b54fadcd19354b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >>If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate >>like Behringer moving in. > > the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that > Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do > without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a > clone...) If Behringer really would want to build a clone (I doubt it), then they would just hire Bob and would take the stress from producing it himself away, it could free him to concentrate on the developement... ;-) Of course this would only happen if the looperlative is really successful. And Bob would only do it, if he'd be free to develop what he thinks is relevant. At that point I doubt even more that Behringer would ever consider to build a real instrument. The only thing they are good at is mass market gear. Of course this would only happen if looping becomes as successful as violent Rap music. This twofold need for success would make me think it would be great if Behringer starts do become interested, for Bob and all the looping stars. (Wouldn't that be a nice title for a piece? we could start a competition for the best "Looping Stars" piece...;-) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 09:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE9773BF01; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43DC91BF.508@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:58:23 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for bell samples References: <00a801c620c7$85e27770$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <00a801c620c7$85e27770$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > I'm looking for good quality samples of meditation bells. > > Oh yes, and I wonder if there are sample CDs of gamelan orchestras. I'm sure > there must be something somewhere. A friend of mine (Lars Stroschen) put out a sample library of his gamelan instruments a very long time ago. That time I was preparing a Samplecell version, but finally only the S-1000 version for the ancient Akai samplers had been released. You might find it under the brand "Propeller Island". (He is also running a fancy art hotel in Berlin, if you get googled to that its the same Person). His music is worth to check out as well... And regarding meditation bells, I recorded my whole collection of Tibetan bowls, but its not readily prepared. (I still prefer to play them live into my Ondes Memorielles, its just no comparison at all...) Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 13:21:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2AE13BEFF; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,231,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="200181116:sNHT24622984" Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:21:31 -0500 From: Subject: gig spam-Boston To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <2ba1db53.823b47ba.819dd00@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9QApwB.A.ViC.cFM3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Thought I'd give a shout to any Boston area loopers out there... I'm doing my debut solo looping show this coming Thursday, Feb 2nd, 8:00-9:00 pm at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge. Tom Hall - tenor and Bari saxes, voice, and boomerang If you come, please introduce yourself ... Also stick around after - I'm playing with Club d'Elf 9:30-1:30!! thanks, Tom Hall From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 13:52:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7F1D3BEF4; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c624db$3ea423a0$6501a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <00a801c620c7$85e27770$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <43DC91BF.508@addcom.de> Subject: Re: looking for bell samples Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:52:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4G-kt.A.cME.fiM3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Michael: Another possible source is Gamelan Pacifica, a group of performers and enthusiasts associated with the Cornish Institute, a fine art college here in Seattle. They undoubtably have recordings of their orchestral works. I suggest you approach them about authorization to use samples in exchange for appropriate credit on your CDs and performances. Let me know if you need assistance in tracking them down. - CW snip > Michael Peters wrote: >> I'm looking for good quality samples of meditation bells. Oh yes, and I >> wonder if there are sample CDs of gamelan orchestras. I'm sure >> there must be something somewhere. > snip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 13:58:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67DE43BEF3; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c624dc$0968dc70$6501a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <2ba1db53.823b47ba.819dd00@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Subject: Re: gig spam-Boston Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:58:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Best of luck Tom. I'm in Seattle and my ever-looping son John is in North Carolina, so we can't make it, but we can participate vicariously. Please let us know how it turns out, including all the gory details about audience reaction. Also, perhaps a link to examples of the kind of music you played for the lounge lizards. - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm x----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: gig spam-Boston > Thought I'd give a shout to any Boston area loopers out there... > > I'm doing my debut solo looping show this coming Thursday, Feb 2nd, > 8:00-9:00 pm at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge. > > Tom Hall - tenor and Bari saxes, voice, and boomerang > > If you come, please introduce yourself ... > > Also stick around after - I'm playing with Club d'Elf 9:30-1:30!! > > > thanks, > Tom Hall x From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 14:16:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD01C3BF0A; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.111.71.85):SA:0(-2.2/5.0):. Processed in 0.517795 secs Process 17511) Message-ID: <003201c624de$9aaa0090$55476f58@Bert> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Subject: Hullo peeps! Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:16:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-0, 29/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <-2n55B.A.xWF.C5M3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! I've finally had ADSL installed, and have as from today re-subbed. Its been a while! Sorry for my absence (I had my reasons) During my time away from the looping community, there has been a lot of progress in the direction of software live looping - which makes me very happy! It allows for people like myself (with very little money) to create virtual studios with multiple EDP-like boxes, all synchronised - without having to pay £600+ for separate units. Finally, live looping is available to the masses! I've just set up SooperLooper on my old ibook, and am having great fun with it! Pretty soon, I'll have my ultimate live looping environment setup: Electric violins, Mandola, flutes, keyboard(s) and acoustic percussion, all going into a mini mixer, and then through to SooperLooper... Its going to be fun! I'm now back online with http://swyatt.com with my full looping archive available at http://swyatt.com/music.php - feel free to download/share/burn anything that takes your fancy. I sadly lost my old site solostring.com a while back (to a spammy search engine company) - any links from your personal sites would really help me get back up the google rankings (plus I would link back to your site from mine).... Anyway guys... I'm back, active and just as opiniated and argumentative as before :) Its good to be back... - Stuart Wyatt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 14:27:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C213B3BF0D; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.111.71.85):SA:0(-1.3/5.0):. Processed in 1.456768 secs Process 18459) Message-ID: <004a01c624e0$1e9da540$55476f58@Bert> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: "loopersdelight" Subject: For sale: 2 x Line6 Echo Pro's (UK) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:27:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-0, 29/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:27:26 +0000 (UTC) As I'm going into software looping, I currently have two spare Line6 echo Pro's kicking around that I could do with selling (I need the cash badly) I did not realise that Line6 discontinued them a while ago! I've checked ebay, and there is just one currently going through a bidding war in Germany (46 bids) which is just over £250 with 3 hours to go. I'd like to offer my units to the list first, and am open to offers. If nobody is interested here, then I'll pop them up on ebay in a week or so. Please contact me offlist at loopersdelight@swyatt.com Cheers! - Stu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 15:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088A83BEFB; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Philipp_Z=FCrcher?= Subject: EDP display saying: "d" Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:38:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Hiya all Have been using my Echoplex (Oberheim, blonde) for almost ten years. Yesterday - soundchecking for a gig - I was wiggling the power chord behind the unit just a little, near the AC adaptor socket, and all at once the lights on my EDP went out except for the display saying "d". Any ideas what that could mean? - "d" is not for "dying", I hope... Same thing happened as I was trying a second an a third time, but it came back to life every time i switched the power off and on again. I actually dropped the unit in question on my US tour three months ago and although it was safe in one of those SKB plastic rack cases, I am not sure if "d" could be for "damage" either!? Anyway: Kim, Matthias and whoever else might have been involved in developing and/or knowing this wonderful instrument: Thanks in advance for your help! Many regards Philipp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 15:59:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 111DD3BF04; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c624ec$efb5aae0$6501a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <003201c624de$9aaa0090$55476f58@Bert> Subject: Re: Hullo peeps! Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:59:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Nice work, Stuart. Thanks. My fav is the Irish jig under the Seine bridge, circa 2000. Sounds like you have credible skills with multiple instruments, including the violin and flute, which are great ingredients for looping and effects. Please post some of your current work when time permits. - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/listen.htm x----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:16 AM Subject: Hullo peeps! snip > > I'm now back online with http://swyatt.com with my full looping archive > available at http://swyatt.com/music.php - feel free to > download/share/burn > anything that takes your fancy. I sadly lost my old site solostring.com a > while back (to a spammy search engine company) - any links from your > personal sites would really help me get back up the google rankings (plus > I > would link back to your site from mine).... > > Anyway guys... I'm back, active and just as opiniated and argumentative as > before :) > > Its good to be back... > > - Stuart Wyatt x From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 18:20:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72FFD3BEFE; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.175.105.254] X-Originating-Email: [mhayungs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhayungs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c624e0$1e9da540$55476f58@Bert> From: "michael hayungs" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:20:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2006 18:20:33.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1754C40:01C62500] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone here used the TC Electronic D-Two delay in a live situation? It looks pretty cool but I'm trying to find out if when you have the delay on and you hit bypass, does the delays continue to ring out or do they cut off? Also, is there a pause or drop out when switching patches? The harmonyCentral reviews don't cover these issues...thanks. 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcYlALOYayPfwcDZR+6mxq5dCedo5AAANSxQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6ZtF6D.A.EsB.3rQ3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Just had to power up the unit to check this out...: 1. Bypass is configurable to one of three possible settings: a) when hitting bypass, the effect is turned off and the input is routed through to the output (just like when you set Mix=0%) b) when hitting bypass, the output of the effect engine is interrupted (instantly muting the delay). The dry signal is passed as set with the mix parameter. c) when hitting bypass, the input to the effect engine is interrupted (thus the delay "continues to ring"). There is no or only a very short interruption of the effect signal when switching patches (I didn't do any measurements, but to find this out you would have to record the audio and analyze it, as it's hard to tell when switching between patches which produce different levels to say if there was a minimum interruption. There are no clicks etc., and if there is an interruption, it is so short that it won't hurt except in some very special applications). The dry signal passes uninterrupted. Rainer > Has anyone here used the TC Electronic D-Two delay in a live > situation? It looks pretty cool but I'm trying to find out if > when you have the delay on and you hit bypass, does the > delays continue to ring out or do they cut off? > Also, is there a pause or drop out when switching patches? > The harmonyCentral reviews don't cover these issues...thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 18:39:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD42D3BF05; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.175.105.254] X-Originating-Email: [mhayungs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mhayungs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c62502$c6b857d0$0601a8c0@succubus> From: "michael hayungs" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:39:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2006 18:39:03.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[473FC910:01C62503] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Very cool. Thanks for the all the information. >From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:35:27 +0100 > >Just had to power up the unit to check this out...: > >1. Bypass is configurable to one of three possible settings: >a) when hitting bypass, the effect is turned off and the input is routed >through to the output (just like when you set Mix=0%) >b) when hitting bypass, the output of the effect engine is interrupted >(instantly muting the delay). The dry signal is passed as set with the mix >parameter. >c) when hitting bypass, the input to the effect engine is interrupted (thus >the delay "continues to ring"). > >There is no or only a very short interruption of the effect signal when >switching patches (I didn't do any measurements, but to find this out you >would have to record the audio and analyze it, as it's hard to tell when >switching between patches which produce different levels to say if there >was >a minimum interruption. There are no clicks etc., and if there is an >interruption, it is so short that it won't hurt except in some very special >applications). The dry signal passes uninterrupted. > > Rainer > > > Has anyone here used the TC Electronic D-Two delay in a live > > situation? It looks pretty cool but I'm trying to find out if > > when you have the delay on and you hit bypass, does the > > delays continue to ring out or do they cut off? > > Also, is there a pause or drop out when switching patches? > > The harmonyCentral reviews don't cover these issues...thanks. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 18:42:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACA733BF02; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:42:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looperlative - Max Time? Thread-Index: AcYlA82HDAPHOZD3EdqeqwAKlZolSA== In-Reply-To: <001c01c6246d$3e36ece0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:42:54 +0000 (UTC) I think it all comes back to a matter of style. I personally would have no problem filling 16 loops of 10 minutes of length each and using them all in performance (although probably not more than a few at the same time. I have hit barriers with every piece of loop hardware I have ever used and after trying to get around it by combining them in multiple ways, I'm just using software now and that seems to work for me. Kevin On 1/28/06 4:45 PM, "Paul" wrote: > << If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long > loops >> > > Seems like there were more than a few that long on the Y2K5 MP3's. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mrweasel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? > > >> whatever >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] >> Sent: 28 January 2006 23:40 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? >> >> At 04:00 AM 1/28/2006, mrweasel wrote: >>> Coming from the Repeater world and being used to storing many loops >>> onto various CF cards (I have over 512mb of memory in total), >> >> Does the Looperlative have on-board storage of loops? I was under the >> impression the memory was not saved when powered off. >> >> Which is ok with me, Real Loopers don't save their loops. :-) >> >> And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of >> goodness >> for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this loop time? If >> any >> of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long loops, >> please >> don't invite me! >> >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 19:24:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D57C3BEF3; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <43DD1638.9020308@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:23:36 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland GR1 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:24:33 +0000 (UTC) HI, sorry for putting this here, but I thought there could be some people here who may be interested. Since I got a Les Paul one week ago which offers a lot of sustain and tone flexibility, I don't need the GR1 anymore. It is in good condition and comes with GK2 pickup, power supply, GK cable, original manual and original packaging. If you have any questions regarding this device please send me an email. A note regarding the GK-2: It's best to mount it on a Les Paul type guitar, because you don't have to raise the strings. On a strat style guitar, you may have to rise the strings, this may feel uncomfortable. I'm asking 230 Euro, the synth is located in Wuppertal, Germany. You're welcome to test it if you live in my area. Worldwide shipping is also not a problem. I would also trade for a Roland VG8 (with some extra money from my side) or a Roland GP100 or similar rackdevice. Thanks, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0E0C3BEFE; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3aY5pvRkoRREz2eIs9uwMQD2eEas6ieMZ+j8vbl7khS4azQqXQq2HV8XufaYqiDE31k1jgWLFpJ7g/gCIyFu6oBECZDg7kewTAWWgI+GBJUYhy5/UFrwl4G0HKKgFrFvBCWzd12FHtSr/VKwBOsgliEBNnp1g521GByKT85kpYE= ; Message-ID: <20060129200451.65400.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: In Ear Monitor recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:04:53 +0000 (UTC) I've now officially had it with the unwanted feedback inherent in looping with a microphone. I use a hyper-cardiod mic (AKG C1000s), I use feedback suppression (Beringer Shark DSP 110), I've turned the monitor volume down, I've turned the overall volume down, but certain venues just seem incurably feedback prone. The only way I know not to get feedback is to work without a monitor, which has other obvious complications. So I'm finally buying an in-ear monitoring system. Now it's just a matter of which one. The last relevant discussion I could find in the archives was from 2000, and I'm guessing the market may have changed a bit since then. I'm probably looking at either the Shure PSM200 or the Sennheiser EW300. It doesn't have to be wireless, but I figure if I'm already going down that road I might as well go all the way. Does anyone have experience with these or other systems less than $1000? Thanks! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:12:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26EEA3BF02; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <00ac5f7b6d867affc670c099786cc856@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: ted's new address Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:12:56 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:12:58 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 28, 2006, at 7:38 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > I suspect that the 50 FREE and 25 CENTS PER SONG THEREAFTER terms were=20= > counter to > CDBaby's digital distribution business aims too. Why give a sweeter=20 > minimum pricing deal Ted, not to burst your bubble here but CDBaby represents i'd guess a=20 quarter or more of the Emusic.com catalogue right now. if you signed the digital distro agreement with CDBaby then there is a=20= very good likelihood that you'll wind up on emusic if you're already on=20= iTMS. i don't buy albums digitally from anyone but emusic because i will not=20= pay for DRMed music. i don't like being treated like a criminal when=20 i'm not. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:15:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251013BF08; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <000c01c62502$c6b857d0$0601a8c0@succubus> References: <000c01c62502$c6b857d0$0601a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <51cb669d1a50349e19cdab59f0891f04@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:15:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <83WTWC.A.aJF.NJS3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > c) when hitting bypass, the input to the effect engine is interrupted > (thus > the delay "continues to ring"). what happens to the dry signal in this scenario? thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:18:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44083BF07; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,231,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="159810623:sNHT26857454" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060129121350.011dda98@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:18:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c6246d$3e36ece0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Are you talking about pre-loaded loops? Or do you build the loops during performance? Filling 16 loops of 10 minutes each comes out to a 160 minute performance minimum. At 2006.01.29 10:42 AM, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: >I think it all comes back to a matter of style. I personally would have no >problem filling 16 loops of 10 minutes of length each and using them all in >performance (although probably not more than a few at the same time. I have >hit barriers with every piece of loop hardware I have ever used and after >trying to get around it by combining them in multiple ways, I'm just using >software now and that seems to work for me. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342D63BEF8; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129120851.04e5b160@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:26:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c6246d$3e36ece0$68a6eb44@BlackDell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:23:35 +0000 (UTC) At 10:42 AM 1/29/2006, Kevin Goldsmith wrote: >I think it all comes back to a matter of style. I personally would have no >problem filling 16 loops of 10 minutes of length each and using them all in >performance (although probably not more than a few at the same time. uh, please walk me through this, cause I'm just not seeing how this could possibly make a viable performance. You have one piece of music using 16 loops, 10 minutes each. So just the time to record the audio into all of these loops will take you 160 minutes. And we are all watching you while you record them. In order for the audience to get the impression that these are loops (assuming that is even possible with a 10 minute loop), the loop needs to repeat at least twice. So now you are talking about an additional 320 minutes, for a total of 480 minutes for one song? 8 hours? Or even if you have some of the loops repeating in parallel, you are still talking at least 3-4 hours for one musical piece. Do you really create music like that? Do you actually find audiences with the patience to sit through it? I can't even imagine this, unless it is one of those performance art torture/endurance experiments people like to do in art school. >I have >hit barriers with every piece of loop hardware I have ever used and after >trying to get around it by combining them in multiple ways, I'm just using >software now and that seems to work for me. what does that have to do with loop time and how you use it? kim > Kevin > > >On 1/28/06 4:45 PM, "Paul" wrote: > > > << If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute long > > loops >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:26:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70EFD3BF02; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AD0KAMOw3EOCFIUrKA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129202443.02871060@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:25:59 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: looking for bell samples In-Reply-To: <20060129200454.A172F3BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060129200454.A172F3BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) At 20:04 29/01/06, you wrote: >And regarding meditation bells, I recorded my whole collection of >Tibetan bowls, but its not readily prepared. (I still prefer to play >them live into my Ondes Memorielles, its just no comparison at all...) > >Stefan hi Stefan, What's an Ondes Memorielles? andy (another bowl fan) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:33:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B081F3BF05; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:33:03 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c62513$34d9e7a0$0601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <51cb669d1a50349e19cdab59f0891f04@suitandtieguy.com> Thread-Index: AcYlELTRwv9RhwXOQLSTlYgE/7CyagAAfayQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:33:06 +0000 (UTC) In scenario b) and c), nothing happens to the dry signal.=20 I think the manual is online at tcelectronics.com. (But I'm happy to answer these questions - actually, I had to try these things myself, as I never used the bypass button or the dry/wet control = on my D2...) Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Januar 2006 21:15 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: D-Two Delay=20 >=20 > On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > c) when hitting bypass, the input to the effect engine is=20 > interrupted=20 > > (thus the delay "continues to ring"). >=20 > what happens to the dry signal in this scenario? >=20 > thanks, > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5DC3BEE1; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20060127153447.E46E63BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--801482816 Message-Id: <38EC8698-298D-4FD2-9198-1BF503364BCE@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:36:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--801482816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i can actually imagine a scenario where one might get close. there have been pieces of music that i have been unable to do with either the EDP or the repeater (although with the repeater, it has been "technically" possible, it just never worked in practice to make very long-ish -4plus minute loops.) my guess is that the looperlative will handle this with grace. i have often wanted to play a three voice bach fugue with a looping device and have gotten close on some smaller chorales with the repeater. i could imagine using all eight tracks (stereo) and wanting more than a minute each. but be not deceived, i will pony up for the looperative when the time comes. has anyone looked at the midi spec for the L? i looked on the website and didn't see anything about whether it will answer to sys-ex or even CC.. but maybe i missed it. r. On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: >> The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. >> With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives >> - about 932 seconds mono >> - or 466 sec stereo >> - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic --Apple-Mail-1--801482816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i can actually imagine a = scenario where one might get close. there have been pieces of music that = i have been unable to do with either the EDP or the repeater (although = with the repeater, it has been "technically" possible, it just never = worked in practice to make very long-ish -4plus minute loops.)=A0


my guess is that the = looperlative will handle this with grace.

i have often wanted to play = a three voice bach fugue with a looping device and have gotten close on = some smaller chorales with the repeater.=A0


i could imagine using all = eight tracks (stereo) and wanting more than a minute each.=A0 but be not = deceived, i will pony up for the looperative when the time = comes.



has anyone looked at the = midi spec for the L? i looked on the website and didn't see anything = about whether it will answer to sys-ex or even CC.. but maybe i missed = it.


r.





On Jan 27, = 2006, at 11:32 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote:

The beast = is equipped with 128 Mbytes.

With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives

- about 932 seconds = mono

- or 466 = sec stereo

- or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8.

=



www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskim= usic

= --Apple-Mail-1--801482816-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5083BF04; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129123511.045b10d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:40:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP display saying: "d" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:37:01 +0000 (UTC) At 07:38 AM 1/29/2006, Philipp Zürcher wrote: >Have been using my Echoplex (Oberheim, blonde) for almost ten years. >Yesterday - soundchecking for a gig - I was wiggling the power chord >behind the unit just a little, near the AC adaptor socket, and all at >once the lights on my EDP went out except for the display saying "d". > >Any ideas what that could mean? - "d" is not for "dying", I hope... sounds like it crashed because the power was interrupted. Especially since you could cycle power and then it worked. >Same thing happened as I was trying a second an a third time, but it >came back to life every time i switched the power off and on again. > >I actually dropped the unit in question on my US tour three months >ago and although it was safe in one of those SKB plastic rack cases, >I am not sure if "d" could be for "damage" either!? could be that a solder joint is cracked in the power supply or something like that. That could have happened from dropping it or just years of bouncing around. If you find a decent electronics tech with a soldering iron, they can probably fix this really easy. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:52:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 027693BF02; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:52:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C62515.EBDF2AD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <38EC8698-298D-4FD2-9198-1BF503364BCE@fuse.net> Thread-Index: AcYlE7W4PrutntUKT9+TGWvWFwqUFgAAYxPQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20060129205233.163353BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:52:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C62515.EBDF2AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you loop over the same track several times (overdubbing), does it decrease the available looping time or is it? Say if I have a 20sec loop on which I overdub 10 times, will I have as much looping time after the tenth loop or will my available time decrease after each overdub? Someone was saying the Looperlative doesn't store loops. Is that right? Is the memory volatile? _____ From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] Sent: 29 January 2006 20:37 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? i can actually imagine a scenario where one might get close. there have been pieces of music that i have been unable to do with either the EDP or the repeater (although with the repeater, it has been "technically" possible, it just never worked in practice to make very long-ish -4plus minute loops.) my guess is that the looperlative will handle this with grace. i have often wanted to play a three voice bach fugue with a looping device and have gotten close on some smaller chorales with the repeater. i could imagine using all eight tracks (stereo) and wanting more than a minute each. but be not deceived, i will pony up for the looperative when the time comes. has anyone looked at the midi spec for the L? i looked on the website and didn't see anything about whether it will answer to sys-ex or even CC.. but maybe i missed it. r. On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives - about 932 seconds mono - or 466 sec stereo - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. monk@fuse.net www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C62515.EBDF2AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If=20 you loop over the same track several times (overdubbing), does it = decrease the=20 available looping time or is it?
Say=20 if I have a 20sec loop on which I overdub 10 times, will I have as much = looping=20 time after the tenth loop or will my available time decrease after each=20 overdub?
 
Someone was saying the Looperlative doesn't store loops. = Is that=20 right? Is the memory volatile?

From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net]=20
Sent: 29 January 2006 20:37
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looperlative = - Max=20 Time?

i can actually imagine a scenario where one might get close. = there=20 have been pieces of music that i have been unable to do with either the = EDP or=20 the repeater (although with the repeater, it has been "technically" = possible, it=20 just never worked in practice to make very long-ish -4plus minute = loops.)=20


my guess is that the looperlative will handle this with grace.

i have often wanted to play a three voice bach fugue with a looping = device=20 and have gotten close on some smaller chorales with the repeater.


i could imagine using all eight tracks (stereo) and wanting more = than a=20 minute each. but be not deceived, i will pony up for the looperative = when the=20 time comes.



has anyone looked at the midi spec for the L? i looked on the = website and=20 didn't see anything about whether it will answer to sys-ex or even CC.. = but=20 maybe i missed it.


r.





On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote:

The beast is equipped with 128 = Mbytes.

With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this = gives

- about 932 seconds mono

- or 466 sec stereo

- or 58 sec per stereo track if you use = all the=20 8.




www.richordinski.com

www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C62515.EBDF2AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 20:55:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36DF23BF04; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.246.147.11] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060129205233.163353BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looperlative - Can it multiply? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:55:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2006 20:55:28.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[55A87750:01C62516] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Can someone please answer this? Thanks >From: "mrweasel" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? >Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:52:30 -0000 > >If you loop over the same track several times (overdubbing), does it >decrease the available looping time or is it? >Say if I have a 20sec loop on which I overdub 10 times, will I have as much >looping time after the tenth loop or will my available time decrease after >each overdub? > >Someone was saying the Looperlative doesn't store loops. Is that right? Is >the memory volatile? > > _____ > >From: monk [mailto:monk@fuse.net] >Sent: 29 January 2006 20:37 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? > > >i can actually imagine a scenario where one might get close. there have >been >pieces of music that i have been unable to do with either the EDP or the >repeater (although with the repeater, it has been "technically" possible, >it >just never worked in practice to make very long-ish -4plus minute loops.) > > >my guess is that the looperlative will handle this with grace. > >i have often wanted to play a three voice bach fugue with a looping device >and have gotten close on some smaller chorales with the repeater. > > >i could imagine using all eight tracks (stereo) and wanting more than a >minute each. but be not deceived, i will pony up for the looperative when >the time comes. > > > >has anyone looked at the midi spec for the L? i looked on the website and >didn't see anything about whether it will answer to sys-ex or even CC.. but >maybe i missed it. > > >r. > > > > > >On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > >The beast is equipped with 128 Mbytes. > >With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives > >- about 932 seconds mono > >- or 466 sec stereo > >- or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. > > > >monk@fuse.net > >www.richordinski.com > >www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71343BF06; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129124121.04e5b2a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:05:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <43DC9157.8020102@addcom.de> References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> <26ba8d120601262344rc0f89d1o60b54fadcd19354b@mail.gmail.com> <43DC9157.8020102@addcom.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9l71Y.A.qoH.S1S3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:02:10 +0000 (UTC) At 01:56 AM 1/29/2006, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >Tom Ritchford wrote: >>>If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate >>>like Behringer moving in. >>the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that >>Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do >>without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a >>clone...) > >If Behringer really would want to build a clone (I doubt it), then they >would just hire Bob and would take the stress from producing it himself >away, it could free him to concentrate on the developement... ;-) hahahaha. yeah, that's how it would work. >Of course this would only happen if the looperlative is really successful. >And Bob would only do it, if he'd be free to develop what he thinks is >relevant. At that point I doubt even more that Behringer would ever >consider to build a real instrument. The only thing they are good at is >mass market gear. Behringer would more likely copy Roland/Boss, like Digitech tried to do. Roland sold 10's of thousands of Boss RC-20's so far. For music products, those are pretty big numbers. Some of you don't seem to have realized yet, but looping products are already mass market products, and have been for several years. >Of course this would only happen if looping becomes as successful as >violent Rap music. I don't quite understand that comment? Looping has been used in Rap music for years and years. How does a musical technique become "as successful" as a style of music that uses it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:03:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 880BE3BF00; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:03:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:03:53 +0000 (UTC) >Tom Ritchford wrote: >>>If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate >>>like Behringer moving in. >>the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that >>Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do >>without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a >>clone...) Allow me to correct a possible misperception here about intellectual property (IP) law. Patents protect ideas, copyright protects the expression of those ideas. I can copy an idea if there is no patent protecting it. Copyright does not protect ideas. If I rip a copy of the firmware from a product and then put that in my product I am violating copyright or possibly the product license. A product license is a contract between the seller and the buyer. So provided that the ideas in the EDP were not protected by patent, Behringer could copy all the ideas, except possibly the user interface. Under US patent law, if an idea hasn't been patented within a year of the idea being made publicly available, then it can't be patented. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:09:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F833BF04; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:09:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Mobius on Windows vs. SooperLooper on Linux In-Reply-To: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone done a performance comparison between Mobius on Windows and SooperLooper on Linux for equivalent hardware? I'm thinking of stability, low latency and speed. I'm looking at gear I may be able to repurpose or even repackage into a rack mount as special-purpose. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:13:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A368A3BEFE; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.99.144] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <38C2F91ECA5B582E66D85AEE@[192.168.1.149]> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative or Looperlative Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:13:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jan 2006 21:13:35.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD5DE980:01C62518] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:13:36 +0000 (UTC) from daniel brothier do you take plan for an european démo ? And do you have a list of gear to control your machine, pédal, impédance etc, please send us a web page for information thank's daniel >From: Bob Amstadt >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:43:24 -0800 > >Just for the record, the MSRP for the Looperlative LP1 is US$1499. The >actual street price will be lower. There is a batch of 25 units that will >be available in 4 to 8 weeks and the direct price on those units is US$1199 >+ tax + shipping. Any updates to pricing will appear on the Looperlative >web page or forum. I won't normally advertise prices on this list. I just >wanted to make sure that the information presented here was accurate. > >Thanks, >Bob Amstadt > _________________________________________________________________ 10 Mo pour vos pièces jointes avec MSN Hotmail ! http://www.imagine-msn.com/hotmail/default.aspx?locale=fr-fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:23:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB1E3BEFB; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003201c624de$9aaa0090$55476f58@Bert> References: <003201c624de$9aaa0090$55476f58@Bert> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Hullo peeps! Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:23:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 7c9984f2-910d-11da-84c5-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.45/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:23:29 +0000 (UTC) welcome back Stuart....! On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hi all! > > I've finally had ADSL installed, and have as from today re-subbed. =20 > Its been > a while! Sorry for my absence (I had my reasons) > > During my time away from the looping community, there has been a =20 > lot of > progress in the direction of software live looping - which makes me =20= > very > happy! It allows for people like myself (with very little money) to =20= > create > virtual studios with multiple EDP-like boxes, all synchronised - =20 > without > having to pay =A3600+ for separate units. Finally, live looping is =20 > available > to the masses! > > I've just set up SooperLooper on my old ibook, and am having great =20 > fun with > it! Pretty soon, I'll have my ultimate live looping environment setup: > Electric violins, Mandola, flutes, keyboard(s) and acoustic =20 > percussion, all > going into a mini mixer, and then through to SooperLooper... Its =20 > going to be > fun! > > I'm now back online with http://swyatt.com with my full looping =20 > archive > available at http://swyatt.com/music.php - feel free to download/=20 > share/burn > anything that takes your fancy. I sadly lost my old site =20 > solostring.com a > while back (to a spammy search engine company) - any links from your > personal sites would really help me get back up the google rankings =20= > (plus I > would link back to your site from mine).... > > Anyway guys... I'm back, active and just as opiniated and =20 > argumentative as > before :) > > Its good to be back... > > - Stuart Wyatt > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D241B3BEF0; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129131006.01b250a8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:28:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) WRT Max time, two words: "Undo", "Redo". The docs on the EDP make very plain what the memory costs are for undos. I find the "undo" capabilities of the EDP to be completely inadequate for what I want to do in a live looping situation. I think I would find the same problem with the Looperlative even though I don't plan to preload samples. The multiple tracks on the Looperlative may help with that but to keep stuff from sounding too "loopy" I also like to undo and redo overdubs. Looking at a standard 32-bar AABA song format with two beats to the bar and each beat at 80 bpm, one track takes 64 beats/tune divided by 80 bpm equals 48 seconds. 466 seconds stereo time goes fast for multiply layered parts and undos. When I do looping free of standard song structure, I find that my loops tend to be about 100 seconds after muliplying. And I do a lot of undos. This would max out the Looperlative pretty quickly from what I understand. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 21:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1A623BF02; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129133843.04e4f520@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:53:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:49:42 +0000 (UTC) At 01:03 PM 1/29/2006, Kevin wrote: >>Tom Ritchford wrote: >>>>If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate >>>>like Behringer moving in. >>>the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that >>>Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do >>>without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a >>>clone...) > >Allow me to correct a possible misperception here about intellectual >property (IP) law. Patents protect ideas, copyright protects the >expression of those ideas. I can copy an idea if there is no patent >protecting it. Copyright does not protect ideas. If I rip a copy of the >firmware from a product and then put that in my product I am violating >copyright or possibly the product license. A product license is a >contract between the seller and the buyer. > >So provided that the ideas in the EDP were not protected by patent, >Behringer could copy all the ideas, except possibly the user >interface. Under US patent law, if an idea hasn't been patented within a >year of the idea being made publicly available, then it can't be patented. Interestingly, while many basic ideas about looping are not patented, multi-track looping and some methods for implementing and controlling multi-track loopers are patented. Electrix ran into trouble with this for the Repeater. I'm curious to know how some of these multi-track looper products (both hardware and software) and their respective developers are dealing with those patents. Are they making specific design choices to avoid infringing the patents? Are they licensing the technology from the original inventor? Or are they unaware of the patents and just running blind into a big problem? My guess is the latter... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 22:07:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BEB93BF04; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05a601c62520$6649eda0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <031301c62363$f44820e0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032901c62364$f5beecf0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <03a301c6239a$b0fe7640$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: My EDPs and Controller Officially on Sale (eBay) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:07:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 457, in=211253, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <24J8uB.A.-0E.oyT3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:07:36 +0000 (UTC) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386424099 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 22:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19FBD3BEFB; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.34.64):SA:0(-2.5/5.0):. Processed in 2.696168 secs Process 24170) Message-ID: <005301c62523$c6ffbe10$40226d58@Bert> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Mobius on Windows vs. SooperLooper on Linux Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:31:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-0, 29/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:31:45 +0000 (UTC) > Has anyone done a performance comparison between Mobius on Windows and > SooperLooper on Linux for equivalent hardware? I'm thinking of stability, > low latency and speed. I'm looking at gear I may be able to repurpose or > even repackage into a rack mount as special-purpose. Whilst its not any info on comparissons (thus not answering your question at all), if you are looking to run SL on Linux, Jesse (the creater of SL) recommends installing Fedora Core 3 Linux and the Planet CCRMA packages to run SL on a Linux setup. I know a few musicians who have installed this version of Linux for different media purposes, and they have all experienced very low latency and processing of audio and reported excellent reliability. Whilst I don't want to knock Windows (I use it for my cubase setup), there is always the question of reliability with Microsoft. Whilst a blue screen of death can be tolerated in a home studio environment, on stage, it is a different matter. Info about the CCRMA distro can be found at http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ but be warned, the download links take you to version 2 of the ISO's. To download the latest ISO's, go to http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/iso/3/ . I haven't installed it yet myself, but plan to on my old Celeron 500 laptop to try and turn it into a dedicated looper, thus freeing up my ibook to become a virtual sampler/synth (I will do this once I manage to upgrade the memory to beyond its current 128Mb) Jesse thinks that my celeron laptop will be sufficient for SL with a few simultanious virtual looping machines running. However, running Mobius on the laptop under WinXP was a painful experience using just one virtual looper :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 22:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C6173BF06; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:37:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: RE: Looperlative - Can it multiply? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1073548247==_ma============" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: <8xT0YC.A.nnF.rOU3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:37:31 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1073548247==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Rather than try to paraphrase the whole "multiply" discussion from the forum, here is a link to it: http://www.looperlative.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24 Should answer it for you. If it doesn't, just post a specific follow-on question there. Ken >Can someone please answer this? >Thanks > > >>From: "mrweasel" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: >>Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? >>Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:52:30 -0000 >> >>If you loop over the same track several times (overdubbing), does it >>decrease the available looping time or is it? >>Say if I have a 20sec loop on which I overdub 10 times, will I have as much >>looping time after the tenth loop or will my available time decrease after >>each overdub? >> >>Someone was saying the Looperlative doesn't store loops. Is that right? Is >>the memory volatile? >> >> _____ --============_-1073548247==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" RE: Looperlative - Can it multiply?

Rather than try to paraphrase the whole "multiply" discussion from the forum, here is a link to it:

  http://www.looperlative.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24

Should answer it for you.  If it doesn't, just post a specific follow-on question there.

Ken


Can someone please answer this?
Thanks

From: "mrweasel" <mrweasel@eircom.net>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time?
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:52:30 -0000

If you loop over the same track several times (overdubbing), does it
decrease the available looping time or is it?
Say if I have a 20sec loop on which I overdub 10 times, will I have as much
looping time after the tenth loop or will my available time decrease after
each overdub?

Someone was saying the Looperlative doesn't store loops. Is that right? Is
the memory volatile?
  _____
--============_-1073548247==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 22:40:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1033E3BEFF; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129135734.04c133e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:43:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129131006.01b250a8@TheNettles.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129131006.01b250a8@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC) At 01:28 PM 1/29/2006, Kevin wrote: >WRT Max time, two words: "Undo", "Redo". The docs on the EDP make very >plain what the memory costs are for undos. I thought this thread was about the Looperlative? It's not clear to me what this has to do with the Echoplex. From what I understand, Looperlative doesn't have an explicit Undo function now like the Echoplex. Maybe Bob will add one someday, however Undo is a really tricky feature to implement so that likely won't be such a simple thing to do as it sounds. But given that Looperlative doesn't work this way now, it seems this is an irrelevant point to consider if you are challenging the amount of loop time available in the Looperlative. Even if you are considering functions like Undo in the Echoplex, you still have to record all the audio first in order to undo back to it. And presumably let it repeat 2-3 times, since that's the point of loops. So you are still looking at really long musical pieces with really long loops, much longer than any normal song format. Practically, I just haven't seen many people running into this limit even on the Echoplex unless they just weren't thinking ahead and set up 10 loops in advance when they only wanted to use 1. You have to be making really long musical pieces for it to matter. >I find the "undo" capabilities of the EDP to be completely inadequate for >what I want to do in a live looping situation. it might be interesting to know why? >I think I would find the same problem with the Looperlative even though I >don't plan to preload samples. The multiple tracks on the Looperlative may >help with that but to keep stuff from sounding too "loopy" I also like to >undo and redo overdubs. > >Looking at a standard 32-bar AABA song format with two beats to the bar >and each beat at 80 bpm, one track takes 64 beats/tune divided by 80 bpm >equals 48 seconds. 466 seconds stereo time goes fast for multiply layered >parts and undos. Are you sure you understand how memory gets used in loopers? Because to me, if you make 48 second loops and want to do some overdubs and undos and let it repeat a few times, 466 seconds of loop time is still way more than you need. If you are using all that time, then you are talking about making single pieces of music that are a minimum of 20+ minutes long, probably much longer if you really make use of the looping functions. How long are your songs, usually? >When I do looping free of standard song structure, I find that my loops >tend to be about 100 seconds after muliplying. And I do a lot of >undos. This would max out the Looperlative pretty quickly from what I >understand. How would it max out the Looperlative? Are you sure you understand how the Looperlative works and how it uses the loop time available? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 23:08:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4BB3BED9; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,231,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="159855008:sNHT23086956" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060129131201.011f7578@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:07:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <20060129205233.163353BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <38EC8698-298D-4FD2-9198-1BF503364BCE@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:08:52 +0000 (UTC) At 2006.01.29 12:52 PM, mrweasel wrote: >If you loop over the same track several times (overdubbing), does it >decrease the available looping time or is it? If you strictly mean overdubbing, that usually does not decrease the available loop time If you mean overdub while multiplying, then yes. >Someone was saying the Looperlative doesn't store loops. Is that right? Is >the memory volatile? Loops in the LP1 are lost after power down. But you can save them externally before power down using the ethernet port. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 29 23:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1AC3BEE1; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:09:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:09:06 +0000 (UTC) If I recall correctly, I believe you can have it set to let the delay trail ring out, or have it be cut off when bypassing. Bill -----Original Message----- From: michael hayungs [mailto:mhayungs@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: D-Two Delay Has anyone here used the TC Electronic D-Two delay in a live situation? It looks pretty cool but I'm trying to find out if when you have the delay on and you hit bypass, does the delays continue to ring out or do they cut off? Also, is there a pause or drop out when switching patches? The harmonyCentral reviews don't cover these issues...thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 00:13:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 730333BEFB; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:07:12 -0300 From: arzezak@uces.edu.ar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 24.232.57.127 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I dont post much on the list but when i do.. i mix people!! (Again, sorry= on that one William). I wanted to invite you all to hear my first attemps on looping (just a few months now). I am using an Ovation Legend acoustic in= to the Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible electric guitar). I will thank feedback, advice, tips and donations. There's not too much p= eople looping here (Argentina) so.. you know, it's great to feel connected to y= ou all. That was it, best wishes and lots of thanks, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=3D454726 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 01:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794223BEF9; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00dd01c62539$90ff6ca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:02:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6HO9dC.A.jwC.dbW3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:07:41 +0000 (UTC) kim wrote: "....with people who are serious about looping and have been doing it for some time, they usually are performing a whole process with loops. Building it up, taking stuff out, manipulating the loops, changing the loops, evolving it from one thing to another. There is not some static point where you would save something. " I agree with you there, kim, but on my last long tour, I saved my favorite loops onto my Repeater and now am having a lot of fun going back and using them as Ur loops in new compositions (which are not real time), completely out of the context with which they were made originally. I personally love going back and forth between using loops in a dynamic way in concert and using them in a more 'step dynamic' building block way in computer composition. In fact, I tend to alternate between live looping recordings and more formal computer oriented compositional recordings. I think the best thing I ever recorded is Purple Hand which although not a live looping recording is, nonetheless, completely influenced by not only what I've played in a live looping context but also by what I've heard others do similarly. A lot of times I think of my live performances as a labratory for my later more formal compositions (this is also true because I'm such a limited instrumentalist on so many of the instruments that I 'play' so I have to take time to learn and record my parts to be up to par with a commercial release.) Consequently, the ability to save loops is a really desireable feature to me. A lot of times, and I don't know if I'm alone, I'll listen to a live looper start layering a track in concert and get to a point where I truly wish they would go in a certain direction with it that they don't. I've always longed to have a very compact digital recorder to capture such moments.............sneak away, make a piece with the 'stolen' loop and return it to the artist as a possible collaboration. I know that's hopelessly narcissistic but I'll bet a lot of loop artists have similar feelings listening to some of there comrades live. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 01:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 765F53BF04; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <229295e6d11f91d1ccf066efe2510a03@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:45:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Ariel, I am still listening to the pieces you posted on the web (I think I'm on about the 4th or 5th track now) but I am liking what I am hearing so far. Really interesting musical ideas and a nice guitar tone too (very clean recording). Fun use of looping effects too . . . a lot of changing and tweaking of the loops (making full use of the DL-4). Good work. Post some more! Best Regards, Ted Killian 1811 Patrick Street Medford Oregon, 97504 Tele: 541.608.7143 Cell: 541.890.6225 On Jan 29, 2006, at 4:07 PM, arzezak@uces.edu.ar wrote: > I dont post much on the list but when i do.. i mix people!! (Again, > sorry on > that one William). I wanted to invite you all to hear my first attemps > on > looping (just a few months now). I am using an Ovation Legend acoustic > into the > Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible electric guitar). > > I will thank feedback, advice, tips and donations. There's not too > much people > looping here (Argentina) so.. you know, it's great to feel connected > to you > all. > > That was it, > best wishes and lots of thanks, > > Ariel Rzezak > Buenos Aires, Argentina > http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ > or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=454726 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 02:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8284E3BEF9; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c62545$35bdcc40$6501a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:31:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Muy bueno, Ariel. I checked them all. My favorites are La Procesion, Botonitos and especially Big Advice. These have excellent melodic development and even some nice guitar work and a little percussion it seems. Bravo - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/ x----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping Hi, I dont post much on the list but when i do.. i mix people!! (Again, sorry on that one William). I wanted to invite you all to hear my first attemps on looping (just a few months now). I am using an Ovation Legend acoustic into the Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible electric guitar). I will thank feedback, advice, tips and donations. There's not too much people looping here (Argentina) so.. you know, it's great to feel connected to you all. That was it, best wishes and lots of thanks, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=454726 x From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 03:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AA433BEF0; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129184615.04c25a38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:04:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <00dd01c62539$90ff6ca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00dd01c62539$90ff6ca0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:01:14 +0000 (UTC) At 04:02 PM 1/29/2006, loop.pool wrote: >kim wrote: >"....with people who are serious about looping and have been doing it for >some time, they usually are performing a whole process with loops. Building >it up, taking stuff out, manipulating the loops, changing the loops, >evolving it from one thing to another. There is not some static point where >you would save something. " > >I agree with you there, kim, but on my last long tour, I saved my favorite >loops onto my Repeater and now am having a lot of fun going back >and using them as Ur loops in new compositions (which are not >real time), completely out of the context with which they were made >originally. Sure, I agree with that. Looping is a great way to generate a lot of ideas for composing or a lot of source material for compositional building blocks later. But then I still don't understand why you would only save one single still-frame static loop out of the whole process of creating and evolving the loops in a given piece. What if there were many great points during that process that you want? Or what if a point you didn't think was interesting in the moment suddenly becomes really interesting two weeks later? And as you suggest, oftentimes the magic moment is in the middle somewhere, just before you manipulate the loop in a different direction. In the heat of performing, I doubt you would think to stop and save the loop right at that point, or that you would want to interrupt your performance to do that. You would be going on with your playing, and then only later think how you really liked that spot two minutes into the piece that is now completely obliterated by all the loop manipulations done after that moment. That's why I think it makes far more sense to just record the whole process. Forget about saving a single static loop. Save all the audio of the whole looping process, both input and output. Along with that, save all the MIDI output of the looper. The MIDI commands will serve as marker points so you can later see everything you did, where the loop start and end points are, etc. You can go back through it and find all the good points, and not have interrupted your creative process with typing in file names in the middle of a performance. You could even recreate the whole thing back into the looper if you wanted to, just plug it the other way and press play. It's real easy. At the beginning of the piece, press record. At the end, press stop. then you have everything, like a movie with time code and the director's instructions, rather than a single frame with no context. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 03:45:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05DE3BEF6; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EvyZHet8519sfgRhIxj4Imun5+WmwPKlfLRDBEZqQwiDO226yvQTT00GT60UKqqWebOjVxm7SInHaa/kVoqn6Mc9HAVfeccBKlW01dMyiaLr4lSGumgGVOq29tcCGTOdkqYC0mZkC3+Ex5LkHhLCNzwZhSMPjWCf2fxjxSWoVSg= ; Message-ID: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:45:23 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129184615.04c25a38@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6G23dB.A.SaH.VvY3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Well look who woke up! It's Kim! Nice to have you back, your posts are always great. I totally agree with Kim. While the Repeater is set up to save your loops, there is rarely a loop that doesn't get overdubed with or without some % of feedback. I found trying to get the loops off the compact flash card to be like memories of a dream where you know there was more but you can't quite get it. Recording the whole damn thing (nice for me I'm always synced to a midi clock so extracting loops is painless... more painless than getting them off the Repeater's card) is for sure the way to go. Mark --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 04:02 PM 1/29/2006, loop.pool wrote: > >kim wrote: > >"....with people who are serious about looping and > have been doing it for > >some time, they usually are performing a whole > process with loops. Building > >it up, taking stuff out, manipulating the loops, > changing the loops, > >evolving it from one thing to another. There is not > some static point where > >you would save something. " > > > >I agree with you there, kim, but on my last long > tour, I saved my favorite > >loops onto my Repeater and now am having a lot of > fun going back > >and using them as Ur loops in new compositions > (which are not > >real time), completely out of the context with > which they were made > >originally. > > Sure, I agree with that. Looping is a great way to > generate a lot of ideas > for composing or a lot of source material for > compositional building blocks > later. > > But then I still don't understand why you would only > save one single > still-frame static loop out of the whole process of > creating and evolving > the loops in a given piece. What if there were many > great points during > that process that you want? Or what if a point you > didn't think was > interesting in the moment suddenly becomes really > interesting two weeks later? > > And as you suggest, oftentimes the magic moment is > in the middle somewhere, > just before you manipulate the loop in a different > direction. In the heat > of performing, I doubt you would think to stop and > save the loop right at > that point, or that you would want to interrupt your > performance to do > that. You would be going on with your playing, and > then only later think > how you really liked that spot two minutes into the > piece that is now > completely obliterated by all the loop manipulations > done after that moment. > > That's why I think it makes far more sense to just > record the whole > process. Forget about saving a single static loop. > Save all the audio of > the whole looping process, both input and output. > Along with that, save all > the MIDI output of the looper. The MIDI commands > will serve as marker > points so you can later see everything you did, > where the loop start and > end points are, etc. You can go back through it and > find all the good > points, and not have interrupted your creative > process with typing in file > names in the middle of a performance. You could even > recreate the whole > thing back into the looper if you wanted to, just > plug it the other way and > press play. > > It's real easy. At the beginning of the piece, press > record. At the end, > press stop. then you have everything, like a movie > with time code and the > director's instructions, rather than a single frame > with no context. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 03:49:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D69D43BEFA; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a9Vyv9abT+Cp60w5RcMoab59POJNjE7HJf4bT9/qyCDmSmYtQqT+KigyfSGzSCHncLp+yE2S4qf0PLb4N9ZuZIkvFcG/YX/TeFm4cxWqwKvahZPwmG9MvV40GKqEZL0KwUKpRMID/8vfN6YaacZECZOClG6qXQNzkKiaanifKeQ= ; Message-ID: <20060130034910.71801.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <229295e6d11f91d1ccf066efe2510a03@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:49:10 +0000 (UTC) I agree, sweet loopage. Makes me want to dust off the acoustic/electric I ignore... --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Ariel, > > I am still listening to the pieces you posted on the > web (I think I'm > on about the 4th or > 5th track now) but I am liking what I am hearing so > far. Really > interesting musical ideas > and a nice guitar tone too (very clean recording). > Fun use of looping > effects too . . . a lot of > changing and tweaking of the loops (making full use > of the DL-4). Good > work. Post some more! > > Best Regards, > > Ted Killian > 1811 Patrick Street > Medford Oregon, 97504 > Tele: 541.608.7143 > Cell: 541.890.6225 > On Jan 29, 2006, at 4:07 PM, arzezak@uces.edu.ar > wrote: > > > I dont post much on the list but when i do.. i mix > people!! (Again, > > sorry on > > that one William). I wanted to invite you all to > hear my first attemps > > on > > looping (just a few months now). I am using an > Ovation Legend acoustic > > into the > > Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible > electric guitar). > > > > I will thank feedback, advice, tips and donations. > There's not too > > much people > > looping here (Argentina) so.. you know, it's great > to feel connected > > to you > > all. > > > > That was it, > > best wishes and lots of thanks, > > > > Ariel Rzezak > > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ > > or > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=454726 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 03:52:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A3C3BF00; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129182700.01b02a38@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:52:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <20060130014342.A4C3A3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060130014342.A4C3A3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:52:35 +0000 (UTC) >From: Kim Flint > >At 01:28 PM 1/29/2006, Kevin wrote: >>WRT Max time, two words: "Undo", "Redo". The docs on the EDP >>make very plain what the memory costs are for undos. > >I thought this thread was about the Looperlative? It's not clear to >me what this has to do with the Echoplex. From what I understand, >Looperlative doesn't have an explicit Undo function now like the Echoplex... Well if the Looperlative doesn't have an Undo then I guess I don't want it, so the point's moot. But plowing on with the geek speak: "Ben" wrote: [Looperlative] is equipped with 128 Mbytes. With a 24bit/48khz sampling, this gives - about 932 seconds mono - or 466 sec stereo - or 58 sec per stereo track if you use all the 8. 466 seconds is less than 8 minutes, total. So I guess I don't understand where the "10 minutes per track" came from. Could someone please clarify this for me? Going back to Undos, per the "Undo" section in the EDP manual, each time you do an overdub, the entire loop is copied to a new section of memory, if one is available. That's assuming that there's no memory fragmentation which would mean you would have even less memory to work with. Looking at a standard 32-bar AABA song format with two beats to the bar and each beat at 80 bpm, one track takes 64 beats/tune divided by 80 bpm equals 48 seconds. Let's say "one minute" just to make the calculations easier, especially since, as I've said, my loops on their own tend to be about 100 seconds long. It's typical in a live situation for my band to play a song for 10 minutes. Sometimes we go for 20 minutes. What I'm using the EDP for is to make a duo or a trio sound much bigger than it is. I assume that people like it because we get paid for it. So if I lay down a riff over two bars, tweak it some and then multiply it over the tune that's one minute plus the length of the riff including overdubs. A two-bar riff may be quite complex and require 4 or 5 overdubs which takes the equivalent of memory of easily half a minute, maybe as much as a minute The second time through I add some structure. That's three minutes gone. Now I start adding some melodic fragments on the turnaround or chord stabs: four minutes. Now I do a LoopCopy to save this to another loop so I can go back to it: five minutes. Now I do a solo overdub: six minutes. Now I double my solo and put down a harmony part: seven minutes. Now I LoopCopy to another loop to save it: eight minutes. If I want to do anything else, I screw up my undo and I need the undo in case the latest bit doesn't work.I still have three to thirteen minutes left to go. But I do have two cool LoopCopies I can go back to. "Ah but you didn't use your LoopCopies", you say. Well, not yet. But I might want to do a breakdown, I might be saving a loop or two to guard against mistakes. I'm a band member, not a soloist, I don't have as much freedom to move as a lot of solo loopers. Now don't get me wrong, I love my EDP. But the EDP's Undo limitation and the lack of Undo in Looperlative are a serious consideration for me. Storage is cheap, give me more storage. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 03:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930153BF07; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xiFszIU4/bRau4yHZuPXq1z46RAD8EnzBDbRLOFNzq7HcHhcc8VDv6Da+FX8UfRcMV6oeBgJcUTppq3E058fn5bQdzwHAxva/3LJCP1YwD7xq5jpOV8MC0B8A5L7uu4ISKsMTDa1UKL2NNDmx8sMvDS9jZCYpYNN8Jva1B8UuIA= ; Message-ID: <20060130035933.70028.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:59:33 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:59:35 +0000 (UTC) I know this will seem old hat to a lot of Repeater users, but I just had so much fun today doing something that I knew the Repeater did (even tested it out while 1.1 was in beta) but due to my set up I ignored. I completely automated the record function while running the drums from Stylus (Digital Performer as a host) Man it was great! Having my loop go in and out of record at various points with no prompting from me was a blast! Setting it to pitch shift at points was crazy! I didn't pay too much attention to where I was in the sequence and the result was very much like there was someone else controlling my Repeater. (all quantized so things started at measure beginnings) Very cool results. I advise anyone who's got a computer (or sequencer that records and plays back midi messages) to try this out. It's like I got new features for free. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 05:01:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05DCC3BEF0; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129133843.04e4f520@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060129133843.04e4f520@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <008088A6-0AE1-492E-A300-5E68DBE7AD82@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Looping patents (was Looperlative too Expensive) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:01:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: jeff@zonemobius.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6Iob8D.A.zzB.n2Z3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:01:27 +0000 (UTC) [Kevin] > Allow me to correct a possible misperception here about intellectual > property (IP) law. Patents protect ideas, copyright protects the > expression of those ideas. Technically, a patent does not protect an idea, it protects a particular manifestation of the idea or the "process" by which you manifest an idea. You cannot patent the concept of "a box of some sort with a spring loaded door that slams shut to catch mice". But you can patent a specific design for such a device, something you could draw a picture of. Originally patents were applied only to things that were manufactured. Things that were easy to duplicate like text and music could not be patented, but could be copyrighted. Then around 15 years ago, one of the worst things to ever happen to the computer industry was excreted by the US government: software patents. On the surface, software patents seem reasonable to most people. The problem is that they have been grossly abused and mutated into "idea patents". You can now patent vaguely specified concepts with broad scope without ever actually doing anything. The patent office is being spray hosed with millions of totally meaningless patent applications and they do not understand what they are approving. Whether a patent is valid or not doesn't matter, because if you are sued for violating a patent, you need hundreds of thousands of dollars to mount a defense. Ironically, the only entities that can afford patent litigation are the big businesses, the individual "inventors" that patents are supposed to protect usually get screwed. [Kim] > Interestingly, while many basic ideas about looping are not patented, > multi-track looping and some methods for implementing and controlling > multi-track loopers are patented. Interesting, it doesn't surprise me. Just about anything you can do on a computer is patented by someone. Do you know who holds this or what the number is? I'm curious about what in the concept of "multi-track looping" is patentable, and how this differs from "multi-track recording" or "multi-track sequencing". Les Paul was probably doing multi-track looping 40 years ago, maybe they should sue him. If I load several instances of a PSP42 emulator in Sonar am I violating a patent? If I duct-tape two DL4's together am I multi-track looping? Wait, I could probably patent that. > I'm curious to know how some of these multi-track looper products > (both hardware and software) and their respective developers are > dealing with those patents. Speaking only for myself I'm ignoring them, just like I ignore the 50 million other patents that in some way cover the things I and every other software developer write every day. In the unlikely event that someone has nothing better to do than harass free software developers with patents, I would first do whatever I could to make sure the looping community knew just how large an asshole this person or corporation is. Then I would remove the feature from the core product and instruct all my users how to accomplish the same thing using scripts. I can't be held liable for what people choose to do with scripts any more than Microsoft can be held liable for what people do with C++. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 05:04:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDBF3BEF3; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Tracking-Number: 7a0e197d7c154fe1ada3c12fb0050d98 X-Spam-Policy: SMTP.com is a paid relay service. We don't tolerate UCE of any kind. Please report it ASAP to abuse@smtp.com (sender ID is 1125789) Message-ID: <43DD9E4F.8080906@iinet.net.au> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:04:15 +0900 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius on Windows vs. SooperLooper on Linux References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <005301c62523$c6ffbe10$40226d58@Bert> In-Reply-To: <005301c62523$c6ffbe10$40226d58@Bert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:04:23 +0000 (UTC) > > Whilst its not any info on comparissons (thus not answering your > question at all), if you are looking to run SL on Linux, Jesse (the > creater of SL) recommends installing Fedora Core 3 Linux and the > Planet CCRMA packages to run SL on a Linux setup. > I'm far away from my studio now, so I can't remember exact specs, but I installed sooperlooper under Planet CCRMA on an old Pentium 3 700mhz(~ish) machine and it served me well for eight stereo loops. I could have optimised the machine a lot more too. just FYI I've never run mobius, but I suspect it requires a slightly faster spec to achiever similar results. -mjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 05:34:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7463B3BF05; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <986293A1-B02D-489C-9246-9D884AE1FA41@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Mobius on Windows vs. SooperLooper on Linux Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:34:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: jeff@zonemobius.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:34:43 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 29, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Kevin wrote: > Has anyone done a performance comparison between Mobius on Windows > and SooperLooper on Linux for equivalent hardware? I'm thinking of > stability, low latency and speed. I'm looking at gear I may be > able to repurpose or even repackage into a rack mount as special- > purpose. > There are two issues here, the performance of the operating system doing audio processing and the performance of the looping software. In general, a version of Linux tuned for audio should be slightly better than Windows XP, which means you may be able to achieve a lower "block size" which is what determines the latency. Regarding the loopers, I don't have any experience with SooperLooper, but I'll bet that Mobius is more of a CPU hog, especially if you want to start using multiple tracks. So, if you've got an old machine you are probably better off with SooperLooper/Linux. If you've got a relatively modern machine, say 3 years old or less or are buying a new one then it doesn't matter, try both and pick the one whose features you like best. If you are only using the computer for looping and not amp modeling or anything else that defines the "live sound" of the instrument, then the latency doesn't really matter because the looping software can compensate. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 07:02:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78F4B3BF00; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011c01c6256b$21135000$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:02:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Dear Kim, your points about just recording the whole process as opposed to saving specific loops is really well taken and the only answer I have for you is that, imperfect as it is, I don't do this a lot merely for the sake of lack of time in setting up and having to take even more gear. Adding that laptop with the breakout box to record everything is another small load from the car and another 10 minutes of dicking around tacked onto my already too long setup (and ask poor Steve Lawson who had to share the small Looperlative booth with me at NAMM with my 'minimal' setup how much gear that is.........lol). It's imperfect but I was grateful at the end of the tour that I saved a dozen loops from it. Many of them I couldn't even remember the specific concerts from which they came but was really pleasantly surprised to rediscover them. Also, one thing I love to do is to take a loop and then really freak it out with many different VST plugins that I have (including things that radically repitch or slice/dice and rearrange the loop) to create new loops. I've been thinking seriously of doing a record project this next year called PLAIGARISM where I will just go back over my recorded output over the last 25 years and 'steal' from myself to create new music that is really different from the actual things that came out originally. It's like doing a remix record of oneself where the expressed purpose is NOT to create new versions of tunes but to create completely new tunes with material. I did a fascinating and fun record a few years back with Michael Haumesser (Not Michael) and Ken Lee called Thr-3-mix where we each created one piece of music..............sent the others all the components of the each piece (without sending the final piece) and have the others make a brand new piece of music using only the elements of the piece. It's available as a free download if you are interested at: www.notnoise.com You have to get to it with two clicks from there but it's such a beautiful and creatively minimal website I wanted everyone to experience it directly Along with a beautiful abstract electronica pop project called 'Tongue Tongue' that my wife, Chris Wedertz also did with Michael. I've often thought of suggesting that idea to the people at the CT Collective as a way to create a new CD. Michael is an amazing artist who does creative work that has inspired me all my life. He just moved back to the Santa Cruz area after living in Rhode Island for a long time. Check his site out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 08:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A335D3BF00; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V7roPmgnbcmI8KORQGkeM2T64FwS696FrntnGJoa+obKWbTXgHtG4MxCqPijKgjQiIujBTuJVqDR3hle4+rqI5UwatutJgrKLr5od61i69JVq6Ofmr02Ru01l+V0tB7uhEWS4paQRJ6RrYfPlv25pPMn47DfXtCET9xE/adzQ+s= ; Message-ID: <20060130083919.75846.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:39:19 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060130035933.70028.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:39:20 +0000 (UTC) wow mark sounds interesting did u program what functions to send on your sequencer or u just did it with its midi note presets? Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I know this will seem old hat to a lot of Repeater > users, but I just had so much fun today doing > something that I knew the Repeater did (even tested > it > out while 1.1 was in beta) but due to my set up I > ignored. I completely automated the record function > while running the drums from Stylus (Digital > Performer > as a host) Man it was great! Having my loop go in > and out of record at various points with no > prompting > from me was a blast! Setting it to pitch shift at > points was crazy! I didn't pay too much attention to > where I was in the sequence and the result was very > much like there was someone else controlling my > Repeater. (all quantized so things started at > measure > beginnings) Very cool results. I advise anyone > who's > got a computer (or sequencer that records and plays > back midi messages) to try this out. It's like I > got > new features for free. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 09:24:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DB5B3BEFF; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=01RbJZ4BxESgDCeu7jp4GnkETztYemI1tBRNhZbKPXqWJ/7s3oihQ4gEEH1wi1FNnFSSD0eJW37O26pX/KwzyurkV2kdkXYu73cRobz5YRiWMU+9CqoIvwYQT6quy2n+kdabm04AiTH6mTjEfaexHhRTqoXchrTMfC93TdaK4OM= ; Message-ID: <20060130092422.62098.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:24:24 +0000 (UTC) This is very very interesting, sorry ive never doen this how could i tell which functions i used on the EDP if i was to record the midi comands with my Sonar sequencer, for example? > > That's why I think it makes far more sense to just > > record the whole > > process. Forget about saving a single static loop. > > Save all the audio of > > the whole looping process, both input and output. > > Along with that, save all > > the MIDI output of the looper. The MIDI commands > > will serve as marker > > points so you can later see everything you did, > > where the loop start and > > end points are, etc. You can go back through it > and > > find all the good > > points, and not have interrupted your creative > > process with typing in file > > names in the middle of a performance. You could > even > > recreate the whole > > thing back into the looper if you wanted to, just > > plug it the other way and > > press play. > > > > It's real easy. At the beginning of the piece, > press > > record. At the end, > > press stop. then you have everything, like a movie > > with time code and the > > director's instructions, rather than a single > frame > > with no context. > > > > kim > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 09:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24F73BF04; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060130035933.70028.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060130035933.70028.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:36:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:36:34 +0000 (UTC) At 7:59 PM -0800 1/29/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > >I know this will seem old hat to a lot of Repeater users, but I just >had so much fun today doing >something that I knew the Repeater did (even tested it out while 1.1 >was in beta) but due to my set up I ignored. I completely automated >the record function while running the drums from Stylus (Digital >Performer as a host) Man it was great! And there's another great example of why -- despite the fact that I'm on list for the Looperlative -- my good old Repeater still ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Too many cool and quirky features. ;) Different tools for different jobs. Respect each for what it is... --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 09:37:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65E13BF08; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129182700.01b02a38@TheNettles.com> References: <20060130014342.A4C3A3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129182700.01b02a38@TheNettles.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:37:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:37:10 +0000 (UTC) At 7:52 PM -0800 1/29/06, Kevin wrote: > >Now don't get me wrong, I love my EDP. But the EDP's Undo >limitation and the lack of Undo in Looperlative are a serious >consideration for me. Storage is cheap, give me more storage. Well, just to clarify, but from my understanding it's a bit disingenuous to say that the Looperlative has no Undo whatsoever. Kim's previous statement is indeed correct that there is no *explicit* Undo. FWIW, a couple of us have politely requested Bob to consider a single-layer "oh shit, i've just completely fucked this pass" sort of Undo capability, and he's (equally politely) agreed to look into what it would take to implement. However, it sounds more like we're talking more about creative manipulation -- using different levels of Undo/Redo to pull layers in and out of a composition. The good news here is that on the Looperlative, you don't have to resort to that sort of "undo manipulation" to obtain the same end-result: there are the eight stereo Tracks. If one thinks of each of those eight Tracks as a discrete Undo Buffers, then you've effectively got eight levels of Undo on the Looperlative. What's more, you don't have to, for example, undo Buffers (a.k.a. Tracks) four through eight just because you want to pull out Buffer (Track) number three. Each Buffer (Track) can be recorded, muted, or wiped entirely independent of the others. Of course, that doesn't impact on the discussion of how much available looping time there is. But the "Looperlative has no Undo" meme is not exactly accurate, except in the most explicit of definitions. As always, it depends on what you're trying to accomplish, and how you use the machine. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 09:42:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CED023BF01; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <71E469E6-E1AF-44B5-AE5C-EB45922E5D9D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on Windows vs. SooperLooper on Linux Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:42:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:31 +0000 (UTC) On 29 jan 2006, at 22.09, Kevin wrote: > Has anyone done a performance comparison between Mobius on Windows > and SooperLooper on Linux for equivalent hardware? I have only tried SoolerLooper in the AU plug-in version for OS X and that's probably not the same as the Linux vesion. But I have been using Mobius a lot lately and can only say that it's working perfectly over here. I also own an EDP and have been using the Electrixpro Repeater. I prefer Mobius because of the stereo recording and the option of running many parallel loops in a poly rhythm context. > I'm thinking of stability, Never have any crashes at all with Mobius. But nothing ever crashes on that laptop anyway. I do not use it for mail, photoshop or anything. It is dedicated for audio. And it is a machine that does meet the specs suitable for audio work. I'm running XP pro, also set for audio work. Link tip: http://www.musicxp.net/ > low latency Not an issue. Mobius compensates for that when looping. > and speed. I don't understand this question? "Speed"? If you mean "booting up time" that's about a second for Mobius. > I'm looking at gear I may be able to repurose or even repackage > into a rack mount as special-purpose. Maybe a rack mountable PC would do the trick? But then there is also the screen to take care of. I prefer to keep hardware in a rack and a laptop in a safe backpack. The laptop connects through USB MIDI and FW audio cable when setting up the rig. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 09:42:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0B43BF15; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <35828F91-BFAC-4248-88AD-55CF7BF2A8D3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Recording looping (was: Looperlative - Max Time?) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:42:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:42:32 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Kim that it does make more sense to record everything and that's what I usually do. Here are some methods I have been using: It's easiest in Mobius standalone version where you simply press a "Start recording" button and start making noise. This will give you one stereo file. You can set Mobius to pass the audio input through and then you will also get you're live input instrument playing recorded. If using many parallel loops you will have to also keep a good level mix between the looping channels (as they will all be summed into one stereo file). I like this method because it's simple and true to the live looping performance. Most "work-in-progress" files I have posted recently were created this way. Then there is also the multichannel recording concept. I like this too because it gives you more control to tweak the recording for best fidelity. I also dislike it because of that ;-) One easy way to achieve that is to use Ableton Live as the host and recording software. You open looping plug-ins on dedicated channels and set other dedicated channels to fetch hardware loopers from separate audio card inputs. You can also use effects in Live. Direct audio streams to some tracks you set up in Live, record enable these tracks and start recording Clips by a Toggle Scene command (clicking a cell in the master column). Eventual pre mixes can be decided on when directing the output from the looping channels to the "to be recorded" channels. I find this recording method very nice when looping with the Augustus Loop plug-in because with that looper you can assign pedals and midi clips to change the pitch of the loop while playing. The drawback is that the old (non-intel) macs are so slow that you can not run many loopers in parallel. But you may have to set the host tempo in Albeton Live because Live is rather flakey when it comes to following MIDI Clock tempo. For solo gigs I prefer to set the tempo with the "first cached loop" method and that's why I like the "EDP into recorder" or Mobius standalone setup better. For group live looping though, the multichannel method rocks, because then all musicians tend to sync up to a global clock anyway. A more experimental recording concept is to only record your source audio input and the MIDI controller data. This will let you "reconstruct" the looping performance aftwerwards. I tried this with a EDP/Repeater rig and it worked out just fine. I ended up with one audio track with my own instrument playing and one MIDI track from the MIDI foot pedal I was using to control the two hardware loopers during the performance. Back in the studio I connected the gear and fed the two looping devices with the recorded audio and the recorded MIDI. What happened then was that my live looping performance was "re- performed". I was then able to record different parts of the performance to separate audio tracks for a better sounding mix. On 30 jan 2006, at 04.45, mark sottilaro wrote: (on FC saved Repeater loops) > I found trying to get the loops off the > compact flash card to be like memories of a dream > where you know there was more but you can't quite get > it. Nice wording, Mark :-) When recording the entire performance I have often found the opposite scenario: a new dream does arise when you listen back to the recording. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 10:15:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 186773BF04; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c62585$fc1d6220$b716fea9@nenufar> Reply-To: "Emmanuel PERILLE" From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" To: References: <20060127041136.F378D3BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060126210036.0190d088@TheNettles.com> <26ba8d120601262344rc0f89d1o60b54fadcd19354b@mail.gmail.com> <43DC9157.8020102@addcom.de> <6.1.2.0.2.20060129124121.04e5b2a8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Looperlative core Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:14:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:15:17 +0000 (UTC) 128Mbyte RAM + USB port => Analog Device BLACKFIN DSP core ? if so, firmware "develooped" in C I suppose ... always so fast to start such a project ... EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 10:24:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEE6A3BF06; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43DDE95E.2080003@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:24:30 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? References: <00b201c623eb$9b74fd20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20060128120019.016803BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060128152659.04fcf500@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060128152659.04fcf500@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Kim Flint wrote: > And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of > goodness for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this loop > time? If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 minute > long loops, please don't invite me! You don't know what kinda fun it is to see a musician when she unexpectatly listens to what he played 10 minutes ago. This face alone is worth to consider long looping times. In the end music/art is about designing surprise isn't it? Whenever bounderies are broken down by several magnitudes its also breaking down the imagination what the hell could you do with this much looping time/possibilities... I can assure you, as soon you got it, you'll know, and you'll use it... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 10:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA8993BF0B; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43DDE97E.2090408@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:25:02 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? References: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060127190944.23729.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <58jy-C.A.ORC.Bme3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:25:05 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > Very good point Per. When was the last time you > bought a laptop or software and had the developer > respond personally to a question posted to a list? > NEVER. That is surely worth something. I think its every day since about 15 Years at least for the software I use. All of the developers of Max/MSP post to their lists, I doubt you'll find one day where there is no personal response of at least one of the developers to one of the questions. The max list is as active as Loopers-Delight, as actually most lists which deal with creative software solutions: Pd, CSound, Supercollider come to mind. But these tools don't give you a looper out of the box, you would have to (and want to) do it yourself, which is the most exciting thing in the world. No begging for features, you miss it?, you just implement it... Its definitely worth to get into one of these tools... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 10:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89F23BEE6; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.139.228):SA:0(-2.5/5.0):. Processed in 1.438428 secs Process 16373) Message-ID: <003a01c6258a$c6f530f0$e48b6d58@Bert> From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:48:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0605-0, 29/01/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Very nice Ariel! It just goes to show what you can do with a humble DL4 (My favourite hardware looper). -- Stuart Wyatt - http://swyatt.com From rmcs@bowlesrice.com Mon Jan 30 10:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from c-2fbfe455.41-0165-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (c-2fbfe455.41-0165-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.228.191.47]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E4CE13BED9; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by 10.11.98.3 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:55:25 -0600 Message-ID: <800g819p.3147810@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:55:25 -0600 From: "Wilfredo Givens" User-Agent: Apple Mail (2.728) X-PGP-Key: Cvs3NxS79syYuW0P1NM3lZe7K2rFRuuY72CKEUjDBm8yY1qMvo5BzfjTvK7B6sjQ== X-Load: 98% MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 3dloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, ers-delight@loopers-delight.com, est@loopers-delight.com, ght@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com, light@loopers-delight.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com, rs-delight@loopers-delight.com, s-delight@loopers-delight.com, uest@loopers-delight.com Subject: Urgent Notification #2000722338 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_88449615==.OLA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_88449615==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j0qTbDGlx1SEM4qhzFusUfrIfmCEFTqvHn/qidrwESJua/c+WZ+F7VB1G7yL1DnZUvCJN8o7RGVeAzl2t7eVM5sgL0E44+BCjuQjgHfF+hdgDbpKWWSGqk/PRHrbkdK0lDj80UtiOWlY2leUfLan4ubPdePC9vEBoOyRhlCtnEU= ; Message-ID: <009401c6258b$c6a67f40$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <35828F91-BFAC-4248-88AD-55CF7BF2A8D3@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Recording looping (was: Looperlative - Max Time?) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:56:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:56:12 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > It's easiest in Mobius standalone version where you simply press a "Start > recording" button and start making noise. This will give you one stereo > file. The problem is that you can't correct a mistake in this case. I'm just a beginner that don't know the scales very well ;-) > A more experimental recording concept is to only record your source audio > input and the MIDI controller data. This will let you "reconstruct" the > looping performance aftwerwards. I also use a lot the "save all layers" in mobius. This way every pass is getting recorded and I can also reconstruct the song afterwards, discarding the mistakes ;-) The thing is that you need more memory to work this way. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 11:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC943BEE6; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <009401c6258b$c6a67f40$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <35828F91-BFAC-4248-88AD-55CF7BF2A8D3@boysen.se> <009401c6258b$c6a67f40$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <662DBEC0-C5C8-4304-B219-F460BA46F85A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording looping (was: Looperlative - Max Time?) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:48:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:48:21 +0000 (UTC) On 30 jan 2006, at 11.56, Ben wrote: > I also use a lot the "save all layers" in mobius. This way every > pass is getting recorded and I can also reconstruct the song > afterwards, discarding the mistakes ;-) > The thing is that you need more memory to work this way. Good point! I haven't thought of that. That's a good tip for "reconstrictive recording". Makes me think about a "pre-constructive" recording method I recently tried; using no looper at all but simply playing with an instrument into any recorder whatever you imagine would work good if played back simultaneously as loops instead of in the linear way you record it. Afterward you can go back and cut up the recording into "loops" that you put on parallel tracks for simultaneous playback (like a real-time looping device). It may be OT here but that's actually a musical mind training method that I have found very rewarding. Try to keep as much of the musical structuring "unplayed" in your short time memory and let those underlying structures influence your actually playing. What you may stuff away into your memory (instead of explicitly playing it) may be chord vamps, counter melodies or grooves. Any listener will "hear" them anyway, although maybe differently according to their own references. By practicing that way you can learn to play lines that "imply more than is physically heard". I find that tremendously exciting! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 12:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01743BEF3; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:30:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 28, 2006 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Message-id: <43DB63C9.8060500@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <2rY-KD.A.y8F.edg3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:32:30 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060128.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #81 January 28, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Embrase] Time Is Killing Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) VA [Ken Martin] Space Cruise Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) VA [Ozone Player] Whatever Happened To,,, Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) VA [Nattefrost] Vejentilasgaard Edition #6 Sampler (Groove) Parallel Worlds Aural Fragments Existence (Rubber Recordins) Palancar Convergent Lines Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Asahina Masami] Sky Begins Sequences No. 31 (Emma) Sia Rewrite Colour the Small One (Astralwerks) Terry Oldfoeld Deep Connection De Profundis: Out of the Depths II (New Earth) Ken Hatfield Snowhill Variations String Theory (Arthur Circle) Theme and Variations 1 - 6 Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Pulse Oye Como Va CDR from Pulse (none) Pulse Singer In A Rock'n'Roll CDR from Pulse (none) Band Pulse Comfortably Numb CDR from Pulse (none) Pulse Hymn 43 CDR from Pulse (none) VA [Pangaea] Something Happened Un Voyage En Progressif Vol. 9 Yesterday (Musea) Mike Florio Bells for 1827 Arisen (Independent) Ritual Typhoons Decide Live (InsideOut) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on February 11. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 12:43:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B0A23BEF8; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:43:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <43DDE95E.2080003@addcom.de> Thread-Index: AcYlh127UdmciUuKQZu96doj6HKjBgAE1FZA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20060130124350.95FDB3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:43:51 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] Sent: 30 January 2006 10:25 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Kim Flint wrote: > And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of > goodness for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this > loop time? If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 > minute long loops, please don't invite me! And by the way. It's not about making 10 minute long loops. You just seem to miss the point. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 13:04:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09783BEF8; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c6259d$9f6c35c0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <00ff01c614ad$2611b430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <097701c6173c$e002e300$99b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009a01c61772$4b59e150$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Query: Repairs in London Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:03:52 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi Again, It would appear that Alesis in the US reads LD, as I was sent a number / email of a firm that does repairs for them in the UK. There's only one problem, that of their quotes policy: If I send them the unit and tell them what the problem is, no quote will be produced unless the cost-of-repair is £100 or over. Since the unit itself can be replaced with an exact duplicate for a bit less than that, I thought I would like to find out if the external power supply itself might be the failure point, based on the uniform non-60Hz buzz (though that's a gentle word for what the noise is!) that emerges from the unit whether it's being bypassed or not. Seeing a couple on eBay UK - some of which were without the external power supply, or had theirs replaced (with what, I wonder, given that weird din-like plug) - I find it necessary to ask you fine bunch of folks, who have done such repairs etc on their QV units, does this failure / buzz sound familiar? Thanks, Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 13:24:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296023BEFB; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c625a0$6e335210$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060130092422.62098.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:23:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:24:01 +0000 (UTC) This is very very interesting, sorry ive never doen this how could i tell which functions i used on the EDP if i was to record the midi comands with my Sonar sequencer, for example? play it back to the EDP watch the display or read the manual and write the "midi message / EDP function" relationship down read the edit window in sonar (there probably is one where you can see the note/cc values in a grid) Claude ps: why do you want to analyse your live looping this way ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 13:28:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD46F3BEFA; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oSyvPsPqE85fpIjh/J2shbpdUMvyNufudETIIjb4JRCBLDBO2KWYhfSQb8eOj6CGyKUJA/gxBzg3el+dbDIDNIl4I4doYAWf7O2ik6HviryRNdnOkmu/rd1DUrJ0TfXKdzxNs6IXqFTrcxV/jWQ6Wel3a1bnSchvkdEOdzaK2EI= ; Message-ID: <00ff01c625a1$0cfe90d0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060130034523.70692.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <35828F91-BFAC-4248-88AD-55CF7BF2A8D3@boysen.se> <009401c6258b$c6a67f40$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> <662DBEC0-C5C8-4304-B219-F460BA46F85A@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Recording looping (was: Looperlative - Max Time?) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:28:28 +0000 (UTC) > It may be OT here but that's actually a musical mind training method that > I have found very rewarding. Try to keep as much of the musical > structuring "unplayed" in your short time memory and let those underlying > structures influence your actually playing. What you may stuff away into > your memory (instead of explicitly playing it) may be chord vamps, > counter melodies or grooves. Any listener will "hear" them anyway, > although maybe differently according to their own references. By > practicing that way you can learn to play lines that "imply more than is > physically heard". I find that tremendously exciting! Oh I always play this way. I'm never able to play what I hear in my head anyway. LOL!! That's also a bit like listening to a very quiet radio when you are driving. You hear some part of a song you know but don't recognise it and reconstruct a completely another one. Fun. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 14:22:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DEB63BF01; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jxcZ3QIc05HXE0RWKIMcufcWRWFExkQMRnG2YXX5U8H4kiwyWBS4c1qvxOVOASvgzI7KSMhjZXmm/E0SJ7sVu7RznUY4EclXE2PKnASrXPo/ZojxyJHO9VQVoSf7EYsDeujYORmHdVeKzmDwsSww6+ofAevoqvNEGeM1ODDUYDQ= ; Message-ID: <20060130142217.86737.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Looperlative - Max Time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006a01c625a0$6e335210$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:22:18 +0000 (UTC) i never record my performances,i am to lazy for it,but if i do i sometimes just save a loop i think it sounds cool in the repeaters flashcard,but when i hear it back i regret not having recorded the whole proccess!like kim was saying the evoultion is the interesting part to see how it was done.Perhaps this could help me see how and what i did by accident and use those techniques in other improvs or reproduce it as a live loop composition... --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > > This is very very interesting, sorry ive never doen > this how could i tell which functions i used on the > EDP if i was to record the midi comands with my > Sonar > sequencer, for example? > > play it back to the EDP watch the display > or > read the manual and write the "midi message / EDP > function" relationship > down > read the edit window in sonar (there probably is one > where you can see the > note/cc values in a grid) > > Claude > > ps: why do you want to analyse your live looping > this way ? > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 14:36:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6717F3BEF9; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-pair-Authenticated: 67.87.79.235 From: "AKA" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative core Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:36:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYlhhJUICbWCqySQ2GQ3o+6zfbqMQAJG8iw In-Reply-To: <006301c62585$fc1d6220$b716fea9@nenufar> Message-Id: <20060130143656.B5B713BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Sure entirely feasable here is a possible scenario for an open source looper system http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id= Maybe use a modified version of SooperLooper you might have to separate/remove the current UI code and add some hardware UI code. So, lets see here are some boards that with some work might be able to produce the desired results http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=projects#hardware_projects One could start out fresh and use libsndfile to build individual loop functions being this is all based on Open Source/Hardware I suppose you would have to sell it for labor fees being most of the above is GPLed. Fun Stuff Hmm Open Looper....? -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looperlative core 128Mbyte RAM + USB port => Analog Device BLACKFIN DSP core ? if so, firmware "develooped" in C I suppose ... always so fast to start such a project ... EP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 15:03:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045D43BEF3; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <078701c625ae$442bdba0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Weight of an EDP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:03:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 456, in=206862, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know off hand how much and EDP weighs (blackface)? Let me guess....6 pounds? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 15:09:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72ECF3BF17; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <079301c625af$27aa1400$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:09:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 458, in=211479, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink hardrive recorder on ebay as well. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances, many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the unit, but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a memory card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't have that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the material to redbook CD-R on the unit. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 15:23:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA9DD3BF14; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20060130101702.01ebd650@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:23:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping In-Reply-To: <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-52E13FD4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ariel, I've been enjoying listening to your tracks. There is some really nice playing there, very clean execution. My own favorite is With a Big advice from my Friends Keep it up. Paul Haslem, Ontario, Canada At 07:07 PM 1/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >I will thank feedback, advice, tips and donations. There's not too much people >looping here (Argentina) so.. you know, it's great to feel connected to you >all. > >That was it, >best wishes and lots of thanks, > >Ariel Rzezak >Buenos Aires, Argentina >http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ >or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=454726 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 16:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 838C53BEFF; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:01:50 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20060129133843.04e4f520@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c625b6$7af1f270$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:00:28 +0000 (UTC) > I'm curious to know how some of these multi-track looper > products (both > hardware and software) and their respective developers are > dealing with > those patents. Are they making specific design choices to > avoid infringing > the patents? Are they licensing the technology from the > original inventor? > Or are they unaware of the patents and just running blind > into a big problem? > > My guess is the latter... > Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where I might find the patent info? Searching that patent office for "Perille" yields nothing, searching for "Loop" yields over 300,000 results, and searching for "multitrack AND loop" gives 179 with no obvious titles relating to our subject. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 16:29:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BD283BF01; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [70.107.144.104] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000701c625b6$7af1f270$0402a8c0@Lightning> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixer for Looping duo Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:29:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2006 16:29:02.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[47EC2180:01C625BA] Resent-Message-ID: <8Xz6SD.A.n7F.Q7j3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I have an improv duo which is touch gtr & voice. We have been using a eurorack to share a looper but we’ve had some noise problems. Can someone suggest an alternate mixer please? It’s simple setup: Channel 1: vocal mic into multi effects Channel 2: gtr, pedals, (need to find a good DI with speaker simulator too) Channel 3: EDP (from efx send 1) (we might throw a lexicon reverb in efx 2 in the near future but we like spareness right now) Thanks Lou >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:01:50 -0500 > > > > I'm curious to know how some of these multi-track looper > > products (both > > hardware and software) and their respective developers are > > dealing with > > those patents. Are they making specific design choices to > > avoid infringing > > the patents? Are they licensing the technology from the > > original inventor? > > Or are they unaware of the patents and just running blind > > into a big problem? > > > > My guess is the latter... > > > >Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where I might find the patent >info? Searching that patent office for "Perille" yields nothing, searching >for "Loop" yields over 300,000 results, and searching for "multitrack AND >loop" gives 179 with no obvious titles relating to our subject. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 16:33:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8D23BF08; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:32:56 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C66BA@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looperlative Too Expensive? thread-index: AcYltkuJVUQ1p2IRRd2XtNA4H35Y/wABEMkQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com]=20 > Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where I might find the patent > info? Mr. Perille was kind enough to send me this URL: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=3DPTO2&Sect2=3DHITOFF&p=3D= 1&u =3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=3D1&f=3DG&l=3D50&co1=3DAND&d=3D= PG01&s1=3Dper ille.IN.&OS=3DIN/perille&RS=3DIN/perille It was difficult to determine exactly what this covers from a quick reading, but it seems to be mostly related to the concept of time stretching in order to make loops of different length play in the same tempo. Basically what Acid, Ableton, and all the other "loop assembly" tools do, and I guess the Repeater. But there are also some words in there that suggest it covers the concept of "pre-defined recording time" so that you can record several audio fragments of exactly the same size. This in theory covers brother sync, Tempo Select, and Sync=3DIn/Quantize=3DCycle on the EDP, = and every digital audio sequencer ever made. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 17:23:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70453BF05; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017201c625c1$ecb35790$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <43DDE97E.2090408@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:15:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:23:46 +0000 (UTC) > mark sottilaro wrote: >> Very good point Per. When was the last time you >> bought a laptop or software and had the developer >> respond personally to a question posted to a list? NEVER. That is surely >> worth something. > I've had lots of developers respond to my questions. Tuareg, Sonar, Mobius, lots of VST developers, Steinberg... I do tend to hang on the developer lists though. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 17:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224E43BF05; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "sarth" To: Subject: RE: Mixer for Looping duo Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c625c4$7c445ab0$0301000a@domain.tecsystem.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <1BbBbD.A.S9H.CAl3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) I wouldn't be quick to blame the mixer. Gain staging. That is probably your issue. Or else one of your devices is too noisy. -- Sarth -----Original Message----- From: Louis Rossi [mailto:tarbit@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixer for Looping duo Hi folks, I have an improv duo which is touch gtr & voice. We have been using a eurorack to share a looper but we've had some noise problems. Can someone suggest an alternate mixer please? It's simple setup: Channel 1: vocal mic into multi effects Channel 2: gtr, pedals, (need to find a good DI with speaker simulator too) Channel 3: EDP (from efx send 1) (we might throw a lexicon reverb in efx 2 in the near future but we like spareness right now) Thanks Lou >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Looperlative Too Expensive? >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:01:50 -0500 > > > > I'm curious to know how some of these multi-track looper > > products (both > > hardware and software) and their respective developers are > > dealing with > > those patents. Are they making specific design choices to > > avoid infringing > > the patents? Are they licensing the technology from the > > original inventor? > > Or are they unaware of the patents and just running blind > > into a big problem? > > > > My guess is the latter... > > > >Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where I might find the patent >info? Searching that patent office for "Perille" yields nothing, searching >for "Loop" yields over 300,000 results, and searching for "multitrack AND >loop" gives 179 with no obvious titles relating to our subject. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 18:23:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21EBB3BEE6; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KpI7hCdOV1jt4xz80WeytyWQs+gxnfojhDWYo0w7bvHvxj7eezhK1OSwbaPjmFKy2b3eHKN89efMMCbwg/sdwT1jtJsaVpD0aMZGyG+ojzlRQG5FVP/9jZHkKEVIQOoimZMu0PRsnwE/GfYpmjJOfVQ6b3eiySXdFoGcZRM2GBI= ; Message-ID: <20060130182308.95538.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:23:08 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Patent law To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C66BA@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a protection of an idea's implementation and not an idea? Like for instance I couldn't patent "car break" but I could patent a new technology I developed to break a car... So if the Repeater (or any Looper) implemented time stretching of audio USING someone else's circuit design and code, they'd be in trouble. However if they developed a new way of doing it, they're in the clear. I have to think it's got to be like this or how could Microsoft make Windows... or Apple make it's OS after looking at Zerox's computer GUI? You can't patent "clicking on an icon brings up a graphical representation of a window" but you can patent the code you use to implement it. Am I totally off here? Mark --- jeff larson wrote: > > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > > Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where > I might find the > patent > > info? > > Mr. Perille was kind enough to send me this URL: > > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u > =%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=per > ille.IN.&OS=IN/perille&RS=IN/perille __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 18:24:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD47A3BF02; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OV+V5mlw/dWgm9VNRAn+2EkEaJIFbouPLONgdN2vzplN8RGAXZiW3MYeFwYMcEgK3t+uLIMheqinulzs1V48s5AGQAcyTaNnjNqzrKFzlyrMG+IOLbKWQKylag9Q1w78JUsY5KFHt1AmHLJUW4x9ensV6YPUZRzMIwMRAB9sOks= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601301024n515dc392p9bc12c5787d3c2c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:24:04 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:24:05 +0000 (UTC) On 1/29/06, Kevin wrote: > > >Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>>If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate > >>>like Behringer moving in. > >>the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that > >>Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do > >>without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a > >>clone...) > > Allow me to correct a possible misperception here about intellectual > property (IP) law. Patents protect ideas, copyright protects the > expression of those ideas. I can copy an idea if there is no patent > protecting it. Copyright does not protect ideas. If I rip a copy of > the firmware from a product and then put that in my product I am > violating copyright or possibly the product license. A product > license is a contract between the seller and the buyer. > > So provided that the ideas in the EDP were not protected by patent, > Behringer could copy all the ideas, except possibly the user > interface. Under US patent law, if an idea hasn't been patented > within a year of the idea being made publicly available, then it > can't be patented. I'm well aware of all this... but I don't see why this is relevant to my argument. As I said, if Behringer copied the Looperlative's software, it would be a copyright violation. There isn't much preventing them from copying the hardware except conceivably patents. -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 18:55:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1DC3BF02; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060130135520.4vhqh0nvk740ssgo@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:55:20 -0500 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Patent law References: <20060130182308.95538.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060130182308.95538.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-JnsmD.A.lSF.bEm3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:55:23 +0000 (UTC) In general you are correct Mark. There are exceptions. If no one had thought of clicking on an icon to bring up a window, then yes, that could be patentable given the proper circumstances. In fact, one could patent what the window looked like if it had a specific design (but if another window comes ut with a minor tweak you're SOL) Also, you COULD, theoretically use someone else's code to do something provided it wasn't patented, but it depends on how you use it. It also depends what "Car Break" means. Ultimately it does need to be tied into the means of implementing it as well, in some way shape or form. ~peace~ Michael Quoting mark sottilaro : > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a > protection of an idea's implementation and not an > idea? Like for instance I couldn't patent "car break" > but I could patent a new technology I developed to > break a car... So if the Repeater (or any Looper) > implemented time stretching of audio USING someone > else's circuit design and code, they'd be in trouble. > However if they developed a new way of doing it, > they're in the clear. I have to think it's got to be > like this or how could Microsoft make Windows... or > Apple make it's OS after looking at Zerox's computer > GUI? You can't patent "clicking on an icon brings up > a graphical representation of a window" but you can > patent the code you use to implement it. Am I totally > off here? > > Mark > > --- jeff larson wrote: > >> >> From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] >> > Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where >> I might find the >> patent >> > info? >> >> Mr. Perille was kind enough to send me this URL: >> >> > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u >> > =%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=per >> ille.IN.&OS=IN/perille&RS=IN/perille > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:00:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259093BF0C; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l3WX8uCwnp/LuGUFPv35LVwMVcPyZEqjUN+W+TdBejVcX9NaIXBdcpP2jdENUKkAiFnKrwfpcjktzd+I0bPb0Pj8cjzDRxDJfpD8c38C5Czgy9K3s/fR+9wfdFuM/8iwpeqqtCqsxfV/pJYNK/gcSqjKTqQU2NuLTHSx6H0gsTM= ; Message-ID: <20060130185959.52985.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Rickmond C. Wong" Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: splitting your guitar signal - mixer routing or ...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060130182308.95538.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers! just wondering what is your preferred method/routing for splitting your guitar signal into 2 EDPs (or looperlative or any other stereo sourcein the future hehe). some have mentioned using a mixer, but what sort of routing do you guys do? do you use a DI box in front of the mixer? currently i'm using: guitar into a radial passive DI box, XLR outs into a mackie board. just figuring this out - do you put that to your aux-sends and then into your EDP? or some other way? what would be the best way to do it with the strongest signal/least degradation? or do you use some other sort of di box/splitter or even a simple y patch cord? thanks in advance if you happen to have any suggestions! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DB703BEF8; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <079301c625af$27aa1400$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:23:51 +0000 (UTC) The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink hardrive recorder on ebay as well. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances, many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the unit, but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a memory card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't have that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the material to redbook CD-R on the unit. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8140F3BEE2; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nO1a4I858cqUuyS0CZz9cTjTS36t5WbYCDE9HIAONC5HjU7OzzT/Hw9rjzsvorHrXVpQYF9ZmQRDb54G6gqYGWGTn0i/yL7bpJQPrVywVPmMRPsw8JLIzLOcladMiiIdzN1X/FQu+KVgR0qP5jWPTIErqSGGeXgkItrxRVh+kQQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601301135i237cf6e4n8b032128c741118c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:35:53 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <079301c625af$27aa1400$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on order. I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: coax digital input and s= ize. On 1/30/06, William Walker wrote: > The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in > non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink > hardrive recorder on ebay as well. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7386494367&rd=3D1&ss= pagenam > e=3DSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=3D1 > > This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances= , > many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the uni= t, > but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable > solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a memo= ry > card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't hav= e > that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the > material to redbook CD-R on the unit. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 19:51:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1763E3BF08; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:54:28 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: rcw@midwickhill.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: splitting your guitar signal - mixer routing or ...? Message-ID: <36D4A67363E434994E89C039@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: <20060130185959.52985.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060130185959.52985.qmail@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Personally, I run my bass into a Lexicon MPX G2 and then take the stereo output from that. However, there is nothing wrong with splitting an active signal with a Y-cable. This means that you need to first run your guitar into either a preamp or DI, then you can use a simple Y-cable to split the signal. If you attempt to split the output of a passive instrument using a Y-cable, you make like the sound or you may not because the sound out of a guitar is dependent on the load placed on it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:03:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D209E3BF0A; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <084901c625d8$4a72d0c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:03:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=222649, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:03:55 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" billwalker@baymoon.com > The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in > non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. > Bill Must be one of these three: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=109 The R1 only offers 137 minutes of recording, and it doesn't appear to support a memory card of any sort for swappping them out and archival. The CD-2 is too damn big, and I don't need a CD-R burner. The R-09 looks cool, but it doesn't appear to have XLR input...what a drag. Plus I don't need effects on a unit. I just need high quality recordings to a removeable media, in wav format, so I can get to my PC and edit/master with Wavelab. I think the Marantz is going to work better for me at this stage: http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro It also has Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input and output on cinch/rca, plus records on WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3. And I like hte compact flash option. I can get a few gig of those and be set.....has phantom power, USB for file transfer, etc, etc. Specs/Description: PMD670 Professional Solid State Recorder The Marantz Professional PMD670 is our second generation solid state recorder, recording audio directly as files to Compact Flash or Microdrive storage formats, which can then be inserted directly into a computer for editing and distribution. Building on the worldwide success of our first generation recorders, we have optimized and refined our original specification and incorporated a whole range of additional features requested by our user base. FEATURES - Accepts media in Compact Flash or IBM Microdrive up to 10gb ( when available ), allowing over 12 hours total recording time in uncompressed stereo WAV format, and much longer in compressed MP2 or MP3. - Records as WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3 - Switcheable bitrate ( 16 - 384 kbps ) and sampling frequency ( 48, 44.1, 32, 24, 22.05, 16khz ) allows the user complete control over file sizes and audio quality. - USB port for direct high speed file transfer and software updating - Large LED screen shows a wide range of recording information - Lockeable covers for setting selectors and media slot, allows pre-setup to leave users free to concentrate on recording without concerning themselves about complex settings. - Improved ergonomics for easier use in the field. - Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input and output on cinch/rca. - Switcheable phantom power ( 48V ) - Automatic and manual recording level control - Microphone filtering and limiter - Mark points during recording and playback - EDL playback modes - Built in condensor microphone and loudspeaker **For additional information about solid state recording and our recommended media please see the FAQ section** **For users of Windows 98 - if you experience problems with your USB connection please install the updated driver from our downloads page** **For a higher resolution product sheet for the PMD670 please see the downloads section ( 1.5MB download )** European language user guides in pdf format are available to download from the main product downloads section. Kris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink > hardrive recorder on ebay as well. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances, > many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the > unit, > but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable > solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a > memory > card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't have > that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the > material to redbook CD-R on the unit. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:07:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 221FD3BF15; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <084e01c625d8$cf0ae840$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <079301c625af$27aa1400$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <26ba8d120601301135i237cf6e4n8b032128c741118c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:07:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 121, in=73457, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on order. > I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: coax digital input and > size. Is this it? http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=MMICROTRK But no XLR input. Damn. What a shame. I record all my live material off the XLR, ballanced output of my board. If I wanted to record to 8th inch, I'll just bring my notebook and short circuit the whole file transfer process. Looks like the Marantz is the one for me....looking really good to me relative to these other options. Kris On 1/30/06, William Walker wrote: > The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in > non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink > hardrive recorder on ebay as well. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances, > many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the > unit, > but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable > solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a > memory > card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't have > that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the > material to redbook CD-R on the unit. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:08:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039643BF1A; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:08:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <084901c625d8$4a72d0c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9VjNYD.A.LhB.oIn3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:08:08 +0000 (UTC) No, I meant the CD2, How big is too big, this thing is not much bigger than the R1, has preamps and would allow you to do everything you want to do and more, Its half the size of your masterlink, about the same size as a standard marantz recorder. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" billwalker@baymoon.com > The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in > non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. > Bill Must be one of these three: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=109 The R1 only offers 137 minutes of recording, and it doesn't appear to support a memory card of any sort for swappping them out and archival. The CD-2 is too damn big, and I don't need a CD-R burner. The R-09 looks cool, but it doesn't appear to have XLR input...what a drag. Plus I don't need effects on a unit. I just need high quality recordings to a removeable media, in wav format, so I can get to my PC and edit/master with Wavelab. I think the Marantz is going to work better for me at this stage: http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro It also has Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input and output on cinch/rca, plus records on WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3. And I like hte compact flash option. I can get a few gig of those and be set.....has phantom power, USB for file transfer, etc, etc. Specs/Description: PMD670 Professional Solid State Recorder The Marantz Professional PMD670 is our second generation solid state recorder, recording audio directly as files to Compact Flash or Microdrive storage formats, which can then be inserted directly into a computer for editing and distribution. Building on the worldwide success of our first generation recorders, we have optimized and refined our original specification and incorporated a whole range of additional features requested by our user base. FEATURES - Accepts media in Compact Flash or IBM Microdrive up to 10gb ( when available ), allowing over 12 hours total recording time in uncompressed stereo WAV format, and much longer in compressed MP2 or MP3. - Records as WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3 - Switcheable bitrate ( 16 - 384 kbps ) and sampling frequency ( 48, 44.1, 32, 24, 22.05, 16khz ) allows the user complete control over file sizes and audio quality. - USB port for direct high speed file transfer and software updating - Large LED screen shows a wide range of recording information - Lockeable covers for setting selectors and media slot, allows pre-setup to leave users free to concentrate on recording without concerning themselves about complex settings. - Improved ergonomics for easier use in the field. - Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input and output on cinch/rca. - Switcheable phantom power ( 48V ) - Automatic and manual recording level control - Microphone filtering and limiter - Mark points during recording and playback - EDL playback modes - Built in condensor microphone and loudspeaker **For additional information about solid state recording and our recommended media please see the FAQ section** **For users of Windows 98 - if you experience problems with your USB connection please install the updated driver from our downloads page** **For a higher resolution product sheet for the PMD670 please see the downloads section ( 1.5MB download )** European language user guides in pdf format are available to download from the main product downloads section. Kris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink > hardrive recorder on ebay as well. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances, > many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the > unit, > but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable > solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a > memory > card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't have > that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the > material to redbook CD-R on the unit. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:10:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 860C03BF25; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:10:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Thread-Index: AcYl2UHggFTpH5HMEdqN1QAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <084901c625d8$4a72d0c0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget the pdm671 as well...may be overkill though... T. On 1/30/06 3:03 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" billwalker@baymoon.com >=20 >> The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, i= n >> non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well= . >> Bill >=20 > Must be one of these three: >=20 > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=3D109 >=20 > The R1 only offers 137 minutes of recording, and it doesn't appear to > support a memory card of any sort for swappping them out and archival. Th= e > CD-2 is too damn big, and I don't need a CD-R burner. The R-09 looks coo= l, > but it doesn't appear to have XLR input...what a drag. Plus I don't need > effects on a unit. I just need high quality recordings to a removeable > media, in wav format, so I can get to my PC and edit/master with Wavelab. >=20 > I think the Marantz is going to work better for me at this stage: > http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=3D2418&cont=3De&line=3Dprd&cat=3Dpro >=20 > It also has Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced l= ine > input and output on cinch/rca, plus records on WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 o= r > MP3. And I like hte compact flash option. I can get a few gig of those an= d > be set.....has phantom power, USB for file transfer, etc, etc. >=20 > Specs/Description: >=20 > PMD670 > Professional Solid State Recorder > The Marantz Professional PMD670 is our second generation solid state > recorder, recording audio directly as files to Compact Flash or Microdriv= e > storage formats, which can then be inserted directly into a computer for > editing and distribution. Building on the worldwide success of our first > generation recorders, we have optimized and refined our original > specification and incorporated a whole range of additional features > requested by our user base. >=20 > FEATURES > - Accepts media in Compact Flash or IBM Microdrive up to 10gb ( when > available ), allowing over 12 hours total recording time in uncompressed > stereo WAV format, and much longer in compressed MP2 or MP3. > - Records as WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3 > - Switcheable bitrate ( 16 - 384 kbps ) and sampling frequency ( 48, 44.1= , > 32, 24, 22.05, 16khz ) allows the user complete control over file sizes a= nd > audio quality. > - USB port for direct high speed file transfer and software updating > - Large LED screen shows a wide range of recording information > - Lockeable covers for setting selectors and media slot, allows pre-setup= to > leave users free to concentrate on recording without concerning themselve= s > about complex settings. > - Improved ergonomics for easier use in the field. > - Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input = and > output on cinch/rca. > - Switcheable phantom power ( 48V ) > - Automatic and manual recording level control > - Microphone filtering and limiter > - Mark points during recording and playback > - EDL playback modes > - Built in condensor microphone and loudspeaker >=20 > **For additional information about solid state recording and our recommen= ded > media please see the FAQ section** > **For users of Windows 98 - if you experience problems with your USB > connection please install the updated driver from our downloads page** > **For a higher resolution product sheet for the PMD670 please see the > downloads section ( 1.5MB download )** >=20 > European language user guides in pdf format are available to download fro= m > the main =19product downloads=19 section. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay >>=20 >>=20 >> Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink >> hardrive recorder on ebay as well. >>=20 >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7386494367&rd=3D1&sspag= enam >> e=3DSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=3D1 >>=20 >> This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performance= s, >> many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the >> unit, >> but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portabl= e >> solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a >> memory >> card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't ha= ve >> that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the >> material to redbook CD-R on the unit. >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ************************************************* >> Krispen Hartung >> Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >> Performance Calendar: >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Hartu= ng >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5421D3BF1C; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <086701c625da$f10c4810$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:22:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 121, in=73475, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:22:53 +0000 (UTC) It probably isn't much bigger than the Marantz, but it looks more like a table-top solution than a portable solution you can put in its case and throw over your shoulder. It has the XLR inputs and the compact flash media, which are probably of the top five features I'm looking for. I guess the main thing I don't like is all the other stuff it has that I don't reall want..the effects, the burner, pitch contoller, all the bells and whistles marketing it as an educational tool, rather than just a plain and simple digital recorder. Dimensions of the portable Marantz: a.. Width............................................................ 10.4 in. (264 mm) a.. Height.................................................................. 2 in. (55 mm) a.. Depth.............................................................. 7.3 in. (185 mm) a.. Weight....................................................... 2 lbs. 14 oz.(1.3 Kg) Roland CD2 dimensions: Dimensions W x D x H: 12 x 9-11/16 x 2-15/16 in. (not much bigger) The Roland is about $695, the Marantz is roughly the same. This page has these two and a few more for comparison: http://www.janetdavismusic.com/digitalrec.html Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > No, I meant the CD2, How big is too big, this thing is not much bigger > than > the R1, has preamps and would allow you to do everything you want to do > and > more, Its half the size of your masterlink, about the same size as a > standard marantz recorder. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" billwalker@baymoon.com > >> The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in >> non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. >> Bill > > Must be one of these three: > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=109 > > The R1 only offers 137 minutes of recording, and it doesn't appear to > support a memory card of any sort for swappping them out and archival. The > CD-2 is too damn big, and I don't need a CD-R burner. The R-09 looks > cool, > but it doesn't appear to have XLR input...what a drag. Plus I don't need > effects on a unit. I just need high quality recordings to a removeable > media, in wav format, so I can get to my PC and edit/master with Wavelab. > > I think the Marantz is going to work better for me at this stage: > http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro > > It also has Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced > line > input and output on cinch/rca, plus records on WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or > MP3. And I like hte compact flash option. I can get a few gig of those and > be set.....has phantom power, USB for file transfer, etc, etc. > > Specs/Description: > > PMD670 > Professional Solid State Recorder > The Marantz Professional PMD670 is our second generation solid state > recorder, recording audio directly as files to Compact Flash or Microdrive > storage formats, which can then be inserted directly into a computer for > editing and distribution. Building on the worldwide success of our first > generation recorders, we have optimized and refined our original > specification and incorporated a whole range of additional features > requested by our user base. > > FEATURES > - Accepts media in Compact Flash or IBM Microdrive up to 10gb ( when > available ), allowing over 12 hours total recording time in uncompressed > stereo WAV format, and much longer in compressed MP2 or MP3. > - Records as WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3 > - Switcheable bitrate ( 16 - 384 kbps ) and sampling frequency ( 48, 44.1, > 32, 24, 22.05, 16khz ) allows the user complete control over file sizes > and > audio quality. > - USB port for direct high speed file transfer and software updating > - Large LED screen shows a wide range of recording information > - Lockeable covers for setting selectors and media slot, allows pre-setup > to > leave users free to concentrate on recording without concerning themselves > about complex settings. > - Improved ergonomics for easier use in the field. > - Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input > and > output on cinch/rca. > - Switcheable phantom power ( 48V ) > - Automatic and manual recording level control > - Microphone filtering and limiter > - Mark points during recording and playback > - EDL playback modes > - Built in condensor microphone and loudspeaker > > **For additional information about solid state recording and our > recommended > media please see the FAQ section** > **For users of Windows 98 - if you experience problems with your USB > connection please install the updated driver from our downloads page** > **For a higher resolution product sheet for the PMD670 please see the > downloads section ( 1.5MB download )** > > European language user guides in pdf format are available to download from > the main product downloads section. > > > > Kris > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay >> >> >> Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink >> hardrive recorder on ebay as well. >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam >> e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 >> >> This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 >> performances, >> many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the >> unit, >> but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable >> solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a >> memory >> card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't >> have >> that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the >> material to redbook CD-R on the unit. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Krispen Hartung >> Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >> Performance Calendar: >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045373BF28; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:27:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <086701c625da$f10c4810$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Not true, I believe they have a gig bag for it, and I bet that you would find uses for both the CD burner and the modeling tools at some point. For me, I could see using at a gig and then burning a few copies to sell people at the end of the evening. Talk about instant gratification for an audience member? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay It probably isn't much bigger than the Marantz, but it looks more like a table-top solution than a portable solution you can put in its case and throw over your shoulder. It has the XLR inputs and the compact flash media, which are probably of the top five features I'm looking for. I guess the main thing I don't like is all the other stuff it has that I don't reall want..the effects, the burner, pitch contoller, all the bells and whistles marketing it as an educational tool, rather than just a plain and simple digital recorder. Dimensions of the portable Marantz: a.. Width............................................................ 10.4 in. (264 mm) a.. Height.................................................................. 2 in. (55 mm) a.. Depth.............................................................. 7.3 in. (185 mm) a.. Weight....................................................... 2 lbs. 14 oz.(1.3 Kg) Roland CD2 dimensions: Dimensions W x D x H: 12 x 9-11/16 x 2-15/16 in. (not much bigger) The Roland is about $695, the Marantz is roughly the same. This page has these two and a few more for comparison: http://www.janetdavismusic.com/digitalrec.html Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > No, I meant the CD2, How big is too big, this thing is not much bigger > than > the R1, has preamps and would allow you to do everything you want to do > and > more, Its half the size of your masterlink, about the same size as a > standard marantz recorder. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" billwalker@baymoon.com > >> The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in >> non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. >> Bill > > Must be one of these three: > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=109 > > The R1 only offers 137 minutes of recording, and it doesn't appear to > support a memory card of any sort for swappping them out and archival. The > CD-2 is too damn big, and I don't need a CD-R burner. The R-09 looks > cool, > but it doesn't appear to have XLR input...what a drag. Plus I don't need > effects on a unit. I just need high quality recordings to a removeable > media, in wav format, so I can get to my PC and edit/master with Wavelab. > > I think the Marantz is going to work better for me at this stage: > http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro > > It also has Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced > line > input and output on cinch/rca, plus records on WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or > MP3. And I like hte compact flash option. I can get a few gig of those and > be set.....has phantom power, USB for file transfer, etc, etc. > > Specs/Description: > > PMD670 > Professional Solid State Recorder > The Marantz Professional PMD670 is our second generation solid state > recorder, recording audio directly as files to Compact Flash or Microdrive > storage formats, which can then be inserted directly into a computer for > editing and distribution. Building on the worldwide success of our first > generation recorders, we have optimized and refined our original > specification and incorporated a whole range of additional features > requested by our user base. > > FEATURES > - Accepts media in Compact Flash or IBM Microdrive up to 10gb ( when > available ), allowing over 12 hours total recording time in uncompressed > stereo WAV format, and much longer in compressed MP2 or MP3. > - Records as WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3 > - Switcheable bitrate ( 16 - 384 kbps ) and sampling frequency ( 48, 44.1, > 32, 24, 22.05, 16khz ) allows the user complete control over file sizes > and > audio quality. > - USB port for direct high speed file transfer and software updating > - Large LED screen shows a wide range of recording information > - Lockeable covers for setting selectors and media slot, allows pre-setup > to > leave users free to concentrate on recording without concerning themselves > about complex settings. > - Improved ergonomics for easier use in the field. > - Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input > and > output on cinch/rca. > - Switcheable phantom power ( 48V ) > - Automatic and manual recording level control > - Microphone filtering and limiter > - Mark points during recording and playback > - EDL playback modes > - Built in condensor microphone and loudspeaker > > **For additional information about solid state recording and our > recommended > media please see the FAQ section** > **For users of Windows 98 - if you experience problems with your USB > connection please install the updated driver from our downloads page** > **For a higher resolution product sheet for the PMD670 please see the > downloads section ( 1.5MB download )** > > European language user guides in pdf format are available to download from > the main product downloads section. > > > > Kris > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay >> >> >> Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink >> hardrive recorder on ebay as well. >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam >> e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 >> >> This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 >> performances, >> many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the >> unit, >> but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable >> solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a >> memory >> card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't >> have >> that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the >> material to redbook CD-R on the unit. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Krispen Hartung >> Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >> Performance Calendar: >> http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:31:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8153BF10; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <087601c625dc$29cb25d0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:31:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 121, in=73492, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Fair enough. I'll get back on the sites later and do a more thorough analysis of the features to make my final decision. k- ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > Not true, I believe they have a gig bag for it, and I bet that you would > find uses for both the CD burner and the modeling tools at some point. For > me, I could see using at a gig and then burning a few copies to sell > people > at the end of the evening. Talk about instant gratification for an > audience > member? > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > It probably isn't much bigger than the Marantz, but it looks more like a > table-top solution than a portable solution you can put in its case and > throw over your shoulder. It has the XLR inputs and the compact flash > media, > which are probably of the top five features I'm looking for. I guess the > main thing I don't like is all the other stuff it has that I don't reall > want..the effects, the burner, pitch contoller, all the bells and whistles > marketing it as an educational tool, rather than just a plain and simple > digital recorder. > > Dimensions of the portable Marantz: > > a.. Width............................................................ 10.4 > in. (264 mm) > a.. > Height.................................................................. > 2 in. (55 mm) > a.. Depth.............................................................. > 7.3 > in. (185 mm) > a.. Weight....................................................... 2 lbs. > 14 > oz.(1.3 Kg) > > Roland CD2 dimensions: > > Dimensions W x D x H: 12 x 9-11/16 x 2-15/16 in. (not much bigger) > > The Roland is about $695, the Marantz is roughly the same. > > This page has these two and a few more for comparison: > http://www.janetdavismusic.com/digitalrec.html > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:08 PM > Subject: RE: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > >> No, I meant the CD2, How big is too big, this thing is not much bigger >> than >> the R1, has preamps and would allow you to do everything you want to do >> and >> more, Its half the size of your masterlink, about the same size as a >> standard marantz recorder. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:04 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "William Walker" billwalker@baymoon.com >> >>> The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, >>> in >>> non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as >>> well. >>> Bill >> >> Must be one of these three: >> >> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=109 >> >> The R1 only offers 137 minutes of recording, and it doesn't appear to >> support a memory card of any sort for swappping them out and archival. >> The >> CD-2 is too damn big, and I don't need a CD-R burner. The R-09 looks >> cool, >> but it doesn't appear to have XLR input...what a drag. Plus I don't need >> effects on a unit. I just need high quality recordings to a removeable >> media, in wav format, so I can get to my PC and edit/master with Wavelab. >> >> I think the Marantz is going to work better for me at this stage: >> http://www.marantz.com/p_product.cfm?id=2418&cont=e&line=prd&cat=pro >> >> It also has Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced >> line >> input and output on cinch/rca, plus records on WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 >> or >> MP3. And I like hte compact flash option. I can get a few gig of those >> and >> be set.....has phantom power, USB for file transfer, etc, etc. >> >> Specs/Description: >> >> PMD670 >> Professional Solid State Recorder >> The Marantz Professional PMD670 is our second generation solid state >> recorder, recording audio directly as files to Compact Flash or >> Microdrive >> storage formats, which can then be inserted directly into a computer for >> editing and distribution. Building on the worldwide success of our first >> generation recorders, we have optimized and refined our original >> specification and incorporated a whole range of additional features >> requested by our user base. >> >> FEATURES >> - Accepts media in Compact Flash or IBM Microdrive up to 10gb ( when >> available ), allowing over 12 hours total recording time in uncompressed >> stereo WAV format, and much longer in compressed MP2 or MP3. >> - Records as WAV, Broadcast Wave, MP2 or MP3 >> - Switcheable bitrate ( 16 - 384 kbps ) and sampling frequency ( 48, >> 44.1, >> 32, 24, 22.05, 16khz ) allows the user complete control over file sizes >> and >> audio quality. >> - USB port for direct high speed file transfer and software updating >> - Large LED screen shows a wide range of recording information >> - Lockeable covers for setting selectors and media slot, allows pre-setup >> to >> leave users free to concentrate on recording without concerning >> themselves >> about complex settings. >> - Improved ergonomics for easier use in the field. >> - Digital input and output, XLR microphone inputs, unbalanced line input >> and >> output on cinch/rca. >> - Switcheable phantom power ( 48V ) >> - Automatic and manual recording level control >> - Microphone filtering and limiter >> - Mark points during recording and playback >> - EDL playback modes >> - Built in condensor microphone and loudspeaker >> >> **For additional information about solid state recording and our >> recommended >> media please see the FAQ section** >> **For users of Windows 98 - if you experience problems with your USB >> connection please install the updated driver from our downloads page** >> **For a higher resolution product sheet for the PMD670 please see the >> downloads section ( 1.5MB download )** >> >> European language user guides in pdf format are available to download >> from >> the main product downloads section. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay >>> >>> >>> Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink >>> hardrive recorder on ebay as well. >>> >>> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam >>> e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 >>> >>> This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 >>> performances, >>> many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the >>> unit, >>> but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz >>> portable >>> solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a >>> memory >>> card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't >>> have >>> that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the >>> material to redbook CD-R on the unit. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************************* >>> Krispen Hartung >>> Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com >>> info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >>> Performance Calendar: >>> > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung >>> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >>> Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 20:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BECD43BF12; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1138653352!39686617!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D5D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:35:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C625DC.C1FB69F0" Resent-Message-ID: <8qFd_C.A.qaC.rin3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:35:55 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C625DC.C1FB69F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I know this will seem old hat to a lot of Repeater users.... Having my loop go in and out of record at various points with no prompting from me... Setting it to pitch shift at points was crazy! << aye, mark, it is fun. I accidentally put my repeater on the same channel as the remote control messages for one of our maq sequencers once, & started pitch-shifting stuff unintentionally. in untangling this, I discovered that the repeater had been "eavesdropping" unnoticed & that it had filled up quite nicely with bits of what we were doing on the other gear. it was like having that same semi-savant of an earlier post in the rehearsal room dicking about with a memo-recorder. top. reminds me- no-one responded to my general enquiry as to what, if anything, folks have done with any odds & sods that are leftover on their repeater memory cards after a number of sessions. c'mon, I thought it was a good question.... anyone? duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C625DC.C1FB69F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this = before?)

>>I know this will seem old hat to a lot of = Repeater users.... Having my loop go in and out of record at various = points with no prompting from me... Setting it to pitch shift at points = was crazy! <<

aye, mark, it is fun. I accidentally put my repeater = on the same channel as the remote control messages for one of our maq = sequencers once, & started pitch-shifting stuff unintentionally. in = untangling this, I discovered that the repeater had been = "eavesdropping" unnoticed & that it had filled up quite = nicely with bits of what we were doing on the other gear.

it was like having that same semi-savant of an = earlier post in the rehearsal room dicking about with a memo-recorder. = top.

reminds me- no-one responded to my general enquiry as = to what, if anything, folks have done with any odds & sods that are = leftover on their repeater memory cards after a number of sessions. = c'mon, I thought it was a good question.... anyone?

duncan.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C625DC.C1FB69F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6B73BEE6; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Patent law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:07:36 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C66F1@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Patent law thread-index: AcYlyjpkhtpVgHijQECiE1WxThFClwAFlbyg From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:07:37 +0000 (UTC) From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a > protection of an idea's implementation and not an > idea? =20 Yes, that was the original intent of the patent system. The problem is that there is now widespread abuse of the system, especially in software, to patent concepts or ideas rather than implementations or processes. Hell, back in the internet glory days people were even patenting *business models*, like the concept of an online auction for plane tickets which someone thought they should "own" for the next 30 years. A great number of these patents are invalid because the inventions would be "obvious to practitioners in the field" or there is "prior art" that someone has already come up with that invention. But this doesn't matter because in order to prove either of these you have to enter into a very costly legal battle. Individuals and small companies generally just give up and make annoying changes or go out of business. This is a very important issue not only for software developers, but for consumers that want choices. If you want some background, a good general introduction is James Gleick's article originally published in the New York Times Magazine: http://www.around.com/patent.html For more of a scientific perspective, Jeffrey Ullman has an excellent paper here: http://www-db.stanford.edu/~ullman/pub/focs00.html Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C32B3BF04; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1138654964.43de7ef416675@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:02:44 -0300 From: arzezak@uces.edu.ar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 24.232.57.127 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Ted, thanks so much to you for your words. Its so nice to have a community lik= e this to share our works. I am posting as i play them! I am trying looping meto= dicly (i dont know how to spell that, hope you understand). Say like, two or th= ree improvs per day and those i like i post them. I will sure keep you all up= dated. Again, so much thanks.. Very best to you, Ariel. Mensaje citado por tEd =AE kiLLiAn : > Ariel, > > I am still listening to the pieces you posted on the web (I think I'm > on about the 4th or > 5th track now) but I am liking what I am hearing so far. Really > interesting musical ideas > and a nice guitar tone too (very clean recording). Fun use of looping > effects too . . . a lot of > changing and tweaking of the loops (making full use of the DL-4). Good > work. Post some more! > > Best Regards, > > Ted Killian > 1811 Patrick Street > Medford Oregon, 97504 > Tele: 541.608.7143 > Cell: 541.890.6225 > On Jan 29, 2006, at 4:07 PM, arzezak@uces.edu.ar wrote: > > > I dont post much on the list but when i do.. i mix people!! (Again, > > sorry on > > that one William). I wanted to invite you all to hear my first attemp= s > > on > > looping (just a few months now). I am using an Ovation Legend acousti= c > > into the > > Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible electric guitar). > > > > I will thank feedback, advice, tips and donations. There's not too > > much people > > looping here (Argentina) so.. you know, it's great to feel connected > > to you > > all. > > > > That was it, > > best wishes and lots of thanks, > > > > Ariel Rzezak > > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ > > or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=3D454726 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900A63BF04; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <1138654964.43de7ef416675@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> <1138654964.43de7ef416675@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <717F8682-5BEF-40C7-9B5B-FD75B6348727@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:34:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:34:48 +0000 (UTC) arzezak@uces.edu.ar wrote: >>> I wanted to invite you all to hear my first attemps >>> on >>> looping (just a few months now). I am using an Ovation Legend >>> acoustic >>> into the >>> Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible electric guitar). >>> >>> Ariel Rzezak >>> Buenos Aires, Argentina >>> http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ >>> or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=454726 Nice music, Ariel! I like your taste for sparse playing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 604DB3BEE2; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nigigi+EoOaCuSd+BJFZRkavurVRZRg8aZkYvf81ZGamtH+sAWFW0mURVkbRKPAokMDps3UXS3jxuoqEQsxh5CTNBGLJjzRktzzhwYJG8GsoQftPU7WcHd2QQ9fSn8eg1QEdKWwWUOhKl75tf8YswCatDtuxiMZC/gjgUwj3qiY= ; Message-ID: <20060130214208.56079.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Patent law To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C66F1@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Ah intellectual property wars... Thanks for the info, I get it now. I guess it's the same process in which something like Steamboat Willy never enters the public domain. Mark --- jeff larson wrote: > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a > > protection of an idea's implementation and not an > > idea? > > Yes, that was the original intent of the patent > system. The problem > is that there is now widespread abuse of the system, > especially in > software, to patent concepts or ideas rather than > implementations > or processes. Hell, back in the internet glory days > people were > even patenting *business models*, like the concept > of an online > auction for plane tickets which someone thought they > should > "own" for the next 30 years. > > A great number of these patents are invalid because > the inventions > would be "obvious to practitioners in the field" or > there is "prior > art" that someone has already come up with that > invention. But this > doesn't matter because in order to prove either of > these you have to > enter into a very costly legal battle. Individuals > and small companies > generally just give up and make annoying changes or > go out of business. > > This is a very important issue not only for software > developers, but > for consumers that want choices. If you want some > background, a good > general introduction is James Gleick's article > originally published in > the New York Times Magazine: > > http://www.around.com/patent.html > > For more of a scientific perspective, Jeffrey Ullman > has an excellent > paper here: > > > http://www-db.stanford.edu/~ullman/pub/focs00.html > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:43:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0667_01C625A3.2D0B73A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D5D@lon-oxmail02> X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79fff6b269a5d87c50399136bc2f0cd9c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0667_01C625A3.2D0B73A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?)I am seriously thinking of buying a used Repeater. I currently get by with a Boomerang and an RC-20 but I am a bit limited by this setup in ways which I believe a Repeater will address. I've done a lot of reading up on it but I would like to speak to someone who uses a Repeater to get clear on a few things before I jump. If any Repeater owner is willing to have a short conversation with me by phone I would really appreciate it - please drop me an email at your convenience. Thanks. Adrian West adrian@adrianwest.com www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:36 PM To: Subject: RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) >>I know this will seem old hat to a lot of Repeater users.... Having my loop go in and out of record at various points with no prompting from me... Setting it to pitch shift at points was crazy! << aye, mark, it is fun. I accidentally put my repeater on the same channel as the remote control messages for one of our maq sequencers once, & started pitch-shifting stuff unintentionally. in untangling this, I discovered that the repeater had been "eavesdropping" unnoticed & that it had filled up quite nicely with bits of what we were doing on the other gear. it was like having that same semi-savant of an earlier post in the rehearsal room dicking about with a memo-recorder. top. reminds me- no-one responded to my general enquiry as to what, if anything, folks have done with any odds & sods that are leftover on their repeater memory cards after a number of sessions. c'mon, I thought it was a good question.... anyone? duncan. ------=_NextPart_000_0667_01C625A3.2D0B73A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this = before?)
I am seriously = thinking of=20 buying a used Repeater. I currently get by with a Boomerang and an = RC-20=20 but I am a bit limited by this setup in ways which I believe a Repeater = will=20 address. I've done a lot of reading up on it but I would like to speak = to=20 someone who uses a Repeater to get clear on a few things before I = jump. If=20 any Repeater owner is willing to have a short conversation with me by = phone I=20 would really appreciate it - please drop me an email at your = convenience.=20
 
Thanks.
 
Adrian=20 West
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From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com = [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]
Sent:=20 Monday, January 30, 2006 12:36 PM
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Subject: RE: = Repeater=20 with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?)

>>I know this will seem old hat to a lot of = Repeater=20 users.... Having my loop go in and out of record at various points = with no=20 prompting from me... Setting it to pitch shift at points was crazy!=20 <<

aye, mark, it is fun. I accidentally put my repeater = on the=20 same channel as the remote control messages for one of our maq = sequencers=20 once, & started pitch-shifting stuff unintentionally. in = untangling this,=20 I discovered that the repeater had been "eavesdropping" unnoticed = & that=20 it had filled up quite nicely with bits of what we were doing on the = other=20 gear.

it was like having that same semi-savant of an = earlier post in=20 the rehearsal room dicking about with a memo-recorder. top.

reminds me- no-one responded to my general enquiry = as to what,=20 if anything, folks have done with any odds & sods that are = leftover on=20 their repeater memory cards after a number of sessions. c'mon, I = thought it=20 was a good question.... anyone?

duncan.

------=_NextPart_000_0667_01C625A3.2D0B73A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0AD73BEFF; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1138657073.43de8731696bd@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:37:53 -0300 From: arzezak@uces.edu.ar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kind invitation to hear my attemps on looping References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129130414.01b08e20@TheNettles.com> <1138579632.43dd58b018db8@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> <1138654964.43de7ef416675@webmail.campus.uces.edu.ar> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 24.232.57.127 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per! I already said that but i really like your playing too and.. regarding th= e "Recording Looping" topic i usually do what you said. Also, it reminds me= of something an incredible keyboard player told me to aproach something as a "fresh" playing. Start a loop and sing in your head all the musical ideas= that flow with it. Now.. play them without searching the intervals or keys or anything like it. Train yourself to be able to play them on the spot. The= n.. you can aproach as you where saying: To play what's not in the surface. A= nd to be able to discard the superfluous. Again.. thanks! Very best, Ariel. Mensaje citado por Per Boysen : > arzezak@uces.edu.ar wrote: > > >>> I wanted to invite you all to hear my first attemps > >>> on > >>> looping (just a few months now). I am using an Ovation Legend > >>> acoustic > >>> into the > >>> Line6 DL4 and that's all (ocasionally a horrible electric guitar). > >>> > >>> Ariel Rzezak > >>> Buenos Aires, Argentina > >>> http://www.soundclick.com/arielrzezak/ > >>> or http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=3D454726 > > > Nice music, Ariel! I like your taste for sparse playing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:53:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112363BEFA; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MZuNenjiiHZmawRxxv5KpnGGijDe40vcguwvi2X2wtjgepMjK/ILx3nc4VbgE4ykuaZUlcvECF5zFwfcd75nWOyp4oPeVjxxJtqpOC3Pj4laA4XGaEzpK9/IfQjC1uzmRfHxiyD17cD6y1Ac/MCeXJAxyFtTys9LTx8EwbDfFgM= ; Message-ID: <20060130215227.88292.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D5D@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like auto-plunderphonics! FUN! --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > aye, mark, it is fun. I accidentally put my repeater > on the same channel as > the remote control messages for one of our maq > sequencers once, & started > pitch-shifting stuff unintentionally. in untangling > this, I discovered that > the repeater had been "eavesdropping" unnoticed & > that it had filled up > quite nicely with bits of what we were doing on the > other gear. > > it was like having that same semi-savant of an > earlier post in the rehearsal > room dicking about with a memo-recorder. top. > > reminds me- no-one responded to my general enquiry > as to what, if anything, > folks have done with any odds & sods that are > leftover on their repeater > memory cards after a number of sessions. c'mon, I > thought it was a good > question.... anyone? > > duncan. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:55:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDD323BF15; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=urCW6TF5txfhB9yoEDurF6SYk0qzZslcPLN/SgVFVLJ1aL45/08i37t/dAoljHeF77dH7ulo7WIoqUysuVVBCuh2ZEH0j3NOASfrATjFxl63OCdpsBWLpvM9tK9ZxIFpigblt++Ove0lwG3xQBH8BwxaikH5HAyE1KmJ25xsmDA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120601301355w2678a75ei36b6c08ee07a9861@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:55:01 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Patent law In-Reply-To: <20060130214208.56079.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C66F1@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060130214208.56079.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:55:02 +0000 (UTC) heh. That's a whole different system... the patent system is fundamentally b0rked for everyone, whereas the copyright system has been rewritten for the advantage of large companies only. On 1/30/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Ah intellectual property wars... Thanks for the info, > I get it now. I guess it's the same process in which > something like Steamboat Willy never enters the public > domain. > > Mark > > --- jeff larson wrote: > > > From: mark sottilaro > > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a > > > protection of an idea's implementation and not an > > > idea? > > > > Yes, that was the original intent of the patent > > system. The problem > > is that there is now widespread abuse of the system, > > especially in > > software, to patent concepts or ideas rather than > > implementations > > or processes. Hell, back in the internet glory days > > people were > > even patenting *business models*, like the concept > > of an online > > auction for plane tickets which someone thought they > > should > > "own" for the next 30 years. > > > > A great number of these patents are invalid because > > the inventions > > would be "obvious to practitioners in the field" or > > there is "prior > > art" that someone has already come up with that > > invention. But this > > doesn't matter because in order to prove either of > > these you have to > > enter into a very costly legal battle. Individuals > > and small companies > > generally just give up and make annoying changes or > > go out of business. > > > > This is a very important issue not only for software > > developers, but > > for consumers that want choices. If you want some > > background, a good > > general introduction is James Gleick's article > > originally published in > > the New York Times Magazine: > > > > http://www.around.com/patent.html > > > > For more of a scientific perspective, Jeffrey Ullman > > has an excellent > > paper here: > > > > > > http://www-db.stanford.edu/~ullman/pub/focs00.html > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 21:57:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654013BF16; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> Reply-To: "Emmanuel PERILLE" From: "Emmanuel PERILLE" To: References: <20060130182308.95538.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Patent law Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:56:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:57:28 +0000 (UTC) DJRND3 DJ looper Patent Publication Number: 20030171933 at www.uspto.gov ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: Patent law > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a > protection of an idea's implementation and not an > idea? Like for instance I couldn't patent "car break" > but I could patent a new technology I developed to > break a car... So if the Repeater (or any Looper) > implemented time stretching of audio USING someone > else's circuit design and code, they'd be in trouble. > However if they developed a new way of doing it, > they're in the clear. I have to think it's got to be > like this or how could Microsoft make Windows... or > Apple make it's OS after looking at Zerox's computer > GUI? You can't patent "clicking on an icon brings up > a graphical representation of a window" but you can > patent the code you use to implement it. Am I totally > off here? > > Mark > > --- jeff larson wrote: > > > > > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > > > Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where > > I might find the > > patent > > > info? > > > > Mr. Perille was kind enough to send me this URL: > > > > > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u > > > =%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=per > > ille.IN.&OS=IN/perille&RS=IN/perille > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 22:08:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C5793BF12; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q4xHN+jqeiAIDbNEeeofXH8Oe0k0uPPdWl3rkfFXFwshXQOVSXeGOlO+tlMGfLKcDk34x9hTJxcA3o6vYEeJo9JjlFBwivwUiHiKtghExowoaqVOQ69w0nwfdN6VhVhxqdHZKCRlGZOnaQE7rsh67o0ZN7ti8knP02Gl8Rq02nY= ; Message-ID: <20060130220853.89401.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: splitting your guitar signal - mixer routing or ...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <36D4A67363E434994E89C039@[192.168.1.149]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, putting your guitar into some sort of stereo processor is the way to go, you'll get much better results, also when you turn a signal into a line level (as these usually do) you'll be less apt to pick up noise along the way. Mark --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > Personally, I run my bass into a Lexicon MPX G2 and > then take the stereo > output from that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 22:25:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75943BF18; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <237.60402f5.310fec51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:25:21 EST Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <4BxBzB.A.44G.WJp3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:25:26 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 1/30/06 12:07:48 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: << > I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on order. > I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: coax digital input and > size. Is this it? http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=MMICROTRK >> Hi The topic of portable recorders comes up time to time on the Oddmusic list also. Here is a snip of a user review for the Micro: <> >> I thought I saw that Edirol has a new portable out the R15(?) but can't remember where I noticed it, maybe one of the NAMM pages or the MusicThing blogspot. regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 30 23:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874B53BEFA; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08d901c625f4$be335180$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <237.60402f5.310fec51@aol.com> Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:27:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=222898, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9G6_sB.A.XCB.nDq3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:27:35 +0000 (UTC) What did you guys conclude on the Marantz? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > In a message dated 1/30/06 12:07:48 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > > << > I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on order. > > >> I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: coax digital input and > >> size. > > > Is this it? http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=MMICROTRK >> > > > Hi > The topic of portable recorders comes up time to time on the Oddmusic list > also. Here is a snip of a user review for the Micro: > > < first issued. > > I just returned mine. > > 1- It cannot attenuate its mics enough for loud sources. > 2- There are serious battery problems (won't hold a full charge: Sam > Ash has accepted tons back for this reason). > 3- You need to go to their site and download a software pack to make > the controls work correctly. > 4- Actual use is cumbersome -- poor manual and illogical operation > cripple this lightweight right out of the gate. > > M-Audio actually released this unit to the public with these > tremendous flaws. Where's quality control?? and for $400? This unit, if > working, should retail for, maybe, $300 or less. > > The sound was OK. But without digital line outs and finer D/A & A/D > converters, I consider it a (non-working) toy. Maybe the newer release > solves this. I hope so. It is small and lightweight. Fix the price and > problems and it will make a good sketch pad.>> >>> > > I thought I saw that Edirol has a new portable out the R15(?) but can't > remember where I noticed it, maybe one of the NAMM pages or the > MusicThing > blogspot. > > regards > > BobCo > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 00:00:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97A63BF02; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MAejIhK2+XhQq2Jsjdh4Pet+wGxIS1EyfiijA24VheYGY7P7cmmOu6tu26abjQQ6NF3hhv5s8rl6iEHZwxFo9+feAePF0l8P4NgSlVw0egzwPuGWHKgO1V02lxNCvFGHAq4t2yRaVwjD4a5VP04XHE7b9AUIWzgTUDVfImU25BY= ; Message-ID: <20060131000048.985.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Marantz CDR300 for sale- was:Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08d901c625f4$be335180$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:00:49 +0000 (UTC) for what is worth i am selling my portable marantz CDR300,great for field, rehearsal and live recordings,more specs and reviews under: http://www.audaud.com/audaud/DEC03/component/comp3.html price is 500.-eur and its like new with carrying bag included. i am in europe and will ship only within europe. cheers Luis --- Kris Hartung wrote: > What did you guys conclude on the Marantz? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > > > > In a message dated 1/30/06 12:07:48 PM, > khartung@cableone.net writes: > > > > << > I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on > order. > > > > > >> I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: > coax digital input and > > > >> size. > > > > > > Is this it? > http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=MMICROTRK > >> > > > > > > Hi > > The topic of portable recorders comes up time to > time on the Oddmusic list > > also. Here is a snip of a user review for the > Micro: > > > > < loser. At least the > > first issued. > > > > I just returned mine. > > > > 1- It cannot attenuate its mics enough for loud > sources. > > 2- There are serious battery problems (won't hold > a full charge: Sam > > Ash has accepted tons back for this reason). > > 3- You need to go to their site and download a > software pack to make > > the controls work correctly. > > 4- Actual use is cumbersome -- poor manual and > illogical operation > > cripple this lightweight right out of the gate. > > > > M-Audio actually released this unit to the public > with these > > tremendous flaws. Where's quality control?? and > for $400? This unit, if > > working, should retail for, maybe, $300 or less. > > > > The sound was OK. But without digital line outs > and finer D/A & A/D > > converters, I consider it a (non-working) toy. > Maybe the newer release > > solves this. I hope so. It is small and > lightweight. Fix the price and > > problems and it will make a good sketch pad.>> > >>> > > > > I thought I saw that Edirol has a new portable out > the R15(?) but can't > > remember where I noticed it, maybe one of the > NAMM pages or the > > MusicThing > > blogspot. > > > > regards > > > > BobCo > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 00:34:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91FB83BF02; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <209.119a94f3.31100a86@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:34:14 EST Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:34:22 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 1/30/06 3:27:47 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: << What did you guys conclude on the Marantz? >> I don't recall, things get a little blurry as to which list of the many lists and all the posts flying about. :-) I think the Marantz might have been a bit pricey new for what someone was looking for and a bit clunky for portability in terms of field recording (vs. performance capture). Battery is a key issue in the field but perhaps not so important documenting audio in a club or such that has power outlets. Bit depth, uncompressed files and overall durability need to be high on the list for both field and performance work. So many of the low end and mid range recorders seem to tack on bells and whistles such as effects, rhythm loops, scrubbing, punch in/out locators etc. that are compositional tools and unnecessary for audio capture. Be nice to have something lean and powerful that can fit in the back pocket. cheers BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 00:56:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039C13BEDC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:03:36 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: gig spam-Boston To: Message-id: <005201c62602$2adaa4c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2ba1db53.823b47ba.819dd00@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Tom - Sounds cool. I did a show with Club d'ELF. A high point for me. They are a phenomenal outfit. Highly recommended for all Boston area folks. Do you know if is Mark using the EDP I helped secure for him? David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: gig spam-Boston > Thought I'd give a shout to any Boston area loopers out there... > > I'm doing my debut solo looping show this coming Thursday, Feb 2nd, > 8:00-9:00 pm at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge. > > Tom Hall - tenor and Bari saxes, voice, and boomerang > > If you come, please introduce yourself ... > > Also stick around after - I'm playing with Club d'Elf 9:30-1:30!! > > > thanks, > Tom Hall > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 01:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C78B63BEE4; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9.1a52b4de.31101c2d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:49:33 EST Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:49:38 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 1/30/06 2:25:41 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes: << I thought I saw that Edirol has a new portable out the R15(?) >> That must be the R09, my brain was doing a momentary mash-up. BobCo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 02:26:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2E03BEDA; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Y3o937M1uZnOr5g8s9ZMNqbaiQOJcMHL2YOZVRQ4Wo++QGUUnPHyuUvlG1sVkTpl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006123123411900@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: digest size Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:34:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ae5a9d14a764ee59bbe76ce9c8036627350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.243 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:26:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Kidz: Before I go switch to the digest format of Loopers' Delight, I'd like to know how big a file each digest is... 500K, maybe? Anything over that would be veeeeeeeery slooooow for me. Thanks, Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Kidz:
Before I go switch to the digest format of Loopers' Delight, I'd like to know how big a file each digest is... 500K, maybe? Anything over that would be veeeeeeeery slooooow for me.
Thanks,
Tim
 
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 05:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 646AC3BEDF; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:06:52 -0600 (CST) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hullo peeps! In-Reply-To: <003201c624de$9aaa0090$55476f58@Bert> Message-ID: References: <003201c624de$9aaa0090$55476f58@Bert> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Welcome back Stu! Andy in Paris On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hi all! >=20 > I've finally had ADSL installed, and have as from today re-subbed. Its be= en > a while! Sorry for my absence (I had my reasons) >=20 > During my time away from the looping community, there has been a lot of > progress in the direction of software live looping - which makes me very > happy! It allows for people like myself (with very little money) to creat= e > virtual studios with multiple EDP-like boxes, all synchronised - without > having to pay =A3600+ for separate units. Finally, live looping is availa= ble > to the masses! >=20 > I've just set up SooperLooper on my old ibook, and am having great fun wi= th > it! Pretty soon, I'll have my ultimate live looping environment setup: > Electric violins, Mandola, flutes, keyboard(s) and acoustic percussion, a= ll > going into a mini mixer, and then through to SooperLooper... Its going to= be > fun! >=20 > I'm now back online with http://swyatt.com with my full looping archive > available at http://swyatt.com/music.php - feel free to download/share/bu= rn > anything that takes your fancy. I sadly lost my old site solostring.com a > while back (to a spammy search engine company) - any links from your > personal sites would really help me get back up the google rankings (plus= I > would link back to your site from mine).... >=20 > Anyway guys... I'm back, active and just as opiniated and argumentative a= s > before :) >=20 > Its good to be back... >=20 > - Stuart Wyatt >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:04:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466173BEE2; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060130234433.01b053f8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:04:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative core In-Reply-To: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Yes, interesting project! I ask these questions in order to understand: 1. How much memory will be needed for the OS and SooperLooper? Any off-the-shelf daughter boards that could be used easily? 2. USB port for I/O or for memory (thumb drive)? Maybe two ports? 3. I think definitely split the UI from the engine and then use MIDI from the peripheral for the UI? Users understand MIDI so then you can put off having to write too much UI code and then having to port the UI code to different hardware, not mention not having to design the peripheral. Let users decide how they want to interface with the OpenLooper (with the appropriate documentation). This way drummers can easily use it, keyboard players or folks with their own custom MIDI devices. 4. If do #3 then trigger-to-MIDI converters are widespread; are MIDI to USB converters cheap? The business model for OpenLooper would depend on which license is used for the hardware, software and OS. LPL, BSD? In the worst case someone could still make a living putting together packages of hardware and software together with maintenance. Some folks will want to build, but most will want to buy The really nice thing about an OpenLooper project is that it gives loopers a chance to prototype new interfaces for looping and new kinds of looping. This is really exciting! Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com At 10:55 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote: >From: "AKA" > >Sure entirely feasable here is a possible scenario for an open source looper >system http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id= >Maybe use a modified version of SooperLooper you might have to >separate/remove the current UI code and add some hardware UI code. >So, lets see here are some boards that with some work might be able to >produce the desired results >http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=projects#hardware_projects >One could start out fresh and use libsndfile to build individual loop >functions being this is all based on Open Source/Hardware I suppose you >would have to sell it for labor fees being most of the above is GPLed. > >Fun Stuff >Hmm Open Looper....? > >From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] >128Mbyte RAM + USB port => Analog Device BLACKFIN DSP core ? > >if so, firmware "develooped" in C I suppose ... always so fast to start >such a project ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:15:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D66C33BEFE; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131000446.01b17a18@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:15:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Digital Recorders Was: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay In-Reply-To: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2aprlD.A.p9.Vyx3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:15:17 +0000 (UTC) >From: "Kris Hartung" >...I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz >portable solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 >and on a memory card... Yikes! Don't buy anything with the Marantz name on it! They have _terrible_ quality control problems! Your mileage may vary, but everyone I know who's bought Marantz stuff has had problems with it. For info on other solid-state recorders check out links to these blogs: NAMM: Edirol's R-09 -- SD-based, Portable USB Recorder http://www.createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1130&Itemid=44 Which Portable Recorder to Buy? http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=723&Itemid=44 On-the-move recording: Some cheap/ugly alternatives? http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/09/on-move-recording-some-cheapugly.html These being blogs, you need to follow all the links and read all the comments but you knew that, didn't you? ;-) Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6FE13BEF9; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131001924.01bcfec0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:22:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? In-Reply-To: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <6WRuUD.A.jKB.E5x3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:22:28 +0000 (UTC) >From: Tom Ritchford >As I said, if Behringer copied the Looperlative's software, it would >be a copyright violation. There isn't much preventing them from >copying the hardware except conceivably patents. There's not much preventing Behringer from copying the necessary subset of ideas in the Looperlative software, Tom. Behringer doesn't have to copy the software bit-by-bit. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8CEC3BEF3; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TFN3WPhC1we0tmAWG4jy2ayF9SX38uC23Wiq1cVSAPwgoidCQicNpGodd5kqZtBfXRKaElQlEbjJe3OSEyjaBJaS7joMiQsu8SVTljZ+x4z+lGfJlIBkp+NkMH+ZbH+FRucYrW6qBzA2Z9m8obIsatB+Xs1gbS/w4eUj526y8yI= ; Message-ID: <007401c62641$d4f6ed80$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: Subject: OT: new Battery Operable MIDI Footcontroller Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:39:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Slightly OT but perhaps a good controller for you looper? http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2684 Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! 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Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:49:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012413BEF8; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007401c62641$d4f6ed80$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <007401c62641$d4f6ed80$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <97050A7D-AF2C-4101-8D3C-5B6E83971797@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: new Battery Operable MIDI Footcontroller Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:49:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:49:50 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jan 2006, at 09.39, Ben wrote: > Slightly OT but perhaps a good controller for you looper? > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2684 > > Ben Cute thing! Even though the web page doesn't spell it out explicitly I'm under the presumption that it does only send MIDI Program Change messages? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:55:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADC953BEF0; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: MIDI Moose (was new Battery Operable MIDI Footcontroller) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:55:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <97050A7D-AF2C-4101-8D3C-5B6E83971797@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcYmQ0Pffu6f4vXRRVCG7UW7J07VMwAAKtCQ Message-Id: <20060131085229.UBGX20050.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <3ywjqC.A.BNC.FYy3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Looks like a bigger version of the Mouse with presets. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 08:55:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 027063BF07; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060131005800.0acced68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:58:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: digest size In-Reply-To: <410-22006123123411900@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006123123411900@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_s1YrB.A.2QC.MYy3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:40 +0000 (UTC) At 06:34 PM 1/30/2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >Before I go switch to the digest format of Loopers' Delight, I'd like to >know how big a file each digest is... 500K, maybe? Anything over that >would be veeeeeeeery slooooow for me. around 32KB. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 09:35:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FCE63BF00; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131001924.01bcfec0@TheNettles.com> References: <20060130185524.266043BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060131001924.01bcfec0@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:35:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <-wzzjC.A.kuD.q9y3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:35:39 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:22 AM, Kevin wrote: > There's not much preventing Behringer from copying the necessary > subset of ideas in the Looperlative software, Tom. Behringer doesn't > have to copy the software bit-by-bit. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com no but behringer would never copy bob's looper. they only clone stuff made by other manufacturers who outsource production to china. some of them (like Mackie) even have QC which rivals behringer's own "take a glance at it and scoop them into the shipping container with an end-loader" approach. the looperlative is american-made, and therefore will never be cloned. other products they don't clone for the same reason are neve mic pres (okay, that's the UK ... same idea though) and dangerous music 2-bus summing mixers. however, i hear Uli has designed a new inductor on a chip which will allow him to make pultec eq clones for 10 dollars apiece ... so i think the market on those is going to drop out soon. this new chip inductor is a design milestone considering it's their first own part fabrication since they glued motors onto discounted Alpha pots for their motorised fader bank. there's also the issue of ludicrously narrow market appeal which would preclude this, which i'd like to point out as the actual primary reason. --- stg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 09:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A7A43BEFE; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060131011824.052512b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:45:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Looperlative - Max Time? In-Reply-To: <20060130124350.95FDB3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <43DDE95E.2080003@addcom.de> <20060130124350.95FDB3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:41:56 +0000 (UTC) At 04:43 AM 1/30/2006, mrweasel wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: > > And I agree with Rick, when people use loop time as some measure of > > goodness for a looper, I'm baffled. What would you do with all this > > loop time? If any of you are planning to do a show where you make 10 > > minute long loops, please don't invite me! > >And by the way. It's not about making 10 minute long loops. You just seem to >miss the point. yeah, I'm kinda dumb about all this looping stuff. So can you explain what your point is then? Cause I've apparently missed it in the few posts you made on this topic. I saw that you criticized the Looperlative because its 466 seconds of stereo loop time is not enough for you. But you never explained what it is you would be doing with the Looperlative that would use up all that time. So how about if you walk me through your looping process and show me exactly what it is you would do that would use up all 466 seconds? I would be really interested to know. And try to remember that the Looperlative has little in common with a Repeater or an Echoplex, so try to stick to the functions and features that the Looperlative actually has. thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 10:57:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 412FA3BEE4; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1138705050!39365895!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8D62@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this before?) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:57:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C62655.1D4F26C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:57:43 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62655.1D4F26C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Sounds like auto-plunderphonics!<< one such piece featuring accidental repeaterage is in fact called "jacquesfolded" for this very reason. :-) d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62655.1D4F26C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater with Stylus (why didn't I think of this = before?)

>>Sounds like = auto-plunderphonics!<<

one such piece featuring accidental repeaterage is in = fact called "jacquesfolded" for this very reason. :-)

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C62655.1D4F26C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 12:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9CC13BED2; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYmYDZIs/h+KYOkTfqAFwHBPLWERQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:16:51 +0000 (UTC) I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: http://www.myspace.com/veloopity If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please visit the page anyway! The four tracks on my page are: 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that = some people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' (Bernhard W=F6stheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch = guitar, Tim Bowness: vocals) 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape = Veloopity' album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop = Delay 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium music Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 12:52:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04BB33BEE6; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sA8HFeO3qUlIhk3vqnYdncCeAJQWHNqZ0LDvP5nDK7hAsqOEhA9WhsDLtXh5BZB2Hx0SpCHdlsMqgUANnNAnZpAfokUP+GNgZ1ViuW78pjzxX6Ij+qyQz5nVD4U2xNmqSijxYQJzMXV2emCeyk76q4VAe9qhInONQCwc2voQBSU= ; Message-ID: <20060131125234.97649.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:52:34 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Digital Recorders Was: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131000446.01b17a18@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Not to my experience the Marantz CDR300 is really well made and never had one problem with it,but is time for a laptop for me cheers Luis > > Yikes! Don't buy anything with the Marantz name on > it! They have > _terrible_ quality control problems! Your mileage > may vary, but > everyone I know who's bought Marantz stuff has had > problems with it. > > For info on other solid-state recorders check out > links to these blogs: > > NAMM: Edirol's R-09 -- SD-based, Portable USB > Recorder > http://www.createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1130&Itemid=44 > > Which Portable Recorder to Buy? > http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=723&Itemid=44 > > On-the-move recording: Some cheap/ugly alternatives? > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/09/on-move-recording-some-cheapugly.html > > These being blogs, you need to follow all the links > and read all the > comments but you knew that, didn't you? ;-) > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 13:43:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE543BEE1; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-pair-Authenticated: 67.87.79.235 From: "AKA" To: Subject: RE: Looperlative core Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:43:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060130234433.01b053f8@TheNettles.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYmPOUW9xASe0uISoC2E3kxY8Jj+QALD0mg Message-Id: <20060131134335.CD20B3BEC5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:43:36 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looperlative core Yes, interesting project! I ask these questions in order to understand: 1. How much memory will be needed for the OS and SooperLooper? Any off-the-shelf daughter boards that could be used easily? ********************* *** say $300-$500 plus your labor less if you actually soldered some of the components yourself(soldering SMT/SMD takes some skill though) . Main board, Audio board daughter board, CF/IDE daugter board, power supply... *** shop smart and *** Haven't got all the details yet but, working on assembling all the needed information. 2. USB port for I/O or for memory (thumb drive)? Maybe two ports? ********************* *** I think a number of these main boards come with ethernet ports so, why bother with USB. USB is still an option if desired.... 3. I think definitely split the UI from the engine and then use MIDI from the peripheral for the UI? Users understand MIDI so then you can put off having to write too much UI code and then having to port the UI code to different hardware, not mention not having to design the peripheral. Let users decide how they want to interface with the OpenLooper (with the appropriate documentation). This way drummers can easily use it, keyboard players or folks with their own custom MIDI devices. ********************** *** http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ *** Looking at the Sooperlooper page it seems this can/has been done haven't confirmed it myself. *** I was thinking of implementing the UI in hardware there are a few embedded UI's out there already. 4. If do #3 then trigger-to-MIDI converters are widespread; are MIDI to USB converters cheap? ********************** *** I don't think they are that expensive but, I haven't looked at all the details myself *** I have seen a com port to MIDI convertor http://www.gweep.net/~shifty/ezkit/connections.html *** Read through the link above...... The business model for OpenLooper would depend on which license is used for the hardware, software and OS. LPL, BSD? In the worst case someone could still make a living putting together packages of hardware and software together with maintenance. Some folks will want to build, but most will want to buy The really nice thing about an OpenLooper project is that it gives loopers a chance to prototype new interfaces for looping and new kinds of looping. This is really exciting! Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com *************************************** *** I figured on using as much existing Open Source/Freeware already so, yes one could make money on ones skills and/or knowledge but, the software/hardware is owned by someone else. It is more a point of honor that one acknowlege the originators of the individual packages and just make money assembling and configuring.... The links below are the best starting point for such an idea or search on blackfin for more..... At 10:55 AM 1/30/2006, you wrote: >From: "AKA" Sure entirely feasable here is a possible scenario for an open source looper system http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id= Maybe use a modified version of SooperLooper you might have to separate/remove the current UI code and add some hardware UI code. So, lets see here are some boards that with some work might be able to produce the desired results http://docs.blackfin.uclinux.org/doku.php?id=projects#hardware_projects One could start out fresh and use libsndfile to build individual loop functions being this is all based on Open Source/Hardware I suppose you would have to sell it for labor fees being most of the above is GPLed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 590243BEF0; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:08:07 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looperlative Patents To: Message-id: <001001c6266f$c3508fe0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060129200454.B01F83BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060129125437.01b08bc8@TheNettles.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060129133843.04e4f520@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Hmm... Kim - you make a compelling case for buying one of these bad boys QUICKLY! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Looperlative Too Expensive? > At 01:03 PM 1/29/2006, Kevin wrote: > >>Tom Ritchford wrote: > >>>>If I was Bob, at this price point I would be worried about a pirate > >>>>like Behringer moving in. > >>>the advantage to a heavily-software item like the looperlative is that > >>>Behringer would have to copy the software. That would be hard to do > >>>without making it provably a copyright violation (rather than just a > >>>clone...) > > > >Allow me to correct a possible misperception here about intellectual > >property (IP) law. Patents protect ideas, copyright protects the > >expression of those ideas. I can copy an idea if there is no patent > >protecting it. Copyright does not protect ideas. If I rip a copy of the > >firmware from a product and then put that in my product I am violating > >copyright or possibly the product license. A product license is a > >contract between the seller and the buyer. > > > >So provided that the ideas in the EDP were not protected by patent, > >Behringer could copy all the ideas, except possibly the user > >interface. Under US patent law, if an idea hasn't been patented within a > >year of the idea being made publicly available, then it can't be patented. > > Interestingly, while many basic ideas about looping are not patented, > multi-track looping and some methods for implementing and controlling > multi-track loopers are patented. > > Electrix ran into trouble with this for the Repeater. > > I'm curious to know how some of these multi-track looper products (both > hardware and software) and their respective developers are dealing with > those patents. Are they making specific design choices to avoid infringing > the patents? Are they licensing the technology from the original inventor? > Or are they unaware of the patents and just running blind into a big problem? > > My guess is the latter... > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:04:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB153BEDD; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:05:49 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Patent law In-reply-to: <006901c625e8$1476acc0$b716fea9@nenufar> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: 'Emmanuel PERILLE' Message-id: <000a01c6266f$71016520$0402a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Wow, do I feel dumb. That thing is like Greek to me. I guess it must be some combination of the requirements of the patent application and the desire to be as broad as possible in the claims that makes these things so hard to read. If I were to just read the abstract, I would guess that this is about "manually"-controlled "scratching" or "scrubbing" of audio buffers for playback, like you would have with a digital turntablist. But the body of the application seems to touch on so many areas that it casts my interpretation of the abstract into doubt. Emmanuel, I know that the patent is the legally binding document and that nothing that you would say here could *change* the meaning of the written word, but if you would care to clarify for dummies like me just what it is that's being patented here, I think I wouldn't be the only one who would appreciate it. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel PERILLE [mailto:perille@club-internet.fr] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Patent law > > > DJRND3 DJ looper Patent Publication Number: 20030171933 at > www.uspto.gov > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:23 PM > Subject: Patent law > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a patent a > > protection of an idea's implementation and not an > > idea? Like for instance I couldn't patent "car break" > > but I could patent a new technology I developed to > > break a car... So if the Repeater (or any Looper) > > implemented time stretching of audio USING someone > > else's circuit design and code, they'd be in trouble. > > However if they developed a new way of doing it, > > they're in the clear. I have to think it's got to be > > like this or how could Microsoft make Windows... or > > Apple make it's OS after looking at Zerox's computer > > GUI? You can't patent "clicking on an icon brings up > > a graphical representation of a window" but you can > > patent the code you use to implement it. Am I totally > > off here? > > > > Mark > > > > --- jeff larson wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > > > > Interesting. Can you give me any hints as to where > > > I might find the > > > patent > > > > info? > > > > > > Mr. Perille was kind enough to send me this URL: > > > > > > > > > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1 > > &u > > > > > > =%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=p > > er > > > ille.IN.&OS=IN/perille&RS=IN/perille > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:08:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828CF3BF04; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:15:27 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Looperlative Q&A Forum To: Message-id: <002101c62670$c99c63a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <-NE9U.A.G6G.0923DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:08:52 +0000 (UTC) FYI - There is a forum created that is designed specifically to answer questions about the Looperlative. http://www.looperlative.com/forum/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7816F3BEF3; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a5701c62673$778a3a80$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:34:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 457, in=207778, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:34:42 +0000 (UTC) And you have one of my favorite songs (Stretched Landscape) of yours there, Michael! By the way, how to you get the audi player on your page? I'm on Myspace too, but I couldn't figure out how to do this. So, I basically built my own HTML page using the code. http://www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Myspace.com I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: http://www.myspace.com/veloopity If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please visit the page anyway! The four tracks on my page are: 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that some people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' (Bernhard Wöstheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch guitar, Tim Bowness: vocals) 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape Veloopity' album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop Delay 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium music Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:50:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5D83BF00; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a6c01c62675$b3a01600$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:50:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=223158, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Never mind...I was not signed up as an artist. I'll add you to my friends network, as soon as I setup my new account. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Myspace.com I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: http://www.myspace.com/veloopity If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please visit the page anyway! The four tracks on my page are: 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that some people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' (Bernhard Wöstheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch guitar, Tim Bowness: vocals) 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape Veloopity' album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop Delay 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium music Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 14:56:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4E13BF02; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <24228048.1138719366263.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:56:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: digest size Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your quick and helpful reply, Kim. How do I go about making this change? (No, it's not as common as someone just e-mailing "unsubscribe" to the entire group (LOL) ;-) ;-) ;-) Gracias, Tim www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Jan 31, 2006 3:58 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: digest size > >At 06:34 PM 1/30/2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >>Before I go switch to the digest format of Loopers' Delight, I'd like to >>know how big a file each digest is... 500K, maybe? Anything over that >>would be veeeeeeeery slooooow for me. > >around 32KB. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 15:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7054A3BEF3; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c62678$acf8df00$6401a8c0@charles2> From: "Charles Winters" To: References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:11:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-hjztD.A.eEB.9433DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Nice myspace site, Michael. Rain of Grains is my hands down favorite of the featured tunes. I also like the pic of yourself speaking from behind a desk, dispensing wisdom to the masses I imagine, very clever. When my son John started up his myspace site a year ago, I thought it was a flaky substitute for a real website with his own domain name. Myspace was obviously inhabited by teenagers looking for a free public outlet for their fantasies. In a year's time its grown immensely, 50 million young people still looking for social interaction, but its also become de rigueur for established musicians, or at least those hip enough to recognize a viable public forum for their music. I'm amazed at how many professional musicians of the older generation don't have any dedicated web presence at all. - CW http://www.johnwinters.biz/ http://www.myspace.com/johnwinters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:16 AM Subject: Re: Myspace.com I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: http://www.myspace.com/veloopity If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please visit the page anyway! The four tracks on my page are: 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that some people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' (Bernhard Wöstheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch guitar, Tim Bowness: vocals) 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape Veloopity' album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop Delay 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium music Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 15:45:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FC73BF04; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:42:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:45:22 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jan 2006, at 13.16, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.myspace.com/veloopity Nice site and good music! I remember Stretched Landscapes, a fav of mine from your old site. Howerver, on this site only the tune Ten Versions of America played back through the player. If I picked a different tune it was indicated as loaded into the player but playback never started. I'm on OS X with Firefox 1.5. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 16:11:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F6103BF07; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:10:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Myspace.com From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Myspace.com Thread-Index: AcYmgOgzJoamGpJ0EdqN1QAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <0a5701c62673$778a3a80$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Interesting. I can only get ten versions to play as well... The others, simply don't load. T. On 1/31/06 9:34 AM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > And you have one of my favorite songs (Stretched Landscape) of yours ther= e, > Michael! >=20 > By the way, how to you get the audi player on your page? I'm on Myspace t= oo, > but I couldn't figure out how to do this. So, I basically built my own HT= ML > page using the code. http://www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Peters" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: Myspace.com >=20 >=20 > I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: >=20 > http://www.myspace.com/veloopity >=20 > If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please > visit the page anyway! >=20 > The four tracks on my page are: >=20 >=20 > 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that s= ome > people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone >=20 > 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' > (Bernhard W=F6stheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch guita= r, > Tim Bowness: vocals) >=20 > 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape Veloopit= y' > album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop De= lay >=20 > 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium > music >=20 >=20 > Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! >=20 > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 16:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4213BEFA; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060131084238.01b21858@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:59:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Looperlative core In-Reply-To: <20060131140450.C472F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060131140450.C472F3BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:59:08 +0000 (UTC) >From: "AKA" >Yes, interesting project! Please keep me informed of how it works out for you. Are you going to post your project on the web? Replies below. >1. How much memory will be needed for the OS and SooperLooper? Any >off-the-shelf daughter boards that could be used easily? >********************* >*** say $300-$500 plus your labor less if you actually soldered some of the >components yourself(soldering SMT/SMD takes some skill though) . Main board, >Audio board daughter board, CF/IDE daugter board, power supply... >*** shop smart and >*** Haven't got all the details yet but, working on assembling all the >needed information. So assuming shop fees of, say, $80/hour, once things were underway and you were making one a day, the price would be around $1000, wouldn't it? Is that taking into account how much memory ucLinux, JACK and theSooperLooper are going to take plus the memory for the loops? I think that you may need another memory board just to store the loops. >*** I think a number of these main boards come with ethernet ports so, why >bother with USB. USB is still an option if desired.... >... > *** I was thinking of implementing the UI in hardware there are a few >embedded UI's out there already. I was thinking about the input controllers. How would you hook a hardware controller as an input to the ethernet port? Isn't an ethernet-out input device going to be kind of pricey? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 17:46:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C861B3BEFA; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0aba01c6268e$40696ba0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <079301c625af$27aa1400$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <26ba8d120601301135i237cf6e4n8b032128c741118c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:46:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 459, in=223408, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Tom, did you buy this unit? http://www.maudio.net/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html The more I read this, the more I like it. It doesn't have XLR, but it does have 1/4 inch TSR (balanced)...that does the trick for me. And it is much smaller than the Marantz and Roland units. It is cheaper too. With a 2gig compact flash card, you could record a lot of music on this little thing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay I have the M-Audio, which also looks good, on order. I went for the M over the Edirol for two reasons: coax digital input and size. On 1/30/06, William Walker wrote: > The new stereo recorder from Roland looks great, records to CFC or CD, in > non compressed wave files and has a couple of decent mic preamos as well. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Alesis Masterlink on Sales via eBay > > > Now that I'm on my gear selling craze, I'm selling my Alesis Masterlink > hardrive recorder on ebay as well. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7386494367&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > This is the same unit that I used to record many of the Y2K5 performances, > many of the tracks on my prior CDs, including Xperimentus. I love the > unit, > but I'm looking for something more portable, proably the Marantz portable > solid state recorder that can record directly to wav or MP3 and on a > memory > card. This will benefit all of you who play at Y2K6, because I won't have > that 5.5 hour space limitation on the Alesis, in between burning the > material to redbook CD-R on the unit. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartung > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Text message me at 2087245603@cingularME.com > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 17:57:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6BD03BEF3; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0acc01c6268f$d390aa50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:57:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 122, in=74282, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, but I can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could be a decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 18:07:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 862EE3BEF8; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ae901c62691$2f9c8ca0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Myspace.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:07:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=223426, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7CJvSD.A.NSG.fd63DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Just browsing Myspace and found some familar loopers: http://www.myspace.com/gohnakamura http://www.myspace.com/timmungenast http://www.myspace.com/jamessidlo http://www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Myspace.com I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: http://www.myspace.com/veloopity If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please visit the page anyway! The four tracks on my page are: 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that some people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' (Bernhard Wöstheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch guitar, Tim Bowness: vocals) 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape Veloopity' album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop Delay 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium music Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 19:24:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0D93BEFE; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YdU6fjkNOkKKhwnCLlUdJPa2q4fxB6ogcqxti2JKi0oLycb4vZVBAIj2KpLzujP6R/0uSm2T6EoGVqb1f7GPJkKfhbbwyVsyjBd49M0gJ9LI6yjF9wlzzEwXke91kRBg6LkmMq/NIe5eY6rXFyLRvqn/T5E4kciLwO4QfNO0NcM= ; Message-ID: <20060131192103.42157.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:21:03 -0800 (PST) From: r i c k m o n d Reply-To: rcw@midwickhill.com Subject: Re: splitting your guitar signal - mixer routing or ...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060130220853.89401.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:24:28 +0000 (UTC) hmm thanks for the tips. i THINK i get it. if i'm using a passive DI box that outputs mic level i'd probably want to use something else? i greatly appreciate the suggestions - all this +4/-10db active/passive stuff is still a little bit confusing at this stage. given the toys listed below, what would you guys do to get the best possible signal/noise ratio from a typical passive-pickup electric guitar? 1. radial pro passive DI box 2. rolls red square "exciter" (an active DI) 3. two art tube mp preamps - (toyed with the idea of splitting into the two pre's and bumping the gain but wondering if that might unnecessarily complicate/color the sound) 4. mackie 2408 mixer 5. pod xt i was going to use the pod just before the recording interface as the virtual 'amp' but if getting a clean line level signal is the way to go maybe i should just use it to split the mono guitar signal into the two echoplexes. thanks again, you guys rule. --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, putting your guitar into some sort of stereo > processor is the way to go, you'll get much better > results, also when you turn a signal into a line > level > (as these usually do) you'll be less apt to pick up > noise along the way. > > Mark > > --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > Personally, I run my bass into a Lexicon MPX G2 > and > > then take the stereo > > output from that. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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----Xu6CWtD8rzBNymu-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 20:08:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EAC73BEFA; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:11:37 -0800 From: Bob Amstadt To: rcw@midwickhill.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: splitting your guitar signal - mixer routing or ...? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060131192103.42157.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060131192103.42157.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:08:35 +0000 (UTC) > i greatly appreciate the suggestions - all this > +4/-10db active/passive stuff is still a little bit > confusing at this stage. Yea, I hear you. It is tricky. Here are my thoughts: 1. Avoid a passive DI. You really want a line level output before splitting. 2. Not familiar with the Rolls Red Square, but an active DI would be fine. 3. Two tube preamps? That isn't necessary. A single Tube MP with a Y-cable on the output would be sufficient. I have a Presonus Blue Tube which is very similar and you can get a good guitar tone out of these. 4. Mackie mixer would do the job, but would be much larger than the other solutions and more expensive. 5. Pod XT would be fine. The thing to do is examine how much money you want to spend and what features you need to get out of your setup. Then choose the solution that best matches your needs and price range. You have mentioned several good solutions. You just need to pick the one that works best for you. Best of luck, Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 21:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074DD3BF0A; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q6PrYXn17OC585E1QnwJmMq/2Xu+rxOth0FFDAqsJqU9e/jNslgQl8jHDOXGRlZSaQPIXlzv7afb0W+NertoMg8/u/EL8aed03HRd9JlBOl+B7ciJXt5/OdrUghwaFmvtVDlE1BJzgq5hLvd4tH0ZDNhxbiAzI5t43pTqOf1y6E= Message-ID: <64b81a780601311342g593b4cfaubc895e74c7fdaf3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:42:49 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? In-Reply-To: <0acc01c6268f$d390aa50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0acc01c6268f$d390aa50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Kris, It's not half-space, but I can recommend the Carvin DCM150.=20 Single-space, 75W per channel stereo, 150W bridged mono. Sounds phenomenal. I love mine. I run mine through a pair of Carvin's 805 Club Speakers. The whole system costs about the same as a low-end guitar amp (just over $500) but you get full stereo and pristine sound quality. Just an idea, Todd On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, bu= t I > can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could be = a > decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 21:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589B13BF08; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b3401c626b0$6f31c4b0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0acc01c6268f$d390aa50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780601311342g593b4cfaubc895e74c7fdaf3a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:51:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=223649, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4YsWW.A.L2F.Mv93DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:51:09 +0000 (UTC) I'll check it out...for single spaces, I've been lusting over the Mesa Boogie 20/20 dynawatt amp as well. I may have to just break down and get a used on on eBay. One would be great for the new jazz setup I'm building. I still have my 1X12 ported cabs from my jazz rig four years ago, one loaded with a JBL and the other a an EV....very, very clean system. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Kris, It's not half-space, but I can recommend the Carvin DCM150. Single-space, 75W per channel stereo, 150W bridged mono. Sounds phenomenal. I love mine. I run mine through a pair of Carvin's 805 Club Speakers. The whole system costs about the same as a low-end guitar amp (just over $500) but you get full stereo and pristine sound quality. Just an idea, Todd On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, but > I > can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could be a > decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 22:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69A5D3BF0A; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pYleNXMHRnli0whozJg8IuVxT1hIv8PFiRU/B/jM5BQ7V2a+L8m+jvIhXuspivPUKssBEXL0K8EbtEyCcpKrFdBtpfjkm24YA7iPf1AjWf6Owzahrx0Iq0XJR2CyFWrzMMh2hLXsHJjHG1BvswS6BllITKaqZ5nCW5SzWe6jfEc= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730601311410k76835489vd4b29fd5f520dbfc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:10:54 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Myspace.com In-Reply-To: <0ae901c62691$2f9c8ca0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28331_16766071.1138745454652" References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <0ae901c62691$2f9c8ca0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2QPpJD.A.hyG.wB-3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28331_16766071.1138745454652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline When MySpace isn't suffering some sort of technical issue, I quite enjoy visiting the looping community. Send me a friend request if you have a chance! http://www.myspace.com/clintallen On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Just browsing Myspace and found some familar loopers: > > http://www.myspace.com/gohnakamura > http://www.myspace.com/timmungenast > http://www.myspace.com/jamessidlo > http://www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Peters" > To: "Loopers Delight" > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: Myspace.com > > > I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday: > > http://www.myspace.com/veloopity > > If you're on myspace also, please let's be friends! :-) if not, please > visit the page anyway! > > The four tracks on my page are: > > > 1. an excerpt of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that > some > people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone > > 2. my granular synthesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America' > (Bernhard W=F6stheinrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch > guitar, > Tim Bowness: vocals) > > 3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape > Veloopity' > album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Paradis Loop > Delay > > 4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's ambient harmonium > music > > > Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback! > > Michael > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > ------=_Part_28331_16766071.1138745454652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
When MySpace isn't suffering some sort of technical issue, I quite enj= oy visiting the looping community. Send me a friend request if you have a c= hance!
 
On 1/31/06, = Kris Hartung <khartung@cabl= eone.net> wrote:
Just browsing Myspace and found = some familar loopers:

http://www.myspace.com/gohnakamura
http://www.myspace.com/timmungenast
http://www.myspace.com/jamessidlo
http://www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson

----- Original Messag= e -----
From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>
To: "Loopers Delight" < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2= 006 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: Myspace.com<= br>

I've set up a simple Myspace page yesterday:

http://www.myspace.com/veloopity

If you're on myspace also, plea= se let's be friends!  :-)  if not, please
visit the = page anyway!

The four tracks on my page are:


1. an excerp= t of the ambient 1-hour-piece "Stretched Landscape #1" that some
people might have heard on SomaFM Drone Zone

2. my granular synt= hesis remix of Centrozoon's 'Ten Versions of America'
(Bernhard W=F6sthe= inrich: electronic percussion, Markus Reuter: touch guitar,
Tim Bowness:= vocals)

3. the very etherial ambient 'Dawn of Life' from my 1998 'Escape Ve= loopity'
album - all sounds produced on sustainer guitar, EDP, and Parad= is Loop Delay

4. my granular synthesis remix of Christopher Orczy's = ambient harmonium
music


Of course I'd be delighted to get some feedback!
Michael
www.michaelpeters.de




------=_Part_28331_16766071.1138745454652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 22:32:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8493BF07; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <00ee01c62660$36f6d5e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <628B0733-37D7-4D6B-A2CD-CE05008591E3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Quick shortlist on Augustus Loop in Ableton Live Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:32:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Please allow me to cross post these hot tips for looping with the OS X plug-in Augustus Loop in Ableton Live (from the Live forum): > Try setting up MIDI clips that send notes for sequences of pitch > transposition! Look into the Augustus manual for the correct note > numbers etc and set the MIDI track output to the audio track > hosting Augustus. It's difficult to find musical use for scales but > rhythmic juming up and down over the avaiabl three octaves is very > cool. Try to feed augustus with this pitch controller data while > you overdub audio into the loop! > > You may also assign a pedal to Augustus "Tap Rec" button as well as > the "Freeze" button. With correct setting of the "Punch In" and > "Punch Out" values the Input will go down to zero after punching > out and go back to ten when you punch in. The loop will still be in > "Overdub Mode" while the input is turned down, so it will get > mangled if you fiddle with the Transpose Pitch. To prevent that you > can Freeze the loop. > > It's also cool to have the option of changing the Beat Divisor > value while playing. > > Assign a MIDI expression pedal to Agusustus "Master Feedback". > > Remember to increase the Max Delay value a bit if you get bad sound > quality on longer loops. > > If you don't need the INertia noise effect, turn it off. I hope someone may find this shortlist useful. It took some time to find out about it ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 22:47:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5913F3BF06; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: mmccabe@finleysound.com via o13.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.08843 secs) Message-ID: <1397.134.186.144.178.1138747683.squirrel@www.finleysound.com> In-Reply-To: <0b3401c626b0$6f31c4b0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0acc01c6268f$d390aa50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780601311342g593b4cfaubc895e74c7fdaf3a@mail.gmail.com> <0b3401c626b0$6f31c4b0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? From: mmccabe@finleysound.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2Bi8dB.A.42H.Zk-3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:47:53 +0000 (UTC) The Mesa Boogie 20/20 is a great amp. I don't know what it is about those EL84 tubes, but man, I love the way they sound. My only complaint is that the cooling fan is a little loud. Years ago, I remember seeing a half-rack amp in Musicians Friend. I think the manufacturer was Stewart. Sorry, I don't remember any more details. Matt -- www.kingnever.com On Tue, January 31, 2006 1:51 pm, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'll check it out...for single spaces, I've been lusting over the Mesa > Boogie 20/20 dynawatt amp as well. I may have to just break down and get a > used on on eBay. One would be great for the new jazz setup I'm building. I > still have my 1X12 ported cabs from my jazz rig four years ago, one loaded > with a JBL and the other a an EV....very, very clean system. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Pafford" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > > > Kris, > > It's not half-space, but I can recommend the Carvin DCM150. > Single-space, 75W per channel stereo, 150W bridged mono. Sounds > phenomenal. I love mine. I run mine through a pair of Carvin's 805 > Club Speakers. The whole system costs about the same as a low-end > guitar amp (just over $500) but you get full stereo and pristine sound > quality. > > Just an idea, > Todd > > On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >> Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, >> but >> I >> can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could be >> a >> decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 31 22:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1152F3BF07; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b9201c626b9$d21255a0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0acc01c6268f$d390aa50$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780601311342g593b4cfaubc895e74c7fdaf3a@mail.gmail.com> <0b3401c626b0$6f31c4b0$5eb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1397.134.186.144.178.1138747683.squirrel@www.finleysound.com> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:58:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 460, in=223734, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6PBJMD.A.vO.Pu-3DB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Stewart...that's it. Thanks. Bet it sounds like dog doodoo compared to that Boogie. ;) http://www.stewartaudio.com/halfRackSeries.html (what kind of output connectios are those?! Crimeny. That won't work) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? > The Mesa Boogie 20/20 is a great amp. I don't know what it is about those > EL84 tubes, but man, I love the way they sound. My only complaint is that > the cooling fan is a little loud. > > Years ago, I remember seeing a half-rack amp in Musicians Friend. I think > the manufacturer was Stewart. Sorry, I don't remember any more details. > > Matt > > -- > www.kingnever.com > > On Tue, January 31, 2006 1:51 pm, Kris Hartung wrote: >> I'll check it out...for single spaces, I've been lusting over the Mesa >> Boogie 20/20 dynawatt amp as well. I may have to just break down and get >> a >> used on on eBay. One would be great for the new jazz setup I'm building. >> I >> still have my 1X12 ported cabs from my jazz rig four years ago, one >> loaded >> with a JBL and the other a an EV....very, very clean system. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Todd Pafford" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:42 PM >> Subject: Re: Half Space Guitar Power Amps? >> >> >> Kris, >> >> It's not half-space, but I can recommend the Carvin DCM150. >> Single-space, 75W per channel stereo, 150W bridged mono. Sounds >> phenomenal. I love mine. I run mine through a pair of Carvin's 805 >> Club Speakers. The whole system costs about the same as a low-end >> guitar amp (just over $500) but you get full stereo and pristine sound >> quality. >> >> Just an idea, >> Todd >> >> On 1/31/06, Kris Hartung wrote: >>> Anyone know of a decent half space guitar power amp? Preferrably tube, >>> but >>> I >>> can deal with SS. It doesn't have to be for guitar only either..could be >>> a >>> decent reference amp with a flat frequency response. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > >